Sep 16, 2025 Planning Commission

IN PROGRESS. WELCOME, EVERYBODY TO THE WEST JORDAN PLANNING

[Pre-Meeting 5:30 p.m.]

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WE HAVE FIVE OF OUR SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT AT THE CURRENT TIME, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

FIRST ON THE AGENDA IS CONSENT CALENDAR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM LAST TIME.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MINUTES.

OKAY. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH FINAL ACTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND THIS IS MONO EVENT CENTER.

I HOPE I SAID THAT RIGHT.

MY SPANISH IS MUY POQUITO.

GO AHEAD. MEGAN. YEAH.

SO THIS IS FOR AN EVENT CENTER.

PART OF IT WILL BE AN EVENT CENTER.

THE OTHER HALF WILL BE A DANCE STUDIO.

THE DANCE STUDIO WILL OPERATE DURING THE WEEK AND THE EVENT CENTER WOULD BE ON THE WEEKENDS. THEY WON'T BE SERVING ANY ALCOHOL.

IT WILL BE MOSTLY FOR FAMILY EVENTS.

LIKE ANNIVERSARIES, SWEET SIXTEENS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'VE PLACED A FEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ON THERE.

MOSTLY THAT ALL ACTIVITIES WILL BE CONTAINED INDOORS.

AND, YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MEGAN? JUST ONE QUESTION. WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION? SO FOR THE EVENT CENTER, IT'S 6 P.M.

TO MIDNIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MEGAN? OKAY. NEXT IS THE WEST JORDAN UTAH TEMPLE AND MEETINGHOUSE.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE RAY.

RE. OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, I GUESS YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE TRAIN DERAILMENT. THIS IS A TEMPLE SITE AND A STAKE CENTER SITE FOR THAT WILL BE LOCATED JUST ON THE WEST SIDE OF PLATTE FIVE.

SO YOU'RE BASICALLY JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE.

PLAN FOR IT AND WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE, THE SITE LAYOUT AND THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS, THE MATERIALS, ALL THAT DURING THE MEETING.

BUT THIS AGAIN IS JUST FOR PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF BOTH BUILDINGS.

A COUPLE OF THINGS NEED TO DROP INTO PLACE BEFORE THE AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS THAT PLATTE FIVE WILL NEED TO BE RECORDED, NEED TO BE RECORDED AS PART OF AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL BECAUSE THAT'S THE PLAT PLATS ONE THROUGH FOUR HAVE BEEN RECORDED AND WE JUST HAVE TO GET PLATTE FIVE SO THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT THAT SITE.

THEY'LL ALSO NEED TO GO THROUGH A MINOR SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS JUST A STAFF LEVEL REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE TABLE.

WITH THIS ITEM. ANY QUESTIONS FOR RAY? THANK YOU. JASON. OH, YEAH.

I HAD A HARD TIME HEARING.

OKAY. OKAY, THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO OUR TRAINING.

DUNCAN. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS TRAINING BUILDS ON THE PRIOR TWO TRAININGS, AND IT CONSISTS OF A BUNCH OF SCENARIOS WE'LL GO THROUGH, WHICH IS JUST REALLY THIS FRONT PAGE I INCLUDED FOR YOUR REFERENCE, THE TRAINING FROM THE LAST MEETING OR THE LAST TRAINING WE DID, PLUS THE TRAINING BEFORE THAT.

SO YOUR LAST TWO TRAININGS, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE AN OPEN BOOK TEST TODAY WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE TEST QUESTIONS, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT THE MATERIALS WHERE THE ANSWERS ARE FOUND. RIGHT.

I THOUGHT ABOUT SCENARIOS JUST USING PEOPLE, GIVING LAND FOR A ROAD.

AND THEN WHO DOES IT GO BACK TO WHEN THE CITY VACATES? BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF TOO EASY, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S WHOEVER GAVE THE LAND GETS IT BACK.

IF THEY NEVER HAD IT, THEY DON'T GET IT BACK.

IF THEY GAVE MORE THAN THE HALF THAN THEY GET THAT MORE THAN HALF BACK.

SO I USE SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS ARE MORE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE LEARNED IN THE IN THE TRAININGS. THERE'S REALLY NO TRICK QUESTIONS EXCEPT FOR THE LAST TWO QUESTIONS.

THEY REALLY ARE TRICK QUESTIONS. OR AT LEAST THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOT VERY GOOD.

AT LEAST THERE ARE ONES THAT SOME OF THESE COULD BE ARGUED ALL DIFFERENT WAYS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF IFS AND BUTS, RIGHT? THE COOL THING ABOUT THIS AREA OF THE LAW IS IT'S PRETTY WITH DEDICATION,

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IT'S IT'S REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT LAW THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE.

IT'S LOGICAL. IT MIGHT NOT BE IMMEDIATELY INTUITIVE, BUT ONCE YOU LEARN THE PRINCIPLES, THEY'RE CONSISTENT.

AND THEY'RE NOT SUPER COMPLICATED.

RIGHT. BUT IT'S STILL SOMETIMES HELPS TO HAVE SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF SETTLE IT IN PLACE AS TO AS TO THESE PRINCIPLES.

SO THE FIRST FACT PATTERN IS THERE'S THESE TWO LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.

THEY HAVE A COMMON BORDER, GOT ONE OWNER TO THE NORTH, ONE TO THE SOUTH. NEITHER PROPERTY OWNER STOPS ANYBODY FROM DRIVING ALONG THIS COMMON BORDER FROM EAST TO WEST.

IT BECOMES KIND OF A DIRT ROAD, RIGHT? AFTER ABOUT EIGHT YEARS, IT'S A DIRT ROAD.

IT'S NOT DEDICATED BY DIETER PLATT.

SO JUST PEOPLE TRYING TO GET FROM ONE SIDE OF THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE OTHER SIDE, ALONG THIS COMMON DIRT ROAD THAT'S IN BETWEEN THESE TWO LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS, IS THE DIRT ROAD DEDICATED BY PUBLIC USE? NO. AND WHY NOT? TEN YEARS.

IT'S GOT TO BE AT LEAST TEN YEARS.

AND THIS WAS ONLY EIGHT YEARS. YEAH.

YOU GUYS GOT IT. YOU REMEMBERED THAT? STARTING OFF. GOOD. AND THEN QUESTION BE.

CAN THE PEOPLE START? CAN THE PEOPLE DRIVING ON THE DIRT ROAD CLAIM A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT ON THE DIRT ROAD? WHY NOT 20 YEARS? YEAH, YOU GUYS HAVE IT.

SEE, A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS MINIMUM NUMBER OF YEARS, RIGHT? THERE'S SOME MAGIC NUMBERS.

ONE OF THEM'S TEN. ANOTHER ONE OF THEM'S 20.

THERE'S ANOTHER MAGIC NUMBER. IN A MINUTE, WE'LL GET TO.

SO YOU GOT THE MAGIC NUMBERS.

OR IF SOMETHING GETS DEDICATED BY DEED OR PLAT, RIGHT? WHICH THIS ONE WASN'T.

SO, YEAH, NO PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT FORMS. SO IF THESE TWO LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS DECIDE TO STOP GRANTING ACCESS TO THESE OTHER PEOPLE DRIVING ON THE DIRT ROAD, CAN THEY DO IT? YES. RIGHT. YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME.

EXCELLENT. YEAH. BECAUSE UNLESS YOU HAVE A PROPERTY, RIGHT, THAT YOU GAINED BY DEED OR BY PLAT OR BY ONE OF THESE MINIMUM NUMBER OF YEARS, THINGS LIKE A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT OR THE ROAD DEDICATED BY PUBLIC USE.

IF THERE'S NOT, IF YOU HAVEN'T MET THE MINIMUM YEAR THRESHOLD OR A DEED OR A PLAT WHERE YOU CAN POINT TO IT AND SAY, THAT GIVES ME A LEGAL RIGHT TO USE THAT ROAD, THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT, WHICH MEANS THE OWNER CAN STOP ALLOWING YOU TO DO IT RIGHT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR OWN INDEPENDENT.

RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT SAME FACT PATTERN GOING INTO NUMBER TWO HERE.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT UP.

AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THIS DIRT ROAD HAS BEEN DEDICATED BY A RECORDED DEED.

SO BOTH OF THESE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS DEED THIS DIRT ROAD TO THE CITY GETS CITY ACCEPTS IT, IT GETS RECORDED. AND REMEMBER THAT'S NECESSARY, RIGHT? IF THE CITY DOESN'T ACCEPT IT AND IT DOESN'T GET RECORDED, IT DOESN'T COUNT, RIGHT? DEEDS ARE GREAT, PLATS ARE GREAT.

BUT IF THE CITY DOESN'T ACCEPT THEM AND THEY DON'T GET RECORDED. AND WHERE DO THEY GET RECORDED? COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE.

YEAH. SO IF THE CITY DOESN'T ACCEPT IT AND THE DEED PLAT DOES NOT GET RECORDED AT THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE, IT DOESN'T COUNT, RIGHT? BUT HERE THEY DID DO IT, SO IT DID COUNT. AND THE AREAS TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THE DIRT ROAD ARE ARE IN THE CITY'S BOUNDARIES. AND AFTER A FEW YEARS, THE PEOPLE START DEMANDING THAT THE CITY IMPROVE THE DIRT ROAD WITH ASPHALT. RIGHT. WE LOVE THIS ROAD.

IT'S YOUR ROAD. WE'RE TIRED OF IT BEING A DIRT ROAD.

PUT SOME ASPHALT ON IT.

THIS IS WHAT THE RESIDENTS AND LOCAL LANDOWNERS ARE SAYING.

BUT THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO IMPROVE THE DIRT ROAD.

BECAUSE BY THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE'S A LOT OF NEARBY, FULLY IMPROVED ASPHALT ROADS THAT ARE HANDLING THE TRAFFIC.

AT THIS POINT, THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY NEED THIS ONE.

IT WOULD BE DUPLICATIVE OR WHATEVER.

CITY JUST DOESN'T WANT IT.

SO INSTEAD, THEY WANT TO JUST ABANDON THE DIRT ROAD, RIGHT? SO IS THE. SO QUESTION D THERE IS THE CITY LEGALLY ABLE TO ABANDON THE DIRT ROAD? NO. I SAY NO. OKAY. JAY SAYS NO.

WHAT DOES EVERYBODY ELSE SAY? AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T CREATE AN ISSUE LEGALLY WITH ACCESS TO THE PROPERTIES, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE.

THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT.

YEAH, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS, THAT'S THE IFS AND BUTS WE'RE GETTING INTO.

RIGHT. IF WE'RE CUTTING OFF SOMEBODY'S ACCESS OR MAYBE THERE'S A UTILITY LINE DOWN THE ROAD

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SOMETIMES WHEN YOU ABANDON, YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL IF THERE'S UTILITIES OR OTHER REASONS. NORMALLY, I MEAN, THERE IS SOME EXCEPTIONS BUT DON'T NORMALLY IF IT'S DEDICATED AND DEEDED TO THE CITY, THEY HAVE TO HANG ON TO IT UNTIL SOME SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMES UP.

OKAY, SO HOLD ON TO THAT THOUGHT.

SO LET'S, LET'S ADD TO THE FACT PATTERN AND SAY THERE'S NO UTILITIES IN THE ROAD, THERE'S NO ACCESS ISSUES.

PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACCESS WILL STILL HAVE ACCESS.

NOBODY'S CUT OFF. SO NONE OF THOSE IFS AND BUTS COME INTO PLAY.

SO CAN THE CITY ABANDON THE ROAD? YES, YES. WHY? BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE THE ACCESS TO OTHER LOCATIONS AND IT'S DEEMED UNNECESSARY. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A PRIVATE ROAD.

BECAUSE WHO'S IT GOING IF THEY ABANDON IT? WHO'S IT GOING TO GO BACK TO? THE PEOPLE THAT GAVE IT.

SO THE NORTH OWNER HAS THE NORTH SIDE, SOUTH OWNER HAS SOUTH SIDE.

SO THEY STILL HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THEIR OWN PRIVATE ROAD.

RIGHT. AND FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, IT WAS JUST A WAY TO GET THROUGH TO ANOTHER PLACE. RIGHT? IT WASN'T REALLY AN ACCESS TO THEIR DIRECT ACCESS TO THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

SO QUESTION E IF THE CITY CAN WHICH IT CAN LEGALLY ABANDON THE DIRT ROAD, CAN THE CITY DO SO BY A SIMPLE MOTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND BY BLOCKING OFF THE ROAD AND POSTING SIGNS? I SEE SOME HEADS SHAKING? NO. WHY IS IT. WHY IS IT NO TRISH OR JOAN? WOULDN'T THEY HAVE TO FEED IT BACK TO THE OWNERS? THAT'S RIGHT. YEP, THAT'S EXACTLY IT.

THEY HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE OR APPROVE A PLAT.

ONE OR THE OTHER, TYPICALLY.

AND GO RECORD THAT WITH THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE.

YOU'RE RIGHT. THOSE TWO THINGS THEY GOT TO DO AN OFFICIAL COULD BE A COURT ORDER.

IT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT SOME KIND OF OFFICIAL WRITTEN DOCUMENT, USUALLY A PLAT OR A. OR AN ORDINANCE.

AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO RECORD IT AT THE COUNTY.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO IF THEY JUMP THROUGH THAT FORMAL, THOSE FORMAL LEGAL HOOPS, THEY CAN ABANDON IT, RIGHT? UNTIL THEY DO, THAT DOESN'T WORK.

THE SIMPLE MOTION DOESN'T WORK.

THE BLOCKING OFF THE ROAD, POSTING SIGNS BY ITSELF DOESN'T WORK.

IT'S THOSE TWO THINGS OF SOME KIND OF FORMAL WRITTEN PLAT OR ORDINANCE AND THEN RECORDING AT THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE. AND THAT'S THE ONE THING WHEN YOU RECORD SOMETHING AT THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE.

THE WAY I LIKE TO THINK OF IT IS ONCE IT'S RECORDED, IT COUNTS LEGALLY, AS IF EVERYBODY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD KNOWS THAT YOU DID THAT THING, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T KNOW IT COUNTS LEGALLY, AS IF THEY DID KNOW. RIGHT.

SO WHEN WE RECORD A DEED, WE RECORD A PLAT, OR WE UNDO IT BY RECORDING AN ORDINANCE OR A PLAT THAT VACATES.

SAME THING. IT COUNTS AS IF EVERYBODY KNOWS.

RIGHT. AND THE LAW WANTS EVERYBODY TO KNOW.

AND THEN SO THAT'S THE ANSWER TO QUESTION F, RIGHT? IS THE RECORDING WITH THE, THE COUNTY THAT'S PLAT OR ORDINANCE.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT SAME FACT PATTERN GOING.

QUESTION SCENARIO NUMBER THREE THERE.

EXCEPT FOR THIS TIME, THE DIRT ROAD IS DEDICATED BY A RECORDED PLAT, WHICH IS ACCEPTED BY THE CITY RECORDED AT THE COUNTY.

THE ROAD IS IMPROVED WITH ASPHALT AND IT'S USED FOR 12 YEARS.

AND SO WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF THE 12 YEARS OR EVEN AFTER THE END OF TEN YEARS? IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE.

IT'S ALREADY PART OF IT'S ALREADY A CITY STREET BY PLAT.

BUT THAT LONG LENGTH OF TIME, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BY USE EVEN IF THERE WASN'T A PLAT. RIGHT. BUT THEN AFTER IT'S BEEN USED FOR A LONG TIME, THE ROAD FALLS INTO DISREPAIR AND NOBODY USES IT FOR 53 YEARS.

AND YOU KNOW, IT JUST IT JUST, LIKE, GROWN OVER AND NO ONE EVEN KNOWS IT'S THERE ANYMORE. SO QUESTION G IS THE CITY LEGALLY ABLE TO ABANDON THE ROAD AT THAT POINT? OKAY. SO IF THE CITY H IF THE CITY CAN LEGALLY ABANDON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YES. WHAT PROCESSES SHOULD IT FOLLOW TO DO SO? PASS THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE.

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WHAT'S THE 50 NUMBER? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? IT STILL HAS TO BE RECORDED, RIGHT.

WELL, LET'S LET'S READ THE THE STATE STATUTE.

SO IF YOU GO TO THAT NEXT PAGE.

OH. ANYBODY SEE THE 50 ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE ONE? SO A CITY MAY NOT ABANDON A CITY STREET BY NON USE OF THE STREET, BUT RATHER A CITY STREET MUST BE FORMALLY ABANDONED.

BUT THE EXCEPTION IS FOR AFTER 50 YEARS OF NONUSE.

THERE'S A SPECIFIC CITY CODE SECTION WHERE IT IS BY NONUSE AUTOMATICALLY ABANDONED.

SO THAT'S THE EXCEPTION.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO. THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF A PLAT OR AN ORDINANCE AND GO RECORDED AT THE COUNTY, AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY LEGALLY REQUIRED, IF IT WERE ME, I THINK BEST PRACTICE AT A MINIMUM IS JUST TO RECORD SOME DOCUMENT WITH THE COUNTY SAYING, HEY, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED. WE HAD THIS STREET AND NOBODY USED IT FOR 53 YEARS, AND HERE'S THIS STATE LAW THAT SAYS IT'S AUTOMATICALLY ABANDONED.

I'M RECORDING THIS NOTICE OF ABANDONMENT.

THIS DOESN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN. IT ALREADY HAPPENED. THIS IS JUST TELLING EVERYBODY IT DID HAPPEN. HERE YOU GO.

AND THEN, BECAUSE YOU RECORDED IT AT THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE, WHAT DOES IT SAY? IT COUNTS AS IF EVERYBODY KNOWS IT, RIGHT? SO NOBODY CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT.

WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT AUTOMATICALLY HAPPENED. WELL, IT DID AUTOMATICALLY HAPPENED. AND THE CITY FILED A NOTICE INFORMING YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T SEE IT.

IT COUNTED AS IF YOU SAW IT.

SO AFTER 50 YEARS, IT BASICALLY DEFAULTS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL OWNERS.

RIGHT. DESCENDANTS? YEP.

SO THEN YOU'D HAVE THE NORTH PROPERTY OWNER WOULD OWN THE NORTH HALF OF THE ROAD, THE SOUTH WOULD OWN THE SOUTH HALF, WHOEVER THEIR DISSENT WAS THAT EVER HAPPENED.

I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT LAW HAS ONLY BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR LIKE 15 YEARS OR SOMETHING.

SO MAYBE IT HASN'T REALLY HAD TIME TO HAPPEN YET.

AND HE'LL PROBABLY CHANGE BY THE TIME IT COULD HAPPEN.

SO IT'S PROBABLY LARGELY IRRELEVANT, BUT.

YEAH. AND MAYBE YOU TAKE 50 YEARS OF GOOGLE EARTH AND SHOW.

SEE, IT'S GROWN OVER. SEE, IT'S STILL GROWN OVER TWO YEARS.

SEE, TWO YEARS LATER, IT'S STILL GROWN OVER. AND YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. SO MAYBE YOU HAVE TO FILE THAT WITH YOUR NOTICES THAT EVERY TWO YEARS OF GOOGLE PICTURES AND I DON'T KNOW, A THING OF THAT THOUGH, IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A PARTY THAT'S INTERESTED IN TRAFFIC.

I MEAN, IF THIS ROAD IS OVERGROWN, THE CITY IS PROBABLY NOT EVEN PAYING ATTENTION. RIGHT, RIGHT.

YEAH. I MEAN, NOW YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE WISE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY TRY TO GET SOMETHING. YEAH.

MY QUESTION IS, IS I WONDER IF IF UDOT WAS PAYING THE CITY ROAD MILES FOR ALL THOSE YEARS, IT WASN'T BEING USED, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALIZE IT, BUT B AND C ROAD FUNDS, WE GET PAID PER MILE OF DIRT ROAD AND PER MILE OF PAVED ROAD.

AND SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE UDOT WOULD PAY ATTENTION.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE NOT, BUT I KNOW SO YEAH.

SO THAT'S THAT WAS SO, YEAH, THE THAT WAS H.

RIGHT. IF THE CITY CAN LEGALLY ABANDON THE ROAD, WHAT PROCESS? SO IN THIS CASE, IT REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO A PROCESS.

IT WAS AUTOMATIC, BUT PROBABLY WISE TO FILE SOME KIND OF NOTICE THAT IT AUTOMATICALLY HAPPENED. SUBMIT THAT TO THE COUNTY RECORDER.

NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED, BUT JUST A GOOD IDEA.

AND THEN I IS THE PROCESS TO ABANDON A CITY ROAD ANY DIFFERENT IF IT WAS DEDICATED BY PUBLIC USE VERSUS A DEED OR A PLAT JUST IN GENERAL, AS WE'RE AS STREETS ARE ABANDONED EITHER FORMALLY OR AUTOMATICALLY.

IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IF THE ROAD WAS GIVEN TO THE CITY BY A PLAT OR A DEED OR BY BY RIGHT, BY PUBLIC USE? WHAT DO YOU THINK? IT'S ALL THE SAME. YEAH. ONCE THE CITY GETS IT, HOW THE CITY GETS RID OF IT IS ALL THE SAME.

DOESN'T MATTER HOW THE CITY GOT IT.

THE ONLY. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW THE CITY GOT IT, BUT IT MATTERS WHO THE CITY GOT IT FROM, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHO GETS IT BACK.

LIKE, WHAT IF A CITY PURCHASED A PIECE OF LAND TO PUT IN A PUBLIC ROAD AND THEN ABANDONED IT? WHO GETS IT BACK? WELL, IF THEY PURCHASED IT, THEY OWN IT, RIGHT? THEN THE CITY STILL OWNS IT.

SO IF THEY'VE ABANDONED IT, IT'S NOT A ROAD ANYMORE.

BUT THE CITY STILL OWNS IT FOR WHATEVER OTHER PURPOSE THEY WANT IT FOR.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO THEN IF WE GO ON TO.

FOR NOW, WE'VE GOT A WHOLE DIFFERENT FACT PATTERN.

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BECAUSE YOU CAN DEDICATE MORE THAN JUST STREETS.

RIGHT? THE THE DEVELOPER ALSO DEDICATES ON THE SAME PLOT ONE ACRE OF LAND FOR A SMALL PARK ON THE SOUTH SIDE SOUTH EDGE OF THE SUBDIVISION.

AND AFTER 15 YEARS, THE CITY HAS NOT USED THE ONE ACRE OF LAND FOR THIS SMALL PARK.

SO QUESTION JAY THERE.

WHAT OPTIONS DOES THE CITY HAVE CURRENTLY AT THE END OF THE 15 YEARS REGARDING THE ONE ACRE OF LAND? THAT'S ANOTHER MAGIC NUMBER IS 15.

WE'VE HAD TEN, 20, 50.

THERE'S ALSO 15. YEAH, THAT ONE WOULD HAVE TO CHEAT ON ITS ON THE PAGE TWO.

AND THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY IN LUDMER.

SOME OF THESE SECTIONS ARE IN THE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT MANAGEMENT ACT.

SOME ARE NOT. THIS ONE IS IS ACTUALLY IN THE OFFER TO THE GRANTOR.

YES. YEAH. AND BASICALLY I MEAN YOU READ THIS AND IT'S LIKE WHAT DOES THAT REALLY SAY.

BUT IF A CITY PLANS TO DISPOSE OF SURPLUS REAL PROPERTY THAT WAS REQUIRED UNDER THIS SECTION AND HAS BEEN OWNED BY THE CITY FOR LESS THAN 15 YEARS, THE CITY SHALL FIRST OFFER TO RECONVERT THE PROPERTY WITHOUT RECEIVING ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION TO THE PERSON WHO GRANTED THE PROPERTY TO THE CITY.

WHAT IS WITHOUT RECEIVING ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION MEAN YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK FOR FREE. YEAH. YEAH. SO IF THE CITY.

YEAH IT'S GOT A FIRST OFFER.

IT'S GOT TO BASICALLY GIVE IT BACK.

RIGHT. SO IF IT'S LESS THAN 15 YEARS.

RIGHT? IF THE CITY PLAN AND HAS BEEN OWNED BY THE CITY FOR LESS THAN 15 YEARS, THE CITY SHALL FIRST OFFER HAS TO GIVE IT BACK.

SO IF IT'S BEEN 15 YEARS OR 15 YEARS IN ONE DAY, IT'S A LITTLE AFTER 15 YEARS.

WHAT WHAT OPTIONS DOES IT HAVE? DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT. RIGHT? YEAH. AND BUT IF IT'S LESS THAN.

AND SO THERE'S. YEAH. SO THEY'RE EITHER WAY, THEY'RE NOT PAYING ANY MONEY.

RIGHT. THEY'RE EITHER KEEPING IT AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING MORE FOR IT OR THEY'RE NOT KEEPING IT.

THEY'RE GIVING IT BACK AND NOT GETTING ANY MONEY FOR IT.

SO THEN IF WE KEEP THAT SAME FACT PATTERN AND EXCEPT THAT AFTER 12 YEARS THE CITY HASN'T USED THE ONE ACRE OF LAND FOR A SMALL PARK.

AND THEY TRADE IT FOR THEIR DECIDING.

HEY, WE DON'T NEED THIS ONE ACRE POCKET PARK.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE FIVE ACRES OF PARK IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THIS SUBDIVISION.

AND WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS BUY THIS ONE ACRE AND MAKE ASSEMBLE IT TOGETHER INTO A SIX ACRE PARK. AND SO WE WANT TO GET WITH THE LANDOWNER OF THAT ONE ACRE AND SEE IF HE'LL TRADE, AND HE'LL TAKE THIS ONE ACRE, TRADE IT FOR THAT OTHER ACRE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHY NOT? RIGHT. SO GOOD ANSWER.

SO WHAT IF THE GRANTOR SAYS IT'S OKAY AND PUTS IT IN WRITING? IT'S FINE. WELL, THEY HAVE TO OFFER IT BACK FOR FREE.

YEAH, BUT WHAT IF THE.

YEAH. RIGHT.

BASICALLY, IT'S IT'S SUCH A GRAY AREA AND IT HASN'T BEEN USED A LOT.

I THINK THE SMART THING TO DO IS JUST GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING.

AND IF THAT THE, IF THE DEVELOPER WHO DID THE 40 LOT SUBDIVISION.

IF WE CAN GET IN WRITING THAT I'M OKAY WITH YOU DOING THAT TRANSFER.

IT'S IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A SIX ACRE PARK THAN A ONE ACRE AND A FIVE ACRE. THAT'S WHAT I GAVE THE LAND FOR. IT'S STILL BEING USED FOR THAT PURPOSE. I'M OKAY

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SO THEY WENT TO THE DEVELOPER AND SAID, YOU HAVE THIS ONE ACRE OBLIGATED TO YOU WITH NO EFFORT. WE WANT TO COMBINE IT WITH WE WANT TO TRADE IT FOR THE RANGER DEPARTMENT.

AND HE SAID WE'D WALK BACK TO YOU.

THOSE ARE TOUGH FACT PATTERNS, AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. YEAH, YEAH, I THINK JUST EVERYTHING I THINK THE MAIN PRINCIPLES ARE IT NEEDS TO BE ABOVE BOARD, IT NEEDS TO BE OPEN.

IT NEEDS TO BE ARM'S LENGTH.

RIGHT. FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.

AND I THINK IF YOU KEEP THOSE, TAKE THOSE INTO ACCOUNT, I THINK SOMEBODY COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH THE RIGHT SOLUTION.

BUT AT LEAST WITH THESE FIVE PATTERNS.

I JUST WANTED PEOPLE TO YOU GUYS TO GRAPPLE A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, WHAT THE GOVERNING PRINCIPLES ARE.

AND LIKE I SAY, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S JUST BEST PRACTICES OR WAYS TO MINIMIZE ANY LEGAL ISSUES AND FOLLOW THE LAW AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.

ALL AT THE SAME TIME. ANY QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WHILE WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS? OKAY. WELL, THAT'S ALL I HAD.

THANK YOU. DUNCAN. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN FOR 2.5 MINUTES, FOLKS. YEAH. WELCOME, EVERYBODY, TO THE WEST JORDAN PLANNING

[GENERAL MEETING 6:00 p.m.]

ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

FIRST ON THE AGENDA IS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

AND COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IS GOING TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

PLEASE STAND IF YOU ARE ABLE.

READY? BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. OKAY.

[Consent Calendar]

APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING, SEPTEMBER 2ND.

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS UNDER MOTIONS? COMMISSIONER ALLEN, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

WE HAVE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, I'LL SECOND THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT CARRIES SEVEN. SAID NOTHING. OKAY, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING WITH FINAL ACTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

[2. Muñequitos Event Center; 1633 West 7800 South; Conditional Use Permit for Event Center and Personal Instruction Services; CC-C Zone; Muñequitos Event Center LLC (applicant) [Megan Jensen #34841; parcel 21-34-201-048]]

A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE EVENT CENTER AND PERSONAL INSTRUCTION SERVICES.

AND A CC DASH C ZONE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE.

YEAH. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT? DOESN'T HAVE IT ON THERE OKAY. YES.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

MICHAEL LOW. I AM CO-OWNER OF MUNEQUITOS EVENT CENTER.

MUNEQUITOS LITTLE DOLLS.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION FOR US OR.

WELL, WHAT WE ARE DOING, JUST TO ECHO WHAT IS SAID, THAT IS THE CACHE AMERICA BUILDING.

THAT IS THE FORMER CACHE AMERICA BUILDING THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET THAT HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE ENDED UP BUYING IT ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS OR SO AGO, AND WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING THE MUNEQUITOS EVENT CENTER IN TAYLORSVILLE OVER THE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY INCIDENTS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT BEING CALLED, EMERGENCY SERVICES BEING CALLED.

NOTHING LIKE THAT. WHAT OUR EVENT CENTER IS, IT'S UP TO 100 PEOPLE PER THE REQUIREMENTS OF OF WEST JORDAN, IT WILL BE 99 PEOPLE CAPPED.

BUT WHAT IT IS, IT'S FOR FAMILY EVENTS.

I WOULD SAY 70% OF THE EVENTS ARE HISPANIC IN NATURE, AS WAS MENTIONED QUINCEANERAS GRANDMA AND GRANDPA'S 50TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY, STUFF LIKE THAT. AND WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING IN TAYLORSVILLE FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS.

AND TAYLORSVILLE, IF I MAY, QUICKLY WE ARE EXPANDING FROM OUR EVENT CENTER IN TAYLORSVILLE THAT HOUSES 100 PEOPLE AND HOST EVENTS OF 100 PEOPLE TO ONE THAT

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YOU KNOW, WEST JORDAN HAS TO A LARGE EXTENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF IN THIS ZONE.

SO WE ARE MOVING OUR OPERATIONS FROM TAYLORSVILLE, WHICH HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL, TO THE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE PURCHASED SEVEN WEEKS OR SO AGO. HALF OF THE BUILDING.

WELL, THE BUILDING IS 6000FT², HALF THE THE OUT PARCEL PORTION.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S TECHNICALLY THE CORRECT WORD, BUT THE PORTION THAT IS ON 78 SOUTH IS GOING TO BE RENTED.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO TO AT THIS POINT.

WE ARE INTERVIEWING PEOPLE, BUT THE LARGER CACHE AMERICA SPACE, THE SPACE THAT WAS ACTUALLY OCCUPIED BY CACHE AMERICA, WE ARE DIVIDING AND WE ARE THE EVENT CENTER WILL BE IN THE FRONT THAT FACES EAST.

THE PART BEHIND WHICH CASH AMERICA ACTUALLY USED FOR THEIR STORAGE OF THEIR GOODS WILL BE TURNED INTO A DANCE STUDIO.

SO THOSE ARE OUR PLANS.

WE LIKE, LIKE I SAID, AND WAS MENTIONED BY MEGAN.

WE OPERATE ESSENTIALLY FROM 6 P.M.

TILL MIDNIGHT. ALL OF THE EVENTS ARE INSIDE.

THERE'S NOTHING OUTSIDE.

NEVER HAS BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE.

WE DO NOT HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE.

WE DO NOT SERVE ALCOHOL.

AND I THINK THAT'S CONTRIBUTED TO THE FACT THAT WE'VE WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE ANYWHERE.

WE'VE BEEN. SO. ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD UP TO 250 AT YOUR PLACE IN, IN TAYLORSVILLE. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU EXPECT ON A REGULAR BASIS IN YOUR FACILITY? 9999. AND THE DANCE STUDIO, WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WOULD BE OPERATED DURING THE DAY.

ZUMBA CLASSES, SALSA CLASSES.

SO YOU THINK ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS YOU'LL HAVE CLOSE TO 99 PEOPLE? WE WILL. WE WILL WE? LARGELY AT THE TAYLORSVILLE CENTER, WHICH WE HAVE HAVING TO CLOSE DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE TRANSFERRING, AS I MENTIONED, THE LICENSE TO THE NEW BUILDING.

WE HAVE, I WOULD SAY, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 13 EVENTS A MONTH.

AND IN THE LAST THREE YEARS WE'VE HAD, I WANT TO SAY, TWO EVENTS MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.

THEY'RE WEEKEND EVENTS.

WHEN, WHEN WHEN THOSE EVENTS WILL TAKE PLACE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ALLEN? JUST A CLARIFICATION.

YOU MENTIONED IT HERE, AND IT WAS IN THE THE BACKGROUND REPORT ABOUT THE ALCOHOL LICENSE. DO YOU ALLOW THIRD PARTIES TO COME IN? DO YOU HAVE THAT DO HAVE LICENSES? I WE WOULD PERMIT IT ACCORDING TO STATE LAW.

AND WHAT THE STATE LAW IS WITH RESPECT TO EVENT CENTERS IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE. AND WHAT WHAT HAPPENED TO ACTUALLY SERVE THEMSELVES? BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN THAT HAS A LICENSE, THAT IS THAT THAT CAN DO IT.

WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT, PROVIDED IT FOLLOWS ALL THE ASPECTS OF STATE LAW. AND IT WE LOOKED INTO IT AND WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN THAT.

AND WE'VE NEVER HAD SOMEONE DO THAT.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE HAVE ANY.

THANK YOU. MEGAN. THANK YOU.

I'LL JUST FILL IN A FEW THINGS.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS JUST UP HERE AT THE INTERSECTION ON 78TH.

THAT'S THE JORDAN VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT BUILDING THERE.

BELOW IT. THE ZONING IS CITY CENTER THE CORE ZONE.

AND IN THAT ZONE EVENT CENTERS ARE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THE DANCE STUDIO WOULD BE ALSO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SO THIS IS FOR BOTH OF THEM.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN AND THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN.

IT'S BEEN UPDATED A LITTLE BIT BASED ON BUILDING CODE.

BUT BASICALLY HALF OF IT WILL BE FOR THE EVENT CENTER, HALF OF IT FOR THE DANCE STUDIO.

MOST OF THIS WAS MENTIONED.

MOST OF THE EVENTS WILL BE ON THE WEEKENDS.

THEY WILL OPERATE FROM AROUND 6 TO 6 P.M.

TO 12 A.M.. THEY WILL ALSO HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES AT LEAST PRESENT AT EVERY EVENT.

AND THEN THE DANCE CLASSES WOULD BE DURING THE WEEK, UP TO 25 PEOPLE. THESE ARE OUR RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS BASED ON THE INFORMATION.

MOSTLY. SO THE NUMBER, THE FIRST ONE THERE IS THAT THE EMPLOYEES WILL BE THERE ON SITE TO KIND OF MONITOR THINGS AND THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE CONTAINED

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AND WITH THAT, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKING IN THE STAFF REPORT.

IT SAID, I BELIEVE, 35 PARKING STALLS WHEN IF THEY'RE HAVING AN EVENT WITH 99 PEOPLE, I'M FIGURING TWO PEOPLE PER CAR.

THAT'S 50 CARS. RIGHT.

YEAH, THEY DO MEET OUR PARKING CODE.

AND LARRY OR DUNCAN CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

IF WE FEEL THAT PARKING WOULD BE AN ISSUE, THEY WOULD NEED SOME SORT OF ACCESS EASEMENT OR TO PARK ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, CORRECT? BECAUSE I KNOW PARKING ON 7800 SOUTH WOULD BE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC.

RIGHT. WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS OR.

OKAY. YEAH. SO IF THEY MEET CODE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T ADDED A CONDITION FOR THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ALLEN.

NOT THAT ANYBODY'S EVER GOING TO WALK IN AND SAY, OKAY, EVERYBODY RAISE YOUR HANDS. LET'S COUNT. BUT 99, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE TWO EMPLOYEES OR ARE WE TALKING 101 PEOPLE ON PREMISE? I BELIEVE SO.

THE LATTER. INCLUDE THE BUILDING.

SORRY. IS IT BELIEVE THAT THAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE INCLUDED IN THE 99 OR ARE IN ADDITION TO INCLUDED. OKAY, THANKS.

COMMISSIONER HOLLINGSWORTH. SO ON YOUR YOUR YOUR VISUAL OF THE SATELLITE YOU HAVE THAT AREA OUTLINED IN RED. YEAH.

SO WHAT'S WEST OF THAT? WHAT PART OF THAT BUILDING IS WEST, AND IS THAT NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST? IT'S NOT. IT'S ACTUALLY A SEPARATE BUILDING THERE.

JUST VERY CLOSE TO SEPARATE PROPERTY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I WAS JUST CONFUSED WITH THE WAY IT WAS MADE. THAT USED TO BE THE OLD GO GO SHOE STORE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

THEY'RE BUILT LIKE. AND IT ENDED UP BEING A TAX PLACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, THE THE 15 STALLS THAT THE JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRICT ALLOWS IS, ARE THOSE 15 STALLS THAT ARE DEDICATED FOR THIS PROPERTY OWNER, OR ARE THERE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ALSO SHARE THOSE 15 STALLS? AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S JUST FOR BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THIS IS NOTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.

IF YOU'RE ONLINE, RAISE YOUR HAND OR IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE.

STAR NINE. I DON'T SEE A HAND RAISED. OKAY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENT AND OR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER ALLEN. I THINK IT'S A GOOD SPACE.

I LOVE THE FACT THAT IT'S RIGHT OFF OF REDWOOD ROAD, AWAY FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT CLEARLY MEETS ALL OF THE CITY CODES.

SO IF NOBODY ELSE HAS COMMENTS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.

SO IT'S THANK YOU. MEGAN.

BASED ON THE INFORMATION FINDINGS SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT, UPON THE EVIDENCE AND EXPLANATION RECEIVED TODAY, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR MUNEQUITOS EVENT CENTER AT 1633 WEST 1700 SOUTH AND THE C.C.C. ZONE, WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AS DESCRIBED IN THE ANALYSIS OF SECTION FOUR IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE CONDITIONS ARE IMPOSED TO MITIGATE THE REASONABLY ANTICIPATED DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS OF THE PROPOSED USE.

CAN WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER HATCH, I'LL SECOND THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT CARRIES SEVEN. NOTHING. OKAY.

[3. West Jordan Utah Temple and Meetinghouse; 7148/7152 South U-111 Highway; Preliminary Site Plan; PCH Zone; Naylor Wentworth Lund Architects/Jeff Dodge (applicant) [Ray McCandless/Nathan Nelson/Dave Murphy/Paul Brockbank #34577; parcel 2028-201-001, 002]]

71, 48 AND 7152 SOUTH U 111.

THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WITH THE H ZONE AND NADLER.

WENTWORTH BLUNT ARCHITECTS WITH JEFF DODGE.

ARE YOU JEFF? OKAY. GOOD EVENING.

IT'S NICE TO BE HERE FINALLY TO MEET WITH ALL OF YOU.

MY NAME IS JEFF DODGE. I'M WITH NAYLOR WENTWORTH LAW AND ARCHITECTS. I'M THE LEAD

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WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR OVER A YEAR NOW ON TO GET TO THIS POINT IN OUR PLANNING, BOTH THE BUILDING AND THE SITE.

SO I'LL JUST I'LL SPEAK TO THE SLIDES AND JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, BUT IT'S PART OF THE TERRAIN PLANNED COMMUNITY WEST OF U11, RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BASE OF THE OQUIRRH MOUNTAINS. IT'S KIND OF SEATED IN THE FOOTHILLS THAT LIE AT THE BASE OF THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE. I DON'T HAVE A CLICKER.

SO THERE YOU GO. I BROUGHT A LASER POINTER, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK ON ON TV SCREENS.

SO AS I MENTIONED, IT'S IT'S IN THE PLANNED COMMUNITY.

AND THIS SLIDE, THE NEXT ONE TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S PART OF THE PCH, MDA ZONE, THAT PLANNED COMMUNITY HILLSIDE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ZONE.

AND SO THIS SITE HAS ALWAYS BEEN PLANNED FOR THE TEMPLE FOR A RELIGIOUS BUILDING.

SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIATIONS, ANY CONDITIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE'RE ACTUALLY SLIDING RIGHT IN WITHIN THE ZONING OF THIS SITE.

THIS IS OUR OVERALL SITE PLAN.

YOU'LL SEE THE TEMPLE OCCUPIES PRETTY MUCH THE CENTER OF THE SITE.

IT'S THE HIGHEST POINT ON THE SITE.

IT IS A HILLY SITE. WE HAVE THREE BUILDINGS.

THE TEMPLE BUILDING PROPER.

THERE'LL BE A MEETING HOUSE, A STAKE CENTER ON THE SITE TO THE NORTH AND THEN IN BETWEEN. TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE MEETING HOUSE IS A SMALL MAINTENANCE BUILDING THAT HANDLES ALL THE MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT FOR THE ENTIRE SITE FOR BOTH SETS OF BUILDINGS. SITE IS HEAVILY LANDSCAPED.

IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE TEMPLE SITE, WE GO WELL BEYOND TYPICALLY ANY CITY REQUIREMENTS FOR FOR YOUR LANDSCAPING.

IT'S A COMBINATION OF NATURAL TURF AREAS, LOTS OF TREES, SHRUBS DROUGHT RESISTANT PLANTINGS SOME AREAS OF ROCK MULCH.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT OUR WATER USAGE.

TYPICALLY YOU'LL SEE THE OUTDOOR PLAZAS.

THE ONLY FENCING IS RIGHT NEAR THE BUILDINGS.

THE SITE IS OPEN PRETTY MUCH ALL THE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO COME ON THE SITE AND ENJOY THE THE BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING, LOTS OF SIDEWALKS.

YOU'LL SEE THE PARKING IS BROKEN UP BECAUSE OF THE HILLY SITE.

WE TEAR US DOWN AS WE MOVE AWAY FROM THE BUILDING SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS SEA OF ASPHALT. WE REALLY HAVE THESE NON-LINEAR PARKING AREAS THAT ARE AGAIN BROKEN UP BY A LOT OF LANDSCAPING, A LOT OF STONE COVERED LANDSCAPE WALLS THAT BREAK IT UP AS WELL, STEPS AND RAMPS AND SO FORTH.

SO MOVING ON FROM THEIR SITE, CIRCULATION THROUGH THE SITE IS PRETTY WELL LAID OUT PRETTY CAREFULLY, AND WE'VE REVIEWED THIS WITH THE CITY IN A NUMBER OF MEETINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING OUR REQUIREMENTS THERE AS WELL.

THE TEMPLE BUILDING ITSELF IS A FOUR STORY BUILDING, ONE STORY BELOW GRADE THREE ABOVE.

IT RISES TO A HEIGHT OF ABOUT 62FT TO THE TOP OF THE ROOF AND ABOUT 71FT TO THAT PARAPET, THE MAIN PARAPET THAT RUNS ALONG THE BUILDING.

THE STEEPLE ITSELF IS 216FT.

IN THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, THERE WERE NO HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, SO WE'RE NOT VARYING FROM ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS GIVEN US BY THE DEVELOPER.

THE EXTERIOR IS A BEAUTIFUL, VERY LIGHT GRAY STONE FACADE, AND IT'S IT'S BROKEN UP BY BRONZE COLORED METAL WINDOWS WITH LARGE SPANDREL PANELS IN BETWEEN THE WINDOWS. THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES, EVERY WINDOW HAS STAINED GLASS IN IT.

YOU'LL SEE SOME BEAUTIFUL ARTISTIC MOTIFS IN THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES, IN THE SPANDREL PANELS AND UP IN THE CARVED STONEWORK ITSELF.

SO WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE.

THE REST OF THE ELEVATIONS YOU CAN SEE HERE.

SITE FINISHES. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PAVED AREAS PAVERS.

AND SOME OF THOSE PAVERS WILL BE STONE, SOME WILL BE CONCRETE PAVERS TO GIVE SOME VARIATION AS YOU MOVE AROUND THE BUILDING.

WHICH IS PRETTY TYPICAL FOR OUR TEMPLE SITES.

MORE EXPLANATION OF THE SAME THING.

SIGNAGE. WE REALLY ONLY HAVE TWO SIGNS ON THE SITE.

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YOU DRIVE BY JUST RIGHT ON THE BUILDING, AND THEN WE HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S JUST I THINK IT'S LIKE FOUR FEET TALL, 4.5FT TALL, THAT'S JUST OUT IN FRONT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIGHT AS YOU COME IN THE DOUBLE DRIVE ONTO THE SITE. AND THAT'S IT.

IN TERMS OF SIGNAGE, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CHAPEL, AS YOU CAN SEE, PLACE TO THE NORTH OF THE TEMPLE WITH AGAIN PLENTY OF PARKING.

AND I WANT TO SAY ON OUR PARKING, WE ALSO ARE WELL IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE CEDAR REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR. WE'RE MORE THAN DOUBLE, I THINK, THAN ANY OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

WE WANT TO KEEP OUR PEOPLE PARKING ON SITE AND NOT BLEED OFF INTO THE STREETS OR THE OR THE NEIGHBORHOODS OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THE TEMPLE SITE THE CHAPEL EXTERIOR WILL BE A RED BRICK EXTERIOR, A TWO TONE. WE HAVE KIND OF A LIGHTER TONE AROUND THE BASE TO BREAK UP THE WALLS.

DIMENSIONAL SHINGLES ON THE ROOF AND A STEEPLE, A SINGLE STEEPLE AT ONE END.

AND THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING WILL ALSO BE THE SAME MATERIALS.

SO IT'S KIND OF A THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OF A CAMPUS THERE BECAUSE THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING IS RIGHT UP BY THE CHAPEL.

YEAH. YOU CAN KEEP FLIPPING THROUGH THOSE. THAT'S OUR MAINTENANCE BUILDING.

WE WANTED THOSE TWO BUILDINGS TO BE OF A SIMILAR NATURE TO ONE ANOTHER.

AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

SO I JUST GOT ONE QUICK QUESTION.

IS THIS THE SAME DESIGN AS YOUR TAYLORSVILLE TEMPLE? NO. SO IT'S DIFFERENT.

IT'S QUITE DIFFERENT. TAYLORSVILLE IS A SQUARE TEMPLE WITH A SINGLE SPIRE IN THE CENTER. THIS IS MORE WHAT WE CALL THE PIONEER PROPORTION, BUT A MODERN RENDERING OF THAT.

SO IT'S THE RECTANGULAR LAYOUT WITH THE STEEPLE AT ONE END.

OKAY. SO YEAH. QUITE DIFFERENT.

THANK YOU. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. IF WE DO, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. YEP. RAY.

THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE APPLICANT DID A GREAT JOB OF DESCRIBING WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED ON THE SITE, WHAT THE BUILDING'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, THE OVERALL SITE DESIGN REALLY LIKE IT FROM A STAFF LEVEL BECAUSE IT'S THE PARKING AREAS ARE KIND OF CONFIGURED IN A KIND OF A CIRCULAR AND ARC.

IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL RECTANGULAR PARKING LOT.

SO I THINK THEY'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB ON THE DESIGN OF THE THE BUILDING AND LANDSCAPING AND THE SITE LAYOUT WITH THIS PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND HOW IT'S THE SITE'S GOING TO BE ACCESSED THROUGH THE TERRAIN DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING IS FOR PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

AND WE'VE MADE A COUPLE WE'VE LISTED THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

AND ONE OF THOSE IS THAT IT WILL NEED TO HAVE A TERRAIN PLOT FIVE RECORDED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE SITE.

WE'VE GOT PHASES ONE THROUGH FOUR WHICH HAVE BEEN RECORDED NOW.

SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THAT PLOT FIVE IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.

THE OTHER THING THAT WILL NEED TO HAPPEN IS THAT THESE TWO BUILDINGS WILL BE ON DIFFERENT LOTS. AND SO WE'LL GO THROUGH A MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S AT A STAFF LEVEL.

SO REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER ON THAT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER ALLAN, DO WE HAVE AN EXPECTATION ON THAT PLAT FIVE WILL COME FORWARD? I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'LL GO FORWARD AT THE FIRST OF NEXT YEAR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. THANKS, RAY. THIS HAS BEEN NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS, YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

JUST COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME IF YOU'RE ONLINE.

RAISE YOUR HAND OR ON THE PHONE.

STAR NINE.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SCOTT HARDY.

I AM A RESIDENT OF WEST JORDAN AND A RESIDENT OF THE SYCAMORES NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE PROPOSED TEMPLE SITE.

I'M ALSO A REALTOR WHO SPECIALIZES IN SELLING HOMES IN WEST JORDAN, AND I'LL THERE'S A CONNECTION THERE, AND I'LL GET I'LL GET TO THAT.

BUT I WANTED TO JUST SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION OUR EXCITEMENT AS WEST JORDAN

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AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE A FEW WITH YOU, SARAH SAYS.

SO EXCITED FOR THIS. LIKE NINE SHOWS FOR SO, SO EXCITED FOR THIS.

JOHN SAID THIS IS SUPER EXCITING.

WE LOVE THIS. JILL SAID THIS WILL BE AMAZING.

ASHLEY SAID THE TEMPLE WILL BE A VERY PRETTY VIEW.

TIFFANY SAYS THIS WILL BLESS THE LIVES OF SO MANY IN THE WEST JORDAN COMMUNITY.

SHERRY SAID ASIDE FROM THE RELIGIOUS ASPECT, THIS WILL BE GREAT FOR PROPERTY VALUES.

WENDY SAID I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THAT RELIGION, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT THAN A BUNCH OF HIGH DENSITY HOUSING.

WHETHER YOU'RE RELIGIOUS OR NOT, THIS IS MUCH BETTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AMY SAID I'D RATHER HAVE A TEMPLE THAN A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS.

AT LEAST OUR HOME VALUES WILL GO UP.

CHRIS SAID NOT A HUGE FAN OF THE POTENTIAL LIGHT POLLUTION THAT IT MAY GIVE OFF, BUT THAT WILL LIKELY BE NEGLIGIBLE AND CANCELED OUT ONCE THE 3000 OR SO HOMES ARE BUILT IN THE TERRAIN DEVELOPMENT.

SO AND THERE'S MANY, MANY MORE.

THERE WERE NEARLY 50 PLUS COMMENTS.

BUT JUST TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL LIGHT POLLUTION ISSUE THAT SOME MAY, MAY BRING UP AND THE TERRAIN DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE OVER ABOUT 2800 HOMES PROPOSED TO BE BUILT THERE. ABOUT 100 ALREADY FINISHED AND COMPLETED OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

IF WE JUST TAKE THREE LIGHTS PER HOUSE, TWO CARRIAGE LIGHTS ON THE GARAGE, ONE PORCH LIGHT, MULTIPLY THAT BY 2800 HOUSES.

THAT'S 8400 LIGHT BULBS AT 60W APIECE.

THAT'S OVER 500,000W OF LIGHT ILLUMINATION JUST FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT WILL FAR OUTWEIGH ANY ILLUMINATION FROM THE TEMPLE THAT IT WILL GIVE OFF IN THE EVENING. AS A REALTOR, I WENT AND TOURED ALL OF THE BUILDERS MODEL HOMES AND SPOKE WITH ALL OF THE REALTORS THAT ARE REPRESENTING BUILDERS AND MEETING WITH POTENTIAL FUTURE HOMEBUYERS, AND ASK THEM WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR WHEN THEY COME IN AND LOOK FOR HOMES TO BUILD SITE LOCATIONS.

AND THEY SAID ABOUT 80% OF BUYERS ARE COMING IN AND ASKING, WHERE'S THE TEMPLE? WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE BUILT? WHAT HOMES DO YOU HAVE THAT WILL GIVE ME A DIRECT VIEW LINE OF SIGHT? IS THAT MY THREE MINUTES? YEP. YOUR THREE MINUTES IS UP. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS, BUT MY NAME IS LAURA, LAURA JACOBSON. GOOD EVENING.

I'M A RESIDENT OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.

I WOULD LIKE I, I WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WESTERN TEMPLE AND MEETINGHOUSE, AND TO KINDLY ASK FOR YOUR FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION. TEMPLES ARE SACRED PLACES OF WORSHIP FOR MEMBERS OF OUR FAITH.

IT IS A PLACE WHERE WE CAN PARTICIPATE IN DEEPLY MEANINGFUL AND SACRED RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES. THEY ARE DESIGNED TO BE PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL AND RESPECTFUL ADDITIONS TO ANY NEIGHBORHOOD. I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME MAY HAVE CONCERNS AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE RESPECTFULLY.

I DEEM IT IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT TEMPLES ARE TYPICALLY LOW TRAFFIC BUILDINGS, WITH VISITORS COMING BY APPOINTMENT.

THEY ARE NOT A SOURCE OF COMMUNITY DISTURBANCE AND THEY OPERATE WITH MINIMAL IMPACT ON SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

IN FACT, THEY OFTEN BECOME CHERISHED LANDMARKS, BEING WELL MAINTAINED WITH BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING AND INSPIRING ARCHITECTURE.

MORE THAN ANYTHING, A TEMPLE REPRESENTS OUR COMMITMENT TO FAITH, FAMILY AND COMMUNITY, AND THE TEMPLE.

I GET TO REMEMBER MY ANCESTORS AND THOSE WHO HAVE PASSED ON BEFORE ME.

I ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STRENGTHEN MY VALUES, SERVE OTHERS, AND FIND SPIRITUAL RENEWAL.

FOR MANY OF US, IT WOULD BE A PROFOUND BLESSING TO HAVE TO HAVE A TEMPLE SO CLOSE.

I'D BE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE A TEMPLE BUILT IN WEST JORDAN.

FOR ME, TEMPLES ARE A PLACE OF PEACE AND REFUGE, WHERE I CAN FEEL TRUE JOY.

AND HAVING ONE SO CLOSE, SO CLOSE WOULD BE A DREAM COME TRUE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN ALLOWING THE TEMPLE TO BE BUILT IN OUR CITY. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I'M GARY LANGSTON WITH THIRD CADENCE, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT'S WORKING ON TERRAIN.

IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THAT THIS PROJECT IS COMING ALIVE.

AND CLEARLY, THE TEMPLE WAS A KEY COMPONENT OF OUR MASTER PLAN.

AND AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER THESE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

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CLEARLY, AS THE DEVELOPER, WE'RE VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THE TEMPLE.

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL PARTNER.

WE'VE COORDINATED HEAVILY WITH THEM IN TERMS OF THE SITE PLAN, COORDINATING ON THE GRADING, THE SITE LOCATION AND ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO INTO THAT. SO WITH THAT IN MIND AS THE DEVELOPER, WE'RE ANXIOUS TO SEE THE BUILDING BE APPROVED AND GET STARTED WITH CONSTRUCTION.

AND WE WOULD ALSO ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF IT.

SO THANK YOU. ONE LAST QUESTION, BY THE WAY.

PLOT FIVE WILL BE RECORDED IN A TIMELY MANNER.

WE WON'T HOLD IT UP IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

ANYBODY ONLINE? I DON'T SEE A HAND RAISED.

OKAY, THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENT AND OR MOTIONS. COMMISSIONER ALLEN.

IF NOBODY ELSE IS INTERESTED IN TALKING, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. OKAY.

BASED ON THE INFORMATION FINDINGS SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND UPON THE EVIDENCE AND EXPLANATION RECEIVED TODAY, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR THE WEST JORDAN UTAH TEMPLE AND MEETINGHOUSE ON 16.023 ACRES LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY 7148 7152 SOUTH U111 HIGHWAY.

WITH THE CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS OF APPROVAL LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

WE HAVE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ.

I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? CARRIES SEVEN. NOTHING.

THANK YOU. EVERYBODY. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN OUR MEETING. WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.