[Pre-Meeting 5:30 p.m.] [00:24:13] MONEY WISE IS ATTORNEY'S FEES, RIGHT? IF THEY HAD INCURRED ATTORNEY'S FEES REQUIRING THAT A [00:24:19] PUBLIC BODY DO SOMETHING THAT IT SHOULD HAVE DONE UNDER OBAMA, THEN THE COURT CAN AWARD BEING [00:24:26] REIMBURSED THOSE ATTORNEY'S FEES. BUT OF COURSE. OH, AND THERE IS ONE LAST PENALTY THERE. [00:24:38] WHERE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PREDETERMINE PUBLIC BODY ACTION, WHICH OF COURSE WOULD GO AGAINST [00:24:45] THE WHOLE SPIRIT OF OBAMA, RIGHT? THE WHOLE IDEA OF OBAMA IS THE CITY'S BUSINESS IS DONE IN THE PUBLIC, NOT IN SOME OTHER ROOM THAT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT BEFORE THE MEETING. IT SHOULD ALL BE DONE HERE. THAT'S WHY, ESPECIALLY FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION, I THINK ONE OF THE [00:25:03] BIGGEST CHALLENGES YOU DO HAVE SOMETIMES IS THERE'S AN ITEM SPECIFICALLY ON THE AGENDA, AND SOMEBODY SEES YOU IN, YOU KNOW, IN SOME STORE AND THEY ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE PLANNING, THE ITEM ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA. THAT'S A COUPLE OF DAYS AWAY. WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THAT HAPPENED? YOU'RE AT WALMART OR OR SOME PLACE AND SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THAT THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON TUESDAY, THAT AGENDA ITEM ABOUT SUCH AND SUCH A SUBDIVISION OR SITE PLAN. WHAT SHOULD YOU DO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM? INVITE THEM TO THE MEETING. AMEN. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY IS DONE, RIGHT. IT'S NOT DONE AT WALMART OR OR AT SMITH AND EDWARDS OR A GAS STATION. IT'S DONE HERE IN THIS MEETING AT THE SPECIFIC TIME. AND THAT'S REALLY THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE IT. CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT HERE. I'D LOVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT DURING THE OPEN MEETING WITH EVERYONE ELSE, SO THAT THEY CAN ALL HEAR YOUR COMMENTS AND SO FORTH. SO. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU GOT? THANK YOU FOR KEEPING IT SHORT. YOU BET. OH, AND I WAS GOING TO ADD ONE LAST THING THAT YOU GOT TWO MINUTES. THE PURPOSE OF OPEN AND PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT IS, IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT. RIGHT. AND YOU HEAR THE REPRESENTATIVES, UNLIKE A PURE DEMOCRACY WHERE EVERYBODY PARTICIPATES HERE, ONLY THE REPRESENTATIVES DO. AND THEN YOU JUST GET TO LISTEN TO THEM. SO FOR EXTRA CREDIT, WHAT'S THAT FORM OF GOVERNMENT CALLED A DEMOCRACY? HE TOLD ME TO SAY THAT. WELL, YOU'LL BE REMINDED AGAIN WHEN WE DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. MAYBE YOU'LL REMEMBER. THAT. THAT. THANKS. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THAT ONE WAS FOR YOU, DUNCAN. JAMISON. REPUBLIC. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD INFORMATION. OKAY. WE'RE READY TO START. WELCOME, EVERYBODY. TO THE WEST [GENERAL MEETING 6:00 p.m.] JORDAN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR JANUARY 21ST, 2025. ALL PRESENT WITH THE [Business Items] EXCEPTION OF COMMISSIONER HATCH. SHE HAS BEEN EXCUSED, AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND START WITH COMMISSIONER HOLLINGSWORTH GIVING US THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ALL, PLEASE RISE AND FACE THE FLAG. REPEAT AFTER ME. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS FOR THE MINUTES? COMMISSIONER ALLEN? I DON'T THINK IT GETS SAID OFTEN ENOUGH HOW GOOD A JOB JULIE DOE, TAKING THESE 45 MINUTE AND LONGER MEETINGS AND CONDENSING THEM INTO SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY EASY TO FOLLOW. SO KUDOS. AND I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ALLEN. COMMISSIONER ROBERTS. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTIO. AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IT CARRIES SIX. NOTHING. OKAY. NEXT ON THE [Public Hearings, with final action by the Planning Commission] AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH FINAL ACTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. COPPER RIM, PHASE FIVE, DASH NINE, 65 OR 6150. WEST 7800 SOUTH. THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLATS 319 LOTS ON 67.92 ACRES. A PC ZONE. THE POINT HOMES AND LOOKS LIKE COTTON OR COLTON CHRONISTER IS HOW YOU SAY IT. IF YOU'D COME UP AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. AND IF I BOTCHED YOUR NAME, I APOLOGIZE. I'M NOT CALLING CHRONISTER. OH, HE'S GOT A HAIRCUT. HE'S LOOKING PRETTY GOOD. I WISH I COULD CLAIM THAT, BUT MY NAME IS SAM BARLOW. I AM REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, CW AND COLE WEST. BUT LATER, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'D LOVE TO [00:30:03] INTRODUCE COLE. AND HE'S OUR BUILDER PARTNER WITH TRIPOINT HOMES. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. STAFF. THANKS FOR THE TIME. WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TO ASK FOR THE APPROVAL ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAN FOR PHASES FIVE THROUGH NINE. AND THIS REALLY LARGELY STEMS FROM THE PDP UPDATE THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR. AND WE'RE FOLLOWING ALONG THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH THE CITY PROCESS OF SUBDIVISION APPROVALS. AND AFTER THIS, THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE FINAL APPROVAL. WE YEAH, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE EXCITED TO GET MOVING ON THIS PROJECT. AND THIS IS THAT STEP TO GET THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVED. WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WITH ME TONIGHT IS MATT WEINBERGER FROM FOCUS. HE'S MANAGING THE PROJECT COPPER RIM FOR US ON THE CIVIL SIDE. AND AGAIN, COLTON WITH OUR BUILDER PARTNER TRIPOINT HOMES. THANKS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. IF WE HAVE ANY WE'LL CALL YOU UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE UP. THANK YOU. SO, AS I WAS TALKING IN OUR PRE MEETING, JUST THE LOCATION OF THIS IS JUST ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR. SMITH'S IS ON THE SOUTH OR ON THE LOWER RIGHT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, THE COPPER RIM DEVELOPMENT EXTENDS JUST NORTHWARD OF 7800 SOUTH. AND THE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS JUST LOCATED JUST AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS FOR A PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF PHASES FIVE THROUGH NINE. AND I'LL JUST SHOW YOU WHAT THAT ENTAILS. AGAIN, THIS IS THE VICINITY MAP. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE ZONING MAP. IT'S IN A PLANNED COMMUNITY ZONE. AND THIS IS AN OVERALL PHASING PLAN. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THE PHASES FIVE AND SIX ARE THEY'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND THEN IT MARCHES UP TOWARDS THE. ESPECIALLY FOR ME. IT'S TELLING US WE HAVE 15. 12 SECONDS IN THERE. SO. THERE. THERE. THAT'S BETTER. OKAY. NOW I HAVE TWO MIKES. SO I JUST NEED TO MENTION ONE THING. THE NOTICES DID GO OUT. THERE WERE A LOT OF NOTICES, BUT JUST ON THOSE NOTICES IT LISTED THIS PROPERTY AS 432 LOTS ON 93.02 ACRES, BUT IT IS REALLY 319 LOTS ON 67.92. I THINK WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS WE JUST INCLUDED PHASE FOUR IN, IN THAT THAT NUMBER. SO I JUST NEEDED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. SO BACK IN 2018, THE COPPER RIM DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED ALONG WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND ALSO AT THAT TIME, ALL OF THE SUBDIVISION PHASES RECEIVED PRELIMINARY APPROVAL. WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS THAT I'M GOING TO KIND OF MARCH FORWARD A LITTLE BIT. SO THIS IS KIND OF A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THE 2018, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, VERSUS IT DIDN'T GO. IT'S TURNING OUT TO BE ONE OF THOSE NIGHTS. WE DON'T WANT IT TOO SIMPLE FOR YOU, RAY. COME ON. COME ON. ARE YOU ARE YOU SEEING THAT SCREEN? YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE SEEING. YEAH, WE'RE STARTING TO GET. TO THAT. COME ON DOWN. WELL, I [00:35:36] THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS JUST BRING IT HERE. OH, THERE IT GOES. AS IF BY MAGIC. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE 2018 PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BACK. AND AS YOU NOTICE UP ON IN PHASE NINE, WHAT THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE WAS SENIOR HOUSING. THAT HAS SINCE GONE AWAY. YOU CAN SEE OVER ON PHASE SIX HOW THAT WAS KIND OF DISCONNECTED FROM THE REST OF THE SUBDIVISION. IT IT WAS KIND OF A LOOPING STREET SYSTEM WITH SOME, SOME SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS OR UP ALONG OR AGAINST THE MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR, KIND OF IN A FOUR PACK ARRANGEMENT. BUT IN THE 2024 PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT WAS ALL CHANGED. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, PHASE SIX HAS BEEN HAS BEEN CHANGED. WE NOW HAVE THE DRY WASH, WHICH CONTINUES ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH AS IT SHOULD. THERE WERE SOME CHANGES ALSO TO PHASE NINE. THE SENIOR HOUSING WENT AWAY AND THAT HAS BEEN REPLACED BY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. PHASE IS PHASES EIGHT, SEVEN AND FIVE ARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS WHAT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED BACK IN 2018, BUT BECAUSE OF THOSE CHANGES, WE NEEDED TO BRING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL OF EACH OF THOSE. EACH OF THOSE PHASES. I'VE INCLUDED THOSE IN YOUR. IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. AND, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE THESE EACH ONE OF THESE PLATS. PRELIMINARY PLATS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. WE DON'T SEE ANY CONCERNS OR ISSUES WITH THAT. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR APPROVAL OF THOSE SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS. OF APPROVAL THAT ARE LISTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER ALLEN. I HAD TWO QUESTIONS. RAY, COULD YOU GO BACK TO PHASE NINE, PLAT NINE. WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE SEE THE SMALLER INTERNAL STREETS, THOSE ARE PRIVATE. CORRECT. THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE IS A PRIVATE STREET. RIGHT. AND THE WIDER ONES ARE PUBLIC. OKAY. I THINK YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THIS, BUT THAT DOES MEET OUR EMERGENCY TURNAROUND REQUIREMENTS. THEY ARE ON THE HAMMERHEAD. THEY'LL ALSO BE REVIEWED AGAIN DURING THE FINAL PHASE. WHEN THESE GO THROUGH, THEY'LL GO THROUGH SEPARATELY FOR FINAL APPROVAL. AND AT THAT TIME, THEY'LL TAKE A GOOD CLOSE LOOK AT THOSE TURNAROUNDS. BUT JUST IN GLANCING HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE THOSE THAT TURNAROUND ON THE FAR EAST SIDE. AND THEN IT KIND OF GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. OKAY. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION I HAD, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE TWO SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISONS. YEAH. WHAT IS THE DRY WASH. SOMETHING THAT WAS EXISTING THAT WE MISSED THE FIRST TIME OR WAS MITIGATED? OR IS IT SOMETHING NEW THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN ON THE NEW ONE? I'M SURPRISED TO SEE IT ON THE RIGHT PLAN, BUT NOT THE LEFT PLAN. OH, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT. IT'S STILL THIS. THE NEW ONE ACTUALLY FOLLOWS THE EXISTING CHANNEL BETTER THAN THE OLD ONE DID. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE 2018 PLAN, IT CAME HERE. AND THEN IT JUST KIND OF STOPPED AND IT WOULD BE JUST PIPED THROUGH THAT, THAT ROUNDABOUT. BUT WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW, WHAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2024 WAS I THINK IS JUST A MUCH BETTER LAYOUT. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. THIS HAS BEEN NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT TO MAKE A NOTICE THAT IF YOU ARE ON ZOOM AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS, RAISE YOUR HAND. AND IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE, DIAL STAR NINE AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS. ADDRESS [00:40:02] YOU. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. SO IS ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT COPPER RIM? COME ON UP. THANK YOU. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME EVER AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND I DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING I SAY TO CHANGE ANYTHING THIS EVENING. BUT I WILL SAY THAT SEEING THESE CHANGES, I AM A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING MORE AMENITIES BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE CHANGES THAT WE. I MOVED INTO COPPER RIM ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, AND ONE THING THAT DREW ME AND MY FAMILY THERE WERE ALL THE PLANNED AMENITIES, ESPECIALLY FOR SMALL AND GROWING FAMILIES. AND I KNOW THAT THAT ALSO DREW A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS IN AS WELL. AND SO JUST SEEING THAT THERE ARE MORE HOUSES AND MORE HOUSES THAT WILL PROBABLY HOUSE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, CHANGING THE SENIOR PHASE INTO LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. I JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE KIDS, AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AMENITIES IN THE AREA TO REALLY SHARE THIS SPACE WITH EVERYONE. SO I'M INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTED IN THAT, AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS. SO THANK YOU. CAN WE GET YOUR NAME, PLEASE? OH, MY NAME IS STACIA. KAREN. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ON ZOOM OR ON THE PHONE? OKAY. YES. THERE'S SOMEBODY ON THE TELEPHONE. ENDS WITH FOUR, FOUR, EIGHT, SEVEN. YEAH. PUSH STAR NINE. AND THEN YOU CAN GO STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. I THINK IT IS. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. OKAY. MY NAME IS NATE. NATE HURST. I'D LIKE TO ECHO THE SENTIMENT THAT STACIA HAD. I MEAN, EVERY ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO'VE ALSO LIVED HERE FOR THREE YEARS, AND I DON'T KNOW ANYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULDN'T WANT MORE AMENITIES. IT'S REALLY AN ISSUE. WE ALREADY HAVE MORE THAN 200 HOMES, AND WE HAVE A TINY LITTLE POOL AND CLUBHOUSE. IT REALLY IS KIND OF A PROBLEM. BUT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS. DO WE KNOW? DOES THE DEVELOPER KNOW? WILL WE HAVE THE WATER ISSUES FIXED BEFORE THE NEW PHASES ARE GOING IN? BECAUSE ALL OF OUR GRASS AND THE OPEN SPACE DIED THIS SUMMER, AND SAYS, AND THE DEVELOPER ARE SAYING IT'S BECAUSE THE WATER, THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS NOT UP TO PAR FOR IT. WOULD THAT BE MY FIRST QUESTION? PROFESSIONS GO. DO WE KNOW IF THE NEW PHASES, ESPECIALLY THE TOWNHOME AND COTTAGE HOMES, WILL HAVE ENOUGH PARKING OFF STREETS BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE WITH THAT AS WELL. AND I ACTUALLY WOULDN'T MIND CHATTING WITH THE COMMISSION ABOUT THAT ONE. THE BIKE LANES, EVERYONE JUST PARKS IN THE BIKE LANE. AND THERE'S NOT ANY NO PARKING SIGNS, WHICH SEEMS KIND OF COUNTERINTUITIVE TO ME, LIKE HOW YOU CAN RIDE A BIKE IN THE BIKE LANE IF THERE'S CARS PARKED THERE. SO I GUESS THOSE TWO QUESTIONS WOULD BE I HAVE A HUGE LIST. BUT YEAH, I COULD GET EITHER ONE OF THOSE ADDRESSED AND I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE OR ON ZOOM? TUCKER. TUCKER. GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE AND SPEAK IF YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME. WE CAN HEAR YOU. HI. MY NAME IS BECKY TUCKER. I JUST WANTED TO ECHO THE TWO THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED SO FAR ABOUT THE COPPER RIM. AGAIN, WE MOVED INTO THE ONE OF THESE BEGINNING PHASES ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, AND WE WERE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT WERE PROMISED TO US. ANOTHER PARK, PICKLEBALL COURTS AND WHATNOT. AND THERE'S BEEN ONE VERY SMALL PARK AND THEN NOTHING ELSE SINCE. AND SO WE'RE JUST WONDERING WHERE ARE THE OTHER AMENITIES GOING TO BE PUT? LIKE THEY SAID, THREE, 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO, WE'RE JUST SEEING MORE AND MORE HOUSES AND LESS OPEN SPACE AND LESS AMENITIES. SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF DISAPPOINTED IN THAT. THE OTHER THING, KIND OF WHAT NATE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF IMPROPER MAINTENANCE GOING ON WITH THE GRASS DYING AND THE MANY, MANY, MANY WAY TOO [00:45:05] MANY TO COUNT TREES THAT ARE NOW DEAD. AND IT'S MAKING THE WHOLE COMMUNITY JUST LOOK LIKE TRASH, HONESTLY. AND SO WE'RE JUST HOPING THAT THE REST OF THE PHASES HERE CAN HELP IT, YOU KNOW, HELP. BUT WE JUST DON'T WANT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY TO YEAH, GO DOWNHILL FROM WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE? OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND ANYBODY UP ON HERE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YEAH. JUST EITHER STAFF OR OR THE APPLICANT. IF, AS I'M LOOKING AT THE SLIDE HERE, I DON'T SEE REALLY ANY AMENITIES. SO I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S. HAS THERE BEEN A DECREASE IN AMENITIES FROM PLAN TO PLAN OR WHAT'S WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT. SO THIS SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS THE SUBDIVISIONS. AND WHETHER OR NOT THOSE SUBDIVISIONS COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT. THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN TERMS OF LAYOUT. WITH THESE THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES THAT WILL BE INSTALLED. YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE AMENITY PACKAGE THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THAT, THAT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE LIKE TOT LOTS AND THE POOL, CLUBHOUSE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING THOSE ON THIS ON THIS PLAN AS FAR AS PHASE NINE FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE A TOT LOT THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PHASE FIVE. I THINK THERE'D BE ANOTHER TOT LOT AS PART OF THAT. SO THIS ISN'T, LIKE I SAY, NOT SHOWING THE WHOLE THE WHOLE PICTURE. SO WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THOSE AT A FINAL PLAT AS OPPOSED TO THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT. OKAY. SO EXPLANATION ON THAT IS STILL TO COME. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ALLEN. SO I'LL ASK FOR AN ADDRESS ON THE OTHER ONE TOO. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE LOOKED AT THIS, WHAT, ALMOST NINE, TEN MONTHS ISH. BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THERE ARE GOING TO BE FEWER UNITS UNDER THE RIGHT MODEL THAN THERE WERE INITIALLY APPROVED UNDER THE LEFT MODEL. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY FEWER PEOPLE IN THE REGION. AND THEN AS AS WE'VE POINTED OUT ALREADY, THE AMENITIES ARE STILL TO COME. THAT'S JUST A SEPARATE ITEM OR AGENDA ITEM THAT WILL COME BACK, RIGHT? OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. SO REY, THE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ALL THE AMENITIES ARE LISTED. RIGHT? SO THERE'S NO BAIT AND SWITCH. I THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS MIGHT HAVE BEEN INFERRING. BUT THEY HAVE TO BE BUILT. THEY'RE JUST SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AT FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT APPROVAL. RIGHT. WITH TONIGHT IT'S PRELIMINARY. BUT WHEN IT COMES BACK TO STAFF FOR INDIVIDUAL SUBDIVISION PHASE APPROVALS FOR FINAL APPROVAL, STAFF WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE AMENITIES IDENTIFIED IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ARE SPECIFIED IN THE FINAL SUBDIVISION PHASE PLANS, RIGHT? YES. IF I COULD HAVE THE OWNER COME UP AND MAYBE SPEAK TO THE WATER PROBLEM. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. IN ADDITION TO WHAT REY MENTIONED, WE HAVE A GREEN SPACE CONCEPT LAID OUT THAT IS IMPROVING THE PDP. AND YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THAT, IT WAS OVER NINE ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, TOT LOTS, PUBLIC GARDENS THAT ARE TO COME IN THE EARLIER PHASES. BUT TO THE TWO QUESTIONS OF PARKING AND WATER, WE ARE AWARE OF THE WATER ISSUE. WE ARE WORKING WITH FCHS MANAGEMENT ON FIXING THAT ISSUE. I BELIEVE I'M NOT OVER THE HOA INTERNALLY WITH CW, BUT WE IDENTIFIED THAT PROBLEM KIND OF LATER IN THE FALL AND COULDN'T DO THE WORK NECESSARY. AS WITH THE WEATHER COMING IN. BUT WE FULLY INTEND TO FIX THAT IN THE SPRING TO FIX THAT ISSUE. AND WITH THE PARKING. WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANY PARKING FROM THE PDP PLAN. AND SO OUR ORIGINAL PARKING DESIGN AND ACCOMMODATION IS WHAT WAS IMPROVED IN THAT PLAN. AND I THINK TO THAT POINT, THE PDP IN PHASE NINE HAD A, YOU KNOW, A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY. AND SO I THINK WE FEEL MORE CONFIDENT IN PARKING, PARKING IT WITH THIS MOST RECENT CHANGE OF TOWNHOUSES AND SINGLE FAMILIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OR ANY COMMENTS? [00:50:17] COMMISSIONER HOLLINGSWORTH, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. THEN GO AHEAD. PUT THAT UP, PLEASE. I MOVED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT FOR COPPER RIM PHASES FIVE THROUGH NINE, LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY 6150 WEST 7800 SOUTH, AND THE PLANNED COMMUNITY PC ZONING DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. COMMISSIONER ALAN, I WANT TO SECOND THAT. CAN I DISCUSS AND THEN MOVE TO THE. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE. YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT. NO, NO I'LL SECOND THAT ENTIRELY. BUT I WANT TO MAKE ONE POINT OF DISCUSSION. YES THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO WE DON'T OFTEN GET PEOPLE THAT COME AND TALK. THANK YOU. SO HOPEFULLY WE ANSWERED THE THREE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP TO THE FOLKS THAT THAT BROUGHT THOSE UP. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DID COME THROUGH. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING TONIGHT IS A NOTION THAT WE HAVE THIS PRELIMINARY LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISIONS AND HOW THINGS WOULD LAY OUT. IT COMES BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LATER WITH THE FINAL, AND I THINK WITH THE WATER ISSUE THAT WAS DESCRIBED, SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GO THROUGH THE HOA TO HANDLE. HOPEFULLY THAT IS A PROPER PROCESS AND THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO MAKE HEADWAY ON THAT. AND THEN FOR THE OTHER TWO, REST ASSURED THAT WITHIN THE AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAS PUT TOGETHER FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE AMENITIES GET INSTALLED. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THE FINAL APPROVAL FOR EACH PHASE WILL BE BY CITY STAFF RATHER THAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT YEAH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT REY WAS TRYING TO SAY. OKAY, ALL RIGHT. AND THEN A SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER ALLEN. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED OKAY. IT CARRIES SIX. NOTHING OKAY. NEXT IS THE ICY COPPER HILLS CLINIC AT 5557 HIGHLANDS LOOP ROAD. THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN SC TWO ZONE, THE FFKR ARCHITECTS WITH KEITH JENSEN. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PRESENT THIS PROJECT SEEKING APPROVAL TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE SITE DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS AND WHEN BUILDING PERMIT. IT'S KIND OF A GENERAL REFERENCE POINT. IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN THIS IMAGE. THE SMITHS, NEAR THE CORNER OF 7800 SOUTH AND 5600 WEST. THIS IS JUST OFF THE VIEW HERE TO THE LOWER LEFT. SO SAME GENERAL VICINITY. THE ZONING HERE IS AS WAS MENTIONED TO. ZONE. THAT'S PRIMARILY RETAIL SHOPPING. AND THERE'S PLENTY OF THAT THERE. THIS IS A HEALTH CLINIC. IT IS AN APPROVED USE IN THAT ZONE. BUT IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE GOT AN ABUNDANCE OF. SO I THINK IT WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT. IT'LL BE A COMMUNITY SERVICE THAT'S NEEDED. THE WEST SIDE OF THE VALLEY IS UNDERSERVED WITH HEALTH FACILITIES AND CLINICS. INTERMOUNTAIN HAS IDENTIFIED THAT NEED AND IS AND IS ADDRESSING IT WITH THIS FACILITY. SO. SO IT'S A PERMITTED USE. IT'S A. IT BUT IT'S ALSO DIFFERENT. SO IT'S SIMILAR ENOUGH TO WHAT YOU'VE GOT, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL BENEFIT THAN A LOT OF YOUR BIG BOX OR BIG CHAIN RETAIL. SO SOME OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN A CHALLENGE THAT WE'VE WORKED ON ARE THE GRADING OF THE SITE ACCESS POINTS AND BUILDING ORIENTATION. SO WE'VE GOT THIS BUILDING AND PLANNED OUT FOR FUTURE ADDITIONS TO MAXIMIZE THE SERVICES THAT THIS SITE CAN PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY. BUT WE HAVE THE FRONT FACE OF THE BUILDING FACING 5600 WEST IS THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING FROM WHILE IT'S SET BACK OFF THE STREET A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN SOME OF THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS, IT STILL IS, IS CONGRUENT WITH WITH THE BASIC PATTERNS. SO PUBLIC ACCESS WILL BE OFF OF [00:55:07] 5600 WEST. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN ACCESS THAT'S AN EXISTING ACCESS POINT. WE'RE ADDING ACCESS ACCESS OFF OF HIGHLAND LOOP ROAD. AND THEN THERE'S A SERVICE ENTRANCE THAT IS NOT A PUBLIC ENTRANCE SERVICE FOR DELIVERIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT WILL BE OFF THE PRIVATE ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE. SO SEPARATING THOSE FUNCTIONS IS IMPORTANT TO INTERMOUNTAIN. IT IMPROVES THE PATIENT WAYFINDING EXPERIENCE AND SAFETY ON THE SITE. WE'VE GOT SOME PEDESTRIAN ACCESS POINTS AND BICYCLE PATHWAYS ON ON THAT CORNER AND THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT IN THAT AREA THAT WE'RE ACCOMMODATING AS WELL AS FAR AS THE MATERIALS OF THE BUILDING, THE PRIMARY EXTERIOR FINISH IS BRICK. WE'VE GOT SOME REAL SAMPLES OF THE COLOR OF THE RENDERINGS A LITTLE BIT OFF, BUT SO PRIMARILY BRICK WITH STONE ACCENT AT THE ENTRANCE. AND THEN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GLAZING AND SOME METAL PANEL ACCENTS. THE IT'S A ONE STORY BUILDING WITH A MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE. SO THE HIGH POINT OF THE MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE IS 26FT, SIX INCHES. THE PERMITTED HEIGHT IS 35FT. SO THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA ARE SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS. AND VERY CONSISTENT WITH THAT PATTERN. THE GENERAL MASSING AND CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING. THIS THIS IS KIND OF A MID-SIZE BUILDING RELATIVE TO OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S THIS MASS WHICH IS BIGGER, HOME DEPOT, WHICH IS BIGGER. THEN THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE RETAIL SHOPS, SOME OF WHICH ARE JOINED TOGETHER. BUT BUT IN THAT CONTEXT, THIS BUILDING, AT LEAST AT FULL BUILD OUT, WILL BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAT. SO IT'S KIND OF MID RANGE BUILDING, BUT STILL VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE MASSING AND SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I DON'T THINK I'VE ADDRESSED MANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ALSO ADDRESSED IN THE STAFF REPORT. BUT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE AS THEY COME UP AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I JUST GOT ONE QUICK QUESTION. IS IT VERY SIMILAR TO THE CLINIC THERE ON 2700 WEST AND 90TH. SO IT SIMILAR IN ESTHETICS? NO, I WOULD SAY NO. ANYWAY, THE CLINIC. MAYBE I JUMPED TO CONCLUSIONS. SO THERE'S A WEST JORDAN CLINIC ON 90TH SOUTH AND 2700 WEST 28TH. YEAH. SO THAT THAT STYLE WAS KIND OF THE INTERMOUNTAIN STANDARD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. AND THEY'VE DEVELOPED A NEW PROTOTYPE, SO TO SPEAK. SO THE CLINIC MODULE FOR, FOR THE FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. BUT THE EXTERIOR OF THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY IS UNIQUE. SO IT'S NOT A COOKIE CUTTER FLOOR PLAN OR BUILDING PLAN OVERALL THAT WE'RE USING THE INTERIOR MODULES ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT. SO THAT SO IT WILL LOOK DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER BUILDING OR CLINIC. BUT IT'S GOT CONSISTENT MATERIALS AND PATTERNS THAT THAT ARE INTERMOUNTAIN STANDARDS. SO IT'S CONGRUENT WITH THE BRAND OF INTERMOUNTAIN HEALTH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ALLEN I'M JUST GOING TO DOVETAIL ON THAT ONE. SIMILAR INSTA CARE SERVICES INTERNAL. YEAH. SO THE SERVICES PLANNED FOR PHASE ONE INCLUDE FAMILY MEDICINE PEDIATRICS WOMEN'S SERVICES AND PSYCHIATRIC COUNSELING. SO AND THEN THE FUTURE ADDITIONS WOULD ACCOMMODATE PROBABLY 4 OR 5 SPECIALTY CLINICS YET TO BE DETERMINED. SO THEY'RE MORE GENERAL PRACTICE KIND OF SERVICES THAT WILL SERVE A PRETTY BROAD SPECTRUM OF THE COMMUNITY. BUT THERE'S NOT AN INSTA CARE IN PHASE ONE. THERE COULD BE IN A FUTURE PHASE. SO THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN IS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU RAY. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. SO THIS IS THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE, JUST SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING, THERE'S A SORRY, IT'S JUST THE WAY I'M BUILT. ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS WHERE THE FUTURE [01:00:04] ADDITION IS, IS LIKELY. THIS JUST SHOWS LIKE THE ROUGH LOCATION OF THAT. THE SITE DOES MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THAT FIRST PHASE, BUT ADDITIONAL PARKING WILL NEED TO BE INSTALLED AS PART OF THAT SECOND PHASE WHEN IT COMES IN. SO WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. MAKE SURE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE MET WHEN THAT AT THAT TIME WE DO LIKE THE SEPARATION OF THE CUSTOMER PARKING VERSUS AND SEPARATED FROM THE LOADING AREA. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLAN. LET ME JUST I'M JUST GOING TO KICK IT DOWN TO THE LANDSCAPE AND PLAN LANDSCAPE. THE SITE WILL BE WELL LANDSCAPED. YOU'VE GOT LANDSCAPING ISLANDS IN THE PARKING AREA. THERE'S PLENTY OF ACCESS TO THE SITE. AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE'S PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE PUBLIC WAY IS PUBLIC SIDEWALKS. OVERALL, WE THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN. WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING OR MAJOR ISSUES WITH IT. THIS WILL GO THROUGH A FINAL REVIEW, BUT THAT'S JUST AT A STAFF LEVEL. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR APPROVAL, JUST SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE'VE GOT LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. COMMISSIONER ALLEN. I THOUGHT THE. COUPLE OF UPDATED IMAGES THAT ALSO KIND OF PLAY OUT HERE. I THOUGHT THE STAFF BACKER MEMO WAS REALLY WELL PUT TOGETHER. AND I'M SURE YOU ANSWERED THIS, BUT I GOT A LITTLE BIT LOST AND YOU BROUGHT IT UP. SO THE PARKING IN PARTICULAR, WE'VE GOT MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING FOR WHAT IS PROPOSED. CURRENTLY. THERE IS A POTENTIAL FUTURE EXPANSION, BUT WE'RE REALLY KIND OF NEBULOUS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO STICK OUR FOOT IN THE DOOR AND SAY, THIS IS HOW MANY WE BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING, BUT JUST LOOKING OVER THE SITE THE WAY THAT IT'S SET UP. I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE PARKING IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S GOING TO BE VIABLE FOR THE SITE. SO DOES THAT MEAN THE FUTURE EXPANSION IS GOING TO BE LIMITED IN SIZE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF AVAILABLE PARKING? FUNNY. FUNNY YOU SHOULD ASK BECAUSE I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION WHERE WHERE THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT, AND I THINK THEY I DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE PACKET, BUT THEY DID SHOW PROVIDE ANOTHER LAYOUT SHOWING THE ADDITIONAL PARKING AND THAT WOULD BE AROUND THE SOUTH DRIVE AISLE ON THAT SIDE. SO IT'D BE THERE AND THEN KIND OF WRAPPING UP AROUND THERE, AND THEN THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARKING ALONG THAT SOUTH SOUTH ISH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO WE WON'T APPROVE IT UNLESS IT MEETS THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH USES IN THE FUTURE. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT. IT IS, IT IS, YOU KNOW, OVER PARKED AT LEAST FOR THIS FIRST PHASE. BUT WHEN THAT SECOND PHASE COMES IN, WE'LL COMES IN AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. WELL I APPRECIATE THE, THE FORWARD THINKING. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. SO YOU'RE ALREADY THERE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. OKAY. AGAIN THIS HAS BEEN NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU ARE ONLINE PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR DIAL STAR NINE. OH PLEASE SIR, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. PAUL STRINGHAM WITH PETERSON DEVELOPMENT. I JUST WANT TO TAKE THE MOMENT AND THANK OUR PEOPLE HERE FROM IAC, WHO ARE THE PLANNERS, AND WORKING WITH THIS PROJECT. WE SOLD THE GROUND TO IAC APPROXIMATELY SEVEN YEARS AGO. WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THEM BEING OUT THERE. I THINK THIS IS A SERVICE THAT'S GOING TO CERTAINLY CERTAINLY ASSIST THE COMMUNITY THERE AND SUPPORT THE RETAIL THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT RETAIL OUT THERE AND MORE TO COME AND GREAT NEWS WITH A LOT OF FUN THINGS HAPPENING OUT THERE. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HAVING MORE DAYTIME SERVICES OUT THERE OF CLINICAL OFFICE. WE NEED THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC TO SUPPORT OUR RETAIL SERVICES. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, I HAVE EXPERIENCES WITH EVERY ONE OF YOU, AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU AND THE MAYOR IN THE BACK DOING HIS HOMEWORK. SO WE APPRECIATE MAYOR BURTON BACK THERE. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT AND EXPRESS OUR APPRECIATION ON BEHALF OF PETERSON DEVELOPMENT FOR WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU HERE AT WEST JORDAN. WE HAVE A GREAT HISTORY HERE FOR DECADES AND DECADES OF TIME, SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING AND WORKING WITH IAC VERY MUCH. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ONLINE. NOBODY WITH THEIR HAND [01:05:06] RAISED OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENT AND OR EMOTION. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR A NEW MEDICAL CLINIC LOCATED ON 4.13 ACRES OF LAND AT 5557 HIGHLAND LOOP ROAD, SUBJECT TO ALL REQUIREMENTS OF APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER ALAN I WILL SECOND THAT. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. YOUR FULL COMMENTS I NO, NO, I JUST I WANTED TO NOTE THAT THESE WERE THESE RENDERINGS WERE PUT OUT AFTERWARD AND THEY'RE VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THEM AND FOR PUTTING THOSE UP. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE FANTASTIC TO HAVE SOMETHING CLOSER TO MY NECK OF THE WOODS OUT ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH I AGREE IS UNDERSERVED. SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING. SO ABSOLUTELY, WHOLEHEARTEDLY SECONDED. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSED OKAY. CARRIES SIX. NOTHING. OKAY. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS TAYLOR'S GROVE SUBDIVISION 7230 SOUTH 1300 WEST. A MAJOR SUBDIVISION, 30 LOTS AND THREE PARCELS ON APPROXIMATELY 9.92 ACRES. OUR ONE EIGHT ZONE AND RUSS TOLBERT. IF YOU'RE NOT, CAN YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME THEN? YES. ROBBIE THOMPSON WITH UTAH LAND COMPANY. DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION? SURE. YEAH. LET'S DO IT. THANK YOU. SO IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE MAYBE A YEAR AGO. I THINK AT THIS TIME WE DID THE REZONE. NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED. SO THE R1 ZONING WE ARE SETTLING I THINK IT'S RIGHT AROUND YEAH 30 LOTS. WE'RE STILL THAT DETENTION BASIN. WE JUST GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MEETS THE CODE, YOU KNOW, MEETS THE CITY REQUIREMENTS. OTHER THAN THAT IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THERE'S NOTHING NO CURVE BALLS ON THIS ONE. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. WE LOOKED AT THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS WHEN WE CAME ABOUT A YEAR AGO ON ON LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS OF DOING CUL DE SAC ON ONE OF THE ROADS AND IT JUST IT SLICED IT UP. THERE IS A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT ON THE END, LOTS OF BEING 9000FT■!S ON THE. AND SO ANYWAY, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT. AND SO WE LIKE THIS PLAN THE BEST. AND THE EXISTING BUILDING, THAT COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT WILL CONTINUE TO STAY. OTHER THAN THAT THAT'S THAT'S REALLY IT REALLY SIMPLE. IT'S NOT IT'S JUST ALL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. THERE'S NOTHING ATTACHED. IT'S JUST SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LOTS. I GOT ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT BUILDING THAT IS STANDING. SO SHE KARMA THE OWNER I KNOW KARMA. YEAH. SO KARMA IS RETIRING. SHE'S TRYING TO HAVE SOMEONE TAKE OVER AND MAINTAIN CONTINUE THE THAT THAT'S THE IDEAL SCENARIO. THE VET OFFICE SMALL ANIMAL. THEY DON'T DO LARGE ANIMAL ANYMORE. SO SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON THAT. SHE WANTS TO GET THIS FIGURED OUT. AND THEN SHE DOES HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S WHO'S LOOKING TO BUY IT AND POTENTIALLY DO CONTINUE BEING THAT BEING A VET OFFICE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M ASKING, BECAUSE IAN WAS MY VET AND HE DISAPPEARED. OH, SO OKAY. SO THAT'S YEAH, I THINK HE MUST HAVE BEEN THE ASSOCIATE WITH HER. HE WAS HE WAS, I GUESS THE STORY HE WAS PLANNING TO BUY IT. AND THEN WHEN SHE WAS READY TO BE DONE PHYSICALLY, SHE COULDN'T DO IT ANYMORE. AND WHEN SHE WAS READY TO TRANSITION, HE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WENT. AND. SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T. EAGLE MOUNTAIN. OH, EAGLE MOUNTAIN. SO. SO YOU WENT TO GREENER PASTURES, I GUESS, SO TO SPEAK. SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE PLAN. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A VET IN THERE FOR, FOR, FOR ALL THE SMALL ANIMALS. I WOULD LOVE THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. YES. THANK YOU. SO I NOTICED ON THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE TWO CORNER LOTS ARE A LITTLE BIT SMALL, BUT THEY'VE THEY'VE GOT A [01:10:03] WORKAROUND WHERE YOU YOU SHRINK 19 AND 22. YEAH. SO YOU'VE SEEN THAT AND YOU'RE THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COMPLY. YEAH OKAY. GREAT. THANKS. YEAH ABSOLUTELY. COMMISSIONER ALLEN I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT WEST JORDAN'S PASTURES ARE JUST AS GREEN AS EAGLE MOUNTAINS. I AGREE 100%. I'M WITH YOU. MY BROTHER LIVES IN WEST JORDAN, SO I'M WITH YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CALL YOU UP IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER. THANK YOU. RAY. OH, SORRY. TAYLOR. MR. CHAIR, IF THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. SO, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS 30 LOTS AND THREE PARCELS ON JUST UNDER TEN ACRES. HERE'S THE VICINITY MAP. SO IT'S JUST OFF OF 1300 WEST 70TH IS ABOUT A THIRD OF A MILE TO THE NORTH. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS R1 EIGHT AS WELL OR MORE DENSE. WE HAVE SOME R2 AND SOME R3 EIGHT. SO THIS PROJECT FITS IN NICELY WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD PLAT. ALL OF THE LOTS MINUS THE LOT 20 AND 21 DO COMPLY. THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM THERE TO SHIFT ABOUT 350FT■!S FM LOTS 19 AND 22 TO THOSE LOTS, AND THEN ALL FOUR OF THOSE LOTS WOULD CONFORM. AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT LOTS ON THE CORNER ARE 1000FT■!S LARGER THAN THE MINIM. SO EASY TO OVERLOOK. THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE THERE. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE WITH THIS COMING IN AS A FINAL PLAT. FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH THIS COMPLIES WITH. YOU CAN SEE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AS WELL, AND CURRENT ZONING IS R1 EIGHT, JUST LIKE THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH. AS MENTIONED, TO THE EAST AND WEST, WE HAVE SOME MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT. THE NEXT STEP AFTER THIS WOULD JUST BE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL. THAT'S AT STAFF LEVEL. AND THEN CONSTRUCTION. WE FEEL LIKE THIS MEETS THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH JUST THOSE TWO CONDITIONS. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER HOLLINGSWORTH. SO LOOKING AT YOUR YOUR PLOT LAYOUT THERE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW COMING OFF OF THOSE TWO SIDE STREETS ONTO THE MAIN FLOW, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES MADE FOR THAT SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T SPEED DOWN THAT ROAD? YEAH. I MEAN, IF WE LOOK AT THE SUBDIVISION, IT ALREADY EMBODIES A LOT OF THE PRINCIPLES OF TRAFFIC CALMING. IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT ROUTE. IT'S CIRCUITOUS. THERE'S. CURVES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE ALREADY INCLUDED. OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER DOES TAKE A LOOK AT EVERY PROJECT. AND AS IT COMES TO FINAL PLAT STAGE, IF HE FEELS LIKE IT NEEDS LIKE A CHICANE OR A BULB OUT AT THE INTERSECTIONS, THAT'S A COMMON THING THAT WE WOULD DO. BUT THOSE ARE SOMETHING THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WILL LOOK AT AT THE FINAL PLAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ALLEN, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION IN THE PRE MEETING. GO THROUGH VERY BRIEFLY THE EXISTING BUILDING. IT'S A NONCONFORMING USE. IF IT'S NOT FILLED WITHIN A YEAR WHAT HAPPENS. YEAH. SO IF A LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE IS ABANDONED ESSENTIALLY THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE USE THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE CURRENT R-1 ZONE. SO IF THEY DON'T FILL IT WITH THE SAME USE WITHIN 12 MONTHS, ESSENTIALLY THEY WOULD HAVE TO JUST DO RESIDENTIAL OR CHANGE THE ZONING. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION BEFORE ALSO. SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. AGAIN, THIS WAS NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS, PLEASE COME UP TO THE MIC. YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES AND STATE YOUR NAME. IF YOU'RE ONLINE, RAISE YOUR HAND OR DIAL STAR NINE. OKAY, WE HAVE A TELEPHONE ENDING IN 2619. OKAY. IF YOU'RE ON THE TELEPHONE. STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. HI. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME. KEN NELSON. DID YOU GET THAT? CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR NAME AGAIN? KEN NELSON. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. SO THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THIS [01:15:04] WAS GOING TO OPEN UP TRAFFIC TO. IT'S NOT 1300 WEST, BUT THE OTHER DIRECTION GOING ON TO ERICKSON PARK DRIVE WHERE I LIVE. THERE WAS CONCERN THAT ADDING MORE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE TROUBLESOME. WE THE SUGGESTION WAS MADE TO TURN THIS DEVELOPMENT INTO A CUL DE SAC, AND THE CONCLUSION AT THE END OF THE MEETING WAS THAT THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT UP WITH THE DEVELOPERS, BUT WHOEVER WAS SPEAKING SAID THAT THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT. I'D LIKE MORE EXPLANATION ON THAT. IT'LL BE HANDLED THROUGH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER BEFORE IT'S APPROVED FOR ITS FINAL. SO ARE YOU FINISHED, SIR? YEAH. WELL, THERE'S ONE OTHER THING, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE THAT HASN'T BEEN TURNED OFF OR TURNED DOWN YET, BUT IT COULD BE OR COULD BE ACCEPTED. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE PLAT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THE PLAT THAT WE WILL LOOK FOR APPROVAL OF. WE DO HAVE ORDINANCE WHICH ACTUALLY REQUIRES THE CONNECTION OF THOSE STUB ROADS TO THE EXISTING ROADS. AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS LONG BEEN PLANNED FOR IT MEETS OUR ORDINANCES TO HAVE THESE CONNECTED. DOING THAT AS A CUL DE SAC WOULD ACTUALLY BE CONTRARY TO CITY CODE. YOU JUST FINISHED A PUBLIC HEARING. BEFORE WE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ARE YOU FINISHED, SIR? MR. KEN, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. IT WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP ON ON THE LAST MEETING. IF THERE IS A KIND OF A PUBLIC WALKWAY THAT'S BETWEEN TWO CHAIN LINK FENCES THAT WAS PUT IN BY THE CITY SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND IS THAT GOING TO REMAIN THE KIND OF TIES THE. IT'S A SEPARATE WALKWAY FROM THE STREETS TO CONNECT ERICKSON PARK WITH WINGFIELD STREET. IT'S GOING TO REMAIN. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD. AND IF YOU'RE DONE WE'VE GOT TO CLOSE THE HEARING. OKAY, SIR, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE HEARING. ALSO, THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON. CAN SOMEBODY ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS THAT WE WILL WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE AFTER WE HAVE TO COMPLETE THE HEARING OKAY. OKAY. ANDREA HEARD. YEAH. HI, THIS IS ANDREA HEARD. I'M A RESIDENT IN ONE OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I'M JUMPING THE GUN ON MY QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. WHEN THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS COMPLETED, WILL WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WHERE WE CAN GO OVER THOSE RESULTS? I KNOW IN THE LAST MEETING, WE KIND OF THOUGHT THAT WE HAD MORE. WELL, ME AND MY DAUGHTER HAD THOUGHT WE HAD MORE OF A VOICE THAN WE DID. SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN AS FAR AS, LIKE THE TREES SURROUNDING THE LAND, IF THERE IF THERE'S A PLAN FOR THAT NOW OR IF THAT WAITS UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS. IF SOMEONE COULD EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER ONLINE? NO. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENTS AND OR QUESTIONS. CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP PLEASE? OKAY. SO FIRST, THE TRAIL IS ACTUALLY NOT A PUBLIC TRAIL. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PUT IN BY MR. TAYLOR PREVIOUSLY IN THE PAST. SO AS CURRENTLY DRAWN, THERE'S NO PLANS TO MAINTAIN THAT. SO WHAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO DO NOW, THEY'LL JUST HAVE TO STAY ON THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK AND GO AROUND THAT FOUR PACK OF LOTS RATHER THAN CUT THROUGH. REGARDING PROCESS, THIS IS THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS. EVERY APPROVAL AFTER THIS WILL BE STAFF LEVEL, WHERE WE WILL JUST EVALUATE TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS CITY ORDINANCES AND CITY STANDARDS. AND IF IT DOES, AND IT COMPLIES WITH THE APPROVAL, THEN IT WOULD BE APPROVED. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR MOTIONS? COMMISSIONER ALLEN, I'M JUST GOING TO REPEAT WHAT I HEARD BECAUSE I MAKE SURE IT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR ON THE RECORD. [01:20:08] SO THE CITY SORRY, THE TRAIL IS, ACCORDING TO THIS PLAN GOING AWAY. IT WAS NEVER CONSIDERED A PUBLIC USE. SO PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO WALK ABOUT 600 TO 650 EXTRA FEET AROUND A COUPLE OF LOTS. ON PROCESS. WHEN AN APPLICATION COMES IN LIKE THIS, STAFF TAKES A LOOK AT IT. IN COMPARISON TO CITY CODE, CITY PRACTICES, AND FUTURE LAND USE MAPS. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS MEETS ALL OF THOSE WHERE THERE WERE TWO STUB STREETS. IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO CONNECT IN THIS WAY AND THEN OUT TO 1300 WEST. SO CUL DE SAC WAS NEVER A CONSIDERATION ON THIS. WITHIN THE CITY CODE, THE ONLY OTHER ONE I SAW WAS OR HEARD WAS THE TREES SURROUNDING THE LAND, WHICH I'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A STAB AT. IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY CURRENTLY, SO IT'S UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER IF THEY DECIDE TO DISTURB THOSE TREES DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOTS. AND I'M GETTING A NOD FROM STAFF. SO I THINK THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING AND I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION, PLEASE. STAFF'S TRYING TO GET IT UP ON THE BOARD FOR ME. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO. OH, I MOVE THAT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE A PRELIMINARY MAJOR SUBDIVISION FOR TAYLOR'S GROVE, LOCATED AT 7230 SOUTH 1300 WEST, SUBJECT TO ALL REQUIREMENTS OF APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I SECOND THAT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. CARRIES SIX. NOTHING. LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS REVIEW OF THE [Informational Items] BALANCED HOUSING REPORT FOR 2024. AND THAT WILL BE DONE BY MARK. ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR LETTING ME SETTLE IN HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL JUST GO OVER THIS REAL QUICK. SO GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE IS PART OF THE WESTERN CITY CODE. AND THIS IS IN TITLE 13, CHAPTER EIGHT, SECTION 23, INITIALLY ADOPTED BACK IN 2014, KIND OF AS A RESPONSE TO A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH FROM RESIDENTS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT A LOT OF THE GROWTH THAT WAS HAPPENING IN WEST JORDAN, PARTICULARLY SOME OF THESE REALLY HIGH DENSITY, HIGH INTENSITY DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE KIND OF COMING IN JUST HAPHAZARDLY WITH NO REAL RHYME OR REASON. AND SO REALLY KIND OF THE PURPOSE OF CREATING THIS ORDINANCE WAS TO KIND OF GUIDE SOME OF THOSE HIGH INTENSITY DEVELOPMENTS TOWARDS AREAS WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ROADS, UTILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT WERE WERE KIND OF ALREADY IN PLACE OR ABLE TO HANDLE THAT KIND OF INTENSITY USE. SO FOR INSTANCE, KIND OF TRYING TO AVOID THE PROVERBIAL MASSIVE FIVE STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA KIND OF THING, JUST TO USE THAT AS A HYPOTHETICAL. BUT SO, YEAH, BASICALLY, IT'S REALLY JUST. RIGHT. MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD GO IN THE RIGHT PLACE. AND, AND A LOT OF THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THAT BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE, WHICH I'LL GO OVER IN A SECOND. BUT SO BASICALLY WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES IS IT PREVENTS OR DOESN'T ALLOW ANY NEW MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS UNTIL THE CITY CAN KIND OF BALANCE OUT OUR SINGLE FAMILY TO MULTIFAMILY RATIO. AND THE RATIO THAT'S CALLED OUT IN THAT ORDINANCE IS 77% SINGLE FAMILY AND 23% MULTIFAMILY. NOW, THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THIS. SO A LOT OF THESE HAVE TO DO WITH, LIKE I WAS SAYING, AREAS WHERE THAT ARE ALREADY KIND OF SET UP FOR HIGH INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS WOULD BE AREAS WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF A LIGHT RAIL STATION. THESE ARE WHAT'S CALLED THE TRANSIT STATION OVERLAY DISTRICTS. OTHERS WOULD BE SOME OF OUR LARGER PLANNED COMMUNITIES. SO 75 PLUS ACRES. THERE'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE WITHIN THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY CAN DO NEW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. OTHERS INCLUDE THE INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE, WHICH IS KIND OF CENTERED AROUND THE INTERCHANGES ON THE MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR OUT ON THE WEST [01:25:01] SIDE. AND THEN JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS SENIOR HOUSING. SO THIS WOULD BE AGE RESTRICTED 55 PLUS COMMUNITIES. SO JUST KIND OF GETTING INTO THE NUMBERS, OUR BUILDING PERMIT NUMBERS FOR 2024. THIS IS KIND OF WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD. ON TRACKING THIS WE HAD DETAILED FOR DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WE HAD 226 THIS YEAR. AND THEN FOR MULTIFAMILY, WHICH INCLUDES TOWNHOMES, APARTMENTS, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, WHAT HAVE YOU, 73 UNITS. SO TOTAL UNITS CITYWIDE FOR SINGLE FAMILY IS 27,769, WHICH IS ABOUT 73% OF ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE CITY. AND THEN FOR MULTIFAMILY, WE'RE AT 10,438 UNITS, WHICH IS THE REMAINING 27%. SO JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THE PAST FEW YEARS, I THOUGHT IT'D BE INTERESTING FOR THE COUNCIL JUST TO SEE SOME SOME OF THE TRENDS THAT WE'RE SEEING. SO 2020, WE WERE KIND OF SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPTICK IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THEN OF COURSE, THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED AND, YOU KNOW, PRICES STARTED GOING UP. AND SO THE FED STARTED RAISING INTEREST RATES. AND WE'VE KIND OF SEEN SOME OF THE EFFECTS OF THAT IN HIGHER PRICES AND FEWER BUILDING PERMITS. SO THIS YEAR WE'VE SEEN KIND OF A KIND OF AN UNUSUAL UPTICK IN THOSE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S IN MAYBE IN ANTICIPATION OF CHANGES IN IN THE INTEREST RATES, WE HOPE. BUT YEAH SO FAR IT'S LOOKING UP IN IN THAT REGARD. THEN MULTIFAMILY UNITS THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN JUST BECAUSE IN THE WAY THEY THEY COME IN. SO MULTIFAMILY UNITS TYPICALLY COME IN ALL AT ONCE. TOWNHOMES ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE SINGLE FAMILY. BUT A LOT OF THE TIMES YOU'LL GET LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, COME IN WITH TWO 500 UNITS. AND SO THE NUMBERS CAN EITHER BE ALL OVER THE PLACE REALLY HIGH ONE YEAR AND REALLY LOW THE NEXT. SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF HOW IT GOES. SO WHAT THIS ALL MEANS IS ESSENTIALLY THAT FOR THIS YEAR, THE THAT RATIO OF 77% TO 23% HAS NOT BEEN MET. WHAT WE WOULD NEED IS 7176 ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES JUST TO GET TO THE BREAK EVEN POINT. AND THAT'S ASSUMING NO ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY UNITS ARE BUILT UNDER THE EXCEPTIONS, WHICH USUALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN. SO. SO BASICALLY, FOR THE TIME BEING, NO NEW MULTIFAMILY UNITS CAN BE BUILT EXCEPT UNDER THOSE EXCEPTIONS. SO ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER ROBERTS? YES. SO JUST KIND OF A CLARIFICATION THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD LAST YEAR. SO THE MULTI-FAMILIES THAT ARE BUILT UNDER EXCEPTIONS STILL COUNT TO THE RATIO, BUT WE'RE APPROVING THEM OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT BLACKLIST, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. YEAH. CORRECT. YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. ALL RIGHT. SCOTT, ALSO JUST JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT THAT DOWNTICK IN NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, MARK COVERED MOST OF THAT. ANOTHER REASON WHY THOSE NUMBERS WERE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN NORMAL IS THAT WE HAD SOME CHALLENGES OUT WEST WITH OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'VE GOT TANKS UP IN PRESSURE ZONES FIVE AND SIX NOW AND, AND THAT THAT SHOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL GROWTH OUT IN THE JONES RANCH, THE DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS WOOD RANCH OR TERRAIN AS THEY CALL I. NOW THAT'S COMING ONLINE. YOU'LL WE'LL WE EXPECT TO SEE A LOT MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THIS, THIS COMING YEAR. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WHERE DID THE 7723 PERCENTAGE COME FROM? SO ORIGINALLY THAT WELL IT'S THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS. SO THAT WAS THE ORDINANCE THAT STEMMED FROM. WELL THAT RATIO STEMMED FROM A GOAL THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL GENERAL PLAN BEFORE WE DID THE UPDATE IN. THE 2012 GENERAL PLAN. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM. IS THAT REVISITED FROM TIME TO TIME TO SEE IF THAT'S STILL AN [01:30:01] APPROPRIATE PERCENTAGE? YEAH. SO WE THE LAST TIME WE DID THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WAS JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. BUT A LOT OF THOSE GOALS AND POLICIES WERE TAKEN OUT AND REPLACED WITH ONLY SEVERAL, ONLY A HANDFUL OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES. SO THAT RATIO SPECIFICALLY IS NOT NECESSARILY IN THE GENERAL PLAN OR IN THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. BUT BUT WAS PRIOR TO THE CHANGE. BUT SO IT'S NOT IN THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT IT REMAINS IN THE ORDINANCE AS IT STANDS. CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT THAT RATIO IS IN THE ORDINANCE. THANKS. FOR SOME OF YOU THAT WEREN'T HERE LIKE 15 YEARS AGO WHEN THE SO-CALLED IT WAS CALLED A CAP AND TRADE WAS DONE THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THOSE STATS AND STATISTICS ORIGINALLY CAME FROM. AT THAT TIME, THE CITY WAS GOING ONE WAY AND THE CITIZENS WANTED TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. AND SO THE CITY COUNCIL MADE THAT ORDINANCE, AND NOW THEY'VE RENAMED IT TO WHAT IT IS NOW. BUT THAT'S WHERE IT KIND OF ALL STEMMED FROM. AND WE'VE WE'VE DISCUSSED A FEW TIMES OVER THE YEAR, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN EVER A VIGOROUS DEBATE, BUT WE'VE WE'VE TALKED A FEW TIMES ABOUT WHAT THIS ACTUALLY MEANS. AND IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO REVISIT OR EVEN REMOVE IT. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY. LARRY HAS A VERY PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT FOR KEEPING IT IN PLACE. AND LEGITIMATELY, I MEAN, THAT IT IS IT'S A POSITIVE THING FOR US TO KEEP IT BECAUSE IT PROVIDES SOME FORM OF CHECK AND BALANCE THAT WE HAVE, EVEN THOUGH AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE DEVELOPABLE SPACE THAT DOESN'T FIT THE EXCEPTIONS WITHIN THE CITY. BUT THIS IS A WAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL THAT SOMEWHAT. YEAH, TO BE CLEAR, TO ADD ON TO THAT, IF I MAY, THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS SEVERAL TOOLS THAT THEY COULD USE TO GUIDE AND DIRECT GROWTH. WE MENTIONED THE GENERAL PLAN THAT'S A GUIDING POLICY DOCUMENT, IF YOU WILL. WE HAVE THE ORDINANCES ARE IN PLACE. MANY CITIES, MANY CITIES JUST RELY ON OUR ON THEIR GENERAL PLAN AND THEIR THEIR TYPICAL EUCLIDEAN ZONING. THIS IS JUST AN EXTRA LAYER THAT THAT'S HELPED DIRECT GROWTH INTO SPECIFIC AREAS. LIKE MARK MENTIONED, FOR AREAS THAT ARE PRIMED AND READY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER IT BE LIGHT RAIL OR HIGH TRANSIT TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS. AND SO THIS IS WHAT BACK IN 2013, THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THIS AS AN EXTRA LAYER TO HELP THEM HELP THE STAFF AND BE PREDICTABLE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO SAY, HEY, IF YOU DEVELOP IN WEST JORDAN, THIS IS THE EXPECTATION. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU MARK. I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.