Apr 22, 2025 Committee of the Whole

[CALL TO ORDER]

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SOMETHING LIKE A WRITING YOU TODAY. YEAH. HEY, COLE. TO ORDER THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING FOR APRIL 22ND, 2025. TODAY, ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS EXCEPT FOR COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM ARE IN ATTENDANCE AS SHE IS EXCUSED TODAY. WE WILL START TODAY BY

[a. Discussion of recommended amendments to Title 3 – City Procurement.]

THERE ARE OTHERS THAT YOU KNOW ARE ALL OVER IN BETWEEN NUMBERS, SOME THAT HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER WAYS OF DEFINING A SIGNIFICANT PARCEL. OUR HOPE IS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE THIS CODE FORWARD TODAY WITHOUT GETTING TOO FAR INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT POINT, SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO FREE STAFF UP, TO BE ABLE TO DO THE THINGS THEY NEED TO AND MOVE FORWARD WITH PROCUREMENTS IN AN EFFICIENT WAY THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. AND THIS DEFINITION, A SIGNIFICANT PARCEL IS KIND OF A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM THE PROCUREMENT SIDE OF THINGS.

CERTAINLY. WELCOME TO DISCUSSION IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REST OF THE CODE WITHOUT GETTING HELD BACK BY THAT SEPARATE CONVERSATION. HERE'S MY OPINION ON THIS. SIGNIFICANT PARCEL. OUR

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IT'S ANY MAYOR IN THE FUTURE THAT THEY SAY, WELL, I WANT TO JUST GIVE AWAY THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OR SELL IT. AND THEN WE THEN WE GO BACK AND WE REALIZE IT'S GOT EASEMENTS AND EVERYTHING ON IT, AND IT'S LIKE, BEN, GREG'S GOT TO WORRY ABOUT THE EASEMENT, AND BRIAN'S GOT TO WORRY ABOUT AN EASEMENT. SO I THINK THERE HAS TO BE MORE DISCUSSION OVER PROPERTIES WITH EASEMENTS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. NOW THAT DISCUSSION, IT'S NOT TO IF WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE OLD PROCESS NOW AND DEAL WITH THIS AND BASICALLY TRY TO GET THIS IN PLACE, AND THEN WE LOOK AT SOME OTHER THINGS. I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. I KNOW WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO RAISE YOUR HAND TO TALK. KELVIN. KELVIN'S GOT SOME GREAT POINTS.

COUNCILMEMBER GREEN'S GOT SOME GREAT POINTS. I'D LIKE TO ASK, THOUGH, WHAT WOULD WHAT HARM WOULD IT DO AS FAR AS FUNCTIONALITY? STAFF LIKE WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MIGHT BE UNFORESEEN? FOR ME, CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD BE CREATED IF WE JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, ANY PROPERTY BEING SOLD NEEDS TO COME FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. JUST ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN. CAN I ANSWER THAT? UTAH CODE 1082. OUR FAVORITE SECTION OF UTAH CODE.

BY THE WAY, UTAH CODE 1082 SAYS THE CITY CAN DEFINE AND IT REALLY IMPLIES THAT THE MAYOR HAS THE ABILITY TO. DISPOSE BECAUSE 1082 IS DISPOSAL OF ANYTHING IN WEST JORDAN, WHETHER IT'S FUNDS OR LAND OR PROPERTY. AND SO 1082 SAYS A MAYOR CAN DISPOSE OF A SIGNIFICANT PARCEL.

IT'S UP TO THE LESS THAN A SIGNIFICANT PARCEL, AND IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DEFINE WHAT A SIGNIFICANT PARCEL IS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT LANE FOR BOTH PEOPLE. I THINK 250 IS WAY TOO. I'M ALMOST THINKING 100 IS WAY TOO HIGH WITHOUT SOME OTHER THINGS IN PLACE. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR AS I WAS GOING TO SAY LANE, BUT I'LL USE EASEMENTS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR EASEMENTS ARE ALL THAT WE'RE ALL IN THE THAT ON THE RIGHT EASEMENTS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE, I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE YOU SELL A PROPERTY DOESN'T MEAN THE EASEMENT GOES AWAY. WELL, NO, BUT IT COULD COMPLICATE IT CAN COMPLICATE THINGS IF THERE'S AN EASEMENT. WE OWN IT, AND THEN WE SELL THE PROPERTY AND PROPERTY OWNER THEN GOES AND PUTS A BUILDING OVER THE EASEMENT. THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM. WE TEAR IT DOWN. I THINK WE'D BE MY OFFICE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PREPARE KIND OF SOME, SOME BETTER PERSPECTIVE ON THE ISSUES THAT ARE AT PLAY HERE. THIS IT WASN'T THE FOCUS OF THE PROVISIONS THAT WE'VE HAD HERE.

IT WASN'T REALLY OUR INTENTION TO COME IN AND DO THIS. SO IF THE COUNCIL HAS QUESTIONS I THINK ANOTHER WORK SESSION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO DIG INTO THAT AND TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE ISSUES. I THINK ALAN WAS WORKING ON SOME STUFF WITH THAT. YEAH, I'M PLANNING TO BRING THAT TO THE COUNCIL BACK IN SUMMER AFTER. I THINK HE'S ALREADY GOT SOME STUFF BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM. I'M OKAY IF WE DO WHAT WE DO NOW, REVERT BACK TO THE OLD ONE ON THE 100 K, AND THEN WHEN HE'S READY TO BRING THIS STUFF THAT HAS BEEN DONE THERE. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'M GOOD WITH HAVING THAT DISCUSSION. SO THE DELAY ON ANY MORE AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. IT IS CAUSING CHALLENGES FOR STAFF RIGHT NOW. THE DRAFT THAT YOU HAVE INCORPORATES, AS ALAN POINTED OUT, A NUMBER OF CHANGE.

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THAT'S WHY I SUGGEST IT SO. AND YOU'RE CHANGING IT ANYWAY. IT'S JUST TEMPORARY ANYWAY. I COULD SUPPORT 50. I THINK YOU'LL BE AWAY. JUST LOOKING FOR A DIRECTION FROM THE BODY. SO, AM I HEARING THAT EVERYTHING IS OKAY EXCEPT THE 50,000 100,000? THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'VE HEARD SO FAR. THERE'S ONE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE ONLINE. 354 OR 366 UNDER THE CLEAN VERSION. UNDER.

NO, NO, IT'S LINE 125. I LIKE IT'S UNDER DISBURSEMENT AND IT TALKS ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS IN THE DEFINITION. AND IT TALKS ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. BUT ONE THING IT DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT MADE ME WONDER IF IT SHOULD BE THERE IS THE PASSPORT OFFICE JUST BY WHAT THE OTHER THINGS THAT IT INCLUDES. SO IT'S REALLY JUST A QUESTION. SO CLEAN VERSION 123 OR 133 HAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS FOR. LINE NUMBERS THAT JUST GAVE IT TO YOU. 134 TO 140. I CAN'T HELP YOU. YEAH I DON'T SEE THE ANSWER TO THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. AND IF APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP. IF THERE'S A CHANGE WE NEED TO MAKE, I THINK WE COULD ADDRESS THAT WITH THE BUSINESS MEETING. IT SHOULD JUST BE MY COMMENT ON THE DISBURSEMENT SECTION. THAT BIG LONG SECTION. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO LIST 27 DIFFERENT THINGS IN THAT SECTION, GIVING THEM 28, 28? I MEAN, ANYWAY, I MEAN, YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT'S. TEN, 11 LINES WORTH OF STUFF. DO WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE 11 LINES WORTH OF STUFF TO DEFINE WHAT DISBURSEMENT IS, THE PAYING OF THE FOLLOWING GOODS AND LIABILITIES. I THINK THERE'S A BETTER. DOES IT HURT TO HAVE THEM IN THERE? YEAH. I MEAN WELL ALL IT DOES IS MAKE. SO WE CAN IT SAYS IT SAYS OKAY, BUT IF YOU GO IF YOU GO WITH BASIC, IF YOU GO WITH BASIC STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO DISBURSEMENT ON IS THOSE 20 THOSE 27 THINGS. IF IT USED THE WORD INCLUDES OR INCLUDING, IT COULD INCLUDE THOSE 28 PLUS MORE. SO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE MORE THAT. WELL BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE IS THERE WHEN WE HAVE WHEN YOU HAVE A LIST, IS THERE A WAY TO CAPTURE IT DIFFERENTLY TO SAY A DISBURSEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE AUTHORIZED TO BE ALLOCATED

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SO WHAT WHAT I'LL SAY ON THAT IS THAT WASN'T PART OF THE RED LINES THAT WE CONTEMPLATED. SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, BUT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT ONE MORE TIME BEFORE IT COMES BACK FROM THE BUSINESS MEETING. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT I OBVIOUSLY IF THE COUNCIL FEELS DIFFERENTLY THAN WE COULD BRING IT BACK TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, BUT I HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO JUST ADDRESS THAT BEFORE COMING BACK TO A BUSINESS MEETING WITH IT. I WOULDN'T WANT TO DELAY THIS JUST FOR THAT POINT. SO MY QUESTION AND I SENT CHASE MOST OF MINE.

SO YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN MOST OF MINE. BUT MY ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO DEFINE ANOTHER EFFECTIVE DATE. WE DON'T NEED AN EFFECTIVE DATE IN AN ORDINANCE. THE FIRST EFFECTIVE DATE WAS BECAUSE IT WAS A CHANGE IN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. RIGHT NOW, THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE IS BASED ON THE DATE THE MAYOR SIGNS IT IN TEN DAYS OR WHATEVER. WE DON'T NEED TO PUT AN EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THIS ORDINANCE IN THE BECAUSE IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE WHEN WE PASS IT. YEAH, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I KNOW THERE WAS A SECOND ROUND OF CHANGES THAT YOU HAD SENT TO US THAT WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO INCORPORATE IN THIS, BECAUSE THE TIMING ON IT, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER KELVINS. RIGHT. BECAUSE I'VE GOT SOME DATES THAT WERE NOT EFFECTIVE AT ALL. JACE, DID YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ON THAT? YEAH. JUST JUST ONE CLARIFICATION. I THINK THERE ARE PENDING. EXPENDITURES FROM THE CITY, AND I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE DATE IS THERE IS GIVEN CUT OFF. YEAH, BUT EFFECTIVE DATES COULD COME AND GO. AND THEN THEN WE CHANGE THE CODE AGAIN TO GET EFFECTIVE. DATES AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE IN CODE. VERY. SO IT'S NOT I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE AN EFFECTIVE DATE SO MUCH AS IT APPLIES TO PROCUREMENT PROCESSES THAT HAVE STARTED PRIOR TO THIS DATE VERSUS THAT DATE. CLEAR EFFECTIVE DATE ISN'T I DON'T THINK NOTHING HERE SAYS EFFECTIVE DATE. IT JUST SAYS SHALL GOVERN ALL PROCUREMENT PROCESSES, CONTRACTS AND EXPENDITURES ON OR AFTER. WELL, BUT IF IT'S IN, IF IT'S IN THE PROCESS ON OR AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE, THE NEW PROCESS STILL APPLIES. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. SO I THINK THAT KIND OF WE NEED TO GET RID OF THAT. THE OTHER ONE THAT I THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE CONCERN OF IS THAT WHAT WE WENT THROUGH, AND IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE SAID, BUT WE HAVE LIKE THE DE MINIMIS AMOUNT, THIS AMOUNT, IT'S GOT A BIG LONG DEFINITION. WHY CAN'T WE DO WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DID WITH NOTICE? AND YET A CLASS A NOTICE A, CLASS B NOTICE WE HAVE LEVEL A, LEVEL B, LEVEL C, LEVEL D EXPENDITURES. INSTEAD OF HAVING GREAT BIG LONG TERMS FOR IT AND GREAT BIG LONG NAMES FOR IT, WE JUST CALL IT A LEVEL B, LEVEL C, AND KEEP IT SIMPLE. THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT INSTEAD OF LIKE THE MINIMUM BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH, WE HAVE ALL OF THESE WORDS THAT JUST COMPLICATE STUFF AND THE STAFF WILL GET USED TO IT. VERY EASY TO SAY THAT'S A LEVEL A PROCUREMENT OR THAT'S A LEVEL ONE OR A TIER ONE, OR I DON'T CARE WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY SIMPLE TO SAY A LEVEL A, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO DEFINE LEVEL A AS A DE MINIMIS AMOUNT, THAT CAN BE EXPENDED ON CERTAIN THINGS, BUT THEN THE STAFF GET USED TO DOING SOMETHING EASY THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE DOING A LEVEL A PROCUREMENT ON THIS. WE'RE WE'RE DOING A TIER TWO PROCUREMENT. AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WITHOUT USING WEIRD TERMS, YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M GOING. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE FROM WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. AND, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE TIME THAT IT TAKES IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT RIGHT. AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO FURTHER DELAY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW. BUT OBVIOUSLY IT IS IT OBVIOUSLY TOOK SOMEBODY A LONG TIME TO WRITE THAT STUFF, BUT TO COMPLICATE THINGS. BUT I'LL JUST VOTE AGAINST IT. I'LL JUST VOTE AGAINST IT AND IT'LL BE EASY. SO OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE ALL SEVEN OF US ARE UP. ALL SIX OF US HERE ARE ON BOARD WITH CHANGING THE 100,000 TO 50,000. IS THAT CORRECT? I ONLY SAW THREE PEOPLE. TWO YESES AND TWO.

THEY DON'T CARE. I DIDN'T GET A NO NO. NOBODY SAID NO. LET'S. WE'RE WILLING TO GO 50. I'M WILLING TO GO 50 FOR THE TEMPORARY. I JUST WANT TO HELP THE STAFF GET TO WORK, NOT 50, AND BRING IT BACK TO US. RIGHT. WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE. THE WHOLE I THINK. NO, NO, WE'LL WE'LL HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ON THE 50 LATER ON AS A SEPARATE DISCUSSION. YEP. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEEDED JOE STAFF. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OKAY. LET'S GO PROCURE STUFF. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE

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[b. Discussion of the Southwest Quadrant Development Plan]

NOW WHEN IT'S COMING, WHEN IT'S THE COUNCIL AND IT COMES BACK TO THE COUNCIL, THAT'S ME. IF THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A RULE. THAT'S INTERESTING. WELL THANK YOU, ALAN CHAIR AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. THIS REQUEST, IT'S A PETITION BY AVERY HOMES AND GARDNER DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A REQUEST FOR FUTURE LAND USE. MAP AMENDMENT, REZONE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR PROPERTY SOUTH OF 9000. SOUTH.

NORTH OF NEW BINGHAM HIGHWAY. AND WEST OF 6400 POINTS. SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, IT'S ABOUT.

THIS ROOM IS KIND OF EMPTY, SO WE THOUGHT WE COULD FILL IT UP. PLEASE MAKE SURE THE AC IS WORKING. YEAH, WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND QUICKLY SOON THAT THAT'S NOT. WE'RE JUST NOT THAT COOL. YOU TAKE THE HOT SEAT LITERALLY. YEP. YEAH. OKAY. SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS ONCE AND THIS IS THE FINAL PLAN. WHICH APPLICANT TEAM HAS PROVIDED US. CAN SEE THE AREAS IN PURPLE ARE THEIR HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING BUSINESS PARKS SUBZONE AND THEN THE DARKER ORANGE IS RESIDENTIAL TYPE A WHICH IS THEY'RE CLOSING BETWEEN 5 AND 30 UNITS PER ACRE. AND THE LIGHTER YELLOW IS A 1 TO 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED THIS OPEN SPACE PLAN FOR CONSIDERATION OF.

SHE WENT ALL OUT ON. SO AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE RCA, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT STAFF WANTED TO GET FEEDBACK. AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S INTERESTED IN THIS FEEDBACK AS WELL AS THEY TRY TO CRAFT THIS APPLICATION TO COME FORWARD. FIRST IS ARE THE UNIT COUNTS AND DENSITIES APPROPRIATE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS ONE BY ONE, OR YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE SPIEL AND THEN COME BACK LATER ON THE WAY YOU PREFER. CHAIR. IT'S ABOUT TEN MINUTES ON EACH ONE. YEAH. YOU WANT TO DO IT, TAYLOR? WHAT'S EASIEST FOR YOU? MAYBE I'LL JUST GO THROUGH EVERYTHING SO YOU KNOW THE FULL CONTEXT OF WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF YOU. AND THEN THE COUNCIL CAN FOCUS ON WHAT YOU FEEL IS MOST IMPORTANT. OKAY? OKAY. OTHER QUESTION STAFF HAD WAS IF COUNCIL SUPPORTED THE THREE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS. SECOND IS OUR 20 FOOT DRIVEWAYS APPROPRIATE? DURING THIS PHASE? HOPKINS REQUESTING INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL USE IN ALL DEVELOPMENTS. I'M CURIOUS, IS THAT SOMETHING THE COUNCIL SUPPORTS? OR IF YOU WANT TO JUST FOLLOW OUR CURRENT STANDARDS, WE DO WANT SOME FEEDBACK ON THE OPEN SPACE PLAN AND THEN FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED STREET STANDARDS RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS INCLUDED AS WELL. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF STAFF ANALYSIS AS YOU CONSIDER THIS. THE DENSITY RANGES OF BETWEEN 1 TO 12 OR 5 TO 30 UNITS PER ACRE DO MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO PLAN UTILITY AND TRANSPORTATION NEEDS. THE NEED FOR 30 ACRES FASTER THAN THE FIVE ACRE, AND SO WE REQUEST THAT THE DENSITY RANGES BE REFINED FOR SMALLER PODS. SO WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING TO GO. WHERE NEXT IS IF THE MAX UNIT COUNT IS APPROVED, IS THERE A MIX OF UNIT TYPES THAT THE COUNCIL SUPPORTS, OR COULD IT JUST BE ANY TYPE OF UNIT THAT MAKES THAT WORK? AGAIN, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR DEVELOPMENT PODS TO HAVE DEFINED DENSITY RANGES WITH MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM COUNTS AND TYPE OF APPROPRIATE UNITS. CURRENTLY OUR WE DON'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL ZONE TO PERMIT SIDE YARDS UNDER FIVE FEET. SO FOR CONTEXT WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE THREE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS IN THE 2020 TWO FOOT DRIVEWAYS TOO, RIGHT? CORRECT. MESSED UP RIGHT PARKING SPOT THEY HAVE. WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. IT'S THE LEGISLATURE ONLY DEFINES THAT AS IF IT'S COUNTED AS A PARKING SPACE, NOT IF IT'S JUST A FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 2015. AND WE DON'T COUNT PARKING FOR DRIVEWAYS AS PARKING SPACES. SO WE'RE EXEMPTED FROM THAT. THE GARAGE PARKING. OKAY. CURRENTLY,

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THEY'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. SO BEFORE YOU JUMP IN COUNCIL, I'M REALLY GRATEFUL WE'VE GOT THESE HIGH LEVEL QUESTIONS. SOME OF THEM. THIS IS NOT A NEW THING. THE COUNCIL'S BEEN DEALING WITH LARGE SCALE MASTER PLANS FOR YEARS. WE'VE SEEN HIGHLY DETAILED SUBMITTALS FROM WOOD RANCH TO. I THINK THAT'S THE HIGH BAR THAT TOOK FOUR YEARS TO GET TO. WE JUST ARE LOOKING FOR SUFFICIENT DETAIL THOUGH, SO WE CAN PLAN FOR UTILITIES AND OTHER IMPACTS TO THE TO THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM YOU. WE UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPERS NEED FLEXIBILITY TO ADAPT TO MARKET CONDITIONS AND TO BE COMPETITIVE. BUT THERE'S THIS BALANCE, RIGHT. SO THAT THAT'S WE HOPE TO DISCUSS TODAY. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. ALSO THE COUNCIL'S ADOPTED THE ACTUAL ZONING. THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ZONE. AND IT'S IN CODIFIED IN YOUR CODE. THAT PROVIDES A BASE POINT. UNLESS THOUGH THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ALLOWS FOR AN MDA TO FILL IN THE GAPS THAT THE CODE DOES NOT ADDRESS, WE CAN'T JUST IGNORE THAT UNLESS WE DO A TEXT AMENDMENT. BUT ADDRESSING THESE HIGH LEVEL QUESTIONS THAT TAYLOR'S COVERED WILL HELP US KNOW WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT IT IN THE MDA, OR IF A CODE AMENDMENT IS NEEDED. AND WE'LL WE'LL BE CLEAR AS WE MARCH THROUGH THOSE THINGS. IF IT REQUIRES AN ACTUAL TEXT AMENDMENT. SO CAN I JUMP IN? GO BACK TO YOU, GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTIONS. SO MY FIRST CONCERN AND IN FACT WE HAVE ANOTHER RCA IN MY FIRST CONCERN IS WATER. BECAUSE IF YOU ALL AREN'T BRINGING WATER, WHEN YOU

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AND SO I'M ADDRESSING ROSS AND BEN HERE BECAUSE I KNOW. THAT AREA WAS ORIGINALLY SET ASIDE BY THE COUNCIL A FEW YEARS AGO AS A RESEARCH PARK AREA TYPE THING, BUT I DON'T WANT THAT TO GET PARTICULARLY ON THAT FAR WEST BENCH IS TO GET TO BE WHERE IT'S 12 UNITS AN ACRE. WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IS AND THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING TO, WHERE I'M GOING TO CALL BS AND YOU WON'T LIKE IT, BUT IN YOUR PACKET YOU CALL 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, VERY LOW DENSITY. NO. ALIGN YOUR NUMBERS WITH WHAT THE CITIES ARE A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT IN WEST JORDAN CITY IS A MEDIUM DENSITY HOUSE. 12,000 IS A LOW DENSITY. THE BIGGER ONES ARE VERY LOW DENSITY. WHAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO SO THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND WE'VE SEEN THIS, I'LL TELL YOU, WE SAW THIS HAPPEN NOT TOO LONG AGO. WE SAW RESIDENTS WHO COME IN AND SAY, OH, THIS, YOU'RE VERY LOW DENSITY. AND. WE WERE ACTUALLY DOING WE WERE ACTUALLY DOING LOW DENSITY AT 4.2, 4.2 UNITS TO THE ACRE. SO MAKE YOUR NUMBERS MATCH WITH OURS SO THAT WE'RE WHEN WE COMPARE YOUR BUBBLE DIAGRAM AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS PER ACRE, IT MATCHES THE CITY GENERAL PLAN. IT MATCHES OURS SO THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING APPLES TO APPLES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I AGREE WITH THAT. SURE DOES. DOES THE COUNCIL DO I SUPPORT THREE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS? NO. HERE'S WHERE I WILL TELL YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO. I LIKE ONE SETBACK THAT'S AT LEAST TEN FEET, PARTICULARLY ON THE LARGER LOT. SO PEOPLE CAN DRIVE INTO THEIR BACKYARD. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXTERNAL ADUS, THE BEST PLACE FOR AN EXTERNAL ADUS IN A DETACHED GARAGE ABOVE THE GARAGE. SO LET'S LET'S BE CREATIVE. SALT LAKE CITY, 13 EAST AND 1530 WEST OVER HERE IN A COUPLE OTHERS. LET'S LET'S NOT TRY TO DO THREE AND A HALF YARD, THREE THREE FOOT SIDE SETBACKS, DO SOME THAT ARE BIGGER SO PEOPLE CAN DRIVE IN THEIR BACKYARD. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WOULD EVEN BE WILLING TO, TO NEGOTIATE THE FRONT SETBACK. LESS THAN 22FT SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE FRONT LAWNS, BECAUSE FRONT LAWNS ARE USELESS. ANYWAY, I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT IF THE DRIVEWAY WENT DOWN THE SIDE AND WAS EXTENDED TOWARDS THE BACK. SO YEAH, SO THAT THAT ADDRESSES THE 20 FOOT DRIVEWAYS APPROPRIATE. WE HAVE 22. I WOULD, I WOULD JUST AS SOON I'D BE WILLING TO WORK ON NEGOTIATING THE SETBACK. EVEN IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE AN ORDINANCE, IF IT MEANS THAT PEOPLE CAN PARK, LET'S SAY THEY PARK TANDEM ON THEIR LOT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF THEY PARK TANDEM ON THE LOT THAT THE PARK, THE TWO PARKING SPOTS MAY BE THE DRIVEWAY MAY BE 35FT LONG, BUT IT GOES TO THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSE AND IT SAVES WATER AND MAKES ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M I DON'T KNOW WHERE I STAND ON ME RIGHT NOW. OPEN SPACE. WE SEE THE OPEN SPACE PLAN OF SOME TRAILS, AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHERS IN THE BUBBLES. I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON WHAT THAT DOES, BUT. AND STREET STANDARDS. I'M WITH STAFF. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY FEW THINGS THAT I HAD. OKAY. DID YOU WANT HIM TO RESPOND TO YOU. GO AHEAD. YES. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK YOU. IS IT? I THINK WE WANTED TO JUST

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IF WE COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, THE THREE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK ARE A LITTLE UNIQUE SITUATION. AND YOUR PACKET HAS AN EXAMPLE, AND I COULD WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THE REQUEST IS ON THAT IF YOU WANT. BUT WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE MORE DETAIL THAN ME. MAKES SENSE IF THERE'S LIKE SPECIFIC CORNERS OR SPECIFIC LOT LINES OR SPECIFIC THINGS THAT YOU PLANNED OUT AND YOU GO, OH, THERE'S 83% MAX TO MAKE THIS AND THIS AND THIS WORK. YOU DON'T HAVE A SUBDIVISION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN. SO I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU HAVE SOME HYPOTHETICAL KIND OF EXAMPLES IN THERE. HERE'S THIS KIND OF HOUSE AND THIS KIND OF HOUSE ON THIS SIDE AND ON THAT SIDE OR WHATEVER. BUT FROM WHERE THAT IS AND HOW MANY THERE ARE AND HOW MANY THERE ARE NEXT TO HOW MANY OF THEM, WHATEVER ELSE THERE ARE.

NO, I DON'T HAVE THAT. AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WE HAVEN'T PREPARED THAT. I THINK WHAT I WOULD IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN JUST TELL ME TO BE QUIET WHENEVER, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO SPEAK IN THIS, BUT REALLY JUST SOME CONTEXT, I MEAN, I'M BEN WITH THE GARTNER GROUP. WE'VE BEEN WORKING OUT HERE FOR YEARS. I'M SHOCKED YOU GUYS HAVEN'T BOOTED ME OUT OF HERE SOONER, BUT IT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS NOW THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MIKE JONES AND HIS FAMILY. AND FROM THE ONSET WHEN WE GOT INVOLVED, I MEAN, WE TOOK THE TIME TO MEET WITH STAFF CITY AND REALLY TALK THROUGH WHAT IS THE VISION OUT HERE. YOU REALLY DO HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY WHERE IT'S IN SALT LAKE COUNTY, EVEN. IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND THIS AMOUNT OF ACREAGE THAT'S TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE CITY. I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE IN SUCH AN INCREDIBLE POSITION. AND SO IT WAS REALLY ON US AS, HOW CAN WE LET'S NOT MESS THIS UP, RIGHT? LET'S NOT. ONE OF THE THOUGHTS WERE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WE WANT TO PROTECT, RIGHT? THERE'S THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS AND NEIGHBORHOODS HERE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE WANT TO CREATE AN ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR THE CITY ON THIS LAND, WE NEED TO BE RESPECTFUL AND COGNIZANT OF WHAT'S OUR SURROUNDING AREAS AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO INTERACT WITH THAT AS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS? JUST ON THE GARDENER SIDE, I THINK IT'S TAKEN A LOT OF TIME TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU. BUT THAT'S IN PART BECAUSE I'M REALLY PROUD TO SAY WE'VE WE'VE WORKED HAND IN HAND WITH IVORY, WHO'S HERE TO TOGETHER WITH US ON THIS APPLICATION. THAT'S NOT A SMALL FEAT, I THINK. GARDNER. WE REALLY WE, WE DO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S KIND OF OUR FORTE. YOU SEE THAT? YOU GUYS ARE HARD TO WORK WITH FOR SURE. YES, YES, YOU KNOW IT. BUT BUT THEN AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT ALSO THIS PLAN YOU'VE SEEN PROBABLY THIS A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE HAD A BIG DONUT HOLE IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH WAS GARY MCDOUGAL'S PROPERTY, ABOUT 55 ACRES THAT WE'VE COME A LONG WAY. AND HE HE AGREED TO INCLUDE HIS ACREAGE AS PART OF THIS REGION, WHICH IS ANOTHER BIG WIN OF WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS FOR SUCH A LARGE SWATH OF LAND. YOU ALSO HAVE VERY FEW AMOUNT OF RARELY VERY RARE, REALLY, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LANDOWNERS THAT CONTROL THE LAND THAT IT'S PART OF, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S REALLY US IVORY, THE BIG PARCELS, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND, AND SO THAT ALSO IT'S A LOT EASIER TO COLLABORATE. RIGHT. IF THERE WAS 50 OF US AND WE'RE TRYING TO AGREE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT WOULD BE HARD. AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS KIND OF PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND, AND THROUGH, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS BACK WHEN THERE WAS A LAND USE SUBCOMMITTEE AND WHATNOT, INCORPORATING THESE IDEAS OF HOW DO WE HOW DO WE USE THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE UTILITY CONSTRAINTS, EVERYTHING, AND TRY TO CREATE THIS WHAT IS WE'VE BEEN CALLING A SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. AND FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I MEAN, THE GOAL WAS CLEAR FROM THE ONSET IS WE WANT TO CREATE GREAT JOBS AND GOOD WAGES HERE IN WEST JORDAN. WE WANT TO STOP HAVING RESIDENTS OF WEST JORDAN LEAVE WEST JORDAN TO GO TO WORK, COMING BACK AND CREATING MORE TRAFFIC ISSUES. IT'S TO CREATE GOOD HOUSING ENVIRONMENTS WHERE YOU CAN WORK AND LIVE IN WEST JORDAN. SO WE'VE KIND OF COMBINED THAT THIS THIS IS VERY MUCH LIKE IMPERFECT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TO YOUR POINT. IT THIS THING IS NOT FULLY BAKED. IT IS IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE. I WOULD 100% AGREE WITH THAT. YES, SURE. IT'S IN THE OVEN YET. YEAH. WE'RE WE'VE GOT THE INGREDIENTS ON THE, ON THE CALENDAR AND THE GROCERY STORE AND WE AND WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK. I MEAN THIS ISN'T SOMETHING TRYING TO LIKE COME TO YOU AND JUST WE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND SO THIS IS PERFECT. BUT BUT I DO WANT TO WE'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A

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EXACTLY, EXACTLY. THAT'S THE IDEA OF, LIKE, WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR LIKE A DIFFICULT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THAT CAP ON THERE. AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO SAY WITHIN THESE ACREAGES, I CAN'T SWAP, LIKE AS MUCH AS I LOVE ROSS, LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT PROTECTIONS AT ROSS CAN'T COME TO ME ON THE COMMERCIAL AND SAY LIKE, HEY, WE NEED 50 MORE ACRES BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THERE'S NOT A LET YOU DO THAT. WELL, MY ANSWER TO EVERY ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS IS IT DEPENDS. YEAH.

RIGHT. IT IS THAT WHERE. SHOW ME THE MONEY. SHOW ME THE DETAILS. SHOW ME THE AND MY LIKE. IS THAT WHERE THE MDA WOULD IN MY MIND, THE WAY THIS WORKS IS IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE IT'S ON SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. YOU HAVE THESE PARAMETERS LIKE OKAY THERE'S 4500 UNITS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BECAUSE ANYTHING ABOVE WHAT'S PLANNED FOR IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET OR THOSE UPSIDES LIKE THAT WOULD BE ON US TO PROVIDE THE WATER. RIGHT. SO LIKE THAT, THAT IS ALL ON WORKING WITH THE CITY, BUT THAT'S ON US. BUT IF WE HAVE THIS, THEN IT'S LIKE EACH TO YOUR POINT, LIKE THE DETAILS. WOULD THAT BE IN THE MDA? TAYLOR LIKE, IS THAT KIND OF HOW THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY. YEAH THE MVP RIGHT. BUT EACH BUT EACH EACH EACH PROJECT WOULD HAVE AN MDA ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO THE MDA SHOULD BE THE WRITTEN DOCUMENT. THE MVP ILLUSTRATES THAT. YEAH.

AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK LATER AND DO SUBAREA PLANS WHERE YOU GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY DETAIL. AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SAYING AS STAFF IS I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THE PROPOSED UNIT COUNTS AND STUFF THAT'S UP FOR THE COUNCIL ARE WRONG, BUT THERE'S TOO MUCH VARIETY THERE FOR US TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO WHERE. EVEN THE 4500 UNITS IS SPLIT OVER THREE DIFFERENT WATER DISTRICTS. SO THAT MAKES IT REALLY HARD FOR US TO PLAN, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GOING TO PUT ALL 4500 UNITS IN ZONE SEVEN WHERE WE HAVE NOTHING OR ALL IN ZONE FIVE WHERE WE'RE OUT OF WATER ON THIS? THIS GOES OVER THREE PRESSURE ZONES. BUT HIS .56 AND 7500 UNITS, ALL IN ZONE SEVEN. THEY GOT TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO DO THAT. AND IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH A WAY TO DO THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. YOU CANNOT. THERE'S NO WAY IN HECK. DON'T EVEN TRY. GO AWAY. PUT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE, SEE IF THEY GOT IF THEY GOT SOME CREATIVE IDEAS

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AND LIKE BEN SAID, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE WANT TO BE REALLY FLEXIBLE WITH YOU GUYS. WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK, BUT WITH SUCH A BIG AREA, I GUESS WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANT TO SET THE FRAMEWORK AND THEN AS WE'RE READY TO DEVELOP AN AREA AT THAT POINT, WE'LL BRING A SUB AREA PLAN AND GIVE YOU THE FINER DETAIL OF ROADS AND UTILITIES. AND BUT SO CURRENTLY IN THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE THE UTILITY SECTION IS VERY BASIC, BUT IT COMMITS US TO PROVIDING ANY NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE MORE THAN WHAT THE CITY HAS MASTER PLANNED FOR. SO, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS THAT THAT PROTECTS THE CITY, THAT ANYTHING YOU'VE PLANNED FOR IS COVERED, AND ANYTHING ADDITIONAL WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU GUYS HAVE OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT OR SUGGESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO INCORPORATE THAT. BUT THAT'S THE IDEA REALLY IS IT'S SUCH A BIG AREA. IT'LL BE 20 YEARS FROM NOW BEFORE WE GET TO SOME OF THIS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I CAME, I CAME WITH THE CHANGE TO OUR DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS. AND I THINK ONE OF YOU GUYS KIND OF TEASED ME THAT, OH, IT'S GREAT WE DID THIS PLAN SO YOU CAN JUST COME BACK AND CHANGE IT. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA. WE'RE WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT. YEAH. WE CAN'T WE CAN'T PLAN FOR 20 YEARS FROM NOW. SO WE WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS THE FRAMEWORK THAT PROTECTS THE CITY. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ROAD SECTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, WERE SHOWING THIS BIG BUFFER SO THAT IF BEN BUILDS AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT NEXT TO WHERE I WANT TO BUILD SOME HOUSING, THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO AND THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BURDEN PEOPLE LIVING RIGHT NEXT TO SOME. WELL, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THE DONUT PLACE DOWN THERE SMELLS REALLY GOOD WHEN THEY'RE MAKING DONUTS. I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE NEXT TO THAT. BUT DAN IS ANOTHER STORY. YEAH. DAN SO THAT'S THE GOAL. ANY FEEDBACK? YOU GUYS HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT IF IT REQUIRES MORE THAN WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE WE ALREADY HAVE PLANNED FOR, ROADS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. DO YOU MEAN IF I NEED A NEW SEWER LINE 9000 SOUTH? BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS THAT YOU WANT ARE SO MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT WE PLANNED FOR, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT SEWER LINE FROM 60 TO 200 SOUTH TO THE PLANT. EXACTLY. YES.

YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THAT. HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. AND SO TO ADD ON TO THAT, ARE YOU SURE THAT IT PENCILS OUT? WELL, SO WHAT WE WOULD DO AND I'VE YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED WITH THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE UTILITIES GROUP QUITE A BIT TRYING TO PLAN THAT ALL OUT RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IS THAT WE WOULD HIRE AN ENGINEERING COMPANY. WE WOULD WE'D HAVE TO LAY OUT A WHOLE 800 ACRES AND DESIGN IT ALL TO SEE WHERE WE WOULD OR WOULDN'T BE. UTILITY UPSIZING. THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG PROCESS FOR SOMETHING WE THINK IS UNCERTAIN. SO WHAT WE ARE COMMITTING TO IS WITH THE SUB AREA PLAN, WE'LL DO THAT STUDY. AND IF IT SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU WANT TO PUT 1000 UNITS IN THIS SUB AREA PLAN, BUT YOU HAVE TO BUILD A SEWER LINE TO THE FREEWAY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, HEY, THIS REALLY ISN'T FEASIBLE. WHAT'S THE NUMBER THAT DOES WORK? AND MAYBE 600 WORKS, MAYBE ONLY 100. AND SO THEN WE CAN ADJUST THE PLAN SO THAT WE'RE NOT COMMITTING OURSELVES TO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T WORK.

WE'RE NOT INTERRUPTING THE WHOLE CITY WITH CONSTRUCTION. AND SO THAT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN THE END IS A PLAN THAT WORKS. THE EASIEST ONE IS LIKE UPSIZING A WATER TANK, YOU KNOW, SO THE ZONE FIVE AND ZONE SEVEN WATER TANKS AREN'T BUILT YET? YES, JUST A FEW MILLION DOLLARS. IT'S EASY. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT YOU NEED A CERTAIN SIZE WATER TANK. SO AT SOME POINT, ECONOMICALLY, IT MAKES SENSE IF WE WANT TO ADD SO MANY UNITS TO THE CAPACITY THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THEN PARTICIPATE IN, UPSIZE IT AND COORDINATE WITH THE CITY BECAUSE THEY KEEP US UPDATED ON, YOU KNOW, THEIR PLANS AND WHEN AND WHAT THEY'LL DO. BUT THAT'S THE GOAL. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WE WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU GUYS TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH. SO HERE'S MY THOUGHTS. AND THEY'RE WRITTEN IT'S EASIER FOR ME. AND BEN, I APPRECIATE YOU EMPHASIZING THAT WHEN YOU CAME TO US THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS TO BE AN ECONOMIC AREA, A JOB CENTER. WELL, I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER'S DESIRE TO HELP WITH HOUSING, WHICH THERE'S A STATEMENT IN HERE, BASICALLY, ABOUT HOUSING FOR UTAH. AND YES, WE HAVE THE MOST UNDEVELOPED LAND, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF HOUSES, AND WE HAVE A LOT

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ALL RIGHT ANYWAY CONTINUE ON. AT THE END OF THE DAY I'M NOT A BASEBALL GAME. BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET IS LIKE THIS KIND OF FEEDBACK. SO WE KNEW WE'RE COMING BACK. WE'RE NOT.

YEAH. SO IT'S GETTING THE FEEDBACK. LET US GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARDS AND WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER SWING AT IT. BUT BUT I WANT TO AT LEAST GET THE FEEDBACK SO I KNOW I'M NOT COMING BACK AND WHIFFING AGAIN. RIGHT. IT'S LIKE SO WE HAVE CLEAR PARAMETERS. IF I TAKE THIS TO ANOTHER LEVEL, LIKE INSTEAD OF JUST ORANGE, LIKE, LET'S REALLY SEE WHAT I WANT TO AVOID.

IT'S LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO FULLY SITE PLAN IT OUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S EXPENSIVE. BUT JUST LET'S TAKE LET'S MAKE TIGHTER BUBBLES WITHIN THE BUBBLES. IS THAT LIKE TIGHTER LIKE THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED THERE THEY WERE ALL IN THE I HAVE TO SAY NO, BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND I CAN'T SAY YES TO ANYTHING THAT I DON'T KNOW. AND LIKE, LOOK AT IT. THE, YOU KNOW, THE ADUS FOR TOWNHOMES, YOU SEND US PICTURES HERE THAT THE OTHER ENTRANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE THROUGH THE WINDOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO OTHER ENTRANCE INTO THE TOWNHOMES YOU'VE SHOWED US PICTURES FOR. YEAH, THAT MAKES IT MORE EXCITING. SO BUT BUT YEAH OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU ASK THAT QUESTION, I LOOK AT YOUR PICTURES AND GO, NO, BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN US MULTIFAMILY. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY, RIGHT. AND THE REASON TOWNHOMES WORK IS BECAUSE THEY'RE A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT SECOND. SO TO CLARIFY ON THAT ONE, I DON'T WE DON'T FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT DOING ANYTHING THAT THE CITY DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE. OKAY. AND THEN THAT WOULD GO TO OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER GREEN'S THING OF GET ON BOARD WITH THE CITY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO SITE PLAN SOMETHING, THIS IS WHAT WE DO AND WHAT WE SAY. PLAN TO THAT. DON'T PLAN TO HAVE US CHANGE. NOW HERE'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THOUGH. YOUR SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ZONING. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE PINK HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING AREA, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ZONE CONSIDERS WORKFORCE HOUSING AND HOUSING BEING MIXED IN WITH THAT. SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WE IVORY WOULD BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES MIXED IN THERE. BUT THERE IS DENSITY BUILT INTO THAT AREA TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOALS. AND SO I GUESS I GUESS MAYBE WHAT I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER IS WE ARE BUILDING SOME TOWNHOMES WITH ADUS ON THE EAST BENCH OF SALT LAKE RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE THEY'RE DIFFERENT AND THEY'RE MUCH BIGGER THAN LIKE WE'RE BUILDING IN. NO, WE'VE JUST STARTED CONSTRUCTION. SO AS SOON AS THEY'RE READY, I CAN SHOW YOU GUYS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS ALL THE STATE CODE AND REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING. WHAT I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO DO IS THAT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN HOUSING IS SQUEEZED EVEN TIGHTER, OR WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT OPTIONS, WE HAVE THOSE OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT. THE OTHER ONE THAT YOU'LL SEE IN HERE IS WE'RE SHOWING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH NO GARAGE. AND LIKE YOU GUYS MENTIONED, IT'S GOT A LONG DRIVEWAY THAT EXTENDS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE LOT. SO YOU CAN PARK TWO CARS THERE. AND THEN IT GIVES THE POTENTIAL HOMEOWNER AN OPTION TO THE GARAGE. NOW WITH THE HOME BUILD A DETACHED ONE LATER AS THEIR FINANCES ALLOW IT. BUT WE EXPAND THAT RANGE OF PEOPLE WHO CAN GET INTO A HOME AND GET INTO HOME OWNERSHIP. SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING. AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT CONSIDERING, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE TO YOUR CODE. THE NO NO REQUIREMENT. BUT WE WANT TO WE WANT TO CONSIDER IT. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING NO PARKING OR ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T WORK. WE

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WE'RE NOT GOING OVER ON UTILITIES THAT EVERYTHING'S GOING TO. YOU'RE GOING TO BRING YOUR OWN POWER STATION. YEAH. ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER IS PRETTY MUCH OUT THERE. YEAH. WE'RE WE'RE THE BEN'S GOING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. WE'VE BEEN DAVE HAS BEEN WE'RE WORKING THROUGH POWER ISSUES. THERE. REALLY FUN. IT MAKES IT MAKES WATER TANKS FEEL LIKE A BREEZE. IT'S TREADMILLS IN EVERY HOME, YOU KNOW, I LOVE IT. SCOTT, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? CAN YOU JUST IF THE COUNCIL'S DONE WANT TO JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE IF THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. GO AHEAD GO AHEAD GO AHEAD OKAY. SO I'M HEARING THAT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. COME BACK WITH THE SMALLER BUBBLES SIMILAR TO JACOB JONES RANCH AND MORE TIGHTLY DEFINED ROLES. RIGHT. SIMILAR TO WHAT JOHN'S RANCH PROVIDED. AND TO CLARIFY, MAYBE I DON'T KNOW, ROSS, IF THIS IS FOR YOU, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EXHIBIT, YOU'RE PROPOSING 4500 UNITS. SO DOES THAT. THOSE 4500 UNITS INCLUDE THE PURPLE AS WELL? YES. YEAH. THERE WOULD NOT JUST WE'RE ASSIGNING TO THE COMMERCIAL AREA BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT RANGE ON THE HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING BECAUSE IT'S LIKE YEAH. AND LIKE THE 30S MORE LIKE OKAY. IS THAT LIKE A YOU KNOW.

YEAH. LIKE SOMEONE WHO'S USING A LOT MORE UTILITIES VERSUS SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROJECTION.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, A HOTEL COULD USE A LOT, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'D BE COOL. OTHER THINGS THAT WE SHOULD THEY SHOULD TAKE AWAY, WE WANT THEM TO BASICALLY COME BACK TO OUR FOLKS NOT ASKING ALL OF THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ZONE AND OUR IF THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE CODE THAT WE NEED, BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE. I'M WILLING TO LOOK AND PROVIDE SOME BACK, PROVIDE SOME LIKE ENOUGH DATA SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. MAKE A DECISION. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE IDEA OF AN MBA IS YOU GOT THE YOU GOT THE ORDINANCE AN MBA AND AN MBA. I KNOW, BUT WHEN YOU WRITE THE MBA, THE MBA IS THE OVERARCHING RULE THAT FILLS IN THE GAPS WHERE THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE I THINK WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR MORE FIDELITY THERE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? EVEN EVEN EVEN TO THE POINT THAT IT MAY YOU MAY BE ABLE TO WITH THE WITH THE MORE DEFINITIVE BUBBLES YOU CAN GET DEFINITIVE ERAS. SO YOU SAY THIS BUBBLE HAS SO MANY ERAS, THIS BUBBLE HAS SO MANY, AND YOU GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FIDELITY SO THAT YOU GET THE IDEA OF WHAT THE DENSITY AND EVERYTHING THAT ALLOWS STAFF TO START ACTUALLY PLANNING. ALL RIGHT. SO ONE THING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN SAID THAT I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE REEMPHASIZE IS HAVE LET'S HAVE LET'S HAVE THE DEFINITIONS. IF IT SAYS THIS IS GOING TO BE MEDIUM DENSITY, HAVE THAT MEDIUM DENSITY MATCH WHAT THE CITY DEFINES AS MEDIUM DENSITY, THAT'S OKAY. I ALSO HEARD THAT WE'RE OKAY TO POTENTIALLY SWAP UNITS AND ACREAGE BETWEEN PODS. AS LONG AS WE'RE KEEPING THE OVERALL UNIT COUNT. AND LIKE IF THE ROAD NEEDS TO MOVE COMMERCIAL OR IF COSTCO WANTS TO BE IN TIER A IN THE RIGHT CORNER, I'M OKAY WITH FILE MEETS. YEAH, YEAH, WE'LL MOVE. WE'LL MOVE HOUSES FOR COSTCO. AND THAT'S ONE. IT'S LIKE WE'VE SEEN IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME LIKE WHEN LARRY BUILT THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT I MEAN THERE ARE WITHIN THAT OR WE'LL DEFINE THEM BETTER. BUT LIKE THE CODE DOESN'T LET UP. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO LAYER IN DIFFERENT USES. AND WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING UP. SO A LOT OF THOSE PROTECTIONS ARE IN

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AND IN FACT, WHAT WE MAY WANT TO DO ONCE YOU GET THE GRANULARITY DOWN AS WE HOLD A TOWN HALL AND OUT THAT WAY, AND ASK THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUT THERE, WE MIGHT GET 10,000 OTHER ANSWERS. BUT YEAH, THAT'S TRUE, BUT I THINK I THINK WE DID IT WITH THE GEM AND IT WAS HELPFUL TO US. AND WE'LL PROBABLY ASK ONE OF THOSE BARBECUES AND THEN. YEAH. SO OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

SORRY. THANK YOU. SORRY I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE OKAY. THANKS, GUYS. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. YOU SAFE? HORRIBLE QUESTION. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS FIVE. 17 AND WE'VE GOT TWO MORE

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5600 WEST. SO JUST THEIR ADJACENT ARCTIC CIRCLE AND THE SEMINARY AT THE COPPER HILLS HIGH SCHOOL. SO WE DID DO A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING WITH THEM. THEY HAVE REVISED THEIR PLAN SINCE THEN. THEY'VE REDUCED FROM 36 DOWN TO 30. THEY'VE ALSO GOTTEN SOME TANDEM GARAGES AND ON TO SIDE BY SIDE GARAGES, AND THEY'VE ADDED SOME OPEN SPACE. SO THAT'S A DIFFERENCE FROM WHEN. TO THE PRE-AP REALLY THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL ON THIS ONE ARE JUST FOR FIRST IS DO YOU PROPOSE OR DOES THE COUNCIL SUPPORT A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION HERE FROM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? THIS PIECE IS ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR A BAKE. I THINK IT WAS. SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THAT? WASN'T THIS A PC ZONE? IT WAS. AND THE.

AND THEY BUILD ALL THE RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT. AND THEN ARCTIC CIRCLE WAS COMMERCIAL.

AND THIS OTHER PIECE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMMERCIAL IN THAT PLAN. RIGHT. CORRECT. WE ALREADY IT WAS GOING TO BE A BAKE AND WE GOT ALL THE HOUSE CORRECT. WE HAVEN'T GOT THE COMMERCIAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF THE COUNCIL DOES SUPPORT THE PROJECT, DO YOU SUPPORT THE PROPOSED 30 DWELLING UNITS ON. 1.47 ACRES, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 20.4 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE? IF YOU SUPPORT THIS, ARE YOU OPEN TO DISRUPTION TO OUR BALANCE OF ORDINANCE? AND IF THE COUNCIL SUPPORTS THIS CONCEPT, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THE APPLICANT TO PROCEED? THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE ONE, SOME SORT OF EXCEPTION TO THE PC ZONE. THE OTHER ONE COULD

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YEAH. BUT THAT I GUARANTEEING YOU THAT THE REASON THAT THAT THAT ONE LITTLE STREET STUBS OFF IS THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY A PLAN. I'M ALSO EXTREMELY CONCERNED THAT THE ONLY INGRESS AND EGRESS INTO A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS THE ARCTIC CIRCLE PARKING LOT. THAT, THAT THAT TO ME, THAT THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME IN THE CITY WE'VE ALLOWED SOMEBODY TO HAVE INGRESS OR

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OR EVEN OUT TO 56TH. BUT JUST TO USE THE ARCTIC CIRCLE AS AN INGRESS EGRESS FOR AN A HOUSING UNIT. AND BOTH INGRESS AND EGRESS WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ARCTIC CIRCLE. NO. AND LIKE I SAID, THE PC ZONE ALLOWS 17%. THE MULTIFAMILY UNIT IN THE PC ZONES ALREADY BEEN TAKEN. THAT'S WHAT SUNSET VILLAGE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 90TH. SOUTH WAS FOR THAT THE DENSITY IN THE TOWNHOMES IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH. THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS FOR. THERE WERE A BUNCH OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES GRANITE CREDIT UNION, ARCTIC CIRCLE, AMERICA FIRST MOUNTAIN AMERICA, A COUPLE OF THEM, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE ACROSS THE STREET ON THE CORNER OF 90TH AND 56TH AND. THE. WELL, THEY THEY JUST THEY JUST BUILT THAT MOUNTAIN. AMERICA. IT'S RIGHT ON THE CORNER. SO THAT ONE THAT WAS BUILT AS PART OF THIS. WHAT YOU HEARD ME IN THE LAST STITCH. THE LAST THING. THIS IS A PC WHERE WE'RE SAYING, OH, WE CAN'T BUILD COMMERCIAL THERE. WE GOTTA HAVE HIGH DENSITY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WORKS, YOU KNOW, I'D ACTUALLY MIGHT CONSIDER SIX UNITS AN ACRE AND USE THE HOME OPPORTUNITY, WHATEVER THE HOT Z STANDS FOR THAT YOU CAN GO SIX UNITS AN ACRE AND GUARANTEE 60% HOME OWNERSHIP. I MIGHT BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CODE YET. THERE'S AN RCA IN FOR THAT, BY THE WAY. BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING A HOT ZONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THERE, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT SIX UNITS AN ACRE, 30 UNITS AN ACRE. I'M A HARD NUT. I'M OKAY WITH THE ZONING AND I'M OKAY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. BUT YOUR SITE PLAN DOESN'T WORK, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CYCLONE WORKS. YEAH, I OKAY, YOU WANT TO TRY AND SQUEEZE TOWNHOMES IN THERE BECAUSE THAT PC IS ON YOUR RIGHT. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMMERCIAL BUT THEN THEY REALIGNED THE ROAD AND THEY MADE THAT REALLY HARD TO GET INTO. SO I GET THE COMMERCIAL MIGHT NOT WORK THERE ANYMORE. I'M SO I'M OKAY WITH REZONING IT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED. IT WOULD JUST BE CHANGING IT FROM COMMERCIAL TO YEAH, YEAH, I DON'T MIND THE DENSITY, BUT THE SECOND ONE DOESN'T WORK. YOU KNOW, GUEST PARKING. THERE'S NO I'M THE ONLY PLACE THAT A TEENAGER SHE LIVED. THEIR PARENTS HAVE TWO CARS. THE TEENAGERS HAVE TO PARK AT OUR CIRCLE. AND THEN YOU. YEAH. AND THEN THERE'S CURRENTLY EIGHT, EIGHT GUEST STALLS DOWN THE SIDE. SO FOR 30 MINUTES, I MEAN, YOU SAID IT WAS DONE, SO I'M OKAY POINTING OUT THERE IS SOME. OH, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE. DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM I SEE THEM SOMEONE'S BOTTOM. AND YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE USED AFTER THE FOOTBALL GAME WHENEVER WE USE OUR CIRCLE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I REALLY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW MY COPPER HILL STUDENTS HAVE ALL GRADUATED. THEY WOULD HAVE REALLY LOVED THE TACO BELL OR SOMETHING ELSE. NEXT. THIRD CIRCLE. YEAH. THAT WAS THEIR ONLY CHOICE. TO HAVE TO GO TO. OR TO DISTRICT TWO. I KNOW, TAYLOR, I'M A NO. I'M NOT A NO ON EVERYTHING, BUT I'M A NO ON THE PLAN THAT EVER SINCE, IT'S JUST AND JUST. AND I'M WITH COUNCILMAN JACOB THAT I'M OKAY WITH TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. BUT THIS SITE PLAN IS NOT SOMETHING I'M NOT OKAY WITH. RESIDENTIAL SHARING A DRIVEWAY WITH COMMERCIAL, I JUST. YEAH, THAT'S A PROBLEM. YEAH, YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK. YOU CAN SHOW ME A BETTER.

I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A WAY TO DO IT. IT'S JUST. THIS IS WHAT I WILL SAY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THAT ROAD. IF YOU GO TO THE ROAD, THAT ROAD IS NOT A PARKING LOT. THAT ROAD IS TO CONNECT TO THAT LAND. SO REALLY, IT'S AN ACCESS ROAD. IT IS. YEAH. IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE LIKE OUR IT'S BEEN OUR CIRCLE PARKING LOT. THAT'S THE ONLY THING ATTACHED TO IT. BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE THERE'S NO PARKING ON THAT ROAD. IT'S AN ACCESS ROAD. IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHERE THE JORDAN CREDIT UNION IS OFF OF 48, WHERE IT WAS JUST A STREET THAT WENT TO THE CREDIT UNION, AND THEN THEY BUILT THE STREET OFF OF IT. AND SO NOW IT'S A STREET WITH, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU IMPROVE THAT ROAD A LITTLE BIT AND MADE IT MORE OF A ROAD PARKING LOT. IT WAS THE IDEA TO CREATE AN ACT, AN EGRESS THAT FELT LIKE YOU WERE GOING IN. BUT YEAH, ARCTIC CIRCLES ON THE SIDE. BUT EITHER WAY, YOU'RE

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THEY DON'T REQUIRE THEIR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY'RE THEY'RE MAKING T SHIRTS. IS THAT GENRE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE. CURRENT ZONE? LOOK, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO BRAINSTORM WHAT I WOULD DO. I'M WITH YOU BECAUSE I WENT TO THAT IN HOUSING.

SOLUTIONS WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO FLEX TO IF IT'S NOT ALLOWED. ZONE ALLOWS MOST ANYTHING. YEAH.

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WHAT ARE WE DOING? IF YOU BUILD THAT AS A PUBLIC STREET, THEN PUBLIC STREET ON A PRIVATE EASEMENT DOESN'T WORK AT ALL. YOU KNOW, I THINK YOUR BEST THING IS TO GET WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND ASK THEM. I THINK YOU'VE KIND OF HEARD OUR CONCERNS AND WHAT WE MIGHT ENTERTAIN. SO WHY DON'T YOU GET WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS OF WHAT THEY KNOW US FAIRLY WELL. WE ALWAYS MAKE SURE IT'S SOMEBODY THAT WORKS. WE'RE HAPPY TO KIND OF WORK AND STUFF, BUT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS HOMEOWNERS. YEAH. WHAT'S THE RESTAURANT KIDS LIKE? ANOTHER RESTAURANT. CHICK FIL A? CHICK FIL A. I THINK YOU'D HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM. YEAH, AND CHICK FIL A PROBABLY WOULDN'T GO THERE. BUT SOMETHING ELSE. YEAH.

YOU'RE RIGHT. I LIKE A TEXAS ROADHOUSE. SO OUR OUR TALK NOW IS TO KIND OF GET WITH SCOTT AND SEE IF WHAT ELSE MAKES SENSE, AND COME BACK AGAIN WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR OUR CITY AND FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. CLOSER TO 15 OR 20. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU COUNCIL. WITH THOSE. SINCE YOU WERE IN TEXAS. SO YOU HAVEN'T DONE FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS. YEAH. IT'S JUST ALL THE MARKETING. YEAH. YEAH. EASIEST ANSWER. YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. JARED I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT MAKES THE DECISION. I DON'T NEED A RAISE. IF YOU GUYS WANT A BREAK, I'LL GIVE. YOU KNOW, LET'S GO FOR IT. WE'LL JUST START NOW, AND THEN WE CAN FINISH UP AT 615 ISH. SO WHENEVER YOU'RE DONE WITH THIS. WELL, IS THIS ABOUT A NEW BUDGET SOFTWARE? DENISE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I READ IN THE RCA. THAT'S WHAT I READ. THAT'S WHAT I READ IS THE AGENDA ITEM WAS HOW DO WE YOU EVER HEARD OF THIS TOPIC? CAN YOU CAN YOU TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE? GOOGLE'S NOT EVEN MICROSOFT DID MICROSOFT EXCEL FOR HER. MY OPINION GOOGLE SHEETS IS SUPERIOR. SORRY,

[d. Discussion of FY2026 Annual Budget]

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AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN YOUR CITY PROVIDES ITS OWN FIRE SERVICES AND IT'S UNDER A COUNCIL AUTHORITY. IT REALLY DOES KEEP YOUR PROPERTY TAXES LOWER THAN DEDICATING THEM STRAIGHT TO PUBLIC SAFETY. YOU'LL SEE THAT SOUTH JORDAN IS A LITTLE LOWER THAN US. WE WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE ANY OF THEIR EMPLOYEES AN INCREASE, SO THEY ARE TRYING TO HOLD BECAUSE OF BEING AN ELECTION YEAR COUNCIL. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW GRATEFUL AND HONESTLY, I'M ONE OF THE ENVIES OF PEOPLE IN MY ROLE THAT YOU TAKE THIS PROPERTY TAX PHILOSOPHY SERIOUSLY ENOUGH TO DO SOME OF THE HARD THINGS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SMALL INCREASES EVERY YEAR. YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THOSE EASILY BECAUSE YOU'RE HELPING THE RESIDENTS A LITTLE AT A TIME AND NOT NOT FORCING LARGE INCREASES ON THEM. SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO. AND I DO KNOW YOU TAKE SOME POLITICAL HEAT FOR IT EVERY NOW AND THEN, SO DON'T THINK IT GOES UNNOTICED BY US. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE WE'RE AT 13.78. THIS IS THIS EXCLUDES EVERYBODY'S DEBT SERVICE. THIS EXCLUDES IF SOMEBODY HAS A LIBRARY OR OTHER STUFF ON THEIR PROPERTY TAX. THIS IS JUST GENERAL OPERATIONS FOR THE CITY OKAY. THIS PERSON WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING. YES. SORRY. I WANT TO COUNCIL. I WANT TO ECHO A LITTLE BIT WHAT LISA JUST SAID. I'M ON THE CITY MANAGER ASSOCIATION BOARD. I'M SPENT THE LAST WEEK MEETING WITH CITY MANAGERS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. EVERY CITY MANAGER IS STRUGGLING WITH THEIR CITY COUNCILS ON PROPERTY TAX ISSUES, ON MATCHING REVENUE EXPECTATIONS OR SERVICE DELIVERY EXPECTATIONS WITH REVENUES. AND THEY ARE SO ENVIOUS OF OUR COUNCIL THAT HAS MADE VERY SMALL ANNUAL REGULAR PROPERTY TAX INCREASES TO JUST KEEP PACE WITH INFLATION. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING CRAZY. YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE RELATIVE TO OUR PEERS. WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T SHOT WAY UP RELATIVE TO OUR SISTER CITIES. BUT WE HAVE MADE THE PROCESS TO MAKE SMALL CHANGES TO OUR BUDGET ANNUALLY MUCH EASIER BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THOSE REGULAR, SMALL, CONSISTENT INCREASES TO JUST KEEP PACE WITH INFLATION. HONESTLY, THE SMALL CITIES BELOW US ON THIS GRAPH, YOU REFERENCED SOUTH JORDAN, BUT THEY'RE STRUGGLING. THEY HAVE SOME MAJOR FINANCIAL ISSUES THIS YEAR BECAUSE PROPERTY YOU'LL SEE IN A SECOND SALES TAXES ARE GOING TO FLATTEN OUT. AND

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WELL, I THINK I MENTIONED IT BEFORE. IT WAS INTERESTING WHEN I WENT TO SOUTH THAT THE ONE OF THE FIRST ABATEMENT, MOSQUITO ABATEMENT DISTRICT MEETINGS WE HAD, THEY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO START, WE PROBABLY HAVE TO RAISE PROPERTY TAXES THIS YEAR AND STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE TRUTH AND TAXATION PROCESS, ABOUT HOW PAINFUL IT IS. AND I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE DO IT EVERY YEAR. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE LEARNED TO DO IT EVERY YEAR. AND EVEN IF I HAVEN'T SUPPORTED EVERY TAX INCREASE, I SUPPORTED GOING TO TRUTH AND TAXATION EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO DO BETTER BUDGETS. AND IT'S LIKE, THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE. SO I'M GLAD WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT EVERY YEAR BECAUSE WE GET BETTER BUDGET PROCESSES JUST BY DOING IT, INSTEAD OF FORCING EVERYTHING INTO FIRST WEEK OF MAY, THE LAST WEEK IN JUNE, WE'VE GOT FIRST WEEK IN MAY THROUGH END OF AUGUST TO ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A BETTER BUDGET. AND THOSE RATES WHEN THOSE ADJUSTMENTS HAVE BEEN IN SINGLE DIGITS, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE CROWDS AND PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES. OH YEAH. EASY. ONE.

TORCH ONE PITCHFORK. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS KIND OF A COMPARISON WITH REAL DOLLARS. SO THIS IS AN ESTIMATE. I PUT 5% ON OUR AVERAGE HOME VALUE FROM LAST YEAR. I ADDED 5% JUST WITH AN ASSUMPTION. SO I BELIEVE OUR MARKET ESTIMATE WILL BE ABOUT 555,000 FOR THE AVERAGE HOME PRICE, WHICH IS A TAXABLE ESTIMATE OF 305,000. BUT I APPLY THE TAX RATES FROM THE PREVIOUS SCREEN BECAUSE NO ONE'S GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING YET. THEN THIS IS WHAT EACH CITY WILL HAVE PAID OR WILL RECEIVE FROM PROPERTY TAX. SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE AT LIKE $400. WE'RE BARELY UNDER SOUTH JORDAN LIKE $3 DIFFERENCE, RIGHT. AND $10 AWAY FROM MURRAY, 17 AWAY FROM HOLLADAY. AND THEN YOU START SEEING KIND OF A BIGGER BREAK THERE. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND HOW MANY OF THOSE CITIES HAVE AN EXTRA FEE FOR THESE? ALL OF THE ONES THAT HAVE A NUMBER 1 OR 2 NEXT TO THEM. OKAY. THOSE ARE THE. TWO INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER. RIGHT? RIGHT. YES. YEAH.

SO THE SO LIKE RIVERTON SAYS WE HAVE NO PROPERTY TAX. YOU WILL HEAR EVERY EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE THAT WORKS FOR RIVERTON CITY SAY WE RUN OUR CITY WITHOUT PROPERTY TAX. I'M LIKE NO YOU DON'T. NO YOU DON'T. I WAS I WAS WAITING TO SAY THIS, BUT YEAH, YOU WANT AN EASY POLITICAL SELL. OH, EASY. ELIMINATING PROPERTY TAX IN WEST JORDAN AND DOING IT JUST FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH WOULD, BY THE WAY, RAISE OUR PROPERTY TAX ABOUT 50% AND WE'D BE FLUSH WITH CASH BECAUSE NOW ALL OF OUR SALES TAX REVENUE ISN'T GOING TO PUBLIC SAFETY. WE HAVE MONEY TO GO TO ALL. OH YEAH, WE HAVE TONS OF MONEY FOR SERVICES. YEAH. THEY CAN DO LOTS OF THINGS OUTSIDE THE BUDGET BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW HOW WE WANT TO PAY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS OVER HERE WITH THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT POLITICALLY PALATABLE. RIGHT. THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT POLITICALLY PALATABLE. USING FIRE SEPARATE. AND THEN WE'RE ROLLING. ALL RIGHT, SO MAYOR'S BUDGET IS GOING TO AND I DID RECEIVE PERMISSION FROM THE MAYOR TO LET YOU KNOW THIS AHEAD OF TIME. THE MAYOR'S BUDGET WILL INCLUDE A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. THAT'S 2% ON THE AVERAGE HOME MARKET. EXCUSE ME. YOU'LL SEE. I HAVE THE SAME NUMBER THIS YEAR.

SORRY. I'M GOING TO HELP YOU HERE A LITTLE THIS YEAR, THEIR PROPERTY TAX NOTICE HAD A PROPERTY TAX OF 400. AND THEN REMEMBER WE GOT ALL THESE CRAZY QUESTIONS ABOUT A NEW BOND. AND WE'RE LIKE IT'S NOT A NEW BOND. THE COUNTY JUST TENDED TO MAKE ANOTHER LINE. SO THEY HAD ANOTHER LINE THAT SAID WEST JORDAN CITY BOND $15. SO THEIR TOTAL TAX FOR WEST JORDAN WAS $415 THIS YEAR. WELL, THAT GEO BOND, THIS IS OUR LAST YEAR. WE'RE DONE PAYING IT. IT'S PAID OFF NOW OKAY. SO NOW THEY'RE OR LARGE. WE HAD A. WHAT WAS THAT $175,000 A YEAR PAYMENT OR MORE IN REVENUE, 757 50 OKAY. SO NOW THEIR PROPERTY TAX BILL WILL STILL BE $400 BECAUSE OF TRUTH IN TAXATION, RIGHT? THE GEO BOND WILL FALL OFF. AND THEN THE MAYOR'S REQUESTED INCREASE IS 2% WHICH IS $8. SO THEIR NEW BILL WILL BE $408. SO WE'LL STILL BE LESS THAN WHAT THEIR WHAT THE

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THERE WE GO. HERE'S. OUR INFLATIONARY FACTOR FOR THIS YEAR. SO THIS IS DECEMBER OF 2024 FOR THE ANNUAL FOR THE YEAR WAS 2.212. SO THAT PROPERTY TAX INCREASE IS REALLY CLOSE TO THAT INFLATIONARY NUMBER. AND IT PROVIDES US WITH $400,000 OF STABLE ONGOING REVENUE, WHICH WAS NECESSARY FOR US TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AT ITS CURRENT STATE. SO WE'LL GO OVER SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SO GIVEN THE VOLATILITY. AND I KNOW WE'RE DOING AN INFLATION FACTOR OF 2.12, GIVEN THE VOLATILITY OF THE CURRENT MARKETS, WE CONFIDENT THAT THAT INFLATION FACTOR OF TWO IS SUFFICIENT. WE ARE NOT YET. AND WE'RE GOING WHILE WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU A BALANCED BUDGET, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BRING WITH THE MAYOR'S BUDGET SOME THINGS THAT WE DID NOT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PUT INTO THE BUDGET THAT WE WANT YOU TO SAY WE WANT TO EXPAND THIS SERVICE LEVEL. HERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE ARE IN NEED OF AS A CITY. LET'S PARTNER TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND THOSE. AND WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT? IS IT REDUCING SOMETHING OR OR ADDING MORE TO THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE? I BELIEVE THAT PARTNERSHIP REMINDER IN 2020 WE WERE FREAKING OUT AND IT WORKED OUT. SO I'M NOT SAYING THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE BAD THIS YEAR, BUT LET'S NOT GO OVERBOARD, RIGHT? THERE IS SOME SOFTWARE IN THERE THAT'S. TARGETED, RIGHT? YES. IT'S GOING NOWHERE. IT'S IN THERE. IT IS. IT IS TO THE MAYOR LIST AS TARIFFS TO GET INTO THIS. SO THAT'S A GREAT IDEA OKAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT SALES TAX REVENUE. THIS IS ALL SALES TAX REVENUE TOGETHER. IT IS ONGOING. AND ONE TIME MONEY WE'LL SHOW IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

THE THEM SEPARATED. BUT WE WANTED YOU TO SEE THIS. AND I ACTUALLY DID A LUNCH AND LEARN TODAY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SHOWED THEM THIS. THEY WERE LIKE OH SO IT DOES TELL THE STORY. WE WERE GROWING SO QUICKLY. AND SO EVERYONE WAS RIGHT. AND A LOT OF PLACES STARTED TO RELY ON THAT GROWTH. WE CAME UP WITH A PHILOSOPHY TOGETHER EARLY ON TO SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RELY ON THIS GROWTH. WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS AWAY BECAUSE WHEN THINGS SLOW DOWN, PRICES STILL INCREASE. WE STILL NEED WAGE INCREASES, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SOURCE FOR THAT. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SUPPORTING THAT PHILOSOPHY. SO WE DID NOT COUNT ON ALL OF THAT BIG GROWTH IN THE BEGINNING. BUT YOU'LL SEE IN 2022 AND 2023 WE STARTED TO STOP, RIGHT. THAT THAT ACCELERATION STARTED TO SLOW DOWN. AND THEN IN 2024, IT WAS ALMOST CONSISTENT. $300,000 WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT $33 MILLION, IS PRETTY MUCH NOTHING. WE'RE GOING TO SEE A SLIGHT DECREASE THIS YEAR. AND I JUST GOT NUMBERS JUST A MINUTE AGO, AND WE SAW 17% DECREASE IN FEBRUARY FROM LAST FEBRUARY. SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO SEE THAT SAME KIND OF SLOWDOWN IN SPENDING OVERALL AT LEAST. DO WE KNOW WHAT SECTORS ARE LEADING THE DECLINE. IT'S ACTUALLY ALL OVER. THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE NOT SEEING A DECLINE ARE FOOD, FAST FOOD. BUT WE'RE SEEING IT IN A LOT OF THE RETAIL SIDE. ANYTHING ELSE? THEY'RE EATING OUT A LOT. YEAH, FAST FOOD ONLY NOT NOT RESTAURANTS. NO FAST FOOD. RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT'S TRUE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE GOING TO REMAIN PRETTY FLAT WITH SALES TAX OVERALL PROJECTING THAT FORWARD USING WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW. THIS IS THE CHART THAT SHOWS YOU THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN WHAT WE REALLY DID VERSUS WHAT WE GOT. RIGHT. YOU SAW THOSE GREAT BIG SPIKES. WHAT WE DID WAS WE INCREMENTALLY THOSE DARK BLUE LINES ARE YOUR ONGOING REVENUE. WHAT WE COUNTED ON. SO WE CAN THIS YEAR AT THE 5% TO OUR ONGOING REVENUE BUDGET AND FEEL SAFE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN SO CONSISTENT DOING THAT YEAR OVER YEAR. BUT THAT ALSO REMOVES SOME OF THAT SALES TAX FROM ONE TIME REVENUE. IF THIS CONTINUES ONE MORE YEAR, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO A 5% INCREASE. WE'LL JUST HAVE TO DO WHATEVER IS SHOWING. BUT WE'VE GOT ONE MORE YEAR, OKAY. SO WE WANT TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE AND NOT DO THE 5% THIS YEAR. I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF A CONVERSATION THAT YOU'LL HAVE LATER ON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WELL WE'LL BE COMING TO YOU. WELL WE'RE GOING TO REMEMBER THE TAXES THAT ARE COMING IN JULY ARE BASED OFF OF PAST YEAR. RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT

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BUT WE GET IT EVERY RIGHT. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS OUR BUDGET ISN'T. WE WON'T SEE DECREASES UNTIL AFTER THE SUMMER BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL BUYING RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS A AS A SLOWDOWN RIGHT NOW, SHE SAID. 17% FEBRUARY FEBRUARY SALES FOR FEBRUARY DECREASED 17% FROM LAST FEBRUARY. SO WE ARE SEEING OKAY, BUT IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. IT'S JUST IT'S AN ECONOMIC PAUSE. THERE ARE A LOT OF UNCERTAINTIES RIGHT NOW WITH TARIFFS, OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE ECONOMY. INTEREST RATES ARE NOT COMING DOWN. AND SO CONSUMERS ARE A LITTLE UNCERTAIN. THEY'RE NOT SURE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR MONEY RIGHT NOW. REALLY THIS IS SHOWING OUR ONGOING REVENUE. AND AGAIN I SHOW THIS TO THE POLICE AND SAID THE COUNCIL'S DONE ALL THE HARD WORK. THEY'VE CONTINUALLY ADDRESSED OUR SERVICE LEVEL CHANGES AND ADDRESS PROPERTY TAX ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT OUR REVENUE HAS INCREASED AND THE PERCENTAGES ARE AT THE TOP IN GREEN. BUT THERE HAS BEEN A DRAMATIC SLOWDOWN TO THE INCREASE IN OUR ONGOING REVENUE OVER THAT TIME PERIOD. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BE READY FOR IN THE 2027 BUDGET, FOR SURE. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME FIVE YEAR STRATEGIES AND TIMELINES FOR TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT. THE 2% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE IS IN THAT ASSUMPTION AT $400,000. SO THE BUDGET YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHEN YOU GET IT IS A $75.6 MILLION ONGOING REVENUE AND EXPENSE. WE'RE BALANCED UP TO ABOUT $30,000.

WE'RE REALLY CLOSE TO BEING BALANCED, TO ONGOING, TO ONGOING. I THINK WE'RE OVER BY ABOUT $30,000, BUT THAT'S REALLY SMALL. OUR CHANGE YEAR TO YEAR. SO THIS IS 2024 AUDITED NUMBERS AND ACTUALS. WHAT I WHY I BRING THIS SCREEN TO YOUR ATTENTION IS BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE THAT PROPERTY TAX. WE HAD A HIGH GROWTH YEAR NEW GROWTH YEAR ON YEAR THAT YEAR. AND SO WE SAW SOME THINGS HIT OUR PROPERTY TAX ROLLS THAT WE WEREN'T EXPECTING. AND WE DID DO A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. THE SALES TAX IS CONSISTENT USING OUR 5%. THAT MEANS WE'RE TAKING IT OUT OF THIS NUMBER OVER HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A 5% GROWTH FRANCHISE TAX. WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE THERE. AND IT'S THERE'S A DIRECT NEXUS TO THE UTILITY RATE INCREASES SPECIFIC TO ELECTRICITY AND GAS. AND SO ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER WHEN THEY INCREASE THE RATE 80%, THAT INCREASES WHATEVER WE GET TO BY 18% OR OUR GOOGLE FIBER AND XFINITY INCLUDED IN THOSE NUMBERS, THEY ARE. YES. YEP. AND THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE INCREASE AS WELL. FINES AND FORFEITURES.

WE HAVE A NEW JUDGE, SO I'M HOPING TO SEE SOME CHANGE. BUT ALSO WE ARE BRINGING TO A CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE. WE JUST COMPLETED THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FEES STUDY BY ZIONS BANK, AND WE WILL BE BRINGING FEES TO YOU THAT ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. YOU JUST ADOPTED NEW IMPACT FEES, WHICH IS NOT IN THIS NUMBER, BUT WE ARE ADDRESSING FEES AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE KEEPING UP WITH WHAT OUR WHAT WE NEED AS WELL FOR THAT SERVICE LEVEL. AND THEN THE TRANSFER IN IS THE UTILITIES TRANSFER IN, WHICH IS OUR CHAIR'S FAVORITE LINE. AND THEN THE ONE TIME THAT'S WHERE I BROUGHT THIS SLIDE UP, THOUGH. YOU NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS THE TRANSFER TO THE CIP FUND. IT'S THE TRANSFER TO THE CIP FUND. AND THIS IS OUR EXPECTED TRANSFER TO THE CIP FUND FOR THE MOST PART, WHICH IS THAT'S MUCH, MUCH SMALLER. IT'S GOING DOWN QUICKLY. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT REVENUES. IT'S NOT A QUESTION. JUST SOMETHING TO POINT OUT JUST FOR ANYBODY LISTENING OR MAYBE EVEN FOR US. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHEN WE HAVE THOSE NEW GROWTH NUMBERS COME IN, THAT'S ALSO A NEW DRAIN ON SERVICES. YES. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE RAISE TAXES 10%. IT'S THAT WE RECEIVE 10% MORE. RIGHT? RAISE TAXES 10%. NO, YOU DID NOT RAISE TAXES. IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S JUST IMPORTANT. THAT'S THE NEW GROWTH NUMBER. LIKE WE ADDED DATA CENTER THAT LIKE BRINGS IT UP. IF YOU BUILD A NEW HOUSE YOU GET PROPERTY TAXES. NOW FROM THAT HOUSE. YOU ALSO NOW HAVE TO PROVIDE POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION FOR THAT HOUSE AND WHATEVER ELSE. RIGHT. AND THERE'S A DEFINITE DRAIN ON SERVICES. SO THAT'S WHY WE LIKE DATA CENTERS. SO THAT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WE CAN'T RELY ON GROWTH NUMBERS TO SATISFY OUR INFLATION CONCERNS, BECAUSE THEY ADD TO THE INFLATION CONCERN THEY DON'T SUBTRACT FROM IT. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU. THE BUDGET AND AUDIT COMMITTEE THAT GOT TOGETHER THIS YEAR, WE HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE REALLY LOOKING FOR. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING TO YOU THOSE NUMBERS. BUT WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR IS

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BUT THANK YOU TO THE BUDGET AND AUDIT COMMITTEE, BECAUSE YOU COMMUNICATED THAT WELL TO ME SO THAT I COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT BEFORE. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO EXPENSES NOW ON THE EXPENSE SIDE. SO THIS IS THE COMMUNITY, I'M SORRY, CONSUMER PRICE INDEX FOR OUR SPECIFIC AREA. SO IT'S THE MOUNTAIN WEST REGION. AND THIS IS FROM 2020 FORWARD. EVERYWHERE YOU SEE A LABEL IS THE FIRST QUARTER OF THAT YEAR. SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THAT CHANGED YEAR OVER YEAR. COUNCIL. THIS IS AN ANOMALY. IF CARBON WERE TALKING CARBON I LOVE NUMBERS. SO WE WERE TALKING. AND HONESTLY IF YOU LOOKED TEN YEARS BACK THIS DIDN'T DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. THIS JUST IT'S A BLIP IN TIME. AND SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS THE FEDS ARE DOING A, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GOOD JOB AT TRYING TO KEEP INFLATION DOWN OR GET IT TO COME DOWN FROM WHERE IT WAS. THIS IS A POST PANDEMIC SPIKE HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE INFLUX OF THE CASH THAT WAS GIVEN. YEAH, IT WAS FREE MONEY.

FREE MONEY. THEY WEREN'T. THERE'S NOTHING FREE ABOUT THAT MONEY. THERE'S NOTHING FREE ABOUT THAT MONEY. I KNOW, BUT IT DID INCREASE OUR SALES TAX REVENUE. IT DID. IT DID GOOD TO OUR SALES TAX REVENUE. SO AS OF THE LAST QUARTER. SO I JUST GOT MARCH NUMBERS. WE'RE AT 1.48% FOR THAT FIRST QUARTER OF 2025. SO JANUARY THROUGH MARCH. WE ARE I'M SHOWING YOU THIS AS A THIS IS A SCREEN THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS I HAD TO EXPLAIN THIS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 2020 CPI. THAT'S DECEMBER OF 2020. WE'RE PREPARING THE BUDGET IN MAY FOR 2021 TO 22. RIGHT. SO ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A TWO YEAR LAG BUT THERE'S NOT. THIS IS A SEVEN MONTH LAG. SO ON JULY 1ST DECEMBER CPI WAS 2.2% FOR THE YEAR. THE FOLLOWING JULY WE INCREASED WAGES BY 2%. SO THERE'S A DIRECT NEXUS TO IT, RIGHT? IN 2023, WE HAVE THE WAGE WAR WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR NOT POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE DIDN'T WAR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE IN GENERAL THROUGHOUT THIS, THIS WHOLE VALLEY, QUITE CANDIDLY. SO WE BEGAN DOING OUR MARKET STUDIES AND MARKET ADJUSTMENTS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND THAT'S REALLY HELPED US TO KEEP UP WITH MARKET OVERALL FOR ALL OF THE POSITIONS, SO THAT WE HELP INCREASE RETAINAGE. BUT 2022 CPI HIT 9.3 AND IN 2024 WE GIVE THEM A 4% COLA. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE IN 2023 IT WAS FOUR AND A HALF AND WE DID TWO. CURRENTLY IT'S A 2.1%. AND THE MAYOR'S BUDGET WILL ANNOUNCE A COLA WITH ON MAY 6TH. OUR MOST RECENT THREE MONTHS ARE 1.4, 1.8 AND 1.3 BY MONTH. YOU CAN SEE THAT CPI OVERALL FOR THAT TIME PERIOD WAS 23.1% FOR THE MOUNTAIN WEST REGION. AND THEN URS, THIS IS WHAT THEY WERE GIVING IT AS A COLA TO THEIR RETIREES. SO

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WE'VE DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB. THE FIRST YEAR WE DID MARKET ADJUSTMENTS, IT WAS MILLIONS.

SO, SO HAPPY TO TELL YOU IT'S ONLY $100,000 THIS YEAR. THERE WERE VERY FEW POSITIONS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THE MARKET. AND THEN THE COLA INCREASE THAT WILL BE ANNOUNCED IS GOING TO COST US $722,000. SO THE TOTAL INCREASE IS 2.283 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND. HOWEVER, 15% OF THAT GETS TRANSFERRED TO THE WATER FUND, THE WASTEWATER FUND, BLAH BLAH, BLAH FOR ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD THAT WE DO. SO IT DOES BRING US IN LINE WITH OUR PROJECTED REVENUE INCREASE OF $1.9 MILLION. SO THE HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE, WE WOULD JUST WE HAD SO IS IT BECAUSE WE

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UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE A STOP LOSS PROGRAM AT $250,000. THEY WOULD BE LIKE UP TO 230,000 AND NEVER HIT THAT STOP LOSS. SO WE WEREN'T QUITE GETTING TO WHERE WE WERE GETTING THE BANG FOR OUR BUCK. ON THAT STOP LOSS PROGRAM. EXCUSE ME. WE BELIEVE THAT WE WORKED WITH MANY OF THEM.

THERE'S ALSO HIGH, HIGH PRESCRIPTION COSTS, AND WE'RE REALLY WORKING HARD TO GET THAT DOWN BY USING MORE CREATIVE OPTIONS FOR PHARMACY. WE'RE PROVIDING PHARMACY THROUGH OUR CLINIC NOW, WHICH IS REDUCING OUR COST SUBSTANTIALLY, AND THEN ALSO WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE HIGH DOLLAR PHARMACEUTICALS TO FIND OTHER OPTIONS. IS THERE A GENERIC THAT'S AVAILABLE? IS THERE THIS DRUG THAT'S AVAILABLE OUT OF COUNTRY THAT WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE FOR US TO BRING IN FOR THEM? IS THERE SOME OTHER OPTION AVAILABLE? THIS IS P.

DOES P P USE LIKE EXPRESS SCRIPTS TO MANAGE? WE'RE USING IMA PHARMACEUTICAL WHICH IS OUR BROKER, AND THEY DO A LOT OF REALLY CREATIVE. YEAH PHARMACEUTICAL MANAGEMENT OPTIONS. SO I THINK THAT WE'RE WORKING HARD AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH A LOT IN THIS NEXT YEAR. BUT WE'RE GOING TO NEED A SHOT IN THE ARM OKAY. HEALTH INSURANCE NEEDS A SHOT IN THE ARM. YES IT DOES. A VACCINE MAYOR IS WEARING OFF ON YOU, DENISE. THIS IS OUR GENERAL FUND. SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE SLIGHTLY OFF BALANCE, BUT NOT A TON. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE $75.5 MILLION IN REVENUE. AND OUR ONGOING EXPENSES ARE ABOUT 75.621. SO LIKE I SAID, 40 OR 30 OR $40,000 THERE. AND THEN OUR ONE TIME WE HAVE WE'RE TRANSFERRING A LOT OF IT OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND. BUT YOU'LL ALSO SEE SOME ONE TIME EXPENSES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DO THIS YEAR IS WE MOVED ELECTIONS INTO A ONE TIME EXPENSE. WELL, IT HAPPENS EVERY OTHER YEAR.

WE'RE SEEING FLUCTUATIONS IN THAT ELECTION COST. THAT'S KIND OF CRAZY. SO WE DECIDED TO DEDICATE SOME OF OUR ONE TIME REVENUES TO THAT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PROGRAM THAT IN AS A ONE TIME EXPENSE WITHOUT THE STATES MESSING WITH THAT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE. YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. NOW I HAVE ABSOLUTE COMPASSION FOR THEM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT COST BEFORE AN ELECTION EVEN OCCURS? IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT. CHANGE IS GOING TO BE $600,000 PER COUNTY FOR A POLICE OFFICER STABBED BY THE BALLOT BOX. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THAT WAS CRAZY. ALRIGHT. SO THIS IS KIND OF THAT IN CHART FORM, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE LIKE WHAT ARE THE PIECES OF THE PIE? AND TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB, THIS IS OUR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. IT'S 30% OF OUR REVENUE STREAM AT $22.8 MILLION. THIS IS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PIECE OF THE PIE AT $47.49 MILLION. RIGHT. IT WOULD BE MORE THAN DOUBLE OUR PROPERTY TAX RATE. IT WOULD BE 125% INCREASE. YEAH. SUBSTANTIAL COUNCIL WE'VE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT WE WOULD HAVE NO PROPERTY TAX 108% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. THEN WE HAVE WE'D HAVE NO PROPERTY TAX. WE'D HAVE NO PROPERTY TAX. YEAH. THE CITY WAS WRONG. NO PROBLEM. YEAH. COUNCIL WE'VE TALKED MANY TIMES ABOUT THAT REVENUE DIVERSIFICATION IMPORTANCE. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING AS WE HAVE 30% PROPERTY TAX REVENUE 42% OF SALES TAX. WE'RE STILL REALLY SALES TAX DEPENDENT. AND THEN KIND OF THE OTHER REVENUES ARE MAKING UP THE OTHER LEG OF THE STOOL, SO TO SPEAK. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU SEE THAT WE'VE REALLY BEEN FOCUSING A LOT ON PUBLIC SERVICES AND WE'VE GROWN THOSE SERVICES. SO THAT'S YOUR PARKS AND EVENTS. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY OUTPACED OUR PUBLIC WORKS SPENDING RIGHT NOW, MOSTLY BECAUSE WE'RE INVESTING SO MUCH INTO THE COMMUNITY EVENTS. IT'S NOT SO MUCH PARK IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE THOSE ARE CIP. BUT WE'VE ALSO ADDED STAFF TO PARKS AT A GREATER ACCESS THAN WE HAVE TO PUBLIC WORKS RIGHT NOW. AND THEN DEBT. WE HAVE PAID OFF ALL OUR DEBT. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE LEFT ARE IS THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. SO THAT'S THE RENT FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING THAT WE PAY TO THE MBA THAT PAYS THE DEBT. SO WE HAVE NO MORE GENERAL FUND DEBT. WE HAVE A BOND COMING UP.

WE HAVE A BOND FOR THIS, FOR THE FIELDS, BUT THEY ARE PAID FOR BY PARK IMPACT FEES. OKAY. SO

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AND THEN WE HAVE A $50,000 SALES TAX REBATE TO SPORTSMAN'S WAREHOUSE. BOTH OF THOSE COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE GET THAT REVENUE IN FROM ITS TRANSFER TO THE RDA, AND THE RDA PAYS BACK THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE THAT OCCURRED THERE. SO LONGER PARKING DO WE HAVE ON THOSE. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG WILL THOSE AGREEMENTS ARE I CAN'T REMEMBER. YEAH I'LL HAVE TO CHECK. JUST BE INTERESTING TO KNOW HOW CLOSE WE ARE BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK WE COULD REPAY THOSE. I WANT TO SAY IT WAS LIKE 10 OR 15 YEARS. IT'S NOT A AND THERE'S STILL A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT. WHAT IS IT? COUNCILMEMBER JACOBS SAID CAN WE PREPAY THOSE? AND SO THERE IS A QUESTION, NOT BECAUSE THERE'S A DIRECT LIKE THEY GET A DIRECT REBATE OF THEIR MUNICIPAL ENERGY TAX. SO IF ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER RAISES THEIR RATE 18%, THEY HAVE TO PAY. IF IT'S THE MUNICIPAL ENERGY TAX. BUT IF IT'S JUST SOME SORT OF TIF $50, YEAH, $50,000 A YEAR. SO THE COUNTY MONEY FOR THE ARTS CENTER. YOU KNOW, DON'T GET IT UNTIL WE FINISH THE REIMBURSEMENT ON EXPENSES. I'LL CHECK WITH JEREMY, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'VE GIVEN US THE MONEY YET BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO. YOU HAVE TO SPEND IT. RIGHT. THE BUILDING FINISHED. WE'VE SPENT IT. OR AT LEAST. A PORTION OF SOMEONE'S GOT TO REIMBURSEMENT CHECK. BUT THERE'S 2 MILLION.

WONDERING IF WE'LL GET IT. THIS. WE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR IT AS A AS AN EXPECTED REVENUE. WE WOULD RECORD IT AS A RECEIVABLE THIS YEAR. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD SWITCH FROM BEING A RECEIVABLE TO, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL GRANT REVENUE. NO, WE HAVE NOT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND LAST OF ALL ABOUT PERSONNEL, THE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WAGES. SO THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT ONE. AND IT WAS NICE TO SEE THE POLICE OFFICERS GO, OH 70 OR ALMOST 70% OF EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE SPEND GOES RIGHT INTO THEIR POCKET. AND THEN $0.30 OF EVERY DOLLAR IS PAID FOR THEIR BENEFITS. AND A LOT OF TIMES EMPLOYEES FORGET THAT. RIGHT? SO THEY'RE LIKE, I ONLY MAKE $20 AN HOUR. WELL, NO, YOU'RE MAKING $28 AN HOUR. SO. BUT WE'RE JUST PAYING IT IN BENEFITS. ALL RIGHT. SO SOME OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE BUDGET. NOW WE'VE GONE NOW THIS IS AWAY FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND JUST KIND OF UMBRELLA IT FOR YOU. WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST A TRANSITION. OUR CUSTODIAL SERVICES FROM CONTRACT TO IN-HOUSE WITH A NEUTRAL COST. SO IT WON'T COST ANY DIFFERENT FROM THE CONTRACT. BUT WE'RE HOPING TO GET A BETTER SERVICE LEVEL BIG TIME. THERE'LL BE TWO FULL TIME POSITIONS AND FIVE PART TIME POSITIONS. FOUR YEAR REVIEW. THERE'S FIVE FULL TIME OTHER EMPLOYEES IN THE BUDGET AND FOUR PART TIME EMPLOYEES, AND THEY'RE KIND OF DISPERSED BETWEEN DIFFERENT SERVICES AND FUNDS. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE $10.1 MILLION OF ROAD MAINTENANCE.

THIS IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR EXACTLY. IT'S OVERLAYS AND ROAD PROJECTS. NOT NEW ROADS, NOT NEW ROAD CONSTRUCTION. IT IS STRICTLY ROAD MAINTENANCE. AND BRIAN IS SUPER HAPPY. SO WE ALSO HAVE A FIVE YEAR PLAN TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS BALANCE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS SO THAT WE CAN REALLY GET THOSE ROADS PRETTY HARD. SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN GO TO GET BACK WITH ME LATER. I KNOW THERE'S A LOCAL ROAD THAT MIGHT WANT TO GET OVERLAID. RIGHT. OKAY. 1300 WEST FIRST.

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[ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS]

ONE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM. COUNCIL WASN'T PLANNING ON THIS, BUT THE INTRODUCTION WAS. WE ARE WORKING ON REQUESTING FEDERAL SUPPORT FOR A WATER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY WATER TANK ZONE FIVE NORTH TANK. WE NEED TO GET OUR FEDERAL APPLICATION IN BY THE END OF THIS WEEK. PART OF THAT APPLICATION PROCESS IS ASKING THE COUNCIL TO SIGN A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR OUR REQUEST FOR FUNDS FOR THIS. FOR THIS WATER TANK, WARREN AND ALLEN HAVE A LETTER IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO SIGN IT. WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THE LETTER OF SUPPORT ON THAT. YEAH, GETTING IT IN BEFORE THEY GET ALL THAT. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHY DON'T YOU JUST PASS IT DOWN THE DAIS ONCE WE GET THERE? THANK YOU. WE'LL WORK IT OUT. OKAY. SO REAL QUICK, THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO KNOW. WE. THE CITY WAS AWARDED $150,000 TODAY FROM WASATCH FRONT TO DO THE JORDAN VALLEY STATION AREA PLAN. IT'S GOING TO BE SMALLER SCOPE BECAUSE HALF OF IT'S ALREADY BUILT OUT. SO THAT WAS JUST AWARDED. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THAT, RIGHT? BY THE HOSPITAL. HOSPITAL, HOSPITAL. OH YEAH. I CAN SEE WHY YOU WOULD THINK THAT. OKAY. SO THAT'LL BE COMING. YEAH.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.