Jul 22, 2025 Committee of the Whole

[CALL TO ORDER]

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TO CALL THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN WORK SESSION TO ORDER. WE HAVE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS EXCEPT FOR COUNCILMAN JACOB, WHO WILL PERHAPS BE JOINING US ELECTRONICALLY IN THE FUTURE. WE

[a. Presentation of the Citywide Resident Survey by Y2 Analytics]

COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, WE'RE UP ABOUT FIVE PERCENTAGE POINTS THERE, SO STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE CHANGE, AND THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'RE SEEING A MORE DECISIVE POSITIVE CHANGE. SO LAST YEAR WE SAW MORE FOLKS SORT OF SHIFTING TO A NEUTRAL RESPONSE. SO THIS IS THIS IS A GOOD INDICATOR OF OVERALL COMMUNITY SENTIMENT. REALLY POSITIVE HIGHLIGHT THERE.

LOOKING AT OVERALL CITY SERVICE EVALUATIONS WE HAVE SOME PRETTY STEADY RATINGS THERE REALLY.

AGAIN OH NO YOU'RE GOOD. RELATIVELY HIGH RATINGS ACROSS THE BOARD. THE AREAS WHERE RESIDENTS ARE MOST INTERESTED IN SEEING INVESTMENT OR ATTENTION PAID MOVING FORWARD IS JUST CURRENT CITY SERVICES. THERE AREN'T ANY PARTICULAR GAPS THAT THEY SEE IN THE SLATE OF SERVICES THE CITY HAS TO OFFER. AND WHEN WE ASK ABOUT WHAT AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT RESIDENTS MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR, OR WHAT PAIN POINTS THEY MIGHT HAVE, IT ALL COMES BACK TO GROWTH. THIS IS EVERYONE ALONG THE WASATCH FRONT'S FAVORITE FOUR LETTER WORD. WE SEE TRAFFIC AND HOUSING AND INFRASTRUCTURE CONCERNS, ALL SORT OF RELATED TO CONTINUED GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE REGION, AND THAT'S BEEN CONSISTENT FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AS WELL. WE DID A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DRILL DOWN ON RESIDENTS ATTITUDES TOWARD CODE ENFORCEMENT THIS YEAR, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE CITY SERVICES THAT WAS RELATIVELY LOWER RATED IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS. SO WHEN WE ASKED RESIDENTS WHAT TYPES OF INVESTMENTS THEY WERE INTERESTED IN SEEING, OR WHAT EXACTLY ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED, WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING MORE CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE'VE BROKEN THAT OUT BY COUNCIL DISTRICT AS WELL. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE DYNAMIC THERE, BUT OUR OLDER RESIDENTS ARE MORE LIKELY TO SAY THEY'D LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT OR MORE ACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT RESIDENTS ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE ESTHETIC OF THE COMMUNITY AS IT RELATES TO PRIVATE PROPERTY AND CLEANUP, SORT OF RESIDENTS MAINTAINING THEIR CURB APPEAL AND THEN IMPROVING PARKS AND OPEN SPACES AS WELL. THIS IS JUST A QUICK LOOK AT OUR SURVEY METHODOLOGY AND OUR DISTRIBUTION OF RESPONSES BY CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT. YOU CAN SEE WE'RE PRETTY EVENLY SPLIT ACROSS COUNCIL DISTRICTS HERE, SO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT. IN TOTAL, WE HAD 957 RESIDENTS RESPOND TO THE SURVEY THIS YEAR. INVITATIONS WERE SENT VIA EMAIL AND TEXT MESSAGE, PRIMARILY TO OUR CITY UTILITY ACCOUNT HOLDERS, BUT SUPPLEMENTED BY REGISTERED VOTER CONTACTS AND LIKELY RENTER HOUSEHOLDS THAT WE PURCHASED. TO TRY AND HELP FILL THAT OUT, WE ARE LOWER IN

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AGAIN, THAT THAT SORT OF SMALL TOWN FEEL, A COMMUNITY WHERE RESIDENTS FEEL LIKE THEY KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS. EVERYONE IS FRIENDLY AND HELPFUL. IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY.

CONVENIENCE COMES UP ABOUT 1 IN 4 TIMES REALLY BEING PROXIMATE TO ANYTHING RESIDENTS NEED.

HAVING THINGS CLOSE BY, ONE RESIDENT SAID. THERE REALLY IS NO NEED TO LEAVE THE CITY. JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING IS HERE AND IT'S JUST MINUTES TO A FEW KEY STORES. TRADER JOE'S I LIKE THAT RESIDENT LOCATION A LITTLE BIT MORE BROADLY WAS ALSO MENTIONED. SO AGAIN, SORT OF PROXIMITY TO JOBS AND OTHER CITIES WHEN RESIDENTS DO NEED TO GO OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF WEST JORDAN, IF WE RELOCATE THE CITY, WE CAN GET A HIGHER SCORE. OH YEAH, THINK ABOUT THAT. AND THEN OUR BIGGEST DRAWBACK ON WHY LIVABLE CITIES? BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN WEST JORDAN STILL LEAVE WEST JORDAN GO TO WORK, AND THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THEM TO GET TO WORK BROUGHT US DOWN ON THAT SCALE. OTHERWISE MUCH HIGHER. SO WE CAN'T CHANGE. WELL, RESIDENTS DON'T SEEM TO MIND TOO TERRIBLY MUCH. I THINK ONE OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF A LOT OF THE CITIES WE WORK WITH ALONG THE WASATCH FRONT IS THAT SORT OF COMMUTER MINDSET. AND CERTAINLY I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT IN PRIOR SURVEYS IN WEST JORDAN, AND CONTINUE TO SEE THAT NOT HAVING THEIR JOB LOCATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IS LESS OF A PAIN POINT THAN SOMEONE MIGHT EXPECT BECAUSE IT IS SO ACCESSIBLE. SO WE'RE NOT ONLY SORT OF CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE VALLEY, BUT ALSO HAVE ALL OF OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARES RIGHT HERE NEXT TO US, NOT THE ONLY CITY THAT HAS THAT PROBLEM. I MEAN, CHAIRMAN DRAPER, EVEN SANDY, THEY THEY ALL HAVE TO I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN THIS VALLEY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FEW PEOPLE, IT'S AN EXPECTATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COMMUTE TO WORK. AND THAT THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF UTAH. THAT WAS A NATIONAL. DO YOU THINK THEY USED TO READ IT WITH. AND SO YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT IS JUST HOW IT IS HERE. AND IT'S DONE BY OUTSIDE TO THE PEOPLE HERE DIDN'T SAY THAT. THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT THAT WAS HIS THE LOWEST RATING GENERALLY. YEAH. BY THEIR CRITERIA. INTERESTING. NEIGHBORHOOD

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AGAIN, THAT IS A STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE COMPARED TO LAST YEAR'S DATA. WE'LL LOOK AT THAT TREND LINE IN JUST A MOMENT. BUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE THAT WERE PARTICULARLY ILLUSTRATIVE OF THE THEMES WE SAW, ONE RESIDENT SAID WEST JORDAN IS INCREASING. BUSINESSES WITHIN THE AREA HAS OPENED UP ADDITIONAL HOUSING, BUT HAS ALSO MAINTAINED ROOM FOR PARKS AND THINGS, SO RESIDENTS ARE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE WAY THE CITY HAS ADAPTED TO GROWTH, BUT ALSO MAINTAINED QUALITY OF LIFE. THOSE RESIDENTS WHO DO FEEL THE CITY IS HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION POINT TO HIGH DENSITY HOUSING INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT BEING ABLE TO MANAGE ALL OF THE INFLUX OF TRAFFIC, PEOPLE, SCHOOLS, ETC. SO LOOKING AT THIS TREND LINE AGAIN, WE HAD SORT OF A SHIFT TOWARD THAT NEUTRAL RESPONSE LAST YEAR, MORE RESIDENTS SAYING THAT THEY WERE UNSURE OF THE DIRECTION THE CITY WAS HEADING. BUT THIS UPWARD TREND IN CONFIDENCE FROM RESIDENTS GOING FROM 35IN 2023 UP TO 46 THIS YEAR, PERCENT OF RESIDENTS WHO FEEL THE CITY IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IS REALLY HEARTENING, SO WE LOVE TO SEE IT. LOOKING AT RESIDENTS PERCEPTIONS OF THE CITY TODAY COMPARED TO FIVE YEARS AGO, PRETTY COMPARABLE TO PRIOR YEARS. WE DO HAVE A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE SHARE OF FOLKS WHO SAY THAT THINGS HAVE GOTTEN SOMEWHAT WORSE, BUT OVERALL POSITIVE ATTITUDES REALLY HOLDING CONSTANT AND TICKING UP JUST A LITTLE BIT IN THAT FAR LEFT CATEGORY, 10% OF RESIDENTS THIS YEAR SAY THINGS HAVE GOTTEN MUCH BETTER COMPARED TO THE WAY THEY WERE FIVE YEARS AGO. THE CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS EXPRESS, IF THEY WHEN THEY ARTICULATE THE THINGS THAT THEY SEE AS ISSUES FACING THE CITY IN THE NEXT 3 TO 5 YEARS, ARE ALL GROWTH RELATED. TRAFFIC COMES IN AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, PROBABLY NO SURPRISE THERE, FOLLOWED BY HOUSING, INFRASTRUCTURE AND CRIME. LOOKING AT SOME GENERAL ATTITUDES TOWARDS THE CITY OVERALL, THREE OUT OF FOUR, ALMOST FOUR OUT OF FIVE RESIDENTS FEEL THAT THE CITY IS A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY, AND WE HAVE A LARGE SHARE OF RESIDENTS WHO FEEL SAFE LIVING IN THE CITY, SO REALLY POSITIVE COMMENDATIONS THERE. RESIDENTS ALSO FEEL CITY HAS ENOUGH PARKS, OPEN SPACES AND RECREATION AREAS TO MEET THEIR NEEDS AND THEY A MAJORITY SAY THAT THEY FEEL A SENSE OF COMMUNITY WITH OTHER WEST JORDAN RESIDENTS, AND THAT IN PARTICULAR IS NOT TRUE EVERYWHERE ALONG THE WASATCH FRONT. SO SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME ATTITUDES TOWARDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE ECONOMY BROADLY, A MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS FEEL THE CITY HAS ALL THE KINDS OF RETAIL THEY WOULD LIKE IT TO HAVE. THEY FEEL THE CITY DOES A GOOD JOB MANAGING CITY SERVICES AND PROVIDES ALL THE SERVICES THEY THINK YOU SHOULD PROVIDE. RESIDENTS FEEL THE CITY IS GROWING AND DEVELOPING IN A POSITIVE WAY. 57% AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT. AND THEN AGAIN, THE ONE AREA WHERE WE DON'T HAVE MAJORITY AGREEMENT IS WHETHER THERE ARE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN WEST JORDAN FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT THAT'S A PRETTY COMMON SENTIMENT ALONG THE WASATCH FRONT THAT FOLKS ARE SORT OF EXPECTING NOT TO NECESSARILY WORK WHERE THEY LIVE AND PLAY. NO MAJOR STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT SHIFTS OVER TIME ON ANY OF THESE METRICS. YOU CAN SEE HOVERING RIGHT AROUND FLAT LINES ACROSS THE BOARD THERE. NEXT SLIDE. GO BACK. OH, JOB OPPORTUNITIES IS THE LOWEST ONE OKAY. YES. WE MADE A SUBTLE WORD CHANGE THIS YEAR. JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE WITH MY SKILL SET VERSUS PEOPLE LIKE ME. YOU ARE RIGHT. AND THAT DIDN'T GET REFLECTED IN THE PRESENTATION. IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE WAY RESIDENTS RESPONDED TO THE QUESTION. I GUESS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE WITH YOUR SKILL SET, YOUR EDUCATION, TRAINING, ETC. VERSUS PEOPLE LIKE ME, WHICH MIGHT IMPLY.

SOCIOECONOMIC, RACIAL, ETHNIC. YEAH. WE WEREN'T WE'RE NOT ASKING THAT QUESTION. WE'RE ASKING ABOUT THE JOB QUALIFICATIONS AND JOB SKILLS. YES. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

WE'LL GET THAT CORRECTED AND UPDATED FOR THE CITY'S RECORDS. THANK YOU. LOOKING AT CITY SERVICE EVALUATIONS, FIRE AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL AT THE TOP OF THE LIST HERE WITH AN 82 ON THAT 0 TO 100 SCALE, MAJORITY OF THE SERVICES AGAIN ABOVE 50 ON THAT 0 TO 100 SCALE, RANGING FROM

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RIGHT. LIKE THESE ARE EXCEPT FOR FIRE AND THE FIRE. FIRE IS SOLIDLY AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.

YOU GOT BIG RED TRUCKS. I WOULD BE INTERESTED, CORBIN, TO FIND OUT FROM GREG HOW MUCH WELL, WATER WE WERE USING DURING THE TIME THAT THE SURVEY WAS OUT. IF WE HAD SPIKED OUR WELL WATER USE, THERE'S A CORRELATION FOR THAT. YEAH, AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BETWEEN THE WELL WATER AND THE MEDIA, BETWEEN THE FLUORIDE. I SUSPECT THAT THAT WHEN WAS THIS SURVEY TAKEN? THIS WAS IN THE FIELD FROM MAY 1ST TO THE 15TH. SO TWO WEEKS IN THE BEGINNING OF MAY. OKAY. SO THAT WAS DEFINITELY MEDIA. SO THE FLUORIDE THE FLUORIDE THE FLUORIDE IS JUST ENDED AT THAT POINT WITH THE LEGISLATURE. SO IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING JUST SOMETHING WE GOT TO WATCH. YEAH.

GOING FORWARD THOUGH, IT'S LIKE EVERYONE THAT WAS AGAINST IT, THEY WERE AGAINST IT. AND NOW THE PEOPLE THAT WANTED IT NOW THEY WANT IT. AND IT'S JUST LIKE YOU GET THIS SEESAW BATTLE GOING ON ON FLUORIDE VERSUS ON FLUORIDE. IT'S LIKE, IF YOU WANT FLUORIDE, JUST GO BUY A TAP OR SOMETHING. BUT THEY'RE MAKING THAT. THEY'RE MAKING THAT. THEY'RE MAKING THAT. IF YOU'LL GO TWO SLIDES FORWARD FOR TABLETS, YOUR DENTIST, THE THINGS THAT DID COME UP WHEN WE ASKED RESIDENTS, SORT OF IN AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION, IF THEY HAD ANY EXPERIENCES THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE OR ANY SERVICES THEY FELT WERE MISSING FROM THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN. THE THINGS THAT COME UP, TRAFFIC AND ROAD SERVICES, CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, STREET AND ROAD LIGHTING, ROAD MAINTENANCE. THOSE CAME UP EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. WE HAD 11% OF RESIDENTS SAY SOMETHING ABOUT MORE OR BETTER CODE ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY OF YARD MAINTENANCE, PARKING AND PROPERTY CONDITIONS WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, MORE COMMUNITY CENTERS, RECREATION CENTERS, POOLS, SPORTS FACILITIES, MORE COMMUNITY EVENTS. JUST AN APPETITE FOR MORE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. AMONG ABOUT 7% OF OUR RESIDENTS.

AND THEN WASTE OR GARBAGE SERVICES RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE ACCESSIBLE COMMUNITY DUMPSTER DAYS AND MORE AND MORE REGULAR. THE RETURN OF AN ANNUAL LARGE ITEM PICKUP, EASIER WASTE DISPOSAL OPTIONS. AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE SHARE OF RESIDENTS WHO WAS WHO WERE EXPRESSING THESE CONCERNS, YOU CAN SEE NOT A MAJORITY DISSATISFIED, NOT A MAJORITY IDENTIFYING GAPS IN THE SERVICES THE CITY CURRENTLY PROVIDES, AND EVEN THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE ARE MORE FOCUSED ON IMPROVEMENTS OR INCREASE IN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE EXISTING CITY SERVICES THAN GAPS IN WHAT'S BEING PROVIDED OVERALL. SO OUR FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ON CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE ASKED RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DEGREE MORE OR SOME DEGREE LESS CODE ENFORCEMENT TO TRY AND FOLLOW UP ON THAT GENERAL RATING. OVERALL, WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST A LITTLE MORE CODE ENFORCEMENT. 55% OF RESIDENTS TOTAL THERE.

ABOUT A THIRD OF RESIDENTS ARE HAPPY WITH THE CURRENT LEVEL OF CODE ENFORCEMENT AS IT IS, AND THEN ABOUT 10% OF RESIDENTS ARE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING A LITTLE LESS ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S PARTICULARLY TRUE AMONG OUR NEWEST RESIDENTS. SO THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY FOR FEWER THAN THREE YEARS, OUR RESIDENTS WHO HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY FOR 11 YEARS OR MORE, ARE THE MOST LIKELY GROUP TO HAVE AN APPETITE FOR ADDITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO SOME OTHER NUMBERS TO GO ALONG WITH THIS. OVER THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS, WE'VE AVERAGED ABOUT 1500 CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES PER YEAR TO DATE. WELL, AS OF YESTERDAY, WE'RE AT ABOUT WE'RE JUST OVER 1500 FOR 2025. WOW. SO I KNOW THE COUNCIL HAS ALLOCATED MORE FTES FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND WE'RE SEEING SEEING THOSE NUMBERS SLIGHTLY GO UP AS A RESULT. SO THEY'RE OUT THERE SUPER BUSY, MAINLY COMPLAINT DRIVEN. BUT IT IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE. WE'RE RESPONDING. BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE NUMBERS NEXT YEAR. NEXT YEAR WILL BE INTERESTING. IT'D BE GOOD TO KING THIS. THIS WAS THE ONE WE SEE THIS BEFORE WE SET A BUDGET NEXT YEAR SO WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OR NOT. MAYBE IT'S HARD TIMING WISE, BUT MAYBE. BUT WE COULD CHAT ABOUT DOING A SMALL CODE ENFORCEMENT FOCUSED SURVEY IF THAT'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT'S ON THE DOCKET. WE COULD DO A COUPLE BUDGET RELATED QUESTIONS.

THIS THIS QUESTION ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS OUR KIND OF OUR ONE OFF QUESTION THIS YEAR, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO KEEP IT ON FOR A FEW YEARS TO. KEEP THOSE QUESTIONS. BUT IF THERE'S A MARKETING AROUND THE PERCEPTION, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, I THINK THEY'RE DOING FANTASTIC WITH WHAT THEY DO. BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO A

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I THINK NEW, NEW HIGH THIS YEAR FOR RESIDENTS WHO ARE VERY SATISFIED WITH THEIR CONTACTS FROM OR WITH THE CITY, AND WE HAVE A LARGER SHARE OF RESIDENTS WHO HAVE CONTACTED THE CITY. SO

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AND THEN WITH THE RISE IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA ENGAGEMENT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WE UNDER UTILIZING POPULAR PLATFORMS AS A CITY, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALLOCATE MORE RESOURCES FOR? SO WITH THE SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS SPECIFICALLY, I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD LIKE TO TURN TO SOCIAL MEDIA ARE HAVING THEIR NEEDS MET. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY INDICATION HERE THAT RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY BE MORE ACTIVE ON ANY PARTICULAR PLATFORMS, BUT THOSE RESIDENTS WHO DO PREFER TO RECEIVE THEIR INFORMATION ABOUT

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DO YOU SEE ANY POTENTIAL POLICY SHIFTS OR SUGGESTIONS TO GUIDE US IN, LIKE UPCOMING BUDGETS THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF OR PUT IN THE BACK OF OUR MINDS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WHAT I SEE HERE WOULD SUGGEST THAT THERE ARE MAJOR POLICY SHIFTS OR THINGS THAT RESIDENTS ARE POINTING TO THAT CAN BE READILY ADDRESSED BY ANY RECOMMENDATIONS I WOULD MAKE. WE HAVE A REALLY POSITIVE QUALITY OF LIFE RATING THAT'S BEEN CONSISTENT. CITY SERVICES OVERALL ARE HOLDING PRETTY CONSISTENTLY POSITIVE. THE AREAS WHERE RESIDENTS ARE EXPRESSING THE MOST CONCERNS ARE AROUND GROWTH AND MITIGATION OF GROWING PAINS. AND I THINK WHERE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY ALLOCATED FUNDING TO IMPROVING TRANSIT TRANSPORTATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANY MORE SUBSTANTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU AT THE MOMENT. MY ONLY SUGGESTION IS WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT REALIZING THAT MOST OF THAT IS BEAUTIFICATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE IN OUR REPORTS THAT TO HAVE THAT SEPARATED A LITTLE BIT. SO IT'S MORE SO WE'RE NOT LIKE OR IT'S NOT ALL YOU FROM SCOTT, BUT KNOWING THAT IT'S ACTUALLY BEAUTIFICATION NOT NECESSARILY ALL CODE ENFORCEMENT. I WILL SAY RESIDENTS WILL STILL KEEP THOSE THINGS SO INTERTWINED. WE CAN TRY AND SPLIT IT OUT AND GET MORE TO THE BOTTOM OF IT, BUT TO FOR US TO KNOW. SO WE'RE NOT JUST BLAMING CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT REALIZING WE NEED TO WORK ON THE VISUAL ASPECT. AND THAT WAS THE GOAL WITH THAT BEAUTIFICATION QUESTION. SO AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, RIGHT. DOES ANYONE HELP? A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I NOTICED WERE THE TWO THAT STUCK OUT TO ME BESIDES THE WATER AND THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN THE CITY, I THINK WE'RE MAKING INROADS ON THAT ONE. WE MAY NOT BE COMMUNICATING THAT AS WELL AS WE OUGHT TO BE, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. BUT TWO THAT STUCK OUT TO ME THE MOST ARE RECREATION AND SENSE OF COMMUNITY. AND SO TO ME, THE AND IN SOME RESPECTS THOSE ARE INTERTWINED. THE WAY RECREATION PROGRAMS DO DEVELOP A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND AS WE PROGRESS THIS YEAR WITH RON WOOD PARK. AS WE PROGRESS WITH RON WOOD, THE EXPANSION OF THE SOCCER FIELDS, THE ALL WHEELS PARK. AND THE POTENTIAL OF A NEW REC CENTER OUT THERE. I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE. SOME OF THAT IS. ADVERTISEMENT. SOME OF IT IS CONTINUE TO WORK AND AS YOU AS YOU MENTIONED, BLOCK PARTIES, SOME OTHER EVENTS THAT BRING PEOPLE IN, THE MULTICULTURAL THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE. JUST TO GET HERE SURPRISES US OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN, THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE EVENTS AND THINGS ARE THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN HERE. SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. I WOULD MAYBE LIKE TO SEE AND I KNOW THIS IS A MONEY THING, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS JUST TRYING TO HIT RIGHT AROUND A THOUSAND PEOPLE. I'D LIKE TO SEE COSTS OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IF WE WERE TO OPEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE TO PEOPLE COMING IN, WHO WOULD WANT TO GET A WANT TO SPEAK, WANT TO DO A SURVEY BUT AREN'T IN THE RANDOM DRAW? HAPPY TO PROVIDE COSTS FOR THAT? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING LIKE FOCUS GROUPS OR SOME OF THOSE IN AN OPEN ACCESS VERSION OF THE SURVEY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP A LOT WHEN WE HAVE JUST ANOTHER CHANNEL. FOR THOSE RESIDENTS WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN RANDOMLY SELECTED TO PARTICIPATE, BUT WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THEIR PERSPECTIVES ANYWAY, I DO LIKE THE IDEA. MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS I THINK YOU GET MORE OF THOSE. PEOPLE COULD BE OUTLIERS.

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[b. Discussion on Identifying Portions of Redwood Road for Future Land Use Map Updates to Support CZ Zoning]

THIS IS REGARDING THE ZONE WHICH WE RECENTLY ADOPTED. PART OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS IT WOULD REQUIRE A DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT TO DESIGNATE THOSE PROPERTIES AS WE DON'T HAVE A AN APPROPRIATE ONE CURRENTLY. SO THIS IS THE STAFF'S LISTENING FEEDBACK ABOUT WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. MAYBE SOME CITY FOCUSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS, LOCATIONS, IF ANY, OR IF WE SHOULD JUST WAIT FOR DEVELOPERS OR APPLICANTS TO COME IN AND THEY CAN MAKE THEIR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO ON THE BOARD YOU'LL SEE AT THE TOP THOSE ARE ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE ZONE. AND THEN JUST BELOW THAT IS THE CURRENT CORRIDOR.

FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATIONS. OKAY, THIS IS THE OLD ONE. YEAH. SOUNDS LIKE REALLY CONFUSED. IT'S JUST RIGHT ON THE FLOOR. YEAH. IT'S JUST RIGHT ON THE TV SCREEN. COME MONDAY. CINDY, SEND IT OUT TO US. ONE OF YOU SENT IT OUT AND SENT OUT SOMETHING TO US. AT LEAST TO ME AND BOB. I DON'T KNOW, AT LEAST I'VE SEEN SOMETHING FROM ONE OF YOU. YEAH.

SO, TAYLOR, WHILE HE'S LOOKING FOR THAT, WHY DON'T YOU EXPRESS WHAT YOU WANT TO GET? YEAH. SO AS WHAT WE HAVE DONE AS STAFF IS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME POTENTIAL SITES AND WE'D LIKE TO SHOW THOSE SIDES OF THE COUNCIL AND GET THE COUNCIL'S FEELINGS ON YES OR NO, OR MAYBE IF WE SHOULD INCLUDE THOSE AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE CAN COME BACK AND YOU CAN FIX THAT ONE IF YOU GO BACK. I THINK IT'S YOUR FAVORITE ONE, ISN'T IT. OH, NO. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY SITES THAT AREN'T IDENTIFIED IN HERE THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO TARGET, I'D BE GREAT AS WELL. SO HERE ON THE MAP YOU CAN SEE NORTH IS ON THE LEFT SIDE. THESE ARE THE PARCELS THAT WE'LL BE ASKING THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS STAFF AS POTENTIAL FOR THIS ZONE. FUTURE DESIGNATION. GO BACK TO THAT. BACK TO THE PICTURE. NO, NO, NO TO THE BIG ONE. OH, SORRY. THE MAP. THE MAP THAT THAT I HEARD IT DOWN. SO YOUR PINK ONES ARE THE ONES THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED? YES. YOU'RE SAYING SO, BIG DOG ON. YOU'D LIKE TO CHANGE ME TO SEE THAT. THAT. SO THE BIGGER ONE THAT'S GOT THE FLAG SHAPE JUST. THAT'S THE NEXT ONE TO THE NORTH CEMETERY PROPERTY OR THE ONE.

NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT ONE TO THE NORTH FROM THE END OF THE CITY. OH, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO LET'S GET BEHIND HOME DEPOT. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S THE HOME DEPOT PROPERTY. YEAH.

SO IT'S JUST NORTH OF IMMACULATE AUTO AND THEN THAT'S THE SPRAWLING PROPERTY AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS BACK IN THERE. YES, IT'S ALREADY IN THE EDA RDA AREA. MOST OF THAT'S ALREADY IN THE RDA. I WOULD BE. AND THEN WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE. THE NEXT BIG ONE TO THE SOUTH. THE TWO.

YES. THAT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF GARDINER AND REDWOOD ROAD. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING IN. ARE ANY OF THESE SEGMENTS NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE WITH HIGHER DENSITY INDUSTRIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ROAD? YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M WRONG. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS EVERYTHING. THIS IS

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I'M NOT GOING TO NEED MORE PUBLIC INPUT. WELL, AND THERE'S THERE ARE SOME. THERE ARE. IF WE DID THAT, THERE'S A SERIOUS INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE THERE. YEAH. THAT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS I THINK IF WE, IF WE START WITH THESE FEW PROPERTIES WE CAN BETTER DEAL WITH AND MAYBE EVEN HAVE THAT THAT MICROCOSM, THE CRUCIBLE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, TO DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES ON A LIMITED BASIS BEFORE WE DECIDE TO DO IT STREET WISE. THAT WOULD BE MY SO I'M WITH KELVIN. I DON'T WANT TO DO THE WHOLE CORRIDOR. WHERE YOU SAY, OKAY, SAME. I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK WE JUST NEED TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING NOT ONLY VULNERABLE RESIDENTS, BUT HOUSING AND ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. WE JUST WANT TO BE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THAT. AGAIN. WHERE ARE YOU AT? I'M UNDECIDED. OKAY. WE HAVE. OH SORRY. I'M GOING TO DOING PIECES, BUT NOT THE WHOLE CORRIDOR. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE HAVING A DIFFERENT VISION. ARCHING VISION OVER THE WHOLE THING IS THE IMPORTANT PART SO THAT AS WE DO THE PIECEMEAL, IT'S NOT JIGSAW PIECES THAT DON'T FIT. YEAH, THAT'S MY CONCERN. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER. I MEAN, WE'RE HERE CHANGING THIS TODAY AND IT DOESN'T EXIST. SO IF SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT AGAIN. OR SORR, UPDATE AND UPDATE. SO I DO WANT

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YOU CAN SEE A FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ZONES THERE HERE IS JUST SOME EXISTING EXISTING. SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE.

ON THE TRIANGLE SIDE WHICH WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE. WE HAVE THE BIG DOG IN THE ENTERPRISE. AND THEN THERE ON THE WEST SIDE WE HAVE SOME OLDER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE NEXT ONE MOVING UP, THIS IS THE PIECE THAT'S BEHIND HOME DEPOT, SIX PARCELS. IT'S ABOUT 4.72 ACRES. PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ARE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. SEE SOME OLD HOUSES AND THEN THE UNUSED SPRAWLING PROPERTY. A COMMERCIAL AND UNDEVELOPED. I THINK IT'S USED FOR VARIOUS THINGS CURRENTLY, ACTUALLY, BUT IT'S SHARED STORAGE OR SOMETHING. OR SHEDS OR WHATEVER. SO NEXT ONE, THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGER PIECES IS THAT INTERSECTION OF GARDINER AND REDWOOD, 16 PARCELS HERE, ABOUT 9.7 ACRES. FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION HERE FOR THE BACK HALF OF THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL IS THE LANDSCAPE. CAN I INTERRUPT? SORRY. I WAS DRIVING ON THE ROAD TODAY, AND. EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE MERIT MEDICAL IS ON. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. AND I JUST DROVE BY AND I SAW THEIR BRAND NEW HUGE WAREHOUSE THEY PUT UP THERE. THEY NOT HAPPY NEIGHBORS, NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT. I THINK IT'S HORRIBLE LOOKING. SO I WANT TO AVOID SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, IT'S GREAT AND I THINK THEY'RE BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT'S FINE BECAUSE IT'S BACK AWAY FROM THE STREET. EDUCATION CENTER. BUT THE NEW ONE THAT THEY PUT UP IS RIGHT ON REDWOOD. THAT'S A HUGE TALL WALL. YEAH. AND IT'S NOT IT'S TERRIBLE. SO ANYWAY, WE DON'T WANT THAT. I DON'T WANT THAT. KEEP THAT OUT OF OUR TOWN ESTHETICALLY. SO IS THIS THE IS THIS THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE OF THE NEXT PICTURE? IT'S.

SO THIS WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO, SO THAT'S WHERE LIKE THE LITTLE STRIP MALL THAT IS WHERE. YEAH, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE PINK. IT'S THE STRIP PROPERTY. YES. RIGHT UP HERE.

STRIP. OH DON'T BE TAKEN AWAY. MY FOOD PLACE. CAN WE INCLUDE THE NORTH SIDE OF GARDINER TO GET THE NURSERY IN THERE. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT. YEAH IS GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING HAPPEN TO IT. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A LITTLE SUBDIVISION. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO STAY A NURSERY. NO NURSERY FOR THREE. IT'S WHERE I ACTUALLY I WOULD, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE, THE NORTH SIDE OF GARDINER WHERE THE GRASS FIELD LAND, THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE CC ZONE THAN THIS IS SO THIS, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THAT STRIP MALL, THE STRIP MALL IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. THE STRIP MALL IS GOING TO STAY. IT'S EVERYTHING BEHIND IT. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION, BUT I THINK THE MAYOR IS RIGHT. WE SHOULD EXPAND IT ACROSS THE STREET THE SAME TIME. YEAH, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE STRIP MALL. THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. BUT THE REST OF IT, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THAT LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. WELL, THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE UNLESS THE HOMEOWNERS WANT THE MONEY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE UNLESS THEY SELL THEIR PROPERTY EVENTUALLY. WE'RE JUST SAYING IT'S A POSSIBLE LOCATION. I'LL WAIT TILL IT'S DEVELOPED. AND THEN I DIDN'T SEE EITHER. THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVER HERE. YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY PUT IN THOSE

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AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GET? I, I'VE ASKED THE CITY TO LOOK INTO BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PAST THOSE. WHAT HAPPENED THERE. THAT'D BE REALLY GOOD. YEAH. YEAH, THEY'RE WAY DEEP. THEY GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE. YOU HAVE TO WONDER WHAT HAPPENED BACK IN THE YEARS THAT THEY JUST DECIDED, HEY, I GET THIS LAND FROM HERE TO HERE. YEAH. THAT'S CRAZY. FARMS BACK BEHIND THEIR HOUSE. YEAH, BUT THEY WEREN'T THAT SKINNY BACK IN THE DAY, I DON'T THINK. YEAH.

THEY WERE. YEAH. SOME OF THE OLD. MY GRANDPA'S HOUSE WAS THAT WAY TOO. HEY. GO ON. HEY. GOOD JOB. SO THIS IS 72, 80 REDWOOD, FIVE PARCELS. THERE'S A CURRENT STORAGE UNIT AT THIS LOCATION, AND THEN A COUPLE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, 6.4 ACRES IN SIZE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

JUST UP HERE. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. THIS IS KIND OF WHERE JURASSIC TACO AND THERE'S AN OLD HOUSE BETWEEN THAT AND THE VALVOLINE. RIGHT.

THERE'S ONE OF THEM. THERE'S ONE THERE, ONE THAT'S LIKE AN INSURANCE. YEAH. AND THAT'S A CAR WASH THERE AS WELL, I BELIEVE. YEAH. THAT'S CAR WASH IS NEW. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS CANAL AND REDWOOD. SO YOU SEE STAR POINT COMING THROUGH THIS, BUT ALSO THE BIG LARGE PARKING LOT THAT'S UNDERUTILIZED IN FRONT OF GRACE COMPANY AS A POTENTIAL SITE FOR. WELL GRACE OWNS THE PARKING LOT. RIGHT, RIGHT. YES. I KNOW THAT THEY'VE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, RETAIL UP FRONT, BUT THEY MAY 7TH. YEAH. THEY'VE THEY'VE AT LEAST KICKED THE TIRES WITH US AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE ABOUT IS THERE SOMETHING THEY CAN DO WITH THE FACT THEY NOT UTILIZING THAT PARKING BECAUSE THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE MUCH LESS THAN TARGET WAS. SEE, I THINK THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE, IS THAT ALMOST ALL OF THEM, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THEM ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, WE'D SAY THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE PROPERTIES ON REDWOOD ROAD WE TARGET FOR REDEVELOPMENT. AND SO IT'S A GOOD JOB TAILOR FOR WHAT YOU BROUGHT FOR US. SO I WOULD I WOULD THINK THOSE PROPERTIES, THERE WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PICKING PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE PRIMED FOR REDEVELOPMENT NOW ANYWAY. SO HOW ABOUT A CARWASH? YES. TO YOURS. SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED? OR I'LL GO BACK TO THE ONE WHERE WE CAN SEE THE WHOLE REDWOOD ROAD. I HAVE. DO I HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT THAT ARE GOOD WITH THESE THAT ARE PROPOSED? YES. YEAH. WITH THE ADDITION OF THAT, WITH THE, WITH THE ADDITION OF. YEAH. YES. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US. NO.

THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. OUR NEXT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED

[c. Discussion of Potential Adoption of the Transfer of Development Rights]

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AND BOTH OF BOTH OF THESE, PARTICULARLY THE TRANSFER RIGHTS, CAME UP AS A WAY TO TRY TO BALANCE WATER AND WATER USAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE AREAS WE KNOW PROBABLY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO SAY, LET'S PUT MORE HOUSES ON IT. WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? BY THE BY THE TRANSFER RIGHTS THERE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT HOUSES ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY EVER AGAIN. BUT YOU CAN HAVE THAT DEVELOPMENT ON REDWOOD ROAD OR SOME OTHER CORNER WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. AND SO IT GIVES US A WAY TO PROTECT AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY, OTHER PROPERTY, AND LIKEWISE SOME OF THE WATER THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. JORDAN, I CAN TELL YOU, I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH AT A AT A CHAMBER EVENT HERE A WEEK AGO, HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE, WITH ALAN PACKER, WITH THE WITH THE JORDAN VALLEY WATER CONSERVANCY DISTRICT. THEY ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS WITH US LOOKING AT THAT. IT ALSO TIES IN WITH THEIR WATER BUDGET AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. THAT AND GREG, YOU CAN JUMP IN WITH THAT, THAT IF THERE'S A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MORE WATER THAN WHAT THE WHAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOTTED, JORDAN VALLEY IS GOING TO BASICALLY SAY, GO GET THE WATER. AND YEAH, WE'LL AND WHEN YOU BRING US THE WATER, THE OR AN EQUIVALENT WATER RIGHTS WILL PROVIDE YOU THE WATER. SO THIS JUST DOVETAILS INTO THAT TO GIVE US ANOTHER TOOL. AND SO WE HAD A LOT OF TIME TO SPEND ON THIS DISCUSSION. BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO GET TO IS DO WE HAVE FOUR OF US. I THINK THERE'S TWO OF US THAT WANT TO GO THERE. SO ARE THERE TWO MORE THAT WOULD HAVE. WELL, I WAS OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT AND THERE'S A LOT OF PROS TO IT. THERE'S A LOT OF PROS. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SEEING THE BIG PICTURE TOO, OF SOME OF THE CONS THAT. SO WE KNOW NOT SAYING THAT IT'S A GAME CHANGER FOR ME, BUT I, I KNOW THIS CAN BE QUITE COMPLEX FOR OUR STAFF. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NEW REGULATORY FRAMEWORK. THERE'S TRACKING SYSTEM POSSIBLE THIRD PARTY MANAGEMENT THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF. ARE WE GOING TO DO A TDR BANK OR STUFF LIKE THAT. THE INITIAL SETUP TIME STAFF INTENSIVE? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THOSE POTENTIAL THINGS WITH OUR STAFF. NONE OF NONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING ARE ARE PART OF THIS PROCESS. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN THAT, THOUGH IN OTHER WORDS, THIS ISN'T THIS IS AN ISSUE. SOMEBODY GOES AND BUYS THE TRANSFER RIGHTS. THE PERSON WILL PUT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON TOP OF THEIR PROPERTY, AND IT'S DONE. AND THEY CAN'T BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY AGAIN. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF IT BECAUSE THAT'S RECORDED ON THE DEED. AND WE CAN BUILD THAT FRAMEWORK OUT IN OUR CITY. LIKE, I KNOW, LIKE MAPLETON HAS BONUSES IF THE LAND IS DONATED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE CAN CREATE OUR FRAMEWORK. I'M JUST WANT TO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE SEEING THE BIG PICTURE OF BOTH. WHAT COULD BE AN ISSUE FOR OUR CITY THAT WE CAN OVERCOME? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE POSSIBLE PITFALLS OF IT, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF POSITIVES TO IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ALSO THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO JUST DISPROPORTIONATELY BENEFIT LARGE LANDOWNERS OR DEVELOPERS, AND THAT WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE CLEAR RULES AND TRANSPARENCY AS WELL. IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND THINGS WITH LIKE TRAFFIC AND SCHOOLS AND NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERS, THAT WE'RE ALL WE HAVE THE FRAMEWORK SET ASIDE. THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NO, I KNOW IT IS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT FALLING INTO SOME PITFALLS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING. AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK YOU UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE THERE'S A THERE IS A LOT OF PROS, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE CITIES WITH. LIKE PUBLIC AWARENESS AND THE TRANSPARENCY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SET UP THE FRAMEWORK LIKE LIKE LIKE MAPLETON. THE TRANSFERS ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN TWO DIFFERENT ZONES OR LIKE. I HAD MORE NOTES ON DIFFERENT CITIES, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SEEING THE BIG PICTURE AND UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. BUT THAT'S NOT THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING. THE DISCUSSION TODAY IS DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND START LOOKING AT THAT? YEAH, I DO WANT TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO OUR FULL RESEARCH AND NOT HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT ADVICE. YEAH.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE DETAILS AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ORDINANCE.

YEAH. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR STAFF ISN'T OVERWHELMED AND OVERBURDENED AS WELL WITH ALL OF THIS. SO I'LL JUMP IN HERE. I'M COMING BACK TO PROPERTY RIGHTS. AND, YOU KNOW, ARE WE OVERSTEPPING THEIR BOUNDS ON THIS? AND I'LL USE THE NEIGHBORS AS AN EXAMPLE. I KNOW THAT BETTY IS NOT GOING TO SELL THAT LAND WHILE SHE'S ALIVE. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN SHE PASSES AWAY. WILL HER FAMILY SELL IT? I'M SURE SOME OF THEM MIGHT WANT TO. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DIDN'T

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HOLD ON. BEFORE WE GET INTO MORE DETAILS HERE. SO WE'LL GO BACK TO THE GOAT FARM. DRAKE'S HAVE SAID I'M NEVER GOING TO SELL THAT LAND. THEIR FARM IS IN THE MIDDLE OF SUBURB AND RETAIL AND WHATEVER. BUT IT'S NOT REALLY IN A FARM AREA ANYMORE. SO SAVING THE DRAKE FARM IS NOT GOING TO BENEFIT US AS INDIVIDUALS. I'M NEVER GOING TO GO TO THE DRAKE FARM. I'M NEVER GOING TO USE THE DRAKE FARM. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BUY THE DRAKE FARM, MAKE IT INTO A PARK BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO COST MONEY TOO. SO ARE WE CREATING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BEEN ASKED FOR? IT'S IN STATE STATUTE. IT'S A TOOL. IT IS A TOOL. BUT BUT IT'S A TOOL. BUT IT'S THE LANDOWNERS ASK FOR IT.

AS BETTY NAYLOR SAID, THERE IS AN AREA THAT I FEEL IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY, WHICH IS IN ONE OF OUR AREA. STATIONARY STATION AREA PLANS BY THE JORDAN RIVER, UP BY PIONEER HALL. IN OUR STATION AREA PLAN, WE HAVE THIS BIG GREEN SPACE THAT WE'D LIKE. AND THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT AS A GREEN SPACE. AND PART OF THE PROS WERE THE GRAVEL IS THERE WHERE THERE'S NO GREEN PART OF THE PROS GIVES LANDOWNERS OPTIONS WITHOUT FORCING A SALE. BUT WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE KEY TO THAT IS VALUATION AND MARKET VIABILITY. BUT IT DOES GIVE LANDOWNERS AN OPTION. AND ALL OF THIS IS FREE MARKET ABILITY. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, YES, YOU CAN DO IT TO ALLOW THEM TO DO IT. BUT I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR WHENEVER MISS TAYLOR'S GONE, YOU KNOW, IS IT OUR RIGHT IS GOING TO KEEP FUNDING. MAYBE THAT'S NOT MY THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT MY WORD.

THE QUESTION IS NOT TELLING DAVID AND HIS FAMILY HOW TO USE THEIR. HERE'S HERE'S THE HERE'S THE HERE'S WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT YOURS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO.

HERE'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PROPERLY COMPENSATED, THEY THEY GOT MONEY FOR THEIR CONSERVATION EASEMENT. THEY STILL KEEP THE PROPERTY SO THEY CAN USE THE PROPERTY. AND EVEN WITH CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, THEY CAN THEY'LL SAY, HEY, I CAN BUILD ANOTHER 3 OR 4 HOUSES ON HERE. THEY CAN DO SOME THINGS. BUT WHAT IT DOES IS FOR THE CITY, LET'S JUST LET'S JUST USE THE 13TH WEST CORRIDOR FROM, FROM 78TH TO BESIDES THE CEMETERY, FROM THE RAILROAD TRACKS ON DOWN TO 88 SOUTH, WHERE MOST OF THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE IS OPEN. THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO DO WE WANT TO PROTECT THAT AND BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IN 20 YEARS? IS THAT ALL TURN TO HOUSES, AND WHERE DO WE COME UP WITH THE WATER? IF THAT ALL GOT TURNED TO HOUSES? AND BY THE WAY, WE GOT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUILD EVERYTHING ON REDWOOD ROAD. SO WE'RE BUILDING UP REDWOOD ROAD AND THEN WE'RE BUILDING THIS OTHER. WHAT THIS HELPS US DO IS TAKE AND SHIFT THE DEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH REDWOOD ROAD AND KEEP 13TH WEST AND PROTECT THE CENTENNIAL FARM AND PROTECT SOME OTHER THINGS THERE. THEY STILL GET THEIR MONEY. IT'S THEIR LAND. WE'RE NOT INTERFERING WITH THEIR LAND RIGHTS, BUT IT SHIFTS THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO PUT HIGH DENSITY HOUSING ON THERE IN 20 YEARS. IT SHIFTS THAT AND SAYS, NO, IT'LL STAY ON REDWOOD ROAD. WE'RE NOT WE DON'T WANT A PLAN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, YES, EVERY AGRICULTURAL SPACE IN WEST JORDAN, WE'RE GOOD WITH HIGH DENSITY HOUSING. AND I'M NOT READY TO SAY THAT OR OR MEDIUM DENSITY HOUSING OR LOW DENSITY HOUSING. DO WE WANT TO TURN ALL THAT VACANT LAND INTO THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE IF I'M SEEING SOMETHING, LET'S SAY SOMEONE DOES THIS SELLS OFF THEIR SORT OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, PART OF THEIR RIGHTS TO THEIR LAND TRANSFERS AND STUFF. AND THEY DO IT NOW WHEN THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET LESS MONEY LATER. EVERYTHING GETS DEVELOPED UP.

AND NOW THE NEXT GENERATION OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING, WOW, WE'D LIKE TO SELL THAT LAND. WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT FOR VERY MUCH BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU ALREADY SOLD OFF THE VALUABLE PART OF YOUR RIGHTS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT AT LEAST YOUR LAND IS PROTECTED. AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, I DON'T WANT IT PROTECTED. I WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR MORE. WELL, YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU ALREADY GOT SOMEBODY SAID YOU CAN'T. WELL, YOU GOT IT FOR MONEY OR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. ANCESTOR ANCESTORS CHOSE TO MAKE THE MONEY WHEN THEY SOLD IT AND NOT PASS THAT ON. MY, MY WHAT I'M GETTING TO. AND THIS GOES TO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT PAMELA WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT SOMEONE WILL GO, WE WERE RAILROADED BECAUSE OUR ANCESTORS

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YEAH. YEAH. BUT I JUST I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT UP THE SIX OF US HERE TODAY TO DECIDE SOMETHING. NO NO NO NO 25 YEARS LATER WHEN WE WON'T EVEN BE ON THE COUNCIL. WE JUST DECIDED FOR SEVERAL. THAT'S WHAT WE DO ALL THE TIME. WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO OCCUR FOR THEIR PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. OUR WHOLE JOB IS 25 YEARS. WE JUST DID THAT. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? THE DIFFERENCE IS I DON'T OWN THAT LAND OUT THERE. YOU DON'T OWN THE LAND THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, AND WE DON'T OWN ANY OF THESE LANDS. YEAH, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO THE LANDOWNER. WE'RE NOT DOING WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. WE'RE GIVING WE'RE PROVIDING ANOTHER TOOL. JUST LIKE THE REDWOOD ROAD ZONE IS ANOTHER TOOL. IT'S A TOOL THAT THE LANDOWNER AND THE DEVELOPER CAN USE. THIS IS JUST A TOOL THAT A LANDOWNER AND A DEVELOPER CAN USE. I DON'T CARE IF WE'RE VERY CLEAR WITH THE IDEA THAT, OKAY, YOU'VE DONE THIS, YOU CAN NO LONGER EVER DO THIS, THIS, THIS DOWN THE LINE JUST GOT TO BE FULLY TRANSPARENT. YEAH. IT'S THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING BECAUSE I WOULD LOOK AT IT AND WHEN THEY GO TO BUY IT AND WHEN A, WHEN A DEVELOPER GOES TO BUY THAT DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. IT'S GOT TO BE VERY CLEAR. AND AS WE KNOW, DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN VERY ABOVE BOARD AND TRANSPARENT WITH EVERYTHING AT ALL TIMES. YEAH. JUMP INTO SOME QUESTIONS. YEAH.

YEAH. ARE THESE WHERE ARE THESE WATER RIGHTS ORIGINATE? SOME OF IT'S ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THE IRC IS THAT IRC IS ALREADY DEDICATED TO THAT PROPERTY. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO WITH THAT NOW IN CLEAR, ARE WE ARE WE ARTIFICIALLY ENRICHING LANDOWNERS BY ALLOWING THEM TO SELL THEIR WATER RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY, THAT WE ASSIGN THEIR WATER RIGHTS? THEY'RE SELLING THEIR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, WHICH IMPLIES THAT THEY'RE TRANSFERRING WATER RIGHTS, BUT IT'S NOT THEIR WATER. RIGHT. IT'S WHAT THE CITY HAS ASSIGNED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS AN IRC THAT WOULD THAT WOULD TRANSFER AWAY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. BUT ALL THE WATER IN THE STATE OF UTAH IS OWNED BY THE STATE. AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S ARTIFICIAL ENRICHMENT. WHY? THEY'RE THEY'RE SELLING WHAT? THE TRANSFER DEVELOPER. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WHO HAVE SAID THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ERAS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND NOW IT'S FOR SALE. THAT'S THAT SEEMS DANGEROUS TO ME. SO WHY WOULD THAT? WHAT? WHY IS THAT ANY MORE DANGEROUS TO SAY? THERE'S, THERE'S LET'S JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SAY SOMEBODY GOT SIX ERCS ON THE UNIT ON THE PROPERTY. THEY SELL THEIR TRANSFER RIGHTS, AND THOSE SIX ERCS GO WITH SOMEPLACE ELSE. WHY IS THAT? HOW IS THAT ANY WORSE THAN JORDAN VALLEY SAYING WE GET THE FINAL SAY ON WHETHER YOU APPROVE THE PROPERTY, THE DEVELOPMENT OR NOT, BECAUSE THAT'S COMING. JORDAN VALLEY IS GOING TO HAVE SOME ORDINANCES THAT WILL SAY, IF WE CAN'T PROVIDE THE WATER, YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THE WATER TO US. WELL, HOW'S THAT ANY DIFFERENT? BY USING A BY USING A POOL IN WEST JORDAN AND SAYING, YEAH, WE CAN SHIFT SOME ERCS FROM THIS AREA TO THAT AREA. AND THE LANDOWNER SAYS, YEAH, I'M NOT GOING, I'M TAKING I'M TAKING THE MARKET VALUE OF MY LAND, WHICH IS THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT. I'M TAKING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MARKET AREA FOR MY LAND. I'M TAKING THE MONEY NOW AND I STILL GET TO KEEP MY PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO. I'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. LET ME. IF WE IF A

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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SELLING THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. THERE'S GOING TO BE AN IMPLICATION THAT WATER GOES WITH IT. BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SELLING THE AIR THAT'S DEDICATED FOR THAT LAND. ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. I FEEL LIKE I REALLY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. AND SO MAYBE I'M MAYBE I'M KICKING AT THE PRICKS THAT I SHOULDN'T BE. IF IT'S A FARM, THEY ALREADY USE MORE WATER THAN RESIDENTIAL UNITS ANYWAY. FARMS USE WAY MORE WATER, SO THEY SELL THAT. NOT A SECONDARY WATER. ARE OUR FARMS ON SECONDARY? ARE THEY ON ON MOST OF THE 13TH WEST OR ON SECONDARY WATER. ALL RIGHT. SO IF IT'S OKAY. SO LET'S LET'S TAKE THAT ASIDE. IF, IF THEY ARE ON SECONDARY I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT PART OF IT. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SEWER. THE SEWER HAS BEEN PLANNED. DO THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE SAME SEWER LINE IN ORDER TO HAVE TRANSFERABILITY? THIS IS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT AND THIS CONCENTRATES THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY EXISTS RATHER THAN. SHE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. MEANING THAT. THE LANDOWNERS ARE COMPENSATED FOR NOT DEVELOPING AND THEN DEVELOPERS GAIN VALUE. HENCE THE DENSITY INCREASED DENSITY BY PURCHASING THESE RIGHTS. ALIGNING IT KIND OF LINES UP PRIVATE INTERESTS WITH PUBLIC GAINS, BUT CONCENTRATES THAT DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY EXISTS AND KEEPS THE OTHER LAND THAT WE DON'T REALLY WANT DEVELOPED. WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? UNDEVELOPED, UNDERDEVELOPED. SO WE'RE IT'S ALMOST LIKE A IT'S PART OF THE PROS. IT'S PART OF THAT SMART GROWTH WHERE INSTEAD OF CREATING INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE IT DOESN'T EXIST, WE'RE MOVING THE, THE, THE GAINS WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK SO, AND SO IT ALLOWS FOR FAMILIES TO KEEP THE LAND IN THE FAMILY, BUT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SELLING SOME OF THESE RIGHTS. SO THAT WAY THE CITY HAS A WISER GROWTH PLAN THAT TAKES OFF SOME OF THE WEIGHT OF BUILDING OUT SOME OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE AND URBAN SPRAWL, URBAN SPRAWL, MORE INTO WHERE THE AREAS OF THE CITY WE WANT TO CONCENTRATE THE BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M EXPLAINING THIS RIGHT IN MY HEAD. YEAH, NO, IT'S ALL THERE. THE PROBLEM JUST COMES DOWN TO LATER. IF SOMEONE, LIKE I SAID, I'M DOWN THE ROAD, IF SOMEONE GOES, WOW, THIS CITY IS REALLY DONE SOME STUFF, I COULD SELL THIS LAND AND DO A LOT OF GOOD STUFF. OH, I CAN'T BECAUSE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DESIGNATED THIS IS GOING TO BE ALREADY SOLD OFF PART OF OUR LAND TODAY IN A SENSE. AND I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT WE SOLD OFF OUR WATER RIGHTS, BUT THAT'S IT. BUT THAT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT NOW THAN IF SOMEBODY SAID, I'M GOING TO SELL OFF THE ACREAGE OF MY FARM AND I'M GOING TO TAKE MONEY AND TURN IT INTO HOUSES AND MY GRANDKIDS GET SCREWED, IT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT FROM THAT. THAT'S AN OPTION, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE GRANDKIDS WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOME LAND THAT WOULD WOULD STILL BE FARM, AND AT THE END IT'LL BE A FARM. THE LANDOWNERS DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. THAT'S RIGHT. KEEP IT HOW IT IS. THIS IS JUST AN OPTION. JUST ANOTHER TOOL FOR I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER COULD COME IN AND GO, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME MONEY NOW AND YOU STILL GET YOUR LAND IS STILL YOURS AND THIS AND THAT. WE JUST WANT THIS LITTLE BIT, THESE ERAS. IT'S NOT YOUR WATER, IT'S NOT ANYTHING. WE'RE JUST TAKING THESE. WE'RE GOING TO TRANSFER THEM OVER HERE AND YOU'LL BE OKAY. AND THEN LATER AFTER THERE'S THERE HAS TO BE FULL DISCLOSURE AND BUT I THAT'S THAT'S MY WORRY. AND AT THE END OF THAT OFTENTIMES THERE'S NOT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE AND THE OTHER THE OTHER TOOL IS THE PROTECTION ZONE THAT IS SOLELY PROPERTY RIGHT DRIVEN THAT'S SOLELY PROPERTY OWNED DRIVEN. AND THEY'RE SAYING I WANT TO ESTABLISH AN AGRICULTURAL PROTECTION ZONE. IF THEY ESTABLISH THAT THAT PROTECTS THE THAT PROTECTS THAT PROPERTY FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS. SO THEY CAN SAY, LOOK, DEVELOPERS, I'VE ESTABLISHED THIS PROTECTION ZONE, LEAVE ME ALONE FOR 20 YEARS TO COME BOTHER ME. AND AS A CITY WITH OUR PLANNING, WE WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THE LONG TERM OF PARKS AND BUFFERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THAT PROTECTS THAT. IF THE PRIVATE OWNER IS LIKE, I AGREE WITH THIS, LET'S KEEP THIS PROTECTED AND THEY CAN DO THAT. YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE LIKE WITH THE,

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THAT'S THE QUESTION TODAY. YEAH. BEFORE BEFORE I GIVE MY ANSWER, COULD I ASK MR. DAVENPORT HIS OPINION ON THIS IDEA? I THINK YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT ASSIGNING WATER OR SEWER RIGHTS TO AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY. RIGHT NOW. I GIVE THEM VERY LITTLE. RIGHT? NO. SO IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME. HEY, THE DRAKE FARM, HOW MANY YEARS ARE THERE? TWO. SO I THINK THAT YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU DESIGN THIS, THAT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT. WHAT IF WE GIVE MORE AREAS THAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THERE MAY NOT BE ANY THAT YOU'RE TRANSFERRING. WELL, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE ARE SAYING IF WE DO THAT IS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO HAVE 20 HOUSES ON IT, WHICH SAVES US 20 YEARS IN THE FUTURE. SO I THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT, YOU'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT WHY WE NEED TO CREATE THIS FRAMEWORK. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT NOW, AIRCREWS ON ALL THESE AGRICULTURAL AREAS I HAVE, I HAVE MINIMAL AREAS ASSIGNED TO THOSE IN ANY OF MY MASTER PLANS. THAT'S WHAT I THINK, THAT MY LITTLE $0.02 I CAN ADD TO THIS. BUT IF YOU IF YOU REMEMBER, I CAN'T. I THINK YOU WERE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN THIS HAPPENED. MAYBE NOT. WE HAD SOME PEOPLE COME IN AND WANTED TO BUILD TEN HOUSES. WHAT WAS IT, 10 OR 15 HOUSES ON THE EAST SIDE OF REDWOOD ROAD THERE, RIGHT OFF OF ABOUT WHERE NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY GOES IN. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENCROACH IT WITH THAT NUMBER OF HOUSES RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT THE AREA.

ALL THIS WOULD DO IS ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SELL IT AND PROTECT IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING. RIGHT. I AGREE IT'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. I THINK YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT MENTIONING, AND I THINK THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO CREATE A NICE FRAMEWORK THAT PROTECTS THE FUTURE, THE CITY AND THE POTENTIAL LANDOWNERS WHO ARE GOING TO GET INVOLVED. IS THAT AM I RIGHT WITH THAT? DO YOU AGREE? AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THERE. YEAH, USUALLY PROTECTION ZONES AND THE TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ARE CREATED WHEN THERE'S A COMPELLING PUBLIC INTEREST TO REDUCE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IN A SPECIFIC AREA. FOR EXAMPLE, A PROPERTY OWNER HAS SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO BUILD ALONG A HILLSIDE THAT YOU NEED TO PROTECT IT FOR WATERSHED REASONS, OR YOU WANT TO REDUCE IT FOR PUBLIC VIEW REASONS OR SOME OTHER REASON WHERE THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY HAS A COMPELLING INTEREST TO NOT HAVE THAT PROPERTY DEVELOPED. YOU DON'T TYPICALLY WANT TO CREATE PROTECTION ZONES FOR PRIVATE INTEREST. BUT NO, BECAUSE THE STATE LAW SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THE PROTECTION ZONE IS FOR A PRIVATE INTEREST. IT'S FOR THE PRIVATE INTEREST OF THE BENEFIT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. BUT THE PROTECTION OF THAT PROPERTY IS FOR THE PUBLIC INTEREST, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. AND SO THAT'S A LITTLE THAT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VARIATION FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN OCCURRING. IF THIS IS VALID, I WOULD SAY THE TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AS A CONCEPT HAS A LOT OF VALUE. WHEN THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO PROTECT THIS AREA FROM THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT ALREADY EXIST AND WANTS TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY EXISTS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE AT LEAST I WANT HERE'S WHAT I

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WELL, DO WE DO WE WANT TO SAY, YEAH, THOSE MIGHT BE IN ASCENDING ZONE BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT BE WILLING TO SAY, YEAH, I'LL SELL MY TRANSFER RIGHTS, BECAUSE THAT WAY MY LOT DOESN'T GET DEVELOPED INTO FOUR HOUSES. THEY WANT TO THEY CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO DEVELOP INTO FOUR HOUSES. BUT IF THEY I'M JUST I'M JUST GOING TO END MY THINKING. I'M OKAY WITH LOOKING INTO IT. BUT FOR LIKE WHAT CHAD SAYS, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT AREAS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY AREAS ARE AT STAKE HERE. IF WE'RE DOING A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF FOR, YOU KNOW, EIGHT AREAS, THEN I'M NOT INTERESTED IN IT. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANT. I AGREE, THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT. AND YOU'LL GET MY VOTE. IF YOU GET ME SOMETHING THAT SHOWS ME WHAT I'M VOTING FOR RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING YOU'RE SAYING. WHETHER YOU WANT TO EXPEND STAFF TIME, I WANT TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER. YEAH. ME AND BOB ARE. BOB IS OKAY TO LOOK INTO IT FARTHER. I DON'T KNOW, HE SAID HE WANTS TO LOOK INTO IT FARTHER, BUT ARE YOU OKAY LOOKING INTO IT FARTHER AND EXTENDING? THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. I'M OKAY. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. IF I CAN SAY THAT. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY. YEAH, I SOMEONE ELSE THOUGHT DIFFERENTLY. WHERE ARE YOU AT? THEY DIDN'T SAY YES. NO, I SAID YES. LOOK INTO IT. BUT AT THE NEXT TIME YOU COME TO ME, I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION. THEN IT GOES NO VERY QUICKLY AND I'M DONE WITH IT. OKAY, I THINK I KNOW. OKAY, BUT WE HAVE OUR FOUR. WARREN. SO MYSELF, COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER, BLOOM AND COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY. SPENDING STAFF TIME. THANK YOU.

[d. Discussion on Housing Zones to Encourage Homeownership]

YEAH. IT'S CHANGING OUR CODE TO INCORPORATE WHAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS GIVEN. SO THE GO AHEAD COUNCIL MEMBER LEGISLATURE BACK IN 2024 ACTUALLY CREATED IN INCENTIVES FOR CONSTRUCTION OF CONDOMINIUMS. AND THEY ALSO CREATED WHAT'S CALLED A Z, A HOMEOWNERSHIP PROMOTION ZONE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR DEED RESTRICTIONS AT SIX UNITS AN ACRE. WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 5.75.

AND THAT'S RIGHT IN SOME OF OUR ZONES, PARTICULARLY THE INTEGRATED HOUSING ZONE AND THE PRD, WE'RE SITTING AT 5.75. SO THE QUESTION THAT KAITLYN AND I HAD IS TO BRING FORTH THIS IS DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT ESTABLISHING THE HOMEOWNERSHIP ZONE BY UTILIZING A COUPLE OF ZONES RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE NEARLY SIX UNITS AN ACRE ALREADY, WE EXPAND THAT TO SIX UNITS. WE HAVE TWO ACRE. WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO, BUT BUT IF WE DO, IF WE DO, AND WE ADOPT THE SIX UNIT AN ACRE STANDARD IN, IN SOME OF THE ZONES. THEN WE CAN. MAKE IT A DEED RESTRICTION FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. SO REAL WORLD EXAMPLE, WE ALL KNOW WE ALL LOVE THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE CORNER OF 90TH SOUTH AND 4800 WEST KENT. IT'S IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, 2 TO 2 STREETS DOWN FROM YOU. WELL, WEST DEVELOPMENT WE PUT IN THERE, I THINK, TOTAL OF ABOUT 5.5 UNITS PER ACRE. I THINK THAT WAS THE TOTAL NUMBER WE DID WHEN ALL SAID AND DONE, IF THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND SAID, I

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AND IT'S NOT JUST INVESTORS OR FLIPPERS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, IF THERE'S HOMEOWNERSHIP IT'S NOT INVESTORS FIRST. YEAH I KNOW I MEAN STILL THERE'S ALWAYS A OCCUPIED OCCUPATION. YEAH. YEAH THAT'S THE DEED RESTRICTION. IS OWNER OCCUPIED FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS UNDER THE STATUTE. SO THE QUESTION BEFORE US REALLY IS THIS A TOOL WE WANT TO PUT IN OUR TOOLBOX OR IS IT NOT. YES. AND SO REALLY I JUST NEED TO KNOW IF I'VE GOT FOUR THAT WANT TO, TO UTILIZE THIS. SO I HAVE COUNCILMEMBER GREEN, COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ALL SIX OF US WERE IN. SO IT IS MADE CONDOMINIUMS THE PAST TEN YEARS. NO NO NO THERE IS FINANCING. IT MAKES IT HARD FINANCING. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE MADE IT HARD, BUT 572 CREATED SOME INCENTIVES FOR PEOPLE TO BUILD IT AND SEE IF THOSE INCENTIVES OUTWEIGH THE. AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE FUTURE LEGISLATION TO HELP WITH IT. I THINK YOU ARE IS THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD IS THAT STATE LAW? YES, YES, THAT'S IN THE STATUTE WITH THE HOTLINE THERE. IT'S IN THE. SO WE CAN'T GO TO TEN. DO WE KNOW WITH THAT INCENTIVES IS THAT MANAGEMENT FOR THE DEED RESTRICTION, THE INCENTIVES. THE INCENTIVES ARE A CONDOMINIUM OWNERSHIP. I'M JUST WONDERING IF OUR CITY GETS ANYTHING FOR THE MANAGEMENT AND THE KEEPING TRACK OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE AND THAT WOULD BE JUST FOR CONDOS. RIGHT. THIS IS ANY NO, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AREN'T ANYTHING THAT THE CITY HAS TO KEEP TRACK OF. THAT'S WHO'S KEEPING TRACK OF THAT COUNTY HAS TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT. IT'S ON THE DEED, OKAY. WHICH YOU NEVER GET A REAL PIECE OF PAPER. NO, IN CASE YOU WANT TO KNOW. AND THE FIVE YEARS HELPS KEEP THAT BLOCK FROM BEING SOLD. BECAUSE IF PEOPLE SELL THEIR HOUSES OFF THE SAME TIME. SO YOU CAN'T DO IT AS A LONG

[e. Presentation and Confirmation of Proposed Recreation Center for ZAP Application Submission]

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WE'VE ALL BEEN, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT ONE. YEAH. IT NEEDS TO HAVE A REVERSION. YEAH. SOMETHING THIS IS ONE ONGOING GROUNDS MAINTENANCE OF ALL EXTERIORS OF THE REC CENTER. THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE ANYWAYS. IT ACTUALLY HELPS US OUT, TOO. EVERYTHING'S ON ONE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. PEOPLE CAN AFFORD IT, BUT IT DOES SAVE THEM THE 100,000 ANNUAL IN-KIND.

THAT'S KIND OF THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SITE'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE SNOW PLOWING THE PARKING LOT THERE AS WELL, NOT JUST THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. WE'RE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DO IT. YEAH. GENE FULMER, GENE FULMER WELL, IT ALSO KEEPS IT UP TO THE STANDARD THAT WE WANT. AND AS WE SAW IN OUR SURVEY, OUR ESTHETICS OF OUR CITY MATTER TO OUR RESIDENTS, GOOD RECREATION. THE GOOD THING WITH IT, IT IS IT HELPS US. ANYWAYS, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ALREADY OUT THERE, BUT IT IS A SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS TO THE COUNTY TO HAVE TO TRANSPORT AND TO MOBILIZE A CREW OUT THERE TO MAINTAIN IT. SO THEY DO THE LIBRARY LIKE THEY DO ALL THE. YEP, YEP. AND SO IT IS A IT'S A VERY GOOD THING TO DONATE AND WE NEED TO DEAL WITH LIBRARIES PARKING LOTS TO THEM. DO WE STILL OWN THE LIBRARY LAND OR IS THAT ALL THEIRS NOW THAT'S ALL THEIRS. NO. THEY MAINTAIN IT INTO THIS, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY.

THIS IS THE NEXT ONE. WE'VE HEARD 5 TO 8 MILLION AS WE'VE TALKED WITH YOU IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THAT THE COUNCIL MAY BE WILLING TO GO, THAT AS WE LOOKED AT WITH OUR CONSULTANT AND ENGINEERING FIRMS, WE LOOKED AT ALL THE LAST STAFF APPLICATIONS, THOSE THAT ONE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE GOT THE NUMBER BASED ON PERCENTAGES OF WHAT OTHER CITIES WERE WILLING TO DO TO GET A REC CENTER. SO THIS WOULD BE, LIKE I SAY, 7 MILLION CONSTRUCTION COST UP FRONT. AND THIS WOULD BE FOR YOUR BASIC REC CENTER, YOUR KIND OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE WANT A BASIC REC CENTER WITH A POOL, INDOOR POOL, SOME COURTS THAT'D BE GO TOWARDS THAT SO THAT THE ASK WOULD BE AND THAT'S AROUND 25 TO 30 MILLION FOR A BASIC RIGHT NOW. SO BY US CONTRIBUTING SEVEN WE WOULD BE ASKING 2320, 22 IN THERE FOR THE TAX APPLICATION. GOOD. WITH THAT NUMBER COUNCIL'S 7 MILLION OR DO YOU WANT A YES OR NO FOR EACH THING OR CUMULATIVE AT THE END? I THINK EACH THING. OKAY. LET'S SHOW THE LAST. LET'S SHOW YOU THE LAST, BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT INPUT ON IS C AND D COMBINED. OKAY. WE'VE GOT SOME INPUT FROM OUR CONSULTANTS I WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON WE HEARD 8 MILLION. SO OUR CONSULTANT KIND OF RECOMMENDED THE 7 MILLION UP TOWARDS UPFRONT FOR CONSTRUCTION. THEN THE FIRST FOUR YEARS THE 250,000 AND A DONATION FOR OPERATING EXPENSES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE 8 MILLION. JUST A LOT OF TIMES, I'D SAY THE COUNTY HAS A HARD TIME GETTING THESE REC CENTERS UP AND GOING AND OPERATIONAL COSTS. I MEAN, YOU HAVE A NEW BUILDING. AND SO FROM HER PERSPECTIVE IN WORKING FOR THE COUNTY, SHE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD STRATEGY RATHER THAN 8 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION, SEVEN FOR CONSTRUCTION WITH WITH THIS. BUT AGAIN, WE CAN WE CAN DO IT OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD OF FIVE, EIGHT, WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU ALL WOULD RECOMMEND OR COMFORTABLE WITH OR, OR WE COULD PUT IT ALL TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION OR WHAT DO WE THINK THE OPERATING COSTS OF A REC CENTER IS THAT A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE. WE'RE 250. YEAH, WE'VE GOT THOSE COSTS. WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE WITH THE COUNTY, AND A LOT OF IT, AGAIN, IS ON HOW THEY PROGRAM IT, BECAUSE IT COULD BE WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'LL PROGRAM. THEY MAY RUN CERTAIN EVENTS WHERE THEY NEED MORE PEOPLE OR THEY MAY EVERY IT'S GOING TO BE USED. I MEAN IT'LL BE USED OVER AT THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, ONCE A WEEK WITH MY SON AND IT'S ALWAYS BUSY IN THERE. YEAH, IT'LL DEFINITELY BE USED, BUT. SO YEAH, THOSE ARE

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OUR CONSULTANT WORKED FOR THE COUNTY, BUT LUCKILY IT'S ALL AVAILABLE ANYWAYS, RIGHT? WAS ABLE TO GET EVERYBODY THAT APPLIED, ALL OF THEIR APPLICATIONS, WHAT THEY WERE WILLING. AND THEN WE WENT WITH THE ONES THAT WANTED TO ACTUALLY GOT A REC CENTER. DRAPER WAS ONE A FEW OTHERS, AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT THEY DONATED COMPARED TO CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND JUST KIND OF WENT WITH THE SAME PERCENTAGE. THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO KISS THE. YEAH. YEP, YEP. BUT IT COULD BE I SAY OTHER CITIES MAY, OTHER CITIES MAY OFFER MORE. I MEAN AGAINST APPARENTLY AT FIRST THERE WAS ONLY GOING TO BE. NOW WE'RE HEARING WORD THERE MAY BE MORE.

A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS FROM THE COUNTY. THERE'S THE COSTS ARE COMING IN, AS YOU SAY, AWFULLY HIGH. SO THE MONEY MAY NOT GO AS FAR. SO SOUTH JORDAN ONE ANOTHER ONE TO. WELL YEAH. THEY ALREADY GOT THE CAR. SOUTH JORDAN. YEAH. SOUTH JORDAN DID REALLY WANT BUT THEY BREAK. BUT THEY'VE KIND OF HORSE TRADED WITH SOME COUNTY SUPPORT FOR OTHER THINGS. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. AND I KNOW YOU'RE SO BUSY BUT YEAH LIKE MURRAY'S ASKING FOR ANOTHER ICE CREAM I KNOW YOU'RE SO BUSY. THE OTHER ONE ONE'S NOT ENOUGH A THIRD THAT TWO. YEAH I WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO SEE A BREAKDOWN OF THE CITY CONTRIBUTIONS VERSUS A PROJECTED COMMUNITY BENEFITS. I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA. IT'S GOING TO BE USED, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S AN ICE RINK. BUT IT'D BE NICE TO SEE, LIKE, ISN'T THAT REALLY SUBJECTIVE? IT CAN BE. BUT LIKE IF WE HAVE AN ICE RINK, WE KNOW THE ROI IS THERE. YOU KNOW, THE WORKOUT, THAT SORT OF THING. WHAT OTHER THE AMENITIES, THE POOL, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CONTRIBUTIONS MATCH THE ROI OF WHERE THE COMMUNITY IS BEING BENEFITED. AND I KNOW THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT SOME OF THIS WITH SOME OF THE MONEY THAT THEY WANTED TO SHIFT TO THE EAST SIDE TO REHAB SOME OLDER REC CENTERS.

THAT'S A LOT. YEAH, IT'S A MAIN DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. AND SO GIVEN THAT CONSTRUCT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT MILLION DOLLAR OPERATING COST CONTRIBUTION. I'M OKAY. ACTUALLY, IF WE IF THE COUNTY NEEDED A BREAK, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT SAYING THAT COULD GO THE MILLION COULD GO FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS TO HELP THEM OUT WITH COSTS. AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP US OUT BECAUSE IT WOULD REDUCE AN ANNUAL EXPENDITURE. RIGHT. AND SO THAT THE FIRST FOUR YEARS MAY BE A GOOD PLACE AS A BASELINE NEGOTIATION. BUT IF THAT WE GOT THAT MILLION DOLLARS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING FIVE YEARS OR SIX YEARS BECAUSE IT HELPS THE COUNTY OUT, BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOME THINGS ON SOME OTHER REC CENTERS. I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT. IN THE NEGOTIATION WITH THE DOP, ARE WE ALLOWED TO EXPLORE NAMING RIGHTS AND SPONSORSHIPS FOR THIS? IT'S A IT'S GOING TO BE A COUNTY OWNED COUNTY OPERATION. I'M WONDERING EVEN IF THAT NAMING RIGHTS, SPONSORSHIP, REVENUE FROM NAMING RIGHTS, SPONSORSHIP WOULD BE TO ACCRUE TO THE COUNTY AND NEGOTIATE. EXACTLY. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ADD THAT INTO THE NEGOTIATIONS, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE OPEN TO THAT FOR SURE. AND BEFORE WE MOVE ON, THOUGH, I HEARD KEVIN SAY SOMETHING TO COREY, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S OTHER SUPPORT WHICH WAS BASICALLY CONTRIBUTING MORE TO OPERATING COSTS, NOT MORE. JUST STRETCHING IT OUT. STRETCHING IT OUT. IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? ABSOLUTELY. IT SEEMS LIKE IT ONLY BENEFIT THE CITY TO DO THAT. OKAY. IT MIGHT BENEFIT THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A LONGER TRANSITION TO. OKAY.

YEAH, A LOT THOUGH IS CONTINGENT ON THIS MASTER PLAN. LIKE I SAID, THE COSTS HERE COMING IN HIGH ICE IS ALL OF A SUDDEN A BIG A BIG NEED. BUT IT'S EXPENSIVE THERE. I MEAN THE COUNTY STRATEGICALLY IS GOING TO TRY. SO WE WANT TO BE PREPARED TO NOT ASK FOR TOO MUCH OR TO ASK THINGS TO SAY. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO BRING TO THE TABLE. YEAH. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE LIKE WE HAVE AN ALL ELECTRIC OPTIONS IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND SIX WEEKS OUT. WE'VE GOT COST ESTIMATES. WE'VE DONE ALL THE HOMEWORK IF THEY WANT MORE. SO WE'RE JUST WE'RE ABOUT TO

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LOOK AT THE SURVEY. WE JUST GOT THE TWO THINGS THAT WERE THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES ARE THE LOWEST SET. WHATEVER RECREATION AND SENSE OF COMMUNITY. I WASN'T JOKING WHEN I SAID KISS THE RING. YEAH. NO YOU'RE NOT. WE GOT TO DO WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO TAKE. ONE OF THE GOOD FEEDBACK WE DID GET FROM THE COUNTY IS THIS FROM WHAT WE'VE SHOWED THEM? WE'VE SHOWN THE LAND.

WE'VE SHOWN. LOOK, YOU CAN PUT TWO ICE RINKS RIGHT HERE. ICE, AN OUTDOOR POOL. WE'VE SHOWED THEM ALL AND THAT WE'RE WILLING TO WE'RE WILLING TO DO ANY OF IT THAT THEY'RE WANTING WHERE OTHER CITIES ARE JUST SAYING HERE, WE WANT A POOL, WE WANT AN ICE RINK WHERE WE'RE SHOWING OFF COMMUNITY. WE'RE ALMOST GIVING THEM AN A LA CARTE. AND IF THEY DO WANT TO, HEY, WE LIKE THE BASIC, BUT WE WANT TO ADD AN OUTDOOR POOL, THEN WE CAN RENEGOTIATE. OR MAYBE THEY'LL JUST CHOOSE THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T ADJUST, THEN WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING. SO WE'RE JUST. YEAH. AND I THINK I THINK, BOB, YOU JUST MADE A COMMENT HERE A MINUTE AGO. YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THIS THING. YEAH, WE LOSE IT. WE'RE IF WE DON'T GET THE IF WE DON'T GET THE REC CENTER IN THIS ROUND TO ZAP, WE FIRST OFF, WE LOOK BAD. BUT THE NEXT TIME THAT COMES UP IS TEN YEARS FROM NOW. YEP. WELL, THAT'S WHY THEY LIKE THE PLAN. WE COULD GET THE REC CENTER AND THEN IN TEN YEARS WE'RE GOING TO NOW ADD FOR ASK FOR AN ICE RINK OR ASK BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE LAND WE'RE WILLING TO DO IT. AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE STRATEGY. GIVE US THE BASIC AND THEN MAYBE TEN YEARS WE ASK FOR ANOTHER COMPONENT. IF WE IF WE DON'T GET THIS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK DUMB. YEAH. BUT AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE BOND FOR REC CENTER ON THE WEST SIDE FAILED. SO IT'S NOT. YES. AND IT WASN'T THE WEST SIDE VOTED AGAINST. WE HAVE A LARGE GROUP THAT WANTS IT. BUT WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER GROUP THAT DOESN'T. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT OTHER THAN I REALLY NEED THE LAND TO COME BACK TO US. SHOULD THEY VACATE? I'M GOOD WITH THAT. YEP YEP YEP.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'VE GOT CONSENSUS ON THAT. CORBIN. AT THE RISK OF THROWING A WRENCH IN THE GEARS THE LAST MINUTE, THIS IS AN $8 MILLION TOTAL FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION. IN ADDITION TO THE IN-KIND. YEAH. CAN WE HAVE YOUR PERMISSION TO MASSAGE THAT 8 MILLION FROM EITHER ALL UP FRONT OR STRETCHING IT OUT OVER TIME? WHATEVER, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COUNTY MAY WANT THE MOST? YEAH, YEAH, BECAUSE WE WOULD JUST USE IT OUT OF OUR. CAN WE PUT A LIQUOR STORE ON. RECREATION AND RECREATIONAL THAT WOULD PAY FOR IT, WOULD PAY FOR IT IS SEVEN 7,000,001 STRETCHED OUT FOR TIME. BUT IF WE GET WORD THAT THE COUNTY LIKES 6,000,002 STRETCHED OUT OVER TIME, WHATEVER WILL HAPPEN. OKAY, I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

WE CARE, BUT WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. YES. THAT'S A BETTER WAY OF PHRASE. THAT'S BETTER. BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WHOLE YEAH, LET'S GET IT DONE. WE'RE TRYING. WE'VE GOT A GREAT CONSULTANTS AND METHOD STUDIOS BEEN AWESOME. SO I THINK YEAH, WE'VE GOT A GOOD INSIGHT. I HAVE AT ONE TIME WE WERE THINKING ABOUT ASKING RYAN SMITH. RIGHT. SO FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD NOW, SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO START A GRANT APPLICATION PROCESS IS WHAT WE'VE HEARD THAT THIS GROUP, HE DOESN'T WANT TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY. SO YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY HE YEAH, HE WANTS TO WORK WITH THE CITIES BUT NOT THE COUNTY. I'VE HEARD THE SAME. AND THEN WE'LL BE GLAD TO WORK WITH THEM TO HELP. WELL WE CAN WE CAN LET HIM BUILD A BUILDING. WHAT I'M SAYING IS HE'S OKAY TO GIVE US MONEY, BUT NOT MONEY TO GIVE TO THE COUNTY. WE CAN JUST HAVE HIM BUILD THE REC CENTER. WE CAN BUILD. WE CAN BUILD AN ICE RINK IN THE ARENA. YEAH, THAT'S LAST WE HEARD. IT'LL BE THROUGH A GRANT APPLICATION PROCESS. THAT WOULD BE A COOL RODEO. I DON'T THINK. YOU WATCH IT. CAN YOU CAN YOU IMAGINE MUTTON BUSTING ON THE ICE? YEAH. OUCH. OKAY, OKAY.

[ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS]

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YEAH. YOU DIDN'T TELL ME. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. OKAY. WELL, AS THE THREE AT LARGE SITTING HERE SAYING WHAT I KNOW WE WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED, PLEASE. AND THEN. YEAH. WHERE ARE YOU HOLDING THEM? AT CHAD'S HOUSE AND BOB'S HOUSE AND KEN'S HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW, AND ZACH DOESN'T KNOW YET, BUT HIS HOUSE, CITY HALL, HE CAN GET. HE CAN GET THERE. WON'T BE IN MY HOUSE SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO GREAT. THE OTHER ITEM FOR ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM IS MR. TAKE A MINUTE. I'M SORRY. DAVID, I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF YOUR LAST NAME. MR. DOBBINS TRIED TO GET AHOLD OF US. SOME OF US HAVE MET WITH HIM, AND SOME OF US HAVEN'T. LAUREN, CAN YOU PUT THAT UP FOR ME? SO THERE IS AN AREA IN THE CITY THAT THEY WANT TO PUT A USED CAR LOT THERE. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, I BELIEVE, CCM. AND SO WE REALLY WHAT IT WOULD HELP MR. DOBBINS TO KNOW IS IF THERE'S FOUR OR MORE OF US THAT THAT ARE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A USED CAR THERE, AND THEN IF WE ARE, HOW WOULD WE LIKE TO HAVE STAFF BRING SOMETHING BACK? WOULD WE LIKE TO CHANGE THAT ZONE THERE? WOULD WE LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT KIND OF ZONE? AND MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. DOBBINS, IS THERE AREN'T VERY MANY CCM ZONES IN THE CITY. CORRECT? THERE'S WHAT, TWO, TWO, 13? OKAY. YEAH. SO DO I HAVE FOUR OR MORE THAT WOULD LIKE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE STAFF BRINGING SOMETHING BACK TO US? YEP. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE SIX OKAY. ZONE WITH THE MODIFICATION FOR CARLA. YEAH. YEAH THAT'S HOW I'D HAVE TO GO. I HAVEN'T GONE THIS FAR YET. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS? IS THERE GOING TO BE ISSUES THERE IN 78. WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THEM HAVE ANY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO ON UDOT ROADS. NO, NO DRIVEWAYS.

THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ACCESS OKAY. THAT'S NOT A UDOT ROAD AT THAT POINT. WELL OKAY. YOU GOT UDOT ROAD STOPS AT AIRPORT ROAD DOESN'T IT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS? YEAH, I DID NOTICE ONE THING MAYBE. I JUST I WAS DRIVING UP HERE, I SAW IN THE LITTLE GATE THE, THE ROCK THAT WE HAD THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ON. AND THERE IS THAT IS THAT TO BE FIXED. WE JUST GOT A BRAND NEW ONE IN TODAY. OH, OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. THE ROCK THAT WAS ALL FADED. YEAH.

OH, YEAH. I JUST WENT IN TODAY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO COMMENT THAT. OH, YOU SAW THE NEW ONE. NO, I WANT TO KNOW. I WILL GO SEE THE NEW ONE BECAUSE IT WAS PUT IN TODAY. THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS LOOKING AT. I SAW IT AND I WAS WONDERING, THOUGH I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SAID, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE HAD SCRATCHED OUT UNDER GOD. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE COULD DEFACE. YEAH. IS IT THE SAME KIND OF THING? YEAH. IT WAS CHANGED TODAY WITH A BRAND NEW ONE, THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, CAN'T BE FIXED. WELL, OKAY. WELL THEN

[02:00:04]

HE DID SAY THIS WOULD LOOK GREAT. BUT SPEAKING OF COUNCILMAN JACOB, YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN A PROPONENT OF MORE PUBLIC ART. COUNCIL APPROPRIATED FUNDING FOR PUBLIC ART. WE CREATED A PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE INCLUDES THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CULTURAL ARTS SOCIETY. AND THEN FROM TIME TO TIME, WE SOLICIT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT ON PUBLIC ART PROPOSALS. I WANT TO UPDATE YOU ON THOSE PUBLIC ART PROPOSALS. IT REALLY NEED PICTURES. THAT'S WHY I SAID, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS UP WITH PICTURES. THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE PUBLIC ART INSTALLATIONS IN PROGRESS, AND THE FOURTH ONE BEING CONSIDERED. THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE WATER TANK NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF 78TH SOUTH AND 40TH WEST. THERE WILL BE A MURAL INSTALLED BY A WEST JORDAN RESIDENT ON THE EAST, FACING KIND OF SOUTHEAST FACING SIDE OF THAT WATER TANK. SO IT'S VERY VISIBLE, ESPECIALLY FROM THE INTERSECTION OF 70TH AND 48TH. IT'S A MURAL. IT'S A BRIGHT COLORED MURAL LANDSCAPE DESIGN WITH MOUNTAIN KIND OF A MOUNTAIN FEATURE. IT'S A FUN, NEAT MURAL AND IT WILL LOOK REALLY GOOD. I'LL SEND YOU SOME IMAGES TO SHOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO AND WHAT SOME OF THE RENDERINGS, THE PROPOSED RENDERINGS WERE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. THAT'S ALREADY UNDERWAY.

HOW DID WE CHOOSE THE RESIDENTS? THERE WAS A THERE WAS A BIG RFP CALL FOR ARTIST PROCESS. WE RECEIVED ART PROPOSALS AND THEN THE AND THEN WE INVITED A COMBINATION OF THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE EMPLOYEES AND. MEMBERS OF THE ART SOCIETY TO SELECT WINNING PROPOSALS AND RANK THE PROPOSALS. THE TOP TWO PROPOSALS FROM THAT PROCESS WERE SELECTED. THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE. SO THAT SITE HAS BEEN PRIMED, AND IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS YOU'LL SEE THE ARTISTS START PAINTING. I HOPE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, THE SECOND THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS, THE SECOND PROJECT THAT WAS SELECTED WAS A SCULPTURE. IT WAS A LARGE IT'S A LARGE SCULPTURE OF A SUGAR BEET, A WHALE, BUT NO, NO, NO, NO, I LOVE THE I'M SORRY. I'VE BEEN KIDDING ABOUT THE SUGAR BEET.

IT'S A IT'S A THE TITLE OF THE SCULPTURE IS CALLED ROOTED. IT'S A LARGE SCULPTURE OF A SUGAR BEET CELEBRATING THE SUGAR BEET AND SUGAR FACTORY HERITAGE IN WEST JORDAN. IT'S 14FT TALL. IT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED FOR A ROUNDABOUT OUT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY. HOWEVER, GIVEN THE SUBJECT OF THE ART THAT WE DISCUSSED AND THE ARTIST WAS EXCITED ABOUT A SITE AT THE OLD SUGAR BEET FACTORY SITE. SO IF YOU CAN PICTURE THE COUNTY POOL. AS YOU ENTER THE COUNTY POOL PARKING LOT FROM 22ND WEST, THERE'S AN ISLAND THAT USED TO HAVE A TREE IN IT. CURRENTLY THE LANDSCAPING IS KIND OF TORN UP. THE SCULPTURE WILL FIT IN THAT ISLAND AND WILL BE A NICE SCULPTURE FEATURE AS YOU ENTER THAT PARKING FIELD ON THE WEST SIDE FROM THE EAST. SO THOSE ARE THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED. THE ARTIST IS WORKING ON IT CURRENTLY. YOU WILL SEE THE INSTALL ON THE SIDE GOING IN THIS FALL. SO THAT'S THE TYPE OF SCULPTURE ON STEEL I THINK IT'S METAL I THINK IT'S STEEL WILL RUST I DON'T KNOW AS PART OF THEIR AS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL, THE ARTIST HAS TO MAINTAIN IT FOR FIVE YEARS. BUT AFTER THAT I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING SOME THINGS TO PROTECT IT FROM RUST. OR MAYBE

[02:05:05]

WE'RE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO A CONTAINER. PERFECT. YEAH, YEAH. IT'S. AND THEN THE FOURTH PUBLIC ART I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS JUST A PROPOSAL THAT WE SUBMITTED. THE NEW CEMETERY TANK IS NEARING COMPLETION. WE CALL IT THE CEMETERY TANK BECAUSE IT'S BUILT NEXT TO THE CEMETERY BY THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE ON 90TH SOUTH, NEAR 32ND WEST. WE ALREADY HAD ONE WATER TANK AT THIS SITE. THIS IS A MIRRORING WATER TANK. OH, I LOST GREG. THIS IS THE SECOND WATER TANK, BUT THE SECOND WATER TANK SITS CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION. AND ALTHOUGH IT'S THE SAME GRADE AS OUR EXISTING ONE, THE SLOPE OF THE LAND MEANS IT STICKS OUT OF THE GROUND MORE. SO IT'S CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION. IT STICKS OUT OF THE GROUND MORE, AND IT'S RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. IT'S VERY. THIS NEW TANK IS VERY VISIBLE NOW. IT KIND OF OBSTRUCTS WHAT YOU THINK IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. WE PROPOSE THE COMMITTEE PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK. WE HAVE PROPOSED TO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, ALLOWING THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE TO PUT A MURAL ON THAT WATER TANK AS THEIR ENTRANCE INTO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE WE TALKED TO LIKED THE IDEA. HE'S GOING TO TAKE THAT FURTHER, AND ONLY IF IT HAS R-6 FACES. AND THE MAYOR.

NO, WE PUT YOU IN THERE. MAYBE LIKE A DOODLE PUZZLE. YOU GOTTA FIND YOU. WE'RE GLAD HE PUSHED ME OUT. HE DIDN'T VOTE. OH, YEAH, AND CALVIN AND ZACH. ZACH AREN'T FAMILY, BUT. SO WE WILL WE'LL. I ASSUME THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE WILL PROCEED. THEY'VE DONE A COUPLE OF OTHER MURALS IN SOME OF THEIR OTHER CAMPUSES. WANTED THAT TO BE A WAY TO KIND OF BUILD COMMUNITY SPIRIT AND SCHOOL SPIRIT AND COMMUNITY PRIDE AND HIGHLIGHT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. WE ALLOWED THEM TO CHANGE IT PERIODICALLY. I CAN'T I MEAN, WHAT I COMMITTED TO THEM IS WE'RE OFFERING THE CANVAS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE CITY HAS A FINAL APPROVAL TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT VIOLATING OUR SIGN ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THERE'S A FINE LINE SOMETIMES BETWEEN A MURAL AND A SIGN. YEAH, BUT IF IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, WE DIDN'T. WE WORK ON A MURAL

[02:10:02]

AM I CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER TANKS? NO PUBLIC PROPERTY, BUT WILL IT OPEN THE DOOR FOR OTHER REQUESTS? POTENTIALLY. THAT MAY NOT BE A BAD THING, BUT YEAH, BUT THE QUESTION IS, DO WE. AND THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING VERY CAUTIOUSLY AND IT WOULD TAKE THIS ONE. WE CAN TAKE WE CAN TAKE A WHILE. BUT IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK AT TO AS AN ORDINANCE SO THAT WE ARE READY WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS BE FINE. YEAH. HAVE TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN ACROSS THE WAY HERE SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GREAT UPDATE. WE APPRECIATE THAT. HEY, SO, COREY, CAN I ASK A DUMB QUESTION SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS? YEAH. GOLD STAR. GOLD STAR. WAIT, WAIT. WE HAVE PROPOSED I'VE SEEN THE CONCRETE. I'VE SEEN THE CONCRETE. AND WE PROPOSED TWO DATES TO THEM FOR AN EVENT BECAUSE WE WANT THEY WANT TO BE PART OF IT. THE QUESTIONS WE'RE HAVING IS WE CAN INSTALL IT AT ANY TIME, BUT THE EVENT WOULDN'T BE UNTIL SEPTEMBER. OR WE CAN INSTALL IT AS IT GETS CLOSER TO THE EVENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE CHOSE TO DO. WE'RE JUST WAITING TO HEAR IF THOSE DATES WE SUBMITTED WORK FOR THEM. IT WOULD BE IN SEPTEMBER. SEPTEMBER? YEAH, WE GAVE THEM TWO DATES IN SEPTEMBER, SO WE'RE JUST WAITING TO HEAR BACK THEN. TYLER, I KNOW HE WAS GOING TO EMAIL THE COMMITTEE AS SOON AS HE HEARD ON THE DATES, BUT IT'S READY. YEAH.

OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE JUST IT'LL BE READY TO INSTALL THEN AN EVENT FOR IT. YEAH. YEP, YEP.

AND THERE WAS ONE POINT IN TIME YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ADDING THE EXTRA FLAGPOLES AROUND IT TO KIND OF FINISH OFF THE. YEAH. HAVE A PLAN FOR I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR. WE DIDN'T DO IT. I'LL FIND OUT. I KNOW DAVE HAD WE HAD A PLAN TO ADD FLAGS, ADD A LITTLE COURTYARD PLAZA THERE TOO. SO WE NEED TO ADD WE NEED TO ADD A COUPLE OF FLAGS TO THE TO THE SPACE ANYWAY BECAUSE WE NEED TO ADD THE SPACE FORCE FLAG. AND YOU ASKED ONE DAY IF TO BALANCE IT THAT THE SECOND FLAG THAT WOULD BE PERFECT THERE WITH THE SPACE FORCE WOULD BE THE POW MIA FLAG. AND SO IF IT CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU MIGHT WORK THERE TOO. BUT BUT ANYWAY, WE I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST AT LEAST A SIMPLE PLAN THAT YOU CAN BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO SEE IF WE WANT TO EXPEND THE FUNDS TO EXTEND THAT MEMORIAL AND, AND JUST INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE REST OF THE, THE VETERANS MEMORIAL THERE, DON'T YOU THINK, MAYOR? I THINK HE FLAGGED IT.

YEAH, IT NEEDS IT. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS? HERE IT IS. YOU DIDN'T SMELL IT? NO. I FIGURED EVERYONE COULD SMELL IT. I CAN'T SMELL IT. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I WANT TO GET ALL THE COMMITTEE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.