May 27, 2025 Committee of the Whole

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FRENCH? THE BACK TO EASY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GAVEL THIS THING. I CALL TO

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[a. Discussion of the Fiscal Year 2026 Tentative Budget]

THE BIGGEST CHANGE IS ADDING A GOOD LANDLORD ADMINISTRATOR. HOWEVER, THAT PROGRAM WILL BRING IN. WE'RE ESTIMATING $400,000 OF REVENUE, SO IT WILL MORE THAN PAY FOR THIS EMPLOYEE, AS WELL AS THE SUPPORTING VEHICLE AND OTHER THINGS THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THIS EMPLOYEE. SO NEW REVENUE, NEW REVENUE. HOW ARE WE ANTICIPATING GETTING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE TO GENERATE THAT REVENUE? BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF RENTALS THAT DON'T PARTICIPATE IN ANY KIND OF THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO WITH ALONG WITH THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET, IS THE CHANGE TO THE RENTAL LICENSING FEES. IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED. THAT RENTAL LICENSING FEE HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED IN MANY YEARS. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADJUST IT TO MATCH WHAT WE SEE ACROSS THE WASATCH FRONT, PARTICIPATING IN THAT GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO GO UP FROM THE $21 TO $50 A DOOR TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM REDUCES THE IT'S A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE, A VERY FINE. CURRENTLY, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW I'M RUNNING A RENTAL.

WELL, THE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON WHO'S PAYING INTO IT. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. SO UNDER THE RADAR, WE'LL STILL IF WE DON'T GET MORE THAN THIS, IT'S ACTUALLY RESEARCH SHORT TERM RENTALS THEY HAVE AND THAT THAT'S A THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER SEPARATE POTENTIAL SOURCE OF LICENSING AND RENTAL.

SO THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE 400,000. THAT'S JUST STRAIGHT RENTAL LICENSES. ANYTHING OVER 30 DAYS. SO THE NUMBER COULD POTENTIALLY BE HIGHER. YEAH. IF YOU GET BETTER COMPLIANCE THEN IT WOULD BE HIGHER. RIGHT. BECAUSE THE BASED ON CURRENT NUMBER OF TIMES THE CURRENT RATE EQUALS X AND NEW RATE. SO SAME NUMBER TIMES NEW RATE EQUALS Y. YOU GET A BETTER NUMBER. THEN WE CAN GET A BETTER Y. NOW WE HAVEN'T BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING ON THIS GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM WHICH IS WHY WE NEED AN ADMINISTRATOR. WE HOPE THAT WITH THAT PERSON, WE CAN ACTUALLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROGRAM. SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER. SO IT'S HARD TO IT'S HARD FOR THE NUMBER TO DECREASE BECAUSE THEN WE KNOW YOU DIDN'T SIGN UP, BUT WE KNOW IT'S NOT TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT. YEAH. THE NUMBERS CAN'T CAN'T GO DOWN BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU'RE THERE ALREADY. YEAH. RIGHT. UNLESS UNLESS ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE LIVING IN YOUR OWN RENTAL, WHICH CAN HAPPEN, BUT YOU PAY YOURSELF. YEAH. OTHER THINGS THAT WERE ADDED TO THIS BUDGET WERE CREDIT CARD FEES. THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY ABSORBED BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FUND. AND WE FOUND A WAY TO PULL THOSE OUT. SO THEY'LL BE PAID FOR OUT OF COMMUNITY PRESERVATION. AND THAT WOULD BE CREDIT CARD FEES FOR BUSINESS LICENSING OR SHORT TERM RENTAL. ANY OF THE LICENSING THAT GOES ON UNDER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION, WE'VE REMOVED ABATEMENT COSTS. ABATEMENT COSTS ACTUALLY CAN GET LEANED AGAINST THE PROPERTY, SO

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OKAY. WE'LL RUN OVER TO ENGINEERING FOR ROADS. THIS ONE ACTUALLY DECREASED. SO THE BUDGET DECREASED FOR ENGINEERING FOR ROADS BY 3.6%. AND THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND HOW WE WANTED TO CHANGE THINGS IN CLASS C FOR PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE, I REALLY FELT IT WAS THERE'S ONE ENGINEER THAT IS FULLY ASSIGNED TO JUST CLASS C ROADS, AND SO WE'RE MOVING THAT ENGINEER OVER INTO CLASS C ROADS, AS WELL AS RECOMMENDING WHEN WE GO THROUGH CLASS C ROADS, AN ADDITIONAL ENGINEER. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT FUND. AND WE'RE TRANSFERRING IN AN INTERN THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO STREETS PREVIOUSLY. BUT STREETS ISN'T USING THE INTERN. SO WE'RE TRANSFERRING IT INTO ENGINEERING. SO IT'S A ZERO COST DEBT. BUT IT WILL REPORT TO ENGINEERING INSTEAD OF STREETS.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALREADY GOT SOMEBODY SITTING IN THE SEAT. WE'VE ADDED $10,000 TO TRAFFIC CALMING. AND WHEN WE PUT CITY WORKS INTO PLACE WE STARTED ALLOCATING IT OUT. THE ANNUAL COST FOR CITY WORKS BETWEEN ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE UTILIZING IT. AND SO $25,000 OF CITY WORKS IS BEING ALLOCATED INTO ENGINEERING, AS WELL AS KNOWING THAT 35% OF ENGINEERING'S TIME IS ALSO COLLABORATING AND REVIEWING AND PERFORMING WORK FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO 35% OF THE ROAD ENGINEERING TEAM IS ALLOCATED OUT TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THAT'S BEEN REDUCED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. IT USED TO BE 45%, 50%, AND NOW IT'S 35%. AS THEY'VE GOTTEN MORE EFFICIENT IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. AND. THAT WE HAD TO GET WORK. THIS HAD TO GET MORE EFFICIENT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? BRIAN, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO ANYTHING? OH YOU'RE DOING GOOD SO FAR. HE'S LIKE, JUST GO DENISE. ALL RIGHT. GIS IS OUR NEXT DEPARTMENT. THEN GIS, THE MAJORITY OF THEIR WORK IS ACTUALLY FOR OTHER FUNDS.

THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 20% OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO IS FOR THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS REALLY

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WELL WE DIDN'T HAVE TO USE THE OFFICE LAST YEAR. YEAH. WHICH IS A GOOD GUESS. YEAH. BUT YEAH, IT'S JUST HAD A LOT OF LEFTOVER MONEY FROM SALT. THEY DEFINITELY HAVE LEFTOVER MONEY. WE'VE BEEN STOCKPILED UP FOR NEXT YEAR. LEFTOVER MONEY THAT WE CAN SPEND IT ON STREETS AND STUFF. OKAY, SO THAT'S GIS. AND THE NEXT ONE IS THE STREETS BUDGET. SO THIS IS BASIC STREET MAINTENANCE. OH ONE SECTION. YOU'RE FINE. YOU'RE ADDING STREETS WITH ALL OUR NEW ELEMENTS. SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO NEED TO ADD A SNOWPLOW OR WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING IN THE FUTURE. WHAT IS THE BASED OFF THE BENCHMARKING. WE'RE GOOD RIGHT NOW OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. WE'LL PROBABLY BE GOOD FOR MAYBE NEXT YEAR. IT JUST DEPENDS. I DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL OF WHAT WE'RE ADDING RIGHT NOW. SO. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 22 FULL TIMERS I THINK THE AVERAGE IS THE BENCHMARK. 25 TO 1 IS. 25 MILES TO ONE EMPLOYEE. SO WE'RE LAGGING A LITTLE BIT BUT NOT BAD. WE'RE ABLE TO MANAGE RIGHT NOW WITH THE PAVEMENT. SO OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN DOES ADDRESS ACTUAL STAFFING OF ADDING STREET. BUT YOUR QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY BIG INVESTMENT. IT'S NOT AS BIG AS, YOU KNOW, DEREK ASKED FOR. BUT IT'S NOT A CHILLER TRUCK OR ANYTHING. BUT BUT IT IS A BIG INVESTMENT. SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING FOR US TO MAYBE LOOK AT, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE RESERVES PUT ASIDE FOR A SNOWPLOWS OR THAT EXTRA TRACK.

SO WE HAVE 20 TO 22 MILES OUT AT ONCE, BUT 22 FULL TIMERS. WE HAVE MORE THAN WELL, WE HAVE TO BREAK IT UP. REMEMBER, 12 HOUR SHIFTS, RIGHT? BUT WE UTILIZE OTHER DIVISIONS TOO. IT'S NOT JUST STREETS DOING IT. IT'S PARKS, IT'S UTILITIES. IT'S SO WE HAVE MORE ON A ON A GOOD STORM. WE HAVE PROBABLY. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK BACK 20 TRUCKS TOTAL OUT ON THE ROAD.

MAYBE JUST TO KEEP THINGS GOING. BUT WE ROTATE EVERY 12 HOURS. SO YOU GOT TO DOUBLE THAT WITH EMPLOYEES TO BACK YOU UP. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WITH THOSE TRUCKS, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T.

SNOWPLOW 24 OVER SEVEN. SO HOW OFTEN ARE THOSE 22 TRUCKS UTILIZED THE REST OF THE YEAR ON THE CREWS? THEY'RE JUST CREW TRUCKS. THEY'RE MOST OF THEM LIKE THE SMALL TRUCKS AT ONE TIME. SO BASICALLY THE PLOWS ARE TAKEN OFF FOR NINE MONTHS. YEAH. THEY JUST DON'T IN THE SUMMER.

PLOWS ON THE SALTERS. RIGHT. WE CAN TAKE THEM AND CHANGE THEM OUT TO AS THE SEASONS CHANGE.

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HE DOESN'T USE IT, SO HE'S GRATEFUL TO HAVE A GOOD WEATHER YEAR. YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY PURCHASED THE SALT THOUGH, SO THAT JUST MEANS NEXT YEAR YOU HAVE TO PURCHASE AS MUCH AT THE START OF IT, DEPENDING ON HOW HEAVY IT IS. RIGHT. WE HAVE ENOUGH TO KICK US OFF, BUT IF WE GET HIT HARD, RIGHT? SO AT THE END OF THE SEASON WE ALWAYS BUCK UP WITH SALT. SO START A WINNER.

WE'RE READY TO GO WITH BRINE AND MAKING THE BRINE. SALT AND BRINE SOUNDS LIKE A BARBECUE. BRIAN HAS HELPED TREMENDOUSLY IN OUR OPERATION. KEEPING IT GOING, GETTING THE MELTED OFF QUICKER BECAUSE IT'S ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S IT FOR THE GENERAL FUND FOR BRIAN'S GROUP. SO WE'LL COME BACK FOR PLUS TWO HERE IN A MINUTE. I JUST GO TO CLASS. YEAH, LET'S JUST GO TO CLASS, SEE WHY WE'RE TALKING. ALL RIGHT. ROADS NOW 51. SO. WE'LL GET THERE. HERE WE ARE. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO TALK CLASS C FOR JUST A MINUTE. SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE GENERAL FUND STUFF FOR BRIAN. BUT CLASS C REALLY RUNS INTO ENGINEERING AND ROADS AND STREETS. SO CLASS C HERE YOU'LL SEE THE TOTAL BIG PICTURE ON CLASS C. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT LAST YEAR IN 2024 WE ONLY SPENT $3.9 MILLION. BUT WE BROUGHT IN 5.1 MILLION. AND THEN THIS BUDGET YEAR THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW BUDGETED 5.5 MILLION OF REVENUE. AND WE ESTIMATE THAT ABOUT $6.6 MILLION WILL BE SPENT. SO WE'LL BE HAVING A NET CHANGE OF ABOUT $1 MILLION OF BRINGING THAT FUND BALANCE DOWN. BUT AS YOU SPOKE ABOUT WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE RAMPED CLASS C UP SO THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT 8 TO $9 MILLION OF MAINTENANCE EVERY YEAR, WE CAN SUSTAIN THAT FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS WITH THE REVENUE STREAMS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, AND WE'LL GO OVER THOSE HERE IN A MINUTE.

SO IN THE BUDGET WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'RE PROPOSING $8.2 MILLION OF REVENUE. AND THEN ONE TIME SOURCE WE TRANSFERRED IN. SO THIS IS RESERVES THAT WE'RE SITTING IN THE CAPITAL FUND FROM 2021, H.B. 244, WHICH WAS TRANSPORTATION FUNDING. THAT'S OVER 15 YEARS. THOSE WERE SITTING THERE WAITING FOR A PROJECT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRANSFER THEM OVER TO CLASS C AND USE THEM ON MAINTENANCE. AND THEN WE'VE GOT $10.1 MILLION BUDGETED THIS NEXT YEAR IN MAINTENANCE COSTS. SO WE'LL BE BRINGING THE FUND BALANCE BACK UP ABOUT $1.7 MILLION. ARE YOU READY FOR ORANGE CONES? READY FOR THE ORANGE CONES EVERYWHERE. THAT'S TRUE. SO THE REVENUE SOURCES THE TOP LINE IS CLASS C ROAD FUNDS. SO THAT COMES FROM OUR LANE MILES THAT WE REPORT TO THE STATE. AND THEY GET THEIR REVENUE SOURCE AND THEY DIVIDE IT BY THE LANE MILES FOR ALL THE CITIES. WE'RE GOING TO GET ABOUT $5.6 MILLION. THEN WE HAVE A BRAND NEW REVENUE SOURCE, WHICH IS THE FIFTH OF THE FIFTH, WHICH IS A SALES TAX THAT'S DEDICATED TO ROAD MAINTENANCE. WE ESTIMATE THAT AT 1.5 MILLION, THAT WILL BE AN ONGOING REVENUE SOURCE. SO THAT'S GOOD THEN. MISCELLANEOUS INTERGOVERNMENTAL IS OUR ANNUAL ALLOCATION OF THAT H.B. 244 MONEY. SO WE GET $1.1 MILLION UNTIL 2036. AND THAT WAS SENATOR HARPER'S BILL. SO WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT MONEY INTEREST EARNINGS. AND THEN THE TRANSFER IS A ONE TIME SOURCE. SO THAT'S ONLY ONE TIME FUNDS. THOSE WON'T COME IN EVERY YEAR. BUT WE HAVE A PRETTY STEADY REVENUE STREAM OF ABOUT 8 OR $9 MILLION. SO WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN CONTINUE GETTING OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE UP FOR EXPENDITURES.

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WE'RE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL ENGINEER TO BE ADDED TO THAT TEAM. AND SO THEY WILL HAVE TWO ENGINEERS THAT WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE DESIGN WORK THAT'S DONE FOR PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE. YEAH.

IF YOU REMEMBER, WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT IN JANUARY, THE BUDGET RETREAT WITH THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WE'RE NOW GETTING FOR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT, ONE ENGINEER CAN'T SPEND ALL THAT MONEY. SO WE THAT'S WHY WE'VE REQUESTED THAT ADDITIONAL SENIOR ENGINEER TO HELP MANAGE THAT. SO BRIAN, WILL YOU TALK ABOUT THAT, HOW MUCH THAT SAVES US VERSUS OUTSOURCING. JUST FOR EXAMPLE, ONE DESIGN, ONE ROAD DESIGN, WE SENT OUT 6200 SELF WHEN WE OVERLAID THAT ROAD, AND THAT ONE WAS OVER $100,000 TO HAVE THAT, NO, $70,000 TO HAVE THAT DESIGNED WHERE KRISTA DOES SEVERAL DESIGNS FOR OUR OVERLAY OPERATIONS. SO SHE'S SAVING THE CITY UPWARDS OF 3 TO $400,000 EVERY YEAR, DOING THE DESIGNS IN-HOUSE. AND IT'S DONE RIGHT. SO. BUT. SHE'S NOT RIGHT OR GOING. SHE IS. WE GOT A LETTER OF INTENT. NOT YET. WE JUST GOT A LETTER OF INTENT FROM HER STATING SHE WAS GOING TO LEAVE IN OCTOBER. THAT WAS MY NEXT WELL, NOT NEXT QUESTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT ONE. I WANT TO SEE WHERE WE ARE IN THE BUDGET, BECAUSE I GOT TO GET BOTH OF THOSE ENGINEERS OUT THERE. YEAH, THEY HAVE SOME MONEY IT CAN USE. WAITING UNTIL SHE LEAVES. IS IT GOING TO WORK? SO WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO HIRE HER POSITION NOW FOR SOMEONE TO SHADOW HER. BUT I ALSO NEED TO DO TO THE GETTING ENGINEERS HIRED AND FINDING ENGINEERS. AND THAT'S BEEN TOUGH. WE NEED TO START NOW. SO I WOULD LIKE TO POST THAT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. BUT I WANTED TO SEE WHERE WE WERE WITH GETTING THAT ENGINEERING TO THAT WHEN WE DISCUSSED CHRISTA LEAVING THAT, THAT WE ALREADY THAT OKAY. WE DID WE AMENDED THE BUDGET FOR HER TO GET TO HIRE SOMEONE TO SADDLE HER. YEAH, BUT NOW I NEED AN ADDITIONAL ENGINEER, AND I NEED I'D LIKE TO HIRE THOSE BOTH SOONER THAN LATER TO USE ALL THAT SALT. NO. I'M FINE. IF ANYONE, BY THE TIME HE GOES THROUGH RECRUITMENT AND INTERVIEWING, IT'S. IT'LL BE JULY 1ST. IT WILL BE, BUT IT'S. I DON'T WANT TO POST IT UNLESS I'M SURE WHERE THIS IS ALL HEADED, SO. OKAY. OKAY. OPERATIONS IS REALLY MINIMAL. THERE'S NOT A LOT TO THAT OUTSIDE OF SOME TRAINING DOLLARS AND SOME MATERIALS THAT SUPPORT PUBLIC WORKS. OH NO NO, NO, YOU GOT IT. EQUIPMENT. DOMESTIC MACHINES. THIS IS THE MASTIC MACHINE. SO THIS IS THE MASTIC MACHINE, WHICH WE SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT IN JANUARY. THAT IS NEWER TECHNOLOGY AND HELPING US TO REPAIR AND MAINTAIN SOME OF OUR STREETS. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR $106,000. THAT'S ONE TIME REVENUE OR I'M SORRY, ONE TIME EXPENSE AND THEN ROAD MAINTENANCE DONE BY PUBLIC WORKS. SO HE'S LIMITED ON HOW MUCH ROAD MAINTENANCE HE CAN DO BY THE STATE, I THINK IS THE DUMBEST THING EVER. THEY DON'T WANT OUR ROADS TO LOOK BETTER THAN THEY ARE, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A BUDGET OF $669,000 FOR THE WORK THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO, AND THEN $9 MILLION OF WORK THAT WILL BE CONTRACTED, WHICH WOULD BE MANAGED BY THE ENGINEER. SO IT'D BE DESIGN WORK DONE BY THE ENGINEERS AND THEN THE CONTRACT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON CLASS C ROADS? MY ONLY QUESTION IS ON PAGE ONE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. DOES THE FIVE YEAR PLAN HAVE A TAX INCREASE BUILT INTO IT, OR IS IT JUST DOES IT HAVE INFLATORS IN IT? YES. A 5% INFLATOR, WHICH MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH FOR SOME CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, BUT MAYBE IT IS, I DON'T KNOW OKAY.

THANK YOU. JORDAN HAS CLASS C ROADS, RIGHT? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP BRIAN HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ROADS CAPITAL. SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT FUND COMPLETELY. SO CLASS C IS ON ITS OWN. IT SITS ON ITS OWN. IT HAS ITS OWN FUNDING SOURCES AND OWN RESERVES. ROADS CAPITAL IS ROLLED INTO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND. BUT WE KIND OF PARSE IT OUT SO THAT WE CAN MANAGE THE PROJECTS A LITTLE BETTER. SO THE ROAD CAPITAL FUND, THE ONLY RESERVES IN THIS FUND AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR, AND THIS YEAR, ACTUALLY TWO ARE RESTRICTED IMPACT FEES. SO WE

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THE GENERAL FUND CAPITAL FUND HOLDS ALL OF THE MONEY THAT YOU TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO CAPITAL IS HELD OVER IN THE GENERAL FUND UNTIL WE KNOW WHETHER WE WANT IT TO BE IN A ROAD OR WE WANT IT TO BE IN A PARK, WHETHER WE WANT IT TO BE IN A FACILITY WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE. RIGHT. SO IT GIVES YOU A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY. SO THAT'S BRINGING IN MONEY FROM THE GENERAL CAPITAL FUND INTO THE ROADS CAPITAL, BECAUSE WE HAVE ROADS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY IMPOUND FEES. WE HAVE $11.4 MILLION OF EXPENDITURES, WHICH WE'LL GO OVER IN A SECOND. AND THEN THE TRANSFER OUT IS THAT MONEY THAT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT IN CLASS C, SO IT'S TAKING IT OUT OF THE CAPITAL FUND AND PUTTING IT OVER INTO CLASS C FUNDS. THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FOR ROADS, CAPITAL. THIS IS A LIST OF THE PROJECTS AND THE MONEY THAT IS ALLOCATED TO THEM, AS WELL AS SOME MONEY THAT'S ALLOCATED UNKNOWN AT THIS POINT FOR DEVELOPER REIMBURSEMENTS. SO WHEN WE HAVE A DEVELOPER COME IN AND DO A ROAD PROJECT, THERE MAY BE A TIME WHEN WE ASK THEM TO DO UPSIZING BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST, AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO COLLECT IT LATER FROM ANOTHER DEVELOPER. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. BUT WE NEED TO REIMBURSE THEM FOR THAT WORK. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR HALF $1 MILLION TO JUST KIND OF BE SET ASIDE FOR DEVELOPER REIMBURSEMENTS IN CASE AN UPSIZING PROJECT BECOMES AVAILABLE FOR US. OTHERWISE, THESE ARE ALL IDENTIFIED INTO SPECIFIC PROJECTS. MYSELF AND THE 600 SOUTH MONEY. THAT IS ALL LEGISLATIVE MONEY. LIKE WE GOT 4 MILLION. WE BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND ABOUT 3 MILLION NEXT YEAR. OKAY, SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON IT'S ON PAGE 173. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WHERE IT'LL COME OUT OF OR IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT I KNOW THAT IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN OUR QUIET ZONES AROUND TRACKS, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME ROAD STUFF. SO IS THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE BUDGET? THAT'S A PRETTY. THERE'S SOME WORK ON 4000 WEST THAT ESTHER'S TALKED ABOUT THAT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE. THAT WILL NEED TO BE DONE TO KEEP THAT A QUIET ZONE. YES, BUT HE'S WORKING.

HE'S DOING A STUDY ON THAT. WE'RE DOING THAT STUDY. BUT THAT'S. THE RAILROAD IS VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT WORK. BUT IT'S EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN DONE. ESTHER EAST SAVED OUR BACON ON THAT. AND WE HAVE WE'VE LET THE RAILROAD KNOW. THAT'S WHY NESTOR IS DOING A STUDY, SO WE CAN GET ALL THAT WORK DONE TO KEEP IT QUIET OVER THERE. BUT IT'S WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT IN JEOPARDY OF LOSING THE QUIET. WE'VE DONE IT. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ANY MONEY PUT AWAY FOR. NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT. IF YOU REVIEW THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ONES THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT OR. OKAY. A LOT OF PROJECTS, THE STUDIES THAT ROADS CAPITAL WILL BE SUPPORTING, THERE'S 6 OR 5 STUDIES THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW. IT'S ONE OF THESE ONES THAT YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT. JUST THE MISCELLANEOUS, MAYBE. THE 90TH SOUTH CORRIDOR. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE STUDIES? I DON'T SEE THE STUDY FOR THE BRIDGE OVER. THE RIVER COY IS WHAT I WAS THINKING. WHERE DID YOU PUT THE JORDAN RIVER? ON THE ENGINEERING. COULD BE PUT IN THERE. SOME MONEY FOR ENGINEERING. STUDY ON SOUTH 7800 SOUTH. OVER OVER THE JORDAN RIVER. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE IT AS A PROJECT. OKAY. YEAH. RIGHT. NO. YEAH. WE GOT TO DISCUSS THAT. IS IT IN PARKS? IS IT A PARKS PROJECT OR ROADS? IT SHOULD BE A ROADS PROJECT. YEAH, IT'S A BRIDGE. THE BRIDGE TRACK IS. AND BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER THE JORDAN RIVER. IT'S TOO SHALLOW. RIGHT? I'M NOT GOING TO LET IT DROP. I DON'T WANT TO NAME IT BRIDGE. I DON'T KNOW,

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YEAH. WELL, BASED OFF OF BASED OFF OF THE UDOT INSPECTIONS, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. IT'S NOT JUST WEST JORDAN. IT'S A PLAYER IN THIS. OH, NO, THEY JUST I MEAN THE ONE ON 70TH IS A NEW ONE. SO THAT'S FINE. THEY JUST REDID 90TH. SO 78TH IS OUR NEXT IN LINE TO BE FIXED. AND SO WHEN THAT BRIDGE UDOT DECIDES TO FIX IT THAT'S WHEN YOU FIX THE PROBLEM OKAY. SO I'M NOT SURE I'M NOT SURE IF STUDY. THAT'S NOT A UDOT ROAD RIGHT THERE IS IT. THE BRIDGE IS A UDOT ROAD.

WE DON'T OWN THAT BRIDGE. IT'S NOT. THAT'S WHAT I GOT. THAT'S WHAT I GOT. WE DON'T BUILD THE BRIDGES. I'M SORRY. WHAT? THE CITY DOESN'T BUILD THOSE BRIDGES. THAT'S A UDOT BRIDGE.

SO I'M GUESSING YOU'RE SAYING IS I'M NOT SURE WHAT A I'M NOT SURE WHAT A STUDY WILL DO, BECAUSE BASICALLY WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WHEN THEY BUILD A NEW BRIDGE THAT THEY BUILD THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I GOT TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT'S IN THE PROJECT, BECAUSE THEY THEY INSPECT THOSE BRIDGES AND THEN THEY BUILD THEM TO YOU GOT PARTICIPATING CITIES IN THAT. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S A AND THERE'S SOME GREAT ISSUES THERE TOO. IT'S JUST NOT A MATTER OF US GOING AND RIPPING OUT THE BRIDGE AND PUTTING A NEW BRIDGE IN. YOU GOT TO FIX THE TRAIL. AND IN ORDER TO FIX THE TRAIL, YOU GOT TO LIFT THAT BRIDGE UP, RAISE IT. THERE'S THAT LITTLE TRAIN. AND THEN YOU GOT THE TRAIN ISSUE, THE RISE. THERE'S DUMP TRUCKS THERE WITH THEIR TRYING TO GO UNDER IT. BUT LET ME LET ME FIND OUT WHERE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN WEST JORDAN. NO, THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN WEST JORDAN. IT ONLY HAPPENS. IT'S ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT ROAD PROJECTS, STREETS, ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING YOU DRIVE ON, RIGHT? YEP. OKAY, RYAN. YOU'RE DONE. THANK YOU. BRIAN, WHAT ABOUT THE CREWS YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT? IS THAT WE MISSED THAT.

TALK TO THAT. RYAN. I YEAH, I SUBMITTED FOR A CEMENT CREW WITH THE BUDGET WHERE IT'S AT, I GOT ONE EMPLOYEE, WHICH WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE A BIG DENT IN THE NEED FOR CONCRETE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT. AND THAT'S WE'RE A COUPLE YEARS OUT ON WORK ORDERS WITH THAT, AREN'T WE? BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW WE JUST WE ESTABLISHED WE HAD TO ESTABLISH A SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE PLAN JUST FOR LIABILITY REASONS. AND IN DOING THAT NOW WE'VE WE'VE CHANGED A LOT THOUGH TOO WITH WE HIRE A LOT OF WE HIRE CONTRACTORS ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT WILL GO IN AND GRIND AND PUMP CERTAIN AREAS THAT THE AREA WE'RE WORKING ON, LIKE DISTRICT ONE, WE'LL STAY IN THAT DISTRICT UNTIL WE HIT IT AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH DONE. SO WE HAVE THE CONTRACTORS GO IN, THEY'LL GRIND, THEY'LL DO THE HORIZONTAL GRINDING, AND THEN THEY'LL PUMP AREAS THAT NEED TO BE. BUT IF AREAS NEED TO BE REPLACED, WE COME BACK AND DO THAT IN THAT CERTAIN DISTRICT. ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THAT DISTRICT, THEN WE MOVE TO THE NEXT DISTRICT, BUT ONLY GOT ONE CREW DOING THAT, JUST GRASPING AT STRAWS. BUT COULDN'T IT SAVE OUR CITY MONEY IF WE HAD ANOTHER CREW WITH THE CONTRACTORS WE'RE HIRING? IT SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER TO ME TO ADD THAT TO THE BUDGET. WHAT WAS IT? IT WAS 500 SOMETHING, ALMOST $600,000. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING ON ON CONTRACTORS. YEAH, YEAH. WE DON'T WE DON'T SPEND THAT MUCH ON CONTRACTORS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT WORK DONE. THEY DON'T GET THE WORK DONE, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY TO SPEND. RIGHT. SO WE GO THROUGH AND BASED OFF THE DISTRICTS AND DO WHAT WE CAN IN THAT CERTAIN HISTORY WITH CONTRACTORS AND SELF-PERFORM AND IN-HOUSE WORK. SO THIS IS ONE INCIDENT, BUT I'LL BRING IT UP. IS SALT LAKE CITY HAD A PERSON ON A MOTORIZED SCOOTER RIDING ON A SIDEWALK WHO GOT KILLED IN AN ACCIDENT BECAUSE THEIR SIDEWALK HAD A FEW INCHES OFF. YEAH. AND SO IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AT NIGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF LIABILITY THE CITY FACED SALT LAKE CITY FACED FOR THAT KIND OF THAT INCIDENT. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE US GET ON TOP OF THAT. OR RIGHT NOW, JUST WITH WORK ORDERS. WE'RE ABOUT TWO YEARS OUT, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. BUT ALSO IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WE'VE INCLUDED THE SIDEWALK

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IT PROBABLY IS TRUE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT'S THE NUMBERS ON COUNCIL. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DETERMINE IS WHAT IS THAT SERVICE LEVEL? IS IT A SIX MONTH WAITING LIST? IS IT A ONE YEAR WAITING LIST? IS IT A RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT A SERVICE LEVEL. DO WE WANT TO REACH TO EXACTLY WHAT IS WHAT ARE YOU WANTING TO ACCOMPLISH? TO ME, EVEN ONE YEAR IS RIDICULOUS. BUT YEAH, THINGS MOVE AT THE SPEED OF GOVERNMENT SOMETIMES AND WE DON'T LIKE IT.

SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF YOU WANT MORE CEMENT CREW, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF THE BUDGET? WHERE DOES THE OTHER $400,000 COME FROM? WHERE DOES IT COME FROM? IS THAT A TAX INCREASE? I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR OUR RESIDENTS WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY FOR AN INCREASE IN TAX. BASED ON WHAT? RESIDENTS? I'M NOT ASKING FOR A NEW PART. THIS IS BASIC SERVICES, RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE ALSO DOUBLING YOUR EVENTS. YOU'RE DOUBLING YOUR EVENTS. AND I'VE HAD THREE CALLS ABOUT ABOUT EVENTS. AND WHY ARE WE DOUBLING. SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU A QUESTION. IF WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE, WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE SOMEWHERE. YOU EITHER CUT OR YOU RAISE TAXES. AND WHEN YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS DON'T APPRECIATE AS MUCH, THEN THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES A HARDER JOB FOR US, FOR SURE. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL. AND. AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S A GOOD YEAR FOR A LARGE TAX INCREASE. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY YES TO A TAX INCREASE WHEN WE HAVE NOT JUST NEEDS IN OUR BUDGET, BUT ALSO WANTS. SO IT'S A GOOD POINT. VERY VALID POINT. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T AGREE THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO WORK ON OUR SIDEWALKS. MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GETTING OLDER. I NEED TO PAY ATTENTION BETTER WHEN I WALK SOME OF THE AREAS OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAN OTHERS. BUT YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT IS TREES THAT WERE PLANTED AND TREES THAT THE CITY REQUIRED TO BE PLANTED THAT HAVE CAUSED A LOT OF DAMAGE. SO, YOU KNOW, SO AND I'LL ALWAYS RUN HOME TO MOMMY, SO TO SPEAK, AND TALK ABOUT THE BROKEN WINDOW SYNDROME AND HOW WHEN WE ALLOW THE BLIGHT TO JUST FESTER IN OUR CITY, THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE. I AGREE. SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A PRIORITY, AND IF WE DO NEED TO CUT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, I THINK WE SHOULD. WE REACHED OUT TO I MEAN, HOA'S THAT MANAGE THESE SOME OF THESE, THESE SIDEWALKS. HAVE YOU HAD ANY RESPONSE TO THEM ON THE REIMBURSEMENT OF FIXING SOME OF THOSE? WE WOULD IT WOULDN'T TELL HOA'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL PRIVATE. YEAH. NO, I JUST MY NEIGHBORHOOD ALONE. I, I'VE ACTUALLY ALMOST TRIPPED A COUPLE TIMES. IT'S STARTING TO DO THAT. AND IT'S NOT THE TREES AREN'T VERY BIG EITHER. THEY'RE STILL BABIES AND PEOPLE ARE DEAD. SO IT WAS I THINK IT'S A TREE THING FOR THAT. DO YOU THINK? WELL WITH AS WELL I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF MORE EVENTS AND COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, SO I DON'T WANT TO BE STEPPING ON YOUR FACE, SO TO SPEAK. NO, THAT'S THAT'S NO PROBLEM THERE.

THAT'S NOT THAT. I'M SAYING THAT I, I, I THINK THAT THERE IS A NEED TO INCREASE TO, TO GET THINGS GOING AS I TALKED BEFORE WE RUN INTO THAT THING AS I, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, GROCERY

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YET WE COMPLAIN THAT WE CAN'T GET OUR STUFF AND WE CAN'T BUY OUR IF WE'RE IN LINE FOR THIS, BUT THEN WE OPEN UP SOME LANES. WE SOMETIMES HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE MORE FOR FOOD FOR THAT CONVENIENCE TO GO THROUGH MORE LANES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN A CITY. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO DECIDE HOW MANY LANES WE'RE GOING TO OPEN SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THE SERVICE THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT. BUT THEN WITH THAT SERVICE SOMETIMES COMES MORE COST. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE I LIKE I SAID, I'M IN THE THING OF IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TWO YEARS DOWN, IT SHOWS THAT WE MAYBE SHOULD HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT TO THIS SOONER, THAT WE WOULDN'T BE WHERE WE ARE. AND IF WE SAY NO, THEN WE'RE DOWN TO THREE YEARS WAIT LIST. YEAH, THAT COULD COME. IT'S GOING TO TAKE IT GETS THE POINT WHERE NOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED TWO PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, TWO MORE CREW MEMBERS TO DO IT TO THAT POINT. BRIAN, DO YOU SEE THE SIDEWALK ISSUE BECOMING WORSE OVER TIME? RIGHT. BECAUSE TREES ARE GOING TO GROW, GROW GROWTH OF THE TREES AND JUST GENERAL CONDITIONS. CONCRETE HAS LIFE. YEAH. SO I FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T JUMP ON THIS NOW, IT'S JUST GOING TO GET WE'RE GOING TO KEEP RISKING OURSELVES FOR A LAWSUIT, WHICH IS GOING TO THEN BE EVEN MORE MONEY. YEAH. BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT EVENTS, TO CAITLIN'S POINT ABOUT WANTS. YEAH, A LOT OF THOSE WANTS I SEE IS NOT WANTS. I SEE IF YOU HAVE A CITY THAT ONLY TAKES CARE OF ROADS AT THE EXPENSE OF EVENTS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THE FEDERAL ROADS ARE SUPPOSED TO LEAD TO. RIGHT? THEN THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO HAVE THE COJONES TO RAISE TAXES.

THAT IF I TRIP ON A SIDEWALK, I CAN'T GO TO THE EVENTS BECAUSE I'M INJURED, RIGHT? AND THE ROADS ARE IN CRAPPY CONDITION. YOU CAN'T GET TO THE EVENTS EITHER. SO IT SEEMS TO ME, BRIAN, THAT WE WOULD LIKE A MORE IN DEPTH MEETING WITH YOU ABOUT IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE A AND B, SO WE WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH ARE YOU REALLY SPENDING OUT FOR CONTRACTORS. AND IF WE APPLIED THAT TOWARDS A NEW TEAM THEN GET WITH CITIES AND TELL US HOW MUCH THAT NEW TEAM WILL BE. I'M SURE YOU'LL WANT A NEW TRUCK AND IT'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO BE. WELL, THAT'S INCLUDING IT. THAT'S INCLUDING THE 600,000, FIVE, 70, WHATEVER IT WAS THAT INCLUDES THE EQUIPMENT THAT INCLUDES THE CEMENT. NO, WE HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE CEMENT BUDGET ALREADY. WE HAVE MONEY THAT WE DON'T. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BUDGET FOR TWO CREWS. NO, NO. WELL, I MEAN, IF WE HAVE TO INCREASE A LITTLE BIT, I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT. I THINK WE'LL BE OKAY FOR A WHILE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO GET A CREW ON. IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO GET THEM TRAINED AND GET THEM GOING. CAN YOU BRING BACK NUMBERS FOR US SO THAT WE CAN REALLY EVALUATE? WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE NEXT WORK SESSION? TWO WEEKS. SORRY, BRIAN, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. OH, YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD. I DON'T THINK IT'D BE TOO HARD TO GET THIS STUFF. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, BRANT.

I KNOW THAT I'LL BE THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE. I'VE HEARD MORE PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT STREETS THAN SIDEWALKS, SO WE PUT MORE MONEY IN SIDEWALKS OR STREETS. I ACTUALLY HAVE HAD PRETTY EQUAL COMPLAINTS, I HAVEN'T. MINE IS MOSTLY LIKE, I NEED MY I NEED MY ROAD REDONE. DO THEY NEED IT RIGHT DONE OR JUST FINISHED IN YOUR AREA? YEAH, THEY DID THAT ROAD. NO IT'S REDONE I MEAN. OH IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD I KNOW JUST JUST I MEAN I'M IN DISTRICT ONE, SO OBVIOUSLY ALL OF MY AREA AND SAME WITH BOB'S IS 40 YEARS OLD AND THE STREETS AND BRIAN KNOWS THIS. THEY'RE HALF OF THEM NEED TO BE STRIPPED AND REDONE. SO THEY COULD ALL BE LIKE LELAND RIGHT NOW. I'D TAKE THAT. YEAH.

THAT PIPES. THEY DON'T DO IT THAT WAY. IT'S AMAZING. SINCE YOU GUYS, SINCE YOU GUYS FIXED IT. LELAND IS AMAZING. SO HAVE YOU GUYS EVER SEEN THAT CARTOON CARS WHERE THE ROAD GETS ALL RIPPED UP BY BY A LIGHTNING MCQUEEN, AND THEN THEY REDO IT? THAT'S WHAT THIS ROAD IS LIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD NOW. IT IS SO WONDERFUL. NOW, REMEMBER? I MEAN, GREG KNOWS HE DRIVES ON IT TOO. SO, BRIAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR YOU OR MARK OR. I DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW. FOR BIG BAND PROJECT, IF WE DECIDED WHERE THE ROAD WILL GO IN. AND IS THAT IN ANY OF THESE PLANS? THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE. COREY COREY'S QUESTION, NOT THE ONE THAT'S DAVID DOBBINS. YES. ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER PROPERTY. WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. OKAY, BRIAN. OR YOU'RE OUT OF THE FRYING PAN AND INTO THE FRYER. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT? WE'RE

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SORRY I'M LATE, BUT IS THERE ANY ARE THERE ANY VEHICLES COMING OUT OF THE FLEET ROTATION PLAN THAT ARE GOING TO GET SOLD THAT WE COULD JUST USE IT FOR ANOTHER YEAR AND. I COULD NOT ANSWER THAT. YES, YOU CAN DO THAT. BUT YOU ARE STILL ESSENTIALLY ADDING TO THE OVERALL FLEET. YEAH, WELL WE ARE, BUT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT BUYING A NEW VEHICLE. YOU'RE NOT BUYING A NEW VEHICLE THIS YEAR, BUT YOU'RE INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE OVERALL FLEET. THE TURNOVER STILL NEEDS TO OCCUR AS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY COREY. LET'S DO IT. I SHOULD JUST HAVE POLICE A FIRE A LITTLE FASTER. ALL RIGHT. COREY'S DIVISION RESPONSIBLE FOR PARKS, EVENTS, CEMETERY FACILITIES, PARKS, CAPITAL PROJECTS, FACILITIES, CAPITAL PROJECTS AND STREET LIGHTS. FUN STUFF. SO PUBLIC SERVICES ADMINISTRATION IS COREY AND AN ADMIN ASSISTANT AS WELL. THEY HAVE 10% OF THEIR TIME ALLOCATED OUT FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COLLABORATION. VERY SMALL OPERATIONAL BUDGET AND THE INDIRECT COSTS ARE FOR VEHICLES AND COMPUTER STUFF. SUPPORT GOES UP 4.5%. CEMETERY IS THE NEXT ONE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT COREY AND ADMINISTRATION? THERE'S TWO PEOPLE. SHE'S THE BEST ADMIN HERE TOO, BY THE WAY.

SHE'S PRETTY DARN GOOD. YOU'RE RIGHT. THE CEMETERY BUDGET IS INCREASING 2.6%. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF ATTRITION FROM LAST YEAR. SO WHEN WE HAVE TURNOVER, ESPECIALLY IN A SMALLER DEPARTMENT, THAT'S REALLY AFFECTS THEIR PERSONNEL BUDGET OVERALL. THE ADD IN THE INDIRECT COSTS IS FOR CEMETERY SOFTWARE, WHICH YOU APPROVED IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR. IT'S BEEN IT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED AND IT'S A COST AND ONGOING COST OF $10,000. YOU. SAID THE 2.6 PERSONNEL. YEAH.

PERSONNEL IS GOING DOWN. OPERATIONS IS UP A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. AND THEN THE SOFTWARE.

SOFTWARE THE 2.6 COMES IN. YEAH. PERSONNEL GOES DOWN WITH ATTRITION. SO HE'S GOT A FAIRLY NEW TEAM IN CEMETERY RIGHT NOW. COOL. RIGHT. NOT REALLY THIS PAGE BUT DO WE NEED TO RELOOK AGAIN AT WHAT WE'RE CHARGING FOR PLOTS AND SERVICES. SO THOSE WERE CHANGED ONLY 3 TO 5 YEARS AGO. BUT WE ARE GOING TO RELOOK AT THOSE AS WE'RE ADDING THE COLUMBARIUM, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD COLUMBARIUM RATES FOR THE NICHES. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE SAME TIME AND TRY TO GET THOSE INTO THERE. YES, WE'D LIKE TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THEM. WE WERE, ACCORDING TO OUR PARKS MANAGER LAST TIME WHEN WE UPPED THEM, I SAID 3 TO 5. WE WERE PRETTY COMPETITIVE, BUT THAT WAS THE EXACT LOOK AND SEE. BUT WE'RE PLANNING ON LOOKING. YEAH, THAT'S MY QUESTION IS HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO SURROUNDING CITIES AND IS IT FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE WITH THE CURRENT REVENUE VERSUS OPERATING COSTS? WE'RE LOOKING AT, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE NEEDS FOR EXPANSION, ESPECIALLY TO MAXIMIZE THE WE DO HAVE, OTHER THAN OUR NEIGHBORS UP THE ROAD HERE. IS THERE ARE THERE OTHER PRIVATE CEMETERIES IN WEST JORDAN? I DON'T NOT THAT I KNOW OF, JUST THIS ONE. RIGHT. IT'S JUST THE MEMORIAL STATE STATES, GARDEN STATE. IT'S INTERESTING.

OKAY. BEFORE WE PAINFUL FOR THIS ONE FIVE YEARS OR TEN YEARS. IT'S COOL. LAST I HEARD IT'S CLOSER TO 5 TO 6 YEARS. 5 TO 6 YEARS. AND ARE YOU LOOKING AT EXPANDING OR ACQUIRING A FEW EXPANSION OPTIONS? WE'VE LOOKED AT WHETHER IT'S ACQUIRING PROPERTY OR RELOCATING THE CURRENT PARKS BUILDING THAT'S THERE, AND MAYBE MOVING IT OUT WITH PUBLIC SERVICES AND USING ALL THAT LAND OR THE BUILDINGS AT. THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. THE STATIONARY PLAN FOR THAT STATIONARY HAS THE CEMETERY EXPANDING TO THE RAILROAD. YES. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. HAVE TO RELOCATE THE PARKS STAFF THAT ARE ALL PARKING THEIR EQUIPMENT. SO WHICH WOULD COST. WELL, THAT'S A QUESTION WE'VE HAD OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WE HAVEN'T EVER COME TO A DEFINITIVE CONCLUSION ON IS DO WE WANT TO STAY IN THE CEMETERY BUSINESS? DO WE WANT TO? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN IT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. I ALREADY TRIED TO SELL A CEMETERY. THEY DON'T BUY THEM.

THEY'RE JUST NOT EXPAND. AND I THINK WE'VE MADE IT SEVERAL TIMES, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON IT. BUT IS IT DO WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND EXPAND IT AND STAY IN THE BUSINESS OF

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THE CEMETERY THAT WASN'T DONE WHEN THE CEMETERY WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED. AND SO IT'S BEEN PART OF OUR ONGOING REVENUE FOR EVER. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO, BUT WHEN YOU'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH, THAT'S WHEN YOU REALLY. BUT IS THERE BACK IN THE DAY, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE WE'VE GOT THE CEMETERY UP BY THE WATER TANKS. THE 9090 THAT'S YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T PUT ANY NEW ONES IN THERE. NO. BUT WE YEAH, YEAH. IT'S, THERE'S, WE, WE DO A COUPLE A YEAR BUT IT'S ALREADY SOLD. BUT WE HAVE THAT CEMETERY THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THIS CEMETERY. SO RIGHT NOW CORBIN'S OBSOLETE. RIGHT. WE'RE IN THE CEMETERY BUSINESS. WE DON'T HAVE A REVENUE STREAM THAT'S ONGOING, RIGHT? I MEAN, ONCE YOU SELL A PLOT, YOU SELL THE PLOT. AND SO.

BUT WHEN YOU START OVER, THAT'S WHEN I GUESS YOU. IF YOU WERE TO BUY LAND, YOU WOULD SAY, IS THERE NOT A WAY TO START A PERPETUAL CEMETERY FUND? AND MAYBE IT HAS TO BE GRADUALLY FUNDED OVER 3 TO 5 YEARS, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE, I HAVE A HARD TIME CONTINUING SUBSIDIZING A CEMETERY WITH TAX MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. WOULDN'T THAT BE THE SAME THING, THOUGH? IF YOU'RE BUILDING UP A PERPETUAL FUND? BUT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD BUILD THAT UP AND OVER TIME WE WOULD DO THAT, BUT EVENTUALLY IT WOULD TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. RIGHT? AND THEN IT WOULD COME AGAIN. YOU'RE PUTTING AWAY DOLLARS THAT WERE TAXPAYER FUNDS IN THE FIRST PLACE, RIGHT? THAT SHOULD HAVE. BUT BUT WHAT WE WHAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WERE DOING IS WE WOULD BE MAKING A POLICY DECISION TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO CREATE A PERPETUAL CEMETERY FUND, AND IT COSTS US X AMOUNT OF TAXPAYER MONEY OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. IS THAT A BETTER POLICY TO SAY IT COST TAXPAYER MONEY FOR FIVE YEARS AND FUND IT THEN, THEN TO FOREVER. AND I THINK WE NEED TO AT LEAST EXPLORE THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT ON THE HOOK FOR CEMETERY MAINTENANCE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, YOU KNOW, FOREVER. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT STEPS SO THAT, YOU

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BUT BUT WE REALLY DO NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET TO A PERPETUAL CEMETERY FUND THAT WOULD PAY FOR ONGOING OPERATIONS WITHOUT THE GENERAL FUND. AND IF THAT MEANS PUTTING GENERAL FUND MONEY IN IT FOR A SHORT TERM, WE'RE GOING TO BE BETTER OFF PAYING FOR IT ALL THE TIME IN THE LONG TERM. RIGHT? SO YOU CAN DO THAT PRETTY QUICKLY IF YOU LOOK BUDGETS $325,000 FOR CEMETERY BUDGET. IF YOU ASSUME A LOT OF TO MAKE THE NUMBERS, YOU SAY YOU ASSUME A 5% INTEREST RATE, THAT'S $7 MILLION OF ONE TIME MONEY. SO YOU TAKE $7 MILLION OF ONE TIME MONEY TO MAKE THE ENDOWMENT. IF THAT ENDOWMENT FOR THE CEMETERY, THAT PERPETUAL FUND GETS A 5% RETURN EVERY YEAR, THEN YOU TAKE THE INTEREST OFF THAT $7 MILLION TO FUND IT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF THE PROPONENT THAT MAKES THAT $7 MILLION UNTOUCHABLE. BUT THEN THAT 7 MILLION IS PERMANENTLY SET ASIDE. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. COUNCIL HAS THE DESIRE TO SPEND $7 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS. IT WORKS A LOT BETTER WHEN IT STARTED FROM SCRATCH, RIGHT? WHEN EVERY SINGLE PLOT SALE FROM THAT CEMETERY GOES TOWARDS A PERPETUAL CARE FUND. LIKE DOING IT LIKE KETCHUP IS REALLY TOUGH.

IT IS TOUGH. SO THE ONES THAT ARE LEFT, WE HAVE TO SELL FOR A LOT. THERE YOU GO. WELL. AND THAT'LL SLOW DOWN THE BUILD OUT. THERE YOU GO. HOW DO YOU LIKE COLUMBARIUMS THIS NEW THING YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR YOU LOOK TO ADD MORE OF THOSE TYPES OF FEATURES. I THINK COUNCILMEMBER WHITELOCK'S GOT A GOOD POINT. ARE THE COSTS ARE THE COSTS THAT WE'RE CHARGING. MEETING THE CURRENT EXPENSES. AND THIS JUST ISN'T THE CEMETERY. THIS IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. THIS IS ALL ALL THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULES, RIGHT? I LOOK AT THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE AND I'M GOING TO DEVIATE A LITTLE BIT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BURIAL PLOTS, BUT THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE, SOME OF THOSE CONSOLIDATED FEES HAVEN'T BEEN ADJUSTED SINCE, YOU KNOW, CHIEF MAXWELL WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. AND I KNOW THAT'S ONLY 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO, BUT BUT BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. WE DON'T ADJUST FEES ON. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE OUGHT TO ADJUST FEES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, BUT WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE DOING IS ON A RECURRING BASIS EVERY 2 OR 3 YEARS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THE COST OF THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE COST OF LICENSE AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE BUSINESS LICENSE DISCUSSION ON WHETHER WE OUGHT TO LICENSE OR NOT. SO I'M NOT GOING THERE, BUT I'M BUT IF THE IDEA OF A BUSINESS LICENSE FEE IS TO RECOVER COSTS, RIGHT.

AND WE LET IT GO FOR 5 TO 10 YEARS AND IN INTEREST AND IN TEN YEARS AT TWO, 2% A YEAR, THAT'S 20% COMPOUNDED. BUT OUR EMPLOYEE COSTS GO UP 3 TO 5% A YEAR BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF. AND WE'RE TRYING TO RECOVER EMPLOYEE COSTS. SO I GUESS THE BETTER EXAMPLE IS WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO HIRE AN EMPLOYEE TO MANAGE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR PROGRAM. RIGHT. THERE'S A COST FOR THAT $100,000 PLUS $100,000 A YEAR PLUS OR MINUS IN THE FORMULA. RIGHT? OKAY. SO THE GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM HAS GOT TO GENERATE $100,000 TO COVER THAT PERSON. RIGHT. IF, IF, IF THE CPI GOES UP OR THE COSTS GO UP BECAUSE OF INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND IT GOES UP TO IT GOES TO THE PERSON. NOW INSTEAD OF $100,000 A YEAR, IT COSTS US 120, BUT WE'RE ONLY COLLECTING 100. THEN WE'VE WE'VE GOT TO ADJUST THOSE FEES COMMENSURATE WITH THE COSTS ON A LEAST A MORE PERIODIC BASIS TO JACK UP TO, TO COVER THE COSTS OF THE EMPLOYEE. RIGHT. WE DO DO WE DO ASK IF CORBIN ASKS EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD TO REVIEW THEIR FEES EVERY SINGLE YEAR, TRY AND GET TO THAT COST RECOVERY. SO I SEE A LOT OF FEES THAT ARE SAYING IT'S THE SAME. THEY'RE THE SAME SINCE 2016.

THAT'S THE CEMETERY IS 2016 IS THE OLDEST IN 2020 I JUST AND HOW MUCH HAVE THINGS CHANGED IN FIVE YEARS WITH THE COST OF EVEN JUST CEMETERY PERSONNEL. AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE I DON'T

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AND SO FOR ME, WHEN LAND BECOMES LESS AVAILABLE, THE PRICE GOES UP. THAT'S JUST NOT WRONG. SO PART OF THIS PROCESS WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO LOOK AT JUST TO THROW THIS OUT, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT TONIGHT, BUT PART OF WHAT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO TALK ABOUT IS GOING THROUGH THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE. AND IF THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING UPDATED SINCE 2016, WE'RE COMING IN TEN YEARS OF NOT ADJUSTING THAT FEE AND SOME OF THE FEES TO WE'VE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT THERE'S SOME SOCIAL ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO. RIGHT. LIKE SOME OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER FEES. YEAH. SO BUT AND SOME OF THEM ARE LEGISLATIVE. BUT IN SUMMER LEGISLATIVE I GET THAT. BUT AND SOME THERE'S A BENEFIT. BUT IF THERE'S A BENEFIT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE SAID THE BENEFITS HERE AND WE'RE WILLING TO SUBSIDIZE THIS MUCH. AND NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THIS MUCH. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT? WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO SUBSIDIZE AND WHAT'S THE COST? COST? BUT WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO SAY, LEAVE THE FARM HERE AND THEN WATCH, WATCH INFLATION TAKE US DOWN OVER TIME LIKE THIS TO WHERE THE FEE THEN IT BECOMES. WELL, THE FEES ABSOLUTELY USELESS. WHY ARE WE EVEN CHARGING. RIGHT. SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A HOLISTIC VIEW OF THE FEES WE HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE 2025 CEMETERY BUDGET? ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO EVENTS. SO THERE'S A 5.3% INCREASE IN EVENTS. VERY SMALL INCREASE IN PERSONNEL COSTS. AND AGAIN THAT HAS TO DO WITH TURNOVER AND ATTRITION OVER TIME HAS TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME THAT ALL OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS IF WE SEND POLICE OFFICERS TO WESTERN STAMPEDE OR PARKS WORKERS, WHOMEVER, THE OVERTIME IS CHARGED TO EVENTS SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THE EVENTS REALLY IS. SO THAT WAS WHAT THE OVERTIME BUDGET IS. 75,000 OPERATIONS CHANGED 2000, AND THEN EVENTS CHANGED ABOUT $25,000, AND THEN INDIRECT COSTS CHANGED SLIGHTLY. WE'RE ADDING SIX NEW EVENTS. MANY OF THEM ARE PARTNERING WITH THIRD PARTY PROVIDERS. THEY'RE COSTING THE CITY ANYTHING TO DO. THE $25,000 IS REALLY TO CREATE SOME MOMENTUM ON SOME OF THESE OTHER EVENTS. ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM EVENTS. WESTERN STAMPEDE TICKET PRICES WERE INCREASED. WE ADDED A PLATINUM PASS TO STAMPEDE. WE ARE CONTINUING WITH PAID PARK PARKING AND THEN AGAIN PARTNERING WITH THOSE THIRD PARTY PROVIDERS. SO QUESTIONS FOR COREY ABOUT THE EVENTS. NO, THE PAID PARKING NEEDS TO INCLUDE LIKE A SPECIAL DIRT ROAD FOR JUST THOSE PEOPLE TO GET OUT. AMEN TO THAT. WE ARE EXPLORING KIND OF WAYS WE CAN DO THAT, EVEN WITH THE LINE EVEN, EVEN WE'RE EXPLORING THIS YEAR, OUR PAID PARKING, THE IMPACT OF THE ARTS BUILDING THERE, AND THEN THOSE DETENTION BASINS IS KIND OF MADE US QUESTION HOW WE DO THIS. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ROUTES, WHAT WE CAN DO. SO YEAH. SO MY QUESTION IS GOING TO BE FROM FROM AN AUDIT STANDPOINT. ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY THAT THE PARKING REVENUE IS BEING ACCOUNTED FOR.

I SEE A NOD THERE. NOPE. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT IF WE HAVE PAID PARKING, IF WE HAVE PAID PARKING, CAN WE TAKE IT SOLELY BY CARD SO THAT WE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CARD READERS. RIGHT.

BUT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS PROVIDING THEM WITH TICKETS THAT ARE NUMERIC IN ORDER. IF THEY SELL 50 TICKETS, THEY BETTER HAND ME $500. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S OUTSOURCED. SO IT'S THE OTHER THING WE LOOKED AT THIS LAST YEAR. IT'S NOT A HUGE REVENUE. IT'S ALMOST AND WE DO PAY OVERTIME FOR PEOPLE TO STAND THERE AND HELP FIND THOSE PAID PARKING LOTS. SO THAT'S I'VE ASKED THIS YEAR TO DO MORE OF A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS ON THAT, BECAUSE IF IT'S IF YOU IT'S LIKE IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH HAVING. HOW MANY RODEOS I GO TO, MOST IS JUST SHOW UP THE FIRST TIME YOU GET CLOSEST. HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS DO WE HAVE? THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO LOOK THIS YEAR. WE'RE TRYING TO MAP THAT OUT WITH BUILDING WITH THE DETENTION BASINS THAT ARE THERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN SQUEEZE IN. SO I JUST I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR

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HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE GENERATE FROM PARKING IN GENERAL? MAYBE THAT'S THE IT WAS LIKE 50. YEAH, IT WAS LIKE SAY LIKE I WOULD SAY IT'S A DROP IN THE BUCKET. LIKE IF ALL WE'RE GENERATING. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN. SO WE DIDN'T TRACK THAT LAST YEAR. I MEAN I GUESS THAT'S THAT'S A VALID POINT IS IF WE'RE SPENDING HOW MUCH MONEY ON CENTENNIAL EVENT SERVICES TO STAND AND COLLECT, WELL, THEY'RE NOT JUST COLLECTING. A LOT OF OUR STAFF COLLECT. CENTENNIAL MANAGEMENT HELPS WITH THE ROAD CLOSURES, LETTING VENDORS IN. THEY'RE NOT JUST THEY'RE DOING OTHER THINGS, BUT IF WE'RE PAYING PEOPLE OVERTIME AND WE'RE PAYING CENTENNIAL MANAGEMENT AND ALL WE'RE BRINGING IN IS $1,500, YEAH, IT'S NOT MUCH I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH IT.

AND THEN THE AND THEN IF BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORTH IT. I'M WITH KENT. LET'S JUST OPEN UP THE PARKING. YEAH. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOME VIP PARKING WITH THE VIP PASS, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S THAT YOU PARK WHERE YOU PAY THE PRICE OF THE TICKET. PARKING IS FREE. WE. YEAH. AS AN EVENT STAFF, WE TALKED ABOUT WE COMPLETELY AGREE BECAUSE IT IS AN ADDED STRESS TO US. WE DO WANT TO WE'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT'S OUR FIRST YEAR WITH THE ARTS BUILDING THERE, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE VIP PARKING AREA. SO NOW WE'RE HOPING WE'LL RUN THROUGH IT THIS FIRST YEAR, HAVING THE ARTS BUILDING KIND OF LAYOUT THAT WE CAN GET A GOOD PLAN GOING NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO IT OR NOT. YOU CAN PUT THE VIP AND NICE PARKING AREA AND JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GOLF CART, A GOLF CART. WE'VE TALKED TO THOSE PEOPLE AND MAKE THAT THAT'S A VIP GOLF CART THING, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PARK IN THE DIRT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST BEEN HARD AS KIND OF THE LAYOUT. IT SEEMS LIKE OUR EVENTS, IT'S CHANGED ON THE LAST FEW YEARS. IT'S BEEN TRICKY. SO ARE WE ON CONTRACT WITH THESE THIRD PARTY VENDORS LIKE THEM, OR IS IT ANNUAL OR SOME OF THEM ARE ANNUAL? SOME ARE EVERY THREE 3 TO 5 YEARS. SOME OF THE MORE WE TRY TO. THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST WONDERING IS HOW ARE THESE MULTI YEAR. CAN WE PUSH MORE TO MULTI YEAR TO SAVE SOME MONEY. THAT SORT OF THING WHICH WE TRY TO.

YEAH. WHICH WE DO FOR OUR BIG CONTRACTS. THIS ONE CENTENNIAL. RIGHT. IT'S MORE OF A YEARLY.

ONE THAT WE JUST GOT A TEN YEAR CONTRACT. SAID SORRY. WE HAVE A LOT THAT ARE MULTI YEAR WITH A ONE YEAR OPTION TO RENEWAL. BUT THEN WE DO STILL HAVE A LOT THAT ARE JUST ONE YEAR CONTRACTS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT EVENTS? I JUST IF WE LOOK AT THE FORM THAT YOU GAVE US, IT'S CLEAR THAT EVENTS WILL NEED ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER IF WE CONTINUE TO ADD EVENTS. THAT'S WHAT HER NUMBERS SAY, WHICH MEANS NEXT YEAR THEY'LL BE ASKING FOR ANOTHER. WE'RE NOT.

WE WON'T. I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS, OUR EVENT STAFF IS GREAT, BUT ALSO ALSO WE GO TO EVENTS CONFERENCES AND WE HAVE OTHER CITIES JEALOUS THAT WE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, POLICE, FIRE. THEY HELP LIKE CRAZY. LIKE NOW TAKING OVER TICKETING. THE CITY HERE DOES A TREMENDOUS JOB.

I MEAN, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BUT A LOT OF IT DOESN'T SHOW THE HELP THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS DO. I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT CRASH TRAINING A LOT LAST NIGHT EVENTS. I THINK WE'RE THE BEST AT IT. WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE STAFF BECAUSE THEY'RE FUN. THEY'RE FUN

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IT STARTS WITH I. WE NEED A BIG, GOOD COMMUNITY COMMITTEE THAT CAN START HELPING GET US. OF COURSE, I AGREE. I WISH WE COULD HAVE THE STAFF TO GO OUT, GET ALL THESE PEOPLE TO COME BECAUSE THAT JUST THAT ROI. THAT'S GREAT. WE'RE TRYING. YEAH IT IS. I WANT IT TO BE. I WANT TO SAY SHE'S BROUGHT IN AT LEAST $100,000. YEAH. SHE'S CORBIN HERE'S HERE'S MY PROBLEM WITH THAT SAYING I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP 1500 BUCKS. WE'RE PAYING STAFF. WE'RE PAYING CENTENNIAL MANAGEMENT TO COVER THAT. AND IF AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT IS, BUT IF WE CAN FIND OUT IF OUR COSTS ARE SO CLOSE TO THAT 1500 BUCKS AND WE PULLED THOSE PEOPLE OFF, THEN AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A $1.3 MILLION BUDGET, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1500 BUCKS. WELL, I'M SAYING IS I UNDERSTAND RIGHT. IF THE NET REVENUE THE NET REVENUE IS NOTHING, WHY ARE WE DOING IT RIGHT? COREY. TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS IS KIND OF RESPONDING OFF THE CUFF. I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT HE'S GETTING IN COST RELATIVE TO THAT 1500 IN REVENUE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE OUTRIGHT. IF WE FIND THAT, HEY, THERE'S A WAY TO KEEP CAPTURING THAT REVENUE AND USE IT TO HELP WITH THE OVERALL. AND IF WE CAN DO IT IN A WAY THAT INCREASES THE NET BENEFIT. NOT DECREASES. GREAT IDEA. I HEARD THAT I REALLY LIKED WAS LET'S LET'S HAVE THE VIP PARKING INCLUDED IN THE VIP TICKET. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE DISCUSSED SEVERAL OPTIONS. IF WE DID THAT, THE OPTIC OF OH, NOW I HAVE TO PAY FOR PARKING IS GONE BECAUSE IT'S JUST INCLUDED IN THE EXPERIENCE AND PEOPLE HAVE A MUCH BETTER FEEL COMING. I FEEL LIKE THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR PARKING.

THERE IS A LOT OF PARKING FOR THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO WALK A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WALK, THEN YOU PAY FOR. THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. IF THE ANNUAL REVENUE IS $1,500, OKAY, JUST INCREASE THE COST OF THE TICKET 25 OR WHATEVER IT IS TO EQUAL TICKETS TO THAT. ON HOW MANY VIP TICKETS DO WE SELL? OH. DO WE SELL A HUNDRED? WE SELL. IT'S BASED ON MONEY. BUT THIS YEAR WE'LL HAVE THE PLATINUM PASS 100 PER EVENT. WE'D LIKE TO START PROMOTING THOSE EVEN MORE. YEAH. SO 100 FOR THAT. YEAH. FOR ONE THING. SO IF YOU DID ADDED $5 A TICKET

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EVERYBODY, LET'S JUST ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY WHO COMES AND IT'S NOT EVERYBODY, BUT 99% OF THE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP AT THE RODEO PARK, A CAR SOMEWHERE RIDE IN A CAR. YEAH. OR WHATEVER, 105% WHEN YOU'RE LEAVING. RIGHT. WELL, THERE'S THE CARNIVAL TOO, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. RAISE, RAISE THE TICKET PRICES FOR THE RODEO. AN EXTRA DOLLAR EVERY. SO EVERYBODY HAS NOW BOUGHT A PARKING PASS. THAT WAS I DON'T CARE WHERE THEY PARK, THEY CAN PARK ON THE STREET. THAT'S THE POINT I WAS GOING TO SAY ABOUT IF WE'RE SAYING THAT, I JUST SAID 500, DOLLARS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. FIVE. A LOT MORE THAN $1,500 BACK. YEAH. FOR THAT. AND NOW YOU SAY AND WE HAVE FREE PARKING. YEAH. THAT'S. WELL, NO, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED TO CITIES THAT DO IT. THEN THEY'VE SAID THIS. WELL THEN WE GET PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T, WE'D LIKE OUR OWN. IT'S JUST LIKE SITTING AROUND A TABLE AND SAYING, WELL, HOW SHOULD WE CHARGE FOR CREDIT CARD FEES? YOU DON'T. BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT ALL THE PRICES. AND THAT WAY WHEN SOMEBODY PAYS CASH, YOU'RE GETTING A DEAL. AND THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT THE VIP TICKETS, $5, NO ONE WOULD BAT AN EYE AT THAT, DO IT TO EVERY TICKET. AND IF THE DONORS WANT A SPECIAL PARKING SPOT, OKAY, WE ROPE IT OFF. YEAH, WE LIKE THE VIP. OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IT. WE STARTED THAT. YOU'LL PAY $10 EXTRA, WHICH WILL COVER THE PARKING, BUT THEN THAT THE VIP TICKET, YOU GET A SPECIAL BUCKLE, OR YOU GET A HAT OR A SWAG BAG THAT COMES WITH IT IN THAT VIP THAT HELPS COVER THE PRICE OF ALL THAT. BUT WE HAVE EVERYTHING $5 UP TO VIP, 10 TO $15, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO IT BETTER ONCE WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY PARKING STALLS TO LAY OUT WHERE WE CAN PUT THEM. RIGHT NOW, IT'S STILL IT'LL BE OUR FIRST YEAR WITH THIS NEW LAYOUT. CAN WE DO IT THIS YEAR OR IS THAT WAIT TILL IT WOULD BE EASIER NEXT YEAR? YES, WE DO LIKE SAY COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT KIND OF THE WHEELS IN MOTION AND PLANNING AND ADDING LAST MINUTE CAN BE THAT MAKES SENSE. LIKE I UNDERSTAND IT IS 15 BUT THERE'S I MEAN WE'VE GOT ALCOHOL SELL OTHER REVENUE LIKE WE COULD DO I WANT TO DO COST BENEFIT ON ALL OUR EVENTS GOING FORWARD. AND I'VE ASKED OUR EVENT STAFF TO START DOING THAT. IT'S NOT JUST PARKING, BUT THERE'S OTHER AREAS LIKE WE'VE LOOKED AT THE MONSTER TRUCK. IT WAS LOSING MONEY A LOT. AND SO WE'RE NOT BRINGING THAT BACK THIS YEAR. WE'RE HAVING ANOTHER IN ITS PLACE. AND WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN THE CONCESSIONS ARE IN? AND I'VE NEVER I'VE NEVER ASKED ABOUT THIS. DO WE GET A PERCENTAGE OF CONCESSIONS. YEP. WE MAKE WE MAKE. THAT'S PROBABLY MORE REVENUE OFF OF THAT. WELL IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES, WE'VE GOT A GOOD PERCENTAGE OFF CONCESSIONS AND ALCOHOL. SO ON THE FOOD TRUCKS THAT COME TO THE RODEO. YES. ARE WE ARE WE GETTING A PERCENTAGE OR IS IT A FLAT FEE? I WILL I CAN FIND OUT AND SEND IT TO YOU. I KNOW, I DO KNOW IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. GENERALLY THOSE ARE FLAT. I THINK IT'S A FEW YEARS AGO THAT THAT WAS COMING TO ME. IT WASN'T THAT I THINK IT WAS A FLAT FEE. I WOULD SAY THE TALKING. I HAVEN'T ASKED FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. WELL, IF IT'S A FLAT FEE, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE ADJUSTED? THAT'S WHAT I WAS MY NEXT. WELL, IT'S EVERY TIME WE WHEN WE DO OUR RFP FOR THE FOOD TRUCK LEADS AND ALL THAT, THAT'S WHERE THERE'S NOW MULTIPLE LEADS. THAT'S WHAT'S NICE. THEY RUN IT. THEY DO THAT.

THEY'LL EITHER SUBMIT THAT HERE'S THE FLAT FEE. WE AWARD IT TO THE BEST CONTRACT OKAY. AND I'LL FIND OUT. WHO'LL. QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER TO FACILITIES. WANTED TO START THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CUSTODIAL TRANSITION, BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID THAT IT WOULD DISTRACT THE CONVERSATION WHEN WE REVIEW FACILITIES AS A WHOLE. SO IN YOUR BUDGET BOOKS, THE CUSTODIAL CONTRACT WAS INCLUDED IN BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS. SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION, I BROKE IT OUT. SO I REMOVED IT OUT OF BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS AND MADE IT A RED LINE. IN THE YEAR BEFORE, IN 2024, IT WAS 250 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS 260. WHEN WE RENEWED THE CONTRACT, IT WENT UP 30%. THAT'S WHEN COREY KIND OF SAID, I NEED TO DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD STAY WITH THE CONTRACT OR BRING IT IN-HOUSE. RIGHT NOW, THE COST TO CUSTODIAL STAFF IS $258,219. THAT'S FIVE PART TIME CUSTODIANS AND TWO FULL TIME CUSTODIANS WILL BE ADDING CUSTODIAL SUPPLIES OF ABOUT $20,000. AND THEN WE'LL ALSO BE ASKING TO PURCHASE A VAN FOR THAT CUSTODIAL, TOO, BECAUSE IT WILL BE TAKING CARE OF MULTIPLE LOCATIONS THEY NEED TO GET AROUND. THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $60,000. THAT'S A ONE TIME PURCHASE, AND THEN IT WILL NEED

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WE'RE ADDING THE ART CENTER. THIS IS A SWAG NUMBER. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE. SO THEIR BEST GUESS WAS ABOUT $105,000 IN UTILITIES LINE, THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS. WE TOOK OUT THE CONTRACT FOR THE 340, BUT WE ADDED IN HOLIDAY LIGHTING, ADDITIONAL HOLIDAY LIGHTING OF $30,000. AND THIS THIS IS A NORMAL MAINTENANCE BUDGET, BUT THIS YEAR THEY'RE GOING TO REALLY TACKLE PARK PAVILIONS, DO THEIR PAVILIONS AND RESTROOMS. YEAH. AND THEN ADDING SOME BUILDINGS AND GROUND MAINTENANCE FOR THE ARTS CENTER AGAIN 110,000. AND IF YOU GO TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE SOME OF IT. SO OUR 340,000, LET'S SAY THAT CUSTODIAL SUPPLIES AT 20,000, THAT'S ALSO IN THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS. BECAUSE PART OF OUR 340,000 WITH OUR CONTRACTORS, THEIR STAFF, PLUS THE SOME OF THE SUPPLIES. SO OUR SAVINGS IN THE STAFF, OKAY, WE DON'T NEED THAT THREE QUARTERS OF THE VAN. IT WOULD JUST GO TOWARDS SUPPLIES. SO THAT'S WHY THAT ALSO WENT UP. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ADDING SUPPLIES PLUS CLEANING SUPPLIES FOR THE ARTS BUILDING, WHICH WASN'T IN THIS CURRENT, WHAT'S OUR CURRENT CONTRACT? 140,000. THE. WELL YEAH THAT'S HOW MUCH WE SPEND FOR IT. WE HAVE A CONTRACT FOR THE SERVICES AND THE CONTRACT FOR THE SUPPLIES, WHICH TOTALS 350. OKAY. AND THEN THE INDIRECT COST TO THIS FUND, THEY REDUCE. SO PREVIOUSLY THEY LAST YEAR THEY DID 31.5% OF COST OF FACILITIES WAS ALLOCATED OUT TO OTHER FUNDS. THEY REEVALUATED IT FOR THIS YEAR WHICH WE HAVE THEM DO EVERY YEAR. AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE FOR US TO DO AN INDIRECT COST ALLOCATION IS EVERY YEAR WE NEED OUR DIRECTORS TO SAY, YES, THIS IS HOW MUCH TIME WE ARE SPENDING OR WE ESTIMATE WE WILL SPEND IN THE NEXT YEAR ON SUPPORTING OTHER FUNDS. SO THAT ALSO INCREASED THE COST TO THE GENERAL FUND BY REDUCING ALLOCATION OUT TO OTHER FUNDS. THERE'S THE ADDED HOLIDAY LIGHT LIGHTING 30 K. WHERE IS THAT GOING ALL AROUND, WHEREVER YOU'D LIKE YOUR TREES THOUGH.

CITY HALL, REDWOOD ROAD, THAT'S NOT MY REDWOOD ROAD. OUR PLANET. YEAH. REDWOOD ROAD AND TREES.

THE LIGHT COMING OR THE STRIP COMING IN IN THE ROUNDABOUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. REALLY. AND THEN IF WE COULD, IT'D BE GREAT ALONG 78 SOUTH. THOSE ARE OUR PLANS. THAT'S WHY I SAY DEPEND ON HOW MUCH IT KEEPS GOING UP EVERY YEAR, TOO. THAT'S WHY IT'S HARD FOR ME TO PROMISE FOR THAT COST.

WE'D LIKE TO ADD. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT YEAH, AS MUCH AS WE CAN. BUT IT'D BE HERE. WE'D REALLY LIKE TO LIGHT UP REDWOOD ROAD MORE. I'D EVEN LIKE TO 78 SOUTH IF POSSIBLE FOR MORE OF THE CARS AND PARKING AND SMALL. ARE THEY ONES THAT YOU CAN ADD IT? BLIGHTED ALONG REDWOOD ROAD? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. WHICH WE DON'T WANT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN FRONT OF

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IT'S HARD SEEING A SHEET KIND OF SHOWING THAT BALANCE, AND I COULD TRY TO SO THEIR EXPERIENCE, WHAT WE DID AT THE UNIVERSITY IS WE STARTED SOME POSITIONS A LITTLE MORE PAID KIND OF IN BETWEEN. SO THEY'LL CLEAN, THEY'LL WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS STUFF. I THINK THEY CAN HELP OUR FACILITY STAFF WITH A LOT OF THAT. I THINK NOT ONLY CAN WE CLEAN BETTER THAN WHAT THE PRIVATE CONTRACTORS DOING, BUT WE'RE IN CHARGE OF IT. AND IT COULD EVEN BE LIKE, HEY, THIS BUILDING LOOKS REALLY GREAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE HAVE DEPARTMENTS WE NEED TO HURRY AND MOVE THE SECOND QUARTER INSTEAD OF PULLING OFF OUR ELECTRICIANS AND OUR HVAC GUY. CLEANING CAN BE OKAY FOR RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ALSO QUESTIONING IF THERE HAVE BEEN CERTAIN THINGS DEFERRED BECAUSE THEY GOT MOVED TO THINGS, AND THEN IF SO, WHAT RISK OR WHAT HAS ANY NEGATIVE OUTCOMES COME FROM THAT? BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON THE ON REDUCING THE OPERATING COST VERSUS THE CONTRACTED VERSUS HIRING. I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW HIRING THE CONTRACTORS WAS FULLY. I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO SEE THAT BALANCE AS IT'S SAVING US MONEY TO HIRE, OUTSOURCE OR OR IS IT GOING TO BE SAVING US MONEY AS WE HAVE MORE IN-HOUSE. SO THE MONEY WILL BE THE SAME? THE QUALITY IS GOING TO BE. THAT'S WHAT I'M. YEAH, THE QUALITY OF THE OTHER LONG TERM WILL AFFECT ONE OR THE OTHER. I GUESS IT'D BE THE CIP. SO WE'LL BE ASKING FOR EQUIPMENT. RIGHT NOW. WE PAY THE CONTRACTOR FOR CLEANING CHEMICALS BECAUSE THEY USE.

THERE'S WHAT I KNOW. THERE'S NEW CLEANING EQUIPMENT OUT THERE THAT IS COMPLETELY CHEMICAL AND IT CLEANS JUST AS GOOD. WE WENT AND SAW A TRADE SHOW LAST WEEKEND SO WE COULD DO THAT.

SAVING MONEY ON CHEMICALS, SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT. BUT WHERE IT'S IN-HOUSE, WE CAN KIND OF CONTROL THOSE THINGS. ROBOT VACUUMS TEN YEARS AGO I REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST I WAS AT THE UNIVERSITY AND THE FIRST ROOMBA WAS SOLD, AND I KEPT HEARING FROM EVERYBODY, THESE NEED TO VACUUM THE CAMPUS. THERE'S ROOM TO VACUUMS IN HOUSES NOW. NOW I'M HEARING ABOUT MONKEYS. BUT NOW, FINALLY THE ROBOT. THE ROBOT VACUUMS ARE FINALLY THERE. THEY REALLY ARE THERE. THERE'S NOW STATE AGENCIES BUYING THEM. SO THAT'S WHY I SAY, I THINK WE CAN DO A LOT MORE WITH THIS MONEY THAN JUST PAYING PEOPLE TO CLEAN. WE CAN GET VACUUMS, ROBOTS THAT WILL HELP CLEAN THOSE VACUUMS CAN EMPTY THEMSELVES. THEY CAN, THEY CAN. THEY'RE STARTING TO SEE THERE'S ONE LITTLE PICK UP I WOULD RATHER THIS YOU. YEAH, I WOULD RATHER IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY, I WOULD RATHER SPEND. LESS THAN $30,000 ON ROBOTIC EQUIPMENT AND START TESTING IT.

THE ROBOTIC LAWN MOWER, THE ROBOTIC SNOWBLOWER. I'D RATHER SPEND $20,000 ON A COUPLE OF THOSE ITEMS THAN SPEND MONEY ON HOLIDAY LIGHTS SO THAT WE CAN WE CAN START BEING IN THE FUTURE AND START TO LEARN HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY WORKS AND HOW IT APPLIES THAT WHEN WE DECIDE WE WANT TO ROLL THIS OUT FULL SCAL. AND, YOU KNOW, AND I'D EVEN BE WILLING TO TAKE IT A ONE TIME MONEY AND NOT SPEND THE 30,000 ON LIGHTS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO I THINK WE NEED TO START EXPERIMENTING WITH THE LAWN MOWERS. WE KNOW THAT THE ONE ONLY MOWS ABOUT THREE ACRES ON A CHARGE AND A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT IF WE DROPPED IT IN THE CEMETERY AND WE PUT IT TO HARD WORK AND WE SEE WHAT'S GOOD AND WHAT'S BAD, THEN WHEN WE REALLY STARTED, THEN WE WHEN WE START LOOKING AT RFP FOR THE STUFF THAT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO NEED TO MOW, ROCKWOOD PARK WITH THE FIELDS OUT THERE, WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT. AND IT'S THE SAME WITH THE ROBOTIC LAWN, THE ROBOTIC SNOW BLOWER, YOU KNOW, I SAW THAT ONE SEMI. IT DIDN'T. IT WAS IN SAINT GEORGE. THERE WAS NO SNOW. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU SEE HOW THAT ROLLS OUT AND CAN PLOW THE BUILDING AND COULD HAVE THE

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WE HAVE WE APPLIED FOR ANY STATE OR FEDERAL GRANTS RELATED TO ENERGY EFFICIENCY. SO FACILITY UPGRADES. OH WE'VE GOT WE GOT REBATES FOR THIS BUILDING WITH OUR FACILITY REBATE WE DID FOR OUR ANIMAL SHELTER AND LIGHTING CHANGES. WE MADE OUT. WE JUST DID FOR THE RODEO GROUNDS LED UPGRADES. UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS WHERE LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A WHILE. MOST OF THOSE GRANTS ARE NOW DONE BECAUSE IT'S TOO LATE, LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE IT SOONER. SO THERE'S NOT AS MANY RIGHT NOW. JEREMY OLSON I STILL LOOK BECAUSE WE ONE OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS IS FOR A BIG LIGHTING CHANGE OUT. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT OFFERING THEM LIKE THEY USED TO I KNOW WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT. YEAH. WE SHOULD HAVE. YEP. THAT'S A PART OF IT. WE HAVE ONE THING I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT. AND IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY APPLY TO THE BUDGET.

AND IT MAY, BUT HOW IS OUR BACKUP POWER STRATEGIES FOR EMERGENCY USE OF BUILDINGS AND SOLAR READINESS. YES. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH GEOFF MULCAHY QUITE A BIT ON THAT THIS YEAR ACTUALLY, BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO PROPOSE, WHICH WE DID ACTUALLY TAKE THE BUDGET COMMITTEE PROPOSALS. AND LOOKING AT WORKING WITH OUR ELECTRICIANS, WE FELT WE'RE PRETTY GOOD. FOR NOW WITH AS FAR AS GENERATORS GO, WE NEED TO GET THOSE LOOKED AT WHETHER THERE'S OPTIONS AND BACKUP GENERATORS, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON A BETTER PLAN. LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS WITH GEOFF. YEAH, THAT HE'S BEEN GREAT HELPING US OUT. LET'S GO ON TO PARKS. IN THE PARKS BUDGET. WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY NEW STUFF, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S AN INCREASE TO UTILITIES. WHILE IT ISN'T AN 18% INCREASE, THEY WEREN'T USING THEIR ENTIRE UTILITIES BUDGET. SO THEY BELIEVE THAT 34,000 SHOULD DO IT FOR THIS TIME. THEN WE HAVE SOME ONE TIME EXPENSES, WHICH IS A FIELD PREP MACHINE, OR A GRADER AND A SELF-PROPELLED SWEEPER.

AND THEN THE INDIRECT COSTS THAT ARE GOING OUT TO OTHER FUNDS, WHICH IS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, IS ONLY ABOUT 3%. AND THAT'S FOR THE REVIEW OF LIKE PARK STRIPS AND PARKS AND THAT KIND OF THING. BUT WE'RE NOT DOING VERY MUCH WORK WITH THEM RIGHT NOW. SO THEY INCREASE. THE PARKS BUDGET IS ABOUT 6%, WHICH IS GREATER BECAUSE IT IS FOR BASEBALL FIELDS, SOFTBALL FIELDS THAT WE HAVE ONE CURRENTLY. IT'S AN OLDER STYLE AND IT'S UP FOR A LITTLE BIT, SO WE NEED TO REPLACE IT. THIS IS A NEWER MODEL THAT THEY HAVE NOW IMPROVED. THEY LAST LONGER TIME.

SO IT'S THE REPLACE PREPPING BASEBALL FIELDS. THEY'LL THESE ONES WILL EVEN. SO CURRENTLY ARE JUST AN AUTOMATIC MACHINE OR KIND OF YOU STILL OPERATE IT BUT OUR CURRENT MACHINES BECAUSE BASEBALL FIELD IS SUPPOSED TO BE LEVELED PREVENT INJURIES FROM THAT. SO WE EYEBALL IT WITH OUR MACHINES OR THEY GET THESE NEW ONES HAVE MORE. YOU STILL DRIVE IT, BUT THEY'LL DO LASER GRADIN.

SO THEY MAKE IT LEVEL MORE SAFE AND PLAYABLE. AND IT'S THEIR JOB. THEN THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO GET UP AND RAKE IT AND LEVEL BY HAND IN THE LOW SPOTS THAT THEY CAN SEE. SO IT ADDS A LOT. BUT IT IS TO REPLACE ONE WE HAVE, BUT IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. ONE WE WOULD NEED TO. AND WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE BASEBALL LEAGUE TO SEE IF THEY'D EVEN BE WILLING TO HELP PAY, OR WHETHER IT'S THEIR SERVICE FEES, BUT WE FELT THEY NEEDED TO. IT REALLY WASN'T AS MUCH OF A SERVICE. THEY'D RATHER STICK WITH SERVICE PROJECTS. PURCHASING EQUIPMENT IS THIS MACHINE THAT'S A COST TO PURCHASE? YES. SO ARE WE PUTTING IT IN THE ONGOING REVENUE? SO THIS IS THE COST TO PURCHASE.

AND WE ESTIMATE THIS KIND OF MACHINE TO LAST BETWEEN 7 AND 10 YEARS. SO THEN WE'LL TAKE ONE SEVENTH OF IT OR ONE TENTH OF IT AND JUST TAKE IT OUT OF ONE TIME FUNDS AND KEEP THE BUDGET LOWER.

WELL YOU'LL STILL HAVE TO REPLACE IT. WELL YEAH, BUT 7 TO 10 YEARS, WE COULD USE ONE TIME MONEY AGAIN. THAT'S NOT HOW WE WORK. WELL WHY NOT? WELL, THAT'S HOW ALL THE VEHICLES ARE AT SOME POINT. WELL, I KNOW, BUT THERE ARE SOME. WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THESE TWO MACHINES IS INCREASING PROPERTY TAX BY ALMOST 1%. THE CITY, BY ADDING THAT TO THE BUDGET, IT'S $130,000 BECAUSE THIS IS ONE TIME FUNDS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A FEW MINUTES. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS USING ONE TIME FUNDS FOR THIS. THAT'S WHAT I JUST PURCHASED. BUT IT WILL INCREASE THE ONGOING BUDGET BY 10% OF THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO A COST RECOVERY IN THE FLEET FUND SO WE CAN PURCHASE IT WHEN IT'S UP FOR RENEWAL. SO WE'LL INCREASE, BUT NOT BY THAT MUCH. IT WILL ONLY BE 171ST INITIAL PURCHASE. THAT WAS THE QUESTION I ASKED IN THE FUTURE.

YES, YES. SO WE'RE ADDING 10% OF THAT TO THE FLEET FUND, BUT WE'RE NOT BUYING THIS OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AT $140,000. WE ARE WE'RE BUYING IT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND USING ONE TIME REVENUE STREAM. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I ASKED. YEAH. SORRY. I'M SORRY. WE'RE JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION ON PAGE 125. YES. FROM PARKS IS THE REASON THAT PASSIVE SPACE HAS

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WHERE'S THAT COVERED THERE PART OF THE OPERATIONS. SO WE TAKE THE NUMBER OF. SO IN SEASONAL WE DON'T COUNT PEOPLE. WE COUNT HOURS. SO I GIVE CORE I DON'T BUT WE GIVE COREY A BANK OF HOURS. AND THEN HE CAN USE IT HOWEVER HE WANTS. IF HE WANTS TO HIRE 500 PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM TWO HOURS EACH, HE CAN DO THAT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT ON THE OPERATIONS. AND ARE WE STAFFED ADEQUATELY ENOUGH? WHICH IS PROBABLY A NO. AND WE'RE YEAH. SO ONE THING, LIKE I SAID, I ENJOY DOING KIND OF REORGS AND LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SAY LIKE SO THE OTHER THING, WE STILL HAVE OTHER CONTRACTS THAT WE PAY CONTRACTORS FOR THAT I'D LIKE TO, I MEAN, IF FACILITIES AND PARKS AND ALL THIS, THAT IT'S LIKE YOU CAN COMBINE A LOT OF THOSE AND DO THAT. SO THAT'S ONE OF MY GOALS THIS NEXT YEAR. WE'VE ALREADY GOT A REALLY GOOD PLAN IN PLACE. DAVE NAYLOR AND OUR PARKS MANAGER, AS WE'RE WORKING ON THESE METRICS ON STAFFING AND HOW WE CAN GET THERE, AND ALSO JUST THINGS WE CAN DO DIFFERENTLY WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK FOR MORE PERSONNEL. SO YOU MAY ASK FOR PERSONNEL, BUT IT WILL BE A TRANSFORMATIONAL. YEAH, TRANSITIONAL DECREASE SWITCHED OUT TO PERSONNEL. AND THEN ARE WE OF REGULARLY EVALUATING GEOGRAPHIC EQUITY. MEANING IS THERE PLACES IN OUR CITY THAT ARE UNDERSERVED WITH PARKS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE UPON, OR ARE YOU ARE WE HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT AND NEXT THIS NEXT YEAR WE WERE GOING TO DO IT. THIS YEAR WE JUST DECIDED WE HAD TOO MUCH ON THE PLATE. WE IT'S TIME WE DO REDO OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN TO KIND OF SEE SOME OF THOSE NEEDS. IT WAS DONE IN 2018. I WAS ON THE OPEN LAND COMMITTEE WHEN WE DID THAT. YEAH, IT'S BEEN FIVE. I THINK THIS WAS ITS FIFTH YEAR.

WE DEBATED IT THIS YEAR, BUT WE JUST HAD KIND OF WHAT THE REC CENTER, THESE OTHERS GOING ON, WE DIDN'T WANT IT. BUT I THINK THAT BUT WE'VE TRIED TO LOOK AT IT. WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING SOME. COOL. ONCE WE GET TO CAP, I THINK YOU'LL SEE. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? I'M VERY CURIOUS. LIKE, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE IS INEQUITY GEOGRAPHICALLY? I THINK THERE IS. YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S JUST AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN BUSY, SO IT'S JUST BEEN KIND OF LIKE PUT ON THE BACK BURNER. AND I THINK IF WE KEEP IT IN OUR MINDS AND NOT ALWAYS ON THE BACK BURNER, WE WON'T BE PLAYING CATCH UP IN THE FUTURE OF TRYING TO BE LIKE, ALL THIS AREA HAS NOTHING. WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN OUR MINDS. IF YOU WERE TO MAKE A GUESS, WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT IS? OH WELL, IT'S INTERESTING TOO, AS TIME HAS EVOLVED. I MEAN, IT USED TO BE IN 30 YEARS AGO THAT POCKET PARKS WERE THE BIG THING. WE JUST WANT A LITTLE POCKET PARK IN OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. AND NOW WE'VE GONE TO THESE REGIONAL PARKS, RIGHT. THAT ARE MORE IMPACTFUL. SO YOU THINK, OH MY GOSH, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A REGIONAL PARK. BUT THEN WHEN YOU PUT ALL THE PARK PARKS TOGETHER, THE PER ACREAGE IS THE SAME, BUT THE IMPACT IS VERY DIFFERENT. YES. AND YOU SEE SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE OAK LIKE LIKE OAKS VISTA'S IN THAT AREA. YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY HAVE THE LITTLE POCKET GRASS THINGS. BUT YOU SEE, EVERY SATURDAY THAT PLACE IS PACKED. YEAH, PEOPLE ARE PRACTICING DOING OTHER THINGS. BUT YOU SEE, LIKE SOME OF THE LOWER INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT. THERE'S NO ACCESS. I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. SO WE DID. WE ARE ASKING. WE'LL GET THE CIP. THERE'S SOME NEW PARK AMENITIES THAT ARE JUST AWESOME, THAT I THINK WILL REALLY REVITALIZE SOME OF THESE, WHETHER IT'S LOWER INCOME OR THESE AREAS. I THINK THE NEXT FEW YEARS THERE'S SOME COOL STUFF COMING OUT. IT'S EVEN LOWER, MIDDLE, LOWER MAINTENANCE ON OUR STAFF AS WELL. SO. WELL, LIKE EVEN WE'RE WE'RE ZACK AND I LIVE THAT WEED FEST. SO MUCH POTENTIAL. BUT IT'S JUST WEEDS AND RIGHT OUT BY 78TH. YEAH. THE FUNNY THING IS, IS THAT'S THE

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IT'S SO WEIRD. IT'S SUCH AN ICE STORM. ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST LIKE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT SHOULD ORGANIZE A CLEANUP DAY. THERE'S JUST TOO MANY WEEDS. YEAH. THAT'S SO. OH, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. SORRY. ON SOME OF THE SHARED USE SPACES. I KNOW IT WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A SCHOOL OR AN HOA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF WE'RE SHARED, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PERCENTAGE OF SHARED SPACES WE HAVE, BUT LOOKING INTO HELP THEM OF THE OTHER SHARED PERSON HELPING MANAGE SOME OF THESE SPACES TOO, IF THAT MADE ANY SENSE. BUT THAT WORD COMMENT MAYBE READ WORD. NO I'M NOT. YEAH, REPHRASE THE QUESTION. SO I WORK WITH AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN. THE MERIDIANS, IF THAT'S WHAT THE MERIDIAN SHARED. PARK SPACES, WHETHER IT'S WITH A BUSINESS, A SCHOOL, AN HOA, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE OR IF THERE IS NOT A WHOLE LOT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION. I WAS TRYING TO GET OUT OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS HARD. YEAH, BUT LUCKILY THE COUNTY'S BEEN GOOD PARTNERS NOW. WE'VE HAD. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THE IRONY IS, IS THAT I THINK THAT WE DID IT. THIS THIS GOES BACK TO MY CONTINUAL ABUSE OF THE PC ZONE THAT WE DID 15, 20 YEARS AGO. BUT IF YOU GO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD JUST WEST OF YOU, AT THE CORNER OF 90TH AND 56TH, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE OPEN SPACE WAS THE SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE IS NO PARK IN THERE. AND SO WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT WITH THE DEVELOPER WITH THAT. AND IT'S FUNNY, IT'S FUNNY THAT WE ALLOWED THE DEVELOPER TO PUT A PUT A SCHOOL IN AND USE THE GRASS THERE AS THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LIKES THAT IDEA. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE PROBABLY DRIFTED AWAY FROM THAT, BUT AT LEAST I HOPE WE HAVE. NOT. BUT I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT BODY LANGUAGE. BODY LANGUAGE OVER HERE. YOU WEREN'T A FAN OF THAT, SCOTT. OKAY. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

AFTER WE'RE GOING TO CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? SURE. THIS IS YOUR WORK. SO THIS IS THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE OH, I'M GOING TO BRING UP A SORE POINT. I KNOW I AM THE STREET, THE STREET RUNNING THROUGH JORDAN VALLEY. TODD. THE ONE THAT THE MD, THE MDA SAYS THAT BIOTECH IS SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE OF THE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, WHATEVER IS THAT MONEY THAT GOES TO QUARRY, OR IS THAT MONEY THAT GOES TO BRIAN? AND WHERE IS THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET THAT GOES INTO REVENUE FOR THE GENERAL FUND? AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT ON AN AN INCOME LINE WHERE IT'S JUST MISCELLANEOUS FEES. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S NOT HOW MUCH IS IT A YEAR? WE JUST BUILD IT. OH YEAH. THE BILL. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE TOP OF MY HEAD. IT'S NOT HUGE. IT'S NOT A HUGE BILL. THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU COULD SAY IT'S 1800. I THINK IT'S 18 AND THEY'RE NOT MUCH I WANT TO SAY IT'S 1800, 1800. I WAS LIKE, I KNOW IT WASN'T JUST ONE. I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT. THAT I. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP COREY HERE FOR JUST A MINUTE AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH PARKS CAPITAL. SORRY. POLICE AND FIRE. VARIOUS PARKS CAPITAL PARKS CAPITAL IS UNDER CAPITAL PROJECTS. YEP. WHICH IS. ONE 6759. 61 7475 175 PAGE 175.

THANK YOU MAN. AGAIN, PARKS CAPITAL D RESERVES ARE ARE RELATED TO RESTRICTED IMPACT FEES FOR PARKS. SO FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE GENERAL CAPITAL HOLDS ALL OF THE GENERAL FUND OR THE GENERAL CIP. SO OUR REVENUE STREAM HERE IS OH MY GOODNESS, WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME. PARK IMPACT FEE FUNDS AND THEN SOME OTHER GOVERNMENT CONTRIBUTIONS AND THEN OTHER REVENUE. SO THAT'S THAT. AND THEN TRANSFERS IN ARE FROM THE GENERAL CIP FUND INTO THIS FUND SO THAT WE CAN DO SOME OF THE PARK PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPMENT RELATED. AND THEN OUR EXPENDITURES ARE $20 MILLION. PART OF THOSE EXPENDITURES ARE THE BOND PROCEEDS, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THAT PROJECT YET. WE'RE JUST GOING TO BUILD THAT BILL. IT'S BEEN DESIGNED. SORRY,

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE ASKED FOR MORE THIS YEAR BECAUSE YES. THANK YOU. ARE WE PUTTING IN THE RIGHT TREES? WE ARE. WE ARE TRYING TO. YES. AND WE HAVE A NEW WE HAVE CHALLENGED OUR STAFF TO DO MORE THAN EVER BEFORE. SO WE'RE ASKING WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY. PARKING LOTS.

THE MAINTENANCE ON PARKING LOTS AT 100,000 THAT ARE WRONG WITH BASEBALL LIGHTING PROJECT AT HALF A MILLION, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GET WELL. THAT'S WHY IF THERE AS OF NOW, THERE'S NO GRANTS. WE CAN'T FIND ANY GRANTS AVAILABLE. THAT WOULD JUST DO. WE'RE HOPING HALF OF THE LIGHTS THIS IS TO REPLACE OLD LIGHTS THAT ARE ON WITH BASEBALL FIELD LIGHTING, KIND OF LIKE SOME OF THE RODEO. IT'S ABOUT A 1 TO $1.2 MILLION PROJECT. SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SPREAD IT OUT OVER 2 TO 3 YEARS THERE. THE OLD HALOGEN LIGHT, THE OLD FIRST GEN. THOSE ARE TERRIBLE. THAT AN EMAIL TODAY ABOUT WHAT ABOUT AN ELECTRONIC SYSTEM. YEAH. WHAT'S THE. STREET THAT'S ALREADY THIS IS CITY SIGNAGE AT 118,000. AND I REALLY HOPE THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE OLD LOGO ON THE PARK. THAT WOULDN'T BE ON THIS, I'D SAY. SO WE'RE WORKING ON OUR SIGN DESIGN GUIDE THIS YEAR, WHICH WILL BE COMPLETE SOON. AND WE'LL REPLACE. WE'RE SLOWLY START REPLACING A LOT OF THE ENTRYWAY SIGNS. AND THIS ONE WE'RE ASKING FOR, WE CAN GET A PLAN, WHICHEVER I THINK WE'RE STARTING WITH THE. CORRIDOR ROADS COMING IN, THE WAYFINDING SIGNS COMING IN. BUT WE CAN MAKE WE CAN CHOOSE WHICHEVER SIGNS, OUR EXISTING SIGNS, A LOT OF OUR OLD FALLING, BUT ESPECIALLY IN OUR PARKS, A LOT OF OUR THE A LOT OF OUR MASONRY AND THEY JUST FALL APART. WE'VE HAD TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY. SO THESE ARE MORE OF A STANDARDIZED THAT'LL BLEND IN WITH OUR WAYFINDING SIGNS ACROSS CAMPUS. WE WON'T HAVE DIFFERENT SIGNS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF YEAH, IT'S NOT JUST FOR PARKS, BUT IT'S ALSO AS YOU YOU'LL COME UP. YES. YEAH. IT'S COMING UP 70TH SOUTH ENTRYWAY.

IT'LL TAKE PLACE. IT'LL BE ONE OF THOSE. THEY ALL HAVE A THEME AND WE'RE DOING THAT UNDER OUR DIA. YEAH. THAT ONE, THAT ONE I JUST USED AS THE EXAMPLE OF THAT ONE. IF YOU REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING OUT THERE IN THAT LITTLE PARK OVER BY HAYDEN, PETE AND YOU, YOU WENT TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE SIGN AND YOU SAID, WHAT WAS WHAT? YEAH, BUT THIS FIRST MONEY WON'T BE. WE'LL DO PARKS EVENTUALLY. BUT THIS IS MORE FOR ALONG THE STREET WAYS THE HIGH PARK. THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE THE SIGN OUT FRONT. NOPE. THAT'S AS FAR AS THAT'LL BE GETTING DONE HERE IN JUNE AS PART OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECT. SO YOU'LL SEE OUR FAMILY OF SIGNS SOON. FIRST ONE BEING HERE, REPLACING THE SIGN OUT FRONT AND THEN 70TH SOUTH. WHAT'S THAT SIGN OUT FRONT ISN'T IT? NOPE, NOPE. IT'S JUST A BACKLIT SIGN. SO. SO WHAT, DO YOU PUT LETTERS ON IT? NO, I WAS JUST LIKE A BLUE BLUE, BLUE, BLUE MEANS WESTWARD. SO ARE WE. IS THERE A WAY WE TRACK ASSET LIFESTYLE TRACKING? I'M SORRY. MY BRAIN. OKAY. LIKE WHAT YOU DO FOR STREETS AND FLEETS.

ARE WE DOING? CAN WE DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH PARK FACILITIES? TRACKING THE LIFE CYCLE OF THINGS. AND WE DO THAT. YEAH. LIKE WE DON'T HAVE IT SOFT. THERE ARE SOFTWARES THAT DO IT. I KNOW I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR THAT ONE DAY, BUT WE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SMALL ENOUGH THAT I THINK WE'RE OKAY. WE'VE GOT IT ALL WITH SPREADSHEETS AND KIND OF JUST I DON'T KNOW IF THE SOFTWARE STILL TAKES. YEAH, IT STILL TAKES A BIT OF MANAGEMENT ON OUR PART TO KIND OF HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE DIFFERENT SOFTWARE. BUT ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY ANYTHING OVER 5000 THAT'S ALWAYS TAGGED AND DOCUMENTED. THEN WE TRY WITH OUR OWN HAND TOOLS THERE, ENGRAVED AND MARKED AND YOU JUST PUT THAT INSIDE OF THE CITY WORKS. WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE. I'M NOT SURE CITY ALREADY HAS THAT RIGHT. I'D SAY IT MAY HAVE THE CAPABILITY. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ASSET MANAGEMENT THAT'S A GOOD THING, BUT WE DO IT ALSO. WE'RE STARTING TO DO WE DO IT FOR LIKE OUR AIR HANDLING UNITS, ESPECIALLY THE HIGH COST CAPITAL ASSETS. WE TRACK THOSE.

YES. EVEN IF WE'RE USING EXCEL YOU CAN GET GREAT REPORTS THAT MAYBE. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I SAY I THINK WE'RE THAT'S WHY I HAVEN'T PUSHED THIS. ANY TIME WE START BUYING POWER BI. LICENSES SO DOES EXCEL CORRELATES REALLY WELL WITH POWER BI? IT'S A FANTASTIC REPORT. IT'S JUST EXPENSIVE. NOW I, I'M ASSUMING TOO WITH REPAIR COSTS ARE ESCALATING. LIKE I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF THE INCREASE IN BUILDING GRANT FOR PARKS. AND YEAH, WE JUST ASSUMED THAT THAT THREE, 3.5% OF THINGS THEY SAID FOR ACTION. NOW IT'S ALWAYS SADLY IT NEVER GOES DOWN.

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BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. STREET PARKING ISSUES ALREADY. YEAH WE'RE WORKING WITH NESTOR FOR SOME ON STREET PARKING. IF WE COULD DO IT THERE OR ADDING IT AS WE GO ALONG AND THE ROADS EXPANDING THERE. BUT NO, ON THE WEST 200. YES. OH, YES. CORRECT. YOU CAN ALSO PARK ON THE WEST OF 23. SO PARK'S GOING TO BE ON WEST OF 22, NOT EAST OF 22. LITTLE PARK EAST OF 22 FOR THE PARKING WILL BE ON THE WEST SIDE. YOU CAN ALSO PARK. YES, YES. AND THE VETERANS PARK. WE'D LIKE TO START WITH GETTING PICKLEBALL NORTH. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING THERE WITH PICKLEBALL COURTS GOT $1 MILLION. THAT'S THAT'S NOT FOR AS MANY AS WE'D LIKE, BUT AT LEAST WE'D LIKE TO GET SOME STARTED. GET SOME AS MANY AS WE CAN. BALL COURTS ARE NOT CHEAP, APPARENTLY, BUT THEY ARE. THEY ARE HIGH DEMAND. AND WE ARE. THAT'S AN AREA WE'RE LACKING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE HERE. THE PICKLEBALL COURT IS A NON SEEMED PIECE OF CONCRETE RIGHT. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE. WELL YOU GET THE. YEAH THE POST-TENSION QUARTER WHICH IS.

YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S WHY IT'S SO EXPENSIVE IS THAT IT'S THE TENSION STUFF INSTEAD OF DRIVEWAY WITH THE STUFF IN BETWEEN WITH THE EXPANSION JOINTS. YEAH. SO THAT'S $14 MILLION OF PARK PROJECTS. THAT'S WHY IT WAS LIKE, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ELSE. RIGHT.

YEAH. THAT'S WHAT YEAH. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE DEBT SERVICE FOR THE SERIES 2024 BOND DEBT THAT WE ISSUED FOR THE $11 MILLION. IT'S $951,000. AND THEN WE HAVE THE GRANT FUNDS FOR BIG BEND. SO THIS I GUESS IS WHERE YOU CAN ASK YOUR BIG BEND QUESTION. SO THE $3.5 MILLION,

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WE'RE LOOKING UP TO THE NORTH OR TO THE. WE SPOKE TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ACROSS THE SIDE OF THE RIVER, BUT WE OWN PROPERTY ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM SEVENTH, NEAR SEVENTH, WEST DOWN TO THE RIVER.

SO WE WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT A BRIDGE THERE. WE CAN LET'S JUST SAY THERE THAT'S AN OPTION. IF YOU WANT A BRIDGE THAT'S THERE IS MONEY OPTIONS. YEAH. HOW COME THE BUDGET NEVER COMES TO US WITH THE MONEY FROM US? I FEEL LIKE WE MIGHT GET MORE GRANTS AND MORE HELP ON THIS PROJECT. IF WE WERE INVESTING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T JUST NOT PRIORITY WHEN YOU STARTED, THAT WAS TO HAVE ALL DONE BY GRANTS. THAT'S HOW THE CITY COUNCIL SET IT UP, SUPPORTING THE STAFF TIME, THAT'S FOR SURE. YEAH, THAT WAS BEFORE CORBIN WAS HERE. THERE IS. YEAH, THERE'S STILL THE OPTION OF YEAH. WHETHER IT'S REGIONAL PARK WE NEGOTIATE AND GIVE TO THE COUNTY OR THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT AS WELL. WHERE CAN WE MAINTAIN. IT IS TRICKY.

ALONG THE RIVER THERE'S MULTIPLE ENTITIES AND IT'S TRICKY FOR EVEN THE RIVER COMMISSION TO SAY AMERICA THE BIG BEAUTIFUL GRANT. WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH THAT WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH BEFORE THAT PERSON ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, THERE'S A BIG BENCH THAT IS CALLED THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BENCH. SO THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS IS THE BIGGEST. YEAH, IT'S HARD. SO HAVE WE GOT ALL THE COORDINATION DONE. WE HAVE THIS MONEY. WE CAN WE ARE ALREADY. YEP. WE'RE ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT. AND THEY HAVE JUST WE PAUSED. THEY'RE ON HOLD. THEY'RE WAITING BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATED THE MONEY COMING A LONG TIME AGO. SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN KIND OF FRUSTRATED NOT HAVING THE MONEY. AND WE HAD TO PUT WHEN DOES THE MONEY COME. 1ST OF JULY. WE JUST SIGNED IT.

I'M NOT SURE IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT GRANT REIMBURSEMENT AS SOON AS WE START SPENDING IT. SO WE SPEND THE 3 MILLION OUT OF THE OUT OF THE CIP FUND AND THEY'LL GIVE US THE MONEY BACK. NO, WE SPEND IT AND WE BOOK A RECEIVABLE AND THEN THEY JUST MONEY. SO. SO IT'S EVERY INVOICE. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING LOTS OF MONEY OUT OF POCKET WAITING FOR REIMBURSEMENT. YEAH. WE GOT A DESIGNER DESIGN. WE SEND IN INVOICES, THE DESIGNER IS READY.

THEY'RE STILL GOING. THEN AS SOON AS THEY FINISH THAT, THEN THEY'LL GO OUT TO BID FOR CONSTRUCTION. BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE CONTRACT DESIGN READY TO GO. OKAY, I'M GONNA DITCH FOR A SECOND, AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH NO STREET LIGHTS UNTIL THE UTILITIES. ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO POLICE REAL QUICK. HAVE WE GOT ANY MONEY? WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING BACK ON. CERTIFIED CASH RATES. YEAH. IT'S SO IT'S NEVER RIGHT. ALRIGHT, SO THE POLICE BUDGET ONLY INCREASED 2.7%. AND AGAIN, THAT'S FROM TURNOVER SAVINGS, THAT KIND OF THING THAT GOES ON OVERTIME IS CONSISTENT OPERATIONS DECREASE BECAUSE WE TRANSFERRED THE BAILIFF CONTRACT THAT WAS $170,000 IN THERE, TRANSFERRED IT BACK TO JUSTICE COURTS WHERE IT BELONGS. WE ADDED TWO PART TIME COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS FOR PARKING ENFORCEMENT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PERSONNEL. AND THEN DISPATCH WENT UP ABOUT 11%. THIS YEAR, YOU'LL SEE THAT BOTH IN POLICE AND IN FIRE. THAT'S THE VEC CONTRACT. EQUIPMENT IS PRETTY CONSISTENT. AND THEN INDIRECT COSTS, YOU'LL SEE A

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I GUESS THERE WERE INCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS THAT TOGETHER THAT I'LL GET THAT. BUT THE LAST 11 MONTHS THAT HAVE CAUSED THAT TO HAPPEN. BUT. WELL, AND PART OF IT ISN'T JUST TRENDS, PART OF IT IS AN INCIDENT RELATED TO PART OF IT IS ALSO WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE AN OFFICER, THEN THEY'LL PAY OVERTIME FOR ANOTHER OFFICER TO COME IN. WHEN WE'RE ADDING SOME SOME RESERVE OFFICERS THAT MIGHT HELP TO REDUCE THAT. RIGHT. SO RESERVE OFFICER PROGRAM. SO THAT WOULD THAT THAT WOULD HELP TO REDUCE OVERTIME. OVERTIME. YES. I SEE THEM OCCASIONALLY ON MAKE IT. OR IS THAT MAKING ANY DIFFERENCE FOR US. NOT YET BUT IT WILL SOON. BUT NOT NOT YET.

YEAH. SOMEDAY WE THINK MOUNTAIN VIEW AS WELL, BUT I SEE MORE WEST VALLEY POLICE ON MOUNTAIN VIEW THAN I'VE SEEN ANYTHING ELSE. ONLY FOR A COUPLE OF INTERSECTIONS WHERE HE'S GOT A CLOSET. OH, I GO FAST, GET IT FUNDED FOR BOTH MOUNTAIN VIEW AND BANGERTER. SO THE TAKING OVER OFFICIALLY ON JULY 1ST THIS YEAR. ALL BANGERTER THROUGH SALT LAKE COUNTY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A YEAR AGO. THEY STARTED TO RECEIVE FUNDING, BUT THEY'RE JUST TO THE POINT NOW WHERE THEY CAN STOP IT. YEAH. AND SO THEY'RE NOT FULLY STAFFED, BUT THEY'RE STAFF TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE TAKING IT OVER. SO STARTING ON JULY 1ST THEY'LL BE TAKING IT. WE'RE GOING TO COVER THIS IN AN UPDATE DURING CITY COUNCIL. SO WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT THEN OR NOW. BUT I JUST WANT TO DUPLICATE EFFORTS. SO IF SOMETHING ODD HAPPENED, LIKE A BODY SHOWED UP ON AN OVERPASS ON BAKER IN THE FUTURE, WILL IT BE SO? GENERALLY, YES. IF IT'S AN INCIDENT THAT'S JUST ISOLATED TO THE TO BANGERTER, WHERE MAYBE IT WAS A ROAD RAGE, ROAD RAGE INCIDENT OR AN ACCIDENT OR A HOMICIDE, A SHOOTING THAT HAPPENED JUST ON THE FREEWAY. THEY'LL BE TAKING IT. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT GENERATES IN THE CITY, LIKE A DOMESTIC THAT SPILLS OUT ONTO BANGERTER AND IT ENDS THERE, WE'LL PROBABLY TAKE IT. WE'LL WORK THOSE OUT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT WE DO HAVE A AGREEMENT IN PLACE THAT WILL HELP US, HELP GUIDE US IN THAT. AND THAT'S THE GENERAL IDEA, IS THAT THEY WILL HAVE PRIMARY JURISDICTION OVER BANGERTER AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN THERE FROM BASICALLY THE ON RAMPS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE THAT ACTUALLY TRIGGERED A QUESTION FOR BRIAN IN THE WINTER TIME WHEN MOUNTAIN VIEW GETS PRETTY ICY AT TIMES AND UDOT CAN'T GET THERE FASTER, I NOTICE OUR GUYS GO AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. DO WE GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT? NO. WE DISPATCH CALLS US, WE JUST DO IT. OKAY. THAT'S OUR WE DON'T GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REIMBURSEMENTS WHEN A HYPOTHETICAL DUMP TRUCK HYPOTHETICALLY LODGES ON ONE OF IN THE CITY AND IT SHUTS DOWN THE ROAD FOR HOURS, AND HYPOTHETICALLY, YOU HAVE TO GO SEND A TRUCK WITH YOUR OVERHEADS AND PROTECT THEM. DO WE GET REIMBURSED WITH THAT AT ALL FOR THAT? FOR THE TEN HOURS? NO. I MEAN, WE SUBMIT THOSE INCIDENTS TO RISK MANAGEMENT AND THEY DO SOME WORK TO RECOVER. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE. YEAH, WE DO. WE DO SUBROGATION WORK WITH RISK MANAGEMENT WHEN WE DO HAVE LOSSES IN THE CITY. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT EXPANDING FOR SURE. SO WE SUBROGATE FOR HARD LOSSES LIKE A DOWN STREET LIGHT POLE OR DOWN STREET SIGN. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WE SEGREGATE AGAINST INSURANCE FOR MAN HOURS, BUT TYPICALLY HAVEN'T. HISTORICALLY, HOWEVER, MAX AND I HAVE BEEN

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THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN HELP INCENTIVIZE, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS TO KEEP, BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE JUST TAKING. SOMETIMES I'M JUST I CAN GO OFF ON A TANGENT ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING THAT TO THE FULLEST ABILITY TO KEEP OUR OFFICERS HEALTHY. YEAH WE DO. WE HAVE IN THE PAST HAD A MANDATORY CHECK IN. AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT GOING BACK TO THAT. SINCE WE HAVE SOME OVERAGE THERE. THERE'S A THERE'S A TRADE OFF THERE. YEAH. WE WANT THEM TO USE IT AND WE WANT THEM TO BE HAPPY TO USE IT. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE FORCING THEM TO USE IT, BUT SOMETIMES THEY DO NEED THAT PUSH. SO CONSIDER GOING BACK AND FORTH AS BAD AS POSSIBLE. ALL RIGHT. ONE LAST QUESTION ABOUT TIME. SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THIS. IS I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ASK THIS, BUT I'LL ASK IT THIS PARTICULAR WAY. IS THE OVERTIME SPREAD OUT AMONG 100 OFFICERS, OR IS THE OVERTIME SPREAD OUT OVER FIVE? AND IF IT'S IF, IF, IF THERE'S IF IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER 100 I'M I'M OKAY WITH THAT. BUT IF IT'S IF IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE, DOES IT WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO. AND I KNOW A TON OF THIS OVERTIME MONEY IS WE DO GET SOME REIMBURSEMENTS BECAUSE IT'S THE HIGHWAY PATROL'S DUI AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS, IS THERE A WAY TO MITIGATE, A WAY TO MITIGATE OVERTIME BY DOES THAT MEAN IF WE HIRED A COUPLE OF OFFICERS, WE COULD REDUCE OVERTIME SUBSTANTIALLY, BECAUSE A COUPLE OF OFFICERS ARE GETTING ALL THE OVERTIME, OR IS IT SPREAD OUT OVER 100. SO WE CAN'T DO THAT. SO THE ABILITY TO WORK OVERTIME SPREAD OUT FOR EVERYBODY. IT'S THE OFFICERS AREN'T ABLE TO GENERATE THEIR OVERTIME TO SAY, OH, I JUST ALWAYS NEED TO STAY AFTER IF THEY'RE STAYING AFTER ON A CALL SPECIFICALLY THEY'RE USUALLY UNLESS IT'S AUTHORIZED. OTHERWISE THEY'LL JUST BE ABLE TO ADJUST THEIR OVERTIME IS REALLY TO COVER OUR SWAT TEAM WHEN THEY'RE GETTING CALLED OUT TO DO SEARCH WARRANTS OR BARRICADES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S REALLY BEING USED TO COVER OUR DETECTIVES WHO ARE ON CALL WHEN YOU CALL OUT, YOU KNOW, TEN DETECTIVES AND FIVE CRIME SCENE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING AN OIC FOR ANOTHER AGENCY. THAT'S A HUGE COST, AND IT'S USED FOR THAT AND THEN IS USED WHEN PEOPLE ARE GONE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF COMING FORWARD. SO PEOPLE ARE ON VACATION AND THAT GOES OUT TO THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT, AND EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP FOR IT. THERE ARE SOME WHO WOULD LIKE TO WORK MORE THAN OTHERS, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY STAY WITHIN OUR WORK MAXIMUMS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT WORKING EXTRA HOURS. AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR HEALTH AND THEIR ABILITY TO DO THE JOB RIGHT. AND SO I THAT GENERALLY OFFICERS AREN'T ABLE TO GENERATE THEIR OVERTIME AND SAY, OH, I ALWAYS HAVE TO STAY AFTER IT. WE'RE NOT GIVING OVERTIME FOR THAT UNLESS THEY'RE HELD AFTER FOR LIKE A HOMICIDE. AND IT'S GOING TO BE HOURS AND HOURS AND SAY, OKAY, EVERYBODY ATTACHED TO THIS THING, OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. IS THE FUNDING ADEQUATE FOR EVIDENCE HANDLING, DIGITAL FORENSICS, CRIME LAB NEEDS, OR ARE WE STARTING TO TIP A BALANCE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK DOWN THE ROAD OF REALLY MAKING SURE WE'RE ON TOP OF THAT FUNDING? YEAH, WE'RE DOING GOOD. ALL THOSE THINGS WE'RE. YEAH. WE'RE NOT TURNING DOWN REQUESTS. WE'RE DOING PROACTIVE THINGS WITH SOME COLD CASES, WITH SOME DNA FORENSICS. WE HAVE SOME GOOD PARTNERSHIPS WITH THAT. SO A LOT OF IT'S WE'RE OUTSOURCING BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. BUT WE'RE MAKING SOME GOOD. YEAH. WE'RE UP TO DATE ON THOSE TRYING TO KEEP ON TOP OF ONE OF THE ONE OF THE WISHES WE GET LATER ON IF WE HAVE SOME EXTRA. I KNOW EXTRA MONEY IS KIND OF LIKE A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS WITH CONGRESSIONAL ETHICS. NEVER MIND. BUT BUT YOU YOU WOULD STILL LIKE THIS BUDGET DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 180 K FOR THE AI TRANSCRIBER REPORT WRITING SYSTEM. RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN IT DOES NOT. AND WE DID A TRIAL FOR IT, AND IT'S A GAME CHANGER FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. I THINK AS FAR AS STAFFING, AS FAR AS THE ACCURACY OF REPORTS, AS FAR AS TRAINING OFFICERS TO NARRATE FOR THEIR BODY CAMERA, WHICH IS GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN TIMES WHEN WE'VE HAD INCIDENTS WHERE WE JUST WISH AN OFFICER WOULD SAY SOMETHING ON A BODY CAMERA AND IT TRAINS THEM TO DO IT

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WELL, IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE I THINK TOO, LIKE IF ARE WE MISSING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING? OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS KEEPING UP WITH THE GROWTH OF THE CITY IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY.

THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GROW. WE CAN GROW STAFFING WISE. WE CAN GROW TECHNOLOGY WISE, WHICH INCREASES EFFICIENCY. WE CAN CHANGE OUR PRIORITIES AND SAY WE'RE NO LONGER CARING ABOUT POLICING IN THIS WAY. I THINK WE CARE ABOUT POLICING, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND FROM WHAT THE FEEDBACK WE GET FROM YOU. WE CARE ABOUT POLICING IN A WAY WHERE WE, OUR OFFICERS, HAVE A CHANCE TO INTERACT WITH CITIZENS IN A POSITIVE WAY, NOT JUST IN AN ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY. AND I THINK ADDING THE EFFICIENCIES THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR AND CONTINUE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF STAFF EVERY YEAR HELPS US STAY IN THOSE IN THOSE. AND WHEN WE SEE A SUCCESS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE'RE REACTING WITH COMMUNITY. AND MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, WHEN WE SEE A SUCCESS OF SOMETHING BEING PREVENTED, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW ABOUT IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW THAT THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE BALANCE AND THE LINE THAT WE'RE WALKING IS WORKING, AND THAT WE'RE KEEPING THAT IN PERSPECTIVE. YES. I HOPE WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB WITH THAT BEFORE WE REALLY GET. NEED TO FIX THAT. YEAH. IF WE NEED TO GET THAT FIXED FOR YOU, DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I'M RELYING ON AND I USUALLY LIKE TO READ IT. YOU GUYS ARE SEEING THOSE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO USE THAT AS A WAY TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT OUR STAFF'S DOING, WHICH IS WONDERFUL. YEAH, I DO NEED TO GET FIXED JUST BECAUSE I HAVE A COMBINED WITH MY OTHER WORK STUFF, AND IF I'M LOGGED IN WITH MY WORK STUFF, I CAN'T LOG INTO THE CITY. SO IT'S JUST, OH YEAH, YEAH, IT'LL BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT THE AI SOFTWARE. DENISE, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY DO GO TO THAT SLIDE IF YOU'D LIKE. YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD. SO. HERE THIS IS THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET AND IN THE PRIORITY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROVIDED TO ME. RIGHT. HE WANTS US TO HAVE CONCRETE CREW FIRST. THAT'S AWESOME. GOOD JOB. POLICE WAY TO BE THERE. THEY'RE LIKE PARTNERS.

I DON'T THINK I GOT MAYBE BECAUSE I WAS LATE LAST TIME. DID WE TALK ABOUT THE LICENSE PLATE READERS AND WHAT THAT BENEFITS? SO THE AND SORRY, IT'S PROBABLY WHEN I WAS COMING LATE.

I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT, SO I COULDN'T BE. I'M A LITTLE MORE EDUCATED. WELL, AT UP USES IT UP. THERE ARE SEVERAL AGENCIES THAT USE IT UP IN SALT LAKE CITY, LIKE LICENSE PLATE READERS ARE CAMERAS THAT YOU CAN MOUNT THROUGHOUT THE CITY ON PUBLIC ROADWAYS, AND THEN AN AI TOOL WILL ANALYZE THEM. IT WILL LOOK FOR PLATE NUMBERS, AND THEN IT WILL QUICKLY ACCESS LAW ENFORCEMENT DATABASES THAT IT'S CONNECTED WITH. AND IT WILL ALSO LOOK FOR SPECIFIC VEHICLES. SO IF YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF A VEHICLE, A SUSPECT VEHICLE, YOU CAN PUT THAT INTO THE SYSTEM AND IT WILL LOOK FOR IT OR EVEN A DESCRIPTION OF A VEHICLE AND IT WILL LOOK FOR THAT. IT IS STATUTORILY. GOVERNED. SO THEY'RE ALREADY TOUGH CODES THAT SAY WHEN WE CAN USE IT, HOW WE CAN USE IT, WHAT WE CAN'T USE IT FOR AND WHAT WE CAN'T USE IT FOR, WHICH IS COVERED IN STATE CODE. WE HAVE ACCESS TO IT NOW THROUGH OTHER AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER CITIES. FOR EXAMPLE, ETA IS IN OUR CITY. THEY HAVE THEM, WE HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE. AND WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY BIG CASES SOLVED AND LOCATED SOME SUSPECTS FOR HOMICIDE CASES. SO THAT IN ITSELF, THE ROI OF SOLVING SOMETHING FASTER WOULD SAVE THAT OVER TIME. GOT IT. SO IN SEVERAL CASES, INSTANCES OF THAT, WHAT I'VE OBSERVED WITH WITH OFFICERS WRITING THEIR REPORTS AND THE HOURS AND HOURS LIKE FOR A TWO HOUR INCIDENT, THEY MIGHT BE SPENDING FOUR HOURS WRITING, JUST WRITING THE REPORT, AND THAT TAKES THEM OFF THE STREET. JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE ON WHEN WE TRY. WE DID A TRIAL WE ESTIMATED WE USED ABOUT FOR ABOUT 500 REPORTS, AND WE AVERAGED ABOUT 30 MINUTES, 20 TO 30 MINUTES PER REPORT OF SAVINGS TIME. SO OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE THREE MONTHS AND ABOUT 500 REPORTS, IT WAS 166 HOURS OF TIME SAVINGS WITH SIGNIFICANT. SO HOW MANY MORE OFFICERS ON THE STREET AT ANY GIVEN TIME, RIGHT. YEAH. $178,000 IS ONE AND A HALF OFFICERS ON THE STREET. ALSO, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY. SO THE AI PLAN, WHICH WE WOULD GET A SPECIAL DEAL FOR IS 178. JUST DRAFT ONE. IF WE JUST DID DRAFT ONE ALONE IT'S 119 ONGOING PER YEAR. THE AI PLAN GIVES US AUTO TRANSLATION, SO IT WILL TRANSLATE TO THE BODY CAMERAS

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RIGHT NOW, WE'VE BEEN TRENDING DOWN TO ABOUT 12 MINUTES PER SHIFT. THAT AXON DRAFT ONE REALLY STEMS THE TIDE ON THAT DOWNWARD GROWTH, AND I THINK DRAMATICALLY CAN EXTEND THAT GROWTH BENCHMARK SO THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GROW OUR OFFICER COUNT AS QUICKLY. AS CHIEF ROBERTSON WAS SAYING, MAKING OUR EXISTING OFFICERS MORE EFFICIENT. SO COULD IT I MEAN, WE HAVE POLICE OFFICER ONE OF TWO AND TWO OF TWO IS A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN THE AXON. THAT'S YEAH. THAT'S OUR WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEHIND STAFF WHERE WE'RE AT ALREADY BEFORE THE ACCIDENT BEFORE WE HAD AXON. SO HOW MANY MORE POLICE OFFICERS WOULD YOU ADD WITHOUT THE AXON. WITHOUT HAVING. SO IF WE COULD DO WE ONLY GAVE YOU POLICE OFFICERS AND NOT THE AXON. THAT'S SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OFFICER BEING $270,000 A YEAR, AND THAT'S THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO JUDGE WHETHER IT'S WORTH THE PURCHASE PRICE. RIGHT. SO I FEEL LIKE PERSONALLY, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, IT'S WORTH IT. BUT I, I WANT TO I WANT EVERYONE TO QUANTIFY IT. YEAH. YEAH. IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU OKAY IF IT REDUCES YOUR REPORTING TIME TO OUR INCIDENT COST YOU TWO HOURS IN REPORTING TIME. AND NOW THIS MAKES IT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A HALF HOUR IN REPORTING TIME. DO YOU HAVE AN HOUR AND A HALF THAT YOU COULD BE BACK OUT POLICING AND OR WITH THAT DISCRETIONARY TIME, MEETING THOSE BENCHMARKS, ETC? SO NOW YOU ALMOST DOUBLED YOUR CAPACITY OF EVERY OFFICER TO ACTUALLY BE OUT THERE RESPONDING TO COMMUNITY. ALMOST. YES. NOT QUITE. SO IT'S ALMOST THE EFFECT OF HAVING TWICE AS MANY OFFICERS OUT ON THE STREET AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE HALF AS MANY. PEOPLE OR A FOURTH AS MANY IN WRITING A REPORT SOMEWHERE INSTEAD. SO, SO TO SAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, $125,000 FOR A PERSON OR 170,000 FOR SOFTWARE, $178,000, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE DANCING WITH WOLVES WHEN THEY'RE GETTING READY FOR THEIR BIG BATTLE WITH THE PAWNEE AND DANCES WITH WOLVES, GUY SAYS, HEY, I GOT RIFLES BACK AT MY THING. A RIFLE MAKES ONE WARRIOR LIKE TO SACRIFICE THE TIME THAT I NEED TO GO GET THE RIFLES TO COME BACK AND WIN OUR BIG

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SO I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS WORD FOR WORD. IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE. WELL, THE THING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE THING. RIGHT, THIS MAKES ONE POLICE OFFICER LIKE ONE AND A HALF POLICE OFFICERS. IT DOES. AND EXCEPT FOR THE SECOND PART OF THE PICTURE, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE HAVING THIS INCREASE IN THE HIGHER PROFILE INCIDENTS, WHERE WE HAVE WHERE WE'RE HAVING DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE BUSY OR NOT, WE HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE MULTIPLE SCENES, BIG SCENES, UNFORTUNATELY, LATELY. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ALSO NEED TO ADD THE STAFF. AND THAT'S WHERE WHEN I'M BALANCING, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY I NEED ONE OVER THE OTHER BECAUSE TO ME IT'S ALMOST DIFFERENT. IT'S DIFFERENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EFFICIENCIES TO SAFETY. AND I ASK FOR TWO OFFICERS BECAUSE TO ME IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. HAVING ENOUGH OFFICERS ON THE STREET TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE BIG INCIDENTS. RIGHT. BUT IN A SAFE TERM ON AGGREGATE, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A BIGGER WE'RE GOING TO SEE A BIGGER RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR SURE FOR ESPECIALLY FOR THE COST FOR THE. THAT ONE SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER. DOES THAT MEAN WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE ASK RIGHT NOW? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE, SEVEN, 50.

IT'S A 4%. IT'S ABOUT A MILLION. 920 YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $1 MILLION THERE. YEAH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO RAISE PROPERTY TAXES. ANOTHER 4% TO COME UP WITH THAT MILLION DOLLARS. IF WE CAN, BECAUSE SOME OF THIS, SOME OF THIS, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH PROPERTY TAX, COULD COME IN WITH NEW GROWTH. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT NEW GROWTH. YOU'RE RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. AND SINCE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT NEW GROWTH IS, I DON'T WANT TO GROW ANY FASTER THAN NEW GROWTH. BUT IF NEW GROWTH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING A FIRE PERSON OR WE'RE GOING TO BE AT LEAST TALKING ABOUT THAT, WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO IS WE'VE GOT TO BALANCE THE EXPANSION OF THE NEW GROWTH PROPERTY OR THE NEW GROWTH IN PROPERTY TAX, SO THAT WE'RE WE REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE EXPANDING INDIVIDUALS AND PEOPLE IS, IS ABOUT THE SAME PACE THAT THE CITY IS GROWING AT. THAT'S TRUE. WHAT I DO NEED TO LET YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT IS THAT I'VE ALREADY BUDGETED $1 MILLION IN NEW GROWTH, SO WOULD HAVE TO BE IN EXCESS OF THAT TO FIT IN THE BUDGET. SO I ALREADY ASSUMED $1 MILLION IN. REMEMBER I SAID THIS BEFORE? I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. APPARENTLY HASN'T LANDED. NEW GROWTH MEANS NEW DEMAND FOR SERVICES. IT DOESN'T MEAN NEW REVENUE FOR EXISTING SERVICES. IT'S NEW DEMAND FOR SERVICES, THEREFORE NEW REVENUE TO PAY FOR THOSE NEW SERVICES. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID YOU'RE ADDING. NO, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.

IS A PERSON YOU'RE ADDING THE NEED FOR 0.001 POLICE OFFICERS, RIGHT? FOR EVERY NEW PERSON THAT YOU ADD. SO EVERY NEW HOUSE THAT YOU BUILD PAYS X NUMBER OF PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH IS NEW REVENUE, BUT IT DOESN'T FUND A NEW POLICE OFFICER IF WE'RE ALREADY SHORT. WELL, BUT IT SHOULD. THE NEW GROWTH SHOULD COVER THE COST OF THE EXPANSION OF THE CITY SERVICES. NOW, IF WE'RE BEHIND, THEN SOMEBODY TELL US HOW FAR BEHIND WE ARE AND WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE IT UP AS IF WE'RE BEHIND. THEN WE'VE BEEN USING NEW GROWTH FOR THE NEW GROWTH THINGS, RIGHT? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THOSE GROWTH INDICES, WHAT THE SPREADSHEET BENCHMARKS, WE GOT US UP TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE. BUT WE DIDN'T ON POLICE. YEAH. WE DISCRETIONARY TIME. NO. YOU DID A FEW YEARS AGO. WELL WE WEREN'T MEASURING POLICE DISCRETIONARY TIME A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BUT WE'RE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE TALKED ABOUT INCREASING AND THEN COVID HIT AND WE DIDN'T HIT THE WE NEVER HIT THOSE BENCHMARKS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. IS THERE ROOM IN THE GENERAL FUND LIKE RESERVES THAT WE COULD PUT TOWARDS SOME OF THIS? ALL OF THESE ARE ONGOING EXPENSES. SO BUT EVEN TO LIKE. IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS WASN'T A BIG ENOUGH PRIORITY FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROPOSE A 6% PROPERTY TAX TO COVER. SO WHY ARE WE BEING PUT IN THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN EXTRA 4% IF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE THAT WORKED ON THIS DIDN'T THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PUT IT IN THE BUDGET. I THINK THESE ARE IMPORTANT. I WAS JUST HAVING A HARD TIME DECIDING WHICH ONE IS THE HIGHER PRIORITY. I KNEW WE COULDN'T DO ALL OF THEM. I WANTED TO DO SOME OF THEM, AND SO I THOUGHT PERHAPS IF WE

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IF YOU HAD ZERO PEOPLE BUT YOU HAVE 10% INFLATION, YOU'VE GOT TO RAISE YOUR NUMBER BY 10% OR YOU'RE 10% BEHIND. I WOULD AGREE THAT YOU HAVE TO RAISE THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY TAX TO STAY WITH INFLATION. NEW GROWTH IS WHAT SHOULD COVER THE EXPANSION OF THE HOMES IN THE CITY. RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO DO BOTH IS WHAT I'M SAYING. I CAN PAY FOR NEW GROWTH AND INFLATION HAS TO COVER INFLATION. BUT WHAT WE'RE BUT WHAT WE'RE USING WHAT GROWTH MONEY HAS BEEN BEING USED SEE NEW GROWTH. THAT'S WHERE WE'LL AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT DENISE JUST SAID INFLATION GOES UP 3%. WE SAY NO, WE WANT TO RAISE IT 2% TO COVER INFLATION. WELL, WE'RE FALLING BEHIND THAT. WE'RE USING NEW GROWTH TO COVER THE OTHER 1%. WELL, AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU JUST HEARD DENISE SAY YOU BUDGETED $1 MILLION IN NEW GROWTH. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE'RE USING $1 MILLION OF NEW GROWTH FOR NON NEW GROWTH ITEMS. WELL, TO ADD A FIREFIGHTER TO ADD A STREET MAINTENANCE WORKER TO I MEAN, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT ARE ADDS THAT EQUAL NEW GROWTH. SOME OF THEM ARE SOME OF IT IS. BUT IT'S ALL OF IT IS ALL OF THE STUFF THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE BUDGET THE EQUIVALENT OF THE NEW GROWTH. I ALMOST DID THAT CALCULATION. I DIDN'T DO IT TODAY. SO I WILL BRING IT TO YOU NEXT TIME FOR SURE. COUNCIL, I'D REALLY LIKE TO FINISH SO THAT THE FIRE PERSONNEL. WOULDN'T MIND. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TIME. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO RECESS AND CONVENE AFTER OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN STAY IF YOU WANT, GUYS. YOU CAN GO. I WOULDN'T MISS IT. OKAY. WE HAVE OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS. CAN YOU. CAN YOU DO IT? CAN YOU DO ANIMAL SERVICES AFTER? YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN. WE'RE GOING TO RECESS SO THAT WE COME BACK TO THIS. DO WE WANT TO COME BACK IN THIS ROOM OR STAY IN THE. I WOULD RECOMMEND COMING BACK IN THIS ROOM. OKAY. SO WE'LL RECESS FOR NOW FROM THIS COMMITTEE AND RECONVENE AFTER OUR CITY COUNCIL AND OUR. RDA, RDA AND FAIRWAY ESTATES. ALL RIGHT. ANIMAL CONTROL. I'M GONNA KNOCK ON THE TABLE. CAN I START? RECONVENING? THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. WE ARE NOW GOING BACK TO DENISE AND ALSO TALKING ABOUT ANIMAL SERVICES, I KNOW OKAY. SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT ANIMAL SERVICES. THERE HAS BEEN NO REQUESTS IN THIS DEPARTMENT IN THE BUDGET OUTSIDE OF JUST THE NORMAL PERSONNEL REQUESTS INCREASED 3.3%. SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF ROBERTSON ABOUT ANIMAL SERVICES? OKAY. WE'RE QUICK CROSSING GUARDS OKAY. WE MADE A MISTAKE IN THE BUDGET. WE DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE IN THE NUMBERS. THE NUMBERS ARE GOOD. THE UNDERLINES ARE NOT GOOD. BUT THE 2% COLA WAS APPLIED TO THE CROSSING GUARDS. IT JUST WAS NOT REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET BOOK.

UNDER WHAT THE RATE WOULD BE FOR THIS YEAR. SO THE RATE NEEDS TO CHANGE. IN THE BUDGET BOOK FROM 1691 TO 16, 1591 TO 1623, FOR REGULAR CROSSINGS AND FOR SHORT CROSSINGS, IT WILL GO UP TO 1191. WE'RE ONE OF THE HIGHEST PAID CROSSINGS GUARDS IN THE AREA, SO WE'RE JUST CONTINUING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TREAT THEM WELL. SHORT CROSSING FROM KINDERGARTNERS AS OPPOSED TO YES IT IS. IT'S FOR THE HALF DAY. SO CAN WE DO WE ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM OTHER CITIES TO CROSSING GUARD OR NOT? I DON'T KNOW. CAN YOU SAY IF PEOPLE SAY, HEY, I'M GOING TO WEST JORDAN? TO PAY MORE MONEY, DO WE HAVE THE BEST CROSSING GUARDS? YEAH, WE DO THE BEST CROSSING. I'M JUST CURIOUS,

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NOBODY COMMENTED. THEY ALL GOT UP AND LEFT. IT'S LIKE. WERE THEY THERE FOR THAT? THEY MUST HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THEY WENT OUT IN THE HALL WITH SCOTT AND THE LADY FROM GARY HOLMES. ALL RIGHT. SO FIRE INCREASED BUDGET IS 2.5%. THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE FIRE WAS WILLING TO SACRIFICE OVERTIME IN EXCHANGE FOR A FULL TIME FIREFIGHTER. SO IT'S A VERY SMALL CHANGE IN THEIR BUDGET OVERALL. SO YOU'LL SEE THEIR OVERTIME REDUCED BY $60,000. OPERATIONS INCREASED SLIGHTLY, BUT NOT MUCH. AND THEIR DISPATCH COST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INCREASE IN POLICE OF 11%. I DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT INDIRECT COSTS. THE MAJORITY OF THIS IS FLEET. IT'S NOT REALLY IT SERVICES THAT'S REALLY SMALL FOR THEM, BUT THEIR FLEET REPLACEMENT PLAN IS PRETTY HIGH. WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FLEET REPLACEMENT PLAN OVERALL AS WELL, BECAUSE I GOT THE GREAT NEWS THAT WE RESERVED LAST YEAR, $1.5 MILLION TOWARDS A TILLER TRUCK REPLACEMENT. AND THEN CHIEF MAXVILL CALLS ME AND TELLS ME THAT IT'S REALLY $2.1 MILLION. IT'S ALMOST DOUBLED SINCE THE LAST ONE WE BOUGHT.

LIKE I SAID, HIS CARS ARE REALLY EXPENSIVE. YOU GOT EXPENSIVE $50,000 FOR A SIGN. I'M LIKE, I'M GOING TO TELL THEM THEY HAVE TO KEEP IT PARKED UNLESS THEY HAVE A FIRE THAT NEEDS A LADDER.

JUST KIDDING. THAT VEHICLE MAY BE THERE IS NO CANDIDATE HAD SOME SORT OF LADDER TO AFFORD EMS CALL WITH THE TILLER TRUCK ANYWAY. IT IS $2.1 MILLION INSTEAD OF THE 1.5, SO I HAVE 1.5 RESERVED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. WHICH MEANS I'M GOING TO NEED ANOTHER $600,000. I DO HAVE ONE TIME FUNDS THAT ARE COMING OVER IN 2025, WHICH IS SALARY SAVINGS, TYPICALLY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE COULD TRANSFER TO THE FLEET FUND TO MAKE THAT TILLER PURCHASE WHOLE. IF WE CHOOSE. AND I'LL DO THE NUMBERS. I'LL CRUNCH THE NUMBERS ON THIS. BUT IF WE CHOOSE TO ORDER WITHIN 15 DAYS OF OUR ORDER, WE CAN PAY $2.1 MILLION.

IT'S A 48 MONTH BUILD, SO IT TAKES FOUR YEARS TO BUILD IT. IF THAT'S BECAUSE THEY TURN OVER PREVENTION, I'M LIKE, MY GOD. WITH HAND TOOLS. I GUESS IF WE WANT TO PAY UPON DELIVERY, IT'S $2.4 MILLION. IT MAY BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST BECAUSE I'M GETTING BETWEEN 7 AND 10% RATE OF RETURN OF INTEREST ON MY INVESTMENTS TO INVEST THE MONEY AND KEEP AND PAY 2.4 UPON DELIVERY. BUT THEN I ROLL THE DICE. IF OVER THOSE THREE YEARS, IF I GET THAT SAME INTEREST INVESTMENT, WELL, I CAN THEN THEY SAY SELL IT TO YOU FOR THAT, BECAUSE THIS THING HAPPENED, BECAUSE TARIFFS INCREASED OUR COSTS, I THINK I HONESTLY HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE AGREEMENT ACTUALLY, I THINK WE TOOK A I WOULD THINK WE WANT YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO LOOK AT THE TARIFF THING JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE OF DOING IT. WHAT I WORK IN ELECTRONICS OF A COMPANY OUT OF JAPAN, AND WE AREN'T HOLDING ANY QUOTES MORE THAN 30 DAYS, AND I'VE GOT MULTIPLE APPROVALS BECAUSE THE PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING RIGHT NOW. I WOULD HONESTLY. A BIRD IN THE HAND IS BETTER THAN 2.1 UPON DELIVERY. I MEAN UPON ORDER. SEE THE $600,000. I MEAN, IT COULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL RESERVE TOO, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND SO EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE. IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE A TAX INCREASE. THIS IS THE TURNOVER SAVINGS OR

[02:45:02]

OKAY. LET'S LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN. LET'S LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN. MR. CHANDLER SAID HE COULD LOCK US IN. HE'D MAKE SURE THAT LOCKED US IN. AND IF WE COULD MAKE MORE INTEREST AND MAKE. $50,000 MORE ON THE INTEREST THAN THAN THE INCREASED PRICE OF THE OF THE VEHICLE, WHY NOT? WHY NOT CONSIDER THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THE INTEREST. WE'RE GOING TO GET INTEREST ANYWAY. WELL, IT WOULD BE LESS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT $2.1 MILLION. YOU'RE NOT GETTING INTEREST ON. RIGHT. THEY'RE GETTING INTEREST ON IT, WHICH IS WHY THEY DO IT. YEAH. JUST JUST TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BID TO I JUST PULLED UP THE BID. IT DOES SAY PRICE GUARANTEED UNTIL SIX, SIX FIVE GS. YEAH. AND IT SAID DUE TO GLOBAL SUPPLY CHAIN CONSTRAINTS, ANY DELIVERY DATE CONTAINED HEREIN IS WITH A GOOD FAITH ESTIMATE AS OF THE DATE OF THE ORDER AND IS MADE BASED ON APPROXIMATION OF CURRENT INFORMATION. SO, SO WHAT THAT COULD DO IS AFTER THE 17TH, ON THE 17TH OF JUNE, IT COULD GO. IT COULD GO. IT'S NOT GOOD. IT WILL KNOW THAT. AND IT COULD GO UP SUBSTANTIALLY DEPENDING ON IF THEY'RE BUYING PRODUCTS FROM CHINA OR INDIA OR WHEREVER THE HECK ELSE WE'RE GETTING MAD AT AT THE MOMENT. SO I, I HAVE I HAVE SOME HEARTBURN WITH TRYING TO MAKE THIS DECISION THIS QUICKLY, ESPECIALLY IF THE BID IS ONLY GOOD UNTIL JUNE 16TH.

WE'VE HAD THE TILLER. IT WAS BOUGHT BEFORE I GOT HERE. IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE TO MAINTAIN.

IT'S BEEN IN THE SHOP A LOT. IT'S UTILITY. IT'S UTILITY HAS WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS ON A NUMBER OF THE BUDGET ITEMS. THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF THE TILLER VERSUS A TRADITIONAL LADDER VERSUS A REGULAR ENGINE, I THINK IS WORTH CONSIDERING.

ALSO, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRAMATIC PRICE INCREASE ON THIS TILLER SINCE THE LAST TIME WE BOUGHT ONE, SO I WOULD PREFER WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO EVALUATE THIS BEFORE WE MADE A DECISION. SO BECAUSE PRICES TELL US WHY WE NEED THIS VEHICLE, WHAT DOES IT DO THAT SOMETHING SOMETHING ELSE. THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULD DO THE SAME THING. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FIRE ENGINE AND A FIRE TRUCK.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T DIFFERENTIATE. BUT IN THE OPERATIONS, TRUCKS HAVE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE BIG LADDER ON THE TOP. SO IT PROVIDES. THAT'S THE ONE VEHICLE WE HAVE IN THE CITY THAT PROVIDES US ELEVATED MASTER STREAMS, AS WELL AS PROVIDES US THE ABILITY TO LIKE IN A 3 OR 4 STORY BUILDING OR WHATEVER, OR TO ACCESS FAR AWAY FROM THE STREET TO BE ABLE TO REACH UP TO A WINDOW. IT PROVIDES THAT. THE SECOND THING, A TILLER GOING TO WHAT CORBIN IS SAYING ABOUT A TRUCK VERSUS A TILLER, TILLER OR TRUCK OR TRACTOR DRAWN AERIALS THEY STEER IN THE BACK AS WELL AS THE FRONT, WHICH YOU KNOW, IN TIGHT, LIKE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS. IF YOU THINK ABOUT LIKE DAYBREAK, FOR INSTANCE, TRYING TO MANEUVER A TRUCK THAT'S THAT LONG THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY MANEUVERABILITY BECOMES DIFFICULT. SO THE TILLER DOES PROVIDE AN ABILITY TO MAKE TIGHTER TURNS TO GET INTO PLACES THAT THAT WE DO. SO AS FAR AS A TRUCK AND A TILLER, THOSE ARE THE, THE BIGGEST THINGS. EVERY ALARM, AN INITIAL ALARM ASSIGNMENT GETS A COUPLE OF ENGINES, FIRE ENGINES AND A TRUCK. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE PART OF OUR ISO RATING AND THEY ARE SPACED THROUGHOUT THE VALLEY. BUT EVERY FIRE DISPATCHED GETS A TRUCK COMPANY ASSIGNED TO IT. SO IT IS A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT IS IMPORTANT. AND WE UTILIZE TO CORBIN'S POINT. WE HAVE THREE FIRE ENGINES AND ONE TRUCK, AND IT GETS USED PROBABLY LESS THAN THAN THE ENGINES. BUT WE'RE GOING TO NEED AN ENGINE TRUCK SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

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BUT YEAH, OUR OUR ENGINES, TYPICALLY THEY RUN ABOUT TEN YEARS FRONTLINE SERVICE AND THEN WE KEEP THEM FOR ABOUT ANOTHER TEN YEARS OR SO AS A BACKUP RESERVE ENGINE. AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE EITHER SURPLUS THEM OR SELL THEM TO ANOTHER CITY OR 20 YEARS. YEAH. AND THEY END UP BEING A LOT CHEAPER ON EBAY. AND I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THIS SCENARIO BECAUSE WITH CARS, PEOPLE ARE BUYING THEM ALL THE TIME, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ONLY KEEP A CAR FOR A YEAR OR TWO. BUT WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH MUNICIPALITIES AND FIRE TRUCKS, THEY'RE KIND OF ALL FIREMEN. IF YOU EVER NOTICE, THEY ALL LOOK ALIKE. AND SO THEY KIND OF JUST DO THE SAME THINGS, RIGHT? THEY THEY TRY TO KEEP THEM TILL. TILL THEY'RE NO LONGER FINANCIALLY WORTH KEEPING AND THEN THEY'LL SELL THEM. AND SO THAT'S WHERE IT GOES UP TO. YEAH. IS, IS WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES. IT'S NOT APPLES AND APPLES. BUT TO CORBIN'S POINT, I'M FINE TO SAY, OH, HOLD UP. LET'S LET'S NOT LET'S NOT RUSH INTO THIS BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WILL BE THE UNKNOWNS. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT WITHOUT A TILLER? LET'S JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SAY WE REPLACE THE TILLER WITH A FIRE ENGINE FIRE TRUCK, WHATEVER THE CORRECT NOMENCLATURE IS, IT'S GOT A LADDER ON THE LADDER.

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THAT'S NOT A LADDER TRUCK. THAT'S A PUMPER SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE. YEAH. WE GOT TO HAVE ANOTHER LADDER TRUCK, RIGHT? YEAH. AT SOME POINT WE WILL FOR SURE. AND SO THE QUESTION IS DO WE, DO WE REPLACE IT WITH THE TILLER OR DO WE ORDER A NEW LADDER TRUCK. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION GIVEN EVEN THAT BID PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF THESE MARKETS. AND SO WHETHER IT IS A LADDER TRUCK OR WHETHER IT'S A TILLER TRUCK, WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE THE 1.6.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE EVEN IF WE ORDER A LADDER TRUCK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT FOR FOUR YEARS. YEAH. SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, AND BY THAT TIME WE MAY HAVE STATION 56 BUILT, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT. YEAH, WE'VE GOT I THINK THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WE'VE GOT TO BUY THE TRUCK AND WE'VE GOT 1.6 SET ASIDE, 1.5, WE'VE GOT 1.5 OR SO SET ASIDE. I THINK WE NEED TO BUY THE TRUCK AT THE CHEAPEST POSSIBLE. AND YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO OUTWAIT THE ADMINISTRATION WITH TARIFFS OR, OR THE UNCERTAINTY IN THE MARKET, IT'S GOING TO COST US MORE. SO THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE MORE THIS IS GOING TO COST US.

SO WE GOT TO GET A TRUCK. I THINK WE HAVE TO GET A TRUCK ORDER. I AGREE WITH THAT. NOW, WHETHER THAT'S A TILLER OR WHETHER THAT'S A LADDER TRUCK, WE NEED TO GET A TRUCK ORDERED, IS THAT IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? I THINK IT IS. YOU KNOW, IT'S STRIKING. AGAIN, IT'S STRIKING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN IF WE WAIT FOUR YEARS OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER, I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET CHEAPER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE COULD POTENTIALLY WAIT A LITTLE BIT. BUT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO REPLACE THE TRUCK. BUT SO YEAH, SEVEN YEARS OLD AND FOUR YEARS OUTWEIGHED THIS ADMINISTRATION. THAT'S ANOTHER FOUR YEARS AND THEN FOUR YEARS TO ORDER IT.

IT'S EIGHT MORE YEARS. THAT'S A 15 YEAR OLD TILLER TRUCK THAT DOESN'T WORK ON IT, BRIAN, BACK THERE I'M JUST BEING HONEST. IT'S I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK WE CAN OUTWAIT HIM. I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS SAID WAIT FOUR YEARS TO BUY ONE. I WAS TRYING TO DECIDE, WE NEED TO BUY IT. WE NEED TO BUY IT NOW. WHAT NOW MEANS IS IN JUNE, IN JULY OR IN AUGUST OR WHATEVER. BUT I THINK

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COLOR RED OKAY. SO WHAT I HEAR IS THAT EVERYONE'S IN SUPPORT OF THE $600,000 GOING TO FLEET TO RESERVE FOR A TRUCK REPLACEMENT OF SOME SORT. YES. AND THEN CORBIN AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL WORK ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AT NIGHT. DOES THAT WORK? I WOULD DO IT SOONER THAN LATER.

SO WHAT ARE THE CURRENT FIRE INSPECTION AND EDUCATION RESOURCES ADEQUATE WITH OUR GROWTH RATE RIGHT NOW? THAT WAS A NO. THAT'S AN AREA THAT I, I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF CLOSE TO MY HEART. I FEEL LIKE OUR COMMUNITY INTERACTION AND OUTREACH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, AND WE HAVE CREATED A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE HELPING. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE PICTURES PROBABLY, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT BECKY HAS DONE. YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO INVOLVE. WE GET WE HAVE WAITING LISTS EVERY YEAR FOR LIKE THE LITTLE SUMMER ACADEMY SHE PUTS ON. WE HAVE WAITING LISTS FOR A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS THAT SHE HAS. AND SO I YES, I WOULD LOVE TO GROW THOSE PROGRAMS. AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW YET, BUT I THINK HAVING POTENTIALLY AT SOME POINT, SOME LIKE PART TIME TEMP SEASONAL HOURS AVAILABLE, KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH PARKS THAT WE CAN YEAH, SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS. EVEN RETIRED FIREFIGHTERS COMING BACK AND TEACHING SOME OF THOSE CLASSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, OR EVEN VOLUNTEERING. YEAH. VOLUNTEER BASIS OR COMMISSION LIKE TO DO THAT. YEAH. MY 13 YEAR OLD TOOK A BABYSITTING COURSE. YEAH. WE, I ACTUALLY MET WITH THE SOFTWARE COMPANY LAST WEEK OR NOT. THE SOFTWARE COMPANY, SORRY, A HOME HEALTH COMPANY. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT PROGRAM AND THEY THEY WERE JUST BLOWN AWAY. THEY'RE LIKE, I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MY DAUGHTER WOULD LOVE THAT, YOU KNOW. SO THERE ARE SOME REALLY GREAT THINGS THAT BECKY'S BEEN DOING THAT HELP US INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY ON A LEVEL THAT'S NOT EMERGENCY RELATED NECESSARILY. AND SHE DOES A GREAT JOB. JUST SOMETHING TO IS THERE JUST TO HELP SEE THE BIG PICTURE. DO YOU SEE ANY TRENDS IN FIRE RISK THAT ARE EMERGING THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN THE BACK OF OUR MINDS FOR FUTURE BUDGETS? LIKE, I KNOW WE GOT A WE GOT A BLANKET FOR THAT AND IT'S NOT REALLY USED TOO MUCH, THANK GOODNESS. BUT IS THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING OF THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING OF? ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT AS WE'VE LOOKED AHEAD AND, AND WE TALK ABOUT GROWTH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL MENTION AND WHERE RECENTLY THERE WAS SOME LEGISLATION PASSED, WE TALKED LAST YEAR ABOUT CANCER PREVENTION AND DETECTION AND THE FIRE SERVICE. THERE WAS A BILL THAT WAS PASSED AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT NOW WILL REQUIRE FIREFIGHTERS GET A VERY COMPREHENSIVE CANCER DETECTION SCREENING, AND THE STATE HAS PUT FORWARD SOME MONEY FOR THAT TO FUND IT FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. BUT AFTER THAT, CITIES WILL HAVE TO TAKE THAT ON. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL NEED TO WATCH. WE HAVE STARTED LAST YEAR WHEN WE PUT $13,000 IN THERE FOR CANCER SCREENING. WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT, BUT IN A FEW YEARS WE WILL PROBABLY NEED TO START ADDING TO THAT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT NOW. SO WE'RE NOT THAT SCREENING TEST. I'VE DONE ONE THROUGH VA THAT THEY CAN SCREEN FOR LIKE 50 KINDS OF CANCER. AND THEY DO. THEY DO THAT. THEY DO A HEAD TO WAIST MRI. THEY DO A CHEST CT SCAN.

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YEAH, IT IS A POSSIBILITY. YEAH. WELL NOT TO THE OTHER QUESTION WITH OUR URBAN MOUNTAINS. YES.

THANK YOU I. WHAT PROTECTIVE FIRE MITIGATION ARE WE DOING SINCE WE'RE RIGHT AT THE CENTER.

SO WE COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES HERE IN THE VALLEY, WE HAVE A PRETTY SMALL WILDFIRE RISK BECAUSE OUR CITY BORDER ENDS BEFORE WE REALLY GET TO THE INTERFACE, BEFORE WE GET TO THE MOUNTAINS. NOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT A FIRE CAN'T RUN UP THERE? NO, BUT IT BECOMES THE STATE'S PROBLEM ONCE IT GOES BEYOND OUR STATE'S PROBLEM. BUT YES. YES. SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH THE STATE WHERE WE DO CERTAIN MITIGATION EFFORTS. THEY THEY BASED ON OUR FIRE HISTORY OVER THE LAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS, THEY GIVE US AN ASSESSMENT AND THEY SAY, LIKE OUR ASSESSMENT I THINK IS ABOUT 5000 OR $6000. IF WE SHOW THAT WE HAVE DONE 5 OR $6000 OF WEED ABATEMENT, YOU KNOW, FUELS REDUCTION, PURCHASING WILDLAND EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE SEND THAT INTO THE STATE, AND THEN WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY SAY IF A FIRE HAPPENS AND IT GETS IT'S IN YOUR CITY AND YOU CALL FOR STATE RESOURCES, WE'LL FUND THAT.

WELL, SO BECAUSE IN THE PAST, IF WE WERE TO ORDER, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD A FIRE ON THE WEST SIDE AND OUR INCIDENT COMMANDER GOT THERE AND THOUGHT, MAN, IF WE CAN BRING A PLANE IN, WE CAN DO ONE DROP AND HAVE THIS FIRE OUT. WE OWN THAT. AND SO IF HE WERE TO CALL A PLANE AND SAY CALL AN ORDER A PLANE, WE'D BE PAYING 100, $150,000 FOR THAT. AND SO PEOPLE WERE RELUCTANT WHEN IT WAS IN THAT LOCAL ENTITIES WERE RELUCTANT TO MAKE THOSE CALLS. AND THE STATE WAS SAYING, IT'LL ACTUALLY SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY IF YOU DO THAT, BECAUSE IT WON'T GO THE REST OF THE WAY UP THE MOUNTAIN. AND SO WE'VE GOT THIS AGREEMENT IN PLACE WHERE AS LONG AS WE'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE THINGS, THEY SAY, YOU GO AHEAD AND ORDER THE TANKER, WE'LL PAY FOR IT. AND OUR URBAN INTERFACE ISN'T NECESSARILY. AND THE RISK FOR WILDFIRES, NOT OUR FUEL LEVEL, IS PRETTY LOW. WELL, AND IT'S NOT JUST THE WEST SIDE, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE URBAN WILDFIRE MAP, THE JORDAN RIVER, THE JORDAN RIVER PARKWAY IS ACTUALLY A MAJOR WILDFIRE DESIGNATION. AND IT WAS FUNNY. I WAS SITTING IN AN AMC MEETING HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHO'S INVOLVED IN THAT AGREEMENT, RIGHT, AND WHAT IT WOULD COST IF YOU WEREN'T PART OF THAT AGREEMENT. AND ONE OF THE CITIES THAT WAS SITTING THERE ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND TALKED AND THEY SAID, YEAH, WE'RE NOT PART OF THAT AGREEMENT. THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS UP IN THE MEETING SO THAT THEY COULD GET HOOKED INTO IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS I THINK IT WAS MURRAY, IT WAS MURRAY OR MILLCREEK OR SOMEBODY THAT'S RIGHT ALONG THE RIVER. WE DON'T HAVE ANY WILDFIRE DANGER, REALLY. LITTLE COTTONWOOD CREEK AND THE JORDAN RIVER AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE A BIG DEAL. SO INFORMATION TO KNOW. I'M JUST THINKING OBVIOUSLY HOLISTICALLY

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THAT'S THAT'S BEEN FIXED. THAT WAS FIXED LAST YEAR. AND THOSE OUR INCREMENTS ARE SET BY THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS FOR FLSA. BUT YEAH, I THAT IS NOT A CONVERSATION. I THINK EVERYBODY WAS GRATEFUL WE FIXED IT LAST YEAR. WE DIDN'T ENJOY DOING THAT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE LIKED THAT AT THE END. BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE I THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

OKAY. WE GOT ALL THAT IRONED OUT. SO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, THE ADOPTED BUDGET HAD FOUR AND A QUARTER FOR OVERTIME. AND WE'RE GOING TO HIT 600. WHAT CAUSED THAT? 175? I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HIT 600. PART OF THAT. WE HAD SOME DEPLOYMENTS, BUT WHEN DENISE REACHES OUT AND ASKS US TO GIVE ESTIMATES AND STUFF, WE LOOK AHEAD AND SAY, OKAY, BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LIKE, LOOKING AHEAD, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE? BUT PART OF THAT WE SENT PEOPLE TO HELP WITH FIRES IN CALIFORNIA. WE SENT PEOPLE ON FEMA TASK FORCE THINGS. SO WE HAD BURNED UP A LOT OF OUR OT BUDGET FOR STUFF THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN REIMBURSED FOR, AND NOW IT'S GONE BACK TO. SO IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW, IT'S WE'RE AT ABOUT 350 OF THAT. SO WE'LL SEE IT. BUT WE'LL SEE A BUDGET AMENDMENT AT THE END OF THE YEAR FOR THE FEMA REIMBURSEMENTS.

YES. YEAH. AND THE CALIFORNIA WILDFIRE. YES. YEAH. SO WE'RE WE'RE RIGHT ON TRACK FOR WHERE WE SHOULD BE WITH OVERTIME. YEAH. IT JUST APPEARS THAT WE'RE NOT. SO WHY? WHY DO YOU ANTICIPATE FEWER FIRE CALLS? JUST WANT TO ANTICIPATE. REALLY? YEAH. YEAH. LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T PREDICT CARDIAC ARREST. JUST THAT'S WHAT THE TREND HAS BEEN OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE OF INCREASED, YOU KNOW, IMPROVED BUILDING MATERIALS, IMPROVED FIRE CODES. YEAH. THE ELECTRICIANS ARE DOING THEIR JOBS. IT FIRES ARE TRENDING DOWN. WE STILL HAVE THE CALLS BUT ACTUAL SHOW UP AND GO ON FIRES. IT'S YEAH. YEAH YEAH. THE PREVENTION PEOPLE ARE DOING THEIR JOBS GOOD OR BAD. YEAH I KNOW FIRE CALLS ARE GOING DOWN BUT THE MEDICAL CALLS. THAT'S WHY IF YOU'RE AN EMS YOU WANT TO BE A FIREFIGHTER, RIGHT. YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO BE YEAH. WE JOKE THAT WE WANT TO PUT OURSELVES OUT OF A JOB. AND THE FIRE SIDE, WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT EMS KNOWS. WELL, THAT'S JUST IS THERE IS THERE JUST JUST MY HEAD IS THINKING ON A LOT OF THE EMS. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A NON AMBULANCE TYPE VEHICLE TO HELP WITH THE WEAR AND TEAR ON AN AMBULANCE FOR SOME OF THESE CALLS? WE. YES, AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. CORBIN AND I SPEAK ABOUT THAT FREQUENTLY ABOUT DIFFERENT RESPONSE MODELS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS GOING TO HELP US IS BECK IS IMPLEMENTING SOME CHANGES AT DISPATCH THAT ARE GOING TO HELP US, WILL HELP THE DISPATCHERS WITH DETERMINING THE ACUITY OF THE CALL AND CODING THEM IN A WAY THAT WE CAN THEN SAY, OKAY, THIS THIS CALL THAT CAME IN TO 911 THAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD JUST SAY, OKAY, SOMEBODY CALLED WITH PAIN, THEY CAN FIND OUT, OH, THIS IS GOUT. THIS PERSON'S BEEN HURTING FOR THREE DAYS. THEY DON'T REALLY NEED AN AMBULANCE RIGHT NOW. AND THEY'LL CODE THAT CALL IN A DIFFERENT WAY SO THAT WE CAN THEN CREATE THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE JUST HAVE, LIKE, A VAN OR SOMETHING THAT GOES OUT THAT DOESN'T NEED IT, DOESN'T NEED TO RESPOND RIGHT NOW, AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO TAKE THEM TO THE HOSPITAL. THAT WILL JUST SAVE THAT LONG TERM WEAR AND TEAR. AND YEAH, THE FIRE SERVICE IS JUST FOR THE DISCUSSION WE'VE JUST HAD. I THINK IT'S MOVING TOWARDS SMALLER VEHICLE MODELS JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF EMS CALLS THAT WE GO ON. AND LIKE YOU SAY, YOU DON'T NEED A BIG FIRE ENGINE TO GO ON AN EMS CALL. AND IT MIGHT BE BETTER IF THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP FOR A LOT OF THOSE CALLS. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS USE THE DAVIS COUNTY MODEL AND TURN THE POLICE INTO THE PARAMEDICS AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOU. DEREK, ARE YOU ANSWERING QUESTIONS FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT? YEAH, I'LL JUST DO THAT. MY QUESTION THERE IS WE'VE WE'VE WANTED TO BE ACQUIRING STUFF ALONG THE WAY. AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING AGAIN

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SO I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'VE ASKED FOR. YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? THAT THEY'RE CELEBRATING. BUYING I KNOW. YEAH, YOU WOULD BE NOT. PREPARED BECAUSE WE DON'T FEEL WE WERE PREPARED OR WE WANT TO BE PREPARED. WE. I'M JUST GIVING YOU WE'VE TALKED TO JEFF ABOUT THAT. HE HAD SOME MONEY IN HIS BUDGET STILL THIS YEAR. AND WE SAID GO PURCHASE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS HE WANTED WAS A TRAILER TO HAVE A LOT OF THIS STUFF IN. WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME EXTRA TRAILERS AT THE FIRE STATION THAT HAVE THINGS IN THEM THAT WE CAN MOVE AND GIVE IN ONE OF THOSE TRAILERS. SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND HE WE DID TELL HIM THIS YEAR, LIKE PURCHASE SOME OF THESE THINGS. WE APPROVED A WATER BUFFALO. IS THAT STILL UNDER UNDER WATER. YOU BOUGHT IT. BUT YEAH BUT ARE WE. HAVING A SECOND ONE? I HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT QUESTION BECAUSE BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ORIGINALLY ABOUT THAT, THAT WATER BUFFALO, WE WERE TALKING BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE FAIRLY SMALL AND PORTABLE. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BUYING ONE MAYBE OVER A COUPLE OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. SO MAYBE WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT AS PART OF THIS BUDGET TO HAVE THAT EXTRA WATER TRUCK SO THAT WE CAN DELIVER WATER. BECAUSE I'M SURE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T WANT TO GET IN THE BUSINESS OF DELIVERING WATER, PUT THE TILLER, THE TILLER TRUCK. WELL, THEY WILL IF THEY HAVE TO REMEMBER. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ABOUT THE WATER BUFFALOES AND ADDING AN EXTRA ONE. AND WE HAVEN'T BOUGHT ANOTHER ONE. YES. OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO THAT'S IT FOR THE DEPARTMENTS FOR THE GENERAL FUND. SO A FEW THINGS. I JUST WANT TO KIND OF FILL YOU IN AS YOU'RE EVALUATING THE GENERAL FUND AND CONSIDERING WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE GENERAL FUND. SO THIS IS OUR ONE TIME REVENUE. SO SALES TAX LINE THIS IS I BUDGETED SALES TAX FLAT BUT SOME OF IT WENT INTO ONGOING REVENUE. AND THEN WHATEVER WAS LEFT IS GOING INTO ONE TIME REVENUE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. IT'S CONSISTENT PERMITS FOR FIBER INSTALLATION AND ROADS. THAT'S BEEN BRINGING IN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 600,000, 400,000 SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. BUT THAT IS SLOWING DOWN, RIGHT? OKAY.

SLOWING DOWN. OTHERS ARE COMING IN. YEAH. THAT'S TRUE. WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT 200,000. THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE LOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET. NOW WE HAVE TWO OFFICERS THAT ARE FUNDED BY THE UTAH ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND A GRANT THERE. AND THAT IS FOR MAJOR CRIME INVESTIGATIONS OR SOMETHING WITH THEM. AND THEN THERE'S TWO OFFICERS THAT ARE FUNDED WITH THE COPS, GRANT, AND WE'RE GETTING $83,000. THEIR RDA ADMINISTRATION IS CHANGED TO ONE TIME REVENUE BECAUSE THESE AREAS ARE CLOSING PRETTY QUICKLY. AND SO WE CAN'T KEEP COUNTING ON THAT MONEY. SO WE'VE MOVED IT OVER TO ONE TIME REVENUE, AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT GRANT WE'VE GOT EVERY YEAR. BUT AGAIN IT'S NOT CONSISTENT. ANY SALE OF MATERIALS. THIS IS JUST AN ESTIMATE. WE MAY NOT SELL ANYTHING. SO AGAIN THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT INTO ONE TIME REVENUE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO COUNT ON IT. SURPLUS PLUS SURPLUS. YEAH. AND THEN SOME MISCELLANEOUS FEES THAT WE GET. SO ABOUT $1.6 MILLION OF ONE TIME REVENUE. THAT MEANS $1.6 MILLION IS AVAILABLE FOR OTHER THINGS LIKE CAPITAL PROJECTS OR VEHICLE PURCHASES OR WHATEVER.

SO IN THIS BUDGET, WHAT YOU SEE FOR ONE TIME EXPENDITURES ARE ELECTIONS, BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAPPEN EVERY OTHER YEAR, WE'RE RECOMMENDING IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR WEBSITE. IT WILL BE DONE ON THE BACKSIDE. THIS IS NOT A WEBSITE CHANGE OR COMPLETE NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT IS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WEBSITE AND THAT WILL BE HANDLED BY THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. THE VEHICLE FOR THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, FOR THE VEHICLE FOR THE CUSTODIAN AT 63, THE FIELD PREP MACHINE AT 56, THE SELF-PROPELLED SWEEPER AT 78, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE WE HAVE BUDGETED TO TRANSFER TO THE CIP. SO YOU CAN SEE REVENUE, THOUGH IS ABOVE EXPENDITURES BECAUSE A LITTLE PORTION, A SMALL PORTION OF 120,000 ISH IS BEING USED TO SUPPORT ONGOING OPERATIONS. IT'S AGAINST OUR REAL PHILOSOPHY, BUT IT IS WHAT HOW WE GOT THE BUDGET BALANCED, TO BE CANDID. GOING FORWARD. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS IN YOUR BUDGET BOOKS. IT'S NOT ANYTHING NEW. REVENUES TO EXPENDITURES. SO 42% OF OUR REVENUES IS SALES TAX ORIENTED AT 30% IS PROPERTY TAX RIGHT NOW. AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS MADE UP OF OTHER, OTHER TAXES OR

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THE WEST JORDAN POLICE DISTRICT AND CAPTURE ALL OF THAT MONEY AND CALL IT THE WESTERN FIRE DISTRICT. BUT IT'S ALL A TAX AND IT'S ALL A PROPERTY TAX. AND IT REALLY DOESN'T PROVIDE THE SAME KIND OF REPRESENTATION. I DON'T BELIEVE, BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING TO GO TO A DIFFERENT DISTRICT.

CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW HIGHER PROPERTY TAX WOULD BE IF WE DID THE HARRIMAN OR RIVERTON MODEL AND INCREASED OUR PROPERTY TAX TO COVER PUBLIC SAFETY OVER 125%? YEAH, IT'D BE CRAZY.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO HIGH, IS THEY'RE NOT USING ANY OF THEIR SALES TAX OR OTHER FUNDING. IF WE HAD ALL OUR SALES TAX TO DO ROADS OR PARKS, DO YOU KNOW HOW POLITICALLY PALATABLE THAT IS FOR MOST PEOPLE? WE SAY WE'RE CUTTING THE CITY PROPERTY TAX. WE'RE PUSHING ALL PROPERTY TAX TO JUST PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE. OH, IT'S THAT IS A MESSAGE YOU CAN CAMPAIGN ON FOR 20 YEARS, MAN. AND IT'S IT IS VERY GOOD. AND THE FACT THAT IT RAISED EVERYBODY'S TAXES 100% DOESN'T EVEN REGISTER. JUST LOOK AT RIVERTON. I NO, NO, LOOK AT HARRIMAN AND HARRIMAN. YEAH.

SAME THING. IT'S LIKE YOU'RE PROPERTY TAX WENT UP 120%. BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT JUST PAYS FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND POLICE AND FIRE FUNDING DIDN'T INCREASE AT ALL. WE'RE JUST MOVING ALL THE PROPERTY TAX TO PAY FOR THAT. AND THE REST OF THE CITY'S GOING TO RUN ON OTHER, OTHER, OTHER REVENUES FROM SALES TAX, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY THAT, YOU'RE PAYING ON THAT ALL DAY LONG, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SCREWING SOMEBODY OVER. IT SURE SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO PUBLIC SAFETY 61% PARKS IS 13%, STREETS IS LOWER THAN PARKS AND LOWER THAN GENERAL GOVERNMENT BY PERCENTAGE WISE, BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE ACTIVITY GOES ON IN THE CAPITAL FUND AND THE CLASS C ROAD FUNDS. SO WHILE IT LOOKS LOW HERE, IT ISN'T THE WAY THAT YOU'VE INVESTED YOUR MONEY, IT REALLY IS A LOT HIGHER. IT'S JUST GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS OUT. THAT IS THE TRANSFER TO THE CIP FOR THE MOST PART. IT IS ALSO THE TRANSFER OF SALES TAX, REVENUE AND ENERGY. MUNICIPAL TAX. YEAH. TO THE AGREEMENTS IN THE RDA. AND THEN DEBT IS REALLY LOW. AND THAT IS ONLY THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES LEASE. AND THEN NON-DEPARTMENTAL IS ONLY 2%. SO JUST KIND OF AS A COUNCIL THIS IS YOUR FUNDING LEVEL RIGHT. THIS IS HOW YOU'RE USING EVERY DOLLAR OF YOUR REVENUE. OKAY.

I'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THOSE AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT. ALL RIGHT. THE LAST THING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE YOU, UNLESS YOU WANT TO STOP AND TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND, I WOULD JUST SAY TO ME, IT'S A LITTLE BIT IRONIC THAT PARKS ARE GETTING 13% OF OUR BUDGET.

STREETS ARE ONLY GETTING 8% BECAUSE, AGAIN, BECAUSE $10 MILLION IS COMING OUT OF CLASS C ROADS. YES. OKAY. YEAH. LITTLE MISREPRESENTED. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE. THIS IS LIKE THE STREETS GUYS. YEAH. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. NO IT'S GOOD. SO THE 1% THE 1% DEBT IS ONLY PUBLIC WORKS. THE REST OF THE, THE OTHER DEBT THAT THE ONLY OTHER DEBT THAT WE REALLY HAVE IS THE IS THIS IS THE SOCCER FIELD SALES. AND THAT'S A SALES TAX, THE SALES TAX SALES TAX BOND. BUT WE'RE USING PARK IMPACT FEES TO PAY IT. CORRECT. YEP. AND WE HAVE A LONG TERM SCHEDULE OF PARK IMPACT FEES TO PAY. AND REMIND ME BECAUSE I'M TIRED. YOU'RE OKAY. MONEY EQUALS A PERCENT IN TAXES. RAISE ABOUT 200 $200,000 EQUALS ONE PLUS PERCENT. YEAH, I WAS 175. WE READ 200. WE'RE AT 200. YEAH OKAY. 200,000 EQUALS 1% OKAY. SO IF YOU WERE TO CHOOSE TO DO ALL OF THAT STUFF UP THERE, IT WOULD BE A 4% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE IN EXCESS OF THE 2% THAT WAS ALREADY PROPOSED. SO IT'D BE 6%, WHICH WOULD BE $23 A YEAR ON AN AVERAGE HOME. IS THAT NET OF THE

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I'M TALKING ABOUT AN AVERAGE HOME. IT WAS $15 A YEAR THAT CAME OFF, SO YOU ALREADY HAVE 15 OFF OF THEIR TAX BILL. THIS WOULD BE ADDING 23. -15 WOULD BE ADDING SEVEN MORE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR. BUT YOU'RE NOT PAYING OFF DEBT LIKE YOU'RE NOT PAYING A DEBT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY TAX STATEMENT FROM THAT WE GET EACH YEAR. THE BEST VALUE ON THE ENTIRE THING IS OUR IS WEST JORDAN CITY DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR VALUE FOR WHAT YOU GET. THERE'S NO QUESTION IT'S WEST JORDAN CITY. IT'S INTERESTING THE MOSQUITO ABATEMENT. OH I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING. MOSQUITO ABATEMENT DISTRICT DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR IS A BETTER INVESTMENT IN YOUR TAX MONEY. IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU TALK TO RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN AN HOA BECAUSE THEY DON'T BAT AN EYE PAYING 50 OR $50 A MONTH OR $100 A MONTH OR WHATEVER FOR AN HOA. BUT THE HOA PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF OPEN SPACE OR SOME REC PROGRAMS OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? WHATEVER. THEY PROVIDE A SWIMMING POOL, AND YET YOUR CITY PROVIDES YOU, YOU KNOW, OR THEY'LL PAY $50 A MONTH FOR ADT FOR SECURITY, BUT YOU'RE PAYING $400 A YEAR FOR EMS AND FOR FIRE AND FOR POLICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND YOUR ROADS AND YOUR PARKS. IT'S JUST IT'S AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION WHEN YOU SAY THAT TO A RESIDENT AND YOU SAY, WHAT DO YOU PAY FOR YOUR HOA? THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, I PAY $75. WHAT DO YOU PAY FOR ADT OR WHATEVER? RIGHT. PAY FOR OKAY. AND THEN WHAT DO YOU PAY FOR YOUR CITY SERVICES? IT'S ABOUT $40 A MONTH AT THE MOST. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IF WE WERE THE ONLY PROPERTY TAXING ENTITY, YEAH, IT'S PALATABLE. BUT WHEN YOU START ADDING JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE LIBRARY, THE MOSQUITO ABATEMENT DISTRICT, CENTRAL UTAH VALLEY WATER DISTRICT, CENTRAL VALLEY, JORDAN VALLEY, THE COUNTY THAT'S MORE THAN OUR COUNTY, MORE THAN THE CITY. AND YOU TAKE ALL OF THAT. THEN THE TAX THE TAX BURDEN BECOMES CAN BECOME VERY REGRESSIVE ON HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE ON LIMITED INCOMES. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM IF, IF ALL WE OF, IF, IF, IF WE WENT TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD AND SAID. WRITE US A CHECK FOR 400 BUCKS FOR YOUR CITY, FOR YOUR CITY FEES THIS YEAR, VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME WRITING OUT 400 BUCKS.

BUT WHEN YOU SAY WRITE OUT 400 BUCKS TO WEST JORDAN CITY AT $2,000 TO THE JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRICT AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THAT BECOMES THAT'S WHAT BECOMES ONEROUS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

IT'S BRIAN HERE. BRIAN LEFT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DO FLEET FUND WHEN WE DO OUR NEXT WORK SESSION.

LIKE TWO WEEKS. BUT YOUR NEXT WORK SESSION, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE I'LL NEED TO PREP FOR THE 24TH OF JUNE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YOU GUYS WANT TO GO

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.