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THEY ARE NOT. OF COURSE YOU WOULD BE. AREA. ALL RIGHT. I CALL TO ORDER THIS COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING FOR MARCH 11TH, 2025. PRESENT WITH US IN THE ROOM ARE CURRENTLY COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER. WHITELOCK. COUNCIL MEMBER. GREEN. COUNCIL MEMBER. LAMB.
COUNCIL SHELTON. JUST WALKED IN AND. COUNCIL MEMBER. JACOB. COUNCIL MEMBER. MURDAUGH IS ON HIS WAY. HE'S PROBABLY IN HIS CAR AND HE'LL BE HERE SHORTLY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. A BIG ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE TODAY. SO THANKS FOR EVERYBODY FOR COMING AND SITTING AROUND AND WATCHING SUCH AN EXCITING EVENT. OKAY, SO TODAY. RIGHT. THE FIRST EXCITEMENT AND ENTERTAINMENT OF THE DAY WILL BE
[a. Discussion of recommended amendments to Title 3 – City Procurement. ]
A DISCUSSION TOPIC, A DISCUSSION OF RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS TO TITLE THREE CITY PROCUREMENT.AND WE WILL START WITH JOE BRYANT FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES. JOE. WELCOME. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, IN COLLABORATION WITH OUR DEPARTMENTS, WE ARE BRINGING OUR PROPOSED PROCUREMENT CODE REVISIONS BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR YOUR INPUT CONSIDERATION. WE BELIEVE THAT THESE PROPOSED CHANGES WILL PROVIDE OUR STAFF WITH IMPROVED BUYING POWER AND THE AGILITY TO MAKE QUICKER PURCHASING DECISIONS IN THE FACE OF EVER CHANGING MARKET CONDITIONS.
ADDITIONALLY, WE WILL IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY FOR. MANY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE IMPERATIVE DUE TO THE ADVERSE EFFECTS OF INFLATION AND SUPPLY CHAIN DISRUPTIONS AND RISING COSTS IN CONSTRUCTION, ALL OF WHICH HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY HAMPERED OUR ABILITY TO MAKE EFFICIENT PURCHASES UNDER OUR CURRENT CODE. ADDITIONALLY, IN REGARDS TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. IN UTAH. MURRAY, SALT LAKE, SOUTH JORDAN, AND WEST VALLEY CITIES WHO CAN PURCHASE THEIR GOODS AND SERVICES AT A HIGHER LIMITS IN CERTAIN. IT IS VITAL THAT WE STAY COMPETITIVE TO MAKE OUR PURCHASES IN AN EFFICIENT MANNER. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE END? YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER THE PROCUREMENT CHANGES. IF WE LOOK AT. SO YES, I WILL JUST GIVE YOU MY THOUGHT RIGHT UP FRONT, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THIS SUNDAY NIGHT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OTHER. CHANGES AND. THREE. I CAN SEE WE'VE DONE SOME, BUT WE'VE GOT TO WAY TOO MUCH WORDS IN HERE. THIS IS THIS HAS GOT TO BE SIMPLIFIED. AND I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS AT HOME. SO ON A DIFFERENT COMPUTER. SO I'LL LEAVE NOW. BUT THE CURRENT THE CURRENT CHAPTER ONE HAS GOT. WAY TOO MUCH WORDS WITHOUT BREAKING IT UP INTO SUBSECTIONS AND EVERYTHING. AND TOO MANY RUN ON SENTENCES. SO WE GOT TO CLEAN IT UP. THIS IS A GREAT START, BUT WE'VE GOT TO DELETE MORE WORDS AND CLEAN THIS UP. THIS THIS CODE HAS NOT BEEN MODIFIED SINCE WHAT I CAN TELL AT LEAST 2009. YOU ACTUALLY HAD A CHANGE IN. I MEAN, WE MADE SOME MINOR CHANGES WITH THE CHANGE OF CITY GOVERNMENT IN 2020, BUT REALLY THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES GO BACK TO BEFORE 2009, AND WE REALLY NEED TO THE OTHER THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS. WE NEED TO LOOK AT. IF ANY OF THIS ISN'T ANY IS ISN'T VALID. AND BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AS IF WE'RE GOING INTO THIS BRAND NEW. I REALLY DO THINK THAT HIS I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I WAS LOOKING AT THIS ON SUNDAY NIGHT AND I PROBABLY WOULDN'T I WAS DOING SOMETHING INDEPENDENT OF THIS. AND. YEAH, THIS IS THIS THIS IS WAY TOO WORDY. AND I WOULD SAY THAT I AGREE WITH KELVIN BECAUSE I FOUND THAT THERE WERE REDUNDANCIES THROUGHOUT LIKE MIGHT ALREADY BE SET UP ABOVE. SO I FEEL BAD. YEAH. WHY DO WE LIKE I THINK ONE OF THE GOALS OF THIS THAT WE'VE GOT ON THIS COUNCIL, I BELIEVE, IS TO MAKE OUR CODE MORE USER FRIENDLY, WHICH PARTLY TO US EQUATES TO. ACCOUNT FOR INFORMATION AND MAKING IT SO
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THAT YOU KNOW THAT ANYONE IN THE CITY, THIS ISN'T REALLY FOR RESIDENTS, FOR STAFF, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF ARE ALL AT LEVELS TOO. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHETHER THEY'RE A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR SEASONAL WORKER, THAT THEY CAN GO IN THERE AND UNDERSTAND IT. AND I KNOW IT HAS TO BE LEGALIZED BECAUSE THESE FINE GENTLEMEN ARE GOOD AT THAT. BUT I DO THINK KELVIN'S RIGHT. I THINK THERE'S SOME THAT COULD COME OUT. OVERALL, I'M FINE WITH IT. I WAS CURIOUS WHEN I THOUGHT TO HOW WE DECIDED THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ON THE ON THE GRAPH. LIKE SOMETIMES WE'RE THE SAME AS OTHER AREAS, SOMETIMES WE'RE WELL BELOW. SO THAT THAT WILL BE MY ONLY THING.BUT I DO CONCUR WITH KELVIN THAT WE COULD PERHAPS WORK WITH SOMEONE IN THAT TEAM. AND PATRICK'S PRETTY GOOD AT GETTING RID OF WORDS. SLICE. REDUNDANCIES. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOMETHING YOU NEVER WANT TO GET RID OF THEM. BUT I ALWAYS WORRY WHEN WE SAY, LET'S GET RID OF ALL THIS AND MAKE IT SMALLER AND MAKE IT LESS, BECAUSE THE MORE YOU HAVE IN THERE TO COVER THINGS I THINK IS BETTER. AND I TRUST OUR LEGAL TEAM WILL KEEP WORKING WITH THESE TO KEEP IN.
SO I AGREE IT'S REDUNDANCIES. LET'S LET'S GET RID OF THEM. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, LET'S NOT JUST GET RID OF HALF THE STUFF BECAUSE IT'S TOO WORDY. LET'S LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IT COVERS IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THE MORE WORDS YOU PUT IN, A LOT OF TIMES MORE VAGUE, IT BECOMES. THAT'S AND THAT'S OPINION. RIGHT. WELL, YEAH. BUT IF IT IF IT. WHY WHY MAKE THINGS MORE VAGUE WHEN WE SAY SO. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE THRESHOLD IS $50,000, THE THRESHOLD IS $50,000. NOT EXCEPT WHEN IT'S OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED. AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. THE THRESHOLD IS 50 K. AND BY THE WAY, THE THRESHOLD WAS 50 K AS OF JUNE OR AS OF JANUARY 2020.
AND SO WE NEED TO PUT A CLAUSE IN THERE THAT SAYS THE THRESHOLD AMOUNTS WERE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 2020. NOT RECITING THAT EVERY DAMN TIME WE DO THAT. AND LIKE I SAID, I THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF I MEAN, THERE WAS THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS WHERE IT REFERRED TO THE PUBLIC. PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR WHERE IT WAS PUBLIC. IT WAS ACTUALLY THE PUBLIC FACILITIES DIRECTOR BECAUSE IT WAS BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S IN THE OLD ONE. I'M LOOKING AT. THE I'M LOOKING AT THE SECTION I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. IT COMPLETELY STRIKES OUT THE, THE, THE PURCHASES FOR FURNITURE. SO IF THE FURNITURE IS THE FURNITURE TIED TO THE STREET THRESHOLD, OR IS IT A DIFFERENT THRESHOLD TO BUY FURNITURE? IT WOULD BE UNDER THE SAME THING. OKAY. SO THE OTHER THING THAT I NOTICED IN THE OLD VERSION AND I'LL JUST RAISE IT IS IN THE OLD VERSION. IF THERE WAS A PURCHASE FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND IT WAS MORE THAN $10,000, THIS BODY WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A REPORT FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. MY QUESTION IS, HAVE WE EVER HAD A PURCHASE OF $10,000 OR MORE FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS? BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE REPORT IN FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE. BUT WHEN THE CHANGE OF FORM OF GOVERNMENT CHANGED, THEN DIDN'T THAT. BUT THE ORDINANCE STILL REQUIRED THE COUNCIL TO GET A REPORT. DO YOU WANT ONE? WELL, THAT'S THE NEXT QUESTION IS DO WE WANT ONE OR DO WE CARE? BUT IT'S IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND READING THAT AND IT WAS A BIT CONFUSING A LITTLE BIT. BUT I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS LIKE FOR EXAMPLE ON THE SERVICE EXPANSION, ARE THERE RISKS TO EXPANDING THAT CATEGORY? I MEAN, IS THERE SHOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA TO JUSTIFY BYPASSING THE COMPETITIVE BIDS ON THAT? ON WHICH CATEGORY? THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES EXPANSION THAT WAS? WHAT WAS THAT ONE WAS? THREE, ONE, TWO OR EVEN THAT? MY NOTES DOESN'T SAY LET ME LOOK. I SHOULD HAVE I SHOULD HAVE WROTE DOWN WHICH ONE I WAS IN. GIVE YOU A LINE. I WAS WRITING IT, I WAS JUST I WAS READING IT.
THAT'S. OH, I THINK IT WAS THE RED LINE. OKAY.
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SWITCHED UP. THE SEARCH FUNCTION IS. I THINK YOU LOOK FOR THAT AND THEN THAT GETS YOU WANT TO SAY, OH, I'M JUST GOING BACK TO THE EXACT THOUGHT AT THE TIME AND IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROPOSALS, PROPOSED UPDATES, I LOOK AT WHAT'S DIFFERENT. AND. I ASSUME THAT IT WORKS OKAY, UNLESS I'M NOT WORKING OKAY. THERE'S A PROBLEM AND YOU FIX IT, BUT IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS EXCEPT FOR ME. CAN I COME BACK TO THIS? I'M NOT. I DON'T FEEL I'M JUST VOTING ON THE CHANGES. I'LL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT. SO I PREFER TO LOOK AT IT. THE WHOLE PACKAGE. SO. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT TAKING. BUT IF THE. SO LET'S SEE IF IT'S NOT IF IT'S NOT. SOMEONE CAN ISSUE THAT FELL OUT. I DON'T KNOW WHY I VOTED. WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING FOR IS TO TAKE STUFF OUT. YOU'RE SAYING TAKE THE STUFF OUT. BUT IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT OUT. OH THAT'S NOT. INCLUDED ON CHANGES TO THIS. BUT IF OUR JOB IS TO MAKE THINGS WHICH I BELIEVE IS TO MAKE THINGS MORE USER FRIENDLY, SO THAT STAFF UNDERSTAND THINGS BETTER SO THAT THE BIDDERS, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL PROCUREMENT, THE BIDDERS CAN UNDERSTAND THINGS BETTER AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND OUR PROCUREMENT CODE BETTER. AND WE'RE PRESENTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. WE SHOULD DO THAT.BUT IF WE LEAVE IT MURKY AND WE LEAVE IT LONG AND IN THE, IN THE ACCORDING TO WHO? WELL.
COUNCILMAN. BUT BUT I THINK WHEN THIS CODE WAS WRITTEN IN 2000, THINGS WERE DIFFERENT. AND, AND THE WORDING OF LEGISLATION WAS DIFFERENT. AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS ON HOW ORDINANCES AND LAWS SHOULD BE WRITTEN. WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO BRING OUR CODE CURRENT OR KEEP STUFF IN THERE WITHOUT REVIEWING THAT SAYS IT'S OKAY, I WOULD NOT. SOMEBODY WHO HAS TO DEAL, WHO GETS INTO THIS, WHO DEALS WITH IT AND COMES TO THE CITY FOR PROCUREMENT AND BIDS ON THINGS AND OUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT GO ON THAT WE DON'T HAVE INPUT IN OR OUR FINGERS IN, WHY WOULD IF THERE'S A PROBLEM IN THERE, WHY WOULD THAT NOT HAVE SURFACED? AND SOMEBODY SAYS, LIKE, JOE WOULD COME TO US AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE IS A PROBLEM HERE. MR. CONTRACTOR XYZ. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM IN HERE. THIS IS MURKY. THIS IS A PROBLEM. I'M GOING TO BRING THIS TO THE COUNCIL. OKAY. LET'S LET MY NEIGHBOR DID COMPLAIN TO ME ABOUT THIS CODE BECAUSE HE WANTED TO BID ON SOMETHING THAT. I JUST THINK THAT IF THAT WAS THE CASE, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM IT. FROM OUR. THE MORE THAN ONE PERSON OR MORE THAN ONE PERSON, THAT'S THAT'S ALL. I'M JUST TALKING A PHILOSOPHICAL POINT OF VIEW. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC CODE. I'M TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL. EVERY TIME WE HAVE A CODE AMENDMENT PROPOSED, WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. YEAH. FOR ME, IN ALL THESE NON CHANGES THAT WE SHOULD CHANGE FOR ME AND THERE'S NO CHANGING THING. I ALWAYS LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF LIKE YOU SAID THE PROCUREMENT PEOPLE, IF THEY UNDERSTAND THIS AND IT'S WORKING THEN THAT'S WHAT'S CALLED ON. OR IF IT'S SOME LEGAL CODE THAT THE ATTORNEYS HAVE TO DEFEND, THEY'VE LOOKED IT OVER AND THEY GO, THIS IS HOW WE CAN DEFEND IT. AND WE'RE TELLING THEM, NO, TAKE OUT THESE WORDS. THAT MAY NOT BE HOW THEY CAN DEFEND IT. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE PEOPLE WHO USE THIS MORE, THE PEOPLE I'M WORRIED ABOUT AFFECTING, NOT NOT US. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. YOU'RE ALSO NOT GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HAVING THE SHORTEST CODE. I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE SHORTEST. I'M JUST SAYING, AND I DON'T KNOW. THE POLICY AND GOOD THINGS TO SAY. I FEEL IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY WHEN YOU'RE PRESENTING A POLICY TO REVIEW IT. IT'S NOT JUST THE RED HARNESS. AND I FEEL LIKE THE MORE USER FRIENDLY WE CAN MAKE OUR CODE, THE BETTER IT IS. YES,
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IT NEEDS TO. IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH LEGAL AND THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND WHATEVER IT IS. I ALSO WANT IT TO BE USER FRIENDLY THAT SOME OF US ARE SAYING THAT WHAT IS USER FRIENDLY, IS IT OR USER FRIENDLY, OR MY USER FRIENDLY OR USER STANDARD? LEGISLATIVE DRAFTING MAKES IT USER FRIENDLY. THERE ARE BOOKS PUBLISHED ON HOW TO WRITE CODE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE USING. AND THOSE, THOSE, THOSE BOOKS HAVE TRANSITIONED OVER THE LAST 15 OR 20 YEARS TO THE WAY WE WRITE CODE, AND WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO BE USING THE MOST CURRENT WAY TO WRITE IT, BUT I SO I'M GOING TO TAKE YOUR EXAMPLE, AND I'M GOING TO USE ONE IN SPECIFIC AGAINST ONLINE. IT'S LINE 683 IN THE RED LINE VERSION. AND IT SAYS AND I QUOTE AND THIS IS VERY CLEAR, A DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT USES AN INFORMAL SURVEY FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT EXCEEDS OR IS LIKELY TO EXCEED $10,000 SHALL GIVE A WRITTEN DISCLOSURE TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 14 DAYS FROM THE MAYOR'S FINAL APPROVAL OF THE AWARD. THAT'S CLEAR AS THIS COUNCIL SEEN ANYTHING ON A WRITTEN A WRITTEN DISCLOSURE ON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT ARE MORE THAN $10,000. IF THAT'S A CODE THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN FOLLOWED, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE CODE IS WRONG. WELL, IT'S NOT BEING FOLLOWED THEN. IT'S A PRACTICE THAT THAT WE SAY, WELL, THE PRACTICE IS GOOD. NO, THE PRACTICE ISN'T GOOD BECAUSE IT VIOLATES THE CODE. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT CODES FROM A PERSPECTIVE TO SAY, IS THIS THE WAY WE WANT TO DO IT, EVEN IN THE OLD STUFF? BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE WAY WE DO IT. AND THAT'S THE WAY WE DO IT, THEN WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT FOLLOWING IT. SO YOU CAN HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE BOTH. I JUST TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION AND JOE, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, BUT THIS IS ONLY IF IT'S THE INFORMAL SURVEY METHOD BEING USED FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. IT'S NOT A COMMONLY USED PROCUREMENT METHOD, AND SO I'D BE SURPRISED IF THERE ARE MANY SITUATIONS WHERE THIS HAS COME UP AND JOE WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN ME. BUT I TYPICALLY IF WE'RE GOING FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND THERE IS ANY EXPECTATION THAT IT'S GOING TO EXCEED THIS AMOUNT, THEN WE WILL GO THROUGH A DIFFERENT METHOD OF PROCUREMENT. AND THE INFORMAL METHOD IS REALLY ONLY A VERY NARROW SET OF TIMES WHEN THAT'S BEING USED. SO JOE, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT.RIGHT. AND I THINK WE'VE HAD FOUR INFORMAL REVIEW PROCESSES, MAYBE FIVE. AND THE ADVISORY WAS OVER TEN. AND THAT CAN BE DONE VIA EMAIL TO THE COUNCIL AT CITY. DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE OLD FORM OF GOVERNMENT & VERSUS THE NEW FORM OF GOVERNMENT? THE INFORMAL SURVEY PROCESS WAS ADDED. SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, SO I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP, IF IN THE COURSE OF 4 OR 5 YEARS SINCE WE ADOPTED THIS IN 2020, WE'VE ONLY USED THIS INFORMAL SURVEY PROCESS A FEW TIMES. AND WHAT'S THE UTILITY OF IT? IT'S A VERY SPECIALIZED PROCUREMENT. THERE ARE TIMES WHERE IT'S UNIQUE TO WHATEVER WE'RE TRYING TO BUY SERVICE WISE, AND THERE'S VERY LIMITED VENDORS. THERE MAY ONLY BE ONE, BUT WOULDN'T THAT JUST FALL UNDER A TYPICAL SOLE SOURCE PROCUREMENT POLICY? WELL, A SOURCE IT COULD, IF INDEED THERE'S ONLY ONE. BUT WE NEED TO SURVEY AND SAY, HEY VENDOR, CAN YOU DO THIS? CAN YOU DO IT IN THE TIME FRAME? MAYBE THERE'S TWO VENDORS AND ONE CAN DO IT NEXT MONTH. THE OTHER ONE CAN DO IT FOR A YEAR. THAT'S WHERE THIS PROCESS IS REALLY BENEFICIAL, BUT NOT THE EXPERIENCE. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE GUIDELINE THREE 111 ON TYPES OF ARE THE CURRENT TIEBREAKING CRITERIA ARE SUFFICIENT, AND WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL METRICS SUCH AS VENDOR EXPERIENCE, CUSTOMER SERVICE HISTORY, OR EVEN DIVERSITY INCLUSION FACTORS? PROTOTYPE. YEAH, I'VE HAD THREE MY WHOLE CAREER. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS THAT. YEAH. VERY MINIMAL, BUT WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT. AND SO I WANTED, YOU KNOW, OLD PRACTICE WOULD DRAW STRAWS, FLIP A COIN. THAT'S PRETTY. SO I
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WANTED TO GIVE SOME WEIGHT AS TO HOW WE BREAK THAT TYPEKIT. AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A VENDOR IN WESTWOOD PLACE, AND THEN ON THE VERY RARE CHANCE THAT WE HAD TWO MEMBERS. WAS TOO HIGH. AND HOW DO WE BREAK THAT TIE? AND THAT WOULD BE THE CLOSEST LOCATION TO FOLLOW. BUT OKAY, SO NOW I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION. YOU HAD A TIE BETWEEN TWO BIDDERS, AND WE PICKED THE ONE THAT'S GOT CLOSEST LOCATION TO CITY HALL IS THEY ARE THEY THE MOST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSEST TO US? WE WERE ALREADY SENT THAT OUT FOR OUR CRITERIA. SO WHETHER IT'S LOW BID OR RFP, WE'VE ALREADY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WOULD BE.BUT IT DOESN'T THAT I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT PRODUCED BY THE WAY, JUST TO SAY, WELL, IT'S THE CLOSEST THE CITY HALL GETS TO BID. IF THERE'S A TIE, A TIE WHEN THERE'S TWO BIDDERS RIGHT WITHIN WEST, YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE BOTH OUTSIDE OF WEST JORDAN. IT'S TWO. IT'S A TIE BID OUTSIDE OF WESTWOOD. WELL THEN WE'D LOOK AT THE PROVISION THE CLOSEST TO CITY HALL. IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DETERMINE RESPONSIBLE OR PREFERRED BIDDER THAN JUST SAYING CLOSER TO CITY HALL. BUT THAT'S ME. OH, BUT THEY'VE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT THEY'RE EQUAL. YEAH, THEY'RE EQUAL IN EVERY OTHER ASPECT. THEY'RE BUSY. WELL, THEY'RE QUALITIES ARE EQUAL ON THE BID. DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF POSTING THE BID, OR. I MEAN, JUST SAY TO ME SAYING THAT, WELL, I'M GOING TO AWARD THE BID TO A BECAUSE THEY'RE AT 78 SOUTH AND SEVENTH WEST OVER A BIDDER, B BECAUSE THEY'RE AT 123RD AND THIRD WEST. THAT SEEMS PRETTY ARBITRARY TO ME. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. BUT I SAID AT ONE POINT IT WAS GOING FLIP.
YEAH. SO THAT'S A THAT IS. SO YEAH. THIS GIVES YOU AT LEAST I'M NOT SURE IT'S MUCH BETTER.
BUT IF YOU LIKE CHOOSING A WEST JORDAN RESIDENT. YEAH. WELL, IF THERE'S A CASE OF A TIE, THERE'S ONLY BEEN THREE IN A WHOLE. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S SO RARE, YOU KNOW, IF THE COMPANY HAS MORE, IF THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. I STILL THINK THAT'S BECAUSE MANY OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE GETTING IT TO US AS OPPOSED TO US. AND IF THEY'RE IF ALL THINGS ARE EQUAL EXCEPT FOR.
ONE. AND THAT IS A NEW PIECE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS. SO I'M HEARING, NUMBER ONE, LET'S GET RID OF REDUNDANCIES. I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE ON THAT. NUMBER TWO, I'M HEARING LET'S SIMPLIFY IT SOMEHOW, BUT NOT SIMPLIFY THE WHOLE THING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SHOW HER YOU WANT SIMPLIFIED, BUT I DON'T THINK I THINK THE MAJORITY ARE SAYING WE'LL KEEP GOING.
BLOW UP THE WHOLE THING. I'LL JUST I'LL JUST SEND THE STUFF THAT I HAVE THAT I SCREWED AROUND WITH ON SUNDAY NIGHT. BUT WHO'S THE ATTORNEY THAT'S WORKING ON THIS WITH YOU? I'LL SEND IT TO YOU. JAKE. I'VE GOT A DOCUMENT ON MY COMPUTER. I'LL JUST SEND IT TO YOU. I GOT TO GO TO GRANTS, COUNSEL. GET RID OF THE REDUNDANCIES. KEVIN WILL SEND WHAT HE NEEDS AND THEN SIMPLIFY MORE WHEN WE CAN. YEAH. THAT'S GOOD COUNSEL. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. BRYANT NEEDS TO DISCUSS WITH YOU, SOME OF THE CHANGING IN THE THRESHOLDS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO NEXT? CHAIR. IT'S THE ATTACHMENT C IT'S THE CHANGES. THAT COLORFUL GRAPHIC.
YEAH. THE COLORFUL GRAPH. AND I APPRECIATED THE COLOR. YEAH. SO DID YOU WANT TO REVIEW ANY OF THOSE BEFORE YOU ADVANCE. YES. I JUST LIKE TO KNOW HOW HE CAME UP WITH THIS COLOR I. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I GUESS I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO REALLY JUDGE WHAT ANY EVIDENCE IS, BUT WHY YOU CHOSE THOSE? BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE RATIONALE FOR WHERE WE LANDED. SOME OF THEM WERE REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT WE WERE, AND OTHERS LIKE THE VERY FIRST ONE. WE'RE AT 22 AND WE'RE GOING UP TO FIVE, WHICH IS WHAT THE STATE IS. BUT YET YOU LOOK AT MURRAY AND THEY'RE AT TEN. SO I JUST HOW DID WE COME UP WITH OUR NUMBERS. SO THE WAY TO INTERPRET THOSE IS TO LOOK AT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. MURRAY'S KIND OF THE OUTLIER IN THAT. AND JUST EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, BELOW
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5000. SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE BUY REALLY HARD TO BUY ANYTHING UNDER 5000. AND IF YOU DO YOU'VE GOT TO BUY. IT. BUT BEYOND THAT POINT THERE'S PROBABLY COMPETITION. THERE'S WAYS TO SAVE TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND GET QUOTES BETWEEN YOUR 5000 AND YOUR 50,000. RIGHT. WE ALSO CHANGED IN OUR OWN OR THE. CURRENT CODE. PROPOSAL. WE REQUIRE TWO POINTS. NOW WE'RE BRINGING THAT TO THREE KIND OF SPLITS MORE COMPETITION, TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THAT VALUE AND KNOWING THAT IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW, THAT $2,200 IS JUST TOO LOW. SO WE'RE ADJUSTING THAT TO MAKE THIS MORE FLEXIBLE AND IT'S EASIER TO PURCHASE A SMALL DOLLAR ITEM. SO GENERALLY I'M OKAY WITH THE NUMBER. MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHEN THIS ORDINANCE WAS PASSED IN 2020 FOR THE CHANGE IN THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY IN THIS CODE THAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD INCREASE BY EITHER 3% OR THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, WHICH WAS WHICHEVER IS LOWEST. RIGHT. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THAT IF WE TOOK THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE OLD CODE RIGHT NOW AND MULTIPLIED IT BY BECAUSE SINCE 2020, THE CPI HASN'T BEEN LOWER THAN 3%, AT LEAST THAT'S A PRETTY CLOSE ASSUMPTION, RIGHT? SO THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE FOUR YEARS, 1,212%, HOW DID THAT AFFECT THIS AND HOW DO WE FIX THAT GOING FORWARD? IF WE HAD THAT? I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF WE HAD THAT FLOATING NUMBER AND THE NUMBER IS SUPPOSED TO ADJUST FOR INFLATION, BUT NOW WE'RE SAYING, WELL, THOSE NUMBERS WEREN'T ANY GOOD, WE NEED TO READJUST THE NUMBERS. THEN WHY DO WE HAVE THAT AUTOMATIC ADJUSTMENT IN THE CODE. DO WE NEED IT? OBVIOUSLY THE STATE PROCUREMENT CODE DOES. OR THEY HAVE A YOU'VE GOT AN ESTIMATE BASED ON 1130 101. AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED UP THAT ONE. I TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM TITLE 11 BECAUSE PROCUREMENT IS NOT MY, MY. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK ARE FOR AT WORK IS TO DO THE PROCUREMENT FOR ME. BUT SO THE QUESTION IS I'M OKAY WITH ADJUSTING THE NUMBERS. BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THIS ORDINANCE IS SET THIS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS EXERCISE AGAIN. IS THAT AND ARE THESE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE SET TODAY IN RED THAT WE HAVE IN THE RED COLUMN? ARE THOSE GOOD ENOUGH THAT IF WE TAKE THAT PLUS 3% EFFECTIVE, THE DATE THAT THIS ORDINANCE STARTS, IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH TO HANDLE IT IN THE FUTURE? OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS AND SAY, NUMBERS DON'T WORK, WE NEED TO REDO IT AGAIN. AND SO IF SO, THEN DO WE NEED THAT 3% ADJUSTMENT THAT YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? SHOULD THE CPI INCREASES BE AUTOMATIC OR SHOULD WE DO COUNCIL APPROVAL EACH YEAR. WELL, THE ORDINANCE SAYS IT'S AUTOMATIC 3%. IT SAYS CPI OR 3% EVERY YEAR. SO THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE USING TODAY IS NOT ACTUALLY THE NUMBER THAT'S IN THE CODE. BECAUSE IF THE NUMBER SAID 10,000, LIKE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, IT SHOULD BE CLOSER TO 11 OR 12,000 BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER, RIGHT, BECAUSE OF THE CPI. SO THAT'S MY QUESTION IS IF THERE'S THIS AUTOMATIC ADJUSTMENT, WHICH I DIDN'T LOOK TO SEE IF YOUR CHANGES CHANGE THAT. BUT IF THERE'S AN AUTOMATIC ADJUSTMENT, ARE THE BASELINE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO REDO. THE ONES IN RED ARE THOSE BASELINE NUMBERS GOOD ENOUGH THAT THAT WILL TAKE US FORWARD, LET'S SAY A DECADE? OR IF WE HAVE TO REDO THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS, WHY NOT JUST SAY THIS? THIS NUMBER IS GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEN WE REDO IT. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. I DO, AND WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT. AND OUR PROPOSAL FOR THAT IS TO POST IN OUR ANNUAL BUDGET WHAT THAT 3% INCREASE IS NOW FOR THIS YEAR. AND THAT ACTUALLY IS MORE[00:30:02]
TRANSPARENT FOR OUR VENDORS TOO, BECAUSE THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IF YOU GO TRY TO FIND IT IN THE STATE OR SOME OF THESE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT VALUE IS.SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS AND FIX. AND I REALLY LIKE THIS CHART. AND SO THIS KIND OF CHART SHOULD BE POSTED ON THE WEB, OUR WEB PAGE TOO, AS A STANDALONE DOCUMENT THAT SAYS THIS IS THE 2000. THE LEFT COLUMN IS 2025 VALUE AND THE 3% FOR THE NEXT YEAR, MAYBE EVEN ADOPTED IN THE BUDGET WAS THIS. AND MAYBE SO YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING. DO YOU WANT THE CHART WITH ALL THE PROCEEDINGS ON IT? NO. OKAY. JUST START. BUT YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING TO ME THAT THAT PAMELA MENTIONED. THAT MAY BE THE BETTER WAY TO DO IT IS INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT 3%.
AUTOMATIC OR TYPEKIT CPI, WHY NOT JUST PUT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THE LIMITS WILL BE CHANGED EVERY YEAR? IT'LL BE INCLUDED IN AN APPROVED WITH THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE, OR APPROVED OR APPROVED WITH THE ANNUAL BUDGET AND POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. AND THEN WHAT THAT GIVES YOU IS THE FLEXIBILITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, INFLATION WAS HORRIBLE. LAST YEAR IT WAS 22%. AND OUR CURRENT CODE SAYS CPI OR LOWER. WELL, IF 22% WAS, I'M JUST MAKING THAT UP. BUT IF THE 22% WERE HIGHER THAN 3%, THAT MAY NOT WORK FOR YOU GUYS IN BIDDING BECAUSE THE PRICES WENT UP. RIGHT? AND SO WHY NOT JUST LET'S. SO WOULD THAT BE AN ACCEPTABLE THING TO THE COUNCIL TO SAY INSTEAD OF. INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THE STATES, INSTEAD OF USING THE 3%, WE JUST ADJUST THE BEAT THE FEES WITH THE CHART LIKE THIS ADOPTED IN THE BUDGET. AND THEN YOU GUYS COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS AND TELL US WHAT IT'LL BE, AND THEN WE ADOPT IT. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A SIMPLE DOCUMENT AND YOU JUST UPDATE THE DOCUMENT EVERY YEAR. RIGHT. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE THAT, THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THE. OVERSIGHT OR JUST THE NUMBERS. ONCE EVERYTHING'S SORRY MY BRAIN WAS NOT FUNCTIONING. I'M JUST TRYING TO LIKE ARE WE FINDING SOLUTIONS FOR PROBLEMS WE DON'T HAVE, OR ARE WE HAVING PROBLEMS THAT WE NEED TO FIND SOLUTIONS? WELL, IF WE'RE IN OUR CURRENT CODE, IF A VENDOR GOES AND LOOKS, YEAH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT GREENS POINT AT THAT NUMBER I 2020 NOT THE ACTUAL NUMBER IT IS NOW OKAY. WHICH IN 2020 THE NO $4.2 THOUSAND. NOW IT'S POINT.
WELL. AND TO YOUR POINT IT'S NOT JUST THE VENDOR. IT'S STAFF. RIGHT. IT YOU KNOW IF THE NUMBER IS 2200 AND I'M A DEPARTMENT HEAD AND IT'S LIKE, WELL WHAT WHAT IS IT THIS YEAR? AND THEN I GOT TO CALL YOU AND WE WASTE THE TIME THAT IF WE JUST ADOPT THIS EVERY YEAR AS PART OF THE BUDGET AND IT'S A, IT'S A DOCUMENT ON THE WEBSITE, THEN STAFF OR PUBLIC CAN ALL GO AND KNOW. AND THAT MAKES IT MORE TRANSPARENT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS JUST A DOCUMENT WITH THE PROCUREMENT. WHAT LIMITS. THAT THAT THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE 2025 THAT WE APPROVED TODAY. AND THEN YOU JUST HAVE 2026, 2027 AND GOES OUT. AND THEN AS YOU GET OUT FAR ENOUGH, YOU DROP A COUPLE OF THE COLUMNS NEXT TO THE 2025. AND EVERYBODY KNOWS MOVING OUT WHAT WE DID. BUT QUARTERLY REPORTS ON HIGH VALUE INFORMAL PURCHASES ALSO POTENTIALLY HELP. OR WOULD THAT JUST CREATE MORE WORK AND HEADACHES? I BELIEVE IT'S OKAY. LET'S. SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE RED LINE VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, BECAUSE THAT IS A ONE OF THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT IS TAKING ALL OF THE NUMBERS OUT OF CODE AND DOCUMENTING THEM IN THE BUDGET, BUT THERE STILL REMAINS IN THE CODE THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THE COMPETITIVE SOLICITATION THRESHOLD SHALL INCREASE BY 3%, OR THE ACTUAL POSITIVE NET PERCENTAGE CHANGE IN CPI, WHICHEVER IS LESS IN THE ADOPTED BUDGET OR AS DOCUMENTED IN THE ADOPTED BUDGET. IF YOU'RE SAYING LIKE WE LIKE PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET, I THINK IT'S MORE TRANSPARENT. ALL THE NUMBERS ARE IN ONE PLACE. I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN CITY CODE HAS DOLLAR AMOUNTS, BECAUSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS CHANGE OVER STILL HAS DOLLAR AMOUNTS. TO THINK ABOUT IT, I KNOW. YEAH, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. I MEAN, THIS IS THE PROCESS, BUT ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT TO STRIP OUT THE CPI LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE CODE AND
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JUST ADOPT NEW NUMBERS ANNUALLY OR LEAVE THE MINIMUM? RIGHT NOW WE SAY 3% OR CPI, WHICHEVER IS LESS. LEAVE THAT IN THE CODE OR GIVE YOURSELF THE FLEXIBILITY TO TWEAK IT ANNUALLY IN THE BUDGET.THAT'S. I THAT POINT OF CLARIFICATION. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I WOULD RATHER TAKE OUT THE CPI AND THE 3% AND JUST SAY WE DETERMINE THAT ANNUALLY. YOU GUYS FIGURE OUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND THEN WE APPROVE IT, BECAUSE THE 3%, IF WE SAY THAT IT'S THE 3% OR 5% AS WE ADOPT 3% OR CPI, THAT HANDCUFFS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BOUND TO A 3% OR 3% OR LESS, 3% OR LESS, AND THEN IT'S 3% OR LESS. BUT IF TRUE, INFLATION IS 9% OR 10% LIKE WE HAVE HAD, THAT COULD REALLY HURT YOU GUYS. PROBABLY HAS BASED ON THESE NUMBERS. IT'S GREG SHAKING HIS HEAD. YES, BECAUSE HE CAN'T GET CONCRETE PIPE. YOU KNOW. SO. AND I SEE BECKY'S SHAKING HER HEAD. I'D RATHER LEAVE THIS MORE FLEXIBLE SO THAT WE CAN DO THE COMMON SENSE APPROACH AS OPPOSED TO HANDCUFFING OURSELVES WITH A NUMBER THAT THEN WE SAY, WELL, WE DON'T LIKE IT. AND WHAT I WOULD WHAT I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION. WE OUGHT TO DELETE EVERY NUMBER OUT OF EVERY ONE OF THESE SECTIONS. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT 683, IT'S GOT THE $25,000. LET'S DELETE THE LINE IN EVERY SECTION AND UPFRONT, SAY THE THRESHOLDS OF EACH SECTION ARE DEFINED IN THE DOCUMENT ADOPTED THE BUDGET LIKE WE LIKE WE REFER TO THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE. WE DON'T PUT THE FEES IN THE CODE EVERY TIME WE ADOPT IT. SO LET'S JUST PUT SOMETHING UP FRONT THAT SAYS THE THRESHOLDS ARE WHAT'S ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL ANNUALLY AND UPDATED, AND DELETE ALL THE NUMBERS OUT OF THIS CODE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CONFUSING ANYBODY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THERE. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THAT DOCUMENT THAT WE APPROVED. I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT. AS LONG AS IN THE CODE IT SAYS IT WILL BE REVIEWED. YEAH. I NEED TO GET BEHIND. YEP. YEAH. BECAUSE THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO. OH WE FORGOT TO LOOK AT THAT. AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT PARTY.
YEAH I KNOW I AGREE I THINK IT SHOULD BE STACKED WITH MYSELF AND PAMELA. SHE IS NOT THERE TO.
REFER TO CHART. BUT SAY THAT YOU WILL REVIEW THE CHART FOR ME LIKE PART OF THE BUDGET. AND WE ADOPTED JUST LIKE WE DO THE CONSOLIDATED PIECE TO GET EVERYTHING ELSE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, CORBETT, EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT SEPARATE AND WE HAVE TO PASS THE RESOLUTION, THE RESOLUTION DRIVES ME NUTS THAT WE HAVE TO PASS A RESOLUTION ON THE CONSOLIDATED FEES, BUT WE HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE FOR THE BUDGET. NEVER MIND. WE'LL BLAME OUR FRIENDS ON THE HILL. BUT EVEN IF WE WANTED TO JUST SAY THAT'S PASSED AS A SEPARATE DOCUMENT AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, AND WE THROW THAT SEPARATE ITEM ON AS LIKE WE DO THE CONSOLIDATED FEE AND BUDGET. I'M GOOD WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE MUCH TIME.
YEAH. JODY, YOU NEED TO INFORM. I'M SORRY. DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD? I DO, YES.
THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR MORE TOPICS FOR THE COUNCIL? I MEAN, I THINK WE'LL STICK WITH WE GENERALLY TAKE THE FIRST TWO MINUTES OF YOUR PRESENTATION AND THEN GO LIKE THIS AND THEN GO BACK AND TAKE WHAT YOU NEED. SO IF THERE'S NO DOUBT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO PLEASE, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OTHER THINGS REAL QUICK THAT ARE SUBSTANTIAL THERE. OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE OKAY WITH THESE NUMBERS. THAT'S THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IS THE NUMBERS. WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE OKAY, THEY'RE THEY'RE THE NUMBERS YOU PRESENTED TO US. SO YEAH I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER CHOICE. NONE OF US ARE REALLY. PROCUREMENT. YEAH, I'M NOT WORRIED. WE NEED TO DO ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT WITH THE NUMBERS. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUIRING TO GO FOR TWO BIDS TO THREE BIDS IF WE'RE RAISING THOSE LIMITS. I WAS NOT COMFORTABLE GOING ALL THE WAY TO 10,000, WHERE MURRAY IS. BUT THE DEPARTMENTS WILL TELL YOU TYLER'S HERE, GREG'S HERE. THEY'LL TELL YOU THEY'RE SOMETIMES THERE ON JOBS, AND THEY'RE REALLY HAMSTRUNG BY OUR CURRENT PURCHASING. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM OVERSIGHT. AND STILL MAKING YOUR JOBS BETTER FOR YOU. SEE, THE FIRST THING I DID WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS CHART IS I COMPARED IT TO THE STATE PROCUREMENT CODE. IF WE'RE EQUAL OR LESS THAN THE STATE PROCUREMENT CODE, I'M OKAY WITH THOSE NUMBERS. WHERE I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE IS LIKE, I'LL PICK ON OUR FRIENDS IN MURRAY. I WOULD BE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMAL QUOTES REQUIRED. GOING TO THE 10 TO 75, KNOWING STATE PROCUREMENT CODE ONLY
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LASTS 5 TO 6. I'D BE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT NUMBER, BUT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE PROCUREMENT CODE. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. AND SO AS LONG AS OUR NUMBERS, FROM MY PERSONAL OPINION, AS LONG AS AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE AND IN A COUPLE OF THEM WERE SUPER LOWER THAN THE STATE PROCUREMENT CODE, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH BEING I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT PUBLIC WORKS. NICE JOB GREG.YOU'RE AT 25,000IN THE STATE PROCUREMENT CODES. 125. MY QUESTION WOULD MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS 25 THE RIGHT NUMBER OR DO WE NEED KNOWING THAT THE STATE PROCUREMENT CODE IS 125 SO THAT WE'RE NOT HANDCUFFING GREG AND COREY? AND BRIAN, IS THAT NUMBER TOO LOW? THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION BASED ON THE PROCUREMENT CODE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY. BACK TO YOU IS ON A COUPLE OF THESE THAT WERE SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER, LIKE THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS ON THE FORMAL BID ARE LIMIT SIX. OUR LIMIT IS GOING FROM IS 56,000 AND THE STATES IS 70. IS THE 56 APPROPRIATE ENOUGH FOR WHAT WE WANT. AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION. AND IF THE ANSWER TO THAT THOSE ARE YES AND I'M OKAY WITH THE NUMBERS, JOE AND I SCRUTINIZED THESE NUMBERS TOGETHER. IT'S STRIKING A BALANCE RIGHT. GIVING DEPARTMENTS FLEXIBILITY TO GET WHAT THEY NEED IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE. THAT HAVING STRICT OVERSIGHT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND THE USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. WE BOTH FELT LIKE THIS WAS A GOOD BALANCE RELATIVE TO OUR NEEDS AS AN ORGANIZATION, OUR SIZE AS AN ORGANIZATION, AND THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT WE'RE DOING, AND ALSO RELATIVE TO SOME OF OUR PEER CITIES, I WILL TELL YOU, THE DEPARTMENTS WE REVIEWED THIS IN CABINET AND GENERALLY, GREG, CHIME IN, THE DEPARTMENTS ARE MORE OR LESS ECSTATIC ABOUT THIS NEW LIMITS COMPARED TO WHERE WE HAVE BEEN. SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GO FURTHER. OKAY. I DID, SO I COULD HAVE MAYBE QUESTION MARKS IN THIS BODY, BUT ON LINE 1070 AND MAYBE CORBIN HAS THE ANSWER. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, WHY WE EVEN SAID THEY'D GET A KEY PART. WHY WOULD A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER NEED. DO YOU HAVE ONE? HAVE YOU EVER HAD ONE NOT ISSUED FOR THE CITY? AND I DON'T, SO I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE IN OUR CODE. WE'VE NEVER HAD ONE. RIGHT. SO WHY IS IT IN OUR CODE? SO THAT GOES BACK TO PRACTICES VERSUS. AND I AGREE WITH KAITLYN. I JUST DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE THERE. AND THEN AND THEN. AND THEN IT ALSO ABOUT ALLEN HAVING A PART AND THAT WE VOTE ON IT. IF WE VOTE ON YOU GETTING A PART. AND A LIMIT ON I MEAN COUNCIL SHOULD EVER HAVE A PART, I CAN TELL YOU THE KEY CARD, THE P CARD PROVISION IN HERE IS POINTING TO THE P CARD PROVISION HERE IN HERE IS PROBABLY A HOLDOVER.
WHEN THE COUNCIL GAVE THEMSELVES AN ALLOWANCE TO BUY THINGS FOR. OFFICIAL THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL HAD. THAT GOES BACK A LONG TIME AGO. WE HAVE TO GO GET. WERE YOU HERE? YEAH. THERE WAS A TIME WHERE COUNCIL DID HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL EXPENSE ACCOUNT. THAT MADE THAT SECTION OF CODE CAME FROM. IT WAS ABUSED BY A SPECIFIC COUNCIL MEMBER. SO THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS OR THINGS OR THINGS. WELL, I WOULDN'T WANT THE RESPONSIBILITY. I DON'T EITHER.
SO DO WE WANT THAT TAKEN OUT? YEAH. YES. TAKE IT OUT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP, WE SWINE.
KELLY COUNCIL. OH, JUST. NO, I WAS JUST I WAS AT LUNCH YESTERDAY ARGUING FOR KEEPING IT. BUT WHY WOULD WE WANT THEM. LOGISTICS. PAUL AND GREG AND THEY WERE ARGUING ABOUT PEAK HOUR FOR LUNCH BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED WATER BOARD STUFF AND UTILITY STUFF AND. AND I SAID, YEAH, WE USED TO HAVE P CARDS IN COUNCIL, AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE DISCUSSION THAT, YEAH, IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA WHEN THE COUNCIL MEMBER NEEDS TO GO MEET WITH A LEGISLATOR, YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO OUT TO LUNCH OR SOMETHING OR WHATEVER. IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA. WE HAD $1,000 A YEAR IN. THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR. THIS WAS BEFORE THE COUNCIL, BY THE WAY, PROVIDED THE PERIOD FOR
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THE BOTTOM. I USED MINE ONCE. I BUY TWO POLO SHIRTS THAT I BROUGHT IN AND THAT THE CITY WANTED. THAT'S WHAT I USED MY INPUT. AND THEN THEY WERE TAKEN AWAY ABOUT FIVE MONTHS LATER.CAMPAIGN COST THE LEGISLATOR OR YOUR PERSONAL FUNDS. SO. THE CITY BUSINESS. WELL, AND IF WE EVER DID ADOPT A LIMIT LIKE THAT, WE COULD THEN LOOK AT AN ORDINANCE CHANGE OR SAY IT'S DONE BY. PROCEED. YOU KNOW, BY REIMBURSING IT. WELL, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS YOU CAN USE IT FOR. YEAH. INSTEAD, WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS WE HAVE $100 A MONTH TELECOMMUNICATIONS STIPEND THAT HELPS PAY FOR OUR PHONES AND STUFF LIKE THAT FOR OFFICIAL CITY BUSINESS. RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S LIKE SPECIFICALLY EARMARKED FOR ONE PURPOSE. WHAT IF I DON'T NEED TO SPEND $100 ON MY PHONE FOR ONE YEAR AT ONE MONTH? BUT I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS THE CITY BUSINESS EXPENSE TO HELP WHATEVER. AND IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE. WHAT ABOUT WHEN WE DRIVE OUR OWN CARS TO SAINT GEORGE? REELECT? THE HEAD OF DOING? WELL, I KNOW, BUT INSTEAD OF FILLING OUT A GOOGLE FORM, WHY NOT JUST HAVE A P CARD? I THINK P CARDS SHOULD BE SET UP. I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY. YEAH, AS FAR AS THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT THE CODE SECTION AND THIS IS IN THERE. BUT DID WE HAVE FOR TO TAKE IT OUT. YES. YOU HAD FIVE, AT LEAST FIVE I DIDN'T SEE. ZACH OR CHAD. I MEAN, NO ONE'S BOTHERED ABOUT IT TILL TODAY AND WELL, BUT IT'S IN THERE FOR TEN YEARS AND HE'S BEEN. 90 ABOUT. I HAVE NOT WORKED OUT THAT THEY WERE. BUT YOU GOT FIVE. NOT BIG ENOUGH. I JUST THINK I MEAN, WE'RE MAKING A BIGGER DEAL THAN IT REALLY IS, BUT THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S REALLY COOL. WELL, I MEAN, THE PURPOSE OF THE BODY, IT GOT TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE A PERSON ABUSED IT, RIGHT? YEAH. WELL, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW. WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS. AND OVER HERE WAS THERE, MR. CHAIR, WE. HAVE ONE MORE CLARIFYING QUESTION. JUST ON A DIFFERENT SUBJECT. SO ARE WE ARE WE CLEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE PART OUT OF THE CODE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE OVERSIGHT IN THE CARD? WE APPROVE THOSE STATEMENTS EVERY MONTH. SO IF THE COUNCIL HAD ANY CARDS, SOMEONE WOULD BE LOOKING AT YOUR STATEMENT. WE CATCH THE MEETINGS OF THE NEW COMMISSIONERS. ONE LAST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE OKAY WITH AND YOU'RE AWARE OF IS THE EXCEPTIONS TO COMPETITIVE SOLICITATION REQUIREMENTS. WE ADDED AN EXCEPTION THAT IS THE COST OF TRANSITIONAL TRANSITIONAL COSTS. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE IS A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS THAT DEMONSTRATES THE COST OF TRANSITIONING IS SIGNIFICANT, WE CAN GO THROUGH A NON COMPETITIVE RENEWAL PROCESS.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GET IF YOU GET INTO A CERTAIN SOFTWARE FORMULA, SOFTWARE USAGE ACROSS AN ORGANIZATION, THE COST TO CHANGE OUT OF THAT IS A FACTOR. IT'S NOT JUST THE ACTUAL COST OF THE SOFTWARE, BUT THE COST OF DISRUPTING THE ORGANIZATION, TIME AND OTHER THINGS. THIS ALLOWS FOR THE ORGANIZATION TO CONSIDER THOSE TRANSITIONAL COSTS WHEN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO DO A COMPETITIVE SOLICITATION. SO RIGHT NOW, WE ANNOUNCED THOSE ARE FACTORED IN.
WELL, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO MAKE A CHANGE BASED ON BID. AND WE'RE LIKE, OH MAN, THAT WAS A $100,000 DISRUPTION FOR A $10,000 BID. WELL, IF WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE PRIME, IF WE HAVE PRIME GO, THERE'S ONLY ONE COMPANY THAT MAKES PRIME GO. SO THAT SHOULD BE AN EXCEPTION TO THE COMPETITOR THAT'S ALREADY A SOLE SOURCE. YEAH. SO IT'S A SOLE SOURCE. BUT THIS IS LIKE THAT RIGHT. THAT IT'S I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HERE WHEN WE GET BACK TO YOU AND DENISE, REAL BUDGETING SOFTWARE AND NOT EXCEL. YEAH. SO THEN THAT EXAMPLE, THE ERP. YEAH, THE ERP SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL TRANSITIONAL COST THAT NEEDS TO BE FACTORED INTO OUR I'M OKAY I'M OKAY WITH THAT. YOU CAN SEE I'M STILL ADVOCATING FOR THAT BUDGET SOFTWARE GOING. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. GREAT TO SEE THAT. TO GET THAT LOOKING.
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RIGHT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS I HEA. SILENCE. THAT'S WEIRD. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL CLOSE THIS DISCUSSION AND MOVE FORWARD. AS LONG AS THAT WE'RE SIMON AND GARFUNKEL WITHOUT THE SILENCE.ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU JOE. THANK YOU. THANKS, JOE. THANKS, JOE. YEAH, I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU.
[b. Discussion on possible amendments to Title 13-5B-8 - Accessory Dwelling Units]
OKAY. OUR NEXT DISCUSSION IS POSSIBLE EVENTS. TITLE 13 5B-8 UNITS. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, BRODER AND GREEN. WHICH ONE OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAD ON THIS? GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. IT WILL PROBABLY TELL US. RIGHT NOW. TELL US RIGHT. RIGHT. SO RIGHT NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE CODE, THE CODE SAYS THAT WE CAN PUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN. RESIDENTIAL CERTAIN RESIDENTIAL ZONES, THE PC. WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS THAT IT DOESN'T ALLOW IT IN THE RR ZONES OR THE AGRICULTURAL ZONES. SO YOU'D HAVE A FIVE, YOU COULD HAVE A FIVE ACRE LOT, AND WE CAN'T PUT AN EXTERNAL ADU ON IT. BUT IF YOU WERE IN AN R1 TEN NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU COULD, WHICH JUST IS TO ME IS COUNTERINTUITIVE, RIGHT? THE REASON WHY THIS CAME ABOUT, I WILL JUST TELL YOU, IS THAT IN THE STREET, IT'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, CHAD. SO I'LL JUST SAY IT'S IN YOUR DISTRICT. BUT ON ON 1515 DEPENDS ON WHAT PART OF THE STREET YOU ARE. IF IT'S 1530 OR 1510, BUT ALONG 15, 30, 15, TEN WEST OVER HERE, ONE OF OUR ONE OF OUR HOMES, ONE OF OUR PROPERTY OWNERS HAS A THIRD ACRE LOT. BUT BECAUSE THE ZONE IS R1 EIGHT, THEY CAN'T PUT AN ADU ON A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. BUT THEY CAN. IF THEY LIVED. A LOT IN ARLINGTON. YES, SO WHAT WE WHAT WE WERE ASKING IS, IS JUST TO SAY EXTERNAL EDU UNITS ARE PERMITTED ON SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, PLATTED, LOTS OF 10,000FT■!S OR LARGER SO THAT ANYBODY THAT'S GOT A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT OR LARGER, THAT'S REALLY EASY FOR STAFF, RIGHT? THEY CAN GO TO THE MAP, CLICK ON THE PLAT. IT'S 10,000 OR NOT. THEY CAN APPROVE THE AD ADU APPLICATION OR NOT. WE DELETE ALL THE EXTRA EXTRANEOUS LANGUAGE AND DELETE THE LINE AFTER THAT, WHICH IS PCL, SFR 10,000FT■!S OR LARGER. NOW YOU U CREATED A REDUNDANCY. YOU CAN TAKE OUT THE REST OF THAT WHOLE SECTION THERE. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THIS SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER TO ME. IT WORKS. THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP, AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN THAT MR. GARDNER HIGHLIGHTED, IS THE CURRENT SETBACKS FOR, FOR. INTERNAL ADUS IS SIX FEET 15, EIGHT AND 20. AND ARE WE OKAY WITH THOSE NUMBERS OR DO WE WANT TO ADJUST THOSE WHEN WE'RE ADJUSTING IT FOR A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT? I HAVE NO PREFERENCE. THEY'RE ARBITRARY. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW ANY NUMBERS ARE ANY NUMBER WE PICK ARBITRARY. WELL, MY QUESTION IS, HAS SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT THIS OR ARE WE JUST LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING MAYBE ON THE SETBACKS ON ALL OF US. THE ONE PERSON OVER ON 1510 ASK.THAT'S WHY. THAT'S WHAT DO THEY WANT TO PUT IN AN ADU ON THEIR THIRD OF AN ACRE LOT THAT THEY CAN'T PUT IN? I JUST THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES NO, I GET IT. AND I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE LOOK AT IT. BUT I THINK A LOT OF TIMES ON THIS COUNCIL AND IF YOU GET MAD, I SAY THIS A LOT OF TIMES WE CHANGE CODE FOR ONE PERSON AND WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT. WELL, BUT ALL WE'RE DOING IS MAKING IT CONSISTENT TO SAY, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS ARE COVERED AND WE EXCLUDED. WE EXCLUDED. THERE'S A POINT IN TIME HERE. WE EXCLUDED 200,000. WITH THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW. WE EXCLUDED 200,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT BECAUSE THE AGRICULTURE OF FIVE ACRES CAN'T BUILD AN EXTERNAL ADU BECAUSE IT'S NOT PERMITTED. SO NOT ONLY IS THIS MAYBE A CORRECTION FOR ONE PERSON, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A CORRECTION TO MAKE THINGS EASY AND MORE SIMPLE AND JUST SAY.
HAVE WE HAD MORE THAN KEEP US OUT OF THE SIDE OF OUR FRIENDS? AND IF WE DO THIS, THIS, THIS DOES, THIS DOES EXPAND AND SIMPLIFY THE ADU CODE TO YES, TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. SO I'M OKAY. I LIKE IT. YOU'VE GOT FOUR, YOU'VE GOT FIVE. WHAT ABOUT THE SETBACKS? THAT'S WHAT LARRY WAS. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY PRECLUDES ME FROM DOING A FINE IDEA THAT ONE OF MY FELLOW
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COUNCIL MEMBERS GAVE ME FROM THAT 60. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CHICKEN SAID ABOUT SOME LOTS ARE. HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THAT? BUT, LARRY. PULLED IT OUT OF THE AIR. SO THAT TIME WE DID IT WAS REALLY NOT A GOOD. BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THIS, IT WAS IT'S KIND OF UNCHARTED TERRITORY, IF YOU REMEMBER. THE REASON FOR THE 15 FOOT SETBACK IS WE DIDN'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY HAS A HOUSE THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL THAT. YOU HAVE TO SAY 20 OR STANDARD OR SOMETHING, AND SIX FEET IS STANDARD IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE FOR YEARS. CORRECT? WHAT ARE THE SETBACKS FOR SHEDS OR SIMILAR TYPE OF SHED? IF IT'S LESS THAN A DEPENDS ON THE HEIGHT, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S OVER 17FT. AND THIS NEXT YEAR IT STARTS IN THREE AND IT'S JUST IF I CAN HAVE A 17 FOOT TALL SHED WITHIN THREE FEET OF THE FENCE, BUT NOT AT TEN FOOT TALL. GENERALLY NOBODY'S LIVING IN THE SHED. AND HOW DO I KNOW THAT FROM MY NEIGHBOR? I'VE BEEN SITTING IN MY SHOP ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING. HOW DO I KNOW IF IT'S A SHED OR AN ADU? BECAUSE YOU SEE THE WINDOW HERE IS THE SHED LOOKS CHEAPER AS YOU SEE THEM. YEAH, YOU GET IT. SHEDS ARE NOW BUILDING EXTERNAL ADUS THAT ARE BEING DROPPED ON THE LAND THAT PEOPLE LIVE ON. SO I'M ON AMAZON, SO I'M SUPPOSED TO PUT SO MY THOUGHT IS THAT BY SAYING. MACHINE HEIGHT DEPENDENT CHANGES SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS. MY GARAGE IS PRETTY BIG AND IT PROBABLY THAT'S THAT KIND OF SETUP. I USUALLY GO RIGHT UP AGAINST FENCES, AND I THINK I LIKE JACK'S IDEA. THE SAME AS THE SHED. YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF I DO OR NOT, IF IT'S AN ACCESSORY, IF IT'S AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS AN ACCESSORY ELEMENT, I THINK I'D BE OKAY AS LONG AS THERE AREN'T WINDOWS ON THAT SITE. BUT I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT SOUNDED VERY CONVINCING TO ME, WHICH WAS, YOU DON'T WANT THE BACK DOOR NEIGHBORS TO FEEL LIKE THEY'VE GOT A RESIDENCE RIGHT ON THEIR FENCE. AND SO MAYBE IF THERE'S JUST NO WINDOW, YOU SAY, HOW DO THEY HOW CAN THEY TELL THE DIFFERENCE TO THE SHED? THE WINDOW IS NOT A BAD IDEA. BUT THAT WINDOW. YEAH, BUT PEOPLE AREN'T IN THERE ALL THE TIME PERIOD OF THE NEIGHBOR. WELL, IF YOU'RE SITTING THERE AT YOUR WINDOW, PEERING AT YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOU'VE GOT OTHER ISSUES. TODAY. THAT'S WHAT THE NEIGHBOR IS TRYING TO AVOID IS WHETHER YOU'RE SIX FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OR THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU'RE STILL THERE. SO, I MEAN, WE COULD WRITE AN ORDINANCE. WE COULD WRITE THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS IT FOLLOWS THE SHED. IT FOLLOWS THE ACCESSORY UNIT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WINDOWS, CAN'T FACE THE PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. YEAH. MAYBE IF WINDOWS FACE IT THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SAME SETBACKS AS THE HOUSE. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. LIKE THE. WRITING CODE. SURE. IF I CAN ADD JUST PERSONALLY ARE. THERE NEIGHBORHOODS TO BUILD AN ADU ARE VERY BEAUTIFUL AND THERE IS NO WINDOW ON THE SIDE FACING THE PROPERTY. I WAS ASKED I WAS ASKED IF I WOULD SUPPORT WHERE THEY WERE BUILDING AS A NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, AND I ASKED AND THE CITY ASKED ME AS A PROPERTY OWNER IF I WOULD. OKAY, SO I WANTED TO ASK. YOU ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WE'RE DOING THREE FEET IS THREE THREE FEET SUFFICIENT FOR FIRE SAFETY AND SAFETY. SO THERE. WELL SEE THAT'S NOT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN JUST SAYING WE PULLED THE NUMBERS OUT OF THE AIR. NOW YOU'VE GOT A FACTUAL SAFETY BASIS. DOES IT MATTER WHETHER IT'S A SIDE SETBACK, A BACK SETBACK OR A CORNER LOT? WE NEED NUMBERS FOR LIKELY TO CATCH AN ADU OR A. THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT'S GOT CARS AND LAWNMOWERS. HAS ELECTRICITY AND 3 TO 5FT ON SIDE. AND. YOU HAVE YOUR FURNACE[01:00:03]
AND WATER. SAVING WATER HEATERS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PREVENTS VISIBILITY ISSUES, FIRE SEPARATION AND EMERGENCY ACCESS. THIS WAS GOING TO BE SO SIMPLE I KNOW, BUT SAFETY I GET THE YELLOW PART WOULD BE NUMBER ONE IS SIMPLE. AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF REALITY IS WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS YEARS AGO. YOU KNOW, WITH RESPONSES, RESPONSE HAS BEEN FOR MANY. I THINK. PROBABLY OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, MAYBE 25. CERTAINLY 72, BECAUSE MOST ADUS, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN AS CLOSE TO THE HOUSE AS POSSIBLE. YEAH. SO WE WANT TO CHANGE THE EIGHT BY. TWO BY FIVE FEET OF THE. SANTA PAULA FROM SCOTT SCOTT. I, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE IF WE TAKE THIS INPUT FROM THE COUNCIL AND TALK WITH OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL FIRE MARSHAL AND COME BACK WITH THE NUMBERS. IT SEEMS LIKE THE CONSENSUS IS TO AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO MATCH THE ACCESSORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES SHEDS AS BEST WE CAN, AS LONG AS THEY COMPLY WITH THE HEALTH AND SAFETY WITH BUILDING CODE AND FIRE CODE. IS THAT IS THAT OKAY? THANK YOU. YEAH. SO LET ME GO BACK. LET ME LET ME TAKE THIS INPUT. AND WE'LL CRAFT SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE CAN BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION WITH THEIR. THEY'RE NOT HERE TODAY. I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE, BUT WHAT THE CONSEQUENCE IS THAT OKAY. THAT'LL BE GREAT. THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WE HAVE PROCEEDINGS. SO WE I MEAN THERE WAS A REASON WE BRING IT BACK TO A WORK MEETING OR. A WORK MEETING. EVERYBODY GOOD? YEP. GOOD. COMING I SEE, FOR AT LEAST COMING BACK TO ME, THAT WAS ME, BOB, KAYLEEN AND KENT. YOU CAN MAKE THAT QUICK. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE. THANKS, LARRY. OKAY.WE DID MOST OF YOUR WORK FOR YOU. I THINK LARRY GETS TO STAY FOR THE NEXT ONE TOO, THOUGH.
ARE YOU ARE YOU IN THE HOUSING? LARRY'S UP NEXT. LARRY'S UP NEXT. BECAUSE THIS ONE CAME OUT OF BOB'S NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, BOB, YOU GET TO TAKE THIS ONE. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU REMEMBER. HOLD ON.
[c. Discussion on possible amendments to Title 13-8-23 - Balanced Housing]
I HAVE TO SAY DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO TITLE 3823 BALANCED HOUSE. BOB. THANK YOU. THIS ONE CAME WHEN THE BOWMANS CAME TO CITY COUNCIL AND BROUGHT UP THEIR DESIRE TO PUT SOME DWELLINGS ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. THEY HAVE A LARGER PROPERTY ON 27 EAST. SHE HAD BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THEY HAD THIS BIG PLOT OF LAND THAT HER HUSBAND USED TO WORK. SHE COULD NO LONGER EITHER. THEY'RE UNABLE TO DO THAT. THE DAUGHTERS WANTED TO COME IN, BUT THEY WANTED TO GET THEIR DAUGHTERS T, TO BE. THIS WILL GO COUNCIL CHAIR PLAN. WHEN YOU SAID YOU DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON WHO CAME WITH IT. AND THAT WAS KIND OF MY THOUGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO CHANGE CODE TO ALLOW THEM TO PUT THE DWELLINGS ON IT FOR ONE PERSON, BUT IN RESEARCHING THE AREA, WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER PROPERTY IN THE ENTIRE CITY THAT WOULD FIT UNDER THIS SAME POSSIBILITY, AND WE'RE NOT OPENING UP THE BIG CAN OF WORMS TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP OUT WITH THE ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPTIONS IN.WHEN WE SAY CERTAIN ZONES, IT'S REALLY THESE TWO PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA, BUT IT SETS US UP SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE COULD DO. WE'VE TALKED WITH MUCH OF THE CITY STAFF ON THIS, AND THEY FEEL THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE AND WORKED OUT. OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN MEET A RESIDENT'S NEEDS AND STILL KEEP THAT WITHIN THE COMPANY. I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS IS NOT A NEW COUNCIL CHAIR. BUT IT FITS IF IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, EVEN IF IT'S FOR ONE ASSESSMENT, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IT'S OKAY. SO IT CAN BE OKAY. NOT ALWAYS, BUT IT CAN BE OKAY TO CHANGE CODE TO HELP PAY FOR. I THINK THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. I HAVE HAD SOMEONE CALL ABOUT THIS SPOT. SO WE DO HAVE A. SEPARATE TO CATCH. ALL THE TIMES BRINGS US OR AT LEAST THOUGHT SOMEBODY WANTED TO KNOW. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL, BUT I GUESS. MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT A
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PRIOR COUNCIL PUT DOWN STAFF I'M SURE WORKED ON THIS BALANCED HOUSING INITIATIVE, AND I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. AND IT'S LIKE MY AFTER TIME WE'RE PUTTING IN CHUNKING AWAY THE POINT THAT I HAVE THE QUESTION OF, DO WE STILL WANT TO HAVE A BALANCED HOUSING? BECAUSE IF WE DO, THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO MAINTAIN IT? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THIS ONE AND THEN WE'VE GOT TONIGHT ON OUR REGULAR MEETING, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE THAT CHIPS AWAY AT IT. SO ARE WE COMFORTABLE CHIPPING AWAY AT IT, CONTINUALLY. AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. BUT I RECALL WHAT COULD BUILD A PLACE FOR BOTH OF HER DAUGHTERS. SHE COULD HAVE A HOME AND SHE COULD HAVE AN ADU. BUT THAT IS THE DESIRE. THE DESIRE IS TO TITLES. SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY COULDN'T ACCOMPLISH HAVING BOTH DAUGHTERS LIVE THERE IN THEIR OWN UNITS. SO I, I GET THAT IT'S I'M REALLY TORN ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I GET IT, I GET IT. BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT BALANCED HOUSING AND. THIS DOESN'T. SO IS THERE A PICTURE OF THE MAP THAT. IS ALL WE'RE DOING IS ADDING R3 TO THIS. BUT I'LL HAVE TO TELL YOU, I WILL HAVE TO TELL YOU IN THE OVERALL THIS AFFECTS ON THE BACK END OF THIS. THIS APPROVES DISAPPROVES THE EXCEPTION TO THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE FOR TWO PROPERTIES THAT I'M JUST SAYING. IT SHOWS THAT WEST JORDAN DOESN'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THEIR BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE, BECAUSE WE'RE WILLING TO CHANGE IT ALL THE TIME. BUT BUT THAT'S I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEND THE MESSAGE. SO THE MESSAGE. SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO TELL YOU MY THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE CAME ABOUT BECAUSE TWO OF US HAPPENED TO BE INVOLVED IN FIGHTING A PARTICULAR APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT HAPPENS TO STILL BE ON THE COAST. THAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE NO ONE, NO, THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE STATION AT GARDNER MILL THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS THE CAPTAIN WAS UP BEFORE THAT CAME UP. IT CAME AFTERWARDS. THAT WAS ABOUT IT. BUT IT CAME IT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE WE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DENSITY UNITS IN OUR AREA. AND SOMEBODY IN THE STAFF STARTED LOOKING AND SAYING, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU'RE RIGHT. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE GOT A WE'VE GOT THIS 8020 MIX OR AS CLOSE TO THAT 8020 MIX OF APARTMENTS AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A 67, 33 MIX, I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS. AM I CLOSE, LARRY? IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS. WE WERE WAY OUT OF BALANCE AND CLOSE. AT LEAST I'M IN THE BALLPARK. BUT BUT BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS, THE COUNCIL DID THE CAP AND TRADE, NOW CALLED THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE FOR RAIN IN. BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT WHAT THIS DOES IS FUNDAMENTALLY PUSHES FOR SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IN WEST JORDAN FOR A LONG TIME, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF JONES RANCH AND A COUPLE OF THE OTHERS. AND THAT IS WHERE WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE MISSING MIDDLE IN THE HOUSING CRISIS. BY ALLOWING THIS ORDINANCE ALLOWS TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY TO BUILD TWIN HOMES. THAT HELPS ADDRESS THIS MISSING MIDDLE AND SOME ISSUES WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'M PERFECTLY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME LEGISLATORS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT OUR BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE AND SAYING, HOW COME YOU'RE NOT ALLOWING THIS STUFF? AND IT'S BECAUSE WE, WE PUT IT AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE I WAS ON, WE WERE FIGHTING THIS. WITH THE WITH THE 27 UNITS AN ACRE OR WHATEVER IT TURNED OUT TO BE OVER A STATION OF JORDAN MILL. THAT 27 WAS IT 21? I THOUGHT IT WAS 26. WE GOT 270 UNITS ON 11 ACRES OF LAND, WHATEVER THAT WORKS OUT TO BE. SO. WE LOOKED AT WE LOOKED AT THAT AND, AND PEOPLE STARTED SAYING, WAIT A MINUTE, WHY ARE WE WHY ARE WE BUILDING ALL OF THESE MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN PLACES LIKE NEXT TO CISCO? THAT DIDN'T MAKE A DANG BIT OF SENSE. AND WE AND WE WERE POPPING UP MULTIFAMILY UNITS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK WE AND CAITLIN, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. IN A LOT OF THINGS, WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE. AGAIN, WHAT THIS ALLOWS US TO DO WITH THE BALANCED HOUSING IS, YEAH, MAYBE WE DO MAKE EXCEPTIONS, BUT THE EXCEPTIONS THAT WE MAKE ARE[01:10:01]
WHERE WE WANT THE DENSITY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE IOC, THE POTENTIAL IS IT SEIZES ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE EXCEPTIONS IN THE PC AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WHAT WE'VE DECIDED TO DO IS SAY, YEAH, THERE'S A PLACE WHERE DENSITY BELONGS THAT THE PLACE, YOU KNOW, WE APPROVED THE DEI PROJECT, GOT ON, ON ON A. IT WOULD NOT DEA. WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TRANSITIONING. WE HAVE WE WENT OUT TO YOU KNOW, WE APPROVED THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE APPROVED THE INTEGRATED HOUSING OUT OF DEI SO THAT WE ADDRESSED THE MISSING MIDDLE. I THINK THIS IS IN THE SAME LINE. AND SO I'M ALL FOR THIS, BUT I THINK I, I AGREE WITH MUCH OF WHAT IS SAID THERE. THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, WHO CAME LOOKING FOR SOMETHING AND HOW THE, HOW THE COUNCIL COULD HELP. THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT CAME TO ME AS A COUNCIL PERSON IN MY IN MY DISTRICT THAT WAS OUT OF MY REALM OF KNOWING OF WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE. SO IN WORKING WITH STAFF AND HAVING THEM GO THROUGH THINGS AND CHECKING IN A FEW TIMES WITH THE PEOPLE ON WHAT WE COULD MAYBE DO THEM, KNOWING THAT ONE SINGLE WITH AN ADU AS A PART OF THAT COULD BE DONE WITHOUT PROBLEMS WITH THEM STILL DOING. BUT CAN WE DO THIS? BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, OBVIOUSLY, IS TO HAVE BOTH OF THE DAUGHTERS BE HOMEOWNERS WITHIN THE CITY, AND NOT JUST ONE. BEING A HOMEOWNER AND ONE BEING A RENTER. WITHIN THE THING WE'RE BUILDING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME SIZE. BASICALLY, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT AND WE'RE OKAY TO BUILD SOMETHING. THAT THAT DOESN'T MEET THEIR NEEDS, BUT SOMETHING AT THE SAME SIZE CAN MEET THEIR NEEDS. THEN THAT'S WHAT I WANT THE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO CHECK ON AND DO.BEFORE WE EVEN BROUGHT IT HERE. ONCE THE STAFF TOLD ME THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IF WE APPROVE THIS, WHAT IS HERE, THEN THAT WAS THE REASON TO BRING IT THROUGH. MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON PLANNING COMMISSIONS AND COUNCIL LONGER THAN I, SO YOU HAVE YOUR OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IT HERE TO THIS. BUT THIS WAS A CASE OF SOMETIMES FOR ME, IT'S HARD TO GO BACK TO SOMEONE AND SAY, WELL, IF YOU JUST DID THIS, WHICH IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT, YOU'RE OKAY. BUT FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MATERIALS AND LAND USAGE AND EVERYTHING, YOU WANT TO DO THIS, WELL, WE CAN'T DO THAT. THAT'S WHERE I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW DO WE MAKE THIS? AND I'LL GO BACK AND TELL THEM WHATEVER. I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH HOW YOU VOTE, BECAUSE YOU GUYS KNOW. BUT IF YOU ASK FAVORS BASED ON PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE ALL BEING LISTENED TO. BECAUSE THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME A TWIN HOME HAS COME UP. AND DRIVING ALONG SUGAR FACTORY ROAD. WE'RE ON WHAT'S ON THAT ROAD? MANY OF THEM, YOU AND I, DRIVE BY THEM EVERY TIME WE DRIVE BY CRAIG STREET. BUT THE TWIN HOMES, THE TWIN HOMES DOWN THERE, WE HAD TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR IT THE WAY IT WAS ZONED. YOU REMEMBER THAT STUFF? SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT. AND FOR ME, YOU KNOW, A TWIN HOME ISN'T ANY BETTER OR WORSE THAN A TOWNHOME THAT'S GOT THREE STUFF TOGETHER. SO MAYBE WE TAKE A LOOK AT ALLOWING TWIN HOMES, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE LAST TIME IT'S GOING TO COME UP. THERE'S SOMEONE SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME UP. AND EVEN BEFORE I WAS ON THE COUNCIL AND YOU WERE ON THE COUNCIL, SOMEONE WENT TO YOU AS A COUNCIL MEMBER ASKING ABOUT A TWIN. I TRIED TO GET TWO HOMES TAKEN OUT. HOW CAN THAT HAPPEN IN THAT TIME? FOR THE COUNCIL TO FUND IT COULD BE KNOWING THAT THIS WILL HELP THEM BE TAKEN DOWN. LOOK AT TWIN HOMES AS WELL. THE THING IS, THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONTROVERSIAL. THIS IS ALLOWING TWIN HOMES IN AN R-3 ZONE. YOU THINK? NO, YOU CAN'T BUILD A TWIN HOME, BUT YOU CAN BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. NO, THE BALANCED HOUSING PREVENTS ANYTHING. I KNOW, BUT SINCE. SINCE WHEN DO WE. SINCE WHEN DO WE SCOFF AT ALLOWING LESS INTENSITY? RIGHT. THIS IS ALLOWING THE ZONES THERE. IT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE. IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN, YOU MIGHT SAY THAT THE BALANCED HOUSING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT.
IT'S NOT WHAT IT IS. RIGHT. AND WE'RE SAYING WE'RE ACTUALLY. LIKE BARKING AT THIS. LIKE I ACTUALLY THINK THEY'VE GOT FOUR VOTES. I THINK THEY GOT SEVEN. THEY DIDN'T MOVE OFF. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YES, I THINK WE GOT SEVEN FOR THIS. BUT SHOULD WE REVISIT TWIN HOMES NOW THAT THE FIRE CODE? OF COURSE. LOOK AT THE BALANCE HOUSING ORDINANCE. AND TO DELETE THE WHOLE THING OR SOMETHING. I'M ACTUALLY NOT OPPOSED TO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU HAVE CHIPPED AWAY AT IT. THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT TENDED. WHEN WE WENT TO I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN WE
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FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS DONE VERY MUCH IN COORDINATION WITH CITY COUNCIL, WITH JOINT MEETINGS LIKE WE USED TO HAVE. AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS EXCEPTION? WHAT ABOUT THAT? SCOTLAND'S HERE. AND THEY WENT THROUGH WHAT WE HAD AND. SCHOOL BOARD GUY AND SCHOOL BOARD. ANYWAY, I'VE GOT A SIGN IN MY GARAGE, BUT HE CAME IN AND MODERATED THE DISCUSSION AND BROUGHT IN A MODERATOR TO KIND OF HELP GUIDE US THROUGH GRIFFITHS AND GRIFFITHS. CAME AND HELPED WALKED US THROUGH THE WHOLE CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WEREN'T GOING TO GET IT RIGHT. SO WE PUT IT IN AND WE DEAL WITH IT AND LOOK, OH, HERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE DID AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS LAST WEEKEND, AND HERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE DID. WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS WAY. SO WE CHIP IN AND HERE'S WHAT WE SAY. PISSES ON SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW ACRES. BUT MAYBE IT SHOULD BE 50. LET'S GET OH YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. WE CHECKED. THAT'S HOW IT'S KIND OF SUPPOSED TO BE, RIGHT. YOU JUST MADE IT UP MOST PART. RIGHT. BASED ON PRINCIPLE. BUT IT WAS MADE UP. BUT HOUSING MARKET HAS COMPLETELY CHANGED IN THE 15 YEARS SINCE THIS WAS DONE. SO NOW IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.AGAIN, TO DEAL WITH THAT. YEP. BUT YOU PROBABLY DO WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BALANCED HOUSING.
I DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF THIS. I DON'T WANT TO. COME. AT THAT TIME IT WAS PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. IT WAS ABOUT. GARDNER VILLAGE OVER GARDNER MILL OVER HERE WENT IN AND A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SAID, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE MULTIFAMILY IN THE CITY. HOW CAN WE DO THAT? AND THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL, THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WENT TO STAFF WITH, WAS HOW DO WE STOP BUILDING UP? AND IT'S BECAUSE MULTIFAMILY WAS REALLY OUT OF CONTROL. AND WHEN WE DID THE COUNTS, IT WAS MAYBE IT WASN'T, MAYBE IT WASN'T. BUT YEAH, ACCORDING TO THE GENERAL PLAN.
RIGHT. BUT I REMEMBER SCOTT SAYING, WHEN WE PUT THIS IN HERE, EXCEPT FOR THE EXCEPTIONS, WE COULD NOT APPROVE ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY FOR LIKE 60 YEARS.
IT WAS GOING TO TAKE TO CATCH UP. THERE WAS SOME RIDICULOUS AMOUNT. IT'S EVEN WORSE NOW, I'M SURE. YOU KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AS BAD AS IT USED TO BE, RIGHT? 3030. YEAH, BUT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE US A LONG TIME, TAKE ANOTHER TEN YEARS. YEAH. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS WITH THE HOUSING MARKET CHANGE, WITH THE STATE LOOKING AT ZONING AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. IT'S ABOUT HOUSING, IS THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO SERIOUSLY CAP MULTIFAMILY WHENEVER AND WHEREVER POSSIBLE WITH LIMITED EXEMPTIONS? OR SHOULD WE LOOK AT IT AND TAKE IN ZONING BY THROWING A PARCEL BY PARCEL APPROACH? I'M NOT AFRAID TO TAKE A LOOK. SO IF I CAN JUST SUM UP SO WE'RE GOOD, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. YES, BUT JUST TO GIVE MY STAFF SOME SOME CLARITY, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH INTEREST? IF WE WERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT PUTTING HOMES. ATTACHED PRODUCT, IS IT DOES DESIGN MATTER TO THE COUNCIL. IT'S OFTENTIMES IT'S NOT THE DENSITY. IT'S THE DESIGN THAT REALLY CAN AFFECT THE CHARACTER. THE BIGGEST THING IS GOING TO BE SETBACKS FOR PEOPLE. WE'RE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT THAT. AND THEN HOW CLOTHING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT. I NEED TO BRING UP OUR FAVORITE SUBDIVISION OF ALL TIME, AND THAT'S WELL BELOW US. WOULD WOULD WELL BE WEST HAVE BEEN A BETTER DEVELOPMENT IF WE WILL ALLOW 3333 TWIN HOME BUILDINGS AS OPPOSED TO 60 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. I THINK A MORE DRASTIC EXAMPLE THAT HUMAN ALLOWS AT 78.
COTTAGE HOMES OUT THERE. YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT THAT USED DEVELOPMENT.
YEAH. THE LITTLE COTTAGE ONES WITH NO SIDEWALKS THAT'S EVEN MORE DENSE, SMALLER, SMALLER LOTS IN BOTH. SO. BUT THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY. SO IT'S OKAY THAT THAT YOU KNOW THAT. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE NEGATIVE OUTCOMES, IN MY OPINION, OF THE BALANCED HOUSING. AND THEN YOU GET THE TOWNHOMES WHERE PAMELA LIVES BY MY HOUSE THAT HAVE HUGE FRONT YARDS. THEY'RE GREAT. AND THEY HAVE, WELL, THERE ARE GOOD THINGS. HUGE. QUARTERS THERE. THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT THAT'S THE SAME THAT'S THE SAME ISSUE WE HAVE WITH THAT. TRADEOFF. YEAH. WHATEVER IT WAS.
WHAT'S IT CALLED. THE ALPINE HOMES DEVELOPMENT DOWN HERE ON REDWOOD ROAD THAT WE STILL.
YESTERDAY. GADSON. GADSON. THAT'S THE SAME ISSUE IS THAT WE PUT A BUNCH OF SMALL HOMES TOGETHER, AND THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. BUT WOULD THAT DEVELOPMENT HAD
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BEEN BETTER IF THEY WERE TWIN HOMES, OR IF THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A MIX OF TWIN AND SINGLE, WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN A BETTER MIX LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT OF 15 REFERRED TO THAT? MR. OR MR. GARY? THAT'S A MIX. THAT'S A MIX THAT WAS A MIXED USE WITH THE TWIN HOMES AND THE SENIOR HOUSING OVERLAY WITH THE SINGLE HOMES. AND I KNOW THAT THOSE TWIN HOMES FARTHER NORTH ON 13TH HAD SOME SORT OF WEIRD ZONING EXCEPTION, BECAUSE I THINK I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THAT. AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THEY COULD BUILD ON THERE THAT MADE SENSE. AND SO I'M, I'M OKAY TO LOOK AT TWIN HOMES AS HOW DOES HOW DOES TWIN HOMES FIT INTO THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE? BECAUSE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE MISSING MIDDLE A LITTLE BIT. AND SO I'M OKAY TAKING A LOOK AT IT, I WOULD ADD IN THE ANCIENT STYLE TOWNHOMES. YEAH THAT'S WHY I BRING IT. I'M GOING TO SAY YES, I CARE ABOUT DESIGN. AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I LOVE. I STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE THE FRONT DOORS ARE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE COOL. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT MATTERS, RIGHT? WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT MATTERS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR PROPERTY VALUES? WHEN WE HAVE THAT IN THE INTEGRATED HOUSING ORDINANCE ALREADY, THE TOWNHOMES WOULD HAVE TO LOOK LIKE ARE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS THAT HAVE TO LOOK LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE THAT AND EXTEND IT OUT THAT. SO DO I HAVE ENOUGH INTEREST, AT LEAST FOR YOU TO EXPLORE THE TWIN HOME? OPTION ONE TWO, THREE I THINK. OKAY. YEAH OKAY. JIM, YOU HAVE SEVEN ARROWS. MISSILE. THAT PLAYERS WALK UP MUSIC. IS HE LIKE THAT? IF YOU LIKE. GREAT. GREAT. LARRY JUST SAID OH GREAT. I GOT MORE WORK TO DO.THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S CALLED JOB SECURITY. HE'S JUST HE'S JUST GOING TO SAY DUNCAN HANDLED IT. BUT DUNCAN'S GOING. NO. THE TIME NOW IS 520 SOMETHING. I CAN'T READ 522. SO
[d. Discussion of Council Priorities]
WE HAVE UNTIL 630, I THINK, DISCUSSED IN THE PAST. MAY HAVE TIME. I'D LIKE TO GO TO THE COUNCIL. PRIORITIES. WARREN HAD SENT OUT A SURVEY TODAY, AND I THINK MOST OF US GOT IT. AND TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES. SO OBVIOUSLY PRIORITIES. THERE'S A TON OF. SO IF WE COME TO A CONCLUSION ABOUT OUR FIRST ONE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. OH THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO YES THE SURVEY THAT WENT OUT YESTERDAY. THANK YOU FOR GETTING THAT DONE SO QUICKLY. THIS IS IN ORDER OF YOUR WAY. YOU RANKED ALL OF THE PRIORITIES. THERE WERE 12. YOU COULD SEE. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANNING IS AT THE TOP. YOU CAN SEE THE COLUMNS ON THE RIGHT. THE HIGHEST PRIORITY MEANS THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IT WAS RANKED NUMBER ONE. THAT WAS THE HIGHEST BY WHOEVER. THE LOWEST IT WAS RANKED BY ANYBODY WAS THREE. AND YOU CAN GO DOWN FROM THERE. SO AT THE VERY BOTTOM WE HAVE DIVERSITY AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THE HIGHEST RANKING IT GOT WAS SIX. THE LOWEST IT GOT WAS 12. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE AVERAGE ON THE FAR RIGHT. AND THAT'S HOW WE GET THIS ORDER. SO THAT'S ALL BASED OFF OF ALL SEVEN OF YOUR RANKING OF THESE ITEMS FROM EARLIER TODAY AND LAST NIGHT. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT QUICK TURNAROUND. BUT YEAH, THIS IS LOOSELY WHERE YOU STAND AS A COUNCIL AS FAR AS YOUR PRIORITIES. IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL ACTION AS WAS MENTIONED IN THE IN THE SURVEY. BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FUNNEL TO WHERE WE WERE IN OUR PREVIOUS COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING PRIOR TO DISCUSSING ANYTHING. SO ONE THING WE DISCUSSED THIS MORNING IN STAFF MEETING IS, IS HAMMERING OUT WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THESE PRIORITIES? WHAT IS THE COUNCIL GOING TO DO WITH THEM? IS IT A DOCUMENT THAT IS REVISED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND OTHERWISE PROVIDED TO THE MAYOR AND TO CORBIN STAFF AS REQUESTED, OR IS THERE A IS THERE A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS THIS PRIORITY DOCUMENT TO BE TO ACTUALLY END UP BEING? ARE YOU ASKING? YES. OKAY. WELL, I THINK I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTICE, TO NOTE ON THIS THAT THEY ARE ALL PRIORITIES, RIGHT? THEY MADE THE LIST BECAUSE THEY WERE PRIORITIES. NOW PRIORITIZE THE PRIORITIES IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD DO. BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THE STUFF AT THE BOTTOM IS NOT ALSO A PRIORITY. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THESE ARE NOT I MEAN, WHEN YOU RANK THEM LIKE THIS, IT'S KIND OF IT'S ALMOST PRESENTS YOU WITH A FALSE CHOICE BECAUSE SOME OF THESE ARE EQUAL, BUT YOU CAN'T EQUALLY RANK THEM. SOME[01:25:06]
FALL UNDER OTHERS. LIKE IF YOU DID REALLY GOOD WITH CIVIC EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS, I THINK GET TO THE PART OF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE COMMUNICATION FROM THE EXTERNAL PROMOTIONAL, AND SOME OF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE DIVERSITY COMMUNITY. THAT'S PART OF THAT. RIGHT? SO YOU GOT THINGS THAT ARE THAT OVERLAP AND INTERTWINE IN DIFFERENT WAYS. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THIS AND GO, YEAH, LET'S ALL JUST FOCUS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANNING. IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO LOOK AT IT. I THINK IT WAS AN ORDER FOR DISCUSSION, NOT FOR ORDER. SO THAT MAY BE SO BECAUSE WE CAN'T DISCUSS ALL AT ONCE. AND FOR ME FOR RANKING PUBLIC ARTS AND ESTHETICS. BEING TOGETHER WAS REALLY HARD. TO SEPARATE THOSE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS YOU'RE NOT FINALIZING ANYTHING. AND IF WE GET TO THE POINT AS WE MOVE ON THIS CONVERSATION AND YOU DECIDE WE WANT TO COMBINE CATEGORIES, I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE. OR IF WE YEAH, IF WE DID THAT WITH A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS IN THE LAST COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING. SO WE SEPARATED A FEW IF WE NEED TO COMBINE OTHERS. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS IS AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WILL TELL YOU THAT NONE OF THESE WILL MAKE SOME OF THESE PRIORITIES ARE WAY DOWN. SO, SO I'M, I'M, I'M THE ODD BECAUSE SO I'LL JUST SAY ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING IS MY NUMBER TWO. I HAD A DIFFERENT CHOICE FROM NUMBER ONE, BUT IT'S OBVIOUS FROM THE COUNCIL AS A GROUP THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING IS REALLY THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. SO WHAT THAT TELLS ME, ALONG WITH CITY IDENTITY AND BY THE WAY, THOSE ARE PROBABLY CLOSELY TIED TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT. BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT. BUT IF WE THE REASON WHY I THINK THE RANKING IS IMPORTANT IS THAT IF WE HAVE. SOMETHING. SO I'M GOING TO USE AN EXAMPLE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN EMAILS THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. THIS IS NOT TO PICK ON ANYBODY, IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE BRIDGE OVER ON 2200 WEST. THE PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING THAT IT'S UGLY. RIGHT. AND THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE QUESTIONING ABOUT THE SAFETY. WELL, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALLOCATING MONEY AND WE SAY, HEY, THERE MAY BE THIS PROJECT OR THIS LITTLE BRIDGE OVER ON 2200 WEST. IS THE COUNCIL WANT TO FUND IT? WHERE DOES THAT FALL ON THIS LIST OF OUR PRIORITIES THAT WE'VE ALREADY SAID AND THAT I THINK THAT HELPS US DRIVE THE DISCUSSION. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE CAN SAY, LOOK, IT HELPS CITY IDENTITY, WHICH IS NUMBER TWO, AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC WORKS NUMBER FOUR. MAYBE THAT'S A PRIORITY IN SOME FUNDING THAT WE NEED TO DO WHERE IF SOMEBODY CAME TO US AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY CAME TO US AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO SPEND THE SAME, I'LL JUST USE A HYPOTHETICAL WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO US AND SAYS, WELL, WE WANT TO SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THE BRIDGE OR SOME LED STREET LIGHTS TO REPLACE STREETLIGHTS. DO WE ALREADY HAVE? WELL, DOES THIS DOES THIS LIST HELP US MAKE THAT DECISION? BECAUSE WE SAY, WELL, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER ON THE LIST. OUR HIGHER PRIORITY LIST IS ESTHETICS AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THE LIMITED RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE. I THINK THAT HELPS US. THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON RANKING THESE AND USING THESE KIND OF IN AN ORDER IS THAT IT HELPS US MAKE DECISIONS ON SOME LIMITED RESOURCES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY WE HAVE THE RANKING. WE DID THE SURVEYS. LET'S WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES IN ECONOMIC PLANNING? LET'S JUST START TALKING ABOUT IT. WELL, THERE WERE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU WANT TO GO THERE. NOW WE CAN I ASKED TWO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WHICH WAS IN THE PREVIOUS COMMITTEE. THE WHOLE MEETING IT WAS DO YOU SUPPORT THE CREATION OF A VISION STATEMENT THAT WOULD BE CITY WIDE IF YOU. IF YOU WANTED TO GO THAT DIRECTION? QUESTION. HOW DO WE END UP WITH EIGHT ON THE NUMBERS WAS AN IMPARTIAL NOTE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I THERE WAS A SAMPLE THAT I DID WHEN I READ IT. BACK IN MARSHALL ON EVERYTHING. SO YEAH, A GOOD QUESTION. LIKE WHAT IS IT DOING THAT. YEAH. SO VERY GOOD QUESTION. SO IGNORE THE ONE. AND IF I NEED TO I'LL CLARIFY WHICH VOTE I WAS, BUT I WAS IMPARTIAL. I'M PRETTY SURE BOTH OF THEM. SO OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR BOTH BOTH HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS IF YOU WERE TO DIRECT FOR THEM TO[01:30:06]
HAPPEN. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO DIRECT FOR A VISION STATEMENT TO BE CREATED CITYWIDE, THERE WAS OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR THAT. AS WELL AS CREATING A MISSION STATEMENT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL ITSELF. AND THEN I ASKED A FOLLOW UP QUESTION IF YOU WERE INTERESTED ON BEING ON A SUBCOMMITTEE, IF THAT AGAIN, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO THE WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU THOUGHT ABOUT. I SAID, YOU PUT YOUR NAME DOWN ON BOTH SO THAT YOU KNEW, BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ASSIGNED TO IT. RIGHT? YEP. YEAH. SO BUT YEAH.SO THAT WAS THE SURVEY ONLY ONLY THOSE THREE QUESTIONS WITH THE TWO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. SO. BUT CHAIR IF YOU UNLESS YOU FEEL OTHERWISE IF YOU WANTED TO JUST START TALKING DISCUSSING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANNING OR COME TO CONCLUSION. THIS BODY IS UP FIRST. SO I THINK THIS TELLS US OKAY ECONOMIC PLANNING WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES IN THAT SECTION. LET'S PICK ONE TO TALK ABOUT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU GUYS. KNOW. AND THAT'S. WANT TO START AT THE BOTTOM I DON'T CARE BECAUSE LIKE ZACH SAID NONE OF THEM ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER. THIS IS JUST A LIST AS A PRIORITY OKAY. THEY'RE ALL PRIORITIES, BUT SOME ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS. SO IF THEY'RE LISTED HERE IN THE FIRST. THEY HAVE NO ONE'S HERE FROM ECO DEVELOPMENT. OH NO, WE DON'T NEED THEM. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT FIRST. THEN WE CAN TELL THEM, WELL, THAT'S TRUE, BUT I THINK A LIST SOMEWHERE THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF. WELL, HE HE PUT THESE IN CATEGORIES. YEAH. THEY'RE CATEGORIZED. WE DO HAVE THE ORIGINAL. OH THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THOSE CATEGORIES. NOT THAT WE HAVE. I DIDN'T PUT THE INDIVIDUAL PRIORITIES UNDER EACH CATEGORY. WE COULD CREATE THAT. BUT IF I MAY CIRCLE BACK TO ONE OF MY FIRST QUESTIONS. DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE A UNIFIED END GOAL WITH THESE PRIORITIES, AND IF SO, IS THAT UNDERSTOOD BY ALL SEVEN? I WOULD, I WOULD NOT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE UNIFIED END GOAL OF THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, I THINK IT HAS TO BE A JOINT END GOAL, IS THAT THAT WOULD BE THE VISION OF THE CITY. AND IF WE'RE IN A WE'VE GOT A VISION, THEN WE NEED TO WORK ON THE VISION BECAUSE THAT'S THE END GOAL. THESE 12 STEPS ARE RUNGS IN A LADDER TO GET TO AN END STATE. THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WORK, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION IS THAT THESE ARE RUNGS IN A LADDER. HELP US GET TO THE END STATE OF CREATING AN ULTIMATE VISION. THE ULTIMATE VISION OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO? WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE? WHERE DO WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE? PART OF THAT'S GENERAL PLAN. BUT I THINK IF WE HAVE A VISION, THEN THAT HELPS US SAY WHAT KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WE WANT IN THE CITY, WHAT WE WANT THE CITY IDENTITY TO BE AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT CIVIC EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS AND, AND ZACH, I AGREE WITH YOU. SOME OF THESE ARE INTERTWINED, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE CIVIC EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS INCLUDES EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION, BUT IT MAY ALSO INCLUDE A LOT OF DIVERSITY AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AS WE DO THE RIGHT CIVIC EVENTS. THEN WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE WANT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT HAS TO BE WHAT WE WANT THE CITY TO LOOK LIKE NOW AND FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND TEN YEARS FROM NOW, NO, NO, NO, NO. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. SO I ASKED EVERYBODY FROM THE PRIORITIES, EVERYONE PUT DOWN 7 TO 10. ONE OF MINE WAS I WANT A BETTER RODEO GROUNDS. WE DON'T. THE STANCE THAT THAT WAS ONE OF MY PRIORITIES. DOES THAT GO ALONG WITH VISION? YOU BET. BUT I DID.
THAT PRIORITY WASN'T ABOUT VISION. NO, IT'S ABOUT GETTING BETTER STANCES IN. THAT I WOULD LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE THAT'S NOT PART OF MY WEST JORDAN VISION. SAY, OH, WHAT'S YOUR VISION? BETTER RODEO STANCE. SO I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR PRIORITIES. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T MEMORIZE THEM. I DON'T EITHER. BUT IF YOU IF YOU'VE GOT ONE, IF YOU'VE GOT ONE, REMEMBER THAT FAR BACK. MOST OF THE TIME IF YOU'VE GOT ONE, LET'S PUT IT ON THE TABLE AND SEE WHAT THE SEVEN OF US THINK. AND THEN WE EITHER WORK ON THAT ONE PRIORITY OR WE SAY, NO, THAT'S NOT A PRIORITY.
AND I DON'T DISAGREE. BUT WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS, OKAY, WE NEED TO. SO LET'S SAY WE'RE COMING UP ON A BUDGET. MAYOR IS PREPARING A BUDGET A PLAN. HE HASN'T SPENT ANY TIME ON THIS, BY THE WAY, AT ALL. RIGHT. I'M JUST GIVING YOU A HARD TIME. THIS. THE MAYOR IS WORKING ON A BUDGET. AND LET'S JUST LET'S JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SAY WE HAVE SOME DISCRETIONARY MONEY. I KNOW THAT THAT'S A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS. MOST OF THE TIME, IT'S $3. WHY DON'T WE REUSE THAT?
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WELL, THAT'S IDENTITY, BUT IF WE HAD SOME DISCRETIONARY MONEY, CHAD, AND WE HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN A RODEO RODEO ARENA STANCE, WHICH, BY THE WAY, I THINK NEEDS TO BE IN THE BUDGET RODEO ARENA STAND. AND A LET'S SAY IT'S A CONCRETE, CONCRETE FLOOR IN THE RODEO ARENA FOR YOUTH ROLLER HOCKEY. WE GOT TO MAKE THAT DECISION RIGHT. WHICH ONE IS THE ONE WE WANT? WHICH ONE FALLS INTO PRIORITY BETTER. AND THAT'S WHAT I DO. HOW ABOUT THIS? FIXING THE RODEO STANDS OR FIXING THE BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER THE RIVER AT 7800 SOUTH. IT'S FLOODED EVERY YEAR. THOSE ARE TWO VERY REAL NEEDS. AND THE COUNCIL AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD JUST DO BOTH, BUT. WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE CAN USE THESE PRIORITIES TO, TO DIRECT OUR EFFORTS. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DECIDE IS WHAT DO WE WANT OUR CITY IDENTITY TO BE? DO WE WANT TO BE A SPORTS CITY? DO WE WANT TO BE WE WANT TO BE THE CITY WHERE PEOPLE COME TO? OR DO WE WANT THE CITY TO BE A PLACE PEOPLE LIVE? WHAT DO WE WANT OUR CITY? THE NEXT TIME SOMEONE FROM OUR CITY ASKS OUR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF OUR CITY? WHAT DO WE WANT THE RESPONSE TO BE? I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE NEED TO START IS WHAT DO WE WANT? BECAUSE THEN WE KNOW, OKAY, IF WE WANT TO BE KNOWN MORE AS A RODEO CITY, EMBRACE THAT. AND SURE, THEN THAT'S WHERE OUR MONEY NEEDS TO BE SPENT. IF WE WANT TO BE KNOWN AS THE PLACE TO GO TO PLAY BECAUSE IT USED TO HAVE SENATOR FIELDS AND YOU'VE GOT A FULL SKATE PARK AND YOU'VE GOT A WATER FEATURE AND YOU'VE GOT THESE THINGS, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE INVEST. SO I THINK FOR ME, REALLY WORKING ON OUR IDENTITY AND MAYBE OUR VISION STATEMENT MIGHT BE THE PLACE WE NEED TO START BECAUSE I THINK THOSE WILL GUIDE US WITH WHERE THESE OTHERS FALL IN LINE. BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, ALL OF THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THEY'RE REALLY MOST ALL OF THEM ARE IMPORTANT FOR A CITY TO FUNCTION. RIGHT.SO TO ME, I THINK WE NEED TO COME TO A COHESIVE AND I AND FOR THIS, I THINK REALLY THE MAYOR SHOULD COME TO THE TABLE AND SAY, WHAT DO WE WANT THE CITY TO BE? IS IT JUST A PLACE WE COME TO SLEEP? YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I ACTUALLY HAD AN INTERESTING EXERCISE TO ME THIS LAST WEEK, AND I WAS IN A. A GOAL SETTING LITTLE THING. AND, AND THE THING THAT WAS SAID BY THE PRESENTER WAS, PICTURE THE PERSON YOU WANT TO BE FIVE, TEN, SEVEN, TEN, WHATEVER YEARS FROM NOW. RIGHT. AND THEN DESCRIBE THAT. WHAT IS IT? WHAT DOES THAT PERSON LOOK LIKE PHYSICALLY? WHAT DOES THAT PERSON LOOK LIKE FINANCIALLY? WHAT THAT PERSON LOOKS LIKE EMOTIONALLY, WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES YOUR FAMILY LOOK LIKE? WHAT YOU KNOW, ALL THIS STUFF. WHAT DO YOU WANT THAT TO LOOK LIKE? PICTURE YOURSELF 15 YEARS FROM NOW AND DESCRIBE IT RIGHT. SOME OF US DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. BUT DESCRIBE. DESCRIBE YOUR LIFE. 15 YEARS FROM NOW, I'M GOING TO SAY I JUST WANT TO BE ALIVE, RIGHT? NO PACEMAKER. THAT'S MY GOAL. ALL RIGHT. BUT IF WE TAKE THE WHAT DO WE WANT THE CITY TO LOOK LIKE? LET'S JUST SAY 20 YEARS FROM NOW. NOW LET'S AND THINK BIG. THINK IDEAL. RIGHT. BECAUSE IF WE THINK IDEAL AND WE PUT THIS VISION OUT THERE AND WE GET HALF OF IT, COOL. THAT'S HALF CLOSER THAN WE ARE NOW, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE STARTING AT THE IF YOU'RE STARTING AT THE END ZONE AND YOU GET HALFWAY, YOU'RE AT THE 50 YARD LINE, RIGHT? YOU MAY NOT IN THE END ZONE, BUT YOU'RE NOT STILL IN THE END ZONE. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'D BE KIND OF COOL, MAYBE AS AN EXERCISE IN THIS CITY IDENTITY AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. MAYBE THIS IS GREAT.
CATEGORIES. THE ONSET OF PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL AND WHATEVER. MAYBE THIS IS GREAT CATEGORIES TO USE OKAY. 20 YEARS. WHAT DO WE WANT OUR CIVIC EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS TO LOOK.
WHAT DO WE WANT OUR PUBLIC ART AND ESTHETICS TO LOOK LIKE? WHAT DO WE WANT TRANSPORTATION TO LOOK LIKE THAT GOES UP INTO THE BIG VISION AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ZACH INWOOD TO COUNCILMEMBER WHITLOCK SAID. WE SAID IT EARLIER THAT IT'S THE VISION. AND NOW ALL OF THIS IS UNDER THE IS UNDER THAT VISION. SO THAT IS THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO HAVE. AND COUNCILMEMBER WHITLOCK IS EXACTLY RIGHT. WE THAT WILL GUIDE US IN EVERYTHING WE SAY FOR THAT. BECAUSE IF WE
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SAY OUR VISION IS THIS, BUT THEN WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE THINGS AND IT'S OUT OF THE VISION THAT WE KNOW WE'RE NOT WE'RE WRONG IN THAT. WE NEED TO FIX THAT. I'VE ALWAYS GONE BY THE IDEA OF, YOU CAN'T RUN A RACE UNTIL YOU KNOW WHERE THE FINISH LINE IS, OR ELSE YOU'RE ALL JUST RUNNING. AND SO THAT'S I KNOW THAT'S THAT EVERY DAY WE DO IT TOO MUCH TO FINISH LINES AT HOME. YOU ALWAYS GO HOME. WELL, I BARELY GET THERE. BUT IF WE DO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE IN 20 YEARS AND MAKE THAT OUR FINISH LINE? WHAT WILL IT TAKE FROM US TO DO IN THE LIMITED TIME THAT WE HAVE? AND THIS COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, EXPANDED AND WE KEEP DOING, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO IN OUR TIME HERE TO MOVE THE BALL CLOSER TO THAT FINISH LINE? YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE A MISSION, VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. WELL. THOSE MAY WE MAY HAVE THE WE MAY HAVE THE 12 GUIDING PRINCIPLES ALREADY. WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THEM OUT LIKE ZACH SAYS, DO WE NEED TO TAKE THAT GUIDING PRINCIPLE AND SAY, WHAT DOES ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY LOOK LIKE? BUT I'M SITTING HERE THINKING, THOSE ARE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, THAT THE VISION IS. THE VISION AND MISSION ARE SET ON. AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THE CITY, THE OVERALL VISION, CITY IDENTITY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPRESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS PUBLIC ART DO IF WE IF WE JUST SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, AND I'M NOT ATTACKING THE PUBLIC ART, BUT IF WE DO IT HAPHAZARDLY, IT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE NEED. AND IF ALL WE HAVE IS, WELL, IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROUNDABOUT, WELL, FOR A WHILE WE'LL THINK THAT ROUNDABOUTS REALLY COOL AND THEY'LL DRIVE TO SEE IT, BUT AT THE END OF IT WE'LL HAVE A MARATHON. NO, NO NO WE'RE GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE THE END POINT. NO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM. DID YOU KNOW THEY HAD A DIDN'T THEY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A MARATHON OR FIVE LEFT. YEAH. SO YEAH. QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ASK IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS OUR CITY'S GREATEST STRENGTHS AND WHAT CHALLENGES DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS. WHAT IS OUR STRENGTH? WHAT IS OUR CITY STRENGTH? DO WE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? I THINK OUR BIGGEST STRENGTH IS THAT WE ARE IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE SANDY CITY IS IN THE HEART OF THE VALLEY. BUT WE ARE WE'RE WE'RE IN THE MAJOR. EVERYTHING HAS TO, IN A WAY, FLOW THROUGH WEST JORDAN AND WE'RE. A GEOGRAPHY OF THEIR STRENGTH. YEAH. AND THEY'RE HAVING A FLOW THROUGH CROWDED ARTERIES RIGHT NOW. WE'RE WE'RE A YOU KNOW, WE'RE A OUR STRENGTH IS OUR STRENGTH IS REALLY GOOD AT BLOCKING 13TH WEST ARTERY. WE'RE A CONNECTED CITY. YEAH.WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THE HEART. I'M SAYING WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR ARTERIES ARE PRETTY CLOGGED. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE. AND MOST EVERYTHING COMES THROUGH US. AND WHAT WE HAVE A LOT OF IN MY VISION IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE IN THIS HEART AND THEN GO OUT AND THEN WE COME BACK TO SLEEP. I'VE SAID THE WORD, YOU KNOW, A HUGE BEDROOM COMMUNITY. I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE. I WOULD THINK THAT WE COULD EVEN LOOK OUT THIS WINDOW AND SAY, WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE OUT THAT WINDOW IN FOUR YEARS? AND THAT MIGHT GIVE US A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE SEE IN OUR CITY. VOTED ON THAT. BUT. ISN'T THAT A NO? IT'S THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN.
YEAH. AND I WOULD CONTEND THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN WE GET THIS DEVELOPED AND I LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN LOOKS GREAT. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FRUITION THAT'S GREAT. BUT IS THAT GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. WE ASK A NEW GOVERNOR OR A LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WEST JORDAN? ARE THEY GOING TO SAY, NO, I DON'T KNOW. ARE THEY GOING TO REALLY KNOW? IT'LL HELP THEM. BUT HERE'S THERE'S A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. ANOTHER AUSTIN, TEXAS, THEIR VISION STATEMENT IS TO BE THE BEST MANAGED CITY IN THE COUNTRY. PORTLAND, OREGON IS SUSTAINABLE CITY WHERE PEOPLE AND NATURE THRIVE TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONNECTED. A DYNAMIC, CONNECTED CITY THAT FOSTERS INNOVATION, LIVABILITY AND OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL. OKAY, THERE'S SOME GREAT VISION STATEMENTS, MISSION STATEMENTS OUT THERE, BUT WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT AND THEN GO WITH IT. I REALLY THINK THAT I REALLY THINK THAT THAT THIS IDEA, THOUGH, OF ENVISIONING THE CITY IN 20 YEARS, WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE? SHOULD SHOULD BE WHAT WE GAVE TO THE GENERAL PLAN COMMITTEE. AND I FEAR THAT WHEN WE ASK PEOPLE, WHAT DO YOU WANT WEST JORDAN TO BE? THEY SAY, LEFT ALONE. THEY SAY, I DON'T WANT IT TO CHANGE. I LIVE HERE FOR A REASON. DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING. I LIKE THE WAY IT IS. YEAH, THEY'RE ALSO THE SAME ONES
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THAT COME AND SAY, WHERE'S MY TRADER JOE'S? WHERE'S MY STEAKHOUSE? OR WHERE'S MY COSTCO? YEAH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME. SO AND THEY'RE THE SAME ONES THAT SAY, I'M TIRED OF FAST FOOD AND CAR WASHES, BUT. RIGHT. YEAH, BUT YOU DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING. CHANGE STUFF. SO I THINK IT HELPS IF WE GET TOGETHER AND SAY, HERE'S A 20 YEAR PLAN. WE'RE NOT EVEN NOT EVEN A PLAN, A 20 YEAR VISION. I LIKE THE IDEA OF DEFINING, I THINK THIS THESE CATEGORIES NEED TO BE TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT. LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT ESTHETICS AND IDENTITY NEED TO GO TOGETHER AN.20. YOU KNOW STILL KIND OF IS YOU KNOW SOME OF THIS NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED. BUT I THINK ONCE WE GET THOSE CATEGORIES TWEAKED, I THINK WE NEED TO FLESH THEM OUT. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THEM AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S A CATEGORY. WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE IN 20 YEARS? AND I BET WE COME TO I KNOW WE ALL HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT VISIONS HERE, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT SEVEN SIMILAR VISIONS. FOR THE MOST PART, WE DON'T WANT TO BE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY. I WAS TOLD BY A PREVIOUS IMMEDIATELY I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, FOR ME THAT. AND THEN I THINK WE ALSO LOOK AT THESE AND SEE, YEAH, WE'RE TALKING 20 YEARS OUT, BUT WHAT ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN START WORKING ON. WHAT'S A YEAR OUT.
WHAT'S WHAT'S THREE YEARS OUT. WHAT'S FIVE YEARS. AND YOU KNOW, AND THE VISION SPEECH WAY DOWN.
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
SO LET'S ALL GET BEHIND COUNCILMEMBER WHITELOCK'S AMUSEMENT PARK. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, AND YOU LIVE THERE. YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THE OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE STATE. CEDAR CITY HAS MADE A GREAT REFERENCE, GOT A GREAT REPUTATION FOR BEING THE SHAKESPEARE CITY, RIGHT.
FESTIVAL, CITY OR FESTIVAL, THAT IS BASED ON THE SHAKESPEAREAN AND THE SCIENCE SUMMER GAMES WERE IN SAINT GEORGE. AND THEY'RE ALL OVER THE FESTIVAL, INCLUDING THE SAINT GEORGE WAS
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ONE. THERE IS A SENIOR. OKAY. BUT YOU KNOW, THEY GOT THE LOGAN'S GOT THAT ARTS OPERA SOMETHING OR OTHER IN THE SUMMER. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO BRING, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF EVENTS ON A REGULAR BASIS TO WEST JORDAN. SO. WELL, WELL, I TOLD YOU THAT WE COULD DO COMEDY IMPROV FESTIVAL, WE COULD DO A STAND UP FESTIVAL, WE COULD DO A COMEDY FILM FESTIVAL, AND WE COULD DO A FUN OUTDOOR COMEDY EVENT LIKE THE RODEO GROUNDS.BETTER THAN JUST THE RODEO ONCE A YEAR. YEAH. DEFINITELY. THANK YOU, MR. TRUCKS. BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, CHAD. ONE OF THE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT AS PART OF THE CITY IDENTITY, THE VENUE THAT WE UTILIZE. OH YOU'RE RIGHT. HOW DO WE USE THE RODEO ARENA TO DO SOME OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO BRING PEOPLE IN? YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND WE CAN DO COOL OUTDOOR EVENTS THERE. THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST RODEO AND DEMOLITION DERBY THAT AN ARENA LIKE THAT. SO DRONE RACES. YEAH, WE COULD DO SOME PRETTY INTERESTING THINGS, BUT IT'S NOT A SOCCER TEAM. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY THE UP AND COMING. SO WE REALLY IT WAS A PROFESSIONAL LACROSSE. BUT CAITLIN YOU'RE NOT FAR OFF. IT WASN'T BEING FACETIOUS I KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RODEO ARENA AND THAT ALLOWS US TO BRING LACROSSE, ROLLER HOCKEY AND MULTIPLE THINGS, IS THAT THE INVITING THAT WE WANT. AND WE'VE GOT TO SAY, YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE IMAGE OF THE CITY THAT WHAT WE WANT. AND I, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS TRYING TO SAY WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND FIND DIFFERENT LITTLE THINGS THAT GO ON SOMEWHERE IN THE WORLD THAT WE COULD BRING HERE INSTEAD. I MEAN, IT WAS A WEIRD ONE THAT POPPED IN. I HAD A FRIEND WHO WAS A PROFESSIONAL QUIDDITCH PLAYER, AND THEY TRAVELED TO TOURNAMENTS ALL OVER THE PLACE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT I MEAN, WE COULD FIND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE GOING ALL NIGHT. YEAH. OH, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE COOL. AND I KNOW THE PEOPLE, SO I DISAPPEARANCE. I THINK I'VE SEEN A LITTLE PRACTICE. YEAH. WELL AND THERE WAS. THEY PAID SO MUCH MONEY TO THOSE LIGHTS AND SHINING ARMOR AND THEY SPENT SO MUCH DO THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE COULD BUILD THEM, WE COULD BUILD SOMETHING AROUND THAT AND BRING THEY HAVE TOURNAMENTS ALL OVER THE WORLD TO JUST DECORATE THE RODEO ARENA. SO MAYBE WE CAN THINK OF WHAT WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT WE HAVE THAT WE CAN USE TO INVITE JEFF. WELL, BOB, THERE WAS ONE THE OTHER DAY THAT I SAW, AND I SHOOK MY HEAD BECAUSE I DIDN'T.
I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THAT WORLD, BUT I SWEAR THAT THERE WAS ONE OVER IN MIDVALE ACROSS THE RIVER, AND IT WAS LIKE THIS SMALL PRINT CALLIGRAPHY, SOMETHING CONVENTION THAT PEOPLE, WHAT THE HECK IS THIS? BUT THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. CONVINCED THE TRAIN STATION FOLKS. AND THAT TO ME WOULD BE COOL TO FIND JUST THE RIGHT SIZE THAT FITS CALLIGRAPHY THINGS WE DON'T. WE DON'T NEED THE OUTDOOR, YOU KNOW, THINGS WE COULD DO. THE OUTDOOR EXPO.
YEAH, WE DON'T NEED THAT BECAUSE WE CAN DO THE SMALLER ONES. WE NEED ALLEN'S MODEL TRAIN SOCIETY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT KIND OF THING WOULD BE GOOD. BUT IF WE CAN COME UP WITH WAYS THAT INVITE PEOPLE IN, CAN I? YOU HAVE NOT SAID FERRIS MILL ONCE. WHERE IS THAT? WHERE ARE YOU THAT I. KNOW CONTAINER PARK? YOU GUYS HAVE IGNORED ME ON THAT ONE. BRO. I LOVE YOU. I NEVER IGNORED YOU. I WAS JUST JOKING ABOUT THE CONTAINER PARK NEXT TO THE EXPO CENTER SO THAT IT GIVES THE PEOPLE TO LEAVE THE EXPO CENTER. SOMETHING TO WANDER THROUGH AND SEE. AND I WOULD LOVE THAT BECAUSE THEN IT'S NEAR THE BASEBALL PARK. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE THE BASEBALL PARK, THEY COME TO THE CONTAINER PARK WHERE THEY CAN PLAY AND DO ALL KINDS OF CONTAINER WORK IN THE PARK TONIGHT, IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, THOUGH? I FEEL LIKE WE'VE. I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THIS SONG TONIGHT, OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING OR WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO? I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST INSIDE THOSE PRIORITIES YOU MENTIONED, LIKE KATHLEEN'S IDEA OF DRAFTING TOGETHER THE VISION AND THE CITY IDENTITY THAT ZACK'S TALKING ABOUT. OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS OF WHAT'S OUR VISION IN THE 20 YEARS AND PUTTING AND WORKING WITH IT, AND HAVE THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE INVOLVED SO THAT IT'S A JOINT. THIS IS WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 20 YEARS, AND ADDRESS THE VISION AND THE CITY IDENTITY, LIKE ZACK'S TALKED ABOUT, LIKE KATHLEEN'S TALKED ABOUT. I THINK
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THAT'S THE PLACE TO START. SO ARE YOU GOING TO SAY I WAS JUST SAYING, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF WHO WOULD WANT TO BE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THAT, IF THAT WAS THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE, UNLESS, UNLESS YOU WANTED TO COME BACK TO A WORK SESSION BEFORE IT GOT TO THAT POINT, IF YOU WANTED EVERYONE TO BRING IDEAS YOU'D LIKE FOR PEOPLE, OR WOULD IT BE FOR EVERY LAST ONE TO NOTICE EVERYTHING? THREE PLUS THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND STUFF MAY BE ABLE TO START WITH SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE AS A BASELINE THAT THE REST OF US COULD. I THINK WE'D HAVE TO START, THOUGH, BY GIVING THEM SOME DIRECTION. LIKE WHAT IF MAYBE GOING AROUND AND SAYING, WHAT IS OUR VISION AND SEE WHERE WE ALIGN? IT WOULD BE KIND OF COOL ONE WAY. I MEAN, ONE WAY TO DO THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AT THE RETREAT WITH THE WHITEBOARD, BUT MAYBE NOT PUBLIC OUT LOUD LIKE THAT, BUT MAYBE DO A SURVEY LIKE THIS. YOU SEND AROUND AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION WHAT'S YOUR WHAT IS YOUR 20 YEAR VISION FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? WHAT IS YOUR WORD CLOUD FROM IT THAT WE CAN MAKE A WORD CLOUD FROM? AND WOULD YOU LIKE THAT INFORMATION TO COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, OR WOULD YOU PREFER THAT, OR WOULD THAT GO STRAIGHT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEN THEY GET AWAY WITH IT? SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, I WOULD DO A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OR 1 OR 2 WORDS THAT DEFINE YOUR VISION. SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WE'RE NOT A BEDROOM COMMUNITY. I JUST WANT YOU. WELL OKAY, I'LL SAY THE PHRASE THAT'S THREE PHRASES. YOU CAN PUT YOUR BEDROOMS IN YOUR CITY. AND EVERYONE WROTE A SENTENCE OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY TO BE, AND WE TAKE THOSE AND DO I WOULD DO THE MAYOR ON THAT ONE TOO. AND NOT JUST THE BIKES. YOU KNOW, I WOULD INCLUDE ANY SURVEY THAT WE DO ON THIS RIGHT NOW I WOULD INCLUDE YEAH I AGREE. SPEAKING OF EVENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, JUST FYI, THERE'S A FIVE, TEN AND A HALF THIS WEEKEND STARTING AT. AND YOU DON'T KNOW I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. WHERE IT IS. SO IT STARTS OUT AT ME RIGHT? YEAH. IT STARTS AT GARDEN VILLAGE. IT IS OUT AND BACK AND IT ENDS AT GARDNER VILLAGE LIKE A 10-K AND A HALF MARATHON. PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT GARDEN TO OUT TOWARDS SOUTH AND BACK. SO IT STARTS AT. YEAH IT'S ON THE ON THE TRAIL. HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT. IT'S FLOODED. IS IT FLOODED. YEAH.YEAH THAT WOULD PROBABLY ONE. THAT'S ANOTHER FIVE K TEN K. I. YEAH. TO TRY OUT THE BRIDGE.
MAYBE THEY'LL START ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE STARTING AFTER THAT LITTLE THEY START ON THE SOUTH SIDE STARTING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S PART OF MY QUESTION I GUESS I WOULD LEAD INTO THAT QUESTION IF GARDNER VILLAGE IS DOING THIS FIVE K 10-K FUN FUN WALK WHATEVER. HOW COME HOW CAN WE AS A COUNCIL AND AS A CITY BE INVOLVED WITH THAT? DO WE NEED TO HELP PUT UP SIGNS IN FRONT OF PIONEER HALL? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? SO WE NEED TO FIND THESE EVENTS AND BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE, WHICH IS COMMUNICATION AND RECOMMITTING TO THE DECIDE IF WE WANT GARDNER VILLAGE TO BE A CITY ASSET.
WHICH I FEEL IT IS, BUT I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT IS AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW I.E.
MAYBE GETTING TRAPPED COULD BE FREE FROM FROM THIS STATION AND THE ONE JUST OFF IN MIDVALE, END OF GARDNER VILLAGE STATION A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR. WE NEED TO START WORKING WITH THEM IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE DESIRE. AND FOR ME, QUITE FRANKLY, I DESIRE THAT. I THINK IT'S AN ASSET AND PEOPLE KNOW GARDNER VILLAGE. THAT COULD BE OUR PART OF OUR CITY'S IDENTITY IF THEY ONLY DO IT WITHIN OUR CITY. WELL, YOU TALK YOU TALK ABOUT THAT. AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT PASSED IN THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR OR NOT ON THE ON THE. THE TOURISM, THE TOURISM TAX. BUT. DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT OUR TOURISM. THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION AND BUDGET AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT DO WE WANT THE TOURISM TAX THAT WE GET FROM OUR HOTELS AND THOSE KIND OF AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MONEY IS OR ANY OF THAT STUFF WOULD TAKE SOME ANALYSIS, BUT DO WE WANT OUR TOURISM DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM THE HAMPTON AND THE MARRIOTT AND THE FEW HOTELS
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OUT AT JORDAN LANDING, AND DO WE WANT TO USE THAT MONEY OR SUPPLEMENT THAT MONEY SO THAT WE HAVE A FOR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, A TOURISM PROGRAM THAT BRINGS PEOPLE IN THAT WE CAN PARTNER WITH GARDNER VILLAGE OR WE CAN PARTNER WITH MAYBE A RENAISSANCE FAIR OR A RENAISSANCE FAIR, OR WE PARTNER WITH WASATCH ELECTRIC. SO THEY HAVE THE ELECTRIFYING FUN RUN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO? SO I WOULD SAY WE DON'T WE DON'T STOP WHERE WE'RE AT. BUT I LIKE BOB'S IDEA, MAYBE ALL OF US GIVING A SENTENCE, I DO A SENTENCE OR TWO, MAYBE LIMIT MY WORDS. YEP. BLOCKED OUT FROM FROM EVERY MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR. AND THEN WE CAN CONSULT WITH THEM AND MAKE IT A DECENT VISION. THAT'S THE VISION STATEMENT. SO THAT'S MY 20 YEAR VISION. THAT'S THAT'S PULLING IT DOWN TO A SENTENCE OR TWO I THINK IS NO A SENTENCE OR TWO FOR EACH ONE OF US. AND THEN YOU LOOK AND THEN GO FROM THERE TO WHERE. AND WE'LL HAVE A PARAGRAPH. IT'S NOT COMING UP WITH YOUR VISION. YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING LIKE GENERAL PLAN, SIGHT, VISION. THAT'S ALL I KNOW. OUT OF A SENTENCE OR TWO.BEACH. YEAH, YOU COULD DO IT, I THINK. I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF. AND I THINK YOU'D BE SURPRISED.
YEAH. BUT I THINK PUT A BIT OF VISION. BUT A VISION REALLY IS A VISION SHOULD BE ART, SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE ARTICULATED BY EVERY PERSON SITTING IN THIS ROOM. IT CAN'T BE. THE VISION OF WEST JORDAN IS. AND EVERYTHING WE DO IS TO THAT VISION. AND EVERY EMPLOYEE KNOWS WHAT THAT VISION IS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DRIVES THE MOTIVATION FOR THEM TO WORK HERE. I THINK WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, THOUGH. I'M TALKING ABOUT A BIGGER, MORE COMPREHENSIVE, DETAILED VISION. DO YOU WANT TO SEE FLYING CARS? I'M NOT I DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO. SO MAYBE I NEED TO REPHRASE THIS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS LAY OUT THE STEPS OF HOW TO GET FROM HERE TO THERE. NO, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT EITHER. I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THERE IS. HEY, 20 YEARS WEST JORDAN. LOOK AT THIS. WITH TRANSPORTATION, WE WILL HAVE ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS. DUDE. YEAH? ARE YOU. GET ALL OF OUR INTERSECTIONS WILL FUNCTION ABOVE, YOU KNOW, AT A LEVEL C OR WHATEVER. I'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE SUSTAINABLE ROAD FUNDING.
WE'LL HAVE I THINK THAT'S THE DETAIL THAT IS A SUB. THE VISION IS THIS. AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THINGS THAT FALL UNDER EACH ONE OF THOSE THAT ARE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT GET US TO THE BIG VISION THAT WE WANT. SOMETIMES I WONDER HOW WEST VALLEY. I'M NOT SAYING I FEEL THAT BEING 100% SUCCESSFUL, WHICH IS KIND OF SAD, BUT CLEARLY YEARS AGO THEY CAME UP WITH A PLAN, RIGHT? AND THEY HAD DIFFERENT. PARTNERS WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, AND THEY BUILD A HOTEL AND THEY BUILD A CITY CENTER, AND THEY HAD A MALL THAT RENOVATED AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'VE HAD THAT SEVERAL YEAR PLANS. SAME WITH TAYLORSVILLE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'VE HAD A PLAN TO MAKE IT SO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE IN THEIR CITY. AND EVERY YEAR I CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WHERE I WOULD LIKE US TO GET TO, TO KNOW, OKAY. WAY OVER THERE.
THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO GO TO. THAT'S GOING TO BE MY GOAL FOR THE CITY. AND THEN ALL THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE IN BETWEEN. BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT OCCUPANCY REALLY IS. IS IT 38 FOR ALL OF US OR IS IT 50 FOR US? AND I THINK WE'VE REALLY GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT. AND. HOW MUCH CAN YOU STAY IN THERE AS WELL? I SPOKE AT THE TIME I WAS GROWING UP. WEST VALLEY HAS BEEN PROGRESS IN SCHOOLS. AND SO WHAT THE RESIDENTS SEE IS ALWAYS PROGRESS, WHETHER IT'S A BUS RAPID TRANSIT, WHETHER IT'S A REMAKE OF THE MALL. BUT THERE'S TALENT AIRPORT STATION, WHICH TOOK ABOUT 15 YEARS TO PUT ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER. BUT WHAT THE RESIDENCY IS, THE CITY IS PROGRESSING BECAUSE THAT'S EVERYTHING WE DO IS AROUND. PROGRESS IS PROGRESS. AND THAT AND THAT'S BASICALLY THEIR VISION STATEMENT. I LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST AT LEAST A SIMPLE SURVEY OF THAT'S ALL PUT IN HAVING, FOR INSTANCE, OPTING OUT OF SOMETHING TO GET FEEDBACK
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FROM EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, AND THEN LOOK INTO CREATING A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR A COUCH, THE COFFEE SUB YOU ALREADY HAVE ON A CARD, AND THEN WE CAN BUILD FROM THERE. WE CAN COPY. YEAH. SO JUST SUMMARIZING THE UNDERSTOOD ACTION, GETTING FEEDBACK FROM EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE MAYOR LOOKING INTO CREATING A COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE TOWARDS PURSUING A VISION. IS THERE IS THERE SUPPORT FOR THAT OR ANYBODY WHO'S NOT IN SUPPORT OF THAT? I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T SEEN REAL SUCCESS WITH THIS. WITH THE PRIOR BODY IN SUBCOMMITTEE. SO I'M SKEPTICAL ON HOW WELL THOSE WILL WORK. BUT PROBABLY WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU CAN TAKE THREE OF US. DO THOSE THREE DRIVE THE VISION? WELL, THAT'S THE THING IS, IS ANY SUBCOMMITTEE IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE AND HAVE THEIR WORK WILL HAVE DRIVEN VISION ALREADY.RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE WHERE YOU STARTED, WHERE YOU ENDED, YOU CAN TAKE THAT END STATE WITH WHAT YOU STARTED AND FIX THE THIS OUT OF THE COMMITTEE. AND IT PROBABLY WOULD NEED MORE TIME, I THINK. RIGHT. I THINK THIS SUBCOMMITTEE I THINK THIS COULD BE THE SUBCOMMITTEE. I THINK IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN ADD THAT AS AN APRIL. SO WE COULD ADD AN EXTRA. WE HAVE A YOU HAVE A FIFTH OR YOU HAVE A SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE FULL LAY ON APRIL 29TH, FIFTH TUESDAY TO DEDICATE TIME IN THAT MEETING TO DO IT. SO THAT'S STILL SCHEDULED UNLESS YOU GUYS CANCEL IT. IT'S ON THE CALENDAR. I JUST DON'T CHECK JUST BECAUSE IT WAS SCHEDULED, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ONLY OUR TOP PRIORITIES. BUT NOW THE LAST TWO WEEKS, WE HAVE SO QUESTION WHEN WE GET THERE IS. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KEEP SIMPLY AS WE PLAN FOR MAY AND JUNE, A LOT OF THE WORK SESSION, IF NOT THE ONLY TOPIC OF ANY BUDGET. WELL, THIS IS A GOOD THIS IS A GOOD TOPIC FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. THIS IS THIS KIND OF A THING IT'S GOOD TO PUT AT THE BOTTOM OF EACH COMMITTEE THE WHOLE AGENDA JUST BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A TIME FILLER. WE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF FOR HOURS OR FOR TEN MINUTES. YEAH. BUT ONCE YOU GOT INTO THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES, YOU GET INTO SUBCATEGORIES. YEAH. SO YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT THEM. WE GOT OTHER TOPICS THAT NEED TO COME UP, DEVELOPMENTS AND CODE CHANGES AND WHATEVER CAN WE PUT THIS IN.
SO I HAVE LOTS OF CALISTHENICS IN THE CALISTHENICS WHAT WE DISCUSSED ARE CLEARLY WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN STAFF MEETING TODAY IS THIS THIS IS A MULTI MEETING PROCESS. IT'S LIKE EATING AN ELEPHANT ONE BITE AT A TIME. THE GOAL IS THAT THERE'S A DOCUMENT THAT THAT YOU CAN USE MULTIPLE YEARS IN GUIDING THE CITY. FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE COUNCIL THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL. OF THIS.
THIS ISN'T THAT AT 525 IT'S NOT A CALENDAR YEAR. 25. IT IS A SHORT TERM, MULTIPLE TERMS, KIND OF A DOCUMENT TO GUIDE EVERYTHING. I THINK THE LONG TERM IS LONG TERM. SO PERHAPS WHEN WARREN BRINGS BACK ARE WORDS, HE COULD ALSO BRING BACK THE WORDS FROM THE SURVEY. FOR.
US THAT SAME NIGHT TO HAVE THOSE FROM CITY RESIDENTS PERSPECTIVE, THERE WERE THINGS LIKE THERE WAS FIVE. FROM THE MOST RECENT SURVEY. YES. RESULTS FROM THAT. SO WOULD YOU OKAY. YEAH OKAY.
YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT OURS AND THEIRS AND MAKE SURE IT'D BE NICE IF THEY ALIGNED. YES. YEP. YEP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE ARE DONE FOR THE EVENING. THIS. POLICY IMPROVEMENT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.