Dec 16, 2025 Committee of the Whole

SIDE OF YOU, RECORDING IN PROGRESS. OKAY. WELCOME EVERYONE. WE WILL GET STARTED

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[a. Discussion Regarding a Proposed Amendment to the Future Land Use Map (FLUM) for Property Located at 5927 West 9000 South]

PLAY THERE A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU ACTING CHAIR AND COUNCIL JUST OVER THIS. THIS IS THE PROPERTY JUST NEXT TO DOLPHIN OFF OF 90TH SOUTH AND MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR. WE'RE CALLING IT WEST JORDAN. SO THEY'RE JUST PROPOSING A REZONE TO THE M-1 ZONE. CURRENTLY. IT'S A COMMERCIAL M-1 IN A MANUFACTURING AREA. A NOVEL IDEA HERE. KEEP GOING. SORRY, I CURRENTLY IT'S FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS A REGIONAL COMMERCIAL, SO THIS WOULD ALSO REQUIRE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. WE HAVE TRIED TO PUT SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON THIS. WE'VE HAD A COUPLE APPLICANTS, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET ACCESS ONTO 90TH SOUTH FROM UDOT BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT ANOTHER LIGHT THAT WOULD BACK UP, POTENTIALLY ENCUMBER MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR. SO THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT WHO IS HERE HAS COME UP WITH IS THIS KIND OF CONCEPT SIMILAR TO WHAT DELFIN DID, BUT GEARED TOWARDS SMALLER USERS, SO MORE LOCAL AND REGIONAL RATHER THAN NATIONAL. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A DATA CENTER? NO DATA, NO DATA WAREHOUSES. OH, WAREHOUSES. OKAY. AND SO THEY DON'T NEED THE ADDITIONAL ACCESS ON 90TH. THEY CAN WORK WITH THE ACCESSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE. SO THAT'S WHY THE STAFF SUPPORT THIS. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD SUPPORT. AND ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES BEFORE WE TAKE THIS THROUGH THE PROCESS.

IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT CONSTRAINTS CAN CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, AND IF SO, WOULD THIS LOSE ANY MEANINGFUL FLEXIBILITY ONCE IT'S RECLASSIFIED? INDUSTRIAL? CONSTRAINTS ON THE ROADWAY? YEAH, LIKE THE ACCESS AND STUFF. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION BETTER FOR THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER. ALL RIGHT. SO. WHILE YOU'RE GETTING SET UP I JUST WANT TO. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THEY WERE BEFORE US ONCE BEFORE AND THEY BROUGHT IN SOME HOUSING AND WE SAID WE REALLY DIDN'T LIKE THAT. AND WHAT THEY'VE BROUGHT BEFORE US NOW SHOWS THAT THEY LISTENED TO WHAT WE HAD TO SAY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SO THANK YOU.

QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER, ARE WE SEEING A CORRIDOR WIDE TREND HERE FOR THIS? AND IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE PROACTIVE ABOUT OR REACTIVE? I DON'T THINK WE'RE SEEING A CORRIDOR WIDE TREND. I REALLY THINK THIS IS A SPECIFIC PIECE THAT WE'VE HAD JUST NO ABILITY TO REALLY GET COMMERCIAL ON THAT BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS ISSUES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GREAT CORNER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ACCESS IT. THAT REALLY LIMITS YOUR.

OPTIONS FOR WHO'S RUNNING THIS WHEN YOU GO BACK TO KEEP GOING BACK, THAT ONE, THAT ONE. TO ME, THIS SAYS IT ALL SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER. YEAH YEAH YEAH. TO ME THIS IS A NO BRAINER RIGHT.

YOU GOT YOU GOT PURPLE ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. WE'RE MAKING A PURPLE TO MATCH THAT. TO MATCH THE REST OF THE USE. I SAY. THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST COMMON SENSE PLANNING DECISIONS WE COULD MAKE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS ORIGINALLY SOME PC IN THERE OR TACO PC. AND THEN THERE'S A REGIONAL COMMERCIAL THAT WAS A HOLDOVER FROM WHAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WHAT WHAT I WOULD MAKE A SUGGESTION ON IS, SEE THAT LITTLE STRETCH OF RED THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE AND THE 90TH SOUTH? YEAH, WE'LL CLEAN THAT UP. I'D SAY IF WE MAKE THIS, LET'S CLEAN THAT UP AND JUST MAKE JUST MAKE IT PURPLE. YEAH. THEY DON'T OWN THAT. THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THIS. BUT YES THAT'S RIGHT AWAY. EASILY CHANGE THAT DEFINITION AT THE SAME TIME AND IT MAKES IT CLEAN. YEAH. SO WE DON'T LOOK AT A MAP AND SAY WHY DO WE HAVE THAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL ON A STREET. YEAH, YEAH. I'LL SPEAK ABOUT IT.

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UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PLANNING FOR THAT. AND SO I THAT I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S YOU'RE RIGHT. AND IT'S SAD THAT, THAT WE CAN'T HAVE ACCESS AS A LIGHT OR SOMEBODY TO GET OUT ON TO 90TH TO GO IN AND OUT THERE. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU CAN SEE WHY UDOT DOESN'T WANT TO PUT ANY MORE ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THERE THAT CLOSE TO A MAJOR. WHAT WILL BE A MAJOR FREEWAY INTERCHANGE HERE IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS? I MEAN, WE'RE STARTING ON THE SOUTH END AND WE'RE MOVING NORTH AND. IN FIVE YEARS, BECAUSE THEY WON'T DO IT UNTIL UTA HAS THAT BUS LINE GOING. I WAS GOING TO SAY TEN. YEAH, BUT EITHER WAY. BUT THE PLAN BUT THE PLAN IS, IS TO START ON THE SOUTH END OF MOUNTAIN VIEW PRETTY QUICK AND MOVE NORTH. THAT'S THAT'S UNDERWAY. YEAH. AND SO THEY'RE MOVING NORTH. RIGHT. AND SO AND I THINK THEY'VE ALREADY WORKED ON THE OLD BINGHAM TO GET THAT. SO WE'RE THE NEXT ONE. THIS ONE'S THE NEXT ONE. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN SOON. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE RELATIVELY NEAR FUTURE. EVEN IF IT'S TEN YEARS.

THAT'S PRETTY PRETTY SHORT TIME FRAME IN IN UDOT PLANNING. SO YOU KNOW THAT COULD BE A MAJOR INTERCHANGE HERE IN THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS. SO I YOU KNOW, WE'RE PLANNERS HAD IT RIGHT DIDN'T THEY. WE SAW WE SAW SOMEBODY COME IN AND THEY WANTED TO SAY, WELL, LET'S PUT HOUSES THERE. AND WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH HOUSES ON BANGERTER THAT IT JUST GOT PUT IN. AND THEN THEY GOT TORE OUT AND, AND SO THEY MADE MONEY. YEAH, THEY PROBABLY DID. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, COMMERCIAL USE HAS LESS IMPACT IF THERE IS A WIDENING OF THE ROAD. YEAH.

WE WE'VE SEEN THAT AT 98 AND BANGERTER WITH A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES THAT HAD THEIR WALL RIPPED OUT WHILE THE ROADS BEING CONSTRUCTED AND NOW THE WALLS FILLED BACK IN AND THEY'RE DOING FINE. SO I THINK THAT TO ME, GIVEN THE DYNAMICS OF THAT CORNER, THE THAT PUTTING PUTTING SOME WAREHOUSE SPACE IN THERE IS PROBABLY THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH EVERYTHING RIGHT THERE. AND I'M SURE IT'S PROBABLY SOME FLEX OFFICE TYPE SPACE THAT I THINK THAT'S JUST ABOUT AS COMMON SENSE AS YOU CAN GET KNOWING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THERE. IF WE HAD ANOTHER ACCESS, I'D SAY, WELL, LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER USE.

BUT WITH WITH THE ACCESS THAT'S TIED TO THE WAY UDOT'S GOT IT. I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WHEN WE SAW A PROPOSAL FOR HOUSES ON THERE, IT WAS LIKE, OH, I'M GOING TO PUT HOUSES IN THERE. THIS IS THE GREEN IS THE POWER CORRIDOR RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE CAN'T I CALL THIS PROPOSAL A QUIETLY CONSEQUENTIAL ONE BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE JUST THE WAY, THE FUTURE, THE WAY WE WANT TO SHAPE OUR CITY AND THAT WE'RE TIED OUR HANDS WITH UDOT. AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST CASE SCENARIO RECORDERS BETWEEN NOW AND AND THIS PROPERTY TOO. THANK YOU. YEAH I THINK THIS IS COMMON SENSE. I AND IF I'M, IF I MAY JUMP IN I STATE YOUR NAME. YES, SIR. YES. SAL PERDOMO WITH TITAN DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE THE APPLICANT. AND THE FUTURE THE DEVELOPER. THE FUTURE PROPOSED PROJECT. WE WERE NOT THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT, NOR WERE WE THE PROPERTY OWNER. BUT WE DO HAVE PLANS TO DEVELOP THE SITE.

ASSUMING THAT THE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT AND THE ZONE CHANGE DOES GO FORWARD. THE KEY THING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE REFERENCED IS THE ACCESS. IT'S A UDOT WILL NOT ALLOW A FOUR WAY ACCESS

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SO RETAIL WILL BE EVEN COMMERCIAL USES WILL BE EVEN LESS VIABLE AT THAT LOCATION.

WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON A DATA CENTER. THE POWER I DON'T THINK THE ZONING ALLOWS FOR. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S PROBABLY AN OVERLAY OF SOME SORT. THERE'S NO POP. WE NEED MORE POWER TO DO THAT.

THERE'S ONLY WOULD ALLOW FOR ZONING, WOULD ALLOW FOR IT. OKAY. SORRY. WE ARE THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER RUNS. RIGHT. JUST TAP IN AND JUST JUST JUST TAKE YOUR BATTERY CLIPS. PLUG IT IN. YOU'RE GOOD. JUMPER CABLES. THAT'S RIGHT. REAL QUICK. MISS QUICK, DID YOU GET HIS NAME OKAY? NO. CAN WE GET YOUR NAME AGAIN? SAL. SAL PERDOMO P E R D O M O. YEAH. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY WE WORK IN A LOT OF CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, AND WEST JORDAN HAS BEEN THE EASIEST, FRIENDLIEST, LIKE BEST PLACE WE'VE WORKED SO FAR. YOUR STAFF HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY GREAT, EASY TO WORK WITH. YEAH, WHATEVER YOU NEED, BUT I JUST YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN REALLY AWESOME. SO THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS PROCESS PRETTY EASY. NO PROBLEM CHAD, YOU GOT ANY? I WAITED TILL YOU PUT A COOKIE IN YOUR MOUTH BEFORE I ASKED YOU. I USED TO BE A WAITER, SO I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THIS. NO, I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE WE WANTED IT TO GO, AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US. AS YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEEN ON THE PROPOSED FUTURE LINE MAP CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. WE GOT FOUR PEOPLE READY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. SEVEN. YEAH.

AND CAITLIN, I'M ASSUMING RIGHT. SHE'S UP THERE. REALLY. SHE'S NOT DOWN THERE. SPEAK FROM THE POWER OF THE DELAWARE RIVER. I THINK WE HEARD CAITLIN. YES, YES, I'M DEFINITELY YES. CHAIR WHITELOCK HAD SAID BEFORE THEY WERE HAPPY WITH WHAT THE. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'VE GOT I THINK YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED FROM US. YOU NEED FROM US. NO. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU GUYS I APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. TAKE YOUR COOKIES AND GO TAKE THOSE EASY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO HAND THEM OUT TO GET VOTES, BUT I APPRECIATE IT. NEXT IS

[b. Discussion on Proposed Code Amendments Related to Definitions for Residency, Guests, and Vehicles]

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS WE LOOKED AT THE CODE. IT REALLY DIDN'T SAY RESIDENCY. IT WAS MORE OCCUPY OR OCCUPANCY. AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THIS, AS WE'VE GOT LISTED OUT HERE, WE'RE LOOKING TO JUST DEFINE OCCUPY A LITTLE MORE SO THAT WE CAN SET FORTH THE IDEA THAT YOU DID OCCUPY THIS TRAILER, WHERE I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN TO THE RESIDENTS AND SEEN TRAILER OCCUPIED FOR SEVERAL HOURS IN A ROW AFTER THEIR 21 DAYS. SO WHAT WE'RE SINCE YOU SEE WRITTEN HERE SAYS OCCUPY OR OCCUPIED GUEST OR GUEST, A GUEST OR GUEST BEING PHYSICALLY PRESENT ONE OR MORE TIMES FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME, FOR WHATEVER REASON OR PURPOSE, AND EITHER WITH OR WITHOUT PERMISSION IN A VEHICLE, SPACE, PLACE OR LOCATION ON A GIVEN DAY. I WANT TO BE CLEAR THIS DOESN'T TAKE ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE A RESIDENT IN THAT LOCATION.

SO THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN TRAILER ON THEIR LAND AND THEY WANT TO GO IN THERE TO, AS WE'VE SAID, WATCH A GAME OR OR PLAY A BOARD GAME OR JUST GET AWAY FROM THE FAMILY FOR A LITTLE WHILE. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT. RESIDENTS CAN STILL DO WHAT THEY CAN, BUT THIS IS PEOPLE WHO ARE BRINGING A NON RESIDENT TO THAT HOUSE IN PAST THE 21 DAYS, WHICH WE'VE ALLOTTED FOR THAT TO GO. SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE IS JUST SOMETHING. SO HOPEFULLY CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO IDENTIFY. IN TALKING WITH TALKING WITH THE ATTORNEYS ON THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK THAT RESIDENTS CAN EVEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING WAS THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT WASN'T THERE TO SEE IT. AND SO SINCE IT WASN'T THERE TO SEE IT BECAUSE THE PERSON HAD COME ON AND LEFT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THEIR SHIFT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN STILL PUT IN.

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YOU'VE GOT TO GO INTO THE YOU GOT TO GO INTO THE MOBILE HOME AND SHOW THAT, OH, THIS BED IS INDENTED. SOMEONE SLEPT HERE FOR MORE THAN SO MANY HOURS. BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS REGARDLESS OF DURATION, OCCUPANCY CAN BE COUNTED BY DAYS, AND THAT CAN TRIGGER A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING OF. YEAH, I HAVE A SIMILAR ISSUE HERE, ACTUALLY. I GUESS, OR GUESS BEING PHYSICALLY PRESENT ONE OR MORE TIMES FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IN A VEHICLE IN AND THEN GOING BACK DOWN TO A TRAVEL TRAILER CAMP OR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE OR MOTORHOME. SO IF YOU HAVE YOUR FRIENDS OVER TO YOUR HOUSE AND YOU WANT TO GO PLAY A BOARD GAME IN YOUR TRAILER, THEY CAN ONLY GO IN UP TO 21 TIMES THIS YEAR. YEAH, YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM OVER EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT. THEY CAN PLAY A GAME IN YOUR KITCHEN, BUT THEY CAN'T PLAY A GAME IN YOUR RV. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE REGULATING LAND USE IMPACTS AND NOT PEOPLE'S RELATIONSHIPS. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE WORKING ON. YEAH, THERE'S JUST A HUGE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE HERE. AND THEN ENFORCEMENT. RIGHT. YEAH. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO. YEAH. SEE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION IS HOW IS THIS ENFORCEABLE? I MEAN, IF WE SAY THAT OCCUPY MEANS ANY LENGTH OF TIME FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO I'M, I'M GOING TO STRETCH THIS TO THE ABSURD. RIGHT. IT'S NOT HARD TO DO WITH THE BROAD, BUT WITH THIS, IF I HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S PHYSICALLY PRESENT ONE OR MORE TIMES FIXING MY TRAVEL TRAILER IN MY. BACKYARD, IT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF THIS.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS KIND OF WHAT WE NEED. I MEAN, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM TO TRY TO STOP PEOPLE FROM GAMING THE SYSTEM.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO, RIGHT, IS WE'RE TRYING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM GAMING THE SYSTEM SO THAT SOMEBODY CAN LIVE IN A TRAVEL TRAILER IN THEIR BACKYARD ON A LONG TERM BASIS, BUT THEY'RE PLAYING, THEY'RE GAMING THE SYSTEM SO THEY DON'T GET THE CITATION. IS THAT IS THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HAD. SO SO MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS THERE IS THERE A. IS THERE A BETTER WAY OF. DOING THIS TO STOP THE GAMING OF THE SYSTEM WITHOUT GOING SO OVERLY BROAD THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY INCLUDE A REFRIGERATOR REPAIRMAN IN THIS DEFINITION? WE WANT TO CLEAN IT TO REGULATE SLEEP IN OUR HABITATION RATHER THAN PRESENCE. CORRECT. THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE RUN INTO IS, IS THAT HOW DO WE PROVE THAT THEY SLEPT? OR HOW DO WE PROVE THAT THEY WERE RESIDING THERE, OR THEY WERE USING IT AS, AS A, AS AN OVERNIGHT OR SOMETHING, RIGHT. WITH WITHOUT WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO ENTER, WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO INVADE INTO PRIVATE SPACES, WHICH I THINK ACTUALLY WAS THE BIGGER CONCERN AS OPPOSED TO MAKING IT OVERLY BROAD. IT WAS DO WE INFRINGE ON PEOPLE'S PRIVACY RIGHTS AND,

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IT'S IT'S PESKY CONSTITUTION. SO THAT I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT. LIKE THIS, THIS IS THE THIS IS THE ISSUE. WHAT IS WHAT IS THAT LINE AND WHERE DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO THE UNINTENDED IMPACTS.

AND THIS IS NOT HYPOTHETICAL. YOU'RE LOOKING AT MULTIGENERATIONAL LIVING ISSUES.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT CAREGIVING AND HEALTH. I MEAN, ONE EXAMPLE I'VE I'VE DONE SOME POSTPARTUM DOULA WORK, AND I'LL BE AT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE EVERY DAY FOR THREE WEEKS, AND THAT WOULD IMMEDIATELY LIKE GO AGAINST THE NECESSARILY GO INTO THEIR HOUSE, BUT YOU CAN'T GO INTO THEIR RV.

RIGHT. AND THEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY PRESSURE. WHEN THIS HOUSING IS TIGHT, PEOPLE WILL ADAPT CREATIVELY. AND THIS CODE NARROWS THAT ADAPTATION WITHOUT OFFERING ANY ALTERNATIVES. WELL, BUT IT ALREADY DOES THOSE THINGS, RIGHT. WE ALREADY SAY THAT YOU CAN'T RESIDE FOR 21 DAYS. SO SO THOSE CONSIDERATIONS ARE ACTUALLY ALREADY IN THE CODE.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU SAY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. I THINK THESE ARE ALL INTENDED CONSEQUENCES, TO BE HONEST. YOU'RE RIGHT. LIKE THE THE INTENT IS THAT UNLESS YOU'RE A RESIDENT AT THE PROPERTY, STAY OUT OF THE RVS. IF IF YOU'RE IN THE RVS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE. OR MAYBE IT'S NOT. MAYBE THE COUNCIL DECIDES, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE 21 DAY THING IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR US, AND WE WANT TO ACTUALLY UNDO THAT. I DON'T KNOW, BUT THIS DISCUSSION IS GREAT. I MEAN, EVEN HYPOTHETICALLY IS I HAVE A TRAVEL TRAILER. LUCKILY IT'S NOT PARKED IN WEST JORDAN AT THE PRESENT TIME BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO BACK IT INTO MY DRIVEWAY IF I TRIED, BECAUSE I'M SUCH A TERRIBLE DRIVER WHEN IT COMES TO PACKING TRAILERS, YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE NEIGHBOR HAD TO COME DO IT FOR ME THE LAST TIME. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IF I HAD A TRAVEL TRAILER IN MY HOUSE ON THIS DEFINITION, IF I WANTED SOMEPLACE QUIET TO WORK LIKE A LIKE AN OFFICE, CAN'T PARK MY I CAN'T PARK MY TRAVEL TRAILER IN MY BACK, USE IT AS AN OFFICE. YOU COULD, YOU COULD BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A GUEST. YEAH. AS LONG AS IT'S YOU 100%. BUT. WELL. BUT SEE GUEST, GUEST, GUEST. I WOULD DISAGREE BECAUSE GUEST ISN'T DEFINED. GUEST ISN'T DEFINED EITHER. AND AND SO WHO'S GUEST WHAT IT IS. SO I GET WHERE WE'RE WHERE WHAT WE WANT TO DO I, I THINK YOU GOT TO HAVE I DON'T I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN GET ANYWHERE. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE COULD GET WITH THIS DEFINITION. WE COULD GET ANY BETTER ENFORCEMENT THAN WHAT WE COULD WITH THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, BECAUSE HOW DO YOU. I'M. I'M JUST GOING TO I'M GOING TO PICK ON BROCK BECAUSE HE'S HE'S AN EASY TARGET OVER THERE. BUT BROCK AND HIS CODE ENFORCEMENT, HIS BROCK AND HIS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS GET A COMPLAINT. I CALL AND COMPLAINT AND SAY, HEY, THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR IS USING THEIR TRAVEL TRAILER. OKAY? THE ONLY WAY HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET. AND I REACH OUT. AND THEN THEN BROCK SAYS, WELL, KEEP AN EYE ON IT AND GET ME WHATEVER EVIDENCE YOU CAN. THEN DO I BECOME AN AGENT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT? AND DO I HAVE THE THOSE THE AGENT ACTING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OR CODE ENFORCEMENT? DO I NOW HAVE THOSE SAME FOURTH AMENDMENT RESTRICTIONS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS. AND SO HOW DO WE HOW WOULD WE ENFORCE THIS, I GUESS IS, YOU KNOW, WE WE CAN.

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WHAT YOU'VE GOT, I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS WITH BECAUSE OF WHAT IT WOULD REQUIRE TO TO PROVE THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. NOW IT'S BEEN ENFORCED. I KNOW THE CURRENT ORDINANCE HAS BEEN ENFORCED BECAUSE I HAD A COWORKER THAT ENDED UP WORKING WITH THE MAYOR. WHO LIVES IN WEST JORDAN, BECAUSE WHAT WAS IT? EX-WIFE WAS HOMELESS AND HE DIDN'T WANT HIS KIDS TO BECOME HOMELESS. SO THEY PUT HIM IN THE THE THE THE TRAVEL TRAILER OUT IN THE BACKYARD. AND THEN SOMEBODY GOT MAD AND. THE GUY WAS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT AND HONESTLY, I AGREE, WASN'T HURTING ANYBODY. SO THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. SURE. GO AHEAD. KAYLEEN I'M GOOD. I WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE WHAT IS BEING BROUGHT TO US, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS WITH A MICROSCOPE, AND I FEEL WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO US WAS TO TRY AND HELP. AND WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I SAY, OKAY, THE REASON WE HAVE THE CODE TO BEGIN WITH IS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE LIVING IN TRAVEL TRAILERS, REGARDLESS IF THERE'S A HOUSING SHORTAGE OR NOT. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WHAT ABOUT THE WASTE WATER, THE WATER, THE SEWER? ALL OF THOSE THINGS BECOME A HEALTH ISSUE. AND IN WEST JORDAN, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A FIRE BECAUSE TRAVEL TRAILERS WERE BEING USED AS HOMES ILLEGALLY. SO I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION. I'M NOT SURE THAT WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IS THE ANSWER, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT. FOR THOSE REASONS, THE TRAVEL TRAILER SHOULD NOT BE USED AS A RESIDENCE FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR BRINGING THIS TOGETHER, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE ARE SEEING BLATANT USES OF PEOPLE SKIRTING AROUND THIS.

AND WHAT I DON'T APPRECIATE SMILING IN MY FACE WHILE THEY DO IT, WHICH IS LITERALLY WHAT HAS BEEN DONE. AND SO I WENT TO OUR ATTORNEYS AND SAID, WE NEED SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DEFEND AND THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN ENFORCE. AND IF WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET, I MEAN, THIS IS AT LEAST GETTING SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT. WHAT'S GOING TO GET US THERE. LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. WOULD THIS WOULD THIS BE ANY MORE ENFORCEABLE THAN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. REASON BEING IS IF IF SOMEBODY'S CALLING US EVERY TIME THERE'S AN OCCURRENCE, WE'RE GOING TO DO 21 CASES ON ONE ADDRESS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT TIME, WE CAN ENFORCE IT.

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AND PATRICK AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT'S MORE DEFENSIBLE, MORE NARROW. I IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE I'M HEARING IS, IS THIS IS TOO BROAD. WE WE WE WANT WE WANT TO ALLOW FOR SOME IN AND OUT OF TRAVEL TRAILERS BY GUESTS. BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO LINGER. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO RESIDE. SO WE WANT TO REGULATE THE SLEEPING AND HABITATION AND NOT THE PRESENCE.

OKAY, RIGHT. IT'S REALLY HARD TO DEFINE I, I YEAH I KNOW SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GOING DOWN. OKAY. I'M LISTENING IN TO THEIR CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO ENFORCE THIS. AND THE DIFFICULTY WITH DEFINING RESIDE. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT A TIME OF DAY RESTRICTION OR DURATION OR TIME OF DAY IS TOUGH. BUT YOU ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, 24 HOURS A DAY AT SOME POINTS, DEPENDING ON IF IT'S NIGHT OR DAY OR AFTERNOON MORNING. I'M TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS WHAT IS THE ISSUE, IS THE ISSUE THAT COMING AND GOING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT IS THE ISSUE. THE LENGTH OF TIME THEY STAY IN THE TRAILER IS THE ISSUE. THE I THINK IT'S A SAFETY WATER SEWER, THINGS LIKE THAT. I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. I WOULD SAY IT'S A PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERN BECAUSE I THINK KAYLEEN HIT IT RIGHT ON THE NOSE. THE BLACK AND GRAY TANKS. YEAH. WITH THE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, OUR IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE IN THE TRAVEL TRAILER AND THEY GO

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IS THERE FOUR OF YOU THAT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S FINE. SO CHAIR REAL QUICK. YES. IS THE COUNCIL OKAY WITH THE LANGUAGE CHANGES IN PARAGRAPH THREE LINES. LINE 28 BASICALLY ABOUT THE CHANGING FROM CALENDAR YEAR TO A 365 DAY. OH YEAH, I FORGOT TO BRING THAT UP. BUT YES. CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN, PLEASE? I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT REALLY GETS INTO THE HOLIDAYS, THOUGH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO STAY FROM DECEMBER 15TH TO JANUARY. SPEAKING OF GAMING THE SYSTEM, THAT IS THE THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING JANUARY 10TH TO JANUARY OR DECEMBER, 10TH OF JANUARY 21ST. THAT'S 21 AND 20. YEP. YEAH. YEP. PEOPLE PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT STILL GOING TO BE THERE FOR THE SUPER BOWL. SO YEAH WE'RE OKAY. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT PART I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH ROLLING. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON. CAN I JUST ONE MORE COMMENT. SURE. ALL THOSE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THAT ARE SITTING IN HERE, THAT HALF DOZEN OR MORE OF YOU SITTING HERE, WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST HEARD. YOU HEARD A CONVERSATION ABOUT TRYING TO ENFORCE THE LAW THAT HAS CLEARLY CONSTITUTIONAL. AS COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON SAID, CLEARLY CONSTITUTIONAL IMPLICATIONS WITH FOURTH

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WE'RE GOING TO STAY THERE FOR THE NEXT MONTH, BUT HE'S ALSO ON SIX AND A HALF ACRES UNTIL WE GO TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. SO SHOULD WE PUT PARAMETERS ON? LIKE, IF IT'S SO MANY ACRES, THEY'RE NOT BEHOLDEN NECESSARILY TO THE 21 DAYS. JUST A THOUGHT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE ACRES TO DO THINGS TO MOVE AROUND. WHAT'S THIS YOU HAD WITH ANOTHER PLACE WHERE THEY HAD LIKE TEN TRAILERS ON THE ACRES, BUT THAT'S TEN TRAILERS. I'M JUST LIKE, THAT'S A NUMBER WITH THE WE WANT TO KEEP IT DOWN TO ONE PER ACRE. OR JUST LIKE IF THEY'RE GOING TO STAY FOR LIKE THE HOLIDAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY BEHOLDEN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NEXT TO NEIGHBORS. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE LIKE FIVE HOLIDAYS IS LESS THAN 21 DAYS. SO YOU'VE GOT 21 DAYS. FIGURE IT OUT. JUST I WAS JUST OUT THERE, BUT THAT'S I'M JUST ANSWERING. WELL, NO, ALL OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR PROBLEMS. SO ALL OF IT COMES FROM NEIGHBOR COMPLAINTS.

AND IF YOU'RE ON 6 OR 10 ACRES, I DOUBT YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN. YEAH. JUST STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF LIKE WITHIN THE CODE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO SKIRT THE SYSTEM. BRINGS UP A VALID CONCERN THOUGH, ON A ON A 8000 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENTIAL LOT WHERE YOU HAVE SETBACKS AND THINGS TO CONCERN WITH, OR ON A THREE ACRE RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS BECAUSE, LIKE THE RURAL PROPERTY, WE'RE GOING TO STAY ON FOR A MONTH. WE'VE GOT, WELL WATER, WE'VE GOT A WE WE HAVE A PLACE TO DUMP LIKE EVERYTHING. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER, EVEN THOUGH IN THE SAME CITY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 8000FT■!S. SO I JT WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING A BLANKET THING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT PROPERTY RIGHTS. FOR THOSE WHO CAN HANDLE HAVING THEIR FAMILY STAY FOR A MONTH OR TWO, TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT OTHER YOU KNOW. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT OTHER PLACES YOU CAN HANDLE FAMILY STAY IN FOR A MONTH. OH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING. WE'RE NOT JUST HAVING ANY RESIDUAL ISSUES OUT THERE.

LOOK INTO THAT OKAY. YEAH, BUT WE CAN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OTHER PLACES ARE DOING WITH THAT KIND OF THING. IT'S A VALID CONCERN, BUT TALKED ABOUT A SPECIFIC INSTANCE. THIS THIS ISSUE IS ON A PROPERTY. WELL IT'S ON WELL OVER AN ACRE. YEP. WOW. BUT YEAH IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO. BUT JUST TO BE THAT WAS THAT'S THE QUESTION. THEN THEY CAN MOVE IT AWAY FROM THERE WAS ALSO I MEAN WE'VE WE'VE GOT OUR PARKING IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES THAT WE JUST ADDRESSED THIS YEAR EARLIER. AND SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE NUMBERS OF MOTORHOMES, TRAILERS THAT PARK ON ON THERE THAT ARE LISTED OUT IN THE, IN THE TABLE IN THE COUNCIL PASSED. SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S NECESSARILY JUST ONE. BUT OBVIOUSLY SPACES IS AN ISSUE.

BUT THERE COULD BE A VARIETY OF VEHICLES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE IT

[c. Discussion on Legislative Priorities]

SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSSION ON LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. UTILITIES. WE'VE LEFT PLENTY OF TIME FOR THIS. AND IF THE SIZE OF ADAM GARDNER'S MUG THERE IS ANY INDICATION WE'RE GOING TO BE USING ALL OF THAT TIME, I'M GOING TO NEED A BATHROOM BREAK.

SEVERAL. ALL RIGHT. I WAS HOPING YOU GUYS COULD STRETCH OUT SOME OF THESE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. SO JUST TALKING ABOUT ME THERE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PROP FOUR ON THAT? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PROP FOUR. KEEP IN MIND AS AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS, IT'S BEFORE THE SESSION. SO A VERY FEW BILLS HAVE COME OUT. NO BILLS REALLY ARE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE IDEAS. BUT JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE IDEAS DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOOD. SO. THIS IS SURPRISING TO ALL OF YOU. AND JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE FROM THE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE BAD. AGREED. THAT'S A GOOD POINT OUT THERE.

YEAH. SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. ALAN DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF PREPPING YOU WITH HIS EMAILS ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS GOING TO BE WATER FEES. THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF FEE BILLS TO COME OUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS LAST YEAR. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS ONE, WE WE TRACKED IT

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PENNY AND CHANGE. PENNY AND CHANGE PER THOUSAND GALLONS FOR WATER TESTING. FOR WATER TESTING, KEEP IN MIND THAT WILL BE COLLECTED BY US AND WE'LL HAVE TO JUST GIVE THAT TO THE STATE. BUT WE ALSO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. WE DO OUR OWN WATER TESTING. I'VE NEVER GOTTEN THE STATE TO TEST SO THE STATE DOESN'T DO OUR TESTING. THE FEDS DON'T DO OUR TESTING.

WE DO OUR TESTING. THEY DO REVIEW OUR TESTING. SO WE'RE PAYING FOR OUR USE. SO THAT'S WHAT IT'LL PROBABLY BE WILL BE THEM TO LOOK AT THE TESTS THAT WE GIVE THEM EVERY MONTH. AND I ASSUME THIS IS JUST GOING TO GO TO A POT FOR THE A COUPLE PEOPLE TO MANAGE THE PROGRAM.

MOST LIKELY IF WE PAY FOR OUR OWN TESTING. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE ARE OTHER WATER ENTITIES OUT THERE THAT AREN'T PAYING FOR THE MOST. YES, A LOT OF IT IS LIKE SMALLER SYSTEMS. SO IF WE'RE PAYING FOR OUR OWN TESTING, WHY ARE WE PAYING TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT? THAT WOULD I MEAN, WE KNOW YOUR YOUR POINTS, TAKE YOUR POINTS. WELL TAKEN. I AGREE WITH YOU. THE IDEA IS THAT IF WE SPREAD THE LOVE ACROSS THE WHOLE STATE, YOU WON'T SADDLE RURAL OR SMALLER SYSTEMS WITH ALL THE COST. AND SO THOSE IN SMALLER SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO BE ASSESSED A FLAT FEE. SO. SO TO FOLLOW UP, IF WE GET HAVE TO PAY THIS PENNY IN CHANGE PER THOUSAND GALLONS FOR WATER TESTING AND WE'RE PAYING IT, THEN CAN WE SAY, FINE, YOU TEST OUR WATER AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR OWN TESTING? I DON'T KNOW, I, I THINK WE GOT A GOOD SYSTEM. TOO MUCH OF A HERE'S WHAT I, HERE'S WHAT I WILL THROW OUT AS, AS AN OPTION AS WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS, WHETHER IT'S POLITICALLY PALATABLE OR NOT, IF WE HAVE TO COLLECT THIS FROM OUR RESIDENTS, THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T SAY WHAT THE FEE IS ON A BILL. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, THAT IT'S NOT US. IT'S NOT OUR ABSOLUTE, OUR CHARGE. I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF OTHER CITIES AROUND US KIND OF ALL DID THE SAME THING. THIS WON'T BE THE ONLY CHARGE. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR RESIDENTS TO SEE THAT IT'S NOT THE COUNCIL STICKING IT TO THEM, IT'S EVERYBODY ELSE. IF WE'RE PAYING A SEPARATE FEE BECAUSE THE STATE IS IMPOSED ON US, THEN I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE VERY CLEAR. LET'S CALL THIS THE TRUTH IN BILLING. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE TRUTH IN TAXATION LAW.

YOU KNOW, TRUTH IN BILLING IS THAT IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC FEE THAT'S BEEN IMPOSED UPON US BY THE LEGISLATURE, WE I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE PUT ON THE BILL TO SAY THIS IS A FEE THAT THE LEGISLATURE STUCK YOU WITH. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T WANT. SURE. YEAH. LIKE THAT THOUSAND PERCENT. YEAH. NOW, ADAM, WHAT HE JUST SAID, WOULD THEY DO THAT? PROBABLY NOT.

WHAT? WHO DO THAT? WHAT THEY EXACTLY WHAT HE JUST SAID. WOULD THEY PUT THAT ON THE BILL? THAT WOULD BE US. THAT WOULD BE US. THAT WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S A POLICY DECISION HERE. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WE PUT IT ON THE BILL, HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TONS OF MONEY, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I DON'T BUT YOU MENTIONED THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER FEES. YEAH I NOT TO

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IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING DO EVERYTHING AT ONCE RIGHT. TWO YEARS AGO THE LEGISLATURE, RURAL NORTHERN UTAH, RURAL LEGISLATORS WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE STATE'S KIND OF LIABILITY WAS, IF FEDERAL MONEY WERE TO GO AWAY AND STOP FIXING A LOT OF A LOT OF WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANY MORE DAMS ANYMORE. WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING A LOT OF THINGS ANYMORE. WE'RE NOT GIVING GRANTS TO REPLACE PIPES. WE'RE NOT. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DONE IN THE PAST THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO.

AND SO THEY STARTED PLANNING A LITTLE WHILE AGO OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT MONEY GOES AWAY. A SURVEY WAS SENT TO EVERY POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF WHAT YOUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ARE IN THE FUTURE. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE BUILDING? THEY CAME BACK THE WE RESPONDED TO THAT EVERY I THINK MUNICIPALITY DID, EVERY COUNTY DID. WE SENT THAT BACK TO THE STATE. AND THERE WERE SOME 3500 PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT. WHAT? I STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN CLARITY ON THIS. I'M TRYING, BUT NOBODY REALLY KNOWS. WE DON'T KNOW IF IF WE'RE RESPONDING AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A REGION FIVE, WHATEVER WATER TANK, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT ANYWAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT. THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR PROJECT.

SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THE STATE IS LOOKING AT THINGS THAT ARE JUST GOING TO BE BUILT OR THINGS THAT WE KNOW NEED TO BE BUILT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR. THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LOT OF FIRST AND SECOND THIRD CLASS CITIES AND RURAL AREAS. SO REPRESENTATIVE SNYDER, HE'S THE MAJORITY LEADER IN IN THE HOUSE. AND SENATOR SCOTT SANDELL, WHO IS THE VICE CHAIR OF APPROPRIATIONS, WILL MOST LIKELY BE THE CHAIR OF

[01:00:03]

HERE'S WHAT IT IS. SO FOR WEST JORDAN, IT'S 57,000. LIKE YOU, MA'AM, I DIDN'T DO THIS. OH, 3% OF THAT'S LIKE $1,500. I THINK IT'S LESS THAN THAT. IT'D BE GREAT IF SOMEONE COULD LOOK THAT UP. YOU DIDN'T COME UP WITH 8 MILLION OFF THE TOP, SO IT'S $57,000. SO IT'S 3% OF THAT 1710 1710. WOW. I WASN'T FAR OFF. WOW. SO SO THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE SAYING THAT HAS TO BE. BUT WE HAVE TO CHARGE THAT. LIKE WE HAVE TO CHARGE THAT AND COLLECT THAT MONEY.

THE STATE IS SAYING THE REASON WE WANT YOU TO CHARGE THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S SHOWING THAT YOU ARE LIKE YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY, IT'S THAT THERE'S SOME. AND I'M LIKE, WELL, IF WE CHARGE THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, THEN WE EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PAY FOR ALL

[01:05:04]

EPA RECOMMENDS THAT MUNICIPALITIES SHOULD BE CHARGING 4%, MEANING 2% OF THE MEDIAN ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME RATE FOR SEWER AND 2% FOR WATER USAGE. THAT'S JUST LUNACY. SO THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO LOWER THAT TO 3%. SO IT'S ONE AND A HALF FOR SEWER, ONE AND A HALF FOR WATER. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING THAT 3% NUMBER. OH, IF WE CHARGE $170 OR $1700 PER WATER CUSTOMER IN OUR CITY, WE WOULD RAISE $51 MILLION. AND SO THAT WAS IT.

THAT WOULD BE WHAT WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY CHARGING FACTORS INTO THAT NOW. SO YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT MUCH MONEY. WELL, I CAN THINK OF A FEW THINGS. WELL, CONSIDER YOUR WATER, YOUR WATER BILL NOW, 7000 GALLONS, PLUS YOUR SEWER AND WATER, PLUS YOUR HOOKUP FEE. WHAT DO YOU CALL THESE? RATE. AND YOUR SEWER IS ALREADY. HALF OF THAT. A THIRD OF THAT ROUGHLY. I MEAN, ON A ON A ON A BAD DAY, TRIPLING WATER AND SEWER RATES IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO RAISE TAXES AND SAY THAT BECAUSE ON A BAD DAY, ON A BAD DAY, WE'RE MY MY UTILITY BILL IS ABOUT A HUNDRED A MONTH. WELL, THIS IS THIS IS THE REALITY OF NOT ONLY FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE. THOUGH. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THEY DO ANYWAY. SO IF WHEN THEY SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO CHARGE THIS 3% A YEAR FICTITIOUS INCOME. THEN THE CITY KEEP THAT MONEY, OR DOES THAT MONEY GO TO THAT MONEY I BELIEVE WOULD BE KEPT BY THE CITY? WE WOULD KEEP THAT MONEY AND THEN MONEY TO PLAY WITH. AND THEN IF WE WANTED.

I'M JUST THIS IS A PERSONAL CONCERN OF MINE, IS WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THIS WITH TRANSPORTATION, BUT IN THE WATER RIGHT NOW, THE WATER SECTOR IS GOING TO SAY PURE, BUT IT'S NOT. BUT IT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE CREATING THIS NEW HUGE POT OF MONEY THAT NOW YOU'RE TELLING EVERYONE, WE WANT YOU TO COME AND GET THIS MONEY. AND IT'S A CONCERN FOR ME THAT ALL LIKE ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THEY'RE DOING IS SAYING YOU HAVE CONDITIONS ON IT OR THAT, WELL, YES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CONDITIONS ON IT. AND THIS IS THE THIS BIG THING.

THIS IS JUST THIS IS JUST TAKING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE ROLE AND MAKING STATE GOVERNMENT BIG GOVERNMENT AND SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO BE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE THE ALL BENEVOLENT OVERSEER INSTEAD OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YEAH. OKAY. I I'M SORRY I HAD TO LEAVE THE ROOM FOR A MINUTE. I SAT IN THE MEETING WITH ZIONS BANK ON THIS. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DID THE STUDY, AND I, I WAS PRETTY VOCAL BECAUSE I SAID, LISTEN, WE'VE BEEN RESPONSIBLE WITH OUR WATER SYSTEM. WE'VE DONE INCREMENTAL SMALL INCREASES FOR OUR WATER RATES.

WE HAVE RESERVES READY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR PLAN. WE HAVE A TEN YEAR PLAN. WE KNOW HOW WE'RE FUNDING THEM. WE DON'T HAVE DEBT THAT'S OUTSTANDING. AND YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME THAT THAT NOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A FEE ON MY RESIDENCE FOR THEIR WATER USE. AND BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN RESPONSIBLE OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, WE WILL NOT BENEFIT FROM THIS POT OF MONEY. WELL, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THERE'S GOING TO BE WINNERS AND THERE'S GOING TO BE LOSERS. AND I SAID, BUT THE LOSERS, GOOD STEWARD FOR NOW. YOU'RE A LOSER. LOSER. EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. I SAID, SO YOU ARE TEACHING IRRESPONSIBLE NET FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AND UTILITIES? PRETTY MUCH. BOTTOM LINE. AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SPONSORING THE BILL ARE FROM SOME OF THESE SMALL CITIES WHO HAVE BEEN NOT RESPONSIBLE AND MAINTAINING THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND NOW THEY'RE AT A CRITICAL PLACE. SO THE LEGISLATION NEEDS TO SAY, HEY, YOU SMALL CITIES WHO NEED TO LEARN, YOU'RE GOING TO PAIR UP WITH A BIGGER CITY WHO'S RESPONSIBLE AND YOU'RE GOING TO TEACH YOUR THEIR WAYS. SO THEN THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE RESPONSIBLE. AND THEN WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT MAKING THE RESIDENTS PAY FOR THE LACK OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT THAT IT WAS A STRUGGLE. BUT THEY DID DEFINITELY SAY, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE JORDAN IS GOING TO BE A LOSER. SO THOSE THAT HAVE NEWER WATER SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO BE LOSERS AS WELL. I AGREE THERE'S THERE'S TWO I THINK THAT ARE GOING ON HERE THAT ARE A PROBLEM. THE FIRST THE FIRST PROBLEM IS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS IS IT CREATES A NEW

[01:10:08]

LIKE THERE ARE THINGS THAT THAT NEED MONEY AND NEED ATTENTION. AND THIS IS A WAY TO DO IT BY SAYING, BY THE WAY, ARE ALREADY BUDGETED, RIGHT? STUDENTS VOTE WELL AND THEY CAN SAY, HEY, CITIES, COUNTIES, THIS IS A GOOD THING. LIKE WE'RE SHOWING. IT'S A HARD THING. WE CALL IT WHAT IT IS. IT'S A TAX INCREASE WITHOUT SAYING IT'S A TAX. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. YEAH. THAT WE IT'S A HIDDEN THAT WE HAVE TO COLLECT THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE TO COLLECT. SO THE CITIES BECOME THE BAD GUYS. WE BECOME THE. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. WE BECOME THE WE BECOME THE TAX COLLECTORS INSTEAD OF THE STATE TAX COMMISSION. BECAUSE AND YOU KNOW, WE WE SEE THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH ADVOCATING TAXING RESPONSIBILITY. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE THE GAS TAX.

WE'LL GET THERE. THE GAS TAX. THE GAS TAX GETS CHANGED BY THE TAX COMMISSION EVERY YEAR. THE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T EVEN DO IT. THEY THEY SAY, WELL, WE DIDN'T RAISE THE TAX. EXACTLY. SURE.

THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE PROTECTING THEIR JOBS. YEAH. LIKE WHAT I KEEP TELLING DEVELOPERS TO DO. DEVELOPERS. I KEEP TELLING DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND PROPOSE LIKE 90 UNITS AN ACRE, HIGH RISE APARTMENTS, BUILDINGS. THAT WAY WHEN YOU GET YOUR TOWNHOMES, EVERYBODY'S HAPPY. YEP. THEY'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING SO OUTRAGEOUSLY STUPID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN WITH SOMETHING THAT'S ONLY HALF AS STUPID, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT WE NEGOTIATE.

IT'S THE FROG IN THE BOILING WATER. YEAH. THIS STILL HAS TO BE CODIFIED. AND LAST TIME I SPOKE TO A COUPLE LEGISLATORS, THEY'RE LIKE, WE ARE PLAYING AROUND WITH EVERY OPTION. BUT I AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE I LET THEM KNOW HOW UNHAPPY CITIES WOULD BE AND HOW POLITICALLY TENABLE THIS UNTENABLE THIS IS. AND SO THEY UNDERSTAND THEY'RE STILL PLAYING AROUND WITH THIS. BUT AND DENISE WAS AWESOME. SHE'S HOW WE HEARD ABOUT THIS. FIRST SHE SENT IT AROUND AND AND THEN WE WENT DIGGING AND GOT THE WATER COMMISSION LETTERS. AND SO A REAL TEAM EFFORT HERE. AND ANYWAY THAT'S THOSE ARE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS. THIS STILL HAS TO BE CODIFIED. THERE'S GOING TO BE A BILL THIS SESSION. WE ARE GOING TO KEEP WATCHING IT. OKAY.

GUYS. BECAUSE I KNOW I KNEW YOU SAID I'M AFRAID I WAS LIKE, THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE UP MONEY BECAUSE OF THE HYBRID AND ELECTRIC CARS AND GAS CARS ARE BETTER OFF. WELL, WHAT? OKAY.

SO OCTOBER 20TH, THE SPEAKER POSTED A VIDEO ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND WAS JUST OUTRAGED ABOUT THE PRICE OF GAS IN UTAH. HE IS SO EFFECTIVE. HE'S COME DOWN LIKE A DOLLAR SINCE THEN. SO WOW.

IT'S WAY MORE THAN SURROUNDING STATES THOUGH. SO HE WAS HE I THINK HE WAS HE WAS RUNNING AN ERRAND OR TAKING HIS DAUGHTER SOMEWHERE TO A RODEO OR SOMETHING, AND WAS GOING THROUGH IDAHO AND WYOMING AND WAS SHOWING THE DIFFERENT PRICES. SO VERY UPSET. WHY IS UTAH MORE THAN SURROUNDING STATES? THIS IS THIS HAS BEEN GOVERNOR HUNTSMAN. THIS WAS HIS LIKE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WHEN HE FIRST GOT INTO OFFICE IN 2005, WAS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE GAS TAX. AND THEY SPENT ALMOST A YEAR STUDYING IT. AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS WE GOT TO LET THE MARKET TAKE ITS COURSE. THERE'S NO STATE ACTION WE CAN TAKE. YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE TAX COMMISSION PLAYING WITH THOSE WITH THE WITH THAT RATE, WHERE THAT CAME FROM. IF YOU REMEMBER, THE STATE TAX USED TO BE 42.5 CENTS PER GALLON. IT WAS ALWAYS 42.5 CENTS. YEARS AGO, THE PRICE OF GAS WENT WAY UP AND WE WERE NOT COLLECTING ANY MORE MONEY. AND SO THE IDEA

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SO IT WAS SET TO A FORMULA. THE PROBLEM IS, AFTER IT WAS PASSED, GAS PRICES CAME DOWN AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY. SO WE'RE WE'RE COLLECTING LESS MONEY. IT'S AT 39.2 CENTS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NOW 39.5 SOMETHING. SO SPEAKER SCHULTZ IS SAYING THE ONLY REALLY THE LEVER THAT WE CAN PULL IS. WE CAN PLAY WITH THE GAS TAX THAT THAT CAN MAKE GAS CHEAPER. AND HE WANTS TO LOWER IT $0.30. SO IF YOU HAVE NINE AND A HALF CENTS, YOUR STATE TAX ARE GOOD. I MEAN A LOT OF THOSE ARE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S B AND C ROAD FUNDING. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF OUR MONEY THAT GOES AWAY TO HE SPOKE TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS AND SAID DON'T WORRY GUYS. WE WILL HOLD YOU HARMLESS. I, I OKAY I WANT YOU TO IT SOUNDS LIKE A VIRGIN TO SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE. I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE SPEAKER, HE'S BEING SERIOUS. HE REALLY WANTS TO HOLD EVERYONE HARMLESS. THAT WAS BEFORE THE BILL WAS WRITTEN. THE BILL IS OUT THERE. IT IS. IT'S A VERY CLOSE HOLD. BUT WHAT IT SEEKS TO DO IS TO RAISE MONEY BY TAXING OIL REFINERIES AND UPSTREAM OIL PRODUCERS, BECAUSE THAT IS THE PRICE OF GAS. THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE TAX TAKES EFFECT. THEY'RE GETTING A DISCOUNT ON TAXES BECAUSE IF THEY EXPORT THE OIL OUTSIDE OF UTAH, THEY'RE GETTING SOME SORT OF DISCOUNT TOO, RIGHT? IF YOU EXPORTS IN ANY STATE ARE NOT TAXED. SO YOU ONLY TAX GAS THAT COMES INTO YOUR STATE. SO 40% OF OUR ACTUALLY 60% OF THE GAS THAT WE USE IN OUR STATE COMES FROM CANADA, IDAHO AND WYOMING AND MONTANA. WE EXPORT IT BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO SELL AND NOT TAXED. SO YOU MAKE MORE MONEY. IT'S ALSO REFINED DIFFERENTLY FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FOR CALIFORNIA PURPOSES AND NEVADA, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS. AND SO WE REFINE IT FOR THEM AND SHIP SHIP IT OUT. SO THEY PAY WHEN IT'S IMPORTED INTO THEIR STATE. BUT WE GET MOST OF OUR GAS FROM THE BASE, MOST OF OUR OIL FROM THE BASIN. AND IT'S THERE'S 35, 35,000 BARRELS A DAY THAT ARE GOING INTO EACH OF THESE REFINERIES. THAT'S EACH OF THE REFINERIES IS TAKING THAT. AND SO SO THE PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW IS TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN AND I THINK, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE A HALF $1 BILLION OR SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE UP. AND THE IDEA WOULD BE THEY WOULD COLLECT, THEY WOULD COLLECT THAT MONEY BY TAXING DOWNSTREAM, MEANING REFINERIES AND UPSTREAM, MEANING THOSE THAT PULL IT OUT OF THE GROUND. SO ALL THE TAXES WOULD GO ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW.

I'M WAITING TO SEE HOW THAT SHAKES OUT. CONSERVATIVES JUST UNDERSTAND THIS. THE PROBLEM IS, IS IT WILL GO. WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS TAKING. ALL RIGHT. NOW ALL THAT TAX WOULD GO STRAIGHT INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN IT DISAPPEARS INTO THE ETHER. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIGHT FOR YOUR BACK ROAD FUNDING IN A DIFFERENT WAY EVERY SINGLE YEAR. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO PULL DIFFERENT LEVELS. THE STATE IS ON OIL AND GAS AND DOWNSTREAM REFINERS TO HAVE DIFFERENT TAXES. NEW TAXES GO STRAIGHT INTO THE HIGHWAY FUND. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT MAKES GAS CHEAPER.

I JUST WANT IT DOESN'T. BUT THE GAS TAX RIGHT NOW IS A DEDICATED FUND, RIGHT? THE GAS TAX GOES TO THE HIGHWAY FUND. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEY WANT THESE GAS TAXES TO GO TO THE GENERAL FUND. THEY DON'T WANT THAT OKAY. THEY THEY DON'T WANT THAT. THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT. SO BUT THEY HAVE TO SWITCH UP HOW THEY BUDGET AND WHERE THAT MONEY GOES. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW. SAME DOLLARS JUST COMING FROM A DIFFERENT PLACE. IT ALL COMES FROM THE SAME WALLET. AND IT'S YOURS AND MINE AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO HAS A CAR THAT TAKES GAS. THE DIFFERENCE? I JUST WANT TO POINT THIS OUT. WHAT HAS YET TO BE ADDRESSED IS WE WANT GAS. ON OCTOBER 20TH, IT WAS WE WANT GAS TO BE 20 TO $0.30 CHEAPER A GALLON. SINCE OCTOBER 20TH, IT HAS COME DOWN $0.87. CONGRATULATIONS. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE THE THE

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BUT WE NEED TO GET I, I THINK THE LEAGUE IS GOING TO GET PRETTY INVOLVED IN THIS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO KEEPING THEIR POWDER DRY TO SEE WHAT THE BILLS ACTUALLY GOING TO SAY, TO SEE IF IT HOLDS CITIES AND COUNTIES HARMLESS, SO THAT THAT COULD BE A BIG DEAL. SO VINDICTIVE ON CITIES LATELY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE IT'S JUST A RIGHT HAND OR LEFT HAND THING IS ALL IT IS. YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME NEEDS THAT NEED TO BE FUNDED BY THAT EXIST BECAUSE OF TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, EXIST BECAUSE OF CARS, THAT EXIST BECAUSE OF MY WORRY IS THAT THE STATE WILL SAY LIKE, OH YEAH, WE'RE FIGURING IT OUT. GOOD LUCK. CITIES, MONEY STILL COMING FROM PEOPLE WHO USE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE EITHER VIA GAS TAX OR REGISTRATION FEES OR WHATEVER. IT'S JUST WHICH ROUTE IT TAKES TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B IF THEY DECIDE THAT IF THEY DECIDE TO PULL US OUT OF THE OUT OF THE B AND C ROAD FUND GAME AND THEY KEEP ALL THE MONEY, THERE'S JUST A NEW GAME. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT ROUTE TO GET TO THE SAME THING. IT'S NOT LIKE THE ROADS ARE GOING TO GO AWAY AND THE POTHOLES ARE GOING TO MAGICALLY BE FILLED, BUT IF THEY DECIDE TO DO IT ON THEIRS AND LEAVE US HIGH AND DRY, THEN WE'VE GOT TO RAISE MONEY TO COVER THAT. WELL, THEN PEOPLE ARE, PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO GET UPSET AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KNOW WHO'S TO BLAME. AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO SNEAK UNDER THE RADAR. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ON THE 10:00 NEWS EVERY NIGHT RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW, THE THE SPEAKER'S NAME IS ON THE BILL.

IT'S HIS BILL. BUT HE IS NOT THE HE'S NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE RUNNING IT. SPEAKERS DON'T RUN BILLS. IT'S GOING TO BE CAL ROBERTS FROM DRAPER. YEAH. JACK. CAO CAO'S INCREDIBLY SMART AND HE NEGOTIATES IN GOOD FAITH. SO I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE'LL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF DEAL COMES OUT OF THIS THING. I THINK HE'S NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH, BUT HE ALSO HAS TO. IT'S THE SPEAKER'S ISSUE. HE ALSO HAS SAID NUMEROUS TIMES, THIS IS MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR THIS SESSION. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S IT'S HIS NUMBER ONE ISSUE. IT PLAYS REALLY WELL POLITICALLY. IF YOU CAN SAY, HEY, WE LOWERED THE GAS TAX. WELL YEAH, IT'S GOING TO IT'S, IT'S IT'S THE POLITICAL GAME GOING INTO THE ELECTIONS NEXT FALL. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE GAS TAX. IT'S NOT GOING TO LOWER GAS PRICES THOUGH. IT'LL LOWER THE GAS TAX THOUGH. YEAH. THE WHOLESALE PRICE. IT'LL LOWER THE GAS TAX AT THE PUMP BUT NOT THE GAS PRICE AT THE PUMP. JUST WHAT'S ON THE LITTLE STICKER THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT ON THERE THAT SAYS GAS TAXES. THAT'S LITTLE CHANGE. WE COULD ELIMINATE THE GAS TAX AT THE PUMP, BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE PAYING THE SAME PRICE BECAUSE WE'RE AT TAX AT SOMEPLACE ELSE ON THE STREET.

PRICE OF GAS IS NOT. YEAH, I THIS ALWAYS BOTHERED ME WHEN I DID LIKE SINCLAIR WHERE I WORKED FOR A LONG TIME. IT'S IT'S THAT IT'S THE PRICE. THE PRICE OF GAS CHANGES SO FAST FOR SO MANY MACROECONOMIC REASONS THAT YOU PLAY WITH THESE LITTLE TINY LEVERS. AND IT'S A GAME. IT'S SPITTING INTO THE OCEAN NOW. AND AND THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU'RE MAKING. I JUST THINK THE FUNNIEST THING IS THAT IT'S LOWERED $0.87 AND WE'RE STILL TALKING. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THE LOWERING GAS. JUST DO AN AD. SAY I WAS MAD ABOUT IT. YOU CHANGED IT. YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'D BE MORE EFFECTIVE. OKAY, HERE'S ANOTHER.

ANOTHER BILL THAT'S COMING UP. IT WAS IT WAS RUN LAST YEAR. IT'S BEING RUN AGAIN THIS YEAR BY REPRESENTATIVE TUSHER. AND IT'S TALKING ABOUT ITS COUNTY FORMATION AMENDMENTS. HAVE YOU GUYS ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS. AND IT'S TALKING ESSENTIALLY ABOUT A SPLIT

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THAT WOULD THAT WOULD TAKE ALL OF THIS AWAY. IT SIGNIFICANTLY LOWERS THE THRESHOLD TO GET IT VOTED ON, OR TO TRIGGER A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT THE COUNTY WOULD THEN HAVE TO PAY FOR. AND WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT IF CITY LEGISLATIVE BODIES ADOPT A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO POTENTIALLY SPLIT FROM WHATEVER COUNTY YOU WANT IN THE FIRST CLASS COUNTY OF THE FIRST CLASS US, THERE'S ONE. THERE'S ONE THAT YOU CAN DO THAT BY PASSING THIS RESOLUTION. AND IF IF CITIES WITH THE POPULATION OF 333,000 PEOPLE ADOPT THIS, THEN IT WILL TRIGGER IT. AND SO THE COUNTY WOULD THEN HAVE TO PAY FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY. AND I WANT TO JUST ADD UP THE POPULATIONS OF THE FOLLOWING CITIES. WEST JORDAN 118,000. SOUTH JORDAN 86,000. HERRIMAN 64,000. RIVERTON 47,000.

BLUFFDALE 19,000. IF YOU ADD THOSE UP, IT EQUALS 334,000 PEOPLE. SO IF THOSE CITIES PASS A RESOLUTION SAYING WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND LOOK AT SPLITTING, SO LET IT BE DONE. AND DRAPERS DRAPER'S CONTIGUOUS WITH THAT. BY THE WAY. DRAPER IS SO DRAPER COULD DO IT. AND DRAPER AND SANDY YOU CAN TAKE OUT WEST JORDAN. SO THE THE IDEA HERE WE'VE THEY'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS THIS THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE NOT NEW.

THEY'VE HAPPENED FOR A LONG TIME. YES. AND THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD ARGUMENTS FOR WHY THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD ARGUMENTS ON THAT SIDE OF WHY YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT. ALL THE INVESTMENT IS IN SALT LAKE CITY. WE'RE WE'RE HAVING TO GET INTO CRAS WITH ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS DOWNTOWN, AND THAT WE AREN'T SEEING THE BENEFIT FROM DOWN SOUTH, LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD REASONS WE'RE UPSET WITH WITH HOW THE COUNTY SPENDS THEIR MONEY, HOW THEY BUDGET, HOW THEY RAISE TAXES, WHATEVER. THOSE ARE ALL VALID REASONS. ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S IF WE SPLIT, WE HAVE TO BUILD A NEW JAIL. WE HAVE TO BE THE D.A.

NOW. WE HAVE TO BE FORM A NEW MENTAL HEALTH. THERE'S AN UPSIDE. THERE'S THERE'S AN UPSIDE TO THE DA'S OFFICE, THOUGH. THERE IS AN UPSET. BUT THIS IS THE POLICY AND POLICY DISCUSSION HERE. SO WE'RE NOT I'M NOT ASKING. AND THE INTENT TODAY IS NOT TO ASK FOR ACTION.

BUT IS THESE IDEAS GET MORE. MORE KIND OF SECURE. AND WE WE SEE THEM POPPING MAY PUSH US TO TAKE A POSITION ON SOME OF THESE BILLS. AND SO JUST PLEASE BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT QUESTIONS WHAT QUESTIONS YOU WOULD HAVE. LIKE WHAT THE WHAT THE PROS AND CONS ARE BEFORE WE GET STARTED DOWN THIS ROAD THERE, THERE'S A, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE LEGISLATURE THAT JUST DOESN'T LIKE THEY DON'T LIKE COUNTY GOVERNMENT, THEY DON'T LIKE CITY GOVERNMENT. THEY JUST WANT THE GOVERNMENT. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL THIS. AND THERE WAS A LOT THERE'S SEPARATE ISSUES FOR WHEN SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE SPLIT IN THE PAST. WE THINK IT'S JUST ABOUT KIDS AND NEW SCHOOLS VERSUS OLD SCHOOLS, AND WE'RE SUBSIDIZING YOU AND YOU'RE SUBSIDIZING US. WHEN THERE'S THIS SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF SOME PEOPLE JUST WANT TO HAVE MORE PLAY IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND YOUR CITIES GET MORE, YOUR CITIES GET TO MAKE MORE OF THOSE DECISIONS. FOR WHERE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS HAPPEN. IF THE IF THE COUNTY IS NOT GOING IN TO CRAS, BUT THE CITY LIKES THEM, IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS TO CONSIDER A SPLIT OR TO NOT

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YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S TRUE. YEAH. TOTALLY TRUE. ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT'S THIS. THIS IS THE HARD PART ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION IS A BUNCH OF THINGS ARE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REC CENTERS RIGHT NOW. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CRAS. AND THE COUNTY, TO BE FAIR, HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD. WE'RE HAVING A GOOD RELATIONSHIP. I'M WORKING ON THESE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW. AND SO IT'S NOTHING. THERE'S NO ISSUE RIGHT NOW THAT'S TRIGGERING IT. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS JUST ADAM SPEAKING, BUT THERE'S NOTHING SUPER EGREGIOUS THAT HAS HAPPENED BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND ANY CITY ON THE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE WEST SIDE. THAT I WOULD TELL YOU, IT'S AS MUCH POLITICS AS IT IS ANYTHING. SO THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP. I WANT I WANT US ALL TO JUST KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO, TO CONSIDER. BECAUSE IF THIS THING PASSES, IT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU. THAT'S SOME RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO WANT IT. AND WE HAVE TO BE READY ON WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR YOU DON'T. SO I LEAVE THAT TO YOU. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? IT'S JUST IT'S A PROCESS ISSUE TO ME. IT COMES DOWN TO THE BOTTOM LINE. SURE. AND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THIS. THAT'S HARD. THAT'S NEBULOUS. WELL YEAH. BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE THE STUDY TO KNOW.

THE BOTTOM LINE REQUIRES THE STUDY, BUT THE STUDY DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY IT'S COST FEASIBLE.

IT JUST SAYS THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST FOR YOU TO, TO RUN YOUR OWN COUNTY. AND WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO. AND ALSO, IT'S INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE TO SPLIT ASSETS. SO IT'S GOING TO SAY HERE'S HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST FOR YOU TO DO IT. HERE'S HOW MUCH YOU YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND TO BUILD NEW BUILDING X, Y, AND Z. HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOUR FLEET AND REC CENTERS AND SENIOR CENTERS AND MERIDIAN LIBRARY. LIKE HOW DO YOU YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO SPLIT UP THE COUNTY LIBRARY, SPLIT THAT UP AND PAY FOR IT. ANYWAY, IT'S ANYWAY, THAT COULD BE THAT COULD BE PRETTY TOUGH. SO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT. IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW. WE CAN WE CAN DIG IN TO TO SOME OF THESE ISSUES. BUT THIS IS JUST FOR WE'RE NOT ADVOCATING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER HERE. WE'RE JUST TOO EARLY. TOO EARLY LET YOU CONSIDER. BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET FURTHER THAN IT DID LAST YEAR. YEP. SO CONSIDER THAT OKAY. NUMBER WATER FEET. THERE'S RIGHT NOW THE LEGISLATURE FEELS THAT THAT PROPERTY TAXES HAVE BEEN PUSHED TO ONTO RESIDENTS ONTO HOUSEHOLDS AT THE WHERE BUSINESSES HAVE NOT HAD TO TO SHOULDER THAT BURDEN. AND SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROPERTY TAX QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED AND IDEAS FLOATING AROUND. THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR AND I HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH A NUMBER OF LEGISLATORS. THIS HAS COME UP AND IN ALL OF THEM. YEAH. AND THERE'S A BIG AMONG THEMSELVES VERY STRONGLY ON THIS ONE. YEAH. AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING. ALLEN SENT THIS OUT IN AN EMAIL ABOUT CHANGING THE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FROM 45% TO 55% OR EVEN 60. THAT WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS SHIFT. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. IF THE EXEMPTION WENT FROM 45% TO 60. AND IT THAT CHANGES THE REVENUE THAT AREN'T THE CITIES,

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YEAH. HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW I DON'T KNOW HOW DO YOU DO THAT. IT'S ANOTHER THE CITIES THOSE CITIES ARE THERE. I WANT IT TO BE CLEAR TO. THERE IS THERE ARE A LOT OF IDEAS OUT THERE ON THE PROPERTY TAX FRONT, AND WE DON'T THIS IS THE ONE THAT SEEMS TO KIND OF BE STICKING. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. AND HAVE YOU HEARD ANY THERE'S GOING TO BE A I'M GOING TO HEAR ABOUT A DRAFT BILL TOMORROW IN THAT SPECIAL MEETING WITH UCL.

THEY'VE GOT A DRAFT BILL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW US AT 830. GREAT. SO I'LL LET YOU KNOW.

BREAKFAST SURPRISE WORKING COMMITTEE. WE'RE NOT GETTING SLEEP TONIGHT. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE CHRISTMAS, RIGHT? I THINK DENISE IS LIKE OUR SECRET WEAPON IN A LOT OF MEETINGS. SEE, I THINK THAT I THINK THAT GET YOU REGISTERED AS A IF, IF, IF WE HAD SOME SAY IN HOW THE PROPERTY TAX RATES SHOULD WORK, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE COMMON SENSE APPROACH WOULD BE TO. AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS AND I'LL PROBABLY GET SHOT FOR SAYING IT, BUT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO HAVE A PROPERTY TAX THAT'S INDEXED SO THAT SO THAT THE PROPERTY TAX CAN HAVE SOME INCREMENTAL INCREASES. BECAUSE WHAT WE SAW, WE SAW A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT WITH WHAT HAPPENED WITH SALT LAKE COUNTY THIS YEAR. THEY HAVEN'T RAISED TAXES FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. AND THEN THEY ANNOUNCED 20%. THEY GO TO 14%. AND NOW WE'VE GOT PEOPLE TRYING TO DO A REFERENDUM ON THE ON THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE BECAUSE, OH, THAT'S TOO HIGH.

AND WE'RE GOING TO END UP WASTING HOW MUCH MONEY ON A REFERENDUM. SO THE WORKING GROUP SAID THAT THEY'VE MET WITH LEGISLATORS. RIGHT. NOT NOT US AS THE ACTUAL COMMITTEE.

BUT THAT'S A NO GO NO MATTER WHAT. LIKE THAT IS JUST A DEAD END. SORRY. IN ANY KIND OF INFLATIONARY INCREASE OR I MEAN, IT IS A DEAD END. THEY ARE THEY WANT TO MAKE IT PAINFUL TO YOU.

SO HERE ARE THE IDEAS THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT EVERY TAX INCREASE WOULD REQUIRE VOTER APPROVAL. WELL THAT'S COSTLY. AND WOULD EVER PASS. YEAH. THAT PASS THAT THEY TAKE AWAY ALL NEW GROWTH AND THAT YOU HAVE TO INCREASE PROPERTY TAXES TO WHATEVER LEVEL YOU FEEL LIKE IS RIGHT. SO THERE WOULD BE NO NEW GROWTH IF YOU ADD TO YOUR CITY. NEW GROWTH IS WHAT. SO THEY'RE EXEMPT FROM PAYING PROPERTY TAX. IF YOU BUILD A NEW HOUSE THAT HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY PROPERTY. NO, IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY DISCOUNT EVERYBODY THAT LIVED IN THE CITY BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING MORE PEOPLE. BUT BUT YOU'RE BECAUSE WE ADD MORE HOUSES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE POLICE AND FIRE AND YEAH. SO SO THE NEW GROWTH SO IMPACT FEES ARE GOING TO BE. SO WE'VE WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND I USED OUR FIRE OUR FIRE STATION.

RIGHT. OUR FUTURE FIRE STATION. LIKE LISTEN I AM I'M GATHERING HOUSES AS I GO. RIGHT. I ADD 100 HOUSES A YEAR. BY THE TIME I GET 1000 HOUSES I NEED A NEW FIRE STATION. I'M COLLECTING THOSE 100 HOUSES AS I GO, AND I'M MOVING THAT MONEY FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT WILL BE FUTURE ONGOING REVENUE INTO ONE TIME REVENUE FOR THE TIME PERIOD UNTIL WE BUILT THAT FIRE STATION. THEN I CLICK THE SWITCH AND I DON'T HAVE TO DO A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE BECAUSE I GATHERED THE NEW GROWTH DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. AND YEAH, THEY'RE THEY'RE LIKE MOST PEOPLE AREN'T DOING THAT. AND AND I'M LIKE, WELL, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE RIGHT. YOU CAN'T PENALIZE US BECAUSE OF A SALT LAKE CITY WHO DOESN'T DO THAT.

WELL. AND SEE, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT YOU LOOK AT SALT LAKE COUNTY AND THE NEW THE NEW GROWTH, THE NEW GROWTH IS WEST JORDAN, SOUTH JORDAN, HERRIMAN, BLUFFDALE. AND YOU INCLUDE DRAPER IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE POINT AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THE REST OF THE CITIES ARE BUILT. SANDY'S BUILD OUT. THAT'S ACTUALLY I, I SAID THE SAME THING IN THE MEETING, BUT THEY WERE SAYING THEIR NEW GROWTH IS COMING FROM VERTICAL GROWTH, NOT HORIZONTAL GROWTH.

SO IT'D BE SALT LAKE CITY RELIES ON VERTICAL NEW GROWTH, MORE HIGH RISES TO ALLOW THEM

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AND THE NEW GROWTH HAS GOT TO BE IMPORTANT TO COVER THE COSTS OF BUILDING THAT THOSE CITIES OUT. IT'S NOT LIKE THAT MONEY. IT'S NOT LIKE THAT GETS MAGIC OVER OVERNIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB IN OUR BUDGET IS BEING VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT OUR ONGOING REVENUES AND EXPENSES ARE AND WHAT OUR ONE TIMES ARE AND WHAT OUR FUTURE PLANS ARE. SO BY BEING THAT TRANSPARENT, WE HAVEN'T BEEN THE TARGET OF IT, BUT WE WILL BE THE CONSEQUENCE AFTER BEING GOOD STEWARDS. ALL GOOD NEWS HERE IT. WELL, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S THE MOST 45 SCARIEST DAYS OF THE YEAR. YEAH I MEAN IT IS. AND AND THE GOVERNOR'S THE THING THAT'S REALLY CONCERNING TO ME IS THE GOVERNOR'S RHETORIC IS STILL AWFUL ON THIS. AND SO THE CITIES MAYORS THAT HE'S CLOSE, THEY'VE ALL TALKED TO HIM ABOUT HIS RHETORIC. AND IT JUST THAT CITIES ARE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCILMAN, A COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND AND HE'S STILL SAYING IT'S CITIES ARE THE PROBLEM. HIS CITY HAS, I THINK 12 OR 13 PEOPLE IN IT. SO THEY'VE NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF THE LIKE DENSITY ISSUES. AND THE GOVERNOR ON THE BUS TOUR. YEAH. SO YEAH, WE ACTUALLY CAN WE ARE WE INVITED HIS HOUSING PERSON LAST YEAR. STEVE. STEVE, STEVE. YEAH. TO COME TO. SO I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THOUGH IN ONE OF OUR IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, A REPRESENTATIVE SAID, ARE YOU DOING THE BUS TOUR AGAIN? AND WE SAID, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE BUS TOUR AGAIN IN JANUARY. AND HE SAID, I HAVE USED THAT IN EVERY ONE OF MY COMMITTEE MEETINGS ABOUT DIFFERENT ABOUT DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN YOUR CITY. AND, AND ONE OF THE PLACES THAT WE WENT, I WON'T MENTION ANY SPECIFICS HERE, BUT ONE OF THE PLACES WE WENT AND TALKED ABOUT, HE SAID I WAS DEALING WITH A RENTAL GROUP THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT THEIR FLAGSHIP RENTAL COMMUNITY, AND HE GOES, ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE ME TO WEST JORDAN? AND HE GOES, THEY TOOK US ALL TO WEST JORDAN AND SHOWED US WHAT YOU SHOWED US. AND THEY HE GOES A LOT OF THE THINGS THEY WERE SAYING WERE NOT TRUE. AND SO WE HE'S LIKE I CALLED HIM OUT ON WHAT THEY WERE DOING, WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. AND AND HE GOES AND I MADE SURE ALL THE LEGISLATORS THAT WERE WITH ME HEARD IT. AND SO WHAT THEY SAID, IT REALLY BOTHERED ME IS THEY CLAIM THAT WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE A RENTAL BEFORE THAT TRANSITION HAPPENED. THEY SAID WE WERE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT WITH THE CITY. OH, AND SO THEY DID NOT KNOW. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S TRUE. SO HE REPEATED, THEY DIDN'T EVEN BUY IT UNTIL AFTER IT WAS ENTITLED.

HE HE REPEATED THAT TO HE SAID, NOPE, THAT'S NOT WHAT. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. AND AND HE MADE OUR CASE FOR US WHEN WE WEREN'T IN THE ROOM. AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT IS A THAT IS A BIG DEAL. THE SPEAKER. WE'VE INVITED THE SPEAKER EVERY TIME TO, TO COME ON THAT TOUR. SO ANYWAY, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN REALLY POSITIVE AND, AND I'VE NEVER WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE TIMES

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NO, I WAS THINKING MAYBE COMBINING IT THOUGH, AND LIKE GET SOUTH JORDAN ON BOARD TOO.

AND WE JUST WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HAVING LIKE WITH DIFFERENT CITIES. AND IT IS REALLY INTERESTING THAT CITIES HAVE EVERY CITY HAS SUCH A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS THAT AS WE'VE TRIED TO PARTNER, WE'VE MADE THE MAYOR HAS MADE A REALLY BIG EFFORT IN HAVING MAYORS FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES COME AND MEET AND SAY, WE ALL WANT TO WORK ON THESE ISSUES, AND YOU HAVE TO NARROW IT SO SMALL BECAUSE WE'RE ALL WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM. OUR CITY, WE HAVE 9000 ENTITLED LOTS AND ONE CITIES BUILT OUT AND THEY HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. SO WE WANT TO DO THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO DO. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND ISSUES OF AGREEMENT THAT WE ALL HAVE, BUT FINDING THOSE IT'S REALLY MORE DIFFICULT, MORE CHALLENGING. WE SHOULD AT LEAST TRY TO GET SOUTH JORDAN. YEAH, SOUTH JORDAN'S BEEN AWESOME TO WORK WITH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SOUTH JORDAN BROUGHT UP IN, IN A MEETING WE WERE WE WERE IN WITH THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES. WE HAD A A UTAH BIG CITIES MEETING. AND IN THAT MEETING, SOUTH JORDAN SAID THE LEGISLATURE COMMISSIONED A STUDY ON DENSITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE BY THE. AND THE GARDNER INSTITUTE DID IT. AND THE GARDNER INSTITUTE WAS INTERVIEWED BY KSL. AND IN IN THAT INTERVIEW THEY SAID KSL SAID, WELL, SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR CITIES? WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE IN THE STATE? SHE SAID, WELL, THAT MEANS THAT CITIES LIKE SOUTH JORDAN ARE GOING TO HAVE TO START PLAYING BALL AND BEING MORE DENSE, AND THEY LIKE PEOPLE WERE LISTENING TO THIS LIKE, WHAT ARE WE NOT LIKE SOUTH JORDAN? IT'S DAYBREAK, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'RE TRYING. AND SO AND THEN THAT LIKE ALSO WHAT THEY MEAN BY SOUTH JORDAN IS THEY MEAN US AND THEY MEAN WEST. THEY MEAN ALL OF US. AND AND SO THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM. AND SO THE WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO COMBAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMBAT THIS REALLY HEAVILY. I WILL SAY, STEVE WALDRIP HAS BEEN SUPER RESPONSIVE TO US. WE'VE HAD HIM ON THE BUS TOURS. WE'VE TAKEN HIM OUT TO LUNCH. WE'VE SHOWN HIM ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING. HE CAME, YOU KNOW, HE'S LISTENED TO US. WE GAVE HIM AN AWARD AT THE AWARD CEREMONY LAST YEAR, SOMETHING THAT HE APPRECIATED AND TALKED ABOUT TO ALL OF HIS STAFF. AND ONE THING I WANT TO JUST KIND OF FINISH HERE SAYING, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TALK FOR AN HOUR AND IT'S GONE PRETTY WELL. SO NICE JOB, ADAM. ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID WAS HE SAID, AFTER I GOT THAT AWARD, WE DO A LOT OF THESE AWARD THINGS WITH LIKE THE SALT LAKE CHAMBER AND ENVISION UTAH. AND HE'S LIKE, AND THEY'RE THESE BIG. WE'RE GIVING THEM TO LIKE THE RICHEST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN THINK OF IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL HELP, THAT HAVE TO BUY FIVE TABLES AND SPONSOR THE EVENT. AND HE GOES, WHEN I WENT TO YOUR EVENT, YOU WERE GIVING AWARDS TO PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, TO THE GUY WHO HAD BEEN ON THE MOSQUITO ABATEMENT DISTRICT THE LONGEST OR WHAT? LIKE, HE'S LIKE, THIS WAS THE COOLEST AWARD SHOW I'VE EVER SEEN. STILL GOES TO ALL THE MEETINGS. IT'S AWESOME. HE STILL SHOWS UP TO EVERY MEETING. SO HE KIND OF GOT HIS STAFF AND PEOPLE AT THE AT THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF PLANNING AND BUDGET AND TALKED TO EVERYONE ABOUT LIKE, HOW COOL WEST JORDAN IS THAT THIS IS LIKE THE TYPE OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE HONORING, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS REALLY COOL. AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR THAT.

I'VE BEEN VERY LONG WINDED. THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT I SEE THAT ARE THE BIGGEST COMING UP FOR THE SESSION. LAST YEAR, WE TRACKED 290 BILLS FOR WEST JORDAN CITY, AND MOST OF THAT DOESN'T COUNT MOST POLICE AND FIRE. YEAH. SO WE'RE WE'RE ANTICIPATING WORSE YEAR THIS YEAR. SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO HAVE A JOB. THANK YOU FOR DOING THE JOB. WE'RE COUNTING ON YOU TO MAKE SURE NONE OF THAT BAD STUFF HAPPENS. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? NOW THAT HE'S STUCK HERE? MY HEART RATE'S TOO HIGH, AND IT'S HARDLY TAKING A SIP OF HIS TREMENDOUS WATER JUG, EITHER. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THEN, I GUESS IF THERE'S NOTHING THERE, ADAM, YOU'RE FREE TO GO AND SPREAD THE GOSPEL OF WEST JORDAN. GOT IT FAR AND WIDE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS. WELL, THEN, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING, AND WE WILL GET READY FOR THE FUN. 7:00 SHOWDOWN.

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