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          COUNCIL MEMBER. SHELTON COUNCIL MEMBER. GREEN COUNCIL MEMBER. LAM CHAIR WHITELOCK. VICE CHAIR BADOR COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB AND ONLINE IS COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM. WE HAVE MEMBERS OF STAFF, 
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 Discussion on Separate Utility Meters for Accessory Dwelling Units]
MEMBERS OF ADMINISTRATION AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. WELCOME. TONIGHT'S FIRST TOPIC ON OUR AGENDA IS A DISCUSSION ON SEPARATE UTILITY METERS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE, I GUESS. OH, THERE HE IS. LARRY AND GREG TO THE TABLE. AND LARRY WOULD LIKE TO JUST APPOINT GREG. IT LOOKS LIKE. ALL RIGHT. COME ON UP. OH, YOUR BOSS SAYS YOU'RE JOINING. AND I WILL POINT OUT THAT I THINK YOU'VE RECEIVED NOW PROBABLY A HARD COPY AND AN EMAIL FROM MR. NEWTON. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT, YOU MIGHT WANT TO PERUSE THAT. TAKE IT AWAY, GENTLEMEN. WE HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE. LAST TIME WE CAME, THERE WAS NO LANGUAGE THAT WAS PROPOSED FOR HAVING A SEPARATE METER FOR AN ADU. SO WE WERE TASKED WITH COMING UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE AND COMING BACK TO YOU WITH THAT LANGUAGE. THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WHICH WE CAME BACK WITH TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER. WE REMIND EVERYONE THIS IS A WORK SESSION, AND THAT THERE OBVIOUSLY IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO SAY, BUT IS SAID ON THIS SHEET. AND SO WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO YOUR EDITS OR WHATEVER THAT YOU MAY WANT TO DO, KNOWING THAT WE ARE NOT ATTORNEYS AND THERE'S ALWAYS PROBABLY A CLEANER. YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ATTORNEYS. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT THERE. THERE MAY BE A CLEANER WAY TO TO SAY WHAT WE'RE DOING. YOU HAVE YOUR LICENSE. SO THERE'S POINT. SO HERE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IF YOU. CAN SEE INTERNAL ADUS DON'T REALLY NEED A SEPARATE METER CONNECTION. AND THERE'S EVEN A UTAH CODE ALLOWANCE FOR EXTERNAL ADUS. WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THEY THAT THEY ARE ALLOWABLE AND EVEN THAT THE CITY MAY REQUIRE THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THE. EXISTING UTILITY SERVICE IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE FOR THE. FOR WHAT THE ADU IS GOING TO REQUIRE. SO LET'S SAY I HAD A THREE QUARTER, EIGHT, THREE QUARTER INCH WATER LINE, AND YET WE HAD THE DEMAND THAT WAS MORE THAN THAT THREE QUARTER, PROVIDED THE CITY WOULD SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE METER. ALL OF THOSE, IF YOU NOTICE ANY SEPARATE METERS, WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THEIR INDIVIDUAL UTILITY GROUPS BEFORE THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED. SO IF YOU WANTED TO ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER METER, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER. AND IF A NEW METER WAS REQUIRED, AN IMPACT FEE WOULD HAVE TO BE CHARGED FOR THAT. OKAY, I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN HAD SOME THOUGHTS, AND I'LL SHARE AN OVERARCHING THOUGHT ON ON ON CODE LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN. YES, MY PERSONAL FEELING IS SOMETIMES WE WRITE THIS TOWARDS ATTORNEYS AND DEVELOPERS, AND THINGS LIKE THIS NEED TO BE WRITTEN TO OUR RESIDENTS. 
          BECAUSE WHEN IT'S NOTHING, NOTHING IS MORE FRUSTRATING THAN TRYING TO OBEY THE LAW AND YOU TRY TO FIND IT ON THEIR WEBSITE. YOU CAN'T FIND IT. THEN WHEN YOU DO FIND IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO MAKING THE CLARITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS ON THESE THINGS, I THINK IS SHOULD BE ONE OF OUR GOALS. AND I DON'T THINK THIS DOES THAT. SO CALVIN, DO YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS? OH, TAKE A SHOT AT IT AT SOME POINT IN TIME AND SEND YOU A COPY OF THIS THIS WEEKEND OR SOMETHING? ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT GROUP CALVIN DOES THAT. YEAH OKAY. DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FINAL, BUT I'LL TAKE A SHOT AT IT BECAUSE REALLY WHAT WE'VE GOT IN HERE IS UNDER BE YOU'VE GOT LIKE FOUR, FOUR SENTENCES. WELL 12345678 SENTENCES IN ONE PARAGRAPH. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF WORDS IN A PARAGRAPH. OKAY. WE CAN BREAK THAT UP INTO 2 OR 3 PARAGRAPHS. 
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AND. IF I CAN MAKE IT SIMPLER I'LL TRY AND DO THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRANEOUS WORDS HERE. I THINK WE CAN. AND IF YOU NEED AN ATTORNEY THAT'S GOOD AT DELETING WORDS FOR US, THAT WOULD BE MR. BOYCE. OKAY. HE'LL HELP ME WITH THAT. SURE. YES. I THINK ONE COUNCIL OR ONE QUESTION THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO CONSIDER IS. IF A SEPARATE METER IS REQUIRED, WILL, IS THERE AN APPETITE FOR HAVING THAT METER HAVE DOES THAT METER HAVE TO BE TIED TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? DO WE ALLOW A RENTER TO HAVE A CONNECTION THROUGH THAT METER, OR DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER HAVE TO BE THE ONE WHO CREATES THAT CONNECTION WITH THE CITY? I'M NOT SURE. I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, BECAUSE TYPICALLY IF WE DON'T GET PAID, THEN WE CAN PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS, RIGHT? AND EVEN FOR PAYING OUR WATER BILL, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THIS RIGHT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WATER METERS NOT TOO LONG AGO WITH RENTAL PROPERTIES. AND THERE I DIDN'T LOOK IT UP, BUT IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, IT HAS TO STAY IN THE PROPERTY OWNER'S NAME UNLESS THEY'RE UNLESS SOMEBODY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ALWAYS ON THE NAME, BUT THEY CAN SEND A COPY TO SOMEBODY. 
          THEY CAN THEY CAN BILL IT TO SOMEBODY. BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER ALWAYS GETS A COPY OR SOMETHING. ISN'T THAT RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE PROPERTY OWNER IS ULTIMATELY HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT'S HOW IT IS IN SALT LAKE CITY. BUT IN PROVO, THEY ALLOW A TENANT TO HAVE WE OWN CONNECTION. WE MADE THAT DECISION NOT TOO LONG AGO. TONIGHT. WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RENTALS AND PROPERTIES, BECAUSE THAT WAS BACK WHEN TONNAGE WAS ON. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE BECAUSE WE TALKED WE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT PROVO AND THE PROVO DID IT. AND WE DECIDED THIS THIS CITY WASN'T ADOPTING THE PROVO MODEL. 
          SO WE WERE NOT WEREN'T WE DON'T ADOPT PROVO MODEL. I'LL SPEAK I WILL SPEAK FOR THE PROVO MODEL. 
          I'M NOT NECESSARILY FOR IT. I'LL SPEAK FOR IT BRIEFLY. AND THAT IS IT. IF YOU HAVE A RENTER IN A PROPERTY, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CONNECTION WITH THE CITY. THEY PAY THE BILL DIRECTLY TO THE CITY. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S A BOON TO THE LANDOWNER. THEY DON'T HAVE TO HANDLE THAT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY US THE BILL. THE LANDOWNER DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY THE BILL SEPARATELY. 
          SO IT'S A NICE THING FOR THE LANDOWNER TO HAVE THAT RENTER WITH THEIR OWN CONNECTION. NOW, WHEN THAT PERSON MOVES OUT AND THEY GET THEY WANT TO BRING IN A NEW. A NEW RENTER, AND LET'S SAY THE BILL ISN'T PAID IN FULL YET FROM THE PREVIOUS RENTER, THAT'S GOING TO GO BACK TO THE LANDOWNER. NOW, THAT'S WHERE THE LANDOWNER HAS TO HAVE. THE LANDLORD'S NAME'S NOT ON IT TO START WITH. IT MAY NOT BE, BUT THE THE LIEN COULD BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT YOU KNOW THAT THE CITY, THE PROVO CITY IS NOT GOING TO START A NEW ACCOUNT UNTIL THE PREVIOUS ACCOUNT FOR THE SAME PROPERTY HAS BEEN PAID IN FULL. AND WE COULD WE COULD WRITE THAT INTO THE CODE WE ADDRESSED. WE DID ADDRESS THAT. AND THEN WE PUT IT IN THE CODE. IF YOU'VE GOT A COUNT, A IS NOW DEFUNCT. IT'S CLOSED, THE PERSON'S MOVED OUT. AND ACCOUNT B WANTS TO OPEN A NEW ACCOUNT FOR THAT SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY. I DON'T. AND MAYBE PEOPLE WHO KNOW BETTER THAN ME CAN SET ME STRAIGHT, BUT I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH, HEY, WE CAN'T OPEN THIS NEW ACCOUNT UNTIL THE OLD ONE'S PAID OFF. THE LANDOWNER THEN HAS TO STEP IN AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'VE GOT THIS. THIS A SECURITY DEPOSIT OF $1,000 OR WHATEVER THAT'S GOING TO SHOULD COVER THE THE. DEFUNCT ACCOUNT. AND FOR THE FOR THAT NEW PROPERTY CAN HAVE FOR THAT NEW RENTER CAN HAVE WATER SERVICE. THEY'VE GOT THAT ACCOUNT. THE OLD ACCOUNT HAS TO BE BROUGHT TO CURRENT. SO I'M NOT SAYING I'M FOR IT. I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK FOR IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR LANDOWNERS, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTING THEIR PROPERTY OUT, TO HAVE IT IN THAT, TO HAVE THAT FORM SET UP VERSUS HAVING TO DO THE BILLING THEMSELVES. SO 92892, EIGHT THREE GOVERNS THAT. CITY CODE. YEP. PROPERTY OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL CITY WATER AND RELATED SERVICE CHARGES. ALL RATES AND CHARGES IN THIS TITLE SHALL BE A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OWNER. THE CURRENT OWNER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR A PRIOR UNPAID BILL. CAN'T REQUIRE A 
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NEW OWNER. WE CANNOT REQUIRE A NEW OWNER APPLICANT TO PAY FOR SERVICES THAT WERE FURNISHED TO A PREMISE BEFORE THE NEW APPLICANT BECAME THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, NOR MAY IT DENY SERVICE TO A PROPERTY BASED ON THE DELINQUENCIES OF A PRIOR OWNER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OWNERS IN THIS CASE, NOT RENTERS, AND SO IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS PROPERTY OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE. LET'S SEE. THE BILLINGS FOR MULTIPLE UNITS ARE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS FREQUENCY. RESTORATION, BANK PROPERTY SECURITY DEPOSIT. FOR BAD CREDIT RISK, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN TITLE NINE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND IT STILL GETS IN THE BACK OF MY MIND. IT WAS BEFORE YOU AND BOB WERE ON THE COUNCIL. MCCONAUGHEY BROUGHT THAT IT WAS IT WAS MCCONAUGHEY THAT BROUGHT IT UP. AND THE COUNCIL DECIDED AT THAT POINT IN TIME IT WAS TOO DIFFICULT TO. IT'S HARDER FOR US TO COLLECT ON A WATER BILL OF SOME THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER, BECAUSE WE WANT THE PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSIBLE. IF WE PUT THE BILL SOLELY IN THE RENTERS NAME, PROPERTY OWNER MAY NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT LEGALLY. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO I THINK THAT'S A ANOTHER BRIDGE THAT YOU MAY WANT TO TACKLE ANOTHER DAY. SO MAYBE IT'S A LEGAL QUESTION THAT WE NEED ANSWERED. CORBIN'S GOT SOME INPUT. IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO. WE WE KIND OF WENT AROUND IN CIRCLES ON THIS ISSUE. WHERE WE LANDED WAS THIS LANGUAGE. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE ULTIMATE RESPONSIBLE. WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT A TENANT'S NAME ON THE BILL WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER SO THE TENANTS CAN PAY, BUT THE UTILITY BILL ULTIMATELY RESTS WITH THE OWNER. OKAY. SO LIKE A COSIGNER ON A CAR, DIDN'T IT STEM BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WANTING TO DO THE DUMPSTERS? YES, THERE WERE A LOT THAT WAS THAT WAS ONE OF THEM. YEAH. WELL IT IS MUCH EASIER FOR THE CITY WITH COLLECTIONS AND OTHER THINGS IF IT'S ELDERLY PROPERTY OWNERS. AND I WASN'T TRYING TO, LIKE, STIR UP A HORNET'S NEST OR I DON'T, AND I'M NOT SAYING I DID, BUT I JUST WANTED TO I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AND AND HAVE IT BE A POINT OF CONVERSATION. BUT I THINK CORBIN'S RIGHT. WE EVENTUALLY SAID BILLS IN THE NAME, BUT THE RENTER CAN HAVE THEIR NAME ON THE ON THE BILL SO THEY CAN PAY IT. CORRECT. SO SO ARE THERE OTHER SPECIFIC THINGS ON THIS CODE THAT WE THAT WE WANT TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT ON THIS SECTION? B AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT KELVIN SAID. BUT. 
          LINES 45 THROUGH 52 RIGHT. THE. OUR ESTEEMED FORMER MAYOR SAID BACK HERE WHEN HE BROUGHT THIS TO US, IT WAS BECAUSE HE WANTED TO DO A SEPARATE UTILITY METER RIGHT ON THIS HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE PROPERTY IS CONFIGURED, WHERE THE UTILITY LINES ARE AND ALL THAT. THIS SEEMS TO SET UP THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO REQUIRE ONE. AND THE SITUATIONS IN WHICH WE REQUIRE ONE. AND WHEN WE DO REQUIRE ONE, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED. BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN DO IT. SO THE CITY DOESN'T REQUIRE IT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS IT. HOW DO THEY DO IT? AND THE QUESTION IS STILL UNANSWERED IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          AND IT'S IT. THIS IS WHERE THIS IS WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE WEIRD STUFF, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING BEFORE THE MEETING. IT'S A SEPARATE METERS ARE PROHIBITED. EXCEPT. SO YOU CAN'T HAVE A SEPARATE METER, EXCEPT YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE EXCEPTIONS. IT'S IT MAY BE EASIER EXCEPTIONS. IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO SAY. INTERNALLY TO USE GET NO SEPARATE METERS ON ON EXTERNAL ADUS. THIS IS WHERE YOU THIS IS HOW YOU. THIS IS WHERE HOW YOU CAN GET ONE. THIS IS HOW YOU PUT IN IT. AND AND AND LET IT BE THE OWNER'S. YES. OR THE CITY'S PREROGATIVE. IF THE CURRENT CONNECTION IS NOT THE CITY, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SECTION THE CITY MAY REQUIRE UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. AND WHEN THEY DO, THIS IS WHAT WE THIS IS WHAT WE REQUIRE. THAT'S GREAT. BUT WHEN DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER GET TO DO IT? AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN HERE. THE PROPERTY OWNER GETS TO DO IT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES OR WHATEVER THAT PIECE IS MISSING. IT'S IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY DO A SEPARATE UNIT. B THE CITY CAN REQUIRE A SEPARATE IT'S A THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN DO IT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. B THE CITY CAN REQUIRE IT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES AND LINE IT 
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OUT IN STEPS THAT WE CAN ALL FIGURE. PROBABLY A STEP THAT NEEDS TO BE WHERE AS IF THE WE TALKED ABOUT THE BILLING. IF YOU DO HAVE A SEPARATE METER AND YOU DO PUT THE TENANT'S NAME ON IT AND THE TENANT DOESN'T PAY THE BILL, IT DOESN'T TURN OFF THE WATER TO THE MAIN HOUSE, IT JUST TURNS OFF THE WATER ON THE SEPARATE METER. THAT PROBABLY I THINK, I THINK IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE METERS THAT TAKES CARE OF PROPERTY OWNERS GOT METER, A PROPERTY OWNERS GOT METER B, THEY GOT TO PAY. THEY GOT TO PAY THEM BOTH. 
          WOULD THEY BE? THAT'S TRUE. BUT IT WOULD BE SEPARATE ACCOUNTS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE MAIN, THE MAIN HOUSE SHOULD BE ON ITS ON ITS OWN ACCOUNT. THEN WHEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ADU ACCOUNT NOT BEING PAID, YOU DON'T SHUT OFF THE MAIN HOUSE ACCOUNT. IF THERE'S A SEPARATE METER. IT'S NOT A BAD POINT. CORBIN. HOW WOULD YOU. WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THAT IN NINE A, WOULDN'T WE? UNDER BILLING. UNDER THE BILLING. THAT'S A THAT IS AN INTERESTING POINT RIGHT. SHUT OFFS. SHUT OFFS. WHEN THERE ARE SEPARATE METERS THAT THAT MAY BE A PROPERTY OWNER WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE PAYING THAT CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHETHER THEIR ATTENDANCE, PAYING THE BILL OR NOT, MAY END UP WOKE UP ONE DAY WHEN THEIR WATER SHUT OFF AND THEY'RE LIKE, I'M PAYING MY BILL. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? WE NOTIFY THE OWNERS HEAVILY BEFORE ANY SHUT OFFS. WE WE DON'T SHUT OFF TO TENANTS WITHOUT NOTICE, WITHOUT A LOT OF NOTICE TO THE OWNERS. 
          YEAH. SO SO THE QUESTION SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE FOR THIS AND MAYBE WE CAN REFER IT BACK TO THE TO 9 TO 8. BUT THE QUESTION FOR A SEPARATE CITY METER WOULD, WOULD BE FOR ME, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN PUT BOTH METERS ON THE SAME ACCOUNT, OR DOES BOTH METERS HAVE TO BE ON SEPARATE ACCOUNTS. AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS IT. I, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SEPARATE METER, LET'S SAY WE'LL JUST USE WATER BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND. IT HAS TO HAVE A NEW LATERAL, HAS TO HAVE A NEW METER, AND THEREFORE IT WILL BE A NEW ACCOUNT. OKAY. SO THAT'S HOW THEY THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD TREAT THAT. THAT'S HOW I IMAGINE WE DO. WE WOULDN'T LET IF IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO TIE OFF THE EXISTING LATERAL I WOULD I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE HOMEOWNER TO BUY THEIR OWN METER AND BE THEIR OWN SEPARATE HOWEVER THEY WANT TO DO IT. RIGHT. IF WE'RE GOING TO THE POINT OF HAVING A SEPARATE METER, IT'S GOING TO HAVE ITS OWN CONNECTION. IT'LL BE ITS OWN. SO WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO PUT IN THIS CODE IS THAT IF, IF THE IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO KEEP IT AS ONE ACCOUNT PROPERTY OWNER, UNLESS WE REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL CONNECTION, THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN INSTALL, THEY MAY THEY MAY BE ABLE TO THEY MAY INSTALL A METER TO KEEP TRACK OF WATER USAGE SO THEY CAN BUILD THEIR THEIR RENTAL, BUT THAT STAYS ON THE PRIMARY ACCOUNT. IF THE CITY HAS TO INSTALL A SECOND METER BASED ON THE THE THE LINE SIZE AND EVERYTHING, THEN IT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE ACCOUNT UNDER THE PROPERTY'S NAME. FOLLOWING 92AI THINK I HAVE IT RIGHT NOW SOME RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT HAVE MORE THAN ONE, RIGHT. FOR SURE. I HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, SO IT'S NOT SUPER. IT WOULDN'T BE SUPER UNCOMMON. OKAY. AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME OWNERS WHO OWN MORE THAN ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY. THEY HAVE SEPARATE BILLS FOR EACH PROPERTY. SO IT WOULD BE LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO THIS. BUT I THINK IF WE PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT'S CLEAR ABOUT THAT, IT WOULD BE BETTER. WE'D BE BETTER OFF. I COUNCIL MEMBER BLUM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SHARE? I'VE BEEN TRYING TO CHIME IN. 
          OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS ABOUT HOW INDEPENDENT WE WANT EXTERNAL ADUS TO BE, DEPENDING ON THE HOMEOWNER IN THEIR SITUATION, I, I THINK WE CAN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER SEPARATE UTILITY METERS IF THE HOMEOWNER WOULD LIKE THAT FOR THEIR EXTERNAL ADUS, BECAUSE I THINK IT OFFERS TRANSPARENCY FOR BOTH THE OWNER AND THE RENTER. BUT HOWEVER, I THINK AS THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN UNFOLDING, I AGREE A LOT WITH WHAT KELVIN HAS BEEN SAYING AND WHAT. ZACH HAS BEEN SAYING THAT WE WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE GUARDRAILS. WE SHOULD. I FEEL THAT SHOULD BE AN OWNER OCCUPANCY OWNER HELD UTILITY ACCOUNT, VERY SIMILAR TO HOW THE RENTALS USED WHERE YOU GET THE RENTAL, LIKE THE RENTER GETS THE BILL AND THEY PAY IT, BUT IT'S STILL UNDER THE OVERARCHING OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. WE WANT THE ABILITY TO STILL LEAN THAT PROPERTY, SO WE THIS IS WHAT I THINK I'VE HEARD. WE WANT IT CLEANER. KELVIN'S GOING TO DO SOME STUFF AND AND HE'LL SEND IT TO YOU. AGAIN. WE WANT THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT BILL. IF IT INVOLVES THE CITY. WHAT? I'M NOT SURE I'VE HEARD. AND I WANT 
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TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE CLEAR INSTRUCTION ON IT. IS, IS DO WE WANT TO ALLOW PROPERTY OWNERS TO REQUEST AND HAVE GRANTED THEIR OWN SEWER AND WATER HOOKUPS FOR AN EXTERNAL ADU? YES. YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THE OPEN CONVERSATION. SO YOU'VE GOT THAT. SO YOU WANT THAT YOU AND IF YOU'LL JUST WORK ON SO THAT IF I'M READING IT AND I HAVEN'T READ CODE FOR YEARS THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO JUST TEXT THE MAYOR, TEXT SOMEONE, OH, ANYBODY IN THE CITY CAN FIX IT. SO BUT BUT YOU WERE SAYING AS WELL. AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR IN HERE. TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY IS THAT IF THERE'S A SEPARATE METER, THERE'S SEPARATE IMPACT FEES. CORRECT. AND THAT. YEAH, THAT WAS THE I THINK WE WENT INTO A LOT OF DETAIL THERE ABOUT THE IMPACT FEES. I PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO GO INTO SUCH DETAIL. SO I'LL PROBABLY JUST SAY THAT SEPARATE IMPACT FEE. BUT WE PROBABLY DO NEED TO DO AN IMPACT FEE STUDY TO FIND OUT WHAT OUR IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE. 
          THAT IS PROBABLY WHAT'S NOT IN OUR STUDY RIGHT NOW, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO TALK WITH. SO THAT I WOULD ASK YOU, THERE WOULD BE AN ADU. WAY TO CALCULATE. WELL, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT. YEAH. I THINK WE NEED IT BECAUSE FOR, FOR THE AND I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK NOW I'M THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE, IN THE GREAT CITY OF LEAH TO THE SOUTH OF US, WHEN THEY WERE DOING ADUS, THEY WERE CHARGING A BUNCH OF IMPACT FEES OR SOMETHING, AND THE LEGISLATURE JUMPED IN THERE. SO WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO LOOK AT THAT AND JUST SEE, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER. BUT WE'LL WE'LL LOOK. THE LEGISLATURE ALSO JUMPED IN ON THAT. IF WE'RE NOT DOING THOSE THINGS, WE'LL BE OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OTHERWISE WE'LL LET YOU BOYS STILL STAY AT THE TABLE IF YOU WANT TO CHAIR. OH, NO. PATRICK'S NEXT. NEXT. NO. HANG ON. OKAY. IT SHOULD DO. YES. YOU WANT THAT TO COME BACK TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE OR FOR ACTION? I WANT IT TO COME BACK TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE VOTING ON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE 
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 Discussion Regarding Proposed Future Land Use Map Amendment and Rezone to Allow Residential Use on UDOT Surplus Property]
TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ON IT. YEAH, EXACTLY. OKAY. ITEM B AGAIN, WE HAVE THE LARRY AND GREG WITH UDOT DISCUSSION REGARDING PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT AND REZONE TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USE ON UDOT SURPLUS PROPERTY. ON THIS ONE. I REALLY NEED YOU TO SHOW ME EXACTLY, BECAUSE THERE'S A MAP IN THERE THAT WASN'T REAL CLEAR TO ME. LIKE, ARE YOU REALLY WANTING TO PUT HOMES RIGHT THERE BETWEEN THE HIGHWAY AND STARBUCKS? SO TO. COUNCIL. SO THERE IS BEFORE THE BRIDGE. COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LINE ON HERE. THERE WAS ACTUALLY A DOLLAR TREE A YEAR OLD RIGHT HERE THAT WAS TORN DOWN BECAUSE OF THE LIGHTNING. AND SO THIS PROPERTY WAS NOT SPEAK HOW THEY GOT. I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY SURPLUS TO THEM, AND THEY WERE REQUIRED TO BUY THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE OF THE WIDENING OF THE BANGERTER HIGHWAY. AND SO IT'S ABOUT THREE ACRES. AND SO THEIR REQUEST IS THIS IS ZONED CG RIGHT NOW, IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THEY'RE WANTING TO KNOW IF THE COUNCIL WOULD ENTERTAIN CHANGING THE LAND USE MAP TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL ZONE. DO THEY OWN ALL OF THE GREEN? THAT'S WHAT I WASN'T CLEAR ABOUT. LARRY, THIS IS NOT. INTRODUCE YOURSELF. MY NAME IS ROBERT CRUMB. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF RIGHT OF WAY FOR UDOT. AND THIS WELCOME TO SIT AT THE TABLE. OH, SURE. YOU CAN BE COUNCIL MEMBER BLUE. CAN I USE YOUR PHONE THERE? CINDY, DID YOU GET TOOK OVER FOR LYLE? YOU SIT RIGHT HERE. CHARLES. I'LL SWAP. I KNEW WILLIAM. SO WE ACQUIRED THIS FOR THE WIDENING OF BANGER AND PARTICULARLY THE WIDENING OF 6200 AND PUTTING IN THE OVERPASS WHERE THERE USED TO BE A LIGHT INTERCHANGE RIGHT THERE. 
          AND YES, WE DID TO DO THAT, TO WIDEN THE ON RAMPS. WE DID HAVE TO BUY THE WHOLE CENTER AND TEAR DOWN THE PORTION OF THE RETAIL PROPERTY THAT WAS IN THE GREEN. THERE IS STILL A STRIP OF FOR RETAIL TENANTS AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. I THINK THERE'S A THERE'S A TOBACCO SHOP, THERE'S A VAPE SHOP. I KNOW THEY HAVE SOME STRUGGLES. THE LOCATION THAT IS A GOOD RESTAURANT AND RESTAURANT. THAT'S A GOOD RESTAURANT. WHAT TRIGGERED THIS IS IT HAD BEEN 
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HELD OFF FOR A WHILE, BEING PUT IN THE SURPLUS AUCTION FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. UNCERTAINTY IS TO FURTHER WIDENING HERE. AND THEN WE DETERMINED THAT WE DID NOT NEED ANY MORE LAND FOR WIDENING THIS AREA. AND SO WE DECIDED TO SURPLUS IT. WE PUT IT IN THE LAST AUCTION AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY OFFERS ON IT. DID YOU ALLOW THEM A DRIVEWAY TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY? WE ALLOWED THEM TO DO WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE TO DO AND WORK OUT WITH THE CITY ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. SO IN ANY CASE, THE LEGISLATURE LAST IN THE 25 LEGISLATIVE SESSION, INCLUDED SOME PROVISIONS IN HB 360, WHICH ALLOWS UDOT TO SELL SURPLUS LAND AT, AS IS MARKET VALUE, FAIR MARKET VALUE, BUT ALSO ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO NOT PAY BACK UDOT OR ANOTHER STATE AGENCY FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS WHILE THEY'RE BUILDING A DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S A REAL BENEFIT AND A TIME WHERE INTEREST RATES ARE REALLY HIGH AND A BENEFIT TO THE DEVELOPER. 
          WILL THAT BE PASSED ON TO FUTURE HOMEBUYERS? WELL, I'M SURE THAT IN THE CONTRACT I THINK YOU'LL HAVE A MUCH HIGHER. I THINK THIS IS BEST USED FOR MULTIFAMILY AND POSSIBLY MIXED USE RETAIL, AND I THINK YOU'LL HAVE A MUCH HIGHER TAX BASE ON A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT HERE THAN YOU WOULD ON A PARTIALLY BUILT OUT RETAIL PROJECT. SO ANYWAY, HB 360 ALLOWED US TO USE THIS SITE FOR POSSIBLE USE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS 10% OF THE MIX BEING FOR MODERATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS 80 TO 120% OF AMI. AMI FOR SALT LAKE COUNTY IS 122,000 A YEAR. SO IT'S SIMILAR TO MARKET RIGHT NOW. BUT THE SITE, LIKE SO MANY AROUND THE CITY IN SALT LAKE CITY, LENDS ITSELF REALLY WELL TO A MULTI-STORY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT IN TERMS OF RENTERS HAVE NO ISSUE WITH PAYING IN THESE PROJECTS AND RENTING, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE BUILT WITH DOUBLE AND TRIPLE PANE WINDOWS TO HANDLE THE NOISE. NEXT TO THE ROAD. WE SEE LOTS OF THESE IN SALT LAKE IN PARTICULAR, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT THAT ATTRACTIVE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. ONE OF WHICH IS MOST DEVELOPERS LOOK AT THE RETAIL BUILDING AT THE BACK OF THE SPACE AND SAY, WELL, WE'D WANT TO TEAR THAT DOWN AND BUILD SOMETHING NEW. WE'RE NOT IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS, WE'RE NOT IN THE ZONING BUSINESS, BUT WE ARE HERE TO HELP THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES AND INCREASING THE HOUSING STOCK. AND THAT'S WHAT HB 360 WAS TO A DEGREE, ABOUT MAKING THAT MORE POSSIBLE. AND I ALSO ASKED STEVEN WALTER FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF HOUSING TO JOIN ME HERE AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GOVERNOR'S EFFORTS ON EXPANDING HOUSING STOCK. MR. WALDRON. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHAIR. AND BY THE WAY, WE HAVE 14 SITES THROUGHOUT THE WASATCH FRONT THAT WE PROFFERED UP FOR THIS PURPOSE. HOW MANY OF THEM ARE EAST OF I-15? THERE AREN'T ANY RIGHT ABUTTING THE FREEWAY, BUT THEY'RE ALL REALLY CLOSE TO THE FREEWAY BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE EAST OF I-15, BECAUSE IT'S ALL UDOT SURPLUS. AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE CONTROL. THESE 13 OTHER SITES ARE IN DIFFERENT CITIES. WE'VE MET WITH ALL THOSE CITIES. YOU CAN SEE THESE OTHER LOCATIONS ON THE UDOT WEBSITE UNDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU CAN SEE THE PARCEL MAPS. YOU CAN SEE HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO TRANSIT STOPS. AND THAT WAS PART OF OUR SELECTION PROCESS, THAT THIS WAS CLOSE TO A TRANSIT LINE. BUS STOPS, TRANSIT LINES BEFORE. 
          STEVE. BEFORE STEVE GOES, HERE'S HERE'S MY THOUGHT. WHY NOT JUST CREATE OR EXTEND? LET ME REPHRASE THAT. EXTEND. IT'S AN INTERCHANGE. AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE. WHY NOT JUST FIGURE OUT SOME OF THE COMPONENTS OF INTERSTATE OVER OVERLAY ZONE AND MAKE THIS NUMBER. WHAT DO WE HAVE A, B, C, D OR SOMETHING ON IT? WHAT, WHAT WHEREVER IT IS. AND WE MAKE THIS F OR G FOR INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE. WE JUST WE WE WE WE DESIGNATE THAT 
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AS AN I O AND MOVE ON. WE'D STILL HAVE TO DO A FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION AND TELL THEM WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THEIR IOC, BECAUSE NOT ALL IOC IS CREATED WELL. BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEAN IS WE WOULD TAKE THE IOC COMPONENTS, MAKE IT LIKE WE WOULD DO WHERE COMPONENT A AND COMPONENT B, AND THIS WOULD BE COMPONENT E, AND WE DEVELOP THAT AND WE JUST BUT WE ADD IT TO THE IOC NOT USING ANY BECAUSE THAT'S THE ZONE THAT SEEMS TO WORK HERE. YEAH. MR. GARDNER HAS SOMETHING. NICE THING ABOUT THAT IS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE IS. IT REALLY WILL WORK. IT WILL WORK LIKE THIS. AND IT REALLY DOES GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL A LOT OF CONTROL AS FAR AS DENSITY. AND IT HAS A NOT A OVERLY RIGID BUT A FAIRLY GOOD DESIGN STANDARD IN THERE. SO IT REALLY DOES GET THE COUNCIL A LOT OF CONTROL. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MULTIFAMILY OR A MIXED USE PRODUCT AT THIS LOCATION. SO THAT'S THE ONE I RECOMMEND THE REST OF. IT'S JUST LEGISLATIVE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, THE LAND USE MAP AND THE REZONING. AT TIMES WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THE DENSITIES CAN BE WHATEVER THE COUNCIL DETERMINES. 
          AND IT WOULD ALL BE APPROVED BY A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO IT SHOULD BE WHICH PROPERTY ARE WE LOOKING AT? BECAUSE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT ONLY IS HALFWAY DOWN. THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE EASEMENTS ARE. SO SO THAT IS THAT MAP WASN'T IN OUR PACKET. SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO THOSE ARE CROSS EASEMENT ARRANGEMENTS WE HAVE WITH STARBUCKS. SO THE PARKING IS FOR BOTH USERS AND BOTH SITES. AND WE HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF CONTROL OVER PARKING. WE DO BUT WE CAN BUILD OVER THAT AS LONG AS THE PARKING IS MAINTAINED. SO WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE PARKING FOR BOTH SQUARES, OR JUST ONE RIGHT NEXT TO JUST THE STARBUCKS. STARBUCKS PARKING LOT. AND THEN WHATEVER PARKING MEETS YOUR CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT GETS BUILT OVER THE PARKING LOT. LARRY, DO WE KNOW BEHIND REAMS DOES REAMS ON ALL THAT LAND BEHIND IT'S BEEN. SO TO GIVE YOU GUYS A BACKGROUND. I GREW UP IN DIXIE VALLEY AND I WAS THERE BEFORE THE REAMS WAS BUILT. AND THIS GREEN SECTION IS WHERE I USED TO RIDE MY BIKE WITH MY FRIENDS AND OUR DIRT BIKES AND ATV. SO NO, NO ATVS. BACK THEN THEY WERE THREE WHEELERS. THREE WHEELERS? YEAH, THE DANGEROUS HORSE, MR. WALDRIP. ANYWAY, GO AHEAD. 
          FINISH, FINISH. SO MY THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT STRIP OF LAND THERE IS OBVIOUSLY WAS A RETAIL FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IF YOU GO ACROSS BANGERTER ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'VE GOT HOMES. 
          AND THEN THE I THINK IT'S A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO I THINK I THINK MIXED USE IS THE BEST THING TO DO. THEY'RE NOT I MEAN, REAMS, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG ALL THE OTHER REAMS IN THE COUNTY SEEM TO BE GONE, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE 1 OR 2 WE OFFER. THREE OF THEM ARE IN WEST JORDAN CITY, SO EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO SELL TO AND. SO I JUST WANT TO DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HAVING THIS GO TO IOC? NO. I THINK THIS KEEPS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING COMMERCIAL VISION INTACT. I THINK IT'S THE BEST FITS THIS TRANSITIONAL NATURE OF THIS AREA. THIS IS WHAT I ALREADY HAD IN MY NOTES. SO CALVIN, I THINK YOU WERE SPOT ON WITH THAT. AND MR. WALDROP, HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. I DON'T THINK 80% OF THE WHATEVER AM I, AM I? YEAH, THAT'S NOT AFFORDABLE AND ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE IN OUR NORTHEAST QUADRANT THAT'S NOT AFFORDABLE. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THIS DEVELOPER IS GOING TO GET THIS CUSHY DEAL FOR HIGH RISE APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT BY A FREEWAY. OKAY. BUT YET IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU CAME IN WITH. AND YOU'RE DESCRIBING THE. THAT BOTHERS ME. NO, YOU'RE DESCRIBING THE OPPORTUNITY, I THINK IN A IN A REALLY COGENT WAY. THE OPPORTUNITY IS IF YOU AGAIN, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS IS THE WAY TO, TO TO MANAGE THAT BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO REQUIRE OWNERSHIP, OCCUPANCY. YOU CAN DO CONDOS, WHICH WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE. THE LEGISLATURE GOT EVERYTHING PASSED SO WE CAN DO CONDOS AGAIN. IS THAT ALL RIGHT? YEAH, THAT THAT HAPPENED 12 YEARS AGO. NO ONE, NO ONE IN THE FINANCE WORLD OR INSURANCE WORLD CARES. OKAY. BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME FUNDING THROUGH UTAH HOUSING CORP THAT HAS 100% FUNDING FOR OWNER OCCUPIED CONDO DEVELOPMENTS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THE THE MECHANISM THAT YOU THEN HAVE, IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT UDOT IS PROPOSING, IS A DISCOUNT TO THE PURCHASE PRICE. AND SO THAT 
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DISCOUNT TO THE PURCHASE PRICE IS THEN THE PIECE THAT YOU CONTROL FOR DETERMINING IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SELL THESE UNITS FOR. YOU CAN STIPULATE WE WANT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN IT'S JUST A NUMBERS GAME RIGHT. IF THIS IS A AND I DON'T KNOW I'M GOING TO THROW A NUMBER OUT THERE. THIS IS A $2 MILLION SITE. AND IN IN KIND OF NORMAL PRICING. 
          BUT BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED, THIS NOW BECOMES A I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VALUE IS OF A PIECE OF GROUND WITHOUT ANY ENTITLEMENTS IS ON IT, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE PRICING WOULD BE. SO LET'S SAY IT'S 200,000. YOU HAVE $1.8 MILLION THAT THE DEVELOPER IS NOT GOING TO PAY, THAT YOU THEN SAY, OKAY, WE WANT THAT $1.8 MILLION TO GO TO, SELLING 1.8 MILLION BELOW MARKET IN 27 UNITS OR 32 UNITS. CAN WE SET PRIORITIES AS TO WHO THE PURCHASER ARE? SO IT COULD BE LIKE FIREFIGHTERS OR TEACHERS. THAT'S WHAT'S WORKED IN WEBER COUNTY. OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE LOOKING AT THAT. THEY'LL DO THE WAY TO DO IT. JUST SO YOU DON'T TRIP OVER. IS IS AN EARLY ACCESS PERIOD. SO YOU SAY, HEY, FOR TWO, THREE WEEKS, WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO GIVE FIRST LOOK AND OPPORTUNITY TO FIREFIGHTERS, TEACHERS, FIRST RESPONDERS, ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY. THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TYPICAL CATEGORIES. WHAT'S THAT. SNOW PLOW DRIVERS. 
          SNOWPLOW DRIVERS LIKE SERIOUSLY CIVIL SERVANTS, COMMUNITY PEOPLE THAT WORK AND LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE CATEGORIES THAT YOU CAN DEFINE. AGAIN, THIS IS ALL IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND THEN IN THAT AS WELL REQUIRE OWNER OCCUPANCY AND THE MINIMUM IS TYPICALLY FIVE YEARS. WE WERE COUNTING ONLY TEN ON ONE OF THE PROJECTS THEY DID. BUT BUT THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY THAT PRESENTS ITSELF WITH WHAT UDOT IS BRINGING TO THE TABLE, WHICH IS A DISCOUNT TO WHAT OTHERWISE WOULD BE A MARKET RATE DEAL. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF IN YOUR NOW THAT'S IN YOUR, IN YOUR CONTROL. AS LONG AS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING IS FLEXIBLE ENOUGH, YOU WORK OUT THOSE DEALS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR ABOUT $5 MILLION. 
          HOW MANY ACRES IS IT? IT'S 2.86 ACRES. SO I APPRAISED IT. IT'S 3.5 MILLION. WHAT DO YOU I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PURCHASE PRICE WOULD BE AS WELL, I THINK I THINK THAT WHAT WE DO IS WE GO BACK AND WE DO AN APPRAISAL AND THAT WOULD CONTROL THE PURCHASE PRICE. SO IT'S NO LONGER A THE DEAL IS NO LONGER BEING BROUGHT TO UDOT ON THE BASIS OF THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GETTING BECAUSE THE APPRAISAL SETS THE VALUE. SO IT'S NO LONGER A COMPETITION ON MONEY, ON DOLLARS. IT'S A COMPETITION ON WHO CAN DELIVER THE BEST THING. AND THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY IS UDOT WORKS IN CONCERT WITH EVERYBODY TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S GOING TO BRING THE BEST PRODUCT TO YOUR CITY. SO STEVE, GIVEN THIS AS IS AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND ALL THIS STUFF, IS THERE A WAY IN THE PURCHASE THAT ANYBODY COULD REQUIRE? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S THE STATE, THE CITY OR ANYBODY THAT REQUIRES THAT SOME OF THIS BE SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION BE FUNDED BY OLENE WALKER HOUSING FUND. SO I THINK THAT'S WELL WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY IS I THINK, I THINK IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT SAYING THAT WE'RE A SERIOUS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY. WELL, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE UP THAT MUCH COMMERCIAL AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE UP THAT MUCH COMMERCIAL, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS HAS GOT TO BE THAT IT'S TIED TO THAT IT THAT IT'S TRULY AFFORDABLE, NOT NOT THE DEEPLY AFFORDABLE AND THAT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE YOU GET INTO THE LINGO, RIGHT. DEEPLY AFFORDABLE AFFORDABLE ATTAINABLE. AND SO YOU HAVE THESE KIND OF TRANCHES. AND AND AGAIN THIS ALLOWS YOU TO SORT OF SET THOSE OWNER OCCUPIED AND OWNER OCCUPIED. AND THIS GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY THEN AGAIN TO GO BACK TO YOUR TO YOUR CITY EMPLOYEES AND SAY, HEY, PUT IN FOR THE POOL TO BE ONE OF THE PURCHASERS OF THESE UNITS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT COMES TO UDOT AND WHAT GETS DECIDED AS, AS AND AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING FOR ROSS. WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE. WE'RE DOING THIS NOW IN IN SEVERAL COMMUNITIES. BUT CREATING THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT, WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO LOOK AT INCORPORATING SOME OF THE THE STATE STATUTE REQUIREMENTS IN THERE AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN WE CAN REQUIRE I MEAN, IF WE'RE DOING WE'RE TALKING MULTIFAMILY HERE, WE'RE DEFINITELY TALKING MORE THAN SIX UNITS AN ACRE. SO THE THE HOP WOULD PROBABLY IF WE CAN PUT SOME OF THE HOP REQUIREMENTS IN THE IOC AND SAY 
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THE OVERARCHING ZONE IS THE IOC, BUT WE ALSO WANT HOME OPPORTUNITY, HOME OPPORTUNITY ZONE IN IT SO THAT WE CAN DEED RESTRICT FOR THE THE NUMBER OF YEARS THE STATUTE REQUIRES AND INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING. YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE JUST AN EXAMPLE. SO YOU SORRY LET ME JUST FINISH THAT. SO ON THE HOP YOU GET 15 YEARS 60% OF THE TIF OFF OF THE PROJECT SITE OR RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S PRETTY GARDNER. AND THAT WILL BE REQUIRED BECAUSE AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE IS A UTILITY STRAIGHT TO THE SEWER. YEAH, THIS ISN'T REALLY A GREAT PLACE TO PUT IN MULTIFAMILY. IT'S IN AN OLDER AREA THAT'S ALL BUILT OUT. MY WATER LINES ARE SIX INCH. THEY'RE NOT EVEN 12, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO REQUIRE. I BELIEVE MY SEWER IS AN EIGHT INCH, AND IF YOU'RE TALKING Z TYPE DENSITY, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE BIG ENOUGH EITHER. SO THERE MAY BE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE DESIRED YOU. THAT THE 25 LEGISLATURE DID SET ASIDE $70 MILLION OF INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING TO HELP WITH THESE KIND OF HOUSING PROJECTS, SO THERE IS ADDITIONAL HELP FROM THE STATE TO MAKE THESE THINGS WORK. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL NEED THAT, INCLUDING FUNDS FOR UDOT WORK THAT HAS TO GO ON AROUND THE PROPERTY. AND, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF OF STRONGER AMA LEVELS, WE JUST HELP UTAH HOUSING CORPORATION WITH AN ACRE AND A HALF PIECE OF LAND THAT WE LET THEM USE IN 1969 WITH A RESERVATION CLAUSE. 
          AND. THE CITY OF SALT LAKE QUITCLAIMED IT TO THE VALLEY MENTAL HEALTH ENTITY WITHOUT TELLING ANYONE. AT UDOT AND VALLEY MENTAL HEALTH BUILT AN EIGHT UNIT HOUSING PROJECT FOR THE SERIOUSLY HANDICAPPED. 30% AMI AND THAT'S BUILT. AND THEN THEY VACATED IT TO TEAR IT DOWN THIS YEAR, AND THEN CAME TO US AND SAID, WE HAVE A CLOUD ON TITLE. CAN YOU HELP US FIX IT? BECAUSE WE WANT TO BUILD A 68 UNIT? AMI SO I WORKED WITH STEVE ON THE BOARD OF THE UTAH HOUSING CORPORATION, AND WE MADE ALL THAT POSSIBLE TO GET THAT DONE USING LAND THAT UDOT OWNS AND CONTROLS. SO 30% AMI IT'LL BE 68 UNITS, A MULTI-FLOOR BUILDING, BUT FOR THE HANDICAPPED IT'LL BE 100% HANDICAPPED RENTERS. SO WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THIS ISSUE. I JUST AM TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT HOW WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND THEN HEARING WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT Y'ALL CONSIDER AFFORDABLE WHEN I KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THE HOUSING CRISIS. AND THEN WHAT I SEE IN MY CITY IS DEVELOPERS COME IN AND WE APPROVE A BIG PROJECT, AND WE PUT IN REQUIREMENTS FOR MODERATE INCOME HOUSING, AND IT DOESN'T COME AND IT DOESN'T COME. AND EVEN WHEN I ASK, I GET TOLD, WELL, MAYBE THEY'LL BUILD SOME IDEAS. THAT'S NOT WHAT I THOUGHT I AGREED TO. SO THAT'S WHERE MY SKEPTICISM IS COMING. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCESS, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE VITAL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU ESTABLISH THOSE PARAMETERS THAT ACTUALLY GET IT. DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WE PLACE, WE WANT. I THINK THIS IS WHAT OUR COUNCIL WANTS. IF I'M WRONG, CORRECT ME, BUT WE'RE OKAY HAVING HOUSING HERE. WE THINK IOC MIGHT BE THE RIGHT ZONE FOR OUR CITY WITH SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THERE, BECAUSE WE WANT OWNER OCCUPIED AND REALLY AFFORDABLE. AND IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT FOR SPENCER COX, WE ARE GOING TO NEED SOME STATE MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE FOR IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T PLANNED FOR MULTI HOUSING PLANT, FOR COMMERCIAL AND I THINK DID I MISS ANYTHING. THE FIRST LINE ON THAT IS LOOKING AT THE. 
          REMIND ME OF THE ACRONYM. I FORGOT THE ACRONYM HOP Z WORKED ON THAT ONE I THINK SO. YEAH, I THINK SO. SO MANY ACRONYMS. BUT THAT WOULD PROVIDE SO SO THAT'S AND JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LEGISLATION DID, IT ALLOWS THE CITY TO DESIGNATE UNILATERALLY UP TO TEN ACRES IN A PARCEL AND, AND GIVES YOU ACCESS TO 60% OF THE TIF FOR 15 YEARS. YOU CAN BOND AGAINST TO CREATE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S LIKE THAT'S THAT'S EASY MONEY. AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ESTIMATES ARE. THERE'S AN APPLICATION PROCESS THAT WILL COME THROUGH GOYO FOR THAT $70 MILLION THAT ROSS REFERENCED THAT WAS SET ASIDE FROM THE 
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SECOND, FIFTH, FIFTH OR WHATEVER THE THE MONEY CAME FROM ON THAT. BUT THAT'S A BOARD THAT WAS JUST STOOD UP. I'M ON THAT BOARD AS WELL. THREE MEMBER BOARD TO APPROVE THOSE PROJECTS. SO THESE ARE THE KIND OF PROJECTS, A GOOD APPLICATION AND WE WILL MY BOSS IS ONE OF THE OTHER VOTES. OH YEAH THAT'S RIGHT CARLOS IS THERE. SO WE TWO OF THE THREE. 
          BUT BUT THIS IS THE KIND OF WORK. THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING. SO HOPEFULLY YOU APPROVE IT. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. TERTIARY. I WAS AT A MEETING IN SOUTH JORDAN REGARDING TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLANS, AND THERE WAS ONE PROPOSED PLAN FOR A TRAX LINE GOING RIGHT DOWN BANGERTER HIGHWAY. AND YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT AWARE THAT IT'S IT'S JUST A PROPOSED IT'S JUST AN IDEA. I THINK IT'S NOT ANYTHING SET IN STONE, I'M SURE. BUT WHEN I SEE THIS PROPERTY BEING SOLD BY UDOT, I THINK, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY IT BACK AGAIN IF THAT HAPPENS? YOU KNOW, SO I NEVER HEARD THAT CONCEPT BEFORE. AND I'VE BEEN HERE TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND SIGNED EVERY REAL ESTATE CONTRACT AND ATTEND EVERY PLANNING MEETING. IT'S ONE OF THE FRESH START AND IT'S IN THE SOUTHERN END. IT'LL GO FROM SOUTH FLORIDA DOWN TO THAT END OVER INTO UTAH COUNTY. RIGHT. WHEN I SAW IT, I THOUGHT IT WENT ALL THE WAY NORTH TO THE AIRPORT, BUT IT WAS NOT. IT'S JUST A IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT LIKE A FUTURE PLAN. IT'S MORE OF A OF A POSSIBILITY. WE DO HAVE SOME RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE RED LINE FROM THE DAYBREAK STATION DOWN THROUGH HARRIMAN, WHERE IT WAS GOING TO LOOP AROUND BEFORE THEY DECIDED TO TAKE MOUNTAIN VIEW OVER INTO UTAH COUNTY. AND IT MAY BE A CONCEPT TO EXTEND, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BY UTA. I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE OFF TOPIC. YEAH, WE ARE DEFINITELY I APOLOGIZE. SO DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US? I SEE MR. LEE'S MOVING. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME. THANK YOU. ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION OF THE COUNCIL. I GENERALLY HEARD SOME SUPPORT FOR. I WAS ON THIS SIDE AS WE TALKED ABOUT. I LOOKED AT BOTH SIDES OF DIXIE DRIVE THEIR DREAMS. THE VACANT PARCEL COUNCIL, ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF A LITTLE BIT BROADER LOOK OF IT THAN JUST THIS UDOT PROPERTY? YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD SERVE AS MORE OF A REDEVELOPMENT TOOL. THIS IS 40 SOME YEARS OLD AND MAYBE YOUNGER THAN ME. YEAH. IS ANYONE OPPOSED TO HAVING ALL OF THAT BE IOC? I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE, MR. GARDINER? ANYTHING ABOUT LIKE HOW MANY UNITS WERE WILLING TO LOOK AT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, YOU MAY GET 60 UNITS ON, ON, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S SEVEN STORIES TALL. THE NEIGHBORS IN DIXIE VALLEY ARE GOING TO COME OUT IN FORCE SAYING, NO, THEY'RE THERE'S DESIGN REGULATIONS IF IT'S NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY, ■HAS TO STEP UP, STEP UP CERTAIN FOOTAGE FROM THE PROPERTY SO WE COULD JAM, JAM BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO US. PERTINENT QUESTION, THOUGH, IF THIS DOES CHANGE LIKE IT'S GOING TO DOES, ARE THEY PLANNING TO TEAR DOWN THAT STRIP MALL THAT'S THERE LIKE THE IT'S REALLY UP TO THE DEVELOPMENT PARTY UNLESS YOU WANT US TO TO DO THAT. NO, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS THE PLAN IS TO REDEVELOP THE WHOLE THING, INCLUDING NOW IF IT'S MIXED USE, THEN YOU COULD MOVE THAT THE CHINESE RESTAURANT INTO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE I HEARD IT'S GOOD. IT'S TIGHT. RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S A TIGHT. YEAH. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          [c.
 Discussion on Proposed Amendments to West Jordan City Code Title 2 Chapter 6 and Title 3 Chapter 4 Related to Fee Waivers and City Support]
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. IS A DISCUSSION ON PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO WEST JORDAN CITY CODE TITLE THREE, CHAPTER SIX AND TITLE THREE, CHAPTER FOUR RELATED TO FEE WAIVERS AND CITY SUPPORT. MR. BOYCE, GOOD EVENING. THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF A DISCUSSION FROM SEPTEMBER, SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S NOTHING TO OUT OF THE BLUE. A LOT OF THE SAME TYPE OF LANGUAGE THAT WAS BROUGHT ORIGINALLY. WE'VE GOT SOME CLARIFYING DEFINITIONS IN. 
          THREE FOUR, TITLE THREE. CHAPTER FOUR HAS MOST OF THE RED LINES AND INSERTIONS FOR 
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THE LANGUAGE HERE. CLARIFYING OBVIOUSLY WHAT IT MEANS TO WAIVE A FEE, CLARIFYING KIND OF THE MAYOR'S SIDE OF THINGS, CLARIFYING THE CITY SIDE OR CITY COUNCIL'S SIDE OF THINGS, DISCUSSING THE REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UNCOLLECTIBLE ACCOUNTS, I KNOW WE HAD HAD A DISCUSSION ON THAT A WHILE AGO. AND THEN PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ADDITION THERE IS THREE, FOUR, THREE STARTING AT LINE 57 ON THE RED LINE. JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR A FEE WAIVER. AND JUST KIND OF WHAT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE COME BACK THERE. MAKES REFERENCE TO 262, WHICH SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PACKET AS WELL, MAKING SURE THAT WHOEVER'S RECEIVING. THE SUPPORT SIGNS ON TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION OF THEIR BOOKS AND THEIR ACCOUNTING PRACTICES. THAT'S MY QUESTION, AND I THINK IT'S IN THE CLEAN VERSION. IT'S LINE 53 AND IT SAYS PROVIDE PROOF OF CURRENT REGISTRATION AS A NONPROFIT ENTITY. YEAH. IS CURRENT PROOF OF DETERMINATION. YEAH. SO SO I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY IT'S IRS BECAUSE THE IRS IS GOING TO BE WHAT WOULD BE LIKE YOUR 500 1C3 TAX EXEMPT ENTITY. WHAT I THINK THE CODE, THE STATE CODE AND WHAT I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IS SOMETHING FROM THE STATE OF UTAH, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF, OF CORPORATIONS SAYING YOU'RE REGISTERED AS A NOT FOR PROFIT LLC OR SOMETHING, AND THEY'LL GIVE THAT TO YOU. WHEN YOU SEND THE IRS DETERMINATION THEY WILL. THE IRS DETERMINATION LETTER IS A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED. AND NOT EVERYBODY, NOT EVERY NONPROFIT, IS A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION UNDER 501. RIGHT. 
          SO SO YOU CAN BE YOU CAN BE A NONPROFIT AND NOT BE WITH NOT BE CATEGORIZED AS A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION WITH THE IRS CAN BE NOT FOR PROFIT AND STILL PAY TAXES. IS THE BOTTOM LINE TRUE? SO WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT. AND AND THIS DOESN'T PRECLUDE A FEE WAIVER FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD DUMPSTER CLEANUP. IT DOES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A 503. SO HOW DOES THAT IT DOES. 
          SO WE HAD WE HAD A DISCUSSION. AND OF COURSE ALAN LEFT. WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION I THINK IN SEPTEMBER WHERE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE THE COUNCIL SETTING UP A BUDGET OF FUND ON A LINE ITEM. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IF THEY WANTED TO COME, IF A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP WANTED TO COME AND REQUEST THAT ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL THAT'S BUDGETED, IT'S SET ASIDE FOR PROJECTS THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO SUPPORT AND MAYBE CO-SPONSOR FROM THIS. 
          RIGHT, OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS TO CALL GROUPS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE CITY AS NON-FOR-PROFIT BECAUSE THAT THAT THE THE THING THAT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO TALK ABOUT MORE IN DETAIL IS IF THAT GROUP, IF THAT GROUP NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH, NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL, I'M NOT SURE I'M GOING TO GET THE ORDINANCE WRITTEN AND GET INTRODUCED BEFORE I LEAVE. IF WE HAD THAT, THAT KIND OF AN ORGANIZATION, IS THAT JUST THE CITY? AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE WAIVING THE FEES FOR THE CITY, WHICH WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE STATUTE. AND I THINK THAT MAY BE THE EASIER WAY TO GO. OR WE CAN ESTABLISH THE BUDGET. BUT I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE TALK. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE WHAT WE NEED TO DECIDE IS DO WE WANT TO ESTABLISH A BUDGET AND WE THROW THE MONEY IN THERE. SO THERE'S NOT A LOSS OF FUNDS FOR A DEPARTMENT OR WHICH I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO ANYWAY. BY THE WAY, WHEN, WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TO TAKE STUFF OUT OF HIDE FOR BLOCKING ROADS OR WHATEVER. BUT SOME OF THESE MAY BE EASY FOR THE COUNCIL TO WAIVE BECAUSE IT'S IF THE IF THE GROUP IS, IS A CITY GROUP AND WE DESIGNATE WHAT CITY GROUPS ARE, THEN WE JUST WAIVE THE FEE FOR THE CITY GROUP. AND AND AND IF WE HAVE THE MONEY, WE TRANSFER THE BUDGET. SO JUST JUST SOMETHING TO PUT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND AS WE LOOK AT THIS. YEAH. I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT I THINK ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN I'M THINKING OF JUST HOW WHAT IS THE SCALE LOOK LIKE IS, IS THAT STARTS TO GROW AND HOW HOW LARGE COULD IT GET BEFORE IT BALLOONS. AND YOU HAVE TO LIMIT IT. THAT WOULD BE RESTRICTED BY 
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ORDINANCE. HOW IT ALL WOULD IF THERE'S AN APPLICATION OR HOW I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO THOSE KIND OF THINGS ANYWAY, AND IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THIS WHICH, WHICH JUST TO COUNTER THE POINT, IS IT BETTER FOR THEM TO JUST GO FILE THEIR $50 WITH THE STATE TO BE A NONPROFIT, LLC? AND IF WE WANT I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO FORCE A NEIGHBORHOOD. HERE'S MY OPINION. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO FORCE A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE BROWNS. BROWNS MEADOW THAT DOES THAT ANNUAL THING EVERY YEAR. WE'RE NOT GOING TO FORCE THEM TO PAY MONEY TO RUN DOWN AND SOMEHOW ESTABLISH A GROUP THAT THEN THEY HAVE TO DO THE PAPERWORK AND EVERYTHING EVERY YEAR JUST SO THEY CAN DO A COMMUNITY CLEANUP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S TO ME, THAT'S NONSENSE. 
          AND AND JUST AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE THE IDEA AND THE LANGUAGE ON THIS, LIKE NON FOR PROFIT STUFF COMES FROM 1082. AND SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT FROM, IT'S NOT FROM MY BRAIN. AND 1082 SAYS NONPROFIT ENTITY. IT DOESN'T DEFINE IT. THAT'S TRUE. AND AND HONESTLY GIVEN THE GIVEN THAT THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE I THINK YOU AND I DISAGREE BECAUSE I THINK THAT 1082 THE NONPROFIT ENTITY IS VAGUE ENOUGH THAT WE COULD WE SITTING AT THIS TABLE COULD DEFINE WHAT THE CITY THINKS A NON-FOR-PROFIT ENTITY IS. AND I THINK WE COULD DO THAT. I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. SO WHAT I WHAT I'M THINKING IS LET'S PASS THIS. BUT WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO IS LOOK AT. DOES THE IS THERE A SO PATRICK GOING TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT A MINUTE AGO, IS THERE AN APPLICATION PROCESS. THAT GOES THROUGH SOMEBODY LIKE GLORY? THEN IT COMES TO US AND THAT AND IT AND THAT IS HOW WE DESIGNATE A NON A CITY, A CITY DESIGNATED NON FOR PROFIT ENTITY IS IT'S A GROUP LIKE BROWNS PARK MEADOWS. IT'S IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH GROUP. LIKE GOING OUT AT IT SHOULD BE AN APPLICATION SHOULD BE SHOULD BE AN APPLICATION SHOULD BE SOMETHING. BUT IT'S IT GOES THROUGH YOU GUYS BECAUSE GLORY WON'T WAIT. YEAH IT GOES THROUGH. IT GOES IT GOES THROUGH YOU GUYS WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE WITH GLORY. SINCE SHE'S THE THE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PERSON COMES TO YOU AND THEN IT COMES TO US AS A FINAL DESIGNATION TO APPROVE THAT APPLICATION AS A CITY DESIGNATED NOT FOR NOT FOR PROFIT ENTITY. AND SO WE HAVE THREE GATEKEEPERS, RIGHT? WE HAVE GLORY. WE HAVE YOU, WE HAVE US. AND THEN THEY JUST FALL UNDER THIS ORDINANCE. 
          WOULD THAT WORK, PATRICK I THINK SO. I SAY LET'S DO IT THAT WAY. I THINK THAT'S THE SIMPLEST, IS THAT WE, WE, WE, WE FIGURE OUT WHERE TO THROW IN A CITY DESIGNATED NOT FOR PROFIT. AND IT'S IT'S DESIGNATED THROUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN THEY JUST FOLLOW THESE PROCEDURES FOR FEE WAIVER. SHOULD WE DO LIKE A REVIEW CLAUSE. SO THAT WAY WE CAN CHECK BACK IN TWO YEARS AND REPORT BACK AND SEE HOW THE SYSTEM HAS USED AND WHETHER WE NEED TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO IT. GOOD IDEA. JUST JUST HAVE HAVE AN APPLICATION AND HAVE IT REVIEWED. RIGHT. ANY OTHER PATRICK I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, BUT MAYBE I'LL JUST GET WITH YOU ONLINE. I THINK WE THERE'S THERE'S A COUPLE OF WORDS WE CAN ELIMINATE JUST TEN MINUTES. YOU CAN YOU CAN GIVE THEM TO HIM. SO YOU WANT TO GO REALLY QUICK. LET'S JUST CAN I JUST TELL YOU QUICKLY GOT MY LEGISLATIVE LINE 13 WHERE IT SAYS REMITS MEANS TO FORGIVING SURGERY. I'M ON THE I'M ON THE LEGISLATIVE LINE 13. HOW ABOUT CHANGING MEANS TO FORGIVE. JUST MEAN CHANGE. IT MEANS FORGIVING. DROP THE WORD TO AND CHANGE THE WORD FORGIVING. AND YOU GOT A WORD. YOU GOT A WORD ELIMINATED. BUT WE'RE ADDING CHARACTERS. I MEAN, YEAH, YOU'RE ADDING CHARACTERS. ARE WE ACCOUNTING CHARACTERS OR WORDS? YEAH. 
          ANYWAY, HE'S CALLING YOU MAN. GOING DOWN TO WHERE WAS IT? OH, LINE 43, THE REPORT PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL DROPPED THE WORD SHALL. THE REPORT IS IT HAS TO INCLUDE IT. WE DON'T NEED SHALL THERE. AND THEN THERE WAS ONE, THERE WAS ONE HERE THAT WAS REALLY DRIVING ME NUTS. AND I LET ME DO THE SEARCH ON THIS. THE WORD THERE'S A LINE IN HERE THAT THAT IT. OH, IT'S LINE 59. 
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LINE 50 AND IT'S LINE 59 AND LINE 60. LINE 59. THERE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A FEE WAIVER ARE SEMICOLON. YOU CAN GET SET FORTH AS FOLLOWS. BECAUSE THOSE ARE JUST REDUNDANT WORDS. THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A FEE WAIVER ARE OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS LINE 60. COMPLETE AND APPLICATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 262 THE UTAH LEGISLATURE. ALAN AND I WENT THROUGH THIS THE OTHER DAY. BY THE WAY, DID YOU KNOW THAT 1082 WAS AMENDED IN THE SPECIAL SESSION OF THE UTAH LEGISLATURE THIS LAST YEAR? I THINK I SAW THAT IT WAS UPDATED. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID? AND, AND, AND AND 1082 I DIDN'T SEE WHAT THEY DROPPED THE WORDS PURSUANT AND CHANGED TO IN ACCORDANCE WITH. I'M SERIOUS. I LIKE PURSUANT I, I MIGHT HAVE TO WRITE MY LEGISLATOR I'M DRAFTING ATTORNEY HEATER IN THERE. YEAH. BUT THAT'S WHERE THE LEGISLATURE'S GOING WITH IS IS TAKING YOU. IT'S NOT USING THE WORD PURSUANT USING IN ACCORDANCE WITH. OKAY. GOT THAT PATRICK I, I LIVING IN THE PAST MAN ANY OTHER. AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE THE APPLICANT WILL BE INFORMED OF THE ESTIMATED FEES. CAN WE STRIKE OUT THE WORDS A MEMBER OF THE THE COUNCIL WILL BE INFORMED BY THE COUNCIL OFFICE OR OR OR COUNCIL OFFICE STAFF. BY COUNCIL OFFICE STAFF? STAFF? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S CLEANER. YEAH. AND MAYBE IN LINE 64 JUST SAY IF THE ESTIMATED FEES ARE GREATER THAN $5,000 AN AGREEMENT. AN AGREEMENTS. AND JUST BECAUSE IT'S A REQUIREMENT. RIGHT. JUST AN AGREEMENT SIGNED BY THE APPLICANT AND THEN JUST LEAVE AND STRIKE THE REST. JUST AN AGREEMENT SIGNED BY THE APPLICANT AND WHATEVER'S IN THE AGREEMENT THE APPLICANT HAS TO SIGN. AND WE ALWAYS DRAFT THE AGREEMENT ACCORDING TO TWO, SIX, THREE. ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT WAS MY THOUGHT. JUST THINK ABOUT THAT ONE. THAT 1ST MAY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK. BUT I THINK IF WE CAN JUST CALL IT A OR A FORM SIGNED AND JUST TAKE THE WORDS WE'LL NEED TO BE TO SAY A FORM SIGNED BY THE APPLICANT AGREEING TO THE AGREEMENTS, WE DROPPED A BUNCH OF WORDS THAT ARE UNNECESSARY. 
          SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. ANYBODY KNOW THAT KELVIN OFFERED TO DO THAT PRIVATELY? BUT YOU GUYS SAID NO, NO, NO. YEAH. SO ANYWAY I'M DONE. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. AND THAT TOOK ONLY THREE MINUTES SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TO COME BACK TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, OR IS IT NOW THAT IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED TWICE, JUST GO TO A COUNCIL MEETING. I THINK IT'S CLEAN ENOUGH TO JUST COME BACK TO A COUNCIL MEETING. 
          ANYONE DISAGREE? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. MEETING. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS 
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 Discussion of a Proposed Environmental Resolution to Establish Long-Term Sustainability]
THE DISCUSSION OF A PROPOSED ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY. THIS IS BROUGHT TO US BY COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB AND COUNCIL MEMBER BLOOM, WHO'S LEADING OUT. I THINK I SENT THIS TO MOST OF YOU PROBABLY LIKE SIX MONTHS AGO, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT. JUST TO GET FEEDBACK ON IT. AND SO THIS IS WHAT I'VE COME UP WITH. AND THE GOAL HERE IS JUST TO EXAMINE TWO PAGES. THE GOAL HERE IS JUST TO PUT SOME. 
          THAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR. PUT SOME TEETH OR PUT SOME DIRECTION INTO CITY POLICY WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGETING, WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER THINGS TO SAY, WE WANT TO WORK SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES INTO OUR CITY. AND IT'S LIKE KIND OF ONE AT A TIME. I DID DISCUSS THIS, BY THE WAY, WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE LAST WEEK BEFORE IT WASN'T LAST WEEK. LAST WEEK WAS THANKSGIVING. YEAH, A WEEK AND A HALF AGO. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEY LOVED IT. THEY THEY SEEMED TO GIVE WHOLEHEARTED SUPPORT. THEY ARE TASKED IN A NUMBER FOUR TO EMPOWER THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE TO ENGAGE RESIDENTS, TO EDUCATE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES. 
          THROUGH PUBLIC OUTREACH AND STUFF LIKE THAT ABOUT THESE INITIATIVES. SO WHAT WE'RE 
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ASKING TO DO IS JUST TO MAKE IT CITY POLICY, AND THIS COULD BE AN ORDINANCE INSTEAD OF A RESOLUTION IF WE WANTED IT TO. WANT TO PUT THIS INTO CODE SOMEWHERE. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS PROBABLY JUST THE RESOLUTION. IT GIVES US A FRAMEWORK FOR SOME LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY DIRECTION WITHOUT BINDING US REALLY TO ANYTHING. BUT IT ALSO SIGNALS OUR PRIORITIES, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE DO THE RETREAT. WELL, WHEN YOU GUYS DO THE RETREAT THIS NEXT, NEXT YEAR. BUT IT'S JUST A COMMITMENT AND SHOWING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WATER WISE, SUSTAINABILITY, ETCETERA, ETCETERA, AND VALUES THAT WE CAN SUPPORT. IT EXPRESSES THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS STUFF HAPPENS FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, FROM STAFF, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO WATER WISE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS AND INTEND TO EXTEND THIS TO CITY PARKS, OPEN SPACES, REDUCING NONFUNCTIONAL TURF, CHOOSING NATIVE WATER WIDE WATER WISE VEGETATION FOR CITY PARKS. AS NEW PARKS ARE BUILT AND EXISTING PARKS ARE RENOVATED. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE WE'RE ASKING THE STAFF TO WE'RE NOT DIRECTING, BUT WE'RE SAYING THIS IS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. 
          SO AS YOU DESIGN A PARK, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE AS IT COMES UP AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU SEE THERE, AND I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS ON IT. YEAH, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THIS WOULD NOT BE AN ORDINANCE THING, SINCE IT'S OBVIOUSLY WE'RE JUST SOME CITIES HAVE IT IN CODE. YEAH, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT. WE CAN'T SAY WE ENCOURAGE AND MAKE AN ORDINANCE THAT MAKES NO SENSE. THAT WOULD PUT A LOT MORE TEETH IN. YEAH. 
          SHARPER TEETH. BUT I MEAN MOST OF THIS IS JUST WISHES AND. YEAH I MEAN IT'S I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY FULLY ON THAT. SO WHEN WHEN IT SAYS AIR QUALITY COMMITS TO PHASING OUT GASOLINE POWERED LANDSCAPING EQUIPMENT IN FAVOR OF ZERO EMISSION ALTERNATIVES TO CUT POLLUTION, WHO IS THAT FOR? IS THAT FOR OUR CITY? IS THAT FOR OUR RESIDENTS? IS THAT FOR EVERYONE? FOR OUR CITY? FOR OUR CITY? WE CAN'T WE DON'T TELL WE DON'T TELL RESIDENTS WHAT LAWNMOWERS HAVE TO BUY. AND WHEN IT SOMEWHERE IT MENTIONS THAT THERE'S NO FISCAL NOTHING. I DISAGREE. WELL, JUST AS THIS RESOLUTION CARRIES NO FISCAL IMPACT AS REPLACEMENTS ARE NEEDED. SO INSTEAD OF BUYING THE ONE LAWN MOWER, YOU BUY ANOTHER ONE, WHICH WILL COST MORE. IT MIGHT COST MORE, IT MIGHT NOT COST MORE. WELL, IF YOU GET ONE OF THOSE ROBOT POWERED ONES THAT REQUIRE AN EMPLOYEE, YEAH, WE'D START PHASING OUT. YEAH, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY THEY COULD POTENTIALLY SAVE THE CITY MONEY. THEY COULD. IT DEPENDS ON WHICH MODEL YOU GO WITH. BUT THEN IT TAKES AWAY JOBS I GUESS. I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT DOES IT REALLY DO? WHY ARE WE WORRYING ABOUT CASTING A RESOLUTION FOR THIS WHEN WE'VE ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THESE THINGS IN THE CITY, SO IT'S ALREADY WE'RE CHANGING OUT OUR. LIGHTS, LEDS. WE'RE WE'RE FLIPPING ALL OUR GRASS THAT ISN'T USABLE TO ROCK, SOME, SOME. SO WE'RE DOING IT ALREADY. WELL, THE COUNCIL BEHIND SOME SPECIFIC THINGS IS WHAT IT IS. 
          THE COUNCIL OR THE WISH OF THE COUNCIL WILL. THE COUNCIL WOULD SEE MORE. WE'RE DEMANDING THIS. 
          I CAN'T SPLIT HAIRS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT. YEAH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT IS IT'S NOT REALLY. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THING. THE WILL SAYS YOU WILL DO ALL THESE THINGS. WELL THESE A LOT OF THESE THINGS. WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT IT'S A GUIDANCE. BUT WE'LL ENCOURAGE THAT DOESN'T THAT'S NOT VERY DEMANDING. I ENCOURAGE MY KIDS TO CLEAN THEIR ROOM, BUT PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CLEAN THEIR ROOM UNLESS YOU WANT TO PUT IT. IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. AND THIS IS WHERE A RESOLUTION TAKES WHAT'S DISCRETIONARY, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, AND IT TURNS IT INTO KIND OF, I GUESS IN A WAY EFFICIENT DIRECTION. SO IT SURVIVES ELECTIONS AND STAFF TURNOVER AND SHIFTING PRIORITIES THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MEANT A LOT TO US, THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO. YEAH. AND AND YOU COULD PUT A LOT MORE TEETH INTO IT WITH AN ORDINANCE AND PUT IT INTO CODE AND SAY YOU WILL. THAT'S THE ONLY TOOL WE HAVE TO OFFICIALLY DIRECT THE ADMINISTRATION IS TO PUT IT INTO CODE. THIS IS THIS RESOLUTION IS OPENING THAT DOOR IF YOU WANT TO GO, IF IF YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER, I DON'T WANT TO GO TO AN ORDINANCE. I WOULD SAY THE RESOLUTION IS NECESSARY. IF PEOPLE DID WANT TO GO TO AN ORDINANCE, YOU WOULD NEED THE RESOLUTION. YOU DON'T NEED THE RESOLUTION, BUT IT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP. SEE, I ALSO THINK IT BUILDS PUBLIC AWARENESS THAT THAT THAT REALLY COMMUNICATES TO THE CITY THE THINGS THAT ARE 
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IMPORTANT TO US AS A CITY. THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, WRAPPED AROUND THIS BETWEEN PUBLIC AWARENESS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN TO OTHER CITIES AROUND US REGIONALLY. 
          AND I THINK IT PROVIDES CLARITY AND DIRECTION, ESPECIALLY FOR THE SUSTAINABLE. I'LL GIVE IT I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WASN'T DONE BY THE COUNCIL. ALL THAT GRASS OUT THERE THAT USED TO BE IN THE PARKING LOT AREA. IT'S ALL ROCKS NOW. AND THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL, AND THAT WAS DONE BY THE MAYOR'S SIDE OF THE OF THE CITY. SO IN THAT CASE, I MEAN, THEY DID THAT WITHOUT US ASKING THEM OR SAYING, WILL YOU DO THIS? AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ON HERE THAT I SEE THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING AS WELL. I MEAN, NUMBER SEVEN, THE TREE PLANTING WE'RE ALREADY DOING, I THINK WE ARE BEING ENERGY EFFICIENT ALREADY. 
          SO AND I'VE TOLD YOU THAT BEFORE, LIKE RESOLUTIONS TO ME DON'T HOLD MUCH TEETH. IT'S IT'S NICE TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND SAY THAT. BUT I'VE SEEN RESOLUTIONS WHERE OTHER CITIES AS WELL. AND THIS ISN'T JUST WEST JORDAN, IT'S OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE STATE THAT THEY'RE NICE. AND IT SAYS THAT YOU WANT TO DO THIS, BUT DOES IT REALLY DO ANYTHING? IT'S ALMOST LIKE WHEN WE CAME UP WITH OUR OUR CITY MISSION. YEAH, IT'S IT DOESN'T IT'S A LOT MORE TIME ON THAT. BUT BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK TOWARD AND SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE SAID WE WANT TO DO. THIS COULD BE THE SAME THING. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IN THE END, IF, YOU KNOW, IF A DEPARTMENT SAYS, WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS, I DON'T CARE THAT YOU WERE ENCOURAGING US TO DO THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL END UP DOING. THEY WON'T GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, THE COUNCIL WAS REALLY HOPING THAT WE'D MAYBE DO THIS, BUT WE'VE BEEN A BETTER PLACE TO FOR US, FOR OUR POWER. IF WE WANT SOME OF THESE SPECIFIC THINGS DONE, LIKE LAWN MOWERS AND EVS, CHARGING IS WE JUST ADD THAT TO THE BUDGET, THEN THAT OCCURS. YEAH, BUT THIS GIVES THE GUIDELINES TO THAT. AS DEPARTMENTS ARE PREPARING THEIR BUDGET. I'LL SAY I'M NOT IN FAVOR. I BROUGHT THIS UP A YEAR AGO OR SOME OF THESE THINGS UP A YEAR AGO. AND AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS, OH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN THE BUDGET COMES UP. AND WE DIDN'T. WELL, THIS IS WHY IT'S EASIER TO FUND THESE THINGS WHEN THE STAFF, AS THEY BUILD THE BUDGET, THEY KNOW THAT SUSTAINABILITY IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL DIRECTS. AND SO THIS IS EASIER TO BUILD THE BUDGET KNOWING THAT THIS IS IN PLACE FROM THE COUNCIL, THAT THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS I'LL JUST THE I'LL TELL YOU MY TWO PROBLEMS. IT'S IN 4 OR 5, SIX AND SEVEN. I DON'T LIKE THE WORD PROBLEMS. I DON'T LIKE THE WORD WILL. IF, IF THE IF THE IF IT SAYS THE CITY SUPPORTS AND ENCOURAGES THE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S PROBABLY THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IF WE SAY IT'S A RESOLUTION, IF WE SAY WILL, THEN THERE'S THE IMPLICATION THAT WE WILL DO SOME THINGS. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP. IF WE SAY WILL, IT DOESN'T HAVE A TIMELINE, RIGHT. YEAH. I JUST I THINK IF YOU DROP THE WORD WILL, WE WILL. YOU KNOW, THE CITY PROMOTES TREE PLANTING INITIATIVES. THE CITY ENCOURAGES ENERGY EFFICIENT BUILDING STANDARDS. GREAT. AND IF WE WANT TO PUT WHERE POSSIBLE IN THERE, MAYBE EVEN BETTER. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE TO TELL DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, AS YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR BUDGET, YOU GOT TO USE THESE THINGS, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT INCREASES THE BUDGET BY FIVE, TEN, 15% BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT HEAD SAYS, WELL, YOU WANTED ALL THIS SUSTAINABILITY STUFF AND IT'S GOING TO COST US. IT'S GOING TO COST US, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL PICK ON UDOT SINCE THEY'RE GONE NOW, ANYBODY IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS THE SAND CREEK PROJECT, THE DECADE. YEP. YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS AGO THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A HIGHLY SUSTAINABLE PROJECT AND THEY ENDED UP SPENDING MONEY ON IT. AND THEN IT FELL APART AND IT DIDN'T WORK. AND A LOT OF WINDSHIELDS DID RUIN A LOT OF WINDSHIELDS. SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO? AND SO THE WORDING HAS GOT TO BE SUCH THAT IT IT'S, IT'S IF IT'S GOING TO A DEPARTMENT HEAD TO DO A BUDGET THAT'S GOING TO START HERE IN THREE WEEKS OR LESS. IT'S, IT'S THE FACT THAT WHAT, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO PUT IN THE BUDGET IN THEIR MINDSET IS, WELL, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS SUSTAINABLE. AND THAT MEANS, WELL, IF I'M GOING TO DO THIS, IT'S GOT TO BE SUSTAINABLE, I'M GOING TO DO THAT. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU SEE A BUDGET THAT INCREASES AND I CAN'T SUPPORT IT IF IT INCREASES BUDGETS. 
          YEAH. YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, RESOLUTIONS CAN TURN GOOD INTENTIONS INTO POLICY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSS IN IN 
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IN DEPTH. BUT A RESOLUTION GIVES STAFF CLEAR DIRECTION AND IT STRENGTHENS OUR GRANT APPLICATIONS. IT PROVIDES CONTINUING CONTINUITY ACROSS ELECTIONS. IT POSITIONS US BETTER IN REGIONAL WORK ON AIR QUALITY AND WATER. SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT STARTING SOMETHING NEW, IT'S ABOUT LOCKING IN WHAT WE ALREADY VALUE SO THAT IT LASTS. AND I THINK THAT'S THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF THIS. ARE THERE ARE THERE OTHERS THAT THAT WANT TO GO ON WITH THE RESOLUTION? I KNOW I HAVE TWO, IT'S JUST IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I'D BE WILLING TO IF WE MADE THOSE CHANGES THAT KEVIN SUGGESTED, I'D BE WILLING TO I'D BE WILLING ON THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT THIS IS A RESOLUTION WHICH IS LIKE OUR MISSION STATEMENT. YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. I HAVE BIG ISSUES WITH NUMBER ONE. NOT THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR ENVIRONMENT AND TRY TO DO THOSE THINGS, BUT SAYING THIS CITY WILL REDUCE. I HAVE BIG ISSUES WITH NUMBER ONE. LET'S TAKE WILL OUT AND PUT THE CITY STRIVES. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? ONE'S FUTURE TENSE. ONE'S PRESENT TENSE. IT'S THE SAME THING. WILHELM. WELL, HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD COME TO THIS, THIS COUNCIL ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. AND WE SAID ONCE WE SAID, YES, CHAD, YOU WERE ON THERE. WE SAID YES BECAUSE WE WANTED TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST OUR COMMUNITY. WE GOT THAT INFORMATION BACK, AND IT WAS GOING TO COST OUR COMMUNITY OVER $70,000 TO JOIN A CONSORTIUM OF CITIES THAT ARE STRIVING TO GO TO WHAT WAS NET ZERO. BUT WHAT I'M BEING TOLD IS THAT LEGISLATURE CHANGED THAT BILL TO ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2030, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE. AND THEN THERE IS GOING TO BE A FEE ADDED ON TO EVERY ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER UTILITY BILL. 
          AND AT THE TIME, IT WAS 3 TO $7. AND I BELIEVE NUMBER ONE SETS US UP TO SAY WE SHOULD DO THAT. 
          AND I CAN'T AGREE. I'M SAYING TAKING WILL OUT DOESN'T CHANGE IT TOO MUCH. IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING. SO THAT'S WHERE MY I DON'T WANT TO PROMOTE RENEWABLE ENERGY RESOURCES. I WANT TO PROMOTE THEM. I DON'T WANT TO CHARGE MY RESIDENTS FOR THAT. ANYTHING ABOUT CHARGING RESIDENTS FOR ANYTHING, I KNOW, BUT I'M AFRAID THAT THIS IS A FOOT IN THE DOOR FOR THAT TO COME BACK. AND OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE TO PAY MORE. AND I'M WITH KELVIN. I WHILE I WANT THESE THINGS AND I ENCOURAGE THESE THINGS OF MY OWN FRIENDS AND FAMILY. I DON'T WANT TO INCREASE WHAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE TO PAY TO GET THERE BECAUSE I HAVE OTHER CONCERNS. 
          I HAVE CONCERNS THAT WE ADD ALL THESE ELECTRIC CARS. WELL, WE'RE AND WINDMILLS AND ALL OF THESE THINGS. WE'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE WHEN GASOLINE CARS WERE CREATED. 
          WE'RE CREATING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF POLLUTION THAT WE HAVEN'T DECIDED HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH YET. IF EVERYBODY HAS AN ELECTRIC CAR, NUMBER ONE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ELECTRICITY GENERATED FOR THAT. NUMBER TWO, WHERE ARE ALL THOSE BATTERIES GOING TO GO? WHERE ARE THOSE BIG WINDMILL THINGS GOING WHEN? SO WHILE I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA ENVIRONMENTALLY, DO I WANT CLEANER AIR? YES. DO I HAVE CLEANER AIR TODAY THAN I'VE HAD MANY YEARS IN MY LIFE? YES, BOTH ARE TRUE. SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO GO THAT WAY? YES. BUT I'M CONCERNED WITH NUMBER ONE BECAUSE IT'S COME TO THIS COUNCIL FOUR TIMES AND I KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WERE SUPPORTED BY THE GROUP. I KNOW THAT I WORK FOR. OH, YOU MEAN. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. 
          SO I'M CONCERNED AND I IT'S A CONCERN I HAVE. SO. I WILL SAY I MEAN I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. I DON'T THINK THIS RESOLUTION IS GOING TO BULLETPROOF THAT CONCERN BECAUSE, NO, THIS RESOLUTION DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. IT DOESN'T LOCK YOU INTO ANY FUTURE VOTE ON ANY SPECIFIC RESOLUTION. AND I HOPE THAT MONEY CONTRIBUTED TO CAMPAIGNS ALSO DOESN'T LOCK ANYONE INTO FUTURE VOTES. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I HAVE I DON'T THINK THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. WELL, I FEEL THEY'RE TIED TO IT. WE CAN WE CAN TALK ABOUT PUBLIC FUNDING FOR FOR ELECTIONS ANOTHER TIME. YEAH, WE CAN. AND IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. BUT SO I'M JUST NOT I'M NOT THERE. MAYBE IF IT'S CHANGED MAYBE I CAN GET THERE. BUT AS IT IS, I'M NOT THERE FOR THAT ARE I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME WORDING CHANGES. OF COURSE I WON'T BE ON THE COUNCIL BY THE TIME THIS COMES BACK TO VOTE, BUT I THINK YOU GOT TO CHANGE SOME, SOME WORDING. WHY DON'T YOU WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? WHY DON'T YOU EMAIL ME? BECAUSE I WON'T BE HERE EITHER. WHEN THIS COMES BACK AROUND, EMAIL ME YOUR SUGGESTED CHANGES, WHAT YOU'D 
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LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT ON IT AND I'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN INCORPORATE INTO IT, HOW IT CAN BE TWEAKED, AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'LL WORK. SEND ME THE WORD DOCUMENT. DO I HAVE THIS AS A WORD DOCUMENT? NO, THIS IS CONTROL C AND CONTROL V WORK REALLY WELL FOR YOU. CAN DOWNLOAD IT AND OPEN IT IN WORD. YEAH, IT WORKS RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING MORE ON THIS TOPIC. SO THERE'S FOUR OR MORE THAT ARE SUPPORTING SOME EDITS AND BRINGING IT BACK. THERE'S PAMELA AND ZACH. KELVIN'S WILLING. I THINK HE'S WILLING. WILLING. I'M I'M NOT WILLING TO VOTE YES ON IT RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M WILLING WILLING TO LOOK AT EDITS. SO YOU'VE GOT MAJORITY WILLING TO LOOK AT IT OKAY. YOU GOT FIVE. THAT'LL IT'S JUST A CUTESY THING THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE WE'RE A CITY TRYING. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. IF IT'S A THING SAYING WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE TO DO ALL THIS AND AND MONEY BE DAMNED, THEN NO, I WON'T A COUPLE A COUPLE OF POINTS ON THAT. IF I COULD JUST ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICK. EVERYTHING WE DO AS A CITY COSTS MONEY AND IT COSTS TAXPAYER MONEY BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WE GET MONEY. YEAH. SO WE CAN DECIDE WHAT'S WORTH SPENDING MORE ON FOR TAXPAYERS. WELL, AND WHAT I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW IS I'M NOT WORTH SPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE FORCING ME TO DO. WELL, AND WHAT I'M WHAT I'M SAYING, THOUGH, IS IT'S MORE OF A KIND OF A LARGER POINT ABOUT IT KIND OF DOVETAILS INTO RESOLUTIONS AS A WHOLE. BUT BUT EVERYTHING WE DO COSTS MONEY. AND EVERY TIME WE SIT DOWN, WE, WE HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN A OR B, AND SOMETIMES WE GO WITH THE THING THAT COSTS MORE BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER FACTORS OTHER THAN COST. AND THAT CAN BE THE ONE THAT ALWAYS COMES UP IS IT CAME UP WHEN I WAS VERY FIRST RUNNING. THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE IS MANHOLES WERE ABLE TO HAVE A SLIP LINING THAT MADE THEM LAST 20% LONGER OR WHATEVER, BUT IT COST 10% MORE AND PEOPLE AREN'T WILLING TO PAY MORE AT THE TIME BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO CAUSE, YOU KNOW, BUDGET DOMINOES TO FALL. RIGHT? BUT IT WAS A BETTER PRODUCT THAT YOU'D END UP WITH. THAT WOULD BE BETTER LONG TERM FOR THE CITY. AND NONMONETARY WAYS, MAYBE, BUT IN WAYS. SO WHAT I'M THINKING, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YES, AN ELECTRIC LEAF BLOWER MIGHT COST MORE THAN A GAS POWERED LEAF BLOWER, BUT AT WHAT POINT IS IT WORTH IT? AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALL HAVE TO KIND OF WRESTLE WITH. IF THAT'S SOMETHING, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WRESTLE WITH. BUT IF WE START TO PUT SOMETHING UP THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO ALWAYS GO WITH THE ELECTRIC ONE, THEN THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING RID OF. THE WILL CHANGE IS WHAT IT SAYS. AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE IS THIS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL OR THE WISH OF THE COUNCIL? AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO WORK ON, THAT IT MIGHT BE THE OR THE WISH AND NOT THE WILL. RESOLUTIONS, WISHES, WISHES WERE FISHES. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I DON'T WANT IT TO SOUND LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT PUTTING TEETH IN IT. I DON'T WANT TEETH RIGHT NOW. I LIKE RESOLUTIONS THAT EXPRESS THAT EXPRESS DIRECTION WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE CITY. AND. AND THIS AFFECTS OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR. WE ALL HAVE TO BREATHE EVERY QUOTE OF THE BREATHE. SO LET'S WORK ON MAKING THAT EASIER. ESPECIALLY THIS TIME. IT'S ABOUT TO GET REALLY HARD OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, MAYBE ABOUT HALF LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVEN'T BEEN TOO BAD. IF YOU DON'T GET ANY SNOW. THAT'S TRUE. IT'S HARDER TO GET THE INVERSION WHEN THERE'S NO WHEN IT'S 40 DEGREES IN THE VALLEY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, PAMELA, FROM YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID MY PIECE, OKAY. AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT. SORRY. ONCE THE EDITS ARE DONE BACK TO HERE. YEAH, HERE. IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO A WORK SESSION. THANK 
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 Discussion of a Proposed Environmental Resolution to Support Regional Collaboration on Air Quality]
YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS DISCUSSION OF A PROPOSED ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT REGIONAL COLLABORATION ON AIR QUALITY. COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB AND BLUE. OH, TAKE THIS ONE TO START WITH AS WELL. THIS ONE'S LESS POLISHED THAN THE LAST ONE, WHICH APPARENTLY WASN'T VERY POLISHED, BUT THIS IS SPECIFIC. RESIDENTS. FORMER RESIDENT CITY BROUGHT UP FREQUENTLY THAT THE AIRPORT PRODUCES A LOT OF POLLUTION IN OUR CITY. ALLEGEDLY, YES. SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND JUST BECAUSE. TACTICS MAY NOT BE THE MOST FRIENDLY DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE ALWAYS WRONG. SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND IT TURNS OUT THAT ACTUALLY PRIVATE AVIATION AIRCRAFT IS THE NUMBER ONE SOURCE OF POLLUTION THERE. NOW 
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THAT WE'VE ALL GONE TO UNLEADED CARS AND FACTORIES HAVE CAPS ON THEIR FILTERS AND ON THEIR SMOKESTACKS AND ALL THAT STUFF. ANYWAY, SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND, AND THOUGHT, OKAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOME GOALS AROUND, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO AND THERE'S NOT ANYTHING WE CAN DO. SO YOU WANT YOU WANT A TOOTHLESS RESOLUTION? HERE YOU GO. I DON'T OWN THE AIRPORT. 
          IT'S NOT OUR AIRPORT. BURBANK DOES. AND OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE SMALLER AIRPORTS WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITY. SO THIS IS DEFINITELY ALONG THE LINES OF SEVERAL OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO TRY TO DO THIS, TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND STATE IN ORDER TO HELP MOVE ALONG THE AIR AND NOISE. YEAH, AND I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT NOISE IN THIS. I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT LEAD POLLUTION. IT'S THE ONLY THING I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT OUR AIRPORT. 
          WE'RE NOT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. WE DON'T WE'RE NOT THE EPA. SO THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO. OR THE FAA OR THE FBO AT THE AIRPORT OR THE ABC OR THE CIA FOR THAT MATTER. BUT ANYWAY. 
          BUT IT'S NOT WRONG TO SAY THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN OUR CITY THAT AFFECTS OUR RESIDENTS. SO MAYBE WE SHOULD EXPRESS THE WILL OF OUR CITY TO THE BODIES THAT CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. AND ALL THIS IS GENTLE PRESSURE. FOR THE YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EVEN PRESSURE. I WOULD EVEN SAY THAT. IT'S JUST SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE CARE ABOUT. AND TRANSPARENCY IS THE HEART OF THIS. AND THE LANGUAGE I FEEL IS COLLABORATIVE, NOT CONFRONTATIONAL. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN IMPROVE THIS DRAFT, ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD WANT TO MAKE IT THE BEST POSSIBLE DRAFT WE CAN. BUT EVEN THOUGH WEST JORDAN DOESN'T OPERATE THE AIRPORT, OUR RESIDENTS, AS ZACH SAID, WE LIVE WITH THE IMPACTS. AND THIS RESOLUTION KIND OF GIVES US A FORMAL SEAT AT THE TABLE BY URGING THE TRANSPARENCY, THE REPORTING, THE CLEANER FUEL ADOPTION. IT STRENGTHENS OUR ABILITY TO ADVOCATE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE AIRPORTS LOCATED HERE IN OUR CITY, NEXT TO OUR RESIDENTS, RECEIVE THE SAME ENVIRONMENTAL ATTENTION AS THOSE IN SALT LAKE CITY. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, IT DOESN'T BIND US TO ANYTHING AND IT DOESN'T BIND ANYBODY TO ANYTHING, BUT I THINK IT POSITIONS US TO PROTECT OUR PUBLIC HEALTH, OUR OUR PUBLIC HEALTH IMAGE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND ENGAGE CONSTRUCTIVELY AS OUR FUTURE FUNDING AND AND THE REGULATORY OPPORTUNITIES POTENTIALLY EMERGE AROUND IT. THERE'S TWO THINGS ON HERE THAT I DO NEED TO CHANGE. I WANT TO TAKE OFF NUMBER TWO AND KIND OF DELETE IT ALL TOGETHER, BECAUSE WE CAN ENCOURAGE THE DEPARTMENT OF AIRPORTS TO JOIN THE AIRPORT CARBON ACCREDITATION PROGRAM THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE. THEY DID THAT IN OCTOBER. SO IN FAIRNESS, I DRAFTED THIS BEFORE OCTOBER. OH, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY DID THAT IN OCTOBER. SO JUST BY WRITING IT, LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO. I'M JUST KIDDING. I TOTALLY TAKE CREDIT FOR THE FAA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. YES. YEAH THEY ARE. AND THE EPA HAS ALREADY DID A REPORT IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS DIRECTING THE FAA AND AIRPORTS TO TO SWITCH TO UNLEADED GAS AND ALL THIS STUFF BY A CERTAIN DEADLINE OR WHEN IT'S FEASIBLE. RIGHT. THAT. 
          RIGHT. YEAR 2030 OR WHEN A REPLACEMENT FOR LEADED GAS IS IS FEASIBLE, WHICH JUST LEAVES IT WIDE OPEN. RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. IT'S IT'S THE TEETH. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING WITH WHAT I'M HOPING WE CAN SAY WITH THIS RESOLUTION IS, HEY, SALT LAKE DEPARTMENT OF AIRPORTS, WE CARE ABOUT THE AIR QUALITY THAT IS AFFECTED BY THE AIRPORT THAT'S IN OUR CITY. THAT'S ALL IT SAYS. 
          AND I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT WE OFFICIALLY TAKE THAT STAND AND SAY THEY DON'T THINK THAT. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER SAID ANYTHING. YOU DID RESEARCH, DID YOU? WHAT KIND OF GAS DO YOU THINK THEY SELL? WHAT'S IT CALLED? IT'S I DON'T KNOW ABOUT JET FUEL, BUT THEY HAVE LEADED THE SMALL, THE SMALL PROP DRIVEN PLANES THAT DON'T HAVE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. THEY DON'T HAVE MUFFLERS. THEY JUST HAVE. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT LEADED FUEL BURNING ENGINE LIKE A 1970 VOLKSWAGEN BEETLE, A LOT OF THOSE PLANES OUT THERE ARE 50 PLUS YEARS OLD. YEAH. AND SO THEY'VE GOT TO BURN ON FUEL. I JUST KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS USE UNLEADED STUFF. THE NEWER PLANES AND ESPECIALLY NEWER JET PLANES USE UNLEADED FUEL A LITTLE LESS HELICOPTERS, BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT. I'M NOT TELLING THE NATIONAL GUARD THEY DON'T THEY DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN THERE ANYWAY. YEAH. THEY JUST LAUGH. THEY LOOK AT US. THAT'S CUTE. 
          NATIONAL GUARD USES SALT LAKE CITY'S GOING TO DO IT. YEAH I KNOW, YEAH. WELL THANKS GEORGE. 
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COOL. THE THE. YEAH. BUT WILL THEY TAKE IT AS. SO COULD THERE BE A NEGATIVE. WHAT WOULD WHAT. 
          WE'LL ASK THE GUY THAT'S ON THE DAMN BOARD IF, IF WE WERE TO DO A RESOLUTION LIKE THIS, WHAT'S THE FALLOUT THAT SALT LAKE CITY OR AIRPORT AUTHORITY. I FEEL LIKE IT'S I FEEL LIKE THIS RESOLUTION IS SAYING YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT. YOU WANT TO DO IT OUR WAY. 
          SO THAT'S. MAYBE POINT TO ONE OTHER POTENTIAL POINT OF FALLOUT WITH THIS. I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE AT THE AIRPORT EARLIER THIS WEEK YESTERDAY. I GUESS WE'RE ONLY TWO DAYS INTO THE WEEK. YESTERDAY I SPOKE WITH HIM ABOUT SOME OF THE THOUGHTS HERE AND. ON THE POINT REGARDING LEADED FUEL. THERE ARE SOME FEDERAL THERE'S A FEDERAL STATUTE THAT REQUIRES THAT WHEN AIRPORTS ARE RECEIVING FEDERAL GRANTS, THEY HAVE TO MAKE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF COMMITMENTS. ONE OF THOSE COMMITMENTS IS THAT THEY WILL NOT RESTRICT OR PROHIBIT THE USE OF LEADED FUEL AT THE AIRPORT. AND THIS IS, AS I UNDERSTAND, IN CONNECTION WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON POINTED OUT, THAT SOME PLANES JUST NEED THAT IN ORDER TO OPERATE. AND SO WHAT THAT DID IS IT PUT A COMMITMENT ON ANY AIRPORT RECEIVING FEDERAL FUNDING TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THAT. THERE'S SOME CONCERN ON THE AIRPORT'S PART, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS RESOLUTION MAY PUT THEM IN A DIFFICULT POSITION WHERE THEY WOULD EITHER HAVE TO JUST REJECT THIS COMMITMENT IN THE RESOLUTION OR RISK THEIR ELIGIBILITY FOR FEDERAL FUNDING OR SUBJECT THEM TO PENALTIES UNDER FUNDING THAT THEY'VE ALREADY RECEIVED. SO JUST FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEADED FUEL, I THINK WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL ABOUT THE POSITION THAT WE PUT THE AIRPORT IN, BECAUSE THEIR HANDS ARE LARGELY TIED IN WHAT THEY CAN OR CANNOT DO. SO I DO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I'LL COME BACK TO RESOLUTION WITH NO TEETH. IF THEY SEE THIS RESOLUTION. I DON'T SEE HOW TO FIX ANY OF THAT, BECAUSE THIS RESOLUTION DOES CAN MAKE THEM DO ANYTHING. SURE. YEAH. BUT I THINK IT DOES PUT. WELL, SURE. WHAT IT'S ASKING IS IT'S ASKING THE DEPARTMENT OF AIRPORTS TO REPORT WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOMETHING CITY'S GENERALLY PRETTY GOOD ABOUT DOING ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY THINGS. RIGHT. SALT LAKE CITY AND THEY OWN A BIGGER AIRPORT IN THE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE. YEAH, THEY HAVE AN AIRPORT. THEY HAVE AN EVEN BIGGER PROBLEM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SMALLER AIRCRAFT THAT ARE. YEAH, THERE'S QUITE A FEW SMALL. THERE ARE QUITE A FEW SMALL CRAFTS UP THERE. THERE ARE BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO PARK AND YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF CESSNAS DOING THE FLIGHT SCHOOL. NO, YOU DON'T KNOW. BUT MY SON'S PLANES, MY SON'S PLANES ON THE THREE FOUR ALPHA FOLLOW DELTA 747, RUNWAY ONE TWO. I HAVE TO TELL YOU A STORY ABOUT THAT IS HIS LANDING GEAR DIDN'T WORK. AND SALT LAKE INTERNATIONAL. SO THIS IS JUST ASKING THEM TO REPORT BACK TO US, LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING ENVIRONMENTALLY AND THEY'RE ALREADY DOING STUFF, INCLUDING ARE YOU PROMOTING UNLEADED FUEL? THAT'S THE ONLY MENTION ABOUT ONE KIND OF FUEL OR ANOTHER KIND OF FUEL IN THE WHOLE THING. 
          IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DISCONTINUING LEADED FUEL. WHATEVER. ALL IT SAYS IS PROMOTING UNLEADED FUEL AND YOUR FUTURE TRANSITION PLANS, BECAUSE THE EPA SAID YOU GOT TO HAVE A FUTURE TRANSITION PLAN. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A ROUGH DRAFT. THIS IS JUST ME COMING UP WITH GOALS. I THINK THE AIRPORT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE AT THE AIRPORT, COULD WE ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WANT BY JUST HAVING THE MAYOR HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS IN THE BOARD MEETINGS THAT HE ALREADY ATTENDS? SURE WE CAN. WE CAN NOT SAY ANYTHING AND JUST LET THE MAYOR GO AND SPEAK FOR THE CITY. OR WE CAN TAKE A STAND TO. BUT DOES TAKING A STAND ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WANT? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS? ALL I WANT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS IS JUST EXPRESSING THE WILL OF CITY COUNCIL AND. I THINK, LIKE SHE SAID, I THINK YOU COULD JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM. I DON'T NEED TO PUBLICLY SHAME THEM. IF YOU SEE ANYTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS PUBLIC SHAMING, PLEASE POINT IT OUT KIND OF WHAT IT IS BECAUSE IT'S SAYING, DO THIS BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE THE I MEAN, FOR MY SIDE OF THINGS, SALT LAKE CITY IS VERY LIBERAL AND VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS, 
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RIGHT? THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A HUGE AIRPORT. MY GUESS IS THAT THE RULES THAT THEY'RE BIGGER AIRPORT ARE THE SAME RULES FOR THEIR SMALLER, TINY AIRPORT HERE. MAYBE. MAY NOT BE PROBABLY. I HAVE NO IDEA BECAUSE OUR AIRPORT IS NOT THE ONLY ONE. IT'S NOT THE ONLY SMALL AIRPORT, SALT LAKE CITY AIRPORT ALSO OWNED TWO. YEAH, YEAH, BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO WRITE A RESOLUTION, WHEREAS IT DOES KIND OF SHAME THEM. I'M NOT I'M NOT FOR LEADED FUEL AT ALL, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE HAVE A PULSE A LITTLE BIT ON ON THE PILOT SITUATION. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF PILOTS. I DON'T WANT TO PUT UNDUE PRESSURE ON THE AIRPORT TO PHASE OUT LEADED FUEL PLANES. BECAUSE THOSE ARE USED FOR TEACHING OUR NEW PILOTS WHO ARE COMING INTO THE SYSTEM. THEY ARE EXTREMELY VALUABLE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT COULD BECOME OUTMODED AND OUTDATED IF THERE WAS NO ALTERNATIVE FUEL AVAILABLE TO THEM, AND IT COULD CREATE A HUGE FINANCIAL BURDEN AND HARDSHIP ON A PERSON WHO IS OPERATING A SMALL FLIGHT SCHOOL. THERE'S JUST SOMEBODY WHO OWNS A PLANE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF OWNING IT. I DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT LEAD POISONING IS A PROBLEM IN OUR CITY. SO I'M I'M AGAINST THIS. AND I ALSO WANT TO MAINTAIN GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HER, WITH HER WORK THIS MORNING. SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT SOLVES. SO I PERSONALLY. AGAINST THIS ONE REMEMBER THIS 80S EPA DID THIS TO CARS, AND SOMEHOW ALL THE TAXICAB DRIVERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S LIFE RELIED ON LEADED CARS ARE MUCH MORE DISPOSABLE. SO EVERYBODY WHO JUST RELIED ON LEADED GASOLINE VEHICLE FOR THEIR LIVELIHOOD SOMEHOW MADE IT WORK. BUT THEY'RE ALREADY BEING ASKED TO MOVE AWAY FROM LEADED FUEL RIGHT BY THE EPA. SO THERE'S ENOUGH REPLACEMENT THAT WORKS, WHICH WAS, AGAIN, I THINK, YOUR CAR THING. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE FOR WE HAVE PAMELA, I KENSON OH, KELVINS. NO, NO, I'M A NO, I'M, I'M MUCH MORE NO THAN YES. SO SO CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION RELATED TO THESE LAST TWO ITEMS JUST FOR MY FUTURE? I LIKE RESOLUTIONS BECAUSE I LIKE EXPRESSING THE WILL OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY TO OTHER BODIES WHEN IT'S APPLICABLE. 
          NOW, I DON'T I DON'T LIKE TAKING RESOLUTIONS LIKE RIVERTON DID. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT SOMEBODY WAS REFERRING TO. I DON'T REMEMBER WHO SAID IT. RIVERTON DID. ON ABORTION. IT'S NOT A CITY ISSUE. IT'S NOT A STATE ISSUE. YEAH, ACTUALLY IN OUR RULE SAYS THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I DON'T I DON'T LIKE I DON'T WANT SYMBOLIC RESOLUTIONS. BUT IF IT AFFECTS THE PEOPLE IN OUR CITY SPECIFICALLY, IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC THING THAT WE CAN DO EITHER AS A CITY OR AS A CITY ORGANIZATION, OR AS SOMETHING THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY ARE AFFECTED BY SOMETHING, AND WE CAN SAY, HEY, IT'S THE PEOPLE OF OUR CITY ARE AFFECTED BY THIS. THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF THIS, PLEASE KNOW THAT WE'RE AFFECTED AND WE WANT TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS OR WE WANT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION OR THAT DIRECTION. I LIKE THAT AS A RESOLUTION. I LIKE THAT AS A GOAL. I LIKE I LIKE SAYING THAT WE'RE WE CARE. WE AS A COUNCIL, WE CARE ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF AIRPORT LEAD POLLUTION ON OUR CITY. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. 
          NOW, THE SPECIFIC GOALS AND THE SPECIFIC WHEREASES OR WHATEVER, THAT CAN ALL CHANGE. BUT WHAT I'M FINDING, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AS A AS A CITY COUNCIL, WE REPRESENT 170,000 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER IT IS NOW. AND WERE THEIR VOICE. WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THE GOVERNMENT INTERACTS WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTS, RIGHT. SEVEN OF US AND THE ONE OF HIM AND AND IF WE ABDICATE OUR ROLE IN THAT TO JUST LETTING THE MAYOR GO, HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN THE CITY, CITIZENS HAVE ONE VOICE INSTEAD OF EIGHT VOICES. AND I THINK IT I JUST THINK IT MATTERS. AND I 
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WOULD LOVE THESE RESOLUTIONS OR RESOLUTIONS OF THIS TYPE ON OTHER TOPICS TO BE JOINT RESOLUTIONS WITH THE MAYOR. WE DID THE ONE ON EQUALITY AND RACISM FIVE YEARS AGO, AND SUPER WELL RECEIVED BY EVERYBODY. WHO CARES. I CAN'T TELL YOU THE PUSHBACK THAT I GOT SAYING PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MAD AT THIS. NOBODY IS MAD AT THIS. I DON'T KNOW, PEOPLE WERE MAD AT THIS, DIDN'T TELL ME THEY WERE MAD AT THIS. ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT OUR CITY FACES AND WEST VALLEY FACES AND RIVERTON FACES, AND THOSE NOT JUST RIVERTON, BUT THE AROUND THIS AIRPORT, AROUND THIS WEST VALLEY, IS AIR QUALITY, AIR QUALITY, AIR QUALITY, AIR QUALITY. IF AN ENTITY IS GOING TO BE UPSET BECAUSE WE'RE VOICING HOW MUCH THAT MEANS TO US THAT WE WANT TO SAY, HEY, REMEMBER US, HAVE A DIALOG WITH US, WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU, WE WANT TO COLLABORATE WITH YOU. AND IF THEY'RE UPSET ABOUT THAT, THAT'S ON THEM BECAUSE WE'RE HERE SAYING, LOOK, WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU. WE WANT TRANSPARENCY. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE WHAT IS AFFECTING OUR RESIDENTS NOW, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO KEEP GETTING WORSE AS IT BECOMES MORE AND, YOU KNOW, BECOMES BUSIER AND BUSIER. SO WE WANT TO STAY AHEAD OF IT AND ADVOCATE FOR THAT CONVERSATION. AND THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT THIS IS. THIS ISN'T PUTTING ANYBODY IN THE CORNER. THIS ISN'T GETTING UPSET WITH ANYBODY. 
          THIS IS JUST SAYING, HEY, WE CARE ABOUT OUR CITY AND WE WANT TO PROTECT IT. WE WANT TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH. AND THIS IS ALL THAT THIS IS DOING. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GETTING MAD AT ANYBODY. IT'S NOT UPSETTING ANYBODY. IT'S JUST SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO COLLABORATE. WE WANT THE TRANSPARENCY, AND WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. WE'VE TALKED LOTS OF TIMES AS A COUNCIL ABOUT HAVING SEATS AT THE TABLE, AND THERE'S REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS BEING MADE WHEN REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS ARE BEING HAD AND DECISIONS BEING MADE. AND THESE INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES AND OTHER THINGS THAT EXIST, WE WANT SEATS OF THOSE TABLES. AND THE MORE WE SPEAK, THE MORE LIKELY IT IS THAT WE GET A SEAT AT THE TABLE. NOW WE CAN TABLE ON THIS. WELL, I'M TALKING MORE IN GENERAL, BUT YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF HAVING THAT SEAT AT THE TABLE IS DOING STUFF LIKE THIS. YEAH. IS IT OR IS IT OR IS IT BETTER. AND MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE THE ISSUE IS AND IS THAT AND IN ALL REALITY WE'VE NEVER HAD A, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY FROM AIRPORT AUTHORITY COME OUT AND TALK ABOUT UNLEADED FUEL AND EVEN GIVE US A PRESENTATION. SO MAYBE A BETTER STARTING PLACE FOR THE CITY IS FOR THE MAYOR TO WORK WITH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND SEND SOMEBODY OUT HERE TO A MEETING OR HAVE A MEETING WITH US OUT THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT AIR QUALITY WITH THE LEAD. 
          AND, AND THEY CAN HELP INFORM US ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. AND PROBABLY THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD FIRST STEP SO THAT WE EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SURE. YEAH. IT'S ALMOST LIKE HAVING THE TOWN HALL BEFORE WE START PUTTING STUFF INTO. AND I WOULD I WOULD THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I'M ALL I WANT TO DO IS ACT LIKE THE THIRD LARGEST CITY AND NOT ACT LIKE. I DON'T KNOW BEAVER. WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU IN THAT MY MY ONLY CONCERN JUST TO STATE, AND I COULD BE WRONG WITH WHAT I'M SAYING, I TRIED TO BE AS LITTLE OFFENSIVE AS I COULD ON THAT ONE. YEAH, I LOVE THE THE IDEA OF OF SAYING OUR VOICE AND ACTING LIKE THE THIRD LARGEST CITY. MY WORRY WOULD BE, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE. I HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO ME AND TALK ABOUT THIS. WE'VE ONLY HAD THE LOUD VOICE AND A COUPLE LOUD VOICES. SO, YOU KNOW, ARE WE THE VOICE OF THE LOUD? ARE WE THE VOICE OF THE CITY? AND ARE WE GIVING THE CITY THE FULL THING OF. WELL, YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. AND I THINK WE'VE TOLD THE CITY THERE'S NOTHING WE DO. THE AIRPORT OWNS THAT. THE AIRPORT HAS THE STUFF WITH LEADED GAS. THE AIRPORT HAS THIS. AND WOULD IT BE INTERESTING FOR THE CITY TO KNOW THAT THIS KIND OF THING MIGHT SEVER SOME RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GIVING EVERYBODY THE FULL THING BEFORE WE COME OUT AS THE COUNCIL WITH OUR WORD? THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE'RE GOING TO ACT LIKE THE THIRD LARGEST CITY, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING ON ALL SIDES BEFORE WE SPEAK. VALID POINTS, BECAUSE I'M I'M ALL FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS THAT SAY, WE'RE THE CITY THAT'S GOING TO DO THIS, ARE THE CITY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS, BUT IT'S IT'S PUTTING IT IN THE WAY THAT THAT IS THE RIGHT WAY. AND I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT WHEN WE'RE DOING IT. RIGHT. AND THIS COULD WORK OUT SOMETHING. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE FROM THE AIRPORT COME OUT AND MAYBE TALK TO US 
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ABOUT THE LEADED FUEL A LITTLE BIT. SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, MAYBE THEY'RE DOING ALL THIS LIKE WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE. LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE EARLIER ONE. THERE WAS A COUPLE THINGS ON THERE THE CITY'S ALREADY DOING AND, AND SO MAYBE AND AND LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M MORE FOR THE CITY WHEN THIS ONE RIGHT NOW. BUT. THAT'S JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COME AT KNOWING EVERYTHING FROM ALL SIDES BEFORE WE GO. THIS IS OUR OPINION. AND THEN THEY GO, WELL, WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THAT. OKAY THEN. GOOD. WELL THEN WHAT WHAT DID WE DO OTHER THAN MAKE THEM GO, WELL, WHY DON'T THEY TRUST US? THAT'S ALL. I'M JUST BEING CAREFUL. THAT'S VALID POINTS. VALID POINTS AND WELL. AND WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE, THERE'S VALID POINTS IN HERE AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET ALL VALID POINTS PUT IN. I THINK BRINGING THESE THINGS FORWARD IN THIS FORMAT HELPS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND HELPS TO SAY, HEY MAYOR, BRING AN AIRPORT GUY OVER. MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST TELL ALAN, ALAN, CALL AND HAVE SOMEBODY COME TO COUNCIL MEETING. I LIKE THAT, BUT IF WE DON'T BRING THESE THINGS FORWARD AND SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO YEAH, MAYBE IF MAYBE IF ME DRAFTING ALL THESE RANDOM RESOLUTIONS AND JUST BRINGING THE COUNCIL MEETING ENCOURAGES STUFF LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN, DISCUSSION IS THE BEST THING. 
          GREAT. AND WE'VE HAD GOOD DIALOG. SO I MIGHT ADD, WHEN I GET THE NEW FBO OVER THERE, WHICH HAPPENS REALLY SOON, DIVIDED THE BOARD TO HAVE THEIR MEETING DOWN HERE AT THIS AIRPORT TO INVITE YOU TO COME TO THAT TOO, SO THEY CAN SEE THE AIRPORT AND THEY TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME. IT WAS COOL WHEN WE GOT THE TOUR, WHEN THEY OPENED THE NEW TERMINAL IN SALT LAKE, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GO OUT THERE, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD DO THE SAME THING HERE. THE FAA APPROVING THE TOWER, TOO. YES, THE FAA HAS APPROVED THE TOWER AND THEY EXPECT IT TO BE IN BEFORE THE OLYMPICS. NICE. THAT'S COOL. ALSO, AREN'T THEY MOVING THE ENTRANCE? THEY ARE GOING TO MOVE THE ENTRANCE, WHICH I DID A PARKING LOT. THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THAT RED LIGHT, AREN'T THEY? YES. I'VE BEEN OVER THERE SINCE THAT. YEAH, YEAH. BUT TO YOUR POINT, I DO THINK WRITING THESE THINGS BROUGHT UP THE DISCUSSION. I THINK WE'LL GET US THERE. SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK IT WAS ALL FRUITLESS. YEAH. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE. 
          AGAIN, I THINK WE ALL WANT CLEAN AIR AND WE ALL WANT SOMETHING BETTER FOR THOSE. 
          THOSE AGAINST CLEAN AIR. PLEASE. I THINK IT'S HOW WE GO ABOUT GETTING THERE AND WHAT WE WHAT WE. WHAT WE ACTUALLY SAY AND CONVEY GATHERS AGAIN ON THE FIRST ONE. PLEASE SEND ME WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE CHANGED AND SEE IF WE CAN'T. I DON'T NECESSARILY I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE THAT LOOKS FOR UNANIMOUS UNANIMITY, RIGHT? I DON'T LOOK FOR SEVEN ZEROS NECESSARILY. I LOOK FOR FOUR. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET AT LEAST FOUR ON. I'D LOVE TO GET AS MANY AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S THE WAY TO WORK. AND THAT GOES FOR YOU GUYS TOO. 
          OKAY. ANYTHING ON THAT ONE. HOW IT WORKS IN POLITICS WHEN IT'S A BODY OF SEVEN, RIGHT. YOU 
          [f.
 Discussion of a Potential Partnership Agreement with the Wasatch Improv Festival]
NEED TO COUNT TO FOUR. THE VERY FIRST THING YOU NEED TO LEARN. GOT THAT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM. IT IS A DISCUSSION OF A POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WITH THE WASATCH IMPROV FESTIVAL. THERE ARE TWO NAMES ON THIS. HOWEVER, I FEEL IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT WE START WITH MR. SHELTON BECAUSE WE HAVE MR. SHELTON AND MR. VADER. 
          ON THIS AND MR. WHY DO YOU WANT TO SHARE FIRST? WELL, NO, I'M JUST I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO NOT BE HERE AT ALL. NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE THEN THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M GOOD FOR THAT PROBABLY WON'T TELL US HOW YOU'RE INVOLVED SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT WE HAVE KEN GO. SO I AM ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE WASATCH IMPROV FESTIVAL. 
          AND IT'LL BE THAT GROUP OF US THAT ARE BRINGING IT TO THE CITY. AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO RECUSE YOURSELF FROM VOTING, RIGHT? BUT OF COURSE, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS TO ASK, PROBABLY THE EXPERT, THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHY I ANSWER THE QUESTION. SORRY, CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. IF YOU WANTED ME TO LEAVE, I'D LEAVE NOW. BUT IF YOU WANT TO STICK AROUND, JUST GET OUT OF HERE. I WANTED TO GO AS THE CHAIR I WANT. GO GET DINNER. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO, KENT, TAKE IT AWAY. SO THE WASATCH IMPROV FESTIVAL HAS BEEN HELD IN MIDVALE FOR MANY YEARS. HOW MANY YEARS? EIGHT YEARS. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS. IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT. ANYWAY, THE THOUGHT IS THAT WE HAVE OUR NEW THEATER HERE IN WEST JORDAN. THE COMMUNITY AND ARTS CENTER AND COMMUNITY AND ARTS CENTER, AND GIVE YOU CREDIT UNION, COMMUNITY AND ARTS CENTER. LET'S GET THE NAME RIGHT. IT IS A MOUTHFUL. THANK YOU. KELVIN. YOU KNOW, WE THEY GAVE US $500,000. SO WHEN WE BRING IT 
          [01:50:06]
UP, WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW, GIVING YOU A HARD TIME. YOU'RE 100% RIGHT. SO ANYWAY, THE CANYON VIEW CREDIT UNION COMMUNITY AND ARTS CENTER IS A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY, MUCH MORE MODERN AND WELCOMING THAN THE FACILITY IN MIDVALE. AND IT'S OUR OWN. BOB IS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE FESTIVAL, AND SO I LEARNED THAT WEST JORDAN CITY LEADERSHIP WAS INTERESTED IN IN TRYING TO GET BRING BOB OVER HERE WITH HIS FESTIVAL. AND I WAS EXCITED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO BE ON THIS REQUEST FOR COUNCIL ACTION. SO ANYWAY, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE GROUP COMING HERE. ARE THEY ASKING FOR ANYTHING? THEY'RE JUST WANTING TO RENT OUR BUILDING AND COME, AND IT WOULD BE A FEE WAIVER FOR THE USE OF THE BUILDING. AND THERE'S A LOT OR A CASH CONTRIBUTION DEPENDING ON IF THEY'RE NON-FOR-PROFIT. IS IT A NON-FOR-PROFIT? THEY'RE NON-FOR-PROFIT. SO MAKE PROFIT. 
          SO BECAUSE THEY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT THEY WOULDN'T BE FOR PROFIT. THEY ARE A FOR PROFIT GROUP. THEN WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DO IS. DECIDE, DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM CASH. AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO DO A 1082 STUDY TO SHOW THE VALIDITY OF THE CASH AND THAT. RIGHT, CORBIN. SO WHAT I PROPOSE IS A CONTRACT TO CO-SPONSOR THE WASATCH IMPROV FESTIVAL THAT THE WASATCH IMPROV FESTIVAL, LLC OR QUICK WITS LLC, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE COMPANY IS, THEY PUT IT ON, BUT THEY ENTER INTO A SPONSORSHIP CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE TO THE FESTIVAL IS THE FACILITY. AND IF WE'RE A CO-SPONSOR BY CONTRACT, THEN WE CAN MARKET AND ADVERTISE THE EVENT AS WELL. IN RETURN, THEY, AS A COMPANY HAVE TO PUT ON THE FESTIVAL IN THE CITY. THEY HAVE TO MARKET WEST JORDAN AS THE HOME OF THE FESTIVAL. THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE IMPROV CLASSES TO WEST JORDAN RESIDENTS, THE SPANISH CLASS, TO WESTERN RESIDENTS. THEY ASSURE THAT THOSE TRAVELING FOR THE EVENT STAY IN WESTERN HOTEL, ETC. SO THERE'S A QUID PRO QUO, BUT THE QUID PRO QUO SPELLED OUT IN THE SPONSORSHIP CONTRACT RATHER THAN A 1082 STUDY. BUT IT'S STILL BUT BUT THE THE QUID PRO QUO CONTRACT WOULD PROBABLY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE 1082 STUDY BECAUSE IT OUTLINES THAT ANYWAY. I THINK SO JOSH. YEAH, I MEAN I WOULDN'T THINK WITH A CONTRACT LIKE THAT THAT WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT DICTATES, I THINK WE WOULD COMPLY WITH THE SPIRIT OF IT BY HAVING THAT STUDY THERE AND HAVING THE DISCLOSURE OF IT. BUT IF WE'RE DOING IT THROUGH THE AGREEMENT PROCESS, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD REQUIRE THE SAME PROCESS BECAUSE THE AGREEMENT REQUIREMENT, WE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE GIVING CASH. AND ON A 1082, WE WOULD PRESUMABLY. IS THAT THE IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE? YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM CASH VERSUS. YEAH. AND IF THE CASH IS IN THE FORM, IF WE'RE DOING THE CO-SPONSOR AND WE'RE USING THE BUILDING, THEN IT'S NOT COST. WE STILL WE STILL IN THE AGREEMENT WOULD DELINEATE THAT STUFF. AND SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. IT WOULD MEET THE INTENT OF 1082. BUT IT TO ME FOR ME I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          SO YEAH BRING STUFF TO WEST JORDAN. SO YOU'RE NOT JOKING WITH US. WHAT'S THAT? YOU WON'T BE JOKING WITH US SPANISH CLASSES AND IMPROV CLASSES FOR RESIDENTS THAT SPANISH IMPROV. 
          SPANISH IMPROV. OKAY, THESE CLASSES THAT WERE MENTIONED ARE THESE CLASSES THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE OR ARE THEY JUST. OKAY, SO. SO THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO COME TO LEARN TO COMPETE WITH YOU. AND OKAY. AND THEY CAN LEARN IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. THEY WOULDN'T BE COMPETING. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO LEARN TO HOW TO BE A FUTURE PARTICIPANT. YES, THEY WOULD TAKE CLASSES. WE WOULD SET THEM UP, TRY TO GET SIGNUPS, AND WE'LL SET THEM UP FOR RESIDENT RESIDENTS ONLY. IF AT SOME POINT YOU REALIZE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP. BUT THE GOAL IS WE DO HAVE AN IMPROV GROUP. WE HAD THEM LAST YEAR AND THEY'RE SPANISH SPEAKING IMPROV, AND IT WAS REALLY COOL TO JUST HAVE AN ENTIRE 20 MINUTES OF SPANISH AND THE AUDIENCE STILL JUST LAUGHING AND HAVING A GOOD TIME. BUT SO WE TALKED. THEY LOVED THE FESTIVAL AND WANTED TO COME BACK AGAIN THIS YEAR. AND SO WE SAID, IF WE WE PAY YOU SOME MONEY, WE TEACH A FREE CLASS. 
          THEY SAID, OF COURSE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T MAKE MONEY IN IMPROV. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          [01:55:05]
AND I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING GREAT WE CAN REALLY OFFER TO THE CITY IS FREE IMPROV CLASSES. OBVIOUSLY, A COUPLE OF IMPROV CLASSES, AND I'LL EVEN TRY TO DO MORE, BUT I'LL BE TAUGHT BY ME AS MOST OF THE ENGLISH ONES. BUT I WAIT NOW BY THIS GUY THAT CITY GEEKERY, THE GEEKERY. YEAH, I LOVE THAT SEAN WILL BE THERE AS WELL, BUT SOMETHING I'D LIKE I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THIS. BOB WON'T TELL YOU, BUT THIS IS A LABOR OF LOVE FOR HIM. HE PUTS A LOT OF HIS OWN PERSONAL MONEY INTO MAKING THIS HAPPEN. IT'S NOT SOMETHING HE'S DOING TO MAKE MONEY, AND IT'S AN ART. YEAH, SELDOM IN ART HIS PASSION. RIGHT. AND AND SO TO HAVE AN EVENT OF THIS QUALITY IN OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK IS A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE CITY. THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT'S THE TYPICAL ATTENDANCE PER DAY? LIKE 100 PEOPLE. 500 PEOPLE. 
          WE'RE HOPING TO WE'RE HOPING TO SELL OUT. WE'VE BEEN IN WHAT ARE WE, 250 OR 202, 230 SOMETHING. SO YEAH. 230 WE'D LOVE TO HAVE 200. WE'VE BEEN AT THE MIDVALE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. WE COULD GET THAT TO ABOUT 160. AND WE WERE AT PACKED IN THERE. WE WERE PACKED 60. THERE. IT WAS. IT WAS CRAZY. BUT BUT A LOT OF THAT ALSO IS THE OTHER TROOPS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THEM TO SEE. SO THEY'RE SEATED IN THERE AS WELL. SO WE'RE MAYBE SELLING ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF ITS TICKET SALES. THE OTHERS ARE THE OTHER GROUPS WATCHING. BUT OUR EXCITEMENT THIS TIME IS THAT AND THIS IS A VERY NICHE THING, BUT THE WASATCH IMPROV FESTIVAL HAS BECOME A VERY KNOWN FESTIVAL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND TO BRING IT INTO A BUILDING LIKE THIS, I THINK IS GOING TO ELEVATE IT TO A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD. I'M HOPING. AND I NEED TO GET WITH THE THE CITY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT MAYBE SOME RATES FOR FOR HOTELS. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO DO AIRBNBS AND HOTELS, BUT IF WE CAN GET THEM SOME RATES IN HOTELS, THEY'LL COME IN HERE AND BE HERE, AN RV PARK, AN RV PARK MAYBE AT SOME POINT, BUT I I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. ALL WE HAD DONE FOR FOR MIDVALE FOR EIGHT YEARS WAS THEY SPONSORED IT AND THEN AND THEY JUST GAVE US THE BUILDING FOR THE TIME. AND WE NEVER EVEN MET WITH THEM OR TALKED WITH THEM OR ANYTHING. THEY WERE JUST LIKE, YEAH, GO DO YOUR LITTLE FESTIVAL. AND BUT COMING HERE, IT BECAME A VERY DIFFERENT THING FOR ME BECAUSE I'M ON THE COUNCIL HERE. 
          I, I WAS A LITTLE LEERY OF THE OPTICS OF A FEE WAIVER WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING, WE PAY YOUR SALARY AND WE DON'T. WHY ARE YOU GETTING FREE THINGS? SO WE TALKED WITH THE CITY ABOUT A POSSIBLE CO-SPONSORSHIP, THE LOGO I SHOULD HAVE, I CAN I CAN PULL UP FOR YOU AND SHOW YOU THE. THE LOGO HAS BIG WEST JORDAN RIGHT ACROSS THE LOGO BECAUSE WE MADE IT BIGGER THAN WE HAD DONE ON THE MIDVALE BEFORE BECAUSE WE'RE I TOLD MY LOGO DESIGNER THAT WE'RE MORE EXCITED ABOUT THE CITY NOW, SO BUILD THAT UP. BUT IT WILL BE A THING. WE WE BUY A LOT OF ADVERTISING THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIAS, WHICH OF COURSE WILL BE A PART OF WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT WEST JORDAN WHEN WE'RE DOING THINGS LIKE GOOD THINGS, UTAH AND OTHER TV SPOTS. RADIO STATIONS HAVE HAD US ON IN THE PAST. THAT WILL BE OBVIOUSLY HITTING WEST JORDAN. FOR ME, THIS IS A PART OF WHERE I TALKED A LOT ABOUT GETTING AN IDENTITY FOR WEST JORDAN, AND I THINK GETTING THINGS LIKE THAT IN HERE. HELP THAT AND AND FESTIVALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BRING IN PEOPLE THAT AREN'T JUST NECESSARILY WEST JORDAN, PEOPLE THAT OTHERS COMING IN TO SEE THE CITY, WHICH GOES BACK TO OUR MISSION STATEMENT OF BEING A WELCOMING PLACE. AND I THINK OF ALL THE ART FORMS I'VE EVER BEEN A PART OF. IMPROV IS THE MOST WELCOMING AND JUST NICE TO SEE THAT. YES, YES I AM. SO THE ONLY COST IS 3000. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO HARD COST TO THIS. BUT I MEAN, THE WAVING OF THE COST IS $3,000. OH THERE'S THE WOW. WE EVEN HAVE THE LOGO RIGHT THERE. BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN I HAVE WE'VE DONE THIS WITH OTHERS IS. SERVICE FEES. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I THINK THERE WILL BE A COST TO CLEAN UP THE VENUE WITH CLEANERS. SO IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE YOUR GROUP COULD WE LEAD THE CLEANING? WE WE CLEAN UP PRETTY HEAVILY SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYBODY TO CLEAN THE BUILDING, BECAUSE THE 
          [02:00:01]
SATURDAY NIGHT, WE USUALLY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD LITTLE BLOWOUT PARTY. ISN'T THAT PRETTY MUCH INCLUDED IN ALL THE RENTALS? JUST BEING ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT BETTER? YEAH, WE KIND OF PUT IN SOME OF THE FEES THAT'S BASED ON THE RATES IN THE ART CENTER DOES COST IN SOME OF THE FACILITY CLEANING. I THINK EVEN IF THEY AGREED TO CLEAN IT UP, WE'D STILL SEND IN OUR FACILITIES TEAM JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S UP TO STANDARDS, UP TO ALL OF OURS, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO ALWAYS HAVE A CHECKLIST THAT THEY COMPLETE JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO DAMAGE THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE, JUST TAKEN OUT. MIDVILLE DOES THE SAME THING. WE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES, I THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, IN A $72 MILLION BUDGET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. $5,000. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WHAT CAN WE DO TO BRING THINGS TO THE CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD BRING IN THE SOUTH BEACH FOOD AND WINE FESTIVAL TO WEST WEST JORDAN THAT THEY HAVE IN MIAMI BEACH. YEAH. HEY, BRING IT ON. YOU KNOW, CORBIN, WE TALKED, WE TALKED. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME WE'LL EVENTS TO BRING TO THE CITY AND IF WE WHAT IT MIGHT COST US. I THINK THERE'S A POINT IN TIME THAT GOES BACK TO SOMETHING THAT ZACH SAID, THAT IF WE'RE THE THIRD LARGEST CITY, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED TO HAVE EVENTS. YOU KNOW, SALT LAKE CITY'S GOT THE UTAH ARTS FESTIVAL DOWN AT THE SQUARE. 
          THEY HAVE OTHER TYPES OF THINGS. LET'S LET'S START OUT AND LET'S DO IT. IT'S A START. AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT START. AND I THINK IT WILL BE A REALLY GOOD THING FOR OUR CITY, AS YOU SAID, TO START BRINGING THINGS IN, TRY TO START GETTING HOPEFULLY ONE DAY OUR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WILL SAY, I KNOW WHAT WEST JORDAN IS. YES. I DO NOT KNOW, REALLY KNOW. SO IS THERE ANYONE THAT IS OPPOSED? THEN COUNCIL. SO. SO WE WILL AIM TO BRING THIS BACK. THEN AT THE VERY NEXT MEETING, IT NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE. BECAUSE IT'S OCCURRING IN JANUARY. YEAH. 15 THROUGH 17. 
          ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS THIS I MENTIONED A CO-SPONSORSHIP THROUGH A CONTRACT. THAT'S THE WAY WE'D LIKE TO HANDLE IT. SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO APPROVE. 
          THESE. THE COUNCIL SUPPORT A ONE YEAR CONTRACT WITH OPTIONS TO RENEW SO THAT THIS CAN BE BECOME A MULTIYEAR CONTRACT. GIVE HIM A THUMBS UP IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY. EIGHT YEARS. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. SIX. YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO? WHAT I WOULD DO ONE WITH AN OPTION TO RENEW TO FOUR. SO THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. IT'S EASIER IF IT'S SOMETHING WE THINK WE WILL LIKE AND THINK WE WANT TO DO MULTIPLE YEARS. IT'S EASIER ON STAFF TO HAVE THE CONTRACT GO FOR A LONGER PERIOD THAN TRY TO REDO THE CONTRACT AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. YEAH, YEAH, I LIKE THAT IDEA. ALL RIGHT. ANY ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT. I WILL CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED AND SEE YOU BACK IN CHAMBE
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