ARE YOU GOING TO ORDER? KELVIN, I'M CALLING TO ORDER THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN COMMITTEE OF
THE WHOLE FOR FEBRUARY 25TH, 
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2025. DO YOU HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER, BLUM, COUNCIL MEMBER,
MURDER COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          WHITELOCK AND COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN AND COUNCIL AND CHAIR LAMB. 
          PRESENT. WE ARE CURRENTLY MISSING COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB AND COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON,
WHO SHOULD BE HERE SHORTLY. 
          ALL RIGHT. WE WILL START OUR TOPICS TODAY WITH OUR DISCUSSION REGARDING THE RENTAL AND USE
RATES FOR THE NEW WEST JORDAN COMMUNITY AND ARTS CENTER, 
          [a.
 Discussion regarding Rental and Use Rates for the new West Jordan Community and Arts Center.]
THE OFFICIAL NAME OF IT. WASN'T IT COMMUNITY ART CENTER AND ARTS AND ARTS AND ARTS? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AND THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON NAMING,
I GUESS, WHAT WE WANTED. 
          WE WERE WAITING FOR CORBIN. WE HAVE CHAD LAND MEMORIAL CHURCH HOUSE. 
          NOT WITH MEMORIAL WAIT FOR BIG MONEY. BIG MONEY,
AND THEY WRITE THEIR NAME ON IT. 
          WELL, WE HAVE ASHLEY AND CORBIN LEE PRESENTING,
AND WE WELCOME YOU TO THE FRONT OF THE TABLE. 
          CORBIN HERE. I THINK THEY'RE GRABBING THEM TO GO GET SOMETHING. 
          WELL, IF YOU WANT TO START ON YOUR OWN, WE'RE WE'RE GOOD TO GO. PERFECT. YEAH. LET'S DO
IT. YES, WE'RE GOING OVER. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ALL RECEIVED THE POLICIES AND RENTAL RATES DOCUMENT
OR NOT. 
          SO THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, KIND OF JUST FROM THE GET GO ON THAT PIECE. 
          ANY JUST SIGN YOUR PROPOSED WAIT GRAPHIC. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? QUESTIONS ON THE THERE'S. YEAH, THE RATES THAT ARE UP ABOVE THAT IS THE POLICIES AND ALL
OF THAT STUFF TO THOSE KIND OF MIRROR MOST OF IT. 
          PIONEER HALL KIND OF THE SAME RESERVATION PROCESS. 
          WE'LL BE USING THE SAME RENTAL WEBSITE THAT WE USE FOR ALL OF OURS. 
          WE HAVE THE MORNING, EVENING AND THEN FULL DAY BLOCKS,
KIND OF THE STANDARD COST WITH THE SAME TIMING. 
          AS FAR AS DAYS OUT AND ALL OF THAT FOR PAUL OR FOR SECURITY DEPOSITS. 
          AS FAR AS STAFFING GOES, WE WILL HAVE AN EVENT STAFF MEMBER ON SITE FOR ALL CERTAINLY FOR
ALL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, TICKETED EVENTS. THERE WILL BE AN EVENT STAFF PERSON THERE. 
          FOR THE FIRST YEAR, WE'LL PROBABLY ALSO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER JUST FOR EVERYTHING. 
          AND THEN AS WE GO ON AND SEE KIND OF HOW THE BUILDING FLOWS,
WE'LL HAVE MORE TOWARDS PROBABLY PIONEER HALL, WHERE WE HAVE AN ON CALL NUMBER FOR LIKE A SMALLER FAMILY DINNER TYPE THING. 
          THERE IS ACCESS CARD ENTRY SYSTEM AND ALL THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO KIND OF RESTRICT ACCESS ENTRY TO CERTAIN AREAS OF IT. 
          JANITORIAL WILL ALSO MIRROR THE SAME AS PIONEER HALL. 
          WE HAVE A MEMBER OF OUR FACILITIES TEAM THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY HAVING THE EVENT STAFF ON SITE WILL BE WORKING THROUGHOUT THE EVENT,
YOU KNOW, UPDATING TOILET PAPERS AS IT NEEDS. ANY OTHER PAPER PRODUCTS,
CLEANING UP SPILLS, ALL OF THAT. 
          YOU GUYS ARE MOVING YOUR OFFICES OVER THERE,
RIGHT? THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, AN OFFICE SPACE FOR TWO PEOPLE THERE. SO WE'LL HAVE PROBABLY SOMEONE THERE JUST THROUGHOUT TO BE ABLE TO DO,
LIKE TOURS AND PEOPLE SHOW UP AND KIND OF WALK PEOPLE THROUGH, GUIDES THROUGH. I KNOW WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE A VIDEO TOUR OPTION AS WELL ON THE
WEBSITE, KIND OF LIKE WE DID WITH PIONEER HALL, SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT REMOTELY OR THEY CAN POP IN
AND HAVE OPEN HOURS. 
          THAT ONE, WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT BECAUSE OUR SCHEDULES ARE SOMETIMES ALL OVER THE PLACE,
DEPENDING ON EVENTS. IF WE'RE WORKING NIGHT, WE TRY TO SHIFT OFF SO WE DON'T WORK OVERTIME HOURS. BUT WE'LL HAVE CERTAINLY SOMEONE THERE IF SOMEONE REQUESTS A TOUR. 
          AND THEN KIND OF DAILY HOURS THERE AS WE'RE ABLE TO. 
          SO. SO EVENT STAFF WILL BE DOING CUSTODIAL JUST DURING THE EVENT. 
          YEAH. DURING THE EVENT WILL BE HELPING AS WELL. 
          IF THERE'S HUGE ISSUES OBVIOUSLY WE WON'T HAVE CUSTODIAL THERE. 
          WE'LL HAVE EVENTS THERE. WE'LL HAVE AN EVENT STAFF. 
          YEAH I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ON YOUR AND YOUR GRAPHIC OF PROPOSED RENTAL FEES. 
          AND I DON'T SEE IN MY PACKET I DIDN'T SEE POLICIES I JUST I THERE'S ONLY ONE ATTACHMENT. 
          OKAY. MY DISPUTE. YEAH. YEAH. WE DIDN'T I DIDN'T SEND OVER THE POLICY,
THE FULL POLICY LIST. 
          I WANTED TO SEE WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T. SHE JUST REFERENCED THAT. 
          OH, SORRY. YEAH, THAT'S. I JUST INCLUDED THE RATE. 
          YEAH. RENTAL RATE SHEETS. SO. AND THIS ONE I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO CORBIN ABOUT. 
          BUT FOR A WEST JORDAN CONTRACT ENTITY, I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE
SOMETHING THERE THAT TELLS THEM THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGES. LIKE, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE REFUNDABLE SECURITY DEPOSIT FROM OTHER ENTITIES. 
          AND THE WHOLE REASON WE DO THAT IS IF THEY DAMAGE THE BUILDING. 
          YEAH, THAT'S MY QUESTION. I WAS LIKE, ARE THEY SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE OPERATIONAL COSTS
OF POTENTIAL DAMAGES, SECURITY DEPOSIT? THAT WAS ALONG THE SAME LINES THINKING. SO WE I WANT SOMETHING THERE BEFORE I SAY YES TO THIS. 
          I WOULD ASSUME MOST OF THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR POLICIES,
CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          AND IN THE END, WITH THIS, I PROBABLY WANT TO UPDATE THE GRANT CONTRACT BY WHICH WE GIVE
THE CULTURAL ARTS SOCIETY A GRANT AS WELL. 
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SO. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. 
          THIS I'M GOING TO SAY IT, IT SEEMS STUPID THAT WE GIVE THEM MONEY SO THEY CAN GIVE US
MONEY BACK. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, DO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO HAVE THE WEST JORDAN CONTRACT ENTITY IN THERE? OR SHOULD WE NEGOTIATE THE RATES OR NEGOTIATE HOW MUCH IN LIEU OF GIVING? SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE GIVE THEM WHAT 65 K JUST WENT UP TO 7075. 
          OKAY. INSTEAD OF GIVING HIM 75 K, WE GIVE HIM 65 K AND $10,000 WORTH OF BUILDING SO THAT
WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM MONEY, THAT THEY GIVE US BACK, AND WE PLAY THAT. WE'RE PLAYING THE SMOKE AND MIRRORS ACCOUNT. 
          THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE POLICY DISCUSSION I WANTED TO HAVE. 
          WE WANTED TO HAVE WITH YOU IS SHOULD WE BLOW,
YOU KNOW, KEEP THE GROUND FLAT OR LOWER THE GROUND AND GIVE THE BUILDING AWAY AT NO COST. SO IT'S A SERVICE IN LIEU OF SHOULD WE CHARGE THEM MORE FOR THE BUILDING AND RAISE
THE GRANT, KNOWING THEY NEED MORE GRANT MONEY TO PAY FOR THE HIGHER BUILDING RATES? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW
THEY'RE PAYING ONLY $75 A DAY IN THE MAIL? OR SHOULD WE DO SOMETHING IN BETWEEN? SO 406 COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON JOINED US. 
          THANK YOU. OH. THANK YOU. SO PROS AND CONS OF SOME OF THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES. 
          IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A ROUND ROBIN, SO THE ARGUMENT FOR LOWER THE GRANT OR KEEP THE GRANT
FLAT, LOWER THE GRANT AND JUST HAVE THE BUILDING BE IN LIEU OF A SERVICE IN LIEU. 
          WITH THAT APPROACH, WE'RE NOT DOING THE ACCOUNTING. 
          MERRY GO ROUND. AND YOU CAN SAY YOU GET THIS MANY NUMBER OF DAYS,
YOU FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WANT TO USE IT. 
          BUT YOU ONLY GET IT, YOU KNOW, A SET NUMBER OF DAYS,
AND THAT'S YOUR ALLOTMENT. 
          AND THEN IF THEY USE THAT BEYOND THAT ALLOTMENT,
THEY JUST PAY THE RATE. 
          OKAY. YEAH. HOWEVER AN ARGUMENT AGAINST THAT APPROACH IS IF THEY ARE GETTING THE BUILDING FOR FREE, EVEN IF IT IS A SET LOT NUMBER OF DAYS. 
          THEY'RE NOT MANAGING. THEY'RE. THEY MAY NOT MANAGE THEIR USE OF THAT BUILDING AS WELL AS
THEY OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY FORKING OUT MONEY FOR EVERY DAY THEY'RE IN THAT BUILDING. 
          WE WANT THEM IN THAT BUILDING. WE WANT THEM IN THAT BUILDING OFTEN,
BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM IN THAT. 
          WE DON'T WANT THEM CAMPING OUT IN THAT BUILDING. WHEN THEY PUT ON A SHOW,
WE WANT THEM SITTING IN THERE JUST IN TIME TO DO THEIR DRESS REHEARSALS, TECH LOAD INS, JUST WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO RUN A SHOW. 
          BUT IF THEY ARE USING THAT BUILDING FOR FOUR OR 5 OR 6 WEEKS PRIOR TO A SHOW'S
PERFORMANCE, THAT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF THE PERFORMANCE SPACE. 
          IT'S TURNING THE BUILDING INTO REHEARSAL SPACE. LIKEWISE,
IF IF WE RAISE THE RATES, THE RENTAL RATES RAISE THE GRANT, AND IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT CIRCULAR. 
          A THEY'RE FORKING OUT MONEY TO THE CITY FOR EVERY DAY THEY'RE USING IT. 
          NOW. IT'S OUR MONEY JUST COMING BACK TO US. BUT THERE'S THE CONCEPT OF AS AN ORGANIZATION, THEY'RE PAYING FOR USE OF THAT BUILDING. AND YOU CAN ARGUE,
YOU KNOW, TO THE PUBLIC, WE DON'T GIVE THE BUILDING AWAY FOR FREE. 
          WE GIVE THEM A GRANT FOR WHAT THEY DO FOR THE COMMUNITY,
BUT WE DON'T DO LIKEWISE. 
          I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD HONOR, RESPECT, TREAT THE BUILDING WELL,
REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY USE IT. 
          BUT IF THEY'RE PAYING FOR EVERY DAY THEY'RE IN THERE,
THEY'RE REALLY THEY'RE REALLY DOING THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          AND THEY GET OTHER MATCHING GRANTS. THEY GET TO APPLY,
PARTICULARLY FOR THAT TIER ONE, TIER TWO, TIER THREE GRANTS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THEIR BUDGET. 
          IF PART OF THEIR BUDGET INCLUDES SERVICE IN LIEU OF FEES LIKE FREE BUILDING USE,
THAT'S HARDER FOR THEM TO MONETIZE WITH MATCHING GRANTS FROM SAP AND OTHER THINGS. IF YOU GIVE THEM A GRANT AND THEN YOU'RE CHARGING THEM FULL
RATE FOR USE. 
          THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MATCHING COMPONENT THAT MAY HELP THEM. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT IT MAY HELP THEM,
YOU KNOW, MAKE OTHER GRANT APPLICATIONS, PARTICULARLY MRS APP, AS THEIR BUDGET. IT'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER. 
          I DON'T REALLY IT'S TO THE CITY. BUDGETARILY. 
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IT'S KIND OF SIXES. THIS THIS PROPOSAL IS TRYING TO STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN MAKING THE FEES, INCLUDING THE FEES TO CULTURAL ARTS SOCIETY HIGH ENOUGH THAT THEY
HAVE TO USE THE BUILDING CAUTIOUSLY AND CAREFULLY BECAUSE THEY'RE CHARGED FOR EVERY DAY THEY'RE IN IT,
YET HAVE THOSE FEES LOW ENOUGH THAT WE'RE NOT DRIVING PEOPLE TO THE MID VALLEY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER BECAUSE WE'RE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN MID VALLEY. 
          THAT WAS A TRICKY ONE. MID VALLEY IS NOT VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          MID VALLEY'S BLACK BOX THEATER PROBABLY. DIFFERENT MODELS LIKE VARIABLE RATES BASED ON
DEMAND, WEEKDAY VERSUS WEEKEND, OR SOMETHING LIKE PRICING INCENTIVES SUCH LIKE INTRODUCTORY
DISCOUNTS OR MEMBERSHIP PROGRAMS AND, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT TO TO KIND OF KEEP THAT BALANCE. 
          CAN YOU TALK? WHAT BALANCE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I MEAN,
I'M ASSUMING THE BALANCE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO THE GOAL IS TO MAXIMIZE REVENUE, BUT ALSO INCREASE COMMUNITY USE AND FIND THAT BALANCE,
RIGHT? YES, YES. THE GOAL IS TO GET AS MUCH USE OUT OF THAT BUILDING AS POSSIBLE. 
          FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. YEAH, YEAH. SO WE'RE NOT MAXIMIZING REVENUE. 
          PERHAPS AS MUCH AS WE COULD, FOR FEAR OF THAN THE BUILDING WOULD BE DARK,
AND WE WANT TO GET AS MUCH USE OUT OF IT. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BALANCES WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE. 
          BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO. WHAT IF WE DO? WHAT IF WE SET IT UP? SO LIKE WE HAVE THE INITIAL TRIAL PERIOD. AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND REVIEW AND ADJUST AS
NEEDED. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVE A STRUCTURED ANNUAL REVIEW OF IT. 
          SO THAT WAY WE'RE ALWAYS KIND OF KEEPING ON TOP OF THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE BUDGET. YES. YEAH. BUT WE ARE THIS IS INTENDED TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A. 
          SHOOT AT THE TARGET WHERE WE THINK IT'S GOING TO LAND. 
          WE DID SOME JEREMY JEREMY WORKED UP SOME PROFORMAS BASED ON THIS RENTAL RATE TO ASSUME. 
          WHAT WILL OUR TOTAL REVENUE BE? WHAT WILL OUR EXPENSES BE? WHAT WILL OUR VARIABLE EXPENSES BE? WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VARIABLE REVENUES
MATCH OR EXCEED THE VARIABLE COSTS ON THIS BUILDING. BUT THERE'S 100 ASSUMPTIONS THAT GO INTO THAT. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY OPEN UP THE BUILDING AND SEE HERE'S AN ASSUMPTION YOU MAKE IF YOU'RE SAYING
BETTER TO GIVE THEM THE MONEY AND HAVE THEM PAY US BACK THE MONEY FOR THE BUILDING. 
          OR ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL BE, I AM ASSUMING THAT I'M ASSUMING IN THE UPDATED GRANT
CONTRACT WE WILL SPECIFY OKAY THEN THAT OKAY, IF IT'S THERE, THEN THAT WORKS. BUT IF IT'S NOT THERE,
IT'S NOT. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO UP THEIR GRANT AND HAVE THEM GO TO MIDVALE OR MID-VALLEY. 
          YEAH THAT'S CORRECT. BECAUSE THEY CURRENTLY THEY COULD SEE THE I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND
I'VE LOOKED AT THE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO EITHER. THEY'RE ANXIOUS TO. YEAH THEY WANT I'VE LOOKED AT THE RATES
AT MID VALLEY. 
          MID VALLEY. WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE SURFACE THE RATE IS CHEAP BUT THEY INCLUDE SECURITY AND
CLEANING. 
          AND THEY GOT ABOUT 16,000 OTHER FEES RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE. 
          AND SO I'M CONCERNED I'M CONCERNED THAT IS 150. 
          SO LET'S SAY FOR A FOR A DAY OF REHEARSAL OR A NIGHT OF REHEARSAL IS 150 BUCKS REALLY
GOING TO COVER OUR COSTS IN THAT BUILDING WITH CUSTODIAL STAFF AND UTILITIES? THE YOU KNOW, THE. THE THE FULL VENUE PERFORMANCE STAY $200 THAT THAT JUST SEEMS. I THINK YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS. 
          THIS ISN'T A MONEY MAKER, RIGHT. WELL, I KNOW,
BUT WHAT WE NEED TO COVER, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO COVER TO COVER COSTS FOR PARTS. 
          YES, THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. YEAH. SO THEN WE COVER COSTS. 
          SO YOU GOT TO THINK OF IT LIKE A PARK. IT'S DIFFERENT,
IN PART BECAUSE IT USES ELECTRICITY. 
          IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S LIT UP. YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT TO REPLACE. 
          YOU'VE GOT REPLACEMENT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE, WELL, LIKE A LIKE A PAVILION. 
          YEAH. WE CHARGE FOR A PAVILION TO RECOVER COSTS. 
          NOT ENOUGH TO RECOVER WELL, BUT IT RECOVERS. I THINK THAT WHEN THIS WAS VOTED FOR,
IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT 
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EVERYONE WAS GOING TO BE SUBSIDIZING, JUST LIKE ART. 
          THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION AND PEOPLE VOTED FOR IT. 
          SO WHAT THE THE COST RECOVERY WE'RE AIMING FOR WITH THIS,
AND IT WILL HAVE TO BE UPDATED AND REVIEWED. 
          IT IS TO RECOVER. WE DON'T DO THEIR CONTRACT ANNUALLY. 
          NO WE DON'T. SO ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE THAT? WELL,
YOU CAN CHANGE THE GRANT AMOUNT ANNUALLY WITHOUT CHANGING THE CONTRACT. 
          THE CONTRACT SAYS WE GIVE THEM WHATEVER IS WE BUDGET TO GIVE THEM THE GRANT. 
          BUT HERE'S WHAT HERE'S WHAT WE'RE STRIVING. HERE'S THE NEEDLE WE'RE TRYING TO THREAD. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO BE EXPENSIVE ENOUGH THAT ANYONE WHO USES THIS BUILDING TAKES IT SERIOUSLY, KNOWS THEY HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME AND RESPECTS THE BUILDING AND TAKES CARE OF IT. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO BE INEXPENSIVE ENOUGH THAT WEST JORDAN RESIDENTS AND THE CULTURAL ARTS
SOCIETY USE THIS BUILDING INSTEAD OF GOING TO MID-VALLEY OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          BUT THE WEST JORDAN COMMUNITY USES THE WEST JORDAN FACILITY AND GET ENOUGH REVENUE THAT
ARE MARGINAL EARNED RENTAL RENTAL REVENUE MATCHES OR EXCEEDS THE ADDITIONAL ADDED COSTS FROM THE BUILDING BEING USED
FOR THOSE DAYS AND TIMES. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S A PORTION OF THIS BUILDING. 
          IT'S JUST GOING TO COST THE CITY BECAUSE WE HAVE A BUILDING,
INSURANCE GROUNDS, BASIC UTILITIES, THAT STUFF WE JUST HAVE, AND THAT'S A SUNK COST AND THAT'S THE SUBSIDY FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT WHEN IT COSTS US A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WE FIRE UP THE WHOLE BUILDING FOR A
PERFORMANCE, THE RENTAL OUGHT TO COVER THAT FOR THAT ADDED COST. 
          THAT'S THE NEEDLE WE'RE TRYING TO THREAD BETWEEN ALL THREE,
BALANCING ALL THREE OF THOSE ISSUES. 
          ARE WE ONLY ALLOWING THE WEST JORDAN CULTURAL ARTS TO DO THEATRICAL PERFORMANCES THERE? NO, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW OTHERS THEN UNDER THE THEATER PERFORMANCE DAYS. 
          WE REALLY WANT IT AS EXCLUSIVE TO THE CULTURAL ARTS SOCIETY OF WEST WESTWARD. 
          WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TAKE WE COULD OFFER TO ANYBODY,
YOU KNOW, A GRADUATED RATE FOR A BLOCK OF DAYS FOR A THEATER PERFORMANCE, THE WAY WE DO FOR CULTURAL ARTS. I DON'T KNOW THAT OTHER GROUPS WILL WANT TO BLOCK IT OUT
FOR A 24 DAY PERIOD THE WAY CULTURAL ARTS DOES, WHICH IS WHY WE ONLY PUT IT THERE AND PROBABLY NOT. 
          BUT THERE IS ANOTHER THEATER GROUP IN OUR CITY THAT I THINK THEY PRIMARILY WORK OUT OF
THEIR HOME. 
          OKAY, AND WHAT IF THEY WANT THESE OTHER PERFORMANCES? YOU GOT YOUR OPERAS HERE. WE'VE GOT A LOCAL ORCHESTRA,
WE'VE GOT SEVERAL GROUPS HERE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE EXCLUSIVE TO ONE. 
          WE WANT TO INCLUDE THEM ALL. WELL, THE ORCHESTRA IS A PART OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. 
          THEY'RE ALL PART OF. IT'S A PART OF THAT. THEY'RE ALL SO THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE WAY WE USE
ONE THAT WE USE MIDVALE. 
          MIDVALE HAS BEEN OPEN TO. YEAH, YEAH I MEAN THAT'S A PERFORMANCE VENUES HAVE LIKE THE THE
RESIDENT, THE RESIDENT GROUP. RIGHT. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS WAS ASSUMING. 
          THIS IS THE RESONANT GROUP. BUT. BUT WE COULD BUILD IN. 
          I MEAN, WE COULD TAKE THAT. THEATER PERFORMANCE BLOCK OF DAYS AND ASSUME IF SOMEONE ELSE. 
          WANTED TO GET IT FOR A 24 DAY PERIOD, OR TO BE ABLE TO PUT ON A PLAY. 
          HERE'S THE THEATER BLOCK. YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T FEEL IT NEEDED TO BE SPECIFIC TO THEM. 
          BUT IF WE GO WITH THE MODEL THAT YOU TALK ABOUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE GRANT. 
          WE DON'T NEED. WE DON'T NEED TO WE DON'T NEED FIRST COLUMN OF THE IF,
IF, IF WE'RE IF WE RAISE THE GRANT AND WE CHARGE THEM MARKET RATE, WE DON'T NEED THE FIRST COLUMN. WE COULD GO THAT FAR. 
          WE THIS DIDN'T ASSUME TO GO QUITE THAT FAR, BUT WE COULD. 
          ONE THING WE DO, LIKE I POINTED OUT MANY TIMES,
I HELPED RUN THE MIDVALE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. 
          MIDVALE HAS ITS MIDVALE ARTS COUNCIL. IT BASICALLY IS IN CHARGE OF RUNNING THE WHOLE
THEATER. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT IN CHARGE OF ANYTHING,
BUT SOMETHING WE COULD DO TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF OUR THINGS. 
          IS SET UP A PARTNER LEVEL ENTITY. THAT WAY, IF WE HAVE OTHER GROUPS OTHER SMALL THEATER
COMPANIES THAT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS, THEN THEY BECOME A PARTNER. AND THEN WE HAVE. 
          SO WITH THE MIDVALE, WE HAVE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS,
CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO AS PARTNERS. 
          THEY HAVE TO PUT IN SO MUCH VOLUNTEER TIME IN THE BUILDING. 
          THEY HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. THERE ARE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THAT EARNS THEM THE
RIGHT TO BE A PARTNER AND GET A BREAK OF THE RATE THAT ENCOURAGES 
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US TO HAVE THINGS IN THAT, BUILDING ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT ARE NOT. 
          MIDVALE, FOR INSTANCE, WEST JORDAN OBVIOUSLY IS A PARTNER AND THEN OTHER THEATER GROUPS. 
          TITUS PRODUCTIONS IS A PARTNER OF THAT. AND AND WE'VE HAD OTHERS. 
          LYRICAL OPERA COMPANY WAS A PARTNER AT ONE POINT. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE THAT I,
I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT WE DO HAVE THE MONEY ELEMENT LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, THOUGH, BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT THESE,
THEY'RE FREE TO YOU AND YOU START TO TAKE ON THE THING THAT I OWN, THIS BUILDING, THIS IS OUR BUILDING, AND IT'S NO LONGER. 
          AND YOU TREAT IT DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE PAYING INTO IT. 
          SO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IN THAT POINT IS 100% CORRECT. 
          I WAS A PART OF THE WEST JORDAN SUGAR FACTORY PLAYHOUSE WHEN WE SORT OF OWNED THE SUGAR
FACTORY, AND NO ONE CARED ANYTHING WE DID IN THERE, AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY YOU WANT A BUILDING LIKE
THIS RUN. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WOULD COME UP WITH A GROUP,
BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ADD AN ELEMENT IN THERE FOR PARTNERS AND MAKE THAT MAKE THAT A RATE. 
          AND WE COME UP WITH THE STIPULATIONS OF WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO BE A PARTNER WITHIN THAT. 
          AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE WEST JORDAN CULTURAL ARTS SOCIETY ALSO HAS TO BUILD IN THOSE
SAME THINGS, AND I'M SURE THEY WILL. YOU KNOW, SO MANY VOLUNTEER HOURS,
SO MANY THIS KIND OF STUFF, BECAUSE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE PRIDE IN THE BUILDING AND MAKE IT A COMMUNITY. BUT SINCE THE MONEY'S COMING BACK AND CIRCULAR IT'S NOT GOING TO MATTER TO
THEM WHAT THE MONEY IS. 
          BUT YOU ARE 100% RIGHT THAT IF THEY ARE PAYING MONEY,
THERE MIGHT BE A THING THAT WE REALLY DON'T NEED THIS OTHER DAY. THAT EXTRA MONEY MIGHT GO TO HELP US PUT ON A BETTER SHOW,
AND THEN WE CAN BUILD BETTER PROPS AND WE CAN RELEASE THAT DAY. 
          AND THAT DATE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN THEN RENT TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO HAVE
AN EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF THE THE MONEY SIDE OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING PUT
INTO THAT. 
          IT'S ALL GOING TO BE A WASH FOR US ANYWAY. BUT I THINK,
LIKE I SAID, AS WE ADD, WE FIGURE OUT A PARTNER IN THIS THAT'S NOT A WEST JORDAN CONTENT CONTRACT ENTITY. IT'S A DIFFERENT SORT OF PEOPLE. 
          BASICALLY. YEAH. I MEAN, WE CAN WE CAN HAVE PRICES FAIRLY CLOSE TO THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE OR THEY MIGHT BE THE SAME,
BUT THEY'RE UNDER A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CONSTRAINT. 
          A LOT OF THESE GROUPS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WON'T WANT 24 DAYS. 
          THEY MIGHT WANT TWO WEEKS. SO THAT'S WHEN YOU START FIGURING OUT WHAT YOU KNOW. 
          HOW DO WE BREAK DOWN THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE MAYBE IT'S A WEEK BY
WEEK KIND OF BASIS. 
          SO THE OTHER THING YOU'LL START NOTICING IS ONCE YOU START OPENING THIS UP,
WHAT YOU WILL GET IS A LOT OF THEY WENT AWAY FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY'RE STARTING TO COME BACK NOW. A LOT OF THE,
THE LITTLE DANCE GROUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY'RE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO WANT TO COME IN AND TAKE OVER YOUR EVENT FOR A
SATURDAY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          OR FOR THE DANCE GROUPS UNDER EVENT INSURANCE. 
          SO MOM HAS HER DANCE STUDIO IN THE BASEMENT AND THEY WANT TO RENT THIS. 
          THEY NEED TO GO OUT AND GET $1 MILLION INSURANCE POLICY. 
          VERY CHEAP. SO WE HAVE. BUT WILL WE HAVE WE HAVE ACTUALLY THAT PART OF IT. 
          WE HAVE YOUR STAFF HAVE LIKE HERE'S A FEW PLACES YOU CAN CALL BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NEW AT
THIS, BOB'S RIGHT. YOU CAN GET THEM FAIRLY INEXPENSIVELY. 
          BUT IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEN YOU MIGHT NOT GET IT INEXPENSIVELY. 
          AND THAT'S IF WE DO THE SAME THING AT MIDVALE. 
          WE GO, YOU NEED THAT. YOU REPLACE IT. YEAH. WE USE GATHER GUARDS. 
          WE DO THAT FREQUENTLY. WHEN WE USED TO DO AT PIONEER HALL,
WE'RE LIKE, HERE'S A WEBSITE, GO. IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE PROCESS. SO IT'S A KIND OF DIRECT THEM RIGHT TO IT. SO I'M INTERESTED IN THE THE ALCOHOL. 
          ARE WE. BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE STAYED AWAY FROM COMPLETELY. 
          THEY'LL BE LOOKING TO HAVE A LICENSE FOR THAT BUILDING. 
          AND THEN IT'S YOUR USE OF THE LICENSE BECAUSE THAT'S AN INTERESTING ADDITION. 
          YEAH. WE HAVE A CONTRACTED SERVICE OR PARKING SERVICE BASICALLY. 
          SO THEY'RE THE SAME ONES THAT ARE ANY SPECIAL EVENT AT THE RODEO GROUNDS. IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SERVE ALCOHOL AT THIS FACILITY, YOU HAVE TO USE OUR BARTENDING SERVICE REGARDLESS OF EVENT SIZE. IT COULD BE A FAMILY GET TOGETHER OF TEN PEOPLE AND YOU WANT TO HAVE
ALCOHOL. 
          YOU HAVE TO CONTRACT WITH OUR BARTENDERS JUST THEN. THEY'RE LICENSED,
INSURED, OBVIOUSLY FOLLOW ALL THE PROTOCOLS, PERMITS, ALL OF THAT, AND THAT'S THEIR FEE. AND THEN WE GET $100 JUST BECAUSE,
YEAH, THEY PAY US THE BOOKING FEE. 
          AND THEN THEY WOULD WORK WITH THIS CONTRACTOR. 
          AND THEY PAY THE CONTRACTOR THEIR FEES. SO WE KIND OF STAY OUT OF THAT BUT JUST KNOW
WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AND THEN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE EXTRA SECURITY DEPOSIT AND THEN REQUIRED TO HAVE
THAT INSURANCE ON TOP OF OTHER INSURANCE AS WELL. 
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SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF BARRIERS THERE. THE OTHER THING A LITTLE BIT IN IN KIND OF A
MONEY THING, I WOULD PROBABLY NOT GIVE AWAY THE PROJECTOR AND SCREEN. 
          JUST I DON'T KNOW IF MANY PEOPLE MAKE THAT A PART OF JUST THE NORMAL PACKAGE. 
          THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SORRY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CLEAR. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS. THE CITY IS ONLY PROVIDING AND OWNING A VERY BASIC
LEVEL OF AV SERVICE. 
          PROJECTOR SCREEN, SIMPLE MICROPHONE. VERY SIMPLE MIXING. 
          SO, YEAH, MAYBE NOT EVEN GIVE THAT MUCH AWAY,
RIGHT? MAYBE HAVE A FEE FOR THAT. BUT IF YOU WANT THEATRICAL LIGHTING,
IF YOU WANT A FULL SOUND MIXING, YOU ARE THAT LIGHT. THEATRICAL LIGHTING. THE THE AUDIO EQUIPMENT,
THE WIRELESS MICROPHONES, THE RECEIVERS, EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH THAT IS THE CULTURAL ARTS SOCIETY. 
          THEY'RE PUTTING THAT STUFF INTO THE BUILDING. AND WE ARE PLANNING AND ASSUMING WITH THEM
THAT YOU HAVE TO CONTRACT THE AV AB TECH THROUGH THE CULTURAL ARTS SOCIETY AND AB TECH CULTURAL ARTS WILL OPERATE THE AB. 
          FINALLY, MY LAST PIECE IS ON THAT LINE. I THINK THE VERBIAGE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE
IT SAYS PRICING VIA THE CULTURAL ARTS. 
          THAT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THEY'RE JUST DICTATING THE PRICES. 
          I THINK IT NEEDS TO SAY SOMETHING CONTRACTED. 
          YEAH. OH, YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY, GOOD. YEAH. 
          JUST LIKE THE THE ALCOHOL. AND MY REASON ON THE PROJECTOR IS THAT IF YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT A
FREE PROJECTOR, WHY NOT USE IT? AND YOU MAY NOT NEED IT, BUT THOSE LITTLE DANCE GROUPS WILL PROJECT STUFF
UP ON THERE. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T NEED IT, THEY WON'T USE IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED IT. 
          AND THOSE ALL BECOME PRETTY EXPENSIVE. SO THE LESS YOU HAVE TO LIGHT THAT PROJECTOR,
A LITTLE BIT OF AB TECH WORK. 
          SO IT'S JUST IT'S JUST THE PROJECTOR. I MEAN,
YOU CAN SAY ON OUR EVENT STAFF, YOU CAN EVEN SAY 25 BUCKS AND YOU GET THAT AND YOU'RE NOT MAKING A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT WILL STOP PEOPLE FROM USING IT IF THEY DON'T,
I WOULD. I WOULD EXCLUDE THE BASIC AUDIO. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE THE BASIC AUDIO IS THE MICROPHONE,
MICROPHONE AND OVERHEAD SPEAKERS, BUT ANYTHING ELSE THAN THAT. 
          I THINK YOU SHOULD LIKE THAT MOST OF THE THEATER GROUPS THAT RENT KIND OF GET THAT
FEELING. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL EVEN KNOW THAT, LIKE MAYBE IT'S 25 BUCKS IF YOU WANT A SPOTLIGHT
AND A SPOTLIGHT. 
          ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST THERE BECAUSE ALL THOSE THINGS WILL TO WHAT KELVIN WAS SAYING,
BULBS NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          AND AT LEAST YOU CAN GIVE THAT REPLACEMENT BOLT FOR FREE. 
          THE MORE, THE MORE THAT THE THINGS ARE DISPOSABLE,
THE MORE WE NEED TO CHARGE. 
          RIGHT. BECAUSE THOSE THOSE ARE THE VARIABLE COSTS. 
          YEAH. THE BULBS SCREENS GO UP AND DOWN. THEY'RE TERRIBLE TO BREAK. 
          ANYTHING THAT ANYTHING THAT'S MORE LIKELY TO BE DISPOSABLE. 
          WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT COST RECOVERY IS WE DON'T WANT TO BE
REPLACING A MICROPHONE EVERY OTHER WEEK, RIGHT, BECAUSE SOMEBODY BEAT IT UP OR WHATEVER. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO YEAH, GET RID OF VISUAL AND JUST HAVE BASIC AUDIO INCLUDED OR,
OR EVEN EVEN THAT. 
          RIGHT. THESE ARE JUST THE FEES FOR THE BUILDING. 
          AS SOON AS YOU WANT A MICROPHONE AND A PROJECTOR,
YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE MICROPHONE, THE PROJECTOR, THE SCREEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I WOULD, I THINK,
BE KIND OF LIKE PEOPLE MIGHT BRING IN THEIR OWN MIC AND THEIR OWN, BUT YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MANY PEOPLE BRING THEIR OWN MICS AND IF THEY WERE GOING TO DO A
WEDDING, THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR OWN DJ IN AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          SO PEOPLE HAVE THEIR, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY KIDS HAVE SYSTEMS IN THEIR,
YOU KNOW, HAVING HAVING IT THERE THOUGH, THROUGH THE SPEAKERS. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE YOU WANT
THE BUILDING TO LOOK ITS BEST. SO YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE BRINGING A ONE BOOMBOX AND A MICROPHONE, PEOPLE THINKING THIS IS A PRETTY BASIC THING,
BUT LIKE I SAID, JUST THAT. 
          I KNOW THE PROJECTOR BECAUSE I'VE HAD TO REPLACE A BULB IN MY PROJECTOR A FEW TIMES OVER
THE THREE, FIVE YEARS, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE AT MIDVALE IT'S ACTUALLY MY PROJECTOR THEY USE,
AND I REPLACE THAT ONE A COUPLE TIMES JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO USE IT. 
          THIS. SO CAN I ASK FOR A STRAW POLL VOTE OR SO THIS RATE SHEET,
MORE OR LESS AS IT IS, IS KIND OF IN BETWEEN THE TWO ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. 
          ON THE POLICY PHILOSOPHY. IT CHARGES THE CULTURAL ARTS SOCIETY MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE
PAYING RIGHT NOW AT 
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MIDVALE. IT DOESN'T CHARGE THEM. YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS,
LIKE, THE WEST JORDAN RATE OR SO ON. 
          SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS RATE SHEET WOULD NECESSITATE ABOUT A $5,000 INCREASE ON THE
CULTURAL ARTS SOCIETY GRANT FOR THEM TO JUST KIND OF BE HELD HARMLESS. 
          RIGHT NOW, THEIR CURRENT, AT LEAST WHAT I GOT FROM JANESSA A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. 
          CURRENTLY, THEY SPENT ABOUT $3,000 ANNUALLY. NO NO,
NO, SORRY. 
          PER SHOW. ON FACILITY RENTALS, 2300 PER SHOW. 
          SO I KNOW MY NUMBERS ARE ALL OVER. OUR OLD NUMBERS WOULD HAVE HAD THEM GOING TO $8,000 PER
SHOW. 
          THIS IS BEEN BACKED OFF FROM THAT TO ABOUT 4 TO $4000,
$5,000 PER SHOW. 
          SO THIS RATE SHEET WILL REQUIRE THE CULTURAL ARTS SOCIETY GRANT TO GO UP? MAYBE FIVE. BETWEEN 5 AND $10,000 ANNUALLY, BECAUSE WE'RE CHARGING MORE FOR THEIR
FACILITIES THAN WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR THEIRS. IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE THEY'LL THEY'RE ALSO AND I
DON'T KNOW ALL THE NUMBERS, BUT THEY ALSO RIGHT NOW RENT A LOT OF ALL THE TECH THAT THEY PUT INTO THE JAIL,
THEY RENT AND THEY WON'T HAVE TO. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WON'T HAVE TO DO ONCE THE LIGHTS AND STUFF ARE IN. THERE'LL BE A
BIG COST IN THE BEGINNING, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT, I THINK. I THINK YOUR RATES HERE ARE VERY GOOD. ARE WE IN THE BALLPARK? I THINK WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING, THE ONLY THE ONLY ONE I QUESTION IS I DON'T FEEL THAT WE
ARE FOR OUR STANDARD RATES. 
          I GET IT THAT THIS IS LIKE A PART, AND I GET THAT MANY PEOPLE FROM OTHER PLACES USE OUR
PARKS. 
          I USE OTHER PARKS, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE WITH THE CEMETERY. 
          ARE WE CHARGING ENOUGH TO NOT HAVE NONRESIDENTS USING OUR BUILDING SO MUCH THAT OUR
RESIDENTS CALL THEM, THEY CAN'T GET IN. I SUGGEST TAKE THAT STANDARD RATE CALL AND INCREASE THEM EVEN A TOUCH
MORE. 
          I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. THE OTHER THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I'VE GOT,
CORBIN AND I AGREE WITH THAT, BY THE WAY, IS IT SAYS FULL VENUE PERFORMANCE DAY. 
          IS IS IT A BETTER TERM TO SAY FULL VENUE EVENT DAY? YEAH. BECAUSE AN EVENT. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. SO NOT NECESSARILY A PERFORMANCE. 
          RIGHT. BECAUSE LIKE IF, IF I WERE YOU'RE DOING A BANQUET I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU I'M GOING
TO GIVE YOU THE PERFECT EXAMPLE. 
          GRANDMA AND GRANDPA ARE GOING TO PROBABLY GET STUCK HERE IN TWO YEARS FOR THE QUINCEANERA
FOR A GRANDDAUGHTER. 
          THE PRIVILEGE TO HOST, I BELIEVE YOU MEANT. YES. 
          SO HOWEVER YOU HOWEVER YOU WORD THAT. SO THE QUESTION IS,
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PERFORMANCE. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE WE WANT TO RENT THIS. THE SPACE WITH THE BLEACHERS PUSHED BACK AND THE
LOBBY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SO I THINK I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO TO SAY EVENT DAY. 
          AND, AND WE NEED WE NEED TO NOT MAKE THIS JUST A THEATER THING BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT THE
REASON WE BUILT WHAT WE BUILT A COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE THINGS AND I SLIPPED SOMETIMES,
BUT I'M TRYING TO REFER TO THIS VENUE AS THE COMMUNITY AND ARTS CENTER. IT'S NOT AN ART CENTER. IT'S A COMMUNITY. 
          AND ARTISTS WE HAVE THERE WORKING ON THAT, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          BUT IT'S NOT YET BECAUSE WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON FUNDRAISING AND NAMING THE BUILDING AS
A POSSIBLE NAMING THE BUILDING AS A POSSIBLE FUNDRAISING ITEM. 
          SO WE HAVE WE HAVE NOT PROGRAMED THE SIGNAGE ON THE EXTERIOR. 
          HERE'S THE ONE THING I WANT TO BE CAREFUL OF IS THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT PRIMARILY FOR THE
THEATER, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT A THEATER. NOW HOLD ON, LET ME LET ME FINISH WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY
HERE. 
          SO IT WAS PRIMARILY PUSHED BY THE THEATER TO HAVE A THEATER. 
          SO BECAUSE WE TORE DOWN THE OLD ONE AND THEY HAD TO PUT DOWN,
WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE OF IS THAT WE AREN'T BUILDING AND CHARGING FOR A THEATER. 
          AND OUR GROUP THAT WE BUILT IT FOR SAYS, WELL,
DANG, YOU GUYS BUILT THIS THEATER, BUT NOW WE CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO BE IN IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. THAT'S WHY YOU NEED A LITTLE MORE DOLLARS. 
          YES, I GET THAT. I JUST I DON'T WANT THEM TO THINK,
YOU KNOW, GREAT. 
          YOU GUYS BUILT THIS THEATER, BUT NOW YOU'RE CHARGING SO MUCH FOR IT. WE CAN'T EVEN AFFORD
TO BE HERE. WE'RE GOING BACK TO MEADVILLE. THAT'S WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HEAR. 
          YEAH, WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE CONTRACT, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR GRANT. 
          I KNOW, I JUST NEED TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE OF YES,
WE HAVE WE HAVE THIS GREAT THEATER THAT WE'VE BUILT FOR YOU, 
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BUT WE'RE GOING TO NOW CHARGE MORE AND YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE PAYMENT NOW. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO COME AND PRESENT LATER TODAY,
AND THEY'RE KIND OF IN A LITTLE BIT OF A QUANDARY BECAUSE THEY'RE WE'RE WE'RE STARTING THE CITY BUDGET PROCESS. THEY ARE PRESENTING TO YOU THEIR BUDGET WITH AN ASSUMPTION ON THEIR
GRANT. 
          ASK FROM THE CITY. WE TOLD THEM TO BASE IT ON THIS MODEL,
AND THAT WE WOULD BE COMING TO YOU EARLIER THAT DAY TO DISCUSS THIS RATE MODEL. BUT I ANTICIPATE THERE. BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THEIR BUDGET REQUEST. 
          I ANTICIPATE THEIR BUDGET REQUEST WILL GO UP A LITTLE BIT ASSUMING THESE RATES. 
          I'M NOT SAYING IT'S EXPENSIVE. I'M JUST SAYING LET'S LET'S BE CAREFUL NOT TO MAKE IT TOO
EXPENSIVE. THE FANCY ABILITY TO CHARGE MORE FOR TICKETS. 
          YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE WANT THEM TO HAVE AS MUCH COST RECOVERY AS THEY CAN. 
          YEAH, IT'LL BE A LOT MORE PRIVATE. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE REALLY STUPID QUESTION. 
          I KNOW THAT IN OTHER THEATERS, THE THEATER OWNER US HAS A CONTRACT WITH AN EXCLUSIVE TICKET AGENCY, AND THEN THE THEATER OWNER GETS A CUT OF THE
TICKET. 
          IS THAT A POSSIBILITY HERE OR DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD? YEAH, IT IS A POSSIBILITY. WE HAVE NOT PROPOSED TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD FOR A COUPLE OF
REASONS. 
          ONE IT REQUIRES US TO SIGN UP AS A CITY WITH A TICKET VENDOR,
LIKE ART TIX OR WHOMEVER, WHO ALSO TAKES A CUT OF THE TICKET FEE. 
          AND TWO, THIS VENUE IS SMALL ENOUGH, AND WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP IT COMMUNITY ORIENTED
ENOUGH THAT, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THE EVENTS IN HERE WILL BE PAID TICKETED EVENTS. 
          I'M NOT SURE. SO WE DIDN'T ELECT TO PUT THAT INTO THE MODEL. 
          AND AT LEAST FOR ME, I LIKE IT TO BE AFFORDABLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          YEAH. YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY 150 BUCKS TO GO SEE WICKED. 
          I WON'T. NOT IN MY BUDGET. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM PUT ON WICKED,
BUT I WILL GO ALL THE WAY TO ENGLAND AND WATCH IT FOR 2025. 
          I LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK'S COMMENT ON IF THE RATES ARE TOO LOW FOR NONRESIDENTS,
THEN RESIDENTS WON'T HAVE MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO USE THE BUILDING. I THINK WE NEED TO SEE THAT HERE. 
          ONLY. I REALLY DO. THE STANDARD RATES LIKE THE FIRST. 
          THE FIRST LINE YOU GO UP BY, YOU KNOW, YOU DOUBLE IT,
BUT THEN THE NEXT ONE YOU GO UP BY 100 AND THEN YOU. 
          I JUST THINK THAT I THINK WE NEED TO YOU NEED TO RELOOK AT THOSE AND SEE BECAUSE. 
          BECAUSE IT REALLY WAS KIND OF A FULFILLMENT OF A PROMISE FROM A PAST COUNCIL IS WHY WE'RE
HERE TODAY. 
          FIRST A BROKEN PROMISE, THEN A PROMISE. SO, SO I JUST I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT WE ENDED UP
GETTING A LOT OF TRAVELING THINGS THAT SCHEDULED THIS BUILDING AND THEN AND THEN A COMMUNITY
MEMBER, A MOM CALLED UP AND SAID, I WANTED YOU. AND YOU'RE LIKE,
WELL, WE CAN DO THAT IN 2027, IN MARCH. 
          ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH MIDVALE AS WELL IS WE OPEN UP THE RENTAL BOOKS AT A
CERTAIN TIME. 
          FIRST OF ALL, FOR PARTNERS, THEN IT'S OPEN FOR A LITTLE BIT FOR RESIDENTS AND THEN IT'S
OPEN. 
          SO, SO ANY WE'RE ASSUMING THE SAME ANY RESIDENTS THAT ARE THINKING IN ADVANCE. 
          WE LET THEM KNOW FROM SO OCTOBER 15TH THROUGH NOVEMBER 15TH,
RESIDENTS ONLY CAN LOOK OUT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEXT COMING YEAR. AND THEN AFTER THAT,
IT'S THEN AFTER THAT IT'S THE WILD WEST. 
          ARE WE PLANNING ON REACHING OUT TO GROUPS THAT WE KNOW ARE IN THE CITY? YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE IS AT LEAST ONE DANCE GROUP IN THE CITY THAT I'M PRETTY WELL
AFFILIATED WITH. 
          ACTUALLY, THERE'S A COUPLE, BUT YEAH, BRADLEY HAS A LIST OF GROUPS KIND OF LOCAL THAT HE
REACHED OUT TO AND JUST KIND OF VETTED THEIR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BUILDING. WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND HE GAVE US DOCUMENTS ON DOCUMENTS OF CONTACTS AND ALL. 
          YEAH. THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. I'M SURE IT'S NOT EXHAUSTIVE. 
          RIGHT. YEAH, IT'S OUR BEST, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S PIANO TEACHERS THAT DO RECITALS AND DANCE
GROUPS AND WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. 
          WE'LL WANT EVERYONE'S HELP. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT MY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS. 
          WHAT STRATEGIES DO WE HAVE THAT'S GOING TO ATTRACT THE BOOKINGS RATHER THAN LOSING THEM TO
COMPETING FACILITIES? CORBYN HAD A GREAT IDEA EARLIER ABOUT LIKE UNIT STATES AND EVEN DOING PROFESSIONAL PHOTOS
FOR WEDDINGS. 
          AND THEN OUR TEAM WILL KIND OF FIND LITTLE WEDDING SHOWS OR,
YOU KNOW, TRADE SHOWS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND BE ON SITE AND SHARE YOUR NEW VENUE THAT YOU CAN HAVE A WEDDING AT. 
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HERE'S PROFESSIONAL LOOKING PHOTOS. EVEN LOOKING AT IF YOU BOOK IN A CERTAIN WINDOW WILL,
YOU KNOW, DO SOME DEALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT AT LEAST,
YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETTING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND SHOWING THAT WE HAVE THIS VENUE. 
          OBVIOUSLY HAVING IT MARKETED, HAVING ITS OWN WEBSITE AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. 
          YOU'LL BE AMAZED. WE TURN AWAY ABOUT 60 X AT LEAST A YEAR. 
          WOW. SO THIS IS TRICKY. IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE OPENED ALL OF OUR OTHER BUILDINGS WE
HAVE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WE DON'T REALLY PUSH TO TRY TO FILL. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE OPENING A BUILDING,
A CITY OWNED BUILDING THAT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY WORK TO TRY TO GET IT USED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          WE NEED TO DO SOME MARKETING. DO WE REALLY NEED TO WORK ON THE MARKETING,
OR IS THIS IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW YET. 
          THAT WAS THE BIGGEST ASSUMPTIONS WE MADE IN OUR PROFORMA WAS THE UTILIZATION RATES. 
          MIDVALE, OF COURSE, WAS KNOWN FOR BEING ONE OF THE LEAST EXPENSIVE. SO THAT'S WHY IT
APPEALED TO SO MANY. 
          I MEAN, THE VIRIDIAN IS FULL EVERY WEEKEND. SO I MEAN,
YEAH, VIRIDIAN CAN BE HARD TO GET INTO, ESPECIALLY ON WEEKENDS. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FULL
VENUE EVENT INSTEAD OF PERFORMANCE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT A EVENT, THE VENUE RENTAL. 
          ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLY ON WITH THIS IS TO TRY TO SHIFT A LOT OF STUFF
AWAY FROM PIONEER HALL THAT'S ARCHITECTURALLY SENSITIVE. IS THAT IS THAT A GOOD DESCRIPTION AND MOVE THINGS
TO HERE? SO I DON'T SEE IT KIND OF HAS RENTAL PERIODS BROKEN UP INTO TWO BLOCKS,
BUT YOU KNOW, 65% OR 70. IS THERE A BETTER IS THERE A BETTER MODEL FOR A HALF DAY USE OF THE
BUILDING, LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH PIONEER HALL AND HAVING IT. 
          A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER THAN PIONEER HALL, SO WE CAN SHIFT THE A LOT OF SOME OF THE EVENTS
FROM PIONEER HALL HERE, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE GOALS. SO I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I NEED YOUR POLICY DIRECTION. 
          I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING IT CHEAPER THAN PIONEER HALL. 
          PIONEER HALL IS NOT NEARLY AS NICE AS THIS VENUE. 
          I WOULD SAY IF WE'RE IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT PIONEER HALL AND THE STUFF,
I WOULD SAY WE MAKE A POLICY THAT AT THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN PIONEER HALL BECAUSE IT'S ARCHITECTURALLY SEXUALLY SENSITIVE ARE NO LONGER IN LINE. 
          YEAH. THEY LAUGH. THEY LAUGH. NO, NO. BUT THAT'S. 
          I'VE HAD MANY STAGES TORN APART BY EVERY WEEKEND. 
          YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THE HALF DAY RENTAL. 
          EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE. ARE YOU SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW PIONEER HALL. 
          YOU CAN RENT FOR FOUR HOUR BLOCK, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. SO WHY WOULDN'T. WHY IS THIS ONE 8 TO 8? 8 TO 3 WORKS AT 60%. BUT OKAY, MAYBE IT WORKS I DON'T KNOW. 
          THESE ARE THESE ARE KIND OF STANDARD TIMES. WE KIND OF ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO DISCOUNT IT TOO
MUCH, BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THESE USES THAT WILL JUST SAY,
I WANT TO PUT ON A CONCERT THAT NIGHT OR A RECITAL, A PIANO RECITAL OR WHATEVER. I ONLY NEED IT FOR THE EVENING IF IT'S 50%. 
          OUR OUR RATES ARE ALREADY PRETTY DISCOUNTED. AND THEN IF IT'S 50% OF THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE
ONLY USING IT THAT EVENING, THAT'S THEN I AM WORRIED ABOUT COST RECOVERY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT AT 75% OF THE. IMPACT OF WHAT THE FULL IF YOU USE IT FROM FIVE TO 5 TO 11. SO THAT AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMES THAT THEY CAN'T USE THE BUILDING AFTER
11:00. 
          RIGHT. IS THAT IN YOUR POLICY? IN THE POLICY. 
          YEAH. SO MAYBE MAYBE WHAT WE WHAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IS IF WE SAID WITH YOU,
HOW ABOUT WE DO THIS FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEN HAVE YOU COME BACK AND GIVE US AN UPDATE OF THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THIS PROCESS WILL BE BECAUSE GOOD
NEWS TRANSFORMER FROM ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER THAT WE WERE BEING HELD UP ON. 
          IS HE NOT ONLY HERE, IT'S INSTALLED. AND CIRQUE HAS GIVEN US A DATE FOR WHEN THEY WILL BE
DONE. 
          OF EARLY JUNE, I THINK JUNE 6TH WAS THE DATE. 
          AND SO NOW WE CAN START WORKING ON SOME TIMELINES WITH A SENSE OF CONFIDENCE AND
CERTAINTY. 
          SO WE, WE WE I KNOW WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT CAUTIOUS,
BUT WE ARE FEELING GREAT ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 
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BUILDING, ABOUT THE CONTRACTOR AND THE ARCHITECT. 
          AND WE ARE I MEAN, THIS BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN BEEN DISCUSSED FOR 15 PLUS YEARS IS NOW
ABOUT TO OPEN AND IT'S SUPER EXCITING. BUT IF IT OPENS IN JUNE OR JULY,
SIX MONTHS LATER WILL BE THE START OF THE NEXT BUDGET PROCESS, AND WE WILL NEED TO COME BACK AND SAY, DID WE HIT THE MARK OR WE WERE WAY OFF ON OUR
ASSUMPTIONS? SO YES, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT BUILDING AND WE ARE PLANNING ON THAT TENTATIVELY. 
          HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING. RIGHT IS A COUPLE OF SPECIAL 1 OR 2 SPECIAL EVENTS IN JUNE TO
KIND OF CELEBRATE A GRAND OPENING OF THE BUILDING A RIBBON CUTTING AND CONCERT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN WE BLOCK IT OUT FOR THE FIRST 5 OR 6 DAYS OF JULY FOR WESTERN STAMPEDE AND
WESTERN STAMPEDE, VIP MEALS AND STAFF, STAFF. GREEN ROOM, VOLUNTEER GREEN ROOM. 
          WHAT ELSE DID WE JUST TALK ABOUT? ROYALTY DRESSING ROOMS. AND THEN STARTING JULY 7TH OR EIGHTH, FROM THEN ON,
OPEN. 
          DO MINI RODEOS INSIDE THE DIRT. BUT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING,
IT'LL BEAT IT UP LESS THAN CLOGGING CONCRETE FLOOR. THAT'LL BE FINE. CLOGGING IS BAD,
BUT MUTTON BUSTING? YEAH. ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US RIGHT NOW TO MOVE FORWARD? I OUR THUMBS UP. ARE WE ON THE RIGHT PATH? MORE OR LESS. 
          WE GOT GOOD FEEDBACK TODAY AND WE'LL MAKE SOME OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          LET'S SAY WE'RE CLOSE, EITHER MORE OR LESS. I SAW I SAW BOB ZACH IN THE CHAT. 
          WE WILL. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO RENT THIS OUT
UNTIL TO THE PUBLIC OR ANY OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE NOT A CITY EVENT UNTIL AFTER JULY. 
          WE CAN JUST PUT THIS RATE SHEET INTO THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET AND GO THAT PROCESS. 
          IF WE WANT TO RENT IT OUT TO ANY OUTSIDE GROUPS BEFORE JULY 1ST,
WE'LL HAVE TO DO A FEE SCHEDULE AMENDMENT. 
          LIKE I SAID, I THINK OUR BEST BET IS TO ASSUME CITY EVENTS IN JUNE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW
EXACTLY WHEN WE'LL FINISH AND THE PUBLIC AFTER JULY, AND THEN WE CAN PUT THIS RATE SHEET IN THE BUILD OUR OUR BUDGET AND THE CULTURAL ARTS
SOCIETY CAN BUILD THEIR BUDGET AROUND THESE ASSUMPTIONS. 
          MY COMMENT IS, IF WE'VE GOT A TARGET DATE FOR JUNE AND NOTHING IN CONSTRUCTION MEETS TARGETS, WE SHOULD JUST REALLY SAY THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT
WE'RE GOING TO RENT THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC IS PROBABLY 15TH OF JULY, AND CALL IT GOOD. YEAH. AND THEN IN FACT,
THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT JULY 6 OR 7, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF IN THERE. 
          WHY NOT JUST DO THAT NOW AND PUT IT IN THE BUDGET AND SAY,
WE'RE NOT GOING TO RENT THE BUILDING UNTIL JULY 15TH? SELFISHLY, I WANT TO SCHEDULE A CITY CELEBRATION IN JUNE TO CELEBRATE THE GRAND OPENING OF
THIS EVENT, BUT THAT WILL BE A CITY SPONSORED EVENT. THAT'S NOT A CITY. 
          YEAH. AND THEN AFTER. YEAH. AFTER. WESTERN STAMPEDE. 
          WE DON'T RENT THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND PUT IT ON THE MARKET UNTIL JULY 15TH,
AND WE'RE GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. PLEASE. STAFF LIKE, SEVEN DAYS TO GET READY FOR THE NEXT WEEK OF
REST. 
          JUST FOR NOTES. COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB ARRIVED AT 414. 
          GOT THAT DOWN. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION B,
ELEMENTS OF STORAGE AND COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. 
          [b.
 Discussion on Elements of Storage of Commercial Vehicles]
AND WE HAVE A MEGAN AND SCOTT HERE TO LEAD US IN OUR COMMERCIAL VEHICLE DIRECTION. 
          YEAH, THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGING TOPIC OVER THE YEARS. 
          AND SO WE FIRST OF ALL, I'M REALLY GRATEFUL THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO TAKE THE SURVEY. 
          THAT'S THAT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL. THE END RESULT OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY IS TO HAVE ENOUGH
CLARITY TO ACTUALLY DRAFT A CODE FOR YOUR FOR YOUR REVIEW. THE SURVEY. I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE LED THE FIRST. 
          ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS WE ASKED YOU ON THE SURVEY,
IF YOU REMEMBER, WAS THIS THIS BALANCE BETWEEN ESTHETICS, NEIGHBORHOOD ESTHETICS AND BEAUTIFICATION VERSUS PROPERTY RIGHTS. 
          THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION TO ANSWER. AND RIGHTFULLY,
THE MAJORITY OF YOU LINED THAT UP WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM YOUR COUNCIL RETREAT, WHICH IS HOW HOW IS THE CITY SHOWING ITS. 
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SO NEIGHBORHOOD ESTHETICS WAS IMPORTANT TO THE MAJORITY OF YOU. 
          AND IT POUR OUT IN IN THE TABLE. SO OKAY, BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS COUNCIL, I, WE HAVE ENOUGH FROM THAT SURVEY TO MORE OR LESS
DRAFT A CODE FOR YOUR REVIEW. HOWEVER, AS YOU SAW IN YOUR RCA,
THERE ARE THREE ROUGH CATEGORIES THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME HOLES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE ENOUGH THAT WE NEED TO PLUG THOSE HOLES BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY DRAFT
SOMETHING FOR YOU TO REVIEW. 
          SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF OF WHY WE WANTED TO TAKE TIME TODAY IS TO PLUG THOSE HOLES,
TAKE THAT AWAY AND WE'LL BRING BACK A DRAFT FOR ANOTHER FOR ANOTHER COMMITTEE. 
          BUT MEGAN SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THIS, AND SO I'M GRATEFUL SHE'S HERE. 
          I'M GOING TO HAVE HER STEP THROUGH THESE THESE CATEGORIES OF QUESTIONS,
AND WE'LL GET SOME INFORMAL THUMBS UP, THUMBS THUMBS DOWN, AND SOME, HOPEFULLY SOME COMMENTARY. 
          AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY FROM THIS GROUP. 
          SO DO YOU WANT THE CHART? IT'S THE FIRST ONE EVER FOR THIS GROUP. PERHAPS THAT WAS WHAT THE POWERPOINT WAS IN THE PACKAGE,
BUT I CAN PUT THE CHART UP THERE TOO, IF YOU WANT THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST HELPFUL. 
          WE CAN PROMISE YOU THIS. I HAD. OH, GOTCHA. OKAY. 
          SO I'M SORRY. IT'S NOT GOING BECAUSE I'M IN CONTROL. 
          YOU NEED TO GO TO DIFFERENT GRAPHS. YEAH. COULD YOU GO TO CLASS FOR LIKE THAT? THAT ONE. OKAY. SO WE JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS WE WANTED TO THOUGHTS ON. 
          SO FIRST ONE IS ABOUT STORAGE TIME AND HOW LONG. 
          BE COMFORTABLE HAVING THE VEHICLES STORED ON THE PROPERTIES. 
          SO WE WANTED TO GO OVER CLASS FOUR. CLASS FIVE VEHICLES AND SMALL EARTHMOVING EQUIPMENT. 
          SO YOU WANT TO START WITH CLASS? FOR HOW LONG? WE HAD EXAMPLES OF UNLIMITED ONLY 72 HOURS. SO FORTUNATELY FOR ME, US FOR 72 HOURS MAXIMUM OF 72 HOURS. JUST MY OPINION. 
          THAT'S ALL WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS IS OPINIONS. 
          I CAN AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I'VE HAD A FEW PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT SCHOOL BUSSES BEING
BROUGHT IN AND PARKED AND PROPERTIES AND AND THEY DON'T LIKE IT AND THEY'RE HURTING. ESTHETICS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A NEIGHBORHOOD IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CARES
ABOUT. 
          WE SOMEWHERE COMPLAIN WE'RE NOT AN HOA. THAT'S SORT OF A TURN OFF. 
          YEAH, THAT'S MY NEIGHBOR. HIDEOUS. WELL I I'D SUPPORT CANCEL MY. 
          MY QUESTION IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. YES,
I SEE THIS CLASS FOUR VEHICLE HERE. 
          HOW MUCH DIFFERENT IS THAT CLASS FOUR VEHICLE THAN A BIG RV? YEAH. ONE ON THE BOTTOM IS A BIG RV, ISN'T IT? YEAH, IT IS AN RV, RIGHT? YEAH. WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU CAN'T TELL AT ALL. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY PROVING MY POINT. I CAN'T, I TOLD YOU IT WAS GREAT. 
          BIGGER BELONGS TO REBA, SO IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE,
IS IT? AND ARE WE DOING THIS BLANKET OF THE CITY, OR IS IT GOING TO DEPEND ON WHERE? BECAUSE SOME OF OUR PROPERTIES, THEY'VE GOT DECENT AMOUNT OF LAND IN THEIR LAND. 
          AND IF THEY HAVE A VEHICLE LIKE THAT ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY AND NOT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD,
THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT. 
          IT WILL HAVE DIFFERENT. YEAH, I SEE THAT. YEAH,
I WAS LOOKING AT THAT TOO, BUT IT'S I COULDN'T READ IT. 
          IT WAS WAY TOO SMALL. YEAH. I COULDN'T EVEN ZOOM IN. 
          EVERY TIME I TRY TO ZOOM IN AND THEN I LOSE IT. SO I COULDN'T EVEN,
LIKE, FULLY ANALYZE IT. 
          YEAH. SO IT PROBABLY WILL BE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON IF THEY'RE IN AGRICULTURE. 
          BUT COULD YOU GO TO CLASS FIVE? SO A LOT OF THESE THESE QUESTIONS ARE HELP. 
          AGAIN THIS IS TO HELP US DRAFT AN ORDINANCE. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE SOMEWHAT ENFORCEABLE. 
          I'VE GOT BROCK I'VE GOT LARRY HERE. THEY THEY DEAL WITH ENFORCEMENT EVERY DAY. 
          OR THE INTERPRETATION AND THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE. 
          SO FEEL FREE. THEY'RE NOT SITTING AT THE TABLE,
BUT FEEL FREE TO FIRE QUESTIONS. 
          BRING THEM UP TO THE TABLE. I'D LIKE TO ASK,
WHAT'S THE CLASS FIVE 
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VEHICLE? A FORD F-350 WITH A BOX ON THE BACK. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING US. THAT A YELLOW ONE? THAT'S A PROBABLY AN F-350 OR F-450. SO FOR CLASS FIVE,
SAME QUESTION MARK TIME YOU. SEE SIMILAR FOR ME THINKING ABOUT ESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD 72 HOURS. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ESTHETICS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PARKING? IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF IT'S IN THEIR DRIVEWAY AND OUT OF THE WAY,
WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? IF THEY'RE IN MY, MY IN MINE WAS GOING TO GO IF IT'S PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          I MEAN, I GOT I HAVE A SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT FROM,
FROM THE CORNER OF MY HOUSE TO THE BACK FENCE IS. 
          115FT LONG, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE WAY WE HAD TO BUILD THE FENCE DOWN THE SIDE OF THE
FENCE AND OFF TO TO THE TWO SPRINKLER SUPPLIES BUILDING OUR FENCE. WHEN? WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING. 
          I MEAN, YOU GOT 100. IF SOMEBODY'S GOT 115FT OF FENCE LINE AND I CAN PULL IT IN TO THE
SIDE OF MY HOUSE AND I, I'LL GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE. MY HOUSE, I GOT GATES,
THE GATES OPEN, AND I CAN DRIVE EVERYTHING IN THERE EXCEPT FOR MY SHED. 
          I CAN PUT MY SHED. I GET ENOUGH LAND. I COULD PROBABLY PARK TWO SEMIS IN THERE AND NOBODY
WOULD EVEN KNOW THAT I DID IT. 
          IS THAT SO? WHERE? WHERE? I THINK PART OF THIS FOR ME IS WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PARK THIS
IF IF IT'S EVEN WITH THE HOUSE AND BEHIND, WHAT DIFFERENCE IS IT TO ME BEHIND THE FENCE? WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF IT'S IF IT'S DIFFERENT,
IF IT'S PARKED ON THE STREET, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A TEN FOOT DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TEN FOOT DRIVEWAY. 
          LIKE THERE ARE SOME OVER BY YOU'RE IN OVER BY YOUR HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH
THAT WE'VE GOT FIVE AND SIX FOOT DRIVEWAYS. 
          THEY CAN'T EVEN THEY CAN'T EVEN FIT THAT IN THEIR FRONT YARD. 
          SO I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION IS. YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE TO
PARK THESE. 
          BUT I AS POWELL MENTIONED, IT'S ON. IF IT'S ON AN AGRICULTURE LOT,
IT MAY NOT MAKE A DAMN BIT OF DIFFERENCE ON AN R-1 ON AN R1, R1 SIX. YOU DON'T WANT ONE OF THOSE PARKED THERE. 
          PROBABLY NOT. SO I GUESS SOME OF THAT IS FLEXIBILITY TO ME IS WHERE WHAT ARE WE TALKING
ABOUT WITH CLASS FOUR AND CLASS FIVE AND WHERE ARE WE TALKING R1 TEN,
R1 SIX, R1 EIGHT, R3, WHATEVER THAT THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION. 
          YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN MY THING WITH THIS THING THE WHOLE TIME,
IS IS MAKING UP STANDARDS FOR THIS TYPE OF VEHICLE AND THAT TYPE OF VEHICLE AND THIS THING AND THAT THING. WHY DON'T WE MAKE UP A STANDARD THAT CAN APPLY TO
ALL VEHICLES, AND IF YOU MEET IT, GREAT. AND IF YOU DON'T MEET IT,
GREAT, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU DON'T PARK THERE. 
          AND IF YOU DO MEET IT, YOU PARK THERE. AND WHETHER IT'S A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE OR A
MOTORHOME OR A BUS OR A BUS THAT'S BEEN CONVERTED TO A MOTORHOME OR WHATEVER, IF YOU CAN PARK IT IN THESE KINDS OF PLACES,
LIKE IN AN R16, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE ROOM ON THE STREET BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS OR MAYBE THE SETBACKS OR WHATEVER. SO YOU CAN SAY IF IT IF IT FITS ON THE SIDE OF A HOUSE AND IT
STILL HAS A SETBACK OF FOUR FEET, THEN YOU CAN PARK IT THERE. I DON'T CARE WHAT ZONE IT IS AN R16,
IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO DO, BUT IN R 110 IT'S GOING TO BE EASY TO DO. BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE PLACES IN R16 WHERE YOU
CAN DO IT AND PLACES WHERE YOU CAN'T, AND PLACES IN ARLINGTON WHERE YOU COULDN'T DO IT. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE EXCUSE FOR
HORRIBLE NEIGHBORS CALLING ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL AND DOESN'T HURT ANYBODY, AND CREATES MORE DRAMA FOR EVERYBODY. LET'S JUST DO THAT. 
          YES. AND I DON'T WANT US TO BE AN HOA, AND I DON'T WANT US TO TAKE FREEDOMS AND PROPERTY
RIGHTS FROM US BECAUSE THE AUTHORITY ISSUE. 
          LET'S JUST. YEAH, IT WAS I THINK IN THE SURVEY EVERYTHING WAS KIND OF IT DEPENDS. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF IT WAS A CONSISTENT STANDARD THAT APPLIES ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          TIME, TIME TIME PLACE MATTER. RIGHT? YEAH. COUNCILMAN GREENE'S TALKING ABOUT IF IT'S
PLACED AND SCREENED. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD SOME DIALOG AMONGST STAFF THAT IF IT'S IN A PERMITTED AND
CLOSED BUILDING, WHAT DOES IT MATTER? SURE. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. 
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YEAH. I MEAN, IF IF THE PERSON HAD A GARAGE IN THEIR BACKYARD BECAUSE THEY CONVERTED THEIR
GARAGE TO A FAMILY ROOM. BUT IF YOU HAD A IF YOU HAVE A STANDALONE GARAGE IN YOUR BACKYARD WHICH A LOT OF MY
NEIGHBORS DO, WHO'S GOT THE STANDALONE GARAGE IN THE BACKYARD? THEY CAN PULL THAT INTO THE GARAGE. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHETHER THEY HAVE IT?
TRUTHFULLY, 95% OF ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE UNDER AN HOA AND COVERS MOST OF THIS ANYWAYS, SO 9095, BUT ALL THE NEW ONES ARE ALL HOA COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          AND THAT FOR ME IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT IT'S BEHIND AND SCREEN. 
          SO IF THAT'S IN A GARAGE OR JUST A FENCE AND IT'S NOT A RULE,
FOR RV TO BE LIKE THAT ALREADY, ISN'T THE RULE FOR RV TO BE BACK NEXT TO THE HOUSE. 
          BUT THEY DID. YOU CAN START ON THE SIDE YARD AND EXTEND INTO THE FRONT FACADE,
BUT IT CAN'T BE COMPLETELY IN FRONT OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          I THINK THE COMFORT LEVEL FOR MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE BEHIND THE HOUSE,
AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CARE SO MUCH. 
          IT'S WHEN THAT SITTING AND THOSE DON'T LOOK SO BAD,
BUT THERE ARE A LOT THAT DON'T LOOK QUITE AS GOOD AS THOSE THAT JUST SIT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS WHEN THEY ARE ON THE STREET,
IT IS A PROBLEM. 
          I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH OUR GOOD MAYOR, GOT A LOT OF PHONE CALLS BECAUSE A BUNCH OF BIG
COMMERCIAL. 
          VEHICLES WERE ON THE STREET AND THEN YOU COULDN'T GET THROUGH THE STREET SAFELY. 
          SO I THINK WE DO NEED STANDARDS. IT'S A PROBLEM TO GET FOUR OF US TO AGREE ON THAT
STANDARD, BUT THAT IS WHY WE'RE HERE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT, IT IF IT'S NOT BEING INTRUSIVE TO THE OTHERS
AROUND IS PROBABLY THE HARDEST THING. 
          IT'S REALLY EASY TO KNOW. I CAN ONLY GO THAT FAR. 
          RIGHT. BECAUSE AS SOON AS I GO THERE, I'M IN TROUBLE. 
          BUT SHE'D LIKE TO KNOW. NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR. 
          THAT'S HARDER. I HAD A GOOD CITY MANAGER ONCE ASKED,
RIGHT AFTER WE HAD SAID NO TO GO, IF MY NEIGHBOR HAD GONE. 
          I TOLD THAT CITY MANAGER. HE SAID WE COULDN'T HAVE GOATS. 
          AND MR. LEE'S LOOKING AT ME AND I'M LIKE, THERE'S NOTHING. 
          AND HE GOES OVER AND JUMPS OVER THE FENCE AND TELLS ME THERE'S NOTHING THERE,
BUT THE GOATS DON'T BOTHER ME, SO I DON'T TURN THEM IN. SO I THINK IT JUST CHILLING. 
          NOW IT'S ON PUBLIC RECORD. YEAH. YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH NEIGHBOR. 
          ONLY CORBIN KNOWS. I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M AT,
BECAUSE ESTHETICALLY, TO ME, THAT'S WHERE IT COMES DOWN. 
          IF PEOPLE ARE DRIVING IN, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THAT LOOKS SO BAD. 
          THEN THEY CALL US. AND I TRY TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING. 
          CLASS FOUR, CLASS FIVE AND HIGHER. IF IT IS BEHIND,
IF IT'S FULLY ENCLOSED, EVERYONE IS OKAY, RIGHT? IN A FULLY ENCLOSED BUILDING GARAGE. 
          DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S FULLY ENCLOSED. BIG GARAGE. 
          IF IT IS BEHIND AN OPAQUE FENCE. I'M HEARING THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH CLASS 4 OR 5. 
          IF IT'S BEHIND AN OPAQUE. SO THIS WOULD NOT COUNT. 
          YEAH, BUT IF THOSE FENCES WERE TOTALLY COVERED,
IT WOULD BE LESS OF A VISUAL RIGHT TO THE BOX. 
          CAN'T SEE THE BOX. SO. SO? SO I'M JUST SAYING THIS YELLOW BOX TRUCK SHOULD BE THE SAME
REQUIREMENTS AS RVS FOR. IT'S ALL THE WAY UP FRONT. DEAL WITH THAT. 
          THERE'S NOTHING. IT'S NOT IMPEDING ANYTHING. AND IT'S SOMEBODY OWNED. 
          IT'S THERE. I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. SO YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR RIGHTS. 
          I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT OTHER PEOPLE DISAGREE,
SO IT'S OKAY TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          I KNOW IT IS OKAY TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S RIGHTS AWAY. AND I
DON'T CARE WHAT MY NEIGHBOR THINKS. IF IT'S MY RIGHT TO PARK THERE, I'M GOING TO PARK THERE. IT'S NOT BOTHERING THE NEIGHBOR, THOUGH. 
          IT'S NOT HURTING THEM. IT'S NOT BOTHERING THEM. IT'S NOT DANGEROUS TO THEM. SO WHY WOULD
WE TAKE THAT AWAY? YEAH. YOU CAN'T. 
          YOU SHOULD KNOW MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN'T SAY WHAT IS NOT OFFENSIVE TO OTHER
PEOPLE. 
          THAT'S JUST NOTHING. WE CAN DO THAT. BUT. NO,
BUT YOU'RE DOING IT. 
          I'M. I'M WITH YOU. YEAH, RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, I GUESS. 
          YOU DISAGREE. I DON'T AGREE, I AGREE. ALL I'M SAYING IS I LIKE THAT. SHE COMING BACK? COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM LEFT IT 5045055 I'M JUST SAYING THE BOX RIGHT THERE. IF IT'S THE SAME RULE AS THE RVS,
I'M OKAY WITH IT. 
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LIKE, OKAY, GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE THAT YOU HAD. 
          SCOTT. I DON'T HAVE THE THAT ONE. BUT DIDN'T THIS WHOLE THING START BECAUSE SOMEBODY
LOOKED INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S BACKYARD AND SAID, YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT CONTAINER IN YOUR BACKYARD. IT STARTED BECAUSE OF
THE SEMI TRAILER THAT WAS PARKED IN THE BACKYARD USED AS A STORAGE. 
          YEAH, IN A STORAGE UNIT. ISN'T THAT WHERE IT STARTED FROM? OF COURSE. WE LOST THE COURT CASE. THIS HAS BEEN GOING FOR YEARS. 
          YES. MY QUESTION. IT WAS NOT AN OPAQUE, FENCED IN BACK. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY AT LEAST FOUR BUSSES HERE AND AN RV FATHER
BEHIND IT. 
          WHAT WHAT IS THE USE THAT THEY'RE USING THIS FOR? SPOTIFY. WHAT'S THAT? MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT'S A STORAGE POD. 
          THAT'S MY ASSUMPTION. WE DON'T KNOW WHO TOOK THE PICTURE. 
          WELL, IT COULD BE A STORAGE LOT, OR IT COULD BE AN RV PARK,
BUT IT'S NOT. 
          IT'S PROBABLY NOT IN AN AREA THAT'S ZONED FOR THAT. 
          SO EITHER OF THOSE USES. THAT'S MY QUESTION. THAT'S MY QUESTION IS,
IS IS IT IS THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKING EASIER TO. AND IT MAY NOT BE. I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION,
IS IT EASIER TO ADDRESS BY USE THAN IT IS BY TYPE OF VEHICLE? MAY NOT BE. IT MAY NOT BE ANY EASIER. 
          WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, DO WE WANT. DO WE WANT BACKYARDS TO TURN INTO STORAGE YARDS? WE WENT DOWN THAT PATH, THAT DEBATE, THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AND FELT LIKE
THE THE BLACK AND WHITE NATURE OF THE CLASSIFICATION OF VEHICLES WAS AN EASIER WAY TO ENFORCE THAN THE SUBJECTIVE NATURE OF. 
          IS THAT BUS BEING LIVED IN STORED USED FOR SCHOOL KIDS? SO YEAH, I THINK AND THIS IS I'M JUST I'M CONCERNED WITH USE AS YOU CAN ESTABLISH IN
CONFORMITY WITH THESE OTHER PROVISIONS. BUT I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT WHETHER WE WANT TO GRANT OTHER PEOPLE DOING THIS FOR YEARS AND ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          WELL, I GUESS I GUESS MY CONCERN IS, LOOK, I GET WELL,
I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE HAD IT IN MY BACKYARD AND THEY'RE NOT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, BUT I'VE HAD I'VE HAD A 15 FOOT TRAILER IN MY BACKYARD. 
          I'VE HAD A FOUR FOOT TRAILER IN MY BACKYARD. I'VE HAD A POP UP TRAILER IN MY BACKYARD ALL
AT THE SAME TIME. 
          IS THAT A VIOLATION OF CITY ORDINANCE? NOBODY COULD EVEN SEE IT. 
          SO MY QUESTION, MY I GUESS MY QUESTION COMES MORE IS IF SOMEBODY OWNED A BUS,
CONVERTED IT TO AN RV OR JUST A BUS OR WHATEVER, OR A FOOD TRUCK, BECAUSE THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE RVS OR FOOD TRUCKS NOW. 
          AND ALTHOUGH THEY CAN'T BE STORED IN A IN A HOME FOR USE AS A FOOD TRUCK,
PEOPLE STILL PARK THEIR FOOD TRUCKS AT HOME. 
          NEVER MIND. I'M NOT GOING THERE. BUT IF THEY HAD THOSE KIND OF VEHICLES,
I'M OKAY WITH ONE. 
          ARE WE OKAY WITH THREE? FOUR? AND I THINK THAT BECOMES A LOT OF TIMES THE BIGGER ISSUE. 
          I DON'T CARE IF ONE PERSON PARKS A KUBOTA IN THEIR BACK OF THEIR YARD. 
          YOU KNOW, A LITTLE KUBOTA TRACTOR HECTARES USED TO BE DOWN ON 13TH WEST. 
          A PERSON HAD A KUBOTA PARKED IN THEIR FRONT YARD. 
          I DIDN'T CARE, THEY WERE GREAT IN THEIR BACK YARD AND PARKED IT OUT ON THEIR DRIVEWAY. NO
BIG DEAL. 
          BUT IS IT A FLEET OF KUBOTA THAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM? IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT ONE KUBOTA. IT'S THE FLEET OF KUBOTA. 
          AND THAT FLEET IS TURNING INTO A BUSINESS ENTERPRISE THAT THE LAND IS NOT ZONED FOR. 
          SO I THINK WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO IS I'M OKAY WITH EVERY BEING SCREENED,
BUT MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A NUMBERS GAME AS WELL. RIGHT INTO THE CATEGORY NUMBER TWO ON YOUR RCA THEN? YEAH. YES. HOW MANY VEHICLES? HOW MANY? I JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU KNOW, I. SO CAN WE BEFORE WE MOVE ON OR OR BRING UP ANOTHER TOPIC. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT ENOUGH CONSENSUS AS FAR AS PLACEMENT FROM THE FROM THE FROM THE
FRONT FACADE BACK IF THAT IS THAT IS AS LONG AS IT'S SCREENED BY. 
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IS THAT ALL RIGHT? IT DOESN'T FROM CLASS FOUR UP AS LONG AS IT'S BEHIND SOME SCREENING I. 
          YEAH BUT. THAT QUANTITY BECOMES AN ISSUE. THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION WE'LL WE'LL
ANSWER BUT BUT GENERALLY SCREENING. YEAH. SORRY I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING YOU SAID. 
          YOU SAID CLASS FOUR UP I THINK I TALKED ABOUT CLASS FOUR. 
          CLASS FIVE CLASS OKAY. SOME OF THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS LIKE SEMI TRUCKS IN IN A BACKYARD I
DON'T I DON'T WANT THE VIOLATIONS GET PRETTY HIGH. PARTLY BECAUSE THE WEIGHT THAT'S COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SOME OF
THOSE VEHICLES IS BEYOND WHAT SHOULD BE ON MY NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, AND IT'S RUINING NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. WE BUILD NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS TO A DIFFERENT
STANDARD THAN YES, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE AS THICK ASPHALT, THEY DON'T HAVE AS THICK ROAD BASE. THEY ARE NOT
MEANT FOR HIGHER WEIGHT. 
          SO YEAH. SO I'M NOT ABOVE FIVE. I'M NOT OKAY. 
          BUT FOUR AND FIVE I'M 4.5 BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE,
BEHIND A SOLID OPAQUE FENCE AND MAYBE ON AN APPROVED SURFACE. 
          YEAH, 1 OR 2 MAXIMUM APPROVED SERVICE WOULD BE GRAVEL OR. 
          YEAH, APPROVED SURFACE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE FOR MOTOR VEHICLES. 
          I THINK IT'S FINE. I'VE GOT A NEIGHBOR. WE DON'T DO THAT FOR RVS. 
          IF IT'S A MOTOR HOME. YES WE DO. YEAH, YEAH. TELL ME WHAT IT IS. 
          CONCRETE OR ASPHALT FOR A VEHICLE WITH A MOTOR. 
          IF IT'S A AN ENCLOSED TRAILER GRAVEL IS NOT A PROBLEM. 
          BUT IF IT HAS A MOTOR, IT HAS TO HAVE CONCRETE OR ASPHALT SURFACE. 
          YES. YOU GOT THE VEHICLE? I GOT SOME PICTURES FOR NON-MOTORIZED. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T I'VE NEVER HAD AN RV. I THOUGHT THAT WAS. 
          AS MUCH AS I'D LOVE TO HAVE THE ART CENTER NAMED AFTER MY BUSINESS,
I'VE NEVER HAD THAT KIND OF MONEY. 
          NOT THERE YET. SO I DON'T KNOW. CAN CAN ENCLOSE FIFTH WHEEL TRAILERS. 
          DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT CAN LEAK. YEAH, WELL,
THEY COULD LEAK, BUT NOT THE OIL. 
          OIL WON'T LEAK. BUT DON'T THEY HAVE STUFF THAT COULD LEAK? IT COULD BE BAD. I MEAN, THE ONLY STUFF THAT WOULD LEAK IS WATER OR SOMETHING,
RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. I JUST, I DON'T KNOW. I LOOK AT,
YOU KNOW, FREON OR WHATEVER THE FRIG OUT OR WHATEVER. 
          OKAY. CARRY ON. BUT THAT WOULD BE IN THE. IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN YOUR REFRIGERATOR. 
          LOOKS LIKE I'VE GOT ENOUGH TO MOVE FORWARD. AT LEAST FOR CLASS FOUR AND CLASS FIVE. 
          QUANTITIES THOUGH. COUNCIL MEMBER. YOU SAID. I THINK I'D PREFER ONE,
BUT MAYBE MAYBE TWO TO BE MORE REASONABLE. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS CLASS FOUR OR CLASS FIVE. YEAH. 
          OKAY. I WOULD PROBABLY MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE I'D BE BETTER WITH ONE. 
          AND THEN MY PREFERENCE IS ONE AS WELL. THEY'D HAVE TO COME TO US IF THEY NEED MORE THAN
ONE BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT GETS IN ME IT AND IT BECOMES A BUSINESS. 
          YOU'RE RUNNING IT. IT'S NOT THE KIND OF BUSINESS I WANT. 
          SO RESIDENTIAL I'M GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION JUST BECAUSE I'M CRAZY ENOUGH TO ASK. 
          IF WE SET UP THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE AND LAND USE AND SOMEBODY WANTED TO, LET'S SAY, HAVE TWO, THEY COULD HAVE AND IT WOULD BE A VERY SIMPLE PROCESS. 
          NOW THEY WOULD ASK FOR THE VARIANCE BECAUSE THIS IS A LAND USE ORDINANCE,
RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE TO PROVE HARDSHIP. WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVE HARDSHIP,
BUT THAT'S THAT. 
          THAT WOULD. BUT IT WOULD GIVE SOMEBODY A WAY OUT IF THERE WAS ACTUALLY A HARDSHIP,
THAT WAS NECESSITY. 
          SURE, THERE'S A PATH FORWARD. I THINK IT'D BE REALLY HARD TO PROVE. 
          WELL, IT WOULD BE HARD TO PROVE A BURDEN TO PROVE BEYOND THE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. SO ONE PER LOT FOR CLASS FOUR AND FIVE IN RESIDENTIAL ZONE. WELL, YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL. YES,
I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR FOUR. OKAY. AND IT HAS TO BE SCREENED. 
          THEY WERE ON AN APPROVED SURFACE. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THE KUBOTA'S? SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP. SMALL EQUIPMENT. 
          WITH AN ACTIVE. DO YOU HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT? ALL I CAN THINK OF IS KUBOTA. AND IT CAME THROUGH ON A BUDGET ONE TIME. 
          BUT. THINK ABOUT AN IMMATURE JAPANESE KIMONO. 
          THAT'S A BIT DIFFERENT. AND WHAT DOES IT SAY? 76. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S WARM. I DON'T HAVE MY JACKET ON,
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S WARM IN HERE. 
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THAT'S COOL. SO SMALL EARTH MOVING EQUIPMENT. 
          SO I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE SAME RULE IF IT'S CONTAINED IN A BUILDING OR IF IT'S BEHIND A
FENCE, THAT THEY HAVE ONE OF THOSE. BUT IF THE. SO HERE'S HERE'S THE DIFFICULTY. 
          02,000 POUNDS. HERE'S THE DIFFICULTY WITH THESE IS THAT LET'S SAY YOU'RE RUNNING A
LANDSCAPE BUSINESS. 
          YOU WOULD HAVE A TRAILER AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE. 
          TRAILER I MEAN NO, I DON'T YOU WOULD KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE ONE TRAILER AND YOU'D HAVE A LOT
OF THESE. 
          AND THEN BASED ON THE JOB THAT YOU'VE GOT. YOU TAKE THE YOU TAKE THE,
THE THE TRENCHER OUT OR THE AUGER OR THE BACKHOE FOR THE SKID STEER. DO WE DO WE ALLOW MORE THAN ONE OR WHAT'S THE GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT OF A CLASS SIX VEHICLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PERMIT? AND COULD WE ADD UP SIX UP TO FOUR AND FIVE. RIGHT. 
          WELL, WHAT IF FOUR AND FIVE. OKAY. WHAT'S THE GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT OF A CLASS FIVE TRUCK. 
          AND WOULD A COMBINATION OF THE GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT. 
          SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO ARTICULATE THAT I CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH ON IS,
IS IT BETTER THAT WE CALL IT A CLASS FIVE OR CLASS SIX TRUCK, OR DO WE USE GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE A CLASS FIVE AND SIX COME FROM. 
          AND THEN WE LIMIT THE NUMBER OF THESE TIED TO A GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          YEAH, EXCEPT THAT SOUNDS REALLY LIKE YOU COULD DEFEND THAT. 
          BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR BROCK. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE VEHICLE WEIGHT THAT IS SET AT 12,000 GVW. 
          YOU CAN HAVE SIX OF YOUR COMMODUS. SO I THINK A NUMBER NUMERICALLY IS TO ME,
EASIER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES. 
          I THINK IF WE'VE GOT ONE OF EACH OF THESE VEHICLES AND MY GUYS ARE OUT THERE TRYING TO ADD
UP WHAT THE GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT IS, I WOULD I WOULD DO SOMETHING SIMPLE. BUT, YOU KNOW,
WHERE I'M GOING IS A NUMBER IS 5 OR 6 OF THESE OKAY. 
          IS THREE OKAY. WHAT'S THE OKAY NUMBER THAT WOULD PUT US IN THE SAME BALLPARK AS THE TRUCK? WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON THAT HAS YOUR DITCH DIGGERS DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT. 
          IT'S GOT ABOUT 14 OF THEM LINED UP BECAUSE HE'S RUNNING A BUSINESS AND HE PLACES THEM OUT. 
          AND PARDON ME, DOES HE LEASE THEM? YEAH. OH,
YEAH. 
          YEAH. YOU CAN FIND HIM ON KSL. YOU CAN GO RENT ONE,
PICK IT UP AND THEN BRING IT BACK WHEN YOU'RE DONE. 
          YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE. THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S JUST SO MUCH EASIER. 
          THIS THING. THIS. THIS. I KNOW THIS IS HARDER. 
          I MEAN, CALVIN HAS A GOOD POINT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY,
WELL, LITERALLY MY NEIGHBOR, YOU CAN'T HAVE THOSE THREE THINGS IN YOUR BACKYARD BECAUSE I VOTED FOR JUST. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS ON THIS ONE. THESE ARE SMALL ENOUGH. 
          I'D BE OKAY WITH THREE. THREE. HOW DOES THAT FEEL AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT? ENFORCEMENT WISE, IF WE CAN GO WITH A HARD NUMBER THAT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE THREE OF A SMALL
EARTH MOVING EQUIPMENT CLASSIFICATION. 
          WE CAN ENFORCE THAT AND WE CAN TELL THE COMPLAINANT,
LOOK, THEY CAN HAVE THREE WHEN THEY PULL THE FOURTH KUBOTA IN. 
          LET US KNOW BECAUSE THEN BECOMES A VIOLATION. 
          I'D BE OKAY WITH THREE BECAUSE THEY ARE SMALL. 
          AS LONG AS IT'S BEHIND A FENCE. I GUESS THAT WHAT WE WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO IS IF SOMEBODY'S
GOT A DOZEN OF THESE SITTING IN THEIR FRONT YARD, IT'S. AND THEY'RE RENTING IT OUT. THAT'S A BUSINESS. 
          YEAH. AND WE'LL BE ADDRESSING HOME BASED BUSINESSES AT SOME POINT IN TIME THIS IN THE NEXT
MONTH OR TWO ANYWAY. 
          THAT BECOMES A BUSINESS WITH MULTIPLE EQUIPMENT. 
          AND WE CAN ALSO HELP ADDRESS THAT IN THE HOME BASED BUSINESS LICENSE AREA. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A GAME THAT BROCK PLAYS EVERY DAY THOUGH,
YOU KNOW, THEY CAN CLAIM, WELL, I'M NOT I'M NOT DOING THIS AND THAT. HAVING A HARD NUMBER THREE OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT
BE WOULD, WOULD ACTUALLY BE HELPFUL AS WE GET TO THAT HOME BASE. 
          I THINK THAT I THINK THAT WHAT WE CAN SAY IS IN,
IN SOME GENERAL TERM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THERE'S PERSONAL USE AND THERE'S BUSINESS USE,
AND WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING IS THREE OF THESE KIND OF UNITS TO BE PARKED IN YOUR YARD FOR 
          [01:20:06]
PERSONAL USE. ANYTHING ELSE? MORE THAN THREE,
WE ARE PRESUMING, AND I THINK WE CAN GET AWAY WITH THAT. 
          WE'RE PRESUMING IT'S COMMERCIAL BUSINESS USE AND THEREFORE COMMERCIALS ARE NOT ZONED FOR
COMMERCIAL. 
          YOU SEE, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS I THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY PRESUME THAT ANYTHING
GREATER THAN THREE. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE CODE. THREE THREE IS THE CITY COUNCIL'S DECLARED THREE
FOR PERSONAL USE. 
          ANY MORE THAN THAT'S COMMERCIAL USE, AND IT'S NOT PERMITTED IN THE ZONE. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT ARE LIKE HALF ACRE? LOTS THAT ARE. SMALLER? YEAH. WE KNOW WHAT OTHER CITIES LIKE. WE KNOW WHAT THEY DO. I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT THEIR CODES ARE ON THE
SMALL BUILDINGS. I REMEMBER READING SANDY'S AND. THAT'S. 
          JORDAN DID A STUDY, AND PATRICK FOUND IT. GOT ANY INFO FOR ME,
PATRICK? YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN ON THIS TOPIC. ON THIS TOPIC. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ON THIS TOPIC? NO. NEVER MIND. 
          HE'S GOT FOUR OF THOSE IN HIS BACKYARD. SOUTH JORDAN HAD LUPUS RECENTLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THAT IN THE NEWS. 
          SO THEY HAD THE BUS THAT WAS AN RV THAT WAS WRAPPED. 
          IT WOULD DO MOBILE MAMMOGRAMS AND THINGS, AND IT WAS IN AND OUT OF THEIR RESIDENTIAL
AREAS. 
          AND SO THEY WERE LOOKING AT REVISING THEIR CODES. 
          THEY DID A SURVEY OF CITIES UP AND DOWN THE STATE,
ACTUALLY, FROM CEDAR CITY, I THINK, EVEN UP INTO LOGAN AND STUFF. 
          SO WE DO HAVE THAT. WE JUST GOT IT KIND OF RECENTLY,
AND SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY INCORPORATE IT INTO A LOT OF THIS. 
          BUT MOST CITIES ARE CONCERNED MOSTLY ABOUT WEIGHT. 
          WHEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE WEIGHT OF THE ROADS,
I WILL TELL YOU IF BRIAN WERE HERE AND AND I KNOW THIS COUNCIL HAS SPENT SO MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT HOW TO BUDGET MONEY FOR THE REPAIR AND UPKEEP OF OUR ROADS,
WHEN WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROAD BASE, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A THICK ENOUGH LAYER OF ABOUT ASPHALT. THAT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE FOR OUR
RESIDENTIAL. 
          WE'RE TALKING RESIDENTIAL ROADS. I DIDN'T KNOW THIS,
BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'LL BE DRIVING AROUND, YOU'LL SEE SIGNS THAT'LL SAY TRUCK ROUTE. TRUCK ROUTE. 
          THOSE ROADS ARE BUILT DIFFERENTLY, AND THEY'RE BUILT FOR THESE WEIGHTS. 
          SO, YES, ESTHETICS ARE IMPORTANT. ESTHETICS ARE NOT REALLY A BIG PART OF WHAT MOST OF THE
CITIES HAVE HAVE ADDRESSED. 
          IT IS MAINLY, THOUGH CATEGORIZED BY WEIGHT. AND SO THESE CLASSIFICATIONS FOR VEHICLES ALSO
HAVE LIKE THESE WEIGHT LIMITS. 
          SOME OF THE ONE TWO, THREE, FOUR FIVES ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL WEIGHTS. 
          SO I, I DO HAVE THE SOUTH JORDAN MATERIALS. I COULD GO THROUGH OR JUST PROVIDE IT TO THE
COUNCIL AS PART OF THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS DISCUSSION AND LET YOU LOOK AT THOSE AND KIND OF JUST SEE WHAT THEY PUT TOGETHER FOR
THEIR COUNCIL PURSUANT TO SOME OF THEIR DISCUSSIONS ON THE SAME ISSUE. THAT WAS REALLY JUST ONE EPISODE. SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD ASSOCIATED TOPIC IS
TRAFFIC. 
          THE TRAFFIC GENERATION. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER ASSOCIATED IMPACT THAT WE'RE,
WE'RE KIND OF ADDRESSING HERE. 
          EVEN IF THAT PERSON HAS THREE OF THOSE DITCH DIGGERS,
DECIDES, DECIDES TO HAVE A SIDE HUSTLE AND RENTS THOSE PERIODICALLY. 
          THAT'S A VASTLY DIFFERENT ISSUE. THREE VERSUS A DOZEN COMING INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH. SURE. SO THAT THAT IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING THAT WE NEED
TO CONSIDER. 
          GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT, OF COURSE, BUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC BEING PULLED INTO OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL. 
          SO. WELL, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S IT'S THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC BEING USED THAT THOSE THAT,
THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WASN'T DESIGNED TO HANDLE FOR BUSINESS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT. 
          RIGHT IS. AND SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO PICK A NUMBER THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WITH
THESE. 
          AND IF, IF, IF IT'S THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, IF THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC OR THE WEIGHT
OF THE TRUCK ON THE ROAD, THEN WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF IT'S PARKED IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE?
RIGHT. 
          THAT'S NOT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC OR. RIGHT. IT'S JUST CAN WE CAN WE ADDRESS BOTH? I'M JUST SAYING, IF WE HAVE A HAVE A REASON,
WE CAN ALL AGREE IS THE REASON. 
          [01:25:02]
IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR ME TO GET BEHIND SOMETHING BASED ON A PRINCIPLE. 
          THEN WE GOT THIS PRINCIPLE. BUT IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS SITUATION. 
          BUT THAT'S ALSO A PROBLEM. SO WE GOT THIS PRINCIPLE OVER HERE. BUT THAT'S ALSO A PROBLEM.
SO WE GOT THIS OVER HERE. AND NOW WE'RE CHASING OUR TAILS AROUND THE CONFERENCE TABLE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE IS HERE. 
          IF WE'RE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVING ROADS,
THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THAN WHETHER MY BOX TRUCK STICKS OUT FROM THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE OR IS COMPLETELY ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          IT'S AN ANCILLARY DISCUSSION BECAUSE THOSE TRUCKS ARE BIGGER. 
          IT'S A WELL, YEAH. SO BUT AGAIN, IS IT ESTHETICS OR IS IT. 
          YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT BOTH. I, I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S BOTH BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WE WANT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAVING A MINI SKID STEERS IN THEIR BACK. 
          I THINK WE PRIMARILY HEAR ESTHETICS FROM THE CITIZENS LIKE THEY SAY. 
          OH, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE. RIGHT. RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ROADS BEING TORN. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WELL,
THEY ARE. THEY DON'T KNOW. THIS IS WHY I'M GOOD WITH THREE. 
          THREE. AND THAT THAT REALLY HELPS. SPEAKING OF THE CITIZEN,
THREE BOBCATS. 
          YEAH. YEAH. THREE OF THESE. THREE OF WHATEVER. 
          THREE SMALL, I MEAN SMALL. THE LITTLE THING ON THE BOTTOM THREE LOADS IS LIKE A SEEMS LIKE
OR SIMILAR TO A SNOWBLOWER. 
          I LOOK AT THEIR WEIGHTS. THEY'RE ALL SIMILAR IN WEIGHT. 
          THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S WHAT I WENT THROUGH. BUT THEY'RE ALL A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT I LIKE JUST THE SIMPLE NUMBER, BECAUSE WHEN BROCK GETS A CALL FROM A RESIDENT,
THEY WON'T KNOW HOW MUCH EACH OF THESE THINGS WEIGHS. 
          RIGHT. IF WE'RE WELL, THEY CAN COUNT TO THREE,
THOUGH. 
          BUT THEY WILL. THEY WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE BOBCATS ARE MORE THAN THE THREE
PILLARS. 
          OH, YEAH. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE OF EACH TO MAKE THREE. 
          YEAH. BUT THAT'S THE ARGUMENT. YEAH. CAN THEY HAVE SIX. 
          YOU KNOW, THREE OF EACH. TWO OF THOSE THREE COMBINED. 
          THREE COMBINED. THREE TOTAL. SO SO DO WE HAVE THREE,
SIX, 912, 15. 
          IS THREE A GOOD NUMBER? I'M GOOD WITH THREE THREE. 
          HEY YOU GOT 14355. KIMLEY-HORN ME KEN. ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT WILL JUST BE A NO FOR THIS WHOLE POLICY,
SO JUST BE READY. 
          HE HAS BEEN ALL ALONG. HE'S BEEN VERY CONSISTENT. 
          MEGAN, WHAT OTHER THINGS DO WE NEED THAT I CAN GET BEHIND. 
          I UNDERSTAND. SO THE THIRD CATEGORY COUNCIL WAS ABOUT MOTORHOMES,
BUT I'M. 
          IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT NEVER EVER. OKAY. IT'S NEVER SAFE TO ASSUME. 
          BUT WE TALKED ABOUT CLASS FOUR AND CLASS FIVE. 
          AS LONG AS THEY ARE BACK BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE,
SCREENED ON AN APPROVED SURFACE. 
          YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT CLASS SIX AND ABOVE? NO, BECAUSE THEN YOU GET TO THE. WAIT. WHERE'S THE CLASS SIX? I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE SURVEY WAS REALLY HELPFUL,
I THINK. 
          I THINK THE COUNCIL, WE HAD A CLEAR MAJORITY THAT THAT WE ARE FILLED WITH THAT CLASS SIX
AND ABOVE. 
          THE WAIT IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WITH APRONS AND SIDEWALKS
THAT WERE CURBS, GUTTERS THAT WERE PUT IN BY THE CITY THAT CLASS SIX AND ABOVE. 
          DRIVING OVER THOSE CAN REALLY BREAK IT UP. AND THEN OUR OUR RESPONSIBILITY,
OUR LIABILITY IS WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE SIDEWALKS. 
          CLASS SIX AND ABOVE, EVEN IF THEY'RE SCREENED BECOME CAN BECOME PROBLEMATIC. 
          FROM A FAVOR OF ROADS, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF NONE. 
          NO CLASS SIX AT ALL. IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES, CLASS SIX STARTS AT FIVE AND BELOW. 
          CLASS SIX STARTS AT 19,000. THE SURVEY RESULTS KIND OF BEAR THAT OUT. 
          YEAH. IS THERE A STANDARD TRUCK? OKAY. I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TO DRAFT A CODE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH ON THE TRAILERS? YEAH. DO YOU HAVE,
AS YOU SAID, THE PICTURES. 
          BUT CAN I ASK A QUESTION THAT'S IN THE SAME BALLPARK? NOT THE SAME THING. I'VE GOT A PERSON IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAS PAVED THE FRONT SIDEWALK
ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK FENCE LINE IN THEIR IN THEIR YARD,
AND THEY PARK AT LEAST TEN PICKUP TRUCKS FOR THEIR LANDSCAPING BUSINESS. 
          HOW DOES CODE WORK WITH THAT? IT'LL BE OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CURRENTLY AGAINST THAT
FULLY. 
          IT'S FULLY CEMENTED THEIR LANDSCAPE VEHICLES THAN WE RELY ON THE HOME OCCUPATION STANDARDS
WHERE YOU'RE ALLOWED ONE VEHICLE, ONE TRAILER FOR YOUR BUSINESS, THE REST HAVE TO HAVE TO GO. 
          WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS. AND THAT'S AT THIS POINT WHAT WE CONTINUE TO DO. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT WITHIN CODE. NO. BUT NOW IF YOU'VE GOT A GUY THAT HAS TEN
TRUCKS WITH NO ADVERTISING OR ANYTHING ON THE SIDE, 
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THEN IT BECOMES, HOW DO WE PROVE THEIR USE, YOU KNOW,
FOR BUSINESS AS OPPOSED TO PERSON? THAT'S MY THAT MIGHT BE A SHOOT RIGHT THERE IS WAS IT? SO IF YOU PUT A MAGNET ON THE SIDE OF YOUR TRUCK WHEN YOU LEAVE TO GO DO YOUR BUSINESS,
BUT YOU COME HOME AND PARK AND YOU TAKE THE MAGNET OFF NOW. 
          IT'S OKAY. BUT IF YOU FORGET AND YOU LEAVE THE MAGNET ON. 
          NOW YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM. YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT IS A HUGE RED FLAG PROBLEM. 
          YEAH. IF YOU'VE GOT TEN TRUCKS AND YOU KNOW,
WE CAN, WE CAN SHOW ANY TYPE OF EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE USED FOR A BUSINESS. 
          TRUST ME, I'VE GOT RESIDENTS THAT HAVE OUTDOOR CAMERAS POINTED AT OTHER NEIGHBORS HOMES TO
CATCH THE PROOF. 
          THEY WANT TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS. SO THAT'S WHAT THE CODE IS. 
          WE ENFORCE IT BEST WE CAN. WITH THAT IN MIND. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          COUNCIL, DID YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS DRAFT CODE COME BACK TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE OR YOU
JUST WANT TO. 
          YES. YES, YES. OKAY. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION ON A ON A SEMI WITH JUST THE TRUCK PART. 
          WHERE DOES THAT FALL? I DON'T HAVE THE TRAILER ATTACHED. 
          WHAT BUT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED. I KNOW, SO WILL IT BE ALLOWED? THERE'S A THERE WOULD BE A CERTAIN. IT JUST SAYS A SEMI TRACTOR. 
          OH, THE PROBLEM IS THEY LET THAT CAMEL INTO THE TENT FOR A LONG TIME AGO. 
          AND IN FACT THAT WAS IN THE PARKING ORDINANCE WE JUST UPDATED IS THAT ALLOWS THE SEMIS TO
BE PARKED. 
          IF YOU WANT TO PROHIBIT IT, IT WILL JUST BE AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE FOR BARACK AND PEOPLE
THAT HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR 20 YEARS WOULDN'T MIND THAT. 
          BUT TO ME, THE REASON I I'M OPPOSED TO SIX ON UP IS THE WEIGHT. 
          WHEN I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH A FRONT PART OF A SEMI IS. 
          THERE IS AN EXCEPTION IN THE CODE FOR THAT IS 25,000. 
          SO WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THAT? IT'S A COUNCIL. WELL I THINK WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW THAT. 
          ARE THERE OTHERS THAT FEEL THAT WAY? BECAUSE IF I'M SAYING CLASS SIX AND ABOVE BECAUSE OF
WEIGHT AND THE SEMI THING WEIGHS AS MUCH OR MORE, THEN I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ALLOWING THAT EITHER,
BECAUSE THAT'S. 
          I WONDERED WHEN WE DID WITH THE PARKING ORDINANCE WHERE THAT EXCEPTION CAME FROM AND WHY
IT'S BEEN IN THERE SINCE, AND IT WAS 20 PLUS YEARS AGO, 2001. SO WE GOT TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANT TO PUT THAT IN
THE CODE. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? I'M OKAY WITH THAT. RIGHT NOW. WILL YOU GO SHOW CLASS FIVE? MEGAN. CLASS SIX, IF YOU'LL NOTICE, GOES TO THREE AXLE. 
          CLASS FIVE AND FOUR ARE STILL TWO AXLE. THAT IS A DISTINCTION AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. CLASS SIX. YOU START TO GET TO MORE THAN TWO AXLE VEHICLES. 
          THE CAB OF A SEMI TRUCK IS MORE THAN MORE THAN TWO AXLES. 
          IT'S THREE, ISN'T IT? YEAH. USUALLY, I MEAN,
TO ME, I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW THAT IF WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THESE. 
          IF I CAN'T GET TWO MORE THAT FEEL THAT WAY. I YOU KNOW WHAT? HERE'S HERE'S HERE'S WHERE I. IF WE'RE TRYING TO TO SAY THAT. 
          WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS AND AND AND SEMIS HAPPEN TO BE WHITER,
THEY'D BE HARDER TO PARK ON THE SIDE OF THE CAR ON THE SIDE. 
          I'M OKAY WITH TAKING OUT THAT EXCLUSION OR TAKING OUT THAT EXCEPTION,
BECAUSE THE WORST THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE ENFORCE IT FOR A WHILE AND AND SEE WHERE IT WENT. 
          IF WE HAD TO PUT IT BACK IN FOR SOME REASON,
YOU CAN, BUT I'M OKAY PULLING IT OUT RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE'S THREE. THAT'S THREE WILLING TO GET MY TRUCK SEMI TRUCK TRACTORS. 
          WE KNOW HOW WE KEPT IT IN. IS IT SOMETHING WE'RE SEEING REALLY PREVALENT IN THE CITY
AROUND. 
          WE SEE IT DOES HAPPEN. YOU CAN UPSET A FEW PEOPLE BY A WHOLE LOT. 
          I WOULD WANT TO SEE MORE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE ALLOWED FOR 20 YEARS LIKE THAT. 
          THAT IS WEIRD THAT I'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION OR TAKE IT. 
          LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOT. NOT FOR YOU. I'M NOT THE SAME AS BOB. 
          I WANT TO I WANT MORE INFORMATION. I WORRY WE'RE DOING A LOT FOR TWO ISSUES,
RIGHT? 
          [01:35:02]
DO WE HAVE, LIKE, A DATABASE OF INFORMATION OF,
OF, LIKE BUSINESSES WHO HAVE THESE VEHICLES LICENSED TO THAT BUSINESS BECAUSE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO DMV RECORDS. SO IT WOULD BE RELYING ON THE BUSINESS TO PROVIDE US
WITH ALL OF THEIR VEHICLES. 
          SO I'M THINKING THAT ONCE, ONCE THIS IS PASSED AND THERE'S AN X NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT
ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS, WE SHOULD LET THEM KNOW. RIGHT. AND THE FIRST MUSIC SHOULDN'T BE HEY,
I CAN'T DO THAT. 
          RULES CHANGE. YEAH. WELL, I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 15 YEARS. 
          I CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. WE COULD DEVELOP SOMETHING. 
          WE COULD DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE GO OUT ON THESE FOR THE FIRST TIME,
WE CAN GIVE THEM A NOTICE TO SAY, HEY, JUST FYI, AND THEN, BECAUSE WE CAN TRACK HOW MANY TIMES AND WHAT CASES WE HAVE MY
ADDRESS. 
          SO THE OFFICER COULD LOOK AT IT THE NEXT TIME AND GO,
OKAY, THEY DID RECEIVE THE NOTICE. 
          I MEAN, WE COULD WORK THAT OUT. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. 
          THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M SAYING IS ONCE THIS ONCE THIS IS SOLIDIFIED AND GOES THROUGH. 
          WE NEED TO GIVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THIS SOME SOME GRACE PERIOD TO GO FIND
SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PARK THEIR WHATEVERS. 
          RIGHT. LIKE GO GO FIND A PARKING LOT AT WALMART,
OR THE ABILITY TO COME TO COUNCIL AND EXPLAIN WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY KEEP IT. 
          I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO THROW OUT A GOOFY SUGGESTION,
BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THE SURVEY. 
          WOULD THIS BE ONE OF THE SURVEY QUESTIONS? DOES YOUR ON ON SPECIFICALLY ON SEMIS? YOU MEAN THE CITY WIDE SURVEY? YEAH, THE CITY WIDE SURVEY. 
          AND AND WE DON'T WE DON'T ADDRESS THE SEMIS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN. 
          OH SHUT UP SIRI. SIRI THINKS I'M TALKING TO HER. 
          BUT WOULD THAT BE WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO? IS THAT WE DON'T ADDRESS THE SEMIS. WE DON'T ADDRESS THE SEMIS. 
          NOW. IT'S STILL AN EXCEPTION IN THE CODE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SURVEY IS HOW BIG
OF A PROBLEM IS SEMIS PARKED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          AND ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN THE SURVEY AND THEN GO FROM THERE. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S TOO NARROW OF A PROBLEM TO PUT INTO THE SURVEY,
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. 
          I THINK I THINK IT'S A IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF
PEOPLE. 
          SO YOUR SURVEY IS GOING TO SAY IT'S NOT A PROBLEM,
BUT THE SMALL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY, OH YEAH, IT IS. YOU KNOW, SO THEY MAY BE RIGHT. 
          LET'S JUST ASK THAT'S THE MARKETING SURVEY GUY THAT'S BEEN DOING THAT FOR A CLIENT. 
          HE'S RIGHT ON IT. WELL, WE WILL WE WILL PUT THE DRAFT TOGETHER AND BRING IT BACK TO A
FUTURE COMMITTEE. 
          THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. SO I'M GOING TO ASK ANOTHER DUMB QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO. 
          THIS POLICY ADDRESS SHIPPING CONTAINERS USED FOR SHIPS. 
          OKAY, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T ADDRESS IT, WE'RE OKAY. 
          WHERE WE STARTED, WE STARTED. ABOUT SCOPE CREEP,
RIGHT? ARE YOU REALLY LEAVING? NO, NO, I'M JUST STRETCHING AND WALKING AROUND THE ROOM. 
          WELL, I JUST FIGURE THIS ONE'S KIND OF. ALL RIGHT,
WE ARE GOING TO SKIP C. 
          I'M JUST KIDDING. OH. SO LET'S. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT ARE WE MOVING ON TO HERE? SO IT'S 540. AFTER C WE IF WE HAVE TIME AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. 
          WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION OF SOME OF THE COUNCIL RETREAT PRIORITIES. BUT I'M THINKING WE
USUALLY END UP AROUND 630, SO, SO LONG AGO, SO I'LL TRY TO MOVE IT ALONG. 
          HERE'S HERE'S WHERE WE KIND OF LEFT OFF AT THE LAST ONE AND WHAT WE'VE WORKED ON. 
          [c.
 Presentation on Good Landlord Program and Short Term Rentals]
BROCK AND I SO FAR AS BRINGING THIS PRESENTATION TO YOU TONIGHT,
REALLY ABOUT CONCEPTS. 
          AT THE LAST DISCUSSION REGARDING GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM,
WE KIND OF HAD A BUNCH OF PROBLEMS THAT WE PRESENTED. 
          THE TAKEAWAY FROM THE MEETING WAS COUNCIL SAYING,
LOOK, BRING US BACK SOMETHING. 
          AND I THINK AT THE TIME I SAID, YOU'LL PROBABLY HATE IT. 
          AND SOMEBODY SAID, WE PROBABLY WILL, BUT BRING IT BACK ANYWAYS,
SO I'M BRINGING IT BACK. 
          FEEL FREE TO NOT LIKE IT. FEEL FREE TO, TO, YOU KNOW,
HAVE SOME OPINIONS ABOUT IT. 
          WE'VE GOT A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE ADDRESSED IN,
IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS STUCK IN THE MATERIALS, WHICH IS ADDRESSING STANDARD RENTAL PROPERTY LICENSE,
GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM, AND ALSO SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          [01:40:01]
SHORT TERM RENTALS IS ADDED. COMPLETELY NEW. PRESENTLY,
THE CITY DOESN'T ALLOW THEM EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A BUNCH OF THEM OPERATING IN THE CITY. 
          THE HIGHLIGHTS KIND OF OF THE GOOD LAND. THE CITY DOESN'T ALLOW THEM. 
          THE CITY DOESN'T ADDRESS THEM. THE CITY DOESN'T ADDRESS THEM BY NOT ADDRESSING THEM. 
          YEAH. WE'RE NOT WE DON'T HAVE A PERMITTING SYSTEM OR OTHERWISE. 
          THANK YOU. MAYOR. GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BROUGHT TO YOU IN THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT
HAS A FEW FEATURES THAT I THINK ARE WORTHY OF HIGHLIGHTING SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM. WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME. 
          HOW ARE WE MEASURING WHETHER THE PROGRAM'S SUCCESS OR NOT? WE'RE MEASURING THAT BY A LACK OF CODE OR LAW ENFORCEMENT INVOLVEMENT. 
          IF THE WEEDS ARE KEPT UNDER CONTROL, IF THERE'S NO LOUD PARTIES IF IF THERE'S TIRES THAT
AREN'T BEING STORED ON THE PROPERTY, IF THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES BEING RUN UP AND DOWN THE ROAD,
THEN THEN WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. SO LONG AS THEY'RE NOT A PROBLEM, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HAPPY. 
          WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEIR LICENSING FEES VERY LOW AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO KEEP OPERATING IN
THE CITY, BECAUSE THEY'RE OPERATING AS A GOOD LANDLORD AND OPERATING IS IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN LICENSE DUE TO REDUCTION IN NEED FOR CITY INVOLVEMENT. 
          WE'RE NOT INVOLVED. LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT INVOLVED. 
          CODE ENFORCEMENT IS NOT INVOLVED. THERE'S NOT A COMMITMENT OF PERSONNEL THAT'S BEING
DEDICATED TO THE PROPERTY. 
          WE'RE NOT HAVING TO ABATE. WE'RE NOT HAVING TO DO ANYTHING. 
          LICENSING FEES SHOULD BE AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. ACTIVE INSPECTION CYCLE FOR REVOCATION,
FOR NONCOMPLIANCE. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY GETTING CODE ENFORCEMENT OR SOMEBODY OUT TO JUST
CHECK ON AND MAKE SURE THAT THE LICENSING IS UP TO DATE, MAKE SURE THAT THE PRACTICES ARE UP TO DATE. MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKING'S BEING ADDRESSED. 
          MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S OTHER THINGS AS WELL WHICH PARKING AND MAINTENANCE AND
NONDISCRIMINATION AND SOME OF THESE OTHER PRINCIPLES CAN BE ADDRESSED IN OUR PROGRAM AGREEMENT. SO FAILURE TO HONOR THE PROGRAM AGREEMENT WILL BE
GROUNDS TO REMOVE FROM THE PROGRAM. 
          WE HAD A PROGRAM AGREEMENT PROBABLY ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO. 
          SOME PERSONNEL CHANGED. THE DOCUMENT GOT LOST. 
          WE HAVEN'T BEEN USING ONE FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          WE'VE GOT A DRAFT THAT WE'RE GOING TO START USING AGAIN TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE OTHER
THINGS. 
          THE CODE CURRENTLY ADDRESSES IT AND CALLS FOR IT. 
          LAST THING IS, IS LANDSCAPING. SO LANDSCAPING AND PARKING I PUT ON THAT ONE. 
          BUT LANDSCAPING CAN BE ADDRESSED AS WELL THROUGH OUR AGREEMENT FOR THE GOOD LANDLORD. 
          PROGRAM. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BROCK AND I DISCUSSED IS THAT IF YOU'RE DRIVING UP
AND DOWN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE IDEA IS THAT THE LANDLORD NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOME IS KEPT IN A SITUATION
WHERE IF YOU WERE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, YOU WOULDN'T SAY THAT'S CLEARLY A RENTAL PROPERTY BECAUSE IT REQUIRES NO LANDSCAPING. 
          IT'S BEEN XERISCAPED. IT SHOULD BLEND IN WITH THE ESTHETICS OF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE
COMMUNITY WITHOUT THERE BEING A BUNCH OF CARS PARKED ON THE ROAD WITHOUT THERE BEING A LOT OF OTHER TELLTALE SIGNS. 
          I'M SORRY IF I'M JUST GOING TO BLITZ THROUGH IT AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IF THERE'S
QUESTIONS AND THINGS PRIOR TO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM NOT RESTRICTED TO OWNER OCCUPIED PROPERTIES, IT'S UNLAWFUL. PARKING MUST BE ON SITE. 
          NO STREET PARKING ALLOWED. NOTICE IS REQUIRED TO BE GIVEN TO NEIGHBORS ALONG WITH CONTACT
INFORMATION. 
          WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY NOT RESTRICTED TO OWNER OCCUPIED? YEAH. SO THERE THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE TRIED TO PUT IN A PROGRAM
THAT HAVE SAID IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTY, THE OWNER MUST LIVE IN THE HOME SO YOU CAN RENT OUT YOUR BASEMENT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. 
          BUT YEAH, IF YOU'RE NOT LIVING, IF YOU, THE OWNER,
IS NOT LIVING ON SITE, YOU CAN'T USE YOUR HOME AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. 
          IT'S NOT A SYSTEM THAT THE COURTS HAVE UPHELD. 
          IT DOESN'T WORK. WE WOULDN'T. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS,
IS THAT A RENTAL PROPERTY? IF I, IF I WERE A RENTER. YEAH. AND I WANTED TO USE THE PROPERTY THAT I HAVE CONTROL OF TO
BE THE VRBO OR A B&B, I COULD DO THAT AS WELL. I WOULD SAY NO,
BECAUSE ACTUALLY THE LEASEHOLD ESTATE OF THAT PROPERTY WOULDN'T QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAM. THE WAY THAT WE'VE PROPOSED IT TO YOU IS THAT
ONLY THE HOME OWNER WOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL LICENSE. 
          IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED. ONLY THE HOMEOWNER CAN DO THAT. 
          CORRECT. CORRECT. THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, I THINK,
ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING. 
          I DON'T KNOW. YOU MAY LIKE IT. MAY NOT. BUT NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBORS WITHIN A CERTAIN
RADIUS, RIGHT? MAYBE 100FT. SEND NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBORS AROUND YOU AND SAY,
I'M GOING TO USE THIS AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. 
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HERE'S MY NUMBER. HERE'S BROCK'S NUMBER. HERE'S A REFERENCE TO THE CODE THAT REGULATES THE
SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          IF THERE'S ISSUES, CALL ME. IF THERE'S ISSUES. 
          CALL BROCK. HOPEFULLY IT EASES TENSIONS BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND HELPS MAKE SURE THAT
PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          TAXES AND FEES WOULD BE COLLECTED AND TRACKED TO ENSURE FULL COMPLIANCE. 
          TRANSIENT ROOM TAX, SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE NOT BEEN COLLECTING ON THEM IN
THE PAST. 
          BROCK AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT SOME SOFTWARE EVEN RUN THROUGH GRANICUS THAT WE ALREADY
USE FOR PRIME GOV. 
          THAT WOULD HELP US INTEGRATE SOME SYSTEMS LIKE THIS. 
          LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. WE HAVE A PROPERTY IN THE CITY BEING USED AS A SHORT
TERM RENTAL RIGHT NOW, AND IT IS CONCRETE STATE. THERE'S NOTHING, NO LIVING THINGS ON THE PROPERTY AT ALL. 
          IT'S CORNER TO CORNER ASPHALT. OH, WAIT, IS THAT DIFFERENT FOR AN OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSE
THAN IT IS FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL VERSUS A RENTAL VERSUS ANYTHING ELSE? WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS IN HERE ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD
WANT THAT THAT TO BE RIGHT. 
          AND WHAT MAKES SENSE. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT FOR KIND OF NEW
DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN THAT WE'VE GOT IN CODE WHERE IT'S WHAT I THINK 75% AT MATURITY HAS TO BE COVERED BY GREENERY. 
          50%. THANK YOU. BUT RIGHT NOW, YEAH, WE WE WE HAVE HOMES IN THE,
IN THE, IN THE CITY THAT ARE NOT NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY HARDSCAPE WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS DOESN'T BELONG IN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL CODE. 
          THIS BELONGS IN OUR RENTAL CODE SOME OTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT CODE. 
          I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS IS A BUSINESS, AND WE HOLD BUSINESSES AT A HIGHER LANDSCAPING CODE
AND A HIGHER CODE THAN WE, BUT IT'S A HOUSE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY'RE RUNNING IT AS A BUSINESS. 
          LET'S GO BACK TO THE VEHICLES. IT SHOULDN'T BE DIFFERENT FOR SOMEBODY AS I MEAN SOMEBODY. 
          WE'RE RESTRICTING BECAUSE IT'S IN A HOME. WE'RE RESTRICTING THEM FOR THEIR BUSINESS. 
          WE'RE JUST SAYING YOU'RE RUNNING THE BUSINESS. HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN DO IF YOU'RE RUNNING A
BUSINESS OUT OF YOUR HOME. 
          I'M JUST SAYING A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LANDSCAPING IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LANDSCAPING
REQUIREMENTS. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE HOUSE IS RENTED, OWNED,
SHORT TERM, RENTED, VACANT, WHATEVER YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD LOOK LIKE, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IF IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD,
IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STANDARDS, IT SHOULD BE. IT SHOULD APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD. I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO YOU GUYS TO DECIDE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          YOU'RE NOT WRONG. I THINK I THINK IT'S IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PREFERENCE AS TO WHAT YOU
WANT THOSE THINGS TO LOOK LIKE. 
          THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A HEIGHTENED EXPECTATION, BECAUSE THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A LICENSE FROM
THE CITY FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE THAN JUST A REGULAR RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL WANT TO DISCUSS AND,
AND DECIDE ON. 
          I THINK IT'S COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL BEFORE IN OTHER CAPACITIES. 
          IT'S AN ONGOING CONVERSATION THAT I THINK COULD WOULD BE TO ME,
LOOKS LIKE AN EXCUSE TO UP THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR EXISTING HOMES, WHEREAS WE HAVE DONE NEW DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT TO ALL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE. 
          BUT HERE'S THE THING WHERE HERE'S A BACK DOOR THAT WE COULD GO THROUGH AND REQUIRE OWNERS
TO UP THEIR GAME WHEN THEY COULDN'T BE. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, THE THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT I PUT INTO THE CODE JUST FOR CONVERSATION
PURPOSES ADOPTS THE STANDARD FROM THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? I ADOPTED THAT 50% OF MATURITY STANDARD. 
          IT'S JUST A PROPOSED IDEA OF WHAT COULD BE IN THERE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT COME OUT OF THIS CODE AND GO INTO CODE. 
          AND I LIKE HAVING IT, BECAUSE WHEN I GET COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE ABOUT,
HEY, THEY'RE RENTING THIS HOUSE OUT AND THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINING IT, WELL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, THEY THEIR FRONT YARDS FULL OF GARBAGE AND THEY PARK ON THE
LAWN AND AND PRIMARILY WHEN THEY COMPLAIN, UNLESS IT'S DRUGS INVOLVED. AND THEN THEY'RE COMPLAINING BECAUSE THE RENTAL HOME ISN'T
BEING MAINTAINED. 
          AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT TYPICALLY MEANS LANDSCAPING. 
          SO NOBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES. 
          THEY ONLY COMPLAIN ABOUT RENTALS. NO, THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT BOTH. 
          IF THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE OWNER OCCUPIED HOME,
SHOULD WE SAY SORRY THAT ONE'S OWNER OCCUPIED? THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. BUT THEY GET THEY GET MORE FRUSTRATED WHEN THEY KNOW THAT
SOMEONE IS JUST THEY'RE NOT LIVING THERE BEING THEIR NEIGHBORS. 
          IT'S THEIR INCOME AND THEY GET MORE FRUSTRATED. 
          AND WHETHER YOU THINK THEY SHOULD OR NOT, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY THAT THAT I HEAR FROM
PEOPLE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOUR HOUSE HAS WEED PROBLEMS AND OTHER PROBLEMS,
YOU'RE ALREADY AFOUL OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. WHETHER YOU'RE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, RENTING, OWNER OCCUPIED OR WHATEVER. MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY FROM ME HOW CRAP. 
          [01:50:04]
ALL THE TIME. WE'RE IN AN HOA. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOVERNED BY THE CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          I THINK IT'S GOVERNED BY THE HOA. RULES SUPERSEDE IT,
AND IT BUGS ME THAT THEY'RE NOT ENFORCING IT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, LOOKS LIKE CRAP, RIGHT? OWNER OCCUPIED. 
          LOOKS LIKE OUR FENCES ARE FALLING DOWN. THEY'VE GOT CRAP ALL OVER THE YARD. 
          IT'S HORRIBLE. AND IT'S THERE ALL THE TIME. BUT IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED. 
          SO SHOULD THEY BE HELD TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD IF THEY WERE RENTING OR NOT? LANDSCAPING STANDARDS SHOULD BE STANDARD. AND. 
          AND JUST AS A REMINDER THIS IS ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          SO THIS IS RENTALS LESS THAN 30 DAYS. RIGHT. SO SO AND. 
          YEAH. AND AND I'M GOOD EITHER WAY TO BE FAIR. 
          SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING WHERE I WOULD GO WITH THIS. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT I CARE ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS IN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL. 
          BECAUSE IF THE PERSON WANTS MONEY. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE LAND. MAYBE. BUT BUT THE ASSUMPTION WOULD BE IS THAT IF THE
HOUSE LOOKS LIKE A DUMP, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL BECAUSE SHORT TERM RENTALS WANT THINGS
TO LOOK GOOD. 
          SO I'M OKAY WITH NOT HAVING LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS THERE. 
          THAT'S THAT'S ME, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL THEY'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSING
ON THE SHOW ABILITY OF THE PROPERTY IS THAT'S THE WAY THEY HAVE TO ADVERTISE ON THE INTERNET TO GET PEOPLE TO COME STAY IN THEIR HOUSE. 
          NOBODY EVER ADVERTISED. COME STAY IN THIS DUMP FOR SIX. 
          WELL. MOTEL SIX. BUT HARDLY ANYONE USES THE RIGHT PICTURES. 
          I'LL PUT IT. WHATEVER VOTERS THEY WANT. ONCE YOU'VE PAID,
YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, THIS PLACE LOOKS LIKE CRAP. I'M STUCK. IT'S LIKE IT SHOULD JUST BE. 
          WHATEVER CODE WE'RE PUTTING FOR LANDSCAPING SHOULD BE ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          WHETHER YOU LIVE THERE, WHETHER YOU RENT THE PLACE,
OR WHETHER IT'S SHORT TERM SHOULD ALL JUST BE. 
          LET ME COME BACK TO THAT AT THE END TO TRY AND GATHER SOME OF THAT CONSENSUS. 
          I THINK WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT. UNIQUE LICENSE NUMBER,
OBVIOUSLY ACTIVE INSPECTION CYCLE AS WELL FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          BUT I THINK HERE'S HERE'S THE BIG QUESTION, PLEASE. 
          CAN I GET MY. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. 
          THAT WAS THE HARDEST PART OF THE PRESENTATION. LISTEN THE TOP DOLLAR PRODUCTION RIGHT
HERE. 
          NO. NO. YEAH. WHERE WILL THESE BE ALLOWED? RIGHT. 
          AND THIS IS, THIS IS, I THINK, THE BIG ISSUE HERE. 
          IS THIS GOING TO BE SHORT TERM RENTALS. CITYWIDE BOUNDARY TO BOUNDARY. 
          CITYWIDE SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO LONG AS YOU GET A LICENSE,
YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. 
          OR IS THERE CERTAIN ZONES THAT WE ALLOW THEM IN R2? PC IS R1. APPROPRIATE FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS OR IS THERE ANOTHER,
YOU KNOW, TYPE OF. 
          WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SECTION THE CITY OFF INTO SECTIONS AND ZONES AND ONLY ALLOW A
CERTAIN NUMBER OF SHORT TERM RENTALS WITHIN EACH SECTION TO MINIMIZE, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL IMPACT TO EACH NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DIFFERENT CITIES HAVE TAKEN DIFFERENT APPROACHES ON. 
          SANDY'S TAKEN THIS BY, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD APPROACH,
LIMITING THE NUMBER PER NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OTHER CITIES HAVE LIMITED IT BY ZONE. OTHERS HAVE JUST COMPLETELY HANDS OFF. 
          AND SO I THINK THE DISCUSSION WITH THE LIMITED TIME,
MAYBE TONIGHT BEFORE WE TRY AND GET SOME OTHER CONSENSUS ISSUES IS JUST WHERE WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS SHOULD BE, IF AT ALL? OR HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? IT'S HARD TO SAY IS WHEREVER YOU DON'T ALLOW,
PEOPLE WILL JUST DO IT ANYWAY UNTIL THEY'RE CAUGHT. 
          AND I FEEL THAT IT'S FOR ME, IT'S THE SAME AS WHEN WE DID THE ADUS. 
          I FEEL LIKE I DON'T CARE FOR ME TO SAY, WELL,
IF YOU'RE IN AN R1 EIGHT OR AN R1 SIX, YOU CAN, BUT IF YOU'RE IN THIS, YOU CAN'T JUST I THINK MORE IMPORTANT IS WHAT YOU HAD,
THAT IF YOU'VE GOT A PLACE FOR THEM TO PARK OFF STREET PARKING, AND I LIKE THAT YOU HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE TO GIVE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW YOU CAN GET
AHOLD OF YOU IF THERE'S A BIG PARTY GOING ON AND HOW TO GET AHOLD OF BROCK. AND AS LONG AS YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS,
I THINK THAT IS FAIR. 
          I WOULDN'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT LIMITING IT TO JUST THIS PHONE OR THAT PHONE OR THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD OR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AS FAR AS LIMITING, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO,
YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF IT BECOMES A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE START HAVING TEN AND 15 HOMES IN EVERY SUBDIVISION BEING SHORT TERM. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO SAY THAT MEANS WE'VE
DONE A GOOD JOB GETTING THIS CITY WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. 
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WE'RE NOT MOAB. WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW WHAT? HE'S NOT HERE. BUT ONCE HE GETS ME, MY TRADER JOE'S,
MY COSTCO AND MY AMUSEMENT PARK, THEN MAYBE I'LL HAVE TO LIMIT IT. 
          I'D LIKE TO ASK EVERYONE HERE A QUESTION, AND THAT IS,
WOULD IT BE COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE FOR THE CITY TO JUST PROHIBIT PROHIBIT SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE NAME OF. WE WANT TO INCREASE HOUSING STOCK FOR,
YOU KNOW, AND ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          WHAT DO YOU DO DURING THE OLYMPICS WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO RENT THEIR HOMES,
OR BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT FOR TWO WEEKS THEY COULD RENT THEIR HOME FOR, YOU KNOW, A SHORT TERM RENTAL? YES, IT WOULD. IT WOULD BE. 
          NOBODY'S GOING TO NOBODY'S GOING TO CALL THE CITY AND SAY,
HEY, I WANT A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR MY TWO WEEKS FOR RENT. 
          THAT'S THE THING. IF YOU OUTLAW THEM COMPLETELY,
YOU'LL GET WHAT WE HAVE. YEP. 
          YOU'LL GET THEM UNLICENSED. UNREGULATED DOING HOW IT IS. 
          AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY I THINK IT HAS TO BE NUMBER ONE,
BECAUSE ANY OF THE OTHER OPTIONS, IF IT'S ALLOWED ONLY IN CERTAIN ZONES OR SOME OTHER KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ONLY SO MANY PER NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHATEVER,
ANY OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS YOU PUT ON, IT JUST MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT. YEAH. NOW YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE SOME YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYWAY, BUT I THINK YOU GET A GREATER COMPLIANCE, IF YOU MAKE IT EASIER TO COMPLY, AND IF WE MAKE IT EASIER TO COMPLY WITH THE CALL,
HE HAS SOMETHING TO GO BACK ON. 
          IF HE HAS NOTHING, HE HAS NOTHING TO GO ON. SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO AND THAT'S A GOOD
POINT. 
          BUT WE HAVE LIKE OVER 9000 UNITS THAT ARE ENTITLED THAT COULD BE BUILT. 
          THAT'S A BIGGER LIKE 500 OF THEM COULD BE BUILT TOMORROW IF THEY WANTED TO COME IN. 
          SO HOW ARE WE CURRENTLY FINDING THESE? ARE WE ACTIVELY LOOKING? WELL, SOMETIMES. SOMETIMES ONE VERBAL INPUT. SOMETIMES WE CERTAIN PEOPLE MIGHT GO ON VRBO
AND JUST PUT IN WEST JORDAN AND SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE. BUT CODE ENFORCEMENT IS NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT,
RIGHT? WELL, IT'S NOT THE SOLE. 
          IT'S NOT THE SOLE EVIDENCE THAT CAN BE USED ACCORDING TO STATE LAW. 
          RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A BILL PENDING HOUSE BILL 256 THAT'S PENDING RIGHT NOW,
MIGHT BE UPDATING SOME OF THESE PARTICULAR REGULATIONS FROM THE STATE LEVEL. 
          WE'RE WATCHING IT CLOSELY. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THIS OBVIOUSLY IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH
WHATEVER'S THERE. 
          BUT IT'S UPPING THE OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE AND AND MONITOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          THERE'S THERE'S ALSO SOME SOFTWARE THAT WILL HELP US DO SOME OF THAT AS WELL. 
          I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 180, 250. HOW MANY? 262. 
          62. 60 UNITS. IN THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN RIGHT NOW,
THAT ARE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT GO UP IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, LICENSABLE AND AND THINGS IT MIGHT. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, AND IF WE GET EVEN, YOU KNOW, THREE QUARTERS OF THOSE NUMBERS TO COME IN AND
LICENSE AND AGREE TO THE PROGRAM AND STUFF. 
          I THINK THAT'D BE A BIG SUCCESS AND IT WOULD HELP US ALONG THE WAY. 
          THIS IS A COROLLARY. 7% OF PETS ARE CURRENTLY LICENSED IN WEST JORDAN. 
          JUST SAYING. SO. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF DUCKS AND CHICKENS? GOATS? 85% OF ALL STATISTICS ARE ACCURATE, SO NO. 
          MIGHT I LEAN TOWARDS NUMBER ONE? BUT I THINK THE FUNDAMENTAL BUT I THINK THE FUNDAMENTAL
PHILOSOPHY HERE AND I THINK WHERE KENT WAS GOING, I'M GOING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT FOR EVERY SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT WE ALLOW,
IT PULLS A REGULAR HOUSE FOR A REGULAR PERSON TO BUY A HOUSE IN A HOUSING IN A HOUSING CRISIS, BECAUSE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL IS BASICALLY A HOTEL. 
          WELL, IDEALLY THAT'S TRUE, BUT I WOULD SAY IN PRACTICE IT'S NOT TRUE. 
          WHETHER YOU ALLOW IT OR NOT, PROPERTY OWNERS CAN DO THE PROPERTY PROBLEM,
WHICH IS WHICH IS PROBABLY TRUE UNLESS THERE'S BETTER ENFORCEMENT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT WHERE I WOULD GO WITH THIS IS DO NUMBER ONE WATCH WHAT OCCURS. AND THEN IF WE DO DO ANY SORT OF RESTRICTION,
IT'S A MACRO. 
          IT'S A MACRO RESTRICTION ON THE TOTAL NUMBER IN THE CITY. 
          THAT'S WHERE I WOULD THAT'S WHERE I WOULD GO IS THAT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SAY,
OH LOOK, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO ALLOW FOR IN THE SYCAMORES AND SIX AT AND OVER BY GARDNER MILL AND 1515 NEAR KATHLEEN'S HOUSE. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE TWO IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, SO. SO,
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE CITY WIDE WOULD BE BETTER. 
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BUT IF WE LOOK, I THINK THAT WHAT WE DO IS WE WE MONITOR THE NUMBER OF LICENSES. 
          BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT THE MORE THAT WE ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS,
THE MORE HOMES ARE PULLED OUT OF THE REGULAR HOUSING MARKET TO BE USED FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL, AND THEY SHOULD BE USED FOR. 
          AND MORE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES SHOULD BE USED FOR LONG TERM RESIDENT RENTALS,
AND OWNER OCCUPANCY WOULD BE WHERE I WOULD GO. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS,
IT MAY BE EASY FOR A CORPORATION TO BUY THAT HOUSE AND RENT IT OUT. 
          SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND AND SO THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT,
YOU KNOW, THAT WE LOOK AT THOSE KIND OF ISSUES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE DATA TODAY. 
          BUT WE CAN LOOK AT IT AS LICENSES COME IN AND WHO'S BEING LICENSED AND THOSE KIND OF
THINGS. 
          I THINK WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME, SOME INFORMATION TO SAY,
HOW IS SHORT TERM RENTALS AFFECTING, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE ABLE TO CORRELATE CALLS AND POLICE CALLS AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY THINGS I LIKE. I LIKE HAVING DATA TO BACK IT UP. 
          RIGHT. BECAUSE WE SIT HERE AND COME UP WITH POLICY BASED ON WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN OR WHAT
COULD HAPPEN, OR, GOSH, WE MAY NEVER HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT MIGHT WHAT COULD WE AND WE COME OUT OF THE STATE OF FEAR BASED
ON HYPOTHETICALS, AND WE TRY AND MITIGATE THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT EVER REALLY HAPPEN. 
          SURE. BUT IF WE CAN PUT SOME DATA BEHIND IT AND SAY,
LET'S JUST OPEN THE FLOODGATES AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED AND THEN TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEMS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO ANTICIPATE WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE. 
          AND MAYBE WE MISS THE MARK, AND WE'RE UNDULY RESTRICTING A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T
HAVE TO DO, AND WE DIDN'T RESTRICT LIKE WE SHOULD. WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS MAYBE WE COULD AMEND THE CODE IN THE FUTURE. YES. IT DOESN'T WORK OUT. 
          WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO AMEND. IF, IF. COME ON. WE HAVEN'T AMENDED THE SEMI TRUCK IN 21 AND
24 YEARS. 
          NO, WE CAN'T AMEND CODE. WHAT? WHAT I'M HEARING THEN IS CITYWIDE. 
          AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE 4 OR 4 CITYWIDE,
WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT BROCK WILL COME BACK WITH SOME DATA IN 2026 AT SOME POINT AND, AND DISCUSS WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE,
WHAT OUR ENFORCEMENT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, AND HOW THE PROGRAMS FUNCTION ARE THERE FOR FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. AND I THOUGHT, CLINT UNDER THE BUS THAT WAS SITTING THERE. 
          SO THROW CLINT UNDER THE BUS AND CORRELATE CODE ENFORCEMENT CALLS AND POLICE CALLS AND ALL
THOSE OTHER KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND WE'D PROBABLY BE ABLE TO GET A GOOD GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH
THOSE LICENSED AIRBNBS AND MAY BE ABLE TO EVEN PICK UP BASED ON THAT SAME HEAT MAP TYPE ANALYSIS,
PICK UP THE AIRBNBS, THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A PATTERN ON ALL THE OTHERS THAT, OH, THIS ONE'S A PATTERN. THEY'RE RUNNING THE BUSINESS TOO,
AND WE NEED TO GO TALK TO THEM. 
          WELL, MAYBE WE FIND OUT THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE IN CODE FOR EVERYBODY,
WHETHER IT'S A BUSINESS OR NOT, THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING UP TO THE END. 
          WE'RE PAST THE END. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW,
WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT JUST A PROPOSAL FOR SOME RESTRUCTURED FEES AS AS WELL. 
          IT'S BEEN MANY YEARS SINCE THE FEES HAVE EVEN BEEN ADDRESSED ON. 
          THESE WERE WELL BELOW THE MARKET AVERAGE COMPARED TO THE OTHER CITIES IN THE VALLEY. 
          WE'RE OBVIOUSLY WANTING TO GIVE A HUGE BREAK FOR THAT GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE
THAT EVERYTHING'S GOING WELL IN THAT ARENA. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? YEAH. 
          IS IT COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE TO CHARGE A HIGHER RATE TO A CORPORATE OWNER OWNED PROPERTY
VERSUS A VERSUS A MOM AND POP TYPE? YEAH, I WOULD SAY IT IS. 
          AND THE REASON WHY IS THIS IF IF I WERE IN PRIVATE PRACTICE AND IF YOU WERE MY CLIENT AND
YOU HAD A RENTAL PROPERTY. 
          I DIDN'T INSTRUCT YOU TO PUT IT IN AN LLC. AND AND THAT'S A CORPORATE,
RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S A THAT YOU'RE A MOM AND POP OPERATION,
BUT YOU'VE PUT IT IN AN LLC TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR ASSETS FROM LIABILITY THAT MAY OCCUR AT THE PROPERTY. MY PARENT'S HOUSE, THEY'RE IN THEIR 70S AND THEIR HOUSE IS IN AN
LLC. 
          YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE IT GETS HARD IS JUST COULD IT BE ADDRESSED,
LIKE WITH THE NUMBERS OF UNITS? I DON'T KNOW HOW EASY IT IS TO CREATE AN LLC. 
          THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. IT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY HARD. 
          IT WOULD PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE'D HAVE TO DIG INTO THE AFFAIRS OF MOM AND POP AND
INTO BUSINESSES, MORE THAN I THINK THE CITY SHOULD PROBABLY BE INVOLVED IN. 
          COUNCILMAN SHELDON, IF I I'M READING INTO YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT,
YOUR CONCERN IS THE LIKE THE AMERICAN HOMES FOR RENT TYPES WHERE THEY ARE 
          [02:05:09]
WHOLESALE BUYING UP NEIGHBORHOODS AND, YOU KNOW,
AND CHANGING THE DYNAMICS OF OUR OF OUR COMMUNITIES IN BIG WAYS, MORE THAN JUST THE PERSON THAT HAPPENS TO OWN A HOME AND RENT IT OUT,
FOR SURE. 
          WE'VE DEBATED THAT A LOT, BUT THAT IS VERY, VERY HARD TO TARGET A PROGRAM TO RESTRICT THEM
OR ELIMINATE THEM OR DISINCENTIVIZE THEM BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE OF THEIR OWNERSHIP,
OR BECAUSE THEY JUST RELY MORE ON MOB MOBS TO JUST GO. 
          I THINK IT COMES BACK TO THE SAME THING, RIGHT? YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE SOMEONE 375 UNLESS THEY COME IN AND BE PART OF
THE GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM, THEN WE'RE ONLY GOING TO CHARGE THEM 50. THAT WAY YOU'RE I WOULD SAY IT SHOULD BE 75. 
          I THINK THAT'S STILL A WHOPPING BILL. I WAS THINKING 100. 
          WHY? BECAUSE WHAT? WE NEED TO BRING IN FIVE BUCKS TOO. 
          BUT IT'S 20 OVER SEVERAL PROPERTIES. GIVES BROCK ANOTHER HALF TIME EMPLOYEE. 
          MAYBE, IF I MAY RESPOND TO THAT. WE WANT TO COLLECT ENOUGH IN GOOD LANDLORD FEES TO HAVE
THE RESOURCES TO HAVE AN EMPLOYEE TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. WE THOUGHT $50 PER DOOR MAY GET US THERE. 
          IF IT DOESN'T, YOU'RE RIGHT. $75 PER DOOR WOULD GET US THERE,
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH TO REALLY ADMINISTER THIS PROGRAM. 
          AS PATRICK AND BROCK HAVE KIND OF OUTLINED IT. 
          YOU NEED THE REVENUE FROM THE PROGRAM TO PAY FOR A PERSON TO RUN THE PROGRAM,
AND I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GO A LOT MORE THAN THAT. 
          I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THEM TELLING ME HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO COST. WE CAN BRING THAT BACK
TO THE NEXT SESSION. 
          BUT IN COMPLIANCE PERCENTAGE. CORRECT. THAT'S IT. 
          OH. THAT'S THAT'S THE END OF MY POWERPOINT. BUT I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE IF IF THERE'S
OTHER THINGS I HEARD. I HEARD THAT THERE'S PROBABLY FOUR THAT ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH LANDSCAPING NOT BEING
ABOVE WHAT WE WOULD REQUEST FOR THE REST OF THE CITY. IS THAT TRUE? WE'VE GOT FOUR FOR THAT. YEAH, I GOT THREE HEADS SHAKING,
THOUGH. 
          FOUR? OKAY. I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD MUCH ON THE OTHER. 
          I'VE GOT OBVIOUSLY CITY WIDE MONITORING THE NUMBERS. 
          I'VE GOT FOUR THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF THE NOTICE TO NEIGHBORS. 
          DO WE HAVE FOUR ON THAT? IS THAT A. I DON'T KNOW HOW CONTROVERSIAL THAT WAS,
BUT ARE YOU OKAY PROVIDING NOTICE TO NEIGHBORS ON SHORT TERM RENTALS WITH THE OWNER AND BROCK'S NUMBER, AS WELL AS THE CITATION TO THE CODE THAT REGULATES THOSE? I AM, YEAH, I GOT ONE, TWO AND THREE. NO ONE'S EVER TOLD ME THE ONES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD
ARE. 
          BUT I KNOW THEY ARE. WELL, WOULD YOU TELL THEM? HOW MUCH WORK DOES THAT CREATE? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THAT? I THINK IN I THINK IN MY MIND IT WAS, IT WAS MAKING SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE AWARE THAT
PEOPLE WILL BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A SHORT TERM BASIS. 
          YOU MAY NOT RECOGNIZE THEY MAY NOT RECOGNIZE THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER ISSUES. 
          AND IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS THAT THIS IS WHO YOU CAN CONTACT. 
          I THINK IT WAS MORE OF A COURTESY GOOD NEIGHBOR TYPE IDEA,
BUT. 
          YOU'VE GOT TO TREAT EVERY DAY LIKE. WERE THERE ANY OTHER PROVISIONS OR ANY OTHER
CONSIDERATIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAD THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO ADDRESS OR LOOK AT? I PROMISE I'LL BRING BACK A FORMAL RED LINE AT THE NEXT SESSION. 
          CAN WE JUST PUT THE NOTICE OF, LIKE HOW TO GET AHOLD OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          LAW ENFORCEMENT IS EVERYBODY'S UTILITY BILL OR SOMETHING. BECAUSE WHAT IF THE GUY NEXT TO
ME IS NOT A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND THEY'RE HAVING A PARTY? I KNOW IT NEVER HAPPENS WITH OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSES,
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, I'LL TALK TO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A DENNY'S OR WHO,
BUT I'LL SEE. 
          I'M SURE WE'VE GOT ROOM. WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S IT'S WE'RE CREATING A SOLUTION TO A
PROBLEM THAT APPLIES TO MORE THAN ONE UMBRELLA THAT WE'RE EVEN HERE POTENTIALLY, I THINK I THINK SHORT TERM RENTALS IN PARTICULAR ARE SOMETIMES A SENSITIVE
SUBJECT ACROSS THE VALLEY. 
          I THINK SANDY SANDY'S GOT YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'RE A SENSITIVE SUBJECT,
BUT THEY'RE SENSITIVE SUBJECT BECAUSE OF THE FEARS OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN, NOT FROM ACTUAL PROBLEMS OF WHAT RESIDENTS OF COTTONWOOD HEIGHTS MAY DISAGREE WITH YOU. 
          YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. I WOULD TELL YOU DIFFERENTLY AS WELL,
ACTUALLY ACTUALLY WE DO TO 
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OUR. WE'RE WE'RE CLOSE TO BUS STOPS THAT GO UP THE CANYONS. 
          IF YOU WANT TO CATCH A SKI BUS. THE BEST SPOT TO DO IT IS JUST ACROSS I-15 DOWN IN THE
FORT UNION AREA. 
          SO BY THE TIME THEY GET UP TO COTTONWOOD HEIGHTS,
THEY'RE USUALLY FULL. AM I GOOD TO BRING THIS BACK TO A WORK SESSION HERE ON NEAR FUTURE? YEP. BROCK AND I WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST LET US KNOW. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. SO WE'VE GOT
ABOUT 15 MINUTES. 
          AND THAT GIVES US TIME FOR PRIORITY ITEMS TO PRIORITIZE OUR PRIORITIES. 
          [d.
 Discussion of Council Retreat Priorities – Overview]
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO PICK AND CHOOSE ONE. 
          YOU GUYS JUST WANT TO HAVE ONE OF THEM GIVEN TO US BY LAUREN. 
          OR HOW DO I DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO. 
          WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DISCUSS DOING THESE IN A DIFFERENT MEETING. WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS HOW
AND WHICH ONES, AND THIS WAS MEANT TO BE MORE OF AN OVERVIEW TO THE PRIORITIES. 
          SO NOT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE YOU PICK A SPECIFIC TOPIC OR SUBTOPIC,
BUT THIS IS WHAT EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET INTO THE PRIORITIES RIGHT. 
          YEAH. SO THIS THIS THESE THIS LIST RIGHT HERE IS LOOSELY CATEGORIZED. 
          TAKING EVERYTHING THAT WAS PUT OUT ON THE WHITEBOARD AND PUT INTO GENERAL CATEGORIES. 
          HERE IS MY INTERPRETATION OF THE WHITEBOARD. OH,
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO FOCUS SO MUCH ON THAT. 
          BUT HERE ARE. SO YES, AS COUNCIL MEMBER I COULDN'T FOCUS ON THAT UNLESS I GO SIT UP THERE. 
          WELL, IT IS IN OUR PACKAGES. YEAH. YEAH IT'S IT'S IN BOTH PACKETS. 
          BUT BUT AGAIN, TODAY WAS MEANT TO BE JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY
PRESSING DIRECTION ON ANY OF THESE TOPICS THAT YOU REALLY WANTED TO DIVE INTO IN A FURTHER DISCUSSION. BECAUSE IT WAS JUST IT WAS ANTICIPATED THIS WOULD BE A MULTI-WEEK DISCUSSION. 
          SO WITH THAT, WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GO FROM THERE,
IF ANYWHERE, OR IT'S JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT, WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO DO TO GET THIS CONVERSATION STARTED. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL GOOD TOPICS THERE, SO. I MEAN,
YOU KNOW, START AT THE TOP. SEE, THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          YEAH, I SEE THAT OBVIOUSLY TOO. BUT MAYBE WE CAN START WITH CITY IDENTITY. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TIME TO REALLY TALK ABOUT IT. BUT,
YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD FROM ALL SEVEN OF US DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT WHAT OUR CITY IDENTITY IS, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE ONE. AND WHERE DO WE WANT THAT TO GO? AND IS CITY COUNCIL THE ONE THAT MAKES UP THE CITY IDENTITY? THEY HAVE INFLUENCE. YOU DO. BUT I MEAN, IS IT THE CITY COUNCIL? IS THE CITY COUNCIL IN CHARGE OF MAKING THE CITY IDENTITY,
OR IS THE CITIZENS IN CHARGE OF THAT? YEAH, KIND OF COMPARE IT TO LIKE A COMPANY CULTURE. 
          THERE'S A SAYING THERE'S A SAYING IN IN BUSINESS CONSULTING CIRCLES THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE
A IF YOU DON'T SET OUT A COMPANY CULTURE, YOU DON'T YOU'RE NOT INTENTIONAL ABOUT A COMPANY CULTURE AND YOUR COMPANY
CULTURE. 
          SO IF YOU'RE IF WE'RE NOT INTENTIONAL ABOUT A CITY IDENTITY,
THAT'S OUR CITY IDENTITY. 
          YOU GO ASK, GO ASK 30 PEOPLE. IT WASN'T YOU THAT WAS TALKING TO ANDERSON ABOUT WHAT OUR
CITY IDENTITY WAS. 
          AND SHE HAD AN ANSWER. IT WASN'T THE ONE WE WANTED TO HAVE,
BUT SHE HAD AN ANSWER. 
          I THINK IF WE GO TALK TO, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATORS FROM AROUND THE STATE THAT AREN'T KEN
IVORY, WAYNE HARPER AND CHERYL ACTON, THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT OUR CITY IDENTITY IS,
AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE ONE WE WANT, BUT WE'VE GOT ONE. SO I THINK IF WE IF WE DON'T FOCUS ON IT,
IF WE DON'T TRY TO INTENTIONALLY CREATE SOMETHING AS THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY, THEN WE'LL HAVE THE ONE THAT GETS ASSIGNED TO US,
LIKE IT OR NOT. 
          AND WE PROBABLY AND I SHOULD CLARIFY, THIS IS IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER,
RIGHT? I KNOW WE WERE JUST STARTING AT THE TOP, BUT NO,
IT WAS JUST SUMMARIZED AND THROWN UP THERE. 
          SO THAT CITY IDENTITY AND CITY COMMUNICATION ON TWO DIFFERENT LINES. 
          I SPECIFIED SO WE'LL SEPARATE THOSE THOSE TWO. 
          I THINK THE COMMUNICATION ELEMENT WAS WAS LARGELY. 
          WELL, TWOFOLD. IT WAS COMMUNICATION, BOTH FROM THE MAYOR'S DEPARTMENT TO CITY COUNCIL AND
COMMUNICATION TO RESIDENTS. 
          SO THAT WAS A BROAD TOPIC. SO THAT CAN BE BROKEN DOWN INTO,
INTO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          SO MY THOUGHT. THAT TIES INTO CITY IDENTITY. BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING INTO BUDGET YEAR QUICKER THAN WE WANT TO GET THERE. 
          ARE THERE ANY THINGS ON HERE LIKE PUBLIC FACILITIES,
AMENITIES, RODEO ARENA THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK WE CAN. 
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AFFORD TO SKIP ANOTHER YEAR. ASPHALT QUALITIES ON THEIR ASPHALT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY I'M TALKING ABOUT MAYBE EVEN SOME THINGS THAT THE RODEO ARENA
BLEACHERS THOSE KIND OF THINGS. I THINK WE NEED TO WE NEED TO AT LEAST GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND TALK ABOUT
SOME OF THOSE PRIORITIES, THAT BECAUSE I THINK OUR CITY IDENTITY IS TIED TO SOME OF THOSE
PARTICULAR THINGS, AND I. I DON'T WANT TO GO ANOTHER I DON'T WANT TO GO ANOTHER BUDGET SEASON WITH US
IGNORING. 
          A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS ON HERE THAT IS HIGHLY IMPACTFUL TO THE BUDGET IS THE UTILITY
TRANSFER IS ONE OF THE ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT IS LISTED. 
          AND THEN UPDATES TO THE RODEO STANDS THERE. ALSO THE ICE RINK,
POSSIBLE EXPO CENTER. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF SUBURB STREETS REPAVING. THERE ARE A LOT OF THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS
ON OUR LIST THAT ARE BUDGET RELATED. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I GOT TO BACK UP MY BRIAN. SO ASPHALT. 
          SO WITH THAT WE WANT TO TAKE SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT COMMUNICATION EVEN THOUGH IT'S WITH
IDENTITY HERE IS THAT IS THE SAME IMPORTANCE AS IDENTITY. 
          OR DO WE LOWER THAT AS A AS A PRIORITY, FOCUS MORE ON IDENTITY AND THEN PRESSING BUDGET
ITEMS. AND MAYBE WE FOCUS ON THOSE TWO WE GOT. GOTTA COMMUNICATE THE LOOK. 
          WELL, YOU CAN HAVE THE BEST VISION IN THE WORLD,
BUT IF YOU DON'T COMMUNICATE IT. 
          IT DOESN'T. DOESN'T MATTER. YOU KNOW. MARTIN LUTHER KING DIDN'T STAND ON THE. YOU KNOW, HE STOOD ON THE STEPS OF THE,
YOU KNOW, THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL AND GAVE A VISIONARY SPEECH TO TELL EVERYBODY WHERE THE VISION'S GOING. AND EVERYBODY SAW THAT. 
          IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T DO THE SAME TYPES OF THINGS TO COMMUNICATE THE VISION,
THEN THERE IS NO VISION BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T COMMUNICATED. 
          THERE'S A VISION. IT'S JUST LIKE, YEAH, WELL,
AND WITHOUT COMMUNICATING THE VISION WE WANT, THEY WILL MAKE THE VISION THAT THEY WANT 120,000 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF IT. 
          YEAH. SO I THINK CITY IDENTITY. THE COMMUNICATIONS IS RIGHT THERE WITH IT. 
          THERE DEFINITELY IS AN ELEMENT TO COMMUNICATING IDENTITY. 
          I DON'T KNOW ANYONE. YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF, YOU KNOW,
I BROUGHT UP THE CITY. 
          I DID IT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS STUCK WITH ME. AND I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH
COUNCILMEMBER JACOB THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN IDENTITY, YOU'LL YOU'LL GET ONE YOU DON'T LIKE. IS THERE THERE'S GOT TO BE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO GO IN FROM CITY TO CITY AND HELP THEM DEVELOP SOMETHING LIKE THIS,
OR PEOPLE WHO GO OUT THERE AND IT'S THEIR JOB AND THEY KNOW HOW TO BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GRASPING AT STRAWS. 
          I CAN COME UP WITH AN IDENTITY FOR MY BUSINESS OR MY MY THAT,
BUT ME TRYING TO HELP COME UP WITH SOMETHING FOR 120,000 PEOPLE TO GET BEHIND. 
          I HAVEN'T HAD TO DO THAT. WELL, I THINK FIRST YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VISION FOR THE CITY,
RIGHT? LIKE, YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT OUR VISION IS FOR THE CITY. 
          I THINK AN EXAMPLE OF A CITY THAT'S BEEN WORKING TOWARDS A DIFFERENT VISION IS WEST
VALLEY. 
          YEP. AND, AND AND THAT WAS A VERY LONG TERM. BUT A COUNCIL AT SOME POINT SAT DOWN AND CAME
UP WITH A VISION OF WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE. AND THEN THEY WORKED TOWARDS THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN MISSING
IN OUR CITY, IS WE DON'T REALLY HAVE WHAT DO WE WANT? WE KNOW WHAT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO SAY ABOUT OUR
CITY. 
          RIGHT. BUT WHAT DO WE WANT THEM TO SAY ABOUT OUR CITY? WE NEED TO COME UP WITH WHAT THAT IS WE WANT THEM TO SAY ABOUT OUR CITY. 
          BECAUSE I THINK EVEN JUST HIRING A COMPANY, IF WE DON'T,
IF WE DON'T HAVE A TONE TO SET, IT WON'T. 
          I THINK THEY COULD HELP US NARROW DOWN THAT TONE A LITTLE BIT OR HOW HOW BEST TO GET IT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I CAN I CAN PUT TO MYSELF THAT I WANT OUR CITY TO BE A LOT MORE FORWARD
THINKING THAN WE HAVE BEEN AND LOOKING TOWARDS BUILDING, AS, YOU KNOW, A PLACE THAT YOU ACTUALLY GO TO,
NOT GO FROM, WHICH IS WHAT WEST JORDAN IS. 
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WEST JORDAN IS WE LIVE HERE, BUT WE GO OTHER PLACES FOR EVERYTHING WE NEED AND THAT'S
BECOME WEST JORDAN. 
          SO I WONDER IF THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD ASK AT A SURVEY THAT COULD HELP US
WITH THIS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING. I THINK THERE ARE. 
          AND MAYBE THE ANALYTICS COMPANY COULD SUGGEST A FEW. 
          LIKE ON THE COMMUNICATION SIDE, I WOULD LIKE TO I MEAN,
IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING THAT WE AS CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE OUT AT PLACES AND WE'RE JUST ASKING PEOPLE,
YOU KNOW, ON LITTLE CAMERAS OR WHATEVER, WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE FOR THE CITY? WHAT IS THE VISION? AND WE PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE VIDEO THAT THEN GOES ON THE WEST JORDAN
SOCIAL MEDIA AND THAT WE WANT MORE RESPONSES LIKE THIS. 
          PUT YOUR RESPONSES TO THIS. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF MY LIPS. 
          NO NEW TAXES. YEAH WE'LL GET A LOT OF ALL OF THIS KIND OF STUFF. 
          BUT WE'LL ALSO START SEEING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING THE IDEA THAT WE NEED SOMETHING. 
          WHAT IS THAT GOING TO BE AND WHAT WHAT IS WHAT IS AN IDENTITY AND HOW DOES IT COME TO
THAT? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST ONE THING I'M THINKING OF WHERE WE CAN USE COMMUNICATION AND TRY TO DO
IT AND SHOW THAT WE'RE WE'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO SEE WHAT THIS IDENTITY IS GOING TO BE. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INTERESTING TO DO. 
          AND REALLY SHOWS WHERE THE COMMUNICATION SIDE OF IT COMES TO. 
          BUT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LONG, DIFFICULT THING,
BECAUSE I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY AT THIS TABLE, WE PROBABLY HAVE YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE, EIGHT,
EIGHT VISIONS OF THE CITY FOR EIGHT PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING AT THIS TABLE? IT'S FAIRLY LOCKED IN. HE'S NOT AT THE TABLE,
BUT. 
          YEAH, IT'S. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S 100% THE TRUTH. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I THINK MAYBE IT'S BEEN SO HARD THAT PEOPLE HAVE JUST KICKED THAT CAN DOWN
THE ROAD. 
          AND AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I SAID WHAT I DID AT THE IN THE LAST MEETING WE HAD. 
          WE CAN'T JUST KEEP SAYING THAT TAKES TIME. THAT TAKES TOO MUCH TIME. 
          AND IT TAKES HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES. IT HAS TO START AT SOME POINT. 
          AND IF YOU NEVER START AND IT DIDN'T TAKE ANY TIME. 
          SO WITH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAME UP WITH,
WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL FOR US TO SPEND SOME TIME IN A FUTURE MEETING PRIORITIZING WHAT WE DO WANT TO WORK ON? BECAUSE THE LIST IS VERY LONG. 
          IT'S IN OUR PACKET AND AND WE CAN SIT AROUND THIS TABLE AND TALK ABOUT ALL OF THEM. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO COME UP WITH GETTING IT RIGHT ON ALL OF
THEM, AND STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO HELP US. 
          SO MAYBE THE MAYBE THE NEXT TIME WE MEET WITH THIS TOPIC,
WHICH IS OUR NEXT WORK SESSION, IS THAT WE JUST GO THROUGH AND PRIORITIZE WHAT IS OUR PRIORITY GETTING THE RODEO GROUNDS
UPGRADED OR IS IT AN IDENTITY, OR IS IT MAYBE WE COULD COME TO A CONSENSUS OF 2 OR 3 ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT? HOW MUCH OF THAT SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER, HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD YOU PREFER HAPPEN IN THIS
MEETING, AND HOW MUCH WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH HAPPENING ON A SLIDE? WELL, AN OFFLINE SURVEY OF SORTS, LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY DONE WITH US SO THAT WE GET WE GET
THAT IMPACT, WE GET THAT RATINGS ARE VERY HELPFUL TO MAKE OUR TIME HERE MORE THAN HAPPY TO THEN HASH IT
OUT. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I MAYBE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THIS MEETING FOR THE NEXT
SEVEN OR SO MINUTES. 
          FIVE MINUTES MIGHT BE JUST TO LOOK AT THIS LIST AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY THAT CAN BE. 
          WE SAW. CITY IDENTITY COMMUNICATION PROBABLY OUGHT TO BE BROKEN OUT INTO TWO. 
          IS THERE ANY THAT CAN BE GROUPED OR SOME, SOME THINGS IN HERE THAT MIGHT FALL UNDER
SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE THE CIVIC EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS KIND OF GO TOWARD A CITY THEN THAT I AGREE. 
          OR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS THAT, YOU KNOW,
I MEAN, THERE'S SOME OF THESE THAT KIND OF MAYBE GO TOGETHER. 
          PUBLIC FACILITIES AND AMENITIES PROBABLY GOES WITH ESTHETICS,
RIGHT. 
          AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. JUST I'M JUST SHOOTING FROM THE HIP HERE. 
          BUT BUT THE PUBLIC FACILITIES, AMENITIES AND ESTHETICS. 
          MAYBE PART OF THE CITY IDENTITY. YEAH. I THINK IT'S ALL PART OF THE CITY IDENTITY. 
          I THINK I THINK MOST OF THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF CITY IDENTITY. 
          BUT BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IF WE WERE THERE WAS ONE THING THAT WE NEEDED TO WORK ON. 
          THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. I THINK THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS TO ARTICULATE WHAT WE WANT THE
CITY TO BE AND WHAT OUR I DON'T THINK WE ARE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE ARTICULATED THAT. AND. 
          AND THEN WHAT? SO IT GOES BACK TO A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AN HOUR AGO. 
          ARE WE DOING THIS FOR ESTHETICS? ARE WE DOING THIS FOR THE WEIGHT ON THE ROAD? WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS HAVE SOME VALUES, SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
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WHAT DOES THE WHAT DOES THE VISION NEED TO LOOK LIKE? AND THEN WHEN WE MAKE SOME OF THESE DECISIONS ABOUT EVENTS FUNDING EVERYTHING SAYS THE VISION DRIVES THIS. AND IF WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON POLICY,
HOW DOES THAT COINCIDE WITH OUR VISION? AND LET THE VISION HELP US DEFINE THAT AND PROVIDE THE BUMPERS AND THE BOUNDARIES. 
          SO I WOULD REALLY, IF I WERE TO SAY ANYTHING,
I'D LIKE TO GO WITH THE VISION FIRST AND BE BACK IN THE ARCHIVE OF DAVID PACKARD. 
          WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE NEED A COMMITTEE OF 1 OR 2. 
          I THINK THERE'S TWO PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS. TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS. STAFF LIAISON OR TWO
TO COME UP WITH A MISSION STATEMENT OR A VISION STATEMENT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, ADOPTED IT AND PUT IT IN THE FRONT OF THE GENERAL PLAN RIGHT AFTER THE LAST
GENERAL PLAN, TEN YEARS. YEAH, WELL, I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY PROBABLY 11 YEARS AGO, MAYBE 12. 
          BUT YEAH, IT WAS A WHILE BACK. SCOTT. YEAH. AND AND WE HASHED OUT A LOT OF WORDING AND WE
HAD A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND THEN 2 OR 3 TIMES AND KIND OF HASHED OUT TWO SENTENCE, THREE SENTENCE VISION STATEMENT. 
          AND REALLY IT WAS KIND OF LAME AND DIDN'T PROVIDE A LOT OF SPECIFICS,
I THINK, BUT I THINK THE PROCESS WAS ABOUT RIGHT. 
          WE PUT A LITTLE SUBCOMMITTEE TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A VISION STATEMENT THAT WE CAN THEN
ALL KIND OF TEAR APART AND RIP INTO IT. 
          AND THEN AFTER THEY'RE DONE, I'M SORRY. I SAID,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT HAVE HAVE A, HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE TO SAY,
HEY, LET'S MAKE IT. 
          SOMETHING WHAT DOES IT INCLUDE? YOU KNOW, I MEAN,
IT'S THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT THE GENERAL PLAN. IT'S THE GENERAL PLAN REDUX. 
          RIGHT? BOILED DOWN TO ITS ESSENCE. AND WHAT IS IT ACTUALLY STRIVING TOWARDS? HOW DO THE DETAILS INTO THE. OKAY WITH THAT? BECAUSE IT COMES DOWN TO THE BUSINESS WORLD. 
          IT'S THE WHY YOU DO WHAT YOU DO AS A BUSINESS IS ALWAYS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT YOU DO. 
          BUSINESS. YEAH. AND SO FIGURING THAT OUT FOR THE CITY,
WHY WEST JORDAN OR WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH AN IDENTITY IS CREATE A PRIDE WITH THE CITY, AND WITH THAT PRIDE THAT'S GOING TO STARTS TO TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THE THINGS WE'RE
HAVING PROBLEMS WITH. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE CITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO IF WE CAN DO THAT AND COME UP WITH THAT VISION,
I'M ALL FOR THAT. 
          MAYBE IT'S A VISION STATEMENT. MAYBE THE COUNCIL NEEDS A MISSION STATEMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR OVERARCHING GOALS, RIGHT? SAVE TAXPAYER MONEY, BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH GOVERNMENT. 
          IMPROVE THE OVERALL PERCEPTION OF THE CITY. WHATEVER YOU KNOW. 
          HOW ARE YOU DOING? I DON'T KNOW. ARE WE? WE DON'T WE DON'T. 
          WE PUT IT ON THE WALL IN HERE. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT NOW,
BUT WE'RE DOING THAT. 
          PUT IT ON THE WALL IN ALLEN'S OFFICE. RIGHT. HE'S RIGHT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE AN ARTICULATED, ARTICULATED VISION. 
          OH, HOLD ON. THAT VISION THAT HE JUST SAID. THAT'S WHAT ALL CITY COUNCILS DO. 
          THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST GENERIC. LIKE HE JUST THREW IT OUT THERE. NO,
I'M SAYING WE CAN COME UP WITH ANYTHING YOU SAID. 
          WE ALL DO. AND DONE IT FOR EIGHT YEARS. YOU DID IT FOR MORE. 
          AND I'M JUST SAYING, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VISION,
LET'S START TO GET A VISION. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. LET'S GET A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TO HAMMER SOMETHING OUT AND
BRING IT TO THE GROUP. WE SHOULD HAVE ONE. 
          ON IT. OH, WARREN, I'M OKAY IF YOU SEND OUT SOME KIND OF A SURVEY OR SOMETHING TO NARROW
DOWN RANKING PRIORITIES. 
          YEAH. AND WE CAN WE CAN DISCUSS THIS MORE IN LEADERSHIP,
BUT HEARING A LOT ABOUT ESTABLISHING A VISION, POTENTIALLY A MISSION FOR THE COUNCIL AND THEN OTHERWISE POTENTIALLY A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR
MISSION AND VISION. 
          AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE WHY AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE WHAT. YEP. 
          OKAY. CLEAR AS MUD. I CAN END IT EARLY. RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. WELL, WE WILL WE WILL NOW ADJOURN THE MEETING,
AND WE WILL RECONVENE AT 7:00 FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.