Jun 24, 2025 Committee of the Whole

[CALL TO ORDER]

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FINE. YOU CAN GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO DO THE GAVEL BECAUSE EVERYONE LOVES THAT PART. COME IN. I CALL TO ORDER THE WORK SESSION FOR JUNE 24TH. RIGHT. JUNE 24TH, 2025 FOR THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN. STARTING TODAY AT 4:00, WE HAVE ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR WEST JORDAN HERE, EXCEPT FOR COUNCILMEMBER BLOOM. SHE'S ONLINE, SHE'S ONLINE. SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT SHE IS ONLINE. SO SHE IS WITH US IN IN SOMEWHERE. SPIRITS. ALRIGHT. TODAY OUR

[a. Discussion of Proposed South Valley Water Reclamation Facility]

CLOSER. CLOSER TO CHAD'S HOUSE. IT'S CLOSER TO YOUR HOUSE. WE HAVE A RAY MCCANDLESS TO START US OFF. YES OR NO? IT'S GOT YOUR NAME ON IT, SO I GUESS I'LL TAKE IT. YES, I GOT TAG ON HERE. YES.

OKAY, SO YOU WANT TO START IT OFF, AND THEN YOU WANT TO JOIN THEM OVER THERE, OR ARE YOU? IF RAY WOULD LIKE YOU TO JOIN HIM, JOIN HIM OVER THERE. THEN WE'LL DISCUSS AND GO FROM THERE. LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT A WATER. I DON'T WANT THAT. I DON'T WANT THAT WATER. THANKS TO YOU, WE HAVE WATER. THAT WATER. THAT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY CLEAN. THAT'S A SECONDARY CONCERN. THE WATER RECLAMATION WATER. OKAY, IT'S ALL YOURS. YOU KEEP THAT. THAT'S. I THINK ONE DAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT IN YOUR. I THINK ON THIS ONE, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THE SLIDES JUST TO GET EVERYBODY ON BOARD. FAMILIARIZE EVERYBODY. THAT'S A SIDE STREET FROM CHAD. SO THIS IS JUST LOCATED ON 1300 WEST. JUST KIND OF UPSLOPE OF THE CURRENT SOUTH WATER UTILITY. IT'S ABOUT SIX ACRES. IT'S CURRENTLY FILLED. IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNATED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS BUSINESS AND RESEARCH PARK. AND I THINK THIS IS KIND OF A HOLDOVER FROM WAY BACK WHEN WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT ON THIS LAST UPDATE. SO IT'S STILL SHOWING ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS RESEARCH PARK BACK A LITTLE BIT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPERTY IS KIND OF SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS WITH THE MAIN OPERATIONS DOWN FURTHER TO THE EAST. THE REQUEST WILL REQUIRE A CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND THEN THE REQUEST IS ALSO TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM THE BUSINESS AND RESEARCH PARK TO THE PUBLIC FACILITIES. SO SAME ZONING IS TO THE RIGHT. YEP, SAME ZONING AS THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. SO WITH THAT. CURRENTLY THEY'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING A OR CONSTRUCTING A NEW ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE. CORRECT ME IF I JUST JUMP IN AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT TO DO A NEW ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, THE OFFICE ITSELF IS PERMITTED UNDER RESEARCH PARK ZONE. IT'S ALSO THE PUBLIC FACILITY ZONE AS WELL. BUT THIS IS BUT THE PART OF THE REQUEST IS, IS THAT THE SETBACKS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THAT BUSINESS RESEARCH PARK ZONE ARE PRETTY LARGE. I THINK I JUST PUT TOOK DOWN SOME NOTES HERE. THE BUSINESS RESEARCH PARK, LIKE YOUR FRONT YARD SETBACK, COULD BE 50FT. THIS IS AGAIN FROM A RESIDENTIAL USE. IT'S A FRONT YARD SETBACK. IT'S 50FT. SIDE IS 20 AND THE REAR IS 50. WHEREAS IN THE PUBLIC FACILITY ZONE IT WOULD BE 30 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK, TEN FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK, 20 FOOT SETBACK. SO TO BE ABLE TO BUILD, I THINK PART OF THE REASON FOR THE REZONE IS TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT BUILDING CLOSER TO THOSE FRONT CORNER WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING, AND THAT'S JUST ON THAT NORTHWEST CORNER. GREAT MAN. CAN I SPEAK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? SURE. JUST FOR BACKGROUND, CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE? YEAH. WHAT THIS IS THE FACILITY. THE FACILITY ALSO EXTENDS TO THE NORTH. AND WHAT GREEN SPACE IS AROUND THE FACILITY? OPEN SPACE. LIKE LIKE THESE FIELDS HERE BETWEEN US AND GARDNER VILLAGE. ALL THE OPEN SPACE IS EITHER ROCKY MOUNTAIN CORRIDOR, POWER AS A CORRIDOR FOR THEIR POWER, OR IT'S OWNED BY US JUST AS A SMALL BUFFER.

AND ALL THAT GREEN SPACE IS RESERVED FOR FUTURE PROCESS DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT? TO EXPAND

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OUR PRETREATMENT DEPARTMENT RUNS IN AND OUT OF THIS AS THEY GO OUT. AND THEY SAMPLE BUSINESSES IN OUR SERVICE AREA, WITHIN THE CITY AND WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES. AND SO WE HAVE THIS TRAFFIC THAT COMES IN AND OUT OF THE PLANT. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE WANTED TO MINIMIZE IT. WE ALSO HAVE A DUMP STATION WHERE WE ALLOW ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES, INCLUDING YOUR OWN, IF THEY'RE OUT CLEANING STORM DRAINS OR THEY CLEAN A SEWER, THOSE BACK TRUCKS COME IN AND THEY DUMP IN OUR FACILITY. ALL OF THAT IS INSIDE OF THIS FACILITY, AND WE WANT TO MOVE THAT. THOSE OUR LONG TERM PLANS ARE TO MOVE ALL OF THOSE FUNCTIONS OUTSIDE, IN ADDITION TO LIKE OUR SHIPPING AND RECEIVING. YOU CAN'T SEE IT ON THIS, BUT. OUR SHIPPING AND RECEIVING THAT, THE FAR NORTH END OF THE PLANT AND OUR ONLY ACCESS IS, IS ONE BRIDGE OVER THE CANAL. WE WANT TO BUILD A SECOND BRIDGE. WE WANT TO BUILD A SECOND BRIDGE HERE, COME DOWN THIS PROPERTY, PROVIDE A SECOND ENTRANCE INTO THE FACILITY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO REPLACE THIS EXISTING BRIDGE AT THE END OF ITS SERVICE LIFE. WE'RE SEEING SOME STRUCTURAL DAMAGE ON IT, AND THEN WE HAVE A GROSSLY UNDERSIZED MAINTENANCE BUILDING WHERE OUR IN-HOUSE MECHANIC AND WE WANT TO MOVE EVENTUALLY BUILD A LARGER BUILDING UP HERE ON THIS PARCEL, MOVE THOSE MAINTENANCE FUNCTIONS UP HERE SO THAT WE STOP DELIVERIES INTO THE PROCESS, INTO THE PLANT FOR SECURITY REASONS FROM THINGS LIKE JUST SUPPLIES TO LARGE EQUIPMENT TO OUR PUBLIC INTERACTIONS, OUR OWN PRETREATMENT DEPARTMENT, AND KEEP ALL OF THOSE UP HERE ON THE FRONT END IF WE CAN. AND EVENTUALLY EVEN THE DUMP STATION WHERE WE ALLOW MUNICIPALITIES TO COME IN AND MOVE THAT TYPE OF STUFF BACK UP HERE SO THAT WE'RE SECURING THE PLANT, IT DOES.

BESIDES SECURING THE PLANT, IT OPENS UP THE OUR LAND LOCK AND IT OPENS UP THE REAL ESTATE THAT WE HAVE INSIDE OF HERE, WHERE IF WE MOVE SOME OF THOSE FUNCTIONS OUT, THEN WE CAN USE A PARKING LOT OR AN OLD BUILDING AND WE CAN BUILD NEW PROCESS THERE AS THE NEEDS DEMAND. AND SO THAT'S PART OF IT. WHAT SPAWNED ALL OF THIS WAS AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON MOVING THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING FIRST OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE JUST FOUND OUT AND IN FACT, IT WAS OUR BOARD MEMBER FROM WEST GEORGIA CITY THAT DELVED, DELVED INTO THIS AND FOUND OUT FOR US. WE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE PUBLIC FACILITY. SO WE SUBMITTED SOME PLANS AND SOME COMMENTS CAME BACK TO THIS TO OUR FACILITY. HEY, THE BUILDING'S A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD FOR SETBACKS.

AND SO WE LOOKED INTO IT AND IT'S LIKE, OH, WE'RE NOT ZONED PUBLIC FACILITY. SO WE THOUGHT, WELL, LET'S CORRECT THAT SO THAT WE CAN ONE ALIGN THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY WITH OUR FUNCTIONS, AND TWO, MAXIMIZE OUR USE OF THE PROPERTY PARCEL ALONG 1300 WEST. AND THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. SO PART OF THIS IS WITH ANY REZONING AS YOU'RE AWARE, YOU RUN UP WITH A LIST OF PERMITTED CONDITIONAL USES WITHIN EACH OF THE ZONES. AND SO FROM A LONG TERM VIEWPOINT, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IS WHETHER OR NOT THOSE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE ZONE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT KIND OF IMPACTS THERE MIGHT BE TO ADJOINING PROPERTY. IN THIS CASE, THE FACILITY ITSELF IS CONSIDERED A MAJOR. IT'S CALLED A MAJOR UTILITY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND THE OPERATIONS PART. I MENTIONED THAT THE OFFICE PART OF IT IS, IS ALLOWED UNDER EITHER ZONE, BUT THE OPERATIONS THEMSELVES ARE NOT ALLOWED CURRENTLY UNDER THE BUSINESS RESEARCH PART. SO IF IT WERE TO BE. ZONED TO THE PH SOUND, THEN THOSE THE OPERATIONS THEMSELVES COULD TRANSFER FROM THE CONSTRUCTED IN FUTURE. BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ARE. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S ON THE TABLE. AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS JUST KIND OF A POLICY DECISION WITH THOSE I NEED TO MENTION AS WELL, IS

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HOURS OF OPERATION, WHAT IMPACTS THERE MIGHT BE TO ADJOINING PROPERTY. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE DID A CONDITIONAL USE ON THAT PROPERTY. BUT I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS THEY HAD TO DO WITH SOME CONSTRUCTION OF SOMETHING. AND THAT WAS 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO. AND IF YOU REMEMBER, WE IMPOSED THE CONDITIONS BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY COULDN'T BUILD BEFORE EIGHT AFTER A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD. SO WE'VE IMPOSED CONDITIONS BEFORE ON THAT PROPERTY, AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THOSE. COUNCIL MEMBER YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE CONSTRUCTED NEW FACILITIES OUT THERE, THE LAST COUPLE OF THEM HAVE GONE THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, JUST AS THE PLANTS EXPANDED. AND TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT INSIDE ENGINEERING OF ELDERS HERE IN ENGINEERING, THEY LOOKED AT THE IMPACTS ON JUST, YOU KNOW, EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER, SEWER, STORM DRAIN, TRANSPORTATION. AND WHILE YOU'RE THE ONE THAT DID THAT STUDY, BUT JUST FOR THE COUNCIL'S INFORMATION, AS WE LOOKED AT THE IMPACT AND KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S ALSO WHAT HELPED IS THE SETBACK OF THIS SEWER, THIS SITE, AND TO TAKE IT OUT TO 13. WAS THERE THAT CONTROLS THE SEWERS FAIRLY SHALLOW IN THE STREET. SO THAT CONTROLS THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. SO AS WE PUSH THE BUILDING FURTHER BACK TO THE EAST, THAT WAS CREATING A SIGNIFICANT MORE FILLED DOWN SITE, MORE VISUAL IMPACT. WE PULL IT UP CLOSER.

EVEN THOUGH THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING STATES ABOUT THE SAME, IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THAT AS MUCH IMPACT ON FUTURE USE AND, AND ON ON THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS WE LOOKED AT. AND THEN A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WATER, EXISTING SYSTEMS ARE OUT IN THE MAIN FRONTAGE ROAD THERE, AND WE JUST TYING INTO THOSE AND WORKING WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SITE WAS PROPERLY SERVICED WITH WATER, FIRE AND THOSE WERE IMPROVEMENTS BY WORKING WITH THIS AND SO TO HELP BENEFIT THE SITE, WILL YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE. ANOTHER SLIDE. SORRY TO. WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO ON THE NORTH END THAT DO THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED AS OFFICE BUILDINGS, ARE THEY AT A LOWER ELEVATION THAN THOSE HOMES? YES, WE'RE ON THE DOWN SLOPE SIDE OF THE CANAL. THEY ARE HIGHER IN 10 OR 15 PITCHES, SO THEY'RE ABOUT AS MUCH AS THE. YEAH. YOU TEND TO BUILD A WATER TREATMENT FACILITY OR WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY AT THE LOWEST POINT. SO EVERYBODY CAN GRAVITY SEWER TO YOU. AND THE LAND TO THE WEST IS HIGHER. IT DOESN'T SHOW IT IN THIS AERIAL VERY WELL. BUT THERE'S A THERE'S A DECENT SLOPE COMING DOWN OUR DRIVEWAY ON THIS PARCEL FROM 1300 WEST DOWN TO THE CANAL. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT WAS THE POINT. IF YOU COULD SLEDDING HILL. AND I JUST WANT TO REEMPHASIZE FOR THE COUNCIL, EVERYBODY ELSE IS HERE. THE SOUTH VALLEY WATER RECLAMATION BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAS RE-EMPHASIZED RECENTLY THAT THERE'S NO INTENT TO SUBDIVIDE THIS PROPERTY OR SELL IT, BUT TO KEEP THE PROPERTY FOR OUR OWN PURPOSES AND USES. SO I JUST WANT THE COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT THERE'S NO INTENT TO SUBDIVIDE THIS OR DO ANYTHING. IS YOUR IDEA TO PUT THE BUILDING CLOSE TO 13TH WEST? BECAUSE THAT'S STILL GOT A GOOD SLOPE DROPPING OFF FROM 13TH WEST? IT IS. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT BOB WAS SAYING. WE HAD LOOKED AT SITING THE BUILDING DOWN HERE. WE REQUIRED ADDITIONAL SEWERAGE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND IT WAS MADE MOST ECONOMICAL SENSE TO PUT IT UP HERE ON THE FRONT EDGE. AND THAT SUITS WELL WITH BEING AN ADMINISTRATION. HOW MUCH FILLER ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IN TO DO THAT? THAT'S STILL A PRETTY GOOD SLOPE. YEAH. THERE'S I THINK LIKE 15,000 YARDS OR SOMETHING OF THE BUILDINGS, A SLAB ON GRADE BUILDING AND THE SEWER CONTROLS THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. SO I MEAN, WE'RE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE STREET, BUT AS THE GROUND DROPS OFF, YES, WE HAVE TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE. THE PARKING ACCESSIBLE AROUND THE BUILDING. AND WE HAVE TO MAKE IT LIKE IF YOU'RE COMING IN HERE, THE FRONT

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THAT'S OKAY. WHAT KIND OF BUILDING WOULD BE INVOLVED FOR THAT? THERE WOULD BE NO BUILDING THAT WOULD JUST BE OPEN SLABS AND. OH, OKAY. BASIC STUFF. JUST IMAGINE A TANKER TRUCK, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU'VE SEEN YOUR OWN STORM DRAIN BACK TRUCKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST IMAGINE A PLACE WHERE THEY COULD EMPTY THEIR TANKS. AND WOULD YOU SITE THAT BEHIND THE BUILDING? WE WOULD MOVE MORE THAN LIKELY INDUSTRIAL SPACE. IN THE APPLICATION, I DID A ROUGH SKETCH OF CONCEPTUAL PLAN. RIGHT. BUT WE WOULD MOVE THAT DOWN CLOSE TO THE CANAL AND WE WOULD PROBABLY INCORPORATE THOSE TYPE OF PLANS WITH A BRIDGE REPLACEMENT OR BOX CULVERT INSTALL SO THAT WE COULD GET THE SEWER ACROSS THE CANAL. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT GOT DUMPED AT A STATION LIKE THAT, SO IT WOULD BE DOWN BY THE CANAL EITHER ON THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY KIND OF DOWN THERE OR ON A ON A DRIVEWAY, THAT KIND OF PLAN FOR A SECOND ENTRANCE INTO THE FACILITY. I THINK IT'S REALLY SMART TO SEPARATE ALL THE PUBLIC INTERACTIONS FROM THE MAIN FACILITY. THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF OUR GOALS, FORWARD THINKING. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE GRADE ISSUE YOU WERE BRINGING UP IS THIS BUILDING SITS ABOUT EVEN WITH THE FINISHED FLOOR, WITH THE GRADE OF THE ROAD, TYPICALLY YOU WOULD BUILD IT UP, BUT BECAUSE THE GROUND'S DROPPING DOWN, WE KIND OF BUILD A DRAINAGE BETWEEN THE TWO AND HOLD THAT BUILDING DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, SO IT LESSENS THE IMPACT FURTHER DOWN THE HILL. AND THEN YOU HAVE LIKE YOU CAN SEE, A SINGLE STORY. BUT IF YOU'RE DOING THAT AND THE ROADS COMING IN FROM THE NORTH, THAT MEANS THAT EVERYBODY DRIVING BY IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE UGLY SIDE OF THE BUILDING. YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, NOT THE FRONT FACADE FACES NORTH. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUILDING'S PRETTY SIMPLE. IT'S OFFICES AROUND. IT'S A SQUARE, MORE OR LESS. OFFICES AROUND THE PERIMETER. YOU KNOW, WITH A BIG WORKROOM FOR OUR BOARD AND STUFF. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE. THAT WOULD BE THE SIDE FACING 13. YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY I WOULD SAY THE NORTH END OF IT WOULD BE THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

THE NORTH IS THIS BUILDING RIGHT. IS IT THE LEFT HAND SIDE THERE. SO THE WEST FACING WOULD BE THE THIS WOULD BE WEST. YEAH. THIS WOULD BE NORTH. YEAH. I DON'T SEE THAT BAD. YEAH. AND THEN THE ROAD COMES DOWN HERE. RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING. YOU DO. YES. GOOD POINT. FIRST PERSON I GO TALK TO IS JALEN THOMAS TO SEE WHAT SHE THINKS. BECAUSE IT'S NOT SHE'LL RAISE RUCKUS. WELL I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I MIGHT BE FINE WITH IT. SO THERE'S ONE ON ONE ISN'T IT. JUST DOWN THE ROAD TO THE RIGHT. YOU GOT THE EVERY RESIDENT I'VE HEARD FROM LOT THAT'S REALLY MESSY AND JUST A JUST A LITTLE HISTORY FOR THE CURRENT COUNCIL. I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE. OH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF LOTS ON THERE THAT ARE. YEAH. SOME YEARS BACK WE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO WIDEN THE FRONTAGE OF 13TH WEST ALONG THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT WAS NARROWER. SO THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT YEARS AGO, PART OF THE STREET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE PAID FOR THE WIDENING OF THE STREET. WE RELOCATED THE UTILITIES AND THEN WE KIND OF FENCED THAT FIELD AREA AND WE LANDSCAPED IT WITH SOME SHRUBBERY AND SOME TREES AND STUFF ALONG THE ROAD.

JUST A LITTLE INFORMATION. WE DID THAT TO TRY TO CREATE A BUFFER BETWEEN THERE. BUT YOU'RE ON A HILL. I MEAN, YOU CAN EASILY LOOK DOWN INTO THE FACILITY FOR ANYBODY. THAT'S TRUE. YOU KNOW THAT. BUT BUT IT'S TURNED OUT TO BE A NICE LITTLE HEDGE. SO. YEAH. WELL THAT'S WHERE THE STREET'S GOING TO GET WIDENED TO HERE SHORTLY, ISN'T IT, BRIAN 13TH. NO, IT'S

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YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE TO CHANGE IT TO FROM THE BRP ZONE TO ANOTHER ZONE TO ALLOW FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO BRING THEM UP TO THE STREET? RIGHT. BUT JUST THINKING LONG TERM. YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THE FULL CONTEXT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S ALL. IS THIS FOR THE COUNCIL? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED? TO CALL AND TALK TO THOSE NEIGHBORS? WHO ARE WE HERE? WE NEED TO WELL, I THINK I THINK MOST OF THE I THINK EXISTING NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE FEARING WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TEN, 20, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WITH AN EXPANSION OF THE PLANT. THEY'RE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES IMPACTED BY THE WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TEN, 20, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO. THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT, MOVING THE OFFICE BUILDING UP AND PERHAPS A DUMP SITE IS LESS IMMEDIATE.

RIGHT. BUT STILL. FAIRLY IMMINENT. IS THE DUMP SITE. THE ONLY PLANS THAT WE HAVE AT THIS TIME? I MEAN, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE IN OUR LONG TERM FINANCIAL PLANNING, THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, THE ONLY PLAN THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS MOVING THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, SO THE OTHER ITEMS WOULD HAVE TO BE PLANNED FOR, BUDGETED FOR, APPROVED THAT TYPE OF STUFF. AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. WE'RE WE'RE AT 23 MGD INTO THE PLANT RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT DOES THAT ACRONYM. SO WE TREAT 23 MILLION GALLONS OF MUNICIPAL SEWAGE WATER EVERY DAY. AND WHILE THAT IS GROWING, WE HAVE AN UPWARD TICK ON GROWTH. THERE IS WE'RE ALSO PARTNERS WITH JORDAN BASIN IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. AND DEPENDING UPON DECISIONS MADE AT THE SOUTH END OF THE VALLEY DOWN THERE IN BLUFFDALE. THAT IMPACTS THE GROWTH THAT WE TAKE. RATHER, IF THEY IF THEY BUILD OUT AND TAKE THE KIND OF KIND OF TREATMENT IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR DECISIONS. SO THERE'S THAT FACTOR THAT GOES IN THERE. BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO POINT OUT FOR THE COUNCIL, AND THAT IS THE MAIN SEWER INTERCEPTORS THAT FLOW INTO OUR FACILITY. THEY PARALLEL THE JORDAN RIVER RIVER BOTH FROM THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ON OUR SIDE OF THE JORDAN RIVER, IN OTHER WORDS, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE JORDAN RIVER.

AND SO EVERYTHING IS COMING IN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS SLIDE. AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE COUNCILMAN'S CONCERN ABOUT SOMEBODY ELSE MAYBE MOVING PROCESS UP THERE, JUST PRAGMATICALLY, THAT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. AND BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO MINIMIZE CONSTRUCTION COSTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO REVAMP PROCESSES AS ADJACENT TO PROCESSES AS YOU CAN TO MINIMIZE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. AND I DON'T WANT

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THAT WON'T CHANGE. THAT WON'T CHANGE. SO YOU'VE GOT ALL THE LAND, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST SOUTH OF THERE. THAT'S THAT'S YOURS AS WELL. THAT'S WHERE YOU COULD. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YOU HEARD ME TALK TO OR ALLUDE TO THAT EARLIER THAT THAT'S RESERVED FOR FUTURE TREATMENT PROCESS EXPANSION. AND AS IS THE NORTH PROPERTY THAT'S OPEN SPACE FOR FILTRATION. NOW IS THAT WHERE IS YOUR ADMINISTRATION BUILDING NOW? IS THAT THE ABOVE THE TO THE NORTH? YES. I'LL POINT TO IT AGAIN. YEAH. SIT DOWN HERE. SO ALL OF OUR PRETREATMENT LABORATORY, OUR ADMINISTRATION FUNCTIONS, OUR OPERATIONAL FUNCTIONS, THEY ALL SIT IN THIS BUILDING. SO THAT'S ALSO LAND THAT COULD THEN BE OPENED UP FOR IT. ABSOLUTELY IS. SO, SO THIS MAINTENANCE SHOP, THIS ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THIS PARKING LOT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BECOME REPURPOSED. AND YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR YOU TO BUILD STUFF THERE INSTEAD OF BUILD IT? YEAH, BECAUSE BECAUSE WE CROSSED THE CANAL. ONE IS WE WANT TO GET THOSE FUNCTIONS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CANAL TWO IS WE WANT TO WE WANT TO MAKE THE CANAL OUR BARRIER FOR SECURITY REASONS, TO THE PROCESS SIDE OF THE PLANT, YOU KNOW. YEAH. I'LL JUST SHARE ONE OTHER THING THAT MAKES TALK ABOUT IT. EAST SIDE IS WHERE THE LINES COME IN AND TRANSMISSION LINES. THIS IS GAINING GRADE 30FT AS YOU CLIMB UP THAT HILL. SO ANYTHING IF YOU'RE DOING PROCESSES WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE COST OF PUMPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO GET IT UP AND MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD FOR THE LONG TERM. AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE COUNCIL HAS MADE MISTAKES ON OTHER ZONING THINGS AND WE'RE PAYING FOR THEM 20 YEARS. FAIR ENOUGH.

COUNCILMAN, TO BOB ELDER'S COMMENT ABOUT THIS UPGRADE AND PUMPING TO IT JUST FOR THE COUNCIL'S INFORMATION. YOU KNOW, WE USE ELECTRICITY TO PUMP WITH. AND BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE LOW POINT, WE COLLECT ALL THE WATER, THE LOW POINT, WE HAVE TO PRESSURIZE THAT WATER AND LIFT IT SO THAT WE CAN FLOW IT THROUGH ALL OF OUR PROCESSES. RIGHT. WELL, THE HIGHER WE HAVE TO LIFT IT, THE MORE IT COSTS US IN ELECTRICITY. AND SO THAT BECOMES A LONG TERM OPERATIONAL COST. AND ELECTRICITY IS A BIG EXPENSE AT OUR FACILITY. I MEAN, TO THE TUNE OF $200,000 A MONTH.

SO, I MEAN, WE WOULD ALWAYS MANAGE THAT PLANT, NOT THE DATA CENTER, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH. AND SO WHAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO MY REFERENCE TO A CONSULTANT TELLING YOU TO MOVE ANYTHING UP THERE, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS, NOT JUST LOCATION WHERE THE SEWER COMES IN, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD POINT THAT BOB RAISED. YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE OPERATIONALLY TO DO ANYTHING UP THERE BECAUSE IT WOULD COST YOU MORE MONEY. SO BACK TO THE POINT THAT I WAS MAKING WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORS AND THOSE 4 OR 5 HOUSES. RIGHT.

THE BACKUP ONTO THIS PARCEL IS BACK UP ONTO THE ROAD, THE PRIVATE ROAD. RIGHT. THOSE 4 OR 5 HOUSES ON THE NORTH SIDE ARE REALLY THE MOST IMPACTED BY THIS, AND THEY ALREADY DEAL WITH ANY TRAFFIC THAT GOES DOWN THE HILL TO THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. IT'S NOT GOING TO GENERATE NEW TRAFFIC TO GO DOWN THE HILL. IT'S JUST GOING TO SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO AS FAR DOWN THE HILL. SO NOW YOU'VE GOT MAYBE 2 OR 3 FEWER HOUSES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THAT TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT TURNS INTO THE PARKING LOT NOW AT THE TOP OF THE HILL, INSTEAD OF ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE. SO YOU'RE ELIMINATING 6 OR 7 HOUSES WORTH OF TRAFFIC COMPLAINTS AS FAR AS WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING PRODUCES, AS FAR AS IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK ADMINISTRATION BUILDING IS REALLY A MINOR IMPACT WHEN IT COMES TO A SEWER PLANT. YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING THAT HOUSES THE OFFICES IS THE LEAST OF YOUR CONCERNS, AND EVEN THE CONCERNS OF THAT WOULD BRING UP ARE ACTUALLY YOU'RE MAKING THEM BETTER BY MOVING IT CLOSER TO THE ROAD. RIGHT. SO WHAT ABOUT THE DUMP STATION? ITS FUTURE IMPACT THERE VERSUS WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY AT? HOW MIGHT THAT AFFECT NEIGHBORS? IS THERE ANY EXTRAORDINARY NOISE THAT'S CAUSED WHEN THERE'S DUMPING HAPPENING? OR YOU KNOW, OR YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY IT'S DOWN A HILL. IT'S IT MAY BE WOULD IT BE FURTHER AWAY FROM RESIDENTS THAN WHERE IT WOULD GO IN THE FUTURE? IT WOULD AFFECT THE RESIDENTS UP THERE RATHER THAN RESIDENTS DOWN THERE. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S OVER BY THE OTHER HOMES. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY IT'S NOT AFFECTING THEM BECAUSE IT'S 15FT. WELL THEY STILL SO THEY CAN SEE AND HEAR THE NOISE THE EXISTING DUMP STATION IS JUST OFF OF THIS SLIDE. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE RAILROAD THAT CROSSES THE RIVER THAT CROSSES HERE. AND THEN YOU

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RIGHT. I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED THAT IT DOESN'T STINK MORE THAN IT DOES THE WHOLE FACILITY, BECAUSE, YEAH, WE DO SPEND A LOT OF TIME OVER THERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I CAN'T SMELL IT.

YEAH. I MEAN, JUST RECENTLY OUR, OUR BOARD OF TRUSTEES APPROVED. SO MAYBE THE PEOPLE NEXT APPROVED A PROJECT WHERE, YOU KNOW, JUST UNDER $1 MILLION. TO IMPROVE OUR ODOR CONTROL FACILITIES RIGHT THERE. SO I LIKE THAT. RIGHT? I MEAN, IT IS WASTEWATER. I CAN'T TELL THE COUNCIL THAT THERE'S NO ODOR THERE, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE WE'VE TRIED TO MAINTAIN THE BUFFERS THAT WE THAT WE HAVE. AND IT'S JUST THAT THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED IN AND AROUND IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OVER THE YEARS, I MEAN, WHEN THE FACILITY WAS BUILT, IT WAS IT WAS FARMLAND.

AND NOW MOST OF THAT FARMLAND HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. WE NEED TO GO OUT THERE. AND SO WITHOUT ANY FIRM INFORMATION, YES, THERE WILL BE ODORS. THERE ALWAYS ARE ODORS. WHEN THINGS ARE DUMPED, IT WILL PERMEATE THE WHOLE AREA. PROBABLY NOT. AND NOBODY WHO LIVES THERE DOESN'T KNOW THEY LIVE NEXT TO THEM. THEY LIVE NEXT TO WHERE THEY LIVE NEXT TO THEM. SO I INITIALLY I WAS NOT AT ALL CONCERNED WITH REZONING THIS TO PUBLIC FACILITY. I FEEL LIKE COUNCILMAN GREEN DID BRING UP A GOOD, YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, KIND OF CONCERNED. SO. I JUST DON'T I'M OKAY. I GENERALLY OKAY WITH IT, BUT I'M I STILL WANT TO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO IT. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR ALTERNATIVES SO THAT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FLASHES OF. ECHO RIDGE, YOU KNOW, COME THROUGH, YOU KNOW, COME THROUGH YOUR MIND, RIGHT? IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MADE A SHORT TERM ZONING DECISION BECAUSE, OH, THIS IS GOING TO BE A COOL NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE PAYING THE PRICE EVERY DAY FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. PROBABLY THE SAME WITH THAT OTHER ONE THAT 90 IS SOUTH SPLITS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT LONG TERM DECISION FOR THE CITY ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND IT DOESN'T SADDLE US WITH PROBLEMS 20 YEARS FROM NOW. COULD I ASK, COULD I ASK THE QUESTION OF THE COUNCIL, ARE YOU OKAY WITH SUPPORTING THE MOVE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING UP TO THAT CORNER? ABSOLUTELY. YES.

YEAH. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE THAT REZONE TO PO. AND IF WE

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AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD STOP YOU FROM OR A FUTURE COUNCIL FROM REZONING IT TO EXCEPT FOR. I MEAN, YOU COULD EVEN REZONE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING, RIGHT? YEAH. THERE'S SUPPORT FOR BOTH ZONES. WELL, AND IN THE AND IN THE FUTURE, IN THE FUTURE COUNCIL THEN WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE WHOLE AGREEMENT. OKAY. WHY ARE YOU GOING TO. WHAT ARE WE DOING. WHY WHAT'S THE PLAN. AND THEY CAN THEY CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. WHAT ABOUT THE DUMP STATION? DOES THAT GET ILLUMINATED? WELL, THAT'S NOT IMMEDIATE. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A PERMITTED USE IN THE PO ZONE. SO THEY WOULD EITHER THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME AND HAVE THAT SECTION OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT LIKE THE FUTURE TRUCK FACILITY BUILDING. YEAH.

THAT WOULD YOU'D HAVE TO GET A ZONE FOR THAT, FOR THAT. SO THAT THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO SHIPPING AND RECEIVING OR DO A VEHICLE MAINTENANCE SHOP. RIGHT. AND HOW FAR OUT ARE THOSE THINGS FOR YOU? I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT BECAUSE. I THINK OF THE DUMPING I'D LIKE TO GO OUT AND GO DO THE DUMPING THING, SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE THERE, AND THEN IMAGINE THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE IN THIS AREA. AND LIKE WHEN WE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THAT ONE PROPERTY. YEAH, ONCE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU GOT YOUR BOOTS ON THE GROUND, YOU GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THINGS ARE AND VISIT YOUR, YOUR FACILITY. SURE. I SUGGEST YOU JUST CALL UP JUSTIN RAIL WITH YOUR PUBLIC WORKS. ASK WHEN HE'S GOT A DRIVER. IT'S GOING TO GO DUMP A TRUCK. AND IT'S PRETTY UNEVENTFUL. YEAH. NO, I'M. I'M NOT EXPECTING A PARADE. I'M EXPECTING. YEAH. IT WOULD BE EXCITING TO BE POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA. IT'S NOT THE RIGHT ONE WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR. BUT WE, YOU KNOW, THEY DUMPED MANY AN RV. AND YES, THERE'S ALWAYS AN ODOR FROM DUMPING AN RV. AND ONCE IT'S DONE, THE ODOR IS GONE. YEAH, THOSE ARE TRAILER GOT SOLD WHEN I KNEW YOU HAD TO DO THAT. YEAH. YOU DON'T. WHERE'D YOU THINK IT GOES THAT TRUCKS DON'T KNOW? OH, YEAH. NO, IT'S A DIFFERENT ZONE. THE PFF WITH THE RESTRICTED USES IN THE PFF. NO. THAT IDENTIFIES THOSE.

NO. IT GETS TO GOTCHA. YEAH. ANY THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN RV AND THE DUMP THAT WE HAVE FOR THE MUNICIPALITIES. RIGHT. AS I CALL IT THE DUMP STATION BECAUSE AN RV IS GOING TO BE A, YOU KNOW, A BRASS CAP WITH YOUR FOOT YOU CAN STEP ON AND THROW YOUR HOSE DOWN IT AND IT GOES DOWN TO A SEWER TYPE THING. YOU KNOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE MUNICIPAL TRUCKS, THEY'RE BIG TANKER TRUCKS. BIG ROUND DOOR OPENS. SO THEY NEED THAT OPEN BAY JUST TO DUMP THE WATER IN THE GROUND. AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT THEY PICK UP AND THEY HONESTLY. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN AND OUT, TAKES THEM 20 MINUTES. DOES A, LIKE A OUTHOUSE. PROVIDER LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE THAT ARE ON CONSTRUCTION SITES. SO WE CALL THOSE WASTE HAULERS OUTSIDE OF THE MUNICIPALITY. RIGHT. AND SO LIKE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT RUNS A BUSINESS GOING AND CLEANING OUT HOUSES. YEAH. WHERE DO THEY DUMP THAT, THAT TYPE OF WASTE. SO WE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT PIT FOR THEM, SEPARATE FROM THE MUNICIPALITIES. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MEASURE WHAT THEY DO. AND SO THEY'RE REGULATED. WE CHARGE THEM LIKE WITH MUNICIPALITIES. EVERYBODY COMES IN. WE WORK TOGETHER ON AGENCY WITH ANOTHER, BUT THOSE ARE CHARGED ON HOW MUCH THEY BRING IN, AND THEN THEY'RE TESTED TO SEE WHAT THEIR POLLUTANT STRENGTH IS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. THOSE CONSIDERATIONS GO INTO WHAT THEIR FEE IS. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THAT TRAFFIC. WE DO PERMIT THOSE BUSINESSES. BUT THE PERSON THAT WOULD BE MOST BENEFICIAL TO SPEAK ON THAT IS ONE OF OUR DIRECTORS. HE'S NOT HERE TODAY, BUT ALL RIGHT. WELL, I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO MOVE TO POA, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE YOU GUYS COME BACK WHEN NEEDED TO MAKE THE DECISIONS ON THE FUTURE. SO AS FAR AS YOUR TEAM AND GETTING MORE INFORMATION FROM US TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THAT GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT, RIGHT? YES. PLANNING COMMISSION AND NOTICES. WE'VE NOTICED WITHIN 300FT ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WE'LL GET OUT THAT THAT WAY. SO JEAN THOMAS WILL KNOW OF COURSE. OF COURSE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. PLANNING COMMISSION ANYWAY. SO JUST GIVE THEM. NO ANYWAY. SO WE'LL

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[b. Presentation of the Economic Development Strategic Plan]

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME IN THE MAKING. PAUL COATES HAS BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED. ALSO, SOME OF YOU WERE MET WITH FRED AS HE PUT THE PLAN TOGETHER. HE'S MET WITH A WIDE RANGE OF INTERESTED GROUPS AND PARTIES, AND SO HE'S GOT THE DRAFT PUT TOGETHER AND WANTED TO GIVE YOU KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF IT TONIGHT, GET ANY INPUT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND THEN TAKE IT THROUGH THE FORMAL ADOPTION PROCESS AFTER WE GET YOUR INPUT. SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER FIRST.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I DO HAVE A SLIDE DECK HERE. WE'LL SEE IF THAT POPS UP. WELL THAT'S LOADING. I DO WANT TO SAY WHAT A PLEASURE IT HAS BEEN TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT. PRIOR TO WORKING ON THIS, I HADN'T BEEN OUT TO WEST JORDAN ALL THAT MUCH, AND PAUL TOOK US ON SEVERAL DRIVING TOURS, AND IT'S HARD TO PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK. SO I'M GOING TO PAT PAUL ON THE BACK.

HIS PASSION FOR THE COMMUNITY WAS, WAS WAS EVIDENT. AND ME AND MY COLLEAGUES, WE REALLY WERE KIND OF WOWED BY WHAT WEST JORDAN HAS TO OFFER AND THE JUST THE SCOPE, THE SIZE OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. IT'S DEFINITELY A WONDERFUL PROJECT TO WORK ON. SO AS DAVID INDICATED, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE. IT STARTED WITH REALLY AN INITIATIVE BY CHRIS PENGRA TO BASICALLY BRING ALL OF THE INFORMATION TOGETHER THAT THAT WAS OUT THERE RELATIVE TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES, THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND HOUSE IT IN ONE DOCUMENT. SO OUR SCOPE WASN'T NECESSARILY TO REINVENT THE WHEEL AS IT AS IT RELATES TO WEST JORDAN'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES, BUT TO BRING IT ALL TOGETHER AND GET ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM YOU AS A COUNCIL AND THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN YOUR COMMUNITY. SO WE MET WITH DEVELOPERS, BUSINESS LEADERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, AS WELL AS OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES THAT PROVIDE SERVICES, POWER AND ENERGY RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE TO JUST GET ALL OF THE INPUT WE COULD, RELATIVE TO THIS DOCUMENT. WHAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS ALSO TO SERVE AS A LIVING DOCUMENT. SO AS YOU READ THROUGH THAT, AS YOUR COMMUNITY EVOLVES, SO SHOULD THIS DOCUMENT. SOME THINGS WILL GET COMPLETED AND THEY SHOULD FALL OFF THE LIST OR GOALS MAY BE ACHIEVED. AND WE MOVE ON TO DIFFERENT GOALS AND STRATEGIES FOR THE DIFFERENT AREAS IN YOUR COMMUNITY. AND SO THE DOCUMENT SHOULD BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THE CHANGING NATURE OF YOUR COMMUNITY. IT ALSO WILL SERVE AS A LONG TERM GUIDE. SO AS YOU WORK THROUGH DECISIONS, WE HOPE THAT THIS DOCUMENT YOU CAN TURN TO THE SPECIFIC SECTIONS AND LOOK AT THE GOALS AND STRATEGIES FOR SPECIFIC AREA AND DETERMINE HOW YOUR DECISIONS MIGHT BE INFLUENCED BY THAT THAT INFORMATION. WE REVIEWED THIS. OUR SCOPE OF WORK AGAIN WAS AN EXISTING CONDITIONS EVALUATION, A STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH AND SWOT ANALYSIS, WHICH IS STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, OPPORTUNITIES AND THREATS. AND WE DID THAT FOR EACH OF THE ECONOMIC AREAS THAT WE EVALUATED TO REAFFIRM THE GENERAL ECONOMIC STRATEGIES AND HIGHLIGHT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS WITHIN WEST JORDAN. SO WITH REGARDS TO SOME BIG PICTURE ITEMS, YOUR COMMUNITY IS CHARACTERIZED BY A YOUNGER, YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHIC WITH AVERAGE TO ABOVE AVERAGE INCOMES. YOU HAVE A SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN AVERAGE, WELL GREATER THAN 50% CONCENTRATION OF RESIDENTIAL VALUATION. WHEN IT COMES TO PROPERTY TYPES, YOUR CAPTURE RATE. SO THIS IS A REFLECTION OF THE AMOUNT OF TAXABLE SALES THAT YOU'RE CAPTURING WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY RELATIVE TO THE STATE AVERAGE.

SO WE'RE COMPARING WEST JORDAN TO THE AVERAGE OF UTAH. YOU CAPTURE ABOUT 80% OF 82% OF TAXABLE SALES ON AVERAGE COMPARED TO THE TO THE STATE. SO THERE'S A LITTLE ROOM TO GROW THERE. BUT THAT CAPTURE RATE IS ALSO WHEN YOU SAY CAPTURE RATE. YEAH. ARE YOU ARE YOU TALKING

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IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE DOLLARS THAT ARE SPENT AND THE TAXABLE SALES THAT ARE GENERATED IN WEST JORDAN ON A PER CAPITA BASIS WHEN COMPARED TO THE STATE AVERAGE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, YEAH, THE STATE AVERAGE WOULD BE CONSIDERED 100%. YES. SO WE'RE BELOW. YES. YOU'D LIKE TO BE OVER 100%. YEAH. YEAH. HAVING HIGHER MEANS YOU'RE YOU'RE GENERATING TAXABLE SALES FROM FROM PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE COMING IN RELATIVE TO YOUR POPULATION. AND SO 100% IS IF WEST JORDAN WAS AN ISLAND AND YOU CAN ONLY WEST JORDAN, WEST JORDAN, BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T LEAVE, THAT WOULD BE 100%. YOU'D BE CAPTURING. NO, NO, ACTUALLY NO. IT'S THE STATE AVERAGE RIGHT IS 100%, WHICH IS NOT 100% FOR ANYONE, RIGHT. IT'S LIKE THE STATE. IT'S THE STATE.

I MEAN, UTAH WAS AN ISLAND. YEAH, IT'S JORDAN'S ISLAND COMPARED TO US ISLAND. IT'S TRYING TO REALLY CAPTURE THAT IDEA OF WHETHER YOU'RE PULLING IN COMPARED TO THE STATE AVERAGE OR PUSHING OUT COMPARED TO THE STATE AVERAGE. AND EVERY COMMUNITY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SUBLEVELS OF TAXABLE SALES, THERE'S AREAS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABOVE 100% AND BELOW 100%.

BUT ON AVERAGE, WHEN YOU BRING ALL OF IT TOGETHER WITH FOR WEST JORDAN, ALL OF YOUR TAXABLE SALES, YOU'RE AT 82%. WE DO SOME INCOME ADJUSTMENTS AS WELL. SO WE DO A COMPARISON OF YOUR INCOME RELATIVE TO THE STATE AND SAY, WELL, IF YOU HAVE HIGHER INCOMES IN WEST JORDAN, THEN ARGUABLY YOU COULD SPEND A FEW MORE DOLLARS, YOUR RESIDENTS COULD SPEND A FEW MORE DOLLARS WHEN COMPARED TO THE STATE AVERAGE. SO WE DO AN INCOME ADJUSTED COMPARISON, BUT IT PROVIDES COMPARISON THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SAY, OKAY, ARE WE A REGIONAL DRAW? ARE WE LEAKING THAT IDEA OF LEAKING TAXABLE SALES ON AVERAGE WHEN COMPARED TO THE STATE? AND WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DO WE WANT TO DO ABOUT IT? SOME COMMUNITIES ARE OKAY WITH THAT. OTHERS WANT TO SAY NO, WE WANT TO. WE WANT TO TRY TO GET 100%. AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO CHANGE THAT PICTURE? AND, YOU KNOW, THE REAL CHALLENGE WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS YOUR YOUR TOOL IS REALLY THEIR INCENTIVES. AND THOSE ARE LIMITED IN SCOPE. BUT YOU DO HAVE THAT TOOL BEING UTILIZED WITH YOUR REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OR YOUR LAND USE, HOW YOU ZONE AND HOW YOU EITHER STIMULATE DEMAND OR RESTRICT DEMAND WITHIN WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY. BUT YOU CAN'T FORCE, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T GRAB A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT AND FORCE THEM TO COME TO YOUR COMMUNITY. YOU CREATE THE PLANS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THAT. AND WE'VE TRIED.

YES. SO YES, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS IN WESTWOOD, BUT WE CAN'T STATE LAW. YES. SO THERE MAY BE LEGISLATIVE LIMITATIONS THAT THAT CREATES SOME CHALLENGES THERE AS WELL.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST, MOST SIGNIFICANT AREAS OF LEAKAGE THAT WE HAVE IS THAT PEOPLE IN WEST JORDAN, IF THEY'RE BUYING A VEHICLE, THEY'RE GOING OUTSIDE OF WEST JORDAN, AND THAT NUMBER IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SMALL PURCHASE. IT'S A HIGH PRICED PURCHASE. SO THEY'RE GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO BUY VEHICLES. HOW DOES THAT 82% COMPARE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AROUND US LIKE TAYLORSVILLE, WEST VALLEY, SANDY, SOUTH JORDAN? YEAH, SOUTH JORDAN IS ACTUALLY SIMILAR IN IN. I'D HAVE TO GO DOUBLE CHECK. I THINK THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN YOU ARE, BUT I DIDN'T CHECK 100. TAYLORSVILLE. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT SANDY, BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE SANDY WITH THEIR DEAL WITH DEALERSHIPS AND THEIR RETAIL FOOTPRINT WOULD LIKELY HAVE A BETTER PICTURE HERE. BUT AGAIN, WE ALSO LOOK AT INCOMES. SO IF THERE IS A ALSO A HIGHER INCOME DISPARITY BETWEEN COMMUNITIES, THEN THAT PERCENTAGE CAN BE ADJUSTED BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY HAVE HIGHER INCOMES AND YOU WOULD EXPECT HIGHER DOLLAR SPENT. SO THIS IS AGAIN A MEASURING TOOL TO ALLOW TO ALLOW US TO SEE HOW WE'RE PERFORMING ON THE RETAIL SECTOR. BUT IT SHOULD JUST BE USED AS THAT. RIGHT. HOW DO WE INFORM USE THAT INFORMATION TO HELP INFORM POLICY DECISIONS AND INFLUENCE OUR DISCUSSION AROUND OUR ECONOMIC NODES AND HOW WE MIGHT ZONE DIFFERENTLY OR CREATE INCENTIVE PACKAGES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, IF WE WANT TO ADDRESS AND GET THAT HIGHER. AS I INDICATED, WE ALSO LOOKED AT YOUR EIGHT ACTIVE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY PROJECT AREAS AS WELL AS OTHER ECONOMIC NODES. SO SOME OF

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THIS WAS PULLED FROM OUR INPUT FROM THE STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH AND GENERAL INFORMATION THAT WAS GATHERED THROUGH THIS PROCESS. AND THEN A SIMILAR SWOT ANALYSIS WAS DONE FOR EACH PROJECT AREA OR OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME AREAS SPECIFICALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 7800 SOUTH TRAFFIC, NO MASTER PLAN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS MAYBE AN ISSUE. THAT OR WEAKNESS THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT. WELL, IN THAT TIME, AS WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THIS, THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY COMPLETED YOUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, WHICH HAS A VERY EFFECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WEB BASED INTERFACE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT ADDRESSES IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT, THAT SPECIFIC ROAD SEGMENT. SO THIS HIGHLIGHTS THIS IDEA OF A LIVING DOCUMENT, RIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO COMPLETE INITIATIVES THAT ADDRESS SOME OF THESE WEAKNESSES OR THREATS. AND YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT THOSE AND POTENTIALLY REMOVE THOSE FROM THE DOCUMENT OR OR REPLACE THOSE WITH ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS THAT YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON. BUT THAT'S JUST AN ELEMENT THAT THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT SHOWS HOW THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT.

IT SHOULD BE A LIVING DOCUMENT. WE ALSO HIGHLIGHTED THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM YOU AS A COUNCIL. REALLY, ALL OF YOU SAID YOU WANTED YOU WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE FOCUS ON THE CITY CENTER AND THAT BEING A PRIORITY. BRANDING AND HELPING PEOPLE LIKE ME UNDERSTAND ALL THAT WEST JORDAN HAS TO OFFER. SO GETTING THAT OUT FOR OTHERS TO SEE, ENSURING THAT WE HAVE A REGIONAL RETAIL FOCUS THAT'S ADDRESSING THAT SALES LEAKAGE AND SAYING, HOW CAN WE BRING MORE PEOPLE TO WEST JORDAN WHILE NOT FORGETTING ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THAT KEY COMPONENT OF YOUR ECONOMY, ENSURING THAT THERE'S A DIVERSE ECONOMY SO THAT IF THERE ARE FLUCTUATIONS IN ANY SPECIFIC SEGMENT, THAT YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY OVERBURDENED, AND THEN A FOCUS ON TRANSPORTATION, WHICH WHEN WE LOOK AT ECONOMIC, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TRANSPORTATION IS A KEY ACROSS ALL COMMUNITIES, ENSURING THAT PEOPLE, PRODUCTS, INDUSTRY CAN FLOW THROUGH COMMUNITY IS REALLY CRITICAL FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH. THIS IS A HIGHLIGHT OF THE 15 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CENTERS. AGAIN, SOME OF THESE ARE IN SPECIFIC PROJECT AREAS WHERE OTHERS ARE NOT. AND EACH ONE OF THESE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN A MAP. SO AGAIN THE IDEA IS YOU CAN OPEN THIS DOCUMENT, SEE WHERE THOSE ARE AND THE BOUNDARY OF THOSE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS, AND THEN TURN TO THE SECTION ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE ECONOMIC AREAS. AND LOOK AT THE SWOT ANALYSIS, THE GOALS AND STRATEGIES AND SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS RELATIVE TO THOSE AREAS. THIS IS REALLY AGAIN HELPFUL FOR ME AS I LEARNED ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY, TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, WHERE WHERE ARE THINGS HAPPENING. AND AGAIN, THE JUST THE EXPANSIVENESS OF WEST JORDAN AND THESE, THESE ECONOMIC NODES. THE OTHER ELEMENT THAT THIS ALLOWS FOR IS OFTEN COMMUNITIES WE CAN GET BLINDERS ON RELATIVE TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND A SPECIFIC AREA AND FAIL TO CONSIDER THE RAMIFICATIONS OF STRATEGIES ON OTHER ECONOMIC NODES WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY. SO WE DON'T WANT TO HARM ONE NODE WHILE WE'RE PROMOTING ANOTHER, RIGHT? SO THIS IS THE HOPES OF THIS IS TO GIVE YOU THAT BIGGER CONTEXT OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT THAT WEST JORDAN HAS TO OFFER. WE ALSO BROUGHT IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES, THE GOVERNING PILLARS, SO TO SPEAK, RELATIVE TO ECONOMIC GROWTH WITHIN WEST JORDAN. THIS IS BASED ON YOUR GENERAL PLAN AND YOUR EXISTING PLANNING DOCUMENTS. THE IDEA IS, CAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SHOULD ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN WEST JORDAN, PROMOTE A DIVERSE ECONOMY PLANNED FOR COMMERCIAL THAT SERVE RESIDENTS AND PROMOTE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND BUSINESS ENVIRONMENTS. I THINK THAT THAT THIRD BULLET POINT, THE PLAN FOR COMMERCIAL THAT SERVE RESIDENTS, THAT THAT IS A SHIFT WE'RE SEEING IN ESPECIALLY BRICK AND MORTAR RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. IT'S

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COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ANYTHING I CAN HELP ADDRESS YOU GO OVER IT JUST ONE MORE TIME. YEAH. YES, I'M GOING TO GO PAGE BY PAGE THIS TIME. ACTUALLY WE TOLD THEM NOT TO DO THAT. IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN EITHER CONTACT ME DIRECTLY. YOU CAN CONTACT PAUL OR MYSELF.

PAUL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU ALONG WITH FRED AND GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT ONE ON ONE.

IF YOU HAVE CERTAIN AREAS THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE HIGHLIGHTED OR GO OVER, OR JUST QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE DOCUMENT IS PRETTY LENGTHY. THERE'S A LOT OF DATA IN THERE THAT CAN TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO TRY TO WALK YOU THROUGH THAT IF THAT'S HELPFUL FOR YOU, I THOUGHT, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FEEDBACK, BUT I THOUGHT VERY INTERESTING.

THE TOP THREAT WAS UDOT'S PLANS FOR VERSUS THE CITY'S PLANS AND ACCESS TO PROPERTIES, AND HOW THAT AFFECTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE PROPERTIES. WE'VE SEEN THAT FIRSTHAND JUST IN RECENT WEEKS. AND ONE OF THE BENEFITS OR THE OUTCOMES OF THE STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH WAS SOME ADDITIONAL COORDINATION FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES RELATIVE TO THESE TYPES OF ISSUES. SO HOLDING REGULAR MEETINGS WITH UDOT, ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER, AND ENBRIDGE, I GUESS, IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLED NOW ENBRIDGE AND, YOU KNOW, NATURAL GAS AND SAYING, OKAY, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES THAT EACH ENTITY HAS RELATIVE TO GROWTH AND HOW THAT IS HOW THOSE SERVICES ARE ROLLED OUT FOR WEST JORDAN, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SUBSTANTIAL IMPACTS FROM AN ENERGY PERSPECTIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, RELATIVE TO THE TYPES OF INDUSTRY THAT WEST JORDAN HAS BEEN PROMOTING AND RECEIVING. SO THERE'S THAT WAS A POSITIVE WE SAW AS WE WENT THROUGH THE STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH. I THINK ONE OF THE BIG OPPORTUNITIES IN ALMOST ALL OF THESE WAS VACANT LOTS AND VACANT LAND. AND SO THAT'S, I THINK, WHERE THIS IS LIVING. I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BECOME LESS OPPORTUNITIES AND MORE STRENGTHS. YES YOU CAN DEFINITELY. OPPORTUNITIES TAKEN.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO COSTCO. WE HAVE A COUPLE SPOTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED COSTCO, TRADER JOE'S AMUSEMENT PARK AND THE STEAK HOUSE. YES. COME ON. THERE'S ONLY FOUR. THERE'S ONLY FOUR THINGS YOU NEED. PILLARS OF SUCCESS. THIS HAS ALREADY STARTED. I SAID WE HAVE ONE POWERPOINT. THAT'S FOUR BULLET POINTS. AND THAT WAS IT. SO THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FOUR BULLET POINTS. THAT'S ALL YOU NEED, RIGHT? MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES. IT'S A KIND OF A QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL AND KIND OF A QUESTION, DAVID AND FRED, FOR THE TWO OF YOU, THE INTERSECTION OF 90TH AND U111 IN YOUR LIST OF AREAS OF CONSIDERATION WAS INCLUDED IN THE GREATER SOUTHWEST QUADRANT AREA, BUT THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION IS PLANNED FOR SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OF A PLAN THAN THE BIGGER INDUSTRIAL ASSUMPTIONS OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE BROADER AREA. DO YOU WANT SHOULD THAT INTERSECTION BE CONSIDERED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE REST OF THE QUADRANT, OR ROLLED IN WITH THE REST OF QUADRANT? I WANT TO ISOLATE THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

YEAH. GREAT POINT. I THINK WE ISOLATE THAT. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC AREA AND LOOKING AT RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE WHOLE WEST SIDE, SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE PLAN AND DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO TWEAK

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[c. Discussion on External ADU Setbacks and Applicability to Lots Over 10,000 Square Feet]

SO THERE WOULD BE FRONTAGE. AND SO THE LEFT HOUSE IS A CORNER LOT. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A CORNER SIDE WHICH IS THE FRONTAGE SIDE, THE INTERIOR SIDE WHICH IS THE FRONTAGE SIDE, THE FRONT AND THE REAR. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ONE THAT IS NOT A CORNER LOT WHERE IT JUST HAS TWO INTERIOR SITES. THERE'S NOT A CORNER LOT. WHILE THIS SLIDE IS UP, THE PRIMARY SETBACK FROM THE DWELLING OR FROM THE HOUSE, THE YELLOW IS SIX FEET. FIRE CODE AND BUILDING CODE REQUIRE FIVE FEET. BUT FIVE FEET YOU HAVE TO HAVE HAD A COST OF A FIREWALL. IF YOU'RE FIVE FEET ONE YOU DON'T NEED TO DO FIVE FEET ONE. YOU DON'T NEED TO DO A FIREWALL. THE BELIEF IS THAT WE JUST KEEP IT AT SIX FEET. IT PROVIDES A LITTLE EXTRA BUFFER. IT HELPS REDUCE THE COST OF BUILDING AN ADU. THE NEXT THING. SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A HOUSE. NOW THIS CORNER LOT FACES TO THE LEFT SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE FRONT YARD THE REAR YARD HOW THE CORNER SIDE YARD ARE ALL ALL SET TOGETHER. AND THEN THAT INTERIOR HOME WITHOUT FRONTAGE. YOU SEE THE REAR, THE TWO SIDES AND THE FRONT YARD. SO THERE WERE SOME COMPARISONS ON PEER CITIES. I KNOW THIS IS REALLY TINY, BUT WE MADE IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR YOU GRAPHICALLY. OR TAYLOR DID, I SHOULD SAY SO IN OTHER CITIES.

THIS IS TAYLORSVILLE. THE BLUE AREA REPRESENTS WHERE AN ADU WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THE CITY OF TAYLORSVILLE. THIS ONE IS MIDVALE. YOU CAN SEE IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. THIS IS MILL CREEK. THIS IS WEST JORDAN. OUR TOWER DEFINED RIGHT NOW. WE'RE PRETTY WE'RE PRETTY RESTRICTIVE.

THEN WE'RE PRETTY RESTRICTIVE. SO, SO ONE THING THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO BRING UP IS THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF CITIES LISTED THAT SAYS SUV, WHICH MEANS SAME AS UNDERLYING ZONE.

AND SO IT'S LIKE YOU CAN SEE DRAPER'S THAT WAY. THAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY BUILDING SETBACKS.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, COMPARING IT TO US, WE'RE ACTUALLY MORE PERMISSIVE THAN THAT IN THOSE SETS BECAUSE MOST CITIES HAVE LIKE A 25 FOOT REAR, THE 8 OR 10 FOOT SIDE SETBACKS ON THOSE. SO WE DON'T MAP THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST THE SAME AS THEIR STANDARD BUILDING BLOCK.

RIGHT. AND I, I AGREE WITH WHAT WHAT TAYLOR IS SAYING THE COUNCIL WANTED, IT FELT LIKE TO ME FROM THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD BACK IN MARCH, THAT YOU WANT TO BE A LITTLE MORE PERMISSIVE ON EXTERNAL ADUS JUST TO HELP WITH HOUSING. THAT'S THE YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT YARD TEN FOOT BEHIND THE MAIN THREE FEET FOR THE SIDE, EIGHT FEET. WERE. THE SETBACK FROM THE HOUSE IS SIX FEET. THE REAR SETBACK IS 15FT. SO FROM THE BACK FENCE BACK PROPERTY LINE TO YOUR CLOSEST EXTERNAL ADU IS 15FT. SO THAT WOULD BE THE REAR YARD. SO YOU GOT FIVE FEET, TWO FEET, FIVE FEET. IF YOU HAD FROSTED WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, FOR BECAUSE YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY TEN FEET WITH, I DON'T KNOW, NO WINDOWS, FIVE FEET. WHAT IS THAT? SO. SO THAT'S A NORTH SALT LAKE. YOU CAN BE TEN FEET AWAY FROM THE CORNER SIDE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A WINDOW, YOU

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SO IT'S LIKE THE BUY ONE, GET ONE FREE, BUT THE FREE IS THE ONE OF LESSER VALUE, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, WELL, IF THAT ONE COSTS MORE THEN THAT'S THE ONE YOU PAY FOR. SO THOSE ARE JUST THINGS AS WE AS WE SHOW THE CODE. SO ON LINES 12 THROUGH 14, THAT IS WHAT YOU HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED.

THIS IS JUST ALLOWING EXTERNAL ADUS ON SINGLE FAMILY PARCELS GREATER THAN 10,000FT■!S AND LARGER LINES 12, 13 AND 14. WHAT WE WANT TO DO TONIGHT IS 21 THROUGH 24. MY RECOMMENDATION, AND I THINK PAUL AND DOUG'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL IS YOU KEEP THE SIX FEET AS IT IS FROM THE PRIMARY DWELLING UNIT. SO YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH THE FIREWALLS. THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER. SO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE 15FT FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, EIGHT FEET FROM THE INTERNAL SIDE. THAT'S THE NON FRONTAGE SIDE AND 20FT FROM THE CORNER SIDE PROPERTY LINE. IF THOSE NUMBERS ARE ARE SUITABLE. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

DON'T THOSE NUMBERS CHANGE BASED ON THE BUILDING HEIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. CAN WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS CHANGE BASED ON THE BUILDING HEIGHT? LIKE IF YOU'RE BUILDING A GARAGE IN YOUR BACKYARD? IT DOES, DOESN'T IT? YEAH. DETACHED STRUCTURES.

YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S A SHED. THAT'S NOT A DWELLING UNIT. SO THOSE NUMBERS IF YOU WANT. BUT IF YOU LIVE IN YOUR SHED. YOU CAN'T, YOU SHOULDN'T. OR I'M GOING TO SAY IN TROUBLE. IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE OF A THERE'S FEWER AND FEWER ALTERNATIVES FOR SOME PEOPLE.

SO. WELL THERE ARE I THINK THAT'S WHY THE COUNCIL WANTED TO TALK ABOUT EXTERNAL ADUS BEING A LITTLE MORE PERMISSIBLE WITHIN THE CITY. YEAH. AND HAVING A GOOD REASON TO SAY WHY YOU CAN'T LIVE IN YOUR SHED. I MEAN, AND WHERE DOES AT WHAT POINT DO YOU CROSS? I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SOME PRETTY DANG NICE SHEDS, RIGHT? THOSE TOUGH SHED COMMERCIALS, RIGHT? YOU CAN LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE. YOU CAN IF YOU BUILD IT TO THE CODE FOR DWELLING. WATER AND SEWER ELECTRICITY. BATHROOM HAS TO HAVE A KITCHEN. A KITCHEN HAS TO MEET THE MODEL ENERGY CODE. SERVICE SO YOU CAN LIVE.

THAT'S ONLY IF THAT'S ONLY. THAT'S ONLY IF YOU WANT TO DO IT ACCORDING TO THE CODE. THAT'S TRUE. IF I JUST WANTED TO LIVE IN A SHED, IF MY WIFE KICKS ME OUT JUST FOR ONE MINUTE, TROUBLE, RIGHT? THEY CAN'T BUY ME LOVE FOR ONE NIGHT. CAN'T GIVE ME A CALL. YEAH, WELL, LET'S JUST STAY WITH US. I GOT I GOT SOME ROOM DOWNSTAIRS. MY WIFE TOLD ME SHE WANTED TO. SHE SHED FOR ALL OF HER CRAFTING STUFF THE OTHER NIGHT. SO. YEAH. I'M NOT GOING. THANK YOU. MIGHT COME HOME AND SHE MIGHT HAVE ALREADY GONE THERE. YEAH. SO CAN I ASK THE QUESTION THAT'S BEEN BUGGING ME THE MOST ABOUT THIS? ARE WE HAVING PEOPLE WANTING ADUS THAT CAN'T BECAUSE OF THESE NUMBERS? YES. HOW MANY? LIKE ONE A MONTH? TWO A MONTH? OFTEN? I DO NOT FEEL THOSE QUESTIONS.

UNFORTUNATELY, MR. GARDNER CAN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT. OKAY. YEAH. WE DOCUMENT HOW MANY PEOPLE CALL THEIR SETBACKS. DON'T ALLOW FOR ABUSE, AND THEY DON'T LIKE THE 15 FOOT SETBACK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT, IS IT SEEMS LIKE OTHER SETBACKS. THE SIDE EFFECTS ARE FINE. SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE REAR SETBACK. I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY GET EQUAL CALLS SAYING, WHY IS THE SETBACK SO BIG TO WHY IS MY NEIGHBOR HAVE A SECOND HOUSE IN THEIR BACKYARD SO CLOSE TO OUR HOUSE? SO WE GIVE THEM BOTH FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE. VERY GOOD. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A POINT. SO MY NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE ON LELAND. THOSE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT

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NOBODY'S ACTUALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT. IT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? EVERYBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT, OH, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF YOU BUILD THAT AND SOMEBODY COULD LOOK, NEVER MIND THAT. THERE'S ALREADY WINDOWS THAT CAN LOOK INTO THE BACKYARD. NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE. YOU HAVE A TWO STORY HOUSE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S HIGHER THAN THE FENCE I SEE IN MY. I CAN SEE MY NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD AND WITH HILLS AND THERE'S. SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF MAYBE THE FROSTED WINDOW OR NO WINDOWS IF WE'RE GOING TO GO A CERTAIN HEIGHT OR A CERTAIN DISTANCE. RIGHT? YEAH. MAYBE. SO. SO HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S A THOUGHT. I MEAN, I LIKE THAT I LIKE THE IDEA OF SIMPLE AND CONSISTENT. IF AND I AGREE THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THEIR GARAGES FOR SHOPS. AND A LOT OF TIMES THE SHOP AS A WHOLE LOT NOISIER THAN SOMEBODY LIVING IN THERE BECAUSE THEY GOT MACHINES GOING AND POWER SAWS AND PLANERS AND AIR COMPRESSORS AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH THAT I. YES. SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SAME SETBACKS AS A GARAGE. BUT BUT WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF WE COULD INSERT SOMETHING THAT IF IT'S THE SAME SETBACK AS A GARAGE AND IT'S HIGHER THAN 17FT, IT JUST HAS TO HAVE FROSTED WINDOWS ON THE SIDE THAT FACES THE NEIGHBOR. AND WE CALL IT AND, AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THE FROSTED WINDOW, THEN THE SETBACK IS THAT FOOT FOR EVERYTHING GREATER THAN 17FT. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU COULD BE WITHIN SIX FEET HIGHER THAN 17FT IF YOU HAVE A FROSTED WINDOW? YEP. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT. THAT'S EVEN LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT I WAS. SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY? YEAH, SORRY. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY PLEASE KEEP IN MIND IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ELIMINATING WINDOWS, THAT IT'S A DWELLING THAT HAS BEDROOMS, HAVE REQUIRED EGRESS OUT. UNDER A CERTAIN SIZE. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT WINDOW SO YOU COULD ELIMINATE IT COULD BE FROSTED. SURE. BUT THEY OPEN IT. BUT IF THEY COULD DO A SKYLIGHT WITH A LADDER. SO IT'S A MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, SIZE WINDOW, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE A FROSTED FOUR FOOT BY FOUR FOOT WINDOW IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A STANDARD ONE, SO YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH POTENTIAL OF THAT. SO IT'S THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO GO WELL, BUT THAT'S THAT'S ONLY THAT'S THE TRADE OFF. RIGHT. YOU CAN PULL IT BACK OR YOU CAN PULL IT BACK, WHICH MEANS YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD IT, OR YOU PUT A FROSTED WINDOW IN IT AND YOU CAN BUILD IT. DON'T BUILD IT AS HIGH OR DON'T BUILD IT AS OPEN A VOLTAGE. YOU OPEN THE FROST, RIGHT? THAT'S TRUE. IT'S NOT. FROST. THAT'S RIGHT. SO LET'S GET LET'S GET BACK TO THE SETBACKS. ARE WE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE SETBACKS TO SIX AND SIX? WHATEVER THE GARAGE ONE IS. SO I'M LOOKING AT LINE FIVE. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THREE FEET FROM. NO I'M NOT I THINK SIX FEET. SIX FEET FROM SIX FEET FROM SIDE. I'M COMFORTABLE. SELFISHLY, I'D LIKE IT TO BE FOUR FEET BECAUSE I LIKE TO TURN THE GARAGE INTO.

BUT OVERALL IT WASN'T BUILT AS AN ADD AS A DWELLING, BUILD AS A DWELLING. SO YOU HAVE TO BE FOUR FEET. FOUR FEET AGAIN. SO YOU'RE SAYING SIX FEET ON LINE, 22, SIX FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, IS THAT WHERE I HAVE CONSENSUS? YEAH, WE HAVE SIX FEET FROM THE SIX FROM THE INTERNAL SIDE. YES. AND THEN WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO ON THE CORNER SIDE. THAT'S THE CORNER THAT FACES A 20 IS TOO MUCH. ONE IS A LOT. YEAH. WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT. YEAH. IT SHOWS THE CORNER SIDE. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. AT 20 2020 MEANS IT'S GOT TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BACKYARD.

IT'S TEN OKAY. ON THE CORNER SIDE WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES. I WISH WE HAD A DIFFERENT GRAPHIC THAT IF WE REALLY HAVEN'T COME ACROSS THIS WITH ADUS BUT WITH SHEDS. YEAH.

THERE WE GO. WHERE YOU HAVE A HAVE SOMEBODY WHO. LIKE IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER HOUSE UP HERE IN THEIR FRONT YARD SOMETIMES, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS IS SLID UP, THEY CAN PUT A SHED OR WHATEVER RIGHT HERE. AND IT'S BASICALLY IN THIS PERSON'S FRONT YARD AND IT BLOCKS DRIVEWAY

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YEAH, THEY'VE GOT MORE LAND. WELL, AND I THINK IT'D BE IF IT JUST SAID A THING WHERE WHATEVER. IF YOU JUST MADE IT EVEN WITH WHATEVER THE HOUSE IS THERE. YEAH. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT IS NOW, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO SOME OF THOSE ARE GOING TO CHANGE. AND THE GARAGE CODE IS FOR CORNER SIDE LOTS AS THE GARAGE CODE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S 2020. THERE'S 20FT. YEAH. WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE HOUSE RIGHT. IS THE HOUSE OKAY. SO THERE WE GO. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT ONE THEN. YEAH. AND IF IT'S THE SAME AS THE HOUSE, I CAN LIVE WITH IT. YEAH. THAT'S JUST. YEAH.

EVEN IT UP WITH THE HOUSE THEN I'M GUESSING BECAUSE THEN YOU COULD PUT A GARAGE THERE ONCE IT'S EVEN WITH THE HOUSE. IF YOU HAD SIDE. IT'S BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SAYING THEN IS WITH THE GARAGE IS THAT YOU COULD HAVE A GARAGE COME IN FROM THE CORNER. AS LONG AS IT'S SET BACK 20FT, YOU COULD PUT ANOTHER DRIVEWAY AND GO IN FROM IT FROM THE OTHER STREET. DEPENDING ON THE ENGINEERING REVIEW, IF THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE WITH THE SECONDARY ACCESS TO ACCESS POINTS ONTO THAT PROPERTY. YEAH, WE WOULD DEFER TO OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT THAT BUT IT COULD CONCEIVABLY HAPPEN THAT WAY. YES IT COULD. AND AS LONG AS AS LONG AS THAT IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

YEAH. BUT THE SIDE YARD THEY NEVER GET THAT CONSENSUS I'M HEARING IS SIX SIX AND LEAVE IT AT 20. YES. OKAY. SO IF YOU WANT. DID YOU, DID YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT FROSTED GLASS. NO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO FROSTED. NO. BUT WE DO WANT IT THAT. BUT AS IT GROWS IN HEIGHT THAT IT GOES HAS TO GO. WELL, I LIKE IT. YEAH. IF IT GROWS IN HEIGHT, IT HAS TO GO BACK. UNLESS YOU DO FROSTED GLASS, I LIKE THAT. I LIKE THAT COMPROMISE. I HAVE FOUR OF YOU.

HOW DO YOU WRITE THAT? RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE A FROSTED GLASS SO THAT SO THAT YOU CAN'T LOOK DOWN IN YOUR NEIGHBORS. ARE YOU OPEN THE WINDOW, BUT YOU OPEN THE WINDOW AND YOU SAY, OH, JOE. DO IT.

HEY, NEIGHBOR. NICE. NICE NICE NICE NICE. OH NEVER MIND. YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO GET FROSTED WINDOWS FOR SURE, BUT I DO FEEL IF IT'S A TWO STORY SETBACK SHOULD BE DIFFERENT. OKAY, I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO, BUT I WOULD. YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO. WHAT ARE WE WITH THE TWO STORY SETBACK? WELL, I THINK IT'S JUST A MEASUREMENT. LIKE WHAT SCOTT SAID FOR EVERY FOOT OVER OVER 17FT, IT'S MOVED OVER. MOVED BACK A FOOT. YEAH. STARTING AT SIX FEET THE HIGHER IT GETS. IT WAS 22 FOOT TWO STORY HOUSE. THAT'S FIVE FEET AWAY. SO IT'S PRETTY SENIOR CLUB TOO CLOSE TO THE DWELLING. SO ARE THERE LAWS AGAINST BUILDING A THIRD STORY? IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL AS AT 30 OR 35, 30, 35FT, BUT IT'S 30, IT'S 35 MEASURED FROM THE GROUND TO THE PEAK. IT USED TO BE 30, MEASURED FROM THE GROUND TO THE CENTER OF THE HALFWAY POINT OF THE ANGLE. AND WE COULD NEVER FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HECK THAT WAS. I SWEAR I SAW A HOUSE IN DIXIE VALLEY WHERE THEY BUILT SOMETHING OVER THE GARAGE. AND ANOTHER STORY. YOU CAN DO ANYTHING RIGHT UP UNTIL THE CITY SKYWALK FROM MY ADU TO THE TOP OF MY HEAD. THERE YOU GO. OKAY, SO IT'S SIX, SIX, 20 AND THE REAR SETBACK IS STEPPED SIX FEET PLUS FOOT FOR EVERY. THEY'RE ALL I THINK THEY WOULD ALL BE STEPPED. YEP. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT SCOTT, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING. TAYLOR. DUNCAN. OH, IF I CAN'T MAKE A DISTINCTION FOR EVERYONE'S EDIFICATION HERE. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT. THE FIRE CODE HAS WHAT THEY CALL THE 150 FOOT HOSE LENGTH RULE. NOW, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND THEY'VE GOT AN ACRE OF PROPERTY AND THEY WANT TO DO A FLAG LOT ON IT. SO THEN I HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT THAT BACK HOUSE IS WITHIN THAT 150 FOOT. OTHERWISE THEY HAVE TO PUT A FLAG LOT IN THERE. NOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING TONIGHT IS DIFFERENT. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THIS DISTINCTION HERE. THE ADU IS NOT. A FLAG LOT HOME. OUR PLANNING PEOPLE WILL DEAL WITH THAT IF THEY THEY SUBMIT TO DO A SUBDIVISION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THESE ADUS GENERALLY WE CAN REACH ALL THE WAY AROUND TO GET THE SECOND HOUSE FROM THE MAIN ROAD. YOU CAN SHOOT IT FROM THE TILLER TRUCK WHEN IT WORKS WELL. YEAH, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. YOU GOT TO GET IT THERE. SO JUST JUST BE AWARE. IF YOU HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT FLAG LOTS THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THIS THAN THE ADU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. YEAH. WE'RE GOOD THERE. THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. I TOLD YOU THEY'D BE THE MOST EXCITING THING TONIGHT. YEAH. WE

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[d. Discussion Regarding a Proposal to Exempt Townhomes from the Balanced Housing Ordinance]

SO A FEW MONTHS AGO I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY NOW, BUT IT'S BEEN AT LEAST 2 OR 3. SO WE WERE DIRECTED TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING EXEMPTIONS TO THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE FOR TOWNHOMES. SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO SOME ISSUES. WE'LL PRESENT THOSE AND THEN WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON HOW THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO PROCEED. WE JUST KIND OF IGNORE THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE ANYWAY. JUST SCRAP THE QUESTION ONE THING BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. SO BEFORE I GOT ON THE COUNCIL, I DIDN'T KNOW THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE EXIST. AND SO WHEN I GOT ON AND KAITLYN WAS ELECTED AS WELL, I REALLY STARTED KIND OF GOING INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT AS I SAW IT, I'D GO TO OTHER CITIES, NAMELY HARRIMAN, LEHI, SARATOGA SPRINGS. I AM SO GLAD THEY PUT THIS IN BEFORE I WAS IN, BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH IN OTHER CITIES AND HOW CRAZY IT IS. AND WHILE WE DO HAVE GROWTH, AND WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF HIGH DENSITY IN SOME PLACES, WE DON'T HAVE NEAR AS BAD AS WHAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE CAME FROM. IT WAS BECAUSE OF YOUR FIGHTS OVER THE COLOSIMO PROJECT. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHERE I WAS ONE OF THEM. YEAH, BUT THAT HELPED PUSH IT. IT DID SO. SO JUST ONE THING WE WANTED TO BRING UP WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS DISCUSSION IS THE STATE DOES REGULATE WHEN WE CAN ENFORCE DESIGN STANDARDS ON TOWNHOMES. SO IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING BUILDING DESIGN ELEMENTS, WHICH INCLUDE COLOR, MATERIAL, STYLE, ALL THAT STUFF YOU CAN SEE THERE. WE CAN'T REGULATE THAT UNLESS THERE'S AN UNLESS THERE'S AN MDA OR AN EXCHANGE FOR ADDITIONAL DENSITY. SO THE APPLICANT HAS TO COME AND BASICALLY ASK US FOR SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GRANTING THEM. AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME WE CAN REGULATE THOSE THINGS. WHICH LEADS US TO WHAT WE FEEL ARE THREE QUESTIONS OR OPTIONS. IF WE DO WANT TO OPEN UP TOWNHOMES FIRST, WE CAN PERMIT THEM AND SELECT RESIDENTIAL ZONES, BUT BE UNABLE TO ENFORCE DESIGN CRITERIA. SECOND, WE COULD CREATE A NEW ZONE OR AN OVERLAY THAT THEY CAN APPLY FOR AND APPLYING FOR THAT. THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO REGULATE DESIGN. OR THIRD, WE COULD AMEND OUR EXISTING ORDINANCES SO APPLICANTS CAN CHOOSE TO ENTER INTO AN MDA WHICH WOULD ALLOW TOWNHOMES. SO TOWNHOMES WOULD BE AN OPTION. YOU HAVE TO COME AND PROPOSE SORT OF LIKE AN OVERLAY BUT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OR. YEAH, WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE A ZONE THAT ALLOWS FOR TOWNHOMES. THAT'S AN EXCEPTION. AND THAT'S THE INTEGRATED HOUSING, CORRECT.

AND SO THAT IS THAT IS TRUE. AND WE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE WERE LOOKING MOSTLY AT R2 AND R3 PROPERTIES. THESE ARE ZONES. I MEAN RECENTLY ALREADY OPENED UP THE R2 TO TOWNHOMES I THINK ON PROPERTIES THAT HADN'T BEEN DEVELOPED. AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED OUR DISCUSSION AS LET'S LOOK AT R2 AND R3, BECAUSE THESE ARE ZONES. IN THE PAST WE'VE ALREADY BEEN ALLOWING FOR TOWNHOMES AND TO SEE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE ON THESE ONES, OR IF YOU WANTED TO GO BEYOND THE SCOPE. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO GO BACK TO QUESTIONS WE HAD JUST TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IF WE DO DECIDE TO GRANT AN EXCEPTION TO THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE, TO WHAT EXTENT DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW THOSE EXISTING ZONES WHERE WE HAD ALREADY DESIGNATED THAT LIKE THE R2 AND R3, WHICH I'LL BRING UP, OR DO WE WANT TO OPEN THIS UP MORE WHOLESALE? AND THEN IF WE OPEN IT UP, DO WE WANT TO ALLOW INCREASED DENSITY, OR DO WE WANT TO JUST HAVE THE SAME DENSITY AS THE UNDERLYING ZONING ALREADY HAS? AND THEN WOULD YOU WANT TO TARGET SPECIFIC AREAS AND IF SO, WHERE. SO THIS GOES BACK INTO OUR R2 AND R3 ZONES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEFINED.

THE ORANGE PARCELS ARE R2, THE BLUE ARE R3, AND THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT DO NOT HAVE THE SENIOR HOUSING OVERLAY ON IT. BUT THEY ALREADY ARE THESE DEVELOPED BUILT FOR THE MOST PART. MOST OF THESE ARE BUILT. THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE THAT AREN'T. BUT IF YOU OPEN IT UP TO TOWNHOMES, YOU ALWAYS OPEN UP THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT REDEVELOP. SOME OF THEY WANT TO REZONE THEIR PROPERTY FROM R1 EIGHT TO YEAH, IT'S A GOOD PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE IT YOU REALIZE THAT, YEAH, IT APPLIES TO A LOT OF PARCELS. BUT IT'S REALLY AS A PERCENTAGE. IT'S REALLY NOT IT'S NOT LIKE REZONING THE WHOLE CITY, EXCEPT FOR SOMEBODY THAT WOULD WANT TO COME IN AND SAY, I WANT NO, NO, I WANT TO, I WANT TO REZONE THE R1 EIGHT TO R2 AND THEN DOUBLE

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AND IRC MAPS ARE DIFFERENT THAN DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. RIGHT. DIFFERENT DWELLING UNITS HAVE DIFFERENT. CORRECT FACTORS THAT GO. WE CAN'T REALLY COUNT THEM DIFFERENTLY. WE HAVE TO COUNT EVERY UNIT THE SAME, EVERY RESIDENTIAL UNIT. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT USE DIFFERENT ERCS, WE HAVE TO CALCULATE THEM. SO A 400 SQUARE FOOT ONE BEDROOM HOUSE IS THE SAME WATER REQUIREMENT, 2500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AS A 4000 SQUARE FOOT EIGHT BEDROOM HOUSE, WE'RE GOING TO STAY LONG, RIGHT? WITH THE HALF ACRE YARD. YEAH, WITH THE HALF ACRE YARD. YEAH. ALLEN'S THAT WE SAW EARLIER. DOESN'T MAKE A DAMN BIT OF SENSE, DOES IT? LET ME TELL YOU HOW THEY DO IT THOUGH. SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ASSIGN EACH EACH IRC A NUMBER AND THEY GET THAT NUMBER THROUGH OUR RECORDS, THE AVERAGE AVERAGE. RIGHT. SO THAT'S HOW THEY'RE DOING. THAT IS THEY'RE TAKING AN AGGREGATE OF EVERYONE AND THEN CALLING EVERYONE THE SAME. SO THAT'S HOW THE STATE DOES THAT. CALLING EVERY LOT TO SAY ALL RESIDENTIAL, LOTS EVERYWHERE. TAKE THE AGGREGATE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT EVERY RESIDENTIAL UNIT IN WEST JORDAN IS. AND THEN THEY TAKE HOW MANY WE HAVE AND THEY ASSIGN A, AN ARBITRARY VALUE TO EACH, TO EACH HOME. SO THAT THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE IN A WORLD OF WEST JORDAN, 20 YEARS AGO, WHEN ALL THE HOUSES WERE ON 8000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, RIGHT? PLAY WITH ME FOR A SECOND. RIGHT? THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THAT'S MORE HOMOGENEITY ON THE WATER. OH, YEAH, THAT'S WHY. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. YEAH.

THIS IS WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP THOUGH, IS BECAUSE IF THIS IS A IF, IF, IF THIS IS HOW THEY'RE CALCULATING, BUT THE STATE IS TELLING US MORE SMALLER LOTS PLEASE. MORE STARTER HOMES, MORE SMALLER, MORE SMALLER STARTER HOMES, MORE HOMES FOR THE FOR THE KIDS. THE KIDS. I CAN SAY THIS BECAUSE THIS IS MY KIDS, THE 22, 23, 24 YEAR OLDS WHO ARE GETTING MARRIED AND HAVING ONE KID AND HAVE SMALL WATER NEEDS, SMALL HOUSEHOLD NEEDS, AND THE STATE IS PUSHING THAT. IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO HARD TO PUSH. CALL UP OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND SAY, HEY, THE STATE IS ASKING FOR THESE. YOUR CURRENT WATER LAW IS HAMSTRINGING US HERE. THAT'S NOT US, THAT'S YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. YOU CAN CHANGE THAT. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THERE ARE MANY DISCUSSIONS HAPPENING ABOUT THIS AT THE STATE LEVEL RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'LL END UP WITH THAT OR WHEN CHANGE WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN IS ANYONE'S GUESS. BUT THE CHALLENGES IMPOSED BY THE CURRENT SETUP ARE ARE PRETTY WELL RECOGNIZED. WELL, THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW, BUT I THINK I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE A CONVERSATION THAT CAN BE HAD. GRAB STEVE WALDRIP AND GRAB RAY WARD AND GRAB. LET'S GO HAVE A SEAT AND CHAT ABOUT THIS. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M THE GUY ON THE WATER BOARD, TOO. I CAN DO THIS FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE IF I NEED TO. RIGHT? IF THAT. IF THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO COME AT IT FROM THE JORDAN VALLEY WATER SIDE AND LESS SENSE TO COME OUT OF THE CITY SIDE. BUT I THINK INASMUCH AS CITIES ARE IN THE CROSSHAIRS OF THIS, OF THIS STATE WANTING TO BUILD MORE SMALLER HOMES, AND THEY'RE SAYING CITIES ARE IN THE CROSSHAIRS AS BEING PART OF THE PROBLEM. WE CAN SAY, HERE'S A CITY WHO WANTS TO WANTS TO FALL IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE TELLING US. AND HERE'S THE BARRIER WE'RE RUNNING AGAINST, AND IT'S YOUR BARRIER. SO WHY DON'T YOU WORK WITH US ON HOW WE CAN GET AROUND THIS BARRIER? LET'S TALK AFTER. I THINK THAT'S AN EASY CONVERSATION TO BRING UP WITH.

WITH THE STATE, WITH. YOU AND I WILL GET TOGETHER. AND LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION LIKE, I WANT TO DO THIS ON RECORD. YOU WANT TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE WE'VE STARTED THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM. BUT IF WE IF THE COUNCIL SELECTS A FEW ZONES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THESE, THESE TOWNHOME UNITS TO GO, IT FORCES US THROUGH THIS, THIS LEGISLATIVE PROCESS WHERE WE CAN DO UTILITY ANALYSIS. WE CAN LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL THOSE CRITERIA IN YOUR CODE AND SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE. THIS WAS A CAUTIOUS FIRST STEP THAT THAT WE'VE ASKED TAYLOR TO TAKE BY LOOKING AT JUST THE R2 AND R3 ZONES, BECAUSE I THINK, COUNCILMEMBER JACOB, YOU BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT MOST OF THOSE COLORS ON THAT MAP, THEY'RE ALREADY BUILT. SO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME AND ASK FOR THE COUNCIL. YOU HAVE THAT

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SO WHAT WHAT WE DON'T SEE UP THERE ARE THE PC AND INTEGRATED. HOW THE I'M SORRY THE PC, THE PC, THE PC AND THE INTEGRATED HOUSING WHERE WE HAVE ALLOWED THAT ALREADY IN THE PROCESS. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TAKING MAYBE A STEP FURTHER. BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHATEVER THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD OF TOWNHOMES BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK. WE'VE SEEN WE'VE SEEN WHAT? THAT IRONMAN ALL OVER THE PLACE. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, IS, YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN HARRIMAN, AND WE DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE CITY IS TOWNHOMES. IT IS WITH NO OPEN SPACE. YEAH. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO TOWNHOMES, IT'S GOT TO BE MIXED WITH OTHER HOUSING TYPES. AND YOU KNOW TOWNHOMES. TOWNHOMES ARE A GREAT STARTER.

THEY CAN BE A GOOD STARTER HOME. YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S HOW I STARTED BEFORE I MOVED INTO MY HOUSE NOW IS THAT I OWNED A I OWNED A DUPLEX WITH THE FAMILY AND I LIVED IN ONE HALF AND OTHER FAMILY LIVED IN THE OTHER. THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD IT'S A GOOD. TOWNHOMES ARE A GOOD WAY TO START BECAUSE THEY CAN BE MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE OF THE SHARED LAW. WHAT WOULD YOU THINK OF THIS AS AN IDEA. AND THIS IS SEPARATE FROM THAT. BUT TAKING MAYBE A PRD WITH AN OVERLAY FOR TO ALLOW MORE TOWNHOMES THAN THE 13% OR 17 OR 22% OR WHATEVER, 17% THAT NUMBER'S BEEN DISCUSSED MANY TIMES. BUT WE TAKE A WE ALLOW A PRD ZONE, WE TAKE OUT THE MINIMUM ACREAGE PART OF IT. SO YOU HAVE TO COME WITH A MASTER PLAN. WE SAY TOWNHOMES CAN BE 50% RIGHT, BUT NOT 100%, BUT 50% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS WORKED INTO IT. AND NOW NOW YOUR PRD ZONE HAS TO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE COUNCIL GETS TO SAY WHAT YOUR DENSITY IS AND EVERYTHING ELSE INTEGRATED HOUSING IS BASICALLY THAT NOW. YEAH. BUT WE HAVE THE ACREAGE LIMITATIONS ON IT DOES HAVE AN ACREAGE LIMITATION. SO WHAT IF WE GOT RID OF SO DO WE. WELL THAT'S THAT'S A QUESTION. DO WE JUST MODIFY THE INTEGRATED HOUSING ZONE TO, TO MESS TO TAKE OFF THE ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS. AND IT JUST HAS TO BE MASTER PLANNED. THAT INTEGRATES THAT AND CALL IT THE. OVERLAY. NO, NO I JUST SEE IT WRITTEN. ON ON OUR AGENDA. TAYLOR. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT JUST TO REMOVE IT. TOTALLY BALANCED HOUSING, YOU KNOW. NO, I THINK BUT I THINK THERE'S I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR NOW ALSO NEW DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE A CLEAR PATH FORWARD OF LIKE HERE'S A WAY TO DO A MIXED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT WAY NEW DEVELOPMENT IS JUST UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. IF YOU DO A PRD, YOU PLAN IT OUT ITS MASTER PLAN KIND OF FORM BASED, YOU KNOW, AND SURE, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD SAY. I WOULD SAY TAKE, TAKE, TAKE THE BECAUSE IT IS IT IS A PLANNED COMMUNITY HAS TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOT SOME OPEN SPACE. AND LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS AND, AND MAYBE WE PULL OUT THE BECAUSE IT'S GOT THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S GOT THE COMMUNITY HOUSING THAT COULD STILL STAY IN IT FOR SOME AFFORDABILITY ISSUES THAT THAT AND SCOTT, MAYBE THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME. JUST THINK ABOUT THIS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COUNCIL SITS. BUT IF WE USE THE INTEGRATED HOUSING AND WE WENT TO SIX UNITS AN ACR,

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JUST TO LET YOU KNOW AS WE MOVE FORWARD TODAY AND OPEN RTA AND CLOSED RTA CLOSED. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THE OPEN BUSINESS FIRST. ARE WE GOING TO CLOSE IT, GO TO THE CLOSED BUSINESS, GO BACK OUT AND DO ALL THE OPEN BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO BACK ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. WE'LL DO THE OPEN BUSINESS WILL BE PRETTY QUICK. OKAY. AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WILL TAKE AMENDING THE BUDGET FIVE TEN MINUTES. SO ALL RIGHT, I WILL ADJOURN OUR COMMITTEE OF

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.