[CALL TO ORDER]
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          SIX. I CALL TO ORDER THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WORK SESSION FOR APRIL 29TH, 2025. JUST A QUICK ITEM OF DISCUSSION. TODAY'S MEETING WAS SET TO DISCUSS COUNCIL PRIORITIES. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE ALSO FELT THAT WE HAD A FEW TOPICS THAT WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS AS WELL. SO WE DO HAVE THREE TOPICS THAT WE'LL DISCUSS FIRST. AND THEN ONCE WE FINISH UP THOSE THREE WE WILL DO DISCUSSION TOPIC D, WHICH WILL BE OUR COUNCIL PARTIES, WHICH WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A FEW MONTHS AGO. SO OUR FIRST DISCUSSION TOPIC TONIGHT IS PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE PROPOSED 2024 SANITARY SEWER MASTER PLAN UPDATE. MAY I INTERRUPT YOU? WELL, YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THAT. YEAH. OKAY. I WAS GOING TO GIVE A MINUTE TO MR. MAYOR BURTON. HE'S GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR OUR NEW POSITION. GO AHEAD. GREAT. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS COMMUNITY OUTREACH COORDINATOR PERSON, AND WE HAVE FILLED THAT SPOT. GLORIA, WOULD YOU STAND FOR A MOMENT? IN FACT, COME UP AND IN CASE SOMEONE WANTS TO TALK TO YOU, THE MIC, YOU CAN SIT DOWN. 
          COME ON UP. HE'S PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT. SO? SO SHE HAS BEEN IN THAT POSITION FOR ONE WHOLE WEEK AND A DAY NOW. AND SHE ACTUALLY HAS HER OWN CARDS NOW. SO HER TITLE IS COMMUNITY OUTREACH COORDINATOR. SO SHE COORDINATES ALL THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY. AND SHE JUST BARELY WALKED OUT OF A MEETING TO GET READY FOR THE NINE OVER 11 DAY OF SERVICE AND EVENTS. AND SHE IS JUST SO EXCITED ABOUT THE FANTASTIC THINGS THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE HAVING HAPPEN IN THERE. FROM ALL THE VOLUNTEERS ACROSS THE CITY. BUT TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOU. I KNOW SOME OF YOU KNOW HER, BUT SOME OF YOU MAY NOT. THAT MICROPHONE ON. GLORIA, YOU CAN SIT DOWN IF YOU WANT. THERE WE GO. SO MY NAME IS GLORIA. I'M ORIGINALLY FROM PUERTO RICO. I'VE BEEN IN UTAH FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS. I'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY FOR ABOUT 15, 20 YEARS, STUDIED IN ENGINEERING, AND THEN WENT TO PUBLIC WORKS. CAME BACK TO CITY HALL, WORK BUSINESS LICENSING FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. AND NOW I GET THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY. LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL THE COMMITTEES AND VOLUNTEERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, AND MAKE THIS CITY A GREAT PLACE TO BE AT. SO THANK YOU. SO WE CAN'T SAY WELCOME TO THE CITY BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN IN THE CITY A LONG TIME, BUT WELCOME TO YOUR NEW POSITION. THANK YOU. HOW MANY LANGUAGES DO YOU SPEAK? HOW WHAT HOW MANY LANGUAGES DO YOU SPEAK? ESPANOL. ENGLISH. I'M FULLY BILINGUAL. I FEEL THE SAME WAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND UNLESS YOU HAD ANYTHING ELSE, I WAS GOING TO LET HER GO HOME FROM RIGHT NOW. UNLESS YOU WANT TO STAY FOR THREE HOURS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY. I THINK I'LL GO HOME. 
          OKAY. GO HOME SO WE DON'T HAVE TO STAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO GREG SAYS THE 
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 Presentation of the proposed updates to the 2024 Sanitary Sewer Master Plan]
2024. DOES THAT MEAN SHOULD IT BE 2025? WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SO LONG. RIGHT. SO THAT IS THE TITLE THAT OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE STARTED THIS WITH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, I'M SURE THAT WE WILL CHANGE THAT WHEN IT FINALLY GETS ADOPTED. I THINK THEY STARTED THIS AT THE END OF 2023. SO WE ARE NOW A YEAR AND A HALF INTO THIS. THAT'S WHY I'M EXCITED THAT WE CAN FINALLY START. THE THIS PROCESS. AS YOU AS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER AGAIN, MY NAME IS GREG DAVENPORT. I'M THE PUBLIC UTILITIES DIRECTOR. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ME. I'M HERE TO JUST INTRODUCE THIS PLAN TO YOU. THE SANITARY SEWER MASTER PLAN IS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN. AND SO IT HAS TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO GO BEFORE THE PUBLIC MULTIPLE TIMES. THEN IT HAS TO GO BEFORE YOU TO BE ADOPTED. THIS IS JUST SO THAT IT CAN BE INTRODUCED TO YOU FIRST, AND THEN TO THE REST OF THE PUBLIC, SO THEY CAN START MAKING PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND WE CAN START MAKING ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE BEFORE IT REACHES FINAL ADOPTION. THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN IS THAT IT LOOKS AT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM AND SEES WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE ANY DEFICIENCIES. IT TRIES TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AND SEE WHERE WE HAVE NEEDS, AND THEN IT TAKES THOSE NEEDS AND PREPARES A CAPITAL FACILITIES PLAN. AND THAT SAYS IT WAS UPDATED IN 2015, BUT ACTUALLY THE LAST TIME WAS 2019, RIGHT BEFORE COVID. A LOT HAS HAPPENED, AND SO YOU MIGHT SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE IF I TRIED TO ATTACH TO THIS REPORT 
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THE OLD 2019 VERSION AND THIS ONE, I KNOW THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH IN THERE, BUT IF YOU JUST GO LOOK AT THE CAPITAL FACILITIES PLAN FOR BOTH IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, I THINK YOU'LL NOTICE BIG CHANGES THAT TAKE THAT TOOK PLACE. AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO TALK WITH ME ABOUT THIS OR SEND QUESTIONS THROUGH THE MAYOR ANYTIME IN THE NEXT 4 OR 5 MONTHS BEFORE I BRING IT BACK TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THIS REPORT CUSTOMER FRIENDLY. SOMETIMES I THINK THAT THESE MASTER PLANS ARE MADE JUST FOR ENGINEERS AND NOT FOR THE PUBLIC. AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THIS MORE FOR THE PUBLIC. THIS IS A MAP OF OUR EXISTING SYSTEM RIGHT NOW. OUR EXISTING COLLECTION SYSTEM FOR SANITARY SEWER IS REALLY MADE UP OF THREE MAIN TRUNK LINES. THOSE TRUNK LINES RUN ALONG 70 SOUTH. THEY RUN IN THE BLUE, THEY RUN ALONG 70TH SOUTH AND THE GREEN HERE. 
          AND FROM THIS PICTURE AND THEN THEY RUN ALONG THE RED WHICH IS 90TH SOUTH. THERE'S A LITTLE THAT THEY'VE GOT THERE IN PURPLE, BUT I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THEY GO STRAIGHT TO THE MAIN PIPELINE AND GO TO THE PLANT. SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY IN ANY TRUNK LINE, THE PURPLE TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE THERE. THAT'S KEARNS. AND THAT REALLY DOESN'T GO THROUGH OUR SYSTEM. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE WE OWN A COLLECTION SYSTEM AND WE'RE PART OWNERS IN A TREATMENT PLANT. THE THIS MASTER PLAN AGAIN SHOWED THAT WE ARE OUR EXISTING SYSTEM CAN HANDLE THE EXISTING FLOWS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH WITH NOT MANY CHANGES TO IT. 78TH IS THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT SYSTEM. 
          IT HAS PIPES THAT RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 36IN IN SIZE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FIFTH TO 30, AND THEN 15 AND THEN TEN. BY THE TIME YOU GET TO 64 WEST AND 90TH SOUTH. SO 90TH SOUTH STARTS AT A 21 INCH PIPE AND GOES TO A 1570. A SOUTH GOES FROM A 30 INCH PIPE AT THE RIVER ALL THE WAY TO 24. 
          BY THE TIME YOU GET TO 32 WEST. THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF ANY GENERAL PLAN. AND I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS DID. SO WEIRD RIGHT THERE. THAT'S SO STRANGE. IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT WAY ON MY SCREEN, BUT. SO MAYBE I'LL HAVE TO TELL YOU. DARN IT. IS THAT HOW THAT REFORMATTED? IT WON'T SHOW THE VALUES AT ALL. OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANKS. ANYWAY, IF YOU NOTICE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF ANY MASTER PLAN ARE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AND DECIDING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PLAN FOR. I PUT THOSE HERE UP ON THAT SCREEN. THE GENERAL PLAN DENSITY RIGHT NOW FOR VERY LOW DENSITY IS 1 TO 3 UNITS PER ACRE. THE GENERAL PLAN UNIT DENSITY FOR LOW DENSITY IS THREE 3 TO 5 UNITS PER ACRE. FOR MEDIUM DENSITY IT'S 5 TO 10. FOR HIGH DENSITY IT IS 10 TO 25. 
          THOSE AREAS ARE SPECIFICALLY SHOWN ON THE GENERAL PLAN AND I CAN PLAN FOR THEM. THERE'S A COUPLE AREAS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC FOR ME AS A PROFESSIONAL, AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR YOU GUYS, WHERE I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT I BRING IT UP TO YOU AND YOU REALIZE WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND THEN YOU CAN GIVE ME FEEDBACK ON AND THAT IS IN THE OVERLAY ZONES. SO IN THE OVERLAY ZONES I HAVE CAPPED WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, WHAT I'M GOING TO PLAN FOR AT 25 UNITS PER ACRE. THAT CAN GO TO SOMETHING MUCH GREATER. I'M NOT SURE THE MAX MAYBE SCOTT COULD HELP ME WITH THAT, BUT IT USED TO BE FIVE YEARS AGO. THERE WAS NO MAX FOR THAT. I THINK THAT IN OUR LAST MASTER PLAN, THEY MIGHT HAVE CAPPED IT AT SOMETHING ELSE NOW, BUT THAT'S THAT'S BEEN REALLY DIFFICULT TO PLAN FOR. THE REASON WHY IT'S SO DIFFICULT IS BECAUSE THOSE OVERLAY AREAS MAY OR MAY NOT EVEN HAPPEN. I'VE KEPT THEM AT 25 FOR THE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. AND LET ME I HAVE TWO SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT I WANT TO EXPLAIN ABOUT. ONE OF THE PROJECTS WAS BOWMAN'S ZERO. 
          IF YOU REMEMBER THAT THAT WAS AN INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE, AND HE WANTED SOMETHING LIKE 100 UNITS PER ACRE, AND WE HAD ONLY BUDGETED HIM FOR 25. IF HE HAD COME IN, HE WOULD HAVE HIS IMPACT WOULD HAVE BEEN $15 MILLION JUST IN SEWER, BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO UPGRADE THE SEWER LINE FROM MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 4000 WEST. HE WOULD HAVE TO UPSIZE IT TWICE. I DIDN'T WANT TO. I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN A MASTER PLAN BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THE DIRECT RESULT OF ONE SPECIFIC PROJECT, AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT EITHER CHARGING 
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THAT TO MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENTS OR TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AND THEN I WAS EVEN MORE CONCERNED ABOUT, WELL, WHAT IF I BUILD IT? AND THEN THAT DENSITY NEVER CAME IN AND I COULDN'T EVEN COLLECT IMPACT FEES FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S THAT WAS MY FIRST ONE. RIGHT TO NOW IF YOU IF, YOU KNOW, THE HOSPITAL HAS BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY AND IT PROBABLY WILL NOT GO AT SOMETHING MORE DENSE THAN 25 UNITS PER ACRE. SO THAT'S WHY THESE AREAS GIVE ME SO MUCH DIFFICULTY. ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THIS IS OF A ONE PROJECT THAT CAN CAUSE PROBLEMS IN A CITY WHEN IT COULD BE TOO DENSE IS THE FACEBOOK DEVELOPMENT. THE FACEBOOK HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN THE 2019 PLAN AND YOU MAY NOT REMEMBER, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S SOME BIG CHANGES ALONG 90 OF SOUTH. OH, SORRY, THE THERE THERE WERE LARGE CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE ON 90TH BECAUSE OF ONE PROJECT, THE FACEBOOK PROJECT, WHICH WAS GOING TO COST THE CITY AGAIN MORE THAN $25 MILLION, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT IN THIS PLAN. AND BECAUSE NOW AMAZON HAS GONE IN ITS PLACE. AMAZON HAS A TINY FOOTPRINT AND A TINY DEMAND FOR WATER AND SEWER. AND SO NOW I DON'T NEED TO PUT AS MUCH MONEY INTO THE 90 AS SOUTH SEWER LINE AS WE DID BEFORE. SO BEFORE, IF WE HAD PUT IT INTO THE PLAN, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY THAN IF FOR SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE COME SO IN THE NEXT FEW. YEAH. WAS THE FACEBOOK THING FOR COOLING WATER COOLING? THAT'S CORRECT. SO IN 2019 THEY WERE THINKING THAT THAT AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS FACEBOOK. IT COULD HAVE BEEN I'M SORRY. IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANY COMPANY THERE. I'M NOT SURE IF ANY DATA CENTER A DATA CENTER. RIGHT. YEAH. AND. OH OKAY. GOOD FOR YOU. I CERTAINLY GOT WORRIED ANYWAY. BECAUSE OF THEIR COOLING DEMANDS. THEY HAD A VERY HIGH DISCHARGE RATE FOR SEWER, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR. 
          WHERE THAT'S NOT WHAT AMAZON DOES AT ALL. IN FACT, THE NEW DATA CENTERS AREN'T DOING THE WATER COOLING AT ALL ANYMORE. SO THAT'S REALLY DOWNSIZED. THE SEWER DEMAND FOR US. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING IT. YOU HAVE FOUR MONTHS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE ON THAT TODAY, BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO THINK ABOUT. WHAT I DO IN THOSE OVERLAND ZONES AND HOW WE PLAN. HOW DOES THE NEW TERRAIN AREA AFFECT OUR SEWERS? IS THAT GOING? ARE THEY GOING TO STILL CONNECT TO OUR SEWER? DO THEY CONNECT TO THE KERNS? THERE'S SOME PARTS OF THE TERRAIN THAT WILL CONNECT INTO OUR CITY SYSTEM, AND THERE'S SOME PARTS THAT WENT TO KERNS. 
          THE TRAIN SYSTEM THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT INTO OURS WILL HAVE THE SAME IMPACT AS IT WOULD HAVE IF THEY WOULDN'T HAVE UPSIZED AT ALL. OH, WE'RE GOOD WE DON'T HAVE TO UPSIZE FOR TERRAIN. 
          OKAY? NO, THE CURRENT PLAN ALSO CONSIDERS THE IMPACT OF SOMETHING LIKE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. SO SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO 25 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S A REALLY DENSE AMOUNT. SO GO AHEAD CALVIN. THERE WAS THERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE HAD THERE WAS THE TALK OF WHEN WE WERE BUILDING SOME STUFF THAT AND I KNOW WE'VE UPGRADED THAT THAT LINE OUT IN FRONT OF COPPER HILLS. ARE THERE. I DIDN'T SEE I DIDN'T SEE IN THE I DIDN'T GO ALL THROUGH ALL 243 PAGES. SORRY. BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAYS, ARE THERE ANY LINES THAT ARE AT THEIR MAX THAT WE CAN'T BUILD ANY MORE WITHOUT CHANGING THAT LINE? THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE ON HERE. LET ME GO TO THE NEXT PLAN, THIS PROPOSED PROJECT PLAN. EVERY ONE OF THOSE LITTLE PROJECTS ARE AREAS THAT WE HAVE SOME DEFICIENCIES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES IN WITH THE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT I JUST TOLD YOU, WITH THOSE DENSITIES THAT WE WERE GUESSING MOST OF THE AREAS EXISTING RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE HANDLED THOSE. THERE ARE A COUPLE DEVELOPMENTS INSIDE JORDAN LANDING WHERE THEY WANT TO BUILD HOTELS THAT WE DIDN'T EVER IMAGINE THEM BEING HOTELS THERE, THAT WE HAVE AN UNDERSIZED LINE OR TWO, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE EXISTING RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. THE FUTURE. THERE WILL BE THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW HOW ACCURATE THE BUILD OUT, HOW ACCURATE ARE THE BUILD OUT PROTECTIONS, AND ARE THERE ANY ANTICIPATED CHANGES IN THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING THAT MIGHT ALTER THESE PROTECTIONS FOR THINGS LIKE THESE HOTELS? THE HARDEST PART FOR ME IS IF YOU HAD ASKED ME IN 2019 HOW THE 
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CITY WAS GOING TO BUILD, I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN HOW IT ACTUALLY BUILDED TODAY. THAT IS THE MAGIC IN THIS REPORT AND THAT IS THE RISK. YEAH, RIGHT. SO THE MORE CONSERVATIVE I AM, THE MORE I PUT INTO THIS. AND I SAY, OH, WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE EVERY PIPE THE MORE IT COSTS YOU, IT COSTS THE CITY. THE, THE MORE TIGHT I TRY AND GUESS. AND I WORK WITH SCOTT ON THAT, THEN THE LESS IT COSTS THE RATEPAYERS AND IT COSTS AND THE IMPACT FEES. WELL AND THEN BASED ON THAT, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC AREAS WITHIN THAT SEWER SYSTEM THAT REQUIRE IMMEDIATE ACTION DUE TO THE CURRENT CAPACITY DEFICIENCIES? I'M NOT AWARE CURRENTLY OF ANY AREA THAT IMMEDIATELY NEEDS AN UPGRADE. WE HAVE FIXED THOSE ISSUES IN THE LAST ONE. WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS ALONG 13TH THAT WE HAVE FIXED THAT WERE A PROBLEM. DON'T BRING UP MY STREET. WELL THAT WAS A 1300 WEST AND GRIZZLY WAY WAS ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT LIKE ARE WE YOU KNOW, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT AREA. HOW ARE WE PLANNED SUFFICIENTLY TO UPGRADE AND CONTINUE FIXING THAT? WE WILL FIX ANY AREAS THAT ARE DEFICIENT. RIGHT NOW I HAVE FOUR MONTHS STILL LEFT WITH THIS. I'M STILL PLAYING WITH THIS, WITH THE CONSULTANT. REMEMBER, I WANT THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT THIS. IT'S NOT A FINAL PROJECT, FINAL PRODUCT. SOMETIMES OUR MODELS HAVE WRONG SLOPES, SO WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND RESURVEY. SOMETIMES THEY HAVE A WRONG PIPE SIZE. IN PREPARING FOR THIS, I NOTICED ONE PIPE SIZE THAT'S WRONG ALREADY THAT I HAVE VERIFIED THAT I WILL GO TELL OUR CONSULTANT. RIGHT? AND SO AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS THE START OF THIS. THIS IS NOT THE END. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WHEN I COME BACK TO YOU GUYS, I WILL HAVE A BETTER MAP THAT IS ZOOMED IN FOR YOU. WELL, THAT WAS ALSO MY OTHER QUESTION IS LIKE WHAT ARE THE I MEAN, I KIND OF KNOW SOME OF IT, BUT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE STEPS THAT WE'RE DOING ON THESE OLDER SEGMENT SEGMENTS OF THE SEWER SYSTEM, LIKE 7800 SOUTH ARE, YOU KNOW, BEING REPLACED OR UPGRADED BEFORE THEY FAIL. SO WE'RE PRETTY LUCKY IN THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN FOR SEWER ANYWAY, I THINK. LET ME EXPLAIN THAT JUST FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, A LOT OF OUR OLDER PIPES WERE MADE IN CLAY. CLAY HAS THE LONGEST SERVICE LIFE. IF IT DOESN'T GET PHYSICALLY ABUSED, JOSTLED OF MOST PIPES THAT I KNOW. SO I JUST. LAST YEAR I LOOKED AT A VIDEOTAPE OF A PIPE IN DIXIE VALLEY THAT WAS PUT IN 60 YEARS AGO. THAT LOOKS THE GOOD. AS THE DAY THAT IT WENT IN, IT WAS CLAY. SOME PIPES, LIKE CONCRETE. THEY DON'T LOOK THAT GOOD. YOU THINK CONCRETE WOULD LAST LONGER THAN CLAY? BUT IT DOES NOT. AND SO WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO EVERY YEAR IS WE SPEND MONEY TO LINE THOSE WITH PVC LINER. AND SO IF YOU'LL NOTICE IN YOUR BUDGET EVERY YEAR WE TRY AND DO ABOUT A HALF $1 MILLION, OR SOMETIMES I WILL SAVE TWO YEARS AND WE'LL PUT A PROJECT TOGETHER AND DO A MILLION. IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO SEE THAT IN PERSON. AND WHEN WE DO THAT, YOU SHOULD SEE IT. IT'S A IT'S A VERY INTERESTING PROCESS. A VERY GOOD PROCESS, I GUESS WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU SAT IN THE MEETING LAST, LAST WEEK AND WE HAVE WE'RE GETTING THE CONSTANT BARRAGE OF, OH, WE NEED TO BUILD HERE AND WE NEED TO BUILD MORE DENSE. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A WATER ISSUE AND THAT'S A THAT'S NOT TONIGHT'S TOPIC. BUT IF WE GET THE WATER, THAT WATER'S GOT TO GO DOWNSTREAM SOMEHOW. RIGHT. 
          AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE AS WE HAVE THIS PLAN, THAT IF SOMEBODY COMES INTO US AND SAYS, HEY, I WANT TO BUILD 20 UNITS AN ACRE, 30 UNITS AN ACRE, 60 UNITS ON FOUR ACRES. 
          THAT WE CAN SAY AND WE CAN'T. YES, WE PLAN FOR THAT OR SORRY, THAT DOESN'T WORK, AND SAY, DING! WRONG ANSWER. THANK YOU FOR PLAYING. AND, YOU KNOW, BRING US AT A BETTER PLAN. I WANT TO BE IN THAT POSITION SO THAT WE REALLY HAVE THE FIDELITY ON WHAT CAN WE WHAT WHAT WHAT. 
          GIVEN YOU KNOW, IT, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF OUR VOLUMES, CAN WE EXPAND VOLUME IF WE EXPAND THE VOLUME, WHAT'S THE COST? OR DO WE SAY, NO, WE'RE AT OUR MAX VOLUME AND 
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WE ARE GOING TO GO WITH WHAT WE PLANNED. AND THAT'S I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SIMPLE. SO THAT WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HECK'S GOING ON IN THE CITY. 
          OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FEW. SORRY. GOOD. DON'T BE SORRY. THIS IS THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS. WELL, AND I AND THIS IS WHEN I CAN STILL MAKE. I GOT TONS OF TIME TO MAKE CHANGES. THIS WHOLE REPORT. CAN I APOLOGIZE IF I, BECAUSE I TOO WAS TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE REPORT. SO IF THIS ANSWERS IN THERE I APOLOGIZE. BUT I THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I WHILE I WAS GOING THROUGH IT, I WANTED TO HAVE YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE MEASURES THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT HELP MONITOR AND REDUCE THE INFLOW AND INFILTRATION INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM, AND HOW THOSE ARE REFLECTED IN THE NEW PLAN. SO A LOT OF THE INFLOW THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAPPENS IN HIGH GROUNDWATER AREAS, BECAUSE THOSE THOSE HIGH GROUNDWATER AREAS IN OUR CITY HAPPEN FROM FROM REDWOOD ROAD DOWN TO THE RIVER. SO AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF LUCKY BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY A LITTLE PART OF OUR CITY. AS I GO THROUGH AND LINE THOSE WITH A PVC LINER, THERE WILL NOT BE CHANCES FOR THAT GROUNDWATER TO INFILTRATE, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE SEALED THE JOINTS. GROUNDWATER INFILTRATION HAPPENS AT JOINTS AND THEN INSIDE MANHOLES. OKAY, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DOING. 
          OKAY, SO I'M JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT I WAS READING. OKAY. AND THEN TALKING ABOUT FUNDING. AND HOW DOES THE PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IMPACT THE CITY'S OVERALL BUDGET AND PROTECT AND PROTECT PROJECTED REVENUE FROM THE IMPACT FEES? WELL, IDEALLY, RIGHT, THE PROJECTS WE WOULD PICK IF WE'RE REALLY GOOD WITH THIS, IF WE PLANNED WELL ENOUGH, THEN THESE ARE IMPACT FEE PROJECTS. YEAH. WELL AND THEN ARE WE EXPLORING OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS LIKE GRANTS AND BONDS TO HELP FINANCE SOME OF THIS? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THIS REPORT. THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ADD TO THE REPORT. OKAY. SO IT'S IN THERE OKAY. I MUST HAVE MISSED THAT ONE BECAUSE A LOT TO READ. OKAY. IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE. SORRY. NO NO. AND IT WAS A LOT TO READ TOO. THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE IS THAT IN THERE. I KNOW THAT THEY MEANT I MEAN THERE THAT'S MEANT TO BE IN THERE. OKAY. AND THEN HOW IS THE COMMUNICATION WITH ENGAGING LIKE PUBLIC AND STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING THE DEVELOPERS IN THE DISCUSSION OF THESE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE AFFECTING IMPACT FEES AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS? HOW IS THAT COMMUNICATION. SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OKAY. SO THIS AFTER THIS IS OVER, I JUST REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW THIS OFF TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WITHOUT YOU GUYS SEEING THIS FIRST. RIGHT. BUT I CAN'T PROMISE THAT THEY, MY CONSULTANTS HAVEN'T TALKED TO SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. BUT YES, THEY WILL ALL LOOK AT THIS, THE MAJOR PROPERTY OWNERS. AND WE'LL ALSO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AGAIN. AND, AND WE'LL ALSO COME BACK TO YOU. SO I IMAGINE I WON'T BE COMING BACK FOR ADOPTION FOR LIKE 4 OR 5 MONTHS. THAT GIVES ME TIME TO RELOOK AT ALL OF THIS STUFF TO GET ALL THOSE PROJECT LISTS UP TO EVERYWHERE WE NEED IT TO BE AND TO GET COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC. SO THAT'S THIS IS THE START. OH THAT'S GOOD, THAT'S GOOD. AND THEN I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AND FUTURE PROOFING WITH THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT. 
          RIGHT. BECAUSE I DIDN'T I WAS TRYING TO LOOK FOR THAT IN THE REPORT AS WELL. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT'S MY ONLY LAST QUESTION, IS JUST SEEING IF OTHER COUNCIL WANTED TO SEE ANY OTHER REVISED OR EXPANDED UPON THIS BEFORE WE ADOPT IT. SO BUT YEAH, THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. YEAH. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS EARLIER, THAT I WONDERED IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND THEN MY OTHER ONE IS ARE YOU ARM WRESTLING BRIAN FOR ASPHALT VERSUS SEWER? BECAUSE THESE NUMBERS ARE ALARMING, GREG. THE NUMBER, THE NUMBERS THAT THIS COMPANY IS GIVING US IS I HAVEN'T ADDED THEM UP THAT EVERY PAGE IT'S LIKE, OH, 15 MILLION HERE AND 13 MILLION THERE. AND REMEMBER THESE MILLIONS ADD UP TO BILLIONS. I'M LIKE, OH, SO THEY ONLY WANT $1 BILLION TO FIX THE SEWER PLUS THE SEWER TREATMENT PLANT. NO WORRIES. YEAH. NO NO WORRIES. RIGHT. REMEMBER THESE ARE THESE ARE PLANS. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WHEN WE ADOPT THESE PLANS. YOU CAN PRICE YOURSELF OUT OF SOMETHING, RIGHT. BUT WE NEED TO LET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOUR SYSTEM IS WORTH. RIGHT. AND THEN WE NEED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT 
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WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY AND FIX IT IN ONE DAY. SO WHEN YOU DO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, REALIZE THESE ARE NUMBERS OVER A VERY EXTENDED TIME RIGHT NOW WITH THE SEWER FUND, I THINK THAT WE'RE SPENDING A LOT AT THE PLANT. AND I WISH WE WERE SPENDING A LITTLE MORE ON THE COLLECTION SYSTEM. AND I THINK WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. RIGHT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE KIND OF THINGS. I LIKE THE ROADMAP THAT CORBIN AND THE MAYOR HAVE SET WHERE THEY'RE DOING RAISE, THEY'RE DOING GRADUAL RAISES WITH THAT RATE, OR THEY'VE THEY'VE PICKED AMOUNT FOR THAT RATE AND THEY'VE AND THEY'RE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE IT GO UP EVERY YEAR, NOT JUST HAVE A GREAT BIG JUMP. I THINK GREAT BIG JUMPS ARE PROBLEMATIC FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE HAD BIG JUMPS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. I THINK JORDAN BASIN WENT UP BY LIKE 30% OR 25% LAST YEAR, AND OTHERS WENT UP AGAIN. I THINK THE MAYOR IS TRYING WHEN HE GOES THROUGH THE BUDGET. I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HE'S TRYING TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS THE BEST HE CAN AND STILL TRYING TO LOOK AFTER THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE THAT WE HAVE. SO WHEN YOU BRING THIS REPORT BACK TO US AFTER YOU'VE DONE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT, A HOW WILL I KNOW WHAT THE CHANGES ARE? BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY WANT TO READ 243 PAGES AGAIN AND BE AND B WILL YOU GIVE US MORE OF A FIVE YEAR AND A TEN YEAR PLAN OF NOT WHAT THIS COMPANY THINKS, BUT WHAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO HAVE FINANCIALLY? BECAUSE BECAUSE I CAN'T TRANSLATE FROM WHAT THEY'RE GIVING ME TO WHAT MAYBE OUR, WELL, WHAT OUR CONVERSATION WAS AND WHAT THIS IS, IS IT'S LIKE, OKAY, SO BECAUSE WE COULD REALLY USE THAT INFORMATION TO KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE BRIAN 3 MILLION. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR 4 MILLION. AND THEN I NEED TO TELL BOTH OF YOU, YOU'RE ONLY GETTING 2 MILLION. SO I KNOW. RIGHT? I THAT IS THE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS YOU GUYS ANSWER EVERY YEAR. I, I FEEL FOR YOU WHEN YOU HAVE TO DECIDE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY. THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT OR WHOSE BILL YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE AND WHO'S NOT BILL YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE. AND DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US? THE BIGGEST QUESTION I HAD REMEMBER WAS THE DENSITY. WE HAVE MADE A. AN ASSUMPTION FOR YOU THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH, THAT WE HAVE MAXED WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE TO ANY ONE PROPERTY AT 25 UNITS PER ACRE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME THAT TODAY, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW. OKAY. BEFORE I COME BACK TO YOU AS A GROUP, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO DO OR IF YOU WANT TO DO FOR MORE. JUST SO, JUST SO EVERY MY PEERS KNOW IN THIS REPORT, THE CONSULTING COMPANY PUT IT AT 75 AND SAID STAFF SAID PUSH BACK AND SAID 25. AND AFTER TALKING TO GREG IT REALLY MADE SENSE. I REALLY LIKED THAT, HE SAID. HERE'S WHY. 
          WE PUSHED BACK. AND IT WAS IT WAS SO THAT IF YOU'RE BRINGING IN, AS YOU DEMONSTRATED WITH FACEBOOK, IF YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING IN THAT'S GOING TO EXPONENTIALLY INCREASE THE CAPACITY NEED OF OUR SEWER LINES, THEN YOU GET TO PAY FOR IT INSTEAD OF OUR EXISTING RESIDENTS. SO FOR ME, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH 25, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK OVERALL THAT'S A MUCH BETTER NUMBER THAN 75. THANKS, GREG. OKAY. CORBIN DID. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? CORBIN I THINK CAITLIN KIND OF COVERED. WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A PROJECT HIGHER THAN A DENSITY OF 25 UNITS AN ACRE COULDN'T BE DONE. IT JUST MEANS THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH HELP FOR THOSE SEWER IMPROVEMENTS. FOR THAT MARGINAL INCREASE, AND YOU'D PROBABLY SEE THAT AS AN MDA, RIGHT? SO IT WOULD MOST LIKELY HAPPEN IS WE WOULD POINT THAT OUT, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING BIGGER THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATED IN AN MDA. THEY SHOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH PROJECT FUNDS TO PAY FOR THE EXTRA. THAT'S PART OF THAT COMMUNICATION THAT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT FOR THAT, THE STEPS THAT THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND CLEAR. AND I GUESS MY BIGGEST WORRY IS THAT COST GETTING TO THE RESIDENTS EVENTUALLY. SO YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU GREG. HEY, ONE LAST QUESTION. OH WE'RE DONE. YOU'RE TOO LATE. IT FLASHED THROUGH MY MIND AS WE'RE TALKING AS TALKING ABOUT DOES DOES THIS ADDRESS ANY OF THE FUNDING MECHANISMS I DIDN'T GET? LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T GET THROUGH ALL 204. DOES THIS ADDRESS ANY FUNDING MECHANISMS 
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FOR FUTURE BUILD OUTS OR ANYTHING, OR IS THAT JUST GOING TO THAT THIS IS JUST A PLAN AND WE'RE THE ONES THAT WILL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME. YEAH. THIS ISN'T A BUDGETARY NUMBER. THIS PLAN, WHAT IT DOES IS IT HELPS YOU WHEN YOU PREPARE YOUR BUDGETS TO SAY THE QUESTIONS THAT CAITLIN SAID. RIGHT. WELL, HOW DO I TRANSLATE THIS PLAN TO SOMETHING I CAN AFFORD? BECAUSE THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN IN ONE YEAR YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD MORE THAN ANOTHER YEAR. RIGHT. AND SO THE EXACT TIMING OF AN IMPROVEMENT, IT HAPPENS WHEN YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THIS JUST TELLS YOU THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS AND WHAT SHOULD GO IN BEFORE WE BEFORE YOU REZONE OR APPROVE SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT CHAIR, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THIS, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO GREG AND ESPECIALLY TO THE COUNCIL. IF YOU THINK BACK FIVE YEARS AND WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED IN ON THE SEWER TRANSMISSION LINES IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE DONE MASSIVE PROJECTS WITH THE WHOLE RUN OF NEW BINGHAM HIGHWAY THAT THAT WAS A MAJOR, MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENT. WE SPENT A VERY BIG AMOUNT MONEY ON THAT PROJECT. WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE FEDERAL FUNDS WE GOT. BUT YOU PRIORITIZED THAT WHICH MADE THE. IT'S STILL A BIG LIST OF PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S NOT NEARLY AS BIG AS WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD WE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE NEW BINGHAM HIGHWAY LINE. AND THE 1300 WEST PROJECTS HAVE RECENTLY. SO THANK YOU, COUNCIL. 
          I THINK WHAT I SHOULD DO IS I'LL BRING BACK, AS YOU TALKED ABOUT, RIGHT? I'LL BRING BACK A 2019 MAP THAT SHOWS ALL THE PROJECT AND MAYBE SOME COSTS, AND THEN 2025 AND YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THAT THE MAP FROM 2019 WAS COVERED IN ALL THESE HUGE PROJECTS. AND THE MAP NOW, THERE'S NOT HARDLY THERE'S NOT A LOT. AND IT'S BECAUSE YOU SPENT SO MUCH MONEY IN THE LAST SIX YEARS. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY THANKS FOR THE VISUAL AND TAKING ME OUT THAT ONE DAY, BECAUSE IT HELPED ME READ. I WAS ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT SO MUCH BETTER BECAUSE I HAD THE VISUAL OF EVERYTHING. SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL. WE'LL DO A COUPLE OTHER PROJECTS, WE'LL INVITE YOU OUT, AND I'M STILL WAITING FOR THAT RIGHT ALONG. NOW GREG'S OFFERING RIDE ALONGS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT UP WE 
          [b.
 Discussion of the Visionary Square development - proposed amendment to the Future Land Use Map and ensuing rezone request.]
HAVE MARK FORSYTH WITH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR THE DISCUSSION OF A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE GENERAL PLANS, FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND TO THE ZONING MAP CONCERNING THE VISIONARY SQUARE DEVELOPMENT AT 90TH SOUTH BANGERTER HIGHWAY. MAKE SURE THIS IS ON. THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. SO THIS IS THE VISIONARY SQUARE PROJECT. THIS IS A PETITION BY MR. JOEL FROST. AND THEY'RE REQUESTING TWO THINGS. ONE IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE GENERAL PLANS FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WILL AFFECT THREE PARCELS AND CHANGING THAT FROM LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION TO A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DESIGNATION. AND THEN THE SECOND IS A REZONE OF TWO OF THOSE PARCELS FROM THEIR CURRENT SC ONE ZONE TO A ZONE, WHICH IS AGAIN PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. SO THESE THREE PARCELS, THEY'RE LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BANGERTER HIGHWAY AND 90TH SOUTH. I'LL PULL IT UP ON THE MAP HERE SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT HIGHLIGHTED THERE. SO IT'S KIND OF KIND OF THESE INFILL PIECES THAT ARE KIND OF LOCKED BETWEEN SOME MAJOR ARTERIAL AND HIGHWAY ROADS AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO YOU'VE GOT THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH AND THEN TO THE WEST. THAT'S THE COPPER RIDGE MEDICAL CENTER. AND THEN OF COURSE, ACROSS BANGERTER HIGHWAY, YOU'VE GOT THE JORDAN VALLEY HOSPITAL AND SALT LAKE COMMUNITY COLLEGE CAMPUS THERE. OOPS, GLITCHING OUT ON ME THERE. OKAY, SO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO AGAIN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE ON THE DIAGRAM THEY THAT THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED. THE NORTHERN PARCEL IS DESIGNATED FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL KIND OF MATCHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT. AND THEN THE TWO SOUTHERN PARCELS ARE DESIGNATED FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. SO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS THEY THEY REALLY JUST KIND OF WANT TO MATCH WHAT'S ALREADY DESIGNATED ON THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST AND JUST KIND OF EXPAND THAT PROFESSIONAL OFFICE LAND USE AREA. AND THEN THE ZONING MAP. SO THE NORTHERN PARCEL IS ACTUALLY ALREADY ZONED PO. SO 
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THE ONLY THING THEY'RE CHANGING IS JUST THOSE TWO SOUTHERN PARCELS TO MATCH THAT. SO THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ZONED SC ONE. SO BACK IN SEPTEMBER WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT IN A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING TO DISCUSS THEIR CONCEPT. SO THIS THIS CONCEPT PLAN SHOWN HERE IS ACTUALLY THEIR UPDATED PLAN. SINCE THAT MEETING THEIR ORIGINAL WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THIS. SO THEY'VE INCORPORATED A LOT OF OUR COMMENTS, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARDS TO LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, WALLS, TURNING RADIUSES FIRE TURNAROUNDS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO ONE THING THAT I SHOULD MENTION IS. WITH REGARD TO UTILITIES, THERE WILL NEED TO BE AN MDA WITH THIS PROJECT AS PART OF THEIR REZONE. THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SHORT ON THEIR WATER AND SEWER. ERC COUNTS ABOUT 2021 YEARS, SO THEY'LL NEED TO ESSENTIALLY MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT THROUGH EXTRA FEES. SO THAT'LL NEED TO BE DONE THROUGH AN MDA. AND THEN THERE'S SOME OFF SITE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'LL NEED TO DO. BASICALLY, THE NEAREST STORM DRAIN LINE IS ABOUT A BLOCK AWAY TO THE NORTH, SO THEY'LL NEED TO RUN A LINE UP THROUGH THAT ONE OF THOSE STREETS. THERE ARE SOME LONG TERM IMPLICATIONS OF THE WATER AND SEWER DEMANDS REQUIRED FOR THIS. NONE THAT I'M AWARE OF. UTILITIES SEEMS TO THINK THAT THEY CAN. THEY CAN MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE THROUGH THROUGH EXTRA FEES. BUT. THIS IS AN OFFICE PARK. IT IS. YEAH. SO THESE ARE KIND OF SMALLER WHAT THEY CALL INCUBATOR OFFICES FOR USUALLY STARTUP COMPANIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YOU KIND OF LIKE SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A MORE AFFORDABLE LIKE THE JORDAN PLANS AND SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES THAT ARE ON REDWOOD ROAD, KIND OF THAT KIND OF THING A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. LIKE THAT, LIKE CHIROPRACTOR OFFICES AND SMALL STUFF. YEAH. THESE, THESE WILL ALL BE SINGLE STORY, BUT. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF IF I REMEMBER AND THE DEVELOPER SITTING RIGHT BACK HERE SO YOU CAN SHAKE YOUR HEAD IF I'M WRONG. JOEL. BUT THIS WAS, THIS WAS KIND OF MODELED AFTER THE HOBBY CAVES OVER OFF THE 2700 SOUTH. AND WHAT BANGERTER. HAVE THERE BEEN CONCERNS FROM SURROUNDING RESIDENTS ABOUT CHANGING THIS TO FROM RESIDENTIAL TO PROFESSIONAL OFFICE SPACE? ACTUALLY, COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM, THAT IS THE TOWN HALL THAT WE HAD. AND COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN AND COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON WERE THERE. AND THE MAIN CONCERN THAT THE RESIDENTS HAD AND THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO DO THIS IS THAT IT'S A STUB STREET, BUT WE NOW HAVE OUR NEW CODE. SO STUB STREETS WITH DIFFERENT USES DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH. AND THEY'VE AGREED TO PUT UP A FENCE THAT PROHIBITS PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLES. SO IT'LL JUST BE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS THE RESIDENTS MAIN CONCERN. OBVIOUSLY I WAS AT A FUNERAL, SO I COULDN'T MAKE IT READ POSTS LIKE OVER BY ARBY'S. NOT THE BOLLARDS. NO, NOT A BOLLARDS. THAT WILL BE A REGULAR FENCE. 
          THEY DIDN'T WANT THE BOLLARDS BECAUSE WHAT THE EVERYBODY WAS AFRAID OF IS IF THEY'D GO AROUND, THEY'D PARK AND WALK THROUGH. AND SO IF THERE'S A GATE THEY CAN'T WALK THROUGH. 
          BUT THE OTHER THING, JUST TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORS PARTLY WANTED THE GATE WAS THAT THEY WANTED TO KEEP THEIR KIDS FROM COMING, GOING OUT DOWN THAT STREET AND GETTING TOO CLOSE TO 90TH. AND SO IT WAS AS MUCH IT WAS AS MUCH ABOUT A WORRY OF THAT. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE CIRCLED ON THE SCREEN NOW. IT WAS AS MUCH A WORRY OF THE CAR THAT THE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT AS MUCH OF THAT WORRY THAT THEY HAD WAS OVER THE KIDS GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, KIDS GOING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, NEITHER CAUSING TROUBLE OR GETTING OUT CLOSE TO 90TH, THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THE KIDS TO BE THERE. AND SO THAT WAS THAT. THAT WAS WHY THE, THE, THE GATE WAS SO GLAD YOU GUYS DID THAT. TOWN HALL. AWESOME. YEAH. YEAH, IT WAS A IT WAS A VERY GOOD TOWN HALL EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE GUY, CALEB NEIGHBOR. AND THIS MAY NOT BE FOR YOU GUYS, BUT MORE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. HOW CAN WE AS A CITY SUPPORT THE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THIS AREA AND REALLY KEEP MAINTAIN THE ESTHETIC AND CHARACTER AND WHAT WE WANT AS A CITY AND BRINGING THESE BUSINESSES AND WHATNOT AND THAT GROWTH? I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHY, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THIS PLAN, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE SUPPORT 
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SYSTEM TO BRING THOSE BUSINESSES AND TO GROW THAT. YEAH. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS KIND OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS PROPERTY IS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THEY HAD ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED TOWNHOMES FOR THIS AREA, BUT IT WAS JUST TOO DIFFICULT TO GET THE TRAFFIC TO WORK. WE COULDN'T GET A STREET THROUGH. SO THEY THEY WERE REALLY KIND OF HAVING TO BE REALLY CREATIVE AND TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, NOT JUST FOR THE CITY, BUT BUT FOR THEM AS WELL. AND SO WITH WITH THAT ACCESS BEING SUCH A CHALLENGE THAT THAT ACCESS ON 90TH IS ACTUALLY A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT AND STILL NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY UDOT. SO JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THAT INTERCHANGE AND SO THAT THAT WAS REALLY KIND OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS FINDING SOME KIND OF A USE THAT WOULD WOULD BE ABLE TO BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE THERE WITHOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, SO THEY WERE LOOKING AT PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, WHICH TENDS TO HAVE LESS TRAFFIC THAN, SAY, A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT OR A CAR WASH. AND MARK ISN'T THE IDEA THAT THESE ARE INCUBATOR BUSINESS LOCATIONS. SO IF SOMEBODY'S SUCCESSFUL AT ONE OF THE BUILDING THEIR BUSINESS, THEY COULD MOVE TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION IN THE CITY THAT THAT HAS MORE ROOM FOR THEIR BUSINESS, SO TO SPEAK. RIGHT. 
          BUT SUPPORTING THEM AND HELPING THEM GROW AND HAVING THEM IN OUR CITY, THAT'S I WANT TO SEE THEM SUCCESS. I WANT TO SEE THIS SUCCESSFUL. I WANT TO SEE THIS FULL. AND I WANT TO SEE THIS CONTINUALLY TO GROW, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE WHERE THEY'RE EMPTY, A LOT OF THEM ARE EMPTY AND I DON'T. YEAH. WELL, BASED ON IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE AWKWARDNESS OF THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY AND ITS ACCESS ISSUES, THIS IS THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE FOR OUR CITY TO HAVE TO HAVE THIS COMING IN. YEAH. IT'S AMAZING. AND I MEAN, I MY GREATEST FEAR WAS THAT THIS WAS JUST GOING TO BE A FIELD FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY. SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO'S WHO'S DONE SO MUCH WORK TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. WELL, AND WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS, IS IF YOU IF YOU TALK WITH THE, THE DEVELOPER THAT WE GOT TO TALK WITH AT THE TOWN HALL A LITTLE BIT, HE WALKED AND TO, TO LISTEN TO WHAT, WHAT WE CONSIDERED THIS BUT THAT WAS TERRIBLE FOR US. WE CONSIDERED THAT THAT WAS TERRIBLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR, THEIR, THEIR DECISION MAKING TO WHERE THEY GOT TO THIS PLAN, IT WAS TO COME UP WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE PLAN FOR THIS. THIS I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THIS IS A FUNKY LITTLE PIECE OF LAND, RIGHT? THAT IT WAS THE BEST POSSIBLE CONCEPT TO COME UP WITH THAT WORKED FOR THE WORK FOR THE DEVELOPER, THAT WORKED FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WASN'T HIGH INTENSITY AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. AND SO AFTER WE TALKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND EVERYTHING, IT IT MOST OF THE MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS, LIKE I SAID, THEY WEREN'T CONCERNED THAT WE THAT THIS WAS GOING IN. IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF THE TRACK. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HAPPENS TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THE WORST PART ABOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE TRAFFIC SITUATION ON THAT ROAD TO THE SOUTH, TO THE ROAD TO THE SOUTH THAT THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. SO AND IN FACT, WE PROBABLY SPENT HALF THE MEETING TALKING ABOUT 90 SOUTH. SO WHICH IS WHY I SET UP CHAIRS IN MY FAMILY ROOM AGAIN TODAY. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST. AND I'M WITH KENT, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST CONCEPTS WE'VE SEEN FOR THIS, THIS PROPERTY. 
          IT'S BETTER THAN THE IT'S BETTER THAN THE HOUSE THAT THERE WAS A DEVELOPER THAT CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL. WHAT WAS THAT THREE YEARS AGO? FOUR YEARS AGO WE WERE ON THE LAND USE COMMITTEE AND IT WAS A TERRIBLE PROPOSAL FROM THE FROM THE, THE ONE POTENTIAL BUILDER. SO I, I AGREE, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO LIKE MAKE THIS AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE. AND WHATEVER SUPPORT WE CAN DO, WHETHER FROM ECONOMIC, FROM JOEL, FROM THE WHOLE TEAM, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS GREAT. AND THE FROST BROTHERS HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD TO I MEAN IT. JOEL CONTACTED ME KNOWING THAT I LIVED THERE. HE WAS WILLING TO BE AT THE TOWN HALL AND BE QUIET BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DEAL. WHEN HE WANTED TO COME, I SAID, YOU CAN'T TALK UNLESS THEY ASK. YOU CAN'T TALK. 
          AND SO HE WAS VERY GOOD. I COULDN'T CALL YOU BACK. I WAS AT A FUNERAL. I'M SO SORRY. SO HE HE HAS. AND MARK'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH TO. OKAY. WELL, YEAH. SO REALLY, I THINK YOU'VE PRETTY 
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MUCH ANSWERED ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD JUST WANTED TO GET A FEEL FOR THE COUNCIL'S FEELING ON THIS AS FAR AS APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE AREA. I THINK WE'VE PRETTY WELL COVERED THAT. PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DEVELOPMENT SEEMS TO BE SEEM PRETTY GOOD FOR THIS AREA. 
          SO YOU'VE MENTIONED UDOT, THIS HASN'T GONE UDOT YET, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT HASN'T MOVED FORWARD. 
          I DON'T KNOW, I'D HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT ON THAT TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THAT PROCESS. JUST CURIOUS. YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PROCESS IS AND THAT AND HOW LONG THAT TAKES. YEAH. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF IT'S REALLY KIND OF IN THE CONCEPTUAL PHASE AS FAR AS DESIGNING THE SITE GOES. SO THE APPLICANT TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS UDOT WAS GOING TO REQUIRE HIM TO HAVE A SLOWDOWN. LANE. IS THAT RIGHT. DECELERATION DECELERATION LANE. AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING THAT ON THEIR ON THEIR CONCEPT. IF YOU SQUINT HARD ENOUGH YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT IT IS THERE. 
          YEAH, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING SIMILAR ON THE EXIT FOR BANGERTER AND 123RD SOUTH, WHERE THERE'S LIKE A CREDIT UNION RIGHT OFF THERE, AND THEN A QUICK IN AND OUT AND IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, TURN IN, TURN OUT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IT'S REALLY JUST TO GET CARS OFF OF 90TH AS THEY SLOW DOWN. SO. ALL RIGHT ANY MORE QUESTIONS KELVIN. ONE MORE. ALL RIGHT I KNOW YOU. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING TO DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD AND BRING IT BACK TO A COUNCIL MEETING. IS THAT KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING. YES OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY NO'S. ALRIGHT. WE ARE NOW WITH MEGAN JENSEN AND LARRY GARDNER FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR THE DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED TITLE 13 AMENDMENTS, SPECIFICALLY 13 TWO, THREE DEFINITIONS AND 13 DASH EIGHT DASH 14 STORAGE OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND RESIDENTIAL ZONE C. IT'S NOT FAIR BECAUSE LARRY ALWAYS USES ARMS TO TALK. AND WITH THAT, HE'S GOING TO HE'S GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME TALKING. SO MEGAN, YOU GOT TO DO ALL THE TALKING TONIGHT FOR LARRY, OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. SO FIRST WE WANT TO JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TAKING THE SURVEY AND GIVING US YOUR FEEDBACK. AT THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, WE'VE TAKEN THAT FEEDBACK AND DRAFTED THIS CODE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT. I'LL KIND OF JUST GO THROUGH OVERALL WHAT WE HAVE, AND THEN WE'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON. SO FIRST WE HAVE JUST KIND OF A GENERAL PROVISION. THE THINGS THAT ALL VEHICLES AND CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES WILL NEED TO FOLLOW IN THE FIRST SECTION. AND THEN WE HAVE A TABLE SHOWING ALL THE CLASSES OF VEHICLES AND THEN WHERE THEY CAN BE PERMITTED ON THE LOT FOR EACH ONE. AND THEN THE LAST SECTION IS JUST OUR CHART AND DEFINITIONS FOR THE VEHICLES. AND REALLY THE INTENT IS TO HELP, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HAVE IT BE CLEAR FOR THEM TO KNOW WHAT IS AND IS NOT ALLOWED. AND, YOU KNOW, TRY AND HELP THAT COMMUNITY IMAGE AND HELP IN THAT WAY. SO THE FIRST SECTION I WANT TO FOCUS ON IS SECTION A. YOU CAN SEE THERE WE HAVE THAT ALL VEHICLES SHOULD BE PARKED ON ASPHALT AND CONCRETE. AND THEY SHOULD BE OPERABLE AND MAINTAINED. AND THEN RECREATIONAL VEHICLES ARE GOVERNED BY A DIFFERENT CODE IN OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONE CODE. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT VEHICLES CLASS VEHICLE CLASSES SIX THROUGH 13 ARE NOT ALLOWED EXCEPT THE THERE'S A FEW EXCEPTIONS HERE. TRACTOR PORTION OF A SEMI TRUCK CAN BE AS LONG AS IT'S OCCUPIED BY THE DRIVER, AND NOT IN A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS TAKEN FROM OUR CURRENT CODE AND ALSO CLASS SIX THROUGH 13 VEHICLES ARE ALLOWED IN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION AND NOT TO EXCEED SIX MONTHS. SO FIRST I JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON THIS SECTION AND SEE IF YOU AS A COUNCIL ARE, YOU KNOW, FEEL THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR OR TAKE OUT ANYTHING FROM THIS SECTION. GO. 
          ZACH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CLASS FIVE VEHICLES. OKAY. SO CLASS FIVE SAYS TWO AXLE SIX 
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TIRES SINGLE UNIT. I. CLASS THREE FOUR TIRES IN A SINGLE UNIT. AND I'M THINKING PICKUP TRUCKS YOU GET WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE TRUCK RANCH OPEN IN OUR CITY. HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT LITTLE WHILE. HOPEFULLY NOBODY. DAVID'S NOT HERE. ANYWAY. THEY'RE GOING TO BE SELLING SOME NICE TRUCKS, SOME OF WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE CALLED CLASS FIVE TRUCKS BECAUSE THEY'LL BE DOOLEY'S. THEY'LL HAVE THE TWO REAR WHEELS, AND THAT'LL JUST BE YOUR GMC TWO TON TRUCK, WHICH, IF IT HAS ONLY ONE REAR WHEEL, WOULD BE JUST FINE TO BE PARKED IN THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. BUT IF IT HAS TWO REAR TIRES, IT'S NOT PARKED IN FRONT OF IT. IT CAN'T BE PARKED IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. IS THAT AM I READING THAT RIGHT? AND IS THAT WHAT WE'RE INTENDING HERE? YES. AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CHANGE THIS, THIS CODE TO ALLOW THOSE TYPES IN THE FRONT YARD IF THAT'S THE WISH OF THE COUNCIL. YEAH. THAT'S A, THAT'S A PROPERTY. RIGHT. THAT I DEFINITELY WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S UPDATED. YEAH. I JUST THINK I THINK THAT'S A I MEAN THESE CLASSES AREN'T SOMETHING THAT WE'RE MAKING UP. RIGHT. AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS THE CLASS OF VEHICLES, THIS IS SOME HIGHWAY STANDARD OR SOME. YEAH. THESE ARE TAKEN FROM THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION. OKAY. SO I JUST THINK IT'S A WEIRD WAY TO DEFINE A CLASS. AND MAYBE I MY, MY ISSUE ISN'T WITH OUR STAFF OR OUR CODE. IT'S WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YOU CAN ADD IT TO A LONG LINE OF ISSUES THAT I HAVE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. BUT I GUESS MY PROBLEM, ZACH, IS THAT IT COULD ALSO BE A BIG OLD BOX TRUCK. RIGHT. WHICH IS RIGHT. AND IT'S THE SAME CLASS OF DEFINING. SO MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY WE COULD CLASSIFY IT, BECAUSE I AGREE, I WOULD IF I OWNED A DOOLEY AND WAS A PLUMBER OR SOMETHING. I HAD A DOOLEY. EVEN IF YOU'RE JUST A GUY WHO LIKES TRUCKS AND YOU HAVE A YEAH, YEAH, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE PROHIBITED IN THE FRONT YARD. BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BIG OLD BOX TRUCK. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. MY BEST FRIEND IS A TEENAGER. WHEN I WAS A KID, HIS PARENTS HAD A DOOLEY PICKUP TRUCK BECAUSE THEY HAD A FIFTH WHEEL THAT THEY'D TAKE CAMPING. YEAH. AND THEY PULLED IT WITH THEIR DOOLEY, THEIR DOOLEY FORD PICKUP TRUCK, A FORD F-250 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT AND SO IT'S JUST A WEIRD WAY OF DEFINING A CLASS BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, IT COULD BE A U-HAUL, A 20 FOOT U-HAUL TRUCK, OR IT COULD BE A FORD F-250. YEAH, WHICH IS ALSO 22FT. BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE OKAY IF IT'S A PERSONAL USE BUT NOT A COMMERCIAL USE. SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN JUST ADD. BUT IN THE VERBIAGE, HOW DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE. RIGHT. THE VERBIAGE. WELL, BUT IF SO I'M I'M GOING TO PICK ON ZACH BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT UP. ZACH'S GOT A NICE A NICE GMC DOOLEY THAT HE USES FOR PERSONAL USE. AND I'VE GOT THE EXACT SAME TRUCK. AND ON THE SIDE I HAVE PAINTED KELVIN'S PLUMBING AND FLORAL DESIGN SOMETHING, RIGHT? NO, YOU'RE RIGHT, JUST BECAUSE IT WORKS IN FLORAL DESIGN. GREAT. YEAH, GREENISH I HAVE, I HAVE THAT. SO I'VE GOT THE BLUE AND NOW IT'S PAINTED WITH A COMMERCIAL WITH A COMMERCIAL LOGO ON IT DOES NOW YOURS ISN'T ALLOWED, BUT MINE IS MINE. YEAH, HIS IS ALLOWED, THOUGH NOT KELVIN. MY TRUCK IS UNDER MY BUSINESS, BUT I SO LIKE HOW WOULD NOBODY WOULD KNOW? OR WHAT IF YOU PUT YOUR LOGO ON A MAGNET AND IT'S ON THE SIDE OF YOUR TRUCK, BUT ONE NIGHT YOU FORGET TO TAKE IT OFF. SO NOW IT'S A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKED ON YOUR ON YOUR DRIVEWAY. BUT IF YOU TOOK THE MAGNET OFF, IT'S A PERSONAL VEHICLE PARKED ON YOUR DRIVEWAY. THIS IS MY THIS IS MY PROBLEM WITH THIS WHOLE ENTIRE CODE, BY THE WAY, FOR ME, I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD CLASSIFY THE BOX TRUCK SEPARATE FROM A PICKUP TRUCK? YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT. NOW. ARE THESE TOW TRUCK? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PROPOSED STORAGE LIMITS AREN'T TOO RESTRICTIVE, CONSIDERING THE NEED FOR THESE RESIDENTS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO STORE THESE VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT CROSSING ANY BOUNDARIES THAT ARE GOING TO BITE US. WELL, THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL LEGAL BOUNDARIES. AND HERE'S THE DEAL. THE MOST FOR MOST PEOPLE, THE THING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO INVEST IN, THEIR LARGEST INVESTMENT IS GOING TO BE THEIR HOME. AND WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORS DO AFFECTS YOUR PROPERTY VALUE. HOW YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS AFFECTS YOUR PROPERTY VALUE. SO IT'S HARDER THAN THE ASSAULT, RIGHT? ASSAULT IS EASY. IF I HIT YOU, THAT'S ASSAULT. BUT IT'S HARD IN THESE. BUT I WANT TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S INVESTMENTS. AND I THINK THAT'S 
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PART OF OUR JOB HERE IS NOT JUST TO SAY, YEAH, WE ALL HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS. YEAH WE DO, BUT WE HAVE PROPERTY. THAT'S THE DIRT. WELL, WE DO WITH THE PROPERTY IS THEN REGULATED BY GOVERNMENT AND THAT IS GOVERNMENT'S JOB. AND OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT EVERYONE. AND FOR ME, PROTECTING PEOPLE'S MOST VALUABLE INVESTMENT IS IMPORTANT. SO I DON'T WANT NEIGHBORHOODS TO LOOK. LIKE NO, NO, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. BUT ARE WE CREATING A PROBLEM THAT WE DON'T HAVE? OH, WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM. WE HAVE THIS. I'M JUST MAKING SURE I'M JUST LIKE, WE'RE NOT. THIS IS ALREADY IN NEIGHBORHOODS. AND FOR ME, MY THE COMMENT THAT I WAS GOING TO MAKE TO BEGIN WITH, I'LL JUST MAKE NOW IS I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH SEMI TRACTORS IN NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY HEAVY AND THAT'S A LOT OF WEIGHT ON OUR ROADS. WE HAVE THIN, THIN BASE. YEAH. AND OUR ROADS AREN'T BUILT FOR HEAVY WEIGHTS. SO I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WAS PUT IN THIS CODE YEARS AGO. I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY DID IT FOR, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE REALLY WORKING ON THIS CODE, IT'S SILLY TO ME TO HAVE SOME OF THESE OTHERS THERE. 
          NO. AND THEN WE SAY, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A TRACTOR FOR A SEMI, NO WORRIES, IT'S NOT THAT HEAVY. 
          I FEEL BAD FOR LIKE THE GUY WHO DRIVES A POOR WOMAN WHO DRIVES A SEMI TRUCK FOR A LIVING. YEAH, AND CAN'T DRIVE A HOME NOW BECAUSE OF THE CODE WE'RE WRITING LIKE. AND THEY MIGHT ONLY BE HOME ONE WEEKEND A MONTH, AND NOW THEY CAN'T HAVE IT AT THEIR HOUSE. YEAH. OR HE'S GOING TO PARK IT ON THE ARTERIAL STREET AROUND THE CORNER. I KNOW, IT'S JUST I'M JUST SAYING OUR ROADS AREN'T BUILT FOR IT. THAT'S. AND I JUST WANT IT OUT THERE. OUR ROADS AREN'T BUILT FOR IT. I'LL GIVE YOU THAT. SO. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE TABLE. OF COURSE. I WONDER WHY IT'S CALLED TABLE B? BECAUSE WHERE'S TABLE A? WHAT DO YOU ANYBODY LARRY, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT TABLE A IS. 
          THIS ONE'S LABELED TABLE B. I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT TABLE A WAS. TABLE A TABLE A IS THE USE TABLE. YEAH. SO IS THAT THE USE TABLE OKAY. SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS. AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE PERMITTING IS CLASS 123. YOU CAN PARK IT DANG NEAR ANYWHERE. CLASS FOUR IT'S GOT TO BE IN THE REAR YARD THE SIDE YARD OR IN A, IN A SHED FOR CLASS FIVE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF IT'S PARKED IN A GARAGE OR A SHED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A U-HAUL TRUCK AND YOU GOT A GARAGE BIG ENOUGH TO PARK IT, HEY, MORE POWER TO YOU, RIGHT? AND IF YOU AND IF YOU'RE A PLUMBER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT USES THAT KIND OF TRUCK AND TAKES IT HOME AND YOU CAN PARK IT ON THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE OR IN THE SHED, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. SO I WOULD ADD THE P TO ON THE CLASS FIVE TO COMPLETELY ENCLOSED IN A GARAGE OR SHED. THE QUESTION IS, AND I THE QUESTION IS ON THE CLASS FIVE TRUCK, WHAT CAN BE PARKED IN THE FRONT YARD AND. HONESTLY, ON MOST IF I'M EVEN GOING TO SAY WITH TOW TRUCKS. BUT YOU KNOW, I CHAD, YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN YOUR NEIGHBOR RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM YOU, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH. ANYTIME PLUMBING OR WHAT A SUMP PUMP TRUCK IS IN ONE GUY'S FRONT YARD. YEAH. AND SO THEY PARKED THOSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEM HOME BECAUSE THEY'RE ON CALL. AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT IF IT'S PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY AND IT'S NOT HUNG OVER THE SIDEWALK, I'M OKAY WITH I, I'D PERSONALLY BE OKAY WITH MOST CLASS FIVE VEHICLES BEING PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY, AS LONG AS THEY MEET ALL THE OTHER PARKING REGULATIONS, BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE LOOK, PEOPLE TAKE PEOPLE. PEOPLE TAKE TOW TRUCKS HOME FOR A REASON, RIGHT? THEY'RE ON CALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS, THE PLUMBING TRUCKS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, THEY PARK THEM IN THEIR DRIVEWAY. SO I WOULD WHAT I WOULD WHAT I WOULD DO IS I WOULD MAKE CLASS ONE THROUGH FIVE P'S ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD, THE NUMBER LIMIT I'M OKAY WITH. BUT I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE THE HARD LINE AT CLASS FIVE. I THINK THAT I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I CAN IMAGINE BURTON A LONG TIME AGO HAD SOMETHING BESIDES A PICKUP TRUCK THAT HE DID ELECTRICAL WORK WITH. RIGHT. OR A JEEP, WHATEVER. YOU DRIVE. AND I'M PROBABLY RIGHT. RIGHT. YOU 
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PROBABLY HAD A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUCK THAT YOU TOOK HOME THAT HAD SOMETHING WITH YOUR LOGO ON THE SIDE. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THIS FINE LINE OF, I GOT A TWO WEEK, I GOT A TWO WHEELER, I GOT TWO WHEEL AXLE, AND THIS ONE'S COMMERCIAL AND THIS ONE'S I'D SAY, LET'S MAKE IT CLASS FIVE. EVERYTHING GOOD DOWN TO CLASS FIVE AND CALL IT GOOD. AND IF THEY MEET THE REGULAR PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THEY'RE GOOD. AND. AND MAYBE WHAT WE HAVE TO MAYBE WHAT WE CAN ALWAYS SAY, LIKE WE DID WITH THE CHICKENS AND THE DUCKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE DONE, IS JUST ADD A PROVISION WITH THE CLASS FIVE THAT IT'S ON A NON NUISANCE BASIS. WE COULD ADD THE WORD NON NUISANCE IN IT AND SAY THAT ONE'S THE GRAY AREA. PERMIT IT AND JUST SAY IT'S PERMITTED IN A NON NUISANCE BASIS. AND WHERE WE'D BE OKAY. SO CALVIN CLASS FOR OUR BUSSES. SO YOU'RE OKAY IF THOSE ARE PARKED RIGHT NOW. CLASS FOUR. CLASS FOUR BUSSES CAN BE PARKED IN A GARAGE OR SHED RIGHT. YEAH. 
          YEAH I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN A FRONT YARD FOR ALL OF THEM. ONE THROUGH FIVE. I THOUGHT WELL, FOR OKAY, SO CLASS FOUR, WE COULD LEAVE THE P OUT. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. THE BUS HAS TO BE ON THE SIDE. SO OKAY. BUT BUT ON THE CLASS FIVE I'D SAY MAKE IT A P AND DO NON NUISANCE. SO CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION I'M SORRY SCOTT. SO WITH THE CLASS FIVE AND THE FRONT YARD YOU'RE STILL OKAY WITH TWO IN THE FRONT. SO SOMEBODY BRINGS HOME TWO BOX TRUCKS. THEY FILL THEIR WHOLE DRIVEWAY UP. WELL THAT'S I WAS ASKING IF WE COULD SEPARATE LIKE A DULY TRUCK FROM A BOX. TRUCK. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. BUT I'M JUST GETTING BECAUSE IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS, SOME NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A REAL ON STREET PARKING ISSUE. AND MY CONCERN IS TO WE PUT TWO BOX TRUCKS AND I'M OKAY TO DO WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WANTS. I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE ANY BOX TRUCKS IN THE FRONT YARD, BUT IT HAPPENS. I BET YOU COULD DRIVE THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW AND YOU'D SEE THREE, AND I'M SUPER GRATEFUL WE STUCK OUR GUNS ON THE DRIVEWAY LENGTH EVEN THIS MORNING WALKING MY DOGS. THERE'S A BIG TRUCK THAT'S INTO THE SIDEWALK AND IRKS ME. YEAH. IT'S IMPORTANT. BOX TRUCKS IN THE FRONT YARD. MAYBE MAYBE THE NUMBER NUMBER IS OF CLASS FIVE TRUCKS IS TWO MAX, BUT ONE IN THE FRONT YARD. OKAY, I COULD LIVE WITH THAT BECAUSE IF THEY PARKED THE OTHER ONE BACK IN THE GARAGE, WHO CARES? THAT'S A REASONABLE COMPROMISE. YEAH, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS SUFFICIENT CLARITY AND ENFORCEABILITY FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. IS THERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT OR IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CLARIFY FROM OUR END? I THINK CODE ENFORCEMENT GENERALLY IS LIKES THIS CHART. THEY THINK IT WILL BE EASIER TO USE FOR THEM. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. OKAY. SO. SCOTT, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS. IS THIS A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE OR IS THIS A PARKING. IS THIS A PARKING ISSUE? NO PARKING, NO CODE ENFORCEMENT DOESN'T DO PARKING ENFORCEMENT CAN. NOW THEY DON'T ON THE STREET. NO, NO. YEAH. THERE'S THIS DISTINCTION BETWEEN YEAH ON STREET OR OFF STREET. OKAY. BECAUSE I CALLED ONCE ABOUT A, A TRAILER ON THE STREET AND THEY'RE LIKE NOPE. THAT'S THAT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YEP. YEP. OKAY. BUT WE JUST MADE PARKING ENFORCEMENT CIVIL. RIGHT. DOES THAT NOT RIGHT THE BELIEVE THE CSOS WILL HANDLE. YEAH. I NEED A MIC. WE COULD LET OTHER PEOPLE DO THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT ON THE STREET AND WE WILL BE DOING THAT SOON. BUT WE HAVE NOT MADE THAT CHANGE ENFORCEMENT BUT LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT. BUT WE WILL NOT BE LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT. YES, BASICALLY. NONE. SO I DON'T WANT TO DERAIL THIS CONVERSATION THAT WILL BE IN YOUR BUDGET. THE I SHOWED YOU NEXT WEEK. ONE OF THE THREE. OKAY, I GOT THAT QUESTION. NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO. CONTINUE TO CHIME IN MY POINT IN POINTING OUT THIS CLASS FIVE. DISCREPANCY OR ISSUE JUST JUST IS A IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION, BUT THIS IS WHY. IT'S BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE COME DOWN, WE CLARIFY AND WE GET DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE'VE DISTILLED IT DOWN TO SOMETHING EVERYBODY AGREES WITH. I FIND AN ABSURDITY IN HERE. AND 
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I POINTED OUT AND EVERYBODY GOES, OH YEAH, WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND WE NEED TO FIX THIS ONE, AND I'LL FIND ANOTHER ONE. THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS JUST A FOR ME. IT'S A FREEDOM INFRINGING PROBLEM, AND IT'S A PROPERTY RIGHTS INFRINGING PROBLEM. AND I GOT A I THERE'S NOT A WAY TO DO THIS. THAT ISN'T WHAT'S THE RIGHT METAPHOR THAT THEY USE WHERE WHERE THE, THE PUNISHMENT FITS THE CRIME OR WHATEVER. I THINK IN ANY IN ANY, ANY REGULATION, ANYTHING THAT WE COME UP WITH HERE WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES BEYOND FIXING WHAT WE PERCEIVE TO BE THE PROBLEM, WHETHER IT'S ESTHETICS, WHETHER IT'S ROAD DEPTH, ROAD BASE DEPTH OR SOME OTHER ISSUE, WE'RE GOING TO OVERREGULATE THIS PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THESE SOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH SO FAR. AND I DON'T SEE I DON'T SEE THAT CHANGING. SO THAT'S JUST THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH IT. I KNOW OPINIONS MAY VARY, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT WRONG. RIGHT? I THINK THAT WHAT THIS WHAT THIS ORDINANCE ATTEMPTS TO DO AND I COULD BE WRONG AND SCOTT AND LARRY AND MEGAN JUMP IN IF I AM. BUT WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS SOME IS SOME SORT OF REASONABLE REGULATION THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE TO OUR. RESIDENTS. THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE, THAT SAYS, YES, WE WANT YOU TO BE ENGAGED IN BUSINESS. WE WANT YOU TO DO THESE THINGS. WE WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO USE YOUR PROPERTY. BUT WHAT WE ALSO WANT IS YOU IS THE ABILITY, THE THIS REASONABLE REGULATION ALLOWS THE NEIGHBORS TO KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AND NOT HAVE THE NEIGHBOR NEXT NEIGHBOR, THE YARD NEXT DOOR TURNED INTO A DIAMOND RENTAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT IT'S A THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S A COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, OR IT'S AVIS RENTAL CAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IT'S TURNED INTO A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE AND A MASSIVE COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND SO I THINK THAT IF, IF THIS WERE, IF THIS WERE IN A COMMERCIAL AREA, I'D BE SAYING, ABSOLUTELY, WE, WE DON'T CARE BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE WHAT CARS PARKED. ALL WE'RE TRYING TO SAY HERE IS THAT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROVIDE AT LEAST SOME. BUMPERS, IF YOU WILL. BOY, THAT WAS A BAD PUN. SORRY, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SOME SOME GUARDRAILS AND THE LEFT AND RIGHT BUMPER TO SAY YES. WEST JORDAN RECOGNIZES THAT YOU HAVE THOSE KIND OF VEHICLES AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN YOUR YARDS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT WHAT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE IS THAT WE DON'T WANT YOUR YARD TO TURN INTO A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE AND RESPECT YOUR NEIGHBORS. AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT. I MEAN, WOULD I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YEAH, WE DON'T CARE WHAT'S PARKED IN YOUR YARD? YEAH. BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO WOULD ABUSE THAT AND TURN THEIR HOUSES INTO COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST PART OF THE ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE IF THEY REALLY ARE RUNNING A BUSINESS OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL PART, OUT OF THE HOUSE, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO PICK THAT UP AND DEAL WITH IT THROUGH BUSINESS LICENSING AS WELL, I WOULD HOPE, BUT I THINK THIS IS JUST A PARAMETER TO HELP US PROVIDE SOME GUIDELINES TO SAY ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT. IT'S A IT'S A PRESUMPTION. IT'S ALMOST A PRESUMPTIVE YOU'RE RUNNING A BUSINESS IN YOUR HOUSE AND WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AM I CLOSE? WELL SAID. COUNCILMAN, ONE OTHER THING THAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF THIS CODE IS THAT WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT GETS THE PHONE CALL DAY IN AND DAY OUT, HEY, MY NEIGHBOR IS DOING THIS OR THAT. I LIKE THE SIMPLICITY OF THIS. WHERE WHERE WE CAN HELP EDUCATE THE CITIZENS ON WHAT IS KOSHER AND WHAT'S NOT. PREVIOUS CODES OR OTHER PORTIONS OF THE CODE ARE REALLY CHALLENGING FOR OUR CODE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO EXPLAIN. SO WITH, I THINK, A FEW QUICK TWEAKS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB BROUGHT UP WITH THE DOOLEY. IS IT GOING TO BE 
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PERFECT? NO, BUT IT'S VASTLY BETTER THAN THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. I COULD I JUMP IN REAL QUICK. GO AHEAD. AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT, OKAY. AND I'M DONE. SO COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT YOUR INFRINGING FREEDOMS COMMENT. AND I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM HAS GOT SAME CONCERNS AND I DO TOO, QUITE FRANKLY. BUT I ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN, THERE'S ARGUMENTS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK AND HOW IF WE ALLOW RESIDENTS TO ABUSE THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THEY ALSO ABUSE THEIR NEIGHBORS. AND SO I THINK AS, AS LONG AS WE KEEP TRYING, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB, IF YOU SEE PROBLEMS IN THIS, I THINK WE'RE ALL EARS. AND LIKE, WE ALL WANT TO MAKE THIS AS FAIR AND AS EQUITABLE AS POSSIBLE AND PREVENT NEIGHBORS FROM ABUSING NEIGHBORS. BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S GETTING TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE. AND I'M PLEASED WITH WHAT'S HAPPENED. I, I HAVE ONE LAST COMMENT. I'M NOT SURE THAT I LIKE THE TERM FRONT YARD. IF YOU REMEMBER, SCOTT, LAST SUMMER WE HAD THAT THAT FAMILY THAT WAS PARKED THERE, THEIR THEIR, THEIR RV TRAILER LITERALLY IN THEIR FRONT YARD ON THE GRASS. AND WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE NEIGHBOR THAT CALLED IN. I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN CHANGE THE TERM FROM FRONT YARD TO FRONT DRIVEWAY OR, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT DOESN'T IMPLY THAT YOU CAN. IT DOESN'T IMPLY THAT YOU CAN PARK IT IN THE FRONT YARD. YOU SEE, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? IS THE ISSUE WITH PARKING IN GRASS OR. WELL, YEAH, I MEAN WE HAD THAT. REMEMBER YOU WERE YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT LAST SUMMER, RIGHT? WHEN WE HAD THE PERSON THAT WAS PARKING THEIR, THEIR RV, THEIR, THEIR 30 FOOT RV TRAILER ON THEIR GRASS IN THEIR FRONT YARD, AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE ALL MAD. THE IDEA WOULD BE TO GET IT ON A DRIVEWAY OR TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING. SO I WOULD JUST MAYBE DEFINE WE NEED TO DEFINE FRONT YARD OR SOMETHING BETTER, BUT IT SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE PARKED BASICALLY ON A SOLID SURFACE. THIS CODE SAYS IT HAS TO BE ON ASPHALT OR YEAH, FRONT YARD IS A DEFINED TERM IN OUR TITLE 13. IS IT OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND SO WE HAVE THAT COVERED. BUT IT HAS TO BE ON AN APPROVED SURFACE. OKAY. TO YOUR POINT COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK. THANK YOU. SO COULD WE JUST GET AN INFORMAL VOTE ON WHO WOULD BE OKAY WITH HAVING THE CLASS FIVE BE PERMITTED IN THE FRONT YARD, ONE IN THE FRONT AND ONE IN THE BACK? AS LONG AS YOU'RE AS LONG AS YOU'RE SEPARATING THE BOX TRUCK FROM THE DOOLEY. FROM THE DOOLEY. YEAH. OKAY. A FIVE, A5A YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WELL, YEAH. SO I SHOWED FIVE HANDS THAT SAID TO INCLUDE CLASS FIVE. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE ONE MORE. ONE MORE QUESTION ON THIS SINCE KENT ASKED ME TO POINT OUT. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. LINES ONE THROUGH 97. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. IT STARTS OFF WITH COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. WHERE ARE YOU? A VERY BEGINNING, LINE SEVEN, LINE SEVEN ON THE RED LINE. COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, CLASS ONE THROUGH 13. IT'S. SAYS AS DEFINED IN 13 TWO THREE. BUT 13 TWO THREE ISN'T IN HERE. AND WITHOUT PULLING UP THE CODE. WHAT? WHAT SEPARATES? IN THE CASE OF, FOR EXAMPLE, A CLASS FIVE DOOLEY PICKUP TRUCK, WHAT SEPARATES A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE FROM A NONCOMMERCIAL VEHICLE? I GUESS I CAN LOOK UP 13 TWO THREE. YEAH. SO 13 TWO THREE IS THE DEFINITION SECTION. AND I THINK IT'S REFERRING TO THE WELL, THE DEFINITIONS WILL BE ADDING. THAT'S AT THE END OF THE DRAFT. AND WE WERE GOING TO WORK ON THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO FROM THE EARLIER DISCUSSION. DO I'M JUST THINKING AS, AS ZACH POINTED OUT, THAT THE TITLE OF THIS IS COMMERCIAL AND CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES AND RESIDENTIAL ZONES, COMMERCIAL 
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VEHICLES, CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT. I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S MAYBE A BETTER TERM. 
          JUST LARGE VEHICLES. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MORE ALL ENCOMPASSING. YEAH, SOMETHING MORE GENERIC THAN SAYING CALLING IT A COMMERCIAL OR A CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? HOW MANY PEOPLE OWN A BUS? THERE ARE. I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY THAT OWN BUSSES BECAUSE IT'S THEIR MOTOR HOME. AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER TERM THERE. YES, YES, WE'LL WORK ON THAT. I'M LOOKING AT 13 TWO THREE COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL PARKING. COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL VEHICLE IS NOT DEFINED IN THE NEW COMMERCIAL IS. THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE WILL DO IS DEFINE IT. IT SAYS COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AS DEFINED IN 13 TWO THREE. THIS IS THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. AND SO THEN THE TABLE WILL GO IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          THAT'S HOW IT WILL BE DEFINED. SO IT HASN'T BEEN DEFINED YET. THAT'S WHAT THE TABLE AND THE OTHER THING WILL DEFINE IT OKAY. SO AM I RIGHT IN ASKING THEN WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL DOOLEY PICKUP TRUCK AND A NONCOMMERCIAL DOOLEY? THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS ONE'S USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSE AND THE OTHER IS NOT. OKAY. HOW MUCH OF IT HAS TO BE FOR COMMERCIAL? WELL, AND THAT'S THE COUNCILMAN GREEN BROUGHT UP THAT MAYBE TO CHANGE THE TITLE AND TO EVEN TAKE COMMERCIAL RIGHT OUT OF THE CODE AND, AND CALL IT LARGE VEHICLES OR SOMETHING THAT NATURE WILL WORK ON. AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE THERE'S MANY OF THESE VEHICLES THAT, YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBOR HAS A GIANT PICKUP, BUT HE'S BEEN RETIRED FOR TEN YEARS. IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING COMMERCIAL WITH IT. RIGHT. BUT AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT, THAT WE'LL CHANGE THE NAME OF IT TO LARGE VEHICLES AND RESIDENTIAL ZONES SHOULD NOT JUST BE ALL VEHICLES BECAUSE LIKE CLASS ONE VEHICLES ARE REGULATED ACCORDING TO THIS. NOW THEY'RE ALL PERMITTED, BUT IT'S STILL REGULATED ACCORDING TO THIS CODE. OKAY. CLASS ONE VEHICLE IS MY HYUNDAI KONA THAT I DRIVE, RIGHT? I CAN'T JUST CALL IT VEHICLES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES. SO YEAH, THAT WAS THAT WAS MY VERY FIRST WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS UP IN 2020 WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP. YEAH. AND THEN MY BIGGEST, MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WAS WAS WELL WHAT'S COMMERCIAL AND WHAT'S NOT COMMERCIAL. AND THAT WAS JUST REGURGITATING THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN IN WEST JORDAN FOR 25 YEARS. SO IT WILL CHANGE THAT ORDINANCE. NOW THE VEHICLES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES. SO VEHICLES. 
          YEAH I COULDN'T IT COULD STILL INCLUDE IT COULD JUST SAY YOU COULD JUST GET RID OF COMMERCIAL AND JUST HAVE VEHICLES AND COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT. YEAH. YEAH. SOMETHING VEHICLES AND CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT. YEAH. WOULD WOULD BE MORE ACCEPTABLE. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LOOK AT IS THIS SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE PARKED ON ASPHALT OR CONCRETE. HOW MANY TRAILERS AND MOTORHOMES AND THOSE THINGS ARE PARKED ON GRAVEL. WELL IF I RECALL THERE'S AN EXEMPTION FOR. 
          SPORTING VEHICLES OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM. AND THAT ALLOWED THEM TO PARK ON. SO IF THERE'S THAT EXCEPTION, THERE IS WITH THE RVS, RVS, WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE? I KNOW THIS IS MORE WORK, BUT IT WOULD WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO CONSOLIDATE THE RV PARKING WITH THIS. AND WE JUST HAVE IT ALL IN ONE SPOT. JUST THINK ABOUT THAT OKAY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO CAN WE CAN WE INCORPORATE THOSE. STRIKE IT OUT AND CLEAN IT UP IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL ASKED I THINK THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. THANK YOU. SO I MIGHT NOT. IT'S NEVER IT'S NEVER IT'S NEVER SIMPLE CALVIN. 
          IT'S NEVER SIMPLE. WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING IS WE HAVE SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR RVS AND SOME SPORT VEHICLES AND STUFF TO BE PARKED ON GRAVEL WITH THE RVS, A BUSINESS RV. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WOULD BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THIS BECAUSE MY TRUCK PARKS BEHIND THE FENCE ON GRAVEL. MAYOR. SO YEAH, YOU SEND OUT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO TAKE THE RV PARKING EXCEPTIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE OTHER PART OF CODE AND MOVE THEM HERE AND JUST HAVE ALL THE ALL THE WEIRD PARKING STUFF WITH THE BIG VEHICLES IN ONE SPOT? I WOULD SAY AS LONG AS IT'S NOT IN A GROUNDWATER OVERLAY ZONE. RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. AND WE'LL WORK ON THAT. THE BOARD OF HEALTH DOESN'T LIKE YOU PARKING ON ANYTHING BUT A SOLID SURFACE. 
          BUT THAT WOULD REMOVE ALL VEHICLES TO THIS CHAPTER OR SECTION. IT WOULD MAKE CODE ENFORCEMENT'S JOB EASIER BECAUSE I CONSTANTLY THEY HATE GOING BACK AND FORTH TO THREE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CODE. SO WE'LL WORK ON THAT. YEAH. COOL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
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WITH THOSE CHANGES, COUNSELOR, ARE YOU OKAY WITH US MOVING IT THROUGH THE FORMAL PROCESS? 12345. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THE FIRST THREE TOPIC DISCUSSIONS. 
          DOES ANYBODY WANT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OUR VISION AND PRIORITIES? OKAY, 
          [c.
 Discussion of proposed Title 13 amendments, specifically 13-2-3: Definitions, and 13-8-14: Storage of Commercial Vehicles in Residential Zone.]
LET'S GET IT OVER WITH. ALL RIGHT. SO I AND VICE CHAIR WHITELOCK TALKED ABOUT SETTING A TIME FOR THIS. SO WE WANT TO STAY NO LATER THAN NINE. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO STAY TILL NINE. SO LET'S TAKE OUR TIME OR NOT TAKE OUR TIME AND DISCUSS THOSE THINGS. JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'LL BE PULLING OUT OF HERE PROBABLY ABOUT 80508 TEN BECAUSE I HAVE TO TAKE MY WIFE TO THE AIRPORT. 
          SHE'S GOING ON A TRIP. THERE IS BOTH TRACKS UBER, LYFT, THE BUS, AIRPORTS JUST RIGHT HERE. WE NEED YOU TO LEAVE US. ALL RIGHT. SO LASTLY, WHEN WE WRAPPED UP, I DON'T THINK WE GOT VERY FAR. I HAD LEFT TO SAVE MY WIFE FROM A FROM HER TIRE ISSUE. BUT I DO KNOW WE HAD THE DISCUSSIONS AND I'M SURE IT DIDN'T GET VERY FAR BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY AN HOUR OR SO THAT I WAS GONE. WE FINISHED ALMOST LIKE FIVE MINUTES. YEAH. SO REAL QUICK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OUR VISION STATEMENT. WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO NEXT? WE ARE WHEREVER YOU WANT TO BE WITH THE VISION, I APOLOGIZE. I WAS IN MY DRAFTS. I JUST SENT AN EMAIL WITH MY BRAINSTORMING ON IT, SO I JUST SENT IT TO EVERYBODY. ONE FOR VISION STATEMENT, I THINK. WELL, NO, I SENT THE VISION STATEMENT, BUT I SENT A BRAINSTORM. FROM WHAT? FROM THE LAST MEETING. OH, NO, YOU'RE FINE. SO WHAT? WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS NOT BY ANY MEANS A FINAL, POLISHED OR FINAL PRODUCT. BUT I'LL SHOW YOU THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT THAT WE'VE HAD AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHERE WE HAVE GOT. SO IN OUR PREVIOUS WORK SESSION, WE, WE TOOK VISION STATEMENTS OR THOUGHTS FROM FIVE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND WHAT YOU SEE UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS, IS A COMMON THEME OR COMMON THEMES, RATHER FROM THOSE MISSION OR THOSE VISION STATEMENTS. SO THIS THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY. THIS ISN'T ANYTHING THAT YOU PUT IN THIS. THIS IS SUMMARIZING YOUR COLLECTIVE THOUGHTS ON THE VISION. AND THEN FROM THERE, AS REQUESTED, WE GOT SOME THOUGHTS FROM THE MAYOR. SO THE MAYOR PASSED ALONG SOME THOUGHTS. SIMILARLY, HE DIDN'T HAVE A SET STATEMENT. HE JUST HAD SOME THOUGHTS AND SOME THEMES AND SOME DESIRE AS TO WHAT HE CONSIDERS WHEN HE THINKS ABOUT THE VISION, HIS VISION FOR WEST JORDAN. SO WE TOOK HIS THOUGHTS AND THEN WE WENT TO THE GENERAL PLAN, SPECIFICALLY TO THE PAGE OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WHICH, AS IT IMPLIES, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE DOCUMENT WHEN IT CAME TO CREATING THE GENERAL PLAN. AND WE FOUND SOME THEMES FROM THERE AS WELL, WHICH YOU CAN SEE DETAILED OUT FROM THERE. WE TOOK ALL THREE AND WE COMPILED THEM INTO ONE. AND I'LL GIVE CREDIT TO I WHEN IT IS USED. IT IS PRETTY AMAZING. AND SO THIS IS THIS IS LARGELY A RESULT OF SOME THOUGHTS THAT ALAN HAD AS A RESULT OF I. AND THEN TAKING THE COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS, THE MAYOR'S THOUGHTS, AND REFERENCING THE GENERAL PLAN. AND HERE ARE SIX STATEMENTS THAT ARE POTENTIAL VISION STATEMENTS. SO ULTIMATELY, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS TAKING EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES. CONSIDERING SIMILAR THEMES, SIMILAR GOALS. AND HERE'S A DRAFT WITH SIX POTENTIAL OPTIONS. AS FAR AS ESTABLISHING A CITY VISION. A FOOLPROOF PROCESS, I'M SURE. ALL RIGHT, YOU GOT THAT. THEY WERE SENT TO US BEFORE, SO I READ IT. OH, OF COURSE THAT'S. INSPIRING. 
          THIS. YEAH. YEAH. YOU NEED TO BE INSPIRED TO STUDY. NO. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE. YEAH, I LIKE THAT. I LIKE FIVE INCHES THE QUARTER FINALS TO BE. EVERYTHING. I'M OKAY, I WOULD LIKE I LIKE WELCOMING SOMETHING THAT JUST SHOWS WHERE NOT BUILDING JUST FOR US BUT FOR ALL THE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. NOPE. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. THAT'S. WHAT NATURAL RESOURCES ARE WE PRESERVING THOSE? ACTUALLY, THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY NEXT QUESTION ALONG MARTINS CREEK, ALL OF THOSE NATURAL WATERSHEDS ARE PRESERVING. OKAY, JUST A REMINDER FROM CINDY. TURN YOUR 
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MICS ON IF YOU COULD WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING, WE'RE PRESERVING GROUNDWATER. 
          ABSOLUTELY. CLEAN AIR WATER FOOTHILLS BEYOND SOMEDAY THOSE FOOTHILLS BEYOND THE WEST FENCE OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THAT LINE. MAYBE IN OUR CITY. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE NATURAL. WEST JORDAN IS A VIBRANT, WELCOMING, SUSTAINABLE CITY. NATURAL RESOURCES DOESN'T MEAN OPEN SPACE. I MEAN IT INCLUDES OPEN SPACE. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT MEANS, NECESSARILY. IT MEANS THAT IT MEANS NATURAL RESOURCE. THAT'S THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM POWER GENERATION TO, YOU KNOW, EMISSION STANDARDS TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I MEAN, IT COULD BE ANYTHING. 
          I'M JUST KIDDING. SORRY ABOUT THAT LAST PART. I JUST CAN'T HELP IT. AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE. THAT. I LIKE THAT WE'RE WELCOMING THE WEST. JORDAN IS A VIBRANT, WELCOMING, SUSTAINABLE CITY. DOT DOT DOT DOT. WELL, THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE EMAIL I SENT YOU. MY TITLE WAS WEST JORDAN ELEVATED A THRIVING, WELCOMING CITY FOR TODAY AND TOMORROW. AND BY THE WAY, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE CAME UP WITH WITH THE COMMITTEE NINE AND A HALF YEARS AGO. SO TEN. 
          NO, IT WAS MORE 11 YEARS AGO. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WENT. WHY DIDN'T YOU FOLLOW IT? YES, CHRIS. WHY DIDN'T GIVE CHRIS A CALL? NINE YEARS OF NATURAL RESOURCE AND THEY BROUGHT HIM DOWN. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE LIKE FIVE WITH THE LIKE FIVE ADDING AN ELEMENT OF WELCOMING AND REPLACING ASPIRE WITH IS. YES. I WANT TO TEASE BOB FOR A SECOND. I THINK NUMBER FIVE DOES NOT MENTION PERFORMING ARTS. THE NATURAL RESOURCE. THERE YOU GO. AS LONG AS I'M IN THIS CITY, THIS IS THRIVE. FAMILIES. MAYOR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE? DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VISION NOW STATEMENT? YES, I HAVE PUT THAT ON HERE ALMOST. THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU LEFT. THINGS LIKE WENT BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM. ONCE I LEFT YOU THREW IT IN A CHATGPT. 
          APPARENTLY. I THINK ONE, ONE THING THAT IS HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT THING FOR ME IS ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T SHOW. DO YOU FEEL LIKE NUMBER FIVE ENCOMPASSES ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION? I DON'T KNOW IF I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT. IN A VISION STATEMENT, I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY IT DOES. I THINK IT FALLS UNDER PRESERVING NATURAL RESOURCES. IT'S PART OF SUSTAINABLE TO NATURAL RESOURCE, ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING BECAUSE TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS PART OF SUSTAINABILITY. JUST NOT DOOLEY'S. WHEN WE GET TO THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE TOP TEN, NOT TOP FOUR, THREE TO. GAVIN. BUT YEAH, LIKE, YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. SO WE'LL WORDSMITH NUMBER FIVE SEND YOU A DRAFT OF IT AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. BUT I MEAN YOU WOULDN'T BE APPROVING OR OR ADOPTING ANYTHING IN THIS MEETING ANYWAYS. YOU'RE JUST GIVING FEEDBACK BASED ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. CORRECT. JUST IN CASE YOU'RE CONFUSED ON THIS VISION STATEMENT TOOK SO LONG, THIS IS A GOOD THING. SO WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE FROM US NOW? I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE VISION, THAT'S GREAT. I MEAN, WHETHER YOU WANT TO TAKE IT TO A COUNCIL MEETING AND HAVE AN OFFICIAL RESOLUTION, I GUESS WE CAN HAMMER OUT THE OFFICIAL STEPS. YES, I WANT OFFICIAL RESOLUTION OF THIS. AND I WANT THIS TO BE OUR FIRST STEP TO MANY GOOD STEPS. YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO IT MOVING FORWARD TO A RESOLUTION? I GUESS I'VE HEARD A FEW IN THE AFFIRMATIVE OR. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE. SOMETHING DONE WITH THIS. SO WHEN I IN IN 2020 WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT OUR, OUR. NOT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, THE SHOOT THE WATTS DIVERSITY RESOLUTION OR THE ANTI-RACISM RESOLUTION THAT WE DID IN 2020. YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY WHEN I WROTE IT, IT WAS JUST KIND OF A IT WAS I DON'T WANT TO SAY FLUFFY, BUT IT WAS IT WAS JUST A IT WAS AN OPINION STATEMENT. WEST JORDAN IS A WELCOMING PLACE. WE ARE AGAINST RACISM. WE ARE PRO THIS, WE ARE ANTI THIS, YADA YADA YADA. AND WE GOT DOWN TO THE END AND THERE AND THAT'S ALL IT WAS. AND THEN I WAS PASSING IT AROUND AMONGST COUNCIL MEMBERS AND I GOT THE FEEDBACK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS. IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO JUST PASS THIS 
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RESOLUTION THAT HAD ALL THIS GREAT LANGUAGE IN IT. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT? SO IN OTHER WORDS, I WANT THE RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE IN THE THEREFORE SECTION A, SO WHAT? SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH IT. WHERE'S WHERE'S IT GOING TO GO. WHERE ARE WE GOING TO ARE WE GOING TO PRINT IT OUT AND STICK IT ON THE WALL AT CITY HALL SOMEWHERE. ARE WE GOING TO USE IT AS GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR SOME FUTURE? WHAT WHAT WHAT IS IT? WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH IT? SO WE GOT A STATEMENT. THAT'S GREAT, BUT SO WHAT? SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT. THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE SURE IT'S IN A RESOLUTION. WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY HAMMER THAT OUT MARKETING CAMPAIGN AROUND IT. AND THEN THERE JUST HAS TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST A STATEMENT. YEAH. AND IT SHOULD BE GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR OUR BUDGETING. RIGHT. AND IT SHOULD BE IN ANY UPDATED GENERAL PLAN, ANY ANYTHING THAT WE WORK ON, WHETHER IT'S OPEN LAND OR GENERAL, EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE IN THE PROBABLY THE FRONT COVER OF THE BUDGET. YEP. BUT WITH THAT, TO GO TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER JACOB IS SAYING, I LIKE THE VISION, BUT IT'S VERY BROAD. YOU COULD SAY DOES YOU SAID, WELL, DO I? WE JUST TALKED ABOUT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. ALL RIGHT. DUDE, DOES THAT FIT INTO THIS. IT CAN AND IT AND IT DOES. AND IT DOESN'T DEPENDING ON YOUR FEELING OF IT. THAT'S THE HARD PART ABOUT SAYING THE VISION STATEMENT IS GOING TO GUIDE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THEY'RE ALMOST ALWAYS VERY BROAD IN A SENSE, AND THEY'RE RALLYING CRIES. NOT THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT CODE. AND ANYONE WHO FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT ANYTHING COULD SAY THAT THEIR PET PROJECT FITS. THAT FITS THAT THAT THEME. MY PET PROJECT IS VIBRANT, SO YOU HAVE TO DO IT. YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT BUT THE VISION. YEAH, THE VISION IS THE I'M GOING TO STEAL SOMETHING FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING. THE VISION IS I HAVE A DREAM. THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO BE. SO THAT'S OUR VISIO. AND THE, THE, THE NEXT STEP OF THAT IS WHAT ARE OUR HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THERE. AND WE HAD THAT LIST. THIS IS OUR FIRST STEP IS GETTING THIS. AND THEN WE CAN GO OFF OUR LIST. AND THEN THE NEXT THING IS THOSE 10 OR 15 THINGS LIKE THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE COMMUNITY WHATEVER, AND THE, THE, THE 10 OR 15 THAT WE HAD. THOSE ARE THE STEPS THAT GET US HERE, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON NEXT, SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE A DOCUMENT, WE PULL OUT THE BUDGET AND SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, I WANT TO ADD $10,000 FOR THIS. HOW, HOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT GUIDING PRINCIPLE IS IT IN AND HOW DOES IT GET US THERE? ALLEN AND WARREN? THIS NEEDS TO BE FOR THE SWEARING IN CEREMONY, TOO. AS FOR THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, COME IN. AND WARREN, DO YOU HAVE THAT LIST? YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. NO. AND THIS THIS IS A QUESTION STAFF HAS HAD AS FAR AS AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE COLLECTIVELY STARTED TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT WHAT WHAT'S THE GOAL OF THIS LIST HERE. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS KEPT AS A GENERAL REFERENCE AND GIVEN TO THE MAYOR AND HIS STAFF, MAYBE REPRESENTED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S REVISED AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN? IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S INCLUDED WITH THE BUDGET? SO WE'VE YOU'VE YOU'VE SPECIFIED THAT BY POTENTIALLY NAILING DOWN A VISION, WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE REST OF THESE OUT OR, YOU KNOW, START TO PRIORITIZE THESE WITH THE VISION IN MIND. SO LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN SORRY COUNCILMEMBER. REAL QUICK OFF TO THE FAR RIGHT. JUST SHOWED YOU THE RANKING THAT YOU IN A SURVEY THAT YOU PARTICIPATED IN A MONTH OR SO AGO, ALL SEVEN OF YOU WERE ABLE TO GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK. AND SO THE FAR RIGHT SHOWS THE AVERAGE PRIORITY, WHICH IS THEY'RE THEY'RE LISTED ACCORDINGLY. AND I THINK IT WAS I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB WHO SAID, WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW IS FERRET OUT THESE AND PUT THE MEAT TO THESE. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THAT. ALRIGHT. SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY MY GLASSES ARE REAL BAD, BUT I'M GOING TO THE ONE OF THE TOP ONES UP THERE IS TRANSPORTATION RIGHT. AND TRANSPORTATION AND ACTIVE MOBILITY TRANSPORTATION. YEAH. THAT'S IT'S FIFTH FROM THE BOTTOM. WHAT'S THAT. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. TRANSPORTATION LIKE FIFTH FROM THE BOTTOM. YEAH. OH I THOUGHT IT WAS I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE HIGHER THE NUMBER THE. NO. SO JUST THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. SO THERE WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO SAID THIS WAS THEIR HIGHEST. THE NEXT ONE COUNCIL AT ANY GIVEN COUNCIL MEMBER THE LOWEST THEY RANKED IT WAS THREE. SO PAY ATTENTION TO THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN, WHICH IS HOW IT'S THE HIERARCHY. THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN IS REALLY, REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S THE BODY OF THE COUNCIL. YEP. I THINK I 
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THINK WHAT COUNCILMEMBER ARENAS IS SAYING IS THAT WHATEVER IT IS, WE NEED TO NOW TAKE A LOOK AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING AND SAY BUILD WHAT GOES UNDER THERE THAT FITS WITH THE VISION WE PUT TOGETHER. WHAT ARE NOW WE NEED TO BUILD IT OUT. IF CITY IDENTITY IS, WHAT IS THE CITY IDENTITY THAT FITS THE VISION? YOU KNOW WHAT IS CIVIC EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS? WHAT KIND OF THINGS WOULD GO WITH THAT? AND NOW WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND BUILD OUT EVERYTHING UNDER THAT. I WOULD AGREE, ABSOLUTELY. AND CAN I ASK AGAIN THAT ONCE YOU HAMMER OUT THOSE SUBTOPICS, WHAT WOULD BE THE END RESULT OR WHAT'S THE OUTCOME OF THIS LIST OF PRIORITIES? WHAT WHAT WOULD THE COUNCIL WANT TO DO WITH THIS CITY CENTER? ULTIMATELY, ULTIMATELY, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO DOLLARS. AND WHERE, WHERE, WHERE DO WE PRIORITIZE THOSE DOLLARS? RIGHT. 
          AND WE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY TO TALK ABOUT FOR THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE BUDGET SEASON REALLY HITS, IF IT'S A GUIDING PRINCIPLE, RIGHT. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, LET'S SAY LET'S SAY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS NUMBER ONE, THEN OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES ARE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT TO TRADER JOE'S. WE WANT TO COSTCO STEAKHOUSE. RIGHT. BUT BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH ACROSS THE STREET. HOW COMMITTED ARE WE. AND WE PUT THOSE KIND OF DETAILS IN THERE SO THAT IF SOMETHING COMES UP IN A MEETING OR IN THE BUDGET, THEN WE SAY, DOES THAT FIT THAT? IF NOT, IT MAY BE A DISTRACTION IN WHAT WE WANT TO DO. FOCUS THAT ON. I MEAN, THIS AFTERNOON, PAUL AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ON CITY IDENTITY, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 7800 SOUTH THAT THE ENTRANCE TO THE CITY, 7800 SOUTH. RIGHT. AND WE DID THE GATEWAY ON THE 70TH SOUTH A YEAR OR TWO AGO. AND I KNOW I THREW A FIT AND SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THE MONEY FROM THE 7800 SOUTH INTO THE 70TH ONE. WE NEED TO RETAIN SOME MONEY FOR THE 78TH GATEWAY. 
          RIGHT. WELL, IF THAT'S A PRIORITY WITH CITY IDENTITY AND GATEWAY, THEN IF PAUL AND CORBIN AND THE MAYOR COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE GOT A PLAN TO HELP MAKE THAT GATEWAY AT 78TH BETTER, AND IT MEETS CITY IDENTITY. A COUPLE THINGS. WE SAY IT CHECKS THOSE OFF. IT WORKS. IT'S NOT A DISTRACTION. WHERE IF IT WERE THAT SAME PROJECT AT 90TH SOUTH OR AT MOUNTAIN VIEW AND 94 SOUTH, THAT MIGHT NOT BE BENEFICIAL. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GOT TO FERRET THESE OUT AND PUT SOME DETAIL IN AND PUT SOME DETAIL IN IT AND SOME STEPS ON WHAT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC ART AND CITY IDENTITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I THINK WE NEED TO PUT WHAT WE THINK THE CITY LOOKS LIKE WITH THAT. WELL, I THINK WE CAN TAKE THIS LIST HERE AND WE CAN DO IT, AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE CAN DO IT AS WELL, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THIS VISION AND HAD, YOU KNOW, OUR OUR THOUGHTS, THEIR THOUGHTS AND PUT IN TOGETHER. BUT COME UP WITH A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE INDIVIDUALLY THINK SHOULD GO UNDER EACH OF THOSE. AND MAYBE WE ONLY KNOW 1 OR 2 FOR SOME OF THEM, BUT SOME WILL KNOW A LOT MORE, AND THEN WE'LL PUT IT TOGETHER. AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER LIST. AND IT SOUNDS RIDICULOUS, BUT THEN WE GO THROUGH AND PRIORITIZE THAT LIST. SO WE'VE GOT THIS IS A PRIORITY. BUT THEN UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE ARE TEN THINGS. WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES IN THAT BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM. AND THEN WE CAN START LOOKING AT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING. WE'LL BUILD OUR VISION. IF WE LOOK AT GO BACK TO THE VISION AND PUT OUR PRIORITIES INTO THAT, THEN I THINK WE COULD REALLY GO THROUGH AND SAY, WELL, THIS WAS THE NUMBER ONE THING, AND THIS WAS THE NUMBER ONE THING UNDER THE NUMBER ONE THING. SO WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THIS IS OUR ONE OF OUR HIGHEST PRIORITIES, IF NOT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. AND WE CAN START LOOKING AT AT ELEMENTS OF THAT. AND WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE IDEAS OF WHAT ARE THE BUDGETS FOR SOME OF THESE AND WHAT MAYBE WE CAN'T AFFORD. 
          THIS IS A SUPER HIGH PRIORITY, BUT MAYBE A COUPLE OF THESE OTHER THINGS WILL WILL HELP THAT. SO IT'S JUST A THOUGHT IN HOW WE CAN EXPAND THIS OUT. SO OBVIOUSLY THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND PERHAPS PRIORITIES HAVE SHIFTED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FOUR MONTHS. BUT WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER JUST SAID AS FAR AS WELL, COUNCILMAN GREEN, DEFINING THE SUBTOPICS OF THESE CATEGORIES. YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. YOU DID THAT IN JANUARY AT THE RETREAT. SO IF THAT'S A SIMPLE EXERCISE OF OUR OFFICE GOING BACK IN AND ACTUALLY ADDING IN DETAIL THE ITEMS THAT YOU ALREADY SUBMITTED, WHICH GAVE US THESE SUMMARIES, THEN IN TURN, I MEAN, WE CAN WORK BACKWARDS AND THEN WE CAN ADD SOME. RIGHT? IT'S JUST ADDING CLARITY AND. YEAH, EXACTLY. IF YOU WANTED TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL POINTS WE CAN GO FROM THERE. AND THEN WHAT COUNCIL 
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MEMBER IS SAYING IS THEN, THEN WE RANK. THEN EACH COUNCIL RANKS THE SUBCATEGORIES WITHIN EACH CATEGORY. AND THEY WORK. YOU WORK OFF OF PRIORITIES FROM THERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE TOO ON THIS WHEN WE'RE TALKING BUDGETING AND HAVING THESE BE KIND OF BUDGET PRIORITIES AND EVEN WITH THE VISION STATEMENT BEING A BUDGET KIND OF GUIDELINE, KIND OF A THING, WE REALIZE AND I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP AS A, AS A JUST A THOUGHT IN THE BACK OF OUR HEADS, KIND OF AS A FOUNDING, FOUNDATIONAL THING, THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME ABOVE ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY COMES ABOVE ALL OF THIS, RIGHT? BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS COME ABOVE ALL OF THIS. INFRASTRUCTURE. RIGHT? WELL, THERE'S BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW HIGH OF A PRIORITY DO WE DO IT AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS OUR DISCRETIONARY FUNDS, SO TO SPEAK, CITIES REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS, THEORETICALLY SPEAKING. BUT ONCE WE GET THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE, MAINTENANCE IS COVERED. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANSION AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT WHEN WE SAY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT'S OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, IT DOESN'T COME AHEAD OF POLICE OR FIRE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T GET ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SAFE CITY. 
          IT DOESN'T COME AHEAD OF SEWER MAINTENANCE OR WATER OR WHATEVER ELSE BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE THINGS IN PLACE. SO WE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND ALSO, AND I THINK IT'S PART OF THIS NARRATIVE, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS, LOOK, WE'RE NOT PRIORITIZING, YOU KNOW, CITY EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS AS OUR NUMBER THREE PRIORITY ON HERE OUT OF 11 OR 12 OR WHATEVER IS UP HERE. WE'RE NOT SAYING CITY EVENTS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ROADS. WATER POLICE. WE'RE NOT. RIGHT. THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF OUR IT'S JUST A POINT THAT'S KIND OF BEEN PERCOLATING IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD TRYING TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT BUDGET PRIORITY. BUT THAT'S AFTER KIND OF THE BASICS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GUIDING PRINCIPLES. RIGHT. MAYBE THE FIRST GUIDING PRINCIPLE ABOVE ALL OF THESE IS THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO POLICE, FIRE. YEAH, THERE'S A BASIC QUALITY. WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE CORE SERVICES AND COMMITTED TO EXCELLENCE IN THE CORE SERVICES. AND THAT THAT BECOMES THE FIRST GUIDING PRINCIPLE AND THEN EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THAT IS THE CORE OF THE CITY, RIGHT? YEAH. IS THE BASICS. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. SO THE FIRST GUIDING PRINCIPLE PROBABLY OUGHT TO BE EXCELLENCE IN OUR BASICS. AND THEN THE REST OF THESE FALL UNDER THAT I WOULD AGREE. I AGREE WITH THAT FOR SURE. ESTABLISHED AND PRIORITIZED. YEAH. YEAH. WE CAN FIND A WAY TO WORDSMITH THAT IN A PRESENTATION PERSPECTIVE. NO YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, NONE OF US ARE SAYING THAT WE WERE GOING TO TAKE AWAY POLICE FUNDS TO. PARTY IN THE PARK, HAVE A PARTY IN THE PARK. BUT, BUT, BUT WE REITERATE THAT IF WE REITERATE THAT WHAT WE ALWAYS AND WE REITERATE THAT WHAT WE EXPECT THE CITY TO GET US TO WHERE WE WANT IN THE VISION IS EXCELLENCE IN THOSE BASICS, EXCELLENCE IN POLICE, EXCELLENCE IN FIRE, WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL THAT THAT HELPS GET US TO THE VISION THAT'S PROBABLY NUMBER ONE IS LET'S GET THE LET'S GET THE BASICS RIGHT. AND THEN THE REST OF THESE ARE OTHER PRINCIPLES THAT HELP US GET THERE TOO. SO I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT TO BRING UP, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT ACTION ITEMS ARE COMING FROM ALL OF THIS. ARGUABLY, ONE IS COMMUNICATING TO THE PUBLIC THE COUNCIL HAS ESTABLISHED A VISION STATEMENT. HERE ARE OUR PRIORITIES. AND HAMMERING OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE OUR CORE BASIC NEEDS, OUR CORE BASIC PRIORITIES JUST TO COMMUNICATE TO ANY READER WHO OTHERWISE MIGHT BE CONFUSED OF WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE A PRIORITY FOR BASIC SERVICES. I THINK IT'S A GOOD A GOOD POINT OF CLARITY. SO WELL, APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATELY ADD THAT IN. I THINK THE WAY BOB WAS DOING TO. EXERCISE. TAKE THE STUFF. LET US PRAY ON HOOPS. LET US PROVIDE SOME SOME FILL IN THE GAPS FROM JANUARY AND STUFF AND JUST START TO ASSEMBLE IT. AND THEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT, WHENEVER WE HAVE THESE WE TAKE 2 OR 3 AND TEAR THEM OUT. AND YEAH, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY AT THIS COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING WAS SCHEDULED WITH THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC IN MIND. SO IF WE WANT TO KEEP GOING, I MEAN, IT'S AT YOUR PREROGATIVE. BUT I WAS OTHERWISE GOING TO SPECIFY I FEEL OUR 
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OFFICE HAS SOME GOOD INSTRUCTION AS FAR AS WORKING BACKWARDS FROM THESE CATEGORIES, ADDING THE SUBTOPICS, POTENTIALLY DOING A COUPLE MORE SURVEYS TO DO SOME RANKINGS, AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAMMER OUT PRIORITIES WITH EACH CATEGORY AND SUBTOPIC. YES, I THINK IT'S A GREAT DIRECTION. I DO FEEL LIKE SOME OF THESE FIT WITHIN EACH OTHER. SO ARE YOU GOING TO WORK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH WE WILL. YEAH. BECAUSE AGAIN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING UP ON THE SCREEN IS VERY SURFACE LEVEL. IT WAS IT WAS LARGELY JUST TAKING ALL, ALL THE, YOU KNOW AGAIN USING AI TO OUR ADVANTAGE, THROWING EVERYTHING IN IT AND SAYING GIVE ME SOME COMMON SIMILARITIES, SOME COMMON THEMES. BUT AS WE DIVE BACK IN, YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT ONES THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE COMBINED OR CAN BE COMBINED, CONSOLIDATED, JUST ALL JUST AS A START, LIKE PUBLIC ART AND ESTHETICS AND CIVIC EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS BOTH FIT WITHIN CITY IDENTITY FOR ME. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. AND THAT DOCUMENT, WHETHER IT'S A SURVEY OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WILL BE A WORKING DOCUMENT. SO WHETHER RIGHT HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER SHELDON OR THROUGH THAT, YOU WILL TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK COLLECTIVELY FROM COUNCIL AND WE'LL WE'LL WORK ON SOME THINGS. I WOULD ACTUALLY THINK DIVERSITY AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN FALLS CITY IDENTITY AND THE AND THE, THE CIVIC EVENTS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO I THINK YOU PROBABLY GOT 3 OR 4, MAYBE EVEN FIVE OF THOSE THAT WORK WITHIN CITY IDENTITY AND WE BREAK THEM OUT AND GET SOME GOOD SUBSTRUCTURE TO IT. AND MAYBE WE LOOK TO HAVE A MAX OF EIGHT CATEGORIES OR SOMETHING. AS FAR AS ASSUMING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REVISITED ANNUALLY OR WHATEVER THE TIME FRAME MIGHT BE, WE CAN SET SOME PARAMETERS TO THIS DOCUMENT SO IT'S EASIER TO NAVIGATE MOVING FORWARD. THE GOAL WOULD BE, IS TO GET THIS DONE. AND THEN AT A LEGISLATIVE AT THE RETREAT. AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS SAY WHAT DO WE WANT TO UPDATE, NOT REDO, NOT TRY TO REDO THIS EVERY AND HAVE A PROCESS THAT'S A LITTLE MORE EVERY TIME WE DO THIS. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING IN JANUARY AND ADOPTING SOMETHING IN MAY A LITTLE MORE QUICK, WHICH ISN'T ANYBODY'S FAULT UP TO THIS POINT. SO WE'LL DEFINITELY WORK TO HAVE THAT SMOOTHER MOVING FORWARD. BUT I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, CHAIR, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A GOOD A GOOD DIRECTION ON ON MOVING THIS FORWARD, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL EXPO CENTER. JUST KIDDING. I'D LOVE TO TALK THERE WITH YOU. THAT'S GOING TO BE AT 5600 WEST, RIGHT? 5600 WEST STATION AREA PLAN CENTER AND A CONTAINER PLANT AND A FERRIS WHEEL. YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER. AND THAT'LL HELP WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CITY IDENTITY EVENTS. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. POTENTIALLY. OKAY. NOW REPEAT EVERYTHING. SO I JUST THE HIGH SCHOOLS DOING THE ARTWORK ON THE WALLS AT THE ART CENTER. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN IN A SECOND. WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY, LET'S ADJOURN? I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM. DISCUSSION TO THE MOTION. ALL THOSE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOS
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