[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:04] ALL RIGHT. CALL TO ORDER THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING FOR THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN FOR MAY 6TH, 2025. THIS IS A SPECIAL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING THAT WE DECIDED TO ADD TO TONIGHT'S MEETINGS, SO THAT WE COULD GET THROUGH A FEW MORE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. TONIGHT, WE DO HAVE TWO DISCUSSION TOPICS THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER. AND AS A CITY COUNCIL, IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HEAR FROM THOSE THAT ARE PUTTING THESE TOPICS FORTH AND THEN ALSO FOR US TO ASK [a. Discussion of the proposed Prose River Park Development] QUESTIONS AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THOSE BEFORE THEY COME BACK TO A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO TONIGHT WE WILL START WITH DISCUSSION TOPIC A, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED PROS RIVER PARK DEVELOPMENT. AND AT THIS TIME WE HAVE RAY. DID YOU WANT TO PRESENT THIS OR DO WE HAVE RYAN BARKER TO COME UP? RYAN ALRIGHT RYAN BARKER COME ON UP AND LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR GIVING US A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT WITH YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. I'VE GOT STEVE JONES WITH ME FROM DWELL DESIGN, LOCAL ARCHITECT THAT'S WORKING WITH US ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL, BECAUSE I FELT LIKE HE MAY BE HELPFUL IN ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS AS WE AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS. WE SUBMITTED A PRE-APPLICATION FOR THIS PROJECT. ONCE WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE CORRIDOR ZONE WAS AN OPTION FOR THIS SITE, I UNDERSTAND THAT SEVERAL DEVELOPERS HAVE COME BEFORE US AND THAT MAY BE GOOD OR BAD OR OTHERWISE, BUT AS WE'VE AS WE'VE FOLLOWED THIS AND PURSUED THIS PROJECT, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY ON THIS LOCATION UNDER THE CORRIDOR CORRIDOR ZONE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR STRUCTURED PARKING AS IT RELATES TO THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY. AND THAT'S THE REASON WE SUBMITTED UNDER THAT PARTICULAR ZONE. AND AFTER WE MADE OUR PRE-APPLICATION, I THINK THE THING THAT WE THAT WE LEARNED THAT CAME OUT OF THIS AS A RED FLAG FOR US WAS THE MINIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENT THAT COMES WITH THE CORRIDOR ZONE. AND AS WE STUDIED WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN TO OUR PROJECT, IT INCREASED THE SIZE OF IT SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT ULTIMATELY WOULD FORCE THE PROJECT TO HAVE STRUCTURED PARKING AGAIN. AND THIS IF THAT'S THE CASE, THIS THIS WOULD CERTAINLY GO THE WAY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS OF JUST NOT BEING FEASIBLE ECONOMICALLY. AND SO OUR HOPE IN IN COMING TODAY WAS TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE IS ANY WAY THAT WE MIGHT WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WOULD STILL STILL PROVIDE FOR A WIN WIN SITUATION THAT WOULD WORK FOR THE COUNCIL TODAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPER? NONE TONIGHT. USUALLY WE HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS. I KNOW THIS IS BEEN A SITE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT MANY TIMES WITH DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. SO IT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT COMES IN NEW. AND I DO KNOW THAT PARKING IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE. THERE'S NO PARKING AVAILABLE ON REDWOOD ROAD BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PARK ON THAT STREET. AND THE STREET 6670 SOUTH IS A CANAL ROAD. SO PARKING IS INTERESTING THERE. SO KIND OF TELL US, YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. OBVIOUSLY I SEE A BIG PARKING LOT THERE, BUT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON PARKING FOR THESE BUILDINGS? YEAH, SURE. SO WE CURRENTLY ARE PROVIDING ABOUT ALMOST TWO STALLS PER UNIT RESIDENTIAL UNIT. SO THAT WOULD COVER, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A ROOMMATE SITUATION OR GUESTS OR VISITORS TO THE SITE THAT THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE TENANT, PLUS A GUEST OR TWO CARS PER UNIT ESSENTIALLY ON THE SITE. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THAT PARKING AT THIS MOMENT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM, WE'VE BEEN SEEING A DISTURBING TREND IN BUILDINGS LIKE THIS STARTING TO CHARGE THEIR RESIDENTS FOR PARKING. AND I JUST I KNOW IT'S ONCE YOU TURN IT OVER TO WHOEVER ENDS UP OWNING IT, IT'S KIND OF OUT OF YOUR HANDS. BUT IF THERE IS ANY WAY WE CAN PREVENT THAT DOWN THE ROAD, I WOULD. YOU WOULD MAKE ME A VERY HAPPY PERSON. AND I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. OUR INTENT ON THE SURFACE PARKING WOULD NOT BE TO CHARGE FOR PARKING. THE STRUCTURED PARKING IS SUCH AN EXPENSE THAT USUALLY DEVELOPERS, THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN MAKE IT WORK IS IF THEY CHARGE QUITE A BIT FOR THAT PARKING. AND THEN SOME OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ARE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PAY THAT. THEY'LL PARK ON THE STREETS SURROUNDING THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE DEALING WITH NOW. AND SO I ACTUALLY THINK THIS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS AN ARGUMENT TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THIS, THE FEASIBILITY AND THAT THIS IS A [00:05:02] PROJECT THAT COULD BE BUILT, THE FACT THAT IT IS SURFACE PARKING, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO CHARGE FOR PARKING. AND I THINK WE COULD SOLVE THAT BY THE BY THE PARKING RATIO THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WHERE PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE TO PARK OUT ON THE STREET. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER GREEN. MY QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTED TO MR. MCCANDLESS. SO I WILL WAIT UNTIL EVERYBODY ELSE IS DONE WITH THE. THEIR QUESTIONS TO THE DEVELOPER. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON, I GUESS I'M WONDERING IF YOU'VE CONSIDERED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE GRACE COMPANY FOR PARKING SPACE AND THAT THEY HAVE A HUGE PARKING LOT THERE. YES. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. ENTER INTO ANY AGREEMENTS YET. BUT THROUGH THROUGH THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT WITH MEANING THIS SITE, THEY HAVE A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND THEY'VE TOLD US THAT WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, THAT THEY WOULD HELP US ENTERTAIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO LOOK AT THAT SOLUTION. ANOTHER AND I'M NOT WELL EDUCATED ON THIS. SO I COULD BE REALLY OFF BASE. JUST TELL ME IF I AM. BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED TAX INCREMENT FINANCING FOR PARKING STRUCTURE? WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT AS IT RELATES TO THIS PROJECT. NO. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. VICE CHAIR, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE YOU ASKED A QUESTION. AND MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO, I'M NOT WILLING TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION. WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR A REASON, AND THEY WERE WELL DEVELOPED AND WELL THOUGHT OUT. AND I'M NOT WILLING TO MAKE THE EXCEPTION. THE OTHER THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE HAVE SEVERAL HIGH DENSITY APARTMENT UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. AND THE LATEST DATA THAT I GOT SENT TO ME SHOWS THAT RENTS ARE GOING DOWN AND VACANCIES ARE GOING UP IN THIS VALLEY. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT I WOULD WANT THERE. AND NOT ONLY THAT, WHAT OUR GOVERNOR WANTS IS PROPERTIES THAT PEOPLE CAN OWN. AND THIS DOESN'T FIT THAT. SO THIS ISN'T WHAT I WOULD DESIRE THERE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT FITS ANY OF THE CITY'S NEEDS OR THE STATE'S NEEDS. IF YOU CAME BACK WITH SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE COULD OWN THAT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING I COULD ENTERTAIN. BUT YOUR QUESTION WAS, WOULD I ENTERTAIN CHANGING CODE SO THAT YOU COULD MAKE FOR A BETTER LACK OF A BETTER ANALOGY, A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE? AND MY ANSWER IS NO. OKAY, THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER JACOB. YEAH, I'LL SAY I THINK I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU GUYS ON THIS BEFORE. IF NOT YOU, IT WAS SOMEBODY WHO LOOKED LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T ME. I TALKED TO A COUPLE PEOPLE ABOUT THIS, BUT MY. MY DRUTHERS HAD I THEM WOULD BE TO HAVE STRUCTURED PARKING HERE BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL PARCEL. YOU COULD MAKE BETTER USE OF IT IF YOU CONSOLIDATED THE PARKING. RIGHT. I PAID PARADISE AND PUT UP A PARKING LOT. NOT THAT IT'S PARADISE RIGHT NOW. IT'S A BIG EMPTY LOT WITH WEEDS. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT PARADISE AT THE MOMENT, BUT TO MAKE SOMETHING REALLY NICE, I THINK WHAT YOU'D WANT IS STRUCTURED PARKING AND NOT PARKING SPRAWL. WHICH IS WHAT I. HOW I KIND OF SEE THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF A PERSONAL PREFERENCE. I'M NOT A I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HIGH DENSITY HOUSING ON THIS PART PARCEL. THIS IS WHERE IT BELONGS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, YOU PUT IT NEXT TO THE BIGGEST ROAD IN THE CITY. SO THIS IS THIS IS WHERE HIGH DENSITY BELONGS. I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE USE TO BUFFER COMMERCIAL TO OTHER RESIDENTIAL ZONES THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS THIS MAKES SENSE AS A ZONE. IT MAKES SENSE AS A USE. IT'S JUST A REALLY BIG PARKING LOT. YEAH. AND TO SPEAK TO THAT, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO BUILD A STRUCTURED PARKING LOT HERE IF IT WERE FEASIBLE. WE'VE RUN THE NUMBERS ON IT SEVERAL TIMES. STEVE'S LOOKED AT SEVERAL DESIGNS FOR US, AND THE NUMBERS THAT COME BACK ARE JUST THEY'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO FEASIBLE AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE OTHER SITES WHERE WE ARE BUILDING STRUCTURED PARKING, BUT EVEN THOSE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN DOWNTOWN SALT LAKE, IT'S BARELY WORKING RIGHT NOW. AND IT'S WITH THE COST ESCALATION THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE TARIFFS ARE ONLY GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IMPACT THAT FURTHER. SO AS MUCH AS WE WOULD WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE THAT WILL EVER BE FEASIBLE IN THIS LOCATION BASED ON THE RENTS THAT ARE ATTAINABLE. RIGHT. I WAS WONDERING IF MAYBE IF TALLER WAS PERMISSIBLE, IF THAT WOULD MAKE STRUCTURED PARKING MORE POSSIBLE. COULD YOU IF YOU PUT MORE UNITS IN THERE, COULD YOU COULD THAT MAKE I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS. I [00:10:03] DON'T KNOW. AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO CRUNCH NUMBERS WHILE WE'RE TALKING ACROSS THE ROOM HERE, BUT. BUT THERE ARE PLACES THAT REQUIRE IT AND IT GETS BUILT. IF WE WERE A PLACE THAT REQUIRED IT, THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO MAKE IT. PENCIL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAY IS. I'M NOT A DEVELOPER. SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE HOLDUP IS OR WHAT THE WHAT THE IMPEDIMENT TO THAT WOULD BE, BUT I'M JUST I SOME SUBURBAN AMERICA SUBURBIA IN SALT LAKE CITY, SUBURBAN UTAH IS FAMOUS FOR PARKING LOTS. AND FRANKLY, THIS IS CLOSE ENOUGH TO OUR CITY CENTER AREA AND THINGS THAT I KIND OF WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THAT AND GET TOWARD MORE NON PARKING LOT CENTRIC DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS STILL PARKING LOT CENTRIC. SO NO, WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE AS WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, WE'VE YOU KNOW THE DESIGN THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT CERTAINLY CAN SCREEN THE PARKING LOT. AND WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW OPEN TO SOLUTIONS TO MAKE A YOU KNOW IF PUSH IT MAYBE TO FIVE STORIES FOR THAT PART OF THE FRONT'S REDWOOD ROAD WHICH I THINK WOULD BE NICE AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN AND WILLING TO DO ANYTHING WE CAN TO, TO MAKE A PROJECT WORK. AND I KNOW THAT SEVERAL HAVE COME BEFORE US THAT HAVE TRIED TO MAKE IT WORK WITH STRUCTURED PARKING. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO AND IT'S ONLY GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THEN. IT ONLY CONTINUES TO GET WORSE. AND MY HONEST OPINION IS, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE 5 OR 10 YEARS OR MAYBE LONGER UNTIL IT DOES. IT'S A FUNCTION OF RENTS OR COSTS. AND NEITHER OF THOSE DYNAMICS ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT IN ANYWHERE CLOSE IN THIS MARKET RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. WE WISH THEY WERE BECAUSE WE WOULD WE WOULD LOVE TO COMPLY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY AND JUST DO THAT. YEAH. AND I'M NOT I'M NOT SO MUCH I MEAN IT'S JUST IT'S A BIG PARKING LOT NEXT TO A BIG EMPTY PARKING LOT. YEAH. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, THE ESTHETICS ARE NOT WHAT I'M GOING FOR. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU. I GUESS WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR RAY. IF. RAY, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP NOW AND WE'LL HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN ASK HIS QUESTIONS, THEN IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO PRESENT, PLEASE LET US KNOW. THANK YOU. SO I'VE GOT 2 OR 3 QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE, THIS ZONE HAD THAT THAT RATIO THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. EXPLAIN THAT SO THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR. SO THAT'S A FLOOR AREA RATIO. AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF SETS THE MINIMUM DENSITY FOR THE PROJECT. SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST TAKING THE FLOOR AREA OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND THEN DIVIDING THAT INTO THE. INTO THE OVERALL LOT AREA. AND THEN WHAT THAT DOES IS IT JUST GIVES YOU THAT NUMBER. AND WITH THIS ONE I THINK THERE IS IT'S RIGHT AT 1.5, EVEN WITH 345 UNITS. SO IT'S JUST KIND OF IT, IT'S UNDER THAT ZONE. IT'S AT ITS MINIMUM. SO IF WE HAD THREE, 345 UNITS, THEN WE WOULD NEED 400 AND SOMETHING PARK ALMOST 500 BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS. IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OR ON THE AREA. OKAY. BUILDING AND THE AREA OF THE LOT. SO WITH WITH 345 UNITS, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED? OH SEE I THINK THAT'S ON. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. OH I SEE 37. I THOUGHT THAT WAS ON HERE. OH 337 SO THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE. YES. SO WHY DID THEY SAY THAT. IT'S JUST A KEEP IN MIND THIS, THIS IS KIND OF A CONCEPT, BRIAN. SO WE'LL GET INTO THE ACTUAL DETAILS. BUT SO I'M CONFUSED. THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T WORK WITH THE, THE FLOOR RATIOS. BUT THIS IS THE NUMBER. DOES THIS WORK WITH THE RATIO OR NOT. IT WOULD WORK WITH THE RATIO. SO THEN WHAT ARE THE WHAT. WHAT ARE THEY ASKING FOR THE EXCEPTION OF THE COVERED PARKING THE COVERED STRUCTURED PARKING. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. AT FLEXIBILITY OR OKAY. ALL RIGHT. FLEXIBILITY I'M NOT SURE THAT COVERED PARKING OR I'LL LEAVE THE COMMENTS HERE. IT'S THE COVERAGE STRUCTURE. WELL IT'S THE STRUCTURED PARKING OKAY. BECAUSE COVERED PARKING IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT DIFFERENT ANIMAL. THAT'S JUST THOSE LITTLE POLES WITH THE SHEET METAL ON TOP. RIGHT? RIGHT. IS THAT OKAY? SORRY. SURE. WHAT WAS YOUR [00:15:06] COMMENT? I JUST I KNOW THE QUESTION WAS WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO WHAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN A CHANGE UNDER THE CORRIDOR ZONE, IT WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION OR I GUESS A VARIANCE TO THE FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THERE'S A MINIMUM OF 1.5. SO THIS DRAWING RIGHT HERE SHOWS WE JUST DID A DRAWING TO SHOW THE IMPACT OF THAT FLOOR AREA RATIO. SO THIS IS A THESE ARE THIS IS A FIVE STORY BUILDING. AND IT'S YOU KNOW EXTREMELY HIGH DENSITY WITH THOSE TWO COURTYARDS THAT YOU KNOW FUNCTIONALLY WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT AND AWKWARD. YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY SPEAKING. AND JUST PUT A PROJECT SIZE THAT THAT IS ALSO NOT GOING TO WORK, BUT IT PUSHES US TO BUILD. IF YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A IT'S CALLED A SLIP DECK, BUT THAT'S A STRUCTURED PARKING ELEMENT ON THERE. AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE TO RAY TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE 1.5 RATIO. THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. AND IT'S A BUILDING THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK FINANCIALLY ANY ANYWHERE CLOSE. WE WOULD LOVE IT IF IT DID, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T. SO I THINK TO CLARIFY, WE'D BE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE UNDER THE UNDER THAT FLOOR AREA RATIO. SO WHERE WOULD THEY PARK? WHAT'S THAT? WHERE WOULD THEY PARK. SO THE PREVIOUS THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. OPTION ONE THAT WAS THAT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED. WHO'S GOT THE CLICKER AND CAN BACK US UP A SLIDE. THANK YOU. THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED. AND IT'S 100% SURFACE PART. AND THIS DOESN'T MEET THE ORDINANCE. IT DOESN'T MEET THE CORRIDOR ZONE BECAUSE OF THE FLOOR AREA. FLOOR AREA RATIO. OH OKAY. THE FLOOR AREA RATIO ON THIS ONE IS ABOUT ONE. SO THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS YOU TAKE THE AREA OF THE SITE AND YOU DIVIDE OR YOU KIND OF DIVIDE THE BUILDING AREA. AND THAT TELLS YOU HOW DENSE THE DEVELOPMENT IS. RIGHT? SO IF THE SITE WAS 100FT■!S, YOU WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE 100FT■!S OF BUILDING. TT WOULD GIVE YOU A FLOOR AREA RATIO OF ONE. SO WHAT THIS SHOWS, THIS OPTION SHOWS IS A FLOOR AREA OF ABOUT ONE. SO IT'S A LITTLE UNDERNEATH THE CODE MINIMUM OF 1.5 OKAY RAY. MY OTHER QUESTION WAS I SEE ON BOTH DESIGNS 6670. WHAT ARE WE I GUESS I NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE WESTERN END OF 6670, EITHER FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE OR FROM BRIAN'S PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE I, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S GOING TO DEAD END. CORRECT. I THINK THEY'RE I'M GOING TO LET BRIAN ANSWER THAT, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A STUDY GOING ON RIGHT NOW ON THAT STREET TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD CONTINUE THROUGH. AND THERE'S NO WAY ALSO THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT. GO AHEAD, BRIAN. THANKS, COUNCILMAN. SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE A STUDY GOING ON. WE CALL IT CANAL ROAD. BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING THE ROAD IN THE CANAL. IT'S ERODING. SO WE'RE DOING A STUDY RIGHT NOW TO HOW TO MITIGATE THAT. THAT WILL BE COMING BACK THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. BUT CURRENTLY THAT ROAD WILL NOT HANDLE THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC AND PUNCHES THROUGH. AND HONESTLY, I MEAN, THEY'RE THE ONE THE ONE NUMBER. BUT EVEN WITH 200 UNITS, I'M NOT SURE THAT I WANT TO PUT 200 UNITS THAT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE WEST THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO IN MY SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW, IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS OF EXTENDING THAT RIGHT NOW. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY EXTENSION. WELL, I MEAN ALL THE WAY THROUGH. YEAH. BECAUSE IT DEAD ENDS RIGHT THERE. YEAH. EVENTUALLY IT WILL GO THROUGH. WE REALLY GOING TO HAVE THAT GO THROUGH. THAT'S THE PLAN. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN. I MEAN ONCE ONCE CERTAIN THINGS WE NEED I WILL TELL YOU NOT ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT LATER BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE JUST FOR THE COUNCIL, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ROAD TO OPEN UP THROUGH, GIVEN THAT THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THE OLD THE MINK FARM OR THE OLD MEAT FARM THAT'S THERE, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WILL JUST USE THAT ROAD TO CUT THROUGH TO 2200 WEST. AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT POINT. I'M NOT GOING DOWN THAT ROAD. SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD STILL BE A DEAD END. IT WOULDN'T GO THROUGH. WE USE THE WORD CLOSED ROAD INSTEAD OF DEAD END BECAUSE IT'S A CLOSED ROAD. NO, IT'S CLOSED THAT THERE'S BARRIERS. I DON'T EVEN THINK THE FIRE TRUCKS CAN GET THROUGH. NO, NOT OFF THE ROAD. WHAT THEY CAN. BUT I KNOW [00:20:01] IT WAS CLOSED. IT WAS CLOSED 30 YEARS AGO BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE CUTTING THROUGH. OH, THERE'S A FENCE. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD REQUESTED THAT WHEN I WAS VERY DETERMINED, FIRE TRUCK COULD PROBABLY GET THROUGH. BUT, YEAH, THERE'S A STUDY GOING ON. WE'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ROAD. EITHER FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE CANAL BOX CULVERT AND PAVE OR WIDEN OUT. WE JUST WE'RE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT ROAD IS IN BAD SHAPE. SO THANK YOU. THANKS. SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD ON? MY LAST COMMENT IS THIS IS A HARD PIECE OF LAND TO DEVELOP. I DON'T THINK IT'LL EVER BE A OWNERSHIP LEVEL TYPE LAND. IT WON'T BE ONE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUILD HOMES ON HERE. IT'S GOING TO BE EITHER APARTMENTS OR IT'S GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL. AND RIGHT NOW, COMMERCIAL DOESN'T SEEM TO WANT TO BE THERE EITHER. SO WE'VE HAD, WHAT, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN ITERATIONS OF APARTMENTS ON THIS? WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE IT BE AND WHERE DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD? BUT SO FAR TONIGHT, I'M HEARING THAT NOBODY WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED. AM I CORRECT? I'M NOT SO MUCH OPPOSED TO IT'S NOT OPPOSED TO. YEAH. TO IT. I LIKE OPTION TWO BETTER THAN OPTION ONE. THEY SAY IT DOESN'T PENCIL, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TAKING A LOOK AT THIS FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. AS MORE AS WE GET MORE DETAILS, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT A LITTLE MORE OF A PLAN. IT'S NOT WHAT I PREFER, BUT I COULD WELL BUT FOR THEM TO PROCEED ON NUMBER ON OPTION NUMBER ONE, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE WILLING TO MODIFY THE ORDINANCE THAT WE JUST PASSED. AND I PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO THAT TO COME UP WITH THAT LAND RATIO. AND WELL, SCOTT, DO YOU SO THIS IS A COMMITTEE MEETING, RIGHT? I CAN YEAH, JUMP ON IT. AND THAT THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT THAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET CLARITY FROM THE COUNCIL ON IS ARE YOU WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MODIFY EITHER THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY DISTRICT OR THE FRESHLY MINTED CC ZONE, THE CORRIDOR ZONE, SO THAT THAT IS THE HEART OF THE QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU SEEN SOMETHING THAT THAT INTRIGUES YOU ENOUGH THAT WE COULD COULD EXPLORE THOSE THINGS OR NOT, OR JUST STICK TO WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I KNOW WE HATE THE FACT THAT WE LIVE IN SUCH A AUTO CENTRIC COMMUNITY. THE FACT IS, IS THAT YOU HATE IT. OR DO YOU KEEP DRIVING YOUR CAR TO KEEP DRIVING MY CAR TO WE DON'T LIKE IT. WE WANT TO CHANGE IT. WE WISH THAT YOU KNOW THAT THERE THERE WAS A, A BUS EVERY FIVE MINUTES ON EVERY ROAD. BUT. I THINK WE HAVE THESE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR A REASON. IT'S BECAUSE WE LIVE IN UTAH, NOT IN FRANCE. AND SO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE THERE FOR A REASON. AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING THEM. IT'S OPEN. MIKE. GO AHEAD IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE DISCUSSING THIS. I THINK THERE IS POTENTIAL AND I THINK WITH. CONVERSATION I JUST THIS IS A GOOD SPOT FOR A HIGH DENSITY AREA LIKE THIS. IF WE CAN MAKE THE PARKING WORK AND MAKE IT WORK IN A WAY THAT'S REASONABLE FOR THIS AREA AND FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE, I'M A GO. I THINK I'LL SAY ABOUT DENSITY WHEN YOU BRING THAT UP, IS THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST PLACE TO PUT IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT HOMES. I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY IT COULD AFFECT THE HOMES THERE TO THE WEST, BUT REALLY, IF THAT ROAD'S BLOCKED OFF, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM AT ALL. AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYBODY ON THE EAST SIDE OF REDWOOD EITHER. AND EVEN IF THE ROAD'S NOT BLOCKED OFF, IT DOESN'T. I DON'T SEE A TON OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THAT WAY. UNLESS YOU REALLY WANT TO GO WEST FROM HERE. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING THE MAIN DIRECTION, ESPECIALLY IF THEY GET A LIGHT AT THE REDWOOD ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION, EITHER AT 6670 OR AT THAT CROSSROADS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. THIS WHERE I THINK A LIGHT IS PLANNED, BUT UDOT SO LET'S SAY THE LIGHTS ARE THERE, SO IF THERE'S A LIGHT THERE, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO GO OUT TO 22ND TO GO NORTH, RIGHT, TO GET OUT TO THE LIGHT. SO I DON'T SEE A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING WEST ON 6670. THAT PART DOESN'T CONCERN ME AT ALL. IF IT'S BLOCKED OFF, THEY WON'T. WELL IF IT'S BLOCKED OFF OR EVENTUALLY WHEN IT'S FIXED AND GOES THROUGH RIGHT. I STILL DON'T SEE IT AS IMPACTING THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY AT ALL. AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE WOULD GENERATE AS MUCH OR MORE [00:25:01] TRAFFIC AS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL. EVEN AT THIS DENSITY. I JUST REALLY LIKE OPTION TWO BETTER THAN OPTION ONE. I KNOW IT DOESN'T PENCIL AS WELL, BUT I IF THAT'S IF THE IF THE ZONE THAT WE JUST CREATED PUSHES THE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY TOWARD THAT, I CAN SEE WHY I LIKE THAT ZONE. BECAUSE THAT DEVELOPMENT I LIKE A LOT BETTER. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M NOT WILLING TO LOOK AT THIS AND MAYBE APPROVE AN EXCEPTION TO IT FOR THIS PARCEL, BECAUSE THIS PARCEL IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE IN WHERE IT IS AND HOW IT'S SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE RESIDENTIAL AND THAT KIND OF THING. THIS MAY THIS MAY NEED AN EXCEPTION. IT MAY TO DEVELOP THE NEIGHBORS. THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH ARE NOT MOVING. RIGHT. UNLESS UNLESS THEY MIGHT. I'M GOING TO MOVE IN THERE ONE DAY. OKAY. MOVE IN. MOVING OUT. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I AM. I'M NOT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS. I'M NOT I'M NOT ANTI I'M NOT A HARD NO. BUT I DEFINITELY LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE PUSHING THIS DEVELOPMENT USING THE NEW ZONE THAN WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS CONCEPT. I'M IN THE SAME BOAT AS, AS BOARD MEMBER JACOB HERE AND THAT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE. IT'S JUST BEEN SO LONG OF NOTHING. AND IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF TRYING TO JUST FIND OUT. AS WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT WE'VE HAD FAILURE AFTER FAILURE OF GROUPS COME IN AND TRY TO PRESENT SOMETHING. SO IF IT'S A MATTER OF WE HAVE TO BEND A LITTLE BIT TO GET SOMETHING IN THAT AREA, THEN I'M GOOD WITH IT. BUT IT'S DEFINITELY THE AN AREA THAT WE'VE CALLED OUR OUR GATEWAY INTO THE CITY. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT LOOK MORE LIKE A GATEWAY TO THE CITY AND NOT. OUTDOOR RODEO GROUNDS, FOR LACK OF SOME BETTER WORD. SO I'M WILLING TO, LIKE I SAID, SEE WHAT'S THERE. I'M NOT A I'M KIND OF IN THE WAIT AND SEE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN GET IN HERE, BUT I'M I'M OF THE MIND TO BE ABLE TO BEND TO GET A LITTLE MORE OF WHAT WE NEED. COULD A FOLLOW UP, WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO CONSIDER AMENDING AS FAR AS CODE, OR IS IT PARKING OR IS IT THE FLOOR AREA RATIO? IS IT THE DENSITY? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE FAR THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS DRIVING THE NEED FOR STRUCTURED PARKING. CORBIN I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY AND THAT WAS INTENTIONAL. I MEAN, WE ARE TRYING TO GET STRUCTURED PARKING ALONG REDWOOD ROAD. WE WANT TO DO CITY CENTER ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS A GOING TO BE A STRUCTURED, PARKING DENSE URBAN CITY CENTER. WE NEED COMPS ALONG REDWOOD ROAD TO SUPPORT CITY CENTER AREA, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A BIT FAR AWAY AND I KNOW THE COMPS RIGHT NOW DON'T SUPPORT IT, BUT YOU CAN SEE TO ZACH'S POINT, THE ZONE IS KIND OF PUSHING THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE DIRECTION WE WERE HOPING TO GO. CORBIN, IS THERE A WAY TO HELP WITH THE FINANCING OF A PARKING STRUCTURE AT THE CITY LEVEL? YEAH. YOU ASKED ABOUT TIF FOR THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? THAT'S A THIS IS A AN RDA THAT I THINK IS EXPIRED OR CLOSE TO EXPIRING. IS DAVID STILL HERE? SO THAT'S A THAT'S A IT'S A TOUGH GO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ACTIVE RDA AND TIF ON A RESIDENTIAL ONLY PROJECT CAN BE HARD TO REACH BECAUSE THE PROPERTY TAX INCREMENTS ARE NOT AS GREAT WHEN IT WHEN IT GETS THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX DEDUCTION. YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO JUMP IN AND JUST SHARE ONE MORE THING. THIS. YEP. THIS AREA HAS SAT VACANT FOR A LONG TIME. BUT I DON'T HAVE THE NEED TO HAVE EVERY SQUARE INCH OF WEST JORDAN DEVELOPED RIGHT AWAY. I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO GET THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT THAN TO GET A DEVELOPMENT. NOT ONLY THAT, THIS IS REALLY CLOSE TO A FREEWAY INTERCHANGE. I WOULD LOVE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN THERE. AND YEAH, MAYBE THERE HASN'T BEEN AN INTEREST TODAY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN TOMORROW OR NEXT WEEK OR NEXT YEAR THERE WON'T BE. AND SO I HATE TO SEE US PUT SOMETHING THAT I DON'T FEEL WE'RE LACKING JUST TO FILL THE GROUND SO THAT THOSE ARE MY $0.02. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT WILLING TO I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE AN ORDINANCE THAT WE JUST BARELY PASSED TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK THAT THAT WE'RE NOT IN DIRE NEED OF. IF WE ARE IN DIRE NEED OF IT, THEN YEAH, THEN WE SHOULD DO THAT. BUT WE'RE NOT. I DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING TO PUT THIS IN. THIS IS BEING PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPER AND THE LANDOWNER. SO I, I'M WILLING TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE AND IF THEY WANT TO PUT IT IN THERE, THAT'S [00:30:05] GREAT. I'M NOT GOING TO STOP THEM. BUT JUST SITTING ON IT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M IN FAVOR OF. LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR LAND, AND IF THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND IT MAKES SENSE, THAT'S GREAT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE AS A COUNCIL ARE SAYING, FILL THIS NOW, PLEASE. SEE, I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THIS. AND I'M, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT 60 THAT 60 UNITS AN ACRE LIKE THE, LIKE THE, THE SECOND OPTION IS NOT MY. GREATEST WANT OR DESIRE IN THE CITY. BUT THAT BEING SAID, KNOWING WHAT WE'RE KNOWING WHAT WE DID WITH THE CORRIDOR ZONE AND KNOWING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE REDWOOD ROAD CORRIDOR. OPTION NUMBER ONE. ISN'T ANY. THIS IS GOING TO SOUND TERRIBLE, BUT IT IT'S THE SAME APARTMENT COMPLEX AS WE'RE GETTING IN OTHER THAT WE'VE GOT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. IT'S JUST NOT ANYTHING SPECIAL. IT'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. AND WHY WOULD WE MODIFY THE ORDINANCE JUST TO HAVE ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX? THIS ISN'T ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE EMBARK ACROSS THE STREET. I DON'T SEE IT ANY. I DON'T SEE IT BEING ANY ANYTHING MORE THAN. AND THE DEVELOPER WILL TAKE OFFENSE AT JUST ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX. BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND. SO I, I DON'T THINK I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH LEAVING THE REDWOOD ROAD CORRIDOR ZONE THE WAY IT IS AND NOT MODIFYING IT. IF THAT MEANS GETTING MORE OF WHAT WE ACTUALLY ENVISIONED ALONG THE REDWOOD ROAD CORRIDOR, AND THAT WOULD BE TO TIE INTO CITY CENTER AND A COUPLE OF THOSE OTHER KINDS OF THINGS. YES. THIS IS THIS IS 12 BLOCKS, 12 BLOCKS AWAY FROM ACROSS THE STREET. BUT THAT'S A MILE AND A HALF. THAT'S A THAT'S STILL A GOOD RATIO TO HAVE. A CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT IF IT. AND SO I'M AND THIS WILL SOUND BLUNT TO THE DEVELOPER. BUT I DON'T MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO ORDINANCES JUST TO MAKE A DEVELOPMENT PENCIL. THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE THAN JUST MAKING A DEVELOPMENT PENCIL TO SAY WHY WOULD I WHY WOULD I MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THE ORDINANCE? AND SO I'M, I THINK I'D LEAVE THE ORDINANCE THE WAY IT IS. AND, AND IT'S EITHER A COMMERCIAL OR IT MEETS THE CORRIDOR ZONE THAT WE JUST PASSED AND MEETS THE INTENT OF WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE ALONG REDWOOD ROAD. I MEAN, PART OF THE I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY SAY THIS IS PART OF THE REASON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SCOTT AND CORBIN, BUT THE REASON WHY WE WAS DOING THE REDWOOD CORRIDOR ZONE WAS TO HELP CREATE SOME EXTRA ROOFTOPS TO HELP THAT BUSINESS AREA, ALONG WITH REDWOOD ROAD THAT HAS STRUGGLED FINANCIALLY FOR A FEW YEARS. AND SO WHY WOULD I REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ROOFTOPS WHEN THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL WAS, WAS TO INCREASE THOSE ROOFTOPS? SO I'M WILLING JUST TO LEAVE THE ORDINANCE ALONE. THANK YOU. I, I AGREE WITH CALVIN, I JUST THAT'S I MUCH, MUCH MORE IN FAVOR OF OPTION TWO. OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T PENCIL I DON'T KNOW SOUNDS LIKE A PIT OR A TIFF IS NOT AN OPTION. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. BUT THIS OPTION ONE IS NOT NOT GOING TO WORK FOR ME. ALL RIGHT. WELL, SCOTT, LOOKS LIKE WE'VE HEARD FROM ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LOOKS LIKE THE CONSENSUS IS YES, BE NICE TO PUT SOMETHING THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE OR WE WON'T HAVE THE VOTES TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. DOES THAT HELP? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO [b. Discussion of the Proposed Parker Place II Development] OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THAT ONE, WE WILL MOVE TO OUR NEXT DISCUSSION TOPIC, WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED PARKER PLACE TWO DEVELOPMENT. AND DO WE HAVE GARY CANNON HERE OR. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT GARY, DID YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD? COME ON. FORWARD. WELL HE LEFT [00:35:02] WITH YOU. GOOD EVENING. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I LIKE STANDING HERE IN FRONT OF YOU. MY NAME IS GARY CANNON. AM I TOO LOUD? NO. YOU'RE GOOD. MY ADDRESS. MY HOME ADDRESS IS 13. PARDON? CITY. YOU LIVE IN. WHAT'S THAT? JUST THE CITY YOU LIVE IN. I LIVE IN WENDOVER, NEVADA. THERE YOU GO. ON THE EAST SIDE. I'M JUST KIDDING. MY NAME IS GARY CANNON. I LIVE AT 1397 WEST 13400 SOUTH RIVERTON, UTAH. I AM A 15 YEAR BUSINESS OWNER IN THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN. I OWN A SMALL REAL ESTATE OFFICE. MY GRANDPARENTS MOVED TO WEST JORDAN IN THE 30S, SO I HAVE ROOTS AND BLOOD IN THE SOIL. RESPECT THE CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR, CITY ADMINISTRATION. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND GIVE YOU A HISTORY ON WHY WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I BECOME FRIENDS WITH 3 OR 4 OF YOU ON THE COUNCIL THAT HAVE BEEN WITH ME THROUGH 3 OR 4 PROJECTS SINCE YOU'VE BEEN UP THERE, AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE REPRESENTED THE CITY WELL. THE LAST ONE THAT I BROUGHT THROUGH WAS BRINKERHOFF BLUFFS. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE FAMILIAR AND COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, PROBABLY THE CROWN JEWEL OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT I HAVE ASSISTED OR HAVE BEEN PARTNERSHIPS WITH IN DEVELOPMENTS, I FEEL LIKE THAT TURNED INTO IT WAS A IT WAS A ROUGH PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE HAD LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. I MADE THE JOKE WHEN WE DID THE SUBDIVISION THAT YOU COULD LIVE IN THE APARTMENTS, YOU COULD MOVE INTO THE TOWNHOMES, YOU COULD MOVE INTO. RETIREMENT IN THAT AREA AND THEN MOVE TO THE CEMETERY. AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE WITHIN A HALF MILE OF EACH OTHER TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THOSE THINGS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF FUNNY AT THE TIME. I'M GLAD A COUPLE OF YOU APPRECIATE THAT HUMOR. SHOULD I KEEP GOING OR DO YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR ME? DO WE HAVE ANY MAPS OR ANYTHING OF THE LAND? THERE WE GO. SO TELL US ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE COMING TO US TONIGHT AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO GET FROM US. WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. IT'LL TAKE ME MAYBE TWO MINUTES. TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY, THERE'S A SUBDIVISION CALLED SUNSET VILLAS. IT WAS ORIGINALLY I ENTITLED THE PROPERTY. SAGE HOMES CAME IN AND PURCHASED IT. AT THE TIME, SUNSET VILLAS LOOKED LIKE A GOOD NUMBER TO DO. AN EMPTY NESTER COMMUNITY WITH SINGLE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND. AND WE MOVED RIGHT FROM THAT ONE OVER TO PARKER PLACE. AND WITH THE SAME ZONING IN PLACE WITH EMPTY NESTER 55 OR OLDER. AND I AM THE FIRST ONE TO ADMIT I WAS NOT EXPECTING THE RESULTS FROM THE SALES. I WAS NOT PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN THE HOUSE SALES THAT WERE ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES, AND I BELIEVE THAT BOTH BUILDERS IN BOTH SUNSET VILLAS AND PARKER PLACE HAVE SINCE CAME IN AND HAD THE 55 OR OLDER RESTRICTION DROPPED TO INCREASE THE SALES BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY STALLED MISERABLY. AND WHAT I FOUND WAS THE EMPTY NESTER THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY WANTS TO BE IN A COMMUNITY, AND 14 AND 15 LOTS DOES NOT BRING THEM WHAT THEY'RE AFTER. IF THEY LIKE TO HAVE SECURITY, THEY LIKE TO HAVE A GATE. THEY LIKE TO HAVE A SENSE OF PRIDE, MAYBE A CLUBHOUSE. I DON'T WANT TO SAY POOL. I THINK I THINK POOL POOLS FOR EMPTY NESTER COMMUNITY ARE WAY UNDERUTILIZED FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. WE'VE TRIED MARKETING THIS PROPERTY. IT WAS A GREAT IDEA AT THE TIME FOR A COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M NOT SURE OF THE SPECIFICS. HAD IT ON THE MARKET AT A REASONABLE OR LESS THAN MARKET PRICE FOR OVER TWO YEARS. AND HAVE NOT HAD ANY PERSON THAT COULD STEP UP AND FIT INTO THE ZONING THAT WE PLACED ON IT AT THE TIME. LARRY, IF I'M WRONG, CHIME IN HERE ANY TIME. SO WE'RE COMING BACK THIS TIME AND WANTING TO DO FOR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. ALL FOUR LOTS AVERAGE CONSIDERABLY MORE, I THINK ROUGHLY 10% MORE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN ANYTHING IN PARKER PLACE OR SUNSET VILLAS. THEY ARE. SOME OF THE LOTS WILL ACCOMMODATE A THIRD CAR GARAGE. THEY'RE VERY DEEP. THE SUBDIVISION IS IMPROVED. ALL WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS STUB INTO THE LOTS. WE FEEL LIKE THIS [00:40:05] WOULD BE A IT WOULD WORK WELL. WE ALSO, WHEN WE DID DO THE IMPROVEMENTS, WE BROUGHT THE STREET STANDARDS AND UP TO. WIDE ENOUGH THAT IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF DRAKE LANE. AND I'M NOT TELLING SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY TOMORROW. IT MIGHT BE 100 OR 200 YEARS FROM NOW, BUT WHEN THAT PROBABLY 300 FROM WHAT HE THEY SAY PARDON, PROBABLY 300 YEARS FROM WHAT THEY SAY. OKAY. AND I REALLY I THANK YOU AND I DON'T I'M NOT TELLING THEM TO SELL I'VE NOT I GOT TO HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH RON BEFORE HE PASSED. MAY HE REST IN PEACE. BOTH BOTH GREAT PEOPLE. AND OH ANOTHER THING WE DID THIS THE STREET DIDN'T REQUIRE A NEW STORM DRAIN. THE ONE THAT WAS THERE WAS ADEQUATE. I WENT AHEAD AND DID IT. IT WAS IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL COST OF $40,000. THAT WAS A DIRECT IMPROVEMENT AND BENEFIT TO WEST JORDAN CITY. I THINK LARRY CAN BACK. MY MEMORY IS WRONG, LARRY. I'M I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT. BUT WHEN WE DID IT, I NEVER CAME BACK AND ASKED FOR REIMBURSEMENT ON THAT. I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, AND I WAS WILLING TO DO THAT. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT BENEFITED THE CITY AND THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM. THAT'S ABOUT IT. WELL, THAT'S THERE. ANY QUESTIONS? IF YOU HAVE ANY, OR I'D BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AS WELL. IT'S OPEN. SO, COUNCILMEMBER GREEN, YOU'RE UP. I'LL START. HI, CALVIN. FIRST OFF, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT BRINKERHOFF BLUFFS. YOU WERE A BIG PART OF THAT. THE IF SOME OF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BRINKERHOFF BLUFFS, THAT WAS ACTUALLY I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY TELL YOU IT'S THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SENIOR HOUSING OVERLAY PROJECT WE'VE EVER DONE IN THE CITY BECAUSE IT MIXED IN AND DID EVERYTHING. AND IT'S FUNNY, NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE COMPLAINED AT ALL. AND IN FACT, MOST OF THEM, MOST OF THE MOST OF THE PEOPLE GO GO ACROSS THE STREET NOW. SO ANYWAY, IT WAS A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD. MY QUESTION WAS ON THESE FOUR LOTS. I CAN'T SEE THE NUMBERS. HOW HOW BIG ARE THESE? I KNOW YOU WANT TO ZONE TO R1 FIVE, BUT HOW BIG ARE THESE LOTS? ARE THEY? THEY'RE ALL OVER FIVE. THEY'RE ALL OVER 5000FT■!S. YEAH I THINA COUPLE OF THEM ARE SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THAT, BUT THEY OKAY. THEY'RE ABOUT 10% HIGHER THAN ANYTHING IN THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO THEY'RE SOME OF THESE LOTS ARE BIGGER THAN EVEN A COUPLE OF THOSE IN BRINKERHOFF BLUFFS, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE ARE ONLY, WHAT, 4500 I BELIEVE I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT. YEAH. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. SO OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I ALSO FORGOT TO TELL YOU I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMITTEE. I DON'T THINK I TALKED ABOUT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN RIVERTON FOR SIX YEARS. SO I FEEL YOUR PAIN. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. YEAH. WHEN? WHEN WE RECENTLY LOOKED AT DRAKE LANE AND LOOKED AT THE PARKER PLACE, THERE WAS A ISSUE WITH PARKING ON DRAKE LANE. DO WE WAS IT DECIDED TO MAKE IT A NO PARKING ZONE AS I RECALL PORTION OF IT. YEAH. BUT IT WAS THIS SIDE. YEAH, I THINK IT'S RIGHT. I THINK IT'S WEST WOULD BE ISN'T IT. I DON'T REMEMBER. WELL, THERE'S A PORTION UP TO HERE AT THE BEGINNING FROM REDWOOD UP TO A CERTAIN PORTION THAT IS NO PARKING. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. I KNOW THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH PARKING WITH THE DRAKE'S GETTING TRUCKS IN AND OUT FOR THEIR FARM AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THEY DIDN'T WANT PARKING ON THE STREET. I THINK IF YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU AVOID STREET PARKING, ESPECIALLY ONCE SOMEBODY'S KID TURNED 16, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S ANOTHER CAR IN PLAY, OR TWO KIDS OR THREE KIDS, OR THEN THEY MOVE BACK HOME AFTER THEY'VE HAD KIDS AND THINGS GO CRAZY. NOT SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BUT THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FIRST IS, IS THAT ON THE PARKING, WHETHER STREET PARKING IS ALLOWED HERE AND IF IT'S NOT, I DON'T SEE HOW THIS WORKS. BECAUSE WE MADE THE CONCESSION TO NOT ALLOW PARKING ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET. SO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET COULD HAVE THEIR HOMES. ACTUALLY, I SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE REVERSED AND THAT PARKING IS ALLOWED ON THE SOUTH SIDE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT OUR DECEMBER 20TH, 2023, AND ACTUALLY WHEN YOU CAME IN, MR. CANNON, PART OF THE PARKING THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO PROVIDE WHEN WE DID THIS, AND THEN WHEN LIBERTY CAME IN TO ASK TO GET THE OVER 55 OVER WAS 13 PARKING SPOTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DRAKE LANE. SO IF WE NOW ALLOW YOU TO PUT IN FOUR MORE HOMES, WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE 13? AND THAT WAS A BIG CONSIDERATION WHEN WE TOOK THE OVER 55 OFF, WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE THE 13 THERE [00:45:03] AND THEN SEVEN THAT THEY PUT IN LOT 12. SO IF WE PUT IN FOUR HOMES, PROBABLY STAFF, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE FOUR DRIVEWAYS, WHICH WOULD TAKE AWAY 4 OR 6 PARKING SPOTS ON THAT STREET. AM I, AM I RIGHT? THERE'S DEFINITELY A QUESTION THERE. RIGHT? AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS THE PARKING CONCESSIONS THAT WERE MADE SO THAT WE COULD ALLOW LIBERTY TO PROCEED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. WELL, AND IT WASN'T EVEN JUST TO ALLOW LIBERTY, IT WAS TO ALLOW MR. CANNON TO BUILD. YEAH. TO BEGIN WITH, THE 55 AND THEN LIBERTY CAME IN. THE FOUR EXTRA HOMES AFFECT AFFECT THAT. YEAH. AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE THAT I WANT ALL OF US TO KEEP IN MIND IS, QUITE FRANKLY, MAJESTIC. SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSED YEARS AGO WITH WEST JORDAN. THAT'S JUST A FACT. SO INSTEAD THEY TURNED IT INTO A CHARTER SCHOOL. BUT WE NOW HAVE A SCHOLARSHIP THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE AFTER THIS YEAR. THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. BUT MY THE END POINT IS, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT MAJESTIC WILL BE THERE THAT LONG. SO IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT MR. CANNON DIDN'T DO SOMETHING WITH THIS LAND AT THE SAME TIME AND GET IT ENTITLED, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SAYING, OH YEAH, LET'S ADD A FEW MORE HOUSES THERE. IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, AND IT DOES ACCOMPLISH THE END GOAL OF WHAT WHAT WE NEED. BUT THE CONCERN IS PARKING AND IT AT THE SIZE OF THE HOME LOTS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. THAT'S ANOTHER FOUR HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO WANT TO PARK ON THE STREET, AS WELL AS THEIR TWO SPOTS ON THEIR DRIVEWAY, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST HOW WE WORK. SO I HAVE SOME REAL, REAL DEEP CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING THAT WE'RE THAT YOU'RE COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR SOMETHING. BUT I WILL TELL YOU ABOUT YOUR OTHER PROPOSAL, ABOUT YOUR OTHER DEVELOPMENT. WHAT'S IT CALLED? BRINKERHOFF. BRINKERHOFF BLUFFS. MY NEPHEW LIVES THERE. HE LOVES IT. WELL THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. DO DO WE REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THE LIBERTY HOMES AND WE DID THE PARKING? WHAT WHAT DID WE ACTUALLY RESTRICT ON THE PARKING IT WHEN WE DID THE LIBERTY HOMES? I'M I'M LOOKING RIGHT NOW. IT WAS DONE IN THE DECEMBER 20TH, 2023 CITY COUNCIL MEETING OVER IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM AT THE JUSTICE CENTER. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE MINUTES RIGHT NOW. WHAT I RECALL IS THERE WAS SOME CONCERN LIBERTY HOMES HAD CHANGED. ONE OF THE LOTS ON THE CORNER INTERIOR TO PROVIDE SEVEN PARKING SPACES, SEVEN, 6 OR 7 PARKING SPACES. IT HAD A TOT LOT AND A TOT LOT. AND THEN THE FIVE. THERE WERE FIVE HOMES THAT WERE GIVEN A THREE CAR GARAGE SO THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL PARKING. WE DID A NO PARKING ZONE ON PART OF THE STREET. THERE WAS THERE WAS NO PARKING ON DRAKE LANE FROM REDWOOD ROAD TO THE FIRST DRIVEWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, SO THAT THE TRUCKS COULD GET INTO DRAKE LANE. AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ALSO THERE'S ALSO SOME AT TOWARDS THE FARM AS WELL. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD IS THE DRAKE'S HAD REQUESTED THE COUNCIL TO ADD NO PARKING TOWARDS THEIR ENTRANCE SO THAT THERE AGAIN, THEIR TRUCKS COULD GET INTO THEIR WORKING FARM. AND THEN THERE WAS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL PARKING, IF I RECALL, FOR ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THERE WERE SOME OVERFLOW PARKING THERE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, 6 OR 7 ON THE ONE LOT THAT LIBERTY TOOK OUT? SEVEN, SEVEN. SORRY. SEVEN. SO THAT'S WHAT I RECALL. I'M LOOKING IN THE MINUTES RIGHT NOW. AND IF YOU GIVE ME A MINUTE I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MORE IN DEPTH, GIVE YOU THE MINUTES THAT I. THAT THE HAVING NO PARKING IN FRONT OF THE DETENTION POND ISN'T ANY BIG DEAL, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME NO PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD NOW, ISN'T THERE? ON THE NORTH SIDE FROM ALONG AT LEAST THIS HOUSE, AT LEAST THE ONE HOUSE THAT THE HOUSE THAT FACES REDWOOD. AND EVEN IF THE NO PARKING ZONE GOES BACK, THAT THAT ONLY TAKES UP LIKE ONE LOT FOR THE HOUSE THERE. I, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS ON THAT ORDINANCE, BUT I DON'T THINK THESE FOUR HOUSES ARE GOING TO AFFECT THE PARKING THAT MUCH. I THINK THE FIRST ONE WILL. SO THE FIRST HOUSE OVERLAPS THAT FIRST NEW HOUSE. SO IF YOU GO TO THE LAYOUT, YOU CAN SEE THAT FIRST HOUSE THAT COMES IN IS NOT EAST OR WEST, I'M SORRY. ON THE EAST, ABOUT THE FIRST EASTERN HOUSE, IT [00:50:07] MIGHT OVERLAP ON PART OF THE NO PARKING PARKING AREA, BUT THE FIRST HOUSE MAY BE THE ONLY. YEAH. YES, THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY THE OVERLAP OF THE NO PARKING ZONE IS PROBABLY ABOUT THAT CIRCLE WOULD BE MY GUESS. THE OTHER THREE HOUSES WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED. I'M NOT SURE THAT, AS I HEAR HERE WOULD BE HERE WOULD BE MY PHILOSOPHY. IF THEY CAN BUILD THE FOUR HOUSES AND WORK AROUND THE CURRENT NO PARKING. NOT MUCH THAT LET THEM DO IT. IT'S NOT THE IT'S THE. IF THE NO PARKING ZONES ARE ESTABLISHED AND THESE THREE OF THE FOUR HOUSES ARE WITHIN THE NO PARKING OR THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE NO PARKING ZONE. BUT THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING IS AT. NO, THAT'S. NO THAT THAT. OKAY. SO THAT BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE THE PARKING AWAY. IT DOES. THE DRIVEWAYS TAKE AWAY THE PARKING. YEP. BUT IT ADDS PARKING FOR THEM TO PARK ON THE DRIVEWAY. RIGHT. BUT THE WHOLE DEAL WAS WE GAVE WE GAVE LIBERTY THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE SENIOR HOUSING AWAY TO HAVE PARKING. WE TOLD MR. CANNON WHEN HE FIRST CAME IN THEY HAD TO HAVE PARKING AND THAT WAS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE PARKING AWAY. THAT'S MY CONCERN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NOW HAVE NOT AS MANY PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. I'M GOING TO DISAGREE. WE ADDED THE NO PARKING ZONE TO HELP THE DRAKE'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND THAT WAS WHAT. AND THAT WAS THE CONTINGENCY FOR TAKING OFF THE, THE SENIOR HOUSING WAS ADDING THE NO PARKING SO THAT DRAKE'S WERE OKAY. IF THIS CAN BE DONE WITHOUT AFFECTING THE NO PARKING THAT WE IMPOSED, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE. WELL, THAT'S THE THING THOUGH. THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY THE THING IS BECAUSE THE NO PARKING IS WHERE IT IS. THIS IS WHERE THE PARKING IS, IS IN FRONT OF THESE FOUR HOUSES. AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT DRIVEWAYS IN ON THE FRONT OF THESE FOUR HOUSES THAT YOU CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF ON THE STREET. MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A ROAD TRIP OVER. PARKING MAY BE LEGAL ON THE STREET, BUT NOW YOU PUT A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY IN THERE. NOW YOU DON'T HAVE 20FT OF STREET PARKING BECAUSE YOU PUT FOUR 20 FOOT DRIVEWAYS. SO YOU'RE TAKING AWAY 80FT OF ON STREET PARKING WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY LEGAL IS NOT GOING TO BE LEGAL ANYMORE. AND WE PUT WE ALLOWED PARKING ON SPECIFICALLY IN FRONT OF THIS LITTLE CURVY STRETCH BECAUSE WE WERE ELIMINATING IT ON THE OTHER PARTS BECAUSE OF THE CONCESSIONS WE MADE TO LIBERTY AND TO THE DRAKE'S AND TO WHOEVER ELSE, WE SAID, OKAY, THE EXISTING HOMES NEED THIS 80FT TO PARK IN FRONT OF, AND NOW WE'RE SAYING, OH, WE CAN TAKE AWAY THAT 80FT. AND BY THE WAY, ADD FOUR MORE HOUSES TO IT. AND WE DON'T NEED THAT PARKING ANYMORE. HOW DO WE ADD HOUSES AND TAKE AWAY PARKING IS WHAT WE'RE IS WHAT THE END RESULT IS HERE. NOW, AS A OVERRIDING THOUGHT, I'M ALL FOR PAVING A PARKING LOT AND PUTTING UP A PARADISE. THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING I LIKE TO DO, RIGHT? I WAS JUST TALKING TO THOSE OTHER GUYS, YOU KNOW, A MINUTE AGO THAT I DON'T LIKE GREAT BIG PARKING AREAS. I'D RATHER HAVE NICE MANICURED LAWNS IN FRONT OF A HOUSE AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF THING. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK IN NO PARKING ZONES BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY CHOICE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING AWAY 80FT OF LEGAL PARKING. THAT'S THAT'S THE ISSUE I HAVE NOW. I THINK IF YOU PUT IN THREE HOUSES AND THE FOURTH LOT IS A DRIVEWAY WITH SOME PARKING STALLS, YOU MIGHT HAVE A GOOD BALANCE THERE. BUT YOU'RE TAKING WE HAD A BALANCE. THEN THE THEN, YOU KNOW, LIBERTY CAME IN AND ASKED FOR TIPPING THE BALANCE. SO WE MOVED SOME THINGS AROUND. SO WE STILL HAVE A BALANCE. AND NOW YOU'RE TAKING AWAY LIKE HALF OF ONE SIDE OF THOSE SCALES AND IT'S NOT BALANCED ANYMORE. AND REMEMBER THAT THE DRIVEWAYS IN THE EXISTING HOMES AREN'T MANY OF THEM ARE NOT ARE 22FT. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT SHORT DRIVEWAYS. YEAH. YEAH. THEY HAVE THE PARKING GARAGES WHICH I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO, AS LONG AS THEY PARK IN GARAGES. YEAH. AND AS LONG AS THEY ONLY HAVE TWO CARS AREN'T GOING TO HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO. RIGHT. YEAH. AND THE THING THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME WITH THIS IS ANYWHERE THAT IT COULD SPILL OVER TO, LIKE, PEOPLE ALWAYS BRING UP THE ONE OUT BY MY HOUSE ON 1700 SOUTH WITH A GREG HUGHES HOUSES THAT HAVE NO DRIVEWAYS, AND THEY ALL PARK ON 7800 SOUTH AND WALK ACROSS THE STREET FIVE LANE ROAD TO GET INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THEY HAVE TO PARK. THERE IS NOWHERE FOR THIS TO SPILL OUT TO. THIS SPILLS OUT ONTO REDWOOD. THERE'S NOT EVEN A SHOULDER ON REDWOOD TO PARK ON. THIS SPILLS OUT ONTO THE DRAKE FARM AND THERE'S JUST NOWHERE TO GO. YEAH. THERE'S [00:55:01] JUST. YEAH. THE SCHOOL. I MEAN, THAT'S QUITE THAT'S QUITE A WALK. BUT I GUESS IF THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO PARK, THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO. SO BRAINSTORMING QUESTION CAN A DETENTION BASIN BE PUT UNDERGROUND? YES. SO THERE'S YOUR PARKING LOT. PARKING OVER THE TOP OF THE DETENTION BASIN. MR. ANDERSON, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I JUST I JUST TO HELP PROVIDE A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. I WENT BACK IN THE PACKET AND I GRABBED. THIS IS THE LIBERTY HOMES PACKAGE OR PACKET FROM DECEMBER 20TH. AND WHAT I CAN TELL THUS FAR IS THIS ONE HAS A THREE CAR GARAGE. THIS ONE HAS A THREE CAR GARAGE. THAT ONE HAS A THREE CAR GARAGE, AND THIS ONE HAS A THREE CAR GARAGE. AND THIS ONE HAS A THREE CAR GARAGE. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE FOUNDATIONS IN. WHEN THEY CAME TO YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT REMOVING THE SENIOR HOUSING OVERLAY, THE OTHERS THEY HAD BUILT AND THEY HAD TWO FOUNDATIONS, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE'S TWO FOUNDATIONS THAT WERE POURED, BUT THEY HADN'T BUILT THE HOMES YET. AND THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP AT DIFFERENT COLOR HERE, BEAR WITH ME. THIS LOT WENT AWAY TO BECOME A SEVEN OFF STREET PARKING, WHICH IS SHOWN THERE. AND THE RED NO PARKING IS KIND OF RIGHT THERE AND RIGHT HERE AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT STARTED HERE. I WANT TO SAY IT WAS KIND OF IN HERE TO GO TO DRAKE LANE. THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT I READ OF WHAT WAS AGREED TO REMOVE THE SENIOR HOUSING OVERLAY OFF OF LIBERTY HOMES SO THAT THEY COULD SELL IT TO FAMILIES, NOT JUST THOSE THAT ARE 55 AND OVER. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS TO DO THE THREE CAR GARAGE THAT LIBERTY HAD ASKED, OR THEY WERE WILLING TO DO A THREE CAR GARAGE TO HELP PROVIDE PARKING. BUT IT'S ONLY THOSE FIVE LOTS. THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD WAS ON SOME OF THESE LOTS, WHICH ONLY HAVE TEN FOOT SETBACKS. IS WHERE WOULD THEY PARK THEIR CARS? THESE HOMES HAVE THIS SPACE. THESE EXISTING HOMES HAVE TEN FOOT DRIVEWAYS. WHERE WOULD THEY PARK? THIS IS A THIS IS A TWO CAR. THAT'S A TWO CAR. AND SO THAT WAS THE QUESTION. THIS THIS WILL GIVE YOU A MORE FULL PICTURE. RIGHT. BUT I WENT BACK AND I, I JUST GRABBED THAT WHILE YOU GUYS WERE HAVING YOUR DISCUSSION. SO I THOUGHT I WOULD BRING THAT TO YOU. JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY. I APPRECIATE THAT THE BLUE YOUR BLUE LINES COULD CONTINUE ON THIS. OH, YOU JUST CLEARED THEM ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DRAKE LANE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PARKING OR THEY'RE GOING TO BE PARKING. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY 80FT OF THAT FOR DRIVEWAYS. YEAH. YOU TAKE AWAY 80FT OF THAT FOR DRIVEWAYS. YOU'RE TAKING AWAY A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING AND YOU'RE ADDING MORE NEED FOR THAT PARKING. THAT WAS THE THAT WAS I RECALL IT IT WASN'T AN AGREEMENT, BUT THE UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE PARKING FOR THE HOMES THAT ALREADY WERE BUILT THAT HAD TWO CAR GARAGES, TEN FOOT DRIVEWAY SETBACKS. AND I DON'T MIND, I DON'T MIND ON STREET PARKING. I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD THING. I WHEN IT SNOWS AND THERE'S SNOW PLOWS ISSUES, THAT'S THE THING. BUT OTHERWISE IT'S A TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE. AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING, BUT. YOU NEED YOU NEED SOMEWHERE FOR THOSE GUYS TO GO. THAT'S WHY I THINK YOUR SOLUTION IS EITHER WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHELDON SAID PAVED THE DRAINAGE BASIN AND FIGURED OUT A WAY TO PARK THERE, OR JUST ALLOW BOAT PARKING. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. AND THE LAST THING, IF I MAY, CHAIR AND COUNCIL IS THE DRAKE'S DID MENTION IN THE MEETING THAT A LOT OF THEIR DELIVERIES ARE WITH 18 WHEELERS. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, 40 50 FOOT TRAILER WITH HAY AND A TRACTOR. THEY'RE ONLY EIGHT FEET WIDE. THE LENGTH DOESN'T REALLY. I MEAN, IT MATTERS WHEN YOU'RE TURNING THE CORNER, BUT. SO I'M THINKING YOU EITHER PUT PARKING ON THAT TO MAKE THIS WORK, EITHER PUT PARKING IN WHERE THE DRAINAGE BASIN IS, AND YOU'D FIGURE OUT A WAY TO EITHER BURY THE DRAINAGE BASIN, PARK ON TOP, OR PARK IN THE WATER WHEN IT RAINS. LIKE I SAID, BOAT PARKING ONLY. OR YOU TAKE ONE OF THESE FOUR LOTS AND YOU BUILD THREE HOUSES AND YOU HAVE 5 OR 6 PARKING SPOTS IN ONE OF THESE LOTS, LIKE THE LIBERTY HOMES DID ON THE OTHER ONE. IT'S THE SAME, SAME WHERE YOU'RE IN THE SAME BUCKET, YOU'RE IN THE SAME THE SAME BOAT. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM THAT THEY HAD. SO WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR KIND OF THE SAME SOLUTION THAT THEY GOT. THEY TOOK OUT A LOT AND THEY PROVIDED PARKING SPACES. I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT TO DO. SO MY, MY $0.02 AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT I'M NOW POOR. YOU HAVE THREE. I'M GOING TO ADD MORE. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OUT A [01:00:03] LOAN OKAY. BOB DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING. I'M IN THE SAME. AND I HATE TO USE THE WORD BOAT AGAIN, BUT IT REALLY IS A THING WHERE WE ARE TAKING AWAY PARKING BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAYS DO THAT, AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE A MESS. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU'RE GOING TO START A FEUD BETWEEN THE NORTH AND SOUTH RIGHT THERE WITH THE WITH WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T HAVE WOULD HAVE WORKED OUT BETTER IF WE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND HAD LIBERTY USE ONE OF THOSE OTHER LOTS, THAT ONE ON THE CORNER OF THE ROAD THAT GOES IN AND MAKE THAT THEIR PARKING, BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND HAD PROVIDED PARKING FOR THE HOUSES THAT ACTUALLY NEEDED IT. BUT THAT WASN'T THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED OR DONE ALREADY. HAD ALREADY HAD FOUNDATIONS IN. YEAH, I KNOW THEY ALREADY HAD. I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PERFECT SOLUTION. BUT THEY THEY HAD ALREADY DUG THAT ONE UP. SO I LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST IN THAT, THAT IT DOESN'T QUITE WORK WITH THE FORD JUST BECAUSE OF, OF THE PARKING THAT WILL BE NON-EXISTENT. CORBIN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. DO WE PLOW DRAKE LANE FOR SNOW? IS THAT A CITY STREET? YES, IT'S A PUBLIC STREET. YES, I KNOW THAT THE LIBERTY HOMES ARE AN HOA. WE DON'T, BUT IT IS A PUBLIC ROAD. THERE WAS A PUBLICLY DEDICATED ROAD, SO WE PLOW TO THE POINT WHERE IT BECOMES PRIVATE. RIGHT. WE DON'T PLOW INTO THE DRAKE'S FARM, BUT UP TO IT. YEAH. CORRECT. ONE THING THAT I WAS THINKING OF AS WE'RE DOING THIS IS THE LIBERTY HOMES ARE ALL AN HOA, BUT AS FAR AS I'M CAN TELL, THESE FOUR WOULD NOT BE PART OF THAT HOA. CORRECT? I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR. OKAY. I'M GREAT FRIENDS WITH LIBERTY HOMES AND WE HAVE A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP. HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HOA PAYS FOR, BUT YEAH. THE TOT LOT. THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. YEAH. CAN I SAY ONE THING? SO ONE THING. THAT'S IT. SO AFRAID FOR LOT NUMBER ONE FIVE IS ON THE MINIMUM. FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR THE HOME IS 25FT. SO YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A 25 FOOT BY 18 FOOT DRIVEWAY PLUS TWO CAR GARAGES. SO THAT STILL DOESN'T SOLVE THE ISSUE. SOMEBODY HAS EIGHT VEHICLES, BUT IT IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET WITH A TEN FOOT DRIVEWAY. SO THE POINT WITH THAT THOUGH IS WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET. WE'VE KIND OF TOLD THEM THEY COULD HAVE THAT SPACE TO PARK AND WE ARE TAKING AWAY THAT SPACE. SO BUT ANYBODY CAN PARK THERE. IT'S A PUBLIC STREET. THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PARK THERE OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS. RIGHT. I DON'T I DON'T EVER RECALL PARKER PLACE HAVING AN APPROVAL FOR THEIR MINIMUM PARKING TO BE ON STREET PARKING. IT NEVER WAS PART OF THEIR APPROVAL. SO THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO IT AT ALL. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT WHEN WE APPROVED THE PARKER PLACE AND REMOVED THE SENIOR HOUSING OVERLAY, WE DID NOT APPROVE MINIMUM PARKING ON THE STREET FOR LIBERTY HOMES. WHAT WE DID WAS WE MADE A CONCESSION AND MADE NO PARKING AREAS SO THAT WE COULD KEEP DRAKE LANE OPEN FOR TRUCKS. AND SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE NITPICKY DETAILS, THE ON STREET PARKING IS THE ON STREET PARKING AND THE NO PARKING WAS THERE. WE AFFIRMATIVELY PUT NO PARKING ZONES ON THERE TO HELP THE DRAKES WITH THEIR TRUCKS. WE NEVER ESTABLISHED THAT THIS AREA HERE WAS GOING TO BE MINIMUM PARKING FOR PARKER PLACE. I AGREE WITH MR. GARDNER. WE NEVER AGREED THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE MINIMUM PARKER PARKING OF PARKER PLACE. THIS IS JUST A PUBLIC STREET. WE'RE ADDING FOUR HOUSES AND TO START SAYING, WELL, WE ALLOCATED PARKING ON A PUBLIC STREET HERE AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE HOUSES BECAUSE THE PUBLIC STREET THERE IT IT DOESN'T QUITE IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE CITY. WE NEVER WE NEVER WHEN WE ADD OTHER WHEN WE ADD OTHER HOUSES ON INFILL ZONES, WE DON'T CONSIDER. OH WE ALLOCATED PARKING TO THAT. NOW LET'S ALLOCATE PARKING TO THIS. AND WE THAT WE USE PUBLIC STREETS IS ALLOCATED PARKING. WE DON'T DO THAT. AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE MADE THIS NO PARKING. AND IT WAS THAT WAS THE ONLY PART OF WE PASSED WAS NO PARKING TO AFFECT THE DRAKE'S THE REST OF IT WE LEFT AS A PUBLIC STREET. THE PUBLIC STREET CAN BE USED AS [01:05:05] A PUBLIC STREET. AND IF WE ARE SAYING, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW A COUPLE OF HOUSES HERE ON THERE BECAUSE OF A PUBLIC STREET, THEN WE'RE ALMOST DENYING ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, TO THE UNDER REDWOOD ROAD. AND SO I THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE WALKING DOWN A SLIPPERY SLOPE. AND I THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO SAY WHAT WE DID WAS WE PASSED A NO PARKING ZONE, AND THAT'S ALL WE DID. AND THE DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING AND PARKER PLACE HAVING OTHER PARKING SPOTS, THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE APPROVED. THAT'S PART OF WHAT I THINK. BUT IT WASN'T WHAT WE APPROVED IN THE ORDINANCE. I'LL AGREE. IT'S NOT MAYBE WHAT WE APPROVED, BUT I DO REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT IT. AND I DO REMEMBER JUST LET ME FINISH FOR A SECOND. RIGHT. WE DID TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT, WELL, IF THEY PARKED THIS MANY INCHES AWAY FROM THE CURB, IS THAT ENOUGH FOR THE CARS TO GO THROUGH? SO WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT. THOSE PEOPLE WERE GOING TO BE PARKING THERE. AND SO NOW TO PRETEND THAT WE DIDN'T THAT'S THAT'S A LITTLE HURTFUL BECAUSE WHETHER WE APPROVED IT OR NOT, I KNOW WHAT WE APPROVED. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN, I KNOW WHAT WE APPROVED. BUT I ALSO REMEMBER WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO THEN RESCIND THAT AND SAY, WELL, BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT A PART OF THE ACTUAL LAW, IT WAS THE WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS, WHAT BROUGHT THAT LAW. AND IT'S WHY WE DECIDED THAT AREA WOULD NOT BE NO PARKING, BECAUSE I WAS ON THE SIDE OF MAKING THAT WHOLE SIDE, NO PARKING. THAT WAS MY DESIRE, BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM OF SOME KIND. AND SO I SAID, NO PROBLEM, NO PARKING. AND I KEPT STICKING TO THAT. BUT WE ENDED UP GOING WITH, WELL, WE'LL MAKE IT THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE FOR THESE PEOPLE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AND SO WHAT YOU WE CAN STICK BY WHAT THE LAW WAS AND GO MY HANDS ARE CLEAN BUT OUR HANDS ARE NOT CLEAN. TOTALLY. AND WHAT WE DISCUSSED WE DISCUSSED I AGREE, WE DISCUSSED IT, BUT WE DISCUSSED LOTS OF THINGS. BUT WHAT WE DON'T DO IS WE SAY, WELL, WE HAVE ALL OF THIS, THIS, THIS NEBULOUS DISCUSSION. WE CONSOLIDATED THAT DOWN. I WAS WITH YOU, BOB. I WAS WITH NO PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE ALTOGETHER. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT WE YES, WE DID HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. I'M NOT PRETENDING THAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS DIDN'T EXIST. WHAT I AM SUGGESTING IS WHAT WE DO IS WE SET WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE. AND YES, THAT'S AND YOU HAVE TO USE THE PLAIN LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE AND, AND THEN TO SAY, WELL, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE, BUT THIS ISN'T WHAT WE REALLY MEANT, AND THIS IS WHAT. AND THEN THEN WE'RE INTO THE DIVINATION OF THE COUNCIL INTENT ALL THE TIME OF, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, DID WE REALLY WANT THAT OR NOT? WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE VOTED ON WHAT THE ORDINANCE WAS, AND THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS. AND WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT NOW IF WE WANT TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THAT ORDINANCE, GREAT. WE CAN. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE ORDINANCE IS THAT THERE'S NO PARKING IN CERTAIN AREAS, AND THERE'S THERE IS PARKING IN OTHERS. AND I'M NOT WILLING TO SAY DON'T BUILD FOR HOUSES BECAUSE WE HAD A DISCUSSION THAT WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP SOLIDIFYING AN ORDINANCE ON WHAT WAS NO PARKING. AND IF THERE'S NO PARKING, THEN THERE'S IS PARKING SOMEPLACE ELSE AND IT'S PUBLIC PARKING. IT'S WE'LL SAY THAT WE ARE CHANGING THE ORDINANCE, THOUGH, IF WE BUILD THOSE HOUSES, THAT IS HOW WE'RE CHANGING THE ORDINANCE. EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE CHANGING THAT. THEN WE NEED TO GO BACK. WE NEED TO LOOK. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SAYING HE CAN'T BUILD HOMES HERE, THEN ARE YOU DENYING BECAUSE HE CAN'T. ARE YOU DENYING AND LET'S SAY HE WAS GOING TO BUILD A BUSINESS HERE. YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW HIM TO NOT BUILD THE BUSINESS HERE BECAUSE THE BUSINESS MIGHT PARK ON THE STREET TO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT HE HAS THE ABILITY TO ACCESS HIS PARK PROPERTY FROM A, FROM A PUBLIC STREET AND BY SAYING, OH, YOU CAN'T BUILD HERE BECAUSE THE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO TIE UP THE PUBLIC STREET. I THINK WE'RE WALKING DOWN A SLIPPERY SLOPE, AND I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. YOU KNOW, I'LL QUOTE IS IT NERO IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SAYS, ALMOST THOU PERSUADEST ME TO BE A CHRISTIAN. YOU ALMOST HAVE ME BETWEEN WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT LARRY SAID ABOUT THE ABOUT THE SETBACKS, I COULD ALMOST BE PERSUADED TO GO FOR THIS IF THERE WAS A COVENANT OF PARKING IN THE GARAGE LIKE WE'VE [01:10:06] DONE ON SOME OF THE OTHERS, ON THE OTHER HIGHWAYS AND THINGS, SO THAT THERE IS DRIVEWAY PARKING AND GARAGE PARKING, THEN I'D BE A LITTLE THEN THEN YOU'RE TAKING THAT. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT TAKES AWAY THE NEW IMPACT OR OR NECESSITY FOR EXTRA PARKING PLACES. AND IT, IT, IT PUTS IT ALL ON THE PROPERTY. AND SO YOU'RE GOOD. RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE NOT ADDING TO THE PROBLEM. YOU'RE STILL I STILL THINK YOU'RE TAKING AWAY FROM THE PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING AWAY 80FT OF PARKING. RIGHT. AND PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT, BECAUSE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS ISN'T GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO PARK A CAR IN FRONT OF IN SOME CASES. SO. GOOD. LET ME ADD TO THAT POINT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS LOT, THAT LOT TO THE VERY WEST IS MEETS THE 55 FOOT MINIMUM LOT WIDTH. OKAY. SO 55 MINUS SAY 20 BUT OURS IS 18. SO THAT'S SEVEN FEET RIGHT. BUT THE FARTHER EAST YOU GO, THAT LOT BY THE DETENTION POND IS 80FT WIDE. AND SO YOU MIGHT SAY YOU STILL HAVE 60FT OF FRONTAGE. AND SO I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD ALLOW ON STREET PARKING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AS CONSTRAINED AS WHAT, AS WHAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS. AND THAT'S THAT THAT PERSPECTIVE IS APPRECIATED BECAUSE WE CAN'T READ THE NUMBERS ON THIS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE I BUT I KNOW HOW BIG THOSE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DO KNOW THAT THE VERY SKINNIEST WESTERN LOT IS REQUIRED TO BE THE 55FT AND IS BECAUSE OF THE CURVE IN THE ROAD. THEY GET WIDER AS YOU GO TO THE EAST, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NEARLY AS CONSTRAINED AS WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD AT ALL, BECAUSE THOSE ARE VERY, VERY NARROW. LOTS ARE AT 40FT. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, AS MUCH AS WE'RE ARGUING AND GOING BACK AND FORTH, THAT EASTERN LOT FALLS INTO THE NO PARKING ZONE. YEAH, AND THAT'S FINE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT SHOULD GO AWAY, BUT I THINK WITH THE 25 FOOT DRIVEWAY, THE TWO CAR GARAGES, I THINK IT WILL BE OPEN ENOUGH FOR THE DRAKES TO GET THEIR THEIR PRODUCT DOWN THERE. AS LONG AS THE GUY IN THE SECOND HOUSE NEVER COMPLAINS THAT THE GUYS IN THE FIRST HOUSE GRANDPARENTS ARE PARKING IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE WHEN THEY COME OVER FOR THANKSGIVING DINNER. THE THING THAT I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT IS THE DETENTION POND IS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. GARY'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN HOA BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT DETENTION POND. AND SO THOSE FOUR HOUSES PROBABLY STUCK ALONG WITH LIBERTY, ARE GOING TO STUCK WITH THAT DETENTION POND. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT AGREEMENT WORKS, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT THEY'RE IF THEY GET DRAWN INTO THAT DETENTION POND, THEY COULD DO AN HOA AND A CNA THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO PARK ON IN THE DRIVEWAY AND IN THE GARAGE. YEAH, YEAH. MAY I SAY SOMETHING? SURE. AND I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK, I REALLY DO. AND IF YOU KNOW ME WELL ENOUGH, YOU KNOW THAT I LISTEN. AND I ALWAYS DO THE BEST FOR THE CITY. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I'LL DO THE BEST, WHAT'S BEST FOR THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL. AT LEAST I'LL LISTEN TO THEM AND DO THE HIGHEST AND BEST FOR EVERYBODY, I HOPE. BUT COMING FROM COMING FROM THE DRAKES. I. I'M USUALLY NOT THIS OUTSPOKEN, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. AT THE END OF THE DAY, MY BATTERIES ARE GONE AND MY VOICE JUST GOES TO CRAP. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING SO SOFTLY. USUALLY I'M QUITE LOUD, BUT COMING FROM THE EAST, I DON'T THINK. I DON'T THINK ANY, ESPECIALLY IN THIS ONE. THIS IS VERY UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF A DEVELOPER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS. SO I APPRECIATE ANY FEEDBACK YOU CAN GIVE ME, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY NEED TO. WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED, IT WAS APPROVED AS A CITY STREET AND IT WAS. AND THEY WERE GIVING US THE GUIDELINES TO PUT IT IN. I, I WORRY FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE COMING FROM THE EAST, THAT'S KIND OF A IT'S A SMALL BEND IN THE ROAD, BUT IT IS A BEND. AND I THINK IF SOMEBODY'S DRIVING ALONG THAT SOUTH CURB AND I DON'T, I THINK HAVING ANY CARS IN THAT STREET IS A BAD THING, ESPECIALLY THE DRAKES ARE TALKING ABOUT BIG TRUCKS. AND IF AND WHEN THE DRAKES OR EVEN THE PROPERTY WEST OF THE DRAKES THAT IS NOT OWNED BY THEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG IT IS, BUT IT'S SOME ACREAGE TWO, THREE, FOUR, MAYBE FIVE ACRES. I KNEW HIS NAME. TITO. TITO. TEJAS IS THAT GUY. NICE GUY. YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT. IT'S THAT SQUARE THERE IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THAT PICTURE. YOU KNOW ONE OF THOSE? OKAY. I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTH JORDAN CANAL. SO THE MAIN WATER LINE [01:15:01] THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR, AS WELL AS THE ONE I WOULD HAVE COMMENTED ON THE ISSUE BEFORE THIS, ON THAT STREET NEXT TO THE PROPOSED. IF I CAN HELP, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THAT, I'D BE HAPPY. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT TONIGHT UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO, BUT I WORRY. ANY CARS ON THAT ON THAT ROAD ARE NOT A GOOD THING. I THINK THAT'S A BLIND. IT'S NOT A BLIND CORNER, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY THERE. HAVEN'T ANY CARS PARKED ON. THERE ISN'T A GOOD THING. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK MOVING FORWARD FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM EVERYBODY IS WE'RE THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS PARKING, AT LEAST ON THOSE THREE WESTERNMOST PORTIONS WHERE PARKING IS ALLOWED. WE WANT TO TAKE THIS ANY FURTHER. I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSIONS BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND GET MORE INFORMATION OR WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION CAN WE GIVE TO THE APPLICANT? DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK, KEMP? I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK OF ADDITIONAL PARKING IDEAS. IS THE IDEA TO HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES ON ALL THESE? WE CAN FIT THREE ON THEM. I'LL PUT THREE OR ON THE FURTHEST WESTERLY LOTS. WE COULD EVEN INCREASE THE SETBACK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THEY'RE QUITE DEEP IF IT WAS ABOUT THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO BUY A HOUSE JUST BECAUSE I HAVE A LARGER DRIVEWAY. AND MY KIDS, MY TEENAGE KIDS WILL PARK THERE. I DON'T ON A ON A COUPLE OF THESE THAT ARE DEEP. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION. YOU COULD MAKE A TEN FOOT DRIVEWAY THAT RUNS DOWN THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND OPEN UP IN THE BACK AND PUT A DETACHED GARAGE BACK THERE. IT WOULD NARROW THE IT WOULD NARROW THE FOOTPRINT ON THE STREET AND STILL GIVE THEM BETTER PARKING. THAT'S CORRECT. SO EVEN AN ATTACHED GARAGE, WHAT'S THAT? OR EVEN AN ATTACHED GARAGE IN THE BACK? JUST A REAR ENTRY GARAGE. YEAH, WE'RE. WHAT IF WE. WE TOOK LIKE EIGHT FEET FROM THE CURB AND JUST TURNED IT INTO PARKING. WOULD THAT MIGHT DESTROY THE SETBACKS, BUT NOT ON THE FAR, FAR WEST LOTS. THERE'D STILL BE PLENTY OF SETBACK ON THE ON THE TWO TWO LOTS FOR FURTHER WEST. BUT THERE'S I THINK THERE'S WAYS TO CREATIVELY MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING. SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD STAND IN THE WAY OF THIS, OF THIS, AS LONG AS WE CAN ADDRESS THE PARKING ISSUES. AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO STOP SOMEONE FROM DOING SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY THEY THEY OWN. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ALL YOUR OPTIONS. YEAH, THAT WE FULLY ADDRESSED THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOSE THOSE. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU DON'T LIKE PARKING ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, I NEVER HAVE, AND I WILL SAY FOR ME, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE HERE. I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT LIBERTY, IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT, WE TALKED ABOUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTY. AND WE KIND OF SAID THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO WITH IT. SO, WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO LET PARKING GO ON THER. AND I WILL TAKE FULL ONUS OF THAT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE. AND I WAS VERY NEW AT THE TIME, SHOULD HAVE TAKEN MORE INTO ACCOUNT. WELL, WE HAVE TO BE THINKING FIVE, TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT OR ONE YEAR, EVEN ONE YEAR? I MEAN, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WHEN I FIRST TOOK THIS POSITION, I THOUGHT, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE TODAY DECISIONS. I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE TOMORROW DECISIONS. AND I DIDN'T IN THAT, IN THAT, I MEAN, I LIKE I SAID, I WAS TRYING TO SAY NO PARKING, BUT I THINK WHEN IT CAME IN, IT WAS WITH THE IDEA THAT, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO WITH THAT SO PEOPLE CAN PARK THERE BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC STREET AND THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PARK THERE. AND WE CLOSED OFF THE STUFF THAT WORKED FOR DRAKE. I'M HAPPY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS USED AND IS SOMETHING THAT AS AN OWNERSHIP, IT'S DONE WITH. WHAT WE WANT IS WE JUST LOOK AT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK. AND IF WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK, WELL THEN, THEN I'M ALL FOR IT. SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M IN THE LET'S SEE WHERE THIS GOES. I'M I'M OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD AND SEE WHAT THIS GOES WITH. THIS, I GUESS, IS MY LONG WAY TO SAY THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WE NO LONGER THINK THIS TODAY. DECISIONS. WHAT ARE GOING TO BE THE NEXT 510 YEAR DECISIONS OR ONE YEAR? I APPRECIATE YOU BEING [01:20:02] HERE AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO SERVING CITIES AND UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. AND OBVIOUSLY, THE TOPIC OF THE NIGHT HAS BEEN PARKING, AS STATED FROM THE VERY FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT ALL THE WAY UNTIL TONIGHT. AND I ECHO COUNCIL MEMBER BADER THAT I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I'M I HAVE A FEELING THAT THERE IS A SOLUTION TO THIS, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THAT AND SEEING THAT HAPPEN TO MAKE THESE HOUSES COME TO LIFE. THANK YOU. AND JUST ONE, ONE CHERRY ON TOP OF THIS SUNDAY IS, I THINK THE ZONING YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS ACCURATE. I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT ZONING. NOW, WORKING OUT THE DETAILS WITH THE SUBDIVISION AND THE PARKING AND THE SITE PLANS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT COMES NEXT. I THINK THE ZONING, THOUGH, I THINK YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE RIGHT ZONE, THIS, THAT, THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST ACCEPTABLE ZONE FOR THIS, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO IT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST I AGREE. BEFORE I PUT BEFORE WE PUT THE CART AHEAD OF THE HORSE, I THINK YOU GOT THE RIGHT HORSE, YOU KNOW. SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THE CART EVENTUALLY. BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT REQUEST FOR ZONING. SO I'M WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ZONING. AND I AM TOO. TAYLOR. SCOTT, WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED FROM US TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PHASE BACK? OKAY. THANK YOU. GARY, THIS IS VERY, VERY GOOD AND I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. IF YOU COULD JUST CREATE A PARKING STRUCTURE, THERE WOULD BE PERFECT. UNDERGROUND PENCIL IT IN. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. GLAD TO SEE YOU. ALRIGHT. WITH THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, SO I WILL * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.