[b. Ordinance No. 25-30 a Rezone of 2.70 Acres to Add the Infill Development Overlay Zone (IDO-1) to a Parcel in Lumina, Located at 8399 South Dunlop Drive]

MOTION PASSES 6 TO 0. THANK YOU. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS ORDINANCE 25 DASH 30, A REZONE OF 2.70 ACRES TO ADD THE INFILL DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY ZONE TO A PARCEL IN LUMINA, LOCATED AT 8399 SOUTH DUNLAP DRIVE. OUR APPLICANT IS HERE ON BEHALF OF GARBETT HOMES, DAMIEN MORA, AND OUR PLANNER WILL BE. NOT WHO I WAS TOLD TAYLOR JENSEN. I WOULD LIKE. I THOUGHT WE HAD THE

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APPLICANT COME FIRST, MR. MOORE. CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR YOUR TIME. THANKS FOR HAVING ME TODAY. OKAY, LET'S GET STARTED. SO MY NAME IS DAMIEN MORA. I WORK FOR GARBUTT HOMES. I'M THE PROJECT LEADER ON THIS PROJECT. POTENTIAL PROJECT, PROPOSED PROJECT. SO I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT LUMINA. IT IS. BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT LUMINA, WE TALK ABOUT GARBETT. GARBETT HAS BUILT QUITE A FEW HOMES DEVELOPMENTS IN WEST JORDAN AND UTAH. JUST A. SOME OF OUR FOCUS, OUR FOCUS. WE BUILD ENERGY EFFICIENT GREEN HOMES. WE'RE LOCAL HOME BUILDER AND LUMINA WOULD BE JUST ANOTHER ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT HERE IN UTAH, WITH OUR FOCUS BEING ZERO EMISSION BUILDINGS. THAT MEANS ALL ELECTRIC. BUT ZERO EMISSION SOUNDS COOLER, BUT ZERO EMISSIONS WITH ENERGY EFFICIENCY. WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS, IS DO OUR OUR PART TO CONTRIBUTE TO IMPROVING THE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR AIR QUALITY IN UTAH. SO AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE ALSO WE DO THE LOCAL SCAPE WATER WISE LANDSCAPING WHICH DESIGNED BY THE JORDAN VALLEY CONSERVANCY DISTRICT WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS A WEST JORDAN PART OF THE STANDARD NOW. SO WE'RE LIKE MINDED ON THAT. SO JUST REALLY QUICK I'M GOING TO SAY I'LL TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO SAY WHAT LUMINA IS NOT. SO IT IS 2.7 ACRES. WE WEREN'T THE ORIGINAL. THE FIRST DEVELOPER UNDER CONTRACT. I THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THE PREVIOUS ONE WANTED TO BUILD 40 TOWNHOMES IN THIS AREA, AND I THINK THEY GOT LAUGHED OUT. BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SEE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND THEY SEE THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT THEY YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO PUT 40 TOWNHOMES HERE. AND WHEN WE HAD OUR OPPORTUNITY, WE KNEW, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE IS NOT WHAT THE, THE CITY OR, OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS SO WHAT WE WORKED ON IS, IS A PROPOSAL THAT WE FELT WAS. A GOOD POTENTIAL PROJECT FOR, FOR THIS AREA. I THINK TAYLOR WILL TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS THAT I DON'T, BUT I WANTED TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE SO. THE PROPOSAL TODAY IS FOR AN. IS FOR A REZONE. IT IS ZONED R1 80. THIS THIS REZONE WOULD ADD THE IDO THE INFILL DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY ONTO THAT.

OH GREAT. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT MINE. SO YEAH THIS IS THE GENERAL THE CONTEXT OF THAT. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOVE IS, IS THE ACCESS TO THAT TRIANGULAR PIECE THAT WE'RE CALLING LUMINA.

IT IS ZONED R1 EIGHT. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WHICH ALLOWS 3.1 TO 5 UNITS TO THE ACRE. SO AT FIVE UNITS TO THE ACRE WOULD ALLOW 13.5 UNITS. BUT SO WE. OUR PROPOSAL SHOWS 13 LOTS. AND AGAIN WE'RE NOT HERE, WE'RE NOT PRESENTING, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE SITE PLAN. WE'RE APPROVING A DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH WHICH YOU HAVE. SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL OR WITH THE PROPOSED LOT AND BULK STANDARDS, WE WOULD WE SHOW THAT WE COULD GET 13 LOTS AND A DETENTION BASIN. I THINK THE DETENTION BASIN IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AS IT'S NOT A HASN'T BEEN HISTORICALLY. A REQUIREMENT. SO IT'S ABOUT A 33,600 SQUARE FOOT DETENTION BASIN. THIS IS A CITY ORDINANCE TO TREAT OR OR DO SOMETHING WITH THAT STORM, THE STORM WATER BEFORE IT ENTERS THE CITY SYSTEM. AND AS I AS I MENTIONED BEFORE,

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OUR PROJECT AS PROPOSED MEETS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. A FEW THINGS WITH THIS PROPOSAL AS WELL. WE EARLY ON IN OUR PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS AND THE DRC, WE WERE ASKED TO DO A FEW THINGS, INCLUDING CONNECTING THE WATER LINE ON DUNLAP DRIVE AND MCGREGOR LANE, WHICH WE AGREED TO, AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH A FEW IDEAS OR ITERATIONS, AND THIS ONE WE FELT WAS WAS A GOOD IDEA TO CONNECT MCGREGOR LANE AND DUNLAP DRIVE. THE REASONS BEING CONNECTING THE WATER LINES, UTILITIES IMPROVES. THE SUPPLY OF THAT TO THE JUST HAVING A REDUNDANCY THERE, HAVING THE CONNECTION RATHER THAN JUST ENDING AT THE END. IT WILL HELP WITH WITH EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS. AND THEN JUST A JUST CONNECTING THOSE THOSE ROADS AS WELL. AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT. WE'LL TOUCH A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT LATER, AS IT WAS A REQUEST ALSO TO INCLUDE THE 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT. WE DID HAVE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, ONE IN DECEMBER, ONE IN NOVEMBER, AND WE HAD A FEW ITEMS. CONCERNS BROUGHT UP THEN THAT WE INCLUDED IN OUR PROPOSAL AND WHAT WE WOULD DO. ONE WAS. PESTS, RIGHT? ONCE YOU THAT LAND HAS BEEN UNDISTURBED FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S THE ONE THING I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT BEFORE THAT. SO I'M GLAD IT WAS BROUGHT UP. SO WE WILL WE WILL INCLUDE BAIT BOXES, PEST MITIGATION DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OF THE PROJECT. THERE WAS THERE WAS SOME NOISE CONCERNS, YOU KNOW THE, THE SELLERS INTERESTED IN SELLING AND HAVING THIS. SO THIS LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION ON THAT. AND HOPEFULLY IT'S US. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. SO WHAT HOW WE WHAT WE TRY TO HOW WE TRY TO DO MITIGATE THAT IS, IS WE ARE PLANNING ON INSTALLING A SIX FOOT TALL VINYL FENCE ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY HELP WITH SOME OF THAT NOISE TRANSFER. AND THEN AND THEN ANOTHER CONCERN WAS THE JUST OFF STREET PARKING DURING CONSTRUCTION. SO THIS THIS IS AN ISSUE AS THERE'S NO ALL THE ACCESS IS THROUGH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. SO. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SET IN STONE YET. BUT THERE WAS A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH A NEIGHBOR ON THERE'S A VACANT LOT AND WE NOT NOTHING WAS AGREED TO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE HAD A PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION ABOUT USING THAT FOR OFF SITE PARKING, WHAT WE WOULD NEED OFFSITE PARKING DURING THE INSTALLATION OF THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE ROAD. BUT ONCE WE HAVE THAT ROAD, WE HAVE A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH AND WE CAN CONTAIN ALL THE ALL THE ALL THE PARKING, THE CONSTRUCTION, PARKING ON SITE. AND THEN THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT CAME UP ON THE DRC AND ALSO IN ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS IS, IS THE 22 FOOT DRIVEWAY. OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT. WE ACTUALLY HAD A AND STILL SHOW A SETBACK, A FRONT SETBACK, LESS THAN THAT. BUT WE AGREED TO DO THE 22 FOOT DRIVEWAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. THERE WAS PERHAPS ONE LOT WHERE AND THIS IS WHERE THAT EXCEPTION COMES IN, IS I WASN'T SURE I CAN GET A 22 FOOT FRONT DRIVEWAY, BUT I THINK WE MITIGATED THAT AND WE'LL TOUCH ON ON THAT NEXT. SO THERE, IF WE CAN GO, IS THE SITE PLAN INCLUDED ON THIS? SO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN A FEW THINGS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT IN THE IN THAT PROPOSAL IS. SO WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO THERE'S THAT LITTLE STRIP ON THE NORTH SIDE ON THE TOP. I DON'T HAVE A NORTH ARROW HERE. WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT. WHEN THE ENGINEER FIRST CREATED THAT I WASN'T SURE WHY THEY DID THAT, BUT I FEEL WE CAN MOVE THAT UP.

THAT'S A 15 FOOT BY 450 FOOT STRIP. WE MOVED THAT UP. WE BRING THE LOTS UP, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A 22. I GOT A 22 FOOT DRIVEWAY ON ALL THE HOMES EXCEPT FOR LOT 12, AND THAT'S WHY I

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ASKED FOR THE EXCEPTION ON THAT ONE. AND WHAT WE PROPOSED WAS A 90 BY 22 FOOT CONCRETE PAD ADJACENT TO THE TO THE GARAGE. SO. IN ADDITION TO. HELPING WITH THE 22 FOOT DRIVEWAY THAT WILL ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE ABOUT IT, WAS IT 630FT■!S OF AREA INTO, I WOULD SAY, THE MAJORITY OF THE OF THE LOTS FOR LOT 4 TO 12. AND SO THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHY IDO1. WE WANTED TO GO THE IDEAL ONE ROUTE TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WITHOUT AN OVERALL INCREASE IN DENSITY OF THE SITE. AS MENTIONED BEFORE, 13 LOTS ON 2.7 ACRES IS 4.8. SO THAT'S WITHIN THE 3.1 TO 5 UNITS TO THE ACRE ALLOWED IN THE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. AND IN THE PRE-PLANNING APPLICATION. THIS AMOUNT OF LOTS IS CONSISTENT TO WHAT WAS EXPECTED FOR THE SITE AND UTILITIES. CAPACITY FOR UTILITIES. THE SITE IS TRIANGULAR. IT'S A TOUGH IT'S A COMPLICATED, TOUGH SITE. IT'S INSIDE A NEIGHBORHOOD BORDERS A CANAL ON THE WEST SIDE, THE TRAX LINE ON THE SOUTH AND EAST. IT'S JUST A JUST THE SHAPE AND A LOT OF THE, THE CONTEXT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS. AND THERE WAS A FEW OTHER METRICS WITHIN THE IDO THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MET TO JUSTIFY IT. FOR INSTANCE, ON THE IDEAL ONE, IT'S LESS THAN FIVE ACRES AND HAS BEEN IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION FOR OVER TEN YEARS. ACTUALLY, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN IN IN ITS CONFIGURATION FOR PROBABLY OVER 20 YEARS. THE SITE DOES HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES AND THEN YEAH, IT SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT THE AREA AROUND IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR SOME TIME. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME I GET, BUT AND BACK TO THE NORMALLY WITH THIS KIND OF PROPOSAL WE WOULD ASK FOR A VARIANCE ON THE ON THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE WE DO INCLUDE A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. WE WOULD EVEN IF WE SHIFT IT UP, WE WOULD STILL THE ROAD UP TO ELIMINATE THAT STRIP AT THE TOP. WE WOULD STILL INCLUDE THAT 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. YEAH. SO LIKE I SAID, WE WOULD NORMALLY TRY TO ASK FOR START OFF WITH ASKING FOR A SMALLER IMPROVEMENT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE HOMES ACCESSING THE ROAD FROM, FROM THE FROM THE NORTH SIDE. I WAS TOLD EARLY ON THAT THAT'S A NONSTARTER. SO WE MADE SURE TO INCLUDE THE 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO TALK ON HOW THAT WOULD HELP US OR HOW THAT AFFECTS THE SITE IF WE WERE, EVEN IF WE WERE ABLE TO EXCLUDE.

SO THE 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY INCLUDES 25 FOOT OF ASPHALT OR DRIVABLE SURFACE, 2.5FT CURB AND GUTTER ON BOTH SIDES. SO THAT'S FIVE FEET, A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON EACH SIDE, AND THEN A FIVE FOOT PARK STRIP SO THAT THAT ADDS UP PRETTY QUICK. IT'S CUTTING INTO THE DEVELOPABLE OR RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THIS, OF THIS PROJECT. SO WE KNEW, YOU KNOW, WE THE IMPRESSION WAS THAT THE FIVE FOOT RIGHT OF WAY IS, IS THE WHAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE ON THIS PROJECT. SO. SO THEN I WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME, SOME OTHER PREVIOUS COMMENTS THAT WERE, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS. AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE POINT. THAT IS THE POINT OF THE IDO IS THAT WE CAN'T DEVELOP IT THE SAME WAY AS, AS YOU WOULD JUST WITH THE BASE ZONING OF R1 EIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE FELT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MEETING THAT 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR SOME HELP ON, ON ON THE BULK AND STANDARD SIZE STANDARDS.

THERE WAS. WARREN, WILL YOU CHANGE THE SLIDE TO THE NEXT ONE THAT I THINK HE'S SPEAKING TO?

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NOT THAT ONE. YOU HAD IT UP THAT ONE. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE THOSE ARE THE COMPARISON SIDE BY SIDE.

WHEN I ORIGINALLY PROPOSED MADE THE APPLICATION I DID SOME NAS ON ON A FEW OF THOSE MINIMUM LOT SIZE NA. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE, THE SEPARATION BETWEEN BUILDINGS ON THE SAME LOT. AND BECAUSE I WASN'T PLANNING ON THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND NOW THAT SOMEONE WOULD BUILD OR INSTALL SOMETHING WITHIN IT. SO I KEPT THAT ONE THE SAME. SO. SO YEAH, THOSE, THOSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THAT'S WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK AS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A THAT'S A SITE PLAN. THAT IS NOT A FINAL SITE PLAN. THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT COULD CHANGE. I DID INCLUDE THE DETENTION BASIN, BUT WE STILL NEED AN ENGINEER. AN ENGINEER WILL HAVE TO SIZE IT FOR PER CITY STANDARDS. SO YEAH THESE ARE WHAT WE PROPOSE. WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE PROJECT. AND THEN JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE OF THE OF THAT STRIP OF THE NORTH, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT WOULD ADD 630FT■!S TO, TO THOSE LOTS, 4 TO 12, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT TO THE OTHER ONES, BUT I THINK THOSE WILL SEE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT. CHANGE. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I WANTED TO ADDRESS? ONE MORE. THERE WAS A PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENT ABOUT EMERGENCY SERVICE ACCESS AND POSSIBILITY FIRE SPREADING WITH WITH THE LOT, THE SIDE YARDS RECOMMENDED. BUT YOU KNOW THERE'S FIRE CODE THAT WE HAVE TO MEET FIRE CODE ADDRESSES, ATTACHED BUILDINGS, STACKED BUILDINGS, ALL SORTS OF THINGS. SO WE HAVE A SIDE YARD OF FIVE FEET. SO THAT WOULD SEPARATE THE BUILDINGS BY TEN FEET. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT IS THAT'S BEEN. FIRE CODE ALLOWS THAT IT ACTUALLY ANYTHING WITHIN TEN FEET WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE A TWO HOUR FIRE RATING. SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE PREPARED TO MEET THE BUILDING CODE STANDARDS TO, TO HAVE THE SEPARATION. WE DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH EMERGENCY FIRE SERVICE ACCESS. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE INSTALLING A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY. IT ACTUALLY MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR FIRE TO ENTER AND EXIT. I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT. SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT ONE UP. AND I KIND OF STRUGGLED BRINGING THIS ONE UP, BUT I AM NOT AWARE. I'M AWARE OF ONLY ONE SIMILAR PROJECT IN WEST JORDAN, JUST MY LIMITED RESEARCH, SEQUOYAH COTTAGES. THEY ARE SIMILAR ARE 18C, AND THEY ALSO GOT AN IDEAL ONE. SO THIS KIND OF PROJECT WE'VE SEEN IN WEST JORDAN. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. BUT I'M SURE YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. TAYLOR. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? JEFFERSON. SHOULD I SIT DOWN? YES, PLEASE.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL AND CHAIR. SO JUST REAL QUICK ON THE IN THE OVERLAY ZONE. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR PROPERTIES LIKE THIS WHICH ARE UNDER FIVE ACRES IN SIZE. HAVEN'T DEVELOPED IN 15 PLUS YEARS OF EVERYTHING AROUND THEM DEVELOPING. AND THAT'S THE CASE FOR THIS ONE. IT DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO INCREASE THE DENSITY. THIS IS COMING IN AT THE SAME DENSITY AS IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN R1 EIGHT. IF THIS WAS A RECTANGULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT WOULD HAVE DEVELOPED 25 YEARS AGO. BUT IT'S WEIRD TRIANGLE. THAT'S WHY IT HASN'T WITHIN THE. THE ONE THING THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM MOST OF OUR ZONES IS BECAUSE IT ANTICIPATES THE PROPERTIES BEING DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP. IT ASKS FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO PROPOSE THEIR OWN AND LAW STANDARDS. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE.

THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONE TO PROPOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. AND IT'S UP TO YOU AS A COUNCIL TO DETERMINE IF YOU THINK THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE OR NOT. WE AS STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION. IRONICALLY ENOUGH, THE DRC RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN MEMBERS OF THE DOCTOR WHO ARE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION THEN CHANGED THEIR VOTE AND VOTED AGAINST THAT PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING. BUT WITH THAT, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS, AND I'LL SIT DOWN. UNLESS YOU

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HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISTER TAYLOR? I DON'T SEE ANY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS REZONE. NO, FOR THIS OVERLAY ZONE. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP. I HAVE ONE.

YEAH. THAT IS FOR THIS. MR. MATT CHIN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP. AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MATT CHIN. I'M A LONG TERM RESIDENT OF WEST JORDAN, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE REZONE TO ADD THE INFILL DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY ZONE TO OUR FAMILY'S 2.7 ACRE PARCEL. THIS LAND WAS PURCHASED BY MY PARENTS OVER 40 YEARS AGO. MY DAD, A HARD WORKING MASON CONTRACTOR, USES PROPERTY FOR DECADES TO STORE MATERIALS AND HIS EQUIPMENT, WHICH PROVIDED FOR OUR FAMILY. SADLY, BOTH OF MY PARENTS PASSED AWAY RECENTLY AND THEIR CHILDREN, MY SIBLINGS AND I ARE DOING OUR BEST TO HONOR THE LEGACY AND VALUES THEY INSTILLED IN US. ONE OF THEIR LONG STANDING HOPES WAS THAT THIS PROPERTY COULD SOMEDAY BE USED IN A WAY THAT WOULD HELP PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR SOME OF THEIR 25 GRANDCHILDREN. NOT ONLY IS THAT GOAL MORE RELEVANT THAN EVER IN TODAY'S HOUSING CLIMATE, BUT IT ALSO DEEPLY IS ALSO A DEEPLY PERSONAL MISSION FOR OUR FAMILY.

CURRENTLY, THE LAND HAS BECOME A CHALLENGE TO WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH TRANSIENT SQUATTERS, DRUG ACTIVITY AND THE ONGOING BURDEN OF MAINTAINING TREES WEEDS. AND ALSO THIS AND ALSO SOME SAFETY CONCERNS. THIS VACANT PROPERTY AS IT SITS TODAY ISN'T HELPING ANYONE. IT'S BECOMING MORE OF A LIABILITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN AN ASSET. WE BELIEVE THIS REZONING AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH GARBETT HOMES IS A REAL SOLUTION. GARBETT HAS A STRONG REPUTATION FOR BUILDING HIGH QUALITY, THOUGHTFUL, THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED COMMUNITIES. WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THEY WOULD CREATE SOMETHING THAT KNOW THAT NOT ONLY MEETS OUR FAMILY'S WISHES, BUT ALSO BRINGS VALUE, LASTING VALUE, AND LIVABILITY TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. ADDING ADDING HOUSING, DIVERSITY, VISUAL APPEAL, AND NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN HELPING US TURN THIS AND TURN THIS LAND INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE, SOMETHING THAT MEETS A REAL NEED FOR ATTAINABLE HOUSING, WHILE HONORING THE HOPES AND WISHES OF OUR PARENTS AND FAMILY THAT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS CITY FOR DECADES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS? MR. HALLMARK? ARE THERE ANY ONLINE? THERE ARE THREE INDIVIDUALS ONLINE, NONE OF WHICH HAVE REQUESTED TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO SAY THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME, THIS TIME WHEN I'VE BEEN A DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE AND AT LARGE, WHEN I'VE HEARD THE NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY SAY, WE WANT THIS TO HAPPEN IN OUR BACKYARD, SO THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD THING. SO I'M HAPPY FOR THAT. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD WHEN YOUR NEIGHBORS WANT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WANT TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE IT BETTER. AND LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECOME KIND OF A TRANSIENT ISSUE. AND IT'S RIGHT THERE BY THE TRACK STATION. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK, AND I DON'T THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE TONIGHT, IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF HOMES BUILT NEAR THE TRACK STATIONS RECENTLY, BUT I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS PEOPLE ARE BUYING THESE HOMES THAT THEY ACTUALLY REALIZE YOU'RE BUYING A HOME NEXT TO A TRACK STATION AND A TRAIN AND YOU WILL HEAR NOISE. I'M NOT SURE HOW BAD THE NOISE IS AT NIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'VE KIND OF SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT. BUT JUST IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT GARBETT HOMES ARE WITH OUR CITY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THESE PEOPLE MOVE IN, JUST SAY, HEY, WE'RE JUST WE KNOW YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT THERE IS A TRAX LINE RIGHT BEHIND YOU, AND THEY GO BY ALL THE TIME. SO IF WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE SURE THE NEW PEOPLE BUYING ARE AWARE THAT THERE'S A TRAIN TRACK BEHIND THEIR HOME. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN. IF YOU REMEMBER THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT OR IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT. I REMEMBER WHEN MR. MAURER CALLED ME AND I TOLD HIM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET MY SUPPORT. ISN'T THAT ABOUT WHAT I TOLD YOU? IT WAS PROBABLY SHORTER THAN THAT. IT WAS PROBABLY. YEAH. AND WE WERE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH TO USE THE IDO. AND IN FACT, SEQUOIA VILLAGE WAS THE MODEL FOR USING THE IDEA. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT

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FAMILIAR WITH SEQUOIA VILLAGE, DRIVE DOWN REDWOOD ROAD AND YOU'LL SEE IT THERE. IT'S A NICE LITTLE LIBRARY DEVELOPMENT THERE JUST ON THE EAST SIDE OF REDWOOD ROAD. SO I LIKE THE AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, AND THE 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, IT CONNECTS TO CITY STREETS, THIS WILL CONNECT THE STREETS. IT'LL ACTUALLY PROVIDE SOME GOOD ACCESS FOR THE FOR EVERYBODY TO DRIVE AROUND THE CIRCLE AND CONNECT CONNECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK THAT THE WAY THE LAYOUT IS RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE CONNECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF WE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY, I THINK WHAT WE'D HAVE IS WE'D HAVE THIS OWN LITTLE POD, ITS OWN LITTLE WORLD, AND DOESN'T HELP BUILD COMMUNITIES. BUT I THINK THE WAY THIS ONE IS LAID OUT NOW, IT WILL ALLOW THE NEW COMMUNITY AND THE NEW 13 HOMES TO INTERACT WITH EVERYBODY ON DUNLOP AND MCGREGOR. I COULDN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE STREET NAME DUNLOP AND MCGREGOR. AND WE DID MEET WITH THE. WE DID MEET WITH THE THREE OF US ON THE COUNCIL HAD A TOWN HALL. WE DID MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. WE HEARD THEIR CONCERNS. I THINK MOST OF THEM THAT BEEN BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND SO I THINK WE'RE AT A GOOD PLACE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. VICE CHAIR BADER, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, AS WELL AS WHAT COUNCILMEMBER GREEN WAS SAYING ABOUT WE HAD A TOWN HALL ACTUALLY, BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 24 WAS WHEN MR. MOORE FIRST CAME TO ME WITH THIS WEIRD DESIGN, AND I WAS LIKE, I'M I THINK YOU WE OUGHT TO TALK TO CITIZENS IN THAT AREA FIRST BEFORE WE EVEN START GOING DOWN THIS ROAD. WE HAD A ZOOM MEETING, I THINK, IN DECEMBER, AND SOME CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT UP THEN FROM PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, JUST THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE THE SITE. BUT THEN AND I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. MOORE DID IN MAKING SURE THEY ADDRESSED THOSE SO THAT WE MET AGAIN WITH THE THREE OF US, WITH COUNCILMEMBER GREEN AND CHAIR WHITELOCK, WITH THE RESIDENTS THERE, THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE THE VISION. AND YEAH, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING, AN AREA THAT ISN'T SERVING OUR CITY WELL AT ALL NOW, BUT CAN DO SOMETHING. AND I APPRECIATE THE CHEN FAMILY AND THEIR WANTING TO SEE SOMETHING DONE WITH THIS AS WELL. SO THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON. I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS. THE MENTION OF GETTING RID OF THE STRIP RIGHT NEXT TO THE NORTH NORTH BORDER OF THIS PROPERTY. I WORRY ABOUT IT MAKING THE TURN INTO THE PROPERTY TOO SHARP, ESPECIALLY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS. TAYLOR, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, I THINK DEFINITELY. COUNCILMEMBER, SOMETHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT AND WE'LL LOOK AT WHEN THAT COMES UP. IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, THOUGH, THAT WE HAVE A FIVE FOOT PARK STRIP, FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK AND 2.5FT OF CURB AND GUTTER. SO THERE'S REALLY GOING TO BE ABOUT 12.5, 13FT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE TO THE TRAFFIC LANE. WE HAVE LOTS OF CORNERS IN THE CITY WHERE YOU HAVE PROPERTY LINES RIGHT UP TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO I BELIEVE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE IT WORK. OKAY. IT MIGHT REQUIRE SLIGHT BULB OUTS, MAYBE AT THE CORNERS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ENGINEERING CAN WORK THROUGH. THANK YOU. ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS JUST THE FIVE ONE VOTE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I TAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS SERIOUSLY, AND I, I. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YES I CAN SO THE REASONS GIVEN IN THE MOTION FOR THE NO VOTE WAS ONE WAS HEALTH SAFETY CONCERNS, WHICH WHEN I LOOK AT IT BETTER CONNECTS FOR UTILITIES OR BETTER CONNECT FOR FIRE SERVICE FOR SNOWPLOWS. WE HAVE PLENTY OF DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY WITH TEN FEET IN BETWEEN BUILDINGS, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE. WHAT THE HEALTH SAFETY CONCERN IS. THERE WASN'T SPECIFIED WHAT OTHER THAN THE SETBACKS WERE TOO SMALL, BUT THESE ARE SETBACKS THAT AREN'T UNCOMMON IN THE CITY. AND THE OTHER WAS THAT THE LOT SIZES AREN'T APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THEY'RE 3000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUMS NEXT TO SOME 8000 SQUARE FOOT. THAT IS THE OPINION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THE CITY COUNCIL CAN HAVE THEIR OPINION ON IF THEY THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING QUANTIFIED THAT A 3000 SQUARE FOOT LOT CAN'T BE NEXT TO AN 8000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN, ONE LAST COMMENT. YOU TALK ABOUT BULB OUTS BEING THERE, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THEY WOULD BE THERE. I THINK THAT'S A I THINK THAT'S A PERFECT MOVE. YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK ABOUT LONG TERM PLANNING IN THIS CITY, THOSE KIND OF TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES ARE WHAT NEED TO BE PUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD

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WHEN WE BUILD IT AND NOT WAIT FOR IT AND NOT WAIT FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEN HEAR THE, OH, SOMEBODY SPEEDING DOWN MY STREE. AND WE NEED TO PUT A WE NEED TO PUT A TRAFFIC, A TRAFFIC BUMP OR A TRAFFIC TABLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NONE OF US LIKE ANYWAY. SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT I WOULD EXPECT IT IN THE DESIGN THAT THERE ARE SOME BULB OUTS, AND I THINK THAT WILL HELP EVERYTHING. BUT I THINK THE 50 FOOT ROAD WITH THE STANDARD, WITH THE STANDARD, WITH BUILT TO CITY STANDARDS, IS GOING TO BE ACCURATE OR ACCEPTABLE FOR FIRE, POLICE AND SNOWPLOW RESPONSE.

THANK YOU. I WILL ADD THAT AT THAT MEETING, THE MAIN CONCERN OF THOSE RESIDENTS WAS TRAFFIC AND SPEEDING, NOT NECESSARILY ON THOSE STREETS, BUT SO I AGREE, ANY CALMING METHODS THAT WE CAN ADD INTO THAT PLAN WOULD NOT BE A BAD IDEA. VICE CHAIR BADER YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO POINT OUT AS WELL THAT I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THAT MEETING, AND CERTAINLY SOME PLANNING WOULD DO ABOUT MAKING THAT CIRCLE KIND OF THING, NOT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TRY TO DRIVE PAST THROUGH. I'D ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT FOR COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON THAT WE DID ADDRESS THE LOT SIZE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ALL LIVED IN THAT AREA, AND THEY HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH IT AT ALL. THAT THAT WAS NOT ANYTHING THAT THEY HAD A CONCERN WITH. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN, IF THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 25.

DASH 30. IS IT REALLY A REZONE? WE'RE NOT REALLY. IS IT REALLY A REZONE? WE'RE ADDING AN OVERLAY.

I WAS GOING TO SAY I WANT TO MODIFY THE WORDING OF THAT. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 25, DASH 30. ADDING THE INFILL OVERLAY ZONE TO THE PARCEL IN LUMINA, LOCATED AT EIGHT 399 SOUTH DUNLOP DRIVE. COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM. DOES THAT WORK FOR THE MOTION? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I SECOND IT. OKAY. YES, I SECOND THAT I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM. ANY DISCUSSION TO THE MOTION? I WILL JUST STATE I ALWAYS APPRECIATE IT WHEN DEVELOPERS ARE WILLING TO COME TO TOWN HALLS THAT THE COUNCIL SPONSORS AND BE THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THIS QUICK A VOTE PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB YES.

VICE CHAIR BADOR. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. GREEN. YES. CHAIR. WHITELOCK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BLOOM. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHELTON. YES. THANK YOU. I SHOW THE MOTION PASSES 6 TO 0. THANK

[c. Ordinance No. 25-32 a Rezone of 0.865 acres to C-G Zone (General Commercial) at 1394 West and 1378 West 7800 South for Sprinkler Supply Hardscape Expansion]

YOU. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 25, DASH 32, A REZONE OF 0.865 ACRES TO C G ZONE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AT 1394 WEST 1378 AND 1378 WEST 7800 SOUTH FOR SPRINKLER SUPPLY.

HARDSCAPE EXPANSION. I HAVE A MIC RIGHT CANNING. GO AHEAD AND COME PRESENT. AND THEN FOR THE PLANNER I HAVE MR. FORSYTH. OKAY. WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. CANNING FIRST. GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR SPENDING SOME TIME WITH ME. THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. WE'RE LOOKING FOR REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL, WHICH WE FEEL GOES VERY WELL WITH THE ZONING IN THIS AREA, ON THIS, ON THIS SITE, ALL WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING FOR EXPANSION OF STORAGE FOR OUR EXISTING FACILITY, WHICH YOU SEE ON THE LEFT THERE. SO ON THE SITE, REALLY WE'RE ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS ASPHALT, SOME LANDSCAPING FENCE, SOME UNDERGROUND WATER STORAGE ON THAT. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN IMPROVE THE AREA A LITTLE BIT. THERE'S TWO HOUSES THAT HAVE TO COME DOWN, WHICH PROBABLY WOULDN'T HURT ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS OVER THERE. SO YEAH, IT'S PRETTY IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR BUILDING ANYTHING STRUCTURE WISE, JUST MOSTLY MAKING THIS DEVELOPMENT AND EXPANSION. IT WILL ACTUALLY HELP. WE UNDERESTIMATED THE LONGEVITY OF OUR OUR STORE. WHEN WE PUT THAT UP INITIALLY WE THOUGHT WE'D GET, YOU KNOW, TEN PLUS YEARS OUT OF THAT. WE DIDN'T BASED ON OUR TRAFFIC PATTERNS. THIS WILL ACTUALLY HELP THE TRAFFIC ON 78TH. UNFORTUNATELY, RIGHT NOW WE DO

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HAVE TRAFFIC THAT BACKS UP INTO 78TH, WHICH IS NOT GOOD. AND THIS WOULD HELP US BRING ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC INTO OUR LOT TO HELP CUSTOMERS, THE SAFETY OF CUSTOMERS. AND ON 78TH, NOT HAVING BIG TRUCKS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WAITING TO GET IN THERE. SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP THE TRAFFIC ON 78TH, HAVING AN INLET AND AN OUTLET SEPARATELY, SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF ALL THE BUSINESS INSIDE THE LOT AND NOT ON 78TH, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE I SAID, WE DIDN'T ESTIMATE OUR BUSINESS WOULD GROW AS FAST AS IT DID IN THIS AREA. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT I GUESS IT'S A GOOD THING AT THE SAME TIME. SO SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PROBLEM.

ANYTHING ELSE SIR? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? ONE QUESTION. THE LITTLE PROPERTY TO THE WEST THAT'S IN BETWEEN YOUR REGULAR BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY. YEAH. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT? SO WE'VE TALKED TO THE OWNER A LOT OF TIMES. WE'VE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED EVERYTHING IN THIS AREA THAT WE'RE ADJACENT TO OR CLOSE TO, EVEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE. WE'VE TALKED TO ALL THE OWNERS SPECIFICALLY THAT PIECE IN THE MIDDLE AFTER AFTER WE AFTER HE FOUND OUT, WE ACQUIRED SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTY APPROACHED US. IT'S ABOUT IT'S NOT EVEN A QUARTER OF AN ACRE. HE APPROACHED US. IF WE'D WRITE HIM A CHECK FOR $1 MILLION, HE WOULD BE HAPPY TO LEAVE. SO AT THIS POINT. HE WANTS, YOU KNOW, HE'S TRYING TO EXTORT MONEY OUT OF A COMPANY NOW. AND AT THAT POINT, THE OWNER'S OFF. SO UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS ON THAT, I MEAN, WE APPROACHED WE'VE WE'VE TALKED TO HIM FOR YEARS AND YEARS, AND NOW IT'S JUST TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, HE THINKS THERE'S GIANT AMOUNTS OF MONEY IN COMPANIES. AND THAT'S I MEAN, IT'S ONLINE. YOU CAN LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE IT'S LISTED RIGHT NOW FOR $1 MILLION FOR FIVE LITTLE UNITS THAT ARE LIKE LESS THAN 800FT■!S EACH. AND SOI THINK HE'S JUST LOOKING FOR A WINDFALL. SO WE'D LOVE TO BUY IT AT A REASONABLE PRICE. SO OKAY.

THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU MAY HAVE A SEAT. AND MR. FORSYTH, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO ADD? WELL, NOT A WHOLE LOT. SO I'LL TRY AND BE BRIEF, BUT YEAH.

SO THE TWO PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN ARE CURRENTLY ZONED R-2, WHICH IS A TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. THE TWO HOMES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY THERE WERE BUILT BACK IN THE 19 LATE 1940S. SO YEAH, THERE'S REALLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE CITY ORDINANCES AND SOME THINGS, THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THE LANDLOCKED SITUATION, THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE.

SO KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO KIND OF BRIDGE THAT GAP AND REZONE THAT TO COMMERCIAL SIMILAR TO WHAT'S AROUND IT. SO WITH THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THAT ZONING MAP WILL PLAY OUT, IF APPROVED, IS TO REZONE THOSE TWO PROPERTIES TO CG ZONE, WHICH IS A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONE. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CALLS FOR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL THERE, WHICH EITHER AN SC2 OR A CG ZONE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR. CG ZONE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE DUE TO THE ACREAGE, BUT SO WE FEEL THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. AND REALLY IT'S JUST KIND OF TO AGAIN BRIDGE THAT, THAT THAT AREA BETWEEN THE CG AND THE CCF ZONE, WHICH IS A CITY CENTER FRAME. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE. COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON, DO YOU THINK THIS COULD HAVE ANY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE. STATION AREA PLAN FOR. FOR THE CITY CENTER STATION AREA PLAN? YEAH. SO THE STATION, THE STATION AREA PLAN, PRETTY MUCH THE MAIN FOCUS OF THAT WAS ON DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA ACROSS THE STREET. AS FAR AS THIS PROPERTY'S CONCERNED, THERE REALLY ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF MENTION ABOUT IT. THE MOST, MOST IT HAS IS THERE'S AN EXHIBIT IN THAT PLAN SHOWING A FUTURE LAND USE OR A POTENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP, CALLING FOR THIS AREA AS A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. BUT BEYOND THAT, THERE'S NO INCLUSION IN THE PHASING PLAN OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S REALLY VERY VAGUE AND KIND

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OF UP IN THE AIR. WELL, AND I'LL ADD THAT STATIONARY PLAN AS A MIXED USE PLAN. SO HAVING SOME BUSINESS IN IT IS PART OF THE PLAN. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME TO THE MIC. GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YES. MY NAME IS VICTORIA TUCKER. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF WEST JORDAN SINCE 2006, AND I AM MY NEIGHBOR WHO IS ALSO HERE. BUT DIRECTLY TO THAT PROPERTY, I AM TO THE NORTH AND HE IS TO THE EAST. WE'RE THRILLED ABOUT HAVING IT DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE. AND SPRINKLER SUPPLY HAS BEEN A GREAT NEIGHBOR SO FAR. BUT THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE AS NEIGHBORS IS THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LIGHT POLLUTION FROM THEIR EXISTING BUILDING. IT'S A THREE STORY, AT LEAST HIGH BUILDING WITH MASSIVE NIGHT LIGHTS ON THE TOP PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING. WHEN THOSE LIGHTS WENT ON ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS COMPLETE, OUR BEDROOMS LIT UP LIKE SOMEBODY HAD A SPOTLIGHT. THE CONCERN IS THERE'S NO SHIELDING, AND THE NOISE FROM THE ACTUAL BUSINESS IS NOT BAD RIGHT NOW. BUT WE DO HAVE CONCERNS OF BRINGING ALL THAT TRAFFIC OFF OF 78 INTO THAT PROPERTY. AND NOW THEY'RE DRIVING PAST OUR FENCE LINES IN A CIRCLE BACK OUT TO 78. THAT'S A CONCERN. HOW MANY MORE LIGHTS ARE GOING TO BE GOING IN TO LIGHT UP THE PARKING LOT, LIGHT UP ALL THAT ASPHALT? I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOING TO BE LANDSCAPING BETWEEN OUR FENCE LINE AND WHATEVER ASPHALT IS THERE, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO REPLACE OUR FENCES? DO THEY BUTT UP A NEW FENCE AGAINST OUR FENCE? WE HAVE OR I HAVE A SIX FOOT VINYL FENCE WHICH I HAVE PUT LATTICE ON, AND GROWN VINES THAT ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT FENCE. SO, YOU KNOW, ARE IS MY LANDSCAPING GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS? THERE'S CONCERNS WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY BACK UP TO THIS. BOTH MY NEIGHBORS ARE, YOU KNOW, TWO LEVEL HOMES. THEIR HOMES ARE ACTUALLY OR THEIR BEDROOMS ARE ON THEIR SECOND LEVEL. THEIR BEDROOMS ALSO LIGHT UP. I'VE HAD COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR. THEY JUST RECENTLY MOVED, BUT THAT HOME IS FOR RENT. SO THERE ARE SOME IMPACTS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. VERY WELL, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS? MR. HALLMARK? IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE? THERE ARE THREE INDIVIDUALS ONLINE, NONE OF WHICH HAVE INDICATED A DESIRE TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. MR. FORCE, I. YEAH, I CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS. SO ABOUT THE LIGHT POLLUTION, AS FAR AS THE VEHICLES GO, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO HEADLIGHTS OR, OR VEHICLES MOVING IN AND OUT. BUT AS FAR AS PERMANENT LIGHT FIXTURES GO, PARKING LOT LIGHTING, WALL LIGHTING, WE DO REVIEW THOSE DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. WE REVIEW A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT LIGHT LEVELS ARE MEETING THE CITY STANDARDS AND CITY ORDINANCES. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. THE WALLS ALONG THE PERIMETER, SINCE THIS IS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS BACKING ONTO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CITY ORDINANCES DO REQUIRE A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH TREES AND SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL ALL ALONG THERE. SO RIGHT NOW, THEIR CURRENT SITE SHOULD SHOW THAT SHOULD HAVE A WALL THERE RIGHT NOW. SO I'D IMAGINE THEY WOULD JUST CONTINUE THAT ALL THE WAY ALONG THE BOUNDARIES. SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THERE THEN. THEY'RE GOING TO PUT UP WHAT THEY HAVE TO PUT UP. BUT CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION WILL THEY BE TAKING HER FENCE DOWN OR WILL THEY PUT IT ADJACENT TO. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS

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THAT IN A MINUTE. OKAY. REALLY WE COULD. OUR ORDINANCES DON'T REALLY REQUIRE ONE OR THE OTHER, SO IT REALLY COULD GO EITHER WAY. OKAY. I JUST WOULD HATE FOR US TO BE DEMOLISHING A HOMEOWNER'S FENCE AND WHAT THEY'VE GOT PLANTED THERE TO MEET OUR CODE. AND THE OTHER THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I HEARD FROM MRS. TUCKER WAS CONCERNED NOT NOT ABOUT THEM BEING A NEIGHBOR AND NOT I DON'T THINK IT'S THE CAR LIGHTS THAT SHE'S CONCERNED ABOUT. I THINK IT'S THE EXISTING BUILDING LIGHTS. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WAS BUILT CLEARLY. THEY JUST BARELY BUILT IT. SO OF COURSE WE APPROVED IT AND TOLD THEM WHAT KIND OF LIGHTING THEY HAD TO HAVE. BUT WHAT I WOULD ASK OF STAFF IS, LET'S LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, IF I LIVE THERE, WHAT WOULD I WANT? AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE OR SOMETHING, LET'S FIND A WAY THAT THEY CONTINUE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND HELP WITH LIGHT POLLUTION, BECAUSE IT IS HARD TO SLEEP WHEN IT'S LIGHT OUTSIDE. YOU KNOW 5:00 COMES EARLY WITH THAT SUN. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GREENE. I CAN PROBABLY HELP ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS. I MAY BE SPEAKING FOR SPRINKLER SUPPLY COMPANY, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NIMBY, THAT'S NOT ME. THIS IS MY BACKYARD SPRINKLER SUPPLY. SPRINKLER SUPPLY COMPANIES CURRENT BUILDING IS MY BACKYARD. SO THIS EXPANSION STARTS AT THE CORNER OF MY BACKYARD AND GOES EAST. SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH SPRINKLER SUPPLY COMPANY. THEY'VE BEEN A VERY GOOD NEIGHBOR TO ADDRESS THE WALL ISSUE, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO PUT IN AN EIGHT FOOT WALL BECAUSE AM I RIGHT? YOU'RE CORRECT. BECAUSE IN MY BACKYARD, DUE TO THE ELEVATION CHANGE BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY AND MINE, I ENDED UP WITH A NINE FOOT WALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MY PROPERTY. AND THEY BUILT IT. THEY ACTUALLY BUILT THE FENCE JUST INSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE. AND SO I ACTUALLY HAVE A GAP BETWEEN MY CHAIN LINK FENCE AND THEIR, THEIR CEMENT FENCE. AND THE REASON THE GAP STILL EXISTS IS BECAUSE I'M TOO LAZY TO RIP OUT MY CHAIN LINK FENCE AND USE THE EXTRA SIX INCHES THAT THEY GAVE ME TO THEIR WALL. SO YES, THAT THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY BUILD THE STANDARD THEY'RE GOING TO THERE. YOU HEARD HIM. THEY'LL PROBABLY BUILD THAT. AND IN MY BACKYARD IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT WALL. THEY HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD NEIGHBORS, AT LEAST FOR ME WHERE I'M AT, I HAVE I'VE HAD NO PROBLEMS. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CLEANING UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GETTING RID OF THOSE COUPLE OF HOUSES. AND LIKE I SAID, SOMEDAY WE'LL GET. SOMEDAY WE'LL GET LUCKY AND WE'LL GET THE LITTLE 4 OR 5 APARTMENT COMPLEX DOWN IN AND FIXED AS WELL. YOU COULD DO THAT FOR A MERE MILLION DOLLARS, I HEAR. YEAH. THAT PIECE, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WORTH $1 MILLION IN, IN, IN ANY PLANET.

BUT YES, SPRINKLER SUPPLY WILL WORK WITH THIS. THEY THEY'VE LIKE I SAID, BASED ON THE ELEVATION, THEY CAME IN AND PUT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AND BY THE TIME THEY WERE DONE, I'VE GOT LIKE I SAID, I GOT A NINE FOOT FENCE ON MY ON MY SOUTH WALL AND IT MAKES A IT, IT MAKES A GREAT SHADE AREA FOR THE PLAY AREA FOR THE KIDS. SO THANK YOU. THE YOU KNOW, AND SO NO, I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS APPROVING THIS. THIS WILL BE AN OVERALL BETTERMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BETTERMENT TO THE CITY. AND AS AS YOU HEARD, THEIR BUSINESS IS EXPANDED. I WOULD HAVE NEVER FIGURED, YOU KNOW, AND I, I CAN LOOK OUT MY BACKYARD AND I CAN SEE SOME OF THE PALLETS STACKED UP. I WOULD HAVE NEVER FIGURED THAT THEY'D GO THROUGH THAT MUCH ROCK AND STONE THAT THEY GO THROUGH. BUT THEY, THEY, THEY'RE DOING THEY'RE DOING A GOOD BUSINESS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT IN WEST JORDAN. SO I HAVE NO PROBLEMS APPROVING THIS, BUT I HOPE THAT ANSWERS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO TREAT THE SITE. THEY'LL PUT THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE IN THE 20 FOOT BUFFER. AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I HAD TREES IN MY BACKYARD THAT THEY'RE WATERING AND TAKING CARE OF. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE PLUS TWO. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE IS NO ONE ELSE TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR EITHER DEBATE OR EMOTION. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN, HOW ABOUT

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I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 25, DASH 3032, A REZONE OF 0.865 ACRES TO CG ZONE COMMERCIAL AT 1394 WEST AND 1378 WEST 7800 SOUTH FOR SPRINKLER SUPPLY, HARDSCAPE EXPANSION.

COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON I SECOND THAT MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN. A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON. MISS. QUICK, A VOTE, PLEASE. CHAIR WHITELOCK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BLOOM. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHELTON. YES. VICE CHAIR. BADOR. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. GREEN. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. LAMB. YES. THANK YOU. I SHOW THE MOTION PASSES 6 TO 0. THANK YOU. THE NEXT PUBLIC

[d. Ordinance No. 25-31 Amending Land Use Tables in Chapter 13 to Remove “Massage Therapy” as a Permitted or Conditional Use]

HEARING ON OUR AGENDA IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 25. DASH 31, AMENDING THE LAND USE TABLE IN CHAPTER 31 TO REMOVE MASSAGE THERAPY AS A PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL USE, MR. GARDNER.

THANK YOU. COUNSEL. CURRENTLY, MASSAGE THERAPY BUSINESSES ARE ALLOWED IN. I WOULD SAY ALL ZONES IN WEST JORDAN CITY. THEY HAVE BECOME AN ISSUE IN MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL STRIP MALL AREAS OF THE SC ONE, SC TWO ZONE. THERE'S BEEN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE IN THESE MASSAGE PARLORS, MASSAGE THERAPY BUSINESSES. EXCUSE ME. AND IT HAS BEEN A DRAIN ON POLICE SERVICES AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND MANY TIMES THEY WILL GET THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE REVOKED JUST TO OPEN UP A FEW DAYS LATER IN THE SAME LOCATION UNDER A NEW NAME. AT THAT TIME, AND CREATING THE SAME PROBLEM OVER AGAIN. MANY OF THESE ARE IN RETAIL AREAS WHERE FAMILIES, CHILDREN, AND THE GOOD RESIDENTS OF WEST JORDAN COMMONLY VISIT. AND SO THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU WILL REMOVE MASSAGE THERAPY AS A PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL USE FROM THE SC ONE, SC TWO COMMERCIAL GENERAL COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING ZONES, ALL MANUFACTURING ZONES, THAT'S M1, M2 AND MP. AND FROM THE PLANNED COMMUNITY ZONE AND THE CITY CENTER ZONES. MASSAGE THERAPY REMAINED A PERMITTED USE IN THE REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS JORDAN LANDING. CURRENTLY, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE ZONES. BUSINESSES. RESEARCH PARK, RESEARCH PARK ZONE AND AS HOME OCCUPATIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION ABOUT REMOVING CERTAIN ZONES. THE MASSAGE THERAPIST THAT I UTILIZE ACTUALLY COMES TO MY HOME, AND I WILL CONTINUE HAVING HER COME TO MY HOME, AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. OH WELL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LIMITING ACTUAL MASSAGE THERAPISTS TO DO HAVE STUFF OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S A HOME OCCUPATION, AND I WILL ADD THAT THIS MOVEMENT FROM THE LAND USE TABLE WILL NOT SHUT DOWN ANY BUSINESS THAT WOULD BECOME A LEGAL, NONCONFORMING USE AS LONG AS THEY COMPLY WITH THE LAWS OF WESTERN CITY, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO FUNCTION. I JUST DON'T WANT TO LIMIT THE LAWS IN WEST JORDAN CITY TO LIMIT MASSAGE THERAPIST. THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN. YEAH.

YES. WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THE C-2 ZONE. IT WOULD THAT CURRENTLY THAT WOULD INCLUDE MASSAGE ENVY DOWN ON BECAUSE THAT'S A ISN'T THAT AN SC2 BY BOSA. NO. DOWN BY YES. GRACE COMPANY. YES. SO. I'LL WAIT TILL AFTER THE HEARING FOR THAT. THAT THAT'S ONE QUESTION. SO AND YOU MENTIONED WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM SAYS, WELL IF A MASSAGE THERAPIST COMES TO MY HOUSE, YOU SAY THAT'S A HOME OCCUPATION. I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE DEFINITION. THE HOME OCCUPATION IS NORMALLY RUNNING THE BUSINESS OUT OF YOUR HOUSE, HAVING SOMEBODY VISIT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, THEY MIGHT HAVE A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS AREA, A BUSINESS LICENSE SOMEPLACE ELSE. THEY MAY NOT BE A HOME OCCUPATION. I DON'T SEE HOW THIS

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ORDINANCE ORDINANCE WOULD AFFECT THAT AT ALL. HOW, FIRST OF ALL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO EVEN. YEAH, POLICE THAT TYPE OF THING. YEAH. OKAY. I'M JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS. I, I'M NOT SURE THAT I WOULD WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S A HOME OCCUPATION. IT MAY BE SOMEBODY COMING TO MY HOUSE TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'D WANT TO CALL THAT A HOME OCCUPATION. YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT MEETS THE DEFINITION. I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS TILL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM, THEN. ARE YOU GOING TO WAIT? I WILL, I ALSO WILL WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC. I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE, MR. GARDNER? NO. OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC, PLEASE PACE YOURSELVES. COME UP SLOWLY. IF YOU'RE ONLINE, LET ME KNOW. ANYONE ONLINE, MR. HALLMARK STILL THREE INDIVIDUALS ONLINE, BUT NONE HAVE RAISED HAND. OKAY, SEEING NO ONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION OR EMOTION. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MR. GARDNER BEFORE I IN IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, THAT'S GOING TO GO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS, WE DEFINE MASSAGE THERAPY. MY QUESTION IS HOW DOES THAT AFFECT HOW DOES THIS ORDINANCE AFFECT THE MASSAGE, THE MASSAGE THERAPIST THAT WORK OUT OF A CHIROPRACTORS OFFICE? THAT QUESTION CAME UP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT WOULD NOT AFFECT THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A CHIROPRACTIC OFFICE THAT IS NOT A STANDALONE MASSAGE THERAPY BUSINESS. OKAY, I THINK WE'RE ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HAVE HAS THERE BEEN ANY OUTREACH TO THE LEGITIMATE MASSAGE BUSINESSES WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE? HAS THERE BEEN ONE? HAS THERE BEEN OUTREACH TO THE MASSAGE THERAPY BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE? NO, BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH, I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, HAVE THEY BEEN NOTIFIED? THEY PROBABLY HAVE NO IDEA THIS IS EVEN HAPPENING. HAS OH, GOODNESS. YOU ANSWERED MY OTHER QUESTION ABOUT SPAS AND SALONS. WILL NON-CONFORMING BUSINESSES BE PUBLICLY LISTED OR NOTIFIED? HOW'S HOW'S THE COMMUNICATION GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE FORCED TO MOVE? WE NORMALLY DO NOT NOTIFY NON-CONFORMING USES. THEY, HOWEVER, CAN BE LICENSED AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY BEING LICENSED. SO I'VE NEVER PRACTICED NOTIFYING NON-CONFORMING BUSINESSES I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POINT OF THAT WOULD BE. WELL, WHAT STOPS A BAD ACTOR FROM SIMPLY SHIFTING INTO A ZONE? STILL PERMITTING MASSAGE THERAPY? NOTHING.

EXACTLY. OKAY, I WILL BE AGAINST THIS. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN. I'M NOT SURE I'M AGAINST IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'M FOR IT. LET ME TELL YOU MY RATIONALE. ONE I THINK WE'RE DRAWN SOME VERY GRAY LINES HERE WHEN WE SAY, WELL, IF THEY'RE WORKING OUT OF A CHIROPRACTORS OFFICE, THEN THAT'S NOT MASSAGE. BUT A LOT OF THE CHIROPRACTOR CHIROPRACTOR OFFICES AND THOSE ADVERTISE THAT THEY DO MASSAGE. SO, YOU KNOW, ARE WE OR HOW HOW FAR ARE WE PUSHING THE LINE? MY BIGGER CONCERN IS SPECIFICALLY THE I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM ELIMINATING MASSAGE THERAPISTS OUT OF THE MANUFACTURING ZONES. NONE AT ALL. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM OUT OF MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL. THE MOST OF THE, THE, THE, THE OTHER COMMERCIAL ZONES. THE ONES THAT I HAVE IN SPECIFIC ARE THE SC1 AND THE SC. AND THE REASON WHY I HAVE THAT PROBLEM IS WHAT WE JUST SAID IS MASSAGE ELEMENTS, MASSAGE, HAND AND STONE MASSAGE. THERE'S SEVERAL NATIONAL CHAINS THAT DO LEGITIMATE MASSAGE, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO BUSINESS IN WEST JORDAN BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE OPERATE OUT OF A STRIP MALL, LIKE MASSAGE. MASSAGE ENVY DOES AT THE FC TWO ZONE AT 70TH SOUTH AND REDWOOD. THAT'S MY CONCERN. I THINK WE'RE WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IS I THINK WE'RE RUSHING THIS A LITTLE BIT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO PERSONALLY, AND THIS IS WHAT

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I'M GOING TO SUGGEST, WHAT I'D LIKE US TO DO IS REFER THIS BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND BRING IT BACK WITH THE OTHER MASSAGE ORDINANCE THAT WE'VE GOT, AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WORKS IN CONCERT AND THAT WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING LEGITIMATE NATIONAL CHAIN MASSAGE PLACES LIKE HAND AND STONE THAT TYPICALLY OPERATE IN THE SMALL STRIP MALLS. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE ONE OUT IN DRAPER, THE ONE UP IN IN IN FORT UNION, THEY'RE LEGITIMATE AND THEY THEY OPERATE OUT OF THAT KIND OF A ZONE. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT OKAY, YOU HAVE TO GO RENT IN JORDAN LANDING. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S THE OR. AND MOST OF THOSE PLACES WON'T RENT IN A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BECAUSE OF BECAUSE THEY DO REQUIRE SOME TRAFFIC AND SOME COMMERCIAL STUFF. SO WHAT WHAT I'M WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND IS THAT WE HOLD OFF ON PASSING THIS. GO TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WITH ALL THE MASSAGE ORDINANCES TOGETHER, UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER AND NOT PIECEMEAL THIS AND THEN PASS A COMPREHENSIVE SET OF ORDINANCES THAT DEAL WITH THE THAT WILL HELP US ADDRESS THE ILLEGITIMATE MASSAGE THERAPY BUSINESS. BECAUSE, PAMELA, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. IF WE IF WE SAY, OH, YOU CAN'T DO IT IN AN SC2 ZONE AND THEY'RE NOT LEGITIMATE, THEY'LL JUST MOVE TO A ZONE OR THEY'LL MOVE TO SOME OTHER ZONE. AND WE STILL HAVE THE SAME ENFORCEMENT PROBLEM. SO I THINK THIS NEEDS TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE BUSINESS LICENSE REVOCATION ISSUES AND THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE A COUPLE OR THREE WEEKS AGO. AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD STAND ON THIS IS I'D PREFER NOT TO VOTE ON THIS. MOVE IT BACK TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND WORK WORK ON THIS IN TANDEM WITH THE OTHER ORDINANCE. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU. MY FRIEND IS OPERATING HER BUSINESS OUT OF AN A, C1 OR C2 ZONE AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT HER OUT OF BUSINESS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNCIL? COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON I HAVE ATTORNEY CHANDLER. DO YOU MIND IF I GO TO HIM FIRST? NOT AT ALL. MR. CHANDLER, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S ANY CONFUSION, THIS CHANGE WILL NOT PUT ANYONE OUT OF BUSINESS. ANY BUSINESS WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE ANY BUSINESS THAT IS OPERATING AT THE TIME. THIS CHANGE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE OPERATING AS A NON-CONFORMING BUSINESS. THIS CHANGE WON'T UNDO ANYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING NOW IN WEST JORDAN. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON, I AM IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN, I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AND I AM GOING TO MOVE TO REFER ORDINANCE 25 DASH 31 TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. I'LL SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION TO THE MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM TO REMIT THIS BACK TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. MISS QUICK, WILL YOU PLEASE DO A VOTE? COUNCIL MEMBER. GREEN.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHELTON. NO. VICE CHAIR. BADOR. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. LAM. YES. CHAIR.

WHITELOCK. WHY YOU HAVE TO CALL ON ME LAST. I KNOW WHAT YOUR VOTE IS. YES. AND COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM. YES. OKAY. I SHOW THE MOTION IS 3 TO 3. FOR TWO. WHAT DID I DO WRONG? I VOTED NO NO NO NO. YES YES. SO I HAVE GREEN. YES. SHELTON. NO. BADER. NO. LAMB. YES. WHITELOCK. YES.

BLOOM. NO. YES. BLOOM. BLOOM IS A YES BECAUSE WE'RE REMITTING IT BACK. SO IT'S A FOUR TO 4 TO 2.

THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE WILL GET THAT BACK ON AT A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. MR. GARDNER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ASK OF US? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS

[e. Resolution No. 25-040 Amending the West Jordan City Consolidated Fee Schedule]

RESOLUTION 20 5-040, AMENDING THE WEST JORDAN CITY CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE, MISS

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CONDIE. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. THIS RESOLUTION IS RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO A CHANGE IN THE WATER FEES. AND I JUST WANTED TO REVIEW, AS A REMINDER, SOME BACKGROUND THAT OUR OUR FEES WERE ADOPTED ON JUNE 24TH, WHICH INCLUDED AN INCREASE OF 3.5% FOR WATER COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.

THESE RATES DON'T DO NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST, SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH THE SUMMER WITH THE RATES FROM LAST YEAR, BUT THE NEW RATES WOULD BE AT THAT 3.5% THAT WAS ADOPTED ON THE 24TH OF JUNE. AT THE JULY 8TH WORK SESSION, THE COUNCIL MAJORITY DIRECTION WAS TO AMEND THE LANDSCAPE USAGE RATES TO MATCH THE RESIDENTIAL RATES. AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE BRINGING FORTH TONIGHT WITH THIS RESOLUTION. SOME SOME BACKGROUND ON THE ON THE DATA. WE HAVE ABOUT 500 LANDSCAPE METER ACCOUNTS. THE TOTAL LANDSCAPE WATER USED OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS IS ABOUT 482 MILLION GALLONS. AND SO OF THE TOTAL CITYWIDE WATER, THAT IS 6.5%.

THAT IS GOING TOWARDS LANDSCAPE WATER. THE TOTAL TOP 20 USERS FOR THOSE LANDSCAPE METERS IS ABOUT 140.5 MILLION GALLONS. AND OF THOSE TOP 20 USERS OR METERS, THEY USE 30% OF THE LANDSCAPE WATER. AND OF COURSE, IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY WATER USE. BETWEEN DECEMBER AND MARCH OF THE YEAR.

DURING THE WINTER MONTHS WHEN PEOPLE AREN'T WATERING THEIR LANDSCAPE. YOU CAN SEE HERE THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE RATES THAT THAT GREEN COLUMN IS THE CURRENT, WHAT THEY'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW, THOSE WERE THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 RATES. AND THEN THE BLUE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT ARE EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 26 THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE BEGINNING. AND THEN THAT YELLOW COLUMN WAS IS THE PROPOSED CHANGE. SO THAT THOSE RATES WOULD MATCH THE RESIDENTIAL USAGE RATES. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERING PERCENTAGES BASED ON ON TIERS IN TERMS OF WHAT PERCENT INCREASE TO THAT RATE WOULD BE. I WANTED TO GIVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THOSE HIGHER WATER USERS. THIS FIRST, THIS FIRST EXAMPLE IS SOME A BUSINESS ESSENTIALLY THAT USES ABOUT 2000 THOUSAND GALLONS. SO TWO 2 MILLION GALLONS PER MONTH. AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WOULD BREAK DOWN OVER EACH OF THOSE TIERS AND WHAT THEY WOULD BE PAYING FOR THAT, THAT AMOUNT. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS THE CURRENT RATE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY ADOPTED. AND THE PROPOSED RATE WOULD BE THAT $576, 577 ESSENTIALLY PER MONTH ON THE HIGHEST TYPE OF LANDSCAPE METER. THIS IS ONE OF THE SCHOOLS THAT FALLS IN THAT TOP 20 CATEGORIES.

AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED AND THE PROPOSED RATES WOULD BE ABOUT $468. AND THEN ONE OF THE LOWER TOP 30 USERS. THAT DIFFERENCE WOULD BE ABOUT $144,142. THAT ONE OF THE THAT MIDDLE ONE IS, IS A SCHOOL IN OUR IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH HAS A LOT OF OPEN, OPEN SPACE THAT THEY USE AROUND THEIR THEIR BUILDING AND PROVIDES SOME SPACE FOR GREENERY AND USAGE, NOT JUST FOR THE SCHOOL BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. THE ONE THAT I THAT I DID NOT PUT IN HERE, BUT FOR AN EXAMPLE, A LOWER LANDSCAPE USER, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT $13 PER MONTH. SO DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY FALL IN THIS, IF THEY'RE A HIGH, HIGH USER OR A MEDIUM USER OR A LOWER USER, THEY'RE THEIR DIFFERENCE MIGHT VARY SIGNIFICANTLY FROM FROM WHAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. A COUPLE OF OTHER PIECES OF INFORMATION. THE OVERALL REVENUE FROM THIS CHANGE WOULD INCREASE PROBABLY LESS THAN 3%, AND KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW THEY ADJUST THEIR USAGE OVER OVER TIME. RIGHT? SO ANY REVENUE ADJUSTMENT THAT WE SEE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WOULD BE MADE WITH A FUTURE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING TO CHANGE THE BUDGETED AMOUNTS RIGHT NOW. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS NO CHANGE TO THE TRANSFER FROM THE WATER FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND DUE TO THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO NOTIFY THE USERS AND ALL OF

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THAT. SO THE TRANSFER WOULD STAY AS BUDGETED. THERE ARE THERE ARE TWO STEPS TO THIS CHANGE IN THE FEES. THIS FIRST ONE WOULD BE THE PUBLIC HEARING WHICH IS THIS ITEM RESOLUTION 25 DASH 40. AND THEN DEPENDING ON YOUR DIRECTION WITH THIS RESOLUTION, THERE WOULD THEN NEED TO BE THE BUSINESS ITEM SIX B, WHICH IS ESTABLISHING THE WATER AND SEWER RATES. AND THAT SECOND RESOLUTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T SEE ANY OKAY. IF NOT, WE'LL TURN IT OVER FOR YOU TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU ARE HERE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON RESOLUTION 20 5-040, PLEASE COME FORWARD. OR IF YOU'RE ONLINE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND INDICATE YOU WANT TO SPEAK. ANYONE ONLINE? CARE TO SPEAK MR. HALLMARK? STILL THREE ONLINE? NONE WISH TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. I SEE NO ONE RUSHING UP TO SPEAK TO US, SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION OR A POSSIBLE MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S AN IMPACT, BUT WE IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS. AND WHEN YOU SHOW THAT, YEP, IF YOU USE A LOT OF WATER, YOU PAY A LOT MORE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND WHERE WHERE I HEAR ALL THE TIME THAT WATER USAGE IS A PROBLEM IS NOT INSIDE THE HOME BUT OUTSIDE THE HOME. AND WE ACTUALLY LIVE IN A DESERT. AND SO I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS AND WILL BE VOTING A RESOUNDING YES. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE REASONS OUR STATE HAS MOVED TO TEARS IS TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR, AND WE'VE GIVEN THEM A FEW YEARS OF NOT HAVING TO PAY THE SAME AS THE RESIDENTIAL. FOR ME, I THINK IT'S TIME I WILL GO TO THE MAYOR NEXT. MAYOR BURTON HAS HIS LIGHT ON. THANK YOU. AS THIS IS A RESOLUTION, I DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE EITHER WAY ON THIS. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS OR JORDAN LANDING OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER USERS THAT THIS DIRECTLY AFFECTS IF THEY HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THIS, I, I'M REALLY HESITANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THEM HAVING SOME INPUT ON WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THEM. THANK YOU. WELL, MAYOR, I WOULD ASK, HAVE YOUR STAFF MADE THEM AWARE? OKAY, THEN THAT'S THE ANSWER. COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON SO I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE, AND THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT CREATING HEAT ISLANDS IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS OF THE CITY. THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACT ON ON BUSINESSES, THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST OF SUPPLYING WATER FOR.

LANDSCAPE VERSUS THE COST OF SUPPLYING WATER FOR RESIDENTIAL IS VERY DIFFERENT. AND SO BASED ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD, I AM PLANNING TO. RECOMMEND PLANNING TO MAKE A MOTION TO SEND THIS BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. HOWEVER, I'D LIKE TO OF COURSE HEAR WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO SAY BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN I THINK THE REASON THAT I'M THE BIGGEST REASON THAT I'M IN FOR THIS IS FAIRNESS. AND I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT, CHAIR WHITELOCK, THAT WE DO LIVE IN A IN A DESERT. BUT WHAT IT APPEARS WHEN WE HAVE A BIG LANDSCAPE USER THAT'S PAYING LESS TO LANDSCAPE THEIR PROPERTY THAN WHAT I PAY TO LANDSCAPE MINE, IT APPEARS I'M SUBSIDIZING COMMERCIAL LANDSCAPE. AND TO ME, WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, IT CERTAINLY THE APPEARANCE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS HAVING THE RESIDENTS SUBSIDIZE THE COMMERCIAL LANDSCAPING IN THE CITY. NOW, IF WE BELIEVE THAT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE PUBLIC POLICY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT ESTHETICS, BUT WE HAVE TO BALANCE THAT WITH THE PUBLIC POLICY OF NOT HAVING LARGE WATER USERS. AND I'VE, I'VE, I'VE SEEN

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SOME OF THOSE LARGE WATER USERS. I USED TO RENT A I HAVE A BUSINESS IN ONE OF THE LARGE WATER USERS ON REDWOOD ROAD AND THEIR SPRINKLERS WERE TERRIBLE AND THEY DIDN'T CARE THAT THEY FIXED THE SPRINKLERS TO ONLY WATER IN, AND THEY WERE WATERING THE PARKING LOTS AND THERE WAS TONS OF WATER IN THOSE PARKING LOTS EVERY TIME THEY WATERED. AND I THINK IF WE MAKE THE RATES CONSISTENT, WE DON'T SEE THIS RAISE A LOT OF IT REALLY DOES. YOU KNOW, THERE THERE ARE SOME TIMES THAT I WONDER, WELL, ARE WE AFFECTING THE LANDSCAPE RATE SO MUCH ON A BUSINESS THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A BUDGETING CYCLE AND THAT THEY CAN'T BUDGET FOR THE MONEY? BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE LARGEST WATER USERS IN THE IN THE CITY, AND IT'S COSTING AN EXTRA $1,000 A YEAR, I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT IMPACT. AND MAYBE IT DOES SEND A MESSAGE THAT WE OUGHT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE SPRINKLERS WATER BETTER. OR AND I'M GOING TO BE CURIOUS BECAUSE I KNOW WHO ONE OF THE LARGER WATER USERS IS, AND I KNOW THAT THEY JUST REPLACED A LOT OF THEIR PARK STRIP WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF. AND SO I'M GOING TO BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THEIR WATER USAGE IS. WILL THAT REALLY AFFECT THE HEAT ISLAND IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA OF THE CITY? I'M GOING TO TELL YOU I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE 90% OF THEIR PROPERTY IS ASPHALT ANYWAY. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE, THE LITTLE STRIPS THAT THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS HAS ARE, ARE SUBSTANTIVE ENOUGH TO, TO COOL OFF WHEN THEY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR PARKING LOT, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE 500 TO 1000 PARKING SPOTS IN THAT FRONT OF THAT CAR, IN THAT FRONT OF THAT BUILDING. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT IS I JUST DON'T WANT WANT IT TO I WANT IT TO MAKE IT LOOK AND, AND BE REALISTIC THAT WE'RE NOT THAT THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER ISN'T SUBSIDIZING THE LARGE LANDSCAPE USER, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LANDSCAPE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT OZONE THAT USES A LOT OF WATER FOR THEIR MANUFACTURING. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DENTON. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE BUSINESSES IN THE COMMERCIAL WATER THAT THEY USE THAT GENERATES INDUSTRY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLACES THAT USE A LOT OF WATER TO, TO, TO. THAT, YOU KNOW, PAYS FOR GRASS AND WATERING ASPHALT BECAUSE THEY DON'T DO A GOOD JOB OF MANAGING THEIR SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. MISS CONDIE, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE ANSWERED, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK IT AGAIN. THESE WATER RATES WILL NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL OCTOBER, WHEN WE'RE PROBABLY NOT WATERING. RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO THEY HAVE A YEAR ESSENTIALLY, AT LEAST THROUGH THE WINTER TIME AND INTO SPRING WHEN THEY TURN THEM ON AND SEE WHAT HAS BROKEN OVER THE WINTER AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM, FOR THE LAST DECADE, EDUCATION AND THE BURDEN OF WATER CONSERVATION HAS BEEN PUT ON RESIDENTS, AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH PRESSURE FOR BIGGER ENTITIES WHO USE A LOT OF WATER TO CONSERVE. AND HONESTLY, I THINK THE, THE HIGH RATE HIKE IS A LITTLE BIT TOO SMALL BECAUSE IF OUR CHURCHES, OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR HOA'S CANNOT SET AN EXAMPLE, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO EXPECT RESIDENTS TO FOLLOW SUIT? SO FOR ME, THIS IS A GREAT STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. DO I WORRY SOME HOA'S ARE JUST GOING TO PASS THE COST ON TO RESIDENTS? ABSOLUTELY. AND I HOPE RESIDENTS DO AN UPROAR OF IT. THE HOA I LIVE IN IS WATERING SEVEN NIGHTS A WEEK AND THEY DON'T CARE. I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM. THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, OUR LANDSCAPING COMPANY TAKES CARE OF ALL OF THAT, SO WE WASH OUR HANDS OF IT. I DON'T AGREE WITH IT. THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION THAT YOU NEED TO CONSERVE WATER, WHETHER YOU'RE A RESIDENT, WHETHER YOU'RE A BUSINESS, WHETHER YOU'RE A CHURCH OR WHETHER YOU'RE A SCHOOL, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE AN HOA. VICE CHAIR. BADER. YEAH, I THINK I, I REMEMBER THIS A LOT OF THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE I MADE A FLIPPANT REMARK ABOUT WHY ARE THE LANDSCAPERS PAYING LESS THAN THE RESIDENTS? WHY CAN'T WE JUST EVEN THAT UP AND HAVE EVERYONE IN THE SAME BOAT? I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE THIS ALL MOVE SO QUICKLY, BUT FOR ME, A LOT OF THIS REALLY DOES COME DOWN TO YEAH, THEY MIGHT PAY MORE IF THEY DON'T CHANGE, BUT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD OVER AND OVER AGAIN IF WE DON'T CHANGE, WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT SALT LAKE, SO MAYBE THIS WILL HELP GET THEM CHANGED. I

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LIVE WITHIN 50 YARDS OF TWO VERY LARGE USERS OF WATER THAT GO SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND RAIN SNOW DOESN'T MATTER. THOSE SPRINKLERS ARE GOING AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM THINK, WELL, MAYBE IF I PUT A LITTLE LITTLE THING ON MY, MY, MY WATERING SYSTEM THAT IF IT'S RAINING, THE SPRINKLERS DON'T GO ON, THAT WON'T COST THEM VERY MUCH AT ALL TO PUT ON AND WE'LL STOP IT. I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO NOT WATER, BUT IF WE STOPPED THEM FROM WATERING DURING THE RAIN, THEN I THINK WE'VE WE'VE ACHIEVED SOMETHING JUST FROM THAT ALONE. AND AGAIN, I, I LOVE OUR, OUR GREEN SPACES.

I WANT TO KEEP THEM GREEN, BUT I WANT TO DO IT SMARTLY. AND LIKE I SAID, FOR JUST SOMETHING I, I SET OFF THE CUFF ONE TIME. I'M GLAD TO SEE, APPARENTLY, THAT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE SOMEONE LISTENS TO DUMB THINGS I SAY. BUT THIS ONE I THINK COULD WORK OUT WELL. SO YEAH, I'M I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS MOVE QUICKLY. COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB THANK YOU. JUST LIKE OUR PREVIOUS ONE WHERE SOME FELT WE NEEDED SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MASSAGE THERAPY. I'M WITH COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON. I THINK WE NEED SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE BUSINESSES AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT BUDGETS. I DO KNOW THAT DENISE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT SHE HAD A FEW DETAILS THAT I HADN'T HEARD BEFORE WHEN THIS CAME UP. SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON WHO'S USING WATER, WHETHER HOA'S ARE USING WATER, WHETHER IT'S SCHOOLS, WHETHER RELIGIOUS CHURCHES ARE USING THE WATER DIFFERENTLY. YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, EVEN IF WE RAISE THE RATES, I DON'T SEE ALL OF THESE ENTITIES CHANGING TOO MUCH. IT SEEMS LIKE RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T CARE RIGHT NOW.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW RAISING RATES IS GOING TO CHANGE IT UNLESS THEY LOOK AT THEIR BILL AND FINALLY FIGURE OUT THAT THEY'RE PAYING TOO MUCH. BUT I'LL LET COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON SPEAK. BUT I'M WITH HIM. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE IT BACK. JUST LIKE THE MASSAGE THERAPY IN OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING AND TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, WE HAVE TILL OCTOBER TO FIX THIS OR OR MAKE IT BETTER. AND LET'S LET'S MAKE IT BETTER FOR EVERYONE.

COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON, I AM. FROM WHAT I'VE FROM WHAT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME, IF WE WERE TO RAISE THE RATES TO MATCH RESIDENTIAL RATES, THE LANDSCAPING RATE, THOSE DOING LANDSCAPE WITH THE WITH USING THIS LANDSCAPING RATE WOULD THEN BE SUBSIDIZING RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE OF THE HIGHER COST OF PROVIDING WATER TO RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL HOMES. I FEARFUL OF USING OUR WATER RATES AS A PUNITIVE MEASURE TO THOSE WHO ARE USING TOO MUCH WATER. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. PROBABLY WON'T PASS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SEND RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 5-040. AMENDING THE WEST JORDAN CITY CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB TO SEND RESOLUTION 20 5-0 40 BACK TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. THIS QUICK A VOTE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER LAM YES.

CHAIR. WHITELOCK. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. GREEN. SURE. YES. VICE CHAIR. BADOR. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHELTON. YES. I SHOW THE MOTION PASSES 4 TO 2. THANK YOU. REAL QUICK QUESTIONS ON BOTH OF THOSE. DO WE HAVE TO BRING THOSE BACK TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AGAIN? ARE WE DONE WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS ON BOTH OF THOSE? IS THAT A QUESTION YOU CAN ANSWER. SO WE'VE HAD TWO THAT HAVE BEEN REFERRED BACK. DO THEY COME BACK AND BE PUBLIC HEARINGS AGAIN? I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND IN PART ON HOW MANY CHANGES WE MAKE BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED TODAY, BUT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THAT DISCUSSION IS, I WOULD SAY THAT GENERALLY MY RECOMMENDATION IS IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES THAT WE DO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND MISS CONDIE, WE DON'T NEED TO DO B THEN. CORRECT? OKAY. SO WE

[a. Resolution No. 25-033 Adoption of Multi-Jurisdictional Hazard Mitigation Plan]

WILL MOVE ON TO BUSINESS ITEM RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 DASH 33 ADOPTION OF MULTIJURISDICTIONAL

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JURISDICTIONAL HAZARDOUS MITIGATION PLAN. MR. MULCAHY HAS A LONG PLAN, SOME OF IT VERY INTERESTING, OTHERS NOT SO MUCH. 441 PAGES. AND THAT'S JUST THE FIRST VOLUME. WELL, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS JEFF MULCAHY. I'M THE EMERGENCY MANAGER HERE IN THE CITY. AND TONIGHT I'M HERE TO ASK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SIGN A RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE SALT LAKE COUNTY MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES THE WEST JORDAN ANNEX, WHICH IS ANOTHER 52 PAGES. IT DOES WORK. SO WHEN WE TALK HAZARD MITIGATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT ANY ANY SUSTAINED ACTION THAT WOULD REDUCE OR ELIMINATE HAZARDOUS RISK TO LIFE AND PROPERTY. PROACTIVE HAZARD MITIGATION PLANNING ENABLES OUR COMMUNITIES TO IDENTIFY AND ASSESS RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE HAZARDS, AND IMPLEMENT MEASURES TO REDUCE THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO PROTECT COMMUNITIES AND BUILD LONG TERM RESILIENCE. THIS INFORMATION IS IDENTIFIED IN THIS PLAN. THE PLAN INCLUDES DOCUMENTATION OF IDENTIFIED HAZARDS THAT ARE A THREAT WITHIN THE COUNTY, DETAILING EACH JURISDICTION'S SUSCEPTIBILITY, AND THESE VULNERABILITIES ARE BROKEN DOWN BY NATURAL, MAN MADE AND TECHNOLOGICAL HAZARDS. IT ALSO OUTLINES GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND ACTIONS FOR EACH JURISDICTION IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THOSE ACTIONS. THE PLAN IDENTIFIES POLICIES, ACTIONS, AND TOOLS NEEDED TO PREVENT LOSS OF LIFE AND OR PROPERTY DAMAGE BEFORE DISASTER STRIKES. NOW, WHY DOES MITIGATION PLANNING MATTER? WELL, PRE IDENTIFIES HAZARDS, THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT AND PROVIDES US WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP AND PRIORITIZE GOALS AND ACTIONS THAT ARE NEEDED. WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD RESILIENCE AND LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY WITHIN THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN. WE ALSO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO IDENTIFY FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. THE ROBERT T STAFFORD DISASTER RELIEF AND EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE ACT. IT REQUIRES A JURISDICTION TO HAVE A HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR NON-EMERGENCY DISASTER FUNDING. NOW, THE HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN IS ONE OF TWO PLANS REQUIRED THROUGH THIS ACT, THE OTHER BEING THE COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH WE DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. THESE TWO APPROVED PLANS NEED TO BE IN PLACE TO APPLY FOR ANY FEDERAL GRANTS. IN SALT LAKE COUNTY. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WAS THE LEAD AGENCY IN DEVELOPING THE PLAN, JUST AS THEY WERE FOR THE PLAN. THE PREVIOUS PLAN BACK IN 19 OR 2019, SALT LAKE COUNTY USED GRANT MONEY TO HAVE THE 2025 HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN WRITTEN AND BASED ON INFORMATION FROM THE PREVIOUS PLAN, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE WEST JORDAN ANNEX. THIS UPDATED PLAN INCORPORATES DATA FROM THE PREVIOUS PLAN AND INCLUDES ADDITIONAL DATA FROM THE PAST FIVE YEARS. THE INFORMATION IN THIS PLAN CAN BE USED TO SUPPORT COMMUNITY PLANNERS, EMERGENCY MANAGERS, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE PUBLIC TO MAKE MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS REGARDING LAND USE, INFRASTRUCTURE PREPAREDNESS AND RESOURCE ALLOCATION. I THINK MY SLIDES ARE OFF. YES. THERE WE GO. NOW WHY? WHY A MULTI JURISDICTIONAL PLAN. WELL OUR HAZARDS THEY DON'T THEY DON'T FOLLOW JURISDICTIONAL LINES WHICH REQUIRES US TO RELY ON ONE ANOTHER ON OTHER JURISDICTIONS USING MUTUAL AID AND VICE VERSA. YOU KNOW WE HELP THEM AND THEY HELP US. WE ARE ALSO ABLE TO AVOID DUPLICATION OF EFFORT, OF SPENDING AND OTHER GAPS THROUGH MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL APPROACH. NOW, MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL PLANNING ALSO MAKES IT EASIER TO COMBINE RESOURCES, EXPERIENCE AND DATA COLLECTION EFFORTS, WHICH SAVES US TIME AND MONEY.

IT ALSO ENCOURAGES COLLABORATION AND HELPS INDIVIDUAL JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE UNABLE TO QUALIFY FOR GRANTS ON THEIR OWN. HOPEFULLY, YOU HAD A CHANCE TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH BOTH VOLUMES OF THE PLAN. ALL 400 PLUS PAGES. 441. SORRY I MISSED 441 I DIDN'T READ PAGE 441.

VOLUME ONE IS THE COUNTYWIDE BASE PLAN AND VOLUME TWO IS THE WEST JORDAN ANNEX FOR THAT. NOW, IN ORDER TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN, THERE IS ACTION REQUIRED. I'VE BEEN ATTENDING PLANNING MEETINGS COORDINATED WITH OTHER OR WITH OUR DEPARTMENTS FOR DATA COLLECTION, AND WORK WITH THE

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COUNTY TO DEVELOP THE WEST JORDAN ANNEX. NOW, ONCE THE PLAN IS ADOPTED, WEST JORDAN WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN, WHICH ENTITLES US TO APPLY FOR FEDERAL GRANTS. OUR STAKEHOLDERS ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN, AND THIS INCLUDES NON-GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES AND ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. IN ADDITION, BUSINESSES, ACADEMIA AND OTHER PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS, AS WELL AS NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT SUPPORT UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES AND SOCIALLY VULNERABLE POPULATIONS CAN PARTICIPATE. DATA MODELING HAS IDENTIFIED 19 HAZARDS, MOSTLY NATURAL HAZARDS RANGING FROM DROUGHT AND EARTHQUAKES TO SEVERE WEATHER AND HIGH WINDS. MAN MADE AND TECHNOLOGICAL HAZARDS ARE ALSO IDENTIFIED, SUCH AS CYBER, CYBER TERRORISM, AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. NOW, WHAT'S NEW TO THE PLAN? RECENTLY INCORPORATED JURISDICTIONS HAVE BEEN INTEGRATED INTO THE PLAN.

BOTH JORDAN AND CANYON SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE BEEN ADDED. THERE'S BEEN INCREASED ELIGIBILITY FOR HIGH HAZARD POTENTIAL DAMN FUNDING, CLIMATE CHANGE INFLUENCE, AND UPDATED GOALS AND ACTIONS GEARED TOWARDS EMERGING PRIORITY PRIORITIES AND THREATS. NOW, THERE ARE ALSO STANDALONE PROFILES FOR ADDED HAZARDS AS WELL AS SOCIALLY VULNERABLE POPULATIONS. SALT LAKE COUNTY RECENTLY REVIEWED AND ADOPTED THIS HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN, AND ONCE THE PLAN IS APPROVED AT FEMA, THE COUNTY AND JURISDICTIONS ADOPTING THE PLAN WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT FEDERAL RECOVERY AND MITIGATION FUNDING. NOW, SALT LAKE COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ALSO WILL BEGIN COLLABORATION WITH STAKEHOLDERS FOR GRANT FUNDING, PUBLIC OUTREACH, AND FOR MITIGATION STRATEGIES. IN ORDER TO BE TO BE PART OF THAT PLAN. THE TO BE PART OF THE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN AND BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR THESE FUNDINGS. THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN WILL NEED TO ADOPT THE PLAN BY RESOLUTION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE? I HAVE AT LEAST TWO. OKAY. IT. WHY? WHY ONLY JORDAN AND CANYONS THAT PARTICIPATED? WHAT HAPPENED TO GRANITE AND SALT LAKE? GRANITE I BELIEVE, WAS ALREADY IN THE LAST VERSION OF THE PLAN. OKAY, SALT LAKE, I'M NOT SURE. AND THE COMMUNITY SO IS UNIVERSITY OF UTAH PART OF THIS PROJECT TO. BUT COMMUNITY COLLEGE JUST GOT ADDED. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, HOW IS FEMA GOING TO APPROVE IT WHEN FEMA CONTINUES TO OR WHAT GOES AWAY? NEVER MIND. THAT WAS JUST MY POLITICAL COMMENT. I CAN NEITHER CONFIRM NOR DENY. ANYTHING ELSE.

MR. MACKAY, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE NO QUESTIONS. SO I WILL MOVE FOR A MOTION. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB ALRIGHT, I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 5-033 ADOPTION OF THE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN. COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON. SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION TO THE MOTION? SEEING NONE I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB. A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON. MISS.

QUICK A VOTE PLEASE. VICE CHAIR BADOR. YES. CHAIR. WHITELOCK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BLUM. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. LAMB. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. GREEN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHELTON. YES. I

[b. Resolution No. 25-041 Establishing Water and Sewer Rates]

SHOW THE MOTION PASSES 6 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. EVEN THOUGH THIS ISN'T NEEDED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS. SO I MOVE TO MOVE. RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 041, ESTABLISHING WATER AND SEWER RATES BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. AND COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB. SECOND. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR WHITELOCK, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB.

THIS QUICK A VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER BLUM NO. OH COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB YES. VICE CHAIR.

BADOR. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. GREEN. CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT MY LAST. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. SHELTON. YES. AND CHAIR WHITELOCK. YES. I SHOW THE MOTION PASSES 5 TO 1. WE DID

[c. Mosquito Abatement Report Report by Kelvin Green of a proposed property tax increase by South Salt Lake Valley Mosquito Abatement District Comment on report by members of the public and/or city council members.]

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