Jan 13, 2026 Committee of the Whole

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ARE YOU ARE YOU GUYS ALL READY? COME IN, COME IN. WELCOME, EVERYONE. WE ARE NOW READY FOR

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THANKS. SO HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE. HAPPY TO HAVE VARIOUS MEMBERS OF OUR STAFF HERE AND PEOPLE WHO EITHER WANT TO BE HERE OR NEED CLASS CREDIT TO BE HERE. SO WE'RE EXCITED FOR YOU EITHER WAY AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. FOR THOSE ATTENDING FOR THE FIRST TIME, THIS IS FOR US TO KIND OF TALK OUT A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE VOTING ON LATER. WHEN YOU GO TO A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, SOMETIMES YOU SEE US QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE VOTE. WE DO THAT, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE DO HERE, WHICH IS MORE DISCUSSION AND WE GET AN IDEA OF WHAT'S NEEDED SO THAT WE CAN STREAMLINE THINGS LATER. SO WITH THAT, WE'RE

[a. Discussion of Proposed Perry West Townhome Sub-Area Development Plan and Amendment to The Highlands Master Development Plan.]

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AND I JUST WORRY THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE BALANCED HOUSING ANYMORE. IT'S JUST WE'RE GETTING THIS. AND WHEN I READ IT, IT SAID IT WAS 7.3 UNITS PER ACRE. TO ME THAT'S REALLY DENSE AND THAT'S DENSER THAN ANYTHING WE'VE APPROVED. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. THIS IS A TRIPLE FAMILY HOMES OR JUST TOWNHOMES. SO ATTACHED IS IT JUST LIKE I'LL GO TO THE TWO HOMES PER TOWNHOME SLASH TWIN HOMES PER BUILDING FOR QUADRUPLE HOMES FOR FOR FOR PER BUILDING. OKAY, I SEE A SIMILAR CONCEPT IS WHAT'S DOWN BY HOME DEPOT HERE OFF 90TH AND 13TH. NOW I, I'M WITH YOU ON YOUR CONCERN. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW IN THIS AREA THERE'S R1 NINES, THERE'S R1 EIGHTS, THERE'S I MEAN, THIS WHOLE AREA HAS GOT A LOT OF LARGE LOTS ALREADY. AND SO TO ADD THESE IN, I MEAN, IF WE DID PUT R1 NINE IN THERE, YOU'D BE EIGHT HOMES MAYBE, MAYBE TEN ACRES. WE'RE TALKING TO HOMES 5.2. SO WHEN YOU GET 24 THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I FEEL DIFFERENTLY IS I DON'T THINK THIS IS LIKE AN INFILL WHERE IT'S LIKE A HOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, LET'S PLUG IT IN. THIS IS KIND OF LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF WEIRD THAT THAT LITTLE SECTION WASN'T INCLUDED IN, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP. THAT SEEMS LIKE AN AFTERTHOUGHT. YEAH. EVER SINCE THIS PIECE WAS EVER SINCE THE HIGHLANDS MASTER PLAN WENT INTO EFFECT 2013, I WANT TO SAY.

THIS PIECE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE WEIRD LITTLE RED HEADED STEPCHILD HANGING OFF THE END, AND IT WAS ONLY INCLUDED BECAUSE THE PETERSONS OWNED IT ALONG WITH THE OTHER BIG CHUNKS.

SO BECAUSE IT WAS ALL UNDER THE SAME OWNER, THEY JUST ASKED FOR THE SAME ZONING TO APPLY TO THEIR TO ALL OF THEIR PROPERTY IN THIS AREA, WHICH WAS HAD THIS LITTLE PUZZLE PIECE HANGING OFF THE END. IT NEVER MADE SENSE TO ME. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THEY SHOULD SELL IT AND JUST LET IT BE INTEGRATED INTO THE REST OF THE THING, BUT APPARENTLY THEY FOUND A WAY TO

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IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. YOU GOT THE POWER CORRIDOR ON THE ONE SIDE AND YOU GOT THE, THE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF IT HAS A BIG OLD SLOPE DOWN TO THOSE OTHER TOWNHOMES THAT ARE DOWN THERE. IT'S LIKE A 20 OR 30 FOOT ALMOST CLIFF. YOU KNOW, IT. CLIFFS OF WEST JORDAN. YEAH.

THE DOVER SIDE VERSION. IN TRUTH, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE CONNECTED WITH THE COPPER RIM MASTER PLAN THAN IT IS THE REST OF THE HIGHLANDS MASTER PLAN. OH, YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE AND IF IT. SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN. BECAUSE IF IT CAME TO US AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN, IT FITS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OWNER. BEHIND IT IS A SLOPE THAT THEN GOES INTO THOSE AMERICAN HOMES FOR RENT. SO I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF THEY'RE. YEAH, THE PLAN IS TO RENT OR TO HOME OWNERSHIP. I DO KNOW THE ONES, RIGHT. THE ONES RIGHT BELOW ARE THE AMERICAN HOMES FOR RENT. YEAH, I KNOW LIKE A DOZEN HOMES. AND THEN DEVELOPER IS HERE. THIS IS IS YOUR APPLICATION. YEAH. THEIR PLAN FOR. SO THEY'RE NOT PLANNING FOR HOME OWNERSHIP. YES. THEY'RE PLANNING FOR HOMEOWNERS. OH, SORRY. YOU'RE THE ONE I DIDN'T SEE. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. YOU SHOULD SIT DOWN. NO. AND IF IT HELPS AT ALL. RIGHT. WE ALSO OWN THE AREA ABOVE THAT. WE DID STICK WITH THE LARGER LOTS. SO FROM A BALANCED PERSPECTIVE WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE A VARIED APPROACH ON THE PRODUCT TYPE THAT'S AVAILABLE. CAN WE GET YOUR NAME PLEASE FOR OUR RECORDS? YES. LINDSAY MEAD WITH PERRY HOMES JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY KNEW WHO YOU WERE. THE THING THAT'S ABOUT THIS, THOUGH, IS THAT IT IS THAT LAST REMAINING PIECE OF THE WSP. AND BEING THAT LAST REMAINING PIECE, ALL THESE CONCERNS WE HAVE ABOUT BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE, ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, IT DOESN'T IT'S THIS PRECEDES ALL OF THAT. THIS PRECEDES THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE. IT PRECEDES CAP AND TRADE. IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN WAY. BEFORE THAT. THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A ZONE CHANGE. THEY ASK FOR A ZONE CHANGE. THEY COULDN'T HAVE THIS. SO BECAUSE WE DON'T IT'S NOT ON THE BOOKS ANYMORE. SO WHAT I'M CHANGING AND CHANGING SOMETHING ELSE. BUT THIS DENSITY IS WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR. BUT THIS IS WHAT IT'S FOR. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A ZONE CHANGE. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S COMING. SO IF I COULD CLARIFY. MARK. MARK INDICATED. SORRY, CHAIR. YOU'RE GOOD. THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY TO THIS, AND ZACH KNOWS IT. WELL, CHAD, YOU PROBABLY KNOW A LOT OF IT AS WELL. THE WEST SIDE PLANNING AREA CAME IN AND IT HAD IN CONCEPT, THE OVERALL 450. HOW MANY ACRES? OVER 400 ACRES. RIGHT. PART OF THEIR MASTER PLAN. YEAH. AND COUNCILMAN JACOB IS RIGHT. IT GOT APPROVAL OF THIS MASTER PLAN BEFORE THE CITY ADOPTED THE THE CAP AND TRADE. IT RESTRICTED WHERE AND HOW YOU COULD BUILD ATTACHED HOUSING PRODUCT. THAT BEING SAID, THERE, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES HERE. THE BRAEMAR BRAEMAR COURT, THIS THIS 5.2 ACRES NEVER WAS OFFICIALLY ENTITLED OR VESTED FOR THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT. WHEN THE MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED, IT DID. IT DID IN CONCEPT, LOOK AT TOWNHOME OR ATTACHED PRODUCT IN THAT AREA. AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE THE MFR DEVELOPMENT OR THE MFR ZONING AS PART OF A SETTLEMENT WITH PETERSON DEVELOPMENT, PARTS OF THE HIGHLANDS MASTER PLAN WERE GRANDFATHERED IN WITH WITH CERTAIN HOUSING TYPE. THIS ELEMENT, THIS THIS 5.2 ACRES WAS NOT SO THE ZONING WAS THERE, BUT THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN AND THE MASTER PLAN, THE MDA THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE HIGHLANDS MASTER PLAN DID NOT VEST THE 38 UNITS OR WHATEVER YOU SEE HERE.

IT WAS KIND OF A GENERAL PLACEHOLDER TO BE DEALT WITH IN THE FUTURE. TODAY IS THE FUTURE.

WELCOME TO THE WELCOME TO THE FUTURE. THAT'S RIGHT. SO MARK'S RIGHT. THE OVERALL QUESTION FROM THE COUNCIL IS DO TOWNHOMES WORK HERE. WE CAN WORK ON THE BACK END TO FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS OF HOW TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY TO TO GET ENTITLEMENT. BUT THE OVERARCHING QUESTION WE WANT THE COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN ON IS, DO YOU LIKE TOWNHOMES HERE? THAT'S IT. WE CAN WE CAN WORK OUT THE DETAILS AND WE CAN GET YOU ALL OF THE THE DETAILED MDA.

YEAH, THE MDA DETAILS LATER. AND I THINK, MARK, YOU INCLUDED A LOT OF THAT IN YOUR REPORT ANYWAY. BUT THE OVERARCHING QUESTION THAT PERRY HOMES STAFF WE NEED TO KNOW TODAY IS DO YOU SUPPORT TOWNHOMES? SO HERE'S A HERE'S A FUNNY QUESTION THAT I'LL ASK. AND I DON'T KNOW IF

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IF WE REALLY WANTED TO ADD A LOT OF PARKING, WE WOULD JUST NEED TO WORK THROUGH THAT AND POINT OUT TO WE COULD ADD SOME OFF STREET PARKING ON THAT PRIVATE DRIVE AS WELL. YEAH, THAT WAS GOING TO BE I WAS ACTUALLY LIKE, THIS IS A KIND OF OUR FIRST CONCEPT. SO I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO GET THESE OFF OF THE PRIVATE DRIVE. BUT YEAH, AGAIN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD CREATE A PARKING LOT. THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS WE CAN DO TO ADD PARKING. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING BECAUSE IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE ONE WAY THAT WOULD BE REALLY EASY TO GET MORE PARKING IS IN THIS SCENARIO. IF WE GOT RID OF PARK STRIP, REALLY HAD A PRIVATE ROAD. AND SO YOU JUST HAD YOUR NORMAL ROADWAY AND SIDEWALKS UP AGAINST THE CURB. WE CAN GET MORE SPACE FOR BACKYARDS. THE ROAD BECOMES PRIVATE, AND THEN THAT GIVES US MORE FLEXIBILITY TO ADD PARKING ALONG THE EDGES. THAT'S KIND OF WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. BUT WHEN YOU'RE PARKING ALONG THE EDGES ISN'T GOING TO BE MUCH EITHER. YOU CAN SEE THE THE PARK ON THIS WENT TO A PRIVATE ROAD AND WE DIDN'T HAVE PARK STRIP. WE COULD ADD PARKING HERE, WE CAN ADD PARKING THERE. AND INSTEAD OF GETTING LIKE THREE PARALLEL SPOTS, YOU'RE GETTING 10 TO 12 OFF STREET SPOTS. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE RUN INTO WHEN WE ALLOW FOR PRIVATE ROADS IS A SOMETIMES THEY'RE BUILT NOT THE WAY WE'D LIKE THEM, BUT B THEN DOWN THE ROAD. THE COMMUNITIES LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP PAYING FOR THIS ROAD. WE WANT THE CITY TO TAKE IT OVER. BUT IT'S INTERESTING. SO IS THERE ANY WAY IN THE CODE WHERE IT COULD, IN PARTICULAR, IF WE'RE WORKING WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IF THERE COULD BE SOME SORT OF VARIANCE FROM THAT, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO PUT OFF STREET PARKING ON A PUBLIC ROAD. I'D RATHER WORK ON THAT. YEAH, A LITTLE BITS OF GREEN STUFF THERE. YEAH. BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU'RE REALLY PART OF THE HIGHLANDS, THE HIGHLANDS HAVE PARKS, THEY HAVE PLACES. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG YOUR LITTLE GREEN COMMON GREEN NUMBER TWO IS, BUT. YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE IT'S ONE THING TO MAKE A BIGGER AREA. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST CONCEPT. IS THAT THERE. BECAUSE WE REQUIRE THOSE THAT YES YES. YEAH. YEAH. SO THE DENSITY IN ORDER TO GET TO THE DENSITY THERE NEEDS TO BE INCREASE THEIR DENSITY. AND THEN THEY COULD WHEN WE MET WITH EVERYONE IT WAS WE HAD A BIGGER HOME, A RAMBLER TOWNHOME PRODUCT, WHICH HAS ITS ADVANTAGES. BUT WE'VE GONE TO A TWO STORY AND THEN MADE OTHER ADJUSTMENTS. AND WE BROUGHT THE DENSITY FOR THOSE WHO WE DID MEET WITH. WE'VE TAKEN OUT A COUPLE UNITS. AND THEN I THINK WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT DOING IS MOVING THIS OVER HERE AND SHIFTING IT OVER. SO WE GET ONE BIG, ONE BIG PIECE THAT'S ALSO NEXT TO KIND OF A NATURAL I KNOW IT'S A POWER CORRIDOR, BUT, YOU KNOW, STILL AN OPEN AREA.

WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT SOME THINGS TO DO. BUT FROM THAT FIRST PLAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF THIS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE KIND OF THIS ENTRY. AND SO I KNOW IT'S IT'S STILL CAN GET MASSAGED. BUT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT, WE WERE HOPING THAT WE WERE ADDRESSING WAS THE LONGER DRIVEWAYS TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL PARKING AREAS. SO I THINK IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN AND THAT HELPS FOR THOSE THAT LIVE THERE, BUT THEN THEY HAVE GUESTS THAT COME AND THAT'S I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS THAT IS IF WE COULD WORK TOGETHER, SINCE THIS IS NOT LIKE A THROUGH STREET ANYWHERE, TO BE ABLE TO ADD OFF STREET PARKING TO A PUBLIC ROAD, I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S A CODE. PART OF ME THINKS FEELS LIKE IT'S A CODE. IT IS A STANDARD. IT'S NOT A PREFERABLE THING. THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE CITY, ACTUALLY. JUST SOUTH OF HERE BY NELSON'S CUSTARD, WHERE YOU HAVE A PUBLIC ROAD AND AND AN OFF STREET PARKING. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH NELSON'S IN THAT AREA, THAT'S A PUBLIC ROAD AND THERE IS PARKING RIGHT OFF THAT PUBLIC ROAD. SO IT'S NOT WITHOUT PRECEDENT. AND I THINK.

YEAH. SO I THINK EVEN FOR US THAT WOULD BE IDEAL BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE ROAD PUBLIC. IN THIS SCENARIO THERE'S OTHERS WHERE IT DOESN'T WORK AS WELL. BUT I THINK IN THIS SCENARIO, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO KEEP IT PUBLIC WITH WHAT'S IN OUR CITY CODE IN THE WSB AS WELL, ESPECIALLY WITH SIDEWALKS AND PARKS GROUPS. I THINK THIS WORKS A LOT. THIS WORKS BETTER WITH THE REQUIREMENTS, MR. FORSYTH, WHAT DOES THE WATER LOOK LIKE? HOW

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AND I'M HAPPY YOU GUYS VISITED THE SITE. LIKE I SAID, I'M KIND OF A VISUAL PERSON, SO I MIGHT DRIVE OUT THERE AND LOOK AND JUST KIND OF AN IDEA. AND AS MENTIONED, IT'S CLOSE TO CULVER'S. SO YEAH, IT'S A BLESSING. I MAY NIELSEN'S YEAH, WALKOUT TOWNHOMES OUT THE BACK TO HELP DEAL WITH THE GRADE. YEAH. WE RECOGNIZE THE GREAT ISSUE. AND I RECALL MEETING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT THIS. SO IT LOOKED QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT. VERY DIFFERENT. SO WE TOOK ALL THAT FEEDBACK AND GOT TO THIS PLAN. SO WE HAD UNITS THAT WERE FACING THE OTHER WAY WITH DEAD END ROADS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE OF A RAMBLER TOWNHOME, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T DOESN'T WORK IN ORDER TO GET SIDEWALKS AND TO GET THEM TO FACE THIS DIRECTION. WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE THIS WAY TO DO THE RAMBLERS. AND SO BY GOING TO THE TWO STORY, THAT WAS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WAS SWITCHING THE TOWNHOMES TO FACE NORTH AND SOUTH INSTEAD OF EAST AND WEST ON KIND OF DEAD END ROADS. AND THEN IT ALSO GOT THE ROAD AS THE ROAD WAS CURVING UNDERNEATH. FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT WAS ANOTHER COMMENT. SO WE KIND OF TOOK ALL THOSE COMMENTS BETWEEN LONGER DRIVEWAYS, SIDEWALK AND OPEN SPACE AND THEN THE FACING OF THE UNITS AND KIND OF PUT THAT THIS IS WHAT WAS THE RESULT OF ALL THOSE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD GOTTEN THROUGH THOSE MEETINGS. IS THIS GREATER DENSITY? AND THIS IS APPLICATIONS. WE SHOWED A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLANS. SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO ONE, IT'S MORE DENSITY THAN THE OTHER.

BUT EVEN THOUGH IT'S MORE DENSITY THAN THE OTHER, IT HAS A LOT MORE OPEN SPACE AND GREEN SPACE THAN THE OTHER BECAUSE THE OTHER JUST HAD A RAMBLER TOWNHOME. SO YOU'RE KIND OF CATERING TO A DIFFERENT BUYER. YOU COULD SAY IN THE SENSE OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING.

JUST A SINGLE. YOU WEREN'T EVEN NECESSARILY GETTING A BIGGER SQUARE FOOTAGE IN YOUR TOWNHOME, BUT IT WAS JUST CREATING A RAMBLER FROM A TOWNHOME. BUT IT JUST WITH AFTER WE GOT ALL THE FEEDBACK, IT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE PARKING THOSE THINGS. SO LOOKING AT THIS, I, I'M HEARING THAT WE'VE GOT SOME THAT DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE THE OVERALL.

CHANGE OF THIS, BUT WE DO WANT TO SEE SOME ELEMENTS ADDED TO THIS TO GO WITH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. YOU CAN HAVE THIS. IF WE GET THIS, YOU PUT A PARKING GARAGE ON THE LEFT. NO. THIS RIGHT REQUIRES A LIKE A WHAT'S IT CALLED, A MASTER PLAN. PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT.

PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD ADD LIKE THE OFF STREET PARKING.

LIKE WE WOULD SHOW THE PLAN. BUT THEN IN THAT WE WOULD KIND OF SHOW HERE'S MAYBE THE EXCEPTIONS OR VARIANCES TO ENGINEERING STANDARDS AND WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND CAN INCLUDE EXHIBITS AND THINGS THAT MORE VISUALLY SHOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IN PARKING GARAGES WITH ROOFTOP GARDENS. THAT WOULD GIVE US THE AWESOME PARKING AND OUR GREEN SPACE IN ONE. BUT I DO THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE THE BETTER PARKING OPTIONS. I'M GETTING THE IDEA AGAIN FROM THE CONSENSUS IS WE'RE GOOD WITH KIND OF GOING THERE, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE MORE. CAN I ASK FOR THE CONSUMER WHO. YEAH, THAT'S.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO DO NOW. SO AS I LOOK AT THAT, WHO IS WHO WOULD BE OKAY WITH GOING AS WE'VE SEEN HERE, WHICH IS WHAT WE CAN MAINLY VOTE ON, IS THE QUESTION, ARE WE OKAY WITH LIKE THEY ASKED, ARE WE OKAY? ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT. YES. AS LONG AS THE PARKING ISSUES OKAY. BUT SO THAT'S SO THAT'S NOT OKAY WITH THAT. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. IF THEY EXPAND THE PARKING. THAT'S RIGHT. TOWNHOMES AND THE I'M NOT OKAY WITH THIS IN THIS AREA.

RIGHT I'M OKAY WITH THIS WITH THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO GET TO. WHO'S OKAY WITH WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW? I MEAN OKAY. AND THEN WHO WOULD BE OKAY IF THEY ADDRESS SOME, SOME OFF STREET PARKING. AND THAT'S SO I THINK THAT GIVES YOU THE CONSISTENCY OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. THAT'S GREAT THAT ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD NEED FROM US ON THAT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO WITH THE OPEN SPACE CALCULATIONS THEY'RE PRETTY STRICT IN THE SPA. SO

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[b. Presentation of the Neighborhood Improvement Officer - Year in Review and Projects from 2025]

NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICER DAVID, I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT OFFICER. WELL, YOU'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT EVERYTHING YOU EVER WANTED TO CALLS ABOUT THOSE WHITE TRUCKS. WE APPROVED IT. TELL ME ABOUT THE BLACK HELICOPTER, NOT THE WHITE FISCAL YEAR 25. YEP, I DIDN'T KNOW WE CALLED IT THAT. ALRIGHTY. WE'RE EXCITED. ALL RIGHT, WELL, AS YOU CAN SEE, MY NAME IS DAVID, AND I'M WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT SERVING AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT OFFICER. JUST SOME OF THE ACTIONS THAT WE HAVE DONE AND WORKED THROUGH THIS YEAR. SOME WALL AND PILLAR CAPS. THESE WERE BROUGHT UP AS A AS AN ISSUE. THEY'RE BREAKING. THEY'RE WEARING OUT. THEY'RE ERODING. SO THERE'S BEEN AS OF TODAY THERE'S 79 CASES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE. 71 OF THOSE CASES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED. WE STILL HAVE ONE ACTIVE. AND THEN SEVEN OF THOSE HAVE GONE TO DEFAULT, WHERE WE'VE GONE TO OUR ALJ BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST ESSENTIALLY IGNORED US. WE'VE HAD SOME LARGE SCALE WALL PROJECTS, THE 90TH SOUTH, EXCUSE ME, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS, CAN YOU MAYBE LIKE, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE YOU'VE GONE TO THESE HOMES AND SAID, HEY, THAT WALL IS ACTUALLY YOURS, GET IT FIXED. AND SEVEN OF THEM HAVE SAID, NO, THANK YOU. YES, BUT MAYBE A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION IN CASE. KAITLYN JUST SAW ME GOOGLING WALL AND SO SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ACTUALLY THAT'S SO WE HAVE SOME SOME WALLS IN THE CITY THAT ARE REQUIRED.

WHEN THE SITE PLAN WAS DONE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THOSE ARE DEVELOPER INSTALLED WALLS. ONCE THE PROPERTY IS SOLD, THAT SECTION OF WALL BECOMES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT HOMEOWNER TO MAINTAIN, AND IT IS TO BE MAINTAINED AT THE SAME STANDARD THAT WAS REQUIRED ON THE SITE PLAN OR SOMETHING CLOSE. AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS THINK IT BELONGS TO THE CITY.

YEAH, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PUT IT IN. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHAT WE DID IS, IS AS I WENT AND CREATED THESE CASES, WE SENT OUT A, A LETTER WITH THE WITH THE FAQ ON IT, INFORMING THEM THAT IT WAS THEIR WALL, WHY IT WAS THEIR WALL. IF THEY HAD ANY QUESTIONS, CALL GAVE THEM SORT OF A MONTH UP FRONT TO TAKE ANY ACTION BEFORE WE OPEN AN OFFICIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE.

IF THERE WAS NO ACTION AT THAT POINT, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE WAS OPEN. WE WENT THROUGH

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AND IN SOME CASES THEY HAVE BEEN HIT BY CARS. AND SO PORTIONS OF THE WALL ITSELF WAS DAMAGED AND WHATNOT. SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, JUST FOR CONTEXT, I APPRECIATE THAT. SO WE JUST HAD THIS LAST WEEKEND, WE HAD A KIND OF A BRAINSTORMING SESSION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT CITY PRIORITIES IN THE COUNCIL OVER THE LAST MANY YEARS HAS BROUGHT UP ESTHETICS. AND HOW DOES THE IMAGE OF THE CITY. SPEAK TO PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY DRIVING AROUND THE COMMUNITY? RIGHT. SO DAVID OR OFFICER MAY GO HIS HIS ONE OF HIS MAIN FOCUSES FOR IMPROVING THE ESTHETICS WOULD BE ON OUR MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, THOSE HIGH VISIBILITY CORRIDORS. AND SO A LOT OF THESE CASES THAT HE'S REFERRING TO HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON IMPROVING THE ESTHETICS AND THE IMAGE OF OF THESE MAIN, MAIN MODES OF TRANSPORTATION THROUGH HERE, SO THAT ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS HE'S FOCUSED ON, ON THOSE MAIN CORRIDORS THROUGH THE THROUGH THE CITY.

NOW, DOES ANYTHING HAPPEN IF YOU GO TO DEFAULT? DO THEY HAVE LIKE A TIME FRAME? THEY HAVE TO FIX IT OR THEY JUST THEY CHOOSE NOT TO. THEN THEY CHOOSE NOT TO. YEAH. ONCE IT'S GONE TO DEFAULT, IT'S JUST THE DEFAULT JUDGMENT PLACED AGAINST THE PROPERTY THAT THE CITY CAN ABATE THE PROJECT, BUT THEN IT BECOMES A MATTER OF WHAT BALANCING THE THE COST TO ABATE IT VERSUS THE FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. IS IT WORTH IT? OKAY. SOME OF THE. YES. COULD YOU TALK ABOUT A SPECIFIC LOCATION WHERE I'VE SEEN SOME REPAIRS BEING DONE IS OUT ON 4800 WEST, BETWEEN 90TH SOUTH AND COPPER HILLS PARKWAY. I'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW REPAIRS ON THE WALL BEING DONE THERE.

IS THAT A RESULT OF YOUR EFFORTS, OR IS THAT JUST PEOPLE OUT THERE MAY BE SOME OF THEM OUT THERE. THEY'VE GOT TO JUMP BECAUSE THEY SAW THEIR NEIGHBOR. BUT I, I WENT DOWN OLD BINGHAM IN THAT STRETCH AS WELL AS 48 WEST. AND SO MOST OF THOSE THAT YOU'VE SEEN THE IMPROVEMENTS OF ARE A RESULT OF THIS. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME PICTURES IN IN A LITTLE BIT HERE, SOME OF THOSE BEFORE AND AFTERS. OKAY. SO THESE LARGE SCALE WALL PROJECTS 90 OF SOUTH WALL, THIS IS BASICALLY OLD BINGHAM AND 90TH GOING WEST USED TO BE A PEPTO BISMOL PINK. SO I WORKED WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND WE WORKED TOGETHER TO GET THAT WALL PAINTED TO THE NICE GRAY COLOR THAT IT IS NOW. I THINK I GOTTA TELL YOU PUT AND YOU PUT A GRAFFITI ANTI-GRAFFITI COATING ON THOSE WALLS AS WELL. THAT'S CORRECT. THERE IS AN ANTI-GRAFFITI COATING, WHICH I DON'T THINK IT PREVENTS THE GRAFFITI. IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO CLEAN OFF. YEAH. BE COOL IF THEY SPRAYED IT JUST CAME. THAT WOULD BE COOL. I WAS JUST THINKING, WE JUST BUILD IN LITTLE SPRAYERS ALL ALONG THE SENSES. AND THEN. THEN THE OTHER ONE HERE IS 7000 803,800 WEST. THAT'S RIGHT THERE AS YOU EXIT JORDAN LANDING, THERE'S CARS CONSTANTLY HIT THERE, FENCES, CARS. IT'S BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT'S MOSTLY DAMAGE FROM THE SNOWPLOWS TAKING OUT THAT FENCE. SO THAT'S NOT GOOD THAT THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON WHERE YOU SEE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SITE PLAN RELATED. THAT IS THAT IS ANOTHER AREA OF THIS POSITION, PRIMARILY JUST LOOKING FOR BUSINESS PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN VIOLATION OF CONDITIONAL USE, ZONING OR SITE PLANS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED. SO SOMETHING LIKE THEY'VE LET THEIR LANDSCAPING GO, THEY'RE OPERATING ON A PROPERTY AND HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE WHERE THERE WAS NO THERE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO 45 OF THOSE CASES AND THEN THE NEXT ONE, IT SEEMS THE SAME THING. CBP INSPECTIONS.

WHAT DOES THAT STAND FOR? DO WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THANK YOU. THE CFP STANDS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. CORRECT? YES. YEP. YEAH. MAYOR WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. I'LL ALLOW IT. THANK YOU. ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THIS IS REALLY A BIG DEAL BECAUSE SOME OF THESE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS WERE WENT INTO PLACE

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YOU'RE IN TROUBLE ALREADY. SO SO THIS IS A THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING. ON IF IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE ESTHETICS SO MUCH BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE THAT, BUT IT AFFECTS OUR WATER, OUR DRINKING WATER, AND IT KEEPS THAT BUSINESS IN GOOD STANDING. SO THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. SO SOME OF THE SUCCESSES THAT WE'VE BEEN WE'VE HAD IS OBVIOUSLY DEALING WITH THE WALL CAPS, THE POLAR CAPS, THE DAMAGED WALLS. AND THEN JUST THOSE 79 INDIVIDUAL CASES RELATED TO WALLS. SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THESE ARE SOME OF THE BEFORE AND AFTER THIS WALL DAMAGED. WE MADE CONTACT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. HE WASN'T ALL THAT HAPPY ABOUT IT. BUT HE DID. HE DID ACTUALLY SUPPLY. SO THAT'S YOUR BEFORE AND AFTER THAT. THIS IS OFF OF RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF 48TH AND OLD BINGHAM. THE TOP IS WHAT IT USED TO LOOK LIKE. AND THEN AFTER THE REPAIRS YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH BETTER IT LOOKS. NOW WAIT TILL YOU GET TO MY FAVORITE. PORTION RIGHT THERE. THAT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH. YEAH.

IT WASN'T IT WASN'T ON THE ORIGINAL. WEIRD. SO HE DID. HE DID ALRIGHT. YEAH. HE WAS LITTLE AGAIN. SO THIS WAS A YOU CAN'T TELL. THE COLOR IS NOT TOO GREAT IN THE PICTURE. BUT THAT'S WHAT COLOR IT WAS. IT WAS PINK. NOW IT'S GRAY A NICE GRAY OVERALL LOOKS. LOOKS LIKE THEY TRIED TO MAKE IT LOOK CANYON, BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE ABYSMAL. SO ANOTHER ANOTHER AREA OF FOCUS JUST AS I'VE SEEN THEM. SOME OF THE MARQUEE SIGNS THAT ARE BROKEN AND DAMAGED. SO WE HAD LIKE THIS HERE ON REDWOOD. THE SIGN WAS BROKEN. WE REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY SWITCHED IT OUT AND THIS LOOKS MUCH BETTER. THEY CHANGED BUSINESSES TOO, AND THEY DID CHANGE BUSINESSES. AND THEN THE COMPLIANCE. SO THIS WAS A BIG ONE HERE THAT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER. SHE PROPERTY ON TOP. IT'S THE SAME LOT BUT ON TOP HE'S OPERATING THERE WITH NO BUSINESS LICENSE NO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, NO ANYTHING. HE'S JUST SET UP SHOP.

HE'S GOT HIS EQUIPMENT THERE. HE'S WORKING. WE WE DID THE CASE, AND THEN HE WENT TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND WAS ACTUALLY REALLY ONE OF THE MORE COMPLIANT PEOPLE AND JUST MOVED FORWARD. AND ADAIR'S LANDSCAPING, THAT'S THE THE BUSINESS. SO THAT. YEAH, HE MADE HIM BUILD A BUILDING LANDSCAPING COMPANY. YOU MIGHT WANT TO LANDSCAPE YOUR SHOWROOM THERE. SO BUT HE PUT IN THE SIDEWALK TOO. THEY DID THE SIDEWALK. AND I THINK ALL OF THAT WAS PART OF HIS SITE PLAN. SO HE DID EVERYTHING HE WAS REQUIRED TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE AND HADN'T DONE. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. WE REQUIRED TO GET THIS LICENSE DONE. I THINK HIS FENCE IS GOOD, SO ALL HIS EQUIPMENT AND STUFF WILL BE BEHIND THAT FENCE AND THAT'S UP HIS DRIVEWAY. AND LIKE THE FENCE WAS NOT EMPLOYEE PARKING PLEASANT LOOKING. NO. HOW MUCH MORE CHEERY IT IS. IT'S EVEN HAS A BLUE SKY. YEAH. SKY. OH YEAH. HE WAS REALLY COMPLIANT.

THAT'S ADVERTISING RIGHT THERE. THAT'S GREAT FOR. SO THE THIS IS THE CURRENT PROJECT THAT WE

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THAT'S THE STATE. STATE. UDOT. OH, THAT'S THE STATE. YOU GOT PAPERWORK. SO GOOD LUCK. CAN I BRAG ON DAVID FOR A SEC ON THIS ONE? YES. PROJECT HAS BEEN SO CHALLENGING. IT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST PROBLEMATIC PROPERTIES WE GAVE HIM AND TOLD HIM TO WORK ON IT. AND THE COMBINATION OF PROPERTY OWNERSHIP ISSUES, THE COST OF THE WALL FINDING IT'S NOT A BIG RUN. AND THESE GUYS THAT DO WALLS, THEY WANT TO DO 1000FT AT A TIME. THIS IS NOT THAT.

MEXICO'S NOT YOU SEE THE THE UTILITIES. HE'S HAD TO WORK THROUGH ALL OF THAT. HE'S GOTTEN SUPPORT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ACTUALLY GOING TO SET THE WALL BACK A COUPLE FEET ON THEIR PROPERTY TO CREATE MORE ROOM FOR SNOW LOADING. SO IN ADDITION TO THE ADDITION TO IT BEING A CMU WALL, WHICH WILL HANDLE THE SNOWPLOWS BETTER, THEY'RE GOING TO REASSESS THE PROPERTY BACK A LITTLE BIT. WHAT, HE'S JUST IN FRONT OF THE WALL. THEN THEY'LL EXTEND THAT. IT'LL BE IT'LL BE TWO FEET MORE CONCRETE SIDEWALK OKAY. YEAH.

GOOD QUESTION. RIGHT. IS IT GOING TO LEAVE A STREET? IT'S JUST BEEN IT'S A PROJECT THAT WE FUNDED THIS POSITION. AND DAVE GOT THE JOB. WE THOUGHT, PERFECT. SOLVE IT ONE MONTH.

HERE YOU GO. IT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY CHALLENGING, VERY HARD TO WORK THROUGH AND NAVIGATE THE LABYRINTH OF ISSUES. HE'S STUCK WITH IT. HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB AND YOU'LL START SEEING SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. HOW FAR? HOW FAR BACK WILL THAT WALL BE FROM THE INTERSECTION? LIKE, I'M SURE THERE'S A STANDARD THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IT WILL BE FROM THE INTERSECTION, BUT A THREE FEET BACK FROM WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS IS WHAT THEY AGREED TO. IT'LL SET THREE FEET FURTHER SOUTH, AND IT WILL ONLY, BUT IT WON'T COME. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT. YOU'RE ASKING UP HERE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE SAYING IN THAT CORNER I CAN'T REMEMBER IT'S ENDING, BUT IT'LL COME UP TO THE THE FRONT FACADE OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. ON THE WEST SIDE. OKAY. AND THEN THAT RIGHT WALL THERE AROUND THE CITY'S PAYING FOR THE WALL, THE PROPERTY OWNERS DONATING THE PROPERTY TO US. RECESS IT BACK. YES. AND THEN THAT THAT AREA OF GRASS NEXT TO THE LIGHT POLE WILL ALSO BE CONCRETED. OKAY, OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. GREAT.

FOR THAT ONE BECAUSE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT RENT IT, BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT OWN IT EVERY YEAR. THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT FENCE BEING BLOWN OUT, RIGHT? YEP. YEAH. I THINK IT'S BEEN FIXED BEFORE. I THINK I'VE SEEN YEAH. THEY FIXED IT MULTIPLE TIMES. AND THE LITTLE PICKET FENCE DIDN'T USED TO BE THERE. THERE WAS SOMETHING THIS WOULD BE A CHEAPER THING.

THEY'VE CHANGED IT EVERY YEAR. IT STILL GETS SOME OF THE CHALLENGES. CORBIN WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THE BUDGET CHALLENGES THAT I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE IN A MINUTE OF A DIY PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS IN COMPLIANCE, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEN THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO GET THE APPROVALS TO GO THROUGH THE BID PROCESS TO GET THE WORK OUT THERE, THE AND ACTUALLY DONE, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A LONG PROCESS. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES.

THAT'S THE BEST TIME TO PLANT THAT TREE WAS YESTERDAY OR TODAY. SO AT LEAST WE'RE WORKING ON IT EVEN IF IT TAKES A WHILE. SO HERE'S A DIY CHALLENGE. SO BEFORE HE'S MISSING CAPS AT THE TOP NOW AFTER HE'S HE'S REPLACED HIS CAPS. BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK I GIVE THE GUY TOO HARD OF A TIME BECAUSE HE WORKED. THERE WAS A LOT OF WALL. HE'S ON A CORNER. YEAH HE DID A LOT. BUT BUT YEAH IT'S WE'VE SEEN BETTER. SO HE'S PROBABLY NOT A PROFESSIONAL GROUP BASED. JUST GO OUT AND GET HER. IT'S HIS WALL. IT'S HIS WALL. YEAH. IT'S NOT BAD. I MEAN JORDAN HIGH SCHOOL HAS SOME POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WE'RE THINKING OF OR LOOKING AT MORE ALONG THE LINES WITH THESE MAJOR ARTERIES, THE CMU WALLS.

THIS IS ON 90TH SOUTH, REALLY FROM 40TH WEST GOING TO BANGERTER. YEAH, THAT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF MISMATCHED WOOD FENCES, CHAIN LINK FENCES.

THERE'S EVEN SOME CINDERBLOCK FENCES. AND I THINK I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THESE AND AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THEM. I THINK PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS JUST SORT OF DIRECTION IN. YES, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THIS OR NO, WE WOULDN'T.

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YEAH. THE NORTH SIDE'S GRAY AND HAS A HAS A TURF. YEAH THAT'S NICE. THIS ONE WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN UP I MEAN YOU JUST ALLOCATED I CAN'T REMEMBER A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS RIGHT. 200,000 FOR THE PARK STRIP. WE'VE BEEN DRIVING PAST IT LIKE OH THIS PARK STRIP WILL LOOK BETTER. OH THE WALL IS, YOU KNOW, EVERY 10TH ONE IS FADED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR IT'S BEEN KIND OF A DIY PAINT. AND SO WE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NICE PARK STRIP AND THEN THE WALL WHERE, WHICH IS VERTICAL AND YOUR EYES REALLY NOTICE IT IS GOING TO NEED SOME AND THE WALL WILL SHOW UP. YEAH, YEAH. WE'LL ALSO NEED TO WORK WITH HOMEOWNERS WITH THIS BEING THEIR WALL BEING A NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT WALL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE GET HOMEOWNER PERMISSION TO TO DO THE PAINTING ON THEIR WALLS AS WELL. DO WE DO THAT WHEN THE GRAFFITI SHOWS UP AND WE GO AND REMOVE IT OR WE PAINT OVER IT? DO YOU MIND? IT DEPENDS ON THE WALL GRAFFITI. IF IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WE GET, WE TRY OUR VERY BEST TO GET PERMISSION BEFORE WE DO GRAFFITI. SURE. WELL, WE GET PERMISSION OR WE TELL THEM TO DO IT. DO THAT TOO.

WE TELL THEM TO DO IT. IF YOU DON'T DO A WILL, WE WILL DO IT. IF YOU DON'T DO IF YOU DON'T DO IT, CAN WE DO IT FOR YOU? YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN TROUBLE IF YOU DON'T DO IT. BUT CAN WE DO IT FOR YOU? SEEMS A LITTLE BIT. CAN WE PREFER GOVERNMENT? IF IT'S ON A PRIVATE STREET? CAN WE DO? YEAH. MY NEIGHBOR HAD SOMEONE TAGGED EVENTS ON THE SIDE, BUT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST KIND OF WENT IN AND HELPED HIM. YOU KNOW, THIS THIS LAST ONE HERE IS 6200 SOUTH. THE COUGAR LOBELIA, THIS THIS AREA ALREADY HAS THE CINDER BLOCK WALL, BUT IT'S OLD.

IT'S CRUMBLING, FALLING APART. IT REALLY LOOKS PRETTY BAD. THESE HOMEOWNER IT IS THE SAME.

IT'S A DEVELOPER INSTALLED WALL. IT'D BE THE HOMEOWNER'S WALL. SO PERMISSION WOULD BE REQUIRED.

BUT THIS IS A CASE WHERE I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE HOMEOWNERS ARE GOING TO PAY TO HAVE THAT SAME TYPE OF WALL PUT BACK IN THERE IF IT WERE TO FALL DOWN OR GET HIT. MOST OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS COULDN'T AFFORD THAT. YEAH, THEY COULDN'T AFFORD. WELL, YOU SHOULD MENTION THAT THE COUNTY IS DOING WELL. CORRECT. AND THE ON THE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET, THE COUNTY IS DOING CINDER BLOCK WALLS WHEREVER THERE IS NOT CINDER BLOCK WALLS.

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WE THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE NIMBLE TO WE CAN GET INTO HARDER TO REACH AREAS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOBILIZE BIG CRANES. YOU CAN HIRE SMALLER CREWS TO GO IN. AND SO AS WE DO THIS FIRST PROJECT AT JORDAN LANDING JUST ACROSS FROM JORDAN LANDING, WE REALLY WANT THE COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK, BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS AND IT'S GOING TO BE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING. CODIFY OUR MAKE CHANGES IN OUR STREETSCAPE ORDINANCE, IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, SO THAT DEVELOPERS FROM THIS TIME FORWARD WILL DO A PATTERN THAT THAT THE CITY LIKES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT'S A LOT IT'S A LOT CHEAPER. IT'S A LOT CHEAPER. WELL TIME IS MONEY FOR DEVELOPERS, RIGHT? THEY JUST WANT TO COME IN, PUT THE PUT THE PILLARS IN AND DROP THE PANELS BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. SO I GET WHY THEY WANT TO DO THOSE PRECAST WALLS. BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A UNIFORM IMAGE THROUGH OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY, I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN COMING UP WITH A PALETTE OR A PATTERN AND THEN REPLICATING IT. THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. YES. SO AND LONG TERM, FOR THE HOMEOWNER, LONG TERM, IT'S EASIER TO DEAL WITH THE CMU THAN PRECAST. AND WE HAVE HAD AT LEAST ONE PERSON DIE IN OUR CITY FROM THE PRECAST WALL. HAVING DONE IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO THAT I REMEMBER. WELL, IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO. IT'S STILL RELATIVE, BUT I REMEMBER WHEN RHINO ROCK WAS THE WHEN WE PUT THAT IN, IT'S THEY PREFERRED RIGHT. THAT'S THE PREFERRED WALL TYPE THAT WAS IN. YEAH 15 OR SO OKAY.

SO CMU LESS EXPENSIVE MORE EXPENSIVE. IT TAKES MORE LABOR. SO THERE'S SOME TRADE OFFS. BUT FOR AN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER I CAN GO AND LAY BLOCK. RIGHT. IF I HAVE A CAR GO THROUGH ONE

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YOU CAN'T READ IT. READ IT. JUST LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK OKAY. GREAT QUESTION. VERY INSIGHTFUL POINT. RIGHT DAVID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON

[c. Discussion of West Jordan City Code Title 7 Chapter 3 and 4 Regarding Parking of Trucks]

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AND THEN SO WITH EACH OF THESE I'LL KIND OF GET LIKE A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN FROM IN, SEE WHAT YOU LIKE OR DON'T LIKE WITH EACH. ARE WE TALKING TRUCKS ALONE? SO, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOWED OPTIMUS PRIME WITHOUT HIS TRAILER? YEAH. SO IT'S HIS COMMAND CENTER, I THINK.

EXACTLY. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRUCKS, I MEAN, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SEE TRUCKS PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEY'VE GOT THEIR TRAILER PARKED BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST STAYING FOR THE NIGHT OR SOMETHING. BUT WILL THIS ALSO BE ENFORCING ITS TRUCKS WITHOUT TRAILERS. YEP.

OKAY. YEP. SO THAT'S IN THE DEFINITION SECTION. REALLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE DEFINITIONS AGAIN A LOT OF THESE WILL HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU AS WELL.

THIS IS A GREAT ONE. WE DO NEED TO UPDATE OUR DEFINITIONS I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THE CFRS ARE GOOD, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MATCH STATE GUIDELINES. I THINK THE RED LINE THAT YOU'VE GOT FROM FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN REFERENCES CFR, THERE ARE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE CFR IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OUR STATE DEFINITIONS. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE WERE MORE IN LINE WITH WITH WHAT THE STATE DEFINITIONS ARE. BUT OTHERWISE I DO THINK THAT OUR DEFINITIONS COULD USE A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR. KIND OF LIKE YOU WERE SAYING. COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAILER, THE TRUCK TRUCK AND THE TRAILER? AND THE ANSWER IS YES, ALL OF THE ABOVE.

SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, I DON'T HAVE MY TRAILER, SO I CAN PARK HERE BECAUSE IT'S JUST MY TRUCK, RIGHT? IF I CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE COMPLEX FOR YOU COMMENCING, WE DID TALK ABOUT PARKING IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES NOT TOO LONG AGO. RIGHT. AND AND SO THERE ARE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE SOMEBODY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARK THEIR TRUCK ON THEIR LOT WITHOUT THEIR TRAILER. THE, THE COUNCIL HAS ALLOWED FOR. AND SO. JUST SO WE'RE AWARE, IT'S NOT LIKE A COMPLETE BANISHMENT OF CITY STREETS, MAINLY ON MAINLY ON CITY STREETS. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT IT KIND OF AT THE END.

BUT A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD ARE NOT WITH TRUCKS ON CITY STREETS. IT'S TRUCKS ON PUBLIC OR ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THE REEFER TRUCKS THAT ARE RUNNING AND CREATING THE NOISE.

AND SO BUT WITH THIS ONE, IS EVERYBODY KIND OF A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON UPDATING OUR DEFINITIONS? YEAH. OKAY. AND THE UPDATED DEFINITION WILL MAKE IT CLEAR. LIKE WHAT WHAT WILL THE UPDATE BE. WE'LL UPDATE ALL OF OUR DEFINITIONS, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN LINE WITH. WE'LL JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT. ANYTHING THAT NEEDS UPDATING WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THERE. AND A LOT OF THEM ARE IN THERE. I WILL SAY JUST SOME OF THEM ARE MORE IN LINE WITH CFR, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE UPDATES THAT YOU'RE BRINGING TO THE STATE.

YEAH, THE UPDATES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GREEN. SO CAN I JUST MAKE A QUICK CLARIFICATION? PATRICK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS. THE THE PROPOSED RED LINE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE IS KIND OF A HELPFUL PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE WE'RE HEADING, BUT IT IS NOT THE LANGUAGE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL BEFORE WE DIG IN AND KIND OF PUT THE EFFORT IN. GREAT. GOOD. THANK YOU. JOSH. NEXT ONE IS OUR TRUCK ROUTES. WE DO RECOMMEND THAT WE DELETE THESE TRUCK ROUTES. AND IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY. AND IT JUST WASN'T. SO OUR TRUCK ROUTES ARE ALL LISTED AND SHOWN CITY MAPS AND MASTER PLANS AND THINGS. PREVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING LIKE 20 YEARS AGO. 30 YEARS AGO, I'D SAY TWO DAYS AGO I'D SAY WITHIN THE LAST 3 OR 4 YEARS. YEAH. SO WE WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE CONFUSION, CONTRADICTIONS. WE SHOULD DELETE THESE. WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO. HOLD ON.

HE WANTS TO GET IT. WE GOTTA HAVE THE ANIMATIONS THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON THIS ONE.

I'VE GOT FOUR THUMBS. THANK YOU. LOOK AT PATRICK. HE DOESN'T EVEN FEEL THE NEED TO ASK FOR YOU. AND I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN HERE I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE I KNOW I JUST NEED FOR. OKAY TO DO THIS. YEAH. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T THROW UP TWO THUMBS. WE'VE GOT ENGINE BREAKS. SO WE DO RECOMMEND ENGINE BREAKS BE PROHIBITED. I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF ROBERTSON WANTS TO SPEAK AT ALL TO THE DIFFICULTY OF ENFORCING OUR ENGINE BREAK ISSUE, OR HOW MUCH OF AN ISSUE IT MAY BE FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT'S PERSPECTIVE. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO. THERE ARE A FEW. AGAIN, LIKE JOSH SAID, THERE'S A FEW TYPOS.

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CHIEF, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO? NO. IT'S ENFORCEABLE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. WE WOULD RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS IF WE GET COMPLAINTS THAT NEIGHBORS ARE HEARING. SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD GO AFTER SOMEONE THAT'S CONTINUALLY USING THEM. RIGHT? I MEAN, IF THERE'S SOME TRUCK THAT JUST HAPPENS TO DRIVE THROUGH WEST JORDAN AND ENGINE BREAKS, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA CATCH THAT GUY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'LL BE GONE. WELL, GENERALLY IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. WE JUST GET THE CALL ON THE GUY WHO DROVE THROUGH AND MADE A LOT OF NOISE. AND THEN WE MAYBE PATROL THAT AREA AND CATCH THE NEXT GUY THAT CAME. IT SO SUCKS TO BE YOU. AND YOUR SECOND ONE GUY RUINED IT FOREVER. I'M SORRY. THE GUY BEFORE YOU TWO HOURS AGO, HE CAME THROUGH. BUT. YES, SIR. IDENTIFY A REPEAT OFFENDER. WE WOULD. YEAH. I MEAN, I WOULD THINK IF THERE'S SOMEONE DOING IT, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH OVER THERE, THAT DAMN TRUCK, I GUESS THE LICENSE PLATE. I WOULD ASK THAT ONCE YOU. YOU'VE GOT WHAT YOU NEED FROM US, THAT YOU ALSO WORK WITH. PD CHIEF. YEP. YOU KNOW, RUN IT BY HIM BEFORE YOU BRING IT TO HIM AGAIN. I WILL, I'LL MAKE SURE TO GET WITH PD. YOU DON'T HAVE A HUGE DEMAND ON. OKAY. JUST.

WELL I'LL BE I'LL BE JUDICIOUS. SO THE BRAKES ARE A PROBLEM. BUT BUT REALLY THE CALLS WE GET ARE FOR THE REFRIGERATED TRUCKS THAT ARE. SO ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT I, I KNOW IT'S IT IT IS IT IS AN ISSUE. SO SORRY. ON THE ENGINE BRAKES I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THUMBS UP.

THUMBS DOWN ON THAT ONE. YEAH. YOU GOT MORE THAN I'M COUNTING SEVEN. THERE WE GO. EIGHT WITH DOUBLE THUMBS UP. SO THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF THAT THAT ISSUE THAT WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. SO THERE ARE SOME COMPLEXITIES HERE WHETHER WHETHER WE WANT TO PROHIBIT, YOU KNOW, ALL PARKING ON PUBLIC ROADS OR NOT. I THINK IT'S, IT'S IT'S PRETTY IT'S PRETTY RESTRICTIVE. AND AND I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO PROHIBIT ALL THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN IS JUST YOU CAN'T LIKE YOU CAN'T PARK EVEN IF YOU'RE LOADING OR UNLOADING LIKE YOU CAN'T PARK AT ALL ON, ON A CITY ROAD. RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT SOME EXCEPTIONS. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE ACTIVELY LOADING OR UNLOADING, IT SAYS YOU CAN'T. AND I NEED TO GO UNLESS IT SAYS ON PUBLIC ROADS UNLESS. BUT FOR ME, I DON'T WANT THEM ON RESIDENTIAL ROADS BECAUSE RESIDENTIAL ROADS AREN'T BUILT FOR THEM. BUT YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A ROAD OUT AND BY DANNON AND IT'S BUILT FOR A TRUCK AND THEY'RE PARKED ON A PUBLIC ROAD, THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE TO ME. YOU'RE RIGHT.

SO THE SECTION I WAS THINKING OF IT IS THE LOADING OR UNLOADING. IT'S THE ANY STREET, REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT'S AT. IF IT'S IF IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL AREA, IF IT'S IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, THEN THERE'S, THERE'S NO ALLOWANCE ON THOSE PARKING IN AN INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL AREA. BUT I DON'T WANT THEM IN RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. BECAUSE IF IF THEY OWN A SEMI TRUCK THEY SHOULD HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THE DANG THING. NO, I THINK IT'S MORE THE OVER THE ROAD DRIVERS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO SLEEP FOR THE NIGHT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE PARKING ON THE ROAD. ORDINANCE TO MAKE. WHAT IF WE HAVE A RESIDENT WHO'S A PROFESSIONAL SEMI TRUCK DRIVER? WHERE ARE THEY? YEAH OF COURSE. WHERE ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO PARK? NOT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, RIGHT NOW THEY CAN IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY CAN IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, THOUGH. JUST NOT ON THE ROAD, RIGHT? YEAH. THEY CAN THEY CAN DO IT BEHIND. SUBJECT TO RESTRICTION, SUBJECT TO THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE WITH OUR CHART. SO THEY CAN BUT NOT ON THE ROAD.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PUBLIC ROADWAY. I SAW WHATEVER THE TRACK IS IT THE TRACTOR. IS THAT THE FRONT PART. RIGHT. YEAH I THERE IS A TRACTOR THAT IS GOING OVER A CURB IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TO PARK ON THIS SIDE OF THEIR YARD, AND THAT'S BREAKING THAT CURB. THERE'S NO WAY IT'S NOT. AND THEN MY TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. AND ALL THE REST OF YOURS TO LIVE IN THE CITY. BUT IF YOU CALL, IF YOU CALL THE PD, THEY'LL GET THE NEXT GUY THAT DOES IT. AND THEN MAYBE. WE COULD PROBABLY YOU COULD PROBABLY CATCH UP. YOU'RE THAT FAST, THAT GOOD. THEY'LL COMPARE TIRE MARKS. I'VE SEEN TV. YEAH. FOR ME I DON'T. I DON'T MIND A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKING ON A ROAD IN A COMMERCIAL AREA IF THE ROADS ARE BUILT FOR THAT. WELL, SO MAYBE THIS ONE'S A THUMBS UP. THUMBS DOWN WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THERE'S A DESIRE TO PROHIBIT THEM FROM PARKING ON THE ROADWAY IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES. AND WE COULD SAY THAT. AND RIGHT ON. AND WE CAN JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT PROHIBITED IN THESE OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. OR I WILL DISAGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WHITLOCK. RESPECTFULLY, WHAT? RESPECTFULLY, I FEEL LIKE THE

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THAT WOULD CERTAINLY SOLVE OUR OPENS UP THE ROAD RIGHT, WITH THE REFRIGERATOR TRUCKS THAT NO, IT WOULDN'T, BECAUSE THAT'S IN SOUTH JORDAN. THAT ROAD SOUTH JORDAN OKAY. THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT ROAD IS SOUTH JORDAN. SHE'S AT CISCO. CISCO, YOU'RE THINKING OF OH I'M THINKING OLD HIGHWAY. OH OKAY. AND SOUTH JORDAN DID FOR NO PARKING SIGNS ALONG THE HIGHWAY. SO THIS IS THIS IS A COME HERE A MINUTE IF I MAY CHAIR I'LL ALLOW IT. TO APPEAL. THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

THERE IS NOT A TRUCK STOP NEAR OR IN WEST JORDAN. IF WE HAD A TRUCK STOP IN WEST JORDAN, THAT WOULD HELP SOLVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS. BUT IT'S NOT. SO THESE PEOPLE COME AND MAKE THEIR DELIVERIES AND THEY CAN'T GET IN TO DROP THEIR LOADS OFF OR PICK THEM UP UNTIL THE BUSINESS OPENS THE NEXT MORNING. SO THEY NEED SOMEWHERE TO PARK THAT NIGHT. AND IF THEY PARK NEAR RESIDENCES, WHICH HAS HAPPENED A FEW TIMES BECAUSE I KNOW I GET THE CALLS, THEN THEY'RE NOT HAPPY BECAUSE THEIR THEIR ENGINES ARE RUNNING ALL NIGHT OR THEIR REFRIGERATION IS RUNNING ALL NIGHT, AND THEN IT CREATES A PROBLEM IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS IF WE GET THEM FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCES, I DON'T GET THE CALLS. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM PARKING THERE, BECAUSE IF THE ROADS ARE WIDE ENOUGH, I DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. WE HAVE PUT UP SOME SIGNS NEAR CISCO WHERE IT'S NEAR THE RESIDENCES, BECAUSE WE GOT COMPLAINTS THERE AND GOT IT BACK FAR ENOUGH FOR THE MOST PART. WE GET A LOT LESS CALLS NOW. THE OTHER IS THEY NEED SOMEWHERE TO GO AND AND I, I DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY PUT A BLANKET. NO, THEY CAN'T PARK IN THOSE AREAS JUST BECAUSE. JUST BECAUSE. YES. BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WHITLOCK. RESIDENTIAL IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE TO PARK A TRACTOR TRAILER. NOW THE GUY IS A TRUCK DRIVER AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM LIVE IN WEST JORDAN. THEY WANT TO BRING THEIR THEIR TRUCK PARK OR THEIR TRACTOR PARK, MARKET PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS AND THEY'LL FIT. THERE ARE TALL, BUT THEY'LL FIT BECAUSE THEY'RE WIDTH IS STILL THE SAME. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S MORE OF A CONCERN THAN PARKING ON THE STREET, BECAUSE I THINK THAT BLOCKS THE VIEW FOR PEOPLE TO GET UP AND DOWN IN AND OUT OF THEIR VEHICLES. SO AND THEN I STRONGLY AGREE WITH HER WITH THE TRAILER ON THERE TOO, THAT THEIR PARKING THERE, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE LOADING, THEY'RE PARKING ON THEIR. SHE'S RIGHT. THOSE AREN'T BUILT TO THE SAME STANDARDS THE ARTERIALS ARE.

AND IF THEY'RE SITTING THERE OVERNIGHT, THAT'S GOING TO CREATE SOME PROBLEMS TO THOSE TREES. SO SO TRUCK STOP IN THE PARK I WAS THINKING WE COULD JUST USE LIKE I'M JUST I'M LOOKING AT IT JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. IT USED TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM AT THE AT WHERE THE LUCKY IN THE HOT TUB STORE ARE UP THE STREET HERE. WE USED TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM. SOMETIMES THEY WOULD JUST PARK THERE THAT OVERNIGHT, THEN THEY'D TAKE OFF THE NEXT MORNING. AND I ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN WORKING TO BRING A TRUCK STOP INTO WEST JORDAN. IN FACT, THE PLACE THAT YOU JUST APPROVED FOR A REZONE IS THE SPOT WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT. IT WAS LIKE EIGHT TOWNHOMES ARE GOING, OH NO, THAT'S NOT THAT ONE. BINGHAM HIGHWAY, 90TH SOUTH EAST OF MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR. BUT SINCE YOU WOULDN'T APPROVE THAT INTERSECTION, WHICH WE ARE WORKING REALLY HARD TO DO, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE APPROVED THE HEIGHT INTERSECTION TRUCK STOP IN THERE, BUT THAT DID NOT GET APPROVED. AND SO THAT THAT DISAPPEARED DEVELOPMENT IS STILL LOOKING FOR IT. IN ADDITION TO THE COSTCO AND STEAKHOUSE TO AND THE TRADER JOE'S AND THE TRADER JOE'S, IN ORDER TO PUT ONE OF THOSE IN, BECAUSE THAT WOULD REALLY RELIEVE A LOT OF HEADACHE PROBLEMS. AND IT WOULD HELP OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TOO, BECAUSE WHEN THEY FUEL UP, THEY BUY A LOT OF FUEL. THEY SPEND THE NIGHT, THEY CAN SHOWER, THEY EAT AT A RESTAURANT, AND THEN THEY MAKE THEIR DELIVERY IN THE MORNING AND GO AWAY. SO ANYWAY, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YEAH. THAT'S PERSPECTIVE FROM THE CALLS. I HAVE A SIMILAR THOUGHT. I DON'T THINK PROHIBITING THEM IN EVERY STREET IN THE CITY IS IS RIGHT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF YOU PUT A 100 YARDS FROM RESIDENCES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT KIND OF RESTRICTION, I THINK YOU'RE GOOD. BUT IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARK THEIR TRACTOR IN THERE. OH, RIGHT. NO, I MEAN THE I MEAN THE PARKING WITH THE TRAILER ATTACHED, LEAVING IT RUNNING ALL NIGHT BECAUSE YOU NEED A PLACE TO SLEEP. SO DO WE JUST SAY WHERE IT IS ALLOWED INSTEAD OF WHERE IT ISN'T ALLOWED AND JUST ALLOW IT IN INDUSTRIAL.

[01:20:03]

100 WHATEVER. WHATEVER DEPENDS ON HOW BIG YOUR YARD IS. I SAY 18 SCHOOL BUSSES. WELL, AT LEAST I CAN VISUALIZE THAT I KNOW. SO THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK STAFF HAD ANY RECOMMENDATION ON. WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL AND I'VE GOT SOME. WE'VE GIVEN YOU OUR GUIDANCE. HERE'S MY VOTE. I KNOW AFTER THE DISCUSSION I'M GOING TO FLIP AND SAY I THINK SHE'S RIGHT. WOW. OKAY. SO I'M HEARING I'M HEARING THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME ALLOWANCES FOR PARKING ON PUBLIC STREETS JUST WITH SOME DISTANCE RESTRICTIONS FROM RESIDENCES NEAR ME, MAKING SURE MAKING NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB WAS ALL ABOUT THE PARKING WITH THE ITEM. FIRST ITEM THAT CAME UP AND AND I, I THOUGHT FOR SURE HE'D PIPE IN ON THIS ONE. NOTHING YOU DONE WITH THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, NO FURTHER. HAPPY WITH WHERE WE DON'T PARK THERE ARE THERE FOR THAT WOULD SUPPORT THOSE RESTRICTIONS. YEAH. YOU GET THE RESTRICTIONS RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. TWO THUMBS UP. THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR THIS ITEM. UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I HAVE ONE. YEAH. ON SEVEN FOUR AND SEVEN FOUR IT WAS UNDER THE TRUCK ROUTE SECTION UNDER LOCAL DELIVERY. THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN IN THE PROPOSED. YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT DELETING THE LIST OF THINGS AND GOING TO A TRUCK.

ROUTES DESIGNATED BY THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND MARKED BY SIGNS. THAT SOUNDS ALL GOOD.

AND THEN IT WAS PROHIBITED. AND THIS IS ALREADY IN THE CODE FROM DRIVING ON A TRUCK ROUTE PROHIBITIONS DO NOT APPLY TO TRUCKS DELIVERING MERCHANDISE TO OR FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES OR LOCAL RESIDENCES, OR ESTABLISHED TRUCK TERMINALS. WHY ELSE WOULD A TRUCK BE DRIVING ON A NON-TRUCK ROUTE IN OUR CITY? IF THEY'RE DOING WORK ON 13TH WEST, EXCEPT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO DETOURS WILL MAKE IT ADVANTAGEOUS TO TAKE A ROAD THAT SHOULDN'T BE TRAVELED BY TRUCKS AND SO ON. I JUST, I JUST THINK, OKAY, I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT, JUST THINKING THAT THIS THE EXCEPTIONS COVER PRETTY MUCH ANY REASON THE TRUCKS DRIVING ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME YOU'RE DELIVERING SOMETHING OR GOING TO A CONSTRUCTION SITE OR DRIVING TO A GARAGE OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES GOOGLE MAPS STUFF. YEAH. AND IT'S I, I KNOW, BRIAN, I THINK BRIAN'S IN THE OTHER ROOM. MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT IS, IS THIS THE THE ASPHALT? LISTEN, DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS. ASK BRIAN. THE ASPHALT THAT'S USED IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS IS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE REASON WHY WEAR AND TEAR. SO. SO SOMETIMES YOU'LL GET RC WILLEY THAT WILL BRING THE SEMI TRUCK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DELIVER THE SOFA, THE LA-Z-BOY THAT NORMALLY WOULD NOT BE THERE AND IS ONLY THERE, YOU KNOW, ONCE EVERY FIVE MONTHS, AS OPPOSED TO LIKE A DAILY WEEKLY HALF THAT THEY'RE CARVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THERE'S THE BRIAN. THERE'S NOW WE HEARD HIS NAME. NO, I GET THAT. YEAH, I GET THE REASONING BEHIND IT.

I'M JUST THINKING THAT THE EXCEPTIONS ARE JUST LIKE, WELL, THIS IS ANY REASON THE TRUCK IS EVER DRIVING ANYWHERE IS NOW AN EXCEPTION. THAT'S LIKE, WHEN WOULD A SEMI TRUCK FOR UPS DRIVE FROM SALT LAKE CITY UP TO LAS VEGAS, UP THROUGH WEST JORDAN? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO.

RIGHT, RIGHT. OR OR JUST ANY. I'M JUST THINKING ANY TRUCK ANYWHERE DRIVING THROUGH WEST JORDAN, NOT ON A TRUCK ROUTE THAT WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. IF HE'S OFFER THAT TRUCK ROUTE,

[01:25:01]

RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WITH THAT I AM. YEAH I'LL SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT. I WILL DO IT. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE EVERYTHING, PATRICK. YOU GOT ALL THE THUMBS YOU NEED, I DO.

YEAH. YOU'RE YOU'RE ONLY DONE WITH ME FOR A MINUTE. I'LL. I'LL COME BACK FOR THE LAST ONE.

TAKE A LITTLE PALATE CLEANSING, AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK WITH YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE

[d. Discussion and Selection of Council Members to Serve on External Boards and Subcommittees]

YES. YEAH. AND I'M HAPPY TO BE ON AGAIN IF I CAN JUST GET A BETTER I ALWAYS GET THAT 15 MINUTE WARNING AND I'M LIKE A HALF HOUR AWAY REMINDER. I CAN'T BE IN THE MIDDLE OF WORK.

AND ALSO I THINK BLUE AND GREEN SHOULD DO IT AGAIN. I CAN DO IT. I WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE TO DO IT

[01:30:06]

ANY OTHER CHANGES DESIRING TO BE SPOKEN FOR, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD. AND THEN, HARRIS, HOW OFTEN DOES PUBLIC ART MEET? I MEAN, WELL, ONE IS SPEAK TO THAT PRETTY, PRETTY AD HOC KIND OF AS NEEDED AS PUBLIC ART PROPOSALS COME UP OR AS WE RECEIVE PROPOSALS FROM AN RFP PROCESS, THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE WILL REVIEW THE PROPOSALS AND VOTE ON THEM. I THINK WE WE MET PRETTY INFORMALLY MAYBE THREE TIMES IN THE LAST YEAR AND MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE I'LL JUMP ON THAT ONE. I'D LIKE TO STAY. AND ZACH WAS ON THERE. ONE MORE. ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BLOOM, JACOB AND SHELTON WERE LAST. I LIKE THAT ONE A LOT, BUT I WOULD YOU DO IT THIS YEAR. I SHOULD DO IT THIS YEAR IF YOU WANT IT. YEAH. NO, I'D LIKE TO BE ON THE BADA BING, BADA BOOM. DONE. OKAY. YEAH. THOSE ARE THE INTERNAL COMMITTEES. SO NOW WE EXTERNAL COMMITTEES. THESE ARE OUTSIDE ENTITIES THAT THE COUNCIL HAS A POSITION. LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING REAL QUICK. THE INTERNAL COMMITTEES WARREN HALLMARK IS OUR STAFF LIAISON WITH THE YOUTH COUNCIL. SO IT OPERATES WHETHER YOU'RE THERE OR OPERATING THE YOUTH COUNCIL, YOU'RE THERE IN SUPPORT OF THE YOUTH COUNCIL. SAME WITH THE SELECTION OF PUBLIC ART. I THINK CORBIN WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOUR INPUT, BUT THE ADMINISTRATION KIND OF RUNS IT.

THESE ARE NOT OPTIONAL. THESE ARE COMMITMENTS. EXTERNAL TIME. SO THE UTAH LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS, THAT'S THE ABBREVIATION FOR ULK. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT IS? THE ABBREVIATION IT WAS LAST YEAR. IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB. AND SHELTON IS JACOB THE PRIMARY? JACOB WAS THE PRIMARY, ACTUALLY NOT A PRIMARY AND AN ALTERNATE. WE GET TWO SEATS BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S ON THE BOARD NOW. SO IT'S TWO PRIMARIES, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT. SO I CAN'T DO THAT. I'M JUST WONDERING IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO THAT HASN'T DONE IT. SO THEY MEET THE SECOND MONDAY OF EACH MONTH AT NOON. YEAH, IT'S USUALLY VIA ZOOM. NO, IT'S IN-PERSON. THE SESSION. YEAH, RIGHT. I'M OUT OF SESSION. THERE'S A ZOOM OPTION. YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS A ZOOM EFFECTIVE TO BE THERE. YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS A ZOOM OPTION, BUT IT'S IN PERSON ALL THE TIME. AND THEN DURING THE SESSION SO LATE JANUARY ALL OF FEBRUARY, FIRST WEEK OF MARCH, IT'S WEEKLY SECOND MONDAY AT NOON TO GO OVER LEGISLATION THAT'S HAPPENING. YEAH. EVERY MONDAY WHEN IT'S NOT IN SESSION, WHERE ARE THE MEETINGS? DOWNTOWN.

YEAH, NORTH SALT LAKE, BASICALLY, YOU'VE BEEN INVITED TO THE. SESSION. YEAH. IT'S NOT IN SESSION EXCEPT THAT IT'S IN NORTH SALT LAKE, REMEMBER? YES, I KNOW, I KNOW THE BUILDING.

YEAH. LOCAL GOVERNMENT BUILDING TRUST. YEAH I DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW. WE JUST KNOW HOW TO GET THERE. ANYBODY WHO TRUSTS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DON'T KNOW WHY THEY TALK ABOUT THAT. YEAH.

SO THAT'S WHERE IT USUALLY IS. BUT I WHEN WE'RE NOT IN SESSION I'M USUALLY. SO ARE THERE TWO PEOPLE, TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THESE ARE VOTING. SO WHEN LEGISLATION COMES UP AND THE LEAGUE TAKES A POSITION, YOU'RE ASKING A VOTE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHERE THE CITY IS. AND HONESTLY, NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN VOTES IT'S A RUBBER STAMP. THE COMMITTEE IS PRETTY GOOD ABOUT COMING TO THE RIGHT CONCLUSION. IT'S RARELY CONTROVERSIAL, I WOULD SAY. YEAH, IT WAS UP LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR WAS JACOB AND SHELDON. YEAH, I WOULDN'T MIND. I WOULDN'T MIND DOING IT AGAIN JUST BECAUSE I'M UP THERE ALL THE TIME ANYWAY. SO IT'S VERY CONVENIENT EITHER, BUT I WOULDN'T I'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE AN OPPORTUNITY. I WOULD LOVE IT SO MUCH. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO IT? YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU TOOK IT TO FIND IT OUT AND YOU CAN DO THAT. I'M HAPPY TO ARM WRESTLE, AND YOU CAN MAKE THAT WORK. AND THAT'S THE PRIORITY. AND. OKAY, OKAY. SO JACOB AND HARRIS, SALT LAKE COG THAT IS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT. I DID THAT, BUT I WAS BECAUSE OF MY NEW JOB I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND IT VERY OFTEN. SO IF ANYBODY ELSE IS INTERESTED IT'S IT'S ONLY SIX MONTHS OR FIVE MONTHS. IT'S FOUR. IT'S FOUR MONTHS. ONCE A QUARTER. IT'S NOT A LOT. IT'S JUST IT'S A LUNCH THING AT FOUR TIMES. AND WHAT DO THEY DO? IT'S THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENT. IT'S IT'S A MEETING. IT'S REGIONAL. WELL IT'S REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT. THEY THEY ASSIGN PEOPLE TO A LOT OF COMMITTEES AS WELL. SO THE COG IS ITSELF IS A COMMITTEE. RIGHT.

COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. THEY DO A REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION FUNDING. SO THEY'LL NOMINATE

[01:35:01]

THERE WERE HOMELESS IN THE COUNTY. SO THEY HOMELESS SERVICES. YEAH. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE TOPICS THAT COME UP THAT YOU HAVE AN OFFICIAL VOTE ON. THEY MEET IN THE COUNTY BUILDING, DON'T THEY? YEAH, THE COUNTY BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE MOVING TO MIDVALE.

I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S NOT UNTIL LIKE SUMMER AT THE EARLIEST. OKAY. IF THAT I HAVE SOME INTEREST IN THAT, BUT AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. NOT A MUST HAVE KIND OF THING. IT'S YOURS.

I JUST COULDN'T MAKE IT. SO I DON'T WANT TO. SO THEY'RE ON THE THIRD THURSDAY DURING LUNCH ON THOSE FOUR MONTHS. SO FOUR MEETINGS AND HAVE LUNCH WITH YOU, BROTHER. I'VE DONE THAT.

I'VE DONE THAT ONE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND ON BAD DAYS. COULD YOU CARPOOL, PLEASE? YES, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. NO ONE WANTS IT. I'LL HANG OUT WITH KIM. I DON'T THINK YOU ACTUALLY GET TO. IT'S JUST. OH, OKAY. WE CAN THEN SEE THAT. KIM I'M JUST KIDDING.

OKAY. CHAMBER WEST IS THE CITY'S CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THE REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

THEY HAVE A BOARD OF GOVERNORS AND A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I'LL BE THIS ONE. AND THIS ONE. THE PRIMARY I BELIEVE WE HAVE FOR THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS. AND THEN THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS IS THE ALTERNATE IN THIS, IN THIS WITH THIS COLUMN, YOU'RE EQUAL, BUT BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETS ON THE. OH, I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN. RIGHT. BOARD OF THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS MEETS FOR BREAKFAST ON THE THIRD THURSDAY, 730 TO 9 ON ODD MONTHS. SO JANUARY, MARCH, MAY. OKAY. AND THEN THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETS AT LUNCHTIME ON THE EVEN MONTHS. AND THAT VARIES. USUALLY IT'S LIKE AT THE HOSPITAL OR IT'S AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, EITHER ONE HOSPITAL OR THE OTHER HOSPITAL, EXCEPT DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. AND THEN THEY MEET AT THE CAPITALIST SEVEN. YEAH. AND THAT'S THAT'S LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS THOUGH. YEAH, BUT BUT IT'S PART OF THE BOARD OF GOVERNMENT. PART OF THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS, PART OF THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS. THEY'RE ON THAT COMMITTEE. SO DID YOU SAY YOU'RE INTERESTED OR BECAUSE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

NOT READING QUICK ENOUGH. DO WE HAVE ZACH BECAUSE HE'S AT EVERY MEETING ANYWAY. MIKE, DO YOU WANT TO BE ON. SURE. I'M OKAY. OKAY. JACOB. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ONE IS THE ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPAL COUNCILS. THEY MEET THE SECOND TUESDAY AT NOON. SO THEY MET. THEY MET TODAY. I DON'T KNOW WHO THE CHAIR IS. I WILL FIND OUT WHO'S BEEN IN THAT ONE TYPICALLY. YEAH. THIS WAS KELVIN AND PAMELA. IT WAS KELVIN AND KELVIN AND IT WAS KELVIN. THEY MEET THE SECOND TUESDAY AT NOON. THEY MEET AT THE CITY HALL OF THE CHAIRS. WHOEVER THE CHAIR IS, WHOEVER THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS, AS THE CHAIR, WHATEVER CITY THEY ARE, COUNCIL MEMBER IS WHERE THEY THEY MEET. WHEN I WAS ON IT, IT WAS WHEN THEY MEET ON THEIR OLD CITY HALL, SECOND TUESDAY AT NOON. I MEAN, WHAT TOPIC WAS WHERE ARE THEY? LIKE? THEY TALK ABOUT ALL KINDS OF RANDOM STUFF THAT JUST CITIES HAVE TO DEAL WITH. THEY DON'T MAKE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT THEY THEY DO KIND OF COLLABORATE ON ISSUES.

BASICALLY THEY COLLABORATE. YOU'RE MEETING WITH OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT I DO WITH OTHER COUNCIL OFFICE DIRECTORS. I MEET ABOUT EVERY OTHER MONTH WITH A GROUP OF COUNCIL OFFICE DIRECTORS. DIFFERENT WAYS TO SOLUTIONS AND DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT COME UP AND HOW WE RESOLVE THEM. YEAH. WE'LL FIGURE IT IS A REALLY GOOD NETWORKING OPPORTUNITY HERE. ALL RIGHT. I'LL I'LL BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL BE THE ALTERNATE. ALL RIGHT. NOW COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES THIS IS DEFINING COUNCIL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. RULE 6.6. THE ONES THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE IS BUDGET AND AUDIT. SO WE DO THAT ONE FIRST. THAT IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT. YOU WORK WITH DENISE ON. IT MEETS KIND OF AD HOC, KIND OF LIKE THE SELECTION OF PUBLIC ART. IT'LL BE A COUPLE MEETINGS AS WE RAMP UP FOR THE BUDGET. THERE'LL BE A COUPLE MEETINGS AS WE WRAP UP THE AUDIT. SO THE AUDIT IS COMING UP SOON. ON IT, BUT WE'LL BE PRESENTING TO THE COUNCIL AND WE NEED TO PRESENT THE BUDGET. SO WE NEED TO PRESENT THE AUDIT FOR LAST FISCAL YEAR TO THIS, THIS COMMITTEE. SO THERE'LL BE A MEETING COMING UP AND THERE'LL BE ANOTHER MEETING GETTING READY FOR THE BUDGET. BUT THIS ONE WAS REQUIRED BY LAW. BEEN DONE A WHILE, THOUGH. IT'S BEEN A WHILE. MEETINGS ONLY HAPPEN DURING BUDGET SEASON, BUDGET AND AUDIT. YEAH. BUDGET, BUDGET

[01:40:04]

OKAY, WAIT A MINUTE. DO WE HAVE A THIRD? PUT ME DOWN. YEAH. I ALSO SENT YOU AN EMAIL SEPARATELY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS TONIGHT ON THE SOUTH VALLEY SERVICES FOR A COMMITTEE JUST TO BE INVOLVED AND LEARN MORE ABOUT THEIR BOARD. SO YOU CAN COORDINATE WITH CORBIN AND I ON THAT ONE OR WITH THEIR WITH THEIR DIRECTOR. AND AFTER THESE DAYS, WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF SOUTH VALLEY SERVICES? LINDSAY, GIVE ME A SECOND. THAT'S OKAY I KNOW, I KNOW LINDSAY OKAY. OH YEAH. YEAH OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU'VE GOT THAT SEPARATELY IN AN EMAIL TO YOU.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE. UNLESS THE COUNCIL HAS OTHER COMMITTEES THEY WANT TO CREATE, OR YOU SEND US A COPY OF THAT WHOLE THING. YEAH. WE'LL GET IT TYPED UP TOMORROW AND GET IT OUT TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. SO THEY CONTACT. COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON. SPEAKING OF COMMITTEES, YOU'RE STILL GOOD TO SERVE ON THE CDBG COMMITTEE. OH, SURE.

IT'S A33 YEAR COMMITMENT. AND I THINK YOU WERE APPOINTED LAST YEAR. JUST WANTED TO VERIFY YOU FORGOT ABOUT THAT. THAT ONLY HAPPENS FOR A FEW WEEKS RIGHT IN THE SPRING. BUT YOU'RE HAPPY TO ADD THAT AS A SUBCOMMITTEE SO THAT YOU'LL HAVE THAT ON THERE. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A THREE YEAR TERM. YEAH, YEAH. GOOD STUFF DUDE. SORRY. I'M GOOD. CDBG JUST DOWN ON BACKFILL IT IF WE HAVE TO. I'M GOING TO TELL THE COMMITTEE I SAW SOME REALLY INTERESTING PUBLIC ART IN AMERICAN FORK JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO. REALLY LIKED IT. I NOTICED NEW PUBLIC ART IN THE CITY THAT I NEVER NOTICED BEFORE. OVER BY THE COURTHOUSE, THERE'S A STATUE OF A LITTLE GIRL ON A BENCH. YEAH, I KNOW REAL QUICK AS FAR AS DOESN'T GO.

SO I KNOW ZACH WAS. YOU WERE JUST REAPPOINTED THE WATER. RIGHT? OR YOUR NAME WAS PUT IN.

YEAH. RIGHT. SO I KNOW THAT WHEN WE DID THAT, IT WAS ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER ON THERE. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE HELPING OFF. BUT WAS THE MOSQUITO ABATEMENT WAS THAT DO WE NEED A CITY COUNCIL PERSON ON THERE OR DOES HE JUST KEEP DOING THAT? WELL, IT WASN'T A CITY COUNCIL PERSON BEFORE HIM. YEAH IT WASN'T A CITY COUNCIL CHOSE A CITY COUNCIL PERSON. SO ARE WE JUST ON PURPOSE? YEAH, RIGHT. SO HE WAS ON IT, WHICH WAS FINE. BUT NOW HE'S ON CITY COUNCIL. HOW DOES THAT WORK? THEIR TERM IS FOUR YEARS BY THEIR BYLAWS. AND IT'S REALLY YOUR DISCRETION IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE OR IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW COUNCIL.

I'M NOT GIVING YOU STAYING ON THERE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M SURE WE COULD LIKE KICK HIM OFF AND REAPPOINT SOMEONE I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP DOING IT, I'M NOT. I'M FINE WITH THAT. HIS LEVEL OF EXCITEMENT AND INVOLVEMENT IN THAT. DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH HIM TO SEE IF HE WANTS TO KEEP DOING IT? I'VE ALREADY I'VE ALREADY ASKED HIM AND HE WOULD PREFER TO STAY ON IT IF HE COULD. YEAH, YEAH. YOU'RE NOT WRONG BECAUSE IT IS A IT'S A TAXING AUTHORITY, WHICH IS WHY I LIKE HAVING AN ELECTED PERSON RIGHT THERE. BUT YEAH, IT'S A VERY, VERY SMALL. IT'S THE LAST PERSON. THE LAST PERSON WAS NOT A FORMER COUNCIL

[01:45:02]

HE WAS ON FOR LIKE 20 YEARS FOREVER. AND THE WAY LYLE WAS ON. YEAH, I WAS ON THE WATER THERE. THERE WAS 4000 MOSQUITOES IN HIS, THEIR, THEIR BYLAWS OR NILE VIRUS. THEIR BYLAWS ALLOW THE PERSON TO CONTINUE TO SERVE UNTIL THE COUNCIL MAKES AN APPOINTMENT.

OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO, AT LEAST FOR NOW. SEE HOW HE DOES.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. YOU KNOW. HE'S ON THE CLOCK. SO WHEN THE TERMS OF DOES THAT COME BACK TO US? OKAY, COOL. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED IN OUR COMMITTEES AND BOARDS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALRIGHTY. WELL, AND THEN YOU'LL SEND THAT OUT TO US, RIGHT? YEP.

PERFECT. IT TYPED UP TOMORROW. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE PATRICK IN

[e. Discussion of Business Licensing – Christmas Tree Lots & Arcades]

THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF JUST KIND OF WHAT WE HAD BEEN BRINGING THROUGHOUT THE LAST YEAR. BASED ON SOME OF THE COUNCIL'S EXPRESSED PRIORITIES TO SIMPLIFY BUSINESS LICENSING, MAKE THE CITY MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, TAKE OUT THINGS THAT THAT ARE NOT REALLY NECESSARY OR HELPFUL FOR US. SO THESE ARE THE THREE SECTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS ADDRESSED THUS FAR.

AND WE'VE GOTTEN GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM KNOCKED OUT. HOME OCCUPATION MASSAGE IS ACTUALLY COMING BACK AGAIN IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S FAVORITES. SO YOU NEED TO THROW CONVENIENCE STORES UNDER THAT ONE. WE WE WE COULD WE COULD WE COULD TAKE UP SOME ADDITIONAL ONES. SO TODAY THOUGH WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ARCADES AND CHRISTMAS TREE SALES. THESE ARE TWO AREAS THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW. WE'RE IN OUR BUSINESS LICENSING CODE.

AND SO IT'S FOR GOOD REASON. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT SUPER POPULAR. WE'VE REQUIRED A CHRISTMAS TREE LICENSE IN LARGE PART BASED ON KIND OF THIS IDEA THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE GOING OUT AND RAISING FORESTRY LAND AND SELLING THOSE TREES ON OUR CITY CORNERS. THAT HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE HERE IN THE CITY OF WEST, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW AS WELL.

BROCK. BROCK CAN CAN SPEAK TO THIS. WE'VE WE'VE RECEIVED NO COMPLAINTS. THERE'S BEEN NO ISSUES WITH WITH THE CHRISTMAS TREES BEING BROUGHT IN. USUALLY PEOPLE WILL BUY THEM FROM LOWE'S, HOME DEPOT, SMITH'S, THE NURSERIES THAT ARE IN OUR CITY AND SCHMIDT'S. YEP. AND SO THIS IS ALSO NOT SOMETHING THAT THE STATE OR COUNTY EVEN ADDRESS IN THEIR RESTRICTIONS.

REALLY, THE THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN IS WILD WEST, ONE OF THE ONE OF THE ONLY THE YEAH KIND OF GOES OUT ABOUT ADDRESSING THIS IN OUR CODE. THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'VE GOT IS TO REMOVE THIS REQUIREMENT FROM THE THE BUSINESS LICENSING SPECIAL REGULATIONS. IT WILL STILL ALLOW FOR EACH BUSINESS TO GET A BUSINESS LICENSE IF THEY VIOLATE THE LAWS BY ILLEGALLY HARVESTING TREES. IT'S IT'S A VIOLATION IN AND OF ITSELF THAT MAY FACE REVOCATION OF THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE. IF THERE'S A TEMPORARY CHRISTMAS TREE LOT THAT WANTS TO POP UP ON VACANT LAND WITHIN THE CITY, THEY CAN STILL APPLY FOR AND OBTAIN A TEMPORARY LICENSE THROUGH OUR BUSINESS LICENSING. IT JUST KIND OF REMOVES A HURDLE FOR SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO GO ABOUT DOING THIS AND SIMPLIFIES THINGS FOR THIS PARTICULAR INDUSTRY. SO. SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET RID OF MOST OF WHAT'S IN HERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? BASICALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS DELETE THE WHOLE THING AND GET RID OF THIS ENTIRE CHAPTER OF, OF THE SPECIAL REGULATIONS. THEN YOU WON'T NEED TO FIX YOUR COMMAS AND STUFF. SO THAT'LL WORK EXACTLY THE SAME. THERE WILL BE THERE WILL BE NO NO NEED TO REMOVE MAKE OUR GENDER NEUTRAL LANGUAGE OR THESE OTHER THINGS. THE HOLIDAY TREE. CORRECT. OKAY. YEP, YEP. WE'RE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH THOSE. WE'LL JUST REMOVE ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE ABOUT TO BE IN THE SCHEDULE AND

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I'LL WAIT. UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T EVEN GET A GRAPHIC ON THIS ONE YET. I, I KNOW YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I KNOW WE'LL JUST DO THIS. WE LOOK TO YOU FOR GUIDANCE. THIS IS A DISAPPOINTMENT. I'VE LET YOU DOWN. DO I HAVE FOUR THUMBS, THOUGH? I COUNTED SIX, GOT. I'M JUST NODDING. I'VE GOT I I'M SORRY. ADS AGAINST GETTING RID OF THE CHRISTMAS TREE. ONCE THESE KIDS LOOKING AT PLACES, YOU KNOW, CUT DOWN TREES LIKE CHRISTMAS TREES. JUST BUY FAKE ONES. RIGHT. BUT ONCE YOU'RE GOOD. GOING BACK TO COSTCO THIS YEAR, I TOOK IT FROM YOU. SORRY.

I WAS TRYING TO GET YOUR. I WAS TRYING TO GET YOUR CARDBOARD TREE. THE NEXT ONE THAT WE'VE GOT IS ARCADES. THANK YOU. BY THE WAY, ON THAT ONE, I'LL TAKE THAT DIRECTION AND WE CAN RUN WITH IT. YEAH. OKAY. SORRY. TAKE YOUR HOURS. THE NEXT. THE NEXT CHAPTER THAT WE'VE GOT IS ARCADES. SO THE WAY THAT OUR STRUCTURE WORKS IN THE CITY. OH, LOOK AT THAT. WE DIDN'T GET IT.

IT. SORRY. THERE'S THE. THERE WE GO. WE GOT OUR THUMBS. NEXT ONE IS ARCADES IN THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN. EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A MACHINE IN YOUR BUSINESS, WE CONSIDER IT AN ARCADE. SO IF YOU'VE GOT A CLAW MACHINE, IF YOU'VE GOT A PINBALL MACHINE IN YOUR ENTRYWAY, WE COUNT THAT AS AN ARCADE. AND YOU NEED TO GET A SPECIAL BUSINESS LICENSE FOR YOUR MACHINE. THE MACHINES ARE DIVIDED INTO FIVE CATEGORIES DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF MACHINE YOU HAVE. YOU NEED TO GET A CLASS A, B, C, D, YOU KNOW, ARCADE LICENSE FOR THAT MACHINE. OUR FEES ARE SEPARATED OUT BASED ON THE TYPE OF MACHINE THAT YOU HAVE, AND WE CHARGE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF FEE FOR THE MACHINE THAT YOU MAY HAVE. HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT MORE COMPLICATED? WELL, IT WASN'T ME.

IT WAS YOU I, I WOW, IT WAS WASN'T ME. SOMEBODY ON THE CITY COUNCIL. SO WHAT WHAT THIS ENDS UP WITH, THOUGH, IS THAT WE'RE SEEING THESE POP UP IN GROCERY STORES, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE THE CLAW MACHINES IN AND OUT OF EVERY GROCERY STORE. AND WE, WE'RE SAYING HAVE A CLUE THAT THIS EXISTS IN OUR CODE. WHY WOULDN'T THEY. IT'S. YEAH. SO WE WE GO AND WE SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AN ARCADE LICENSE. JUKEBOXES ARE CLASS D JUKEBOXES. YEAH. SO WE'VE, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS THAT WE'D LIKE TO RECTIFY AND, AND CLEAN UP. I DON'T KNOW IF I PUT THAT I, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S MISPLACED, BUT I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING TO DO? THERE YOU GO. YEAH. SO SO HERE'S HERE'S KIND OF WHAT WE WE HAVE IS WHAT THE FEES LOOK LIKE. BUT AGAIN H MART'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS AS WELL. THEY'VE GOT A TON OF THOSE AT THEIR ENTRYWAY. I'VE BROUGHT KIND OF THREE OPTIONS. AND IF YOU CAN THINK OF OTHERS. BUT WE'VE GOT OPTION A JUST REMOVE ALL ARCADE LICENSING ALTOGETHER LIKE WE JUST DID WITH OUR HOLIDAY TREES. OPTION B SIMPLIFY THE ARCADE LICENSE REQUIREMENTS ONE.

SPECIALTY LICENSE REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY MACHINES YOU HAVE OR THE TYPE, INDIVIDUAL MACHINES WOULD THEN NOT BE LICENSED. REVISE THE FEE STRUCTURE. WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE ARCADE LOCATIONS DO HAVE A HIGHER RATE OF CALLS FOR SERVICE, BE IT LAW ENFORCEMENT CODE OR AN ACTUAL ARCADE. I JUST EVEN EVEN THESE EVEN THESE LITTLE ROMANIA. ROMANIA. BUT ALSO ALSO SOME OF THESE SPOTS. VESTIBULE. WELL THE THE H THE H MART THE H MART HAS INCREASED IN NUMBER AND IT BECOMES A DRAW. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU GET KIDS THAT WILL COME, THEY'LL LOITER, THEY'LL BREAK THE MACHINES, THEY'LL REACH THE HANDS IN. THERE'S CALLS FOR SERVICE WHEN IT ATTRACTS A LARGER NUMBER OF OF PATRONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE GAMES THEMSELVES, AS OPPOSED TO JUST A PASS THROUGH. AND SO IT IT DOES GET A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF OPTION B. OPTION C WE LIKE IT. LET'S LEAVE IT. AWESOME. THAT'S WHY YOU BROUGHT IT TO US. SO WE CAN JUST SAY I GIVE ALL OPTIONS. WE'VE GOT A MENU A COMPLETE MENU OF ALL ALL OF ALL THINGS. SO THESE WERE KIND OF THE THE ONES THAT WE WANT THE. WELL YEAH THESE ARE AN OPTION AS WELL OKAY. FEEL FREE TO ORDER LIKE A AND I DON'T LIKE C BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT LIKE I THINK THAT WAS ALLUDING TO YOU KNOW WE DO HAVE AN ARCADE BUSINESS AND AND I

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AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO WITH THE ASIAN MARKET THAT ENDS UP HAVING LOTS OF ARCADE MACHINES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HAVE FISH TANKS. YOU ALLOW FISH TANKS. WELL, THAT'S THE STATE LEVEL. THE SHIELD HAS A STATE. THESE ARE THESE ARE SPOTS AS WELL THAT HAVE THESE. NOT FOR EATING, NOT FOR FOOD, NOT FOR. YEAH THEY DON'T SELL FISH. OH I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY HAD H MART WANTED TO SELL APPARENTLY. SO SELFISH. OH MAN. SO I THINK THEY'RE SO I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING WITH B THAT DEALS WITH JUST THE REGULAR BUSINESS THAT HAS A COUPLE OF MACHINES, AND THEN THE ARCADE BUSINESS. RIGHT. WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO TIERS WHERE, YOU KNOW BETWEEN 1 AND 10 IF YOU'VE GOT THREE MACHINES AT THIS PRICE, IF YOU'VE GOT FIVE MACHINES. NO.

BUT I THINK I LIKE WHAT PATRICK'S GOING OKAY BETWEEN 1 AND 10. YOU'RE NOT ARCADE BUT YOU DO HAVE THIS ISSUE. AND IF YOU GOT MORE THAN TEN, THEN YEAH. NOW YOU'RE AN ARCADE, RIGHT? YEAH. FOR OPTION A, WHO'S WITH ME? ARE YOU JOKING? BECAUSE I KIND OF AM, I AM JOKING, I AM ALMOST THERE TOO. I AM SO CLOSE TO THAT. WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT WITH OPTION? OPTION A, WHAT DO WE LOSE IF WE JUST DELETE IT? WELL, I AM ALMOST ASKING OUT OF IGNORANCE.

I'M AND AND MAYBE BROCK HAS SOME INSIGHT ON ON THAT AS WELL. OR. YES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

WE WANT WE WANT INSIGHT. HE SPENDS A LOT OF TIME IN ROMANIA. I'VE SEEN HIM THERE. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT? WE IT IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU'RE COUNTING ON THE BUSINESS TO FILL OUT THEIR PAPERWORK. WHAT DOES THIS ONE, A PINBALL MACHINE, IS WHAT CLASS? I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY.

WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY ACCURATE. SO, YOU KNOW, OPTION A OR B WOULD WOULD WORK EITHER WAY. AND I'M GOING TO WAIT TO HOLD MY VOTE UNTIL AFTER Y'ALL VOTE. SO I WILL VOTE. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE SUPPORT. TELL THEM WHY THEY SHOULD EVEN REQUIRE A LICENSE FOR. YEAH. AUDIT FOR. YEAH. THERE IT GOES WITH WHAT ANNETTE WAS ASKING.

SHE JUST. NO, WE THERE IS REALLY NO NEED OR IT'S NOT A NECESSITY FOR US TO REQUIRE A SECONDARY LICENSE FOR AN ARCADE. OTHER THAN THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN DONE. THEY HAVE TO GET A GENERAL LICENSE TO START WITH. THAT IS CORRECT. THEY HAVE TO GET A GENERAL BUSINESS LICENSE TO START WITH. LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, THE ARCADE WOULD BE SECONDARY. WE HAVE OTHER SECONDARY LICENSES, LIKE THE MASSAGE LICENSE THAT WE REGULATE THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY SPECIAL REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR ARCADES. I MIGHT ADD THAT WHEN NICOLE KATE CAME IN, THEY MET WITH THE COUNCIL BECAUSE IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE.

YEAH, IT WAS LIKE IT WAS LIKE FOR EACH ONE. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. AND EVERY TIME THEY TAKE ONE OUT AND PUT IN A NEW ONE, YOU GOTTA CHANGE THEIR LICENSE. AND WE ADJUSTED THAT. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT THESE NEW PLACES THAT ARE POPPING UP. SO ONE OVER BY PAPA MURPHY'S BY LUCKY. IT'S A CLAW MACHINE BUSINESS. IT'S A CLAW MACHINE BUSINESS. THAT'S AWESOME. ALL IT IS IS CLAW MACHINES. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, THAT'S TERRIBLE. MACHINES ARE THE WORST ARCADE.

YEAH. THEY'RE TERRIBLE. YEAH, I THINK THEY ARE JUST A CERTAIN CLASS OF ARCADE GAME. SO DID THEY HAVE TO? THOSE ARE CLASS C FOLLOW ALL THOSE RULES TOO? YES. OKAY. COST OR GRAB MACHINES CONSIDERATION. I MEAN DO WE GET A LOT OF REVENUE. IS THIS LIKE A REVENUE PROBLEM? NOT FOR US.

THEN WE DO GET SOME REVENUE FROM IT. BUT WE ALSO GIVE IT MORE SERVICES TO. YEAH. WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE JUST HAVING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE PAPERWORK'S IN ORDER IS NOT WORTH THE $53, MISTER CHAIR. YES YOU MAY. I'LL ALLOW IT. HISTORICALLY. MANY CITIES, I WOULD DARE SAY MOST CITIES STRUCTURE THEIR BUSINESS LICENSING BY DISPROPORTIONATE. IN OTHER WORDS, THE UNDERLYING PHILOSOPHY IS THE MORE, THE MORE CITY SERVICES YOUR BUSINESS DRAWS UPON FROM THE TAXPAYERS, THE HIGHER YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE A IF YOU'RE A BIKER BAR AND COPS ARE GOING THERE EVERY OTHER NIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY A BUSINESS LICENSE. WHY YOU SHOULD TREAT IT THAT. CAUSING GRIEF WITH HIS TWO WHEELS? YEAH. BICYCLE BAR. BUT AND SO BUSINESS LICENSES ARE STRUCTURED WITH DISPROPORTIONATE THAT ARE MEANT TO MIRROR THE DISPROPORTIONATE SERVICE LEVELS REQUIRED OF PUBLIC SAFETY. THAT'S WHY HISTORICALLY, ARCADES HAVE HAD A HIGHER DISPROPORTIONATE IS BECAUSE ARCADES USED TO REQUIRE

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I SEE I'M STILL FREE TO I AM, I THINK. SO LET'S GO. THIS OPTION A. DO OPTION A OKAY. OH, OH.

ALL RIGHT. LOOK AT THAT. LOOK HOW EASY YOUR JOB IS. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO GET RID OF? YEAH. LET'S GET RID OF DRIVER'S LICENSE. WELL, I. ANIMATION YOU NEED A CLAW. I, I KNOW I WILL TELL YOU, THERE WAS A MOMENT IN MAKING MY SLIDESHOW WHERE I THOUGHT, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, IT WOULD BE JUST TOO CHEESY. THE THUMBS I THOUGHT WERE PUSHING IT. BUT THIS IS KIND OF RIGHT.

THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. AND AND SO I'LL COME BACK LIKE, I'LL, I'LL BRING A COUPLE MORE TO YOU THE NEXT TIME. AND, AND YOU'LL SAY, WHY IN THE WORLD IS THIS EVEN ON THERE, SCRAP METAL PROCESSORS? WHY ARE WE REGULATING THIS? THERE ARE SOME OF THESE, THOUGH, THAT WE REALLY DO NEED SOME HELP ON TOBACCO SPECIALTY. NEED SOME HELP? WE'VE BULLION. WE'VE GOT BULLION THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF INHERENTLY NEED TO CRACK DOWN ON GAMBLING AT CONVENIENCE STORES. WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY DOING THAT. IT'S ALREADY ILLEGAL. AND I THINK WE NEED NO KIDDING. LIKE PROSTITUTION AND MASSAGE PARLOR ALREADY. SORRY. SO WE'LL BE BRINGING WE'LL BE BRINGING THIS BACK. WE CAN'T WAIT. BUT YOU BETTER UP YOUR ANIMATION GAME.

I PROMISE TO DO SO. I'M GOING BACK TO THE TRUCKS. DID YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A SEMI THAT DROVE ON? I DID ACTUALLY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO I SAW I WENT, WAIT A MINUTE. YEAH, THAT ONE JUST MOVED. I DIDN'T HAVE OPTIMUS TRANSFORMING, BUT I'LL DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

PATRICK. HEY, WE GOT ONE MORE. LET'S GET THIS DONE. AND THEN IT'S. IT'S MILLER TIME. WE'RE

[f. Annual Training of Open Public Meetings Act (OPMA)]

THEY CAN'T FOCUS ON OTHER THINGS UNTIL WE GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY. SO TO BE FAIR, I DO IT RIGHT NOW. I DID ONLINE JUST REAL QUICK. YEAH, THERE IS A VIDEO IF YOU'D LIKE TO WATCH THE ONLINE ONE, BUT I HAD TO I HAD TO GIVE A CERTIFICATE THAT I GOT IT DONE. PRINT IT OUT. SO ALONG THAT LINE, THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE BY STATE LAW, WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THIS EVERY YEAR. OKEMAH IS WHAT WE FREQUENTLY REFER TO. THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT AS.

IT'S STATUTORY, GOVERNS THE WAY THAT WE HOLD OUR MEETINGS. WHAT I'VE GOT HERE IS IT'S AN OPEN IS BASICALLY AN EXPRESSION OF THE LEGISLATURE'S INTENT THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS, WE DO THAT IN PUBLIC, THAT IT'S OPEN AND THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO WE NEED TO TAKE ACTIONS OPENLY AND CONDUCT DELIBERATIONS OPENLY WHEN WE'RE ACTING AS A PUBLIC BODY. YOU'LL SEE THIS IS TAKEN FROM THE STATUTE THAT IT'S WHEN THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS ARE ACTING THAN THAN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT WAY DOESN'T MEAN YOU INDIVIDUALLY NEED TO BE BROADCASTING YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL PACKET OR THAT KIND OF THING. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE DOING YOUR WORK. BUT WHEN WE'RE COMING TOGETHER TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS, WE NEED TO DO THAT OPENLY AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT BUSINESS BE PERFORMED OPENLY AS WELL. AND I WILL SAY WITH THIS, SOMETIMES THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT COME UP WITH OBAMA AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, DOES THIS NEED TO BE OPEN OR DOES IT NOT? AND IF WE JUST COME BACK TO THESE KIND OF UNDERLYING PRINCIPLES THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CONDUCTING THE BUSINESS AND DELIBERATIONS OPENLY, A LOT OF TIMES THE GENERAL PHILOSOPHY THERE WILL GUIDE US EFFECTIVELY AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. SO WHAT DOES OKEMAH DO? IT REQUIRES THAT ANY MEETING IS OPEN. IT ALSO PROVIDES A

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THE REASON THAT THE AGENDA IS RELEVANT FOR ALL OF YOU IS TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE AGENDA DOES CONTROL WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IN THE MEETING. THE AGENDA IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE, OR IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE REASONABLE SPECIFICITY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING IN THE MEETING. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT IS NOT AGENDIZED, THEY SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT. OKEMAH DOES INCLUDE SOME ROOM. IF THERE'S A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO BRINGS UP AN ISSUE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, THE COUNCIL CAN DISCUSS IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT. IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA AND IT DOESN'T COME UP IN THE COURSE OF THE MEETING, THEN IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE

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YOU KNOW, STAND THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THE BASEBALL FIELDS. AND WE COULDN'T WE WEREN'T VOTED. IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA. WE WEREN'T EVEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT. WE HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS EVEN GOING ON. THIS WAS SOMETHING THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAD LET THE LITTLE LEAGUE KNOW ABOUT AND BOOM, YOU KNOW, BLEW UP. BUT WE DID DECIDE TO TALK ABOUT IT AT A FUTURE MEETING. SO WE DID TAKE A VOTE AND SAY, DO WE WANT TO PUT THIS ON AN AGENDA? DO WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SO WE DID TAKE A VOTE AND SAID, YES, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. SO IT WASN'T A FORMAL ACTION DECISION, BUT IT WAS A PROCEDURAL KIND OF A THING. OKAY. AND AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH OMA ARE THE ACTION IS TAKEN, WILL BE UNDONE.

RIGHT. IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO CHALLENGE THE ACTION TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S AS FAR AS IT COULD GO. YEAH. SORRY. CAN'T VOTE ON IT. THERE IS ROOM UNDER OKEMAH FOR EMERGENCY MEETINGS TO BE HELD. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY TIME HERE AT THE CITY. OBVIOUSLY IT CAN HAPPEN. OKEMAH PROVIDES A FRAMEWORK FOR IT TO HAPPEN, AND IT DOES STILL REQUIRE NOTICE, BUT BASICALLY IT'S A BEST EFFORTS KIND OF THING GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO IF EVERYTHING IS IN OPEN MEETING, THERE ARE, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, SOME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE CAN HAVE A CLOSED MEETING IN ORDER TO DO A CLOSED MEETING, WE HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT. THE MEETING HAS TO BE PROPERLY NOTICED BEFOREHAND, AND THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO THIRDS OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT TO VOTE. THERE ARE EVEN MORE NARROW SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT CAN BE REQUIRED TO GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION. THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS VOTE, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SEE HERE AT THE COUNCIL. THE MEETING THAT'S PROPERLY NOTICED IS NOT THE CLOSED SESSION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PROPERLY NOTICED. IT HAS TO BE IN A MEETING THAT HAS BEEN OUR GENERAL PRACTICE IS TO INCLUDE A CLOSED SESSION AS AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE AGENDA. IF IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT, WE WILL GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION. BUT OKEMAH DOESN'T EXPLICITLY REQUIRE THAT AS AN AGENDIZED ITEM. AND SO IF SOMETHING COMES UP DURING THE MEETING THAT WE NEED TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS, WE CAN DO THAT.

PART OF THE REASON THAT THAT WORKS IS BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME UP AND THEN WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT DISCUSSION OF CHARACTER, PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCE, OR PHYSICAL OR MENTAL HEALTH OF AN INDIVIDUAL STRATEGY SESSION TO DISCUSS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING OR PENDING OR IMMINENT LITIGATION, DISCUSS THE PURCHASE OR LEASE OF REAL PROPERTY SECURITY OR AN INVESTIGATION INTO CRIMINAL CONDUCT. OKEMAH HAS MANY, MANY MORE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COME UP AND DEAL WITH VERY, VERY NARROW, SPECIFIC THINGS. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT MOST COMMONLY APPLY TO COUNCILS. THIS IS THIS IS WHAT I MEAN TOO, IS WE'VE HAD LIKE ON THE WATER BOARD. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO WITH. AND THEN WE FOUND OUT IN THE IN THE COURSE OF THE MEETING THAT, OH, THERE'S AN OFFER ON THIS, WE MIGHT NEED TO GO TALK. AND WE HAD TO CLOSE THE MEETING, EVEN THOUGH THE CLOSED SESSION WASN'T SPECIFICALLY NOTICED. CLOSED THE MEETING SO WE COULD GO TALK ABOUT THE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION, THEN GO BACK. YEAH, YEAH. IN CLOSED SESSION, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE ONLY THINGS THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED ARE THINGS THAT ARE PROPERLY DISCUSSED IN A CLOSED SESSION. SOMETIMES IT'S TEMPTING TO START TO KIND OF WANDER INTO OTHER TOPICS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T DO THAT. AND THEN IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE ANY FORMAL ACTION IN A CLOSED SESSION. YOU NEED TO CONVENE, GO BACK INTO OPEN SESSION AND THEN CONDUCT THE VOTE. THE ONLY VOTE THAT IS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE IS A FORMAL VOTE. IS THE VOTE TO CLOSE THE CLOSED SESSION, OR TO END THE CLOSED SESSION, AND THEN GO BACK TO THE OPEN MEETING. WHEN YOU GO CLOSED, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REASON, THE LOCATION AND THE NAMES OF EVERYONE WHO ARE IN THE MEETING ARE RECORDED. STAFF HELP OUT WITH THAT TYPICALLY, OR THE COUNCIL CHAIR WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE GO THROUGH AND GET THAT ENTERED ON THE RECORD. AND THEN WE KEEP A RECORDING OF THE MEETING IN CASE IT WAS EVER TO BE CHALLENGED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION. NOW, I LIKE TO THINK THAT WE COMPLY WITH ALL OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THE LEGISLATURE THINKS THEY NEED TO BE MORE SERIOUS THAN THAT, AND THEY'VE IMPOSED A SET OF PENALTIES. THE ONLY CRIMINAL PENALTIES THAT COME INTO PLAY ARE FOR AN INTENTIONAL VIOLATION OF THE CLOSED MEETING PORTIONS OF OKEMAH, WHICH I THINK IS JUST SAYING DON'T ABUSE THIS RIGHT. DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CLOSED MEETING THING TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT CAN BE PUNISHABLE AS A CLASS B MISDEMEANOR. I THINK IT'S MY JOB TO DO WHATEVER I CAN TO KEEP YOU OUT OF JAIL. AND SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO CALL YOU

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IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP FREQUENTLY FOR ME. BUT THIS, I THINK, IS THE BIGGER REASON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLYING WITH OKEMAH ACROSS THE BOARD. AND THE REASON IS, IS THAT IF THERE IS A VIOLATION OF OKEMAH, THE ACTION THAT IS TAKEN THAT WAS NOT CONSISTENT CAN BE SUBJECT TO CHALLENGE. AND THAT'S HEADACHE, THAT'S HASSLE, IT'S DELAY, IT'S RESOURCES. AND IT'S JUST ALL OF THESE OTHER REASONS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT. SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLYING SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE TAKING ACTIONS, THOSE ACTIONS STICK AND THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO PEOPLE COMING IN AND UNDOING THEM. THIS IS THE PROVISION THAT I TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT PREDETERMINING ACTION OF THE PUBLIC BODY. DON'T IT'S OKAY TO TALK. IT'S OKAY TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE CORRESPONDENCE WITH EACH OTHER. BUT I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE MEETINGS THAT ARE NOT PUBLIC MEETINGS. SOMETIMES THIS WILL COME UP WITH LIKE TEXT CONVERSATIONS. AND IF EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING IN A TEXT CONVERSATION AND SAYING, OKAY, WELL, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE MEETING, YOU OPEN YOURSELF UP TO CHALLENGE AND TO PROBLEMS VIOLATIONS OF OKEMAH. SO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS DELIBERATION THAT'S HAPPENING, WE SAVE IT FOR A MEETING. IF THERE'S CORRESPONDENCE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THEN YOU CAN CORRESPOND. BUT IS THAT ONLY IN A QUORUM? YEAH. SO IF YOU'RE SPEAKING WITH LIKE LESS THAN THE FULL GROUP THERE, GENERALLY I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON SAFE GROUND TO SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RUN INTO THIS. BUT IF IN THOSE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, SO YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS AND YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS, YOU MIGHT OPEN YOURSELF UP TO CHALLENGE ON THIS GROUND. I'LL ALSO POINT OUT, AND I DID NOT INCLUDE IT IN THE SLIDE. THERE IS A PROVISION HERE THAT SAYS NOTHING IN THIS CHAPTER MAY BE CONSTRUED TO RESTRICT A MEMBER OF A PUBLIC BODY FROM TRANSMITTING AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BODY, AT A TIME WHEN THE PUBLIC BODY IS NOT CONVENED IN A MEETING. SO MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT WHEN YOU ARE NOT IN A MEETING, YOU'RE TOTALLY FINE TO SEND TEXT MESSAGES AND EMAILS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT TO EACH OTHER. THE INVERSE OF THAT IS NOT DIRECTLY STATED IN THE STATUTE, BUT IT COULD BE INFERRED. TAKE THAT FOR WHAT YOU WILL. I HAVE NOT SEEN A CHALLENGE OF IT. I THINK THE BIGGER EXPOSURE THAT COMES WITH SENDING ELECTRONIC MESSAGES IS JUST THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION OF IT, THAT A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T THINK RESIDENTS APPRECIATE THAT. SOMETIMES IT MIGHT BE NECESSARY TO COMMUNICATE. DURING THE MEETING. I'LL LET YOU JUDGE THAT AS YOU SEE FIT. IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT WITH YOU. BUT BE MINDFUL OF THAT AND WATCH FOR IT. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OKEMAH? NOT YOU ARE ALL FREE FOR 12 MORE MONTHS. ONE MORE TIME. YES, IN 12 MONTHS. WE'LL GET EVENTUALLY. YOU CAN DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT AT OTHER TIMES THAT I THINK KIND OF OVERLAP A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS. IN REGARDS TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, OKEMAH ONLY DEALS WITH THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF A SCHOOL BOARD, AND IN REQUIRING TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THE LEGISLATURE HASN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'VE IMPOSED THAT ON CITY COUNCILS. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY APPETITE FOR THAT. BUT ISSUES AROUND PUBLIC COMMENTS DO COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME. HERE AT THE CITY, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY HANDS OFF WITH THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE SITUATIONS THAT ARISE THAT COULD BE AVOIDED IF YOU WANTED TO EXERCISE YOUR DISCRETION TO LIMIT THOSE PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT MORE. JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'D BE OPEN TO TALKING ABOUT THAT AND HOW THE COUNCIL COULD GO ABOUT IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. BUT IF THE COUNCIL PREFERS TO DO THE KIND OF WILD WEST APPROACH, WE'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT AS WELL. AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO ALL THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES. I KNOW THERE ARE CITIES ALL ACROSS THE STATE, SOME THAT ARE VERY RESTRICTIVE. AND WHAT'S ALLOWED BOTH BY SUBJECT AND TIME. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHERS LIKE WEST JORDAN, THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME IN AND EXPRESS WHAT THEY'VE GOT ON THEIR MIND. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWERS WITH THAT, UNLESS WE START GETTING INTO TRYING TO RESTRICT THOSE COMMENTS AND WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT. SO JUST A LITTLE. PIN ON THAT ONE IF YOU DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT LATER.

AND THAT'S ALL I. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WE WILL. NO. OKAY. EXCEPT FOR CHAD WHO STEPPED OUT HERE. NO I DON'T I DON'T REMEMBER ANYONE. CHAD. CHAD, I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE TO

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