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          ALL THE OTHER THINGS. ARE YOU READY? FOR? GOOD EVENING. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE CITY OF WEST 
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 Discussion of the Sugar Factory on the Creek Townhomes Development Concept Plan]
JORDAN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO ORDER. FIRST UP, WE HAVE DISCUSS DISCUSSION OF SUGAR FACTORY ON THE CREEK TOWNHOMES DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT PLAN. MARK FORSYTHE IS THE PLANNER. DALE BENNETT IS THE APPLICANT. IS. OH, AND PAMELA BLUM IS EXCUSED, BUT MAY BE JOINING REMOTELY SOMETIME. ALL RIGHT. MARK. FLOOR IS YOURS. OH, BEFORE WE START, THOUGH, I WANTED TO SAY FOR OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM, DENISE NEEDS ABOUT 45 MINUTES. SO I'D LIKE TO GIVE EACH OF THESE ABOUT 30 MINUTES. 
          AND THAT SHOULD GET US ALL RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS NOT VISIONARY SQUARE. 
          THIS IS SUGAR FACTORY ON THE CREEK. I GUESS THE LAST MINUTE CHANGE DIDN'T MAKE IT IN. SO THIS IS A PETITION BY DALE BENNETT WITH BENCHMARK CIVIL. HE'S THE ENGINEER WITH THE APPLICANT. A 23 UNIT TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT JUST DOWN THE STREET HERE IN OUR CITY CENTER ZONE. SO WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS REZONE THREE PARCELS FROM THE CITY CENTER FRAME ZONE TO THE CITY CENTER, RESIDENTIAL. AND WITH THAT, ANY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ZONE REQUIRES A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND AN MBA TO BE APPROVED. SO THEY'LL BE APPLYING TO THAT AS WELL. SO THESE ARE THREE INFILL PARCELS LOCATED AT 1790 WEST SUGAR FACTORY. TOTAL 1.47 ACRES. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE HIGHLIGHTED. THIS IS JUST OFF OF SUGAR FACTORY ROAD. THERE'S PARCEL ON THE SOUTH END. THAT KIND OF NARROW SECTION. 
          CURRENTLY HAS A HOUSE ON IT. THEY'LL BE DEMOLISHING THAT AND PUNCHING THEIR ACCESS THROUGH THERE. IT'LL BE A PRIVATE ROAD, SO THEY'LL HAVE 23 TOWNHOMES CENTERED AROUND THAT PRIVATE ROAD THERE. BUT BASICALLY THE SURROUNDINGS. THIS WILL BE RIGHT NEXT TO AN EXISTING TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DONE A FEW DECADES AGO. AND THEN THE REST OF THE PARCELS AROUND THERE, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ALONG SUGAR FACTORY ROAD ARE KIND OF THESE REALLY SMALL PARCELS, SMALLER HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY DECADES. SOME OF THE PROPERTY LINES ARE KIND OF ALL IN THESE WEIRD CONFIGURATIONS. AND SO SOME OF THE HOMES ALONG REDWOOD ROAD, THOSE ARE MORE KIND OF A LARGER LOTS. THEY HAVE MORE LARGER BACKYARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS ONE IS REALLY KIND OF THE LARGEST PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA THAT HAS KIND OF THAT REGION DEVELOPMENT. OH, ONE MORE THING TO THE TRACK STATION. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT UP THERE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. SO IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER MILE WALK AND NOT NOT EASY TO GET TO BUT IT'S CLOSE, RIGHT. ONE ACTUALLY, ONE THING I SHOULD POINT OUT TOO IS THE BINGHAM CREEK TRAIL IS ACTUALLY HAVE HAS PLANS TO GO THROUGH HERE. THAT'S A PROJECT BEING PUSHED BY SALT LAKE COUNTY. THEY'LL BE RUNNING THAT TRAIL ESSENTIALLY JUST ALONG THIS THE SITE OF SUGAR FACTORY ROAD UP TO HERE, AND THEN WILL LIKELY CROSS THE STREET AND GO FURTHER EAST. BUT TRAIL IS THAT THE BINGHAM CREEK TRAIL? SO IT'LL BE A SIDEWALK. BINGHAM CREEK SIDEWALK A LARGE SIDEWALK DEPENDS ON THE ALIGNMENT. SO THEY'VE SECURED ABOUT $12 MILLION TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE TRAIL. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, BUT IT WON'T. BUT IT WON'T BE ON THE BANK OF THE BINGHAM CREEK SOME. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THEY'RE PLANNING PRIVATE PROPERTY. YEAH. 
          WE ACTUALLY MAKE YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE WHERE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS, RIGHT? YEAH. WE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO ON THE CREEK, BUT THEY PRETTY MUCH SAID THAT WOULD BE TOO DIFFICULT TO GO ON THE ROAD. INSTEAD, THEY HAD SOME. SPECIFIC. TRACKS. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING MAP AND THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO RIGHT NOW THIS IS ALL ZONED CCF, WHICH IS CITY CENTER 
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FRAME. THIS ZONE AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL GOES, IT DOESN'T REALLY ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL. 
          THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL IT WOULD ALLOW WOULD BE MIXED USE. BUT SINCE THE OWNER DEVELOPER WANTED TO DO TOWNHOMES SPECIFICALLY, THEY'RE HAVING TO REQUEST A REFUND TO THE CITY CENTER RESIDENTIAL. SO THIS IS KIND OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF CHANGED. THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO FUTURE LAND USE MAP BECAUSE IT'S ALL THE CITY CENTER, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. SO THE CCR AND CCF ZONES OF THAT. THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN. THIS IS A CLOSER LOOK. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE 23 TOWNHOMES ARE KIND OF ON THE PERIMETER AND CENTERED AROUND THIS PRIVATE DRIVE THAT COMES IN OFF OF SUGAR FACTORY ROAD, BUT REALLY DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN THAT, JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE OF WHAT'S AROUND IT. SO WE'VE GOT SO THEY BUILT IT KIND OF AS A HAMMERHEAD DESIGN. BUT THEY'VE GOT MOST OF THEIR PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED ALONG THE PERIMETER. THEY'LL HAVE ONE THAT CONNECTS TO SUGAR FACTORY ROAD AND CONNECTS TO THIS 12 FOOT MULTI-USE TRAIL THAT RUNS ALONG THE BINGHAM CREEK. AND THAT'S REQUIRED BY OUR TRAILS MASTER PLAN. SO. BUT THE REST OF THEIR INTERIOR PEDESTRIAN TRAILS, THEY'LL KIND OF GO AROUND THE PERIMETER HERE. THERE'S SOME PRETTY GOOD CONNECTIVITY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE TOWNHOMES ARE CONNECTED TO THE TRAIL, CONNECT TO SUGAR FACTORY ROAD AND EVENTUALLY THIS TRAIL SHOULD, WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, CONNECT OUT TO REDWOOD ROAD. AT LEAST THAT'S THE IDEA. THE QUESTION WE DO HAVE IS IT KIND OF ENDS HERE. AND THIS IS THAT EXISTING TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT. SO HOW WE EITHER CROSS THE CANAL OR GET AROUND THAT. IT'S KIND OF A BIG QUESTION MARK. THE CITY DOES OWN A PIECE OF LAND BACK HERE BEHIND THE EXISTING TOWNHOMES. SO. YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS TO KIND OF CROSS HERE AND MAYBE CONTINUE THE TRAIL DOWN THAT WAY. BUT PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS WORKING WITH SALT LAKE COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN GET ACCESS THROUGH HERE, BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO DRIVE THEIR TRUCKS FROM SUGAR FACTORY ROAD UP BEHIND HERE TO GET TO THE CANAL. MARK, WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE STILL, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SIX GUEST PARKING FOR THAT MANY UNITS, AND I SAW THREE. YEAH. SO THEY'VE GOT THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOT FOUR. SO ONE, TWO THREE RIGHT HERE. AND THEN A FOURTH RIGHT THERE. SO THAT'S FOUR. BUT SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE SIX FOR THAT NUMBER. OR THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE FOR FOUR. SO AND HOW MANY UNITS ARE THERE. 2424 2324 DIVIDED BY FOUR IS NOT FOUR. YEAH. IF YOU GUYS NOTICE THAT THE ONES THAT ARE GOING EAST WEST, THERE ARE TWO CAR GARAGE, TWO CAR DRIVEWAYS. SO THEY HAVE EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS TWO GUEST PARKING. ARE YOU MR. BENNETT? YES. DO YOU WANT TO JOIN MARK AT THE TABLE? IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS OR YOU CAN STAY BACK THERE. AND I WAS IN THAT OTHER ROOM GOING. WHERE'S EVERYBODY HERE? AND WHERE'S THE DETENTION POND? THERE'S DETENTION BASIN. THAT'S THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. SO THEY'RE DOING A SO OKAY. THE ORIGINAL DRAWING SHOWED A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE CROSSING THE CANAL. THIS CONCEPT PLANNED? I DON'T SEE ONE. ARE WE NOT PLANNING ON HAVING. SO WE HAVE ALL THAT OPEN SPACE ACROSS THE ACROSS BINGHAM CREEK AND NO ACCESS TO IT. 
          THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION THAT THAT WE HAD IS WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS AREA. SO ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT PLANNING HAD WAS TO MAYBE TURN THIS INTO LIKE SOME PARK SPACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SOME KIND OF AMENITY, WHICH THEY BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME SORT OF ACCESS ACROSS HERE, EITHER A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OR OR EVEN A VEHICLE BRIDGE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BECAUSE IF IT DOES, IF SOMETHING DOESN'T CROSS, THEN ALL THAT'S GOING TO DO IS TURN THE WEEDS. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE IN THE CITY THAT WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE. WHAT DO WE OWE IT ALREADY? SO YOU WERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DRIVEWAYS. COULD YOU POINT? YEAH, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. SO THESE ONES HERE, THEY'LL JUST DRIVE INTO THE GARAGES. AND 
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THESE GUEST PARKING ARE FOR THESE. EACH ONE OF THESE HAS TWO CAR GARAGES AND TWO CAR DRIVEWAYS IN FRONT OF IT. SO THEY COULD HAVE THEIR OWN GUESTS PARKED, TWO GUESTS PER EACH UNIT. SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX TIMES TWO. THERE'S 24 PARKING STALLS IN FRONT OF. AND WHAT IS THE LENGTH OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS? WELL, THEY'RE 20FT LONG, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LIKE 18FT AT LEAST WIDE. SO IT WOULD ALLOW FOR TWO NINE FOOT PARKING STALLS, TWO NINE FOOT BY 20 FOOT PARKING STALLS, 20FT. IT'S A LITTLE SHORT. THAT'S RIGHT. MEANS NOBODY CAN HAVE A TRUCK IN THERE WITHOUT BLOCKING THE ROAD. SALT LAKE CITY IS LESS THAN. THAT'S 18. BUT YEAH, BUT WE'RE NOT SALT LAKE CITY. SO RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NOW I UNDERSTAND. AND ALSO BIG TRUCKS AND STUFF ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A PLACE LIKE THIS. THEY WANT TO HAVE SPITE. BUT GRANDPA IN HIS F-350 OR WHATEVER IT IS MIGHT WANT TO VISIT. BUT LET'S TRY THIS. IS MOVING ON. THIS IS KIND OF AN IDEA OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT THEY'RE PLANNING. IT'S KIND OF THAT MORE CONTEMPORARY STYLE AS FAR AS AMENITIES GO. THEY PROVIDED JUST KIND OF A GENERAL PLAN. SO THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WE HAD FOR THE COUNCIL TONIGHT IS WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE IN THIS AREA THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS, ETC? I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THESE REAL QUICK. THESE ARE PRE-APPLICATION MEETING COMMENTS. A LOT OF THESE HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THIS LATEST PLAN, BUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE HAD WERE, AS FAR AS PLANNING GOES, THIS PARKING. IT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION IN THE CITY CENTER WHERE WE HAVE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A MAXIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT. SO THE MAXIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT IS ONE AND A HALF SPACES PER UNIT. BUT ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, THEY'RE SHOWING TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT WITH TWO CAR GARAGES. SO THE HAPPY TO APPROVE THAT ONE. SO THE QUESTION WAS YES THERE OKAY. SO THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY, ALLOWS COUNCIL TO GRANT SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR INFILL WITHIN THE SOD. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE PROVISIONS. IDEALLY WE WOULD CONSIDER. SO BASICALLY INCREASING PARKING MAXIMUM FROM ONE AND A HALF TO TWO. IS THERE IS THERE SOME SOME WAY OF MAKING IT WORK WITHIN THE CURRENT ZONE OF HAVING MIXED USE? IS THAT THERE? I CAN SEE WHY YOU'RE STEERING AWAY FROM THAT. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE AWESOME ACCESS FOR THE BUSINESS. SO IT'S ONLY 1.48 AND A HALF. YEAH. SO GOOD. 
          YEAH, IT'S PRETTY SMALL. IT'S PRETTY NARROW. SO I MEAN THE MOST YOU WOULD PROBABLY GET IS MAYBE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OUT HERE ON JUST A SMALL AREA WITH PARKING LOT BEHIND IT, IF YOU'RE LUCKY. IF YOU'RE LUCKY. YEAH. AND THAT'S ON SUGAR FACTORY ROAD, WHICH IS NOT A COMMERCIAL. 
          IF I WERE A BUSINESS OWNER, IT'S PROBABLY NOT THAT I WOULD WANT TO BE. I'D WANT TO BE ON REDWOOD. SO? SO DOES DOES OUR STATIONARY. OUR STATIONARY PLAN DOESN'T CONSIDER THIS SITE, THIS AREA DOES IT NOT AS FAR AS DETAILS GO, THE MOST IT HAS IS JUST A LAND USE MAP, WHICH IT DESIGNATES AS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY DEFINE WHAT THAT IS, RIGHT? AND IT DOESN'T DEFINE UNITS PER ACRE. NOT IN THE STATION. I NOTICED IN HERE I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE I WAS READING IT, BUT I WAS FLIPPING THROUGH STUFF THAT IT SAYS THIS FALLS INTO THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL GENERAL PLAN SOMETHING OR OTHER. AND I WAS LIKE 15 UNITS PER ACRE FALLS INTO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. AND IT KIND OF HAS THAT CONFLICT BECAUSE OUR CITY CENTER ZONES ALLOW UP TO 75 MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UP TO 75 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE IN THE IN THE CITY CENTER ZONES. OKAY. I'M LIKE DENSITY HAS A WHOLE NEW MEANING. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR REDEFINING HOW WE DEFINE DENSITY, BUT EVEN THAT IS EVEN EVEN FOR ME, THAT'S A LITTLE MUCH. SO MY THOUGHT, MY THOUGHTS IS THIS IS GENERALLY I THINK, THE RIGHT USE BEING TANGENTIAL TO THE CITY CENTER PROJECT. IT'S PROBABLY THE RIGHT USE, KIND OF 
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THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. I WOULD I WOULD RATHER SEE IT AS A LARGER SCALE, REDEVELOPING THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, FROM HERE TO REDWOOD. AGREED. AS A, AS A, AS A MORE COHESIVE, REALLY HARD TO GET. ALL THAT. YEAH. I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY AND I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THE CITY STEPPING IN AND SAYING YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE WE'RE DOING REDEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THAT POINT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE ABOUT IT. RIGHT. AND IT WOULD BE REAL POPULAR. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL AREA. REDWOOD DEVELOPMENT, YOU DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. SOMEBODY TRIED THAT A FEW YEARS OF THIS, YOU KNOW. YEAH. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY THAT ONE YOU TALKED TO HIM ABOUT WAS KIND OF TRYING TO DESIGN THIS IN A WAY THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR. SO, SO WITH THIS, THE IDEA WAS IN THE EVENT THAT THIS DECIDED TO SELL AND DEVELOP, THEY COULD MAYBE USE THIS ACCESS FOR EITHER SOME TOWNHOMES HERE ON JUST THIS TINY LITTLE PIECE HERE, OR EVEN PUNCH THIS THROUGH TO CONNECT TO SOME DEVELOPMENT ON REDWOOD. ARE THESE FOR RENT? PROPERTIES ARE FOR SALE? YES. WHO BUYS THEM? IDEALLY FOR SALE. FOR SALE. BUT PEOPLE CAN BUY THEM. WELL, YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING. 
          WELL, RIGHT. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE A RENTAL PROJECT ARE YOU KNOW THEY'RE ABOUT THEY'RE ABOUT 1700 SQUARE FEET, 17, 18FT■!S. ARE YOU GOING TO BE THE BUILDER? PROBABLY JUST SO MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN IS THE UPPER PORTION I LIKE BECAUSE IT HAS THE DRIVEWAYS, THE LOWER PORTION I DO NOT LIKE. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE ANY OTHER THING I'VE SEEN LIKE THIS IN THE CITY, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO PARK. AND YEAH, YOU'VE GOT THE TWO CAR GARAGES, TWO CARS FROM THE WING. THAT'S GREAT. BUT WHAT IF YOU HAVE A THIRD CAR? WHAT ARE THEY? PARK. WHAT IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE VISITING? WHERE DO THEY PARK? AND THERE'S NO PARKING? IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THAT ZACH HAS UP ON ON SUGAR FACTORY. SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS THERE'S NOT THE ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY PARKING FOR THE BOTTOM ROW, BUT THE UPPER ONES ARE FINE WITH I KNOW IT'S SPACE, IT'S SPACE ISSUE, BUT IT IS GOING TO CAUSE ISSUES WITH FUTURE PEOPLE WHEN THEY WANT TO HAVE A THIRD CAR COME VISIT THEM. YEAH, MY CONCERN THERE IS NOT SO MUCH THE LACK OF ADDITIONAL PARKING, BUT IT'S THAT THOSE ARE KIND OF REAR LOAD TOWNHOMES. RIGHT. THE FRONT FACES. YEAH. THE FRONT IS THE FRONT DOOR TO THE WEST. YEAH. WHICH FACES THE PROPERTY LINE WHICH FACES THE BACK OF THE TOWNHOMES NEXT DOOR. THAT'S DOESN'T SEEM CONDUCIVE TO BEING A NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. TO BEING YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE WEIRD TO HAVE REAR FACING THE FENCE. RIGHT. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LOVE THAT. BUT THEN AGAIN, I'M NOT BUYING THE HOUSE, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO HANG UP ON. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. THE CONCEPT, IF YOU'RE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MARK HAD UP WAS WALKABILITY. THERE ARE NO HOUSES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT FACE EACH OTHER. THERE IS. THERE IS NO IN THIS PLAN. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD I WOULD ACTUALLY RATHER SEE THIS. WHERE THE ROADS RUN BEHIND THE, THE TWO ONES ON THE TOP AND THE ONES ON THE BOTTOM FACE EACH OTHER WITH A COMMON GREEN AREA, GREEN AREA BETWEEN IT AND THE AND THE, THE ROAD AND EVERYTHING ON THE OUTSIDE. RIGHT. THE AND MAKE IT THE SAME AT THE BOTTOM ROW. HAVE THE GARAGES ON THE SOUTH SIDE HAVE THE GARAGES ON THE BOTTOM SIDE. YEAH. THE WEST SIDE. YEAH. AND HAVE THE HOUSES FACE IN. ABSOLUTELY. NORTH OF THE ROAD OUT THERE HAVE GREEN ON YOU KNOW I'M TURNING AROUND I'M THINKING NORTH IS. YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU OR FOR MR. DAVENPORT, BUT THERE ARE THREE PARKS. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE ACRONYMS ALL THE TIME ON THE THREE AIR CURRENTLY. IF WE A LOT 23 HERE, WHAT DOES THAT DO IN ANOTHER AREA? WHAT CAN'T WE DO IF WE PLOT THIS? AND DO WE EVEN HAVE THE EXTRA 20. SO WE HAVE THE EXTRA OKAY. IT'S YOURS TO DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT. YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH, RIGHT? IF YOU GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY, YOU'RE CAN'T GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. AND NOT 
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NECESSARILY BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T ASKED FOR IT YET. RIGHT. IT'S NOT RIGHT. BUT BUT THE DESIRE AND THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE IS TO DO SOMETHING AMAZING, WHERE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS RIGHT BEHIND ME. AND IF I GIVE 20 MORE IN THIS AREA, DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE THAT MEANS I HAVE 20 LESS FOR THAT AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE THAT AREA THAT YOU WILL SEE. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M WITH KAYLEEN WITH THE CONCERN ON THE WATER WE'VE GOT COMING UP IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. A DISCUSSION ON TRANSFER RIGHTS IS PART OF THE OVERALL WATER. I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL THE COUNCIL DECIDES WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH TRANSFER RIGHTS AND CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AND AGRICULTURAL PROTECTION ZONES AND ANY OF THAT STUFF THERE WAS MENTIONED ABOUT DOING A STUDY OF SOME KIND, FINDING WATER. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AN ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES. TO DO THAT BEFORE WE BEFORE THEY COME. DAVE MURPHY LOOKED AT IT. HE'S NOT HERE. NO, NO. YOU TALK ABOUT. YEAH. SO WE SO WE HE'S PROBABLY NOT LISTENING. SO BRAD AND I WENT IN AND MET WITH HIM PERSONALLY. AND WHEN HE ORIGINALLY SAID THERE ARE THREE. VIEWS. YEAH THEY CHANGED IT. HE SAID HE LOOKED AT THE, THE ZONE OF WHAT IT WHAT IT WAS REZONED BEFORE PRE PRE 2008 I GUESS IT'S BEEN BEFORE IT ALL KIND OF WENT TO WHY IT'S STILL UNDEVELOPED. YOU KNOW THAT THIS AREA HAS PLENTY OF USE FOR THIS PROJECT. SO THAT WAS CAME COME STRAIGHT FROM DAVE MURPHY. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF UNITS BETWEEN HERE AND 13TH WEST. YOU KNOW. AND DAVE SAID THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. BUT FIRST HE LOOKED AT IT BECAUSE THERE'S ONE HOUSE ON IT. THERE'S TEN. 
          AND THEN HE LOOKED AT THE ZONE AND HE SAID, NO, THERE IT WAS. OKAY CHIPPING AWAY AT I MEAN WE DID MERCED CREEK TWO WEEKS AGO, SIX MILES FROM HERE AND BUT MERCED CREEK, NO, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S SIX MILES A YEAR OR SIX FEET FROM HERE. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT WE HAVE A WATER ALLOCATION FROM JORDAN VALLEY WATER CONSERVANCY DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE IT. AND IT WON'T BE LONG. AND YOU KNOW, THAT SITTING ON THE BOARD THAT JORDAN VALLEY IS GOING TO SAY YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT EXCEEDS YOUR YOUR ALLOCATION, THEY GET TO BRING THE WATER WITH THEM OR THEY DON'T GET APPROVED. RIGHT. SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS WE SAY, WELL, 20 HERE, 30 HERE, 20 HERE, 15 THERE. PRETTY SOON THAT ADDS UP TO A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WATER USE. AND WE'VE GOT TO GET A HANDLE ON WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND, AND EVERYTHING AND, AND THAT YEARS. BUT I THINK IT'S COME THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TRANSFER RIGHTS AND THE WATER HOW MUCH THERE'S ALSO SEWER BUT THERE'S A GETTING TO THE END OF THE TIME. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM VICE CHAIR BADER OR COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB, SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM. I DID HEAR FROM ME. OKAY. YOU'VE SAID ALL YOU WANT TO SAY. MY ISSUES HAVE MOSTLY BEEN HIT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE KIND OF THE OPEN AREA. ARE YOU CLAIMING THE AREA ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE OF THE CANAL? IS THAT YOUR OPEN AREA? WE'RE GOING TO DO A NICE LITTLE PLAYGROUND AREA, BUT YOU'RE ALSO MAKING THAT THE DETENTION PLANT TO MAKE THAT OPEN AREA THAT COULD BE UNDERGROUND. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING TO YOUR DETENTION POND UNDERGROUND. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ACCESS TO THAT OPEN SPACE. THE TRAIL IDEA IS SILLY. SURE, WE CAN DO THE TRAIL THING. 
          THE TRAIL IS ALSO. THE TRAIL IS DUMB. DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE TRAIL BECAUSE PROPERTY HERE IS OWNED BY YOU GUYS AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO REDWOOD. SO IT'S OBVIOUS THAT REALLY A SIMPLE TRAIL THAT WOULD IF YOU WALKED FROM HERE TO THE TRACK STATION. IT'S FIVE MINUTES. IF YOU WALK AROUND HERE, IT'S PROBABLY TEN MINUTES, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S STILL CLOSE. BUT THAT'S REALLY CLOSE. I DO, I DO MY CONCERN ALSO IS THE FACING AWAY. THOSE THOSE BUILDINGS ALONG THE BOTTOM. IF SOMEONE LIKE A CHILD COMING FROM SCHOOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS TO WALK IN AND THERE WAS A BIG CAR IN THAT ONE MIDDLE SPOT, THERE'S A LONG, WEIRD WALK AROUND EVERYTHING TO THEN GET BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE HOME. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SUCH A WEIRD. THERE'S A THERE'S A SIDEWALK RIGHT HERE TO THIS. THIS IS A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND HERE, HERE, HERE. SO IT'S REALLY A LOT OF AREA TO IT DOESN'T. BUT THE SIDEWALKS, THE DESIGN DOESN'T CONNECT THE COMMUNITY. YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY CAR CENTRIC. IT'S CAR. IT'S CAR CENTRIC. AND I DON'T LOVE THE DESIGN OF THE SITE PLAN, BUT I THINK THE USE AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS DOESN'T WORK. AND I'M THE SITE PLAN COUNSELOR. I'M OKAY WITH THE USE. IT'S JUST IT'S NOT 
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APPEALING. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM EVERYONE IS THAT OVERALL WE'RE OKAY WITH HAVING THAT NUMBER OF TOWNHOMES THERE. IF YOU'VE GOT THE WATER AND THE SEWER TAKEN CARE OF, YOU'VE GOT YOUR UTILITIES. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. WE'RE NOT IN LOVE WITH THE WAY YOU'VE GOT. WE WANT IT TO LOOK MORE LIKE A COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR WITH CITY CENTER. IS THAT IT? IT'S A COMMUNITY. IT'S A DOWNTOWN. IT'S A COMMUNITY. SO HAVING IT BE MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY THAN CAR FRIENDLY WOULD BE A WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD ASK OF YOU, MR. BENNETT. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF US BEFORE WE MOVE ON? WELL, LIKE I SAID, WE DID MEET WITH DAVE AND HE SAID HE MADE A MISTAKE ON THE AIR, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF AREAS ON THIS AREA. THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD US. WE JUST HAVE TO WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US, WE NEED TO KNOW FOR SURE. 
          AND MR. DAVENPORT IS ALSO OUR UTILITIES GUY, NOT JUST MR. MURPHY. NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE IN THE WATER BY AREN'T ALWAYS ON THE SAME PAGE. AARON. AARON. MURPHY, GO BACK TO THE SITE. PLAN REAL QUICK. AARON MURPHY, THIS HERE IS WHAT HE SUGGESTED THAT THEY WANT THE COUNTY WANT. THEY COME IN FROM HERE AND THEY THEY JUST WANT THEIR. WE MET WITH THEM AND TALKED TO THEM AND SHOWED THEM THE THING AND THEY WERE GOOD WITH IT. THEY GAVE US A FORM ON WHAT THEY NEED, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE. AND THEY JUST SAID NO. THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE NO BUILDING WITHIN 20FT, WHICH WOULD WELL OVER THAT. SO AND THEN WE MET. WE HAD WASATCH ENVIRONMENTAL DO A STUDY ON IT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MEET WITH THE CITY ENGINEER NEXT WEEK WITH MAISIE THE PERSON. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT AS WELL. THERE'S A GREAT KENNECOTT. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS IN THE WORKS LIKE LIKE A BACKUP PLAN THAT COULD BE MORE COMMUNITY CENTRIC? AND I'LL, I'LL DO SOME BRAINSTORMING AND SEE IF I CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING FOR SURE. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. SO THE SQUARE THAT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT BUYING. WE MENTIONED THAT COULD BE CONNECTED IN THE FUTURE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, HOW MANY MORE UNITS COULD YOU FIT IN THAT WHITE SQUARE SECTION THAT'S NOT OWNED? IT'S OWNED BY SOMEONE ELSE, BUT ONLY LIKE ONE MORE. I'D SAY ANOTHER ONE. SO ONE, TWO, THREE. ABOUT SIX MORE IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY DECIDE TO SELL, JUST KIND OF THINKING AHEAD. UTAH CORNER. ALL RIGHT. 
          THERE'S LIKE A SQUARE THERE. THAT'S ABOUT SIX. YEAH SIX OR SO. ONE MORE ROW ACTUALLY EIGHT. 
          I DID A LITTLE OVERALL MASTER PLAN HERE AND ABOUT EIGHT UNITS ON THAT. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. MR. FORSYTH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL? NO, I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERED IT. AS FAR AS AMENITIES GO, IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE? BRIDGE OVER THE RIVER. BRIDGE. BRIDGE OVER THE RIVER. BRIDGE OVER RIVER KWAI. IT'S NOT TROUBLED WATERS. DON'T GO THERE. JUST A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE SO THAT WE COULD UTILIZE THAT GOT CONNECTED. OTHERWISE THE SPACE IS USELESS. AND AGAIN, I'LL JUST GO BACK TO THAT WEIRD THING. SO THE UPPER SIDE, THE ONE TO THE LEFT, YOU PUT ALL YOUR AMENITIES THERE. THAT'S JUST THAT'S THE FRONT YARD OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING THERE. AND SO EVERYONE ELSE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING NEAR THEM, BUT THEN THEY'LL BE USING THAT. AND THEN THE PEOPLE THERE HAVE PEOPLE USING THE AMENITIES RIGHT, FIVE FEET FROM THEIR DOOR ALL THE TIME. I DON'T LIKE THE I DON'T LIKE THE DESIGN OF THAT. 
          YEAH I AGREE. THE DESIGN IS WHAT'S HANGING ME UP. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE. BUT THE USE I THINK IS REALLY GOOD FOR THIS AREA. YEAH. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VICINITY MAP, THAT MARK HAD UP THAT. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT VIEW IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE I AGREE. GET DOWN TO THE CAR LEVEL. YEAH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND I THINK IT FITS WITH THE FUTURE CITY CENTER AS OF 426, COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM JOINED. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR COMING IN. 
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 Discussion of Proposed Revisions to Articles D and H of Title 4, Chapter 2, regarding provisions for Home Occupations and Massage Establishments]
APPRECIATE IT. NEXT UP WE HAVE A DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED REVISIONS TO ARTICLE D AND H OF TITLE FOUR, CHAPTER TWO REGARDING PROVISIONS FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS AND MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS WITH OUR MOUND ATTORNEY, MR. BOYCE. RENOWNED THANK YOU PRONOUN. MORE MORE MORE ROUND THAN RENOWN. BUT THANKS. THANKS FOR MAKING SOME TIME FOR THIS. HE'S ALSO AN ARTIST, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW. 
          OKAY, I WAS AT THE COUNCIL RETREAT BACK IN JANUARY WHEN THE COUNCIL HAD HAD SPOKEN ABOUT 
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WANTING TO PRIORITIZE BUSINESS LICENSING, STREAMLINING SOME OF THAT PROCESS, CLEANING IT UP. 
          AND ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT I'VE HEARD IS CLEANING UP CHAPTER TWO OF TITLE FOUR. AND IN CHAPTER TWO HAS ALL THESE SPECIAL LICENSING SECTIONS, RIGHT? THESE ARE ALL OF THEM. THERE'S A TON HERE. YOU'VE YOU'VE ADDRESSED ONE OF THEM, WHICH IS OUR RENTAL HOUSING AND GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM. SO GREAT JOB. I THINK EVERYBODY'S EXCITED ABOUT THAT. MOST OF THESE WE NEED TO ELIMINATE YOU MAKE THAT LITTLE CIRCLE KELVIN LIKE YOU'VE SEEN I'M SORRY COUNCIL MEMBER. LIKE YOU'VE SEEN MY PRESENTATION OR SOMETHING. BUT BUT YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT. SOME OF THESE. I THINK WE NEED TO. NOT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE THESE. I WOULDN'T BE HEARTBROKEN. BUT THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THEM THAT I THINK WE COULD, YOU KNOW, 40 YEARS AGO, MAYBE CHRISTMAS TREE SALES AND THE HARVESTING OF CHRISTMAS TREES AND THE ILLEGAL HARVESTING WAS AN ISSUE. IT AIN'T AN ISSUE TODAY. WELL, YOU, SISTER HUDSON, CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE APPLIED FOR THOSE EVERY YEAR. AND IT'S ALWAYS A SO THESE ARE SOME THAT THAT I THINK ARE ONES THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, WE SHOULD PROBABLY GET RID OF SOME OF THESE, RIGHT? BUT INSTEAD OF TAKING ALL OF THESE SECTIONS AND DUMPING THEM ON YOUR DESK AT ONCE, I THINK WE'LL BRING THEM TO YOU IN CHUNKS, IF THAT'S OKAY, 1 OR 2 AT A TIME, AND JUST KIND OF BREAK IT INTO BITE SIZED PIECES. LIKE I SAID, WE'VE DONE THE RENTAL AND GOOD LANDLORD. WE WANT TO BRING TWO MORE THOUGH FOR YOU, THE MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS, AS WELL AS THE HOME OCCUPATION. SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THOSE TWO ON ON THE AGENDA TODAY. PROBABLY NEXT MONTH WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ONE OR SOMETHING THERE. SO OH COME ON, HERE WE GO. HOME OCCUPATIONS. YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PROPOSED CODES IN IN YOUR PACKET. THERE'S, THERE'S A LEGISLATIVE VERSION AND A CLEAN VERSION FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS. THE GENERAL IDEA IS THIS WE HAD TITLE 13 THAT HAD A TON OF REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE HAD TITLE FOUR, CHAPTER TWO THAT HAD A TON OF REQUIREMENTS. THEY DIDN'T ALWAYS LINE UP REAL NICELY IN SPEAKING WITH SCOTT AND WITH LARRY AND WITH BROCK. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE THINK THAT TITLE 13 IS PROBABLY THE BETTER SPOT TO HAVE THE BULK OF REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A LAND USE ISSUE THAN A LICENSING ISSUE. SO A LOT OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE LICENSING ARE IN DEFERENCE TO TITLE 13 AND JUST KIND OF STREAMLINING WHAT WE'RE REQUIRING OF A LICENSEE WHEN THEY DO GO AND WANT A HOME OCCUPATION LICENSE. OUR CODE ALREADY REQUIRES ZONING APPROVA. BEFORE WE CAN ISSUE THAT THIS CODE REQUIRES THE SAME. SO LARRY OR MARK OR SOMEBODY DOWN IN PLANNING WOULD REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND MAKE SURE THAT THE INTENDED HOME OCCUPATION MATCHES WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR WHATEVER ZONE THAT THAT HOME OCCUPATION IS, IS BEING SOUGHT FOR. I WISH I COULD TELL YOU THAT IT'S A WHOLE LOT SEXIER THAN THAT, BUT IT'S REALLY THAT THAT'S ABOUT IT. WE'RE CUTTING OUT A LOT IN IN OUR HOME OCCUPATION LICENSING REQUIREMENTS, LIKE I SAY, JUST REALLY DEFERRING TO TITLE 13. 
          SO. SO CAN I JUMP IN? SURE. AT ANY TIME I'LL JUMP IN ON A COUPLE OF THESE. FIRST OFF, THERE'S A LOT OF UNNECESSARY LANGUAGE WE'RE CROSSING OFF, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THE THING THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE CIRCLES AND RED AND GREEN THAT I CIRCLED ON MY COPY. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN, CAN YOU TELL US IF YOU'RE IN THE CLEAN OR I'M IN THE I'M IN THE LEGISLATIVE VERSION. THANK YOU. BUT JUST A COUPLE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I'LL GO THROUGH PARTICULARLY LIKE LINE 28 IT SAYS HOME OCCUPATION SHALL OBTAIN AND MAINTAIN A GENERAL BUSINESS LICENSE. HOME OCCUPATIONS DON'T GET A BUSINESS LICENSE. THE BUSINESS OPERATOR GETS NOW AND HERE'S HERE'S THE CONFLICT. AND THIS IS KIND OF A THEME THROUGHOUT THAT. WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE A HOME OCCUPATION BUSINESS LICENSE. AND THERE'S A LIST OF ENTITLED 13. AND BY THE WAY, I DON'T LIKE THAT LIST IN TITLE 13. I'D RATHER HAVE IT HERE, BUT WE HAVE A LIST OF PERMITTED. AND WHAT IT SAYS IN TITLE 13 IS THE FOLLOWING ACTIVITIES ARE PERMITTED AS HOME OCCUPATIONS. AND BASICALLY IT SAYS INCLUDES BUT NOT IT'S NOT AN EXCLUSIVE LIST. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS VERY VAGUE LIST OF THIS IS WHAT'S PERMITTED 
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AS A HOME BUSINESS. BUT WE CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE WE WANT AS HOME BUSINESS. AS LONG AS THE CITY STAFF SAYS IT'S OKAY. IS THAT REALLY WHAT WE WANT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE CODE READS. 
          BUT BUT BEFORE I GO THERE, IT SAYS HOME OCCUPATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN A BUSINESS LICENSE. BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN HOME OCCUPATIONS THAT DON'T REQUIRE A BUSINESS LICENSE AND ARE SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. AND SO WHAT WE CAN'T SAY IN LINE 28, HOME OCCUPATIONS HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE BECAUSE THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF THEM THAT SPECIFICALLY DON'T, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND SO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT AMBIGUITY. AND. I THINK THAT IT'S LIKE IT SAYS, IF THEY'RE NOT LISTED AS A PERMITTED HOME OCCUPATION IN SECTION 1311 THREE. OR THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME COMBINED OFFSITE IMPACT. 
          WELL, WHO DETERMINES? I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS. IF I'M NOT PERMITTED, IF I'M IF I'M A PERSON WHO DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE, IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAVE AN ABILITY TO DETERMINE IF IT HAS A COMBINED OFFSITE IMPACT THAT EXCEEDS THE OFFSITE IMPACT OF THE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT. IF I HAVE IF I HAVE A, A, AN INSURANCE COMPANY, JUST I'LL JUST USE THAT ONE FOR THE EXAMPLE. IF I HAVE AN INSURANCE COMPANY, I CAN HAVE PEOPLE BASED ON TITLE 13 COME AND VISIT MY HOUSE UP TO SIX PEOPLE AN HOUR OR SOME DAMN THING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT AM I CONTRIBUTING TO THE OFFSITE IF I DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS? SO MY QUESTION IS, AND I KNOW WHAT STATE STATUTE SAYS, AND I KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS, BUT IF STATE STATUTE, STATE STATUTE SAYS WE BASICALLY CAN'T CHARGE FOR A HOME BASED BUSINESS LICENSE, RIGHT. DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT. BUT SO. WOULD IT BE BETTER IF WE SAID LIKE THIS SAYS ALL HOME BASED BUSINESSES HAVE TO APPLY. THE PERSON SAYS THIS IS THE BUSINESS I'M DOING AND IT'S REVIEWED BY STAFF. 
          INSTEAD OF SAYING, WELL, YOU, YOU'RE A CONSULTING BUSINESS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE. SO THE CITY DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO SEE YOU, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW IS RIGHT. IF IT MEETS ONE OF THOSE PERMITTED USES, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE FROM THE CITY UNLESS YOU WANT A COPY OF THE BUSINESS LICENSE TO PROVE TO SOMEBODY THAT YOU HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE, AND THEN YOU GET TO PAY FOR IT. YEAH, IT'S SIMILAR TO, I THINK, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND NONPROFIT BUSINESSES, WHICH IS SHOULD A NONPROFIT BUSINESS NOT HAVE TO RECEIVE A BUSINESS LICENSE, OR SHOULD THEY HAVE TO RECEIVE A BUSINESS LICENSE? AND WE JUST DON'T CHARGE THEM THE FEE. RIGHT. LIKE WHAT WHAT APPROACH DO WE WANT TO TAKE ON IT? AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS YOUR CALL. WELL AND COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN, LET ME ASK YOU THIS THOUGH, IF WE'RE SAYING EVERYONE HAS TO COME IN TO GET REVIEWED, ARE WE PUTTING A LOT OF WEIGHT NOW ON THE STAFF, ON THE STAFF, AND IS THAT GOING TO BECOME SOMETHING THAT. WELL, AND THAT'S THAT'S THE QUESTION. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. BUT BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THERE'S AN INHERENT CONFLICT BETWEEN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT SAYS EVERYBODY HAS TO BE LICENSED, BUT THEN IN ANOTHER SECTION, NOT EVERYBODY HAS TO BE LICENSED. AND SO IT CREATES THIS CONFUSION. AND I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THESE BUSINESSES, BECAUSE THEN IT SAYS IN ANOTHER SECTION, ALL, ALL APPLICATIONS FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY ZONING. RIGHT? SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A EXAMPLE CLOSE TO HOME BECAUSE IT IS IN MY HOUSE. MY WIFE HAS A HOME BASED BUSINESS. SHE DOES TRANSLATIONS. HER OFFICE SPACE IS SMALLER THAN THIS CONFERENCE TABLE. SHE'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE. WELL, I'M SORRY, THE PEOPLE THAT SHE DOES CONTRACTING FOR WANTS A BUSINESS LICENSE. RIGHT. SO NOW I WANT YOU TO FOLLOW THROUGH. IT SAYS NOW, IF ALL APPLICATIONS FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE HAVE TO HAVE ZONING REVIEW. SO SHE'S APPLYING FOR A PERMITTED BUSINESS LICENSE, BUT IT'S STILL GOT TO GO TO THE ZONING PEOPLE TO REVIEW. AND BY THE WAY, I DON'T LIKE THE WORD REVIEW FROM THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR, CITY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, BECAUSE IT'S MORE 
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THAN A REVIEW. RIGHT? SCOTT, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S IF IT GOES TO THE CITY ZONING FOR REVIEW, THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR CAN IMPOSE CONDITIONS, DO SOME OTHER THINGS, OR SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT IN OUR IN. AND BY THE WAY, WHILE I'M TALKING, IF THE CITY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS, NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT BUSINESS IN OUR CITY, IN A HOME BASED BUSINESS, THERE'S NO APPEAL PROCESS HERE. SO AND IS THAT AND BECAUSE THE CITY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT BUSINESS IN OUR CITY. WHAT PREVENTS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FROM MAKING AN ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS DECISION? SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A REVIEW THERE FOR THAT TO APPEAL A DENIAL, BECAUSE THE REVIEW IS MORE THAN JUST BECAUSE IF THE REVIEW IS JUST SAID, I REVIEWED IT. BUT IF THERE'S A IF THERE'S AN INTENT THAT THE CITY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS THE ABILITY TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS, WHICH I THINK IT SAYS IT DOES OR DENY IT, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME RECOURSE. BUT THAT GOES BACK TO THAT. 
          AGAIN, MY WIFE NEEDS A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS SHE'S GOT A BUSINESS, SO SHE APPLIES FOR THE BUSINESS, PAYS THE FEE, BUT NOW IT'S GOT TO BE REVIEWED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR A PERMITTED USE THAT DOESN'T EVEN NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE. SO THAT PROCESS SEEMS CONVOLUTED THAT WE NEED TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, IF SOMEBODY WANTS A BUSINESS LICENSE, SO THEY HAVE THE PIECE OF PAPER, FOR EXAMPLE, RESTAURANT DEPOT, WHEN YOU WANT TO GO APPLY FOR THEIR MEMBERSHIP REQUIRES A COPY OF THE BUSINESS LICENSE. WELL, I CAN HAVE THE BUSINESS OFFICE RUNNING OUT OF MY HOUSE, AND I NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE. I NEED A COPY OF IT. BUT DO NOW. DOES THAT NEED NEED TO GO TO ZONING BECAUSE I NEED THE PIECE OF PAPER. SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE MECHANICS OF THIS AND WALK THROUGH THE STEPS TO SAY, IF IT'S A HOME BASED BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN APPROVED THAT WANTS THE BUT SO WE'RE USING THE WORD ALL ON A LOT OF THINGS. THAT'S ABSOLUTE. AND WE NEED TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF IT'S A HOME BASED BUSINESS IS APPROVED AND THEY WANT A PIECE OF PAPER FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE. WE'LL GIVE IT TO THEM FOR THE PRICE OF THE PAPER, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING. WE'LL GIVE THEM THE PRICE OF THE PAPER, BUT IT DOESN'T NEED ALL OF THE REVIEW STEPS IF IT'S PERMITTED. AND VICE VERSA ON A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. AND THAT'S MY RAMBLING RIGHT THERE. CAN I ADD ON TO THAT? YEAH. ONE ONE LAST THOUGHT. IF WE HAVE EVERYBODY APPLIED RIGHT NOW WE CHARGE AN APPLICATION FEE. AND SO WELL THERE WOULD BE AN APPLICATION FEE IF EVERYBODY APPLIES. WHAT IS IT, $55. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T. WELL WE CAN'T CHARGE A FEE FOR THE, FOR THE LICENSE. BUT BUT THE APPLICATION FEE IS, IS SEPARATE I THINK. YEAH. I THINK THAT WOULD DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THE LEGISLATURE WANTS US TO DO. AND I DON'T THINK I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SHOULD CONSIDER AND AT LEAST LOOK AT. WELL, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT WHAT WE'VE GOT IS THAT WE'VE GOT THESE PERMITTED HOME BASED BUSINESSES THAT SAY, YOU CAN DO THAT BUSINESS WITHOUT A LICENSE, WITHOUT HAVING THE ACTUAL LICENSE, BUT IF YOU WANT THE LICENSE NOW, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU 100. NOW YOU NEED A PIECE OF PAPER TO PROVE TO SOMEBODY THAT YOU'RE LICENSED. NOW IT'S GOING TO COST YOU A $55 APPLICATION FEE PLUS THE BUSINESS LICENSE EVERY YEAR. NO, I DON'T BUY OFF ON THAT AT ALL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT A HOME BASED BUSINESS THAT NEEDS A BUSINESS LICENSE BECAUSE IT'S A PERMITTED USE. OKAY, LET'S GIVE THEM THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR 15 OR $25, FOR THE COST FOR THE TIME THAT THE STAFF NEEDS TO TYPE THAT INTO THE INTO THE STUFF AND PRINT OUT THE. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICATION FEES FOR. AND IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REDUCE THAT STAFF TIME FOR YOUR PROPOSAL, CUT OUT THE PLANNING REVIEW. THAT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE. BUT WE ARE 15 MINUTES. SO ANYWAY, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION AND TELL ME IF I'M CORRECT WHAT I'M HEARING, COUNCIL MEMBER GREENE SAY IS PERHAPS THERE THAT. THANK YOU FOR CUTTING OUT A LOT OF WORDS. BUT YEAH, WE'D LIKE YOU TO ADD A FEW MORE IN. AND THEN MAYBE THERE'S A CATEGORY THAT THERE FOR WHATEVER REASON, MAYBE THEY JUST WANT IT TO GO TO THE OR SHOW UP. BUT THEY NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE. BUT IT'S REALLY NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY IMPACT ON ANYONE. LIKE THE SAME RESIDENT IS GOING TO BE DRIVING IN AND OUT OF HER DRIVEWAY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT SHE'S DOING A BUSINESS, IS THERE ANOTHER AVENUE THAT WE CAN CREATE 
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PATRICK TO, TO ALLOW FOR THAT? SO I THINK THAT'S THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED FOR. ARE WE ALL OKAY WITH THAT? I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. AND I'D LIKE TO SHARE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY WHO HAS A HOME BASED BUSINESS. BUT LET ME LET ME GET THIS. LET ME GET THIS FIRST. DO I HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE OKAY WITH HIM DOING THAT? I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS FIRST. OKAY. GO AHEAD. YES, I WENT TO RENEW MY LICENSE. I WAS TOLD I DIDN'T NEED ONE. OKAY. 
          THE CITY DOESN'T REQUIRE IT OF ME, BUT I NEED ONE FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES. OKAY, WELL, IT'S 100 AND SOMETHING AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, IS THERE A WAY FOR ME TO GET AROUND THIS? I'VE BEEN DANCING AROUND IT WITH THOSE WHO NEED IT. I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY RENEWED A BUSINESS LICENSE, BUT IT'S BEEN A REAL PAIN IN THE NECK. WHEREAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, IT WAS FREE FOR ALL THESE YEARS. 
          AND NOW NOW THAT I DON'T NEED ONE, I HAVE TO PAY A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXTRA MONEY BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T REQUIRE ME TO HAVE IT. AND AS A RESIDENT AND A BUSINESS OWNER IN THE COMMUNITY, I WAS CONFUSED. I STILL AM ACTUALLY. SO ANYWAY, SO YEAH, THE GOAL SHOULD BE TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE. 
          WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE GOAL SHOULD BE TO MAKE IT FREE IF YOU DON'T NEED IT AND TO AND TO NOT, AND TO SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS FOR THOSE WHO SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE LICENSE OR THE APPLICATION REVIEW THAT ISN'T REQUIRED UNDER ZONING OR THESE OTHER THINGS TO MAKE IT NOT JUST SIMPLE, BUT BUT CHEAPER OR FREE OR MORE AFFORDABLE, I THINK. I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE FREE, BUT IT HAS TO BE A LOGICAL PRICE, RIGHT? HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY $155 JUST TO GET A PIECE OF PAPER. THAT'S JUST PUTTING A TEAR TO YOUR BUSINESS LICENSES. WELL, NO, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE I AGREE, I THINK THE APPLICATION FEE AND THE ANY FEE FOR A THING THAT THE STATE SAYS YOU CAN'T CHARGE A FEE FOR, I THINK YOU'RE I THINK YOU'RE CHARGING A FEE FOR SOMETHING THAT STATE SAYS YOU CAN'T CHARGE A FEE FOR NOW. MAYBE LEGALLY THERE'S A LOOPHOLE THERE, BUT I BET IF IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE RIGHT PERSON AT THE STATE, THEY PROBABLY CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE. I AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T I DON'T JUST MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT, OH, YOU CAN HAVE A HOME BUSINESS. WE CAN'T CHARGE YOU A FEE FOR YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU A FEE TO APPLY FOR THE BUSINESS LICENSE. SO TWO. THREE. YEAH. THREE. YEAH. NO. 
          I'M IN. OKAY, GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS? PATRICK. NOT ON THAT ONE. PAMELA, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT? NOTHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID. I'M IN THE SAME BOAT AS COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU FOR SOME REASON. I'M SORRY. THE SPEAKER'S NOT WORKING IN HERE FOR YOU. OH, WE GOT IT NOW. BY THE WAY, WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU. PAMELA, WE NEED TO REWORK SOME THINGS IN TITLE 13 ON THAT SECTION. WELL, ON THE HOME BASED BUSINESS, BECAUSE IT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 50% OF A FLOOR OR 25% OF A FLOOR. BE YOUR HOME BASED BUSINESS. GUESS WHAT? IF I WERE A HOME BASED BUSINESS AND MY BASEMENT AND MY LOWER FLOOR, MY OFFICE IS 50% OF THE FLOOR, NOT 25, I COULDN'T RUN IT OUT OF MY OFFICE IN MY BASEMENT. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SEND BROCK OVER TO YOUR HOUSE TO BUST YOU FOR IT, SHE SAID. NO, HE JUST WORKED OUT NOW. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE. LET ME MOVE. LET ME MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. SO I'M I'M KIND OF KEEPING ON SCHEDULE HERE, BUT WE'VE GOT MASSAGE BUSINESSES AS WELL. MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS DO WE HAVE IN WESTERN. DO YOU KNOW I DO KNOW WE HAVE ONE MORE RIGHT ABOUT NOW. I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THEY ARE. SO YEAH, THERE'S ABOUT 15 PLACES IN THE CITY, BUSINESSES THAT YOU COULD GO GET A MASSAGE IF YOU WANT TO ASK ME, HOW MANY OF THOSE DO I THINK ARE SUSPICIOUS? THERE'S. LET'S NOT GET INTO THAT. THERE'S THIS MEETING. THERE'S NOW TWO OF THEM. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE JUST BASICALLY SHUT ONE DOWN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. BUT IT'S BEEN A BIT OF A PROBLEM. THERE'S BEEN SOME NEWS STORIES, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE BALLPARK AREA. I THINK KUTV RAN A STORY ABOUT ONE, BUT IT IS A PROBLEM AND IT'S IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE WANT TO CRACK DOWN ON IT, CLOSE IT UP, AND NOT ALLOW THESE BUSINESSES TO OPERATE ILLICITLY LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN DOING. THERE'S PROSTITUTION, THERE'S MONEY LAUNDERING, THERE'S HUMAN TRAFFICKING. THERE'S A LIST OF ISSUES, AND THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO RESTAURANTS. THEY'RE RIGHT 
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NEXT TO FAMILY CENTERED SHOPPING LOCATIONS. THESE ARE SPOTS RIGHT NEXT TO BANKS. THEY'RE ISSUES. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'VE GOT IS A CODE SECTION. AND YOU CAN GO INTO IT. THE CLEAN AND THE LEGISLATIVE VERSION. IF YOU GO TO THE LEGISLATIVE VERSION, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'RE INCREASING THIS CODE FROM ABOUT TWO PARAGRAPHS TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, WHAT ARE WE UP TO SEVEN DIFFERENT SECTIONS NOW. SO WE'RE LENGTHENING IT OUT. IT'S NOT AS LONG AS SOME OTHERS. THERE'S A CERTAIN CITY IN THE STATE OF UTAH WITH A 30 PLUS PAGE CODE ON MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS. I DON'T THINK IT'S NEEDED. STATE HOUSE BILL 278 RECENTLY WAS PASSED. IT INCREASES THE STATE'S INVOLVEMENT IN THESE SORTS OF BUSINESSES AS WELL. THERE'S REGISTRATION AND SOME OTHER STEPS THAT THEY'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE. IT LOOKS LIKE THE STATE IS GOING TO START TAKING THESE A BIT MORE SERIOUS. I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, THOUGH, IS THAT WE STILL WANT TO HAVE SOME LOCAL INVOLVEMENT SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS, ESPECIALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO ALCOHOL, THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN IS QUICKER AND MORE READILY AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO ALCOHOL RELATED ISSUES THAN DABBS IS. AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TOBACCO SHOPS, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE STILL WANT TO HAVE SOME REGULATION AND INVOLVEMENT WITH. SO. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THAT WE DO DO WE ADOPT THE UPDATED STATE DEFINITIONS. WE COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE LAW. 
          WE BOLSTER OUR REGULATIONS. SO THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENTS IN HERE SUCH AS THE WINDOWS INTO THE FOYER. WE CAN'T HAVE COVERINGS ON THE WINDOWS, GRAPHICS ON THE WINDOWS THAT PREVENT PEOPLE FROM SEEING INTO THE FOYER OR FROM SEEING OUT OF THE FOYER. THERE WAS A I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DETAIL WE WANT TO GET INTO, BUT THERE'S ISSUES WITH THAT THAT THAT HELPS MAINTAIN THE LEGITIMACY OF THESE ESTABLISHMENTS. LICENSING, OBVIOUSLY AN ISSUE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRACTITIONERS ARE LISTED AND KNOWN TO BUSINESS LICENSING AND THAT THEY KEEP THAT LISTING UPDATED SO THAT AS PEOPLE COME IN AND OUT, THAT THAT STAYS UPDATED. ONE OF THE TRICKS THAT WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF THESE ESTABLISHMENTS USE IS THEY'LL GET SOMEBODY WHO'S LICENSED THROUGH DOPPEL TO OPEN THE SHOP UP, THEN THEY'LL CONTRACT WITH INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS TO COME IN AND PERFORM THE SERVICES WITHOUT INFORMING US WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HOLD THE PROPER LICENSES, WHETHER THEY'RE OF AGE. WE JUST HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S TOUGH TO REGULATE THOSE, BUT PLACING THOSE SORTS OF REQUIREMENTS IN OUR CODE IS IMPORTANT. WE'VE GOT BUSINESS HOURS THAT ARE RESTRICTED TO AVOID THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING OR THE LATE HOURS OF THE NIGHT WHEN THESE SORTS OF PLACES TEND TO CONDUCT MOST OF THEIR BUSINESS. HOW DID WE COME? AT 8 P.M, I LOOKED AT THE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE IN THE CITY THAT ARE OPERATING AS A NAIL AND MASSAGE DAY SPA UP IN JORDAN LANDING. MASSAGE ENVY. 
          HOW LATE ARE THEY OPEN? GENERALLY ABOUT 730 8:00. SOME OF THEM ARE OPEN LATER. I THINK IT'S A DECISION THAT YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE IS IF YOU WANT TO GO, HOW LATE YOU WANT TO GO. I TOOK SOME LIBERTIES WITH THAT ONE. SO I APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM, AND I APPRECIATE THESE ARE STEPS ATTEMPTING TO MITIGATE THAT PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING ILLEGAL THINGS. MAKING MORE ILLEGAL THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING ISN'T GOING TO MAKE THE THINGS THEY'RE DOING. MORE ILLEGAL. RIGHT. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE RUNNING A PROSTITUTION RING OUT OF A MASSAGE PARLOR AND WE SAY, OKAY, WELL, NOW YOU CAN'T RUN IT AFTER 8 P.M. AND THEN RUN IT AT 10 P.M, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE OH, SORRY, 10:00 PM. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LET YOU IN FOR YOUR PROSTITUTION VISIT. THEY JUST TURN OFF THE OPEN SIGN, RIGHT? SOMEBODY CALLS THEM AND IT'S LIKE IT'S LIKE THE GUN CONTROL DEBATE OR THE BATHROOM DEBATE OR ANYTHING ELSE. MAKING IT MORE ILLEGAL ISN'T GOING TO MAKE IT MORE ILLEGAL. WOULDN'T IT MAKE IT EASIER FOR OFFICERS TO SEE 
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ACTIVITY THAT IS HAPPENING? IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LEGAL. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT MIGHT. OR THEY JUST GET MORE CLEVER OR THEY OR WHATEVER. I THINK THESE THINGS ARE TO KIND OF HELP SLOW DOWN THE PROBLEM. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S NOT GOING TO ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM OR. WELL, IT'S LIKE PUTTING A GUN FREE ZONE ON THE EDGE OF THE SCHOOL, AND THE GUY GOING INTO THE SCHOOL TO SHOOT IT UP SAYS, OH, WELL, I GUESS I CAN'T BRING MY GUN IN HERE. NEVER MIND, I'M TURNING AROUND. 
          IT'S THESE ARE DETERRENCE. DETERRENCE. I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE WE JUST HAD HOME BUSINESSES. THAT COULD BE. THERE'S PROSTITUTION. LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION, THOUGH. FIRST BEFORE WE GET THERE. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE STUFF ON THE WINDOWS. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL LESS UNSEEN WHEN THEY GO IN THERE. BUT I SEE OTHER BUSINESSES IN TOWN THAT LOCK THEIR WINDOWS. ONE IS JUST IT'S A GOLF SIMULATOR KIND OF THING WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO IN AND HAVE A COUPLE HOUR PARTY GOLF SIMULATOR THING, BUT THE WINDOWS ARE COMPLETELY BLACKED OUT, SO THE SCREEN WORKS. SO THE PROJECTOR, RIGHT, WORKS BETTER, BUT SO NOW WHAT? BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD BE GOING ON IN THAT. WELL, YOU'RE IN YOUR ILLICIT BUSINESS OUT OF THE GOLF SIMULATOR BUSINESS. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT KIND OF THING FOR ALL BUSINESSES TO MAKE SURE WHAT AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS IS GOING TO MAKE US FEEL GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS. BUT THEN BUT I YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY THAT DO WE HAVE TO NOW LOOK AT THAT FOR, FOR EVERYTHING. IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THIS BUSINESS ISN'T ALLOWED TO SEAL THEIR WINDOWS, OPEN UP THERE, I'LL I'LL TELL YOU THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT WENT OVER AND, AND WAS ACCOMPANIED BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO SERVE A NOTICE ON ONE OF OUR MASSAGE BUSINESSES WAS GREETED BY A YOUNG LADY THAT WAS NUDE IN THE FOYER. YEAH. AND SO SHE SHE HAD BEEN TRAFFICKED FROM A FOREIGN COUNTRY. SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE SHE WAS. SHE WASN'T GOING TO COOPERATE WITH WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT MEASURES. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GOLF SIMULATORS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE BEING BEING SEX TRAFFICKED LIKE THESE ARE THIS IS HUMAN TRAFFICKING. SO I'M VERY MUCH WITH YOU TO TAKE DOWN ALL THAT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, WE LEFT THAT IT WAS A GOLF SIMULATOR, BUT THAT PLACE IS THERE TO RENT FOR A COUPLE HOURS FOR A PRIVATE PARTY. INSIDE. THEY'RE NOT WALKING AROUND NAKED. WE DON'T KNOW THAT. I IF WHAT I'M SAYING IS. WHAT IF YOU COULD BE IN THE SAME PARLOR? YOU YOU JUST MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. IF THERE WERE IF THERE WERE SITUATIONS THERE THOUGH, THESE SORTS OF REGULATIONS WOULD, WOULD I THIN, HELP US REGULATE IS COUNCIL MEMBER SAID. AND IT WOULD GIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND CODE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN AND INVESTIGATE AND CHECK IT OUT. I'M ALL BROKEN IN MY MIND. WHAT THIS IS, IS THIS IS IF I MAY CHAIR. YEAH. AND THEN WE'LL GO TO CHIEF WALLENTINE AND THEN WE'LL GO TO MR. HUDSON. THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY EXPECTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THIS CONDUCT FROM HAPPENING. BUT WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO DO IS IDENTIFY WHICH WE HAVE A COMMON WAY IN WHICH IT'S HAPPENING, AND DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO SOLVE THAT PART OF THE PROBLEM. IT'S NOT GOING TO ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM BOX, ONLY KEEP PEOPLE OUT. BUT HERE, HERE'S THE QUESTION. IT'S THE SAME. HOLD ON. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO CHIEF NEXT. SOMEWHAT EMBARRASSING TO SAY THIS, BUT I DOUBT THERE'S ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM THAT HAS MORE EXPERIENCE WITH ILLICIT MASSAGE PARLORS THAN ME. I BEFORE I BECAME CHIEF HERE, I SPENT MANY YEARS AS CHIEF AT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED FOUND AND ESTABLISHED THE UTAH TRAFFICKING IN PERSONS TASK FORCE. AND I HAVE OVERSEEN LITERALLY A COUPLE OF DOZEN OPERATIONS DEALING WITH MASSAGE PARLORS THAT MR. BOYCE HAS REFERRED TO THAT WE HAD IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I HAVE SEEN GIRLS AS YOUNG AS 13 FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. I GET IT, YOU, YOU, IF YOU HAVE COVERING ON THE WINDOW, YOU MAY NEED IT FOR A GOLF, A GOLF SIMULATOR, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT IS A GREAT DETERRENT EFFECT. MORE SIGNIFICANTLY, HOWEVER, THIS GIVES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SOME POWERS AND ABILITIES TO MOVE IN BEFORE. BEFORE THE STATE. I WAS SO FRUSTRATED WITH MASSAGE PARLORS THAT WE HAD ON 7800 SOUTH BECAUSE I WAS GETTING CONSTANT DIRECTION FROM FEDERAL AUTHORITIES TO SLOW DOWN BECAUSE IT TOOK THEM A LONG TIME. IT DROVE ME NUTS BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE. BECAUSE OF MY EXPERIENCE. THE RESTRICTIONS HERE ARE REALLY I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS. IT HAS 30 PAGES OF CODE. THESE RESTRICTIONS ARE REALLY PRETTY LIMITED, AND THEY'RE VERY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF HELPING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ADDRESS THE PROBLEM QUICKLY. I GET IT THERE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ONE RESTRICTION THAT'S PERFECT FOR 
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EVERY BUSINESS. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT BY REQUIRING CLEAR WINDOWS AT THE FRONT OF THE BUSINESS, THAT WILL REDUCE A LOT OF THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO COME OUT, THE CUSTOMER WALKS IN AND THEY'LL HAVE A YOUNG GIRL WALK OUT THAT IS NUDE. AND THE PEOPLE WHO GO INTO THESE KIND OF BUSINESSES, THE ASIAN REIKI, MASSAGE PLACES, I PROMISE YOU, THEY'RE NOT THERE TO RESOLVE THE SORE BACK THAT I HAVE RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT. THEY'RE FOR OTHER PURPOSES, AND I THINK I WORK WITH MR. BOYCE ON THIS. I THINK IT'S PRETTY NARROWLY TAILORED, AND IT REALLY DOES REFLECT, I THINK, THE BEST PRACTICE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND YET IT FITS SORT OF THE LIBERTARIAN IDEA THAT WE'RE WE'RE KEEPING OUR, OUR HANDS OFF BUSINESS REGULATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS THAT YOU WANT IN WEST JORDAN. AND WHEN IT POPS UP, YOU WANT YOUR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DEAL WITH IT QUICKLY, JUST LIKE YOU WANT US TO DEAL WITH THE ALCOHOL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AND SOME OF THE OTHER PUBLIC ISSUES. MY CONCERN, THOUGH, IS THAT MAKING IT HARDER FOR A MASSAGE BUSINESS TO OPERATE A MASSAGE BUSINESS IN ORDER TO CATCH THE BAD ONES. WILL ONLY IMPACT. IT'S LIKE MAKING GUNS MORE ILLEGAL, ONLY IMPACTS THE PEOPLE WHO BUY GUNS LEGALLY. SURE, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PEOPLE WHO BUY GUNS ILLEGALLY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ILLEGAL. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY'RE DOING ILLEGAL THINGS ALREADY, MAKING IT HARDER FOR SOMEBODY LEGITIMATELY TO HAVE A MASSAGE BUSINESS, WHICH I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS DOES. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, BUT THIS IS THE DIRECTION I'M GOING, MAKING IT HARDER FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE A LEGITIMATE MASSAGE. ENVY STORE IS, IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT EASIER TO CATCH THE BAD GUYS. OR MAYBE IT IS, BUT. BUT AT WHAT COST? RIGHT. THAT'S THE BALANCING ACT. SO I THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. CAN WE HEAR WHAT BROCK HAS TO SAY. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO CODE ENFORCEMENT RECEIVED A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE PARLOR THAT THE CHIEF IS REFERRING TO ON 7800 SOUTH. WE WORKED THROUGH BUSINESS LICENSING. I DID WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND WHEN YOU ALLOW BUSINESS LICENSING TO TAKE ACTIONS ON A LICENSE, THAT MAY BE THE KEY THAT GETS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE DOOR. THEY MAY NOT HAVE THAT PROBABLE CAUSE TO GO IN AND TELL THEIR LICENSE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED OR REVOKED. WE'VE HAD AT THIS LOCATION SIX DIFFERENT MASSAGE PARLORS BACK TO BACK TO BACK TO BACK TO BACK. BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO IS THEY JUST GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO PUT THEIR NAME ON IT. THEY APPLY. WE CAN'T RESTRICT THEM. THEY GO RIGHT BACK IN AND CHIEF BALLENTINE'S ENDS UP HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT. LATER. I GO TO HAND IN STONE. I'VE YET TO FIND ONE THAT HAS THEIR WINDOWS COVERED 100%, BECAUSE THEY WANT YOU TO SEE IN TO SEE THE RELAXING ENVIRONMENT, NOT THE 13 YEAR OLD COMING OUT IN 90. WE'VE DEALT WITH THESE, ESPECIALLY AT THAT LOCATION, FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND WITH THESE STEPS, IT ENABLES BUSINESS LICENSING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT TO HELP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH WHAT THEY NEED. WHEN THEY CALL US AND SAY, HOW IS THIS LICENSE? OH WELL, WE CAN SUSPEND IT FOR X, Y AND Z, THEN THEY CAN GO IN THE FRONT DOOR WITH PROBABLE CAUSE TO PROVE THIS ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW FOR AN IMMEDIATE SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION OF A BUSINESS LICENSE. THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, DOESN'T ALLOW THAT. SO WHAT I WOULD BE SUGGESTING IS THAT IF THERE ARE A COUPLE OF STANDARDS THAT ARE NEED TO BE LISTED, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE COUPLE OF STANDARDS, THERE'S A COUPLE HERE THAT I'M WONDERING WHY IN THE HECK WE DO IT? BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL TO SLEEP IN A BUSINESS ANYWAY, SO WHY ARE WE PUTTING IT IN THIS ONE? BUT WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE IS MORE ABILITY FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE POLICE TO REVOKE THE BUSINESS LICENSE. 
          WHAT WE SHOULD SAY IS OKAY, X, Y, Z. AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY BECAUSE LIKE IN THE FIRST LINE, IT SAYS IN ONE OF THE FIRST LINES, IT'S UNLAWFUL TO ENGAGE IN PRACTICE IN MASSAGE WITHOUT BEING LICENSED. WELL, THAT'S STATE STATUTE, RIGHT? YOU GOT TO HAVE STATE LICENSE TO DO IT. SO WE'RE JUST REITERATING STATE LAW THERE. BUT MY QUESTION IS, AND PATRICK, YOU AND I HAD THAT DISCUSSION, WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO UNDER UNDER LIKE THIS KIND OF AN ORDINANCE IS SAY, LOOK, WE THINK YOU'RE INVOLVED IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES, THE, THE, THE, THE PROSTITUTION OR WHATEVER. HERE'S AN HERE IS AN ON THE SPOT SUSPENSION WITH AN ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE THAT 
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SAYS YOUR LICENSE IS SUSPENDED AS OF NOW, AND YOU HAVE TO SHOW CAUSE WHY YOU SHOULD GET IT BACK. YOU'RE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT. BUT WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN DO THAT WITH BUSINESS LICENSE. I THINK WE CAN. YOU CAN, YOU SHOULD. WELL, BUT MAYBE WE. BUT ANYWAY, A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS. I'M LOOKING AT LINES 45 THROUGH 55, THE WHOLE ON THE LEGISLATIVE, THE WHOLE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT A LEWD ACT IS. I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S IN STATE STATUTE. WHY ARE WE REPEATING STATE STATUTE? AND ALL WE HAVE TO SAY IS. IN CAN'T THE THIS CAN'T THEY CAN'T BE INVOLVED IN LEWD ACTIVITY. ARE THOSE LEWD ACTS ALLOWED IN GOLF SIMULATORS? I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M FACETIOUS, BUT I'M SEMI-SERIOUS BECAUSE YOU SHUT DOWN ALL THE MASSAGE PARLORS. THE ACTIVITY IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. IT'S JUST GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I, I'M ALL FOR THE STUFF BEING TAKEN OUT OF WINDOWS. BUT THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT I'M PUTTING ON ALL OF THEM. IT'S GOT TO BE ON EVERYBODY. AND SAME WITH THE LEWD ACTS. IF IT'S DONE, IF IT'S MASSAGE. TO ENGAGE IN LEWD ACTS, WHY IS IT UNLAWFUL FOR A PHYSICAL THERAPIST TO DO THAT? I THINK LARRY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE CODE INDICATES THAT YOU CAN'T COVER MORE THAN 5,050% OF YOUR FRONT WINDOWS IN ANY BUSINESS, SO IT'S ALREADY ILLEGAL. SO WE'RE MAKING 50% MORE ILLEGAL. WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THAT'S ON. I JUST HAPPEN TO NOTICE THAT YESTERDAY WAS REDWOOD ROAD. THERE'S ALMOST RIGHT OFF OF SUGAR FACTORY. 
          OKAY, WE CAN GO ABOUT FIVE MORE MINUTES, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO WRAP THIS UP. SO YOU NEED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION. YEAH. AND MAYBE WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK AGAIN THEN. BUT WELL LET'S CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER ONES AREN'T. AND DO YOU WANT TO NOT HOLD THE GOLF CART PART ONE TONIGHT. NO, BECAUSE WE'VE WAITED FOR MONTHS FOR THAT ONE. 
          SO YOU WANT THAT ONE. SO MY FRUSTRATION IS THIS GOT MOVED ABOVE SOME SOME OTHER OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE HOPPER FOR THREE AND FOUR AND FIVE MONTHS. SO THAT BUDGET. NO, I WOULD ALSO CONSIDER TRAFFICKING. WELL I'M NOT IN GOLF CARTS BUT LET'S MOVE. WELL I CAN GIVE ANOTHER 20 MINUTES IF WE WANT TO NOT DO GOLF CARTS, BUT OTHERWISE WE CAN BRING THIS BACK OR WE CAN GIVE DIRECTION. BUT I DON'T REALLY. BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS ONE THING IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE CREATING MORE WORK FOR OUR EMPLOYEES BY DOING THIS ORDINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, LINE 83, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE FULL NAME, ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER OF ALL MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT EMPLOYEES, INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS. AND IT SAYS AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION, OKAY, HERE'S ALL MY PEOPLE AT TIME OF APPLICATION. WHAT'S THE IMPLICATION TOMORROW YOU HIRE THE OTHER GUYS? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS RIGHT, AND HOW DOES THIS CREATE AN ONUS ON THE STAFF AND THE BUSINESS IS THAT ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE MASSAGE ENVY, HAND AND STONE, WHOEVER, THAT EVERY TIME AN EMPLOYEE CHANGES THEY HAVE TO UPDATE THAT LIST WITH THE CITY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE IMPLICATION IN THE NEXT STEP HERE. YOU CAN DO IT AT APPLICATION, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY TIME YOU DO IT. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IF THE IDEA IS TO IS TO STAY ON TOP OF THIS, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO THAT CONSTANTLY. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT YOUR STAFF WANTS TO BE DOING, IS KEEPING TRACK OF EVERY EMPLOYEE THAT WORKS. THE ONES THAT BROUGHT IT TO US. YEAH, BUT AND SO IS THAT. BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOUR STAFF WANTS TO, BUT HE'S THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT TO YOU. BUT IS THAT WHAT HE'S SAYING? THEY WANT TO. OKAY, IF THEY WANT TO, THEN LET'S JUST CHANGE IT THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE IT ON EVERY CHANGE SO THAT BECAUSE ON APPLICATION DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING. AND SO IF THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF WANT, IS THAT TO REQUIRE THAT EVERY TIME AN EMPLOYEE CHANGES IT, A BUSINESS THAT WE KEEP TRACK OF IT. GOOD. LET'S GO FOR IT. BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S GOING TO BE COST EFFECTIVE OR EFFECTIVE. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. YEAH. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THE WORDING THERE TO MAKE IT AN ONGOING REQUIREMENT TO UPDATE THAT THAT INFORMATION. A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS MAKE COMMON SENSE. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T BE UNDER AGE 18. GOT IT. THAT'S GOOD. YOU CAN'T SLEEP THERE. THE BUSINESS HOURS ARE RESTRICTED. THE WINDOW COVERINGS I GOT THOSE. BUT A COUPLE OF THESE JUST SEEM LIKE THEY'RE OVERLY BURDENSOME FOR STAFF. AND DO WE REALLY WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. IT PROBABLY KEEP THAT AT YOUR OFFICE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE NAMES OF FULL NAMES OF EVERY EMPLOYEE AND THEIR LICENSE AND THEIR WHETHER THEY WERE DOPPLE OR NOT. AND IT'S THERE AND WE CAN HAVE DISPLAY IT ON THERE. IT'S GOT TO BE DISPLAYED AND WE 
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CAN COME IN AT ANY TIME, LIKE YOUR HAIRDRESSER DOES IN THE. THEY'LL RUN IT OUT. I'LL COME BACK AGAIN THAT YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO OVERLY BURDEN THE STAFF, BUT THE STAFF'S THE ONE WHO'S RECOMMENDING THIS. SO. AND THE CITY WOULDN'T MIND THE BURDEN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING BETTER. MR. BOYCE, THIS IS WHAT I WILL RECOMMEND. I DON'T FEEL WE HAVE A CONSENSUS HERE FOR YOU TONIGHT, AND I'D LIKE TO GET TO CONSENSUS SO THAT WE CAN HELP WITH THE ISSUES THAT CLEARLY LAW ENFORCEMENT IS HAVING. AND IT'S CAUSING ISSUES FOR HUMANS IN OUR CITY THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN. IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN HAS A FEW STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT WORDING IN THE CODE. WOULD IT BE OKAY IF HE CONTACTED YOU ABOUT THOSE? AND THEN YOU COME BACK TO US IN A WORK MEETING WITH WITH THE NEW ONE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND I CAN WORK FOR ME. I, I LOVE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. I CAN LOOK I CAN LOOK AS WELL AT THIS IDEA OF WHAT A, WHAT AN IMMEDIATE SUSPENSION MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND HOW WE PROVIDE DUE PROCESS IN A CIRCUMSTANCE LIKE THAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE DO HAVE OUR ALJ, WHO'S MORE INVOLVED NOW THAN HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. AND SO I WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THOSE PROCESSES MIGHT LOOK LIKE. MIGHT NOT BE JUST FOR THE MASSAGE. IT MIGHT BE FOR ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF IT MIGHT BE THE SAME PROCESS WE WANT TO DO WITH PAWNSHOPS, BECAUSE PAWNSHOPS ARE THE SAME TYPE OF THING WITH STOLEN GOODS. 
          RIGHT. AND IF WE FIND A VIOLATION, HEY, YOU'RE SHUT DOWN UNTIL WE HAVE A HEARING. IS THAT IMMEDIATE REVOCATION? THEY'LL HAVE MORE SUPPORT THAN JUST A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'D HAVE TO SEE HOW IT'S PUT TOGETHER. I JUST I JUST NOT READING THIS ARTICLE. MASSAGE. THE WHOLE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ABOUT MASSAGE PARLORS, NOT THE REST OF THE CITY. AND I THINK WE GOT OFF TRACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT, WELL, THAT WAS THE REASON WHY I WAS BROUGHT UP. I JUST DID A QUICK SEARCH OF THIS WOULD BE THE LAST THING I SAY. MOVE ON. AFTER POLICE TARGETED ILLICIT MASSAGE BUSINESSES IN HOUSTON, TEXAS IN THE MID 20 TENS, TRAFFICKERS SWITCHED TO HEALTH SPAS, LICENSES OR OPEN AND SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES AND LOS ANGELES JURISDICTIONS WITH STRICT MASSAGE ORDINANCES SAW ITEMS RELOCATE. WHICH I GUESS IS WHAT YOU WANT, RIGHT? OR REGISTER AS REFLEXOLOGY CLINICS INSTEAD. IN SEATTLE, THEY USE OTHER BUSINESS FRONTS SUCH AS UNLICENSED HOME MASSAGE OR SPA OPERATIONS. ADVERTISING ONLINE UNDER GENERAL WELLNESS OR BEAUTY. AND IN NEW YORK CITY THEY WERE NAIL AND SPA HYBRIDS. I'M SAYING IS YOU JUST PUT IT IN THE MASSAGE CODE. 
          YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE PLUGGING A HOLE IN A SCREEN DOOR. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT. AND IT'S LIKE, I AGREE WITH THAT. YOU'RE NOT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT FIXING TO GET RID OF MASSAGE AND JUST GET JUST HAVE ONE THAT BURDENS EVERYTHING. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, IT'S ALREADY ILLEGAL TO DO ALL THESE THINGS AND ALL THESE PLACES I KNOW, BUT THIS IS ARTICLE H MASSAGE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIX. WE'RE NOT FIXING THE REST OF THE CODE. THIS ISN'T IT'S NOT BROKEN BECAUSE ALL THESE THINGS ARE ILLEGAL ANYWAY. WHAT WE WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IS HOW DO WE SHUT THE BUSINESS? BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT. MOST OF THIS STUFF IS ILLEGAL NOW ANYWAY, RIGHT? WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PROVIDE THE TOOL FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE POLICE TO BE ABLE TO SHUT IT DOWN FASTER, NOT MAKING MORE, MAKING MORE THINGS ILLEGAL. DOESN'T LIKE JACK SAID, HE'S RIGHT. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SAY GIVE THEM WHAT'S ILLEGAL. 
          HOW DO WHAT'S THE TOOL THAT WE NEED TO GIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE PD TO SHUT THEM DOWN QUICKLY AND NOT THEM CONTINUE TO OPERATE? MAYBE WE ARE APPROACHING THIS FROM THE WRONG WAY, AND SAYING WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE THIS ALL ILLEGAL. WHAT WE REALLY WANTED, WHAT WE REALLY THE END STATE IS HOW TO SHUT IT DOWN FASTER. I JUST WILL REFER YOU BACK TO WHAT CHIEF WALLENTINE SAID. THE ESTABLISHMENT ON 7800 SOUTH WAS A NATIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION. HUMAN TRAFFICKING INTERNATIONALLY, MONEY LAUNDERING INTERNATIONALLY. IT WAS NOT QUICK. AND SO IF YOU WANT SPEED, THIS IS THIS IS THE THIS IS YOUR GUY. SO GIVE HIM THE TOOLS TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE QUICK. BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL IT'S ILLEGAL AND THERE'S CRIMINAL CHARGES BEING PRESSED, YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT FOR THE FBI. YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT FOR DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT FOR ALL THESE OTHER INSTITUTIONS TO CONDUCT THEIR INVESTIGATIONS ON THEIR SCHEDULES, TO GET TO THAT POINT. AND SO IT'S TOUGH IF WE'RE BEHOLDEN TO WAIT UNTIL IT'S ALREADY ILLEGAL. BUT GATHERING PROOF AND EVIDENCE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO BRING A CRIMINAL CASE IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT BROCK WOULD WOULD NEED TO DO. BUT NONE OF THIS ARTICLE SAYS HOW WE SHUT THE BUSINESS LICENSE DOWN. THAT'S CORRECT. I, 
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I, I WOULD I WOULD DISAGREE BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT COMPLYING WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON THEM, THEN BROCK CAN SUSPEND OR REVOKE A LICENSE BASED ON THOSE. BUT BUT IF THE IDEA IS TO GO FASTER, IS THERE A BETTER TOOL, GIVEN THE CURRENT ILLEGALITIES IN SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS CODE, THAT IF THERE'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT INSPECTION, THEY CAN BE SHUT DOWN ON THE SPOT? THAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT. AND BECAUSE WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO GIVE BROCK AND KEN THE TOOLS TO SHUT THEM DOWN, NOT, OH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE MORE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND THEN THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BECAUSE THE BUSINESS LICENSE REVOCATION PROCEEDING STILL REQUIRES A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME. RIGHT. YES AND NO. AN APPEAL AN APPEAL MIGHT BUT BUT A FULL A FULL REVOCATION IF WE WERE TO GO AHEAD AND REVOKE LIKE WE DID WITH THE INSTITUTION ON 78, I DON'T THINK IT REQUIRED MUCH TIME AT ALL. ONCE WE HAD THE EVIDENCE AND INFORMATION. THEN AGAIN, THE PROBLEM, IF WE WANT TO MOVE TO GOLF CART. YEAH. LET'S GO. WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE ON. AND PERHAPS YOU TWO GENTLEMEN CAN LAWYER UP TOGETHER AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. THANK. MAYBE WE SHOULD. COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM, CAN YOU TRY TO TALK TO ME? DOES THAT WORK? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OH, YOU'RE IN THE WRONG ROOM AGAIN. DANG IT. YEAH, IT'S. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK FOR THE WORK GROUP FOR THIS EVENING. OKAY? I AM SO SORRY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. TAKE THE NEXT HOUR AND 45 MINUTES OFF. THIS NEXT ITEM 
          [c.
 Discussion of Permitting and Regulating the Use of Golf Carts on City Streets]
IS BROUGHT TO US BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM AND COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN. IT'S A DISCUSSION ON PERMITTING AND REGULATING THE USE OF GOLF CARTS ON CITY STREETS. WE CAN GO UNTIL 20 TILL AT THE LATEST. SO, COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING. OKAY, I'LL SEND TEXTS AS I'M REALLY NEED TO SAY SOMETHING. OKAY. SO I'LL JUST JUMP IN. UTAH CODE TITLE 40 168 1510. IT'S SCARY THAT I ACTUALLY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, SO MANY OF THEM. IT'S SCARY THAT I KNOW THAT THAT SECTION ALLOWS CITY ALLOWS GOLF CARTS TO BE DRIVEN ON CITY STREETS IF THE CITY PERMITS IT, AND ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO DESIGNATE SOME THINGS. SO WHAT PAMELA AND I ARE ASKING IS, DO WE WANT TO PERMIT GOLF CARTS ON PUBLIC STREETS? THE, THE, THE IDEA OF THE GOLF CART BEING ON A PUBLIC STREET WOULD BE THAT. AND IF YOU'VE DRIVEN TO SAINT GEORGE ON A SUNDAY AND YOU'VE SEEN THE NUMBER OF GOLF CARTS PARKED IN FRONT OF A CHURCH, YOU'LL KNOW THAT. AND SAINT GEORGE HAS A GOLF COURSE ORDINANCE. SO DOES ALPINE ALAN. WHO ELSE? HIGHLAND. THE ONES I LOOKED UP. HIGHLAND, NEPHI, SAINT GEORGE, HIGHLAND, NEPHI AND SAINT GEORGE ALL HAVE. AND HURRICANE. YEAH, THEY HAVE GOLF CART CART ORDINANCES THAT ALLOW GOLF CARTS ON CITY STREETS SO THAT PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE OR SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, CAN STILL HAVE SOME ABILITY TO GET AROUND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, TO CHURCH OR EVEN TO A GROCERY STORE. AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS HAVE THE DISCUSSION. IF WE WANTED TO PERMIT GOLF CARTS ON THE PUBLIC STREETS, AND IF SO, WHAT STREETS DO THEY OPERATE ON? OUR SUGGESTION WAS ANY STREET THAT HAD A SPEED LIMIT OF LESS THAN 35 MILES AN HOUR AND 2700 WEST AND 3200 WEST, YOU'LL NOTICE WHAT'S ON THOSE TWO STREETS. WHO CAN OPERATE A GOLF CART? WE CAN DESIGNATE MINIMUM AGE, THE HELMET'S REQUIREMENTS, ANY OF THAT. AND WE CAN ALSO DESIGNATE THE HOURS THAT A GOLF CART CAN OPERATE. IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY WAY. IT'S A SUSTAINABLE WAY. IT'S MORE SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION. SO IT WOULD TIE INTO OUR SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS. PAMELA. TEXT. IF I'VE MISSED ANYTHING. BUT YEAH, THAT WAS THE THAT WAS AND I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, TECHNICALLY, WHEN WE RODE BACK FROM THE PARADE THE OTHER DAY ON THE GOLF CART, BACK TO CITY HALL, WE ACTUALLY BROKE THE LAW. SO. THE QUESTION WITH THE COUNCIL IS, WHY DON'T YOU GET ON YOUR CART? NO, NOT IF YOU RODE IN IT. JUST IF YOU DROVE IT. OKAY. WHAT'S WARREN AND ALAN THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH WARREN AND ALAN? OKAY. WE'LL THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS. PLEASE. MY SEGWAY LEGAL. SEGWAYS ARE RIDDEN ON SIDEWALKS. ON STREETS LIKE BIKES, AREN'T THEY? OH, AND THE OTHER THING IS GOLF 
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CARTS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATUTE, 41 A OR 40 16A, THE GOLF CARTS ARE TREATED AT THE INTERSECTIONS AND EVERYTHING. THEY'RE TREATED LIKE BIKES. THE LEGISLATURE SAID IF YOU APPROVE THAT, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY TREATED AS A BICYCLE. SO MEANING CARS WON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEM. THEY. YEAH. WELL, I DROVE DOWN THE STREET THE OTHER DAY WITH A BIKE LANE AND THE AND THE GUY WAS RIDING OFF OF THE BIKE LANE AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING. IT'S LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, THERE'S A BIKE LANE. YOU SHOULD BE JUST RIDING. NEVERMIND. OKAY, SO WHILE A GOLF CART WON'T DO AS MUCH DAMAGE AS A VEHICLE, ME PERSONALLY, I THINK THERE'S A REASON THAT WE HAVE LICENSED DRIVERS AND NOT UNLICENSED DRIVERS ON THE STREETS. I THINK OF MY 85 YEAR OLD SISTER WHO WE HAD TO DO LOTS OF THINGS BECAUSE WE DISCONNECTED HER BATTERY, AND SHE CALLED A GUY TO COME FIX HER CAR IN HER GARAGE. SO, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN THEY CAN'T, CAN NO LONGER OPERATE A CAR SAFELY TO THEM, PUT THEM IN A GOLF CART AND SAY, THAT'S SAFE. I'M NOT. 
          BUT THEY CAN GO BUY AN ELECTRIC. THEY CAN GO BUY AN ELECTRIC TRIKE AND STILL OPERATE THAT ONE LEGALLY. WELL, MANY OF MY PEERS THAT HAVE BOUGHT ELECTRIC BICYCLES HAVE ENDED UP IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM. SO WHILE THEY CAN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY SHOULD. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS HARD FOR ME BECAUSE I CAN SEE HOW IT COULD BENEFIT PEOPLE THAT MAYBE CAN'T AFFORD A CAR OR OR CAN'T GET A LICENSE. BUT I WORRY ABOUT. WE HAVE SO MANY ACCIDENTS ALREADY BETWEEN A CAR AND A CAR THAT DON'T TURN OUT WELL. I DON'T WANT OUR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL HAVE TO GO UP ON RIGHT UP ONTO A GOLF CART THAT'S PLOWED IN BY A HUMVEE OR A. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAVING THEM ON 78TH REDWOOD, 90TH, ANY OF THOSE KIND OF STREETS. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, ANY STREET WITH LESS THAN 35 MILES AN HOUR, YOU'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND THE ONLY TWO STREETS THAT I THAT HARD FOR THEM TO GET TO SERVICES. WELL, THEY CAN STILL PROBABLY GET TO THEIR CHURCH. AND THAT'S WHY 27TH AND 32 WERE TALKING ABOUT EXEMPTED SO THAT THEY COULD GET TO SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES, SCHOOLS. BUT YEAH, THAT THAT WAS THE IDEA. LET ME JUST ASK. ASK THIS THEN WHAT IS THE AND THIS IS BOTH FOR YOU AND COUNCILMEMBER BLOOM. IF COUNCILMEMBER BLOOM WANTS TO TEXT IN, WHAT IS THE MAIN REASON AND GOAL BEHIND THIS IS BECAUSE AT FIRST I WAS THINKING, OH, THEY'RE THINKING SO PEOPLE CAN GO TO THE STORE, BUT I CAN'T GET TO SMITH'S FROM, YOU KNOW, MY AND I LIVE ON 2200. THAT'S ALL THAT COUNTS. AND THEN YOUR VOICE, WHAT WOULD BE THE WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THIS? HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE THINK WITHIN THIS AREA IT'S REALLY NEEDS AND IS IT JUST TO GO TO CHURCH? IF SO, DO WE JUST MAKE THIS A SUNDAY THING? IT COULD BE. IT COULD BE CHURCH. IT COULD BE SCHOOL. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE. YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD MAKE AN AGE LIMIT OF 16, DON'T HAVE TO REQUIRE A LICENSE. BUT I THINK THE, THE, THE. YEAH. PAMELA'S PAMELA TEXTED HIGHLAND BECAME THE FIRST UTAH COUNTY CITY ALLOWED GOLF CARTS ON 25 MILE AN HOUR ROADS. THERE'S A TON IN MICHIGAN. THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL COST AND CARBON EMISSIONS. THEY'RE NOT NOISY. IT WAS MORE OF A OF A SIMPLE, ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY TRANSPORTATION MODE THAT VARIOUS PEOPLE IN THE POPULATION, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER FOR A FAMILY TO BUY A GOLF CART TO HELP KIDS GET TO SCHOOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AS AS A CAR. IT'S COLD IN JANUARY. I DON'T WANT TO BE ON A GOLF CART. I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE ON A CART. BUT THAT WAS THE IDEA WAS, WAS WAS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY 
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FRIENDLY WAY OF INCREASING MOBILITY FOR SEGMENTS OF THE POPULATION SO THAT THEY COULD TRAVEL AROUND THE CITY. THAT WAS THE INTENT. YEAH. AND I AND I'LL, I'M LOOKING FOR IS I, IT'S NOT THAT I'M AGAINST IT BUT I ALSO HAVEN'T BEEN SOLD FOR IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO WE'RE REALLY HELPING HERE. I LIVE ALMOST RIGHT ON A GOLF COURSE. AND YOU WOULD THINK I WOULD KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOLF CARTS. AND I WALK AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THE GOLF. I DON'T KNOW ANY PEOPLE THAT THAT OWN GOLF CARTS AND THAT THESE WOULD BE THE PRIME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD OWN THE GOLF CARTS BECAUSE THEY COULD JUST QUICKLY GO OVER TO THE COURSE. BUT AND IF IT'S TO ME, I WAS LIKE THINKING, OH, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING. IF I WANTED TO POP OVER TO SMITH'S, BUT THEN I REALIZED, I CAN'T GO TO SMITH, I COULD GET ON MY ELECTRIC SCOOTER IF I HAD ONE. I GUESS I DON'T HAVE ONE, SO I'M MAKING UP THINGS I WANT, BUT I COULD DO THAT AND HAVE NO PROBLEMS. AND I WILL SAY THERE THERE ARE PLUSES TO THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ENOUGH. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY MAKING ME OUTWEIGH THE POSSIBLE WEIRDNESS OF IT. I WILL TELL YOU, WHEN I BROKE THE LAW WAS OVER THIS WEEKEND BECAUSE I JUST KIND OF HAD CONTROL OF THE COUNCIL GOLF COURSE. SO GOLF CART. SO WHEN I WAS DONE CALLING BINGO AT THREE AND I HAD TO COME BACK AT FOUR, I JUST, YOU KNOW, MY HOUSE IS A COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY. I JUST DROVE THE GOLF CART THERE. BUT WHEN I GOT TO THE FOUR WAY STOP, I CHEATED LIKE I WAS A CAR AND GOT IN THE CAR LANE AND DID THE FOUR WAY STOP THING. SO TO SAY. IT'S TREATED LIKE A BIKE. I HAS TO STOP AT A FOUR WAY STOP. I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING MINI BIKES DON'T. YEAH, YEAH. BUT I HAVE TO STOP. 
          NO, THEY DON'T STOP CENTER LIKE SIX. SO I WOULD I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT TREATED LIKE A WHITE THAT A GOLF CART. IF YOU'RE AT A STOP SIGN THEY'RE ALL TREATED LIKE CARS. I WOULD GO THAT ROUTE BECAUSE IF NOT, SOMEONE WITH A GOLF CART IS GOING TO GO THROUGH AND GET PLOWED BY SOMEBODY ON A TWO WAY STOP, SOMEONE GOING THE OTHER WAY BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT I HAD THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO I WOULD LOOK AT THAT. BUT MY WHOLE THING THAT I WOULD NEED TO BE SOLD ON IS, WHO ARE WE? ARE WE? IS THERE A CRY FOR THIS? I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, CITIZENS ARE ASKING FOR, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING ANYONE'S ASKED FOR YET, SO THAT'S WHY. THAT'S HOW I'M JUST ASKING WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE SELL ON THIS? AND IF IT'S JUST SO SOMEONE COULD GO TO CHURCH OR MAYBE GET THEIR KID TO SCHOOL. I DON'T KNOW IF THE SCHOOLS WANT GOLF CARTS AT THEIR SCHOOLS. I MEAN, WE WORRY ABOUT THAT. I DO I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT MAYOR RECOMMENDATION SAYS THE MAYOR WOULD NOT SUPPORT AN ORDINANCE PERMITTING THE USE OF GOLF CARTS ON CITY STREETS. 
          SO IF WE DID IT, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A TWO THIRDS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WHICH MEANS WE NEED FIVE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT IT. AND ALSO FOR ME, FOR ME, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. YOU KNOW, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S MOSTLY KIDS HAVE GROWN UP. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THIS TEN, 12 YEARS AGO, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING GOLF CARTS ON THE STREETS ARE KIDS THAT DON'T HAVE LICENSES. THEY GET THEIR DADS OR THEIR MOMS GOLF CART AND THEY DRIVE LIKE A GO CART. AND SO THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE FOR ME. AND THEN I'M WITH BOB, TOO. I'M LIKE, I HAVEN'T HAD ONE PERSON, YOU KNOW, EVEN ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE YOU WOULD THINK MORE PEOPLE HAD GOLF CARTS IN THAT AREA. I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE PERSON SAY, MAKE GOLF CARTS LEGAL. WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THEY ARE ILLEGAL. OR IS THAT TRUE? BECAUSE THEY'RE DRIVING THEM REGARDLESS OR THEY'RE DRIVING. 
          IS THAT TRUE? YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S MORE THAT I DON'T SEE A LOT OF GOLF CARTS OUT THERE. I DON'T SEE I SEE GOLF CARTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT'S PRETTY COMMON IN GOLF CARTS. WE RARELY SEE ADULTS IN GOLF CARTS. AND THE KIDS WE SEE BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING SOME PRETTY STUPID THINGS. 
          OKAY. YEAH. MY, MY, IF WE WERE GOING TO GO THIS WAY, I WOULD WANT IT TO BE A LICENSED DRIVER. 
          YOU CAN'T BE. YOU CAN'T REQUIRE A LICENSE THOUGH ON A GOLF CART. STATE STATUTES SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS REQUIRING A LICENSE FOR A DRIVER OF A GOLF CART. YOU SAY MINIMUM AGE. SO WE COULD DO A MINIMUM AGE, BUT WE CAN PROHIBIT THE GOLF CART. YEAH, WE CAN PROHIBIT THE GOLF CART. WE CAN'T PROHIBIT AN UNLICENSED PERSON FROM DRIVING A GOLF CART. THAT'S THE STATE STATUTE ON A CITY STREET. WHAT IF YOU CAN'T REQUIRE A LICENSE, INSURANCE, REGISTRATION OR EMISSIONS INSPECTION FOR A GOLF CART? THAT'S THE INSURANCE THING COMES FROM. IF THEY CAUSED AN ACCIDENT, I BELIEVE THAT'S THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 16 YEARS OF AGE SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A DRIVER PRIVILEGE CARD, A STATE ID, OR A DRIVER'S LICENSE, BUT THEY WOULD ALLOW 14 AND UNDER TO ATTEND A SAFETY CLASSES ISSUED BY THE CITY OF NEPHI. BUT YOU CAN DO AN AGE. AND OF THE 
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CITIES WE LOOKED AT, ALL OF THE AGES WERE 16 OR OLDER. YEP. THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU. MY SON IS 17 YEARS OLD. HE'S DRIVING A CAR. HE'S NOT DRIVING A GOLF CART. RIGHT? NOW. IT WAS JUST A THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I'D BE OKAY WITH IT, ESPECIALLY ON ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND THAT KIND OF THING. I WOULD REALLY LIKE IT TO NOT BE OKAY FOR KIDS, YOU KNOW, YOUNG KIDS, SINCE WE'RE NOT NEEDING TO HAVE INSURANCE TO GET A KID IN A GOLF CART, HIT SOMETHING. WHAT? WHAT INSURANCE THING CAN PEOPLE GO AFTER? THERE'S WELL, THERE'S NEGLIGENCE, RIGHT. BUT YEAH, BUT THAT BECOMES A WHOLE. BIG BALL OF WAX. I'LL SAY THAT. MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUN. SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT TIME. AND MY DAUGHTER HAD A WEDDING RECEPTION IN SOUTH JORDAN AT MY, MY BROTHER'S HOME. AND WE FERRIED GUESTS FROM THE CHURCH PARKING LOT TO MY BROTHER'S HOUSE, WHICH WAS HALF A BLOCK AWAY, BACK AND FORTH ON A CITY ROAD. NEVER ONCE DID IT OCCUR TO ME I MIGHT BE BREAKING THE LAW BY HAVING MY SON DO THAT. HE WAS A LICENSED DRIVER, BUT AND MY SON, IT WAS JUST A DREAM COME TRUE FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE THE WEDDING GUESTS BACK AND FORTH. AND HE WAS HOW OLD? HE'S PROBABLY 16 OR 17 WHEN HE DID IT. HE WAS LICENSED, BUT IT NEVER ONCE EVEN OCCURRED TO ME THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE LEGAL. WHAT WE WERE DOING AT THE TIME, WELL, I'M SURE THAT MOST OF THESE GUYS WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FERRYING SOMEONE LIKE THAT IS GOING TO POP UP ON THE POLICE RADAR. NO, NO, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY. AT LEAST GIVE US ANY CREDIT ON THE CORNER. NOBODY CAN DRIVE ON THE GOLF COURSE, THE OQUIRRH MOUNTAIN TEMPLE, OPEN HOUSE, THE POLICE GOT AFTER THEM. OH, OKAY. SO THAT WAS JUST A THOUGHT TO INCREASE SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY AND TO LEAD OUT. I'M NOT AGAINST I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I'M AGAINST A CITY IN SALT LAKE COUNTY THAT PERMITS IT. RIGHT NOW. WE WOULD BE THE FIRST. I'M NOT 100% FOR IT, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT I'M AGAINST IT EITHER. YEAH, DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. OKAY, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, BUT DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO SEE IF WE HAVE A NEED. SO HOW DO WE WANT? WHAT DO WE WANT? DO WE WANT TO HAVE STAFF TO DO ANYTHING? DO WE WANT TO JUST SAY COOL IDEA. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO WITH IT. OKAY. 
          WELL SEEMS LIKE IT'S 2 TO 2. ACTUALLY HAVE SEVEN. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO 2232 I'VE GOT THREE IN THE MIDDLE. TWO. NO. AND TWO. YES. I WOULD BE WILLING TO GO. YES. JUST TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH IT. IF YOU WANT TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE ORDINANCE. SO ONE TWO, THREE I HAVE FOUR, THEN I'M SURE PAMELA WOULD BE FINE WITH AN ORDINANCE. I HAVE FOUR, I HAVE COUNCILMEMBER GREEN, COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON, AND COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB THAT WOULD LIKE TO. AND PAMELA SAYS YES, SHE'S A YES. WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ORDINANCE. SO WHAT, MR. ANDERSON, WHAT PARAMETERS FOR THOSE FOR WHICH STREETS? RESIDENTIAL 25 AND 25 AND LESS. NOTHING ON 27. NOTHING ON 32. I THINK YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU CHOOSE THOSE TWO STREETS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER, YOU KNOW. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT CALLED ARTERIES FOR THOSE CALLED COLLECTORS. YEAH. 
          COLLECTORS. SO THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THOSE TWO COLLECTORS. SO IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT AN ORDINANCE, IT CAN'T BE JUST THOSE TWO STREETS. WELL, WE CAN WE CAN ALLOW IT ON ANY STREET THAT WE WANT. WE CAN PROHIBIT IT ON ANYTHING. NOW, YOU SAY 2700. YES OR NO? THAT WAS FOR YES. BECAUSE 2700 WEST IS ALREADY 35 MILE. WELL, BUT THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION. SO THEY COULD GET TWO ROOMS. BUT YEAH. BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY 35. IF YOU SAY 35 MILE OR LESS IT'S 35 MILES. SO WE COULD DO LESS THAN 35 OKAY. OR LESS. AND NOW I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. WHAT I WAS THINKING IS LESS THAN 35. SO ANY RESIDENT 30 NOW I SEE 30 AND BELOW, PLUS 27, 35 OR LESS OR LESS. AND 27 IS ALREADY 35. SO THAT'S THAT WAS THE THOUGHT. 
          OKAY. SINCE THERE'S FOUR OF YOU THAT WOULD WANT THE ORDERS, LET ME UNLEASH THREE BULLETS. ON WHICH STREETS MAY THEY OPERATE ON? OR IS THERE FOUR OF YOU IN AGREEMENT? THAT'S 35 MILES AN 
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HOUR OR LESS. DO LESS THAN 35. THAT ELIMINATES 27TH AND 32ND. 48. WHAT? HE WANTS TO ADD THOSE ON, RIGHT. I'M NOT WILLING TO SAY WHAT I'M IN FAVOR OF OR NOT. I'M IN FAVOR OF LOOKING AT WHATEVER ORDINANCE COMES BACK AND DECIDING ON THAT. WELL, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME PARAMETERS. YEAH, YOU WOULD WANT TO. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU DO THAT UP TO THE SPONSORS. BUT OKAY, I'D BE WILLING TO GO UP TO 35. I GOT 45. OKAY. NO WE'RE NOT PUTTING THEM ON MOUNTAIN VIEW. 
          MINIMUM AGE. 16 1618. AND THAT TAKES AWAY THE FUN. AND I THINK IT HAS TO BE AT THE VERY LEAST, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO OURS, IT CAN'T BE. IT HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO SUNLIGHT. YES, MOST MOST ORDINANCES SHOW CIVIC SUNRISE, CIVIC SUNSET. SO WHATEVER THE SUNRISE AND SUNSET IS, WHEN YOU CAN OPERATE, THERE IS ONE CITY TO OPERATE AT NIGHT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE FACTORY EQUIPPED HEADLIGHTS, TAIL LIGHTS AND REFLECTORS. BUT EVEN IF THEY PUT THOSE ON, I DON'T WANT THOSE GOLF CARTS ON. I THINK SUNRISE TO SUNSET, SUNRISE TO SUNSET. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THE CITIES THAT ALLOW GOLF CARTS THAT HAVE RESTRICTIONS, THAT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CAN'T EXCEED, THE NUMBER OF SEATS THAT THE CART CAME MANUFACTURED WITH. SO THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ADD SEATS. 
          DO YOU WANT THAT WHERE IT'S JUST ONE SEAT PER PASSENGER. AS THE VEHICLE WAS MANUFACTURED? YEP. I GOT I GOT IN TROUBLE THE FIRST TIME I EVER WENT GOLFING. GOLFING. MY DAD AND MY DAD HAD ONE LEG. SO HE HAS GOLF CART OR HE ALWAYS GETS A GOLF CART. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN WE WHEN I WORK WITH PATRICK TO DRAFT THE ORDINANCE, IT WILL COME BACK TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO HAVE YOU DISCUSS IT FURTHER. CORRECT. OKAY. COOL. YEAH. NO, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT IS. WHAT ABOUT WRITERS WHO ARE NOT DRIVING, WHO ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 16? THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE A HELMET. WE'LL ADDRESS THAT. YEAH. BOB AND I JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT STANDARDS. OKAY. AND THEN THAT ETC. PART. THAT'S WHERE. WHICH ONE? WELL, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE PEOPLE IN GOLF CARTS WEARING HELMETS. WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF REQUIRING, OH MY GOODNESS. COME ON. GOING TO CHURCH. YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR HAIR MESSED UP. YEAH. ZACH HAS THAT PROBLEM. ZACH HAS THAT PROBLEM, SO DO I. 
          ALRIGHT. YEAH. YOU'RE ALL BOYS ARE ALL CHIEF VALENTIN. WE ALSO HAVE SERGEANT HUTCHINS, OUR TRAFFIC SERGEANT HERE, WHO HAS A LOT OF WHO'S BEEN DOING DEEP DIVES ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AND A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. SERGEANT HUTCHINS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND. TESTIFY BEFORE? RAISE YOUR RIGHT ARM, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR. TO SAY WHATEVER, WHATEVER COMES TO MIND. LIKE I NEVER SAID, I'LL NEVER SIT IN THAT CHAIR. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. WELL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONVEY TO US? FIRST, I DID HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OTHER CITIES. I HAVE THOSE LISTED OUT AS WELL, BUT MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN COVERED. OKAY. JUST BY WAY OF SOME STATS IN 2023, IT'S BEEN RECORDED THAT 14% OF ALL CAR ACCIDENTS WERE BECAUSE OF SPEED, 14% THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS. I'M ASSUMING, LIKE HALLOWEEN, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, AND THEN 7% DISTRACTED DRIVING. SO AGAIN, MAYBE AS A TRAFFIC SERGEANT MY ISSUE WOULD BE ENFORCEMENT. HOW DO WE GO ABOUT ENFORCING THESE REGULATIONS, YOU GUYS? IT MAY BE 20 AND LOOK 20, BUT DO THEY HAVE A LICENSE OR ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE 20? AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE ID, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A 14 YEAR OLD. IF YOU THINK THEY'RE 16, 14 YEAR OLD WITH A BEARD, WE'LL LET THEM GO. SO AGAIN, WHAT CRITERIA ARE YOU GOING TO USE TO STOP AND CHECK THOSE KIND OF INSTRUMENTS THAT ARE ONE OF THE CITIES, IF I MAY, HAD INDICATED THAT THERE THEY HAD TO THE DRIVER HAD TO HAVE SOME SORT OF GOVERNMENT ISSUED ID THAT WOULD PROVE THEIR AGE. SO WHETHER IT'S THE STATE ID OR A DRIVER PRIVILEGE CARD OR DRIVER'S LICENSE, THEY HAD TO HAVE SOMETHING GOVERNMENT ISSUED TO PROVE THEIR AGE. JUST FOR WHAT? SERGEANT HUTCHINGS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. THAT THAT'D BE GOOD TO INCLUDE. YEAH. 
          CAN I ASK YOU, HAS THERE BEEN AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE CURRENTLY WITH GOLF CARTS OF PEOPLE CONSTANTLY USING THEM AND NEIGHBORS CALLING THE COPS ON THEM? I'VE TAKEN TWO THIS YEAR. THEY WERE BOTH OUT BY THE SKATE PARK. WAS IT USUALLY LIKE A NEIGHBOR THAT SAYS SO-AND-SO'S INQUIRY IF HE COULD DRIVE IT? THE OTHER ONE WAS A COMPLAINT. SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SERGEANT? ARE YOU 
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SERGEANT? SERGEANT HUTCHINGS? I WOULD JUST LIKE YOUR THOUGHTS. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK FREELY. YEAH, I DO COMPLAINTS. SURE. MY FIRST THOUGHT IS EDUCATION. HOW DO WE GET EDUCATION SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE RESTRICTIONS AND THE REQUIREMENTS. MY SECOND ONE AGAIN IS ENFORCEMENT. AND THEN ALONG WITH ENFORCEMENT, HOW DO WE AS OFFICERS SAY WE HAVE ONE TRAVELING AFTER DARK AND WE TRY TO MAKE A STOP AND THE GOLF CART RUNS RIGHT, LIKE ARE WE ENDANGERING THEM MORE? A LOW SPEED CHASE. CHASE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT WHITE BRONCO, THE SKATE PARK DRIVING GOLF CART ON THERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT CAN OCCUR. AND THOSE ARE GOING TO OCCUR WHETHER THERE'S A LAW OR NOT. BUT WE CAN RIGHT NOW, MAYBE IT'S NOT ON THE RADAR. SO THEY'RE NOT DOING THOSE THINGS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. ALL IT TAKES IS A TIKTOK CHALLENGE. OH. OH GEEZ. 
          OH, MAN. OKAY. NO MATTER IF THEY'RE ALLOWED OR NOT. JUST KIND OF LIKE MASSAGE PARLOR WINDOWS. AND I JUST. I SUGGEST WE'VE ASKED SERGEANT HUTCHINGS AND LIEUTENANT SAUNDERS TO REALLY TAKE A DEEP DIVE IN THE CONSEQUENCES OF GOLF CARTS ON, ON MUNICIPAL STREETS. SO IF YOU WANT AN ORDINANCE, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT. YES, YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL ME, BUT I WOULD OFFER UP TO JOSH. I GOT TWO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS HERE TAKING A DIVE. SO WHOEVER YOU ASSIGN TO DRAFT THE ORDINANCE, WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE THAT MAY BE NARROW, THE SAFETY PARAMETERS, THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE SEEN THUS FAR. HONESTLY, NOBODY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S THE 13, 14 YEAR OLDS WHOSE PARENTS JUST GIVE THEM THE KEYS. NO PARENTS? YEAH, FOR THE KIDS, YOU KNOW, STEAL IT. TAKE OFF WITHOUT TELLING THE PARENTS, RIGHT? OH, MY KIDS WOULD NEVER DO THAT, I THINK I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY. LET'S ALL WORK TOGETHER. YEAH, SOMETHING I LIKE IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. USE YOUR EXPERTS AND LET'S BE SURE THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FINE MATHEMATICIANS THAT WOULD LOVE TO JOIN THE TABLE. LET'S SEE SOME NUMBERS. 
          THANK YOU. FINE ANSWERS. SO WE'D LIKE YOU TO STAY TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGETS AS WELL. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN HELP US TALK ABOUT THE UTILITY FUND BUDGET FOR GOLF CART THE IT THE IT BUDGET. SO 
          [d.
 Discussion of Public Utilities Department, Risk, and IT Services Budget]
BECAUSE WE GET OUR BUDGET SO LATE IN THE YEAR, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS PUBLIC UTILITIES RISK OR IT. SO THAT IS COMING TO US TONIGHT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE MR. DAVENPORT IS JOINING DENISE. 
          YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO JUST KIND OF FLIP THROUGH SOME OF THESE SLIDES AND STOP ME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. AND GREG IS HERE TO ANSWER SPECIFICS ABOUT EACH OF THE UTILITIES. SO BRIAN IS NOT HERE. SO DON'T ASK ANYTHING ABOUT SOLID. OH NEVER MIND. THERE WE GO. OH TRAVIS ISN'T GOING TO ANSWER SOLID WASTE EITHER. NOBODY'S HERE. SO I ANSWER YOU. OH, HE'S IN THE OTHER ROOM. OH, SORRY. IT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION. NO. ALL RIGHT, SO SOME OF THE CHANGES FROM THE PRIOR YEAR BUDGET, JUST KIND OF COMPARING THEM OR FOCUSING ON THEM. YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE GENERAL FUND. WELL, YOU'VE APPROVED ALL THE BUDGETS, BUT YOU CAN CHANGE ANYTHING YOU WANT. WE ADDED A FULL TIME WATER CONSERVATION COORDINATOR. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TITLE IS YET. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE POSTING. SO WHATEVER THEY CALL THEM, WATER CONSERVATION, WE PLAY THAT WORD INTO AN ACRONYM BECAUSE THIS HASN'T BEEN APPROVED, RIGHT? I HAVEN'T GONE AND APPLIED, BUT I'LL PROBABLY TALK TO JORDAN VALLEY ABOUT WHAT GOES IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION. SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE RESPOND TO THE GRANTS. RIGHT. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE CITIES WHO HAVE THAT. SO I'LL GET A COPY OF WHAT THEY DO. I BEFORE I DID ALL THAT AND HIRED SOMEONE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE HERE NOW KIND OF HELP US. SOUTH JORDAN IS UP FOR. THE OTHER THING THAT WILL BE SHARED WITHIN ALL THE UTILITIES IS THE UTILITY BILLING SOFTWARE. WE HAVE NOT SELECTED ONE YET. THE RFP IS OUT RIGHT NOW AND WE'LL GET A RESPONSE THIS NEXT WEEK. BUT WE HAVE SOME ESTIMATES IN THE BUDGET THAT YOU THAT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED. AND THE WATER FUND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE HYDRO EXCAVATOR, THESE ARE GOING TO BE PURCHASED IN THE FLEET FUND. BUT THE WATER FUND WILL PAY THE FLEET FUND FOR THEM A TEN WHEEL MACK DUMP TRUCK AND THEN A WATER STUDY. THAT'S NOT IN THE FLEET FUND, THAT'S IN THE WATER FUND FOR TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WATER NEEDS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BETWEEN ZONE FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN. AND WHAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR US TO PROVIDE STORAGE AND TRANSMISSION AND ALL THOSE THINGS. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WATER FUND THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. AND THEN IN THE STORMWATER FUND, $50,000 FOR 
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WEED ABATEMENT WAS ADDED AS WELL. OTHERWISE, THE OTHER BUDGETS ARE PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY WERE LAST YEAR. BUT I'M GOING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME STATS AND ALSO SHOW YOU HOW THOSE BUDGETS HAVE CHANGED DUE TO INFLATION OR CHANGES WITH THE SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE OUR COLLECTION CONTRACT WITH ACE OR SOUTH VALLEY WATER RECLAMATION, THOSE KINDS OF JORDAN VALLEY, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS RIGHT OFF THE BAT IS A UTILITY BILL CHANGE. SO THE MAYOR'S BUDGET RECOMMENDED THE FOLLOWING INCREASES. AND COUNCIL, WHEN YOU ADOPTED THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE THESE HAVE BEEN APPROVED. HOWEVER THESE DON'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST, SO COMPLETELY CHANGE THEM IF YOU FEEL NECESSARY. EXCUSE ME. IN WATER, WE DID A 3.5% RATE INCREASE ON JORDAN VALLEY'S RATE INCREASED TO US IS 3.9%. SO PRETTY CONSISTENT THERE. YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT WILL. THIS IS ASSUMING A CUSTOMER THAT USES 5000 GALLONS A MONTH, WHICH IS A LOT FOR A LOW WATER USER IN THE FALL OR WINTER TIME, BUT NOT A LOT FOR A FAMILY USER. THEIR BILL WOULD GO UP $1.13. I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN AND MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT YOUR BILL, BUT WE HAVE BROKEN OUT THE DIFFERENCE ON YOUR SEWER RATE BETWEEN THE TREATMENT PLANT NOW AND THE CITY'S DELIVERY SYSTEM. WE'RE DOING THAT INTENTIONALLY SO THAT RESIDENTS ARE AWARE THAT SOME OF THOSE INCREASES WERE NOT ABLE TO INFLUENCE VERY MUCH. SO OUR SEWER DELIVERY SYSTEM, THAT RATE'S GOING TO GO DOWN BY 3.9%. THAT'S THE VOLUME RATE FOR THE AMOUNT OF SEWAGE THAT'S GOING THROUGH OUR LINES. AND ALSO THE A LITTLE BIT OF THE BASE RATE BUT NOT VERY MUCH OF IT. SEWER TREATMENT. HOWEVER, THE AMOUNT OF THE FEE THAT WE'RE RECEIVING ON SEWER ON A BASE RATE, IT'S A FIXED RATE FOR SOUTH VALLEY. IT DOESN'T CHANGE NO MATTER HOW MUCH FLOW WE SEND DOWN THERE. 
          AND SO THAT FIXED RATE IS ONLY A BASE RATE. AND THAT CHANGED $1.94. OVERALL, THE SEWER RATE WAS INCREASED BY 3.5%. BUT IT'S JUST HOW WE DISTRIBUTED THAT INCREASE. THE MAJORITY OF IT WENT TO SOUTH VALLEY WATER SOLID WASTE. WE INCREASED THE RATE. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS RATE INCREASE AS WELL BY 5.5%, UP $1.22. STORMWATER 3.5%, UP $0.24. AND STREET LIGHT 7.3%, UP $0.22 OVERALL MONTHLY. FOR THIS USER, IT WOULD BE 4% INCREASE AND THE CHANGE WOULD BE $4.18 A MONTH. I WOULD LIKE TO VOICE MY OPINION THAT ON WATER, I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO INCREASE THE COST TO OUR LANDSCAPE USERS, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE CONCERN IS, AND MAYBE NOT THE RESIDENTS SO MUCH I. COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM HAS SHARED WITH ME MULTIPLE TIMES HOW AT HER HOA THEY WATER EVERY DAY AND SHE'S TALKED TO THEM. SHE'S TALKED TO HOA BOARD. SHE'S TRIED TO COMMUNICATE AND THEY DON'T CARE. AND MY GUESS IS THEY PROBABLY ARE PAYING OUR LANDSCAPE RATE. 
          AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT IS WHAT WE ALWAYS HEAR. CHANGE YOUR LANDSCAPING. DO THIS. YOU KNOW? SO TO ME, IT JUST MAKES SENSE THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT INCREASING OUR LANDSCAPE RATES A LITTLE MORE THAN OUR RESIDENTIAL. AND I DIDN'T BRING MY BOOK BECAUSE I FORGOT. AND I'M WITH I'M WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK AND DENISE, YOU AND I HAVE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO I ACTUALLY THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE TIERS AS WELL. 
          YOU'VE GOT YOUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER, THE SECOND TIER IS RESIDENTIAL AND ESSENTIAL LANDSCAPE. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS COMMERCIAL LANDSCAPE AND FOURTH ONE IS INDUSTRIAL LANDSCAPE. AND THE FIFTH ONE IS THE PEOPLE THAT USE THE HELL OUT OF WATER RATE. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD CALL IT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE DANAANS AND THE OZS OF THE WORLD, RIGHT? THEY'RE THE MEGA INDUSTRIAL. BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS START, START TO DIFFERENTIATE THAT THIS IS RESIDENTIAL USE. THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH RESIDENTIAL AND ESSENTIAL LANDSCAPE. WHEN YOU GET INTO THE TIER THREE, YOU'RE STARTING TO USE THAT AS COMMERCIAL LANDSCAPING. AND ONCE WE HIT THAT TIER, LEVEL THREE. I AGREE WE NEED TO INCREASE, PARTICULARLY IN TEARS. TEARS 
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BECAUSE TIER FIVE IS OUR BIG BUSINESSES MANUFACTURING. AND SO THAT'S THE MANUFACTURING. THAT'S THE MANUFACTURING RATE. BUT TIERS BUT TIERS LARGE HOSE AS WELL. YEAH I WANT TO BET YOUR YOUR AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL COULD GO UP TO TIER THREE. I'LL BET LIKE AT MY HOME I'LL JUST I'M ON A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT OR A LITTLE SMALLER THAN A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT IN THE SUMMER FOR ONE FOR ONE MONTH. I'LL BET I'M BETWEEN 25 AND 32 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? HOW ABOUT A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN WEST JORDAN IN THE SUMMERTIME GET UP INTO TIER THREE? BUT WE NEED TO SEND THE MESSAGE THAT WE NEED TO STAY OUT, THAT THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION AND TRY TO STAY OUT OF TIER THREE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. ONE, IT SAVES THEM MONEY AND TWO, IT IS A GOOD WATER CONSERVATION MEASURE. SO NOT ONLY WITH WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE NAMES OF THE TIERS CHANGED. YEAH. NO, I'M. I THINK WE CAN CHANGE THE NAMES. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO CALL IT COMMERCIAL. A LOT OF MY COMMERCIAL USERS NOW DON'T HAVE LAWN AT ALL. I WAS GOING TO SAY, AND THEY HAVE REALLY CHANGED THEIR. AND MAYBE THERE'S A BETTER TERM FOR THAT. BUT WHAT WHAT I'M WHAT I'M TRYING WITH CHANGING THE NAME. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS MAYBE THERE'S A BETTER NAME, MAYBE ABOVE AVERAGE, MAYBE EXTREME. I DON'T KNOW SOMETHING, BUT YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT, GREG, IS WHAT WE WANT, WHAT WE WHAT WE WANT MOST RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS TO FOCUS ON IS THE TWO LOWER TIERS. AND IF YOU DRIFT INTO TIER THREE EVERY NOW AND TIER ONE BASE RATE, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT KIND OF THING ANYWAY. AND I AGREE THAT WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE WATER USAGE OF HOSE THAT ARE WATERING EVERY DAY, THEY NEED TO PAY FOR THAT NEEDS TO BE A BECAUSE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO IF YOU WANT TO GET TO IT, THEY'RE PROBABLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE RUNNING THE WELLS MORE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO IS RESTRICT THAT, PARTICULARLY IN THE HEAVY USE DAYS. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT JORDAN VALLEY PICKS THE HEAVIEST USE DATE, WHICH WAS PROBABLY LAST WEEK WHEN IT WAS HOTTER THAN. HECK, IT'LL BE IT'LL BE IT'LL BE IN TWO WEEKS. 
          SO OUR WE'RE ALWAYS TYPICALLY BETWEEN JULY 20TH AND JULY 28TH IS GOING TO BE WESTERN'S PEAK TIME. AND JORDAN VALLEY'S WILL BE THE FIRST WEEK IN AUGUST. AND WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO IS CONVINCE AND WORK WITH EDUCATION AND PRICING TO TRY TO KEEP MOST OF OUR USERS IN THOSE TIER ONE AND TWO. OUR CONCERN IS, THOUGH, THAT YOU PUSH THEM INTO TIER ONE AND TWO, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE THE TIER ONE AND TWO TO CAPTURE BACK THE MONEY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE WATER. SO WE WERE WHEN WE DID THE STUDY, WE WERE SUPER CAREFUL ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE CHECKED THE TYPE OF USE OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND LANDSCAPE AND THEN SPLIT THAT COST OUT BASED ON USAGE AND THEN THE REVENUE REQUIREMENT. MY WATER BILL WAS REALLY GOOD UNTIL LAST MONTH. WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AT JORDAN VALLEY ALL THE TIME. WE ACTUALLY IT'S HARD HAVING A BUSINESS WHERE YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE DEPARTMENT THAT IS DEDICATED TO REDUCING YOUR REVENUE. YEAH, EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, CONSERVATION PERSON, THEIR THEIR JOB IS TO REDUCE REVENUE IN THE WATER. RIGHT. WELL, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE RELYING ON THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WHOLE THEORY OF THE TIERS AND EVERYTHING. I AGREE THAT LANDSCAPE RATES PROBABLY NEED TO COME UP TO AT LEAST WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL RATES ARE. AND THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S FAIR. WE COULD DO THAT FOR SURE. AND THAT WOULD CHANGE. THEIR BASE CHARGE IS LIKELY TO CHANGE. SO I'M GOING TO CHARGE WEST JORDAN CITY MORE TO WE HAVE A CITY RATE THAT'S 50%. THAT'S DIFFERENT. I HAVE MYSELF COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB WHERE LANDSCAPE THE SAME AS RESIDENTIAL. ALL RIGHT. IT ALMOST IS. IT IS I THINK WHERE YOU'VE GOT AT LEAST SIX POSSIBLY SEVEN. I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT. I'M GOING TO DO THAT. STREETLIGHTS DENISE IS THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE BECAUSE OF ALL THE THEFT OR JUST BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO GO OVER THAT. YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S PARTLY UTILITIES POWER. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A CHANGE THERE. SO I'M KIND OF EXCITED FOR THIS DISCUSSION. SO GIVE ME A MINUTE. WE'LL GET TO THERE. REALLY GOOD WHEN WE GET TO THAT. IF WE COULD GET HELP FROM OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO ACHIEVE A THE REASONS THAT THAT IT'S REALLY SMALL, BUT IT'S STILL AN INCREASE AND. AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF WE UNDERSTAND THAT IF THE GUY HAS AN ORANGE VEST AND A HAT, BUT THE TRUCK NEXT TO HIM DOESN'T HAVE THE WEST JORDAN SEAL, MAYBE YOU SHOULD CALL THE POLICE, RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE STEALING AT NIGHT. HE HAS A ROCKY MOUNTAIN 
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POWER, ABSOLUTELY. ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER. MY WIFE WHEN I'M GOING. ALRIGHT, SO WATER FUND, WE'RE GOING TO START HERE. 3.5% RATE INCREASE THIS YEAR. AND THEN OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN SHOWS 3.5% EVERY YEAR THEREAFTER. OF COURSE, WE'RE SUBJECT TO WATER USE AND WATER PURCHASE, THE PURCHASE OF THE SYSTEM. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT WE'VE PROJECTED THINGS, I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN KEEP THAT RATE JUST GRADUALLY GOING UP SLOWLY. THIS IS THE WATER FUND. SO I'VE KIND OF GRAYED OUT THE PREVIOUS YEARS SO WE CAN FOCUS ON THE BUDGET. BUT RIGHT NOW I REANALYZED WATER TODAY AND I'M LIKE, OH, I THINK I MISSED IT A LITTLE. I BELIEVE I NEED TO DO AN AMENDMENT REQUEST TO INCREASE OUR SALES BY ABOUT $2 MILLION. IF YOU CAN SEE, LAST YEAR THROUGH JUNE 30TH, I'M GOING TO GET ABOUT $32 MILLION, AND I BUDGETED 29 MILLION BUDGETED IN APRIL. 
          BEFORE WE HAVE THIS BIG RUSH ON WATER. SO. I'M GOING TO ASK FOR $2 MILLION TO INCREASE IN SALES AND THEN INCREASE THE WATER PURCHASE BY ABOUT $1.25 MILLION, BECAUSE MY PURCHASE RIGHT NOW IS AT 13.5. IF WATER USE REMAINS CONSISTENT, WHICH AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT CHANGES WITH THE WEATHER PATTERNS. I'M GOING TO NEED A LITTLE MORE PURCHASE OF WATER. CAPITAL INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY, AND WE'LL GO OVER THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS IN A MOMENT. I ALSO WANT TO FOCUS YOU ON THE RESERVES AT THE BOTTOM. OUR RESERVES ARE GOOD. HOWEVER, WE'RE UPSIDE DOWN IN THAT WE'VE INVESTED INTO THE WATER SYSTEM, BUT WE'RE WAITING FOR DEVELOPMENT TO GIVE US BACK OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT, WHICH WE CONTINUE TO HAVE TO INVEST FOR DEVELOPMENT TO CONTINUE TO COME. 
          SO EVENTUALLY WE'LL HOPEFULLY COME SORT OF CLOSE TO GETTING THAT BACK. IF NOT, THE UTILITY WILL HAVE TO TAKE OVER FOR THAT AT SOME POINT. BUT WE ARE -$16 MILLION IN THE IMPACT FEE RESERVES AFTER THIS YEAR. BUT WE HAVE STRONG RESERVES IN THE UTILITY WHICH ARE CARRYING THE IMPACT FEES. WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN LEVEL OF RESERVES. RIGHT? WE DO, BUT IT'S WELL UNDER WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. YES. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE INTERESTING CHART FOR ME. SOME THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE CHART IS THE COST PER ACRE FOOT. SO THIS IS WHAT OUR AVERAGE COST HAS BEEN ON YEAR OVER YEAR. IT ISN'T EXACTLY WHAT JORDAN VALLEY MAY CHARGE AS A FLAT RATE, BUT IT IS WHAT THE AVERAGE COST OF OUR BILL DIVIDED BY OUR ACRE FEET PURCHASED IS. SO FOR 2026 IT WILL BE ABOUT $630 PER ACRE FOOT. AN ACRE FOOT IS ABOUT 325,000 GALLONS. BUT ON THIS OTHER SIDE, ON THE LEFT SIDE, THIS IS THE DARK BLUE LINE IS THE MINIMUM PURCHASE, RIGHT? WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT TO HAVE A MINIMUM PURCHASE. WE CHANGE THAT IN 2021 AND WE UPPED IT. THANK GOODNESS. OUR MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY CONTRACT IS 20% ABOVE THE MINIMUM PURCHASE. THAT'S WHAT OUR CONTRACT WILL ALLOW US TO TAKE. THERE HAVE BEEN MOMENTS OR TIMES WHEN WE'VE HAD TO TAKE MORE THAN THAT, BUT THEY WILL CHARGE US A PREMIUM FOR IT. THEY CAN RESTRICT THAT AND THEY CAN RESTRICT THAT. SO OUR MAXIMUM IS 22,000. IT'S 20% TIMES 18,000, WHICH IS ABOUT 22,500. SO YOU CAN SEE IN 2021 WE HIT THE MAXIMUM BY A LITTLE BIT. WE WENT 76 ACRE FEET OVER THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED. AND THEN NEXT YEAR I'M BUDGETING FOR THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED. SO THAT ORANGE LINE IS OUR ACTUAL USE. HOW MANY ACRE FEET WE ACTUALLY USED OVER TIME. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THAT CHANGES WITH SOME WETTER WEATHER PATTERNS IN 2022. WE'VE USED FAR LESS WATER THAN WE RAMPED OURSELVES BACK UP. I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, IS WHY ARE WE USING SO MUCH WATER? AND YES, PART OF IT IS WEATHER PATTERN. BUT YOU ALSO SEE THIS IN ECONOMIC BEHAVIOR. THERE BECOMES FATIGUE AFTER A WHILE. EVERYONE'S LIKE, WELL, I'VE HAD A BROWN YARD FOR THREE YEARS IN A ROW. I'M TIRED OF HAVING A BROWN YARD. I'M GOING TO HAVE A GREEN YARD THIS YEAR. THERE'S THE FATIGUE OF WATER CONSERVATION. IF YOU HAVEN'T CHANGED YOUR LANDSCAPING OR DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY, THAT THEY'LL RAMP BACK UP AND THEN THEY'LL COME BACK DOWN ONCE PRICING, ONCE THEY SEE THEIR BILL AND THEIR. CAN I GIVE SOME GOOD NEWS ON THAT? PLEASE DO. IN MAY, WE WERE 8% OVER LAST YEAR'S USE. WE SENT OUT THAT NEWSLETTER. YOU'RE BACK DOWN TO 2% OVER LAST YEAR'S USE. SO JUST FROM JUNE RESIDENTS, THE MESSAGING OVERALL THROUGH THE YEAR. RIGHT. SO COMPARED TO LAST YEAR WE ARE ONLY 2% OVER WHAT WE USED LAST YEAR INSTEAD OF IN MAY. WE WERE 8% OVER WHAT WE HAD USED UP TO THAT TIME FROM LAST YEAR. SO JUNE WAS A BETTER MONTH FOR US. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IN JUNE WE USED LESS WATER TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE. WE USE LESS 
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WATER THIS YEAR THAN WE DID LAST YEAR IN JUNE, AND MORE RAIN IN JUNE THIS YEAR. THAT'S TRUE. SO JUST AS A HEADS UP, WE CAN'T YOU CAN'T BUDGET FOR RAIN. I REALLY WISH WE COULD BUDGET FOR RAIN. 
          DON'T YOU HAVE INSIGHTS WITH THE GUY THAT HELPED YOU TO WRITE THAT? I USED TO, BUT THEN I QUIT THAT JOB. THIS IS A LIST OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE WATER FUND. WE'RE FINISHING UP THE CEMETERY. TANK AND TRANSMISSION LINE IS ON TWO BOOSTER PUMP STATION DOING ABOUT $8 MILLION OF BRAND NEW PROJECTS. SO ZONE FIVE NORTH SYSTEM DESIGN THE TRANSMISSION LINE FOR ZONE FIVE SOUTH WELL A AND POND AT ROUNDWOOD PARK TO SUPPORT THE FIELDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING. SO I GOT A QUESTION ON THE POND AT ROUNDWOOD PARK. OKAY, I HAVE HEARD THAT WE'RE GOING TO FENCE THAT POND OFF. YES. WHY AREN'T WE INCORPORATING THAT POND INTO THE PARK DESIGN? SO IT COULD BE USED FOR, LIKE, IF URBAN FISHING POND. WE CONSIDERED THAT A LITTLE LATE IN THE PROCESS. THE SHORT ANSWER IS DRAMATIC COST INCREASE, REDESIGN OF THE PARK AND THE FIELDS, AND TO THE POINT THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THOSE FIELDS DONE WHEN THE SOCCER FIELDS ARE COMING ON. ITS CURRENT LOCATION ALSO IS IN A SENSITIVE LOCATION. IT'S NEAR OUR WELL AND ALSO OUR RESERVOIRS. WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE IT DRAMATICALLY TO A NEW LOCATION TO LET ALL OF THE PUBLIC. WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A POND AND IRRIGATION POND. HOW CAN WE MAKE IT A FEATURE, AN ASSET, NOT A LIABILITY TO BE FENCED OFF? SO WE DID CONSIDER IT NOW URBAN FISHERIES CHALLENGING BECAUSE THIS IS A POND. THAT'S THE WATER LEVEL IS GOING TO DRAIN ALL THE TIME ALL THE TIME. SO IT'S NOT GREAT FOR A STABLE FISH POPULATION. WE CONSIDERED EVEN JUST VISUAL. RIGHT. LIKE PEOPLE LIKE TO BE AROUND WATER. A FOUNTAIN IN THE MIDDLE OF IT OR SOMETHING. CAN WE MAKE IT AN ASSET? WE DID LOOK INTO THAT, BUT IT WAS IT JUST IT JUST SEEMS LIKE REDESIGN OF IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ESTHETICS AND UTILITY IN A PARK, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE VETERANS PARK MASTER PLAN OF TURNING THAT IRRIGATION POND INTO AN URBAN FISHERY AND USING IT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT THEN WE BUILD IT. WE'RE BUILDING A NEW ONE. ARE WE MAKING THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE? AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, IS WE'RE MAKING THAT SAME MISTAKE. THIS ONE, THIS ONE IS THE POND IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED RIGHT NEXT TO THE WELL, WHICH IS A CORNER OF THE PARK THAT'S NOT NEAR THE PARK OR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK. IT'S BETWEEN THE WATER TANKS AND THE MAINTENANCE YARD IS WHERE THE POND WILL BE. 
          SO IT'S TO MOVE IT INTO A AREA OF THE PARK WHERE IT BRINGS ESTHETIC RECREATION VALUE, HENCE THE COST. COULD IT BE KEPT WHERE IT'S AT AND MADE TO BE USABLE BY THE PUBLIC? YOU CAN LOOK AT MAYBE. RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M I LOVE THE IDEA AND THE CREATIVITY IT IS A PART OF. AGAIN, IT'S A PART OF THE IT'S THE PART OF THE OVERALL SITE WHERE WE'RE KIND OF KEEPING THE PUBLIC OUT OF THE WELL HOUSE, THE WATER TANKS, THE MAINTENANCE YARD. IF WE DID THAT RIGHT NOW, IT IS NOT. IT'S GOING TO BE DULL. SO PART OF IT WILL GO INTO OUR CULINARY SYSTEM AND PART WILL GO INTO THE POND. IF WE MADE IT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, IT WOULD ALL HAVE TO GO TO THE POND TO PUMP, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE TOO BIG OF A DANGER FOR ME TO HAVE AN ACCESS POINT TO OUR PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE COULD GET TO REALLY, REALLY EASILY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I WAS JUST ASKING BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE DID ABOUT THREE ITERATIONS OF HOW CAN WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK? HOW CAN WE MAKE IT AN ASSET? IT'S TOUGH. IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WATER IS SO PRECIOUS, AND THE ABILITY TO BE BY WATER AND INTERACT WITH WATER OR SEA WATER IN A DRY STATE LIKE THIS IN A PARK WOULD BE REALLY SOMETHING. IT WOULD BE REALLY A NEAT AMENITY IF WE COULD MAKE IT WORK WELL. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SEWER FUND AGAIN. WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE CHANGED IT INTO TWO LINES ON THE BILL, 3.5% FEE INCREASE OVERALL WITH 3.5% FEE INCREASE IS ANTICIPATED EACH YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THIS IS DRAMATICALLY LESS THAN WHAT OUR ANTICIPATED INCREASES WERE IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, BECAUSE SOUTH VALLEY WATER RECLAMATION HAS LOOKED AT THEIR CAPITAL PLAN AND GIVEN US A STRONGER RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT OUR SPENDING WILL BE OVER TIME. 
          SO IT'S ALLOWED US TO BRING THAT RATE INCREASE THAT WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE ABOUT 10% A 
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YEAR, DOWN TO ABOUT 3.5% A YEAR. SO WHO'S ON THE BOARD THAT KEEPS PUSHING THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING GOOD JOB? GREG. DAVE MURPHY HAS BEEN THE ONE THAT'S TRIED TO LET THEM KNOW THAT NEEDS AND WANTS US TO OUR NEEDS. FIRST, LET'S PUT THE WANTS OFF UNTIL WE HAVE RETIRED SOME BONDING AND WE NEED STUFF. SO I THINK HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THAT. WE'VE ALSO DONE A GOOD JOB OF BRINGING THE FINANCE DIRECTORS FOR ALL OF THE ENTITIES IN FOR A MEETING TWICE A YEAR, AND WE REALLY STRONGLY ADVOCATE FOR FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY. SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY HELPED, THOUGH. THEY'VE STARTED TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE'RE SAYING. ALL RIGHT. SO THE SEWER FUND, THE UTILITY FEES ARE UP ABOUT 8.6%. THAT'S DUE TO USE AND VOLUME AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. SO IT'S NOT JUST A RATE INCREASE, IMPACT FEES, $1 MILLION BUDGET AND THEN OPERATIONS OVERALL FOR OUR OPERATIONAL SIDE IS 6.7% INCREASE. THE TREATMENT PLANT, HOWEVER, IS A 10% INCREASE. SO WE ARE SEEING THOSE COSTS CONTINUE TO RISE, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THEM BY MANAGING THE DELIVERY SIDE AND THEN CAPITAL. WE'RE AT 1.4 MILLION IN THE BUDGET. OUR RESERVES AGAIN ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AS THE WATER FUND. SO OUR IMPACT FEES ARE UPSIDE DOWN BY ABOUT ALMOST $14 MILLION. AND THE UTILITY IS CARRYING IT WITH $20 MILLION IN RESERVES. SO IN THEORY, IF AND WHEN THESE RESERVES, AS THE IMPACT FEES COME IN, REALLY, IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SMOKE AND MIRRORS GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING THAT WE ALL TALK ABOUT, IF ALL THE IMPACT FEES CAME IN AT ONCE, WE WOULD HAVE A $33 MILLION RESERVE. EXACTLY. 
          RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND, AND THE THEORY RIGHT NOW IS, IS THAT OUR SYSTEM IS PRETTY NEW COMPARED TO LIKE SOME CITIES. RIGHT. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, IS WE'D START INVESTING IN A REPLACEMENT PLAN, RIGHT, OF THAT, OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE HOPING THAT IMPACT FEES WILL DO THAT SO THAT WE WILL HAVE A GOOD REPLACEMENT PLAN FOR IT. WE GET THE MONEY FROM THE IMPACT FEE SO THAT WE CAN REPLACE THIS IN THE RESERVES TO REPLACE. YES, YES, MAINTENANCE IS $1.4 MILLION THIS YEAR, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN GET DONE IN A YEAR. SOLID WASTE. THE INCREASE HERE IS 5.5% ACE DISPOSAL WITH OUR CONTRACT RENEWAL THIS YEAR IS A 4.3% INCREASE. SO DO WE RENEWED THE CONTRACT THIS YEAR? WE RENEWED IT THIS YEAR. AND WE HAVE ONE MORE YEAR OF RENEWAL. AND THEN IT WILL GO OUT TO BID CONTRACT. THIS. WE'RE IN THE WE'RE PART OF THE FIVE YEAR. WE'RE STILL ON THE RENEWAL. AND THEN SEVEN YEARS. SO A YEAR AFTER NEXT WE'LL HAVE TO PUT IT OUT FOR RFP. AND THAT BECAUSE THAT'S SUCH A COMPLICATED PROCESS, IT'S LIKELY THAT WE'LL START THAT PROCESS EARLY IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR SO THAT WE'LL HAVE A CONTRACT THIS FISCAL. IT MAY EVEN BE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. YEAH. IT'S. 5.5% THIS YEAR, 4 TO 5% RATE INCREASES ANTICIPATED YEAR OVER YEAR. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS THAT THE RESERVES ARE INCREASING. BUT THAT WAS INTENTIONAL, RIGHT. WE WANT TO LIFT THAT A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME, MAKE IT GRADUAL FOR OUR RESIDENTS, BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, RIGHT. THE COLLECTION CONTRACT WILL NEED TO GO OUT TO BID BY JUNE 30TH. WELL, WE'LL NEED TO HAVE A CONTRACT IN PLACE BY JUNE 30TH, 2027. RIGHT? SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT FROM THAT CHANGE WILL BE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE LANDFILL CLOSING AND TRANSFER MAKING A TRANSFER STATION. AND THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT IS QUITE YET. IT'S JUST STARTED. SO THIS YEAR TRANS-JORDAN DECIDED TO HOLD OUR RATE OF $26 PER TON FOR LANDFILL, WHICH IS GREAT FOR US FOR ANOTHER YEAR. SO WE PAID $26 A TON LAST YEAR. THEY'RE GOING TO HOLD THAT RATE FOR THIS YEAR. HOWEVER, WE'RE STILL GOING TO LIFT THAT RATE A LITTLE BIT FOR OUR USERS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT DRAMATIC CHANGE WHEN SOME OF THESE THINGS COME INTO PLACE IN ANOTHER YEAR IS ARE WE? WE'RE WE'RE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT INCREASING, WE ARE TO ABSORB THE STICKER SHOCK OF GOING FROM A TO C, WE'RE GOING A, B, C. EXACTLY. OKAY. YEAH. THIS IS WHAT THE COUNCIL HAD KIND OF ASKED FOR A COUPLE YEARS AGO. AND WE WORKED ON THE BUDGET IS TO DO JUST A STEADY INCREASE SO THAT IT'S NOT A STICKER SHOCK. YEAH. WELL, DENISE, CAN I ADD TO THAT? ABSOLUTELY. JUST TO ADD TO THAT TOO, OUR TONNAGE FOR YEAR TO DATE IT, WE'RE DOWN 5%. SORT OF. YES. WE ARE DOWN RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. HOW DO WE CAN I ASK A DUMB QUESTION. HOW DO WE GO DOWN WITH GARBAGE 5% I THINK LOOK AT THIS 
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CHART. SERIOUSLY, I HAVE NO WAY OF PREDICTING THIS. IT'S TRUE CONSENT. WHEN CONSUMPTION GOES DOWN, A LOT OF THE CITIES ARE DOWN. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN A HOUSEHOLD RECYCLE BETTER. THAT'S NICE. YEAH. LANDFILL. WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS OPERATIONS INCREASE ABOUT 10%. OUR COLLECTION INCREASE IS 6.3%. LANDFILL IS AT 7.1%. AGAIN, THAT'S JUST BASED ON. 
          50. SO THEY'VE DONE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE ALSO HAD COPPER THEFT GOING ON AND REPLACEMENT OF THAT COPPER WITH SOME DIFFERENT MATERIALS SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE THEFT OPPORTUNITIES. BUT THIS ORANGE LINE, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE COST OF ELECTRICITY. SO PART OF THIS PROJECT WAS ALSO TO BRING LED INTO THOSE STREETLIGHTS TO REDUCE THE COST OF ELECTRICITY. THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL UNTIL ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER DID A HUGE RATE INCREASE. AND SO WHAT YOU SEE IS WE WERE ADDING, ADDING, ADDING STREETLIGHTS. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE COST OF POWER INCREASED AND YOU SEE THIS HUGE BUMP, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER BUMP NEXT YEAR. SO WHAT POWER USED TO COST US $100,000 IN 2023? BECAUSE WE CONVERTED A LOT OF THOSE STREETLIGHTS INTO LED IN 2026, WE ANTICIPATE THAT SAME POWER WITH ONLY 700 ADDITIONAL STREETLIGHTS TO COST US $215,000. SO IT'S SUBSTANTIAL. 
          WE ARE MANAGING MAINTENANCE AND INSTALLATION OF NEW STREETLIGHTS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS IN RESERVES FOR THE STREETLIGHT FUND. SO IT'S KIND OF HOW WE'RE DOING THAT OVERALL. 
          THE STORMWATER FUND, WE ARE DOING A 3.5% RATE INCREASE. THIS IS AN INTEREST. WE'RE AN INTERESTING PLACE. GREG AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT STORMWATER. WE ARE GETTING TO THE END OF BUILDING OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM OUT, AND IT'S IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN WATER AND SEWER LIKE FAR DIFFERENT. SO WE ARE GOING TO STUDY WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO COLLECT IMPACT FEES FOR STORMWATER STARTING NEXT YEAR OR REDUCE THEM TREMENDOUSLY. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ENOUGH RESERVES TO BUILD THE SYSTEM OUT FOR THE COST ESTIMATES THAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, RIGHT? SOMETHING CAN CHANGE WITH CONSTRUCTION, HOWEVER, TO BUILD THE SYSTEM OUT WITH WHAT WE KNOW NOW, WE HAVE ENOUGH RESERVES TO DO SO AND WE COLLECT LIKE ONE, MAYBE TWO MORE YEARS AND THEN WE WOULD CUT THAT FEE DOWN, UNLIKE THE OTHER FUNDS, WHERE IF YOU SAW WE WERE IN THE NEGATIVE FOR IMPACT FEES, WE'RE IN THE POSITIVE AND IMPACT FEES FOR STORMWATER. THAT'S WHY IT'S IN SUCH BETTER SHAPE. AND AGAIN, THE CALCULATION FOR THAT IMPACT FEE I FEEL LIKE WAS DONE BETTER. SO IMPACT FEES HAS $7.3 MILLION IN RESERVES AFTER NEXT YEAR. AND WE HAVE 3 MILLION, $3.8 MILLION IN UTILITY FEES. SO THE UTILITY FEES AREN'T CARRYING ANYTHING. 
          DEVELOPMENT TENDS TO PAY FOR ITSELF IN STORMWATER. SO GOOD NEWS THERE. SO QUESTION ON THAT STORMWATER LINE ON THE FIELD. YES. YOU TALKED ABOUT DECREASING IMPACT FEES BUT REALLY CONFIDENT THAT IT BINDS. THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR THAT. HOW DO WE REDUCE RESIDENT COSTS OR DOES THE IMPACT AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS FUND AND THE OTHERS IS IN THIS FUND. IT'S ONE WHERE THE RESIDENTS HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE POSITIVE. SO WHAT THAT SAYS IS THAT DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY PAYING THEIR WAY IN THIS THING. AND THAT'S WHY IT MAY NOT HELP RESIDENTS IN THE LONG TERM. EXACTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. HOWEVER, THE RATE INCREASE THAT WE ARE PREDICTING OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS 1% OR LESS. SO WE ARE GOING TO BE HOLDING THAT RATE OVER TIME. DEPENDING ON HOW HAS THE STORM DRAIN ADOPTION ON THAT STORM DRAIN? WE HAVE HAD A FEW INLETS ADOPTED. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER I CAN GIVE YOU, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S UNDER 100. AND YOU NEED TO TRY TO DO GET MORE PEOPLE TO DO THAT. I'M I THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THAT VALLEY WIDE IS NOT BEEN A HIGHLY USED PROGRAM. SO EVEN IF WE DID DO ALL THAT EDUCATION, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD SEE GREAT BENEFIT THAT YOU'RE HOPING FOR. YEAH, HE DOES 
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HAVE A PROGRAM IN MORE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF THE LOGO ON THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY. THIS IS. THE ADVERTISING. AND HERE YOU DON'T YOU JUST. YEAH. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT SPRAY PAINTING LOGOS ON HERE. IF WE DID I DON'T. THAT'S SO SMALL. YEAH. SO YOU DON'T EVEN SEE THAT WE HAVE FIVE POINTS, ABOUT $5.7 MILLION IN CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR THE STORMWATER FUND. AND AGAIN, STARTING THE ONE PROJECT THAT WILL KIND OF FINISH OUT OUR STORM DRAIN SYSTEM OVERALL. 
          OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR UTILITIES. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE OUTSIDE OF THE RATE FOR LANDSCAPE USE? AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RATES LANDSCAPE NOT MATCH RESIDENTIAL, BUT GO ABOVE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE FOR ME, RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE DOING IT BECAUSE YOU'RE PROUD OF YOUR HOME AND YOU'RE DOING IT LANDSCAPING YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO INCREASE YOUR BUSINESS INTO YOU. LANDSCAPING OR LANDSCAPING. IS THAT IT? NO, NO NO NO. BUSINESSES ARE IN LANDSCAPING. IT'S REQUIRED. IT'S A LANDSCAPE METER VERSUS INTERNAL WATER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO A LITTLE ABOVE THAT. ANYONE THAT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL IS REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO METERS, THE CULINARY WATER METER AND A LANDSCAPING. OKAY. RATHER THAN CULINARY WATER, IT WOULD BE LIKE JORDAN, JORDAN, RANDY OR. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH, I. OF COURSE. YEAH. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE XERISCAPE OR YOU KNOW. YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK THAT WILL START THEM GOING. MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T WATER EVERY DAY. MAYBE WE NEED TO MAYBE WE NEED TO TRANSITION TO A DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE. YEAH. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE CITY STAYS BUSINESS FRIENDLY TOO. 
          YEAH, WELL, I'M NOT SAYING. WELL, YOU PUT IT JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER. THAT'S ENOUGH TO KNOCK DOWN THE RESIDENTIAL. HERE'S HERE'S A THOUGHT. THIS IS A LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE THAN JUST A FEE SCHEDULE CHANGE. BUT WHY NOT BUMP IT UP AND SAY, 10% OVER THE RESIDENTIAL RATE JUST TO THROW OUT A NUMBER AND THAT EXTRA 10% MONEY COULD GO OFF WHAT THE RATE WOULD BE NOW VERSUS WHAT WAS CORRECT. AND THAT FUND IS BEING USED AS A LANDSCAPER, PAINT REPLACEMENT REBATE INCENTIVE. OH. THAT'S AN IDEA. I MEAN, IT'S MORE THAN JUST A CHANGE, BUT THAT'S LIKE STARTING A PROGRAM WHERE WE CAN THEN SEND SOMETIMES WE CAN GIVE THAT TO AN HOA. YOU WANT MAYBE WANTED TO CHANGE WATER USE AND WE WOULD HELP THEM AND HELP THEM GET THE WORD MESSAGING FOR HOA TO GO BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING THE FUND IF THEY NEED TO DO IT. WELL, WE'RE TAINTED WATER CONSERVATION EMPLOYEES. YEAH, WELL, AND I CAN GO INTO THAT. IT'S GOING TO MESSAGING. IT CAN. 
          THEY CAN PROBABLY EVEN GRANT SUPPLEMENT AS WELL. AND. ON THE STATE TEAM. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S A LOT OF A LOT OF THINGS JUST KIND OF SYNERGIZE THAT AND MY, MY HOA MY WATER, EVEN MY. HOA FEES. BUT I CONTROL MY SPRINKLERS. THEY'RE NOT CONTROL ON THE CENTER. THERE'S IT'S A CENTER LEADER. 
          BUT EVERY HOUSE HAS ITS OWN. THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY. WHICH IS THE COLOR THING IN THE GARAGE. RIGHT? YEAH. SO THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY. SO THE HOA JUST GOES AROUND AND YELLS AT PEOPLE, FIND SOME STUFF LIKE THAT ANYWAY. BUT OKAY. SO ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE JUST A COUPLE MORE THINGS TO COVER FOR JUST A COUPLE MINUTES. RISK MANAGEMENT FUND. WE DIDN'T COVER IT, BUT IT HAS STILL HAS STRONG RESERVES. WE TOOK OUT THE CLAIMED PAYMENTS BECAUSE WE RARELY PAY A CLAIM. 
          THEY'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF. HONESTLY, BILL HAS REALLY INFLUENCED RISK MANAGEMENT IN THE CITY AND IN OUR EXPERIENCE, RATING OUR WORKERS COMP RATES, ALL KINDS OF THINGS. THEY'VE DONE SOME REALLY GOOD WORK HERE. AND TAYLOR, YOU. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO HEAR HOW THIS WILL COME TOGETHER. THE PRESENTATION AND UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT OUR PROGRAM, THE HOUSING STRATEGY AND COST AND HOW THEY GET INTO. I WOULD AGREE, I SPOKE ABOUT THIS AND WE REVIEWED THIS FUND AND WE REALLY WE REALLY THINK THAT'S KIND OF A GOOD MESSAGE FOR YOU AS A COUNCIL. SO FUTURE CLAIMS WILL BE COVERED BY THE RESERVES. WE HAVE ABOUT ALMOST $3 MILLION IN RESERVES IN RISK MANAGEMENT FUND. I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT AT 2 MILLION. SO THERE WOULD BE PROBABLY NEXT YEAR. I'LL PROBABLY BRING THE ASSESSMENTS DOWN TO KIND OF BRING THAT BACK INTO THAT $2 MILLION RESERVE RANGE. BUT FOR NOW, THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT. AND THEN I JUST HAVE ONE MORE THING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT. IN THE IT MANAGEMENT FUND. THERE WERE SOME 
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THINGS THAT WERE UNKNOWN AT THE TIME DUE TO NEW GAS REQUIREMENTS. IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, WE HAVE A LINE IN IT THAT SAID, SABITA PROCEEDS TO PURCHASES. SABITA IS SUBSCRIPTION BASED. IT AGREEMENTS. ANY AGREEMENT, LIKE EXCELLENT, IS A TEN YEAR AGREEMENT. WORKDAY. WHEN WE CHOSE WORKDAY, IT'S A TEN YEAR AGREEMENT. ALL OF THESE ARE MULTIYEAR AGREEMENTS. THE NEW REQUIREMENT IS THAT WE RECOGNIZE THEM AS ALMOST A LEASED ASSET. 
          AND SO I HAVE TO PUT IT THROUGH A WHOLE MODEL TO GET A NET PRESENT VALUE OF IT AND RECOGNIZE IT AS A PURCHASE, AND THEN AS A, AS REVENUE, WHICH IS DUMBER THAN HECK. BUT SO SOFTWARE THAT DOES THAT FOR YOU, THERE IS THAT DOES IT. BUT. WE NEED TO INCREASE THE SABITA PROCEEDS AND THE PURCHASES BY ABOUT $3.7 MILLION. SO I'M GOING TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE TENTATIVE. THERE IS NO FINANCIAL IMPACT TO IT. YOU'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE REVENUE, YOU'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE EXPENSE, BUT IT'S JUST AN ACCOUNTING THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO. SO I WILL BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU. IT WILL INCLUDE OUR FINANCIAL AND HR SYSTEM, BILLING SYSTEM, OUR BUDGET SOFTWARE AND THE POLICE AI REPORTING SYSTEM. SO THOSE JUST NEED TO BE CORRECTED. AND THEN WE ALSO WILL NEED TO BRING AN AMENDMENT BACK TO YOU BETWEEN THE TENTATIVE AND THE FINAL ADOPTING THE CDBG BUDGET, BECAUSE WE ADOPTED A ZERO BUDGET, WE STILL DON'T HAVE COMMITTEE MEETS NEXT THURSDAY, AND THEY WILL GET A RECOMMENDATION TO ME, AND THEN I'LL BRING THE RECOMMENDATION TO YOU AS A COUNCIL. ARE WE GETTING ANY CDBG MONEY? WE DID ACTUALLY GET ON THE MARKET. IT WAS LESS THAN BEFORE, BUT IT'S HOW MUCH WAS IT? I CAN'T REMEMBER, I WANT TO SAY IT'S LIKE 470 SOMETHING. WE NORMALLY EARN 750 MAYBE. 
          YEAH. SO WE HAVE BEEN. WE'VE BEEN UP TO I WHY WE DIDN'T ADOPT A BUDGET BECAUSE WE HAD NO IDEA WHERE IT STOOD. SO WE DID GET AN AWARD. THE COMMITTEE IS MEETING ON THURSDAY. COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON I BELIEVE IS ON THE COMMITTEE. AND THEN THEY'LL GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION. OH, DID YOU MEET TODAY? OKAY, SO WE WILL BRING THOSE AMENDMENTS BACK TO YOU. SO I'LL PREPARE THOSE. AND COUNCIL, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT AMENDMENT THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST OR WOULD YOU LIKE IT IN THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST RIGHT BEFORE YOU'RE ADOPTING YOUR FINAL. YEAH, I'D RATHER HAVE IT DEFERRED. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. WE'LL PREPARE IT FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. WE CAN DISCUSS IT, CONSIDER IT. AND THAT WILL BE THE FOUR YEAR PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOUR TAX INCREASE AS WELL. FOLLOWING THE TAX INCREASE, THE NEXT MEETING IS THE ADOPTION OF THE FINAL BUDGET. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, OUR POWER HAS BEEN RESTORED. WE'RE ON A GENERATOR, SO THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S GOOD. EVERYONE AT THE TIME, HE WAS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WENT, BUT ALAN WAS TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GET THEM. THEY WANTED TO GET WITH THEM. WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO BE. CONFERENCE IN OCTOBER. SO REGISTRATION IS SO I WOULD SAY GET WITH HIM AND LET HIM KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THAT CONFERENCE OR NOT. SO WE DIDN'T COUNT FOR THE REGISTRATION. OKAY. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE SOMEPLACE. YES. SO. POWERS OR SOMETHING. ANYTHING ELSE. NO. AND THIS ME
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