May 13, 2025 Committee of the Whole

[CALL TO ORDER]

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ALL RIGHT. I MEAN. 20, 20, 25. ALL OF THESE NUMBERS FOR COUNCIL ARE TEN. HERE. A LITTLE LATER.

BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSION TOPICS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS OR. ANY. YEAH YEAH YEAH. WHAT ARE WHAT DO WE DO. WHY ARE WE DOING HERE. WELL WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE ARE GOING

[a. Discussion of the Fiscal Year 2026 Tentative Budget]

OKAY. SO WHEN I MET WITH YOU LAST WEEK, I JUST JUST HIGH LEVEL. LOWER LEVEL. I TRIED TO GO A BIT MORE IN DEPTH. SO I MENTIONED. A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC THINGS. NOW THIS IS A PICTURE.

PLEASE. GOOD JOB. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT NEXT SLIDE OKAY. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PUT A NUMBERS ON THIS. SO THE BUDGET I PRESENTED TO YOU. SHOWS THAT THE PROPERTY TAX HIKES HOW. AND I.

GOT OUT THERE BECAUSE BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING ON A GEO BOND WHICH MEANS MEANS THAT THAT COVERED ANY MORE AND THAT THAT WAS. SO THAT'S GOING TO RESULT IN A 4% TAX DECREASE. SO WITH THIS 2% INCREASE, THAT 4% DECREASE IS THE RESIDENTS WILL SEE A 2% TAX INCREASE WITH THE BUDGET HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO, YOU KNOW OR DO YOU KNOW OF THE 4%. IS THEIR AVERAGE NUMBER HOW MUCH THAT WAS. THAT WAS 200,000. YEAH. IT'S PROBABLY THE BALLPARK 400,000, 800,000. IT'S ABOUT IT'S ABOUT 200 FOR 1%. YES. OKAY. YES. THAT'S RIGHT. NO, IT'S 400 FOR 1%. WELL, THAT WOULD BE I'M SORRY. 400 IS THE 2%. YOU'RE RIGHT. RIGHT. 200,000 FOR 1% IS 1.175. NOT TOO LONG.

YES. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THIS WAY, THAT BUDGET REPRESENTED, MOST RESIDENTS WILL SEE INCREASES. A SAVINGS OF 2%. AND ON THE AVERAGE, THAT'S ABOUT ABOUT $8 PER RESIDENT OF THE DEBT DECREASE. THE BOND PAYMENT WAS $15 ON AN AVERAGE RESIDENTS PROPERTY TAX. SO ARE YOU SAYING THE 2% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE WOULD ONLY BE $8 INCREASE? YES. OKAY, OKAY. 15%. NO, I'M SAYING THE 2% INCREASE WOULD BE $8, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO THIS INCREASE IS TO HELP COVER SOME EMPLOYEES THAT I TALKED TO. I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THIS. SO THE 4% THAT THAT GOES OFF, THAT'S THAT'S JUST A WASH THROUGH. WE DIDN'T USE THAT IN OUR BUDGET. OKAY.

PLEASE. I GUESS I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE, THIS IS JUST JUST ME DOING MY MATH, WHICH IS THAT WE'RE GOOD, OBVIOUSLY IS IF WE DO JUST A 2%, THAT'S ABOUT 400,000. YES, YES. SO. SO IF WE STAYED AT THE TOTAL 4%, WE COULD LOOK AT ANOTHER 400,000 IF WE WANTED TO ON ACCOUNT. PERFECT.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO WHAT I DID INCLUDE IN THIS SPREADSHEET I TALKED ABOUT. LAST TIME IS ABOUT THEIR, THEIR. THEIR IN THEIR. OF WHAT I ALREADY WE ALREADY INCLUDED. THERE YOU GO. THIS IS

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WILL BE A COST. IT IS NOT A FIREFIGHTER IS HARSHLY OR THAT FIREFIGHTERS USE THE SAVINGS FROM OVERTIME TO PAY FOR PART OF THAT. ALL OF THAT. SO I MEAN AT. AND THE WATER CONSERVATION MANAGER THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ADDITIONAL RESOURCE FOR THAT THAT THAT'S. YEAH THAT'S TRUE.

THAT'S HOW THE WATER. SO. WHY DON'T WE NOW. A LITTLE BIT OF CHICKEN AND EGG. RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET FOR IT AND APPLY FOR THE GRANT. I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THE POSITION OR HAVE A POSITION BUDGET FOR THIS GRANT. YOU HAVE TO. WILL WE LIST IT AND THE GRANT WILL THE WILL THE JOB BE. RIGHT? BUT WILL THE JOB OFFER GRANT? SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT THEY DON'T THEY DON'T CHARGE. YEAH. WE DON'T FILL THE POSITION. IF WE DON'T GET GRANT. GRANT CAN WE NEED TO EXPLORE THAT WITH THAT WITH. FRANKLY WE WANT IT TO BE SUBSIDIZED BY GEORGETOWN. WE WANT THAT GRANT THAT FTE TO BE OFFSET BY THAT. RIGHT. BUT THE QUESTION WOULD COME THEN DO WE THAT POSITION IN THE CITY THAT WE DON'T GET GRANT DISCUSSION WE HAVE TO HAVE? AND NOT ONLY DOES IT DO WATER CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT, IT ALSO DOES STORMWATER. YEAH. WE'LL DO WE HAVE SOME FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS WITH STORMWATER THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS POSITION TO FILL.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF SCRAMBLING. WHOEVER CAN DO IT DOES IT. SO THERE'S A LITTLE MORE TO IT. BUT WE WANT THE GRANT TO HELP. COVER TWO, 222 OPPORTUNITIES ONE. OKAY.

CUSTODIAL STAFF RIGHT NOW WE CONTRACT. STAFF THAT AND COREY SAID HE COULD TAKE THE MONEY WE USE FOR THAT THAT AND DO IT IN-HOUSE BY HIRING TWO FULL TIME PART TIME EMPLOYEES AND HAVE A GREAT GREAT. THE BUDGET DOESN'T SHOW THAT THAT I SHOULD HAVE POINTED OUT SOME NUMBERS. IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT I CAN SHOW YOU. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THAT SOME MORE. AND THAT THAT THAT'S A BIG, BIG ASK ON HIS PART. IT'S BEEN WANTING TO DO THAT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT. AND THEN I JUST LIKE WE DO. SO YOU EUTHANASIA TO HELP GET THE DETAILS INTO THAT THAT THAT IS HOW THAT GOT HOPE. IT'S THE SAME COST ISSUE RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT. IT WAS ONE ONE WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET THIS MORNING. MORNING I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE. ANY OFFSETS AT FULL COST. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $400,000 HERE. THERE'S NO OFFSETS THERE. $100,000. THERE WAS A CONTRACT THAT WAS UNDER OPERATIONS FOR 300. YEAH, BUT IF WE'RE GOING 340 AND NOW WE'RE GOING 400, WE'RE NOT SAVING ANY MONEY AT 400. AND INCLUDES THE INCREASES TO THE FACILITIES STAFF THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, LIKE SO 50 OF IT WAS TO THE STAFF THAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE.

AND THEN THE OTHER 340 IS TO ADD THE STAFF, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE CONTRACT. THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY JUST ABOUT SAVING MONEY, IT WAS ABOUT IN-HOUSE WORK, BETTER SERVICES, RAISING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THE SAME TIME. AND THAT PERSON WOULD ALSO DO THINGS LIKE SET THEM UP FOR SPECIFIC MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THERE A MAINTENANCE BUILT INTO THAT AS WELL? SO MAINTENANCE I HEARD THAT IS PART OF PART OF THIS. YES, THIS IS SET UP. AND THERE IS THAT. HOW MANY BUILDINGS IS THAT FOR ALL OF THE THEY INCLUDE THE. AND THEN. WHAT I TALKED

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ANOTHER IS THE POLICE OFFICER. I PUT A LINE FOR ONE POLICE OFFICER OR TWO POLICE OFFICERS.

SO WE DID ONE NEW POLICE OFFICER. THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD COST ME TO DOUBLE THAT. OF COURSE, NOW WE DO HAVE A GRANT THAT HELPS THE INITIAL COST OF THAT, WHICH HELPS PAY FOR THE SETUP AND OFFICERS EQUIPMENT, BE AN OFFICER THERE SO THAT PART IS NOT INCLUDED. THIS IS JUST THE SOME OF THE INITIAL COST OF THAT ALSO COME OUT OF IMPACT. THE IMPACT FEES DOES HELP COVER PART OF THAT. IMPACT FEES THAT GOES THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT. THERE'S NOT IMPACT FEES CAN'T COVER PERSONNEL COSTS, IMPACT FEES GO TOWARDS YEAH. THEY HAVE TO GO FOR LIKE A BUILDING LIKE BUILDING A POLICE STATION. SOMETHING IS NOT ON. THEY CAN'T GO TOWARD THAT. THEY ARE $1 MILLION APPARATUS I THINK. SO LIKE A BIG FIRE TRUCK BUT NOT POLICE CARS. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO START OFF.

THERE AT THE TIME, AND IT WILL RECORD SO WE CAN GO BACK. LET'S SAY WE HAD A THEFT YESTERDAY. WE COULD GO BACK AND SAY WE HAVE A SUSPECT VEHICLE DESCRIPTION AND FIND ALL THE COLUMNS THAT MATCH THAT DESCRIPTION OR BE ABLE TO FIND THEM. SPECIFICITY. THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT SO FAST. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING. AND THEN GETTING ONE ONE THAT'S 2025. PLENTY OF OUR TARGETS

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RIGHT. LICENSE. IT'S PROBABLY A LICENSE PLATE IS IN PLAIN VIEW, THERE'S NO DOUBT. YEAH, BUT TRACKING LICENSE PLATE ON A RECURRING BASIS. AND THEN KNOWING WHAT YOUR PATTERN IS THAT STARTS TO GET SCARY. AND SO FOR I WOULD FOR ME TO SUPPORT THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ORDINANCE AND NOT JUST ABOUT THE POLICIES MEAN NOTHING TO MOST PEOPLE. THAT MEANS A LOT TO THEM, BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT MORE LATER. OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TRIED THIS OUT AS HE. THEY HADN'T PUT THE LICENSE IN THEIR NAME YET, SO HE WARNED THEM THAT THEY SHOULD DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE DRIVING ILLEGALLY, BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT A CAR AND HAVEN'T REGISTERED IT, AND THEY AGREED THAT THEY WOULD DO IT. AND A WEEK LATER IT POPPED UP AGAIN. THIS TIME HE KNEW WHERE THE PEOPLE WERE. SO WE WENT OVER TO THE HOUSE. IT WAS A LADY THAT WAS A LITTLE OLDER THAN ME AND WENT THERE AND SHE SAID, WELL, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT. SO HE STAYED THERE AND HELPED HER GET HER VEHICLE REGISTERED SO IT DOESN'T POP UP ON HER CAR. SO THERE'S SOME GOOD SERVICE BENEFITS THAT ARE AS A RESULT OF KNOWING THAT INFORMATION. AND THERE HAS BEEN LEGISLATION FROM THE STATE ON WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T BE USED FOR. THAT'S TRUE. IT'S ACTUALLY GOT MORE ACCESSIBLE THE LAST COUPLE OF LEGISLATIVE CYCLES TO WHERE WE AT, FOR EXAMPLE, TOW COMPANIES HAVE ACCESS TO THEM AND WHETHER THEY CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION. IT'S ALL LEGISLATED. WE FOLLOW ALL THOSE LAWS. SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CUT TO GET THOSE. PARDON ME. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CUT OUT OF THE BUDGET TO GET THESE. WELL THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE COULD TAKE THAT OTHER 2% BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO COVER ALL THIS. SO ARE THERE SOME OF THESE THAT YOU LIKE MORE DO YOU LIKE TO DO. AND THEY DROP A COUPLE OFF. BUT THOSE AREN'T PART OF THE BUT THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE BUDGET. THE BUDGET. THESE ARE THE GREEN SHEETS ON THE BUDGET. SOMETHING I'M JUST SAYING WE COULD CONSIDER THE BUDGET. IF YOU

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THEY'RE ALL ON. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ON THIS. THEY WERE ONE TIME THAT WAS THE TOP THREE I GUESS. CLARIFY ONE THING ON THE AXON. AXON DRAFT ONE IS 119,000 AXON. THE I PLAN THAT THEY'RE OFFERING IS A TEMPORARY OFFER THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THEIR AI FEATURES. THAT WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT TO US UP UNTIL JULY 1ST. AFTER THAT, THERE'S GOING TO GO UP TO PROBABLY 300,000 AT THE SAME TIME. COULD I SPEAK TO THAT BRIEFLY, THE AXON, I ASKED. IF YOU DON'T MIND. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT. I WENT ON A RIDE ALONG WITH OFFICER RODRIGUEZ SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND HE HAS A DOG, AND HE WAS CHASING A STABBING SUSPECT. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE STORY ALREADY. USED THE DOG TO CAPTURE THAT SUSPECT AND THE WHOLE WHOLE EPISODE TOOK MAYBE AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF.

AND THEN WE WENT BACK TO THE POLICE STATION, AND HE SPENT AT LEAST FOUR HOURS. RIGHT. AND ENGLISH IS NOT HIS FIRST LANGUAGE, BUT HE SPENT AT LEAST FOUR HOURS WRITING THE REPORT FOR THAT INCIDENT. AND THIS, I BELIEVE, THIS AXON. COULD LITERALLY BE LIKE ADDING ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IT COULD BE TO INCREASE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE REPORT, WRITING TO A LEVEL THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COULD INCREASE OR DECREASE THE TIME THAT'S UTILIZED IN WRITING THESE REPORTS, BUT I FEEL LIKE PUTTING ADDITIONAL OFFICERS ON THE STREET TO HAVE IT. I THINK IT WOULD SAVE US MONEY TO HAVE THIS ASSISTANT. IS THAT THE ONLY. IT IS THE ONLY SYSTEM THAT INTEGRATES WITH WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, AND THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS FULLY INTEGRATED WITH ANY KIND OF BODY CAMERA SYSTEM. SO THE IDEA IS IT TAKES BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE FROM THE CAMERAS. WE ALREADY HAVE TO REPORT THE INCIDENT, AND THEN IT CREATES A DRAFT REPORT BASED OFF THE RECORDING. SO LITERALLY THE OFFICER HAS DONE NOTHING AND THERE'S ALREADY A DRAFT REPORT WITH VERY ACCURATE INFORMATION FROM A VIDEO RECORDING THAT PUTS SAFETY CHECKS IN THERE FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ACCEPTING THE REPORT AS THEIR OWN AND THEY'RE PROOFREADING IT. BUT THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF TIME SAVINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE TEN MINUTES SOFTWARE FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO IT'S JUST TECHNOLOGY. SO ANYWAY, SO YES, THIS I WOULD SUPPORT THE COUNCIL. WHICHEVER YOU CHOSE ON HERE, IF YOU DECIDE TO INCREASE THE PROPERTY TAX, A COUPLE MORE PERCENTS TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. OR WE CAN CUT THE BUDGET SOMEPLACE ELSE TO FUND THESE. YOU PROBABLY COULD. THE REST OF THE BUDGET IS PRETTY MUCH LIKE IT WAS BEFORE. THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT BROUGHT IT UP. SO YES, THAT YOU HAVE THAT OPTION AS WELL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND I'M GOING TO LET YOU TURN OVER TO TODAY'S NOW BECAUSE SHE'S GOT THE DETAILS. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL, I KNOW YOU'RE ANXIOUS TO GET TO YOUR CONVERSATIONS AND QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE DIRECTORS. ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE COUNCIL'S BUDGET AND AUDIT COMMITTEE WAS FOR US TO PREPARE SOME METRICS OR SOME TRIGGERS FOR YOU THAT CAN ASSIST YOU AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS FOR NOT ONLY THIS BUDGET, BUT MOVING FORWARD TOGETHER. AND SO THAT CHALLENGE WAS TAKEN ON AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WERE VERY HELPFUL TO ME. I HAVE PASSED OUT THIS GROWTH METRICS, THESE GROWTH METRICS WORKSHEETS, THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU WILL SEE MISSING FROM THIS PACKET WILL NOT THE ONLY ONE. THERE ARE LOTS OF GROWTH METRICS, RIGHT? WE COULD HAVE DONE IT FOR THE COUNCIL OFFICE FOR RESOLUTIONS. WE COULD DO IT FOR MY OFFICE. WE COULD DO IT FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS. WHEN I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT IS PARKS AND THAT'S NOT IN HERE, THEY'RE DEVELOPING THEM RIGHT NOW. SO THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO GET THOSE. BUT OTHERWISE I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE GROWTH METRICS THAT CAN HELP YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO FLIP THROUGH THIS SUPER QUICKLY BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU CAN READ THROUGH THIS AND FIND THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WANT. STREETS MAINTENANCE. WE EVALUATED THIS. THIS IS GENERAL FUND STREET MAINTENANCE NOT FUND STREET MAINTENANCE. THE

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THESE ARE ORDERED BY RATIO. SO YOU'LL SEE IT'S 45 TO 1. WE'RE SECOND AT 40 MILES TO ONE WORKER. SOUTH JORDAN'S AT 39 MILES TO ONE WORKER. SOME OF THIS WILL BE SKEWED SLIGHTLY DEPENDING ON HOW THEY OUTSOURCE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT. SO THEY MAY BE ABLE TO MANAGE MORE LANE MILES BECAUSE THEY'RE OUTSOURCING A LOT MORE. BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF APPLES TO APPLES. WE'RE JUST PUTTING A COMPARISON TOGETHER AND USED CAR LOTS IN OUR CITY. WE CERTAINLY COULD BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING REALLY GOOD, AREN'T THEY? SOUTH JORDAN AND DRAPER ARE HAVING TO.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU PUT YOUR MONEY RIGHT. RECOMMENDED RATIO OF 25 TO 1. ABSOLUTELY. IF WE WERE THERE WOULD POSITIVELY INFLUENCE THE CITY'S PCI. BUT IT COULD BE IMPROVED WITH ALL KINDS OF THINGS, WHICH WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT, YOU'VE GOT $9 MILLION IN THE CLASS C ROAD FUNDS THIS YEAR. AND YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET. THAT SHOULD INCREASE OUR PCI AS WELL. SO THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS TO DO THAT. YOU COULD OUTSOURCE IT MAINTENANCE A LITTLE BIT MORE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS JUST INFORMATION FOR YOU TO KIND OF DIGEST. SORRY. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE INFORMATION TO DIGEST PART. THE END GOAL ISN'T TO HAVE THE LOWEST RATIO OF LANE MILES TO WORKERS. THE END GOAL IS TO HAVE A GOOD PCI OF OUR ROADS THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH OUTSOURCING. SO TAKE THAT RATIO. WATCH IT. WE'RE GOING TO WATCH IT. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO STRIVE FOR THE LOWEST RATIO NECESSARILY. WE'RE GOING TO STRIVE FOR BETTER PCI AND THE BEST PCI PER DOLLAR OF ASPHALT MAINTENANCE SPENT. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ONE THAT WE MEASURED WAS FLEET MANAGEMENT. AND WE'RE MEASURING THIS BY THE NUMBER OF ROLLING FLEET TO MECHANIC. SO THAT'S ACTUAL VEHICLES NOT ATVS NOT LAWNMOWERS NOT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THE INDUSTRY RATIOS 30 VEHICLES TO ONE MECHANIC. THE DIRECTOR SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE FELT MOST COMFORTABLE WHEN WE'RE AT 70 TO 1 BECAUSE WE HAVE A REALLY NEW FLEET. YOU'VE INVESTED CONTINUALLY IN OUR FLEET REPLACEMENT PLAN, AND IT SHOWS AND IT IT HELPS US KEEP THAT SERVICE LEVEL UP. EVERY HOUR YOU HAVE A VEHICLE DOWN IS AN HOUR. THAT EMPLOYEE IS NOT PERFORMING THE SERVICE THAT THEY COULD BE PERFORMING WITHOUT THAT VEHICLE. SO OUR CURRENT RATIO RIGHT NOW IS 103 VEHICLES TO ONE. OUR ROLLING FLEET HAS 516 VEHICLES AND OUR SMALL EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THESE RATIOS, IS 428 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT THESE MECHANICS ALSO MAINTAIN OR MAINTAIN OR FIX. FLEET REPLACEMENT PLAN VERSUS STAFFING. SO THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS EFFICIENCY IN FLEET MANAGEMENT. AND THAT'S BY THE FLEET REPLACEMENT PLAN OR STAFFING LEVELS. YOU REDUCE THE FLEET PLAN. YOU NEED TO INCREASE THE MECHANICS, THE NUMBER OF MECHANICS DOING THE WORK BECAUSE YOUR MAINTENANCE INCREASES AND YOU NEED TO INCREASE THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET. HOWEVER, RIGHT NOW THE DIVISION PREFERS TO MAINTAIN THE INVESTMENT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IN THE FLEET MAINTENANCE PLAN, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN FUNDING FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND AGAIN, THE MEASUREMENT IS THE NUMBER OF DOWNTIME FOR EQUIPMENT. AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IN SEVERAL WAYS. BUT COUNCIL YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING THAT. SO ASKING FOR NO CHANGES JUST LETTING YOU

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HISTORICALLY, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT'S BEEN 2020 ALLOWED FOR A LITTLE MORE DISCRETIONARY TIME THAT 33%. BUT IF WE REMEMBER, EVERYBODY IS LIVING IN THEIR HOUSE, SO NO ONE WAS DOING ANYTHING. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT AT THAT TIME, THOUGH, HAS DECREASED PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY OVER TIME.

NOBODY WAS DOING ANYTHING. OUR DOMESTIC CALLS WENT UP A LOT. THE DOMESTIC CALLS DID GO UP A LOT. YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT ON AVERAGE. SO STAY HOME. I'M STAYING HOME AND COMMITTING YOUR CRIME. I'M GOING TO ASK THE BIG QUESTION HERE. WE GOT TIME BETWEEN CALLS. IF THE AVERAGE TIME BETWEEN CALL IS THAT AND DEPUTY CHIEF, YOU CAN HELP STRAIGHTEN THIS ONE OUT. BUT IF THERE'S A CALL THAT HAPPENS IN THE SYCAMORES AND THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE POLICE STATION TO DOWNLOAD THEIR VIDEO AND DO A REPORT, WE'RE WASTING A HECK OF A LOT OF TIME DOING THAT. HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT AND HE HAD, DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME OF DAY. AND THERE WAS A CRASH ON 78 CONSTRUCTION FOR TEN MINUTES. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GET WE CAN'T GET BRIAN TO STOP CONSTRUCTION AT LEAST ON 13. WE DON'T 90TH TO END ON 90TH. SO HAVE WE. IS THERE A BETTER I'M GOING TO ASK ONE. IS THERE A BETTER METRIC THAN AVERAGE TIME BETWEEN CALLS AND TWO, IF THE AVERAGE TIME BETWEEN CALLS IS BECAUSE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE SYCAMORES AND THE JORDAN RIVER IS THE SAME DISTANCE AS GOING FROM THE SALT LAKE TEMPLE TO MIDVALE. SO IS THERE A BETTER WAY THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE THIS WITH TEMPORARY POLICE STATION PLUSSING UP HOLLY PARK? A TON OF OTHER THINGS AND SO IS THERE THAT. PLUS, IS THERE A BETTER METRIC? I THINK THE METRIC. THERE'S NOT A PERFECT METRIC IN MY MIND FOR ANALYZING POLICE MANPOWER. REALLY. I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US IS HAVING OUR OFFICERS HAVE ENOUGH DOWNTIME TO DECOMPRESS, BUT REALLY HAVING TIME TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY IN MEANINGFUL WAYS, NOT JUST ENFORCEMENT AND NOT JUST RESPONDING TO CALLS FOR SERVICE. WE WANT THEM OUT. ENFORCING TRAFFIC LAWS, PEOPLE OVER FROM TIME TO TIME SO THAT WE'RE INTERACTING WITH THE PUBLIC IN THAT WAY. YOU DON'T HAVE, ESPECIALLY ON DAY SHIFT, AN AFTERNOON SHIFT. WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS. OUR MOTOR GUYS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WE GIVE THEIR PRIMARY JOB TO DO PROACTIVE THINGS, AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS REALLY RESPONDING TO CALLS. SO I THINK IF OUR GOAL IS AND I THINK IT IS TO HAVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT BE ABLE TO INTERACT IN MORE POSITIVE WAYS, AND TO ME, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT METRIC THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. THERE'S OTHER THINGS LIKE COMPARING TO THE POPULATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY THE BEST WAY TO DETERMINE OUR MANPOWER AND WHAT OUR STAFFING LEVELS SHOULD BE. AS FAR AS THE EFFICIENCIES. WE ARE FOCUSED HEAVILY ON EFFICIENCIES. WE TALKED ABOUT THE CITY PLAN OF HAVING MORE RESOURCES AND STRUCTURES OUT WEST. WE HAVE A SUBSTATION OUT WEST THAT GETS USED. THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED. THEY CAN DO THEIR REPORTS FROM THEIR CARS, AND THE NEW BODY CAMERAS WILL HAVE TWO FEATURES. ONE, THE BODY CAMERAS WILL DOCK WIRELESSLY IF THEY CONNECT TO A NETWORK, AND THEY'LL DO THE SAME

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YOU KNOW, IT'S TWO HOURS FOR EVERY ONE. THEY SPEND ONE HOUR ON A CALL. IT'S TWO HOURS. AND SO THAT DRAFT ONE IS A GOOD ONE, BECAUSE THAT CALL TIME. INCLUDES THE TIME SPENT WRITING REPORTS.

AND SO USING AI TO HELP US SPEED UP THE REPORT WRITING PROCESS AND HELP THE ACCURACY BASED ON SOME OF THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE AND OTHER THINGS, THAT'S ONE WAY TO DO IT. THE OFFICER, THE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS WITH THE COPS, GRANT IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY TO DO IT. WE, IN TERMS OF TRAVEL, WHEN I DO RIDE ALONGS WITH THE POLICE, THAT'S HEAVY ON MY MIND TOO. HOW MUCH TIME WE'RE SPENDING ON THE ROAD INSTEAD OF PROACTIVELY POLICING. ARE WE JUST GOING FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY? WE LOOK AT HOW OFTEN WE HAVE EXPLORED. AS CHIEF ROBERTSON MENTIONED, WE HAVE EXPLORED DOING EVIDENCE COLLECTION ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY TO REDUCE THE BACK AND FORTH TRAVEL. THERE'S CHALLENGES WITH THAT. WE ARE EXPLORING OTHER THINGS USING THE SUBSTATION A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WE'RE MAKING SURE WHEN WE BUILD A FUTURE FIRE STATION, IT WILL BE A JOINT PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, POLICE AND FIRE. SO WE HAVE A HEADQUARTERS ON THE WEST SIDE FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL TO REDUCE SOME OF THAT EAST WEST TRAVEL. SO IT'S VERY, VERY MUCH ON OUR RADAR. WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE CITY FOR A WHILE WE HAD TO DISPATCH CHANNELS AND WE'RE JUST IT'S THERE'S WE'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH YET TO SUPPORT THAT.

WE'RE FINDING THAT WE'RE JUMPING BACK AND FORTH A LOT AND TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER BECAUSE YOU HAD HALF THE CITY SPLIT, HALF HOUR SHIFTS SPLIT, AND THERE WASN'T LOOKING AT ONE SIDE OF THE CITY OR THE OTHER. SO WE TRIED AS MUCH AS WE CAN THINK OF TO TRY AND BUILD UP SOME EFFICIENCY. YOU HAVE MORE IDEAS. WE'RE OPEN. ABSOLUTELY. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, CHIEF, BECAUSE WHEN I'VE BEEN ON RIDE ALONGS, THE CONCERN HASN'T BEEN HOW MUCH DOWNTIME THEY HAD. IT'S BEEN HOW MANY CALLS ARE ON THAT SCREEN CONSTANTLY. SO DO YOU TRACK THAT. IS THAT A METRIC THAT WE CAN START TRACKING IF WE'RE NOT TRACKING SERVICE CALLS FOR SERVICE? TRICKY, BECAUSE NOT ALL CALLS ARE CREATED THE SAME. AND WE'RE DOING OTHER THINGS LIKE ONLINE REPORTING, TRYING TO CUT DOWN ON CALLS FOR SERVICE. BUT THEIR CONCERN OFTEN IS NOT THAT THEY'RE GETTING CALLS ONE RIGHT AFTER ANOTHER. IT'S WE'VE GOT 100 CALLS ON THE BOARD ALL THE TIME, AND WE CAN'T GET THEM GONE. AND THAT THAT'S ALSO SPEAKS TO THE TIME BETWEEN CALLS, THE TIME BETWEEN CALLS.

THEY'RE NOT FOR THOSE BUSY TIMES, BUT THE TIME BETWEEN CALLS IS AVERAGED OVER ALL OF THE SHIFTS. THE MAJORITY OF THAT TIME IS BUILDING FROM OUR GRAVEYARD GUYS, BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY GO PROBABLY LONGER, LIKE AN HOUR OR TWO HOURS BETWEEN CALLS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THE CALLS. BUT THOSE TIMES WHEN YOU'RE TALKING AND THOSE CALLS ARE STACKING UP GUYS ON THAT, THOSE SHIFTS HAVE REAL TIME BETWEEN CALLS LIKE YOU'VE SEEN, BECAUSE THE CALLS ARE WAITING FOR THEM. AND UNLESS THEY CAN CALL OUT TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE NEXT CALL AS SOON AS THEY COME. SO THAT'S AN AVERAGE ACROSS ALL SHIFTS. AND OUR ABILITY TO INCREASE THAT IS GOING TO INCREASE OUR ABILITY TO GET THOSE CALLS OFF THE SCREEN FASTER. AND THEN THEY HAVE SOME TIME TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. BUT WHEN THOSE CALLS ARE STACKED UP, THERE'S ZERO DISCRETIONARY TIME. THOSE GUYS AREN'T DEALING WITH THOSE BUSY TIMES WHEN YOU CALL YOUR STAFF. SO I THINK THAT METRIC HELPS US GET CLOSER TO THAT, TO WHERE WE'RE ANSWERING CALLS FASTER IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEN ALSO HAVING TIME TO INTERACT WITH. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO SOME OF THE EFFICIENCIES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROVIDED AND WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO USE OF COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS OR CIVILIAN STAFF. WE'RE USING THEM QUITE FREQUENTLY. CITIZEN ONLINE REPORTING WHICH YOU PROVIDED TO THEM LAST YEAR. I BELIEVE IN THE BUDGET TOWING MANAGEMENT SERVICES. NEW IN THIS BUDGET IS PARKING ENFORCEMENT USING CSOS, WHICH IS A COST EFFICIENT WAY TO

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AND IT'S A SPECIFIC TYPE OF OFFICER, SOMEBODY WHO'S NEVER BEEN HERE AND WANTED TO LEAVE FOR SOME REASON, BUT IS IN GOOD STANDING AND IS ALREADY TRAINED, OR AN OFFICER FROM ANOTHER AGENCY THAT WE FEEL LIKE CAN EASILY TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF WORKING ON THEIR OWN. THAT WAS GOOD INVESTMENT ON OUR PART, AND WE ALREADY HAVE A COUPLE CSOS, RIGHT? WE HAVE THREE CSOS, WE HAVE THREE, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING TWO MORE PART TIMERS ON OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO THIS MEASUREMENT IS REALLY ABOUT BUILDING THE NEW STATION AND HOW THAT WILL GET TRIGGERED. SO WE'RE MEASURING THE NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE. AND THE NEW STATIONS AREA WHICH IS IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE IN PREPARATION FOR THE STATION IS WE PURCHASED THE LAND THAT DID PUT THE FIRE IMPACT FEE FUND INTO THE NEGATIVE FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, SO IT'LL TAKE ABOUT THREE YEARS OF COLLECTIONS TO PAY OFF THE LAND THAT THE FIRE STATION WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ON. THE NEXT NEED FOR FIRE IMPACT FEES WILL BE TO BUILD A LOGISTICS WAREHOUSE FOR BOTH POLICE AND FIRE. THAT WILL ALLOW US TO START PREPARING FOR THAT STATION AND PROCURING SOME EQUIPMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S PROTECTED, AND THEN ALSO PROTECTING EQUIPMENT THAT WE ALREADY OWN,

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WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE PREPARED TO BUILD IN SIX YEARS WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BUILD IN SEVEN YEARS AT THE VERY LATEST, BECAUSE I CAN ONLY COLLECT FIRE AND POLICE IMPACT FEES. I CAN ONLY KEEP THEM ON ON OUR BOOKS FOR SIX YEARS. THEN I HAVE TO SPEND THEM OR REFUND THEM. SO WE EITHER HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER A FIRE STATION, OR WE BOND FOR A FIRE STATION AND WE USE IMPACT FEES TO PAY FOR IT OVER TIME, WHICH IS PROBABLY MY RECOMMENDATION. BUT WE WILL HAVE TO BUILD BECAUSE I'M AT I'M ALMOST AT NET ZERO IN THE POLICE IMPACT FEE FUND. SO THIS STARTS MY TIME CLOCK. I HAVE TO BE DONE. THE LOGISTICS, THE LOGISTICS, BUILDING THAT UP.

THAT'S TRUE. I'M SORRY I APOLOGIZE, BUT LOGISTICS WAREHOUSE MAY PUSH THAT OUT A COUPLE MORE YEARS. SO IT'S GOING TO JUST DEPEND ON HOW DOES THAT AREA DEVELOP WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT AREA. BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. IS FIRE LIKE POLICE AND THAT THERE IS A THERE'S DAILY UPTIMES AND DOWNTIMES, YOU KNOW, FAST TIMES AND SLOW TIMES, THAT KIND OF THING. I'M JUST WONDERING IF, AS A NEW STATION IS BROUGHT ON, IF IT CAN BE BROUGHT ON GRADUALLY IN SHIFTS, RIGHT. LIKE WE NEED MORE COVERAGE DURING FROM 5 TO 10 P.M. OR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS. SPITBALLING. RIGHT? WE NEED WORK BETWEEN 5 AND 10 P.M. SO FOR THE FIRST YEAR, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO EXPAND IT TO FOUR POLICE OFFICERS, FOUR FIREFIGHTERS. WE HAVE MORE FIREFIGHTERS STAFFED BETWEEN 5 AND 10 P.M, WHETHER THAT'S OVERLAPPING SHIFTS OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THAT. YES. IS THAT FEASIBLE? I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST I'M TOTALLY I'M SMILING BECAUSE CHIEF MAXFIELD AND I, WE HE EXPLORES EFFICIENCIES ON THINGS LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME. RIGHT. DO WE BRING ON JUST AN ANNUAL. DO WE BRING ON JUST A BLS? DO WE BRING IT ON JUST FOR CERTAIN PARTS OF THE DAY? HOW DO WE HOW DO WE STAGGER THAT GROWTH IN A WAY THAT KEEPS, KEEPS US FROM HAVING TO DO A SPIKE IN TAXES AND KEEPS US FROM HAVING FIREFIGHTERS TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR. YEAH, RIGHT. IT'S LIKE THE IT'S LIKE ON SCHOOL BOARD DISCUSSIONS. RIGHT. THEY TALK ABOUT BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS BECAUSE THE SCHOOLS ARE OVERCROWDED. WHY DON'T YOU BUILD A NEW SCHOOL IN ADVANCE? WELL, YOU CAN'T BUILD A NEW SCHOOL IN ADVANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE BIG EMPTY SCHOOLS IN THERE. NOBODY'S GOING TO SPEND $200 MILLION ON SCHOOL AND NOBODY GOES TO. SO IT'S THE SAME KIND OF A THING, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE EITHER GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE BURSTING AN OVERCROWDED SCHOOL, OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG, EMPTY SCHOOL. IT'S LIKE, WELL, IS THERE THE EQUIVALENT OF, IF I COULD JUST ADD OR SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS SOME OF THESE METRICS THAT DENISE HAS THAT SHOW THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT AREA THAT WILL BE COVERED BY STATION 56. ANOTHER PART OF THAT IS RELIABILITY IS THERE KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE POLICE? ARE THERE ENOUGH CALLS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA THAT NOW THE PARAMEDICS AND FIREFIGHTERS AREN'T AVAILABLE? AND SO WHEN SOMEONE CALLS AND WE HAVE TO PULL FROM ANOTHER AREA IN PREPARATION FOR THIS, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WHEN WE OPEN UP

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WE'LL EITHER RUN JUST AN ENGINE WITH A STAFF OF THREE OR AN AMBULANCE OR WHATEVER, BUT WE WON'T BE DOING BOTH RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK THE DEMAND WILL BE THERE. HOWEVER, WE'D LIKE TO BUILD THE STATION IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT GROWTH, BUT EVENTUALLY WE'LL RAMP UP TO THAT. BUT YEAH, INITIALLY, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON OPENING UP A NEW STATION WITH THE SAME CONFIGURE CONFIGURATION THAT WE HAVE. THAT'S AWESOME. ASK A DUMB QUESTION. PERFECT ANSWER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STATION 56. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? WHAT'S THE LONG TERM PLAN FOR 55? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SHUTTING THAT DOWN MOVING IT TO 56? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IN THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE AND LOOKED AT? STATION 55 IS IN THE RIGHT AREA. ONE THING THAT WOULD REALLY HELP IS THAT 72 SOUTH FLYOVER ON MOUNTAIN VIEW. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET OVER TO THE OCHER SHADOWS AREA FROM THAT BECAUSE OF 74. IS THAT WHAT IT IS? 74, 74, 70. BUT WE HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 56TH AND THEN OVER TO GET THERE. SO IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME. BUT BASED ON STATION 107 WITH UEFA THAT IS NOW OPEN, IT'S RUNNING. FIREFIGHTERS OUT OF 55 IS THE PERFECT LOCATION FOR US. THE BUILDING ITSELF HAS SOME ISSUES. THERE'S BEEN SETTLING ISSUES WITH THE GROUND OUT THERE AND IT'S OLD AND IT'S SMALL. IT'S VERY SMALL. THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A STORAGE PLACE, SOME OF OUR APPARATUS WE WEAR TO THE POINT NOW WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO STORE APPARATUS OUTSIDE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO ACTUALLY FIT THEM IN, AND WE'RE DOING SOME THINGS TO WORK WITH THAT. BUT PART OF THAT ISSUE IS THAT STATION 55 WAS BUILT SO SMALL THAT YOU JUST CAN'T FIT ANYTHING IN IT, BUT A SMALL ENGINE AND AN AMBULANCE KIND OF COULD BE ADDED ON TO EXPLAIN ABOUT DRIVING THAT ENGINE. THE QUESTION I HAVE WITH THE LOGISTICS WAREHOUSE IS. THERE'S A LOT OF WAREHOUSE SPACE OVER BY OVER BY AMAZON. RIGHT.

LAWYERS BUILT TONS IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE? INSTEAD OF BUILDING A BUILDING THAT WE LEASE, LEASE SOME SPACE OVER THERE TOWARDS TOWARDS THAT I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. POSSIBLY IF WE COULD GET IT FOR A SCREAMING DEAL. BUT I DON'T THINK LEASE SPACE CAN BE USED. IMPACT FEES FOR LEASE SPACE. IT HAS TO BE OWNED. IT HAS TO BE OWNED CAPITAL. WHY IS TO SPEND IMPACT FEES JUST A BLACK AND WHITE RULE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY LEGAL? BECAUSE AN IMPACT FEE. YEAH, LEASES CAN BE ONGOING AND CANCELED IN ANY TIME. IMPACT FEE IS LEVIED AGAINST GROWTH TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THAT'S WHY THAT COMMON SENSE SOMETIMES IS SO COMMON ON STUFF LIKE THAT. YOU ASKED IF 55 CAN BE ADDED ON TO. WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT. IT'S TRICKY BECAUSE OF HOW IT SITS NEXT TO THE DRAINAGE, NEXT TO THE CHANNEL AND THE WAY IT'S ORIENTED. POSSIBLY, BUT IT WOULD BE PRETTY EXPENSIVE AND QUITE THE ARCHITECTURAL CHALLENGE. PROBABLY HAVE TO DIG PRETTY DEEP PYLONS TO BUILD ON. WELL, THEY'RE SUPPOSEDLY THERE ARE SOME DOWN THERE. THEY PROBABLY HAVE TO ADD SOME MORE ON THE, ON ON THE FIRE. IS IT SEASONALLY? ARE YOU BUSIER AT OTHER TIMES THAN THAT BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT HOURLY? IS IT THE SAME WITH SEASONALLY LIKE FIRE SEASON OR IT REALLY ISN'T BECAUSE MOST OF WHAT WE DO IS MEDICAL RELATED. YEAH. THERE'S NOT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU GET SOME LITTLE PEAKS IN THE LATE SUMMER WITH WITH ACTUAL FIRE ACTIVITY. YEAH. BUT AS FAR AS OUR OVERALL CALL VOLUME, IT'S PRETTY STEADY. OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. CAN I SMILE? YES. OKAY. WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT THE CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE STAYED PRETTY CONSISTENT FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS. WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS REPORT TO YOU. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR EACH OF THE STATIONS. YOU CAN SEE THAT STATION 54 IS OUR QUIETEST STATION. AND THEN MUTUAL AID RESPONSES ARE WHEN WE RESPOND TO CALLS OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA. SO WE ASSIST OTHER AGENCIES. AND THEN IN RESPONSE, THEY ASSIST US WHEN WE NEED A SIMILAR TO WHAT CHIEF IS SPEAKING TO WITH THE FIRE STATION. THAT'S CLOSER TO OVERSHADOWS OR FASTER RESPONSE TIMES 5660 SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

THE NEXT ONE IS EVENTS. THE MEASUREMENT IS EVENTS DAY PER FTE. THIS ONE DOES NOT HAVE AN INDUSTRY STANDARD BECAUSE IT'S REALLY SUBJECTIVE, RIGHT. DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF EVENTS YOU PUT ON AND HOW MANY EVENTS YOU PUT ON, THERE IS SOME NARRATIVE ABOUT HOW YOU COULD CONSIDER THEM ON THE PAGE THAT WE PROVIDED YOU. THE DIRECTOR SAID THAT THEY'RE MOST ASHLEY

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YEAH, SO WE'LL DO. WE'LL START WITH DENISE WITH THE GENERAL FUND. GENERAL FUND? JUST ON REVENUE AND EXPENSES IN GENERAL. ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE WITH THAT, THEN WE'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S ON DECK, I BELIEVE, AND THEN WE'LL DO THE MAYOR. THE MAYOR HAS A MOTION THERE. AND THEN NEXT WILL BE DENISE WITH HANDLING SERVICES AND THEN JOSH WITH LEGAL. SO IT COULD BE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THE FIRST LESSON I GOT IN NURSING SCHOOL IS NOT TO ASSUME, SAY I'M SORRY, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING AND ENSURE THAT WHAT I'M READING IS WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. SO ON PAGE 57, YOU HAVE A 3% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE 2% PLUS NEW GROWTH THAT WAY YOU RECORDED? YES. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M ASKING ABOUT THE NEW GROWTH IS THAT IF THAT 3% IS 2%, NEW GROWTH IS $400,000, THAT MEANS NEW GROWTH IS ONLY $200,000. IT DOESN'T. WE INCLUDED IN PROPERTY TAXES, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, DELINQUENT PROPERTY TAX, INTEREST ON PROPERTY TAX. THERE'S LIKE 12 DIFFERENT ACCOUNT LINES THAT GO INTO PROPERTY TAX. SO WE DID ASSUME THE 2%. WE DID ASSUME A MILLION I BELIEVE. AND SORRY I NEED TO ADD THAT TAG. YEAH. THE OTHER TAG HALF A MILLION. THAT'S THE OTHER REVENUE. BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S PROPERTY TAX. THAT'S OTHER TAX. OTHER REVENUES. SO PROPERTY TAX ACCORDING TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE. RIGHT. THE DIFFICULTY IS WHAT DID WE COLLECT VERSUS WHAT I'M BUDGETING I'M ONLY ALLOWED TO BUDGET WHAT THE ASSESSOR ALLOWS ME TO BUDGET. SO I'M ALLOWED TO BUDGET 2% ABOVE IS 400,000, BUT I'M BUDGETING $20.3 MILLION FOR PROPERTY TAX, NEW GROWTH AT 1.1 MILLION DELINQUENT TAXES AT 260,000, AND THEN VEHICLES IN LIEU OF AT. 1 MILLION. SO NOW I'M NOW I'M WAY CONFUSED. IF YOU'RE BUDGETING 20 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAX PLUS A MILLION OF NEW AND LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS 22 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT DOESN'T IF WE IF ALL THE PROPERTY TAX LAST YEAR WAS 22 MILLION AND THEN WE HAVE A MILLION NEW GROWTH, SHOULDN'T THAT NUMBER EXCEED 23 MILLION PLUS THE 2% WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH A TAX? I THE BUDGET INCLUDES WHAT THE WHAT THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE WILL ALLOW BUT LIMITED. BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 20 MILLION PLUS $1 MILLION IN NEW GROWTH IS 21 MILLION. BUT LAST THIS BUDGET YEAR THAT WE'RE IN HAS GOT $22 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAX. RIGHT. AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX, ONCE I GET AN ASSESSMENT WILL COME IN HIGHER. I'M JUST USING WHAT I KNOW RIGHT NOW. SO I CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL I KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO GET, BECAUSE IT JUST LOOKS LIKE PROPERTY TAX. STATE STATUS, PAGE 62. I MEAN, JUST IT LOOKS LIKE IT STAYS STATIC, RIGHT? WE WENT FROM 21 MILLION TO 22 MILLION, WHICH WAS A IN FISCAL YEAR 2020 FOR PROPERTY TAX INCREASE FROM FY 24 TO FY 25 BY 400 TO THE ACTUAL, IT WENT UP $600,000. AND THEN WE'RE BUT WE'RE. WE'RE SAYING THAT THE BUDGETED AMOUNT

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ANYWAY. SO YEAH, OKAY. WE SHOULD TWEAK THIS. WE COULD ALWAYS VOTE ANYTHING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT REVENUE? ARE WE CONFIDENT WITH OUR INCREASE IN SALES TAX WITH THE CURRENT LIKE MOST OF YOUR RECENT ONES SHOW WE'RE GOING COLLECTING SALES TAX. ARE ARE WE CONFIDENT WITH THE NUMBERS YOU'VE USED. WE AS IN YOU. ARE YOU CONFIDENT WITH THE NUMBERS YOU'VE USED? I'M VERY CONFIDENT. UNLESS I SEE A MAJOR DRAMATIC LIKE SOMETHING IN THE ECONOMY. BUT I'M CONFIDENT BECAUSE WE BUDGETED FLAT SO WE WENT STRAIGHT. IT'LL BE DIFFERENT THAN TODAY. YEAH. SO WE'RE OKAY IN SAYING FLAT IN ONE TIME REVENUE. EVEN WITH THE ONE TIME REVENUE, THERE'S STILL SOME WIGGLE ROOM THERE ABOUT WHAT IS IT, $800,000 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE BUDGETING. WE'RE PLANNING ON AN EXTRA 1.5 MILLION IN SALES TAX GROWTH. IS THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY JUST TRANSFERRING IT BECAUSE WE WERE SO CONSERVATIVE IN SALES TAX AND USING OUR 5% AS ONE TIME, WE'RE MOVING IT FROM OUR ONE TIME REVENUE INTO OUR ONGOING REVENUE AND REDUCING OUR OUR ONE TIME.

SO IT WAS SITTING THERE. SO THE BUDGET FLAT, I'M JUST MOVING IT OUT OF THE CATEGORY OF ONE TIME INTO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE MACRO NUMBER. WE WERE AT 30,600,000 LAST LAST YEAR. AND WE'RE PROJECTING IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR 32.15. SO WE'RE WE'RE ADDING 1.5 MILLION. WE'RE ANTICIPATING 1.5 MILLION IN NEW SALES TAX REVENUE. THE WAY I READ THAT BUDGET SALES TAX IS JUST PARTIALLY TO INFLATION TOO. SO INFLATION GOES UP 2 OR 3%. THAT'S 2 OR 3%. YEAH. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ANTICIPATING. IT'S ALSO SALES TAX IS ALSO BASED ON THE STRENGTH OF THE ECONOMY. AND IF PEOPLE AREN'T BUYING BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF THE ECONOMY, THE SALES TAX REVENUE IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE. THAT'S TRUE. BUT OUR SALES TAX SECTOR IS LARGELY BASED AROUND NON, I WANT TO SAY RECESSION PROOF THINGS. BUT GROCERY STORES. SOME SOME IT. YEAH. SO LAST BUT A LOT OF IT LAST YEAR'S ACTUAL WAS 33.99 MILLION THIS YEAR. MY ESTIMATE FOR THIS YEAR IS 33.079. SO I WENT DOWN FOR THIS YEAR. AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR IS 33.020. SO WE WENT DOWN EVEN FURTHER. SO I'VE TAKEN A MILLION OUT. SO WHERE'S THAT NUMBER LISTED IN THIS BUDGET. IT'S BROKEN. YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT PAGE, IT SHOWS HOW MUCH OF THAT SALES TAX WE WERE CONVERTING OVER TO ONE TIME

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CORRECT? YOU ARE CORRECT. OKAY. THIS YEAR DEDICATED TO CAPITAL IS ABOUT $866,000. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WHICH IS YEAH, I KNOW, WHICH IS REALLY BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO OUR 5% YEAR OVER YEAR, EVEN IN THE ROUGHER TIMES, WHEREAS A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE RELYING ON THAT AS ONGOING REVENUE AND A REGULAR BASIS. SO THIS DOES ALLOW ONE TIME REVENUE OF 866, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER. SO NOT ONLY DID WE REDUCE SALES TAX REVENUE FROM 2024, DOWN ALMOST $1 BILLION, WE ALSO HAVE THE BUFFER OF 866. SO IT COULD DROP ALMOST $2 MILLION FROM 2024. AND WE WOULD STILL BE OKAY. BUT THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE IF WE'D HAVE NOT, WE'LL BE OKAY.

SHORT TERM, SHORT TERM AND SHORT TERM ABOUT LIKE NEXT, NEXT, NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THE YEAR AND THE YEAR AFTER THAT IS GOING TO BE PLAYING CATCH UP FROM WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW. RIGHT. WELL WE WON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO USE ONE TIME FUNDS. THAT MONEY WILL BE GONE. SO IF THEY NEED A NEW AMBULANCE, WE WON'T HAVE THE MONEY SITTING THERE. IT JUST WON'T HAVE AS BIG A SAVINGS ACCOUNT. WELL, WE HAVE THE 20. WE HAVE THE 21 MILLION. THE ONLY ONE. BUT THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR THAT'S A DIFFERENT SAFETY. THAT SAVINGS ACCOUNT. YES. YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR IN CASE OF EMERGENCY ACCOUNT AND THEN YOUR REGULAR SAVINGS ACCOUNT THAT YOU CAN USE. I THINK CULLEN'S POINT'S WELL TAKEN. IT'S OUR DECREASING THE AMOUNT WE PUT INTO CAPITAL. WHAT WHAT IS THAT GOING TO COST US IN TERMS OF CAPITAL PROJECTS WE CAN'T DO BECAUSE WE'RE DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE PUTTING IN NUMBER TWO. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS OUR IDEAL WORLD, BUT WE ALWAYS, ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE OPERATIONAL SALARY SAVINGS. AND THAT SAVINGS IS ALSO DEDICATED TO CAPITAL. IT'S NOT THE BEST LONG TERM PLAN, RIGHT? SOMEDAY YOU MAY NEVER HAVE ANY SAVINGS, BUT EVERYBODY WILL STAY. EVERYONE WILL JUST STAY THEIR JOB. RIGHT? BUT THIS YEAR WE DIDN'T BUDGET A TON OF A TRANSFER TO THE CAPITAL FUND. WE BUDGETED $160,000. I ESTIMATE THAT I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO TRANSFER 1.1 MILLION, I'M SORRY, $5.1 MILLION. THAT'S HOW MUCH SAVINGS I HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THE GENERAL FUND FROM VACANCIES OR OPERATIONAL, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THAT MONEY COMES FROM, WE'RE PUTTING LESS INTO IT THIS YEAR THAN WE NORMALLY DO, WHICH IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME SACRIFICE IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE ARE GETTING DONE, OR WE'RE PLANNING TO GET DONE RIGHT OR RIGHT. I MEAN, IF I PUT LESS MONEY INTO THE CURRENT BUDGET, I GET FEWER, LESS OFTEN, RIGHT? I MEAN. SO OUR TRANSFER OUT IN 2023 WAS $15 MILLION TO THE CIP FUND. IN 2024, IT WAS $7.6 MILLION. THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE IT'LL BE 5.1 MILLION. RIGHT.

WE'RE SEEING THAT TRAJECTORY. WE KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING. BUT BUT AT SOME POINT, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THAT TRAJECTORY, IF THE CURVE FALLS THROUGH, IS GOING TO HIT ZERO. CORRECT. BUT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOU GRADUALLY INCREASE PROPERTY TAX, BECAUSE IT IS STABLE REVENUE THAT DOESN'T FLUCTUATE. ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS SINCE SINCE 20. FY 20, RIGHT. SO WE'RE ON FY 26. FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS, WE HAVE SHIFTED TO USING THE CIP FUND AS THE CUSHION, THE CUSHIONING FUND. RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S LEAN. BUT WHAT OTHER CITIES

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NOW IF IT STAYS FLAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS, YEAH, WE'LL BE IN A PINCH. WE'LL HAVE TO CUT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN FOR. WE KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN, SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE ON TOP OF THAT. SO WE'RE NOT PLAYING CATCH UP IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS WHEN WE ARE COMPLETELY FLAT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY THIS IS A PRETTY MODEST BUDGET. THERE'S NOT A TON OF EXPANSION. THERE IS SOME EXPANSION HERE, A LOT OF THAT EXPANSION THE MAYOR MENTIONED WAS IN AREAS THAT INCLUDE REVENUE WITH IT. WE ARE VERY, VERY FORTUNATE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, YOU KNOW, NO INCREASE FOR EMPLOYEES OR CUTTING EMPLOYEES IN ORDER TO GIVE THE OTHER EMPLOYEES AN INCREASE, SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO WE'RE ABLE TO BE A LOT MORE STEADY IN OUR PLANS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN USING THE CIP FUNDS THAT CUSHION. SO THIS WHAT I'M WHAT I'M SAYING IS FROM A 30,000 FOOT LEVEL IS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REVENUES IN THE CIP FUND, WE SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT WHAT THE EXPENSES IN THE CIP FUND ARE. WHAT ARE THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE LIST, HOW MUCH THEY COST, WHAT IS BEING DEFERRED BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS WE'RE MAKING AS TO HOW WE PUT MONEY INTO THE CIP. NOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT DECISIONS. I DON'T CARE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION. WHAT YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S FROM EMPLOYEE TURNOVER OR TRAINING OR FROM SALES TAX OR FROM. WATER FUND, WHATEVER, WE'RE CHANGING THE AMOUNT WE PUT IN. HOW DOES THAT AFFECT WHAT COMES OUT? WELL, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE STRATEGIES THAT THAT YOU USE AS A COUNCIL IS YOUR FIVE YEAR PLAN. WE DO HAVE FIVE YEAR PLANS IN EACH OF THE CIP FUNDS THAT LIST OUT THE PROJECTS AND HOW WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU USE THE RESERVES. SO NEXT WEEK WE DO A WORK SESSION WITH CIP. WE'LL GO OVER THE REVENUE STREAM FOR THE CIP FUND FOR FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS NOT ASSUMING ANY TRANSFERS IN. IT'S JUST ASSUMING INTERGOVERNMENTAL INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE THAT WE KNOW ABOUT AND THEN HOW WE ARE SAYING WE SHOULD USE THE RESERVES, THE CIP FUND, TO CONTINUE WITH CIP PROJECTS. IT'S NOT TO SAY FUNDS WILL NEVER RUN OUT, BUT IT IS TO SAY THAT YOU ENDED LAST YEAR WITH ABOUT $60 MILLION CIP RESERVES, SO THOSE WILL SUSTAIN US OVER SOME PERIOD OF TIME. HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING ON THE CIP FUND ON AN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? JUST BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT PAGE UP TOTALLY DEPENDS ON THE YEAR. YEAH. AND THE PROJECTS I MEAN THAT IS LIKE NOT CONSISTENT AT ALL. IT'S ON DESIGN TIME, BUT WE'LL GO OVER THOSE IN DEPTH NEXT WEEK. SO HOW MUCH HOW MUCH VALUATION OF PROPERTY DO WE NEED EACH YEAR TO GET AN 8% PROPERTY TAX? HOW MANY NEW HOUSES DO WE NEED TO BUILD FOR THAT 8% THAT WE'VE GOT IN THIS FIVE YEAR? THAT'S AN 8% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, I KNOW. SO HOW MANY HOMES HAVE WE GONE TO SO THAT YOU'D HAVE NO INCREASE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SO THAT WE CAN MEET YOUR 8%? HOW MUCH GROWTH 8% WOULD BE REVENUE THAT YOU INCREASE. SIMILAR TO WHAT. WELL, YEAH, BUT I CAN INCREASE IT BY RAISING TAXES OR I CAN INCREASE IT BY BRINGING MORE. THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. AND I WANT TO BRING MORE PEOPLE IN. YOU CAN'T THOUGH BECAUSE NEW PEOPLE REQUIRE MORE SERVICES. THAT'S TRUE. WE HAVE 100 PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT COST ONE POLICE OFFICER. WHEN WE ADD 100 MORE PEOPLE, IT DOESN'T GO, OH GREAT, THAT POLICE OFFICER IS NOW HALF AS MUCH EXPENSIVE. WE NEED ANOTHER POLICE OFFICER. I DON'T THINK. AND THAT'S A REALLY TOUGH THING FOR ME TO KNOW BECAUSE YOU COULD BRING IN A DATA CENTER AND SUBSIDIZE PROPERTY TAX A TON. YOU COULD BRING IN RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND THEY'RE DISCOUNTED. SO IT TOTALLY DEPENDS ON HOW THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURS. SO LAST WEEK WHEN THE MAYOR PRESENTED HIS BUDGET, ONE OF THE RATIONALES FOR HAVING A NEW STREET MAINTENANCE WORKER WAS THE ANNEXATION OF THE ANNEXATION. HOW MUCH PROPERTY TAX DOES THAT ANNEXATION AREA BRING? IN A YEAR, WE ESTIMATE ABOUT $780,000 A YEAR. RIGHT NOW IS WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING. WE'RE NOT QUITE I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME ASSESSED VALUES. SO I CAN IMPLY THAT. BUT WE WILL NOT RECEIVE PROPERTY TAX THIS FISCAL YEAR. IT WILL BE IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO THIS YEAR WE'RE TAKING THEM ON JULY 1ST OF 2025. BUT BECAUSE HALF OF THE YEAR HAS ALREADY EXPIRED, THE COUNTY WILL TAKE THE PROPERTY TAX AND THEN THEY WILL HIT OUR TAX ROLLS IN JANUARY OF 2026. AND WE'LL RECEIVE THOSE

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YOU SHOULD BE ADJUSTING MY SALES TAX POPULATION SO I GET MORE SALES TAX. YOU SHOULD BE PUTTING THESE ONTO MY TAX ROLLS. AND NOTHING. THEY WERE NOT RESPONSIVE TO ME. ADAM. WHO DID YOU I WAS GOING TO SAY. WHO DID YOU LEGISLATION INVOLVED IN THAT. WHAT IS IT. WHAT DID YOU TALK TO I NOT THE PERSON BUT THE DEPARTMENT OR WHATEVER. YEAH. IT'S AT THE GARDNER IS SHE'S THE CHAIR OF THE POPULATION COMMITTEE. THAT'S FROM THE. OKAY. THE POPULATION COMMITTEE IS A STATE ENTITY. IT IS. BUT SHE'S THE CHAIR OVER IT. YES. IT'S A NEW BRAND NEW ONE JUST CREATED UNDER THE LEGISLATURE. I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY, WHEN WE WENT TO INCORPORATE TERRAIN. REQUIRED US COUNTY. THE COUNTY SAID YOU WANT TO INCORPORATE TERRAIN, YOU GOT TO TAKE FALCONRIDGE TWO. SO THEY BASICALLY TWISTED OUR ARMS TO SAY, WE'RE TAKING FALCON RIDGE. AND THEN THEY'RE SAYING, OH, AND THANKS TO THE WINDFALL, I DON'T THINK THEY SAID, WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. I DON'T I DON'T THINK THEY SIT IN THE ROOM AND GO, WE'RE KEEPING ALL THIS MONEY. YEAH, WELL, NO, BUT EFFECTIVELY THOUGH, THAT'S THE EFFECT OF IT. NO, IT'S EFFECTIVE, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE ACCUSING THEM OF DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T DO. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THAT NECESSARILY. IT IS A CLUNKY. IT IS A CLUNKY TRANSITION. RIGHT. WHEREVER YOUR HOUSE IS LOCATED ON JULY 1ST, JURISDICTIONALLY 11 MONTHS LATER, THAT'S THE ENTITY YOU PAY PROPERTY TAXES TO. SO BECAUSE THOSE PROPERTIES WERE IN THE COUNTY ON JANUARY 1ST, THIS NOVEMBER, THEY WILL PAY PROPERTY TAXES TO THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY WILL SERVE FOR 11 MONTHS. NO, WE GET THAT. THAT'S THE THING THOUGH, IS THAT THE COUNTY'S THE COUNTY'S JULY 1ST DETERMINES THAT FOR 11 MONTHS LATER. THAT SHOULD ALSO BE WHEN THE JANUARY 1ST I SAID JULY, JANUARY 1ST. SO IF THE PROPERTY IS IN THE COUNTY ON JANUARY 1ST, THE FOLLOWING NOVEMBER, THEY PAY PROPERTY TAXES TO THE COUNTY. SO THEN JANUARY 1ST, 2026 IS THE FIRST TAX ASSESSMENT DATE. THEY WILL BE IN WEST JORDAN CITY. THEN NOVEMBER OF 2026 IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY WILL PAY PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH MEANS THAT IF WE ANNEX THEM IN JULY OF 25, JULY OF 25, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE MONEY UNTIL JULY OF UNTIL NOVEMBER OF SIX. SO THAT MEANS WE GO THROUGH A WHOLE FISCAL YEAR PLUS PART OF THE THAT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S JUST FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR. IF I REGISTER MY CAR HERE IN UTAH AND THEN I MOVED TO ANOTHER STATE, I CAN GET A REFUND FOR THOSE MONTHS. SO HOW COME WE CAN'T DO THE SAME THING WITH THIS? SO IT'S THAT'S I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY. NOT IN THIS MEETING. WE HAVE LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY AND THIS IS ON OUR RADAR. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT WITH THEM TO SOLVE THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT A THAT IS A THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S A STATE LAW ISSUE NOT A COUNTY'S WISHES. YEAH. WE'LL JUST SEND A BILL TO THE THAT I KNOW. WE SEND A BILL TO THE COUNTY FOR SERVICES THAT THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING. YEAH BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY IT. I DON'T KNOW. THEY'VE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR IT. I TALKED TO A FEW PEOPLE ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL. I'VE GOT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP THERE. SURE. I'M SURE THE COUNTY WILL JUST GO.

YEAH. HERE ARE THE ONES WHO DO THE BUDGET. GO CHECK. RIGHT. ANYWAY. WE DON'T KNOW. SO. ALL RIGHT. SO ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT REVENUE OR THE GENERAL FUND PAGES? LET'S SEE.

GENERAL FUND. SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION. NOT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. JUST WHY ARE WE TRANSFERRING THE VEIL OF SERVICES FROM THE POLICE TO THE COURT? BECAUSE IT'S A COURT EXPENSE. AND THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY WERE UNDER POLICE IS BECAUSE PREVIOUS JUDICIAL.

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SO THANKS, JUDGE. SO COUNCIL COUNSEL OFFICE, BY THE WAY, ON PAGE WHILE I'M THINKING ABOUT IT A. I NEED TO GET THAT. ON PAGE TEN. YEAH WE HAVE WE HAVE. WE ALREADY AWARE. OH I KNOW I PUT THE WRONG JUDGE IN I AM SORRY. WELL AND HE'S ON AND WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT WE HAD ONE AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND ONE AS AN EXECUTIVE TERM. YEAH. OKAY. DIDN'T GET THAT FIXED. OKAY.

ANYTHING FOR THE COUNCIL OFFICE? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I BECAUSE I'M, I'VE BEEN DIVING THROUGH EACH SECTION JUST TO FIND ANY TO START SAVING, EVEN WITH A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, IF WE WERE TO SHIFT, WHICH I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO DO, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ON THE COST SAVINGS IF THERE IS, IF WE SHIFT TO A QUARTERLY DIGITAL NEWSLETTER INSTEAD OF MONTHLY, WHAT WOULD THERE BE A SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS? THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S TWICE A MONTH, NOT ONCE A MONTH, THAT'S WHAT. WELL, IF WE REDUCE THAT, I'M TALKING I'M JUST LOOKING FOR ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT WE SAVE MONEY ON IN ORDER THAT WILL BUILD UP. AND THAT'S ONE OF THEM, THAT POTENTIAL SAVINGS. BUT THEN PROTECTION FOR RESIDENTS? YES AND NO. MAURICE MARIE'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU THERE. THERE WOULD BE NO COST SAVINGS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING FOR THE PLATFORM ITSELF. SO IT'S BETTER. YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE I JUST KNOW SOME OF THESE NOW, EMAIL SOFTWARE PROGRAMS ARE NICKEL AND DIMING YOU EVERY TIME YOU TRY TO DO MORE AND MORE STUFF. SO I DON'T KNOW IF REDUCING THAT WOULD SAVE POTENTIAL MONEY. YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BECAUSE WE ALSO SEND OUT INFORMATION TO DISTRICTS DEPENDING ON LIKE CONSTRUCTION ANNOUNCEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S NOT THE PROGRAM ISN'T JUST USED FOR NEWSLETTERS. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK OKAY.

OKAY. SO NO QUESTIONS ON THE COUNCIL BUDGET AT ALL. OKAY. THIS IS OFFICE DIRECTOR GUY.

WE'RE SPECIAL. WHERE IS HE? SHALL WE MOVE ON TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE? BUDGET FIRST. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MY COMMENT IS JUST WHAT ARE WE DOING? I WAS SURPRISED, I GUESS I WAS SURPRISED ON PAGE 71 TO SEE THE RESIDENTS WHO WERE SATISFIED WITH THE PROFESSIONALISM AND COURTESY OF CITY EMPLOYEES, DROPPED FROM 72 TO 65. I WAS SURPRISED TO DO WE LIKE DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT OCCURRED? WHAT ARE WE DOING TO REVERSE IT? WE'RE DOING THE NEWSLETTER BI WEEKLY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP. THE PROFESSIONALISM AND COURTESY OF EMPLOYEES. I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A PEOPLE CALL IN. WHO'S RESPONDING TO A QUESTION. SO WE ARE DOING SOMETHING TO HELP WITH THAT. ONE OF THEM IS AND ALLENSWORTH IS, WE HAD A RESIDENT CALLED AND IT WAS BLIND AND HAD PUSHED 2 OR 3 ON THE PHONE. YEAH. SO WE'RE MAKING, YOU KNOW, LITTLE THINGS THAT MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE. WE'RE MAKING IT SO THEY CAN EITHER ZERO OR STAY ON THE PHONE AND GET A REAL HUMAN. YES, I LOVE THAT. SO I THINK THAT'LL HELP. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN YOU PULL UP TO THE DRIVE THROUGH AT MCDONALD'S AND THE WINDOW SAYS THERE'S A BRAILLE MENU AVAILABLE, YOU LIKE THAT OR YOU GO TO THE BETTER ONE THOUGH, THE BETTER ONE IS WHEN YOU GO TO THE DELTA CENTER AND YOU GO PAST THE REFEREE LOCKER ROOM AND THE REFEREES, IT SAYS OFFICIALS ROOM, AND IT'S IN BRAILLE. THERE'S AN IRON REFEREE. ALL RIGHT. WHAT'S THE NEXT SECTION IN PUBLIC AFFAIRS? I'M SORRY. DID DID ADAM GO ON HERE? ADAM IS IN PUBLIC AFFAIRS. OKAY. SO HE'S ONE OF THE. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE PUBLIC AFFAIRS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WHAT'S THE. WE'RE GOING FROM 3 TO 5. ONE OF THOSE IS ADAM IN PUBLIC AFFAIRS. YES, WE ARE IN THAT 3 TO 5 IN OUR LAST 3 TO 5, WE ADDED ANOTHER PERSON. THAT'S RIGHT. WE ADDED THIS I DON'T. AGAIN. YEAH. AND

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WELL THAT'S JUST A PROJECTION. WE DON'T KNOW REALLY WHERE THAT IS. OBVIOUSLY. WHY WHY ARE WE BEING PESSIMISTIC THEN. BECAUSE WE WANT TO UNDERPROMISE AND OVERPERFORM. OKAY. AND I HAMMERED THAT INTO MY STAFF. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION. I'VE ASKED IT HONESTLY.

DELINQUENCY IS HELD BECAUSE WE'RE HOLDING THE POLICY. AND I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR TYLER BECAUSE THAT'S NOT EASY TO DO. SO I APOLOGIZE, COUNCILMEMBER GREEN. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. I'M MASKED BEFORE, BUT I'LL ASK AGAIN. WE HAVE NOT SEEN AS REQUIRED BY CITY CODE, THE ACCOUNTS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN OFF. DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO ACCOUNTS WRITTEN OFF? OKAY, NO. WE SEND THEM LIKE WE DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS TO GET THEM TO COLLECTIONS, INCLUDING LEANING PROPERTY TAXES, THEIR INCOME TAXES. SO WE GO THROUGH THE STATE TAX COMMISSION TO LEAN OR I'M SORRY, INCOME TAX. THAT DOESN'T WORK. THEN WE CAN LEAN PROPERTY TAX NEXT SO WE CAN WORK WITH OUR COUNTY TO DO THAT. AND THEN FINAL LIKE IF WE CAN'T FIND THEM ANYWHERE THEY'VE LEFT THE STATE. WE GO TO BONNEVILLE COLLECTIONS. AND IF THEY CAN'T COLLECT IT, THEY PAY US. THEY JUST THEY PAY US FOR THAT ACCOUNT. OUR BONNEVILLE PAYING. IS THEY PAYING FOR THE ACCOUNT? NO, THEY DON'T PAY FOR THE ACCOUNT. BUT THEY DO GIVE US WHATEVER THEY COLLECT WHEN THEY TRY. BUT THEN THAT MEANS SOMETHING'S WRITTEN OFF. WE'RE NOT WRITING ANYTHING OFF BECAUSE IT'S STILL OURS. WE OWNED IT. WE STILL OWN IT. HOLD IT. YEAH, WE HOLD IT ON THE BOOKS. WE HOLD IT ON THE BOOKS. IT'S DELINQUENT. SO IT'S $500. WE GIVE IT TO BONNEVILLE. THEY ONLY RECOVER 200, SO WE STILL HOLD 300 ON THE BOOKS. YOU'RE RIGHT. NO, WE DO CLOSE THE ACCOUNT. AND THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE WRITING IT OFF, WRITING IT OFF. AND WE'RE NOT GETTING THE REPORT OF WHAT WAS BEEN WRITTEN OFF. WE WILL WORK ON THAT. YOU'RE RIGHT. ARE WE? WE GET ONE BONNEVILLE CHECK EVERY YEAR, BUT WE'RE STILL. WHAT'S OUR OVERTIME LOOK LIKE? THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DIVE INTO ON OUR ON THIS. WHAT IS IT? DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OVERTIME. DO WE HAVE OVER MY DEPARTMENT OR OVERALL OVERALL, I MEAN NOT I'M NOT COUNTING EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW. JUST LIKE ADMIN ADMIN OVERTIME THEY DON'T COUNT. YEAH I DON'T HAVE ANY OVERTIME. YOU DON'T. OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS. I DIDN'T SEE IT IN HERE. SO I WAS JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THAT OKAY. WE USE COMP TIME INSTEAD. SO WE TELL OUR EMPLOYEES IF WE NEED THEM TO WORK OVER, THEN THEY GET OVERTIME IN THE TIME OF TAKE OFF. MORE TIME LATER. THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOUR YOUR SALARY.

I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO WORK AT WHATEVER IT IS. WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY, ISN'T IT? I KNOW IT IS. LET'S SAY LIKE WE HAVE A BUSY EVENT SEASON. ARE WE CROSS TREATING CERTAIN ADMIN PEOPLE TO LIKE, HELP OUT WITH EVENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? OKAY, YES, OUR PASSPORT AND CUSTOMER SERVICE STAFF ARE ALL HANDS ON DECK DURING WESTERN STAMPEDE, AND THEN WE ROTATE PEOPLE OFF SO THEY DON'T GET. YEAH, COMING FROM CONFERENCES, PEOPLE ARE BLOWN AWAY AT HOW MUCH OUR CITY ACTUALLY HELPS OUT. WE HAVE LIKE EVERY DIVISION, LIKE THEY WERE JEALOUS OF WHAT WE TOLD THEM, HOW WE RUN THIS AND HOW WE. YEAH, THEY ACTUALLY AND I'VE BEEN BLOWN AWAY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. SO I WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT CROSS TRAINING BECAUSE I THINK THAT HELPS SAVE SO MUCH MONEY. YEAH. WE JUST DON'T PAY THE LAWYERS TO CONSERVE CODES. OKAY.

WE DID THAT. WE DID THAT ONE YEAR. YEAH, WE DID OUR TIME. BUT NO, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE REPORTS ON THAT BECAUSE WE SHOULD SEE AND KNOW THAT THIS CROSS TRAINING IS SAVING THE CITY THIS MUCH MONEY AND OVERTIME, THAT SORT OF THING. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THAT KIND OF INPUT. AWESOME. YEAH, NOT JUST FOR US, BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS TOO. TO UNDERSTAND LIKE THIS IS ONE WAY OUR CITY IS SAVING YOU TAX DOLLARS. ABSOLUTELY. AND HE CAN MAKE A VIDEO. YEAH. SHOULD WE PUT THE BIWEEKLY. ARE YOU. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS

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CASH DISCOUNT. YOU COULDN'T PUT YOUR CREDIT CARD SURCHARGE. I THOUGHT THEY CHANGED THAT TO ALLOW A CREDIT CARD SURCHARGE. THEY MAY. THEY MAY HAVE. REGARDLESS THOUGH I THINK FOR A CUSTOMER SERVICE STANDPOINT, IT'S BEST TO JUST WORK IT INTO ALL THE FEES AND JUST LEAVE IT THERE. YOU SEE, I AND THAT WAY NOBODY, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU PAY, EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME PRICE. YEAH, THE COST FOR US ARE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S SOCIALIZED ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS. I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT. IT'S A BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE IS THAT IF WE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE COLLECTING FEES AND WE NEED TO COLLECT THE CREDIT CARD FEE AND LET'S TACK IT ON TO THE COST OF THE FEE. YEAH. ESPECIALLY IF IT'S MORE THAN, I MEAN, MOST 50 OR 60 OR 70% OF THE PAYMENTS.

YOU GO INTO WALMART AND EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME PRICE AT WALMART. AND THE WALMART DOESN'T GIVE YOU A WALMART DOESN'T GIVE YOU A CASH DISCOUNT FOR PAYING IT. AND IN FACT, IF I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH MY RETAIL STORE WHEN WE RAN, THAT I WOULD MUCH RATHER GET THE CREDIT CARD COLLECTION FEES THAN CASH BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT EMPLOYEES STEALING CASH NOW. THEY MAY NOT RUN IT THROUGH THE MACHINE, RIGHT? BUT I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE CASH COUNTING PROCEDURES BECAUSE GIVE IT TO THE BANK OR EVERYTHING ELSE. YES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONVENIENCE FEES, I'D RATHER SEE THEM TACKED ON TO THE PLACES WHERE WE'RE CHARGING AND ADD THAT 2%, 3% TO THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE AND COVER THOSE COSTS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO IT ANY OTHER WAY. I HAD A FUNNY LITTLE THING WITH MY THEATER. WE STARTED GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, LITTLE CREDIT CARDS TO ALMOST ALL CREDIT CARDS. SO WE RAISED OUR PRICES UP JUST A LITTLE BIT TO COVER THAT. AND ACROSS THE BOARD, AND I'VE HAD MANY PEOPLE SAY, I'M SO GRATEFUL YOU DON'T CHARGE A CREDIT CARD FEE. YEAH.

I'M LIKE, YEAH, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T. THE ADDITIONAL FEE IS A BAD OPTIC. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, BECAUSE THE ONE GUY WHO SHOWS UP WITH $100 FINE, RIGHT. HE'S GOT A $5 CONVENIENCE CHARGE ON THERE OR WHATEVER, HE GOES, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE ME PAY YOU A MORE FINE TO PAY YOUR FINE? YOU'RE CHARGING ME FOR PAYING THE DEBT THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO PAY, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND FINES. WE SHOULDN'T BE CHARGING ACROSS. IT JUST COMES ACROSS. BUT, YEAH, I THINK WE'VE GOT A TIP ON THAT. THEY CAN ADD A TIP. WE JUST HAVE A LITTLE SCREEN THAT RAISES UP.

HERE'S $100. FINE. YOU FLIP OVER, YOU KNOW, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO CLICK TO ADD. DON'T WANT TO TIP. IT ON YOUR ON YOUR NON-DEPARTMENTAL ACCORDING TO ALLEN, IS THE NEXT ONE NON-DEPARTMENTAL AND DEBT. OH YEAH ALLEN IS RIGHT ALLEN IS DRIVING ME HERE. SO NON-DEPARTMENTAL. THAT'S A LOT OF THE SOFT COST TO SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO. I REMEMBER 12. YEP. CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I DON'T SEE IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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YEAH, BECAUSE I HAD THAT QUESTION TOO. THEN IT GOES UP TO 12. BACK TO SIX. THEN I DON'T I KNOW WE HAD THE DISCUSSION THAT I CAN'T IT'S BECAUSE THAT YOU DIDN'T GIVE THEM 6000, 6000 FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR INCREASE TO 12. OKAY. IT'S BEEN SIX. THERE WAS A YEAR THEY DIDN'T COLLECT.

WE WOULD TELL THAT THEY DIDN'T. WELL, THEY DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. NOT THAT I KNOW THAT WAS A DIFFERENT ACTUAL. THERE WAS A YEAR WE DIDN'T PAY THEM, AND WE ENDED UP PAYING THEM TWO FISCAL YEARS WORTH IN ONE FISCAL YEAR. THAT'S WHY I BUMPED TO 12 IN ACTUALS.

OKAY. WE DIDN'T INCREASE IT. IT'S BEEN SINCE. SORRY. WE HAVE TO THINK WE'RE GETTING OUR MONEY'S ON YOUR ACTUAL HAS ZERO. YEAH I DON'T I STILL I STILL DON'T AGREE WITH THAT 6000 SUCH A SMALL IS TOO LOW OKAY I HAMLET FEELS LIKE I DO. PROBABLY. WE'RE NOT SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING OUR VALUE OUT OF IT. OUT OF THAT. I'LL SAY THAT ON RECORD, BUT I DO LIKE WE HAVE MUSEUMS. I WILL SAY THAT IF IT VANISHED AND WENT AWAY, NOBODY, NOBODY WOULD NOTICE EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE BUSINESS CENTER. HARKIN AND SENATOR HARKIN, I WOULD NOTICE ON TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS FROM 3 TO 5, EXCEPT WE'VE TRIED TO SHOW UP WHEN THEY SAID THEY'RE OPEN AND CALLED AND THEY STILL WEREN'T THERE. YEAH, THAT'S I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE. ARE YOU A NON-DEPARTMENTAL? YES. THE EMPLOYEE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE. WE'RE GOING FROM 80 TO 70. IS THAT BECAUSE IT WASN'T USED? NO, NOT AT ALL. IT'S THAT WE WRITE OFF ONE QUARTER OF WHATEVER LOANS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS. WE CAN CARRY 15 LOANS WITH THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY I'M ASKING FOR. OKAY, THEN THEN HERE'S HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S THE HERE'S THE BIG QUESTION FOR ME. WE'RE PUTTING UP ELECTIONS WITH THE $275,000 EXPENSE FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. WOULD IT BE BETTER IF WE USED THAT $275,000 OUT OF ONE TIME EXPENSE? THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT, ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR GENERAL FUND PAGE, I PUT IT IN THE ONE TIME EXPENSE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE HERE THAT IS PART OF ONGOING EXPENSES. IT'S JUST PART OF NON-DEPARTMENTAL LIKE THERE. WE DON'T HAVE A ONE TIME EXPENSE LINE, SO TO SPEAK. BUT ON YOUR SUMMARY PAGE OF WHATEVER THAT PAGE IS ON YOUR SUMMARY PAGE. ON PAGE 59, YOU'LL SEE THAT ELECTIONS IS ON LINE 30. I THINK IT'S PAGE 59. OKAY. SO IT'S ON ONE TIME. YES. OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S A THAT'S SO SMART BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I DID TOO. I'M LIKE I THINK THIS IS ONE TIME BECAUSE IT ONLY COMES EVERY OTHER YEAR. YEAH. IT'S ON PAGE 60. YEAH. I JUST DON'T WANT TO BUILD INTO I DON'T WANT TO BUILD IT EITHER. YEAH. OKAY. DEBT. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON DEBT? WE HARDLY HAVE ANY. IT'S JUST THE RENT FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING WHICH GOES TO THE MDA, WHICH YOU ALREADY APPROVED, THE MDA BUDGET. OH, BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS YEAR'S FREE ON OUR PARKING LOT, RIGHT. THIS YEAR.

WHAT? WE DON'T HAVE A PARKS BOND PAYMENT. WE JUST ISSUED A BIG PARK SPAWNED A BIG OH WE THAT'S PAID OUT OF THE CIP AND PARKING. OKAY. IT IS STILL DEBT. IT IS DEBT. JUST NOT IN THE GENERAL FUND. OKAY. NEXT IS IT. OH IT OKAY. IT. WAS PAGE 236. THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE SOFTWARE THAT WE'VE REQUESTED IS BUDGETED ONLY SOFTWARE THAT WE THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IS THE AXON ONE IMPLEMENTATION COSTS ARE ONE TIME COSTS. AND WE'RE ASKING TO USE RESERVES FOR THOSE IMPLEMENTATION COSTS. AND THEN ANNUAL PAYMENTS WILL BE DISTRIBUTED BASED ON WHO THE USERS ARE. SO IT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS AND DIFFERENT FUNDS DEPENDING ON WHO USES THE SOFTWARE. AND IS 15 K ENOUGH FOR YOUR SOFTWARE? IT IS. YEAH. WE'VE GOTTEN QUOTES

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NO, THERE'S NO DUMB QUESTIONS. WHEN IS THE WATER APP GOING TO BE PUT OUT? AS SOON AS WE IMPLEMENT THIS. WE ACTUALLY CONTACTED THE TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE, THE CITIZENS TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE. THEY'RE MEETING TO REEVALUATE THE SOFTWARE RFP, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE. THERE'S SEVERAL THERE'S A FEW SYSTEMS OUT THERE WE'VE IDENTIFIED ONE THAT WE KNOW WILL BE A PREMIUM PACKAGE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS BUDGET IS, IS PREPARED WITH. BUT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS. SO WE'RE STARTING THIS NOW ASSUMING THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT. WE BELIEVE THAT THE WATER IMPLEMENTATION WILL TAKE.

THEY'RE TELLING US BETWEEN NINE MONTHS AND A YEAR AND THEN WE'LL ROLL OUT THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY ON MY PHONE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. IT IS VERY PROBLEMATIC. WE'VE BEEN TRYING IT FOR. I'M GOING TO DISAGREE. I'M TRYING. IT WORKS. I'M GOING TO DISAGREE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR FOUR YEARS OF TRYING TO GET THE WATER APP OUT. WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE ARMY AND THEN IT'S. YEAH, WE I GET THAT THAT THE UTILITY BILL IS DIFFICULT TO MATCH UP WITH THE STUFF TO MAKE THE APP WORK, BUT NOT ONCE HAVE WE HIT ANYBODY ASKED, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED A PART TIME EMPLOYEE TO HELP WITH THIS. LET'S GET IT DONE. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE WAITING. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT IT APPEARS TO ME IS WE'RE DOING READY, AIM, FIRE. AND WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DO IT UNTIL WE'RE PERFECT. AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY YOU MANAGE AN ORGANIZATION. IT'S READY. FIRE! AIM! SHOOT. FIND THE TARGET. AND THEN ONCE YOU'VE NARROWED IT IN FIRE FOR EFFECT, IT JUST BECAUSE ONE OF THE ONE OF THE THINGS OUT OF THE UTAH LEGISLATURE AND IT WAS A HIGHLIGHT THIS YEAR, WAS WHAT THINGS DO YOU HAVE TO CONSERVE WATER? AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REQUIRED BY A BILL IN 2022 OR 2023 WAS A SMART WATER APP, AND WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE SMART WATER APP. AND NOW WE'RE SAYING NO, IT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. HOW WILL THIS SOFTWARE THAT YOU'RE WANTING VERSUS WHAT THE APP THAT I ALREADY HAVE, HOW IS IT GOING TO BE BETTER? BUT IT'S FAR BETTER. YEAH. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS THAT DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER VERY WELL, WHICH IS WHY IT'S PROBLEMATIC WHEN WE GO TO THIS NEW SYSTEM, IT'LL STILL BE TWO SYSTEMS THAT HAVE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT THREE, AND WE'RE CONFIDENT THEY'LL WORK TOGETHER. CAN WE SPEED UP? ONCE WE IDENTIFY THIS STUFF? ONCE WE IDENTIFY THE SOFTWARE, WHICH WE'LL DO IN THE NEXT. DO WE HAVE A DATE? SORRY, ROB, I SHOULD KNOW THIS. NOT YET. ROB BENNETT IS SERVING ON OUR TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE. HERE'S OUR WATER GUY. THERE'S OUR WATER GUY. SO ONCE WE IDENTIFY THE SOFTWARE, WE'LL BRING IT IN FOR YOU SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT I SAT THROUGH ONE OF THE DEMOS AND IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. AND WILL IT HAVE AN ALARM FOR IF KELVIN FORGETS TO TURN HIS WATER OFF? YES. OH, THAT'LL BE GOOD FOR KELVIN. YES. IT'S LIKE AN ALL IN ONE APP. LIKE YOU'RE SEEING YOUR BILLING HISTORY, YOUR WATER USE HISTORY. YOU CAN PAY ON THE APP. YOU CAN. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE TWO SYSTEMS. WHY CAN'T IT JUST BE ONE SYSTEM THAT HASN'T HAD. WELL, YOU HAVE THE UTILITY BILLING SYSTEM AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ARMY RADIO SYSTEM. THOSE TWO HAVE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. HARMONY. I'M JUST I'M JUST FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE IF THE TECHNOLOGY WAS THE ISSUE, WE COULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO. NEVER MIND. I'LL GET OFF MY SOAPBOX. GOOD NIGHT. YOUR QUESTION TO YOUR POINT IS VALID IS THAT IF IT'S TRICKY, WHAT MAKES IT LESS TRICKY? OR IF IT'S TAKING A LOT OF TIME, WHAT CAN MAKE IT GO FASTER? NOW, AT THIS POINT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO A NEW UTILITY BILLING SOFTWARE, IT WOULD BE CONFUSING TO A RESIDENT

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INTEGRATOR POSITION BEING POSTED. HOW MUCH IS THAT IT INTEGRATOR GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH THINGS THAT COULD HELP THE CITY, LIKE MICROSOFT POWER APP AND PUTTING DATA IN THE POWER APPS AND EXTRACTING THAT DATA. AND THEN THE QUESTION LEADS, IF WE HAVE THE DATA IN POWER APPS, ARE WE ARE WE GETTING THIS INTEGRATOR OR SOMETHING SO THAT WE KNOW HOW TO USE POWER BI? WE DON'T HAVE ANY SUBSCRIPTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR POWER BI. ARE WE GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH POWER BI SO THAT WE CAN GET THE REPORTS WE NEED? WE HAVE ALL THIS DATA, RIGHT? WE GOT WE GOT THIS UNIVERSE DATA. SOME OF IT'S IN AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, SOME OF IT'S IN CITY WORKS, SOME OF IT'S SOME. AND I WONDER HOW MANY SPREADSHEETS, THE 500, THE 607 HUNDRED EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY HAVE. AND WE NEED THAT. WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT POWER APPS, POWER POWER AUTOMATE AND POWER BI. SO IT'S JUST A QUESTION. IT'S NOT PART OF THE BUDGET, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT TO START USING THOSE MICROSOFT TOOLS THAT WE HAVE TO WE ARE ACTUALLY USING. IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY BRANDED POWER BI, BUT WE'RE USING A SYSTEM CALLED INFORMER THAT WILL DO EXACTLY AS YOU'RE ASKING, LINK INTO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AND THEN PULL THE DATA TOGETHER. WE JUST HAVE ONLY HAD IT FOR A YEAR. SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO LIKE FIGURE OUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK. BUT WITH OUR NEW ERP SYSTEM, IT COMES WITH A LOT OF THE POWER BI AND REPORTING OPPORTUNITIES. AND THAT'S THAT'S MY QUESTION IS IF WE'RE USING INFORMER, I GUESS FOLLOW ON QUESTION. IF WE'RE USING INFORMER AND IT'S DRIFTING TOWARDS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD AS POWER BI. YEAH. WHY ARE WE CONTINUING TO USE INFORMER AND WHY DON'T WE SWITCH TO POWER BI

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AND I GOT TO LEARN IT TOO. EVERYBODY AND THEIR DOG WANTS TO WANTS TO USE YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING. ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFIED IN ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE IDENTIFIED WORKDAY AS ONE OF THE SYSTEMS THAT WILL SUPPORT OUR CITY. OKAY, JOSH.

THANK YOU. JOSH. JOSH. OKAY. LEGAL SERVICES LEGAL. YEAH, I LIKE THAT IDEA. LET ME DO MY BEST. MY ATTORNEYS ARE NOT. CHIEF. I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE KIND OF A SPEECH AT THE BEGINNING OR LIKE, JUST ANSWER OR RESPOND TO QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WORRIED YOU ARE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY. HOW ABOUT WE JUST ASK YOU QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I'M READY FOR MY FIRST QUESTION IS. WE ADOPTED A BUDGET OF 139 K AND WE'RE BACK DOWN TO 52. WHAT WAS THE 139 K FOR? IS THAT WAS THAT FOR. MY GUESS IS THAT WOULD BE THE 90,000 FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. DENISE IS RECOMMENDATION. WE'VE MOVED THAT FROM THE LEGAL BUDGET INTO THE RISK MANAGEMENT BUDGET. THERE WAS AN AMOUNT THAT WE HAD ALLOCATED THERE SO THAT MY OFFICE COULD LOOK TO OUTSIDE LEGAL HELP FOR PROJECTS THAT WERE JUST REQUIRED, THAT WE STILL HAVE THOSE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR US. THEY'RE JUST BEING ACCOUNTED FOR IN RISK RATHER THAN LEGAL AND USING RISK RESERVES BECAUSE THEY'RE WHAT IF COST VERSUS BUILDING IT SIMILAR TO ELECTIONS. RIGHT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE NOT A CONSISTENT COST. SO IT'S RARE YOU SPENT THE MONEY. THAT MONEY WAS SPENT ON JODY. RIGHT? WHEN WE DID THE WHOLE LAND USE THING. SO THEN IT WAS BUILT INTO THE BUDGET AS AN ONGOING EXPENSE. WELL, YOU DON'T NEED THAT ONGOING EXPENSE. IT'S A EVERY NOW AND THEN WE NEED LEGAL EXPENSES. SO WE PUT IT INTO THE RISK MANAGEMENT AND IT'LL USE RISK RESERVES TO SUPPORT IT SO THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO IDENTIFY AN ONGOING SOURCE. DO YOU GUYS LIKE LET'S SAY FOR RECURRING LAND USE OR AIR CASES. DO YOU DO YOU NEGOTIATE A RETAINER OR DO YOU STILL DO HOURLY CONTRACTS, OR IS THERE WIGGLE ROOM TO WORK ON THAT? NOT POSSIBLY SAVE MONEY. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO DURING MY TENURE. AND SO IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP, WE'D BE JUST DEALING WITH IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT, ATTORNEY, FOR THE RIGHT SITUATION, RIGHT LAW FIRM FOR THE RIGHT MATTER.

AND SO IT WOULD JUST BE A RETAINER, FOR THAT MATTER, IS WHAT I WOULD EXPECT. OKAY, OKAY.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE 10-K DROPPING OUT SO YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY OVERTIME AT ALL IN THE PROSECUTION OFFICE? NO. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE SOME REAL STRIDES TOWARDS SAVINGS IN THAT AREA. OUR STAFF IS DOING A GREAT JOB. WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE IN THERE WHO HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF GETTING THINGS DONE WITHIN THE TIME THAT I HAVE, ANTICIPATING A LOT FEWER CRIME, THIS YEAR. GOOD TO SEE YOU CROSS-TRAIN YOUR INTERNAL STAFF AND CERTAIN THINGS LIKE CONTRACT REVIEWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WITH THE ATTORNEYS, WE HAVE A LOT OF COLLABORATION THAT HAPPENS. EACH OF THE ATTORNEYS IN THE OFFICE HAS HAVE A SET OF SPECIFIC ASSIGNMENTS THAT ARE THEIRS. BUT WE WORK TOGETHER ON ON A LOT OF THINGS. AND SO THEY'RE EFFICIENCIES THAT COME WITH THAT. WITH THE REST OF THE STAFF. THE PROSECUTION STAFF TEND TO BE PRETTY SPECIFIC IN WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. WE DO HAVE TANA SHEPHERD, WHO'S THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT FOR THE OFFICE. SHE HELPS ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, PARTIALLY BECAUSE SHE'S GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR HER TO DO FOR HER TO DO THAT. BUT THEN ALSO JUST BECAUSE SHE'S A FANTASTIC PERSON WHO DOES REALLY GREAT WORK AND IS WILLING TO TAKE ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS. SO THANKS TO TANA'S EFFORTS, WE WERE ABLE TO USE HER IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES. NOW I'M GOING TO ASK A REALLY STUPID QUESTION AGAIN ON PAGE 92. PAGE 92.

QUESTION. I'M A STUDENT PERSON, SO I'M ON PAGE 92. IN THE PERFORMANCE AND WORKLOAD MEASURES, THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC, THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC CASES RESOLVED WAS ONLY 580. YEAH. IS THAT A TYPO? THAT'S GOT TO BE A TYPO. I CAN I CAN CONFIRM WITH CASEY TAYLOR JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE RIGHT. I DON'T I THINK IT'S MORE THAN FIVE 100% CONFIDENT THAT THAT IS NOT TRUE.

BUT YOU KNOW IT'S ONE OF THOSE A LITTLE MORE LIKE AWAY THAN THAT. YEAH. I'M YOUR PROPERTY

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AND THIS ISN'T BUILDING PROJECTS. THIS IS JUST PROPERTY ACQUISITION. RIGHT. THAT'S THE PORTION OF IT THAT HE RELATES TO. YEAH, WE MADE A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE YEARS AGO JUST BECAUSE OF DAVE'S LIMITED. I MEAN, HE'S THE ONE MAN BAND, RIGHT? HE DOES QUITE A BIT. AND A LOT OF OUR CIP, CIP PROJECTS IN THE PAST RELIED SOLELY ON DAVE TO DO PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS. NOW, LIKE 1300 WEST HAS PROPERTY ACQUISITION AGENT AND DAVE IS JUST A SUPPORTIVE ROLE TO THAT EXTENT, THE PRIMARY ROLE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS ANY EFFECT ON THOSE NUMBERS. SOME OF THESE PERFORMANCE MEASURES ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE MEASURING DAVE'S PERFORMANCE. DAVE AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CHALLENGE OF COMING UP WITH PERFORMANCE MEASURES, AND HOW HE FELT LIKE THESE WERE NOT NECESSARILY CAPTURING THE WORK THAT HE DOES. WE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO COME UP WITH DIFFERENT METRICS THAT WE CAN BE USING GOING FORWARD, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT FOR THIS YEAR. FOR JUST PERFORMANCE MEASURES. YEAH.

THE CHALLENGE THAT DAVE FACES IS THAT THESE ARE NOT HIS PROJECTS, RIGHT. THEY'RE SUPPORTING OTHER PROJECTS. AND SO HE PLAYS A ROLE IN WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. BUT HE DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE CONTROL OVER THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING MEASURED. AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE PERFORMANCE AND WORKLOAD MEASURES OUGHT TO BE WHAT PROPERTY ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT TIED TO OTHER THINGS.

AND SO, HONESTLY, IF WE'RE GETTING READY TO PREPARE THE FINAL BUDGET, I WOULD RATHER IF I'D RATHER REMOVE IT AND ELIMINATE IT UNTIL WE CAN, BECAUSE SOMEBODY LOOKS AT THIS AND SAYS, OKAY, IF WE KNOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH A TRANSITION, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO LET'S LET'S JUST REMOVE LET'S JUST REMOVE THIS OR ADD TO BE ADDED LATER OR SOMETHING SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IT. BUT IF IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, NOBODY ELSE BUT US READS THIS, BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE DID, WE DON'T WANT HIM TO BE CONFUSED. RIGHT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. BONNIE DOES. RHONDA MIGHT TO. HONESTLY, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T FOR THESE EXACT REASONS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE METRICS UNDERNEATH. DAVE. IN THE LAST THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. IT'S JUST SO HARD TO TYPE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS DOWN. AND IF THERE ARE SOME WORKLOADS WHERE WORKLOAD OR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, THEN WE OUGHT TO DO THOSE. BUT YOU KNOW, SOME FUNCTIONS ARE JUST AREN'T. YOU KNOW, IT'S CHALLENGING PROPERTIES CLOSED IN ESCROW IN 22 DAYS. YOU KNOW, THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GREAT MEASUREMENT TO ME. YEAH, BUT I REALLY WANT TO KNOW FROM YOU, JOSH, IS WHAT IS THE SAVINGS FROM ALL THE WINES THAT PATRICK'S TAKING OUT FOR US? CONSIDERABLE. I WOULD PUT IT I

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YEAH. BUT I THINK THEY'RE ALSO TRACKING THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING BETTER. AND SO WE'RE SEEING MORE ACCURATE REFLECTION OF THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING THAN WE HAD IN THE PAST. THEY ARE WORKING VERY. THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED I'M WORRIED THAT LIKE WHERE THIS IS GOING AND WHAT THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY IS THIS SUSTAINABLE? I, I SAY IN A NOTE, YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW THEY WOULD WELCOME ADDITIONAL HELP AND I WAS I JUST IT WAS JUST A CONCERN OF MINE. OBVIOUSLY I'M LIKE GOING THROUGH THIS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO SAVE MONEY. BUT THIS ONE WORRIES ME. AND I KNOW THERE WAS AN EMAIL WHEN THE FEDERAL WAS BUDGET WAS CUT, THAT VICTIM ADVOCATES WAS A BIG PART OF THAT CUT. HOW IS THAT AFFECTING US? THERE WILL BE IMPACTS. FEDERAL FUNDING IS NOT GOING TO BE COMING IN IN THE WAY THAT IT HAS IN THE PAST, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT, TRYING TO SAVE SAVING THE DEPARTMENT SO THAT THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE WORK THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON IS TRYING TO IMPROVE OUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, SO THAT THE DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING SPENT IN THE OFFICE GO FARTHER. WE HAVE NOT HAD GOOD SUCCESS WITH THAT IN THE PAST FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. I'M OPTIMISTIC ABOUT WHAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO GOING FORWARD WITH IT, BUT BUT THERE IS MORE WORK THAN THAN CAN BE DONE RIGHT NOW, IS THERE? AND I'M JUST THIS IS JUST PART OF MY BRAINSTORMING. AND THIS MIGHT MAYBE A CROSS TRAINING WITH SOMETHING IN THE FIRE SIDE WHERE THERE'S A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAINED IN THAT MENTAL HEALTH AND THAT VICTIM ADVOCATES WHERE THEY CAN EVEN CROSS TRAIN AND HELP EACH OTHER OUT TO SAVE ON THIS. I MEAN, I'M JUST SPITBALLING. THIS IS JUST BRAINSTORMING, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD AND FIGURING OUT, SO WE'RE NOT PLAYING CATCH UP. SO WHERE ARE THE WE PARTNER WITH LOCAL SCHOOLS OR LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS OR SOMETHING. I JUST THAT JUST THAT NUMBER OF GROWTH IS JUST CONCERNING. YEAH. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VOLUNTEERISM, WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO PURSUE, LIKE THE COUNCIL'S GOING TO DO ONE OF THESE DAYS, BUT WE NEED TO PURSUE IF THERE ARE INTERNSHIPS PRECEPTORSHIPS FOR THE PEOPLE, FOR PEOPLE THAT WOULD. LIKE, WHETHER IT'S SOCIAL WORKERS OR ANYTHING, EVEN A CROSS TRAINING BETWEEN VICTIMS AND FIRE, THAT SORT OF THING. SO MATTRESSES. MY CONCERN IS IF THERE'S NUMBERS ON THE SAME LINE COMPARING PREVIOUS YEARS TO THIS YEAR, AND IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES, DON'T PUT THEM ON THE SAME WAY. SURE, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT LINE IS TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. YOU'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES WITH WORMS. AND IT SERVES NO PURPOSE, RIGHT? MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN BE THERE. SO. THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT, I GUESS, WOULD BE TO GO BACK IN THE PAST AND RECOUNT USING THE NEW METHODOLOGY IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. BUT. I JUST I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH EXTRA THESE FANCY PEOPLE, BECAUSE I FOUND THEM IN A DRAWER THAT DATE ON THEM IN 2004. OH. IS IT RYAN'S TURN? YES, IT'S RYAN TURN, JUSTICE COURT. IS OUR COOL. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH.

OTHER CLERKS WHO COMPLETED YEARLY WARRANT VALIDATION. WHY IS THERE CONSISTENTLY ONE THAT DOESN'T SIX OUT OF SEVEN, SIX OUT OF SEVEN. AND WE'RE PREDICTING ONLY SIX OUT OF SEVEN. SO IS THERE A REASON. SO THE NUMBER OF CLASSES THAT ARE COMPLETED. PAGE 96 YEARLY WARRANT VALIDATION WITHIN 90 DAYS OF RECEIPT. SURE. SO OUT OF THE SEVEN CLERKS THAT WE HAVE, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN CLERKS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO DO WARRANT VALIDATIONS. AND I IMAGINE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S COLLECTED. I MEAN, IF IT'S SIX OUT OF SEVEN EVERY TIME, WHAT I IMAGINE IS THAT THAT SEVENTH CLERK THAT ISN'T DOING THE WARRANT VALIDATION IS ACTUALLY THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR WHO'S COLLECTING ALL THE WARRANT VALIDATIONS FROM ALL THE OTHER CLERKS, BECAUSE WE HAVE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF WARRANTS EVERY YEAR. AND SO THEY CHOP UP AND DIVIDE ALL THE

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SO THEY ACTUALLY DIVIDE THOSE AMONGST MOST OF THE CLERKS. AND I IMAGINE THE SIX OUT OF SEVEN IS FOR THE FACT THAT WE COULD HAVE WE COULD HAVE SEVEN, WE COULD HAVE ALL SEVEN OF THE CLERKS ALL DOING WARRANT VALIDATIONS. BUT WE NEED SOMEBODY AT THE TOP THAT'S THEN COLLECTING ALL THE SORT OF THE GRUNT WORK OF DOING ALL THE ACTUAL VALIDATION. SO COLLECTING AND THEN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE ACTUALLY ENDS UP WITH ME. AND THEN I HAVE TO SIGN AND APPROVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE WORN OUT VALIDATIONS. I WOULD PROBABLY JUST ADD SOMETHING. IF I WERE PROVIDING THAT DATA, I'D ADD SOMETHING SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY'S CONSTANTLY NOT. AND AS FRESH AS I AM IN MY TENURE, I WISH I KNEW MORE ABOUT WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN FIGURE OUT IN THE FUTURE. MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MORE MUCH, AND I KNOW IT'S ONCE I'VE FALLEN SHORT. I REALLY I APOLOGIZE FOR MY FAILURE. DENISE, THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION FOR YOU. THE LEGAL THE LEGAL DEFENDER'S BUDGET IS IN NON-DEPARTMENTAL, BUT THE PERSON THAT APPOINTS THE PUBLIC DEFENDER. IS THIS MAN RIGHT HERE? YES, SIR. WHY WOULDN'T WE PUT THE LEGAL DEFENDER'S BUDGET IN THE JUSTICE COURT TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE COSTS, SO THAT WHEN IF WE HAVE A TAYLORSVILLE CASE, THAT THEN IF HE NEEDS TO APPOINT IT. SO LEGAL DEFENDER'S CONTRACT HAS TO BE NOT HELD BY THE COURT, CAN'T BE HELD BY THE COURT. IT ALSO CAN'T BE HELD BY THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE. CONFLICT OF INTEREST, CONFLICT OF INTEREST. SO IT'S MANAGED AND ADMINISTERED BY THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, BUT WE BUDGET FOR IT IN NON-DEPARTMENTAL. OKAY. WHEN WE MERGED WITH TAYLORSVILLE, WE ARE NOT AT THIS TIME. WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON MERGING PROSECUTION OR LEGAL DEFENSE. SO THOSE WILL REMAIN SEPARATE. OKAY. DO WE ARE SORRY, I'M TRYING TO REWARD THIS. DO WE RELY SOLELY ON MAILING OUT NOTICES FOR PAYMENTS AND FEES, OR ARE WE EXPANDING THAT TO BE MORE DIGITAL WITH&SMS AND CALLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WE DO. SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OF THE ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE IS SOMETHING CALLED MY CASE THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO ESSENTIALLY SIGN UP AND SORT OF A SIMILAR FASHION THAT ATTORNEYS WOULD. THEY SIGN UP FOR A DIGITAL NOTIFICATION ON THEIR CASES, IT ALLOWS THEM TO PAY ONLINE, ALLOWS THEM TO CHECK THEIR COURT DATES ONLINE, ALLOWS THEM TO RECEIVE NOTICES FROM THE COURT, ALLOWS THEM TO ACTUALLY FILE THINGS AS WELL WITH THE COURT. SO WE HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE BOTH BEING NOTIFIED BY MAIL. BUT IF PEOPLE ARE SIGNED UP THROUGH MY CASE, WE COULD ALSO NOTIFY THEM DIGITALLY THROUGH EMAIL.

THE TOUGH PART ABOUT THAT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO NOTIFY SOMEBODY OF A HEARING THAT A WARRANT MIGHT ISSUE IF THEY FAIL TO APPEAR, THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR SERVICE OF PROCESS FOR A HEARING THAT THE FAILURE TO APPEAR AT WOULD RESULT IN THEIR WARRANT ARE FAR MORE STRINGENT THAN WHAT WE CAN NOTIFY SOMEBODY THROUGH CONVENIENCE OF WHAT A DIGITAL PLATFORM WOULD LOOK LIKE. BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY SAY, SOMEBODY EMAIL THAT THEY USE TO SIGN UP FOR THE MY CASE NOTIFICATION OR, OR THEIR SPAM FILTER, SNAGS AND AUTOMATIC NOTIFICATION, THE COURT I ISSUE A WARRANT FOR THEIR ARREST. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. SO MY CASE WOULDN'T BE MY CASE WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER SYSTEMS WITH THE DISTRICT COURT OR ANYTHING WHERE IT WOULD BE AN IRV. OKAY. SO THEY THE EA SERVE THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM ALSO RELIES ON ATTORNEYS BEING. PART OF THAT CASE, AT LEAST AS I UNDERSTAND, SIR. AND SO THE ATTORNEY BEING ON THE OTHER END OF THAT, THERE'S A LOT MORE, I GUESS, SAFEGUARDS TO ENSURE THAT THAT SERVICE SERVICES ADEQUATE TO A DEGREE THAT THE RULES OF PROCEDURE REQUIRE, IF THE CONSEQUENCES FOR FAILURE TO RESPOND TO A PARTICULAR NOTICE OR THAT SEVERE. I KNOW I WORK FOR THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE FOR 6 OR 7 YEARS, AND I SERVED CRIMINAL CRIMINAL STUFF FOR 2 OR 3. AND YEAH, THE REQUIREMENTS. YEAH, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SERVICE RUN LONG AND RUN DEEP FOR WHAT COUNTS AND WHAT DOESN'T COUNT IN PERSON STUFF IS STILL A REQUIREMENT OR A RELATIVE.

SOMEBODY SUBPOENAS. IT'S IN PERSON, RIGHT? ONE I'D WANT IT TO BE. YEAH. AND ESPECIALLY IF

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THERE'S REALLY NO, NO TWO WAYS AROUND IT. IT'S IT IS REALLY NICE TO HAVE A JOB IN WHICH WHEN MY JOB IS ENTIRELY FOCUSED ON WHAT I DO ON THE BENCH, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUTSIDE OF WHAT WHAT I NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR, FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FRONT OF ME, IN CASES THAT HAPPEN IN FRONT OF ME ON THE BENCH. THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING ELSE. I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS IT IS UNBELIEVABLE. IT'S UNBELIEVABLE HOW GOOD THEY ARE. IT REALLY IS. I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT OF JUDGES THAT ARE FRIENDS, AND I HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE THAT ARE CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME SITUATION THAT I FIND MYSELF FORTUNATE TO BE IN. SO A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. YOU'RE GETTING GRILLED. YEAH, I KNOW I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN. OH, NO, IT'S I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE. LIKE YOU'RE IN THE YOU'RE THE WITNESS IN THE WITNESS. WELL, BEING CROSS-EXAMINED. I'M READY FOR IT. WE'VE BEEN AT THIS TABLE. YEAH. IT KIND OF FOLLOWS UP WITH KAITLYN'S QUESTION. AND IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS IN A BUDGET, SIX YEARS. SO I'M GLAD THAT WE SEE IT. IT'S THE LITTLE WORDS RIGHT DOWN IN OPERATIONS. SO I'M JUST GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE JUDGE PRO TEM PROGRAM. SURE. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET PAST SOME OTHER, OTHER WAYS PEOPLE CAN VOLUNTEER IN THE CITY AND THEY GET SOME TRAINING, BEING THE SMALL CLAIMS JUDGES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. MY LAST QUESTION THAT WAS THAT WAS MORE OF A STATEMENT THAN THE LAST QUESTION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE AFTER 20 YEARS, WHATEVER IT IS, WE FINALLY FINISHING THAT SECOND COURTROOM. WE'RE ALSO DOING SOME STUFF TO THE TO YOUR MAIN COURTROOM. YES. IS EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING ADEQUATE WITH RECORDING AND BECAUSE I, BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE TO RECORD THE STUFF BASED ON THE STATE STANDARD. THERE IS A UNENDING LIST OF SORT OF PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS, IT REQUIREMENTS. I MEAN, I KNOW FACILITIES HAS BEEN WORKING OVER AND ABOVE BECAUSE

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THAT WAS A FEW YEARS WHERE RECORDINGS WEREN'T WORKING AND ALL THAT OTHER KIND OF STUFF.

NO, WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE. WE HAVEN'T RUN INTO ANY ISSUES WITH IT. THEY'VE CROSS TRAINED ALL THE CLERKS ON HOW THE COURTROOM RECORDING WORKS, AS WELL AS A LOT OF THE IN COURT PROCESSES, JUST SO THAT IF WE DO RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A CLERK THAT'S OUT SICK OR SOMEBODY'S GOT TO COVER SOMETHING ELSE, IF WE DO NEED TO BRING IN ONE OF THE OTHER CLERKS THAT'S NOT REGULARLY IN THE COURTROOM. WE'RE NOT RUNNING ANY ISSUES WITH THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE SURE ARE CORRECT, LIKE RECORDING OF WHAT OCCURS DURING SENTENCING, AND, PLEASE, THAT THOSE AUDIO AND VISUAL RECORDING THINGS ARE ALL OCCURRING ON TIME. SO THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE FOR. OKAY. ONE LAST ONE WE HEARD ABOUT THE I. SURE WITH THE POLICE REPORTS WHEN YOU'RE UP ON THE WHATEVER YOU CALL IT THE DAIS AND YOU DO THE YOU DO THE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE UP ON THE IS WHO WHO'S TYPING IN THE SENTENCES THAT THE CLERK THAT'S DOING THAT OR IS OR IS IT BEING TRANSCRIBED. NO. SO THERE'S TWO THINGS HAPPENED SIMULTANEOUSLY BASICALLY FOR THE SAME REASON THAT YOU BROUGHT UP IS THAT YOU WANT REDUNDANCY. SO IT'S BOTH BEING TYPED UP LIVE BY THE CLER, ALSO BEING RECORDED LIVE BY THE RECORDING SYSTEM. AND THEN I ACTUALLY SIGNED THOSE MINUTES, SO THEY TYPED THEM UP. THEN AFTER COURT I GO AND REVIEW EVERYTHING THAT WAS TYPED UP IN COURT ON EACH ONE OF THOSE CASES, AND I CAN LOOK AT THEM AS I GO AND ENSURE THAT THEY'RE EVERYTHING LOOKS THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO LOOK, AND THEN THEY GET APPROVED ON MY END. SO THEY HAVE SORT OF THREE, THREE DIFFERENT CATCHES. ARE WE EXPANDING THE USE OF VIRTUAL HEARINGS FOR TRAFFIC CASES? YES.

SO RIGHT NOW ALL OF OUR ARRAIGNMENTS. SO EVERY SINGLE FIRST APPEARANCE SHORT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, DUIS WE'RE STILL ALLOWING. BUT THE WE'RE DOING VIRTUAL ARRAIGNMENT. SO EVERYBODY'S FIRST APPEARANCE AT COURT HAS THE OPTION. THEY CAN APPEAR VIRTUALLY. SO IT ALLOWS PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING TIME OFF OF WORK TO HAVE IT BE LESS IMPACTFUL ON THEIR LIVES, TO APPEAR IN COURT. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT. SO I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MR. CHANDLER AS WELL AS HIS PROSECUTORS. WE'RE GOING TO, I GUESS, TEST DRIVE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CALLED A FIRST OFFENSE COURT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR FOLKS ARE WITH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM OR HOW I'M HOPEFULLY NOT.

I ALWAYS I ALWAYS LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE COURT WORKS, BECAUSE I'VE NEVER ENDED UP IN THERE. BUT WHEN YOU GET A TICKET OR WHEN YOU'RE ARRESTED OR YOU GET A CITATION, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, YOUR FIRST APPEARANCE AT THE COURT IS AT YOUR ARRAIGNMENT.

ESSENTIALLY, COME BEFORE THE COURT. WE LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE CHARGES ARE, WHAT THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES ARE. WE ADDRESS WHETHER OR NOT THERE NEEDS TO BE APPOINTMENT OF COUNSEL. AND OFTENTIMES, IF THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF CASES, YOU CAN ENTER GUILTY PLEAS AND RESOLVE THOSE

[02:25:06]

YEAH. AND IT'S FRONT END WORK. I MEAN, IT'S FRONT END WORK THAT, THAT JOSH'S TEAM ARE PUTTING IN, BUT WE'RE HOPING IS THAT A CROSS TRAINED TO HELP US ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE PROSECUTING PROSECUTORS WORK, THAT IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE DOING THE WORK, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR PROSECUTION TEAM REALLY BELIEVES IN AND SUPPORTS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE AND THE BEST INTEREST OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THINK FURTHERS THAT. AND IT DOES REQUIRE MORE WORK. BUT I THINK WITH TIME IT WILL BE LESS WORK THAT IT REQUIRES, AND WE GET KIND OF MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESS. AND MY QUESTION IS, DOES IT CREATE MORE WORK OR DOES IT SAVE WORK ON THE END BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TWICE, THREE TIMES? YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING. IF YOU IF YOU IF YOU CAN GET RID OF THE CASE AT ARRAIGNMENT AND YOU'VE GOT I MEAN THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, STANDARD PLEA AND OBEY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE SPEEDING 50 AND A 45 ZONE, YOU KNOW, ON REDWOOD ROAD AND IT'S YOUR IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE PLEA IN ADVANCE IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THEIR DRIVING RECORD, IF YOU GET RID OF IT ALL AT ONCE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL THE TYPICAL THING THAT I USED TO DO, IF I GOT A TICKET, I'D GO PLEAD NOT GUILTY AND THEN MAKE IT MISERABLE FOR THE PROSECUTOR TO EARN THEIR MONEY. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE POLICE ON AS WELL? SO THIS IS FROM THE START, OR IS THIS FROM ON YOUR END? OKAY. YEAH. WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT THEY'RE. I KNOW, I KNOW, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW I WANTED TO SHOW THE WHOLE PICTURE. I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, IF YOU WORK OUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK IT'LL END UP SAVING. I THINK THAT'S VERY, LIKE IT'S HARD FOR US TO TRACK, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN WE TAKE CARE OF A CASE AT THE AT THE OUTSET OR EARLY IN THE PROCESS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT CASE WOULD HAVE BEEN. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KIND OF HAVE TO TAKE ON THE FAITH THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THAT SORT OF SAVINGS. IT'S CERTAINLY FRONT LOADS WORK. AND AGAIN, WE KNOW IT'S THE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE TO SAY IT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. AND SO WE'RE WILLING TO DO IT. PART OF IT IS WE'RE WE'RE THINKING IT DOES SAVE US MONEY. THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD ASK, IS THERE A WAY TO. TAG THAT EITHER IN FILE LINE OR CHORUS OR WHATEVER THE HECK WE'RE USING? IS THERE A WAY TO TAG THAT SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIRST OFFENDER CASES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, OTHER CASES THAT YOU SEE THAT YOU TRACK OVER TIME TO SEE IF IT'S MORE EFFICIENT OR NOT? WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TRACK IT AGAINST BECAUSE YOU'RE TRACKING IT AGAINST THE CASE. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. THAT'S

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AND MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO KEEP TRACK OF SOME TIME JUST TO SAY WHICH ONE'S BETTER. SO I THINK THE ONE THING WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TRACK IS JUST THE SUCCESS OF THAT POPULATION. SO THAT GROUP THAT WE DO THIS ON, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THAT SUCCESS. SO SORRY, I TOOK UP A HUGE AMOUNT. I'M GOOD. I WAS ALL MY QUESTIONS. SO ONE LAST PLUG SAVE THE VICTIM ADVOCATES. YES. THERE'S PEOPLE THERE'S PEOPLE ALIVE. THAT WOULDN'T BE IF WE DIDN'T AGREE I AGREE, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. TO THOSE THAT JUST MAKE IT ON TO OUR I APOLOGIZE. SORRY. IT'S ALL HER FAULT. SO SHE'S A VOLUNTEER. ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AT THE NEXT MEETING IN TWO WEEKS. THEN WE'LL GO FROM THAT LIST AND KEEP IT ON THERE. SO, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME. ONLY WE NEED MORE THAN 15 MINUTES FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. SO WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.