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[a. Discussion of the Fiscal Year 2026 Tentative Budget]
NEWS SERVICES. WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET THAT ARE NEW? AND THEN WHAT IS NEW GROWTH? I HAVE THOSE ACTUAL NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY NOW. AND THEN WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHOOSE TO DO WITH SOME OTHER WITH THOSE FUNDS? SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE STARTING LINE RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS THE CURRENT YEAR FISCAL 2025 BUDGET. WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT IT? BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THE FOUNDATION FOR YOUR SERVICE LEVEL APPROVAL THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. AS EVERYTHING IS.LAST YEAR WHEN WE APPROVED THE BUDGET, REMEMBER, WE'RE USING THAT ONGOING REVENUE AS A 5%.
WE'RE HOLDING BACK THE MODEL OF THE 5% SALES TAX REVENUE GROWTH LAST YEAR. AND YOUR CURRENT BUDGET RIGHT NOW IS NOT ALL THE WAY BALANCED WITH ONE TIME AND ONGOING REVENUE TO ONE TIME AND ONGOING EXPENSE. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST YEAR. IT GOT ADOPTED WHEN, WITH ONE TIME REVENUE SUPPORTING ONGOING OPERATIONS MOVING FORWARD, THE ONLY ONE TIME EXPENDITURES WE HAD IN THE BUDGET WOULD HAVE BEEN THE GEO BOND DEBT, AND A SMALL $160,000 TRANSFER TO THE CIP IN THE BUDGET. OKAY, SO YOU CAN SEE YOUR BASIC FOUNDATION WHERE WE WERE STARTING FOR THE 2026.
THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD GAP HERE. WE'RE TRYING TO BRIDGE ABOUT $2 MILLION BETWEEN ONGOING REVENUES AND ONGOING EXPENDITURES. AS THINGS STAND RIGHT NOW. OKAY, SO THAT $2 MILLION IS A PRETTY GOOD GAP THERE. THE NEXT THING, THE NEXT SLIDE, I'M SORRY, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT ACTUALLY IS OCCURRING WITH THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, BECAUSE THAT ALSO MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN THE KIND OF REVENUE RECOGNITION YOU'LL HAVE FOR THIS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. SO YOU CAN SEE THE GAP IS THE DARK BLUE STILL. AND THAT LIGHT GREEN IS NOW WHAT'S ACTUALLY COME IN. YOU CAN SEE ONGOING REVENUE IS REALLY COME IN A MUCH STRONGER THAN WHAT OUR BUDGET WAS. AND THAT'S RELATED TO ENERGY TAX WHICH IS COMING STRONGER THAN WE ANTICIPATED DUE TO A RATE HIKE, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL ENERGY USE
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IN OUR CITY. AND THEN ALSO WE HAD SOME OTHER REVENUE PERMITTING REVENUE THAT WAS UNEXPECTED, SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ONGOING THAT WE HAD NOT EXPECTED EXPENDITURES MOST OF THE TIME IN OUR PAST WILL ALWAYS COME IN A LOT LOWER THAN WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE. THEY HAVE NOT. AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE WHEN YOU SEE POSTINGS FOR JOB OPPORTUNITIES, THERE'S VERY FEW JOB OPPORTUNITIES ANYMORE. PEOPLE AREN'T LEAVING OUR CITY, THEY'RE STAYING AND THEY'RE STAYING. WORKING FOR US. EVEN POLICE IS STAYING MOSTLY FULLY STAFFED. OCCASIONALLY THEY'LL HAVE AN OPENING, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT OUR ONGOING EXPENSES ARE COMING IN ALMOST RIGHT ON BUDGET, IF NOT SLIGHTLY ABOVE. AND WE'LL BE BRINGING YOU A BUDGET AMENDMENT I'LL BE PREPARING THIS WEEK SO YOU'LL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO REVIEW IT BEFORE YOUR MEETING ON THE 24TH.ALL RIGHT. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PIECE. THAT'S OUR LIKE BASIC FOUNDATION. SO WE'RE KIND OF BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. BUT OUR ACTUAL ISN'T. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE FIRST LINE HERE.
THAT 2025 BUDGET. THAT'S WHAT I JUST SHOWED YOU TO KEEP OUR CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS. OUR PROPERTY TAXES INCREASED BY 2%. THAT'S THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. WE DID A FIVE. WE MOVED 5% FROM ONE TIME BACK UP TO ONGOING SALES TAX HAS BEEN BUDGETED AS SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN LAST YEAR, BUT IT'S BEEN PRETTY FLAT FOR LIKE 3 TO 4 YEARS. SO WE BUDGETED 33 MILLION NO MATTER WHAT, WHETHER WE CALLED IT ONGOING OR WHETHER WE CALLED IT ONE TIME. THAT'S OUR PHILOSOPHICAL CHOICE, RIGHT? SO IT'S THAT 5% YEAR OVER YEAR GROWTH OR WHATEVER THE 5% IS.
OUR SALES TAX BUDGET IS THE SAME AS LAST YEAR. HOWEVER, WE CAN GROW OUR ONGOING BECAUSE OF OUR PHILOSOPHY OF WE'RE MOVING ONE TIME INTO ONGOING AFTER IT'S PERFORMED FOR SEVERAL YEARS IN A ROW, AND THEN OTHER TAXES AND FEES. THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS ENERGY TAX. AGAIN, FOLLOWING EXACTLY THE TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING WITH RECEIPTS RIGHT NOW WITH ENERGY TAX, THAT WON'T CHANGE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE CAME UP WITH ONGOING REVENUE, IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE BASIC BUDGET WAS LAST YEAR. CAN YOU CAN YOU GO INTO ENERGY TAX JUST A LITTLE BIT? OF COURSE. HOW IT'S CALCULATED, WHAT IT'S BASED OFF OF AND JUST SPITBALLING WHY IT MIGHT BE HIGHER. YEAH. IT IS PAID BY ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER AND QUESTAR GAS OR ENBRIDGE OR DOMINION, THE NAME OF THE WEEK.
ENBRIDGE. NOW IT IS 6%. WE ADOPTED A MUNICIPAL ENERGY TAX AT THE MAXIMUM, WHICH IS 6%. SO WHATEVER ENERGY IS USED IN OUR CITY, WE RECEIVE 6% OF THE ENERGY SALES. WHATEVER THE BILL IS, WHATEVER THE BILL IS, THIS IS THE FRANCHISE. THIS IS THE FRANCHISE. IT'S A FRANCHISE TAX.
YES. AND IT IS REPORTED AS A FRANCHISE TAX IN OUR FINANCIALS OKAY. SO IT'S SIMILAR TO OUR 5% UTILITY TRANSFER AS WELL. ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER RAISES RATES AS ENBRIDGE RAISES RATES. THERE YOU GO. OUR RECEIPTS AND THAT GO UP CORRECT 6% WHATEVER THEIR RATE IS CORRECT. AND AS WE PUT IN A DATA CENTER THAT MIGHT USE A LOT OF ENERGY THAT AFFECTS US AS WELL, IT GIVES US 6%, BUT IT'S EXEMPT FROM THAT. WHAT IS IT? IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S EXEMPT LIKE LIKE DATA CENTERS ARE EXEMPT FROM TAXES BECAUSE IT'S UNDER AGREEMENT. I KNOW WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH DATA CENTERS ABOUT SELF SELF POWER GENERATION FROM WHOLESALE GAS THAT MIGHT BE EXEMPT, BUT THAT WOULD THAT'S HYPOTHETICAL RIGHT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE THAT'S EXEMPT ANY PARTICULAR USER THAT DOES INCLUDE ALSO CELL PHONE. ALSO INCLUDES CABLE. YEAH. FRANCHISE TAX AS A CATEGORY INCLUDES 5% ON CABLE TAX A 3% ON CELL PHONE. OKAY. ALL OF THAT TOGETHER. BUT THE DATA CENTERS USING A LOT OF POWER IS REALLY HELPING THAT REVENUE LINE. GOTCHA. ALSO, WHEN WE ANNEXED THAT AREA, I DID CONFIRM WITH BOTH ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER AND ENBRIDGE THAT THOSE TAXES WILL COME OVER AS SOON AS THE ANNEXATION TAKES PLACE IN JULY. SO WE'LL SEE A BOOST IN REVENUE FROM THAT AS WELL. THAT'S GOOD, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DRAIN ON SERVICES. YOU'RE RIGHT.
WITHOUT CORRESPONDING PROPERTY TAXES FOR A LITTLE WHILE. DO YOU HAVE THE FIGURES ON THE RATE INCREASES FOR ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER BECAUSE THEY PROPOSED ONE AND THEN THEY PROPOSED 30 AND THEY GOT 18. AND THEN AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GO TO 12, I THINK, OR EIGHT AND THEN 12. YEAH. IT'S FOR LIKE WHAT GOT APPROVED THAT THEY'RE APPEALING IS A 4.7%. THEY ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR 30.5.
YEAH OKAY. SO THAT'S THE GO BIG OR GO HOME. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. IT'S BETTER SWING FOR THE FENCES
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RIGHT. THE FENCE CURRENT SERVICE LEVEL. SO ONGOING REVENUE THAT SUPPORT CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS 74.7 MILLION. THIS IS NOT OUR WHOLE BUDGET. IT'S JUST THIS PIECE THAT I'M IDENTIFYING.EXPENSES. THE INCREASE IN PERSONNEL COSTS IS $1.2 MILLION. THAT INCLUDES THE 2% COLA. THE STEP PLAN MERIT PLAN, THE HEALTH PREMIUM INCREASE, AND ANY CAREER LADDER OR MARKET ADJUSTMENTS.
OKAY, THAT'S 1.2 MILLION OPERATIONS INCREASED VERY SMALL, ONLY $189,000 FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
THAT'S MINIMAL. FLEET REPLACEMENT IS CALLED CAPITAL AND LEASES. AND IT INCREASED $425,000. THAT IS BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS AN INCREASED COST IN REPLACEMENTS. AND SO I'M NEEDING TO INFLATE THE REPLACEMENT COST. TYPICALLY IN THE PAST, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS IF WE BUY A $60,000 TRUCK, WE DIVIDE THE $60,000 TRUCK BY FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND I TAKE THAT AMOUNT, AND THEN WE REPLACE THE 60,000 WITH THE 60,000. BUT BECAUSE PRICES ON VEHICLES ARE ARE INFLATING AT A RATE THAT'S MUCH HIGHER THAN I'VE BEEN ABLE TO HANDLE, I'M NEEDING TO INCREASE THAT REPLACEMENT COST. SO THAT IS PARTLY TO BUILD UP THE RESERVES FOR THE REPLACEMENTS OF VEHICLES THAT WE'RE HAVING TO REPLACE IN THE NEXT YEAR. ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION. SORRY, IT'S ONLY DATA CENTER WITH THE NEW SB 132. ARE THE DATA CENTERS THAT WE HAVE IN WEST JORDAN. ARE THEY GOING TO BE GENERATING THEIR OWN POWER TO REDUCE THE GRID STRAIN, OR ARE WE GOING TO LIKE HOW IS THAT? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT CORBIN WAS SAYING. YEAH, WE'RE JUST SAYING LIKE I WAS LIKE IN MY HEAD I WAS LIKE, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE EXPLORING. THEY ARE EXPLORING, OKAY. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T KNOW. THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE ALREADY HAVE THE POWER. AM I SPEAKING ACCURATELY? THE DATA CENTERS THAT ARE ALREADY HERE ALREADY HAVE THE POWER FROM ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER. IT'S NEW DATA CENTERS THAT WANT TO COME IN, HAVE TO FIND NEW WAYS TO GET THE ENERGY TO POWER THEIR OR EXPANSION OF THE CURRENT ONES. RIGHT. OR A FURTHER EXPANSION OF THE CURRENT ONES. YES. OKAY, SORRY, I HAVE A DELAYED PROCESSOR. THAT'S. NO, I'M GLAD YOU STOPPED US SO THAT WE WEREN'T GOING WAY FURTHER. YEAH. NO, I WAS ON. YEAH.
ALRIGHT. SO THIS IS KIND OF IN GRAPH FORM. WHAT I JUST SAID, I JUST GAVE YOU MORE DETAILS. SO, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WAS OUR BASIC BUDGET. AND THEN THE CURRENT SERVICE LEVEL IS THE REVENUE EXCEEDED THE REQUESTS. RIGHT. SO WE KIND OF MADE UP THE GAP FROM LAST YEAR WITH OUR CURRENT SERVICE LEVEL REVENUE ALMOST. WE'RE STILL $306,000 SHY AS OF THIS BUILDING BLOCK. OKAY.
IN THE BUDGET WHEN WE WERE PUTTING IT TOGETHER. ALL RIGHT. NOW, NEW SERVICE LEVELS, THINGS THAT ARE IN ADDITION TO OR SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING BEFORE. SO ONE OF THEM IS THE I'M SORRY, THAT TOP LINE IS BRINGING THE LAST NUMBER FORWARD. IT'S ONLY JUST STARTING RIGHT WHERE WE WERE AT THE TOP OF THAT BUILDING BLOCK, MOVING IT FORWARD, BRINGING IN COURT FINES FROM TAYLORSVILLE. TAYLORSVILLE BUDGETS THEM AT ABOUT 1.425 MILLION, BUT THEY PUT THEIR SURCHARGE IN AS AN EXPENSE. WELL, THAT'S NET OF THE REVENUE. SO I'M SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GET ABOUT $900,000 OF TAYLORSVILLE COURT REVENUE INTO THE CITY. AND OFFSETTING THAT WILL BE TAYLORSVILLE COURT EXPENSE, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW ESTIMATED ABOUT $816,000. SO THE RESIDUAL WILL BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE TO THE CITY AND IT BECOMES ONGOING REVENUE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS IS WITH IF WE'RE. YEAH, I HAD A BAD DAY. I CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THEIR STUFF AND THEIR FINES. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE TO GIVE THEM A REVENUE SHARING OR A PORTION OF THAT CUT. OR ARE WE? WE ARE. SO WE WILL TRUE UP WITH TAYLORSVILLE. DEPENDING ON THERE'S A WHOLE FORMULA TO THIS. I PROBABLY HAVE TO HIRE AN ACCOUNTANT FOR THIS FOR THIS FORMULA IN THE IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. BASICALLY IT SAYS WE GET ALL THE WEST JORDAN COURT FINES, ALL THE TAYLORSVILLE COURT FINES, AND THEN WE SUBTRACT ALL OF THE WEST, ALL THE TOTAL COURT COSTS. AND IF THERE'S LEFTOVER MONEY, WE DIVIDE IT UP BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES ACCORDING TO A FORMULA. IF THAT'S SHORT, THEN THE TWO CITIES HAVE TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE ACCORDING TO THE FORMULA. AND THERE'S INCLUDED A 5% ADMINISTRATIVE FEE. YES. SO THE CITY IS GOING TO. YEAH. IT INCLUDES ALL THE COURT COSTS, BUT ALSO INDIRECT COURT COSTS, INCLUDING THE BUILDING AND UTILITIES, ADMINISTRATIVE
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OVERHEAD AND PENALTIES, IT AND SO ON. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT A NET GAIN THERE. AS YOU KNOW THE GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM WOULD BE AMENDED. THE FEES WHICH YOU'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT WILL BRING IN ABOUT $400,000. THE ADMINISTRATOR IS ABOUT 109,000. THESE ARE ONGOING EXPENSES. SO LET ME BE CLEAR THAT THEY DO NOT INCLUDE THE VEHICLES, OKAY. BECAUSE THE ONE TIME EXPENSE IS A VEHICLE. WE'RE BUYING THE VEHICLE. THEN ONE SEVENTH OF THE VEHICLES COST WILL BE ADDED TO ONGOING AS WELL. OKAY. IN FUTURE YEARS, THE NEXT YEAR. GOOD LANDLORD. DIDN'T WE ALSO HAVE SOME KIND OF A COMPUTER PROGRAM FOR TRACKING? IS THAT IN THAT 109, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM? YES. YEAH. SO WE NEED TO INCLUDE SOFTWARE. BUT THAT'S NOT 109 IS JUST THE DIRECT COST OF THE COST. WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT PART OUT. LANDLORD. IT'S WE HAVE THE CITY WORKS IS USED FOR THE GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM. IS THE SHORT TERM RENTAL TRACKING THAT WOULD WE'RE LOOKING AT VARIOUS OPTIONS. AND SO THAT'S RELATED. THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD HELP WITH BOTH. SO YOU'RE NOT SO IS IT BUILT INTO THIS BUDGET OR IS IT NOT. THIS IS ONLY THE PERSONNEL COST OKAY. THESE ARE JUST PERSONNEL RIGHT. WELL THIS THAT LINE IS HOLIDAY LIGHTING ISN'T. NO. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM IS JUST THE PERSONNEL COST. SO WHERE IS SOFTWARE? WHERE? SEE IF CITY WHAT CITY WORKS WILL DO. AND THEN WE MAY NEED TO COME BACK AND ADD. IF WE NEED SHORT TERM RENTAL SOFTWARE, WE NEED TO COME BACK AND ADD THAT. BUT YEAH WE HAVE WE HAVE LOTS OF SOFTWARE ACROSS THE CITY. I WANT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE SOFTWARE. WE HAVE.THE SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE CITY DOESN'T GO OUT AND DATA MINE LIKE LIKE THE ONES THAT I'VE SEEN, THAT DATA MINE THAT, THAT, THAT CAN FIND THE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WE CAN USE TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE. AND, AND IF, IF NEVER MIND, I'LL SHUT UP. IF I SAY ANY MORE, I'LL GET IN TROUBLE. YEAH. SO WE MAY NEED TO ADD THAT HERE. THAT'S $18,000. BUT IF WE ADD IT. BUT IF WE ADD IT AND WE'RE, WE'RE AND WE'RE DELAYING THE ADDITION. THEN WE'RE DELAYING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE PASSED SAYING, LOOK, WE WANT TO HELP CLEAN UP SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND BY DELAYING THAT, BY DELAYING THE SOFTWARE COSTS, WE'RE INTENTIONALLY DELAYING THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT PROGRAM UNTIL SOMEBODY DECIDES THAT WE FOUND THE RIGHT SOFTWARE. OH, LET'S TEST IT. AND IF ANYTHING, WITH ANY OTHER SOFTWARE, THAT MEANS THAT WE WON'T BE BUDGETING THE $18,000 FOR THE SOFTWARE UNTIL NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, BECAUSE WE DON'T MOVE THAT FAST WHEN IT COMES TO TECHNOLOGY. I'M SORRY THAT HURT SOMEBODY'S FEELINGS. I HOPE IT DOESN'T. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS, WE'VE GOT TO MOVE FASTER THAN THE GOVERNMENT. WAIT, I MEAN, CIVIC WORKS. I WOULD JUST BE BLUNT. CIVICS WORKS IS NOT DESIGNED TO MANAGE SHORT TERM RENTALS. RIGHT. AND SO. WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT THE SOFTWARE AND WHY WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE FOR MONTHS. AND IF I CAN COMMENT ON THAT, WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY LOOKING AT VARIOUS SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. WE HAVE ONE PROVIDER THAT ACTUALLY JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM JOE BRYANT ABOUT IT. IT'S UNDER STATE CONTRACT THAT WILL DO. EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILMAN GREEN IS DOING IS INDICATING MIND THAT DATA HELP US TRACK THAT DATA. AND SO WE'RE ACTUALLY VERY, VERY CLOSE TO GOING WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER STATE CONTRACT. WE CAN WE CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD THIS WEEK.
THAT'S WE CAN PUT THAT IN RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANT, WHICH COMPANY HAS THIS GOT THE GRANITE AND THE. WELL IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE IN IF THEY'RE LIKE HOW THEY DO IT PRIME GOV I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M A FAN RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN TELL PRIME GOV AND GRANITE BECAUSE THEY SAID THAT ALLEN OKAY. SO THAT THAT COULD BE I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF PUTTING 15,000 IN THERE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IT. OKAY. BUT I'M ONE PERSON THAT I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION THAT IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE IN THERE. THAT'S WHY I ASKED, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT. I, SCOTT AND I SPOKE ON WEDNESDAY OF LAST WEEK. RIGHT, SCOTT. AND THAT'S THE FIRST I
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HAD KNOWN A NUMBER OR ANYTHING. SO. PART TIME OR I'M SORRY, PARKING ENFORCEMENT PART TIMERS IS TWO COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT 52,000. DOES NOT INCLUDE A VEHICLE, BUT VEHICLE IS IN ONE TIME. EXPENSES A PART TIME PASSPORT AGENT. SO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW WE PAY FOR TWO PART TIME EMPLOYEES FOR $52,000. EXPLAIN IT IN WHAT WAY? WELL. SO THEY EACH GET 1040 HOURS? YEAH. THEN THEY'RE PAID THE WAGE FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS.THAT'S 25,000. WHAT DO CSOS MAKE THAT? THAT NUMBER JUST SEEMS LOW TO ME. CSOS ARE AT YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY LIKE $24 AN HOUR IF THEY'RE $24 AN HOUR. OKAY. I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE NOT THE $52,000 APPEARS TO BE JUST SALARY ONLY. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE HOW THEY DON'T GET ANY BENEFIT, BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE OUR COST SHARE THAT WE HAVE TO PAY IN LIEU OF SOCIAL SECURITY. THAT INCLUDES IT. IT DOES. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE COST FOR WORKER'S COMP AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS? OKAY. THAT JUST SEEMS AWFULLY LOW, BUT YES, IT DOES. BUT DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT THE GOOD LORD LANDLORD PROGRAM. YOU HAVE IT. YOU HAVE A VEHICLE IN THAT, NOT IN THAT 109,000 THAT'S BENEFITED FULL TIME. OKAY. SO YOU DIDN'T PUT VEHICLES IN ANY OF THAT OKAY.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THE CANCER SCREENING, WE DOUBLED OUR FUNDING FROM LAST YEAR IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND SO THAT'S A NEW LEVEL. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE LEGISLATURE'S REQUIRING THE CANCER SCREENING. WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF RAMP UP OUR OUR OBLIGATION ON OUR SIDE. BUSINESS PROMOTION IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR ANY ACTIVITY TO ASSIST BUSINESSES DURING CONSTRUCTION. WHEN THEY'RE WHEN THEY'RE LOCATED NEAR CONSTRUCTION, 1300 WEST PARTICULARLY, WE HAVE NO BUSINESSES ON 1300 WEST, 7800 SOUTH. YEAH. IT'S JUST IT'S ALIGNED TO JUST ASSIST OUR BUSINESSES WHEN THEY'RE THEY'RE IMPACTED BY ACTIVITIES FROM THE CITY. NON-PROGRAMMED EVENTS ARE THINGS LIKE THE BRIDGE PARTY, THE OPEN HOUSE FOR CITY HALL, THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE ARTS CENTER. LIKE THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT COME UP THAT AREN'T FUNDED SPECIFICALLY. THAT'S WHAT THAT IS FOR. HOLIDAY LIGHTING IS ADDITIONAL CHRISTMAS LIGHTING, TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. AND THEN THE CUSTODIAL IN-HOUSE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EXCUSE ME, THE CUSTODIAL OUTSOURCED CONTRACT AND THE IN-HOUSE SERVICES. LESS BUYING THE VEHICLE. RIGHT. THE VEHICLES ARE ALL ON THE NEXT PAGE OF YOUR HANDOUT UNDER ONE TIME GROWTH AND ONE TIME EXPENSES UNDER YELLOW. AND YOU'LL SEE ALSO THE INCREASE IN ONGOING EXPENSE THAT WILL HAPPEN THE NEXT YEAR. RIGHT. WHEN YOU MAKE A DECISION YOU ALSO NEED TO KNOW, OKAY, WELL THIS IS A ONE TIME EXPENSE. BUT THEN WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST ME MOVING FORWARD. THIS WOULD BE THE USEFUL LIFE, FUEL, MAINTENANCE, ETC. RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE ESTIMATE FOR WHAT IT WOULD COST IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. OKAY. SO WITH THESE THINGS THIS IS IT IN CHART FORM.
NOW WE'VE GOT THE BASIC FOUNDATION OF LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. WE'VE ADDED OUR CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS. NOW WE'VE ADDED THE NEW SERVICE LEVELS. AND NOW EXPENSE IS GREATER THAN REVENUE AT THIS POINT IN TIME BY ONLY $22,000. SO WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO BEING BALANCED AS A BUDGET FOR ONGOING EXPENSES AND REVENUES, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH LAST YEAR. SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS. ALL RIGHT. NEXT BUILDING BLOCK. SO NOW THIS IS THE RUST COLORED ONE ON YOUR WORKSHEETS. THIS IS NEW GROWTH. THESE ARE GOOD NUMBERS. WE JUST GOT THEM YESTERDAY. SO THAT TOP LINE OUR NUMBERS THAT WE BROUGHT FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. SO EVERYTHING WE'VE BUILT UP NOW NOW WE'VE GOT NEW GROWTH. NEW GROWTH IS $729,832 IN OUR CITY. AND WHAT KIND OF THINGS WERE SUPPORTED BY THAT NEW GROWTH REVENUE? WE ADDED A FIREFIGHTER FIRE DID GIVE UP SOME OVERTIME IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT FIREFIGHTER. WE ADDED A MAINTENANCE WORKER AND WE'VE ADDED SEVERAL SOFTWARE PROGRAMS. SO NOW WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE FLIPPED THE SCRIPT AND NOW WE HAVE REVENUE IN EXCESS OF EXPENSE FOR ONGOING OPERATIONS, WHICH PUTS YOU IN A VERY GOOD POSITION. COUNCIL. SO NOW YOU LOOK AT YOUR YOUR LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN HERE. REVENUE IS
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EXCEEDING EXPENDITURES IN YOUR ONGOING BUDGET BY $402,592. THOSE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO ALLOCATE HOW YOU CHOOSE BASED ON NEW GROWTH. EXCUSE ME, BUT THESE ARE THE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKED ABOUT. RIGHT? OR OR WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. RIGHT.BECAUSE THAT $400,000 EQUATES TO WHAT THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. CORRECT? YOU'RE CORRECT. YOU COULD JUST SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. WE REMOVE $400,000 FROM THE BUDGET. AND YES, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE COUNCIL MEMBER UNFUNDED REQUEST, THERE ARE UNFUNDED REQUESTS. RIGHT. WE'LL GO OVER RIGHT NOW. BUT THERE'S ALSO THE THEORY THAT THAT HAS BEEN POSED DOES NEW GROWTH COVER NEW GROWTH? ARE ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE SEEN ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDES? NEW GROWTH? PROBABLY NOT. YEAH. THEY ARE ARE THEY? I WOULD I WOULD SAY THE INCREASE IN HOLIDAY INCREASE IN HOLIDAY LIGHTING THAT COULD BE NOT NEW GROWTH IS NOT OR IS. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING IS IF ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDES IN THE BLUE AND THE GREEN, WOULD YOU CONSIDER ANY OF THOSE NEW GROWTHS. THE ONE IS SERVICE ENFORCEMENT. YOU NEED MORE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE. CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE NEW GROWTH OR I'M SORRY. THE CSOS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I THINK THEY'RE NEW GROWTH. I DO TOO THEY'RE THEY'RE. IT'S A CHANGE. IT'S A CHANGE IN THE PROGRAM ISN'T NEW GROWTH OR IS IT JUST AN ADDITIONAL THING THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ADDING THEM BECAUSE OF GROWTH. WE'RE ADDING THEM BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE IT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A VALID QUESTION, LARGER ISSUE. I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT YEARS AGO. YEAH. WELL, I THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT NEW GROWTH IN, IN A LOT OF WAYS MEANS A POLICE OFFICER, A FIREFIGHTER, A PARKS PERSON AND A STREET PERSON. SO I DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THE GOOD, GOOD LANDLORD IS NEW GROWTH, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN, AS WE PUT IT, AS A NEW SERVICE LEVEL. PROBABLY NOT. BUT I MEAN, YOU COULD LABEL IT. I'M JUST SAYING IT PROBABLY ISN'T. NEW GROWTH. IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE JUST IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE. I THINK THEY'RE RELATED THOUGH. KIND OF AS THE CITY GROWS, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN OR KEEP A LEVEL OF SERVICE. NEW GROWTH IN SPECIFICALLY NEW GROWTH, REVENUE FROM NEW GROWTH PROPERTY TAX SHOULD PAY FOR THE THINGS THAT PROPERTY TAX PAYS FOR THE EXISTING EXISTING PROPERTY TAX YOU PAY FOR THE EXISTING AND THE NEW GROWTH. PROPERTY TAX YOU PAY FOR THE SAME SERVICES FOR THE NEW GROWTH. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT JUST FROM A PRINCIPLE THING. SO BACK UP ASIDE. HERE OR THE LIST. YOU KNOW, ADDING ADDING A FIREFIGHTER FIREFIGHTER OVERTIME BUDGET SOFTWARE IS NOT A THAT'S NOT A NEW GROWTH THING.
RIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT. IF WE HAD NO NEW GROWTH BECAUSE WE NEEDED THAT. SAME WITH THE HR AND FINANCE. RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT. SOME OF THESE I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I COULD PUT IT IN EITHER BUILDING BLOCK, BUT I WAS WANTING I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, THE CITY BLOCK, THE CITY WITH CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT IS NOT HERE. BUT IT BUT IT'S HARD TO MATCH UP NEW GROWTH THIS YEAR WITH NEW GROWTH REVENUE THIS YEAR, BECAUSE THIS YEAR PROBABLY DOESN'T JUSTIFY A WHOLE NEW FIREFIGHTER. RIGHT. THE GROWTH WE HAD THIS YEAR. BUT MAYBE ONCE WE ADD 2 OR 3 YEARS OF GROWTH, NOW WE NEED A NEW FIREFIGHTER. NOW WE NEED A NEW POLICE OFFICER. SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT LAYERING IN FRACTIONAL RIGHT. NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. NO FRACTIONAL POLICE OFFICERS FRACTIONAL FRACTIONAL FIREFIGHTERS FRACTIONAL WHATEVER PLOW CREWS. WHAT WE'VE TRADITIONALLY DONE IS, IS LIKE OKAY, WE'LL ADD THE FIRE. WE'LL ADD THE POLICE OFFICER THIS YEAR, WHICH IS THE FRACTION, WHICH IS THAT FRACTION OF THE POLICE OFFICER, THE FIREFIGHTER, THE STREET WORKER. AND WE DIDN'T DO ONE THERE. AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE DO ONE RIGHT. SO FORWARD BACK OVER NOW TO THE 2 OR 3 SLIDES. LET'S SEE. GO FORWARD. NOT THAT ONE. THAT ONE. YEAH. SO HERE'S TWO POLICE OFFICERS FOR EXAMPLE THAT ARE NOT FUNDED. THEY'RE ON THE WANT LIST. THIS IS THAT'S NEW GROWTH. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. POLICE OFFICERS NEW GROWTH. AND THAT $508,000 EATS UP. NOW MAYBE THE LICENSE PLATE READERS. THAT'S NOT NEW GROWTH. THAT'S A NEW PROGRAM. BUT AND SO WITH THE $270,000 OF THAT NEW GROWTH SURPLUS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RAISE TAXES NOW, YOU JUST ENDED UP WITH TWO POLICE OFFICERS. YEAH. SO THE RIGHT ANSWER MIGHT BE IN THE MIDDLE SOMEWHERE, BUT IT'S NOT JUST OH, WELL, NOW WE DON'T NEED A TAX INCREASE BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW
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GROWTH NUMBERS BECAUSE WE GOT YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT THE ONE THING THAT WE DID DO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, OUR GROWTH WELL EXCEEDED THE NEW GROWTH MONEY WE ADDED. WHERE DID WE ADD NINE NEW EMPLOYEES OR SOMETHING. IT WAS IT WAS A GOOD CHUNK OF EMPLOYEES AND IT WELL EXCEEDED OUR OUR NEW GROWTH. AND SO I THINK ZACH'S RIGHT. WE CAN'T WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS WE CAN'T GROW MORE. AND THEN SAY, OH, WE'LL MAKE IT UP BECAUSE THEN THE VERY NEXT YEAR. SO LIKE WE DID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE, WE THE GROWTH WAS HERE AND WE SAID, WELL, WE'LL MAKE IT UP NEXT YEAR. AND THEN THE GROWTH WAS HERE. WELL, NO WE DIDN'T BECAUSE WE TOOK UP ALL OF THAT GROWTH, DIDN'T THAT DIDN'T COVER THAT SECTION. AND SO WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO DO THIS METHODICALLY. AND I THINK THE FIVE YEAR PLAN HELPS. BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS METHODICALLY SO THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE GROWING AT THE RIGHT PACE AND THEN NOT GO OVER THE GROWTH AND THEN SAY, OH, WELL, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE IT UP NEXT YEAR. BUT THEN WE DON'T BECAUSE THEN WE USE ALL THE NEW GROWTH PLUS AND THAT'S, THAT'S AFRAID OF THE CYCLE THAT WE'VE GOT INTO ON A COUPLE OF THESE.NOW, I THINK THE GOOD LAND FOR ME THE GOOD LANDLORD, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S NOT IT'S MORE THAN COST REVENUE NEUTRAL. IT'S PROGRAM THAT WE WANT. WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE FEES TO COVER THAT. WE WANTED THE PARKING. GOT THAT. I THINK WE NEED, YOU KNOW, THE FINGERPRINT MACHINE. WE NEED THAT AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE'LL SEE. WHAT KIND OF REVENUE THAT THAT MIGHT HELP US WITH THE, THE NOT TO ME NON-PROGRAMMED EVENTS. I'M NOT SURE I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF ADDING $10,000 IN ONGOING EXPENSES EVERY YEAR. FOR THAT, I THINK WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED SOME MORE MONEY FOR THAT. WE'LL TAKE IT OUT OF COUNCIL CONTINGENCY OR SOMETHING ELSE. BUT YES, WELL, WE CAN BUDGET AMENDMENTS IF WE DEEM IT A WORTHY CAUSE OR WE CAN DO AND I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT I'M NOT WILLING TO PUT IN THIS BUDGET 30,000 THAT IS ONGOING FOR CHRISTMAS LIGHTS, 10,000 FOR PARTIES. THOSE ARE NOT NEEDS, THOSE ARE WANTS. AND EVERY YEAR IT ADDS UP. I CAN'T SUPPORT THE BUDGET WITH THOSE IN THERE. IT DOES AFFECT THE CITY'S IMAGE. YEAH. AND I TOTALLY DISAGREE THAT IT'S NOT. YEAH. THOSE AREN'T WARRANTS IN MY. YEAH NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S OKAY.
BUT WHAT'S THE PLAN. WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE $30,000 IN HOLIDAY LIGHTS. IS THERE A PLAN OR IS IT JUST. WELL, WE WANT $30,000 IN LIGHTS AND WE HAVE NO PLAN. AND THEN WE'LL HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET TO IT. YES, THERE'S A PLAN. SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS HOUSES, AND THAT'S NOT THE PLAN. I DRIVE DOWN MIDVALE EVERY YEAR, AND THIS IS LONG BEFORE I WAS ON THE COUNCIL. AND THEY HAVE THOSE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS DOWN THE MAIN STREET. THEY GO DOWN AND I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT, THAT'S GREAT.
AND THEN YOU GET INTO WEST JORDAN, THERE'S NOTHING. SO I'M ACTUALLY EXCITED FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL AND IN THE 20 PLUS YEARS I LIVED HERE, THAT WE'RE EVEN THINKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING THAT'S SOME PRETTY COOL ONES, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT NOT FOR A TAX INCREASE. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD AFFORD THAT, BUT NOT ASKING OUR RESIDENTS TO JUST KEEP PAYING MORE AND MORE EVERY YEAR. IT'D BE GREAT IF THE CHRISTMAS LIGHT FAIRY CAME AROUND, PUT THEM UP AND DIDN'T CHARGE US. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. WELL, WE COULD DECIDE WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND SOMETHING ELSE IF CHRISTMAS LIGHTS ARE A HIGH PRIORITY.
THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. OKAY, SO BUT AGAIN, HOW ARE YOU WANTING TO FUND ANY OF THE THINGS ON THIS LIST. AND, OR, OR I MEAN, THE DISCUSSION IS OPEN FOR YOU TO SAY, I WANT DENISE, I WANT YOU TO CHANGE THE BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN ADOPT A TENTATIVE HERE'S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL SUPPORTS AS A CHANGE. WELL, I THINK WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS. THE I REPORT WRITING AND LICENSE PLATE READERS. I'M 100% FOR. SO THAT'S ONE OF SEVEN HERE TONIGHT.
THAT'S $178,000 A YEAR FOR THE I REPORT WRITING SOFTWARE. HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO HIRE ONE POLICE OFFICER TO WRITE ALL THE REPORTS? RIGHT THERE? $135,000. ONE POLICE OFFICER DO IT. NO, YOU WOULD. YOU WOULD NEED MORE THEN. THEN THAT'S A GOOD DEAL. THEN YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW EACH OFFICER AROUND ON ALL THEIR CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH TECHNICALLY THIS DOES, WHICH IS NICE. BUT IT DOES, IF I MAY. IT'S CHEAPER. IT'S NOT JUST THE REPORT WRITING. THERE'S SOME
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ANCILLARY EFFICIENCIES THAT WE CAPTURE IN THAT IN TERMS OF THE BODY WORN CAMERAS AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATING, WE NO LONGER HAVE TO HAVE THE EXPENSE OF AT&T LANGUAGE LINE. THE DELAY INVOLVED IN AT&T LANGUAGE LINE THE EXPENSE TO VEC BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A DISPATCHER NOW INVOLVED A BUNCH OF THERE ARE ADMITTEDLY SMALL EFFICIENCIES AND MANY OF THEM ARE SERVICE EFFICIENCIES THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE MAKE ANY FINANCIAL INROADS, BUT WE DO SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT HOW WE SERVE THE COMMUNITY. YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT. WELL, YEAH, BUT THAT'S ONLY 30% OF SPEAK ENGLISH. THAT'S TRUE. BUT I'M PAYING TO SERVE THOSE PEOPLE IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THE I AGREE WITH THAT. IT INCLUDES THE TRANSCRIPTION FOR ALL OF OUR INTERVIEW ROOMS FOR. WE NETTED IT OUT INTO THE NUMBER SHEET. IT INCLUDES THE ABILITY TO TAKE EVERY INTERVIEW DONE BY DETECTIVES, REPORT, TRANSCRIBE IT, REPORT IT IMMEDIATELY, SAVING US SOME TRANSCRIPTION COSTS THERE AS WELL. I MEAN, IT REALLY IS MAKING EVERYONE NOT JUST OUR PATROL OFFICERS, BUT OUR DETECTIVES MORE EFFICIENT, MAKES OUR REPORTS BETTER AND MORE CLEAR. IF I MIGHT JUST ADD TO THAT. SO TODAY I SPOKE WITH ONE OF OUR OUR VERY BUSY. SECTIONS, ESPECIALLY THE DETECTIVES. SHE HAD SPENT SIX HOURS TODAY TRANSCRIBING AN INTERVIEW. NO, STOP. LISTEN.STOP THAT. SHE CONDUCTED THIS TAKES CARE OF THAT. BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES. NOT ONLY IS IT PROVIDE A TRANSCRIPT THAT WE CAN GET THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY RIGHT AWAY, INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL SHE'S GOT SIX HOURS TO DO THIS, IT GIVES HER LITERALLY AN BLOCKS OF TIME TO DO 1 OR 2 OF THOSE A WEEK. THAT ALLOWS HER A 10 TO 15% INCREASE IN HER CASELOAD. AND THAT'S A CASELOAD THAT THERE IS A LOT OF PRESSURE. MOREOVER, IT PRODUCES A PRODUCT THAT GOES TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY THAT RESULTS IN QUICKER SCREENING, QUICKER CHARGES, AND LESS OF THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND THE INVESTIGATOR, SAYING, PLEASE GO DO MORE. PICK THIS CASE UP THAT YOU'VE LEFT DORMANT NOW FOR TWO WEEKS AND GO DO MORE WHILE YOU'VE GOT OTHER WORK TO DO. THE EFFICIENCIES INVOLVED HERE ARE TO ME, THEY'RE JUST MIND BOGGLING. IN MY 43 YEARS, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING THAT WILL IMPACT THE EFFICIENCY OF INVESTIGATION. THE EFFICIENCY REPORT WRITING THIS PRODUCT, FRANKLY, IT'S A LITTLE SCARY, BUT IT'S THIS IS THE THIS IS MY WORLD RIGHT NOW. SO I'M OKAY WITH THE AI WRITING MACHINE. I DON'T REALLY FAVOR THE LICENSE PLATES. AND SEEING HOW WE WERE TOLD IS THAT IF WE GOT THE AXON PROGRAM, IT WOULD SAVE POLICE TIME. I COULD SUPPORT ONE AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS. OFFICER. INSTEAD OF TWO THREE. THE REASON I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE LICENSE PLATE READERS IS I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD ASK US FOR THAT, UNLESS IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NEEDED, BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER ASKED US FOR THAT BEFORE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M FOR IT, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE COMING TO US. THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, WE NEED THIS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I'M OKAY BUDGETING THAT. BUT THE MAYOR'S BUDGET WITH A COMMITTEE ON IT DIDN'T FEEL IT WARRANTED BEING IN THE BUDGET. SO I GET THAT ANGLE. AND I'VE HEARD THAT FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS. I GET THAT HE DIDN'T PUT THIS IN HIS FIRST 2%. BUT IN THE END, THE MAYOR STILL ASKING FOR THAT. SO IF YOU FEEL THAT NO, THE MAYOR'S NOT ASKING FOR THAT, BECAUSE IF THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR THAT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET THAT HIT OUR DESK. I GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT. AND BUT I SEE IT DIFFERENTLY. I SEE IT, HE'S SAYING, HEY, IF WE CAN ADD THIS, HE'S STILL THE ONE THAT'S ASKING FOR THAT, NOT YOU, NOT KAYLEEN. NO. IF YOU WANT TO SAY NO, THE DEPARTMENT IS ASKING FOR THAT. NOT WHICH GOES THROUGH THE MAYOR. YEAH. I THINK THAT THE MAYOR'S BUDGET PROPOSED A 2% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, WHICH IS ALMOST EQUAL TO THE MONEY THAT'S SITTING ON THE TABLE WITH THE MAYOR ASKED FROM YOU IS COUNCIL. WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT SEVERAL REQUESTS. I'M SUPPORTING A 2% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. IT'S ABOUT $400,000. COUNCIL, I'M LEAVING THIS ON THE TABLE FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT IF HOW YOU WANT TO APPLY THAT, WHETHER YOU WANT TO ADD TO STREETS OR WHETHER YOU WANT TO ADD TO PUBLIC SAFETY. AND IF YOU WANT TO GO FURTHER THAN THAT, I WILL SUPPORT YOU IN THAT. THAT WAS THE MESSAGE I HEARD FROM THE MAYOR. BECAUSE REALLY, HIS 2% IS SITTING ON THE TABLE, RIGHT? RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $400,000, $402,000, AND THE 2% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE WAS $416,000. SO HE WAS ASKING FOR YOU TO MAKE A DECISION ON HOW TO APPLY, MAYBE THAT 2% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE MIGHT NOT BE HOW I
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LIKE, DID THE BUILDING BLOCKS, BECAUSE I TRIED TO MAKE THEM MAKE SENSE TO LIKE HOW WE ADDED THE REVENUE IN, BUT REALLY IT WAS I'M AS A MAYOR, I'M GOING TO GO 2%, BUT I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE MONEY ON THE TABLE FOR YOU COUNCIL. IF YOU DECIDE NO, NOTHING OR IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO ADD THESE THINGS OR YOU KNOW THAT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW THE MONEY WOULD BE ON THE TABLE. MAYBE WE'D GET THE MONEY, MAYBE WE WOULDN'T. WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A WINDFALL FROM REVENUES BEING A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WE EXPECTED THEM TO BE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO THERE'S THAT IS TRUE. BUT THE PREPARED BUDGET, LIKE WHEN I PUT PROPERTY TAX OUT, WE WERE LESS THAN $7,000 OFF IN OUR ESTIMATE. SO WE DID GIVE YOU A PROPOSED BUDGET THAT HAS THE PROPERTY TAX, THE PROPERTY TAX. BUT THE BUDGET IS MORE THAN PROPERTY TAX, RIGHT? PROPERTY TAX DOESN'T EVEN PAY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. PROPERTY DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO PLAY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO YEAH. SO THE FACT THAT WE NEED MORE OFFICERS MEANS, YES, WE NEED MORE PROPERTY TAX AND MORE OF THIS OTHER REVENUE THAT'S COMING INTO SO. SO WHAT I'M MY WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS THAT MUCH OF THIS BUDGET HOMEWORK THAT'S BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS HAS BEEN DONE WITH PROJECTIONS THAT ARE TURNING OUT TO BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE PREPARATION WAS. SO THE FACT THAT THE $60,000 WASN'T IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET, WELL, MAYBE IF HE HAD HAD THE ENERGY TAX NUMBERS THAT WE GOT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN. MAYBE SO. OR MAYBE. YEAH, MAYBE IT WOULD, MAYBE I DON'T. THAT'S JUST WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT. IS THAT, IS THAT THESE A LOT OF WHAT'S IN AND WHAT'S OUT HAS BEEN DECIDED MONTHS BEFORE WE'VE GOTTEN ACTUAL NUMBERS. THAT'S TRUE. I LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY. LIKE IF WE WANT TO ADD THIS STUFF IN, LET'S NOT SAY WHETHER OR NOT HE PUT IT IN BEFORE OR AFTER. IF WE WANT IT, LET'S ADD IT IN. IF NOT, IF NOT, LET'S NOT ADD IT IN. THAT'S THAT'S AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. LIKE DO WE WANT TWO POLICE OFFICERS? MAYBE NOT. DO WE WANT A CONCRETE CREW? LET'S NOT DO IT. SO LET'S START WITH THE CONCRETE. DO WE WANT A CONCRETE CREW? BUT BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU TO TAKE A STEP BACK. SQUISHY CREW. IF THE CURRENT BUDGET THE.$76,101,973 IF THAT BUDGET. IS NOT LEAN. AND JUST CONTINUES WITHOUT ANY EXAMINATION, WELL, IT'S LAST YEAR. PLUS WE HAVEN'T EXAMINED EXCEPT FOR, EXCEPT FOR THE BUDGETING SOFTWARE AND EXCEPT FOR THE AI SOFTWARE, WE HAVEN'T EXAMINED ANYTHING TO SAY. IT WAS IT'S LAST YEAR'S BUDGET PLUS X. LET'S JUST MOVE ON. WE'VE NEVER LOOKED AT EFFICIENCIES IN ANY BUDGET. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THE 76.1 MILLION EFFICIENT. IS THERE. NO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CUT ENOUGH TO COME UP WITH $508,000. PROBABLY NOT. BUT ARE THERE SOME EFFICIENCIES THAT WE'RE MISSING OR ARE WE JUST SAYING, WELL, IF THERE WERE SOME EFFICIENCIES, WE'LL MAKE IT UP AND THAT'LL JUST ROLL OVER INTO THE CIP NEXT YEAR. I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE I DON'T KNOW, I'M, I THINK WE SHOWED DURING COVID THAT WE CAN ALWAYS DO MORE WITH LESS, BUT ARE WE DOING THE CITY A SERVICE? ARE WE DOING OUR EMPLOYEES A SERVICE WHEN WE DO THAT? AND ARE WE BEING RESPONSIBLE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE? WHEN WE DO THAT, WE CAN ALWAYS FIND EFFICIENCIES. WE CAN ALWAYS FIND CUTS. WE SHOWED DURING COVID. WE LAID OFF 20 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER IT WAS, 40, 40 PEOPLE AND WE DID MORE WITH. NO. WE ENDED UP DOING MORE WITH MORE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UNCLE SAM DECIDED TO SEND US BUCKET AFTER BUCKET OF MONEY. BUT WE PLANNED EVERY DEPARTMENT WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED FOR EFFICIENCIES. I MEAN, LAYING OFF SOMEBODY IS PROBABLY THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO WHEN YOU'RE HUNTING FOR EFFICIENCIES, RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, HERE'S A, HERE'S AN INEFFICIENCY. WE'LL JUST CUT WARREN AND WE'LL BE GOOD. YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS START JUST CUTTING ANOTHER ONE. YEAH, THAT WAS THE OTHER ONE. THE ONE IN PARKS. SO. OH, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING. SO. SO I THINK TO SAY THAT WE'VE NEVER LOOKED AT EFFICIENCIES I THINK IS PROBABLY INACCURATE. I THINK THESE GUYS ARE LOOKING AT EFFICIENCIES EVERY TIME THEY SUBMIT A TENTATIVE BUDGET. WHEN SCOTT PUTS OUT HIS TENTATIVE BUDGET, I BET HE'S GONE THROUGH IT AND LOOKED FOR EFFICIENCIES. AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS.
AND. IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T, SPEAK UP AND I'M GOING TO BAT FOR YOU. I THINK THE FACT THAT OPERATIONS
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ONLY INCREASED BY $189,000 OVER A $76 MILLION BUDGET SPEAK, ESPECIALLY WITH INFLATIONARY COSTS. I THINK IT DOES SPEAK TO I CAN JUST SPEAK TO THE EXPERIENCE ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WITH THE MAYOR. AND CORBIN WAS WE EXAMINED THE BUDGETS PRETTY SCRUPULOUSLY, AND EVERYONE KNOWS WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN. THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE COMING IN TO JUSTIFY EVERY LINE, NOT JUST JUST THE TOP LINE, NOT JUST THEIR TOP LINE. YEAH. WE'RE NOT SAYING, WELL, IT WAS LAST YEAR. AND SO YOU GET THE SAME THING. THAT'S NOT THE CASE AT ALL. FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS, WE HAVEN'T GIVEN EMPLOYEES A COST OF LIVING INCREASE THAT'S BEEN COMMENSURATE WITH INFLATION EITHER. SO OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN FALLING BEHIND IN THEIR ACTUAL SALARIES SPENDING POWERS EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS. THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR I JUST LOOKED IT UP. WE'RE AT 2.3% INFLATION RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A 2% COLA ON THIS ONE. SO WE'RE CLOSER CLOSER THAN WE'VE BEEN IN A LONG TIME. BUT WHEN INFLATION WAS AT 10%, WE DIDN'T GIVE 10%. WE GAVE SIX, SEVEN, WHATEVER IT WAS. AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FALLING BEHIND. I'M SURE THERE'S I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THIS CITY THAT FEEL. OH, I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS. BUT I DON'T EMPLOY ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. I ONLY EMPLOY THE ONES THAT WORK HERE. BUT BUT WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE. WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY, TOO. SO. YEAH. SO WHAT I'M THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF YOU WANT TO SECOND GUESS EVERY NUMBER IN THE BUDGET AND GO THROUGH AND LOOK FOR EFFICIENCIES, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT. BUT I TRUST THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BROUGHT THE BUDGET FORWARD THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT. BUT IF WE WANT TO EXAMINE HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING ON PAPER CLIPS, I THINK WE US IS WHAT YOU WANT ON THERE. I THINK THAT WAS DENISE'S QUESTION. SO I'VE ANSWERED.CHAD'S ANSWERED. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE AN OPINION? DID WE DECIDE ON A CONCRETE. I HAVEN'T HEARD A I HAVEN'T HEARD 100% ON THAT. I HAVEN'T HEARD EITHER. LET'S START WITH THE FIRST QUESTION.
LET'S START WITH THE TENTATIVE BUDGET AS IT STANDS. ARE THERE IS THERE ANYTHING 2% INCREASE WITH THE 2% INCREASE. YEAH. THAT'S THE ONE THAT THE ONE THE MAYOR'S BUDGET AS HE PROPOSED IT TO YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING BEFORE WE LOOK AT THESE EXTRA THINGS THAT YOU WANT ME TO CHANGE? WELL, THE 30,000 IN LIGHTS ON THAT ONE. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. MAYBE WE CAN MEET IN THE MIDDLE FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT IT. MAYBE WE CAN DO IT ONE TIME CHRISTMAS LIGHTS THING AND GET A PROPOSAL. I. I GET YOUR WORRY ABOUT IT EVERY YEAR, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO IF WE'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY. AND I COULD LIVE WITH THAT. IF THE 30 K WAS COMING OUT OF A ONE TIME FEE RATHER THAN OUT OF THE OUT OF THE RESERVE FUND, IT'S $24 MILLION. WELL, WE HAVE TIME. I DON'T MEAN THIS IN A BAD WAY. WE. LET ME GO FOR A SECOND. JUST HANG ON WITH ME. THIS IS ONE TIME, RIGHT? SO THIS IS OUR ONE TIME REVENUE COUNCIL. WE KNOW SALES TAX HAS BEEN FLAT FOR FIVE YEARS. SO GRATEFUL THAT WE ADOPTED THE 5% YEAR OVER YEAR BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE ANY GROWTH. RIGHT. THIS IS OUR REMAINING ABILITY TO GROW. IF WE GO FLAT AGAIN IN 2027 BUDGET, I CAN ONLY DO IT 2.5% TAX INCREASE LIKE PROPERTY TAX INTO ONGOING RIGHT? THEN I HAVE NO MORE CAPACITY. SO WE STAY FLAT. I'M WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT A REALLY DIFFICULT YEAR NEXT YEAR IF THAT'S THE CASE. BUT WE HAVE $866,000 STILL BEING RECOGNIZED WHILE GOING FLAT IN SALES TAX REVENUE OVERALL AS ONE TIME REVENUE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE AGAIN, MOVE NEXT YEAR. SUPPORT GROWTH, SUPPORT OFF COSTS. RTA ADMINISTRATION COPS GRANT THE COPS GRANT THIS IS FOR THE TWO POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY HIRED THAT YOU APPROVED LAST YEAR. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE COPS GRANT PIECE FROM THAT. HOW LONG DOES THAT IF YOU ADD THE COP TWO COPS FROM THE LADDER, SO TO SPEAK, OF THINGS YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM, WE'LL GET ANOTHER $83,000. IT HAPPENS FOR THREE YEARS. SO WE GET 40 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS, $40,000 A YEAR PER OFFICER, 42,000 FOR THREE YEARS. THEN WE TAKE WELL. AND IN THEORY, WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IS HIRE, LIKE ZACH SAYING THE NEW GROWTH AND THAT AND THAT COVERS PART OF THE SALARY UNTIL NEW GROWTH CAUGHT UP TO WHAT WE NEED FOR THAT OFFICE, OR THAT THE REGULAR TAX CATCHES UP WITH THAT. YEAH. EXCEPT FOR THEN YOU'VE GOT MORE NEW GROWTH AND MORE NEW OFFICERS. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT AT LEAST IT SUBSIDIZES PART OF THAT. SO YOU'RE NOT EATING
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THE FULL GROWTH THE FULL YEAR. PUT THE WALLS UP AND WE DON'T ALLOW ANY MORE NEW GROWTH. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO OFFICERS THAT ARE HIRED TO SUPPORT THE UTAH ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. AND THEY SUPPORT US IN RETURN BY GIVING US $195,000 FOR THOSE TWO OFFICERS, TIME A GRANT FROM EMPG THAT SUPPORTS OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. WE HAVE MOSTLY SALES OF MATERIALS. I LEAVE THAT IN ONE TIME BECAUSE I JUST NEVER KNOW. THERE MIGHT BE A TIME WHEN WE'RE NOT SELLING ANYTHING, BUT TYPICALLY WE'RE SELLING ABOUT $100,000 OF MATERIALS THAT WOULD INCLUDE SCRAP LUMBER. I MEAN, NOT LUMBER, SURPLUS METAL, ALL KINDS OF STUFF. RIGHT? MISCELLANEOUS STUFF THAT COMES IN IS ABOUT 15,000. AND THEN THIS PERMITS THAT WILL GO AWAY. I DO NOT EXPECT IT TO CONTINUE NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S LIKE THE LAST PART OF IT. THAT'S THAT'S GOOGLE'S. WELL YEAH. IT COULD BE GOOGLE OR WHOEVER IS LIKE WE'VE GOT $1.6 MILLION OF ONE TIME REVENUE THIS YEAR. THE EXPENSES ARE ALL OF THE VEHICLES FINGERPRINT MACHINE. THE GREATER THE SWEEPER. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE THE ELECTION, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. WE HAVE LEFTOVER ONE TIME REVENUE OF THAT'S NOT ALLOCATED AT $1 MILLION. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE DOING IT AS A TRANSFER TO THE CIP IN YOUR BUDGET THAT WAS ADOPTED OR PROPOSED, YOU HAVEN'T ADOPTED ANYTHING. DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THAT OR DO YOU DO YOU DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? DO YOU SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE CHRISTMAS, BUT ONLY ONCE. WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ONCE AND SEE WE'RE GOING TO TEST IT, SEE HOW IT IS THESE ONE TIME FUNDS FOR IT. AND THEN YOU CAN EVALUATE WHETHER YOU WANT IT IN ONGOING NEXT YEAR. THAT WORKS. IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, I'M GOING TO PUT THIS OUT HERE. THERE WAS A TEXT SPREAD, I BELIEVE, YESTERDAY ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT HAD BEEN ALLOCATED FOR SOMETHING AND THERE WASN'T. IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE DAY BEFORE. THERE WASN'T A LOT OF NO, IT WAS YESTERDAY. THERE WASN'T A LOT OF EXCITEMENT OVER WHAT HAD OCCURRED. WE'RE BEING ASKED FOR $30,000 FOR CHRISTMAS LIGHTS.I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT NICE TO HAVE A CITY HAVE LIGHTS DOWN THEIR MAIN STREET. WE DON'T HAVE A MAIN STREET. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS, WHERE THOSE LIGHTS ARE GOING TO GO. WE ALREADY HAVE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS AT CITY HALL IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK. SO FOR ME, IT'S JUST I CAN'T SUPPORT AN ONGOING THING THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW, OTHER THAN CHRISTMAS LIGHTS. THAT'S LIKE, WHAT ARE WE? WHAT DO WE PAY FOR THE STAGE IN THE PARK? 200,000. I MEAN, I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO GO SIT ON THE STAGE, BUT IT'S GREAT TO HAVE NOW. COUNCIL. THE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE RETREAT WHERE THAT WAS PRIORITIZED. THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY BUILDING AND IDENTITY AND CHRISTMAS LIGHTS AND MORE EVENTS AND HOLIDAY FESTIVITIES WAS ONE OF THE THINGS MENTIONED. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THE BUDGET. WE DON'T HAVE A TIGHT PLAN AROUND WHAT WE WILL DO. AND FRANKLY, IF WE DO PUT THAT IN BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT COMING OUT OF THE RETREAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE ASKING. THOSE WERE THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU WERE ASKING TO BE IN THE BUDGET. WELL, IF WE DO THIS, I'M A FAN OF THE ONE TIME, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT A COMMUNITY CENTERED EVENT. LET'S DO A TREE LIGHTING. LET'S HAVE LET'S LET'S DO AN OFFICIAL TOGETHER, LIKE TURN IT ON TOGETHER, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND SPEND THE 30,000, THEN LET'S ACTUALLY MAKE IT A COMMUNITY EVENT SO THAT IT BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER, NOT JUST DO IT AND TURN ON THE LIGHTS AND LET'S GO. LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. OKAY. I LIKE YOUR THOUGHT. AT ONE TIME I SUPPORT TO SEE IF IT IS SOMETHING WE LIKE. THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR THE UNPLANNED EVENTS MONEY. TO HAVE THOSE THINGS WHICH WE LOVE. YES, I LOVE DISNEY FC AND I HAVE DONE THE TREE LIGHTING CEREMONIES ON STAGE FOR MULTIPLE CITIES AROUND HERE. I'VE NEVER IN WEST JORDAN, SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. I'VE GOT TO. OKAY, OKAY. SO COUNCIL THE MAJORITY IS SAYING KEEP THE 30,000 IN BUT CHANGE THE CATEGORY TO BE ONE TIME. NO. YES. YES 12345 OKAY I CAN'T LOSE SLEEP AS LONG AS WE MAKE IT IN WHICH POCKET OBVIOUSLY. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE NEEDED MORE THAN JUST LIGHTS. IF YOU'RE SAYING LIGHTING, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IN THE CITY YOU'RE PUTTING IT. BUT HEARING THAT OUR PLAN IS TO MORE OF REDWOOD ROAD. SO WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, WE DIDN'T HAVE EVERY TREE AND THAT WAS ABOUT 13,000. SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT DOES. SO WE WERE PLANNING TO DO MORE ALONG REDWOOD, MAYBE EVEN SOME ALONG 78TH. OUR PLAN WE'RE HOPING TO DO A LARGE CHRISTMAS TREE AT THE CEMETERY THAT WILL BE LIT, THAT WE CAN THEN USE THAT AND THEN SELL OR NOT SELL, HAVE STARS AND THINGS. PEOPLE CAN COME TO THE CEMETERY, HANG IT ON THE TREE. THAT WASN'T. BUT WHETHER WE HAVE AN EVENT OR NOT, OR WE HAVE A NEW STAGE, HAVE A TREE SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE WHERE WE CAN USE THAT STAGE AND FLIP THE LIGHTS, AND THEN FOR IDEAS FOR MENTORING. YEAH, I'M AND I'M HAPPY TO BECAUSE THAT WAS, THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY AT THE RETREAT. SOMETHING I TALKED ABOUT WAS HAVING A COMMUNITY THING. I WILL SAY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A COMMUNITY EVENT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CEMETERY THAT
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SEEMS TO THAT'S SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I WOULD RATHER PUT IT BACK IN OUR PARK. I STILL WANT TO DO THAT. THERE'S A TREE. I KNOW IT'S AN EVENT OR NOT. ANYWAY, LET'S THE ONE TIME WE CAN GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO DO IT, SEE IF WE CAN DO IT RIGHT. AND THEN I WOULD SAY, DO IT RIGHT AND COME AND TELL US HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. NOW, GOING BACK TO THE 2%, INSTEAD OF DOING WHAT YOU CAN, IT'S $3,000. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I'VE HEARD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE 30,000. SO OTHER THAN THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE MOVE AHEAD WITH THE 2% FOR NOW. BUT NOW WE NEED TO DECIDE IF WE WANT TO ADD MORE ON WHAT'S FROM THERE. I DID HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE TEN K AND TRAFFIC CALMING SPEED BUMPS? NO, BRIAN, THAT'S YOUR GROUP, THE 10,000 FOR TRAFFIC CALMING. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE TRAFFIC CALMING? IT'S INCREASED TRAFFIC PLANNING OR CALMING. SO NOT NOT SPEED TABLES. THERE'S OTHER METHODS. SPEED BUMPS, SPEED TABLES, BIG SIGNS THAT SAY SLOW DOWN. WELL THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT METHODS SPEED TABLES AND DIFFERENT THINGS. SO WHY DO WE NEED TEN K NOW MORE THAN WE NEEDED TEN K LAST YEAR JUST BECAUSE OF THE. WE NOW HAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THE REQUEST. WE ARE GETTING. LIGHTS ARE PRETTY EXPENSIVE. NO LIGHTS ARE SIGNS. RADAR SPEED SIGNS ARE 12 GRAND A PIECE. WE'VE BEEN VERY FAR BEHIND IN TRAFFIC. NO TRAFFIC CALMING FOR A VERY LONG TIME.WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN BEHIND 3 OR 4 YEARS AND PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT STUFF ON THEIR STREET, PROBABLY WHEN I, WHEN I CAMPAIGNED DOOR TO DOOR WAS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I PROBABLY HEAR THE MOST IS PEOPLE SPEEDING ON THE STREET. YOU KNOW, ABOUT PEOPLE SPEEDING ON THE STREET. THAT'S THE SILENT MAJORITY THAT DOESN'T EVER COME COMPLAIN. THAT'S THE COMPLAINT ABOUT. THE ONES THAT COME COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN ABOUT OTHER STUFF AND SOMETIMES THAT, YEAH, CAN I SAY WE HAD PRETTY CONSISTENT COMPLAINTS ON THAT TOO. EXCELLENT. OKAY. SO THAT $30,000 CHANGE ADDED 30,000 TO THIS. SO IT'S 432 592 RIGHT OF ONGOING MONEY THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE FROM THIS OR NOT. OR YOU GIVE ME DIRECTION FROM HERE. I ALSO HAVE PROPERTY TAX THAT I CAN SHOW YOU MORE ABOUT IF YOU WANT TO SEE. SO DENISE, OUR CHOICE CURRENTLY IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE AND YOU CAN ADOPT THE MAYOR'S BUDGET. YES, YOU CAN ADOPT A 2% INCREASE AND FUND AROUND 400,000 OF THE STUFF ON THE BOARD. CORRECT. THE MAYOR'S BUDGET DOES INCLUDE A 2% INCREASE. SO YES. BUT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. SHE'S SHE'S JUST REPHRASING IT DIFFERENTLY. AND THEN IF WE INCLUDE ALL OF THIS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE. 4% INCREASE 8% 800,000. WELL NO, IT WOULD BE THE 2% THAT'S ALREADY IN WAS ANOTHER 2%. SO A 6% INCREASE. NO 4%, 4%, TWO PLUS TWO. YEAH. BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH MONEY THAT. CORRECT. SO TO ME THE MAYOR'S BUDGET REALLY DOES NOT I MEAN ONCE THE REAL NUMBERS CAME IN, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE AN INCREASE. IT IS, BUT THE INCREASE IS A TRANSFER TO THE CIP. HOW'S THAT. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE IT PUBLIC ANYWAY BECAUSE IT IS A 2% INCREASE. YEAH. IN ESSENCE, IF YOU WERE TO SAY WE WANT TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED BUDGET, TAKE OUT THE 2%, THEN WE JUST REDUCE THE TRANSFER TO THE CIP AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE A NET EFFECT OF THAT OUTSIDE OF A TRANSFER. WE USE THIS TRANSFER TO THE CIP IS KIND OF OUR THAT'S OUR RUBBER BAND. RIGHT. THAT'S IT IS ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN STRETCH IT OUT. WE CAN LET IT DOWN. THAT'S ON THE WATER DISTRICT. WE CALL IT THE REVENUE STABILIZATION FUND. KIND OF A SIMILAR TYPE THING. WE USE IT AS WE HAVE THIS KIND OF SHOCK ABSORBER IN THIS TRANSFER CIP. HOWEVER CIP HAS NEEDS, RIGHT. THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
WE HAVE A BIG OLD LIST CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT NEED TO GET DONE, AND THEY DON'T GET DONE IF THEY'RE NOT FUNDED. NOT ONLY THAT, CIP IS ALSO YOUR SOURCE FOR A LOT OF THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS. THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ROAD SURFACES, RIGHT? WE HAVE THIS LIST OF THESE PROJECTS THAT AREN'T GOING TO GET DONE IF WE JUST SAY, OH, WELL, WE CAN TRANSFER LESS INTO THE CIP. WELL, OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S IT'S EASY TO SAY, BUT THAT HAS AN IMPACT TO. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW FAR BEYOND HOW FAR BEHIND WE ARE ON THINGS LIKE. PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE AND WATER LINE REPLACEMENTS, I KNOW THAT'S A SEPARATE THING. BUT SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT NEED TO GET DONE IN THE CITY THAT COME FROM THE CIP MONEY, WE CAN'T JUST TREATING IT LIKE A RUBBER BAND MIGHT NOT BE
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THE BEST PRACTICE, RIGHT? TREATING IT LIKE, WELL, WE CAN TRANSFER IN 500,000 OR WE CAN TRANSFER IN 5 MILLION. AND THE CIP WILL JUST ABSORB IT AND USE WHATEVER WE GIVE THEM. WHICH IS TRUE, BUT THAT HAS NO YOU'RE RIGHT. WE SHOULD HAVE WE SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THAT, WE SHOULD HAVE A. DEDICATED ALLOTMENT TO CIP. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT EVERY BUDGET YEAR. I THINK YOU'LL REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THE BEST PHILOSOPHY IS FOR US TO SAY BUILT INTO ONGOING IS A TRANSFER TO THE CIP. RIGHT. AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ORIGINALLY IN LIKE 2021, I BELIEVE, WAS THAT OUR TARGET WAS ABOUT 5% OVER THE CIP AND THAT WE WERE KIND OF GOING TO GROW THAT. BUT WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET THERE. EVER BEEN ABLE TO GET QUITE GET THERE. BRIAN. MAINTENANCE WORKER. IS THAT A CONCRETE WORKER. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. WE HAVE ONE IN THE BUDGET ALREADY. SO WE'RE WELL WE'RE ASKING FOR TWO BUT THERE'S ONE ALREADY IN ATTENDANCE. YOU'RE ASKING FOR A FIVE RIGHT. WELL FOUR. WELL HIS DREAM IS THE THREE STAR. SO WE HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW IN THE TENTATIVE BUDGET. AND THEN WE'RE WE WANTED A FOUR MAN CREW. THAT'S ADDITIONAL TO THAT. YEAH. THIS IS ADDITIONAL. AT LEAST YOU HAVE TWO. YEAH. SO. SO IT'D BE A CREW SUPERVISOR, A HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATOR AND MAINTENANCE. YEAH. SO, SO BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY ONE MAINTENANCE WORKER IN THE TENTATIVE BUDGET, THIS ONE IS $70,000 HIGHER BECAUSE THE CREW IS ACTUALLY ONLY FOUR PEOPLE, NOT FIVE. YES. SORRY, BRIAN, YOUR REQUEST HAD AN EXTRA PERSON LIKE ON YOUR REQUEST SHEET, SO I APOLOGIZE. THAT WAS MY. THAT'S MY BAD. THAT'S MY BAD. SORRY. SO YES. SO IT WOULD BE 312,000 BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ONE MAINTENANCE WORKER IN THERE. COUNCIL DENISE MENTIONED SHE HAS SOME PROPERTY TAX INFORMATION. I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT WAS YEAH I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU. IS IT JUST GO WITHOUT THAT? SHE'S A REALLY GOOD ESTIMATOR OR AM I GOING I WAS GOING TO SAY GOOD GUESSER, BUT OH, THERE I AM. BETTER THAN A GUESS. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. SO AVERAGE WEST JORDAN HOME VALUE. I THOUGHT THIS WAS THIS MIGHT BE HELPFUL INFORMATION. SO I STARTED IN 2010 WITH FIVE YEARS 2015 WITH FIVE YEARS. WENT TO 2020 AND THEN WENT FORWARD. SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE FOR WEST JORDAN. IT'S KIND OF IT WAS KIND OF A LITTLE SHOCKING WHEN YOU THINK 2010, AS I FILLED OUT LONG AGO FOR ME. BUT 15 YEARS WE HAVE MORE THAN DOUBLED THE HOUSING AVERAGE HOME PRICE IN WEST JORDAN. IT WAS ELECTED IN 2020. THIS IS THE PROPERTY TAX RATE. SO IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT. YOU'LL SEE THOSE SAME YEARS 2010, 2015, 2020 AND FORWARD. YOU'RE SEEING THAT DOWNWARD SLOPE BECAUSE YOU SEE THE UPWARD SLOPE ON THE PRICES OF THE HOUSE. AND REMEMBER ANYTIME AN ASSESSED VALUE GOES UP THE RATE GOES DOWN. NOW THERE'S SOME BALANCE BETWEEN THIS COMMERCIAL ASSESSMENTS WHICH PAY 100% PROPERTY TAX, AND RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENTS WHICH PAY THEIR 55%. RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE NEXT CHART I'M SORRY. LET ME GO BACK. THIS RATE IN 2025 IS YOUR NEW RATE COUNCIL. IF YOU WERE NOT TO ADOPT A 2% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE AS PROPOSED, IT WOULD BE 001289. THE NEXT 1001315 IS WHAT IT IS AFTER THE 2% THAT THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED. OKAY. YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT CHART. EXCUSE ME. COME ON. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO. SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE AVERAGE HOME WITH THE GREEN BARS ACROSS. AND THEN THE BLUE LINE AND THE RIGHT SIDE IS THE TAX RATE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT INVERTED RELATIONSHIP. WHENEVER SOMETHING GOES UP SOMETHING GOES DOWN. AND VICE VERSA. IF I HAD 2008 IN HERE, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN VALUES GO DOWN AND THE TAX RATE GO UP. YOU SEE WE HAVE YET TO SEE A VICE VERSA. YEAH, THAT WAS 2008 THE LAST TIME I SAW IT HAPPENED, 2008 TO 2012. ACTUALLY. WE'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY FLAT 22 TO 23.YEAH. YEP. DO YOU HAVE ONE THAT SHOWS THE AMOUNT THAT YOUR AVERAGE HOME OWNER IS PAYING DOLLARS RIGHT AFTER THIS NEXT ONE? SO THIS ONE SHOWS YOU THE RELATIONSHIPS AND WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. RIGHT. BECAUSE
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COMMERCIAL PAYS AT 100% WHEN THEIR ASSESSED VALUE GOES UP, THE IMPACT TO OUR TAX RATE IS GREATER WHEN THEIR ASSESSED VALUES GO DOWN. IT ISN'T. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HERE IN 2020 I'M GOING TO USE 2021 THE PROPERTY I'M SORRY. THE ASSESSED VALUE WENT UP 13%. IF THERE WAS LIKE A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP, WE WOULD HAVE SEEN A DROP IN OUR RATE OF 13%. BUT WE DIDN'T. WE SAW A DROP IN OUR RATE OF 6%. THAT'S BECAUSE DURING THIS TIME PERIOD OF 21, 22 AND 23, THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE WAS DEVALUING BECAUSE OF COVID. COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE. THE VALUE OF THAT SPACE STARTED DROPPING PRETTY CONSISTENTLY. WE ALSO HAD A VERY BIG PLAYER IN OUR CITY. APPEAL THEIR THEIR ASSESSED VALUE AND THEY WON THEIR APPEAL. AND SO WE ALSO SAW THAT COME DOWN TREMENDOUSLY. SO, SO THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT HAPPEN. THEY HAD ONE I THINK IT AFFECTED US DIDN'T IT? I THINK SO IT AFFECTED THE STATE RATES. I THINK THAT'S UP TO YOU CAN SEE THIS YEAR THOUGH, WE'VE HAD THE OPPOSITE EFFECT. RIGHT. FINALLY, OUR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES HAVE EXCEEDED THE ASSESSED VALUE INCREASE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ONLY INCREASED BY 4%. BUT OUR RATE ACTUALLY DROPPED 10%. THAT'S BECAUSE THE INCREASED VALUE OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL IN OUR CITY, THAT VALUE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE 2%, IT WOULD DROP 7.9%. SO EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED FOR, COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK 2024. THE ASSESSED VALUE MARKET WAS 528,000. THE TAXABLE VALUE WAS 290. OUR RATE WAS 0.0371378. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE DEBT ON THERE. I BROKE OUT THE DEBT BECAUSE I WANTED YOU TO SEE THAT SEPARATELY. SO THE CITY'S PROPERTY TAX THAT YEAR FROM THE YEAR BEFORE, WHICH I DON'T SHOW ON THE SLIDE, INCREASED BY $9. OKAY. WE DID A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. WE INCREASED IT BY $9. THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN THE DEBT BECAUSE THAT WAS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT. IN 2025, THE VALUE OF THE HOME GOES UP, TAXABLE VALUE GOES UP, BUT THE RATE GOES DOWN. THE EFFECT OF THAT BECAUSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ASSESSED HIGHER AT A HIGHER INFLATIONARY RATE OR ASSESSED VALUE RATE, WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING A DECREASE OF THE BASE PROPERTY TAX OF $10.EVEN WITH DOING NOTHING, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAXES WILL GO DOWN $10. THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO DOWN ANOTHER $15 BECAUSE DEBT IS GONE. SO AN AVERAGE HOME IN WEST JORDAN IS GOING TO SEE A DECREASE IN PROPERTY TAX OF $25 THIS YEAR. IF WITH THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED 2%, THAT TOP LINE CHANGES TO A $2 DECREASE, THEY LOSE THE $15 OFF THEIR BILL AND THE DECREASE IS $17. YOU LOST ME SOMEWHERE IN THERE. 398 PLUS ZERO IS 415. YEAH, IT IS IN MY SLIDE. SO SORRY. THIS WAS REALLY, REALLY LATE. SO SHOULD THAT NUMBER BE 398? THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE 398 I APOLOGIZE. THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE IS APPROVED. THE AVERAGE HOME WILL PAY $2 LESS TO THE CITY AND THE DEBT WILL ROLL OFF. YES. SO THE INCREASE IS APPROVED. I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS. MAKE SURE THOSE IN THE BACK, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE FOR THOSE IN THE WINDOWS, I USED TO SAY THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE IS IMPROVED IS APPROVED. YOU WILL PAY $2 LESS THAN YOU PAID. LAST YEAR YOUR HOME WENT UP $20,000 IN VALUE, AND YOU WILL PAY $2 LESS IN TAXES. IF WE INCREASE YOUR TAXES. IT SOUNDS EASY, BUT EVERY YEAR WE CAN'T EXPLAIN IT. IT'S SO HARD TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING ABOUT MILK AND CEREAL, I REMEMBER. YEAH, I REMEMBER THE CEREAL BAR. THANK YOU. BUT THE STORY THAT YOU HEAR FROM EVERY TAXPAYER IS. YEAH, YOU HAD A DEBT, YOU PAID IT OFF AND NOW YOU'RE JUST USING. I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT PART. I'M LEAVING THAT PART OUT OF IT. I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU HEAR IS BECAUSE REALLY IT'S GOING DOWN $17 IF YOU INCLUDE THAT PART. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE $2 PART BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ADDING 15 BACK IN. WE'RE NOT ADDING THE 15 BACK OR SOMETHING BACK THEN. NO, THE 415 WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE 415 ON THAT LAST.
I'M SORRY, THAT WAS MY PROBLEM. CHANGE THAT. THREE. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT WE HEAR IS PEOPLE SAY, YEAH, BUT MY PROPERTY TAX BILL WENT FROM 1927 TO 1948. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT 15 OTHER TAXING ENTITIES ON THERE THAT ARE ALL PLAYING WITH THEIR TAX RATES. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEIR THEIR AGGREGATE TOTAL GOES UP SO THEY CAN YELL AT US BECAUSE WE ADVERTISED A TAX
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INCREASE THAT WAS A TAX DECREASE BY $2, BUT WE HAD TO ADVERTISE IT AS A TAX INCREASE. THANK YOU.WHAT'S YOUR BUCKET FROM STEVENSON? GOVERNOR COX JUST PUT IT ON COX HOWARD STEVENSON.
YEAH. THANK YOU, SENATOR STEVENSON FOR THAT TERMINOLOGY FORCING. BUT YOUR TAX RATE, YOUR TAX YOUR ACTUAL DOLLARS POINT IS GOING DOWN $2 3.8. BUT THEY COME YELL AT US BECAUSE WE HAD TO CALL IT AN INCREASE. AND THEY SAW A NET INCREASE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT -$2. WELL IT IS ABLE TO GIVE THEM IT IS POLICE OFFICERS. IT IS INCREASING BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING DOLLARS AWAY FROM. SO YOU'RE TAKING. AND THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE BECAUSE IF THE CHANGE WOULD HAVE BEEN MINUS. YEAH.
YOU'RE INCREASING THE DECREASE. ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT $8. RIGHT. SO THE SO THE MINUS THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NO SERIOUSLY ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT $8 THERE. THE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT I REPRESENT. YES I AM WORRIED ABOUT $8 AND ONE YEAR. YEAH OKAY. YOU'RE NOT IT'S A LATTE. IT'S $8. IT'S A LATTE. IF YOU COULD AFFORD THAT LIFESTYLE. BUT IT COULD BE YOUR MEDICATION FOR A MONTH. BUT WE JUST WE DID IT. SO YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL SIDES, NOT JUST ONE. AND THIS IS AN AVERAGE. SO I AGREE I MEAN YOU'RE RIGHT THAT IT'S SUCH A GREAT GUY. I JUST LOVE HIM TO PIECES. HE DID SO MANY GOOD GUY. BUT HE IS A GOOD GUY BUT ISN'T ELECTED OFFICIAL. HE'S DONE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE MADE IT REAL FUNNY THAT WE TALK TO THE DIFFICULTY. THE DIFFICULTY WITH THIS THOUGH, IS THANK YOU. THAT'S RIGHT. THE DIFFICULTY WITH THIS IS THIS IS THE AVERAGE. THAT AND YES, I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. COUNCIL MEMBER WHITLOCK THERE ARE ABOUT 50% OF THE HOUSES THAT THE TAX RATE WILL NOT PROBABLY NOT 50%. BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL. COUNCILMEMBER WHITLOCK AND I WORKED ON HER HOME NOT VERY LONG A COUPLE YEARS AGO. HER HOME INCREASED IN VALUE 30% IN ONE YEAR. AND WE TALKED ABOUT APPEALING, RIGHT, WHICH WAS A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS. IT WAS THE WEIRDEST THING EVER IN HER NEIGHBORHOOD AND HER LITTLE AREA. EVERYBODY ELSE WENT DOWN. SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF SHE EVER GOT A GOOD ANSWER. BUT THERE ARE THERE WILL BE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THEIR VALUE WILL GO UP AND THEIR TAX WILL GO UP. BUT THERE ARE MORE PROPERTY OWNERS. THEY'RE GOING TO SEE A DECREASE. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE IN OUR MEDIAN AND OUR MEDIAN OF THIS. EXACTLY. YEAH. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ANY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO DO.
WE DON'T WE DO KNOW THE AVERAGE, BUT THE AVERAGE WE GOT, WE HAVE TO USE SOMETHING FOR A REAL LIFE APPLICATION, RIGHT? SO WE USE THE AVERAGE. YES. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE RIGHT FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GET 172 ON EVERY PRACTICE. OKAY. THAT WAS JUST MY OUTLINE. SO THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION FOR YOU RIGHT? TO KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO AN AVERAGE HOME IN WEST JORDAN, EXCEPT THE LAST COLUMN SHOULD SAY CHANGE FROM 2025, SHOULDN'T IT? BECAUSE IT'S 2324.
THAT WOULD BE 2525. IT IS THE CHANGE FROM 20. THE CHANGE TO THERE'S JUST TWO DIFFERENT COLUMNS WHICH COLUMN A AND COLUMN B BOTH CHANGES. OH I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING BECAUSE ONE IS A 2% INCREASE. ONE IS NOT A 2% INCREASE. ALL RIGHT I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. YES OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU GO TO THE OTHER CITY COMPARISON BY A GALLON OF MILK FOR $2. AS OF TODAY, UFA, DRAPER AND BLUFFDALE WERE NOT AVAILABLE. SO I WILL PREFACE THIS. ANYONE THAT HAS A ONE ON THEM, I USED UFA'S RATE FROM LAST YEAR BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A RATE CALCULATED YET. DRAPER IS OFF OF THIS BECAUSE THERE FOR SOME REASON THERE WASN'T CALCULATED THERE. THE ONLY CITY. THIS IS THE CERTIFIED TAX RATE. SO THAT MEANS THAT THEY DON'T DO A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE AT ALL. THIS WILL BE WHAT RATE THEY ADOPT UNLESS THEY'VE GOT UFA IN THERE WHICH MIGHT MESS THEM UP. WE ARE THE DARK BLUE UNDER THE CERTIFIED RATE, THE ONE, TWO, EIGHT, NINE. AND THEN WITH THE 2% WE'RE UP AT THE 1001315. SO WE COULD BE DOWN THERE WITH SANDY BECAUSE WE GOT AN AWFUL LOT LIKE THEM. OH, WAIT. YEAH.
SO AND IF WE WERE TO MOVE ANOTHER 2% IF COUNCIL, IF YOU CHOSE TO DO ANOTHER 2%, YOU WOULD LAND BETWEEN HOLLADAY AND MURRAY. SO YOU'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO MURRAY QUITE YET. YOU CAN DO ALMOST A 10% AND THEN TALK ABOUT OUR LOTS. IF WE WANTED TO COMPARE LIKE OUR CITY, THOUGH,
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AND LIKE HOW WE'RE PERCEIVED, WHAT OUR SIZE, NOT OUR SIZE. SIZE REALLY IS NOT REALLY RELEVANT, BUT EVALUATION OF OUR PERCENTAGE, OUR EVALUATION. WHO ARE WE SIMILAR TO? WE'RE SIMILAR TO WEST VALLEY. WE'RE SIMILAR TO TAYLORSVILLE. WE'RE SIMILAR TO MIDVALE A LITTLE BIT. THEY GOT A BETTER MAIN STREET THAN WE DO. LIKE CHAD SAID, OUR MAIN STREET, THEY ARE OUR MAIN STREET BACK.THOSE ARE WHO WE'RE KIND OF SIMILAR TO. YET WHAT WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT. WHY ARE WE WHY ARE WE THE ONES THAT FALL BEHIND? WHY DON'T WE GET THE AMENITIES? WHY DON'T WE GET THE REGIONAL INVESTMENT? WHY WHY IS WEST JORDAN SHORT CHANGE ALL THE TIME? WE'RE NOT WILLING TO PLAY BALL. THAT'S WHY WE'RE WE CONSISTENTLY LAG BEHIND OUR PEER CITIES BECAUSE WE LACK THE POLITICAL WILL. I THINK SOUTH JORDAN ACTUALLY IS DOING MIGHTY WELL. SOUTH JORDAN MAY BE THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. AND THEY ALSO HAVE A VERY THEY ARE GOING FOR THEIR THIRD YEAR IN A ROW WITH NO INCREASES TO THEM. THEY HAVE THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP. THEY HAVE DENSITIES. THEY HAVE DENSITY THAT WE DON'T HAVE. THEY HAVE DENSITY A LOT OF DENSITY. THERE YOU GO. SOUTH JORDAN HAS DENSITY. SANDY HAS IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER. THEY'RE HAVING STRUGGLES FILLING THEIR MEATBALLS. WE REFUSE. WE REFUSE TO HAVE DENSITY. NOT REALLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REFUSE TO HAVE THE DENSITY THAT SOUTH JORDAN HAS. WE CAN'T GET THE CAR DEALERSHIPS THAT SANDY HAS. SO WE HAVE TO PLAY IN THE SAME SANDBOX AS TAYLORSVILLE, WEST VALLEY, MIDVALE. I DON'T AGREE ON DENSITY. I THINK THAT WE'VE ENTITLED THE DENSITY. THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT. I POSSIBLY THAT'S WHY SOUTH JORDAN IS ABLE TO BE LOWER. BECAUSE THEY HAVE. BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN BUILT.
YEAH. BECAUSE THEY IMPROVE THE DENSITY 20 YEARS AGO. YEAH. SOME OF OUR DENSITY HAS BEEN APPROVED. ALMOST. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? BACK TO THE SMORGASBORD. HERE'S YOUR PLATTER. YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THE FACE. THAT'S WHAT THIS FEELS LIKE. YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HEAR? YOU KNOW WHAT, I LIKE THIS. CHOOSING NOT TO EAT. WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS, THOUGH, A LOT BETTER THAN A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN THERE WAS NO PROPERTY TAX PROPOSED. SO WE HAD TO JUSTIFY IT AND WE WERE COMING UP WITH RANDOM STUFF. THIS IS ALL, TO ME, EMINENTLY JUSTIFIABLE.
POLICE OFFICERS AND CONCRETE CREWS. WE NEED THEM. SURE. AND EVERYBODY AGREES WITH THAT, THAT THERE WERE A FEW THINGS IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T AGREE WITH. OKAY, WELL, THIS IS 809, ALMOST $900,000. DO YOU HAVE ALMOST $900,000 WORTH OF THINGS, OR ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT $30,000 IN CHRISTMAS LIGHTS AND PRETEND THAT WE'RE TALKING IN THE SAME BALLPARK? THAT THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS, IT MATTERS. I'M ASKING YOU AND THE WHOLE BUDGET IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING YES TO. WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING TO WHAT YOU HAVE $900,000. NO, THERE IS NOT $900,000 IN HERE. THERE'S NOT $900,000 IN WANTS, BUT THESE ARE $900,000 IN NEEDS. THEN I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY, ACTUALLY, IT'S CLOSER TO $500,000 BECAUSE OF THE 400. THE EXCESS 400,000. SO THE EXCESS. SO IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THE CURRENT BUDGET WITH THE 2% PAY RAISE, WITH THE 2% INCREASE, WE PAID FOR THE CONCRETE CREW AND NOT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. YEAH, YEAH. WITH THE 2% INCREASE. YEAH. WELL ACTUALLY THAT'S BECAUSE 70,000. RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT WOULD LEAVE A LITTLE BIT. THERE'D EVEN BE A LITTLE BIT LEFT OVER THAT TO TAKE OUT ONE OF THOSE MAINTENANCE WORKERS, TAKE OUT ONE OF THOSE MAINTENANCE WORKERS. GO AHEAD. SO WHAT WHAT I'M HEARING IS DO WE WANT WHAT I'M HEARING IS DO WE WANT TWO EXTRA POLICE OFFICERS AROUND? OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING I WANT ONE. DO WE WANT OR DO WE NEED? I WANT TO SEE WHAT BINGO PROGRAM WILL DO.
WHAT DO YOU WANT? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR BINGO, I SAID I WAS SAYING, DO WE WANT OR DO WE NEED? THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SHE SAID NEED AND I AGREE. I THINK YOU NEED THE TWO POLICE OFFICERS AND THE AXON BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE STILL PLAYING CATCH UP. YEAH. AND THAT'LL HELP US CATCH UP FASTER. SOMETIMES WE PLAY. IT'S A TEAM EFFORT AND SOMETIMES. I DON'T WANT TO MESS UP THE FORMATTING. ALTHOUGH I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO PATROL A THING ANYMORE, RIGHT? JULY.
JULY. I'M JOKING. MAY BE SORELY DISAPPOINTED. I KNOW THE STATE PROMISES NOT TO CONTINUE TO TAKE
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FATAL CRASHES ON BANGOR. ON VIEW AND NEW AT 11, AND THEY CONTINUE TO BE A SIGNIFICANT RESOURCE.BUT I YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT THAT WILL IMPROVE IN YEARS TO COME UP IS TICKETING ON BANGOR IN WEST JORDAN. I DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE. THEY ARE JUST SEEN IT. YOU JUST HEARD. YEAH I SEE ASKING FOR.
YEAH THAT'S TRUE. WHAT THEY'RE NOT WHAT THEY'RE NOT DOING IS INVESTING THEIR RESOURCES. SO LIKE TODAY WE HAD A SEMI TRUCK CRASH ON 90TH SOUTH AND I GET IT 90 SOUTH STATE HIGHWAY. BUT IT'S NOT INCLUDE HOW MANY I MEAN THAT'S SIX POLICE OFFICERS. PLUS WE CALL OUT SPECIALIZED INVESTIGATORS IN THE TRUCKS. ON YOU. AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF IT'S NOT SO MUCH JORDAN I DON'T I DON'T MEAN TO COMPLAIN, BUT YOU YOU JUST NEED TO REALIZE THE PROMISE IS NOT BEING FULFILLED. WE'RE TOLD THAT IT WILL HAPPEN SOMEDAY. SOMEDAY AND SOMEDAY.
SONG AT A. IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE ACTUAL NEEDS, THOUGH, THAT ARE FALLING BEHIND. BECAUSE WE.
BECAUSE WE. YEAH. I HAVE A CRASH WITH A SEMI ON 90,700 WEST, AND I GOT A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES THAT SAY, GET THAT ROAD CLEARED BECAUSE MY CUSTOMERS NEED TO COME IN AND SPEND MONEY IN MY STORE. THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE IMPORTANT TO GET TO THE INSTACARE THAN THE STORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. THAT'S STILL A BUSINESS.
STILL A BUSINESS. SO I'M HEARING I'M HEARING AT LEAST FOUR OF US ARE OKAY WITH BOTH OF THESE. I'M OKAY WITH THE ENTIRE POLICE OFFICERS. I'M OKAY WITH BOTH OF THEM ON BOTH SIDES. THE LICENSE PLATE READER FOR ME. SO, COUNCIL, I'M HEARING THAT YOU WANT TO INCREASE PROPERTY TAX TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. I FEEL LIKE WE AT LEAST HAVE FOR THAT REPORT. I HAVE ONE POLICE OFFICER AXON AND ONE MADE ONE MAINTENANCE WORKER. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. ONE MAINTENANCE WORKER WON'T DO ANY GOOD BECAUSE THEY NEED THE. THAT IS NOT WHAT SUPERVISOR BRIAN SAID WHEN HE CAME BEFORE US. HE SAID IT WOULD HELP, JUST NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT BIG OF A DENT IN MOVING.
YEAH, IT. MIGHT. YEAH. DANCING CONCRETE. WELL, THIS IS OVER $800,000. YEAH. BUT YOU HAVE 400,000, RIGHT? THAT WOULD REQUIRE 4% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE INSTEAD OF THE 2% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE WITH THE 2% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, WE'VE ALREADY GOT 400,000 TO PLAY WITH. SO WHEN YOU ADD THE 800,000 HERE YOU HAVE 400,000. THAT'S TWO MORE STILL BE AT JUST SO IT'S TWO MORE PERCENT. SO IT WOULD BE A 4% 4% INCREASE. YEAH IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS WITH SOME OF THE STUFF GOING AT ONE TIME. REAL QUICK WE HEARD ON THE POLICE SIDE BACKLOG, WHAT'S YOUR BACKLOG ON CONCRETE SO WE CAN APPLES TO APPLES. THIS BACKLOG CONCRETE. RIGHT NOW THERE'S 43,000 CONCRETE DEFICIENCIES. THAT'S JUST WHAT'S ON THE THAT'S JUST WHAT'S ON OUR MAP. WE DIDN'T HAVE THERE'S TEN THERE'S 10,000 OF THOSE IN MY DRIVEWAY. BRIAN. BRIAN, ONE OF THE MEETINGS YOU HAD INDICATED WAS THE TIME BACKLOG IS, WELL, RIGHT NOW IN THE WORK ORDER PROGRAM WITH WHAT'S BEEN REPORTED, IT'S TWO YEARS. SO IF YOU HIRED THIS CREW, WHAT DOES THAT WHERE DOES THAT GET YOU? IT'LL GIVE US ROUGHLY WHAT WE FIGURED. JASON, 15,000 EXTRA SQUARE FEET OF CONCRETE, WHICH IS ABOUT TRANSLATE THAT FOR ME. 997 900, 970 THE SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING? YEAH. SECTIONS OF SIDEWALK REPAIRED. ARE WE FALLING BEHIND MORE EVERY YEAR WITHOUT WITH THIS CREW, WILL WE STILL BE FALLING BEHIND MORE EVERY YEAR? JUST AT A SLOW, SLOWER PACE. BUT IT'LL STILL BE FALLING BEHIND EVERY YEAR. WE REALLY NEED MORE THAN ONE CREW THEORETICALLY, TO CATCH. YEAH, RIGHT. WE DON'T. YEAH. NO, I'M JUST SAYING I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A PICTURE OF.
OF WHAT? WHAT IS THIS. IS THIS A BAND AID OR DOES THIS WILL THESE WILL THIS CREW EVENTUALLY REVERSE THE CURVE SO THEY WORK THEMSELVES OUT OF A JOB? BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE CAUGHT UP? NO, JUST TO SLOW IT DOWN. IT'S JUST THEY WILL. NO. BUT IT'LL HELP US DO IT TWICE THE JOB IF WE HIRE, IF WE'RE INCREASING THE CREW SIZE BY 15%. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE DO THIS, BUT JUST HYPOTHETICALLY. SO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? IF YOU HIRED FIVE NEW CREWS, YOU'D REVERSE THE TREND, RIGHT? AND NOW WE'D BE CATCHING UP. AND EVENTUALLY, WITHIN A YEAR OR 2 OR 3, WE WOULDN'T NEED THOSE FIVE CREWS ANYMORE, BECAUSE NOW WE'D BE AHEAD, AND THE PROPER NUMBER OF CREWS TO MAINTAIN WOULD BE LIKE TWO AND A HALF, 3 OR 1 AND A HALF OR WHATEVER.
SOME NUMBER BETWEEN 1 AND 5. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, DOES THIS CREW GET US THERE, OR IS THIS CREW JUST A BAND AID ON TOP OF THE BAND AID? IT'S THIS CREW WILL HELP US. HELP US A LITTLE.
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IT'S THE LITTLE FLOATIES YOU THROW TO YOUR KIDS SO THEY DON'T DROWN. THEY'RE NOT TEACHING THEM HOW TO. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE JASON DROWN. YEAH, I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE ANNEX OVERSHADOWS IT, LIKE. AND WE'RE ANNEXING THE NEW PIECE. LIKE OVERSHADOWS THE NEW PIECE IS IN A LOT BETTER CONDITION. YEAH, IT IS, IT IS. I'VE DRIVEN UP BY, LIKE, OCHER SHADOWS.WE'RE STILL CATCHING UP AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S DIXIE VALLEY, 20 YEARS OLD ANNEXATION, 25 YEARS OLD. OLD DIXIE VALLEY. YEAH, YEAH. AND WE HAVE 43,000 ON THE MAP. AND THAT'S ONLY WHAT'S BEEN SURVEYED. I MEAN, THEY'VE DONE IT'S OVER A YEAR, SO THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE THAN THAT. BUT NOT EVERYONE ON THE MAP IS IN NEED OF A REPAIR NECESSARILY. IT'S GOT SOME DEFECTS BUT IT'S IN NEED OF SOMETHING. YES. YEAH. AND WHAT YOU NEED TO REALIZE TO THE BIG PICTURE IN THIS IS WE'LL BE CONTRACTING LESS WORK. WE'LL STILL BE USING CONTRACTORS TO, BUT WE'LL BE STRETCHING THE CLASS C ROAD FUNDING FURTHER.
KIND OF LIKE THE BRINGING THE MAINTENANCE WORKERS IN-HOUSE FOR THE FOR THE CUSTODIAL HOUSE.
RIGHT. YEAH. BRINGING SOME STUFF IN HOUSE WE CAN CONTROL COST BETTER AND. AND WE DO A BETTER JOB ON SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS. YOU GOT PREVAILING WAGES AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MORE COSTLY THAN. AND IF WE CAN CONTROL HOW MUCH COLA WE GIVE THEM EVERY YEAR, INSTEAD OF GOING BY MARKET RATE. OH WAIT, BRIAN, THIS THIS WAS A YEAR OR TWO AGO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IN SOME SECTIONS OF THE CITY, THE CONCRETE'S GETTING WORSE BECAUSE THOSE TREES ARE GETTING BIGGER. YEAH, THEY'RE RIPPING UP THE, THE HEAPS OF CONCRETE. OH, ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE IDENTIFYING THOSE THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN GO TO PEOPLE AND SAY, RIP OUT THAT TREE BEFORE IT RIPS UP YOUR SIDEWALK, AND WE'LL HELP YOU PUT A NEW TREE IN. WELL, WHAT HOW WE OPERATE RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE THE SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE POLICY, WHICH IS SPLIT UP INTO SEVERAL DIFFERENT DISTRICTS. RIGHT. WE START WITH DISTRICT ONE NEXT YEAR, TWO, THREE AND SO ON. SO WHEN WE'RE IN THAT DISTRICT, IF THEIR TREES HEAVING, WE WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO REMOVE THE TREE. WE HELP WITH THAT. AND THEN WE GIVE THEM A TREE VOUCHER TO PLANT A NEW TREE AND ASK THEM NOT TO PLANT IT BACK IN THE PARKS JUST TO KEEP THE URBAN FOREST. BUT IF WE DO THAT, WE'RE DOING IT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR. BY THE TIME WE GET TO FOUR, THE TREE, THE TREE'S ALREADY MESSED UP THE SIDEWALK. YEAH, WE HAVE SO MANY THAT ARE BEYOND. I MEAN, THERE'S MORE THAN WE CAN HANDLE.
WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, YOU KNOW, ZACH'S RIGHT. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO. THIS IS GOING TO PUT A DENT IN THE CURVE. RIGHT. AND IT'LL SLOW THINGS DOWN IF WE DO THIS. BUT HOW DO WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN PREVENT SOME OF THIS BY IDENTIFYING TREES AND OTHER AREAS THAT YOU WEREN'T DOING THE PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE. HOW DO WE GET TO WHERE WE CAN GET RID OF THOSE TREES AND TELL PEOPLE, YOU DON'T PLANT TREES IN YOUR IN YOUR DRIVE STRIP LIKE WE'VE ENCOURAGED FOR DECADES. WE HAVE TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE AND INCREASE TAXES. WELL, I THINK I THINK WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS WE CAN CORRECT IT NOW. BUT WITH THE OLD DEVELOPMENTS, I MEAN, IT'S SCOTT, DO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE THAT IN OUR ORDINANCE? THAT'S NOT IN OUR LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE? WELL, I BELIEVE THAT TIME NIELSEN WE HAVE PARKS HAS A STANDARD FOR IT AND WE'RE NEW ONES. BUT BUT IN OUR LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE, WE DON'T HAVE A PROHIBITION OF TREES IN PARKS.
WHEN WE'RE BUILDING NEW HOUSES, WE DON'T HAVE A PROHIBITION. WE JUST DON'T REQUIRE THEM. IS THAT SO? MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE WE PROHIBIT SOME OTHER THINGS IN NEW HOUSES, IN NEW BUILDS. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN WHATEVER, WHATEVER THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ALLOWED. WOULD IT, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE FOR THE LONG TERM THING TO SAY? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T PLANT IN A IN A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD TO HELP IN THE LONG TERM IS HAVE A PROHIBITION AGAINST TREES AND PARK STRIPS. THERE ARE CERTAIN TREES THAT YEAH, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. WE'VE THE STATE HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED SOME TREES THEY DON'T WANT THAT BRINGS IN INVASIVE BEETLES. AND SO WE WORK WITH THAT. BUT I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER TREES. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE BEETLES.
YEAH. ME NEITHER. THERE'S TREES WITH I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THEY GROW ROOTS THAT WE CAN'T IDENTIFY. DON'T PLANT THIS ONE. IT'LL GET TO THE STREET TREE. YEAH. THERE IS. WHEN WE GET THE
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VOUCHERS, THERE'S A LIST OF TREES THAT ARE PARK STRIP APPROVED. OH, YOU DO WHAT MY DAD TOLD ME 20 YEARS AGO. DON'T PUT TREES IN THE PARK STRIP. WELL, SOME OF THEM. SO MY DAD TOLD ME.I GUESS HE WAS SMART. YOU GUESS THE SYCAMORES FOR ME IS ACTUALLY A BAD ONE. IT'S GOT WIDE PARKS ALREADY. SO IT IS. IT IS A PROBLEM. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN. I'M NOT GOING TO PREVENT THAT. I MEAN, IF WE CAN PREVENT. RIGHT. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE BUILDING WE'RE BUILDING SIDEWALK MILES, LANE MILES, WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT TO CALL IT. AND WE'RE INCREASING AND WE'LL EVENTUALLY TAP OUT. BUT IF WE CAN PUT A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE IN IN A REALM WHERE IT WON'T SCREW UP THE SIDEWALK AND WE CAN PREVENT THAT, THEN WE'VE GOT THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SOME OF THE CREWS WILL BE ABLE TO HELP CATCH UP. RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE ARE SECTIONS THAT WE DON'T NEED IT JUST IN THE IN THE OLDER SECTIONS OF THE CITY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME TO GET TO THAT POINT. WELL, SO NO, YOU'RE NOT WRONG. THERE'S THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO SLOW THE BLEEDING. AND THEN THERE'S THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO STOP NEW BLEEDING FROM HAPPENING. WELL, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S AND THIS THIS OBVIOUSLY ISN'T A BUDGET DISCUSSION THAT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO HAVE FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT WE CAN THAT WE CAN IN SOME OF THESE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO HELP COSTS IN THE CITY AND YOUR STREET, YOUR SIDEWALK AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS GET RID OF, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF CAMPAIGN TO GET RID OF THAT. WE PROVIDE SOME VOUCHERS THAT THEY DON'T PLANT THE TREE IN THEIR PARK STRIP. CAN, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD THAT EXTEND AND WOULD THAT EXTEND THE LIFE AND REDUCE THE WORKLOAD ON THESE AS WELL OVER THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS? IF WE DO SOMETHING TO SAY, HEY, GET RID OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE FLIPPING THE STRIP, TAKE THE DAMN TREES OUT TO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH. GENERALLY, COUNCILMAN, WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE WHEN WE GO ASK PEOPLE WHAT THE OLD CODE, HOW IT WAS WRITTEN, WE WOULD ASK PEOPLE, HEY, YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR TREE OFF. SO WE COME IN AND FIX THE SIDEWALK. NOT HAPPEN. IT WON'T HAPPEN. THE MATURE TREES ARE UPWARDS OF STARTING AT A GRAND TO EVEN GET TAKEN OUT. YEAH, SO WHEN WE MOBILIZE IN, WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO ROOT PRUNING FIRST BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE. SO YOU JUST WANT TO KILL THEM SLOWLY. WELL, WELL IT DEPENDS.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN AND I'VE BEEN HERE 28 YEARS SO THE ROOT PRUNE WILL WORK. WE ALWAYS GO TO THAT.
IF IT DOESN'T, IF IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE AN UNSAFE CONDITION IN THE FUTURE, WE TRY TO GO THAT ROUTE. BUT IF THE TREE HAS TO BE TAKEN AND WE'RE REPLACING THE SIDEWALK, IT'S QUICKER FOR US TO GET RID OF THE TREE, GRIND IT, GET IT OUT OF OUR WAY AND LET THE GUYS MOBILIZE IT. WELL IN.
THE MATURE TREES MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN THE TREES THAT ARE 5 OR 6 YEARS OLD THAT THEY ARE, BECAUSE IF THERE ARE 5 OR 6 YEARS OLD, THE PERSON MAY NOT BE TIED TO THAT AND THEY'LL BE WILLING TO RIP IT OUT AND PREVENT FUTURE PROBLEMS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE MATURE TREE IS WORTH A LOT OF MONEY AND IT DOES PROVIDE A LOT OF SHADE. SO MAYBE THERE'S A BALANCE. WE I THINK JASON DOES A GREAT JOB WHEN HE MEETS WITH THE RESIDENTS TO TALK ABOUT THE TREES. WE CALL HIM THE CLOSER BECAUSE HE ALWAYS CLOSES THE DEAL FOR US. THEY'RE GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE IN GETTING RID OF THE TREES TO FIX OUR SIDEWALK, AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TREE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PLANT MORE TREES. MOST PEOPLE THAT HAVE HOUSES NOW TOO, ARE MAYBE SECOND HOMEOWNERS, AND THEY DIDN'T PUT THE TREES IN, SO THEY'RE NOT AS ATTACHED TO IT. YEAH, YEAH, WE DO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE. THAT PART OF THE REASON THEY GET WHEN WE USED TO TRY TO GET THEM TO WORK WITH US, THEY WOULD BE REALLY HESITANT BECAUSE THAT'S THE TREE THAT THEY WERE TOLD TO PLANT THERE WHEN THEY BUILT THE HOUSE. AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT WERE REALLY MOST OF THE ONES WE DEAL WITH ARE THE ONES WE'VE DEALT WITH RECENTLY OR LIKE 38 YEAR OLD TREES. SO I THINK IT DOES HELP TO PLANT THE PARK STRIP APPROVED TREE. AND THEY'LL THEY'LL PROBABLY BE GOOD FOR A LONG TIME. AND ONE OTHER THING IS WIDER PARK STRIP SO THEY DON'T GET A LOT OF THE OLDER CITIES FOR 4 OR 5 FOOT WIDE. WHAT YOU NEED TO REALIZE TOO IS IT JUST DOESN'T AFFECT.
SO WHEN JASON GOES INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD TO OVERLAY, GENERALLY THE TREES IS NOT AFFECTING THE SIDEWALK. IT'S AFFECTING THE CURB AND GUTTER, THE GUTTER PAN AND THE ASPHALT.
SO FOR TREES, DRIP LINE ROOFS ARE OUT ON THE ROAD. YOU GOT TO TAKE THE TREE BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO CAUSE YOU ISSUES IN THE FUTURE. SO I THINK SOME UNDULATIONS IN SIDEWALKS KEEPS CHARACTER IN THE. IT DOES ONE THING THOUGH, THIS WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO HAS COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN SAID IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE ANSWER WE HAVE TO MAKE TONIGHT. THAT'S DOWN THE LINE. SO WE CAN PROBABLY STOP TALKING PROCESS AND GET BACK TO BUDGET WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO
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DO. NOT TRYING TO DERAIL IT. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S WE NEED TO STOP THE BLEEDING AND WE NEED TO HEAL THE WOUND. RIGHT. BUT RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO STOP THE BLEEDING, START HEALING THE WOUNDS IN TWO WEEKS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE NEED THIS ONE WITH THE ONE MEETING OR THE ONE WITH TWO AFTER TWO. YES, AND I'LL BE 100% WITH YOU BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE 20,000 OF THE BUDGET. THAT'S PERFECT. OKAY. SO THE QUESTION IS THAT YOU'RE ASKING US IS DO WE WANT BOTH OF THESE BUDGETS? I'M HEARING AT LEAST FROM FOUR OF US. YES. SO. WELL, LET ME LET ME PROPOSE JUST ONE MORE SCENARIO THOUGH, BEFORE BECAUSE THAT WOULD CLOSE THE CONVERSATION 1.2 MILLION INTO CIP. NOW I'M GOING TO USE THE RUBBER BAND 1.2 MILLION INTO CIP VERSUS 4% TAX RATES, KEEPS THE 1.2 MILLION INCHES CIP AND GIVES US THIS. YEAH, IF WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TRANSFER TO CIP AND DIVERTED IT TO THESE THINGS. SINCE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT 5% IDEAL CIP TRANSFER, WHAT ABOUT THAT? AND COMING IN, COMING TO LIKE A 3% TAX INCREASE, A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CIP. AND I DON'T LIKE AND YOU STILL END UP A LOT LOWER THAN THAT. RIGHT. YOU GOT TO REMEMBER IS YOU DID THAT LAST YEAR RIGHT. YOU ENDED UP WITH THIS GAP. AND YOU'RE YOU'RE AND WHILE YOU DON'T HAVE A GAP RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE EXCESS REVENUE IN ONGOING. IF YOU DO DIVERT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT GAP RIGHT BACK. LIKE IT WON'T BE AS EXTREME THOUGH, LIKE IT WOULD ONLY BE LIKE $300,000 OR LESS, RIGHT? WELL, MAYBE 200. WHAT I THINK, AND ZACH MAY BE ON TO SOMETHING HERE. THE ONE TIME, THE ONE TIME REVENUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSFERRING TO THE CIP, THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, THE MAINTENANCE WORKERS ON THE CONCRETE ARE REALLY PART OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. SO, YEAH, YOU COULD PROBABLY PULL SOME MONEY OUT OF ONE TIME. REVENUE FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. IS ANYTHING IN CIP ONGOING EXPENSES? CIP IS ALWAYS ONE TIME EXPENSES. I WOULD HESITATE ADDING A NEW CATEGORY OF CIP FOR ONGOING KELVIN. CAN I RESTATE WHAT I THINK YOU WERE SAYING? SEE IF I UNDERSTAND IT. YOU'RE SAYING FUNDING THE CONCRETE CREW IN SOME WAYS IS EQUIVALENT TO FUNDING THE CIP, BECAUSE THE CONCRETE CREW TAKES CARE OF AND MAKES MORE EFFICIENT EXPENSES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE TO COME OUT OF CIP, LIKE ROADS AND SIDEWALKS. THAT'S WHAT THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE WOULD HIRE INSTEAD OUT OF CIP. YES. THERE YOU GO. YES. IT'S TRUE. THERE YOU GO. BUT WHAT WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TRANSFER THE CIP AND YOU DON'T HAVE CIP FUNDS? I MEAN, YOU WERE THERE SIX YEARS AGO. YOU HAD CIP FUNDS. SO. AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE GROWN SO MUCH AS A COUNCIL, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPENING. BUT THERE IS A DAY WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT $866,000 AT THE TOP ANYMORE. THAT'S GOING TO BE NEXT YEAR. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT $200,000. YOUR NEXT YEAR'S ONE TIME REVENUE IS MUCH LOWER, AND THAT WILL BE YOUR TRANSFER, THE CIP. AND IF YOU FUNDED ONGOING OPERATIONS WITH IT. YEAH, I DON'T THINK HE'S SAYING FUND THEM. I THINK HE'S SAYING IT OFFSETS. RIGHT. WELL, IT KIND OF IT'S KIND OF SPLITTING. IT'S KIND OF SPLITTING THE CAMEL OR SPLITTING THE HARE HERE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT. THERE'S A ANALOGY AND I CAN'T THINK OF WHAT IT IS. I JUST 200,000 AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO FIGHT. BUT FOR THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER IT'S BUT BUT I DON'T $4, $2. WE CAN'T FUND ONGOING. EXPENSES WITH ONE TIME REVENUE. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THE CONCRETE CREW IS AN ONGOING EXPENSE. BUT IF WE'RE HIRING.REPEATEDLY OUT OF THIS ONE TIME MONEY, IT'S AN ONGOING EXPENSE. AN ONGOING EXPENSE. IT IT'S TRUE IN SOME WAYS, EXCEPT THAT YOU CAN STOP HIRING CONTRACTOR. YEAH. AND IT'S HARD TO STOP PAYING PEOPLE. IT'D BE HARD TO STOP PAYING PEOPLE. YEAH. ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT AS I SIT AND LISTEN IS, IS THAT YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH FORWARD FUNDING IT FROM WHAT YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO GO TO I CAN'T IMAGINE SALES TAX GOING UNDER WHAT OUR FLAT HAS BEEN FOR FOUR YEARS IN A ROW, BUT MAYBE IT WILL. I'M GOING TO ASK THE RIDICULOUS QUESTION HERE. THE
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AREAS THAT WE HAVE ANNEXED THAT WE WON'T SEE SAY IT PROPERTY TAX FOR A YEAR ON. RIGHT. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE PROPERTY TAX ABOUT THE ABOUT. SO FOLLOW ME THROUGH WITH THIS. IF WE SAY YOU'RE FORWARD FUNDING FOR A YEAR, THAT'S. AND EVEN IF WE TOOK THIS MONEY OUT OF EVEN RESERVES FOR A YEAR THAT WE'RE ONLY FUNDING THE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE AXION, WHICH IS REALLY JUST THE 2% PROPERTY TAX, REALLY ABOUT TWO AND A HALF IF WE TOOK THAT, FUNDED THAT, KNOWING THAT WE FORWARD FUNDED IT AND THAT AS THAT CAME AS THAT PROPERTY TAX COMES IN, THEN WE HAVE BROKEN EVEN WITH THE CREW AND NOT RAISE TAXES FOR IT. AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT WOULD WORK. YES, I LIKE THAT. YEAH. THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S WHERE I WAS KIND OF GOING. I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAXES. YEAH, I ALREADY CALCULATED IT. IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER. THOSE PROPERTY TAXES ALSO. I KNOW THEY HAVE THEY NEED CONCRETE. THEY NEED CONCRETE PEOPLE A POLICE OFFICER, IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING THAT'S GROSS. BUT IT IS NEW GROWTH BUT IT IS GROWTH. BUT IF BUT WE KNOW WHAT THAT NEW GROWTH IS GOING TO BE. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A FIXED AMOUNT BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE. IF WE SAID IF WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO USE THEIR PROPERTY. NOW I'M TALKING OVERALL, RIGHT. IN ESSENCE, YOU'RE SAYING THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO ONE TIME FUND IT BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S A GUARANTEE WE'RE GETTING ANOTHER $350,000 FROM WHICH WOULD EITHER OFFSET THE OFFICER. I MEAN, IF WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO GET $350,000, THAT OFFSETS OFFICERS TOO, RIGHT? SO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IF WE SAY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE JUST WE'RE TAKING MONEY OUT OF ONE TIME REVENUE, KNOWING THAT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ACTUALLY, IN A WAY WE'RE FLOATING THE BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE THE, THE REVENUE STREAM WORKS. WE'RE JUST TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY OUT OF THE ONE TIME, THE RESERVE MONEY TO FUND THIS PROPERTY TAX BOND. YEAH, YEAH. IT'S REALLY IT'S REALLY WE'RE JUST FLOATING FUNDING. SO YOU DO A 2% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, LET IT STAND AS IS AND FUND ALL OF THESE. AND IN ESSENCE, YES, REDUCE THE TRANSFER TO THE CIP BY THE DIFFERENTIAL. YEAH. PULL IT OUT OR PULL IT OVER OR PULL IT OUT OF RESERVE SO THAT WE DON'T SCREW CIP. I'D MEET YOU HALFWAY.I'D MEET YOU HALFWAY ON THAT. I THINK WE GO WITH THE 3%, THE 3% INCREASE, AND WE TAKE HALF OF IT EXTRA OUT OF THE OTHER BUCKETS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF DOING IT ALL JUST BECAUSE IT'S STILL AN ONGOING EXPENSE. I STILL WANT TO HAVE SOME OF THAT ONGOING FUNDING GUARANTEED. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S GUARANTEED, BUT THAT MAKES SENSE. YES IT DOES. COUNCIL, THIS IS COMPLETELY YOUR DECISION. SO JUST THAT ADDS ONE ANOTHER ON AVERAGE $4 PER PERSON PER HOUSEHOLD. YEAH. AND TO THE SO INSTEAD OF GOING DOWN $2 GOING DOWN TWO TO GO UP TWO. UP TWO. BUT DOWN 15. YEAH. THE OTHER 15 IS STILL COMING OFF.
BUT I DON'T LIKE TO USE THAT FOR THE REASON YOU SAID. I DON'T WANT TO USE THAT 15 EITHER UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER BOND. WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND DO SOME AWESOME STUFF WITH AND THAT COULD COME UP RIGHT. YOU COULD HAVE A BIG NEED THAT YOU WANT SOMEDAY THAT YOU WANT TO USE THAT. 15 WELL, I'VE GOT A LIST OF BIG ONES THAT I'D LIKE TO SHOW ON. COUNCIL. 3%. IS THAT WHAT IS ON THE TABLE? COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB DO YOU WANT? IS THAT WHAT ADDS UP? DO YOU KNOW? WELL, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I LIKE MEETING IN THE MIDDLE TO GO THREE AND TAKE SOME OF THE MONEY FROM SOME OF THE ONE TIME MONEY TO FUND SOME OF THE ONGOING KNOWING THAT BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFERENT NEXT YEAR WITH THE ANNEXATION, IT WOULD BE A ONE TIME EXPENSE WHERE THE MONEY COMES. I JUST WANT ALL THAT ON THERE. YES. SO CAN WE DO THE THREE THEN MEET IN THE MIDDLE? IF WE CAN MAKE IT WORK, WE HAVE FOUR FOR THAT. I PERSONALLY LIKE THREE. THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING TO BE GOING. I REMEMBER IT'S THE 2% PROPOSED. SO WE'RE ADDING 1%. YES. CORRECT. YES.
YES. SO IS THAT I GOT FOUR SO FAR. NO YOU GOT YOU GOT SIX. SIX. SORRY. YOU HAVE FOUR. I'M STILL NOT SURE I WANT TO INCREASE TAXES THAT MUCH, BUT OKAY I'M GOING TO GO WITH I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE TENTATIVE BUDGET THAT WE PROPOSED TO YOU ON JUNE 24TH. HERE ARE THE THINGS I'VE HEARD. I'M GOING TO ADD THESE INTO ONGOING EXPENSE. I'M GOING TO TAKE OUT THE 30,000
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OUT OF ONGOING AND MOVE IT TO ONE TIME, AND THEN THE REST OF IT, I'M GOING TO REDUCE THE TRANSFER TO THE CIP. THE CIP TRANSFER WILL BE ABOUT IN MY HEAD. I'M ESTIMATING ABOUT 800 $800,000 TRANSFER TO THE CIP AS A BUDGET NUMBER, ANY NUMBER, ANY REVENUE IN EXCESS IS COLLECTED.THEN GOES TO THE CIP. ANY SAVINGS DEPARTMENTAL THEN GOES TO CIP. SO I THINK THAT THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE IN EXCESS OF 800,000. BUT WHAT WE WILL BUDGET IS ABOUT 800,000 GUINEAS. WOULD IT BE BETTER INSTEAD OF TAKING IT OUT OF CIP JUST TO TAKE IT OUT OF RESERVES? WE COULD YOU CAN SET THE TRANSFER TO CIP. YOU CAN SAY TO ME, DENISE, I WANT THE TRANSFER TO BE $1 MILLION. I WANT IT TO BE $5 MILLION IN RESERVES. WHAT, 24 MILLION RIGHT NOW? YEAH. WELL, WHAT WHAT CAN YOU SPEND IN CIP IN A YEAR? IF WE DON'T? WE DEFINITELY HAVE A STRONG FIVE YEAR PLAN. IT'S NOT NEEDING AN INFLUX OF MONEY. AND WHAT I'M SAYING I MEAN, I KNOW ROADS COULD USE UP $5 MILLION IN A YEAR AND THEY'D STILL BE DRY. YOU KNOW, THAT'D BE A DROP IN A VERY DRY DESERT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SAFE FOR CIP. I THINK CIP IS OKAY. THAT WOULD BE MY CALL. OKAY, LET'S DO THAT. I LIKE THE 3% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, ONGOING EXPENSE, 30,000 TO 1 TIME FUNDING IT OUT.
ALSO, CAN I JUST CLARIFY ONE LAST THING INTO WHAT I HEARD EARLIER TOO? IS THE MAJORITY OF YOU SUPPORT 18,000 IN FOR THAT SOFTWARE FOR GOOD LANDLORD? YES AS WELL. YEAH. THAT WASN'T ON THE THAT NOT ON THERE FOR ONGOING GOOD ORDER. IT WAS NOT ON THE SHORT TERM THE SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SHORT TERM RENTAL. YEAH. ALL RIGHT COUNCIL GOOD WORK. CAN YOU STICK WITH ME FOR ANOTHER TEN MINUTES. WE CAN DO TWO MORE FUNDS AND THEN WE WON'T HAVE AS MUCH TO DO LATER. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S 18,000 RIGHT THERE FOR LICENSE PLATE READER, CHRISTMAS LIGHTS AND OTHER. LET'S SEE WHAT IS IN THE PARTY'S. DO I NEED TO CHANGE IT? WE'RE GOOD. NO, YOU'VE GOT YOUR. OKAY. AND THE ONE TIME WE'RE STICKING. ALL RIGHT. FLEE MANAGEMENT. IF WE CAN GO OVER FLEET AND HIGHLANDS, I HAVE THOSE READY FOR YOU. SO WE'LL JUST GO OVER THESE REALLY QUICKLY. THIS ONE. WHAT IS IT? HA HA. I DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT.
WHAT'S DRIVING THIS ONE? IT'S DRIVING YOU CRAZY. DRIVING THIS ONE. THIS IS BRIAN AND JASON'S FUND MANAGEMENT. MANAGEMENT? SO THE FIRST THING IS THE VEHICLE COST RECOVERY. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH IS COMING OUT OF THE DIFFERENT FUNDS TO FUND THE VEHICLES. AND IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH A WEIGHTED MEASURE AND A VEHICLE RECOVERY COST. SO THAT'S THE FIRST LINE. EXCUSE ME. THE NEXT LINE IS SERVICE CHARGES. THAT IS INTENDED TO JUST FUND THE OPERATIONS OF FLEET. SO THE MECHANICS THE FUEL ETC. AND THEN OTHER REVENUE IS TYPICALLY INTEREST INCOME OR SALES OF VEHICLES OR THAT KIND OF THING THAT REPLENISH THE FUND. THEN OPERATIONS IS THE MECHANICS AND ALL OF WHAT THEY NEED. THE REPLACEMENT PLAN ARE THE VEHICLE PURCHASES, WHICH IS PROPOSED AT $4.7 MILLION NEXT YEAR. LEASED EQUIPMENT IS ALL OF THE LEASES FOR BACKHOE, ALL THE CATERPILLAR LEASES, ALL THE WHEELER, YOU NAME IT. RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE BACKHOES AND ALL THE YELLOW STILL ALL THE YELLOW STUFF OUT THERE. AND THEN NEW VEHICLES AND 1.4 MILLION IS WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS BEING LIKE. WE NEED THE VAN FOR THE CUSTODIAL AND THE POLICE CARS AND THE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. RIGHT. SO THAT'S A ONE TIME THAT'S A ONE TIME EXPENSE. YES. WELL, IT'S A ONE TIME PLUS ONGOING COST, CORRECT? YES. THE BUDGET REVENUE TO EXPENDITURES IS IN EXCESS BY $140,000. SO WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE. THEY'RE BUILDING UP RESERVES SLIGHTLY. COUNCIL, BEFORE WHEN I MADE THE SLIDE UP IT WAS LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO. SO WE TALKED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL RESERVES TO REPLACE A FIRE TRUCK, WHICH WE WILL DO IN A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR 2025. SO I ANTICIPATE OUR RESERVES TO BE ABOUT 6 TO $800,000 HIGHER, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO RESERVE THEM FOR THE FIRE TRUCK REPLACEMENT. OKAY. HOLD ON. SO THE 6.8 ON THE VEHICLE COST RECOVERY, IT'S JUMPING BY 1.5. IS THAT WE REALLY BUYING THAT MANY VEHICLES. AND THE COST OF THE VEHICLES IS GOING UP. REMEMBER THAT NEW VEHICLE PURCHASE RIGHT THERE 1.4. THAT'S THAT PART OF THAT JUMP OF 1.4 THAT YOU SEE ON THAT TOP LINE.
RIGHT? I NEED THE INFLUX. A LOT OF IT IS GREG OVER THERE, WHICH YOU HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET.
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GREG HAS A LARGE HYDRO EXCAVATOR THAT IS APPROVED IN THE BUDGET. AND I WANT TO SAY 625,000, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT. YEAH. SO ABOUT A MILLION OF OUR VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT ARE RELATED TO THE WATER FUND. SO YOU'RE SEEING THE INCOME ON THE TOP LINE BECAUSE WE NEED THE COST RECOVERY FOR THE ORIGINAL PURCHASE. AND THEN YOU'RE SEEING THE PURCHASE ON THAT BOTTOM LINE. OKAY. GOOD. JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY. IT SEEMS LIKE A SUBSTANTIAL JUMP. I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST 30%. YES. THAT IS A BIG JUMP. AND THAT'S THE TWO BIG PIECES OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE WATER FUND. IT'S REMEMBER WE JUST REVIEWED THE GENERAL FUND.IT WAS 425,000 FOR THE GENERAL FUND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. RESERVES HERE ARE IS KIND OF HISTORICAL.
YOU'LL SEE HERE IN THE YELLOW ON THE YELLOW SIDE. I WAS JUST SAYING THOSE RESERVES ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE LOW, BUT WE NEED RESERVES 1.5 OF THAT 2.9 RIGHT NOW IS FOR THE TILLER TRUCK TO FILL THAT POT A LITTLE MORE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF TRUCK IT IS, WHETHER IT'S A LADDER TRUCK OR A TILLER TRUCK. THAT ARGUMENT CAN BE HAD LATER, BUT I NEED MORE MONEY EITHER WAY. SO. SO WE'LL BE FILLING THAT BUCKET UP A LITTLE MORE.
AND I'D ASKED YOU THE BOTTOM QUESTION BEFORE. SO RESERVES FOR VEHICLE REPLACEMENT AFTER OUR BUDGET WILL BE ABOUT $1.4 MILLION. AND THAT WON'T CHANGE. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET. SO YOU CAN SEE OPERATIONS. THAT'S ALL OF THE PERSONNEL AND PARTS AND EQUIPMENT THAT KIND OF THING. THE FUEL LINE IS ABOUT 900,000 REPAIRS. THAT WOULD BE FOR DAMAGED EQUIPMENT, LIKE IF WE'RE IN AN ACCIDENT OR DAMAGE REPAIR, THAT'S 100,000. AND THEN THE LEASE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT IS 50,000 NEW VEHICLES. THIS IS THE LIST OF THAT $1.4 MILLION. SO I GUESS HERE'S WHERE WE SHOW GREG'S CARDS OF HYDRO EXCAVATOR. SO THE FIRST TWO ARE THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN SOME AT THE BOTTOM. THIS NUMBER IS GOING TO GROW. NOW THAT WE ADDED TWO OFFICERS AND THE CONCRETE CREW. SO THAT'S ANOTHER $300,000 THAT'S GOING TO COME OVER. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE 1.7 MILLION BECAUSE WE NEED TO BUY THE VAN TWO MORE POLICE CARS AND NOT THE VAN. SORRY THAT'S ALREADY IN HERE. TWO MORE POLICE CARS AND THE BACKHOE AND THE TRUCK. THE TRUCK. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE HYDRO EXCAVATOR. WHEN I DID THAT, RIGHT ALONG WITH YOU GUYS, YOU SAID ONCE YOU HAVE IT, THAT THING IS ALREADY GOING TO BE BUSY AND IN USE. LIKE CONSTANTLY. LIKE YOU ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH WORK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE I HAVE. YEAH, I HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH. AND RIGHT NOW THE HYDRO EXCAVATOR IS BROKEN, THE ONE THAT WE HAVE. SO WE'RE RENTING IT. THE COST FOR THE RENTAL IS $16,000 A MONTH. WELL, MY QUESTION IS IF HAVING TWO OF THESE. WELL, ONCE THAT'S FIXED AND HAVING TWO OF THEM GOING BASICALLY FULL TIME, THEY WILL GO FULL TIME. YEAH. YOU'RE IN MY HEAD. I'M THINKING DOWN THE ROAD YOU'RE GOING TO NEED ANOTHER ONE. RIGHT. WELL, I'M JUST LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE GROWTH. IF YOU'RE THAT BUSY WITH THOSE TWO. THAT I'M JUST LIKE IN MY HEAD, I'M LIKE DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH, WELL WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.
BUT THAT THAT MACHINE IS SO VALUABLE TO US. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD SOME. THERE WAS A PIPE BREAKS IN SALT LAKE VALLEY TODAY, AND THEY'RE CLOSING THE ROAD FOR LIKE 12 HOURS. THE REASON WHY WE DON'T DO THAT HERE IS BECAUSE I HAVE A HYDRO EXCAVATOR. SO I CAN DO THINGS WITHOUT BLUE STATE. I CAN FIX BREAKS REALLY QUICKLY BECAUSE YOU BRING THAT OUT THERE AND IT CAN DO THAT. AND WITHOUT THAT, WITHOUT THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, I CAN'T DO STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH WHAT WE GOT NOW BESIDES THE FACT THAT YOU NEED ANOTHER ONE? SO THE ONE THAT WE HAVE NOW, IT IT BROKE. SO WE'VE HAD IT FOR FOUR YEARS. IF YOU'D STOP LETTING BRIAN DRIVE, THEY DON'T LET ME IN. AND JUST SO AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REGULAR A REGULAR BACK TRUCK AND A HYDRO EXCAVATOR. THE REGULAR BACK TRUCKS SUCK LIQUIDS AND A LITTLE BIT OF SOLIDS LIKE MUD AND STUFF LIKE THAT. HYDRO SUCKS ROCKS. SO TYPICALLY WHEN THEY SHOW UP AT AN EMERGENCY SITE, WE'RE STUCK SUCKING IN ROCKS ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO INCHES WIDE TO FOUR INCHES TO SOMETIMES SIX INCHES WIDE. IT'S BUILT FOR THAT. SO THAT IS WHY ONCE IN A WHILE IT BREAKS AND WE USE OUR HYDRO EXCAVATOR EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR. EIGHT OUT. WELL, EVERY DAY THAT WE'RE HERE IN BUSINESS, EIGHT HOURS A DAY. SO IT IS ALWAYS IN USE RIGHT NOW. AND THIS ONE WILL ALSO GO TO ANOTHER GROUP. I'M REALLY SUPPOSED TO BRING LEAD AND COPPER, SO THEY'LL ALSO HELP OUT WITH COPPER EXPLORATION. AND I HAVE TO GET DONE IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS. SO IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE AND I HOPE THAT WHEN WE GET TO IT, WE'LL ALSO SHOW IT'S A ONE TIME PURCHASE.
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AND I JUST WANT TO SAY LIKE DOWN THE ROAD, LIKE WHAT WE HAVE IS FOUR YEARS OLD, A NEW ONE. WELL THAT GOES IN THE FLEET FUND, RIGHT. BUT THIS IS THE ONE TIME PURCHASE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY. AND I'M JUST SAYING THIS ONE'S ALREADY FOUR YEARS OLD. SHE'S TRYING TO GET. YEAH. SHE'S TRYING TO LIKE, GET A LONG TERM IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT. ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT A NEW 1 IN 2 YEARS, THREE YEARS? FOUR YEARS? IN THEORY, WE SHOULD COST RECOVERY ENOUGH ON. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET. I'M TRYING TO LIKE. SO. DENISE. I'M GOING TO ASK I'M GOING TO ASK THE DUMB I'M GOING TO ASK THE DUMB QUESTION ON GREG'S TRUCK. YEAH. IF THE IF THE CURRENT HYDRO EXCAVATOR IS FOUR YEARS OLD, THERE SHOULD BE THERE SHOULD BE FOUR YEARS WORTH OF MONEY FOR COST RECOVERY. OFFSET THAT COST.AND THEN AND THEN THE RECOVERY KEEPS GOING FOR THAT MUCH. RIGHT. WE ONLY DO A COST RECOVERY UNTIL IT'S FULLY DEPRECIATED. SO DEPENDING ON THE HOURS LET'S SAY AT LEAST RIGHT IT'S A FIVE YEAR COST RECOVERY. AND THEN AFTER THAT FIFTH YEAR IF THEY KEEP USING IT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR ANYMORE. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH, WE HAVE MONEY. IF THE IF THE FLEET FUND HAS HAS COST RECOVERY ON HIS TRUCK WE SHOULD BE USING, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT NOW TO HELP BUY THE TRUCK OFF AND THEN KEEP PAYING INTO IT OR SOMETHING. IT'S JUST I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED ONE. YEAH. THAT'LL BE WE STILL NEED TO HAVE THE. THIS ISN'T AN ADDITIONAL THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL ONE. AND I KNOW WE HAVE REPLACEMENT. LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE GET TO THE WATER FUND STUFF YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, I'M SURE WE HAD A LOT OF EXTRA. WELL, NOT A LOT, BUT EXTRA REVENUE AND SALES. AND WE'D LIKE I'D LIKE TO PUT IT INTO THIS BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR BANG FOR THE BUCK FOR BUYING THIS HYDRO EXCAVATOR. WELL, YEAH.
THERE'S NO QUESTION WE'RE NOT BUYING IT. I JUST AM LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD, I ACTUALLY HAVE A CREW THAT CAN DO THIS WITHOUT EXTRA PEOPLE. IF I GOT, SAY, ANOTHER ONE, I'D HAVE TO HAVE. JUST LIKE BRIAN. I HAD TO HAVE TO HAVE CREWS TO DO IT. SO FOR RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHAT I CAN HANDLE. AND BUT IT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO PUT IN THE MINDS TO SAY, HEY, TWO YEARS WE TALK ABOUT THIS. YES, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TWO YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT WAS IN OUR HEADS. WE WANTED TO LIKE. GET. SHE DID SAY YES, ABSOLUTELY. ADD X AMOUNT OF HOMES THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED ANOTHER ONE, ANOTHER TRUCK. WE'LL NEED THREE HONESTLY TO HELP US BUDGET ALONG THE WAY. WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I WISH I HAD THE NUMBER OF HOMES, BUT YOU'RE THINKING ALONG THE RIGHT. I DO 10,000 WHEN THEY'LL BE BUILT. I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO ON RECORD, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, WHEN WE NEED THE MANPOWER AND WE NEED THE EXTRA TRUCK, WE AREN'T JUST PLAYING CATCH UP, BUT WE'RE FORWARD THINKING. OKAY? AND MAYBE, MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ADD A LINE THAT IS FOR VEHICLE, NOT REPLACEMENT, BUT NEW VEHICLE LINE THAT WE JUST ADD IN AND YOU JUST PUT INTO RESERVES. IT'S KIND OF LIKE WITH THE FIRE HAS DONE RIGHT FOR ENGINES. LIKE YOU SAID, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED THIS. I LIKE THAT WE'RE ADDING I LIKE THAT, THAT THAT'S SMART. YOU COULD DO THAT. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. WELL WE'RE GETTING THERE. TEAMWORK.
SORRY. GIVE ME A SECOND. GOT IT. THE OTHER BIG ITEM ON THIS IS ALSO THE MASTIC MACHINE, WHICH I THINK ALL OF YOU HEARD ABOUT FOR ROAD REPAIR. THAT'S 106,700. AND THAT'S OUT OF CLASS C ROADS.
THAT COMES INTO THE FLEET FUND, AND THEN WE PURCHASE IT. THE FLEET FUND OWNS IT, MAINTAINS IT, AND THEN CLASS C ROAD STARTS CONTRIBUTING OVER ITS USEFUL LIFE FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE MACHINE GOING FORWARD. THEN THE TWO VEHICLES THAT WERE DISCUSSED THAT WERE IN THE GENERAL FUND BUT ARE ALLOCATED OUT TO UTILITIES ARE THE TRUCK FOR THE PUBLIC UTILITIES PROGRAM MANAGER, WHICH IS THE WATER CONSERVATION MANAGER IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT. AND THEN THE PUBLIC UTILITIES INSPECTOR, WHICH WE HIRED LAST YEAR BUT DIDN'T GIVE THEM A VEHICLE. SO RIGHT NOW GREG'S TEAM HAS TWO POOL VEHICLES THAT ARE SHARED BETWEEN FIVE EMPLOYEES. WE'RE ADDING A SIXTH EMPLOYEE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE TWO VEHICLES ARE SHARED FROM. SO HE'S ASKING FOR THE TWO EMPLOYEES THAT ARE OUT ALL THE TIME TO GET VEHICLES THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THEM, AND THEN USE THE TWO POOL VEHICLES TO SUPPORT HIS ENGINEERING TEAM, WHICH ARE OUT IN THE FIELD. NOT AS MUCH. RIGHT? OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE I'M REPRESENTING YOU. WELL, WHAT IS IT? E-BIKES.
TWO E-BIKES. YEAH. WE'LL HAVE THE ENGINEERS ON THIS. THOSE LITTLE SCOOTERS. SO IT WOULD BE
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TWO VEHICLES SHARED BETWEEN FOUR ENGINEERS. AND THEN ALL THE OPERATIONS PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN VEHICLES. SO CAN I WHEREVER I'M SITTING HERE STARING AT THE NEW VEHICLES.YOU'RE FINE. PARKING THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT. I'M GOING TO ASK THE. I'M GOING TO ASK THE CRAZY QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT SALT LAKE CITY DOES. I PUT THEM IN A GOLF CART AND I WAS TOLD I NEEDED A REAL CAR. NO, I PUT THEM IN A FOUR WHEELER OR SOMETHING THAT WAS LIKE THEY COULD GET THE SNOW TO WHAT I'M. WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, DO THEY NEED TO BE IN A, LIKE A POSTAL SERVICE TRUCK SO THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING OUT INTO TRAFFIC? THAT I WAS EXPECTING THAT THAT, BUT SO THEY CAN PULL UP AND THEY SO SAFETY ISSUES AND STUFF. I THINK YOU WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION BACK THERE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT MY ESTIMATION IS, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE SAME TYPES OF PROPERTIES LIKE DOWNTOWN SALT LAKE CITY, AND THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO BENEFIT FROM HAVING A VEHICLE WHERE THEY CAN GET AROUND IN THE SNOW INTO THE COMMUNITIES, THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY FOCUS ON OUR PARKING PROBLEMS AND OUR ON OUR PARKING LOTS. YOU DON'T HAVE HANDICAPPED PARKING METERS. WE DON'T HAVE PARKING METERS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE HANGING A BUNCH OF TICKETS IN ONE AREA. THEY'RE GOING TO BE MOVING AROUND A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO AGAIN, WE'VE NEVER RAN A JUST STRICTLY PARKING ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM. BUT OUR CSOS DO DRIVE VEHICLES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER VEHICLE WE GET THEM MAXIMIZES SAFETY. IF THEY'RE GOING, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING IN AND OUT OF VEHICLES TO ENFORCE PARKING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS OPENING UP INTO THE LANE OF TRAFFIC. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THE OTHER COMPONENT, BESIDES SAFETY, WHICH IS CERTAINLY A PRIME EXCUSE ME, A PRIME OBJECTIVE IS UTILITY, THE VEHICLE, BECAUSE THEY ALSO DO THINGS LIKE MOVE OBJECTS OUT OF THE ROADWAY WHEN. THEY DON'T HAVE POLICE LIGHTS, YELLOW LIGHTS. SO THEY'LL MOVE OBJECTS OUT OF THE ROADWAY. I'LL BARRICADES FROM TIME TO TIME, STREET SIGNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT WON'T BE A PRIMARY PURPOSE. BUT THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE DO WITH PARKING. AND SO IT'S HELPFUL. THAT WOULD BE IT'S NOT ONLY SAFE BUT HAS THE UTILITY FOR WHEN THEY HAVE THOSE DUTIES. JAPANESE MARKET TOYOTA TACOMA. IT'S GOT THE NEVER MIND.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A TARIFF ON THAT ONE WAS BUILT IN SOUTH CAROLINA OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE THIS IS THE LIST OF NEW VEHICLES IMPORTED TO THE WATER FUND. ALSO, I REMEMBER I TOLD YOU THERE'S ABOUT $1 MILLION IN WATER FUND EQUIPMENT. THERE'S ALSO A NEW DUMP TRUCK FOR THE WATER FUND AS WELL. OH IT'S OKAY THOUGH BECAUSE THEY SLAP A SNOW PLOW ON THE FRONT OF THE WINTERTIME. THAT'S TRUE. WE DO ADD WE DO ADD A PLOW TO THEM. ALL RIGHT. THE LEAST EQUIPMENT.
WE HAVE 29 LEASES IN THE FLEET FUND. THIS IS ALL THE YELLOW EQUIPMENT THAT'S OUT THERE. THE MOTORCYCLES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF CAPITAL LEASES PREVIOUS TO ME COMING HERE, THE CITY WAS PROVIDING CAPITAL LEASES FOR ALL OF THE LARGER VEHICLES. I PREFER MORE OF A CASH METHOD. SO WE SAVE ON INTEREST MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. SO THESE ARE OUTSTANDING. AND THEY WILL I BELIEVE THEY'RE PAID OFF IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. SO THAT WILL GO DOWN EVENTUALLY. BUT THERE ARE 29 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE LEASE ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE DID ASK OUR FLEET MANAGER ORIGINALLY TO EVALUATE WHETHER IT WAS MORE COST EFFICIENT FOR US TO PURCHASE OR LEASE, AND HE HAS DONE THAT COST ANALYSIS, AND HE DID IT REALLY WELL, AND IT DEFINITELY SUPPORTED LEASING THIS KIND OF EQUIPMENT. IT BREAKS DOWN OFTEN, IT GETS BROKEN OR WHATEVER, AND WE JUST TURN IT BACK IN AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE NEED A NEW ONE. AND THEY GIVE US A NEW ONE. SO IT'S MUCH MORE COST EFFICIENT FOR BACKHOES AND LARGER YELLOW PIECES OF EQUIPMENT LIKE THAT.
SO THE THREE I'M GOING TO ASK THE 350 THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING FOR THE NEW CONCRETE CREW. CAN IT HAVE A BLADE ON IT AND BE USED FOR SNOW PLOWING IN THE WINTER? YEAH. WHENEVER WE BUY A TRUCK IN STREETS, IT'S GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH STREETS. WE'LL HAVE A PLOW. AND MOST, MOST OF THE TIME A SALTER. THAT'LL HELP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. ALL THE STAFF ON THE CONCRETE CREW WILL PLOW SNOW BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO CONCRETE, RIGHT. SO THAT'S ABOUT. WHAT SNOW WE DO. CONCRETE. WE HAVE SNOW. NO, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S SNOW UP THERE. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FLEET FUND OR CONCERNS? IT WILL GROW SLIGHTLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE STUFF WE'VE ADDED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HIGHLANDS, THIS IS A QUARRY AREA. SO THIS IS THE HIGHLANDS SPECIAL DISTRICT. HERE'S A MAP OF THE DISTRICT. IT'S GOT VERY ODD BOUNDARIES.
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IT'S ALL OF THE BLUE SPACE, THE RESIDENTIAL FEE BEING PROPOSED. THIS THIS YEAR IS $16 A MONTH.COMMERCIAL 75 AND UNDEVELOPED IS 49. YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S KIND OF DISTRIBUTED BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO WHAT DOES THE 16 COMPARE WITH FROM LAST YEAR? I THINK IT'S THE SAME $18.18 OR IS IT 16? I'M FEELING WE CHANGED THE FEE. DENISE, IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK ON PAGE 180. YEAH. YOU'RE VIEWS GO. DAMN. WHY DID THEY GO DOWN? BECAUSE WHEN I GOT THE AIR LAST YEAR, THEY PROPOSED NEW GROWTH IN IT. AND THAT NEW GROWTH NEVER OCCURRED. YEAH, YEAH. AND SO I ADOPTED A NEW BEST PRACTICE FOR THOSE THAT AREA TO SAY WE'RE ONLY GOING TO COUNT ON THE ACTUAL AIR USE AS OF MARCH OF THAT YEAR, NO GROWTH. MAYBE BRIAN OR SCOTT KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT WHY DID WE APPROVE A SPECIAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT HERE? OH MAN, I WISH I KNEW THAT ANSWER. IT WAS PART OF THE NDA BACK IN THE DAY. AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, PART OF THE DENSITY, IT WAS IT WAS ACTUALLY QUITE A DEBATE AROUND IT BECAUSE THEY WERE PROPOSING A LOT OF AMENITIES IN THIS AREA TO GET THEIR INCREASED DENSITY IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS WAS UNDER THE OLD ZONING. AND SO IF THEY, YOU KNOW, EVERY PARK BENCH BOTTOM, ANOTHER 0.01 UNITS PER ACRE, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SO THEY PUT IN AND THE TRAILS AND THE OPEN SPACE IN THERE IS THE BEST IN THE CITY. IT REALLY IS. BUT THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT. SO THEY SAID, THIS IS A FAIR TO CHARGE THE WHOLE CITY FOR THIS. OR IS IT FAIR TO JUST CHARGE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE? IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE OG PID, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE. IT'S BASICALLY. WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO IT.
YEAH, YEAH. THE HIGHLAND SPECIAL DISTRICT IS REALLY JUST A MASSIVE HOA. YES. IT IS THE SAME AS FAIRWAY RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S AN HOA. SAME THING. WE HAVE TO ADMINISTER BOTH BOTH BOTH WERE STRUCTURED THAT WAY THROUGH MDA'S. DENSITY. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE HIGHLANDS DISTRICT. THIS THIS FORMULA IN THIS AGREEMENT IS CRAZY AND HARD FOR US TO ALL JUMP THROUGH. BUT ASSESSMENTS MAKE UP 80% OF THE REVENUE IN THE DISTRICT. AND THE CITY HAS TO CONTRIBUTE 20% BECAUSE ALL OF CITY RESIDENTS. HERE'S WHAT I READ THE AGREEMENT. ALL CITY RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO THE AMENITIES. THEY'RE NOT WALLED OFF OR ONLY AVAILABLE TO, SO THE CITY CONTRIBUTES 20%. THERE'S THERE COULD BE SOME ARGUMENT THAT THE 20% IS AN IN-KIND CONTRIBUTION FOR ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE DISTRICT. HOWEVER, WE'VE TAKEN IT AS A LITERAL, AND WE TRANSFER MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE DISTRICT IN ORDER TO ASSIST WITH MAINTENANCE OF THE DISTRICT. SO OF THE ASSESSMENTS, 92% OF THE REVENUE IS RESIDENTIAL. SO AGAIN, I HAVE TO LIKE CALCULATE THAT ANNUAL OR THAT MONTHLY FEE BASED ON THAT COMMERCIAL IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE UP 5% OF THE REVENUE, AND UNDEVELOPED LAND IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE UP 3% OF THE REVENUE. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT WE DO WHEN THERE'S NO UNDEVELOPED LAND, BUT WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT WHEN WE GET THERE. MORE COMMERCIAL? YEAH, EXCEPT THE AGREEMENTS SPECIFICALLY SAYS, OH, THAT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE IS THE CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. MONEY COMES FROM RESIDENTIAL. A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF MONEY COMES FROM COMMERCIAL. IT SOUNDS LIKE JOSH NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO THEN LEGALLY TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT LOOKING INTO IT. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. AN ADDENDUM, AS THEY SAY. ARE WE WORRIED THAT THE ENDING RESERVES IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER? WELL, AND THIS ONE SHOULD SELF-SUSTAIN ITSELF ANNUALLY, RIGHT? WE SHOULD JUST NOT EVEN BE KEEPING RESERVES. THERE ISN'T SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE AS A REPLACEMENT OVERALL FOR THAT DISTRICT.
OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE MOST OF IT ANYWAY, QUITE CANDIDLY. SO I BELIEVE THESE RESERVES ARE ARE OKAY FOR WHAT SERVICES WE HAVE THERE. BUT YOU'D HAVE TO REPLACE SPRINKLING SYSTEMS AND LANDSCAPING IN THOSE AREAS, RIGHT? YEAH. NOW SOME OF THAT IS INCLUDED. SOME OF THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE EXPENDITURES. I DISAGREE WITH DENISE A LITTLE BIT. I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A RESERVE IN THERE FOR LIKE A FULL ON PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT FRANKLY, THE RESERVES HAVE DROPPED BECAUSE WE'VE DONE A FEW OF THOSE BIGGER PROJECTS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO WE'RE DOING OKAY. THOSE PLAYGROUNDS THAT ARE IN THERE ARE CONSIDERED CITY PARKS, THOUGH, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT COULD COME OUT OF THE PARKS. FUND. YES THEY COULD. WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE EQUITY BETWEEN THE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND THE DISTRICT. AND SO WE'RE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
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OKAY. WALKED ON THERE LAST NIGHT. THAT'S IT. SO THIS IS THE HIGHLAND SPECIAL DISTRICT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. NOPE I DIDN'T PAY THAT. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE ALL THAT I HAVE PREPARED. THE REST OF IT IS GOING TO BE THE UTILITY FUNDS AND RISK MANAGEMENT, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'VE COVERED. THAT WE WILL DO IN JULY. SO THE TENTATIVE BUDGET WILL STAND WITH THE UTILITY FUNDS AS THEY ARE, BUT YOU ARE FREE TO AMEND THOSE AS WE GO THROUGH FURTHER DISCUSSIONS. BECAUSE YOU'VE EXTENDED TRUTH AND TAXATION, WE CAN AMEND THE BUDGET AT ANY POINT IN TIME, AND WE CAN AMEND ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET AND 30%, IF THAT'S WHAT WE VOTE ON, WE WILL WE CAN ADOPT A FINAL BUDGET WITH ANY OF THOSE CHANGES. YES, ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. SO I'M GOING TO PREPARE THE BUDGET AS YOU'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT, AND WE'RE READY FOR A TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION. AND THEN I'M GOING TO PUT IN THE TAX INCREASE AT 3%. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK TONIGHT. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL I'M DONE. YOU GUYS CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT. ALAN. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOUR OFFICE BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS MEETING? ALL THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS? NO, THE ONLY THE ONLY THING IS JUST A REMINDER THAT THE TRUTH AND TAXATION WILL BE ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 19TH, WHICH IS NOT A NORMAL WEEK. IS THAT THE RIGHT DATE? IT'S THE 19TH. YEAH. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS THEIRS ON THE FIFTH. YOU HAVE ELECTION DAY ON THE 12TH. THE TRUTH AND TAXATION WILL BE ON THE 19TH BOARD OF CANVAS ON THE 26TH. SO IN AUGUST THERE WILL BE A MEETING EVERY TUESDAY. WHAT IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ASKING FOR? DO WE KNOW? YEAH. NO. YEAH. NO ONE'S DISCLOSED ANYTHING. THE ONLY THING I KNOW IS THAT MURRAY HAD ONE. AND THEN THEY PULLED IT OUT WHEN THEY ADOPTED THEIR TENANT. THAT'S TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT DRAPER TOLD ME. DAVE WAS DOING ONE. I THINK THEY ARE. YEAH, THERE'S SEVERAL THAT ARE DOING THEM. ONE TENTH, NOT TEN. ONE ITEM THAT I SPOKE WITH ON FRIDAY, POWDER ROOM IS GOING TO HELP US GET ALL THE INFORMATION FOR THE RODEO THIS YEAR. SO THERE AREN'T ANY SURPRISES AND THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE GET AND WHAT WE NEED IS CITY COUNCIL. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RODEO, ALSO FEEL FREE TO ASK PAUL AS WELL. WE WILL HAVE A CART COUNCIL CART SO YOU CAN HELP SHUTTLE PEOPLE. WELL, I'M GUESSING THIS YEAR WE'LL HELP SHUTTLE PEOPLE FROM THE ART CENTER OVER TO THE RODEO, RIGHT? YEAH. DON'T WORRY, YOUR CAMPAIGN SHIRTS WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT, PLEASE WEAR A SUIT. THAT MIGHT BE. I DON'T I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT SOME CANDIDATES HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. SO IT'S TOUGH. SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS. OKAY,* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.