[Pre-Meeting 5:30 p.m.] [00:00:10] WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE PRE MEETING FOR THE WEST JORDAN PLANNING COMMISSION OCTOBER 7TH, 2025. WE HAVE SIX OF THE SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT. SO GO AHEAD AND START. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH. THE AGENDA FROM LAST TIME. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR. OKAY. NEXT. WE ARE THE PEARSON FARMS. AND IT LOOKS LIKE MARK YOU'RE UP. YEAH. SO PEARSON FARMS IS A 55 LOT SUBDIVISION THAT GOT APPROVED, GOT FINAL APPROVAL SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. AND SO THEY'VE RECORDED THE PLAT SINCE THEN AND STARTED CONSTRUCTION. SO RIGHT NOW, BEFORE THEY KIND OF START GETTING INTO THE THE BIGGER IMPROVEMENTS, THEY WANTED TO KIND OF FINALIZE THE THE FENCING, WANTED TO RELOOK AT THAT, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE CANAL. SO THEY'RE REQUESTING A SOLID VINYL FENCE. SO YEAH, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MARK? WE JUST SAW IT. IT GOT THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FROM HERE. SO IS THERE A WHAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION. SO A LOT OF THE JUSTIFICATION IS REALLY JUST KIND OF THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PUTTING UP A CHAIN LINK FENCE, WHICH WAS REQUIRED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK IN DECEMBER WHEN THEY GOT THEIR PRELIMINARY APPROVALS. SO MOSTLY THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT HAVING A TWO FENCE SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE PUT UP BY THE DEVELOPER, AND THEN THE HOMEOWNER WANTS PRIVACY, AND SO THEY'LL END UP PUTTING UP A VINYL FENCE RIGHT BEHIND IT. AND SO THEIR ARGUMENT IS THAT IT'S REALLY JUST DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN THAT. AND IF IT EVER GETS TAGGED, IT WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE TO CLEAN OFF. SO OTHER THING IS THEY'VE JUST KIND OF LOOKED ALONG THE CANAL AND SEEN SOME OF THE FENCING ALONG THERE. IT'S REALLY KIND OF A MIX OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. THERE'S CHAIN LINK, THERE'S VINYL, THERE'S PRECAST CONCRETE, THERE'S EVEN CHAIN LINK WITH TARPS OVER IT OR WEEDS OR PRETTY MUCH ALL KINDS. SO. SO YEAH, THEY, THEY FIGURED THAT A VINYL FENCE MIGHT MATCH SOME OF THE OTHER VINYL FENCES THAT ARE ALONG THERE. SO I'M NOT DEBATING IT. IT'S MORE OF A CURIOSITY FROM THE. WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT INFALLIBLE. WE'VE MADE A LOT OF DECISIONS BASED ON INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I THINK A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WHEN LARRY KIND OF JUMPED IN AND SAID, HEY, LET'S BRING THE THE APPLICANT BACK UP AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE CONDITION OR THAT THEY CAN MEET THE CONDITION. I DON'T THINK THIS IS ONE WHERE WE DID THAT, OR MAYBE WE DID AND THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT. I DON'T QUITE RECALL, BUT IS THERE NOT A I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN APPEALS PROCESS THAT THEY WENT THROUGH. WELL. SO THIS ISN'T A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO THERE WASN'T A CONDITION TO MITIGATE ANY DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS. IT JUST IS IN THE CODE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF FENCING. SO AND DUNCAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPEALABLE OR IF IT'S CORRECT TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST FOR THEM TO RECONSIDER THEIR DECISION BEFORE THEY APPEAL IT. YEAH. SO I MEAN, EITHER COULD HAPPEN IF SOMEBODY APPEALS IT, THEN YOU'D DEAL WITH THE APPEAL. BUT IF NOBODY'S APPEALED, THEN IT IS APPROPRIATE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH. JUST TO BE CLEAR. YEAH. LARRY'S RIGHT. THIS THIS WASN'T A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IT WAS JUST A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. BUT WE DID HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS OF APPROVAL ON THERE. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT RATHER THAN A 30 DAY APPEAL PROCESS. AND THIS IS ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS GIVING YOU DISCRETION TO DETERMINE IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S BEST FOR THE CITY TO WHAT TYPE OF FENCE TO CONSTRUCT. AND SO YOU HAVE THAT DISCRETION. SO AND I CAN SHED SOME I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED THE APPLICANT CAME UP AFTERWARDS. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHAIN LINK. AND WE SAID IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE CHAIN LINK, BRING IT BACK AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT AGAIN. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THIS IS HERE, GREG. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. [00:05:12] NEXT IS THE ADDENBROOKE PHASE FIVE, THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE RAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. THE SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED ABOUT 61ST WEST, JUST SOUTH OF 7800 SOUTH WEST SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR, IT'S MOSTLY BUILT. THERE'S A STILL PHASE FIVE THAT HASN'T BEEN CONSTRUCTED. ALL THE OTHER PHASES ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO IT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED BACK IN 20 1516, AND THE PHASES HAVE BEEN MARCHING ALONG. BACK IN 2020, THE FINAL PLANS FOR PHASE FIVE WERE APPROVED BY THE CITY, BUT NOTHING EVER GOT BUILT. SO THE APPROVAL EXPIRED AND NOW IT'S COMING. SO WE HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN. ALL THE DENSITIES, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, THOSE WERE ALL ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2015. SO THIS IS BASICALLY A RE-APPROVAL OF THIS, THE SAME PLAN. THE LAYOUTS HAVEN'T CHANGED. A NUMBER OF UNITS HAVEN'T CHANGED. IT'S THERE'S SO IT'S IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THE ONLY THING THAT THAT CAME TO MIND AFTER I'D WRITTEN THE STAFF REPORT WAS THAT BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS 2021. THE APPLICANT CAME BACK IN AND WANTED TO DO THREE STORY BUILDINGS, BUT THAT WENT THROUGH A FULL PROCESS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL ESTABLISHED, WHERE THE TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS COULD BE LOCATED AS PART OF PHASES TWO AND FIVE. SO I THINK WE AND THAT WAS DONE BY ORDINANCE OR SET BY ORDINANCE. AND SO I THINK IT'S AN ADDED REQUIREMENT OF APPROVAL. I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT TIED BACK IN WITH, WITH THIS, THIS APPROVAL. AND I'VE GOT ON THE MOTION, I'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT DOES THAT. DO THEY HAVE AN MDA? I THINK YES THEY DO. THIS IS WAY BACK. THE MDA ALLOWED A THREE STORY BUILDINGS. WHAT WAS THAT? IF THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY PUT THE MDA WOULD NEED TO REFLECT IT AS WELL. IT NEEDS TO SAY YES IN BOTH LOCATIONS. YOU KNOW, I CAN'T QUITE FRANKLY, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE WAS AN MDA THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF I THINK IT WAS DONE BY, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? I THINK I GOT IT, HAD MY STAFF REPORT. IT WAS THEY CALLED IT RATIFIED. YEAH, YEAH. THROUGH COUNCIL ACTION RATHER THAN THE MDA. SO. BUT YEAH ONCE ONCE THE COUNCIL'S APPROVED OF IT THEN, THEN YOU DON'T NEED ANY FURTHER LEGISLATIVE ACTION AS LONG AS THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAST UPDATED LEGISLATIVE ACTION, WHICH YOU'RE SAYING IT IS, RIGHT? IT IS. YEAH. SO THIS ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, JUST AS LONG AS IT REFLECTS THAT LAST LEGISLATIVE ACTION, THEN WE'RE AND WE'RE OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. NEXT ARE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL ACTION. AND FIRST ONE THERE IS THE TEXT AMENDMENT HOMEOWNERSHIP PROMOTION ZONE. AND WHO'S DOING IT FOR TAYLOR OKAY OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS ONGOING CODE STEMMING FROM STATE ORDINANCE CHANGES TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER TOOL WHICH WE CAN USE IN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN, WHICH WE HAVE TO TURN INTO THE STATE EVERY YEAR. THIS WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE UTILIZATION OF THE HOMEOWNERSHIP PROMOTION ZONE AND LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES THAT QUALIFY WITH THAT LAW, WHICH IS ESTABLISHED IN SENATE BILL 168. KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS OF IT IS IT REQUIRES ALL HOMES TO BE AT 80% OR LESS OF THE MEDIAN COUNTY PRICE FOR THAT SAME UNIT TYPE, AND THEY NEED TO BE DEED RESTRICTED FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS. IT'S LIMITED TO PARCELS THAT ARE UNDER TEN ACRES IN SIZE, AND THEIR DENSITY HAS TO BE OVER SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND ONE OF THE TOOLS THEY GET FOR DOING THAT IS THEY GET ACCESS TO SOME. TAX INCREMENT FUNDING. THE TAXING ENTITIES [00:10:03] CAN'T SAY NO, AND THAT TAX INCREMENT CAN BE USED TO DEVELOP LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND STUFF THAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE THE PROJECTS WORK. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. I JUST A QUESTION THAT'S A LITTLE OFF TOPIC. SO THIS IS KIND OF LIKE THE OLD AND SOME OF US THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT UP THERE IN AGE. THE FARM LOANS THAT USED TO YOU COULD GET THAT YOU HAD TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE FOR X AMOUNT OF YEARS AND, AND ALL THAT IS THAT THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. I KNOW NOT ENTIRELY, BECAUSE IF YOU BUY ONE OF THE HOMES THAT ARE IN THE DEED RESTRICTION, YOU COULD STILL SELL IT OFF. IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE SOLD AT A AN AFFORDABLE HOUSE PRICE WHEN YOU SELL IT OFF UNTIL THAT TEN YEAR OR LONGER, THE MDAS WHICH THEY'D HAVE TO NEGOTIATE COULD ACTUALLY STIPULATE A LONGER DEED RESTRICTION ON THAT. SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THEY COULD BE SOLD OFF WITHIN THAT TEN YEARS, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT THE 80% RATE. BUT IT'S A SIMILAR PROGRAM. THAT'S WHAT I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, YES. I WASN'T ALIVE WHEN THAT HAPPENED. I'M SURE YOU WEREN'T. OKAY. LARRY PROBABLY REMEMBERS SOME OF THOSE. I THINK THE DIFFERENCE 235 WAS A MORE INCOME RESTRICTED THAN IT WAS VALUE OF HOME. AND BOTH. YEAH, BUT YOU COULD BUY THE HOME AND JUST STAY IN IT AND HAVE THAT $75 PAYMENT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE. BUT THIS IS I'LL SIGN UP FOR THAT ONE. YEAH. THIS IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. SO, TAYLOR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MENTIONED, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ACTUALLY ASKED US TO TO LOOK INTO THIS, TO USE THIS TOOL TO THE STATE HAS CREATED. SO YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. HOW WOULD THIS ZONE BE APPLIED? WOULD ALL THE HOMES IN THAT AREA BE UNDER THE SAME ZONING, OR WOULD THEY BE INTERSPERSED THROUGHOUT OTHER COMMUNITIES? YEAH. SO YOU'D HAVE TO APPLY IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS TO THE PROPERTY. IT CAN'T BE ON A PARCEL LARGER THAN TEN ACRES IN SIZE, AND IT'S ACTUALLY LIMITED TO IT CAN'T BE USED FOR MORE THAN 100 ACRES WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO BECAUSE TAX INCREMENT IS COLLECTED FROM THOSE TAXING ENTITIES, WE ARE IN THE SAME POT AS ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO IT WOULD BE A PARCEL WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL THE STANDARDS AND BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THAT 100 ACRES BEING USED UP ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY. MY CONCERN IS JUST HAVING A WHOLE COMMUNITY OF HOMES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT IF YOU GET A WHOLE COMMUNITY OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL IT KIND OF STIGMATIZES THE COMMUNITY. SO YEAH, IT'S LIKE SECTION EIGHT HOUSING. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IT USED AS YOU'RE MENTIONING, IT WILL BE USED INTERSPERSED THROUGHOUT REGULAR COMMUNITY. SO THERE'S NO DEGRADATION TO THE NEIGHBORS OR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF HOUSING THEY'RE IN. SO, COMMISSIONER, SO YOU'RE SO THIS WILL BE A SUBDIVISION. IT WON'T BE A LOT HERE, A LOT HERE, A LOT HERE. IT'LL IT WILL HAVE SOME CONNECTIVITY. RIGHT? I MEAN, LESS THAN TEN ACRES. YEAH. AND IT HAS A MINIMUM DENSITY OF SIX UNITS PER ACRE. SO, SO YOU PROBABLY WOULD SEE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 15 AND 60 UNITS DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL IT GOES IN. THAT WOULD BE IS THERE A REASON WHY WE HAVE TO DO IT IN ONE COMMUNITY, OR IS THERE A WAY WE CAN DO IT. IS THAT THE STATE REQUIRING THAT IT BE IN ONE COMMUNITY? YEAH, THIS IS PURELY A FUNCTION OF STATE LAW, RIGHT. AS THIS PARTICULAR TOOL. AND THEN THE CITY WANTS TO TO USE IT. BUT YEAH, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DISCRETION. YOU AND YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL THOSE MINIMUM. YEAH. IT WOULD ALSO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ADMINISTER HOW WE MAKING SURE WE'RE MEETING THAT MINIMUM SIX UNITS PER ACRE. IF WE'RE KIND OF SPOT ZONING IT INTO DIFFERENT SPOTS THAT ARE SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT EACH KIND OF EACH APPLICATION TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS INDIVIDUALLY. NOW, THE STATE DOES HAVE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS PROGRAMS AND FOR THEIR SIMILAR DEED RESTRICTIONS AND THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. BUT SO THAT CAN BE KIND OF SPRINKLED THROUGH THE COMMUNITY. YEAH, JUST I WOULD PREFER NOT HAVING A COMMUNITY THAT'S ALL SORT OF KNOWN AS THAT KIND OF COMMUNITY. JUST IT JUST DOESN'T DO ANY FAVORS TO THE RESIDENTS. SO BUT I GET WHAT THE STATE'S DOING. THAT SAID, 80% OF COUNTY AVERAGE HOME PRICES, I THINK I WOULD NEED A RAISE TO AFFORD SOMETHING LIKE THAT TODAY. SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY CHEAP EITHER. THANK YOU. NO, I GET PAID FINE. BUT HOUSING IS CRAZY EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, HALF A MILLION PLUS IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. SO I THINK HE'S ASKING FOR A RAISE. SCOTT, I'M. I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT. TAYLOR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER. ALLENSWORTH. SO AS FAR AS THE [00:15:13] DEED RESTRICTIONS GO, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS? I BUY THE HOME. UNDER THAT DEED RESTRICTION, I WANT TO SELL IT BEFORE THE TEN YEARS IS UP. HOW DOES THAT MECHANISM CARRY THROUGH? I'LL HAVE TO BE RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY SO THEY'LL COME UP IN ANY TITLE REPORTS AND SELL DOCUMENTS FOR YOUR HOME. SO IT'S RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY. BUT WHAT'S STILL PREVENTING ME FROM SELLING IT MORE THAN THE DEED RESTRICTION? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT REALLY WORK? YEAH. SO THE CITY WOULD ENFORCE THAT, WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS THE EXACT MECHANISM WHEN THESE COME THROUGH WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT WE DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, WHERE THE CITY COULD PLACE LIENS ON THE PROPERTY OR HAVE HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THE LOANS BEFORE THE DEED RESTRICTION EXPIRES. SO PART OF THAT TAX INCREMENT CAN BE USED BY THE CITY TO FUND THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE DEED, RESTRICTION OF THE PROPERTIES. BUT THOSE, LIKE I SAID, WOULD BE DEVELOPED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AS WE GO THROUGH THAT MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND SEE HOW MUCH TAX INCREMENT THEY'RE GETTING AND HOW MUCH THEY ALL OF ALL OF THE FUN THINGS WE'LL HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WHEN THEY TRY TO COME THROUGH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT FURTHER CLARIFICATION, THERE'S NOT REALLY A WHOLE LOT OF NEED FOR ENFORCEMENT ON THE CITY'S PART BECAUSE WITH IT BEING A DEED RESTRICTION, WHEN THE TITLE IS PROCESSED, WHEN THE TITLE COMPANY IS PROCESSING THE FILE AND GETTING READY TO DO TITLE INSURANCE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO INSURE IT WITHOUT THE CITY THAT BASICALLY THEY'RE GOING TO PLACE A COURTESY CALL TO THE CITY AND SAY, DOES THIS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS DEED RESTRICTIONS? CITY'S GOING TO SAY, YEAH. AND THE THE PROCESS GOES THROUGH, OR ELSE THE CITY IS GOING TO SAY NO, AT WHICH POINT THE TITLE COMPANY IS GOING TO SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO INSURE THE TITLE, THE TITLE POLICY ON THIS, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT GETTING A MORTGAGE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO IT KIND OF IS SELF-DEFEATING. YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME CALL FOR OVERSIGHT, BUT IN GENERAL TERMS IT SHOULD BE SELF ENFORCING. RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DID YOU SAY THAT THERE'S A MAXIMUM OF 100 ACRES FOR THE ENTIRE JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRICT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO IS IT A SIMILAR SITUATION ON OUR END? LET'S SAY SOMEBODY COMES IN AND APPLIES FOR THIS. DO WE THEN REACH OUT TO THE STATE OR THE COUNTY AND SAY, HOW MANY ACRES ARE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR? SO MY READING OF SB 168 DOES NOT EXEMPT ANYONE ELSE FROM THAT ACREAGE TOTAL, EXCEPT FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS. THEY MUST NOT LIKE YOU AS MUCH. SO THEY MANAGE IT. SO WALK THROUGH THAT AGAIN. I'M. I'M MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO THE LIMIT TO 100 ACRES TOTAL. THAT'S ONLY CALLED OUT FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS. IT DOESN'T CALL THAT OUT FOR ANY OTHER TAXING ENTITY. YEAH, BUT WHAT ABOUT SOUTH JORDAN WANTS TO TAKE 50 ACRES. OH, THAT'S WHAT HE WAS GETTING AT. OH, YEAH. SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE WATER DISTRICT. NO. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY AND SEE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEND A QUALIFIED PUBLIC NOTICE TO ALL TAXING ENTITIES THAT WOULD GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THEY WOULD COMMUNICATE WITH US IF THAT 100 ACRES HAS ALREADY BEEN ACHIEVED, SO ARE THEY KIND OF THE OVERSEER OF ALL OF THAT THEN? YEAH, WE WOULDN'T LET IT GO THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD, THOUGH. WE'VE GOT GOOD CONNECTIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND IF WE HAD A REQUEST TO COME IN, THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST MY FIRST PHONE CALL. HEY, MR. FENTON, WHAT'S GOING ON? HAVE YOU HAD ANY OTHER REQUESTS? AND WE WOULD. WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT FIRST OFF. SO NOBODY'S EVER SAID THIS ABOUT POLITICS BEFORE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF EXTRA HOOPS. I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. NEXT TEXT AMENDMENT IS PARKING LOT RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND THE CITY CODE. 13 DASH 12 SIX C AND LOOKS LIKE LARRY HERE. SO THIS ORDINANCE IS MOSTLY TO CLARIFY. THERE'S BEEN SOME ENFORCEMENT ISSUES BECAUSE OF HOW I THINK MUDDY THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN. IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO ENFORCE IT. AND I'LL GET INTO WHAT THE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES. BUT FIRST OF ALL, THE ORDINANCE, THE PURPOSE STATEMENT, I SIMPLY. YEAH, IT WAS VERY, VERY VERBOSE. AND I JUST GOT RID OF ALL THE VERBOSE LANGUAGE AND SAID, THIS IS TO REGULATE PARKING. I THINK THAT'S ALL IT NEEDS TO SAY. AND THEN ANOTHER THING THAT WAS REMOVED IS. NUMBER EIGHT IS RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARKING. AND THIS WAS REALLY A, A, AN [00:20:08] ITEM THAT HAD BEEN IN THE ORDINANCE FOR A LONG TIME THAT REQUIRED CONDOMINIUMS OR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS TO DO RECREATIONAL PARKING, BUT I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING ENFORCED FOR DECADES IN THIS CITY. SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT LEFT IN, WE CAN LEAVE IT IN OR IT CAN BE TAKEN OUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN AMENITY THEY CAN PUT IN ANYWAY WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT IF THEY COME IN, AND THEN THE REST OF IT WAS MORE JUST ADDING, CHANGING A WORD HERE OR THERE INSTEAD OF OTHER PARKING LIKE ADDITIONAL PARKING, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THEN A LOT OF IT WAS JUST MOVING THINGS TO A SECTION THAT WAS PARKING BY SPECIFIC USES, AND IT ALL USED TO FALL UNDER THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX AREAS. AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION WOULD COME IN, BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL, NO, THIS SAYS INDUSTRIAL, BUT IT SAYS, SO WE'VE JUST MOVED IT BY USE. ONE ADDITION THAT HAS BEEN DONE IS ON 13, 12, 6A3. IT SAYS IN A SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX AREA, NO REQUIRED PARKING SHALL BE LOCATED IN THE REQUIRED FRONT CORNER LOT SIDE YARD. AND YOU'D SAY, WELL, PEOPLE PARK IN THEIR FRONT YARD ALL THE TIME. YES THEY DO, BUT WE'RE TALKING. YOU GOTTA REMEMBER WHAT REQUIRED PARKING IS IN WEST JORDAN FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, AND THAT IS TWO SPACES IN A GARAGE. NOW, IF THEY FILL THEIR GARAGE UP WITH WHATEVER PEOPLE FILL THEIR GARAGE UP WITH, THEY USUALLY PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY. BUT WHAT WE HAVE PUT IN HERE IS AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOW THIS NEW ANIMAL THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR FIVE YEARS, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. AND IT'S REQUIRED BY STATE. THE STATE CAN SAYS CITIES CAN REQUIRE AN OFF STREET PARKING. AND SO THAT IS ONE SPACE THAT THEY CAN PUT IN THE FRONT YARD. THAT IS THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. AND LIKE I SAID, THE REST OF IT WAS JUST MOVING THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THE DRIVEWAY REQUIREMENTS CHANGED. THEY WERE JUST MOVED. THE MULTIFAMILY REQUIREMENTS ARE ALL THE SAME. AGRICULTURAL USES ARE ARE THE SAME, WITH THE EXCEPTION IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE IN AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE, THEN THEY NEED TO FOLLOW THE REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL USE TO SAY THEY SOMEHOW PUT A RETAIL STORE IN AGRICULTURAL ZONE WHERE WE DON'T WANT THEM PARKING ON DIRT, AND TO TRACK OUT ONTO THE ROAD AND GET US IN TROUBLE WITH THE COUNTY ON OUR STORMWATER POLLUTION THING. SO THEY NEED TO PUT ASPHALT DOWN COMMERCIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL OFFICE USES. THAT HASN'T CHANGED. THE THING THAT HAS CHANGED IS IN INDUSTRIAL AND MANUFACTURING USES. WHAT IS NOT CHANGED IS ALL DRIVEWAYS NEED TO BE CONCRETE OR ASPHALT, BUT REQUIRED PARKING AND AGAIN, REQUIRED PARKING IS WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE CODE FOR PARKING. THE CONFUSION CAME IN. WELL, PEOPLE ARE PUTTING DOING STORAGE WHICH OUTDOOR STORAGE IS ALLOWED IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. BUT SOME STAFF WAS CALLING THAT PARKING WHEN IT'S A STORAGE AREA THAT CAN BE CRUSHED ROCK, RECYCLED ASPHALT OR GRAVEL. BUT IT'S NOT. BUT THE REQUIRED PARKING CANNOT. THE REQUIRED PARKING IS HOW MANY EVER SPACES YOU NEED FOR THAT USE. BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING OR THE USE HAS TO BE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE. AND WE GENERALLY WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT IF YOU'RE IN A DRINKING WATER SOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE, WHICH THE CITY HAS SEVERAL WELLS IN THE CITY, AND WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE AQUIFER, THEN EVEN THE STORAGE AREA NEEDS TO BE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT FLUIDS AND OILS AND CHEMICALS PERMEATING INTO THE AQUIFER. AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE COULD END UP DRINKING THAT IN SOME CASE. SO, SO STORAGE AREAS OUTSIDE OF A DRINKING WATER SOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY ARE OKAY AS GRAVEL OR SOME OTHER PERMEABLE MATERIAL, EXCEPT IF IT'S IN THE THE DRINKING WATER SOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY. AND THEN PUBLIC FACILITY USES IS EXACT SAME AS INDUSTRIAL. THEY CAN HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE ON GRAVEL OR CRUSHED ROCK OR ASPHALT, EXCEPT IF IT'S IN A DRINKING WATER SOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE. AND THAT REALLY IS THE CLARIFICATION. OR AND IT'S YOU KNOW, DUNCAN CAN ATTEST TO THIS [00:25:04] BECAUSE IT'S REALLY BEEN AMAZING HOW MANY CHALLENGES WE'VE HAD WITH THIS, WHICH JORDAN DOES HAVE A LARGE INDUSTRIAL AREA AND SOME, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN A 20 ACRE STORAGE SITE AND YOU'RE STORING TRAILERS OR OTHER TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE A SIZABLE INVESTMENT NOT ONLY TO PAVE THAT 20 ACRE SITE, BUT ALSO IT CAN BE KIND OF HAZARDOUS TO OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM TO DRAIN ALL THAT WATER INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, AS IT GOES THROUGH DETENTION POND. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR LARRY? DO YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TEXT AMENDMENT? YEAH. THE NEXT ONE IS TO I WON'T SAY THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT. IT'S TO LEGITIMIZE THE PUBLIC ART THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN PLACE IN WICHITA. SO BASICALLY WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS IS THAT PUBLIC ART CAN TAKE WITH THIS ORDINANCE. PUBLIC ART CAN TAKE PLACE ON ANY PUBLIC FACILITY AS LONG AS IT'S APPROVED BY THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE. WHO THAT DESIGNEE. I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WOULD BE, WHETHER IT BE PAUL, JEROME OR COREY OR ONE OF THE UTILITY GUYS. BUT BUT THIS ISN'T AN ORDINANCE LIKE YOU MAY HEAR OF ANOTHER. I THINK MIDVALE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS. THEY DO PUBLIC ART ON A LOT, LOT OF THEIR BUILDINGS IN THE OLD DOWNTOWN AREA. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS. THAT'S MORE PUBLIC ART ON A PRIVATE BUILDING. THIS IS DEALING JUST WITH WHATEVER IS OWNED BY THE CITY. SO THIS ISN'T JUST A PERFORMING ART, THIS IS ALSO ART DRAWING ART. YEAH. IT'S LIKE AND THE DEFINITION I USED WAS RIGHT OUT OF STATE LAW. THERE'S SOME TYPES OF ART IN THERE THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. AND SO BUT THEY'RE IN THERE. I HOPE THERE'S NOTHING OFFENSIVE, BUT HEY, I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAY, I TOOK THAT DEFINITION RIGHT OUT OF STATE LAW BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT YOU'RE SAFEST AT THAT POINT. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NOPE. DO YOU WANT TO? THE FINAL ONE IS FOR DECADES, WEST JORDAN CITY, ALONG WITH MOST OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, HAVE HAD BLANKET EASEMENT REQUIREMENTS ON SUBDIVIDED LOTS. AND AND THESE EASEMENTS ARE FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES. NOW PUBLIC UTILITY IS NOT WATER OR SEWER OR STORM SEWER. THOSE ARE UTILITIES OWNED BY THE CITY OF PUBLIC UTILITIES. GAS ELECTRICITY, TELECOMMUNICATIONS, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND IT USED TO BE QUITE POPULAR TO PUT THOSE IN THE REAR YARD. HOWEVER, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER OR WAS IT ENBRIDGE? ENBRIDGE WILL NOT PUT AN AM, AND YOU MAY KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO, BUT THEY JUST WILL NOT PUT THEM IN REAR YARDS ANYMORE BECAUSE IT'S. AND THEY HAVE TO GO IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS AND USUALLY TEAR DOWN FENCES AND TEAR DOWN SHEDS TO GET TO THEIR, THEIR UTILITIES. AND SO EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS IN THE TEN FOOT EASEMENT IN THE FRONT YARD NOW. SO IT'S REALLY NOT A PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT THAT IS USED MUCH AT ALL ANYMORE. IT'S KIND OF A HOLDOVER FROM THE PAST. HOWEVER, THE ORDINANCE GIVES TWO ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS, EITHER PUBLIC WORKS OR PUBLIC UTILITIES, THE LATITUDE TO REQUIRE AN EASEMENT IN THE REAR YARD. IF THEY SEE, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THEY NEED TO CONNECT SOME KIND OF LINE IN A NEWLY NEWLY SUBDIVIDED PROPERTY. AND IN THAT CASE, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE ENGINEER TO TO MAKE THAT REQUIREMENT WHEN THE PLOT IS RECORDED. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK YOU'RE DONE FOR RIGHT NOW. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT ABOUT ONE MINUTE LEFT. SO WE'LL ADJOURN FOR TWO MINUTES. READY. WELCOME EVERYBO. TO THE WEST JORDAN PLANNING [GENERAL MEETING 6:00 p.m.] COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 7TH, 2025. ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IS GOING TO LEAD US. PLEASE STAND IF YOU'RE ABLE. READY? BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, [00:30:07] INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. THANK YOU. OKAY. [1. Approve Minutes from September 16, 2025] NEXT IS OUR BUSINESS ITEMS. FIRST IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 16TH. DO I HAVE A MOTION OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HATCH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I HAVE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER ROBERTS. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR I ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. CARRIE SAID NOTHING. REASON WHY WE WERE KIND OF CHUCKLING UP HERE IS MY LITTLE SCREEN JUST WENT BONKERS WITH EVERYBODY PUSHING THEIR BUTTONS. I ALMOST GOT A LITTLE DIZZY SPELL. OKAY. NEXT. SEE, COMMISSIONER ALAN'S LAUGHING. [2. Pierson Farms; 1996 West Gardner Lane; Amendment to Subdivision Condition of Approval for fencing material; R-1-8 Zone; McArthur Homes / John Gassman (applicant) [Mark Forsythe; #34327; parcel 21-34-352-005]] ALRIGHT. NEXT IS PIERSON FARMS AT 1996 WEST GARDNER LANE. AMENDMENT TO SUBDIVISION. CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THE FENCING MATERIAL AND AN R1 EIGHT ZONE MACARTHUR HOMES. AND IT LOOKS LIKE. WE REALLY. YEAH. JOHN GASSMAN DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? WE'D HAVE HIM COME UP AND EXPLAIN. YEAH. WHY DON'T YOU COME UP, JOHN? SURE. OKAY. JOHN GASSMAN WITH MACARTHUR HOMES. IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU WHY? WHY I'M HERE? OR LET MARK DO THAT? JUST GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHY. SO GREAT. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN ALMOST TEN MONTHS SINCE I WAS HERE. IT SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY WHEN WE WERE SEEKING THE APPROVAL FOR PIERSON FARMS SUBDIVISION, WHICH, IF YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN BY, YOU SHOULD, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S TURNING INTO A BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISION. WE'RE PROBABLY NOT. PROBABLY. WE SHOULD HAVE ASPHALT NEXT WEEK, AND IT'S TURNING INTO A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION, BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISION. AND I WILL SAY THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH, ESPECIALLY THOSE EAST OF ME ON GARDNER LANE, HAVE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND YOUR RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN GREAT. SO I WILL ADMIT THAT WHEN I WAS HERE IN DECEMBER, I WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT UNPREPARED FOR THIS WHOLE FENCE DISCUSSION BECAUSE UP UNTIL THAT POINT, THE DISCUSSIONS I'D HAD, EVEN WITH MAYOR BURTON, GARY CANNON FROM THE CANAL COMPANY, EVERYBODY WAS ON BOARD WITH THE WHITE VINYL FENCE THERE, SO I DIDN'T EVEN THINK IT WAS A POTENTIAL ISSUE. THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN THE HOT BUTTON WAS THE TRAFFIC GOING DOWN 1950 WEST. RIGHT? AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO CONTROL THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE SPENT THE MOST OF OUR ENERGY IN SOLVING THAT. SO I WAS A LITTLE BIT UNPREPARED. AND IN FACT, I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THAT MEETING AT SOME POINT SAY, HOW DID HOW DID THIS COME UP? HOW DID THIS HOW DID WE GET HERE? AND I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER HATCH THAT TOWARDS THE END OF THE MEETING BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN THAT I BELIEVE YOU SAID YOU LIVE ON THE JORDAN RIVER AND IN AN HOA WHERE THEY SPEND CONSIDERABLE MONEY EVERY MONTH HAVING TO REMOVE GRAFFITI. SO THE CONCERN WAS, SHOULD WE HAVE A VINYL FENCE THERE? LET'S, YOU KNOW, AND IN THE END THE DECISION WAS LET'S PUT CHAIN LINK THEN IT CAN'T GET GRAFFITI. SO I KIND OF WALKED OUT OF THIS MEETING AND WENT, WHAT JUST HAPPENED? SO SINCE THAT TIME, I'VE WALKED THAT CANAL MULTIPLE TIMES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP, BY THE WAY, IS LIKE, IF A FENCE GETS GRAFFITIED, HOW DO THEY REMOVE IT? BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, I'VE WALKED UP MULTIPLE TIMES AND I DIDN'T GET ARRESTED. AND OVER THE LAST COUPLE DAYS I'VE ACTUALLY NOTICED. IN FACT, TODAY THERE WAS A GRANDMA, I'M ASSUMING A GRANDMA WITH HER GRANDDAUGHTER WALKING ON THAT CANAL ROAD YESTERDAY. SCHOOLCHILDREN COMING HOME. THERE'S DOG WALKERS, THERE'S RUNNERS THERE. IT'S IT'S HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AND WELL USED. SO I THINK THE SIGNS THAT ARE UP THERE THAT SAY PRIVATE PROPERTY, NO TRESPASSING. I THINK THE INTENT THERE IS THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE DRIVING ON THAT ROAD. THEY'RE NOT GATED. THEY'RE NOT ANYWAY. SO A COUPLE OF OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT. AND MARK'S GOT PICTURES ON THE SCREEN I BROUGHT UP IN THAT MEETING BACK IN DECEMBER WHEN COMMISSIONER HATCH MENTIONED THIS, I SAID, WELL, HAS IT BEEN A PROBLEM IN THAT AREA IN THE PAST? ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT EVEN EXISTS IN THE AREA LARRY MENTIONED AT THAT MEETING? HE SAID, I SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT OKUBO, RIGHT. OKUBO IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CANAL SOUTH OF GARDNER. LARRY MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES MIGHT BE THAT OKUBO IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CANAL, WHERE PEARSON IS, ON THE EAST, WHERE THE ACCESS ROAD IS. SO FOR SOMEONE TO GRAFFITI THE OKUBO FENCE, IT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO BE IN THE CANAL TO BE WET. RIGHT? WELL, SINCE THEN I'VE WALKED THAT, AND THAT'S PARTIALLY TRUE. THE ACCESS, THE MAIN ACCESS ROAD THAT THEY USE THE CANAL COMPANY USES IS IN FACT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE [00:35:06] CANAL. BUT ONCE YOU GET SOUTH OF GARDNER, THERE'S ALSO AN ACCESS ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE THAT'S JUST AS LARGE. THE DIFFERENCE IS IT'S GATED SO VEHICLES CAN'T GET DOWN IT, AND PEOPLE COULD EASILY TAG OKUBO IN THE WINTER MONTHS WHEN THE CANALS DRY, SO I WALKED. THAT'S ABOUT A MILE FROM SUGAR FACTORY ROAD DOWN TO 90TH SOUTH. YOU GET DOWN TO 90TH. 90TH SOUTH, A BIG REGIONAL DETENTION BASIN. ZERO SIGN OF GRAFFITI, NO VANDALISM. NORTH OF GARDNER LANE IN THAT OLDER SUBDIVISION. IT IS MOSTLY WELL ON THE WEST SIDE. IT'S OLD FARMERS FENCES ON THE EAST SIDE. IT'S A LOT OF CHAIN LINK, BUT WHAT YOU SEE IS PEOPLE LIKE THAT TOP LEFT PICTURE. YOU SEE PEOPLE PUTTING THINGS UP TO TRY AND CREATE PRIVACY THROUGH THE CHAIN LINK. THAT ONE'S LIKE A BLUE FABRIC TARP. THEY'VE ATTACHED. SOME PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE HAVE PUT SLATS IN IT. SOME PEOPLE, MANY PEOPLE HAVE PLANTED LIKE A WILD GRAPEVINE THAT THEN CREATES A HEDGE. AND SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE PUT LIKE THAT MIDDLE PICTURE THERE. SEVERAL OF THOSE PICTURES, THEY JUST GO LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT IN DECEMBER, WHAT THEY DO TO CREATE THAT PRIVACY. MOST OF THEM, AND I WOULD IMAGINE THIS WILL BE THE CASE IN PEARSON FARMS. MOST WILL GO PUT UP A WHITE VINYL FENCE RIGHT BEHIND THAT CHAIN LINK. AGAIN, THE PROBLEM THERE IS NOW YOU'VE GOT VOLUNTEER TREES, TRASH, WEEDS AND IF THAT VINYL FENCE NOW DOES GET TAGGED, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET IT CLEANED OFF. SHORT OF PULLING THE FENCE DOWN TO CLEAN IT. RIGHT. SO WE BELIEVE THAT PUTTING WHITE VINYL, WHICH IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH WITH WHAT'S SOUTH OF US, WILL ADD ADD VALUE, PERCEIVED VALUE TO THE FUTURE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE WANTING THAT PRIVACY. THEY'LL SEE VALUE IN THAT FENCE AS OPPOSED TO CHAIN LINK. THAT TOP RIGHT ONE'S AN INTERESTING PICTURE. THIS IS A LOT NORTH OF PEARSON FARMS WHERE THEY'VE GOT CHAIN LINK AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY ATTACHED. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A FINE BAMBOO MATTING, IF YOU WILL, ON THE CHAIN LINK TO CREATE THEIR PRIVACY. SO PEOPLE HAVE DONE A LOT OF THINGS, BUT SO WE JUST WE JUST FEEL LIKE VINYL REALLY IS THE RIGHT PRODUCT THERE. AND IT WON'T BE A PROBLEM IF IT GETS GRAFFITIED, IT'S EASILY CLEANED AND IT'S ACCESSIBLE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT IT'S EVIDENCE THAT PEOPLE WANT THEIR THEIR PRIVACY. MAINTENANCE SHOULD BE A NON-ISSUE. AND SO WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD CONSIDER ALLOWING US TO CHANGE THAT TO WHITE VINYL FROM CHAIN LINK. WE ARE AGAIN, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE, I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. WE'RE NEXT WEEK IS ASPHALT, AND I'M GETTING CLOSE TO BEING READY TO PUT THAT FENCE UP, SO JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR. OKAY. THANK YOU OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO IT RAY OR MARK. SORRY I'M LOOKING AT YEAH JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS I'LL GO OVER REAL QUICK. SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF ADDRESS THE PUBLIC VISIBILITY COMPONENT OF THIS. SO BASICALLY THESE ARE SOME PICTURES THAT I TOOK. TO KIND OF VISUALIZE THIS AS SOMEONE WERE DRIVING DOWN GARDNER LANE HEADING EAST. BUT BASICALLY THAT BOTTOM PICTURE IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU'D SEE THERE AS YOU'RE DRIVING PAST. THE ONE ON THE TOP LEFT IS IS ACTUALLY LOOKING DIRECTLY AT IT. SO, YOU KNOW, MOST DRIVERS ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, CRANE THEIR NECKS THAT FAR TO, TO SEE THAT. BUT FOR PEDESTRIANS AND PEOPLE WALKING BY, THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT THEY'D SEE. BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT BECAUSE OF THE BEND IN THAT CANAL, IT DOES REALLY HIDE A LOT OF THAT PUBLIC VISIBILITY FOR THAT FENCE ALONG THERE. SO, SO REALLY, THAT STRETCH IS ONLY ABOUT ONE THIRD OF THE TOTAL LENGTH. THE WHOLE THING IS A QUARTER MILE. SO IT'S A BASICALLY A THIRD OF THAT THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE. AND THEN AS JOHN KIND OF ALLUDED TO, ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE SUBDIVISION, THEY'VE GOT A VINYL FENCE ALL ALONG THAT CANAL THERE. AND THEN ALONG THE ROAD IS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT MASONRY WALL. AND PEARSON FARMS WILL HAVE THE EXACT SAME THING. SO, SO IF WE WERE TO BASICALLY DO A VINYL FENCE HERE, YOU'D PRETTY MUCH JUST HAVE A MIRROR IMAGE OF WHAT'S WHAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE THERE. AND THEN JUST WANTED TO COVER MAINTENANCE. SO VINYL FENCES. WELL LET ME BACK UP. PEARSON FARMS IS IT'S IT'S NOT AN HOA MAINTAINED SUBDIVISION. IT'S IT'S JUST STRICTLY AN R-1 SUBDIVISION. SO THERE'S NO HOA. THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY IS JUST A DETENTION POND IN THE CORNER. SO. SO ALL OF THESE FENCES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER, AS REQUIRED BY LAW. SO. SO VINYL FENCE MIGHT BE AN [00:40:06] EASIER OPTION IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE. JUST BECAUSE WITH A LOT OF THOSE YOU CAN REALLY JUST KIND OF POP THE CAPS OF THE COLUMNS OFF, SLIDE THE PANELS OUT, TAKE IT OUT, EITHER CLEAN THE PANELS OFF OR EVEN JUST WALK THROUGH. CREATE BASICALLY A TEMPORARY OPENING IN THE FENCE. CLEAN WHATEVER YOU NEED TO CLEAN OFF, AND WITHOUT HAVING TO WALK ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION ALL THE WAY DOWN THE CANAL ROAD AND DO IT THAT WAY. SO IT MIGHT BE A WAY TO ENCOURAGE MAINTENANCE A LITTLE BIT. SO. BUT YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAD. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MARK? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. SO SINCE I'M THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP THIS WHOLE UGLY MESS I WILL GO AND MAKE A MOTION. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING BACK AND SHOWING US THAT THE DAMAGE IS MINIMAL AND IT IS THE HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY. I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT AND APPEALING YOUR CASE. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION BASED ON THE INFORMATION AND FINDINGS SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND UPON THE EVIDENCE AND EXPLANATIONS RECEIVED TODAY, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO SUBDIVISION CONDITION OF APPROVAL NUMBER FOUR, CHANGING THE FENCING MATERIAL FROM CHAIN LINK TO SOLID VINYL FOR PEARSON FARMS, LOCATED AT 1996 SOUTH GARDNER LANE IN THE R1 EIGHT ZONE. MR. GONZALEZ I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT CARRIES SEVEN. NOTHING. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT IS PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH [3. Addenbrook Phase 5; 6155 West Fallwater Drive; Preliminary Subdivision Plat (61 lots on 6.29 acres); MFR Zone; Peterson Development/Barrett Peterson (applicant) [Ray McCandless/Todd Johnson #34592; parcel 20-35-152-010]] FINAL ACTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE ADDENBROOKE PHASE FIVE 6155 WEST FALL WATER DRIVE. PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT 61 LOTS ON 6.29 ACRES AND AN R ZONE. PETERSON DEVELOPMENT AND BARRETT PETERSON. HI, MY NAME IS VICTOR BARNES. I WORK FOR PETERSON DEVELOPMENT AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS PROJECT IS. YEARS IN THE MAKING. IT'S SPELLED OUT FOR FOR A WHILE. EDINBURGH FIVE IS OF COURSE PART OF THE OVERALL ITEMS MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. THE AREA MARKED ON THE MAP IN YELLOW IS THE WHOLE ADDENBROOKE SUBDIVISION, BUT ADDENBROOKE FIVE IS A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AND PHASE TWO WHICH WAS ALSO WHICH WAS WAS BUILT. AND GARBETT HOMES HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTING HOMES IN THERE AND THEY'RE FINALLY READY TO START MOVING FORWARD WITH THE WITH THE HOMES IN PHASE FIVE. SO OF COURSE, IN THE MEANTIME, THE THE APPROVALS, CITY APPROVALS EXPIRED. AND SO WE CAME BACK ASKING FOR RENEWAL OF THOSE APPROVALS. AND THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE CITY OVER TIME HAS MADE A FEW CHANGES IN STANDARDS AND AND SUCH. AND SO BASICALLY THE LAYOUT IS STILL THE SAME, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE ENGINEERING ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT. AND SO I BELIEVE WE MEET ALL THE CITY STANDARDS AS WELL AS THE INTENT OF THE THE ORIGINAL ZONING AND MASTER PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONS THE STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER, THE WE MEET THOSE ZONING AND BUILDING ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS. WE ARE. AWARE THERE OF THE TIMELINES, THE FUTURE TIMELINES FOR EXPIRATION. AND WE'VE ALSO HAVE IN THE PLAT, AS NOTED ON THE PLAT. AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMMON AREAS WILL BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. SO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I HOPE THIS IS A SIMPLE ONE. AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY, WE'LL CALL YOU UP IF YOU HAVE ANY. THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. SO THIS IS JUST LOCATED WEST OF THE MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR. IT'S ALONG FALL WATER [00:45:03] DRIVE AS BIG. AS MENTIONED, MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE FOR THE ADDENBROOKE. THE SUBDIVISION PLAT FIVE WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED BACK IN 2020, BUT AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THINGS KIND OF STALLED OUT AND THE APPROVAL EXPIRED. SO THEY'RE BACK IN AGAIN FOR A RE-APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN. THE THERE'S THE PLANS ARE BASED ARE BASICALLY IDENTICAL FROM THE ORIGINAL 2020 PLAN TO THE PLAN THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER. AND IT'S BEFORE YOU THIS THIS EVENING. THEY'RE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST NEED TO BRING UP. AND THIS WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. BUT BACK IN 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL HAD APPROVED THE BUILDING HEIGHT, LIMITED SOME OF THOSE UNITS TO, WELL, ABOUT HALF THE UNITS, IF NOT MORE TO TWO STORY TOWNHOMES. AND THIS WAS THE OVERALL PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED. I THINK PART OF THE REASONING BEHIND THAT WAS THAT THESE WERE IS TO MAKE THEM MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE HOMES THAT ARE SURROUNDING THOSE. SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE I MEAN, THE ORDINANCE IS IN EFFECT, BUT WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO TIE THAT BACK INTO THIS APPROVAL. AND SO I'VE JUST ADDED THOSE THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIREMENT TO THE, TO THE MOTION. AND WE'LL GET TO THAT. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL JUST SUBJECT TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE LISTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. HERE'S THE 2020 APPROVED PLAT AND THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT. AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THE C THE LAYOUT IS IS BASICALLY THE SAME. THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS I HAD A NUMBER FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT SHALL BE LIMITED TO TWO AND THREE STORIES, AS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 25TH, 2001. THAT WAS ORDINANCE NUMBER 21 OF 30. THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE JUST FINAL PLAT APPROVAL BY CITY STAFF. AND HERE'S THE RECOMMENDED MOTION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER HOLLINGSWORTH OKAY. YEAH. COULD YOU GO TO THE AERIAL VIEW, PLEASE? OKAY. THAT ONE THAT ONE WORKS OKAY. I LIVE IN THIS NEAR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I GO PAST THIS A LOT. AND WITH THE GLADSTONE APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH. ON ON THAT FALL WATER DRIVE, THERE IS TWO BIKE LANES, ONE ON EACH SIDE. ONE SIDE IS NO PARKING. THE OTHER SIDE. BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE GLADSTONE APARTMENTS HAVE BEEN BUILT OR HOW THE PEOPLE ARE USING THEM, THAT WHOLE SIDE IS COMPLETELY FILLED WITH CARS EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. SO MY CONCERN IS PARKING. WILL THIS CAUSE A PROBLEM WITH PARKING OVERSPILLING INTO THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS NEARBY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AMPLE PARKING ALREADY IN THAT AREA? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MITIGATE THAT ISSUE? EACH OF THESE UNITS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO CAR ATTACHED PARKING, SO THAT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF IT IF THERE ARE ANY IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES BEYOND THAT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING TO BE LOOKED AT THROUGH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING. YEAH. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, AND UNTIL WE CAN MITIGATE THIS, I DON'T SEE ADDING MORE, MORE TRAFFIC TO THE AREA AS BEING CONDUCIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PROBLEMS NOTED, HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY IS LIMITED BY THE ORDINANCE. AND SO IF THEY MEET THE PARKING CODE, THEN I DON'T. DUNCAN, I DON'T BELIEVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO RESTRICT PARKING ON STREETS IN A MASTER PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE YOUR CONCERNS BACK TO OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. AND IF THERE BIKE LANES, MAYBE MAYBE THEY SHOULD NOT BE PARKING ON THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S RENDERING BASICALLY THE PARKING, THE BIKE LANES USELESS AS WAS DOING SO. BUT FOR WHETHER THIS IS APPROVED OR NOT, WE NEED TO STAY WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS ISSUE UP BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS [00:50:08] FOR STAFF? OKAY. THIS HAS BEEN NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME IF YOU'RE ONLINE, RAISE YOUR HAND OR ON THE PHONE. STAR NINE. SO MY NAME IS HARMONY MITCHELL AND I LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD JUST OFF. IT'S 8050 SOUTH, SO MY HOUSE IS IN THAT CORNER KIND OF WHERE WE'RE TALKING. AND I JUST WANT TO ALSO EXPRESS MY CONCERN WITH PARKING AND ACCESS AS THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES IN. THE ONLY ENTRANCE INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT IS THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE ONE SIDE AND THEN THROUGH ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO YOU'LL ALSO HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN ON 80, 50 SOUTH. AND THEN HEADING INTO THAT. SO CONCERNS WITH A LOT OF CARS, A LOT OF JUST. BUSYNESS THERE IS DEFINITELY FELT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN THAT PLAT. AND I DON'T KNOW, THERE ARE SOME IN SOME OF THE OTHER MAPS WHERE IT SHOWS THE EXTENSION. I THINK IT'S 6170 US. IF YOU GO TO. YEAH. SO THERE'S LIKE THAT LITTLE PATH IN THE CORNER THERE ON THE GOSH, DON'T MAKE ME DO DIRECTIONS. WEST SIDE AND A LITTLE WALKWAY. SO THERE'S A HOUSE THERE RIGHT NOW. AND WE'VE ALWAYS WONDERED TOO, IF THERE'S ANY ACCESS POINT WITHIN THAT. INSTEAD OF BRINGING THEM THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, BECAUSE I KNOW I ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES, IS I BELIEVE WE WERE I WAS HERE WHEN THE FIRST APPROVAL WENT THROUGH IN 2021 ON THE TWO STORY, THREE STORY. AND WE WERE REALLY GRATEFUL THAT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT POINT, THEY APPROVED ALL TWO STORY. AND THEN WHEN IT WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, IT GOT SWITCHED TO TWO AND THREE. AND I BELIEVE THE OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND ANY OF THOSE HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALREADY EXISTING. IT WAS GOING TO BE TWO STORY. SO JUST QUESTION ON THAT AND PARCEL C WHERE THEY WERE SHOWING THREE STORY. SO ANYWAY THOSE ARE OUR CONCERNS. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE. ANYBODY ONLINE. THERE'S NO ONE ONLINE OKAY. THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENT AND OR MOTIONS. YEAH I HAD A QUESTION ACTUALLY THAT THIS IS BROUGHT UP ON THE TWO AND THREE STORIES. ARE THEY JUST TWO AND THREE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES OR IS IT MULTIPLE LIVING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER? THESE ARE ALL TOWNHOMES, SO THEY'RE ATTACHED SIDE TO SIDE, BUT THEY'RE THREE STORY TOWNHOMES OR TWO STORY TOWNHOMES, OKAY. AND EVERY ONE OF THE TOWNHOMES IS REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPOTS. OKAY. AND IS THE DIFFERENCE THERE? MAYBE WITH THE APARTMENTS THAT APARTMENTS ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE PARKING STALL PER UNIT? IT'S A IT'S A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT FOR. FOR TOWNHOMES VERSUS APARTMENTS. AND GLADSTONE BECAUSE I DID AT LEAST THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT, IT WAS EACH OF THE UNITS HAS A GARAGE PARK, SO EACH OF THEM HAS TWO CAR GARAGE IN THE GARAGE. PLUS THERE'S ADEQUATE VISITOR PARKING, BUT. THE REALITY OF THE WORLD IS SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE MORE THAN TWO CARS OR IT'S MORE CONVENIENT TO PARK ON THE STREET THAN IT IS TO TO PARK IN THERE. YOU KNOW, THE, THE VISITOR PARKING, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND, AND THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE PARK WHERE IT'S MOST CONVENIENT. BUT GLADSTONE, IN FACT, EVERYTHING IN THE HIGHLANDS HAS MET THE CODE FOR PARKING. NONE OF IT'S UNDER PARK. SO. I'D LIKE TO BRING UP THE APPLICATION OR APPLICANT TO [00:55:01] SEE IF HE'S GOT ANY COMMENTS ON THE THE PARKING ISSUE. THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, OF COURSE, HAS REVIEWED THESE PLANS AS THEY'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HE HAS ALREADY PUT HAD US LIST. IF THERE'S NO PARKING SIGNS TO GO ALONG FALL WATER DRIVE. SO THE INTENT IS THAT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY MORE PARKING ALONG THAT THAT ROAD. IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE OTHER SIDE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, BUT THAT'S THE CITY AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO DECIDE. I THINK THAT'S IT. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, BASED ON THE ANALYSIS AND FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT 61 LOTS ON 6.29 ACRES FOR ADDENBROOKE PHASE FIVE SUBDIVISION, LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY 6155 WEST FALL WATER DRIVE, IN A ZONE WITH THE CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS OF APPROVAL LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE ADDED REQUIREMENTS THAT BUILDING HEIGHT SHALL BE LIMITED TO TWO AND THREE STOREYS, AS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 25TH, 2021. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2130. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. CARRIES SEVEN. NOTHING. CHAIR. SO WE DIDN'T GET TO DISCUSS THE MOTION, WHICH IS FINE, BUT I JUST OPEN THE COMMENT I THINK WAS A GOOD ONE. BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE THREE STORIES AND JUST SHOWING THAT MAP AGAIN. COULD WE JUST SHOW THAT REALLY QUICK FOR THE PUBLIC WHO WAS HERE AND HAD THE QUESTION? AND I ALSO APPRECIATE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP WITH THAT SPECIFICALLY. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE I THINK WE'VE HOPEFULLY BEEN CLEAR AS WE'VE TALKED THROUGH IT, WE'RE BOUNDED BY WHAT'S IN THE CITY CODE, AND THIS IS MEETING ALL OF THAT, INCLUDING THE ORDINANCE THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS OPTED TO APPROVE. AND SO IT JUST IS WORTH CHECKING ALL THE BOXES. WE GET TO SAY YES, BUT WHO HAD THIS ONE? RAY. RAY. SO JUST LOOKING THIS OVER THE RED IS THE THREE STORY. SO THERE'S ONE SECTION OF THREE STORY ON THE WEST, TWO UNITS ON THE EAST. OUTSIDE OF THE ONES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED THAT. SO LOOKING AT THIS, IT DOES FEEL LIKE IT'S KEEPING IN CONCERT WITH THAT NOTION OF NO. THREE STORY BEHIND THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION TO COMMISSIONER ALLEN MAY HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS A LITTLE BIT. THE CITY COUNCIL BASICALLY HAS THE ULTIMATE DECISION BECAUSE THEY'RE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, AND WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. HOWEVER, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE ALREADY GONE ON ON THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS. SO OUR HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE TO LIVE BY. SO. ANYWAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. OKAY. NEXT IS [4. Text Amendment – Home Ownership Promotion Zone (HOPZ); Recommendation to the City Council to Amend the City Code Title 13-2-3 Definitions adding the “affordable housing” definition, and the creation of a new Title 13-5P Home Ownership Promotion Zone and amend Section 13-8-23(B)(1) exceptions to the Balanced Housing Ordinance; [City-wide applicability; City of West Jordan applicant, Tayler Jensen #34903]] PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL ACTION. AND THIS ONE WILL BE A TEXT AMENDMENT, HOME OWNERSHIP PROMOTION ZONE. HOPE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND THE CITY CODE. TITLE 13 2-3 DEFINITIONS. ADDING THE AFFORDABILITY, HOUSING DEFINITION AND CREATION OF A NEW TITLE 13 FIVE HOME OWNERSHIP PROMOTION ZONE AND AMEND SECTION 13 DASH EIGHT, DASH TWO THREE, SUBSECTION B, SUBSECTION ONE. EXCEPTION TO THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE, AND TAYLOR IS REPRESENTING THE CITY ON THIS ONE. GREAT. THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COMMISSION. AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE CREATION OF THE HOMEOWNERSHIP PROMOTION ZONE. THIS DOES HAVE CITYWIDE APPLICABILITY, ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT SEEKING TO REZONE ANY PROPERTY WITH THAT. WITH THIS MOVE TONIGHT. SO AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. LAST YEAR, SENATE BILL 168 CREATED A HOMEOWNERSHIP PROMOTION ZONE TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY GIVE THE CITIES A MENU OF DIFFERENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS THAT WE CAN DO. AND WE HAVE TO ADOPT AND PURSUE A NUMBER OF THOSE EVERY YEAR. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE [01:00:04] GOING TO DO IS ADOPT A HOMEOWNERSHIP PROMOTION ZONE, AS ALLOWED BY SENATE BILL 168, AND INCLUDE THAT IN OUR NEXT YEAR'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN, WHICH WE'RE DOING TO ADDRESS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS. THE LAW DOES REQUIRE HOUSING THAT USES THIS ZONE TO BE AFFORDABLE AND DEED RESTRICTED. AFFORDABLE IS DEFINED AS 80% OF THE MEDIAN PRICE OF THAT HOME TYPE WITHIN THE COUNTY. KIND OF WHY SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO DO THIS AS A DEVELOPER. THEY COULD INCREASE DENSITY, ACCESS TO TAX INCREMENT, AND THEY DO GET SOME LESSENING OF SOME OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS WELL. ORDINANCE OVERVIEW KIND OF ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WE DEFINE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE ZONE, AS WE'RE CALLING IT, CAN BE PLACED ON ANY PARCEL UNDER TEN ACRES IN SIZE PER STATE LAW. IT DOES HAVE A MINIMUM DENSITY OF SIX UNITS PER ACRE. THOSE NEED TO BE DEED RESTRICTED FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS, AND MDA WILL BE REQUIRED. I MENTIONED THERE ARE SOME REDUCED DESIGN STANDARDS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS ALSO TALKED ABOUT IN THE ORDINANCE IS GARAGES ARE NOT REQUIRED. SO TWO CAR PARKING WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED WITH HOMES IN THIS ZONE. BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE WITHIN GARAGES THAT COULD BE JUST ON THE DRIVEWAY OR IN A DRIVEWAY OR A CARPORT. NEXT STEPS. FOR THIS, IT HAS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION AT THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS, THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT MEETING WOULD ALSO BE A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THEN A PRELIMINARY PLAT WOULD COME BACK TO THIS BODY AND THEN FINAL. FINALLY, A FINAL PLAT AND BUILDING PERMITS OUR STAFF LEVEL APPROVALS. WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR TAYLOR? HOW MUCH LEEWAY DOES THE CITY HAVE TO TWEAK THIS TO THEIR OWN AREA, THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES? IS THIS ORDINANCE I MEAN, IS WHAT WE'RE DOING JUST REFORMATORY FOR WHAT IS THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR ANYWAY? HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH LEEWAY DO WE HAVE TO CHANGE THIS TO FIT OUR NEEDS? OR DO WE? YEAH WE DO. WE HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM STATE REQUIREMENTS. BUT WE'VE ADDED SOME STUFF IN THERE THAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE STATE. SO THE STATE DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO GET RID OF THE GARAGE REQUIREMENT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TOOK FROM DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, AS WE'VE GOTTEN THAT REQUEST FROM DEVELOPERS IN THE PAST SAYING THIS IS SOMETHING A CITY COULD DO TO MAKE DEVELOPMENT MORE AFFORDABLE. SO WE'VE ADDED THAT IN SIMILAR TO SOME OF THOSE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ALREADY FOR SINGLE FAMILY, BUT IF THEY CAME IN WITH LIKE A TOWNHOME PROJECT OR SOMETHING, THEY COULD HAVE A FEWER OF THOSE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, WHICH CAN ADD SOME CHARGE TO THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. SO WE CAN TWEAK IT AS LONG AS WE DON'T VIOLATE THE STATE ORDINANCE. SO WE HAVE AND WE COULD CONTINUE TO DO SO. THANK YOU. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. APPARENTLY YOUR BATTERY IS RUNNING LOW. OH THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. YOU'RE ONLINE. RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE. STAR NINE. MY NAME IS SHANE SUMPTION. I'VE ACTUALLY NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THESE BEFORE, BUT SOME QUESTIONS HAVE HAVE COME UP. I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF WEST JORDAN, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE TO ASK, BUT THEY ARE IN THE CONTEXT OF MY CHILDREN WHO ARE EXPLORING PLACES TO TO LIVE AND TO MOVE TO. SO I GUESS I WANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION FIRST. IS IT OKAY FOR ME TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN THIS CONTEXT? YOU CAN ASK, BUT WE CAN'T ANSWER ANYTHING UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. SOUNDS GREAT. SO THE CONTEXT WAS IN THE NAMING OF THE I'LL CALL IT AN INITIATIVE. THE HOME OWNERSHIP PROMOTION ZONE, I THINK IS WHAT I, WHAT I READ AND THE, THE INDICATIONS AS TO WHAT THAT CAN MEAN OR DOES MEAN THE INCLUSION OF AFFORDABILITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME AS I WAS LISTENING, I'M HERE FOR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PURPOSE WITH MY SON. BUT WAS THE IDEA THAT INCREASED HOUSING HAS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE [01:05:03] AFFORDABLE? EXCUSE ME, INCREASED DENSITY HAS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP TO THE AFFORDABILITY OF A HOME, AND I QUESTION THAT, HAVING BEEN A HOMEOWNER, HAVING LIVED IN WEST JORDAN MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, AND HAVING LIVED IN THIS, THIS AREA THAT I DON'T I HAVEN'T SEEN SOMETHING HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT VENUE FOR EXPRESSING THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN INCREASED DENSITY BEING DIRECTLY RELATED TO AFFORDABILITY. I CAN SEE THE ARGUMENT THAT CAN BE MADE FOR IT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT AND I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT, THAT CONTEMPLATION. WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHERE I'VE BEEN, WHERE I'VE COME FROM, AND MY OWN ADULT CHILDREN WHO ARE LOOKING FOR PLACES TO LIVE, WHO ARE FINDING THAT UTAH AND THE SALT LAKE VALLEY IS NOT A PLACE TO DO SO BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGE THAT I BRING UP. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ONLINE? THERE'S NO ONE ONLINE. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENTS AND OR MOTION. AND IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS. COMMENTS, I CAN TRY A LITTLE BIT, BUT I CAN CHIME IN CHAIR IF YOU WANT ME TO. SURE. YOU'RE PROBABLY BETTER THAN ME. YEAH. SO TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES. FIRST IS THE SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE MINIMUM. THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE STATUTES. SENATE BILL 168. SO IF WE WANT TO UTILIZE THE HOMEOWNERSHIP PROMOTION ZONE, WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST THAT DENSITY. I THINK THE LARGER QUESTION IS, DOES INCREASED DENSITY REDUCE HOUSING COSTS? THE STATE WOULD BE A BETTER ANSWER FOR US THAN US, THAN US. ANYONE HERE, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF STUDIES. THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF MATERIAL PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE. I BELIEVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REPORT GOT PUBLISHED THIS WEEK AS WELL FROM THE STATE AS WELL. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING LOTS OF RESEARCH WITH THE GARDNER INSTITUTE AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. AND THAT'S BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE, KIND OF TOP OF MIND ON THE HILL. AND I THINK I WOULD JUST DIRECT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT'S INTERESTED TO WHAT HAS BEEN DECIDED AND FOUND SO FAR TO THOSE STATE RESOURCES. THANK YOU. TAYLOR, I DO KNOW THAT THE STATE HAS IMPLEMENTED A WHOLE BUNCH OF RULES LAWS TO KIND OF COUNTERACT SOME OF THE HIGH PRICE OF HOUSING, BUT. MY PERSONAL OPINION, MOST OF THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE MARKET. AND I MEAN, IT DOES PLAY, I THINK, A SMALL ROLE IN IT, BUT IT'S NOT A END ALL TO EVERYTHING. SO. ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OR ANY MORE COMMENTS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION BASED ON THE INFORMATION AND CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND UPON THE EVIDENCE AND EXPLANATIONS RECEIVED TODAY, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO 13 TWO 313 B 23 B1 AND THE CREATION OF THE NEW TITLE 13 £0.05 OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ROBERTS. I'LL SECOND THAT AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. CARRIES SEVEN. NOTHING. [5. Text Amendment – Parking Lots; Recommendation to the City Council to Amend the West Jordan City Code Title 13-12-6C 1-4 adding to and clarifying parking lot location, construction materials and requirements for specific zones; city-wide applicability; City of West Jordan (applicant) [Larry Gardner #34799]] THANK YOU. TAYLOR OKAY. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS TEXT AMENDMENT PARKING LOTS. RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND THE WEST JORDAN CITY CODE, TITLE 1312 DASH 6C1-4. ADDING AND CLARIFYING PARKING LOT LOCATIONS, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIFIC ZONES. CITYWIDE APPLICABILITY AND LOOKS LIKE. LARRY. SO THE QUICK OVERVIEW OF THIS ORDINANCE IS IT CLARIFIES OUR PARKING STANDARDS. AS I DESCRIBED IN THE PRE MEETING LOCATION, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND REQUIREMENT FOR SPECIFIC ZONES. IT CLARIFIES BETWEEN REQUIRED PARKING AND STORAGE AND INDUSTRIAL ZONES. AND I MIGHT ADD PUBLIC FACILITIES ZONES. BUT ANY PARKING STORAGE IN A DRINKING WATER SOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE MUST BE CONSTRUCTED OF ASPHALT OR CONCRETE. AND THAT'S TO TO MAKE IT AN IMPERMEABLE SURFACE SO WE DON'T GET FLUIDS AND OILS AND CHEMICALS INTO THE AQUIFER. AND THEN WE ADDED DEFINITIONS OF WHAT, BECAUSE THESE WEREN'T IN THE ORDINANCE OF WHAT REQUIRED PARKING IS AND [01:10:01] WHAT AN INSTITUTIONAL USE IS AND WHAT A SPECIAL EVENT IS. AND THOSE ARE BASICALLY BECAUSE WE GET SOME PEOPLE THAT THINK, OH, IT'D BE A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE A PARKING FOR A SPECIAL EVENT HERE WHEN IT'S REALLY NOT A SPECIAL EVENT, ESPECIALLY EVENT TO ME, WOULD BE LIKE THE RODEO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NOT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME UP WITH ALL KINDS OF CRAZY IDEAS. BUT SO WE'VE DEFINED THAT TO TO GET RID OF THE CRAZY IDEAS, I GUESS. AND SO THE ONE THING WE'VE DONE IS SIMPLIFIED THE PURPOSE STATEMENT REMOVED A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARKING AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. THEY CAN DO THAT IF THEY WANT TO. THE REQUIREMENT REALLY HASN'T WORKED. AND THEN THE ORDINANCE HAS ADDED AN EXCEPTION TO FRONT YARD PARKING. AND IT ALLOWS A19 BY 18 STALL FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THE FRONT YARD. AND LASTLY, NONE OF THE REALLY NONE OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SPECIFIC USES WHICH HAVE NOW BEEN PUT INTO ONE AREA THAT HOPEFULLY IS MUCH SIMPLER TO ADMINISTER. IT ALSO, IN THE INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING ZONE, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS TROUBLE OUT THERE BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION OF WHAT PARKING IS AND WHAT STORAGE IS. THIS CLEARLY DELINEATES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PARKING SAYS REQUIRED PARKING AND OUTDOOR STORAGE, WHICH IS ALLOWED NO MANUFACTURING ZONE. WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION ALREADY FOR STORAGE, AND SO WE DON'T NEED ONE OF THOSE. BUT IT SAYS THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE CAN BE OF GRAVEL, CRUSHED ASPHALT, ROCK, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THE REQUIRED PARKING MUST BE AN ASPHALT OR CONCRETE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON IT, YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. ANYBODY ONLINE? THERE'S NOONE ONLINE. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENT AND OR RECOMMENDATION OR MOTION. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION BASED ON THE INFORMATION AND CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT AND UPON THE EVIDENCE AND EXPLANATIONS RECEIVED TODAY, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS APPLICATION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, COMMISSIONER HATCH? I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT CARRIES SEVEN. NOTHING. NEXT WE HAVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT, [6. Text Amendment – Public Art; Recommendation to the City Council to Amend the City Code Title 13-8 “Supplementary and Qualifying Standards” adding 13-8-24 regulating public art and amending 13-2-3 adding definitions for “Public Art” and “Work of Art”; city-wide applicability; City of West Jordan (applicant) [Larry Gardner # 34904]] PUBLIC ART RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND THE CITY PUBLIC ART AND AMENDING 13 DASH TWO THREE ADDING DEFINITIONS FOR PUBLIC ART AND WORK OF ART CITYWIDE APPLICABILITY. AND LARRY. OKAY, SO PUBLIC ART WILL ONLY BE LOCATED ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND WILL CONSIST OF MURALS, PAINTINGS, SCULPTURES, ETC. WE HAVE ONE MURAL THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PAINTED ON A WATER TANK BY JORDAN LANDING, AND I KNOW THE CITY IS CONTEMPLATING PUTTING A SUGAR BEET SCULPTURE OUTSIDE OF THE SENIOR CENTER ON 2200 WEST, AND THE ORDINANCE WILL ONLY ALLOW PUBLIC ART ON CITY PROPERTY, AND DOES NOT ADDRESS SUCH THINGS AS MURALS ON PRIVATE BUILDINGS MUST BE APPROVED BY THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER OR DESIGNEE, AND THEN THE DEFINITIONS IS PRETTY SIMPLE. IT'S TO BE PLACED INSTALLED UPON PUBLIC PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID IN THE WORK, MEETING THE WORKS OF ART OR WORKS OF ART ARE THIS IS RIGHT OUT OF. STATE LAW. AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO ME, EXCEPT I DON'T KNOW WHAT A BASS RELIEF IS. AND SO IF ANYONE CAN TELL ME WHAT THAT IS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. ANYWAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR LARRY? I THINK YOU GOT A HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT. YOU NEED TO GO LOOK THAT UP. SOMEBODY IN THIS ROOM'S GOT TO KNOW WHAT A BASS RELIEF, ISN'T IT? ON. SO WHAT'S [01:15:08] THAT QUESTION, THEN? THE WHAT'S A BASS RELIEF? OH, I LOOKED UP THAT SAME THING, TOO, AND I AND I DID FIND AN ANSWER AND THEN I'VE, I'VE FORGOTTEN IT. SO IT WAS PRETTY IMPORTANT. BUT IT'S IT IS IT'S A LITERALLY A TERM OF ART. IT'S AN ARTISTIC TERM. WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS, JULIE? I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. A METHOD OF MOLDING, CARVING OR STAMPING IN WHICH THE DESIGN STANDS OUT FROM THE SURFACE TO A LESSER EXTENT THAN THE HIGH THAN IN HIGH RELIEF, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY TELL US MUCH. YEAH. SO BASICALLY, IF YOU'RE AN ARTIST, YOU UNDERSTAND IT. IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T. AND NONE OF US ARE APPARENTLY ARTISTS BECAUSE WE DON'T GET IT. BUT I'M LIKE, LARRY, IF IT'S IN THE STATE CODE DEFINITION, RIGHT? OR AND IT'S ACCEPTED AND IT APPEARS TO COVER ALL TYPES OF ART, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO NOT HAVE THAT FORM OF ART IF IT LOOKS COOL. AND IT HAPPENED TO HAVE FIT INTO THAT CATEGORY AND WE DIDN'T OTHERWISE REALIZE IT. SO IT'S JUST THE EFFORT TO KEEP SOMETHING THAT WE WANT THAT'S COOL, THAT FITS IT. BUT YEAH. SO I HAVE AN EXAMPLE. YOU THINK OF THINK OF AN EMBLEM THAT'S RAISED. SO YOU'VE YOU'VE LIKE CREATED, YOU'VE GOT A FLAT SURFACE AND THEN YOU CREATE THE ART ON TOP. THAT'S A BASS RELIEF. SO THERE'S A THREE DIMENSIONAL FEATURE AS PART OF A REGULAR OTHERWISE TWO DIMENSIONAL PIECE OF ART. MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD DESCRIBE IT BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET AT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S THE OPPOSITE. I THINK A BASS, A BASS RELIEF IS WHERE YOU PRESS SOMETHING INTO THE GROUND, LIKE WHEN YOU PUT YOUR YOU PUT YOUR HANDS INTO CONCRETE. I THINK THAT'S THE BEST RELIEF. AND A HIGH RELIEF IS WHEN IT COMES ABOVE THE SURFACE LEVEL. SO LIKE AN EMBOSSED CITY SEAL THAT'S SET INTO THE GROUND. YEAH. SO IT'S LOWER, NOT HIGHER. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO WHEN THE NEW CONCRETE IS POURED, WE ALL GET TO PUT OUR HANDS IN IT TO MAKE IT, TO MAKE BASS RELIEFS. THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS APPROVAL FOR THAT. OKAY. YEAH. OTHERWISE YOU MIGHT GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOW THAT WE WENT DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE. WE ARE CLEARLY WE'RE READY TO GO TO ITALY NOW. OKAY. THIS HAS BEEN NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON IT, YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. ANYBODY ONLINE? OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR MOTION. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ, BASED ON THE INFORMATION AND CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT AND UPON THE EVIDENCE AND EXPLANATIONS RECEIVED TODAY, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS APPLICATION. COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT CARRIES SEVEN. NOTHING. NEXT. AND LAST, [7. Text Amendment – Easements; Recommendation to the City Council to Amend the City Code Title 14-5-9: Utilities and Utility Easements: city-wide applicability; City of West Jordan (applicant) [Larry Gardner # 34905]] THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR EASEMENTS. RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND THE CITY CODE TITLE 14 5-9 UTILITIES AND UTILITY EASEMENTS CITYWIDE APPLICABILITY. AND LARRY, YOU'RE ON. SO THE CITY CODE FOR DECADES IS REQUIRED BLANKET PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENTS OVER ALL LOTS OF NEWLY CREATED SUBDIVISIONS. THE FRONT YARD. THERE'S A TEN FOOT EASEMENT DOWN. SOMETIMES INSIDE YARDS THERE'S A 7.5FT EASEMENT. AND IN REAR YARDS, THERE'S EITHER BEEN A TEN OR A 7.5FT. THIS WAS MORE OF A A PRACTICE OF THE PAST WHEN THE PUBLIC UTILITIES, SUCH AS ELECTRICAL AND GAS WOULD LOCATE IN REAR YARDS. HOWEVER, FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, NEITHER ONE OF THOSE UTILITIES ARE WILLING TO LOCATE IN THE REAR YARDS OF PROPERTIES, WITH THE EXCEPTION, IF IT'S A LIKE AN ALLEY LOADED TYPE, THEN THEY WILL DO THAT. BUT SO WE'LL THIS ORDINANCE WILL REMOVE THAT BLANKET REQUIREMENT AND IT WILL JUST IT WILL LEAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT IF ENGINEERING FEELS LIKE A PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT IS NEEDED IN THE REAR YARD, FOR INSTANCE, IN ONE OF THESE ALLEY LOADED TOWNHOMES, THEN THEY CAN REQUIRE THAT AS THE SUBDIVISION IS RECORDED. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. THIS HAS BEEN NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING HERE TO SPEAK ON IT WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. IF [01:20:03] YOU'RE ONLINE, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR MOTIONS. AND LARRY, THIS IS JUST FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? THIS DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING. YES, YES. YEAH. SO ANYTHING THAT'S RECORDED NOW IS STILL IN FORCE. SO. OKAY. GOT YOUR BUTTON IN. NOW GO AHEAD. BASED ON THE INFORMATION AND CRITERIA CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT AND UPON THE EVIDENCE AND EXPLANATIONS RECEIVED TODAY, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS APPLICATION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER ROBERTS. I'LL SECOND THAT AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT CARRIES SEVEN. NOTHING. COMMISSIONER GONZALES, I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN OUR MEETING * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.