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IT'S FOUR O'CLOCK AND I WILL CALL TO ORDER THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING FOR TUESDAY, JANUARY 14TH, 2025.UM, JUST A REAL QUICK, SINCE WE HAVE A LOT OF STUDENTS HERE TODAY.
SO THE WAY WE SET UP THIS MEETING IS OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ON TUESDAYS, AND WE, UH, HAVE IT TWICE A MONTH NOW.
UH, THE FIRST TWO AND A HALF HOURS ARE WHAT THEY CALL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.
SO THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETS TOGETHER WITH STAFF AND WE DISCUSS ITEMS WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT FOR FUTURE OR, OR STUFF THAT'S COMING UP, UH, QUICKLY.
UH, AT SIX 30 WE WILL ADJOURN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANNA STAY THAT LONG.
YOU CAN MAKE IT THAT DECISION ON YOUR OWN.
UM, AND THEN AT SEVEN O'CLOCK WE'LL HAVE THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
SO, AS FAR AS YOUR ASSIGNMENTS GO, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO STAY THAT LONG,
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UH, SO WE WILL START TODAY WITH, UH, ONE OF OUR FAVORITE TOPICS, 90TH SOUTH.RIGHT? UM, SO TODAY WE HAVE BRIAN AND HIS TEAM, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THE CONCEPTS THAT HAVE BEEN SENT TO US.
I THINK MOST OF US HAVE SEEN THE CONCEPTS THERE, AND WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION THERE.
SO, BRIAN, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU AND IF YOU WANNA KIND OF LEAD US INTO WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT AND HOW WE CAN DISCUSS, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND COUNCIL, UH, REAL QUICK, I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE, UH, KAYLENE.
WHITELOCK IS NOW OUR VICE CHAIR AND WE WILL, UH, MAKE THAT OFFICIAL TONIGHT IN OUR SEVEN O'CLOCK MEETING.
OH, AND ALSO ZACH JACOB, OUR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER, IS HE ONLINE WITH US? WARREN EXCUSE GONNA JOIN US ONLINE.
SO, COUNCIL MEMBER JACK, ZACH.
JACK, JACOB, ZACH JACOB IS NOT HERE AND WILL JOIN US, UH, ONLINE.
COUNCIL, UH, BACK IN THE, UH, SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME WHEN WE WERE GOING OVER THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT GOT BROUGHT UP ON THE 90TH SOUTH, UH, ALL BEING OUR NEW BINGHAM HIGHWAY CONNECTION, ALONG WITH DUCK RIDGE CONNECTED INTO THAT ROAD.
UH, IT WAS REQUESTED FROM COUNCIL THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME DIFFERENT CONCEPTS COME BACK, REVIEW ON WHAT'S GONNA WORK BEST, UH, FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE RESIDENTS.
UM, WE, UH, HIRED WCG, THIS IS JEREMY SRO, WCG.
HE'S, HE, HIS FIRM IS THE, UH, FIRM THAT DID THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.
SO WE HAD THAT, WE HAD THEM REACH OUT.
WE HAD THEM MODEL 12 DIFFERENT, UH, DESIGNS.
UM, WE JUST WANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE A, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY OPEN RIGHT NOW FOR 90 ITSELF.
THIS IS PART OF THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
SO WE NEED TO DECIDE WHICH ROUTE WE WE NEED TO GO.
WE GOTTA MOVE THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FORWARD SO WE CAN DO THAT CONNECTION.
WE'RE OPEN TO THE FEEDBACK, SO PLEASE, UH, LET US KNOW.
WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO JEREMY AND YOU CAN GO OVER HIS, HIS, UH, PRESENTATION AND WHAT THEY FOUND IN MODELING THESE.
UM, GREAT, UH, BACKGROUND THERE.
SO, AGAIN, NAME'S JEREMY SRO WITH WCG.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH C ON THIS FOR, FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW.
UM, THIS IS MY FAVORITE TOPIC, SO I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE AND TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I ALSO HAVE, CAN I TAKE ONE SECOND? I JUST HEARD, PLEASE, ZACH.
JACOB DID JOIN US ON ZOOM, SO, OH.
JUST TO MAKE A NOTE THAT ZACH, JACOB GIVES MY US THANKS.
UM, I ALSO HAVE DAVE HERE, UH, MY COWORKER.
HE CAN, UH, GIVE DETAILS ON, ON TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THESE DESIGNS.
UM, BUT I WANNA EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON THE BACKGROUND HERE.
WE DID ALSO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THAT.
AND AS WE DID THAT, WE, WE BRAINSTORMED AND THOUGHT THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UM, IN THE PAST, WE'VE KIND OF NARROWED THOSE DOWN.
UH, 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE, YOU'LL SEE, UH, THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS, SOME OF THESE OPTIONS, RIGHT? AND SO WE HAD KIND OF NARROWED THOSE DOWN.
BUT WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT, UH, THAT, THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE ALL THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING THOSE TO YOU TONIGHT.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH, WITH NUMBER ONE AND WE'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THESE QUICKLY.
THEY, THEY'RE IN YOUR COUNCIL PACKETS.
UM, I HOPE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE.
UM, BUT THE OPTION ONE IS THE NO BUILD.
WE JUST, WE JUST LEAVE IT HOW IT IS.
UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME ISSUES WITH THIS.
WE DID, WE DID A, A STUDY ON THIS.
UM, WE, WITHOUT THIS CONNECTION, UM, YOU SEE SOME VERY DRAMATIC FAILURES IN THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE SURROUNDING THIS.
UM, SOME MAJOR QUEUING AND DELAYS AROUND THIS.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH HAPPENING ON THE WEST SIDE.
I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S NOT NEWS TO ANYONE IN THIS ROOM.
UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING OUT THERE AND, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE THESE CONNECTIONS.
90 IS SOUTH IN PARTICULAR IS ONE THAT HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR MANY YEARS, AND IN FACT HAS BEEN ON, UM, BOTH THE CITY'S MASTER PLAN AND THE WFRC REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN SINCE THE LATE NINETIES.
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THIS HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, 30 YEARS IN, IN THE MAKING.SO MAY I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE NOBEL? UH, YES, PLEASE.
I HAVE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THAT IF, EVEN IF WEST JORDAN CITY DID NOT WANT UDOT TO CONNECT 90TH SOUTH THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION, UDOT WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT ANYWAY.
UH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE.
NOW, I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THE COUNCIL FEELS AS A WHOLE IS GONNA HAPPEN.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO NEW BINGHAM IN THE 90TH IS A
THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST ABOUT WHEN THIS CONNECTION GOES THROUGH, THAT POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE A JURISDICTIONAL TRANSFER AND THAT UDOT WOULD CONTROL 90TH ALL THE WAY TO, UM, BACKAS HIGHWAY.
AND THAT WEST JORDAN WOULD TAKE ASSUMED CONTROL OF THAT PIECE OF NEW BINGHAM, THAT DIAGONAL.
UM, SO AS FAR AS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER EXACTLY IF YOU DEALT WITH FORCE IT OR NOT, BUT I THINK NATE HAS SOME THOUGHTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DEALT WITH FORCE IT OR IF THEY WOULD DO IT THEMSELVES.
THEY KNOW IT'S BEEN ON THE REGIONAL, UH, MASTER TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN FOR MANY YEARS AND THEY'VE PLANNED THEIR NETWORK ALONG WITH SIDE WITH THE CITY.
AND IF WE DECIDED WE WEREN'T GOING TO DO IT, I THINK IT WOULD DEFINITELY JEOPARDIZE OUR ABILITY TO OBTAIN FUNDING FOR, FOR OTHER THINGS.
WELL, AND TO FIX OTHER, IT WOULD CAUSE PROBLEMS ELSEWHERE.
AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY HESITANT TO HELP FUND THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE ELSEWHERE TO SOLVE THOSE.
YOU GUYS, ME COUNTING ON THIS CONNECTION FOR A LONG TIME, WE WOULD ALSO LOSE OUR VOICE AS TO HOW THAT CONNECTION HAPPENS.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, WE, WE'VE DONE THIS, UM, THIS PLANNING CONCEPT STUDY FOR THIS LOOKED AT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UH, THE ONE THAT CAME OUT OF IT THAT IS RECOMMENDED BOTH BY UDOT AND THE CITY STAFF AND, AND THROUGH THE ANALYSIS THAT WE COMPLETED IS THIS ONE, OPTION TWO.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, NEW BINGHAM KIND OF SWINGS UP, HITS 90TH SOUTH AT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE.
90TH SOUTH, OF COURSE GOES THROUGH AND ANDRIDGE, UH, TIES IN AT A, AT A 90 DEGREE THERE.
SO WE HAVE A NEW SIGNALED INTERSECTION.
UH, WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, TURN LANE CONFIGURATION AND TURN LANE, UH, STORAGE LENGTHS AND ALL THAT.
SO, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, THE NORTH END OF NEW BINGHAM, UM, TIES IN JUST ACROSS THE BOTTOM OF THE PARK THERE.
SO ON, ON ALL OF THESE EXAMPLES, YEAH, MAYBE I CAN POINT TO IT EACH YEAR, BUT ON ALL OF THESE EXAMPLES, THIS WILL GO AWAY.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE, WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME, THERE'S SOME THAT LEAVE IT THERE, BUT I, I NEED TO MAKE CLEAR UDO'S STANDARDS FOR INTERSECTION SPACING DO NOT ALLOW INTERSECTIONS THAT CLOSE.
SO THEY, THEY DO NOT SUPPORT ONE THAT CLOSE.
AND SO YES, IN THE MAJORITY OF THESE OPTIONS, THAT GOES AWAY FOR THAT REASON.
SO THIS WOULD END UP JUST BEING AN EXTENSION OF THE PARK OR WHATEVER.
NO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? THANK YOU.
SO THIS WAS A, A LARGE ROUNDABOUT HERE.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY STUDIED PRETTY EXTENSIVELY.
UM, THERE ARE BENEFITS TO ROUNDABOUTS.
THEY, THEY CALL 'EM TRAFFIC AND THINGS, BUT AS WE STUDIED THIS, THE TRAVEL DEMAND OR THE TRAFFIC THROUGH HERE IS SO HEAVY, SO HIGH THAT A ROUNDABOUT JUST WASN'T GOING TO FUNCTION WELL HERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING ON, IT JUST WASN'T GONNA WORK.
AND AS WE LOOKED AT THAT, UM, OPERATIONALLY IT DIDN'T WORK.
UM, AND THERE'S SOME COMPLICATIONS WITH THAT WITH THE COMMS AND D THINGS.
SO IN THE END, THIS WAS NOT RECOMMENDED BY, BY US OR CITY STAFF OR YOU NOT, UM, NO, I COMMEND IT.
A FEW DAYS AGO, THIS COUNSEL HEARD ME SPEAK IN DEFENSE OF ROUNDABOUTS IN THIS CASE A ALONE ROUNDABOUT.
I WOULD SPEAK AGAINST IT AS WELL.
UM, ROUNDABOUTS WORK IN CONCERT WITH OTHER ROUNDABOUTS CREATING FLOW, THIS WOULD NOT, THIS WOULD BE IN A LOG JAM.
AND I'M USUALLY A BIG COMPONENT, UH, PROPONENT OF ROUNDABOUTS.
SO DID YOU GO TO THE BILL OW, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING SCHOOL?
AND, AND HE'S ALSO A BIG PROPONENT OF ROUNDABOUTS
SO I AGREE THOUGH, IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT, ROUNDABOUT OR OPTION, THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT CONTEXT FOR THAT.
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THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR TO OUR RECOMMENDED OPTION.UM, IT STILL, UH, HAS THE NEW SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION THERE AT DUCK CREEK, BUT THE ONE CHANGE IS WE SHIFT IT TO THE EAST JUST SLIGHTLY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE, UM, I'LL CALL IT AN ALLEYWAY TO THESE, UH, LAST COUPLE OF HOMES HERE ON DUCK CREEK.
AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT GIVES THEM ACCESS, EASIER ACCESS TO THEIR HOMES.
UH, SO THEY'RE NOT CAUGHT UP IN THOSE QUEUES THAT CAN FORM BEHIND THE SIGNAL WHEN PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR THE RED LIGHT.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A WAY TO HELP APPEASE A COUPLE OF THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A LONG DRIVEWAY.
UM, I, I DO WANNA POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE, OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE.
UM, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE LAND TO ACCOMPLISH, UM, TO A COLLECTOR WITH DRIVEWAYS ON IT.
UM, MEETING AT A SIGNAL, UH, WITH AN ARTERIAL IS NOT AN UNUSUAL THING.
THERE'S DOZENS OF EXAMPLES OF THAT ACROSS SALT LAKE VALLEY AND, AND MANY HERE IN WEST JORDAN ITSELF.
SO TO HAVE A COLLECTOR WITH DRIVEWAYS ON IT NEXT, NEXT TO A SIGNAL LIKE THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL.
IT'S NOT UNCOMMON, UM, AND DOESN'T NECESSARILY NECESSITATE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
HOWEVER, IF YOU WANTED TO HELP APPEASE THOSE NEIGHBORS, THIS IS AN OPTION.
ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS, THIS IS ONE THAT I PER AND I REPRESENT THIS AREA IN THIS REPORT.
IT'S ONE, IT'S ONE THAT I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF.
UM, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE I REALLY HAD QUESTIONS ON BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO BE IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, ONE REGARDING FINANCIAL, UH, WHAT, MY QUESTION FOR THAT ONE.
UM, FOR THE FINANCIAL QUESTION THOUGH, UH, AS, LET'S SAY WE, WE GO AHEAD WITH NUMBER FOUR.
UM, ARE THERE, SORRY, I HAD IT IN HERE SOMEWHERE.
UH, WHERE IS IT? UM, TWO SECONDS.
UM, IS THERE, IS THERE STRATEGIES THAT WE CAN WORK ON, UM, LET'S SAY WE, THIS IS APPROVED THAT WOULD, UM, HELP REMAIN FINANCIALLY VIABLE DURING THIS IMPLEMENTATION AS WE WORK ON THIS ONE? BECAUSE YOU SAID THIS ONE WAS THE MOST EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S ALSO THE ONE THAT MEETS CHINA.
I, IT IT'S SLIGHT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE PREFERRED.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S OUT OF
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, 'CAUSE I WAS CONFUSED WHEN YOU SAID THAT.
I WAS LIKE, OH, BUT IS THERE WAYS WE CAN, SORRY.
NO, I'LL SHOW OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE WAY MORE EXPENSIVE.
UH, NO, THIS, THIS CAN CERTAINLY BE DONE, RIGHT? ALL I'M SAYING IS IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN, THAN THE FIRST OPTION THAT I SHOWED YOU.
UM, BUT IT, IT CAN, IT CAN CERTAINLY BE DONE.
UM, WHEN DO WE EXPECT THAT ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY TO BE FINISHED? GREAT QUESTION.
UM, WE'VE PUT IT ON HOLD JUST A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE CAN GET YOUR FEEDBACK.
UM, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
UM, DAVE, OUR SCHEDULE, I BELIEVE IS BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL, WE HAVE STARTED THAT PROCESS AND PART OF BEING ABLE TO FINALIZE THAT PROCESS IS LOOKING AT WHAT FOOTPRINT WE'RE EVALUATING.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, WHY WE'RE MEETING PARTIALLY WHY WE'RE MEETING, FIGURE OUT WHICH OF THESE OPTIONS WE WANT TO, UH, BET THROUGH THAT ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS.
BUT JEREMY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS FOR THAT ENVIRONMENTAL.
WOULD YOU LIKE I COULD TAKE YOU CHAIR AND SIT BY J JEREMY.
I'M TOTALLY FINE RIGHT HERE, BUT THANK YOU.
I'M NOT TURNING THIS WAY TIME YOU TALK.
SO LET'S SAY WE, LET'S SAY WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OPTION FOUR.
UM, WHAT ARE SOME MITIGATION MEASURES, UH, BEYOND SIGNAGE AND ENFORCEMENT THAT CAN IMPROVE RESIDENT SATISFACTION, LIKE WITH NOISE SAFETY AND THINGS LIKE THAT? UH, BECAUSE I KNOW, UM, RESIDENTS ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY ASPECT, WHAT FOR WHATEVER WE CHANGE ON HERE.
UM, AND THERE, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, IN, IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE STUDIED ON THERE WAS, WAS THE SPEED LIMIT ON 90TH.
WE WANNA KEEP THAT, THAT AT 40 BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CORRIDOR.
UM, AND, AND OF COURSE THAT, UH, ANOTHER THAT PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH SAFETY IS PEDESTRIANS AND CROSSING, RIGHT? UM, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A, A KEY THING.
SO THERE ARE, SO WITH THIS WE WOULD HAVE SIGNAL ICE CROSSING SO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A LIGHT TO CROSS WITH.
SO THAT WOULD HELP PROTECT PEDESTRIANS.
HERE YOU WOULD HAVE A SIMILAR SIGNAL OVER ON 6490TH THAT'S PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE ONCE IT MEETS VOLUME WARRANTS.
AND SO THAT WOULD ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS SAFELY THERE TOO.
AND THAT ALSO LEADS UP TO THE STOOL ANTELOPE.
UM, SO THEY COULD, UM, BUT REALISTICALLY, YES, AND, AND THIS IS WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS OUT THERE.
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REALISTICALLY, A SIGNALIZE CROSSING IS GOING TO ISOLATE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING GO OUT AND TRY TO CROSS 90TH SOUTH.I MEAN, YOU, YOU SEE, I MEAN I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD USE THE WORD NOBODY, BUT I MEAN YEAH, I DON'T EITHER.
THAT'S A POINT I WE DO IT AT 90TH AND 40TH.
AND SO ARE THERE NO MATTER WHAT, NO MATTER WHAT OPTION WE PICK, IS THERE A WAY TO DO CROSSINGS BETTER AT 90TH THAN JUST SAY, OH, TAKE YOUR CHANCES ABOUT CROSSING A SIGNAL AND HOPE YOU DON'T GET HIT BY SOMEBODY RUNNING A RED LIGHT? IT, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE WANTS TO CROSS A BUSY FIVE LANE ROAD, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME RIGHT? AT 90TH AND MANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS THE STATE CROSS 90TH TO 22ND, BUT FIVE TIMES A WEEK AND OR 10 TIMES SINCE
SO YEAH, IT HAPPENS AS FAR AS SAFETY MEASURES FOR THAT, UM, WE COULD, WE PLAN TO DO IMPROVED LIGHTING OBVIOUSLY AT THE SIGNALS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IN, IN ALL TIMES OF DAY.
UM, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT'S CALLED LEADING PEDESTRIAN INTERVALS.
UM, THAT'S A SIGNAL TIMING TERM TO WHERE, UH, RATHER THAN, UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN AT THE SIGNAL AND CROSSED, TYPICALLY YOU PUSH THE BUTTON AND YOU GO AT THE SAME TIME AS VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING THE SAME DIRECTION AS YOU.
RIGHT? UM, A LEADING PEDESTRIAN INTERVAL, ACTUALLY YOU CAN PROGRAM IT SO THAT THE PEDESTRIAN STARTS A COUPLE OF SECONDS BEFORE THE VEHICLES.
AND SO THEY GET OUT INTO THE CROSSWALK AFTER EVERYBODY STOPPED AND YOU CAN SEE THEM AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT THERE AND PROMINENT BEFORE THE VEHICLES START GOING.
SO THAT HELPS REDUCE CRASHES FROM LIKE RIGHT TURNERS OR LEFT TURNERS INTO THE CROSSWALK.
AND SO THAT'S ONE SAFETY MEASURE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT TO HELP IMPROVE SAFETY AS WELL.
IT, GIVEN THAT THIS IS 90TH, THERE'S PROBABLY NO WAY TO DO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD REFUGE.
'CAUSE WE'RE USING THAT SPACE FOR, FOR LEFT TURN BUCKETS.
UM, THOSE WORK WELL AT LIKE T INTERSECTIONS WHEN YOU HAVE SOME EXTRA SPACE THERE FOR THOSE, THOSE
WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, WHAT ABOUT THE INTERSECTION THAT'S BETWEEN THE, THE NEW ONE AND 6,400 WEST THAT'S, THAT CONNECTS THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, IS THERE, COULD THERE BE A RAISED, UH, RAISED CROSS THERE WITH A REFUGE EXCEPT THERE WOULDN'T BE A LIGHT THERE TO STOP THE TRAFFIC EXACTLY.
SO CROSSWALKS BY WHAT WE LOOKED AT THIS, IT DOESN'T MEET THE, THE WARRANT CRITERIA FOR A FULL SIGNAL.
UM, THERE ARE FEDERAL CRITERIA IN THE M-E-T-C-D FOR THAT.
WHEN IT'S WARRANTED, IT WOULD NOT MEET THAT.
THE VOLUME, JUST LIKE THE FLASHING.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT FLASHERS.
YOU KIND OF A HAWK SIGNAL, RIGHT? TYPICALLY YOU DON'T PUT HAWK SIGNALS AT INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE IT ONLY CONTROLS THE MAIN LINE.
SO USUALLY THOSE ARE KIND OF MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED, BUT WE'D PROBABLY RECOMMEND IT BE OFFSET A LITTLE FROM THE, THE INTERSECTION.
UM, THERE'S ALSO THINGS LIKE RRR FBS OR RECTANGULAR RAPID FLASHING BEACONS.
THOSE ARE KIND OF THE FLASHERS MAYBE THAT YOU'VE TALKED, THAT YOU'VE SEEN THE OVERHEAD.
BUT HONESTLY, UM, UDOT, IF THEY LOOK AT THIS, THEY'RE GONNA SAY YOU HAVE A SIGNAL ON EITHER SIDE THAT'S ALREADY A PROTECTED PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
WE WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO TO THAT.
UM, THAT, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT UDO'S RESPONSE WOULD BE IN THIS SITUATION, WHAT IS A LONG-TERM OUTLOOK FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD INTERSECTION? IS IT GONNA BE A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT KIND OF THING? HAVE AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE? GREAT QUESTION.
WE STUDIED THIS THROUGH 2050, UM, AND IT STILL OPERATED, I BELIEVE, AT LEVEL SERVICE D INTO 2050.
UM, MEANING WE DON'T SEE A REASON AT THIS POINT TO PUT A RAISE MEDIAN ACROSS.
I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY NEVER HAPPEN.
UM, BUT OPERATIONALLY WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT.
SO YOU NOT MAY LOOK AT THAT IF THERE'S A LOT OF CRASHES THERE, THEY MAY TRY AND DO SOMETHING TO MITIGATE THAT, BUT AT THIS POINT, UM, I DON'T SEE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, REGARDING, UH, NOW THAT THE 8,600 SOUTH BRIDGE IS OPEN YEAH.
DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER DISCUSSING, CONDUCTING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC MODELING TO CONFIRM THE IMPACT OF OPTION FOUR ON DECK RIDGE ROAD? GREAT QUESTION.
SO, UM, WE, WHEN WE DID OUR, OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY, WE INCLUDED TRAFFIC MODELING WITH THAT BRIDGE OPEN, UM, AND ALL, ALL THE WAY THROUGH 2050.
AND WHEN YOU SAY MODELING, YOU MAY BE THINKING OF COUNTS.
SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
BUT WHEN WE MODEL, WE MODEL INTO THE FUTURE AND WE LOOK AT HOW THINGS WILL OPERATE IN THE FUTURE WITH, WITH, UH, NEW HOMES BUILT OUT THERE AND NEW GROWTH AND NEW ROADS
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CONNECTED TO THE NEW BRIDGE AND ALL THAT.IT'S NOT IN PRACTICALITY NOW THAT IT'S OPEN BECAUSE IT JUST OPENED TRUE.
AND, AND SO WE, WE ARE KIND OF PROJECTING TO THE FUTURE AND WE, WE USE THE BEST THAT WE HAVE.
UM, NATE, UH, NESTOR JUST DID A TRAFFIC COUNT OUT THERE, WHICH IS AWESOME.
AND, AND NESTOR, I'M FILLING YOUR THUNDER HERE, BUT HE DID, HE DID A GREAT JOB WITH THIS.
UM, THAT BRIDGE IS ALREADY PICKING UP WHAT, 3,500 AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA KEEP UP.
SO, SO PEOPLE ARE USING IT AND IN FACT, THE KEY THING THERE IS DUCK RIDGE VOLUMES DECREASED PRETTY DRAMATICALLY.
SO PEOPLE, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME DOWN TO 90TH TO CROSS, THEY'RE GOING ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED.
UM, AND UH, AND HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IT OUT THERE.
NESTOR, DID I MISS ANYTHING ON THAT? NO, THE, THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ON THAT RIDGE WERE, UH, ABOUT 1500 CARS A DAY, EVEN SUMMER SEASON.
AND, UH, THE RECENT COUNTS DROPPED TO 300.
SO MOST OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WAS CREATED SEASONALLY, BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE GOING TO THE REC CENTER, TO THE, UM, SCHOOL FIELDS AFTER FIVE, AFTER SIX O'CLOCK.
UH, THE TRAFFIC THAT WAS GOING SOUTHBOUND NOW, SO THEY HAVE BEEN SHIFT BECAUSE, AND WERE THESE DONE, UM, AT VARIOUS TIMES OF THE DAY OR WHAT TIME OF THE DAY? LIKE, 'CAUSE I KNOW LIKE COMING HERE AT THIS FOUR O'CLOCK TIME, I HAD NO IDEA SCHOOL COMING OUT WOULD TAKE A LOT LONGER FOR ME TO GET HERE TODAY VERSUS WHEN WE HAD OUR MEETINGS AT SIX
SO WE ONLY THREE COUNTS TO AVERAGE.
TWO HOURS GO, UH, DAILY TRAFFIC AND TAKING ABOUT, UH, TRAFFIC 67, 2 80 CARS 300 WAS THE HIGHEST AVERAGE.
MY OTHER QUESTIONS ARE FOR COUNCIL, BUT EXCEPT FOR, UM, LET'S SAY WE START WITH THIS ON, UM, OPTION FOUR.
WHAT, UM, WHAT CAN WE DO EFFORT WISE TO ASSURE THE RESIDENTS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION THAT THINGS WILL RUN SMOOTHLY AND NOT, UH, CREATE QUITE THE HAVOC LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER CONSTRUCTIONS, LIKE THE
AND WHEN WE DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WE ALWAYS, ALWAYS TAKE, TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE RESIDENT HEAD UP, HEADS UP, AND WE MONITOR THE CONTRACTOR TO HAVE INSPECTORS AND STAY ON THOSE GUYS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE, ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES IS BE OUR PROJECT.
THAT, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
AND I THINK, UM, WELL ACTUALLY I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UH, THIS IS PARTIALLY FOR THE COUNCIL.
WOULD SOMETHING LIKE A PUBLIC WORKSHOP OR OUR, UM, TOUT HALL, UH, BE USEFUL FOR THE FINAL APPROVAL TO HELP ADDRESS ANY REMAINING RESIDENTS OR COUNCIL CONCERNS? WE, UH, WE DID HAVE A, WE HAVE TIME PUBLIC WORKSHOP.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING TOO.
THAT'S, I WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE JUST IN CASE WE'RE COVERING ALL THE BASES.
WE, WE, WE DID HAVE A, A WORKSHOP WITH RESIDENTS EARLY ON.
WHAT, WHEN WE WENT OVER THE, THIS IS, THIS WAS PRESENTED IN THE, WHEN WE ADOPTED THE MASTER PLAN.
THIS IS REALLY JUST A SLIGHT TWEAK TO WHAT WAS ALREADY PUBLICLY DISCUSSED.
AND SO JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE COVERING OUR BASES.
I THINK, I THINK IT WOULDN'T HURT TO HAVE ONE WHERE, AND THIS IS YOUR AREA, BUT UM, AN INFORMATIONAL ONE, RIGHT? YEAH, I AGREE.
THEY'RE COMING IN TO TELL US HOW THEY WANNA CHANGE, BUT MORE AN INFORMATIONAL ONE.
WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT, WHAT THE IMPACT IS, IF THERE'LL BE CLOSURES WHEN THOSE MIGHT BE HOW WE'LL ALERT THEM TO IT.
THAT'S BUILT INTO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL DOC.
THAT BE, THAT'LL BE PART, DO WE NEED, WE NEED TO ALLOCATE SOME MONEY SO THAT WE CAN BUY A COUPLE MORE BLACKSTONES FOR THE MAYOR TO CONCO DOGS.
LIKE, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET AS MANY PEOPLE OUT.
I KNOW THAT NESTOR AND OTHERS HELD SEVERAL UM, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
SO THAT, THAT HAS BEEN, AND YES, IT IS PART OF OUR, PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY AS WELL TO DO DUE TO TIME.
LET'S MOVE OVER WITH THE OTHER OPTIONS.
YOU HAD LIKE 12, DIDN'T YOU? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
UM, THANK YOU FOR FIXING THAT
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TIMING.UM, BRIAN, AS WE GO, DO YOU FOLKS WANT US TO TELL YOU YES OR NO? WE MIGHT CONSIDER THIS ONE.
NO, WE WEREN'T CONSIDERING ONE.
YEAH, WE JUST, WE JUST WANT SOME FEEDBACK.
BUT WE GOT THE SUPPORT TO GET THIS GOING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL THE OTHER, WHEN DO YOU WANT THAT FEEDBACK? DO YOU WANT IT? WELL, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT TODAY, SO NO, I MEAN, AS WE'RE GOING, I MEAN, WE JUST HAD NUMBER FOUR.
YEAH, WE JUST HAD NUMBER FOUR.
DO YOU WANT US, DO YOU WANT US TO YEAH, THAT, SO YES, THAT WOULD WORK.
OR IS MY NUMBER ONE? SO IF ONE, IF I WERE GOING TO PICK THE ONES THAT YOU UDOT AND STAFF SUPPORTED, IF I WERE TO PICK THE ONE THAT I LIKED THE BEST, IT'S NOT ONE THAT CITI AND STAFF SUPPORTED.
AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY AN, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, THE NEXT ONE ON THE, THE NEXT ONE COMING UP, I LIKE BETTER.
BUT IF I WERE GOING TO PICK ONE THAT BOTH THE STAFF AND UDOT COULD SUPPORT, IT WOULD BE THIS ONE.
BECAUSE LIKE I TOLD YOU BEFORE WE STARTED THE MEETING, I THINK WITH THE, WITH THE AREA BETWEEN THE SIGNAL AND THE INTERSECTION WHERE THOSE LINES CROSS, WE CAN PUT SOME GOOD TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES, SOME BULBS OR A MINI TRAFFIC CIRCLE OR SOMETHING THAT HELP KEEP TRAFFIC SLOW GOING THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I WOULD PREFER THIS ONE BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN DO THAT BETTER.
AND IT PROTECTS THE HOUSES AT THE END OF DUN RIDGE THAT WE DON'T WANT 'EM RIGHT ON THE CORNER AT 90 TO SELL AND SIGNAL.
SO I'VE, I'VE HEARD A FEW PEOPLE SAY THIS IS THEIR PREFERRED OPTION.
ARE THERE FOUR OF YOU THAT YOU'D BE OKAY MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS? WELL, WE TALK ABOUT THE OTHER SEVEN OPTIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO BEFORE WE VOTE ON SOMETHING.
AND I KNOW ZACH HAS SOME QUESTIONS ON FIVE.
SO PRESENT FIVE FOR US AND THEN ZACH, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR QUESTION.
YEAH, SO HERE'S OPTION FIVE, UH, FOR THE SOUTH END WHERE NEW BINGHAM TIES IN, VERY SIMILAR TO PREVIOUS EXAMPLES.
WHAT THIS DOES IS IT JUST CUL-DE-SACS, UH, DUCK RIDGE AND THEN CONNECTS, UH, AROUND THE PARK.
I HAVE TO, UH, SORRY IF I'M STOPPING YOU IN YOUR TRACKS, BUT GO AHEAD.
IN THIS PLAN, WHY DOES THERE NEED TO BE A SIGNAL GOING OFF OF 90TH ONTO NEW BINGHAM? WHY CAN'T IT JUST BE LIKE, UH, WELL BINGHAM HIGHWAY AND 90TH SOUTH? WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THE VOLUMES HERE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGH, RIGHT? YOU HAVE SO MANY, YOU MEET THE WARRANTS FOR IT, ONE, BUT TWO OPERATIONALLY IT WILL NOT FUNCTION WELL, UH, WITHOUT A SIGNAL IT WILL FAIL TOO MANY CARS.
AND THREE, I'LL JUST SAY YOU'D HAVE TO STUDY IT OLD BINGHAM AND THAT ALSO WARRANTS A SIGNAL NOW.
SO, UM, AND I MISSED THAT FILTER VIEW, MR. BUT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT YEAH, SO IT FUNCTIONALLY IT WILL NOT WORK WITH US.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UH, THE, THE, THE CONFLICT THAT I'M SEEING ON THE TOP TWO BULLETS AND PROS AND CONS.
ONE SAYS NO CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC ON DUCK RIDGE ROAD AND THE OTHER ONE SAYS INCREASED CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC IN THE DUCK RIDGE NEIGHBORHOOD.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? THAT YEAH.
YEAH, IT SIMILAR IDEAS BUT DIFFERENT.
SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC FROM 90TH OR NEW BINGHAM GOING UP DUCK, HOWEVER, YOU'VE NOW CUT OFF THE DUCK BRIDGE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS AREA, THEIR ACCESS TO 90TH.
AND SO THEY HAVE TO CUT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THESE STREETS TO GO AROUND TO GET TO 90TH.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO THAT, RIGHT? UM, AND, AND I, I KNOW THOSE PROBABLY WEREN'T WORDED CORRECTLY, BUT THERE IS STILL CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
'CAUSE NOW THEY CAN'T HAVE THAT DIRECT ACCESS TONIGHT.
BUT IN THAT CASE, WOULDN'T THAT CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC BE MOSTLY INTER NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC AS OPPOSED TO INTRA NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC? IN OTHER WORDS, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT TRAFFIC NOW THAT YOU'RE INCREASING IS FROM HOMES THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND VICE VERSA, BUT NOT MORE REGIONAL TRAFFIC THAT YOU MIGHT GET GOING UP DUCK RIDGE FROM 90TH TO CONNECT TO 86 OR 8,200 AND ALL THE WAY UP YOU ARE.
UM, MY, MY CLARIFICATION OF THAT IS TYPICALLY IT'S, IT USUALLY IS THE LOCAL TRAFFIC THAT IS THE CUT THROUGH.
THERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF REASON FOR PEOPLE NECESSARILY TO USE THIS TO CUT THROUGH REGIONALLY BECAUSE THERE'S MUCH BETTER ROUTES AND WAYS TO DO THAT, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT, IF YOU'RE GOING REGIONALLY, YOU'VE GOT MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR, YOU'VE GOT 6,400, YOU'VE GOT UH, BACKAS HIGHWAY, THERE'S BETTER WAYS TO GO NORTH SOUTH THAN DUCK RIDGE.
AND SO PEOPLE AREN'T GENERALLY GONNA CUT THROUGH HERE.
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AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTION.AND SO WHETHER IT'S THE NEIGHBORS COMING OUT TO 90TH OR IT'S THE NEIGHBORS CUTTING THROUGH THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO AROUND TO 90TH, IT'S GENERALLY THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING IT.
SO I'M PERSONALLY AGAINST THIS ONE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF CONNECTION ON TEN NINE SOUTH.
AND I, I'M TOTALLY IN YOUR CAMP ON THAT ONE.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE THEIR, UH, CONNECTION CONNECTIVITY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THEY, ANOTHER POINT IS YOU GET A LOT OF THE EVENTS TRAFFIC, THEY, THEY GOING TO THE SPORTS FIELDS AND THEY'RE GONNA BE CUTTING THROUGH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS YEAH.
TO WORK THEIR WAY TO THE FIELDS.
AND THAT COULD BE MORE OF A REGIONAL DRAW, LIKE YOU SAID.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S BETTER WAYS TO GET THERE TO GO WITH THE SAME, THE SAME LOGIC.
TAKING THE BRIDGE OVER 86 IS, IS A BETTER WAY TO GET THERE THAN GOING 90TH AND THEN CUTTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO THE FIELDS IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE SOUTH.
WELL IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE SOUTH, IT STILL MAKES SENSE.
WELL, YEAH, IT STILL MAKES SENSE TO GO TO 86 AND COME IN.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? I KNOW I, I WAS TOLD I NEED TO HURRY THROUGH THESE, SO I'M TRYING
SO THIS CUL-DE-SACS DUCK RIDGE, UM, BUT CONNECTS IT OVER TO THE, THE NORTH END OF NEW BINGHAM UP THROUGH THE PARK.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW ISSUES WITH THIS.
UM, ONE, IT PUTS THE INTERSECTION AT 90TH AT KU.
UM, AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT FORCES PEOPLE TO USE THE CONNECTION THROUGH THE PARK.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS PLAYING AND, AND CROSSING AND GOING THROUGH THERE.
AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE WANNA ENCOURAGE.
UM, AND AGAIN, CUTS OFF THAT CONNECTIVITY WITH RIDGE, WHICH AS WE TALKED ABOUT HAS ITS OWN ISSUES WITH CUT.
I DON'T THINK I COULD SUPPORT THIS ONE.
SO LET ME, LET ME JUST CLARIFY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
WE WOULD RATHER PUT TRAFFIC ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF HOMES THAN THROUGH THE PARK.
WE WOULD, THE BEST THING TO DO IS PROVIDE AS MANY OPTIONS AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE PRO WE SPREAD THE TRAFFIC OUT.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE START CUTTING THINGS OFF IS WE CONDENSE TRAFFIC INTO TO SINGLE AREAS OR SINGLE ARTERIALS OR COLLECTORS AND THAT CAUSES PROBLEMS. AND SO WHEN WE PROVIDE OPTIONS HERE, UM, PEOPLE CAN USE DUCT RAGE, THEY CAN USE, UH, THE ROAD THROUGH THE PARK.
AND SO NOT A SINGLE ROAD IS CARRYING ALL THAT DEMAND.
SO AGAIN, KIND OF ANOTHER CONFIGURATION HERE.
THIS AGAIN CONNECTS OVER TO, UH, THE NORTH END OF NEW BINGHAM AND DUCK RIDGE KIND OF SWINGS OVER TO TEES IN, UM, THIS PROVIDES THAT CONNECTIVITY BUT STILL HAS THAT ISSUE WITH THE SKEW.
UH, OBVIOUSLY IT TAKES A LOT MORE PROPERTY AND, AND COST TO DO THAT.
THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY MY FAVORITE.
THIS ONE'S THE CLOSEST ONE TO THE, TO THE DESIGN THAT I CAME UP WITH.
THIS ONE SEEMS VERY SIMILAR TO FOUR.
UM, BUT IT, I GUESS IT HAS THAT ANGLE, THE INTERSECTION IT DOES.
WELL WHAT THIS ONE DOES IS IT MEETS TO THE RIGHT INSTEAD OF JUST GOING THROUGH AND MEETING FARTHER UP IS REALLY WHAT IT COST WISE BETWEEN FOUR AND SEVEN.
UH, THIS ONE WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE.
DAVE, YOU GOT ANY THOUGHTS THERE?
I THINK WITH THE, WELL, WE'RE ALREADY TALKING MILLIONS FOR A ROW, SO RIGHT.
UM, MAN, I DON'T WANNA BE ON RECORD FOR THROWING OUT A NUMBER HERE,
I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS MORE ON DESIGN THAN COST.
I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S ALWAYS A COST ISSUE, BUT WE WANNA GET THE DESIGN RIGHT AND IT'S A ONE TIME COST AND FOREVER DESIGN.
BUT IF I'M OKAY WITH BOTH OF THEM, I WANNA KNOW MY COST DIFFERENCE, THEN I'M OKAY WITH BOTH OF THOSE.
UH, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS BETWEEN SEVEN AND FOUR? YEAH.
UM, AS FAR AS DESIGN GOES, NOT, SO THE, AND DAVE, I'LL HAVE YOU CHIME IN IF YOU WANT, BUT, UM, THE BIGGEST THING IS THE SKU AT THE INTERSECTION.
THAT THAT DOES NOT MEET YOU, NOT STANDARDS AND, AND THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
UM, TWO, THE OTHER ONE, WELL THIS ONE'S GOT THAT, THAT INTERSECTION
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WITH, WITH, UH, DUCK RIDGE, UH, RIGHT THERE.UM, THAT'S FAIRLY, IT BASICALLY TAKES THE TRAFFIC OFF DUCK RIDGE.
IT DIRECTS PEOPLE MORE TOWARD THE PARK.
I MEAN THAT IN SUMMARY, THAT'S, THAT'S IT.
IT REALLY DOES, DOESN'T IT? BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO TURN LEFT TO GET ONTO DUCK RIDGE INSTEAD OF JUST GOING STRAIGHT ONTO DUCK RIDGE.
YEAH, BUT THEY, THEY'D BE FINE.
THE, THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.
ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER DIFFERENCE THAT I WILL POINT OUT BETWEEN OPTION SEVEN, THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW AND OPTION FOUR, OPTION SEVEN INTRODUCES ESSENTIALLY ANOTHER LITTLE INTERSECTION.
WE HAVE MORE PURPLE LINES CROSSING HERE THAN WE DO IN FOUR.
SO OPTION SEVEN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HAS TWO PURPLE LINES CROSSING, WHEREAS OPTION FOUR ONLY HAS ONE.
SO IT'S ANOTHER CONFLICT POINT THAT WE'RE INTRODUC.
BUT I THINK THE CONFLICT WE'RE DISCUSSING ARE THOSE THREE HOMES AND THEY'LL BE FINE WITH THAT AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THAT BE THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE.
THE BUT A CONFLICT POINT CAN BE USED TO CALM TRAFFIC TOO, RIGHT? SLOW PEOPLE DOWN, SLOWS PEOPLE DOWN.
WE CAN DO AROUND ABOUT, WELL YEAH, WE, WE COULD DO ROUNDABOUTS THERE, SMALL ROUNDABOUTS 'CAUSE THAT SLOWS THE TRAFFIC DOWN OR THE BULL ABOUTS OR OTHER THINGS.
MY QUESTION IS, MY QUESTION ON NUMBER SEVEN WAS CAN, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD TAKE MORE LAND, BUT IT, YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO THIS SO THAT THE, THE ROAD DOESN'T SKEW AT THE INTERSECTION, RIGHT? YOU COULD GO INTERSECTION NORTH AND THEN THE ROAD CURVES AROUND TO THE RIGHT MORE SO THAT IT'S STRAIGHT OFF THE INTERSECTION AND CURVES AROUND TO THE, TO THE PROPOSAL.
BUT I THINK THE CHALLENGE THERE, AS YOU START LAYING THIS, THAT ACTUALLY OUT IS YOU START TO HIT, YOU HAVE TO USE THIS SPACE IN FRONT OF THESE HOMES.
AND ONCE YOU'RE DOING THAT, THEN THEN YOU'RE BASICALLY USING DUCK BRIDGE.
THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM THERE TO DO TO BOTH AND MOVE THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT OTHER OPTION KIND OF DOES ANYWAY, IS THAT IT'S THAT ALLEY THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE WITH THE ROAD OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, SO BASICALLY DESIGN IT JUST LIKE FOUR, BUT THEN HAVE IT SWING OVER AT THE TOP AND THEN THAT IT WOULD SWING OVER SO IT'S NOT GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH.
IT WOULD SEND THE MESSAGE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION TO GO LEFT OR RIGHT.
UH, YEAH, AND WE COULD LAY SOMETHING OUT LIKE THAT JUST BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHAT WHAT IT WOULD BE WOULD BE A HYBRID OF FOUR AND SEVEN.
THAT MAKES, BECAUSE I MEAN I, I THINK I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THESE, I DISCARDED THIS BECAUSE CITY AND STAFF DIDN'T LIKE IT, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ROAD MEETING A LOOP ROAD AND HAVING TO GO LEFT OR RIGHT.
UM, SO THAT IT, SO THAT YOU MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION EITHER GO TO DUCK RIDGE OR GO TO UM,
AND SO I WOULD RATHER HAVE, PERSONALLY, I WOULD RATHER HAVE TWO INTERSECTIONS ON THAT ROAD JUST BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD USE IT BETTER FOR TRAFFIC CALMING AND TRAFFIC SIGNALING.
WHEN I SAY SIGNALING SIGNALING, YOU'RE NOW ENTERING YOUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I AM.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'D BE GOING WITH THAT, IS THAT I ACTUALLY LIKE THE MULTIPLE INTERSECTIONS.
BUT, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY WISE THOUGH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOW CREATING A DEAD END, NOT A CIRCLE.
SO WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR FIRE? THAT'S GOOD QUESTION.
UM, WHAT SOMETIMES IT'S ALL FIRE IN THE, IN THE STREET.
I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A FIRE LIMIT FOR HOW LONG THESE LITTLE ALLEYWAYS CAN BE.
UM, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THAT EXACT NUMBER.
150 FEET? YES, WE'D BE PUSHING THAT FOR SURE.
SO THAT WOULD BE WITHOUT A TURNAROUND.
THIS IS THE WE A TURNAROUND DOWN THERE.
BUT THIS IS THE KIND STREET THAT YOU HAVE LIKE ON 13TH EAST THAT WHERE IT BENDS AROUND TO HIGHLAND AND THERE'S THE SECONDARY STREET JUST WEST OF 13TH.
AND, AND IT DEAD ENDS IS 13TH TURNS GOES FUNKY.
I THINK MOST COMPANY, I THINK IT'S KIND OF A CIRCLE, BUT IT DOES THE SAME THING.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ON THIS? OKAY.
IT JUST LEAVES, UH, THE NORTH END OF NEW BINGHAM WHERE IT IS.
THAT WOULD BE A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS DOES NOT MEET UDO STANDARDS.
UH, THEY'RE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
SO WHAT THEY PROHIBIT US FROM DOING IT, THEY DO NOT SUPPORT IT.
WHICH IS FUNNY BECAUSE THEY JUST BUILT ON TWO 15 IN, IN, IN AND OUT, JUST
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LIKE THAT.IT'S FUNNY THAT THEY DON'T SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT THAT, IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T SUPPORT RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
IT'S JUST SO TOO CLOSE TO THE SIGNAL.
BEING THAT WE'RE USING FEDERAL FUNDS, WE'VE GOT LIKE $5 MILLION IN FEDERAL FUNDS.
SO IF IT DOESN'T MEET UDOT STANDARDS, THEN THE FEDERAL MONEY FORWARD.
BUT THE TWO 15 IS A FEDERAL HIGHWAY AND THEY
SO IT, IT'S JUST INTERESTING THE RULES FOR US, BUT THEY JUST CREATED SOMETHING JUST LIKE THAT ON AN, ON A MAJOR HIGHWAY.
SO ANYWAY, LET'S GO TO THE OF THEIR OPTIONS REAL QUICK.
YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE QUICK.
AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF YOUR STANDARD OPTION, UH, JUST CUL-DE-SAC, UH, THE ROAD UP THROUGH THE PARK.
SO RATHER THAN CONNECTING IT ACROSS THE DUCK RIDGE, UH, AGAIN, INHIBITS CONNECTIVITY, INHIBITS ACCESS TO THE PARK AND NOT, NOT SUPPORT OF THAT.
UH, THIS ONE ACTUALLY SHIFTS THE INTERSECTION TO THE WEST, GOES THROUGH THAT.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PROPERTY HERE.
UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF, OF ISSUES WITH THIS, INCLUDING INTERSECTION SPACING, UM, PROPERTY ACQUISITION THAT THIS ONE IS NOT SUPPORTED BY UDOT OR, OR US OR
WHAT IF THIS ONE WAS KIND OF COMBINED? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT IF THE WRITE IN WRITE OUT WAS AT THE EXISTING WRITE IN, WRITE OUT, SO TO SPEAK, ON GOING INTO THE PARK ON RON WOOD ON, ON NEW BINGHAM HIGHWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF, OF NEWHAM HIGHWAY? THIS ONE WELL NO, GO, GO, GO BACK.
SO YOU PUT THE INTERSECTION TO THE WEST LIKE THAT, BUT THE INSTEAD BUT CUL-DE-SAC, DUCK RIDGE AND MAKE THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT OVER AT NEW BINGHAM HIGHWAY AND THEN BRING DUCK RIDGE OVER TO THAT POINT.
SO KIND OF KINDA LIKE A COMBINATION OF THIS ONE AND NUMBER SEVEN.
SO, SO PART OF THE ISSUE HERE IS THE ACCESS S FACING HERE, UH, WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S, THAT'S TOO CLOSE AND THAT WILL NOT MEET UDOT STANDARDS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO MOVE, MOVE THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT TO THE EAST ONE INTERSECTION.
SO YOU SAW THE LIGHT TO THE WEST, NOW YOU'RE SEPARATING IT BACK OUT.
HE'S SAYING THAT THE INTER THAT INTERSECTION'S STILL PRETTY CLOSE TO THE HE HE CAN'T SEE WHEN YOU'RE POINTING.
I KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW A BETTER WAY TO REMIND ME THE, THIS IS BLURRY.
I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO SIX 50 WEST, WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS TAKE THE RIDE IN RIGHT OUT TO THE EAST WHERE YOU CAN NOW TURN IN TO GO TO THE DOG PARK AND THE RON WOOD AND THE WHATEVER ELSE IS OVER THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S THE RIDE AND RIDE OUT.
YOU BRING RIDGE AROUND TO THAT POINT.
THAT THAT FIXES THE, THAT FIXES THE ACCESS SPACING TO THE EAST, BUT IT DOESN'T FIX IT TO THE WEST TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT DAT SPACING AS WELL.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, BUT THIS IS KIND OF AN URBAN INTERCHANGE OR GRADE SEPARATED WITH THE BRIDGE THROUGH HERE.
THIS COST WOULD BE TREMENDOUS.
YOU WOULD BE TAKING OUT HOMES AND BUILDINGS RIGHT AWAY.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS A VIABLE OPTION.
UH, AND THEN THIS ONE, SIMILARLY, WE ARE GOING THROUGH THAT, THAT BIG BRAND NEW BUILDING.
I, I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS A VIABLE OPTION EITHER.
UH, WITH THE IMPACTS HERE, MAKING A TUNNEL THROUGH THE BUILDING.
RIGHT? I HAVE AN OPTION 13 TO PUT UP THERE.
UH, ALAN CAN YOU PUT THAT UP AGAIN OR YOU NEED TO, YOU SENT IT TO WARM BUT HE CAN'T, I DIDN'T SEND IT.
I I WE JUST PUT UP GOOGLE MAPS OR IS THAT POSSIBLE? YEAH, GIMME A SEC HERE.
SO WHILE HE GETTING THAT GOOGLE MAP APPS UP IN ST.
GEORGE, UH, THERE IS AN INTERSECTION OF BLUFF STREET AND, UM, AND SUNSET AND FOR YEARS IT WAS A HORRIBLE T SECTION.
UH, THEY FIXED IT NOW AND WHAT IT'S DONE IS THAT IT HAS HELPED TRAFFIC REALLY SMOOTH SMOOTHLY FROM BLUFF TO SUNSET AND ALSO FOR THOSE WHO ARE GOING NORTH, UH, FROM BLUFF UP TO THE NORTH PART OF, OF THE AREA.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT INTERSECTION.
I'VE DRIVEN BY IT MANY TIMES AND IT FLOWS REALLY WELL AND I THINK IT WOULD WORK WELL HERE BECAUSE MY WORRY IS WE HAVE THIS HIGHWAY THAT'S GONNA BE A FREEWAY PRETTY SOON WITH BRIDGES AND INTERSECTION OR INTERCHANGES, RIGHT? ALL THE TRUCK TRAFFIC COMES OFF 90TH AND IT'S GONNA MAKE A LEFT TURN TO HEAD TOWARDS NEW BINGHAM AND ALL THE WAREHOUSES OUT THERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TRUCKS BACKING UP ON 90TH.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU HERE IS THIS BLUFF STREET
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TO SUNSET.WHAT THEY'VE DONE HERE IS THEY'VE STILL KEPT THAT CONNECTION, KINDA LIKE OUR 90TH TO NEW BINGHAM, BUT THEN THEY'VE ALSO MADE A, A STRAIGHT THROUGH ON BLUFF SHEETS.
PEOPLE THAT ARE HEADING IN OUR CASE, THEY'D BE HEADING WEST, CAN STILL KEEP GOING WITHOUT STOPPING WHAT IT DOES, HOWEVER IT IS, YEAH.
WHAT IT DOES HAVE IS IT DOES SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC COMING FROM OUR WEST 90TH WHERE THEY HAVE TO STOP THERE.
I THINK WHAT THIS DOES, MY BIGGEST WORRY IS THE TRUCK TRAFFIC IS NOT GONNA STOP.
THE MA THE ALL THE MANUFACTURERS ARE OUT THERE, ALL THOSE BIG TRUCKS ARE GONNA STOP TO TURN LEFT.
THIS WILL STOP, MAKE IT SO THAT THE TRAFFIC STILL FLOWS.
IT WILL SLOW DOWN 90TH COMING FROM OUR WEST SIDE, BUT IT WILL KEEP TRAFFIC FLOWING FROM 90TH HEADING EAST TOWARDS THE HOMES AT NIGHT.
NOW I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT.
I I DID SEND THIS TO THE MAYOR A FEW MONTHS AGO.
OBVIOUSLY IT NEVER GOT TO YOU AND I DON'T KNOW WHY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT A, A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THE RULES OF UDOT BECAUSE THEY CAN DO SOMETHING SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THEY CAN'T DO IT HERE.
UM, THIS IS GONNA BE FOREVER LIKE THIS INTERSECTION AND IF AND IF IT'S BAD, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE IT ANYWAY.
SO THIS INTERSECTION WAS DESIGNED BY UDOT, I BELIEVE.
SO SOMEONE'S GOT THE DESIGN SOMEWHERE.
AND I KNOW THERE IS A COST INVOLVED 'CAUSE IT WILL COST MORE TO CREATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT IN THE LONG RUN THIS IS GONNA MAKE TRAFFIC FLOW BETTER AND IT'S GONNA MAKE NEW BEING NOT A DANGER.
I I LOVE IT WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE GREAT IDEAS COME IN.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS ONE FOR A MINUTE.
UM, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOU MAY REALIGN AN INTERSECTION LIKE THIS IS YOU WANT YOUR HEAVIEST MOVEMENTS TO BE THE THROUGH MOVEMENTS.
WHERE YOU START TO RUN INTO PROBLEMS IS WHEN YOUR HEAVIEST MOVEMENTS ARE LEFT TURNS, THOSE CREATE BIG ISSUES AND THAT'S WHERE YOU START TO SEE INTERSECTIONS LIKE CFIS OR INTERCHANGES FOR OTHER KIND OF CRAZY OR INNOVATIVE IDEAS, RIGHT? THIS ONE, WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS TRADITIONALLY BLUFF STREET WAS, WAS THE ROAD, RIGHT? YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT TRADITIONALLY UNTIL GROWTH CAME, ALL, ALL THE GROWTH CAME, RIGHT? AND SO EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO THIS MOVEMENT AND AS MUCH AS YOU TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT MANY LEFT TURNS, YOU CAN'T.
RIGHT? AND SO THEY REALIGN THIS TO, TO MAKE THAT MOVEMENT AND THEN THIS BECOMES THE, WHAT I'LL CALL THE MINOR LEG, CORRECT? WELL, WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR SITUATION IS 90 AND SOUTH IS THE MAJOR LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
RIGHT? RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT RIGHT.
SO RIGHT NOW EVERYONE USES NEW BINGHAM, RIGHT? AND THEY'RE MAKING THAT CURVE.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, UM, THE EAST WEST ON 90TH IS THE MAIN FLOW.
AND SO THAT'S THE ONE WE WANT TO BE THE THROUGH MOVEMENT, OKAY? AND SO RATHER THAN SWINGING EVERYBODY DOWN TO NEW BINGHAM, WE WANT 'EM TO BE THE THROUGH.
SEE WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT PROBLEM ON 78TH AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT I'VE DRIVEN THAT ROAD 78TH BACKS UP TO TURN LEFT.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT WATCHING, YOU'RE GONNA SLAM INTO THE BACK OF SOMEBODY.
THERE'S NO SIGNAL THERE YET, WHICH I'M SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND ALSO FOR THOSE THAT ARE TURNING LEFT, THEY CAN'T TURN LEFT BECAUSE ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE EAST.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT SO THAT NEW BINGHAM, I FEEL LIKE ALL OF THE 12 OPTIONS CUTS OFF NEW BINGHAM CUTS OFF ALL THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
AND WITH THE INTERSECTION BEING WHERE IT'S AT WITH THE NEW MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR, EVERYONE'S GONNA BE GETTING OFF THERE AND HEADING UP NEW BINGHAM.
SO, SO I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AND, AND THERE'S CERTAINLY A HEAVY MOVEMENT THAT DOES THAT TO NEW BINGHAM, RIGHT? RIGHT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE IS WE DO HAVE A FREE RIGHT NORTHBOUND SO THEY CAN COME UP AND, AND MAKE IT FREE RIGHT TOWARD MOUNTAIN VIEW AND THEN WE HAVE DUAL LEFT TURNS SO THAT THEY CAN TURN ON TO NEW BINGHAM.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, AS I, AS I MENTIONED, THE HIGHER VOLUMES IN THE FUTURE ARE ON 90TH.
SO IF WE, WE REALIGN OR IF WE KEEP THE ALIGNMENT THAT IT HAS NOW WITH THE BINGHAM AND THEN T AND 90TH, WE HAVE EVEN MORE LEFT TURNS TO AND FROM 90TH THAT ARE GONNA CAUSE THAT TO FAIL AND NOT WORK.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S THAT'S PRESERVE BOTH WAYS.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT EAST WEST MOVEMENT AND, AND I THINK EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM IS FAMILIAR.
THAT'S THE THING THAT WEST JORDAN STRUGGLES WITH THE MOST IS EAST WEST MOVEMENT, RIGHT? TO GET TO I 15 TO, TO MOUNTAIN VIEW AND OUT BACK IT'S THAT EAST WEST CONNECTION IS SO HARD AND SO CONGESTED.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THIS 90TH WILL BE THE ONLY ROAD IN WEST JORDAN THAT GOES FROM U ONE 11 TO I 15.
THERE'S NO OTHER CONNECTION THAT DOES THAT IN THE ENTIRE CITY.
AND SO TO NOT PRESERVE THAT IS, IS WELL THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S A YES AND A NO, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU BEND 90TH INTO NEW BINGHAM HIGHWAY AND YOU CONTIN AND YOU KEEP THE, UH, THE STATE ROAD DESIGNATION AS IT IS AND TAKE IT OUT NEW BINGHAM HIGHWAY, THEN THAT'S THE ROAD THAT GOES FROM BACHUS TO I 15 RIGHT THERE.
I THINK WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS WHAT CHAD IS SAYING IS HE THINKS THE GREATER, THE GREATER TRAFFIC FLOW IS GO IS GONNA BE THE INDUSTRIAL TRAFFIC FLOW, NOT THE RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC FLOW.
SO THE INDUSTRIAL TRAFFIC FLOW GOING DOWN TO AMAZON, GOING DOWN TO THE WAREHOUSES THAT TRUCK TRAFFIC FLOW IS GONNA BE.
AND WHAT CHAD IS SAYING IS THAT'S GONNA BE GREATER THAN THE RESIDENTIAL
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TRAFFIC FLOW YOU'VE GOT COMING FROM GOING STRAIGHT WEST IN THE NEW, IN THE IVORY PROJECTS AND, AND THESE OTHER, YOU KNOW, FUTURE GROWTH OUT THERE.UM, IT'S, IT'S A QUESTION OF OF WHO'S OF WHO'S, RIGHT.
THEY'RE BOTH PROJECTIONS AND THEY'RE BOTH GUESSES, BUT I THINK THE TRAFFIC WILL FOLLOW WHERE YOU PUT THE ROAD.
SO IT'S NOT TO SAY WELL, 'CAUSE IN EVERY ONE OF THESE SCENARIOS YOU'VE GOT THE GREEN LINE ON 90TH SOUTH GOES STRAIGHT THROUGH, NONE OF THEM CONSIDERED THE BEND THAT CHAD IS TALKING ABOUT AND PUTTING THE BEND IN 90TH INSTEAD OF THE BEND IN NEW BINGHAM.
SO, SO IT'S LIKE THAT WASN'T EVEN CONSIDERED, BUT I THINK THE, THE TRAFFIC WILL FOLLOW WHERE THE ROAD GOES.
SO IF YOU PUT THE, IF YOU PUT IT THE WAY THAT CHAD IS SAYING THEN, THEN THAT WILL INFLUENCE WHERE THE TRAFFIC COMES FROM AND THERE WON'T BE AS MANY LEFT TURNS BECAUSE THEY'LL GO DOWN TO NEW BINGHAM TO START WITH OR WHATEVER.
UH, I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT POINTS AND I, AND I AGREE THAT PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW THE WAY THE ROAD'S DESIGNED RIGHT THERE.
UM, BUT I, A BIG PART OF OUR ANALYSIS WHEN WE DID THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS WE DID A LOT OF TRAVEL DEMAND MODELING.
AND SO, UM, WHILE I AGREE THAT THESE ARE ALL PROJECTIONS AND WE'RE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE AND IT'S HARD TO, TO PREDICT THE FUTURE, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME VERY SOPHISTICATED TOOLS THAT WE USE WHEN WE DO THIS.
AND THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE NEW GROWTH, THE THE NEW HOMES, THE NEW JOBS, UH, THE EXISTING JOBS, THE EXISTING TRAVEL PATTERNS, AND IT, AND IT MODELS WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GO AND WHAT, HOW PEOPLE WANT TO TRAVEL AND WHERE THAT DEMAND IS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BASING OUR, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON IS, UH, THESE SOPHISTICATED TOOLS THAT SHOW THAT THERE IS A HIGH DEMAND ON 90TH SOUND.
UM, THERE IS ALSO HIGH DEMAND ON NEW BINGHAM, BUT WE'RE SHOWN HIGHER ON 90TH AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT.
AND WHAT'S THAT FRONT REGIONAL COUNCIL, REGIONAL SANITATION PLAN OF ALL IDENTIFIED 90TH VISTA, THE HEAVY LIFTER.
AND FOR THE SAME REASON WE GO BACK TO COUNCIL OPTION TWO, WHAT WOULD COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS BE IF WE BOUGHT THESE THREE HOMES, BUILT THE ROAD, THEN RESELL THE HOMES AND THEN RESELL THEM, RESELL THE HOMES AGAIN? I DON'T THINK WE'RE SEEING SHARE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
WELL YOU, WHAT IF, WHAT IF THE RESIDENTS REFUSE TO SELL? I, I DON'T KNOW,
BUT YOU, YOU BUY THESE THREE HOMES POSSIBLY BUILD THE ROAD AND THEN THE PEOPLE BUYING THE HOUSES ALREADY KNOW THE ROADS THERE COULD NOT USE EMINENT DOMAIN TO DO THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING BUY THE THREE HOMES BUT NOT DESTROY THEM AND NOT NOT USE THEM.
Y YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
SO BUILD THE ROAD AND THEN SELL THEM ONCE A ROAD IS BUILT, I CAN WE EVEN DO THAT.
I'M GONNA SAY IF WE BOUGHT THE THREE HOMES, JUST TEAR 'EM DOWN AND THEN, THEN YOU'D, THEN, THEN IT WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT CLEANER.
BUT I WOULDN'T, I, I'M I FOR THIS ROAD, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ABOUT TO SAY TAKE THREE HOUSES.
IF IT WAS NECESSARY TO GET THE ALIGNMENT RIGHT AND TO, AND TO GET IT RIGHT, I, AND WE HAVE TO TAKE A COUPLE OF HOUSES TO DO THAT.
I'M NOT OKAY WITH TAKING HOUSES BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ARE GONNA BE MAD AND THEN THE PEOPLE MOVING IN WILL BE LESS MAD.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A VALID USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN FOR ME.
WELL, AS FAR AS HE WAS TALKING TO HIM IN DOMAIN, I THINK HE'S GIVEN THEM THE CHOICE AS FAR AS THE OPTIONS GO THEN, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL.
WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US TODAY? I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SEVEN DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY HAVE A, A FOR SURE OPINION ON WHICH ONES? WHAT, WHAT OPTION? WELL I HEARD FOUR THERE.
SUPPORT WOULD SUPPORT FOUR IS THE QUESTION.
I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THEM, SO NO GOOD.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, I THINK CONCEPT OF YOUR IDEA WITH, BUT WOULD HAVE LIKE A FLYOVER BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, IF MONEY WAS JUST GROWING ON TREES, UH, BUT IT'S NOT
IT'S NOT WOULD WOULD THE BRIDGE BE OPEN ON TIME?
SO YOU TAKE, UH, YOU TAKE THE THROUGH STREET WOULD BE BE, UH, YOU KNOW, L STREET AND THEN, AND THEN A FLYOVER BRIDGE THAT WOULD TAKE OVER AND THEN INTO SUNSET.
WE'D LIKE THAT DOWN LOWER ON 90TH ONTO, ONTO OLD BINGHAM.
SO I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S A HUNDRED PLACES WHERE WE COULD DO THAT.
I JUST THINK THAT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC WAS BOTTOM WHEN THERE'S THESE OPTIONS.
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THINK IT WAS JUST ABOUT TRAFFIC FULL ON 90TH AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY DISAPPOINTMENT.ARE WE ANTICIPATING AMAZON CONTINUE TO USE
OR ARE WE ANTICIPATING THEM GOING TO 90TH AND NO, THEY'LL, THEY'LL CONTINUE AND WE UNDERSTAND THE TRUCK TRAFFIC'S REALLY HIGH OUT HERE.
UM, WE DESIGNED IT SO THAT WE HAVE GOOD TURNING RADIO FOR THESE LARGE TRUCKS TO MAKE THESE TURNS AND GET THROUGH HERE.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS JUST THE ONES TURNING LEFT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC.
NO, THERE'S TRUCKS I KNOW, BUT YEAH, THE, THE VANS BRING 'EM BACK.
YEAH, YOU DON'T SEE 'EM BECAUSE THE TRUCKS GET OFF MOUNTAIN VIEW AND TAKE IT TO AMAZON ALL AND GO.
MOUNTAIN VIEW TO AMAZON, IT'S TRUCKS AND YOU'RE NOT, THE VANS ARE FROM THE ONLY REAL WAY TO SOLVE THIS IS THE BRIDGE THAT'S, WE'RE JUST TALKING TENS OF MILLIONS WE JUST BUILT DO THAT.
SO OPTION FOUR, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CONSENSUS.
ARE THERE ANY THAT PREFER SOME OTHER QUESTION? I DON'T LOVE OPTION FOUR, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE CLOSEST OF THE ONES THAT ARE APPROVED.
LIKE KELVIN SAID, I THINK MY, MY MAIN PRIORITY IS KEEPING DUCK RIDGE TRAFFIC MINIMIZED AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS REGIONAL OR CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC GOES, KEEPING THE TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF THOSE HOMES MINIMIZED.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, WE DIDN'T TALK A LOT ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY GOING FROM THE SOUTHERN NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTHERN NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS 90TH SOUTH.
BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A, A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE IN THE, IN THE DISCUSSION OR A CULVERT UNDER 90TH OR SOMETHING TO, UM, TO FACILITATE CON PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO CROSS AT A GINORMOUS.
I TALKED WITH THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE ABOUT A CULVERT GOING UNDER THE ROAD AND THEY ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT BECAUSE OF SAFETY REASONS, LIKE EDITOR KIND OF REASONS.
REMEMBER, A BRIDGE MEANS TAKING SOME MOTEL MOUNT BRIDGE.
WELL, UNLESS YOU PUT, UNLESS YOU PUT YEAH.
HUNDRED WEST AND ON THE WEST SIDE OF 6,400 WEST, BUT NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO CROSS 6,400 WEST TO GET TO THE BRIDGE.
UM, ANYTHING THAT'S YOU FROM US, BUT WE'RE GOOD WITH FOUR THEN THOUGH.
WELL, I, I ACTUALLY LIKE A HYBRID OF FOUR AND SEVEN, BUT I DO TOO.
BUT FOUR OF THE ONES THAT ARE THERE ARE, IS PROBABLY THE MOST ACCEPTABLE.
THE, THE QUESTION IS THOUGH, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HAVING ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING OR SOMETHING ABOUT WITH THESE OPTIONS, LIKE ON POSTER BOARDS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME TO ALL SEE, UM, I, I KNOW WE'VE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS BEFORE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD 'EM WITH THESE LIKE 10 OPTIONS PUT IN FRONT OF THEM.
RIGHT? WELL, NOT ALL THESE OPTIONS, BECAUSE MANY OF THEM ARE UNFEASIBLE AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO MISLEAD THEM BY SHOWING THEM UNFEASIBLE OPTIONS.
WELL, WE COULD HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WHERE WE SAID, HERE'S THE, HERE WERE THE TWO OR THREE MOST VIABLE AND THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE WENT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD.
AND BE LIKE SOMEBODY LIKE, I KNOW IT WAS KAYLENE OR, OR KEN SAID WE'D HAVE AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND, AND HELP KEEP THEM INFORMED UP FRONT ON WHERE THIS IS GOING AND HOW IT'LL AFFECT THEM.
AND YOU KNOW, IF WE BUY THAT TRAFFIC SIMULATION SOFTWARE, THE NESTER CAN DO SOME GREAT PICTURES FOR US.
SO COULD YOU GUYS DO THAT WOULD SHOW HOW THE TR USING THE 8,600 BRIDGE COUNTS AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO GIVE, GIVE THE NEIGHBORS A BETTER GRAPHIC ON HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO HOLDING ANOTHER MEETING.
I DON'T THINK WE DO ALL 12, BUT WE COULD DO ONE AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO TWO AND FOUR, DO TWO AND FOUR AND SEVEN TWO, YOU KNOW, AND SAY THIS IS THE BEST WHAT WE COULD COME UP WITH.
BUT IT DOES HELP THOSE NEIGHBORS ON DUCK RIDGE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING CARS BACKED UP IN THEIR FRONT YARD TRYING TO MAKE LEFT, LEFT HAND TURNS ONTO 90TH COMING OUT OF DUCK RIDGE.
AND, AND SO I I, I THINK THIS, THIS HELPS THE, THE HOUSES ON DUCK RIDGE.
I THINK THE ULTIMATE GOAL, AT LEAST FROM ALL THE MEETINGS THAT, THAT I'VE BEEN TO WITH THE NEIGHBORS IS HOW DO WE
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KEEP THE TRAFFIC CALM ON DUCK BRIDGE? THAT'S THE, THAT WAS THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON DUCK BRIDGE? I I DON'T THINK IT'S MINIMIZED THE IMPACT ON BRIDGE.I THINK GETTING THAT BRIDGE DID, BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS NOT GONNA MINIMIZE, I MEAN IT'S MINIMIZED NOW, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT ONCE THAT TURNS INTO INTERSECTION, THOSE FIRST FIVE, SIX MONTHS ARE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY.
BUT IT'S ALREADY AN INTERSECTION THOUGH, RIGHT? NO, IT'S NOT.
IT, IT GOES, IT GOES INTO 90TH RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? YEAH, IT GOES INTO 90TH.
THERE'S NO TRAFFIC BUT NO TRAFFIC ON 90TH.
SO, UH, WOULD WOULD IT BE CHEAPER TO BUY THOSE THREE HOUSES THAN TO DO THIS OPTION? NO.
WITH THIS OPTION WE DON'T NEED TO BUY THOSE THREE HOUSES.
YEAH, WE WOULD, WITH THIS ONE WE WOULDN'T NEED TO BUY.
YEAH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF WE DID THAT OPTION, YOUR IDEA OF BUYING THOSE THREE HOUSES, WOULD THAT BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THIS? BUT WITH THIS OPTION YOU'LL BUY THE HOUSE NOT WITH COST OF I DIDN'T THINK SO.
WANNA ASK THE QUESTION? TWO OR $3 MILLION AND, AND THOSE THREE HOUSES STILL HAVE THE OPTION OF SELLING? SURE.
ALRIGHT, SO YEP, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH FOUR.
I WOULD, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE HAVEN'T HEARD WHICH OPTION YOU LIKE.
NO, I, I WAS IN FAVOR OF FOUR AND SEVEN FROM THE BEGINNING, SO THAT'S WHERE IT KIND OF WENT AND THAT SEEMED TO BE THE ONES THAT MADE THE MOST SENSE.
UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, I'M INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THIS COULD AFFECT ONCE WE, UH, YOU KNOW, GET THAT REC REC CENTER IN THERE AND HOW THAT'S GONNA AFFECT IN THE DUCKWORTH SIDE OF THINGS AS WELL.
SO, BIG THING WE NEED TO REALLY MAKE SURE IS, AGAIN, I I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS AND AND SEVEN WERE THE ONES THAT TOOK OFF THAT CORNER, WHICH MADE IT EASIER.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE THAT MUCH OF A, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT IT NOT BEING A STRAIGHT THOROUGHFARE, I COULDN'T TELL REALLY LOOKING AT YOUR MAP THAT IT SKEWED AT ALL.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SKEW WAS.
I LIKED PERSONALLY SEVEN WHERE IT TOOK PEOPLE MOSTLY TO, UH, AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT WAS THE THING I LIKED MOST ABOUT SEVEN.
IF, UH, FOUR SEEMS TO BE MORE, I DID LIKE SEVEN FOR THAT REASON AS WELL.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEST THING.
IT'S LIKE I COULD SUPPORT SEVEN ALSO.
YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE A LEFT TURN JUST TO SAY I WANT TO GO INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, BUT THAT ALSO MIGHT BE THE TURN THAT'S GONNA TAKE THEM TO THE REC CENTER AT SOME POINT.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO KIND OF CONSIDER.
BUT FOUR AND SEVEN WERE MY FAVORITES FROM THE BEGINNING AND UH, IT REALLY AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, IN A WAY THE AT LARGE AND KENT THE MOST.
SO YOU FOUR WE'RE GONNA BE THE ONES I GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, KINDA LEANING TOWARDS THE MOST AND WE'RE THE ONES WHO SAID YES.
THAT'S, YEAH, BOB DOESN'T NEED TO TALK.
WE WILL CLOSE DISCUSSION TOPIC NUMBER A AND MOVE TO DISCUSSION B, THE PRESENTATION OF PROPOSED FORM BASED ZONING ZONE.
THANK YOU GUYS ALL QUEUED UP THE COUNCIL THIS PAST WEEKEND.
WE WORKED HARD OVER THE WEEKEND AND NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
YEAH, THANK THIS IS MUCH MORE INTERESTING.
YEAH,
CAN YOU PRETTY PICTURES AND EVERYTHING.
I WOULD TAKE IT PERSONALLY IF I, I DO YOU KNOW HOW TO CLEAR A ROOM?
WOULD YOU LIKE CHAIR OR? YEP, GO AHEAD.
UM, SO WE ORIGINALLY STARTED LOOKING AT THIS AFTER, UH, WE HAD A MEETING THE WHOLE PROBABLY ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT MONTHS AGO WHERE WE HAD A COUPLE PROJECTS THAT WERE PROPOSING TO USE THE, UH, THE SENIOR OVERLAY ZONE TO DO SOME MULTI-FAMILY ALONG GRID WOOD ROAD.
AND AT THAT MEETING WE HEARD FROM I THINK AT LEAST SIX OF THE SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT THAT THEY WANTED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING TO ALLOW THAT SAME PROJECT TO COME BACK WITHOUT THE SENIOR HOUSING ON IT ACTUALLY JUST
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BE, UH, MARKET.SO, UM, THAT LED US ON A LONG PROCESS ON LOOKING AT DIFFERENT CONCEPTS AND HAVING MET WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HERE IN THE CITY, WE FEEL LIKE WE FINALLY HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE REALLY TO GET A FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL.
SO KIND OF MOVING, UH, INTO THAT.
SO WHAT WE CAN SEE HERE IS, UH, THE REDWOODS CORRIDOR, ALL OF THOSE, UH, UNITS OR PARCELS IN BLUE ARE WITHIN 300 FEET OF REDWOOD ROAD.
UM, YOU SEE SOME OF THOSE IN PINK, THOSE WOULDN'T BE, UM, UNDER OUR CURRENT DRAFT ELIGIBLE FOR THE REDWOOD ROAD OR SORRY, CORRIDOR ZONE, UH, NOT CORRIDOR ZONE AS THEY'RE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE STATIONARY PLAN AND THEY HAVE CC ZONING ON THEM ALREADY.
SO THAT'S ALREADY IN FORM BASED CODE.
SO IT'S JUST LOOKING AT THOSE, UM, BLUE PARCELS AND THEN TO THE RIGHT THERE WE CAN JUST SEE KIND OF THE FUTURE PLAN USING PLAN MAP DESIGNATION.
SO, UH, WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING TO DO IS TWOFOLD.
FIRST WE WOULD ADD THE CORRIDOR ZONE AS AN EXCEPTION TO THE BALANCED HOUSING CHAPTER OF CODE.
AND THEN SECOND, THIS WOULD CREATE A NEW FORM-BASED ORDINANCES THAT COULD ONLY BE APPLIED TO REDWOOD ROAD.
IT WOULD NOT BE AN OVERLAY ZONE.
SO ANYONE THAT WANTED TO USE IT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO REZONE THEIR PROPERTY TO THIS.
UH, MOST LIKELY THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND DESIGNATION AS WELL TO, UM, MEET THE HIGH DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO.
UM, 'CAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE ZONE.
WE'D ALSO REQUIRE A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AGREEMENT WITH EVERY ZONE.
UM, IT IS A FORM-BASED CODE, BUT IT'S HYBRID AS A PURE FORM-BASED CODE JUST LOOKS AT THE BUILDING IN A DIFFERENT, ITS UH, UH, THE ZONE THAT ALL THIS STILL DOES HAVE A USE TABLE, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE CONSIDERING IT A HYBRID.
UH, IT'S FOCUSED MAINLY ON APPEARANCES, BUT WE ALSO DO LIMITED IN ITS SCOPE, UH, TO CERTAIN USES.
UH, AS MENTIONED, THIS WOULD ONLY CURRENTLY AS DRAFTED BE AVAILABLE ALONG REDWOOD ROAD.
IN THE ORIGINAL DRAFT WE HAD CONSIDERED, UM, ALLOWING THIS TO ALSO BE USED ALONG 90TH 78TH AND 70TH, BUT WE FELT LIKE THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BRIDGE TOO FAR.
IF IT WORKS ON REDWOOD ROAD, MAYBE WE CAN REFINE THAT AND COME BACK AND ADD THOSE TO THE CORRIDORS ON DESIGNATION OF SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AS MENTIONED, THIS WOULD BE GOVERNED BY THE MDA AND RATHER THAN LOOK AT MAXIMUM DENSITIES, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT FLOOR AREA RATIOS.
WE DISCUSSED WHAT IS A FLORIDA AREA RATIO.
YEAH, THAT'S THE, THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE.
SO FLOOR AREA RATIO IS ESSENTIALLY A WAY OF CALCULATING A SIZE OF A BUILDING AND WE'LL JUST DO BASIC NUMBERS.
IF YOU HAVE A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND YOUR FLOOR AREA RATIO IS ONE, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING SPACE.
SO IF YOU'RE DOING HALF OF THAT AS PARKING, THEN YOU NEED TO DO TWO STORIES FOR 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO HERE WE CAN SEE, UM, FLOOR AREA RATIO OF ONE.
IF YOU'RE COVERING THE WHOLE LOT, WHOLE LOTS BUILT, YOU'RE ONLY COVERING A QUARTER OF THE LOT.
YOU HAVE TO DO A FOUR STORY STRUCTURE.
SO IF IT'S 1.5, 'CAUSE ONE TO ONE IS OBVIOUS.
BUT WHEN IT SAYS 1.5, YEAH, SO IF YOU'RE COVERING A FULL LOT, YOU WOULD HAVE AT LEAST, SO IF YOU'RE DOING A 50% COVERAGE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THREE STORIES.
AND THE REASON WE WANNA DO A FAR INSTEAD OF, UH, DOING PER ACRE, BECAUSE WE DO ANTICIPATE THIS BEING MIXED USE AT SOME POINT WE WOULD LIKELY TO BE COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS TO THESE AS WELL.
SO HERE, HERE'S MY QUESTION 'CAUSE IT'LL GO INTO HEIGHT AS WELL.
WITH THE MINIMUM HEIGHT, IF YOU DO A FAR OF 1.5, THAT MEANS THAT THE BUILDING ON AN ACRE HAS GOTTA BE THREE STORIES, RIGHT? WHAT YOU JUST SAID? WELL, POTENTIALLY, POTENTIALLY, YEAH.
SO THE, SO, BUT IT SAYS MINIMUM IF IT, THIS IS WHERE, THIS IS WHERE I'M HAVING PROBABLY THE OVERALL HEARTBURN WITH THIS BESIDES MORNING, BUT I'LL WE'LL GET TO THAT LATER.
IS IT SAYS THAT THE MINIMUM HEIGHT IN THIS IS 30 FEET.
WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A BUILDING THAT'S F THAT'S ONE FLOOR AND THEY WANNA HAVE A ROOFTOP PATIO AS PART OF THAT BUILDING, AT THAT POINT THAT BUILDING'S ONLY 15 FEET AND IT DOESN'T MEET THE MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 30.
SEE WHERE I'M GOING? I IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO SAY WE CAN HAVE ONE STORY
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BUILDINGS ON THE FRONT, ON THE FRONT IF THEY MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AND THEY CAN HAVE OTHER THINGS ON THE PROPERTY.BUT A ONE STORY BUILDING MAY BE WHAT WORKS FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY WANNA HAVE A ROOFTOP PATIO OR DO SOME OTHER THINGS.
YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING? YEAH.
AND WE CAN DEFINITELY, IF THAT'S THE WAY THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO, WE CAN CHANGE THE CODE FOR THAT.
OUR THOUGHTS AND INTENTIONS WERE THIS IS GOING TO ACCOMMODATE AND KIND OF DRIVE MORE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT TO REDWOOD ROAD.
AND WE WANTED TO NOT ONLY DO 30 FEET MAXIMUM HEIGHT, BUT TWO STORIES, UH, MINIMUM, SORRY, MINIMUM HIGH 30 FEET, TWO STORIES MINIMUM.
BECAUSE THE THOUGHT IS WE WANT TO DRIVE THE DENSITY AND CREATE, UH, A STREET SCAPE A ALONG REDWOOD ROAD.
AND SO THE IDEA OF THE CODE IS IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED, IS ACTUALLY TO NOT GO TOWARDS STORY BUILDING.
WE WANT CREATE A A STREET WHILE WE WANNA CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE ALONG
SO INCREASING THE HEIGHT THERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE I'M GOING IS THAT MAYBE YOU WANNA HAVE A ONE STORY BUILDING RIGHT AT THE FRONT THAT GOES BACK AND THEN IT GOES UP.
IS THAT A ONE STORY BUILDING OR A THREE STORY BUILDING? YOU MEASURE BUILDINGS TO THE TALLEST POINT.
SO IF, IF YOU, IF YOU STARTED AT ONE STORY AND WENT BACK, THEN WE'D GO TO THE BACK ONE.
NOW, UH, OUR ANTICIPATION WAS ACTUALLY THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE FLIPPED.
YOU'D HAVE YOUR TALLER BUILDING ALONG REDWOOD AND THEN YOU'D DECREASE IN HEIGHT IF YOU GET TOWARDS THE ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WHICH ARE BEHIND IT.
BUT YOU COULD DO IT EITHER WAY AS LONG AS YOU'RE, UH, GETTING THAT APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
SO YOU MENTIONED THAT TO CREATE A STREET SCAPE WITH SOME CONSISTENCY, BUT WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE PACKET, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT DESIGN IDEAS IN THERE JUST FROM US, BUT I DON'T SEE THE CONSISTENCY.
I HEAR THAT WORD, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE DIAGRAM.
SO WHAT IS THE GOAL? I WAS NOT SORRY IF I USE CONSISTENCY.
CONSISTENCY, NOT NECESSARILY THE GOAL.
SO, UH, SOMETHING DIFFERENT DESIGNS SOMETHING THAT IS INTERESTING FOR A PEDESTRIAN, BUT IT'S ALSO INTERESTING FOR SOME OF THE HY HISTORY IN THE CITY, BUT WE DON'T CARE IF IT'S A HODGEPODGE ALL ALONG.
SO THAT BRINGS ME TO MY QUESTION.
HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS MAINTAIN THAT CHARACTER IN THE HARMONY OF EXISTING FAVORITES? OR HOW DO WE CREATE THAT 'CAUSE YEAH.
OR HOW DO WE CREATE, I I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS IF WE'RE JUST GONNA, TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER VEHICLE WE'RE JUST SKIRTING THE BALANCE HOUSING TO BE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE TOOL TO GET REDWOOD TO BE THAT COMMERCIAL VIBRANT AREA IF THERE'S, IF IT'S JUST WHATEVER.
SO IF, IF I OWN THESE TWO ACRES AND AS LONG AS I BUILD TWO STORY BUILDING DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT I HAVE IN THAT BUILDING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL.
SURE WE'D LIKE THAT AND MAYBE AT SOME POINT THAT WILL BE THE FOCUS.
BUT RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET.
MY EXPERIENCE SAYS WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET A LOT OF IDENTITY HOUSING.
THAT, THAT COULD BE AN OUTCOME.
TO GO BACK TO YOUR, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE, THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF THAT ORDINANCE WAS TO NOT NECESSARILY LIMIT HIGH DENSITY, IT'S TO GEAR AND STEER IT TOWARDS SPECIFIC AREAS OF, OF THE CITY, WHICH I BELIEVE IT HAS.
NOW, IS THERE A LIMIT? YES, BUT THOSE EXCEPTIONS THAT, THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE OVER THE YEARS IS PRIMARILY TO FOCUS THE GROWTH, THE HIGH DENSITY IN SPECIFIC AREAS.
AND THAT, THAT'S THE OVERARCHING QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO THE COUNCIL, IS THE REDWOOD ROAD CORRIDOR APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR HIGHER DENSITY, HIGHER INTENSITY USES.
SO REALLY THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO FOCUS REDWOOD ROAD AS A HIGH DENSITY? I I'M NOT SURE IF WE, THE, THE WORD WOULD BE HIGH DENSITY OR HIGHER INTENSITY.
THERE'S A ABOUT, THERE'S A QUESTION THERE.
WELL, I WISH IT COULD BE HIGH DENSITY, BUT I AM CONCERNED WELL, AND THAT IT WILL JUST BE HIGH DENSITY.
SEE, I DON'T SEE NECESSARILY AS A BAD THING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UM, CREATING PART OF OUR VISION OF OUR CITY AND MAINTAINING A SPECIFIC LOOK THAT KIND OF, WHETHER IT MATCHES OR WHETHER IT, IT'S IT THAT SORTED.
I'M LOOKING FOR IT GRADUALLY KIND OF, UH, LIKE WHAT WE DO WITH OUR HOUSING, WHERE WE, WHERE WE DO THE, THE, THE BIG HOUSES, THE THE LITTLE HOUSES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT BALANCE, THANK YOU MIXED USE.
BUT I WANT IT TO BE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE LIKE IT'S NOT HODGEPODGE, BUT THAT WE ACTUALLY USE OUR VISION THAT WE WANT TO, TO CREATE THIS.
AND I'M NOT AGAINST THE DENSITY BEING THERE.
BUT I WANT IT SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE INTO WEST JORDAN, THEY HAVE A SENSE THAT THEY'RE HERE.
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HERE'S AN OLD LOOKING BUILDING, HERE'S A VERY MODERN LOOKING BUILDING, HERE'S THIS OTHER BUILDING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, IT JUST DOESN'T CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE IF EVERY DEVELOPER COMES IN A DIFFERENT LOOK.AND SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS IN HERE, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT IN THE POWERPOINT, BUT UH, IN THE DESIGNS STANDARDS FOR THE ORDINANCE, THERE ARE THINGS LIKE WHEN I LOOKED AT YOUR GRAPHICS, I JUST THOUGHT WE WERE CREATING A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT LOOKING COMMUNITIES THAT IF THE GRAPHICS, WE CAN CHANGE THE GRAPHICS.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR GRAPHICS OF LIKE, IF I GO TO BOSTON, I KNOW I'M IN BOSTON BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL RED BRICK AND THEY'RE ALL A CERTAIN, LOOK, IF I GO TO SAN FRANCISCO, I KNOW I'M THERE.
IF I GO TO, WELL IF YOU GO TO DOWNTOWN MIDVALE, YOU KNOW WHAT THE LOOK IS AND YEAH.
AND IF I'M NOW GOING ON REDWOOD AND SOUTH JORDAN, I'M SEEING A SIMILAR KIND OF BILL AND I DIDN'T GET THAT PACKET.
AND WE PURPOSELY USE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ELEVATIONS.
THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF, THESE ARE EXAMPLES.
THEY'RE ALL ONES WE TOOK FROM UTAH ON THE WASATCH FRONT.
UM, NOW THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THERE, WE HAVE FENESTRATION.
SO THAT'S TRANSPARENCY ON THE FIRST FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR, THIRD FLOOR, UPPER FLOORS.
WE HAVE GROUND LEVEL DETAILS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
UH, ENTRANCES NEED TO HAVE CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
AND SO WE HAVE SOME FRAMEWORKS, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO COME IN HERE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO MID-CENTURY MODERN OR WE'RE GOING TO DO ART DECO OR WE'RE GOING TO DO WESTERN MINING TOWN BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I KNOW OR I'M THE PROPER PERSON TO COME UP WITH THAT.
I GUESS WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LIKE SAID HOTPOD, BUT ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO WEST JORDAN.
WE KNOW WE'RE COMING INTO WEST JORDAN.
I THINK THE GOAL IS NO MORE DRAKE, NO MORE DRAKE LANE TYPE THINGS WHERE IT'S SOMEONE BUILT A HOUSE OR SOMEONE SELLS THE HOUSE AND THEN THEY BUILT SIX HOUSES FROM REDWOOD TO THE END.
SO WHAT, WHAT WHAT THIS IS DOING IS IT'S TRYING TO TAKE IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT BUILDING MORE DRAKE LANE TYPE.
NOT DRAKE LANE'S BAD, BUT IT DIDN'T TURN OUT VERY GOOD EITHER.
UM, THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE REST OF REDWOOD ROAD IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND THE OTHER THING WE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS, THERE IS, SORRY, ZACH.
I THINK THE HODGEPODGE OR THE VARIETY IS ACTUALLY WHAT CREATES THE SENSE OF SPACE.
THE DIFFERENCE FROM ONE TO THE OTHER TO THE NEXT TO THE NEXT DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO BE SIMILAR OR IDENTICAL OR FOLLOW A THEME OR A, A MOTIF.
I THINK YOU CREATE, YOU CREATE THE, THE BLANK CANVAS AND YOU LET THE ARTISTS FILL IT IN AND YOU SEE WHAT YOU GET.
AND I THINK IN A LOT OF, IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS THAT COMES OUT WELL IN THE PACKETING ON, OH ATTACHMENT B ONLINE LIKE 2 31, THERE'S A GREAT SHOT OF LEHIGH MAIN STREET I THINK IS WHAT IT IS.
AND IT SHOWS THIS LIKE KIND OF ROW HOUSE STYLE LOOKING THING WITH 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, MAYBE SIX DIFFERENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE ATTACHED AND THEY LOOK GREAT AND THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF COOL.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WRONG TO SAY THAT THEY, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
I THINK IF IT'S ALL DIFFERENT IT MAKES IT MORE INTERESTING THAN IF IT'S ALL THE SAME COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE UH, THE UH, YOUR EYES ON EACH OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS THEY COME IN.
THAT THAT IS THE OTHER POINT IS THEY ARE ALL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AGREEMENT.
SO IT IS NEGOTIATION WITH THE COUNCIL, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA CIRCLE BACK AS WELL AS, UM, THERE'S TALK HOW THIS INTEGRATES WITH THE REST OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THERE.
AND IT MIGHT NOT, BUT PART OF THE THOUGHT WAS WE'VE HAVE GROWTH ENCROACHING ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO THIS IS TO SET AN EDGE ESSENTIALLY.
THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE SETTING THE STREET WALL AS WELL, IS THIS IS THE EDGE FOCUS, THE DEVELOPMENT HERE AND THEN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS BEHIND DON'T HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE CREEPING UH, CHANGE OF CHARACTER TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT WHAT I AM HAVING A DIFFICULTY ENVISIONING GOING FROM 94 SOUTH TO 68 SOUTH WITH THIS IS, AND SOME OF IT WORKS, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE, IF IF THIS WERE TO BE PUT IN AT THE CORNER OF 70TH SOUTH AND REDWOOD ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, I'D SAY GO FOR IT.
BECAUSE THERE'S ENOUGH BUFFER BETWEEN THEM AND THE MEAT FARMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE PROBABLY OKAY.
WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MORE WOULD BE FARTHER ON THE SOUTH END, PARTICULARLY I'M GOING TO USE
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A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THIS HAPPENED YESTERDAY, IS THAT, UM, I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING A BUNCH OF HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING, UH, RIGHT ALONG THE RIGHT NEAR THE 8,200 SOUTH AREA.BECAUSE WHAT PEOPLE WOULD END UP DOING IS THEY WOULD BE USING 8,200 SOUTH AS TO CUT THROUGH TO GET TO 13TH WEST.
AND JUST TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, YESTERDAY WHEN THE PD HAD TO RESPOND TO THAT FATAL CAR WRECK AND THEY SHUT DOWN 13TH, UH, THEY SHUT 78 SOUTH BETWEEN REDWOOD AND 13TH WEST.
UM, I'M TRYING TO GET TO JIM'S RESTAURANT YESTERDAY,
SO I GO FARTHER SOUTH AND I GO DOWN TO FOX, WHATEVER IT IS, FOX POINT, UM, OR FOX, WHATEVER IT IS, FOX POINT.
AND, AND, AND I WANDER AROUND AND EV AND YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT WERE COMING OFF OF REDWOOD ROAD GOING TO 13TH WEST TO BYPASS 7,800 SOUTH.
SO WHAT WE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT, AND IT'S A WAY TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC ONTO REDWOOD ROAD AND NOT GOING PARTICULARLY ON THE SOUTH END, 7,800 SOUTH AND 90TH.
UM, AND EVEN ON 70TH SOUTH, THERE'S A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL STUFF RIGHT THERE.
BORA BORA AND LELAND AND THOSE, THOSE KIND OF STREETS THAT WE DON'T WANT THE TRAFFIC FROM THIS TO GO EAST TO TRY TO GET THE RIGHT NOW THEY WON'T GO ANYWHERE NORTH ON 13TH WEST, BUT THEY CAN GO SOUTH.
WE'LL LET THEM HAVE FUN WITH THAT.
BUT CAN I INTERJECT? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY AGREE BECAUSE UM, THAT WAS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BEING OVERWHELMED IN NON-EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.
BUT IF IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THAT CONNECTION WHEN THERE IS AN EMERGENCY.
BUT IF WE PUT, BUT IF WE PUT RIGHT NOW THE NUMBER OF ERUS ALONG REDWOOD ROAD IS WHAT? AND UH, YOU KNOW, YOU PICK A PUT PICK A SECTION OF REDWOOD ROAD AND IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 300 FEET DEEP, YOU'RE TALKING TWO OR THREE LOTS AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING TWO ACRES AND YOU'RE TALKING 20 OR 30 UNITS TO THE ACRE, ALL OF A SUDDEN INSTEAD OF A COUPLE OF HOUSES, NOW YOU'VE GOT 60 HOUSES AND ALL THOSE HOUSES DON'T WANNA GO TO REDWOOD ROAD.
WHERE DO THOSE 60 HOUSES GO? SO WE'RE AUTOMATICALLY BUILDING IN SOME TRAFFIC THAT MIGHT GO EAST AND WE'VE GOTTA TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
OR IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC ON THE WEST SIDE REST REDWOOD ROAD ISN'T GONNA GO WEST BECAUSE YOU GOT CANALS AND OTHER KIND OF THINGS THAT DEAD ENDED.
BUT ON THE EAST YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT SOME THROUGH STREETS LIKE, LIKE FOX POINT, YOU'VE GOT BORA BORA, YOU'VE GOT LELAND THAT GOES TO BATON.
WE CUT AROUND THROUGH INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I'M TELLING PEOPLE YEAH, WELL THEY ALL KNOW.
THEY ALL CUT THROUGH OUR, THEY ALL CUT THROUGH
UH, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND, AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND ON THE EAST SIDE, SO LIKE ON THE EAST SIDE OF, OR ON THE WEST SIDE OF REDWOOD DOWN 72, 7300 SOUTH WHERE THE DI IS, EXECUTIVE LANE DEAD ENDS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CUT THROUGH ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS IN THIS KIND OF A SITUATION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE ROAD, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MID AND GATE THE TRAFFIC SO THAT THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T GET INUNDATED WITH, YOU KNOW, AN EXTRA COUPLE OF HUNDRED CARS BECAUSE WE BUILT A HIGHER DENSITY PROJECT ON REDWOOD ROAD ANYWHERE WE INCREASE DENSITY, WE'RE IMPACT ROAD NOW.
BUT ARE WE MAKING THEM GO THROUGH A RESIDENT? BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS MORE NOT HOUSING.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS MORE ABOUT MAKING REDWOOD SO THAT WE COULD TURN THESE INTO BUSINESS.
WELL LIKE COUNCIL MAYBE WAS SAYING MAYBE I HEARD IT, IT WASN'T ABOUT, IT'S BOTH APARTMENTS.
IT WAS MORE ABOUT PUTTING IN INSTEAD OF ALL THESE HOMES TURNING INTO 50 HOMES, TURNING INTO A ZONE WHERE WE CAN TURN THEM INTO BUSINESSES ON THE STREET.
BUT I DON'T, BUT EVERY ONE OF THE DESIGNS WE SEE ARE RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME, WITH MAYBE SOME BUSINESS ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
AND, AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S MORE DEMAND FOR RESIDENTIAL THAN FOR COMMERCIAL.
AND THIS ZONE ALLOWS FOR BOTH.
SO RESIDENTIAL IS GONNA, IS GONNA BE PUSHED.
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AND THE AND THE ONES THAT ARE WANTING SOMETHING DIFFERENT ARE RESIDENTIAL THAN THEY'RE WANTING, AREN'T THEY? BOTH THE, SO THE ONE THAT WE TALKED TO, THEY ORIGINALLY CAME TO US WANTING TO DO MIXED USE AND THEN WITH THE UH, SENIOR HOUSING OVERLAY SAID NO, IT'S SENIOR HOUSING.SO I THINK WITH THE OPTION TO DO EXCUSE, THEY WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT THEY THE BUSINESS AND THAT PARCEL ALREADY.
AND SO TO INCORPORATE THAT BUT ALSO TO ADD RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
IS THAT THE ONE DOWN NEAR 90TH DAYCARE, ISN'T IT GARDNER LANE, PARTNER LANE.
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS THAT DAYCARE THAT WANTED TO DO YEAH, THAT WAS A FEW MONTHS AGO.
SO I THINK THE INTENT IS FOR IT TO BE ALL OF THE ABOVE.
I THINK IN THE SHORT TERM HONESTLY, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.
BUT, BUT IT'S ONE TOOL AND, AND ALL THE TRAFFIC SPECIFIC SITUATIONS, WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO MEASURE THOSE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
AND, AND IT'S, THIS IS A TOOL THAT MAY NOT FIT IN EVERY SITUATION, BUT IT'S, IT'S AN OPTION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
IT'S AN OPTION FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
'CAUSE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, REDWOOD IS DOES NOT SHOW WELL AND GOT A LOT OF NARROW DEEP LOTS.
UH, OLD AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY CODE ENFORCEMENT NIGHTMARES.
I
THERE'S SO MUCH JUNK ON THOSE DEEP NARROW LOTS.
WE NEED A CATALYST TO, TO TO GIVE GIVE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AT LEAST ANOTHER OPTION.
THE TOOL TOO THAT'S ASK YOU THIS THEN IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEEP NARROW LOTS MM-HMM
WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS HAVE THIS 75 FOOT FRONT AND SOME LONG PRO LONG PROJECT THAT GOES BACK, IS THERE A MINIMUM PROJECT, THE WIDTH STANDARD THAT WE WOULD ACCEPT TO HELP SOLVE THAT PROBLEM? 'CAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THEN ALL WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA GET THOSE LITTLE YOU, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE SANI PROJECT OR UH, THE DRAKE LANE PROJECT.
WE'RE GONNA GET THESE LITTLE NARROW PROJECTS THAT GO BACK.
WE NEED, WE NEED STUFF THAT STRETCHES THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT THAN STRETCHES.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE A MINIMUM FRONTAGE OF A DEVELOPMENT TOO.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST A LITTLE NARROW PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE'RE GONNA GET STUCK WITH SAME THING.
SO, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT I, WE DO SAY PERCENTAGE WISE, MINIMUM FRONTAGE IS, HAS TO BE BUILT OUT OF 75%.
BUT THERE'S IS THE EXCEPTION IF THERE WE FLAG LOSS STYLE DEVELOPMENT.
NOW IF WE WANNA REMOVE THAT FLAG LAW STYLE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I THINK WOULD LEND ITSELF TOWARDS WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S AN EASY CHANGE TO ME.
IF I CAN JUST POINT OUT REAL QUICK, UH, WHEN WE, WHEN THE COUNCIL REDID THE GENERAL PLAN, THEY TALKED PRETTY EXTENSIVELY ABOUT REDWOOD ROAD, ABOUT BUNDLING PROPERTY AND GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE INGRESS AND EGRESSES SPECIFICALLY TO STOP THE, THE SINGLE LOT FROM ADDING THE DEEP SINGLE LOT FROM ADDING SIX HOMES AND THEN MOVING ON.
SO I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THIS CAN ADDRESS IT, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME MORE TWEAKING.
YEAH, I, BECAUSE I, I JUST DON'T WANNA DEAL WITH ONE LOT AND THEY COME IN WITH A HUNDRED FOOT FRONT AND TRY TO DO STUFF LONG AND NARROW 'CAUSE WE'RE STUCK WITH THE SAME THING.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY'S ON EITHER SIDE OF US HAVE FIGURED IT OUT.
WHAT'S THAT? THE CITY'S ON EITHER SIDE OF US IS HAVE FIGURED IT OUT.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU DRIVE DOWN RED ROAD, SOUTH GEORGIA GOT THE SAME ISSUES.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS PERCEPTION IS THAT THEIR RED ROAD IS PERFECT, BUT THEY'VE GOT THE SAME ISSUES WITH, THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT HERE AND THERE'S THE POST OFFICE HERE AND THERE'S BUILDINGS BACK HERE.
AND SO NOT RIVERTON AND SOUTH JORDAN DO NOT HAVE IT FIGURED OUT.
I I WOULD SUPPORT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN FRONTAGE SO THAT WE AVOID THE DRAKE LANE.
CAN WE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, IS THERE ENOUGH MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL TO HAVE A MINIMUM FURNISHED ALONG REDWOOD.
AND ARE WE TALKING LIKE, WHAT'S THAT? HUNDRED YARDS LINEAR FEET, HUNDRED YARDS.
600 FEET? WE'LL WE'LL LOOK, WE LOOK AT WHAT'S GONNA BE MAKE MOST SENSE.
THANK WHY IN THERE IT SAYS, UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW FAST FOOD, BUT WE'LL ALLOW FOOD TRUCKS.
I JUST WAS CURIOUS WHY SEE LIMITING DRIVE AND THEN I WANT YOU TO KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE GREEN SPACE ALLOW FOR A DA ACCESSIBILITY.
SO LIMITING DRIVE, DRIVE-THROUGHS IS A CONCERN OF MINE.
SO PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE'RE TRYING
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TO LIMIT AND REMOVE CONNECTIONS ON, BUT WE'RE ALSO LIMITING PEOPLE.OR MOM'S WITH YOUNG KIDS OR YOU KNOW, SO, AND I GUESS TO THAT POINT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT WE REZONED THE WHOLE QUARTER.
THEY'D HAVE TO COME IN FOR EACH, EVERY, EVERY INDIVIDUAL ONCE THERE ARE, UH, MANY PROPERTIES ALONG REDWOOD ROAD RIGHT NOW, WHICH CURRENTLY RE ALLOW FOR DRIVE-THROUGHS.
AND SO IF YOU WANTED TO DO, UH, A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH, YOU WANT TO USE THIS BUT HYPOTHETICAL.
SO LET'S JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, 'CAUSE IT'S GOING IN ON THE CORNER.
'CAUSE I SAW IT THE OTHER DAY.
THERE'S A JIMMY JOHN'S GOING IN AT 90TH AND READY, RIGHT? AND WHERE? JERSEY? JERSEY, JERSEY, THERE'S A JIMMY JOHN'S, THERE'S A JIMMY JOHN'S AND THEN JERSEY MART GOING SUBWAY ANOTHER CORNER AND SAY, YEAH.
SO YOU KNOW, FAST FOOD, FAST FOOD ALLEY.
UM, IT'S NEXT TO THE ASIAN MARKET.
THEY, NONE OF THOSE HAVE DRIVE THROUGHS, BUT THEY'RE CONSIDERED FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.
SO I THINK THAT WHEN WE SAY DRIVE THROUGH SLASH FAST FOOD, WERE CREATING MY PERSONAL OPINIONS, WERE CREATING AN ISSUE BECAUSE JIMMY, JOHN'S JERSEY, MIKE'S, THEY'RE ALL FAST FOODS.
WAY BACK BURGERS OR WAY BACK BURGERS.
IT'S A FAST FOOD, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS.
I DON'T, I THINK IT'S A MOOT POINT BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT TONS OF COMMERCIAL.
IT'S ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL.
BUT WHAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THIS TOOL.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS LET'S SAY THEY WANNA BUILD ONE OF THESE UNITS AND IT SAYS NO, NO.
AND, AND RIGHT IN THE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW IT SAYS NO FAST FOOD.
THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T PUT A TIS YOU CAN'T PUT A WAY BACK.
IT HAS TO SAY, IT MIGHT NEED TO SAY NO DRIVE THROUGH.
IT MIGHT NEED TO SAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA CR HAVE A A, YOU MAY HAVE TO HAVE A PICKUP AREA FOR THE, FOR THE A DA WHERE YOU CAN PULL OFF.
BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT IT TO SAY IS NO FAST FOOD.
BECAUSE IS CHIPOTLE A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT OR ISN'T? IS BARBACOA A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT OR IT NOT THAT BE REAL? NO.
Y YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEN WHAT'S A FAST FOOD? SO YOU, YOU SEE THE WHERE GO WITH THE DEFINITION, SCOTT.
UM, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT I SAW.
CAN I, CAN I TELL YOU I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA SOUND MEAN, BUT, SO IT'LL PROBABLY COME ACROSS THIS WAY, BUT I I, AND, AND IF I APOLOGIZE, BUT THIS IS WAY TOO LONG.
UM, WE, WE KNOW FROM WHEN WE HAVE THE PLAN
WE ALL KNOW THAT NONE OF THAT MATTERS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HOLD A DEVELOPER TO ANYTHING WITH THE INTENT.
SO WHY HAVE, SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD WITH PC.
UM, IT'S LIKE READING THE ABSTRACT ON A SCIENTIFIC PAPER.
IT GIVES THEM AN IDEA OF WHETHER IT'S A TOOL THEY CAN USE OR WELL, BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO COMMUNICATE THAT.
AND WE, WE CAN PUT THAT IN STAFF REPORTS.
I THINK WE JUST PUTTING ENOUGH INFORMATION THERE, JUST, JUST ENOUGH WAS IN THERE.
AND THEN WE CAN GO AND TAKE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, MOVE ANYTHING REGULATORY INTO THE BODY.
AND, AND I, I, I JUST, HERE HERE'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
AND, AND WHILE I APPRECIATE A COUPLE OF THINGS WHERE THEY'RE GOING THAT, THAT THE, THE THE POINT SYSTEM AND THE COMPLICATED WITH THE POINT SYSTEM AND OPEN SPACE VERSUS POINTS AND CAN YOU BUY IT UP AND DO ALL THAT OTHER STUFF? THAT SEEMS TOO COMPLICATED BECAUSE IT'S GONNA PUT US IN AND HONESTLY WHAT THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA COME IN AND, AND SAY IS WE'LL BUILD, WE WANNA BUILD THE HIGHEST DENSITY POSSIBLE.
WE DON'T CARE AND WE'LL PAY FOR A PARK SOMEPLACE ELSE AND YOU GUYS FIGURE IT OUT.
UNLESS WE HAVE A WAY TO, UNLESS WE HAVE A WAY TO DO TRANSFER RIGHTS WHERE WE SAY, HEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAYING.
LET, LET'S JUST HYPOTHE HYPOTHETICALLY SAY SOMEBODY COMING IN, THEY WANNA BUILD A UNIT AND THEY WANNA PAY $500,000 FOR, UH, THE OPEN SPACE.
THEN WE GOT TO HAVE A MECHANISM, PARTICULARLY SINCE IT'S A LONG REDWOOD ROAD, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S NOT, BESIDES VETERANS PARK, NOT A LOT OF OPEN SPACE ALONG REDWOOD ROAD MM-HMM
BUT WE DO HAVE, ALONG THE RIVER, WE DO HAVE SOME AGRICULTURAL SPACE.
THERE IS THAT, IS THIS THE OPPORTUNITY TO
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JUST SAY YOU WANNA BUILD THE DENSITY ALONG THE REDWOOD ROAD? YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO JUST GIVE US THE MONEY FOR TRANSFER RIGHTS FOR SOMETHING IN THE REDWOOD ROAD CORRIDOR LIKE THE JORDAN RIVER OR LIGHT THE LIGHT THE AGRICULTURAL AND NOT WORRY ABOUT THEM DOING THE OPEN SPACE AND POINTS.IT'S JUST A FLAT, IT'S A TRANSFER.
AND SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE
WE USE THIS IN EVIL MAP
BUT THE IDEA IS THE MORE UNITS THEY BUILD, THE MORE THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PAY TOWARDS PARKWAY.
WE DON'T WANT PARK SPACE ALONG REDWOOD ROAD.
SO AS DOING IT AS A FEE AND L RATHER THAN AN IMPACT FEE, WE'RE ABLE TO THEN SPEND THAT MONEY ON REGIONAL PARKS.
SO WE COULD PUT THAT VETS PARK, WE PUT THAT WILLS PARK, WE COULD PUT THAT DOWN AT THE RIVER.
I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT THE MONEY ON REDWOOD ROAD TO GO TO THE WHEELS PARK.
WELL, AND IT'S IN THE REDWOOD ROAD CORRIDOR AREA, RIGHT.
THE CITY COUNCIL WILL DETERMINE WHERE THAT MONEY GOES AND WHAT WE USE IT FOR.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO LIKE GIVING THEM SOME ABILITY WITH AMENITIES IS IF THEY COME IN AND SAY, I WANNA DO STREET FRONTAGE CAFES AND I WANNA MAKE LOTS OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FRONTAGE OF REDWOOD ROAD IN FRONT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.
WE WANNA PUT IN, UH, MORE TREES.
WE'RE TO PUT IN STREET FURNITURE.
WE WANNA PUT IN UPGRADED STUFF.
WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET AMENITIES POINTS FOR THAT.
SO THAT DEDUCTS A SMALL PORTION OF THEIR FEE AND MOVE.
BUT BUT SEE, WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY THEY WANNA PUT AMENITIES IN AND IT IS UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE HOW MUCH TO WAIVE OF THE, OF THE THE FEES.
WE WOULDN'T BE WAIVING IMPACT FEES.
NO, THIS, I'M JUST SAYING HOW MUCH THE, THE COUNCIL WILL DECIDE WHAT THOSE AMEN BE.
BECAUSE LOOK, WE ALL KNOW BOTH KNOW AND IN THE TABLE, GARBAGE CANS IS AN AMENITY.
WE DON'T NEED GARBAGE CANS AS AN AMENITY.
UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME VERY NICE ONES RIGHT ALONG REDWOOD ROAD.
SO YOU, YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING IS INSTEAD OF THE POINTS AND CREATING THIS POINT THING AND OKAY, YOU GOT SO MANY POINTS THAT DE DEDUCT IT SHOULD JUST BE, THEY SAY, LOOK, BASED ON THIS AMENITIES, IT'S GONNA COST THIS MUCH.
WE WANT THIS MUCH OF A REDUCTION TOWARDS THE FEE IN THE LIEU IN IN THE, IN LIEU OF FEES FOR OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, AND SO I HAVE A TO-DO LIST HERE THAT I WROTE DOWN ON STUFF THAT I NEED TO DO IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD.
AND ONE OF THOSE IS TO CREATE AN APPROVED AMENITY BOOK, WHICH WOULD SAY LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO AMENITIES, THESE ARE AMENITIES THE COUNCIL HAVE ALREADY APPROVED.
IF YOU PUT THIS IN COUNCIL ALREADY PROVE THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE MODEL NUMBER.
IT'S WITH THIS MANY AMENITIES.
AND THEN ALSO HAVING THAT AMENITY POINT BE CLASSIFIED AT WHATEVER VALUE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GIVE IT AND THE FEE SCHEDULE.
SO RATHER THAN SAY AMENITY POINTS ARE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, IF THEY BRING IN PUBLIC ART AND THE COUNCIL SAYS, WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S WORTH A REDUCTION OF $5,000, SAY LEFT WORTH 5 MILLION.
AND THAT'S JUST A WAY TO TRACK IT.
AND SO THAT WE KNOW THE MORE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY DO, THE MORE THEY USE, THE MORE AMENITIES THEY HAVE TO REQUIRE BECAUSE WE WANT TO TIE THEIR AMENITY REQUIREMENT TO HOW DENSE THE PROJECT IS.
WELL WE SAW HOW COMPLICATED ON THE WEST SIDE THE DENSITY BUYOUT RETAIN.
THIS WOULD NOT BE A BUYOUT, IT WOULD JUST BE, IT WAS THE SAME TYPE OF CONCEPT.
PAMELA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, WELL THAT WAS PART OF MY QUESTION.
SHOULD THE B LOSE FUNDS BE RESTRICTED TO ENHANCE THE AMENITIES WITHIN CZ, WHICH THEN WOULD CREATE ISSUES WITH ACCESSIBILITY? OR ARE WE GONNA SPREAD OUT CITY-WISE? THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP.
UM, BUT ANOTHER, UM, QUESTION THAT I HAD IS, UM, IS THERE, AND I, AND I IF I MISSED IT, UM, WHAT ABOUT INTRODUCING AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS OR INCENTIVES? WHAT ARE THE, THE CZ? SO HOW CAN WE BALANCE, HOW CAN THE CZ ORDINANCE BALANCE ECONOMIC GROWTH WITH AFFORDABILITY AND INCLUSIVITY? YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING DOWN THIS ROUTE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, I KNOW, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PART OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE ARE INCENTIVIZING THESE DEVELOPERS TO, TO NOT PRICE PEOPLE OUT.
AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING I FEEL LIKE THIS IS WELL SUITED TO DO.
UM, GENTRIFICATION, I WAS HOPING FOR SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL.
FROM WHAT TYPE OF, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS MODERATE INCOME
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HOUSING PROVISIONS.MY CONCERN IS, IS THE INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES FROM THIS HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IS, IS GOING TO AFFECT AFFORDABILITY AND DISPLACEMENT COST DISPLACED.
WELL, WHY DON'T ANYBODY THAT'S BUILDING CHEAP APARTMENTS, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD ANOTHER NOVI
I, THERE, THERE ARE, AND MAYBE, MAYBE THERE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME RATIOS FOR EVERY, I MEAN, RIGHT ALONG REDWOOD ROAD RIGHT NOW THERE ARE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE THAT IF WE'RE DISPLACING THOSE, THEN WE NEED TO SAY FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE IT WITH FOUR OR FIVE OR SOMETHING UNITS THAT ARE REASONABLY AFFORDABLE THAT MEET THAT MODERATE INCOME HOUSING GOAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SALT 2080.
YEAH, THAT'S SALT LAKES DOING.
SALT LAKE CITY HAS GOT IRISES THAT HAVE AFFORDABLE UNITS ALONG WITH UH, YOU KNOW, PENTHOUSES THAT HAVE, THAT ARE MULTIMILLION.
YOU JUST APPROVED AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR CITY CENTER CORE ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAD A MINIMUM WHAT, 10% AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I THINK WE COULD EASILY WRAP THAT IN.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S PART OF THE, I LIKE HAVE YOU LOOKED AT SALT LAKES? HAVE I REALLY LIKED SOME OF THE STUFF.
I LIKED THE YEAH, THAT'S THE THING.
SO YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS FOR 45 MINUTES.
WHAT IS THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE NEED ON THIS? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE ANY DECISIONS NEXT 15 MINUTES.
WHAT ARE YOU GUYS LOOKING FROM US? WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? I THINK WE'VE DONE A LOT OF IT, BUT WHAT POISON PILLS ARE IN HERE THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE.
WHAT IS ANYTHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN THOUGHT OF THAT WE NEED TO ADD TO THIS SO THAT WHEN IT DOES COME BACK, IT'S, CAN I GIVE YOU SOME, JUST SOME TECHNICAL STUFF.
THERE'S WAY TOO MANY SHELLS HERE.
SHELL SHALL IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU READ THE BIBLE ON I LIKE SHALL GUIDELINES, DRAFTING AND GUIDELINES FOR DRAFTING AND EDITING, UM, LEGISLATION SHALL, IS ONLY USED IN VERY SPECIFIC PLACES THAT YOU WILL DO THIS.
AND THERE'S OTHER WAYS OF DOING IT.
UM, PARTICULARLY THERE'S A COUPLE OF SEC SECTIONS THAT SAY WHERE POSSIBLE YOU SHALL DO THIS.
WELL THAT'S AMBIGU AMBIGUOUS AND WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.
IT'S EITHER YOU DO IT OR YOU DON'T.
UM, OR IT'S AN EXCEPTION OR IT'S NOT.
UM, AND SO I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, PULL OUT DRAFTING GUIDES.
UM, ALAN'S GOT ONE, BRIAN GARNER'S GOT ONE.
AND WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN CLEAN THIS UP AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE 15 PAGES.
WE, WE COULD PROBABLY ELIMINATE THREE OR FOUR PAGES OF EXTRANEOUS WORDS.
WELL, I DO KNOW IF WE PULL UP THE IMAGES AND THE TABLES, IT SOUNDS LIKE FINE
SO I JUST, IS THERE, IS THERE ANYONE, I KNOW YOU WERE NOT WANTING FAST FOOD LISTED, YOU WERE NOT WANTING FAST FOOD LISTED.
I DON'T WANT FAST FOOD LISTED THERE.
ONE MORE THAT DOESN'T, I THINK WE CAN CUT THAT OUT AND AS FAST DEVELOPERS COME TO US, I THINK IT COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF THIS, JUST LOOK DOWN THAT LIST.
UM, IS IT, IS IT EASIER TO, TO SIMPLIFY THAT LIST? THE ZONING ADMINISTRATORS GOT A LOT OF AUTHORITY IN THIS TO SAY WHAT A LIKE USE IS.
UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE, DO WE NEED, YOU KNOW, MASSAGE THERAPY IN THERE FOR EXAMPLE, CAN IT BE, OR WHAT'S A SIMILAR USE TO THAT? AND WE JUST CREATE SOME GENERAL CATEGORIES FOR THIS.
YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? YOU CAN, YEAH.
I HAD ONE QUESTION ON HOW CAN WE INCORPORATE TIFF INTO THIS FOR BUILDING UP MORE PARKING GARAGES IS SOMETHING THAT HAS, MAYBE I HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT VERY DEEP AND IT WOULDN'T PROHIBIT, BUT THAT, THAT THOSE ARE TOOLS, SEPARATE TOOLS.
IS THAT, IS THAT A SEPARATE TOOL THAT THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THAT'S GONNA BE 50TH PER ACRE AND I THINK 10% LONGER GARAGES BECAUSE THEY WELL, EXACTLY, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YOU CAN USE A TIFF TO, TO TO OFFSET THE COST OF A PUBLIC ION, NOT THESE SMALLER AREAS.
I THINK YOU CAN USE THE SMALLER AREAS.
WELL LIKE IT CAN BE AN RDA THAT COVERS A LARGE AREA.
AND WE HAVE THOSE TOOLS TO THAT THAT CAN BE USED RIGHT NOW.
WOULDN'T PROHIBIT THAT PROBABLY BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE USING THE IN THE BACK PARTS, THE UNDERGROUND FIRST LEVEL WOULD BE THE PARKING AND THE PEOPLE PODIUM STYLE.
THAT'S HOW THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S HOW MOST PEOPLE WOULD HANDLE THIS.
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SO YOU'RE LOOKING TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR A VOTE? UM, WE, I KNOW THAT, BUT, BUT ONE MORE NEED FROM US TO MAKE THE CHANGES BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO US CAN SQUEEZE INTO THIS ONE.SORRY GUYS, BUT IT'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WEDGE MY WAY INTO THIS ONE.
UM, I I, I THINK THIS ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE, IT, IT'S LIKE THE CITY CENTER ZONE STRETCHED OUT TO ME.
IT'S SAYING WE, WE HAVE A DESIGNATED AREA OF THE CITY.
WE HAVE A DESIGNATED VISION FOR IT AND THIS IS, THIS IS HOW YOU COMPLY WITH THAT AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT YOU TO BRING TO US, MR. DEVELOPER.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANY TEETH IF IT'S JUST AN OPTION.
I THINK WE REZONE THE WHOLE CORRIDOR AND YOU DO THE WHOLE THING.
UM, SOMEBODY SAID THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE.
IF IT'S GONNA HAVE ANY TEETH OTHERWISE, LIKE IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP.
IF YOU WANNA PUT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IN, JUST DON'T REZONE IT TO THIS, REZONE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE OR JUST USE WHATEVER'S ALREADY THERE OR WHATEVER.
YOU'VE GOT NO TEETH TO IT AT ALL.
IF YOU'RE NOT JUST GONNA BLANKETLY APPLY THIS.
I THINK I I THINK IT'S UH, IT'S A WHOLE LOT OF CONSTERNATION OVER NOTHING IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA JUST PUT IT IN.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO LONG.
I THINK MOST OF IT'S PICTURES OR AT LEAST YOU KNOW, A THIRD OF IT IS, IS PICTURES, WHICH I THINK ARE HELPFUL AND GOOD.
SO I THINK YOU'RE ONLY, YOU KNOW, NINE OR 10 PAGES OF CODE.
AND I THINK WHEN YOU'RE DEFINING ITS OWN, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
FORM-BASED ZONING IS, I THINK THE WAY THAT THE COUNCIL HAS DECIDED WE WANTED TO GO JUST IN GENERAL BECAUSE WE WANNA EVALUATE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS ON THEIR MERITS AS THEY COME TO US.
NOT NECESSARILY BASED ON WHAT SOME PREVIOUS COUNSEL OR WHATEVER THOUGHT, UH, SHOULD BE IN A CODE.
SO LET'S TAKE THIS FORM-BASED ZONING AND LET'S RUN WITH IT AND LET'S SEE, LET'S SEE WHAT KIND OF PROPOSALS WE GET.
EVERY ONE OF THESE IS GONNA NEED AN MDA AND AN MDP.
SO WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT EVERY DETAIL AND STREETLIGHT AND FENCE TYPE AND WHATEVER AS THEY COME IN BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE IN THOSE MDAS.
SO, UH, THIS, THERE'S, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS.
I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BLANKETLY APPLIED.
AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF WE COULD GET THROUGH MORE THAN ONE OR TWO OF THE SLIDES BEFORE WE JUST DIG INTO EVERYTHING AND, AND NOT, UH, NOT, YOU KNOW, COME TO CONCLUSIONS BEFORE WE'VE GOTTEN THE, THE PRESENTATION HERE.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT ACTUAL LET ZONE AND SO REZONE THOSE PROPERTIES? YEAH, YOU HAVE FIVE WE GO.
CAN I SUGGEST A REASON WHY YOU MIGHT NOT? I WANT TO ZONE THOSE PROPERTIES.
IF THE, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THE CITY HAS TO TAKE A ROLE IN ASSEMBLING PROPERTIES, YOU MAY WANT TO LEAVE, NOT BLANKET REZONE REDWOOD ROAD, BUT ACQUIRE, ASSEMBLE PROPERTIES WHERE YOU THINK THIS WOULD APPLY ONCE YOU'VE ASSEMBLED THE PROPERTIES, THEN REZONE IT TO THIS.
IF YOU BLANKET REZONE IN ADVANCE, YOU'VE AFFECTED THE VALUES BEFORE YOU ACQUIRE THE PROPERTIES.
THIS IS BEING PROACTIVE WHERE WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN A REACTIVE CITY AND THIS IN A WAY IS BEING PROACTIVE IN WHAT WE WANNA SEE HAPPEN.
THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO MATCH PLAN FUTURE MATTERS.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE DON'T WANNA SPEND MORE MONEY.
IF, IF THE CITY'S EVER GOING TO PLAY A ROLE IN ASSEMBLING PROPERTIES ALONG REDWOOD ROAD TO TRY TO AFFECT THIS REDEVELOPMENT.
YOU MENTIONED TIFF USE OF T YEAH, THAT'S THE GOVERNMENT TAKING AN ACTIVE ROLE AND TRYING TO PUSH DEVELOPMENT IN A WAY WE WANT TO PUSH IT MORE THAN JUST, UM, AN ACTIVE ROLE SETTING THE ZONE.
AND SO IT, IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT ROLE YOU WANNA DO.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE.
SO TO EVOLVE PROBLEM CHANGING THE FUTURE OF LAND USE MAP TO SAY NO, WE'RE NOT.
IF, IF I WERE GOING GOING TO TAKE THE STEP, I WOULD THINK THAT THE STEP THAT WE WOULD WANNA TAKE FIRST IS CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO SAY THAT'S WHAT WE WANT AND THEN, THEN WE CAN'T GET THE OTHER ZONE.
'CAUSE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND ASK FOR A REZONE, UH, FOR, FOR SOME OTHER, FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND SO THEN, THEN THEY CAN SPECIFICALLY APPLY THIS ZONE WHEN THEY GO IN IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ALREADY APPROVES IT AND THEN THAT REZONE SHOULD BE SIMPLER.
SO THAT'S WHERE I, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LEAN WOULD BE WITH THE FUTURE LAND INSTEAD OF BLANKET ZONING THE LAND.
RIGHT NOW I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP SAYING THOSE FUTURE IS,
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THAT'S WHERE I'D LEAN.YEAH, THERE'S THERE, THERE'S INCREMENTS, THERE'S, THERE'S BABY STEPS.
THAT WOULD BE THE THE FIRST STEP.
LAND USE, FUTURE LAND USE MATTER.
THERE'S ALSO THE IOZ UM, EXAMPLE WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY, UH, IF YOU LOOK IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, WE, WE'VE ALREADY TELEGRAPHED THE INTENTION OF AREAS THAT WE HAVE CARVED OUT.
UH, IT'S NOT ZONED IOC UNTIL THE DEVELOPER COMES AND BRING TO THE MDA MP TO COUNCIL AND THAT'S APPROVED.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF A, A HALF STEP FURTHER THAN JUST CHANGING THE, THE GENERAL THAT WAS KIND OF MEMBER COUNCIL APPROACH.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS.
SO I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING CORVIN WITH, WITH AFFECTING THE PROPERTY VALUES BEFORE YOU, YOU JUMP IN AND PURCHASE.
BUT I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH PAMELA THAT I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BETTER TO PUT IT OUT THERE AS AS AS FORCEFULLY AS WE CAN TO, AND, YOU KNOW, TO, TO PUT THE MESSAGE OUT THERE.
THIS IS, THIS IS REDWOOD ROAD, THIS IS, THIS IS OUR DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, EXTENDED WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY.
AND, AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA BE AND WE'RE GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE AND IF WE CAN FACILITATE IT, WE, YEAH, WE GOTTA PLAY IN THE SANDBOX THAT WE BUILT.
AND THAT MAY NOT BE QUITE AS, UM, COST EFFECTIVE, BUT I THINK IT WILL MINIMIZE THE CITY'S NE UM, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? I CANNOT THINK MINIMIZE THE, THE, THE, THE NECESSITY OF THE CITY'S INVOLVEMENT AND THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALREADY PUTTING IT OUT THERE SO THAT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES UP WILL, WILL ALREADY FIT THE THING AND YOU WON'T NEED THE CITY TO ASSEMBLE THE PARCELS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT PARKER? RIGHT? IT IT, YEAH.
CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY, RIGHT? I I THINK ZACH'S POINT IS VERY WELL TAKEN.
IF YOU REZONE IT, YOU POSSIBLY ENCOURAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO ASSEMBLE THE PARCELS SO THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO ASSIST WITH TRYING TO NUDGE THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTION YOU WANT.
I DON'T, IT'S HARD TO READ THE T LEAVES.
UH, BUT ZACH'S POINT IS VERY WELL TAKEN.
IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD, WE WOULD CARVE OUT THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL.
NOT INCLUDE, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP RIGHT NOW, IT INCLUDES A LOT, A LOT OF THE EXISTING SC TWO AND AND SO FORTH.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD MODIFY THIS
AND, AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH EVEN SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL ON TOP.
LIKE THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE OPTION.
THEY'RE PUTTING APARTMENTS ON TOP OF COSTCO NOW, SO YOU KNOW.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A VERY VIABLE OPTION AS, AS, AS DEVELOPERS COME IN AND LOOK AT THIS.
BUT I THINK WE, WE NEED TO BE A MORE PROACTIVE CITY.
AND THIS IS A GREAT START TO THAT.
I'LL TAKE A COSTCO WITH APARTMENTS ON TOP ON REDWOOD ROAD, TRADER JOE STEAKHOUSE.
UM, I GUESS THE LAST POINT IS WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE FEE AND LI I KNOW, UM, THE CONSENSUS OR WHAT WE HEARD IS, IT'S MAYBE TOO COMPLICATED, BUT IS THAT IDEA IF WE CAN MAKE IT SIMPLER, SOMETHING THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN, OR NO, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S TOO COMPLICATED.
I JUST FEAR THERE'S, THERE'S FALLOUT AND SOME NEGATIVES THAT WE CAN'T QUITE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT CORNERING OURSELVES WITH SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS GOING TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT WHAT WE WANNA ACHIEVE.
I'M STILL, I'M STILL TORN ABOUT THAT ONE.
GOING TO TRANSFER RATES AND, AND WE PROB MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER SESSION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT TRANSFER RIGHTS AND HIGHER DENSITY HERE.
OFFSETTING LOWER DENSITY SOMEPLACE ELSE.
SENDING RECEIVING ZONES CAN GET VERY COMPLICATED.
THEY CAN, BUT I THINK WITH THIS AREA, PARTICULARLY ALONG REDWOOD ROAD, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RIVER AGRICULTURE.
I WOULD LOVE TO, YEAH, NARROW THE SCOPE.
I, IT IT NEEDS TO HAVE A NEXUS AND A CONNECTIVITY.
YOU'RE IMPACTING THE, THE USE OF PARKS IN THIS SIDE OF THE CITY.
THEREFORE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THOSE MONIES COLLECTED STAY HERE FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
LIKE IT MAY FUND CITYWIDE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT'S GONNA DILUTE THE DIRECT BENEFITS FOR THE CZ AREA.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM US? WE'LL GET WORKING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND INFO.
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LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GOT A SIX 30 CUTOFF.I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE TIME TO FINISH ALL.
SO LET'S GET THROUGH THE DISCUSSION OF COUNCIL MEMBERS ON EXTERNAL BOARDS.
YOU WANNA BRING THAT UP, ALAN? AND THEN IF WE HAVE TIME, YEAH, JUST TRY MOVE THE COUNCILS COMPENSATION TO THE NEXT MEETING.
SO LET'S, I THINK WE COULD DO THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY.
SO BEFORE WE START, UM, I CAN'T ASK YOU THE QUESTION AND HE GOES, HOW DOES THIS WORK? YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SECOND YEAR HE'S BEEN HERE, SO MY THOUGHTS ARE IF YOU WANT TO STAY ON, GREAT.
BUT IF YOU WANNA BE ON BOARD, YOU HAVE BEEN ON OUT THERE.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I, I'M ON CHAMBER WEST.
I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THERE A YEAR.
I FEEL LIKE I BARELY GOT ALL MY DUCKS IN ROW THERE AND WANTED TO DO ANOTHER YEAR.
BUT IS THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO GET THERE AS WELL.
BUT, BUT THAT OCCURRED LAST YEAR TOO, WHEN I WANTED TO STAY IN SOME OF MY POSITIONS.
I HAD ALWAYS BEEN THERE A YEAR AND I GOT OFF.
I SAY WE HAD NEW PEOPLE, SO, SO I CAN'T TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT.
WELL I DIDN'T SAY THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE TO THAT.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS, IS START AT THE TOP.
LPC, THE MAYOR IS ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
AND SO THE COUNCIL HAS A VOTING POSITION ON LPC AND THEY MEET THE SECOND MONDAYS AT NOON, UH, WHEN THE LEGISLATURE'S NOT IN SESSION.
AND WE, UH, AND THEY MEET WEEKLY DURING THE SESSION.
AND THIS ONE IS A SET, OR NO, I'M SORRY.
WE HAVE TWO, TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THEY'RE VOTING, THEY CANNOT BE SWITCHED.
SO IF, IF, UH, IF COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON CAN'T GO AND SOMEONE ELSE GOES, COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON HAS THE VOTE.
HE CAN'T, CAN'T MOVE THE VOTE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A SET THING.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON AND COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB THAT ARE ON LPC, UH, AND LPC IS, UM, WITH THE UTAH LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS.
I'VE ENJOYED WORKING ON LPC, BUT IF SOMEBODY HAS A STRONG INTEREST IN DOING THAT, I, I'M WILLING TO STEP, STEP BACK FROM THAT AND LET 'EM, LET 'EM JUMP IN.
BUT IF THERE'S NO REAL INTEREST, I'LL CONTINUE WANT TO, BUT I THINK I HAVE A CONFLICT WITH MONDAY MEETINGS DURING THE SESSION.
YOU'RE THERE EVERY WEEK? UM, NO, IT'S IN THE CAPITOL BUILDING.
OH, IT'S IN HALLS, BUT IT'S INTENSE.
I HAD TO GIVE YOU A HARD TIME.
IT'S MY NUMBER ONE COMMITTEE TO WANNA DO, BUT, UH, TOO MANY CONFLICTS DURING THAT TIME.
SOMETIMES IT GETS HEATED, NOT JUST
SO SOMETIMES, SO I GUESS I'M GONNA ASK, DOES COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON AND JACOB STILL PREFER THAT, OR COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK IS INTERESTED.
I'M HAPPY TO STAY ON, BUT IF, IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED, I'M HAPPY TO STEP BACK.
IT FITS WELL WITH ME BECAUSE I'M GONNA BE AT THE CAPITOL PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE SESSION ANYWAY, SO YOU CAN'T DO SECOND MONIES ANYWAY.
'CAUSE SECOND MONIES AT TWO IS THE MOSQUITO BOARD, SO PUT ON A SECOND BREAKFAST.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE KEEPING IT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON AND JACOB FOR 2025.
UH, COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, THEY MEET QUARTERLY JANUARY, MAY, AUGUST AND NOVEMBER.
TYPICALLY THE THIRD THURSDAY DURING LUNCHTIME, UM, THIS WEEK.
AND THAT'S THE MAYOR AND A COUNCIL MEMBER IN FIRST CLASS CITIES, WHICH WE ARE CURRENTLY, THAT'S COUNCIL MEMBER BEDOR AND MAYOR BURTON.
SO I DON'T, THAT IS ONE I'VE NOT BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT.
JUST 'CAUSE I TRIED TO GET SOMETHING KIND OF, UH, I, I JUST HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD ABOUT THAT ONE WITH MY WORK.
I CAN, COUNCIL WOULD WANNA DO THAT.
UNLESS IF SOMEONE WANTS IT, THEY CAN HAVE IT.
BUT I'LL TRY TO WORK BETTER AT IT.
I, IT'S THURSDAY, COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT IS WITH ALL, ALL THE CITIES I KNOW.
COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT IS WITH ALL THE MAYORS MAYOR.
PERHAPS THEY COULD HAVE A CMC.
THEY, THEY APPOINT POSITIONS FOR LIKE
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COUNCIL AND OTHER POSITIONS LIKE THAT.I WAS ASKED BY SOMEONE IN THE CHAMBER ON THAT, SO THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERRED.
BUT COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB WANTS TO STAY.
SO NO, YOU CAN TAKE, YOU CAN TAKE THE ALTERNATE.
I KNOW, BUT I WOULDN'T WANNA DO TWO ON THURSDAY.
BECAUSE, WELL, IF YOU WANT CHAMBER, I'M FINE WITH THAT CONFLICT.
SO COG NO, IT SOUNDS LIKE I, I'LL DO COG AND SHE'LL DO CHAMBER.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WANTED TO DO THAT ONE.
SO COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB FOR COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE CHAMBER WILL BE COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK.
AND THIS ONE, I'VE GOTTA REMEMBER YOU'RE THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS.
WHICH ONE ARE YOU? BOARD OF DIRECTOR? IT'S ON BOTH.
SO IT'D BE BOTH BOARD OF GOVERNORS AND BOARD OF DIRECTORS MAYOR.
SO DO THEY BOTH? UH, ONE DOES AND THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T.
I BELIEVE ONE, THE DIRECTORS IS THE COUNCIL.
THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS IS THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
AND THE MAYOR DOES NOT GO TO BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
ARE THEY BOTH HELD WITH THE HOSPITAL DIRECTORS? UH, DEPENDS.
SO WHITELOCK AND GREEN, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS THE ALTERNATE, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I, I, BECAUSE THE, BECAUSE THE PRIMARY PERSON DOES, DOES MOST OF THE STUFF.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BEING AN ALTERNATE ON THE SHORT CHAMBER LIST TO TALK.
THE ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPAL COUNCILS.
THIS ONE IS TYPICALLY THE SECOND TUESDAY AT NOON, WHICH IS THE SAME DAY WE DO COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEETING, BUT IT'S AT, NO, NOT FOUR.
UM, THEY CHOOSE THE CHAIR IN JANUARY AND THEY MEET AT THE CHAIR CITY LOCATION.
SO WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN WAS ON IT AND HE BECAME THE CHAIR, THEY MET AT WEST JORDAN CITY HALL.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THE CHAIR, THEY HAVEN'T VOTED YET, HAVE THEY? WELL, WE DID NOT HAVE A MEETING IN JANUARY, SO WE WILL HAVE A MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
SO IS THERE AN INTEREST ON THE ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPAL COUNCIL? I'M FINE.
ZOOM ON IT UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO.
I'VE BEEN ON IT FOR TWO YEARS NOW.
I SO SOMEONE ELSE LEAVE BOTH OF YOU? SURE.
WE HAVE THE WEST JORDAN YOUTH COUNCIL.
THAT ONE CURRENTLY IS COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN COUNCIL MEMBER DORA.
THEY MEET ONCE A MONTH DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, AND THEY HAVE SOME SERVICE PROJECTS.
THEY'RE GONNA BE AT THE, UH, LOCAL OFFICIALS DAY UP AT THE LEGISLATURE AND, UH, WEEK 10 DAYS OR SO, EIGHT DAYS.
UM, SO WE CAN HAVE UP TO THREE ON THAT.
SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS, I'LL STAY, I'LL STAY BUT CAN MOVE IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS IT.
SO BLOOM GREEN BEDOR, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT.
THEY MEET LIKE FOUR O'CLOCK AFTER SCHOOL.
IT WILL CHANGE BECAUSE YEAH, WE'RE JUST GONNA, THE CITY THAT HAS BEEN THE SECOND TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH, THEY WILL CHANGE WITH OUR, WITH OUR SCHEDULE.
SO I'VE GOT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS BLOOM, GREEN AND BEDO ON YOUTH COUNCIL.
THE OTHER ONES, UH, LAST YEAR, UH, YOU DIDN'T CHOOSE TO HAVE THOSE COMMITTEES, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE DEFINED IN COUNCIL RULES.
THAT'S UTILITY AND ENTERPRISE LAND USE, GENERAL PLAN, MAYOR APPOINTMENTS, COUNCIL RULES.
THE ONLY ONE THAT IS REQUIRED BY LAW IS THE BUDGET AND AUDIT COMMITTEE.
UM, YOU WILL BE HAVING A MEETING SHORTLY, AS SOON AS WE GET THE AUDIT LETTER BACK, WHICH I THINK, UH, THE STACK IS EXPECTING AROUND THE END OF JANUARY FROM THE AUDITORS.
UM, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S REQUIRED.
SO THAT TWICE I WANNA START, I WANNA START WITH THE BUDGET AUDIT, SINCE IT'S, IS THERE THREE OF YOU THAT WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THE BUDGET ON IT? THERE'S ABOUT, SOMEONE WANTS TO BE ON IT.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA BE ON IT? I'LL DO IT, BUT I, I ENJOYED IT FOR THE THINK SHOULD BE ON IT.
SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE OFF? YEAH.
SO SHELTON'S OFF, WHITE LOCK'S ADDED.
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THINK SHE'D DO A BETTER JOB THAN ME.COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB AND GREEN.
DO YOU WANNA STAY ON IT OR IS THERE ANY OTHERS? I REALLY ENJOYED IT THE FIRST TWO YEARS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS ONLY TWO MEETINGS.
IT WASN'T, YEAH, NO, I WASN'T GOOD.
IS THERE INTEREST FOR I YOU CHANGE UP THE CHAIR THOUGH? I MEAN, DIDN'T DO MUCH.
I JUST START OF THE MEETING NOW.
WE COULD HAVE CHAIR WHITELOCK.
I MEAN, CAN, WE CAN HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK CHAIR IT OR A CHAIR.
PUT HER AS THE, AS THE CHAIR AND PUT ME AS THE MEMBER.
THIS IS A GROUP THAT MEETS OCCASIONALLY WHEN WE WANNA DISCUSS CHANGES TO COUNCIL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
LAST YEAR, COUNCIL HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, JUST DOING IT IN A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, UM, WITH THE SEVEN OF YOU.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
UM, BUT YOU STILL HAVE ADVICE AND CONSENT FOR STATUTORY POSITION, LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS DEPARTMENT HEADS WHEN THOSE WERE, ARE TO COME FORWARD AND CHANGED.
LIKE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, BUT ALSO ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING THE COMMUNITY WHOLE.
WELL, WE, WE, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT HOW WE WANT DO ADVICE AND CONSENT.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MEANINGFUL ADVICE CONSENT IS, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THIS OR SOMETHING ELSE.
SO NOTHING ON MAYOR OR I WAS JUST GOING TO GENERAL PLAN.
WE, WE'VE GOTTA START GENERAL PLAN AGAIN BECAUSE WE WERE GONNA UPDATE PARTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN ONCE A YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND WE'RE ALREADY A YEAR BEHIND NOW, SO WE'VE GOTTA HAVE THIS ONE WHERE WE CAN BRING RESIDENTS IN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT SECTION OF THE GENERAL PLAN WE'RE GONNA, SO YEAH, GENERAL PLAN'S ONE WE'VE GOTTA HAVE THIS YEAR.
IS THERE THREE OF YOU THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE GENERAL PLAN COMMITTEE? ANYBODY HERE? ZACH, DO YOU WANNA BE ON THAT ONE? TALK TO THE CEILING.
YOU CAN PUT BEYOND GENERAL PLAN THERE.
IS THE COMMITTEE GOING TO DO THE, THE WE, WE'VE GOT, UH, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MINUTES.
I'M NOT, I HAVEN'T GONE BACK TO LOOK AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND WHAT THE OUTCOMES WERE, BUT IT IS THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ANNUAL.
I THINK IT WAS EVERY A COUPLE OF YEARS THAT WE, BUT WE WERE GONNA DO, WE, WE TAKE, THERE WERE LIKE 10 CHAPTERS AND WE WERE GONNA TAKE TWO CHAPTERS A YEAR AND UPDATE IT SO THAT THE GENERAL PLANS AREN'T ROTATING UPDATES.
INSTEAD OF DOING THE MASSIVE WAIT, WAIT 10 YEARS AND UPDATE IT AND HAVE IT BE COMPLETELY SCREWED UP, I'LL BE A MEMBER.
SO JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO ME LIKE THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE MUCH ON IT.
HAS BE DID A LOT STAFF DID A LOT
BUT, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE COUNCIL COMMITTEES GONNA, I THINK I JUST WANT SOMEBODY.
IT'S JUST ATTENDING THE GENERAL PLAN MEETING.
THE GENERAL PLAN IS RUN BY THROWING ON A CHAIR, VICE CHAIR THING.
IT'S JUST YOU'RE ATTENDING THE MEETING THERE TO SUPPORT.
SO I, MAYBE WE COULD JUST PUT ME AND KELVIN ON THERE AND LEAVE IT THAT PAMELA WANTED TO DO IT SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S ALSO ONE THAT WE BROUGHT TO THE, COULD BE THE HALL, BECAUSE BEFORE IT WAS THE THREE OF THE THREE OF US ARE DOING IT.
AND THEN THE OTHER FOUR WERE LIKE, WHAT? SO WE DON'T NEED THAT COMMITTEE 'CAUSE WE'LL JUST DO LAND USE HERE.
ALTHOUGH I THINK WE WERE PROVIDING SOME VALUABLE FEEDBACK TO DEVELOPERS.
I THINK WE WERE, BUT THE BIGGER THING I HEARD WAS THE OTHER FOUR THAT WEREN'T ON IT.
WELL, GIVEN THE WAY THINGS ARE WORKING THESE DAYS, THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE THE THREE AND IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTED TO JOIN THEM.
WELL, THE REASON IT WAS THREE IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUR, YOU HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING, UM, UH, BY DEFINITION IT'S NOT A PUBLIC MEETING ANYMORE.
WELL, AND THE, THE OTHER FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS IT BECAME SEEN AS A NECESSARY STEP IN THE PROCESS RATHER THAN A WAY FOR A DEVELOPER TO GET QUICK AND EASY FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, YOU KNOW, IN EARLY STAGE KIND OF A THING.
UM, AND IT BECAME SEEN AS, WELL IT'S GOTTA GO TO THE LAND USE COMMITTEE FIRST, WHEN THAT WAS NEVER REALLY THE INTENT.
AND SO IT KIND OF GREW BEYOND ITS BRITCHES A LITTLE BIT, WHICH IS WHY WE KIND OF KILLED IT AND SAID, LET'S JUST DO IT IN COMMITTEE THE WHOLE ANYWAY.
AND I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S BROKE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'S GOOD THE DEVELOPER WANTS OTHER COUNCIL FEEDBACK EARLIER THAN THAT.
THEY'RE FREE TO GIVE US A CALL OR SHOOT US AN EMAIL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN DOING.
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DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO KEEP DOING THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING? YEAH.HEY, UM, THE REASON I CHOSE TO DO THIS IN THE WORK SESSION IS THERE'S REALLY NOTHING HERE THAT REQUIRES A RESOLUTION, UM, OR A FORMAL ADOPTION BECAUSE IT'S JUST YOU, YOU'RE CHOOSING WHAT YOUR COMMITMENTS ARE MAKES IT EASIER JUST TO CHAT ABOUT IT TOO.
SO THIS IS THE END OF WHAT YOU'LL SEE WITH THIS.
I WILL NOTIFY THE DIFFERENT BOARDS OF WHO THEIR, UH, CONTACTS WILL BE WHERE THERE'S A CHANGE.
SO ARE WE DOING A UTILITY RATE ONE? OH, SORRY.
DID, DID YOU WANT TO DO THE UTILITY RATE AND ENTERPRISE FUND? THAT COMMITTEE, UH, HAS A NEVER MET THAT.
I'M AWARE OF
WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, IS DO WE NEED THAT COMMITTEE AND DO WE WANT THAT COMMITTEE? UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY WITH THE PRIOR COUNCIL, BUT THAT REALLY IS KIND OF A SUBSET OF BUDGET AND AUDIT AND COULD PROBABLY FALL UNDER BUDGET AUDIT IS WHAT I RECALL.
'CAUSE SO, SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, LET'S, LET'S LEAVE IT THE WAY IT'S BEEN FALL UNDER BUDGET.
SO FOR NEXT YEAR, JUST WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS.
DO YOU TAKE OUT THOSE ONES THAT WE'VE ALREADY DECIDED NOT TO DO? UM, WE, WE NEED TO AMEND COUNCIL RULES 'CAUSE THOSE COMMITTEES ARE LISTED IN COUNCIL RULES AS SUBCOMMITTEES OF THE COUNCIL.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER TIME NEXT YEAR TRYING TO GET COMMITTEES THAT DON'T EXIST.
SO YEAH, I THINK YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THIS DURING A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ON COUNT TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS COMING TO COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THIS TOPIC.
YOU STILL HAVE, WE HAVE A SECOND.
CAN I BE SUPPOSED CHIME IN CHAIR FOR ONE REQUEST ON? YEAH, THERE WERE SOME OTHER COMMITTEES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, I, AT THE RETREAT THIS WEEKEND, THERE WAS A TALK ABOUT IMPLEMENTING PUBLIC ART.
UM, WE'D LIKE A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE WILLING TO BE ON AN INFORMAL COMMITTEE, UH, TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE OF FEEDBACK ON SELECTING PUBLIC ART.
I'M GONNA VOLUNTEER, UH, ZACH RIGHT OFF TOP SINCE HE'S THE ONE THAT SPEARHEADING THIS.
YOU NEED ANOTHER ONE? 2, 2, 2 IS GREAT.
SO WHO, WHO IS THAT ONE? JACOB BLOOM.
DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHERS? THAT'S IT.
UM, YOU COULD GO 15 OR 20 MINUTES, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET BOTH ITEMS IN THE OPUS ABOUT 20 MINUTES BY ITSELF.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE TAKING 20 MINUTES.
WELL, I, I ANTICIPATE TAKING LONGER ON THE NEXT ONE FOR COMPENSATION, UNLESS NOBODY HAS ANYTHING TO SAY.
ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S DO OPEN, I'LL TAKE A STRAW POLL.
DO YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK FROM THE 15 MINUTES ABOUT COMPENSATION OR DO YOU WANT TO ADJOURN AND GET READY FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS NOT TILL SEVEN.
CAN WE DO OPEN? LET'S DO, CAN YOU DO OPEN IN 15 MINUTES AND 10 SECONDS? I JUST THINK WE NEED MORE TIME.
CAN CAN WE LET HIM DO IT IN 15 MINUTES? YEAH, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
ALAN, WILL YOU, IN OUR MEETING FRIDAY, WILL YOU TALK TO ME AND JILLIAN ABOUT MOVING THE COMPENSATION TO THE NEXT YEAH.
KNOW WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT CAPACITY IN THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
NOW WE'VE GOT 14 MINUTES AND 50 SECONDS GOING.
HERE'S THE GOOD THING ABOUT OMA IS THAT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT ALREADY, RIGHT? UH, SO THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING, UH, NEW OR REVOLUTIONARY.
UM, BUT AS WE KNOW, OMA REQUIRES, HAS REQUIRED FOR A LONG TIME THAT THERE BE ANNUAL TRAINING.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH THAT.
WE TAKE THE TIME TO, UH, GO THROUGH WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES HERE.
UH, WHENEVER I'M THINKING ABOUT OMA, I ALWAYS LIKE TO START WITH, UH, THE GENERAL INTENT IS STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE STATUTE.
UH, IT'S LOOKING TO HAVE THE STATE, ITS AGENCIES, POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS, TAKE ACTIONS OPENLY AND CONDUCT DELIBERATIONS OPENLY.
BASICALLY, WHENEVER THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT OMA, I THINK WE TRY TO FAVOR THE SIDE OF TAKING ACTIONS OPENLY, BUT ALSO CONDUCTING DELIBERATIONS OPENLY.
UM, ACTIONS IS OBVIOUS, MOSTLY BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE ACTIONS IF THEY'RE NOT DONE IN AN OPEN MEETING.
DELIBERATIONS GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, NUANCED, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.
WE CAN LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, OPEN REQUIRES THAT ANY MEETING OF A PUBLIC BODY BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, OMA ALSO, UH, SETS FORTH FRAMEWORK FOR NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, UH, RECORD KEEPING, UH, ALL OF THE OTHER KIND OF GENERAL STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH.
AND THEN ALSO CONTAINS SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS.
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UH, I LIKE TO ALWAYS, UH, KEEP IN MIND AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH OMA TRAINING THAT A HUGE CHUNK OF THE OMA COMPLIANCE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL IS TAKEN CARE OF BY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CITY.CINDY QUICK DOES A WONDERFUL JOB TAKING CARE OF NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, MEETING OR, UH, MINUTES POSTING, ALL OF THAT.
UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH THANKS THAT WE COULD GIVE HER TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY THANK HER FOR ALL THE WORK THAT SHE DOES.
UH, TANGIE ALSO HELPS OUT A LOT WITH NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS.
UH, WHEN YOU GET THE CHANCE, PLEASE TELL THEM THANK YOU 'CAUSE THEY VERY MUCH DESERVE IT.
UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT OMA APPLIES, THE FIRST QUESTION IS, DOES IT APPLY TO THE BODY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? UH, THIS IS THE DEFINITION, UH, THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY COUNCIL.
CITY COUNCIL CLEARLY APPLIES AS A PUBLIC BODY.
IT'S CREATED BY UTAH STATUTE OF TWO OR MORE PERSONS SUPPORTED BY TAX REVENUE, VESTED WITH AUTHORITY TO MAKE DECISIONS REGARDING THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS.
HERE WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE, UH, IN THE DEFINITION OF A MEETING IN THE 2024 SESSION.
UH, REPRESENTATIVE DUNGAN, UH, MADE SOME CHANGES, UH, TO THE DEFINITION OF A MEETING.
AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD VERSION OF THE LAW, BASICALLY WHAT HE DID IS HE TOOK TWO SEPARATE DEFINITIONS THAT EXISTED AND COMPRESS THEM INTO JUST ONE DEFINITION.
NOW, BEFORE THERE WAS A DEFINITION OR CONVENE, UH, AND THEN A SEPARATE DEFINITION FOR MEETING AND WHAT A MEETING WAS, IS IT WAS WHEN IT WAS CONVENED WITH THIS BODY OF THE MEMBERS THERE.
BUT, SO NOW INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO, HE BRINGS IT TOGETHER.
BUT IN DOING SO, WE KIND OF LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF THE DEFINITION OF CONVENE.
WHETHER THAT HELPS THINGS OR CONFUSE THINGS MORE, I WILL LEAVE TO YOU TO DECIDE.
UM, BUT WHAT WE DEFINITELY KNOW IS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, IT'S NOT A MEETING.
IT'S NOT A MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR ANOTHER PUBLIC BODY, THEN IT'S NOT A MEETING.
UH, IF IT IS NOT A MEETING THAT IS CONVENED BY AN INDIVIDUAL WITH AUTHORITY TO CONVENE THE MEETING OF THAT BODY, THEN IT IS NOT A MEETING UNDER OMA.
UH, OR IF IT'S NOT FOLLOWING THE PROCESS PROVIDED BY LAW FOR CONVENING THE PUBLIC BODY AND IT IS NOT A MEETING, UH, OR IF IT IS NOT FOR THE EXPRESSED PURPOSE OF ACTING AS A PUBLIC BODY TO RECEIVE, COMMENT, DELIBERATE OR TAKE ACTION, THEN IT'S NOT A MEETING.
NOW, SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT IS THAT IF IT'S NOT A MEETING, THEN THE REQUIREMENTS OF OMA FOR NOTICE RECORD KEEPING, UH, ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING SHARED THERE, THEY DON'T APPLY.
NOW, OF COURSE, WHEN IT'S NOT A MEETING, UH, YOU CAN ALWAYS ELECT TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS THERE.
YOU CAN ALWAYS, UH, OVER DISCLOSE OR PERFORM, PROVIDE NOTICE WHEN IT'S NOT STRICTLY REQUIRED, BUT IT DOESN'T MEET THE DEFINITION OF A MEETING, THEN IT IS NOT, UH, REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE PROVISIONS OF OPA.
LIKE I SAID, WITH THE NOTICE, UH, STAFF TAKES CARE OF ALL OF THIS FOR US.
UH, BUT YOU'LL HEAR TALK SOMETIMES ABOUT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE COMPLIED WITH THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS 24 HOURS.
UH, THE NOTICE REQUIREMENT'S DIFFERENT IF IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING OR SOME SPECIFIC MEETINGS REQUIRE DIFFERENT TERMS OR, UH, PERIODS OF NOTICE BEFOREHAND.
UH, BUT 24 HOURS IS THE GENERAL RULE.
AND THEN ALSO IN THE SLIDE WE HAVE THE GENERAL INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN, UH, THAT NOTICE, UH, PLACES WHERE THE NOTICE NEEDS TO BE GIVEN.
AGAIN, STAFF TAKES CARE OF THIS FOR US.
UM, IT'S MOSTLY JUST TO HELP ALL OF US APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THEY DO.
UM, THE REASON THAT NOTICE IS IMPORTANT IS THAT IF NOTICE ISN'T GIVEN, THEN THAT TIES THE HANDS OF THE BODY AND WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH DURING THAT MEETING.
WE CAN'T CONSIDER OR ACT UPON A MATTER WHICH IS BROUGHT UP, UH, THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA UNLESS IT'S BROUGHT UP BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PRESIDING OFFICER, THE COUNCIL CHAIR.
AND YOU CAN'T ALLOW DISCUSSION ABOUT AN ITEM TO OCCUR, BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON IT UNTIL IT'S BEEN PROPERLY NOTICED IN A FUTURE MEETING, COMPLYING WITH ALL THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
OF COURSE, THERE IS SOME ALLOWANCE FOR EMERGENCY MEETINGS, UH, THAT, UH, ALLOW FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IF THERE'S EFFORT MADE TO, UH, NOTIFY EVERYBODY.
AND IF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN EMERGENCY MEETING, UH, HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.
CLOSED MEETINGS ARE ANOTHER AREA WHERE OOMA IS, UH, FREQUENTLY APPLICABLE, UH, REQUIRES SOME CONSIDERATION AND SOME CAUTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT.
UH, ANY MEETING IS AN OPEN MEETING UNLESS THERE IS A BASIS TO CLOSE IT.
UH, IN ORDER TO CLOSE IT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT.
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IT HAS TO BE A PROPERLY NOTICED MEETING BEFOREHAND.YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TWO THIRDS OF THE, UH, VOTE TO SUPPORT, UM, CLOSING IT UNLESS IT'S REQUIRED TO BE CLOSED.
BUT REALLY THE NUMBER OF SITUATIONS THAT REQUIRE CLOSURE FOR A CITY COUNCIL ARE, ARE ALMOST ZERO.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE TWO THIRDS OF THE MEMBERS VOTE TWO, FIVE.
UM, THERE IS A QUESTION THAT COMES UP FROM TIME TO TIME THAT I'VE ENCOUNTERED WHERE, UH, THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE CLOSED MEETING HAS TO BE INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.
OMA DOESN'T DIRECTLY REQUIRE THAT.
UH, WE WILL FREQUENTLY INCLUDE IT AS JUST KIND OF A GENERAL ITEM OR OTHER BODIES WILL INCLUDE IT ON EVERY MEETING AS A, UH, POTENTIAL FOR A CLOSED SESSION.
IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT UNDER OPA.
UH, BUT GENERALLY, IF WE KNOW THAT THERE IS GONNA BE A CLOSED ITEM OR A CLOSED MEETING NECESSITATED BY SOMETHING FOR THE COUNCIL, BEST PRACTICES ARE TO INCLUDE IT ON THE AGENDA.
UH, A COUPLE OF THE MOST COMMON REASONS FOR GOING INTO A CLOSED MEETING HAVE BEEN LISTED HERE.
UH, CHARACTER, PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCE OR HEALTH OF AN INDIVIDUAL.
UH, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, WE DON'T DEAL WITH THAT ONE.
UH, PENDING OR IMMINENT LITIGATION COMES UP OFTEN.
UH, PURCHASE EXCHANGE OR LEASE OF REAL PROPERTY.
WE'VE DEFINITELY DEALT WITH THAT ONE.
UM, SECURITY PERSONNEL OR INVESTIGATION INTO CRIMINAL CONDUCT, ANY OF THOSE WOULD BE A, A PROPER REASON FOR GOING INTO A CLOSED SESSION.
UM, CLOSED MEETING REQUIRES THAT EVERYTHING DISCUSSED DURING THE CLOSED SESSION, UH, BE, UH, FOCUSED ON THAT SUBJECT OR THAT JUSTIFICATION FOR GOING INTO A CLOSED SESSION.
CAN'T USE THAT TO GO IN AND THEN TALK ABOUT OTHER STUFF AFTERWARDS.
AND THEN, AS WE KNOW, YOU CAN'T TAKE ANY FORMAL ACTION IN A CLOSED SESSION LIKE ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE RESOLUTION OR A RULE, UH, IN A CLOSED MEETING THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN AN OPEN MEETING.
UM, WHEN YOU GO IN, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED, UH, IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING.
THE REASON FOR IT, UH, LOCATION, THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE, UH, FOR RECORDKEEPING PURPOSES IN CASE THE MEETING WAS EVER CHALLENGED.
UH, THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING CLOSED MEETINGS, RIGHT AND COMPLYING WITH OMA JUST IN GENERAL.
BUT SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH CLOSED MEETINGS, KNOWING VIOLATIONS OR INTENTIONALLY SUPPORTING SOMEBODY IN VIOLATING IT, IS IT CLASS B MISDEMEANOR? I'M NOT AWARE THAT THAT'S EVER BEEN CHARGED.
I'VE NEVER SEEN IT HAPPEN, BUT IT IS OUT THERE.
AND SO PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH CLOSED MEETINGS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING MINDFUL THE WAY THAT WE DO IT AND DO IT RIGHT.
UM, OTHERWISE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPLYING WITH OMA ONE BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UH, TWO, BECAUSE FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH OMA COULD LEAVE ACTIONS OPEN TO, UH, A SUIT TO AVOID THE ACTION THAT'S BEEN TAKEN.
UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT OMA AUTHORIZES PLAINTIFFS TO COME IN AND BRING IN ACTION TO COMPEL COMPLIANCE.
THERE IS AN ATTORNEY FEE PROVISION THAT'S, UH, APPLICABLE IN THERE.
SO IT CAN BE EXPENSIVE, UH, AND CAN REQUIRE US CHANGING THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING THINGS.
UM, AND AGAIN, MOSTLY BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UH, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, UH, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, THIS IS A NEW ER PROVISION THAT WAS, UM, READOPTED IN THE 2024 SESSION.
AND IT'S A PROHIBITION ON TAKING ACTIONS WITH THE INTENT TO CIRCUMVENT, UH, OPA IS THE WAY THAT I THINK OF IT.
UM, WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT IF THERE IS A QUORUM OF PEOPLE, THEY CAN'T INTENTIONALLY ACT TOGETHER OUTSIDE A MEETING IN A CONCERTED AND DELIBERATE WAY TO PREDETERMINE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE MEETING.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A REASON WHY IT'S A GOOD IDEA NOT TO HAVE COMMITTEES WITH FOUR PEOPLE ON THEM, UH, GOING FORWARD.
SO WE DON'T OPEN OURSELVES UP TO A CHALLENGE UNDER THIS.
UH, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A QUORUM THERE, WE SHOULD JUST DO IT AS A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE COUNCIL.
UH, OR IF THERE'S A MEETING OF SOME OTHER TYPE WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOUR OR MORE PEOPLE FROM THE COUNCIL THERE, THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE ACTION FROM THE COUNCIL.
BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO DO THAT IN AN OPEN MEETING.
SO THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED.
IT'S JUST AN INFORMATIONAL THING.
DOESN'T NEED TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING.
LIKE OUR TOWN HALL THE OTHER DAY.
UM, AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS RIGHT, OR IF THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE SOME ACTION COMING DOWN DECISIONS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPOT ON AND YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL NOT TO DISCUSS IT.
SO UNLESS WE'RE A POLITICAL CAUCUS SO THE PARTIES DON'T APPLY, RIGHT.
POLITICAL CAUCUS, WHATEVER THE HELL THAT MEANS.
WELL, I WOULD PRESUME POLITICAL CAUCUS IS POLITICAL PARTY.
THE CITY DOESN'T, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, THE TOWN HALL POLITICAL, WE'RE OKAY TO MEET, BUT IF WE START GOING OFF ONTO A DECISION TYPE SUBJECT, WE HAVE TO STOP.
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THAT WOULD BE MY ADVICE IS TO NOT PREDETERMINE THE ACTION THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN LATER.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DID I KEEP IT UNDER 15? YOU DID.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT SOMETHING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
UM, AGAIN, RECOGNIZING THAT SOMETIMES PROVISIONS COULD BE READ DIFFERENTLY, BUT WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING IT RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT.
I WILL DECLARE COMMITTEE HALL FOR TODAY ADJOURNED.
AND WE WILL RECONVENE IN 30 MINUTES AT CITY COUNCIL AT 7:00 PM.