Jan 27, 2026 Committee of the Whole

[CALL TO ORDER]

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THE ONLY TIME I GET TO DO IT. WELCOME TO OUR COUNCIL OF THE WHOLE. THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION.

WE HAVE MANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE RIGHT NOW. SO COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB WILL BE AS AN EXCUSED FOR THIS SESSION. HE WILL BE A PART OF OUR COUNCIL SESSION LATER TONIGHT. AND I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, BUT I ASSUME THAT SHE IS ON HER WAY. AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN SHE IS ABLE TO JOIN. WE ALSO HAVE MANY OF OUR STAFF HERE AND LOOK AT THAT. I CAN SAY IT RIGHT NOW. YES, SHE COMES IN FOR RAY AND ALL. WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF OUR CITY STAFF, AND WE'LL BE HEARING FROM MANY OF THEM. AND AS PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST DECIDED THIS WAS THE BEST PLACE TO HANG OUT AND HAVE JOINED US. SO WE WELCOME ALL OF YOU HERE. THIS IS WHERE WE DISCUSS TOPICS SO THAT WE CAN HASH OUT SOME ITEMS BEFORE WE

[a. Discussion of Jones Southwest Quadrant - Rezone, Future Land Use Map Amendment, and Development Agreements Located at 7382 West New Bingham Highway]

THANK YOU, MR. JENSEN. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE WILL NOW BRING UP THE APPLICANT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR OUR RECORDS. YES, I'M TOM ROMNEY WITH FOCUS CONSULTING PLANNING AND ENGINEERING COMPANY. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR PROBABLY THREE YEARS NOW WITH STAFF AND THE GARDNER COMPANY AND IVORY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROJECT. AND IT IS A LITTLE UNIQUE. SO JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO GO OVER REALLY QUICK IS WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS WE'RE DEALING WITH, WE'RE WORKING WITH. AND SO MIKE JONES. MIKE JONES OWNS KIND OF THIS MOST OF THIS PIECE VICKI JONES HER KIND OF TRUST AND FAMILY OWNS THIS PIECE. AND THEN GARY MCDOUGALL OWNS A PIECE IN HERE. AND I THINK THE OTHER UNIQUE PIECE ABOUT ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS WE ALSO HAVE TWO DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE DECIDED TO WORK TOGETHER, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT UNIQUE IN THE REALM OF GARDNER DEVELOPMENT, WHOSE BACKGROUND IS MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND THEN IVORY DEVELOPMENT, WHO IS TYPICALLY RESIDENTIAL BUT WILL PROBABLY BE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL. DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS, IS ALL IVORY DEVELOPMENT'S PIECE, SO THEY WORKED WITH COUNCIL QUITE A BIT ON A SIMILAR ON A DIFFERENT ZONING, BUT A SIMILAR TYPE OF A PROCESS WHERE IT REQUIRES A MASTER PLAN. THE REASON THAT'S UNIQUE IS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ALL DESIGNATED FOR SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, WHICHEVER ONE I THINK IS WELL AWARE OF AS PART OF THAT PROCESS FOR THE ZONING. SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ASKING FOR A ZONING THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT'S DESIGNATED FOR, BUT THAT ZONING REQUIRES A MASTER PLAN. SO WHEN I SAY WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR THREE YEARS, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE BEEN MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS. IT'S JUST IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO PUT A MASTER PLAN TOGETHER. THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES AND COMPONENTS, BECAUSE YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH CREATING A ZONE WITHIN A ZONE AND WHERE.

AND SO I THINK THE UNIQUE THING IS CURRENTLY THE FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PIECE WOULD HAVE BEEN A PART OF IT, BUT WASATCH ELECTRIC WAS INTERESTED IN THIS PIECE. AND SO THEY HAD TO MOVE QUICK, MORE QUICKLY TO PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, 850 ACRES, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS THROUGH

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OKAY. WELL, THEY'RE THEY'RE PIECES ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, RIGHT DOWN IN HERE. SO THIS ROAD IS I THINK THIS ROAD IS BUILT PART OF IT. AND THEN THERE ARE BUILDINGS THERE.

THERE IS SOME SPACE THAT THEY'LL, THROUGH THEIR MASTER PLAN CAN COME BACK THROUGH. AND THEN ALSO THIS GOT REZONED SOUTHWEST QUADRANT AND GARDNER HAS THEIR APARTMENTS THAT ARE BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW. THE REASON THE REASON THAT'S SIGNIFICANT IS WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THIS PIECE IS NOT COME BACK THROUGH CONSTANTLY WITH EVERY DEVELOPMENT AND GO THROUGH AND CREATE A DIFFERENT MASTER PLAN. SO THE REASON SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE THREE PROPERTY OWNERS AND TWO DEVELOPERS, WE WANTED TO CREATE ONE MASTER PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THERE COULD BE A LOT OF COHESION IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. SO THAT'S REALLY THE REASON. BUT IT IS A BIG UNDERTAKING. LIKE IT'S BEEN A LITTLE QUICKER AND EASIER IN A WAY TO COME PIECE BY PIECE. BUT THEN THE PROBLEM IS, IS LIKE HOW TO PARKS CONNECT, HOW LIKE WHAT KIND OF TRAIL SYSTEM IS THERE, WHAT IS THE ROAD NETWORK. AND SO I THINK BY COMING THROUGH WITH ALL 850 ACRES, WE CAN ALL SIT DOWN AT A TABLE TOGETHER WITH STAFF, WITH THE COUNCIL AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR PLAN MAKES SENSE FOR THE ENTIRE BIG PICTURE AND THAT WE'RE NOT PIECEMEALING THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ONE PIECE AT A TIME.

AND WE ARE BACK. SO SOME OF YOU WERE AT THE LAST COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, WHICH IS GREAT. THEY KIND OF HAD MIKE JONES HAD AN INTENTION. THE PINK IS HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING. HE HAD AN INTENTION. AND CAN I JUST GO MAYBE FORWARD. IT SHOULD BE A CLICKER RIGHT THERE. SO MIKE JONES WAS KIND OF ENVISIONING ALL OF HIS PROPERTY BEING HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING, WHICH IS THE PINK. AND SO THE LAST PLAN WE CAME THROUGH WITH WAS THIS WAS ALL PINK AND JUST GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE DID OUR BEST. AND SO THIS IS THE GRAVEL PIT. SO THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME CONCERN WITH WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN HERE IN MANUFACTURING TO NOT HAVE THIS BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT THIS BE MORE OF A HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING. SO WE SWITCHED THAT BACK. THIS HAS A LARGE STEEP SLOPE. THIS IS KIND OF A CHANNEL THAT SITS ABOVE THAT. AND SO CHANGING THAT BACK TO THE HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING PART OF THE CONCERN IS WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL THAT WAS KIND OF ON AN ISLAND. AND SO WE GOT RID OF THAT ISLAND BY CONNECTING IT THROUGH ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF STOKESLEY, SO THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONNECTION TO DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS THAT WILL BE HERE. SO THIS IS 90TH SOUTH, THIS IS FUTURE STOKESLEY THAT WILL COME THROUGH. SO I THINK WHAT TAYLOR WAS ALLUDING TO IS SOMETHING THAT'S THE STAFF OR THE COUNCIL HAS KIND OF TALKED ABOUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME IN WEST JORDAN, IS HAVING RESIDENTIAL ALONG THE ENTIRE KIND OF WEST BOUNDARY OF WEST JORDAN. SO THE REASON WE'VE STILL KEPT THESE 60 ACRES AS HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING IS RIGHT NOW, GARDNER HAS A BATTERY STORAGE COMPANY THAT WANTS TO DEVELOP ON THESE 60 ACRES. AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND THE REASON WHY, BUT THAT IS A REALLY BIG DEAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND FOR THE HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING PIECE. SO THAT'S WHY WE DID OUR BEST TO GET RESIDENTIAL BACK AND CREATE THAT CONNECTION. BUT THERE IS THIS USE THAT WE FEEL LIKE IS COHESIVE WITH RESIDENTIAL AND CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT LIKE KIND OF TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT COUNCIL HAD TO SAY, BUT THEN ALSO TRYING TO WORK WITH LIKE WHAT THE INTEREST LEVEL IS IN THE AREA. AND SO WHAT IT KIND OF BREAKS DOWN TO IS EVERYTHING IN PEAK WOULD BE DESIGNATED AS HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING ON THIS MAP. CURRENTLY, WE'RE SHOWING 479 ACRES OF HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING, WHICH IS 56% OF THE TOTAL 849 ACRES. WE'RE GUARANTEEING IN THE MASTER PLAN A MINIMUM OF 425 ACRES. AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THESE PIECES POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE. AND WE'RE OPEN TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO NECESSARILY DO MORE RESIDENTIAL THAN WHAT'S SHOWN, BUT IT'S KIND OF CREATING AN OPTION THAT AT THE LIFE OF IF THIS EVER REDEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE, THAT IT COULD GO BACK TO RESIDENTIAL SOMEDAY. SO WE ARE TRYING TO THINK LIKE WHAT IS GOOD FOR NOW AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE IF SOMETHING WERE TO CHANGE. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHY THOSE AREAS ARE WHAT THEY ARE. BUT. PART OF PART OF THIS LIKE TO GET THE TO TO GET TO 50% HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING, TO GET TO 56%, IT REALLY KIND OF NEED

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IT'S SIGNIFICANT. THIS IS ALL KENNECOTT'S PROPERTY. THERE'S A RAILROAD THAT'S ABANDONED, THAT GOES THROUGH HERE. AND THIS IS A GIANT SOLAR FARM. SO PART OF THE REASON FOR BATTERY STORAGE HERE. AND WE HAVE TERESA, WHO CAN COME AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT BATTERY STORAGE IS ONE, THE PROXIMITY TO THE SOLAR FARM AND THE PROXIMITY TO KENNECOTT PROVIDING AN EASEMENT WHERE THEY CAN RUN A TRANSMISSION LINE THAT ALLOWS THE BATTERY STORAGE TO BE VIABLE. IN THIS LOCATION. THE BATTERY STORAGE IS AROUND A $500 MILLION INVESTMENT INTO THE CITY, IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT INTO THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE SALT LAKE COUNTY AREA. AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTIAL GOES, WE'RE PROPOSING 4500 UNITS, OVER 290 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL. THAT THAT EQUATES TO ON THAT AREA. THIS IS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME IS 15.5 UNITS TO THE ACRE OVERALL FOR RESIDENTIAL AND A LOT OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN WEST JORDAN. WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT JUST CONSIDERING THE INTENT OF THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT BEING MIXED USE KIND OF WORK LIVE, WE RECOGNIZE NOT EVERYONE THAT LIVES HERE IS GOING TO WORK HERE, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU CAN WORK AND LIVE IN THE SAME PLACE, WHICH, WHEN I READ THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, IS A BIG PART OF IT. WE'VE SPLIT THAT UP INTO THREE KIND OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THE THIS KIND OF ORANGE WOULD BE A HIGHER DENSITY. IT'S A MIX OF APARTMENTS, TOWNHOMES AND HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY. SO THAT'S KIND OF HERE AND HERE AND A STRATEGICALLY PLACED IT CLOSER TO THE HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING. AND THEN THIS

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THIS IS A WASH. THIS WASH WOULD BE A TRAIL CORRIDOR. BUT WE HAVE THREE MAJOR PARKS PLANNED IN THE MASTER PLAN. WE GET A LOT MORE INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN THOSE.

WE SHOW THEM IN A WAY THAT WHEN IT DEVELOPS, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY SHAPED COULD CHANGE. BUT WE'RE COMMITTING TO CERTAIN ACREAGES FOR EACH OF THOSE PARKS. ALL OF YOUR MAJOR ROADWAYS HAVE TRAILS, BUT THEN WE'RE COMMITTING TO OTHER TRAIL CORRIDORS. YOU HAVE THIS THE THERE'S LIKE A POWER CORRIDOR ALONG U 111. AND SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THERE WOULD BE A TRAIL CORRIDOR THROUGH THERE. THERE'S TRAILS ALONG STOKESLEY AND THEN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'RE GOING TO CREATE OTHER TRAIL CORRIDORS. AND PART OF IT IS WE WANT PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE AND LIVE THERE TO BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY. DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS HAS AN EXTENSIVE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT STOKESLEY WOULD CONNECT TO, SO THIS IS WHY DOING THE WHOLE PIECE IS ONE WE REALLY LIKE IS BECAUSE SOME OF THIS GETS LOST.

IF YOU PIECEMEAL THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. THIS IS AGAIN JUST EYE CANDY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE BICYCLE, THE BICYCLE. THIS IS THE VISION FOR HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING. IF YOU GO OUT AND LOOK AT WASATCH ELECTRIC, THAT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF USERS AND THE TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE AND THE BUILDINGS THAT HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING WOULD HAVE. YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE WAY THIS WILL DEVELOP IS YOU'LL JUST HAVE USERS COME AND APPROACH GARDNER AND THEN WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE CITY AND STAFF AND COUNCIL TO GET THEIR PRODUCT OUT THERE. DO YOU MIND IF WE HAVE THERESA JUST EXPLAIN BATTERY STORAGE TO THE COUNCIL? YEAH. HAVE YOU I MEAN, BECAUSE IT IS JUST KIND OF A VISION RIGHT NOW. HAVE YOU HAD ANY USERS COME AND APPROACH THESE DEVELOPERS AND BESIDES THERESA. YEAH. BECAUSE I YEAH. OUTSIDE OF THAT HAVE YOU. YEAH IT'S OKAY IF I ANSWER THAT. YEAH. SO YEAH. SO THE THE ONE THAT THAT THERE THAT THEY'RE MOVING IN RIGHT NOW OR HAVE MOVED IN IS WASATCH ELECTRIC. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THEM. THAT WAS PART OF THE OLD NDA. BUT WE HAVE ONE THAT'S A CLOSED RIGHT NOW. BUT THEY'RE 200,000FT■!S AD WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM AT THE MOMENT. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THIS DONE IN ORDER TO DO IT. BUT BUT WE'RE WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS IT IS. YEAH. YEAH. THEY'RE MANUFACTURING.

MANUFACTURING. WHAT SPECIFICALLY DENIM IS MANUFACTURING. AND SO SO IT'S PACKAGING AND MANUFACTURING. THEY'RE A PACKAGING COMPANY. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE PACKAGING. LET ME GET YOUR NAME FOR MARK MURDOCH, 201 SOUTH MAIN STREET GARDNER COMPANY. BUT YEAH, THAT'S ONE GROUP WE'RE TALKING TO. ANOTHER ONE THAT'S BEEN IN THE MARKET THAT'S KIND OF MORE PUBLIC. IS RYDER THE TRUCKING COMPANY? THEY'VE BEEN IN THE MARKET. I THINK THEY ARE CHOOSING A BUT WE'VE BEEN RESPONDING TO RFP. I THINK THEY ENDED UP CHOOSING AN EXISTING BUILDING. BUT YEAH, WE'RE WE'VE KIND OF HELD OFF A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO

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THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON THIS WAS PUT THERE. AND GARDNER WAS AWARE OF THAT WHEN THEY CAME TO US. YOU ALSO NEED TO KNOW YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT WRONG, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, ONCE WE AGREE TO THIS, IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US. THEY WILL THEN GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ALL THEIR LITTLE VILLAGES IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE THEM AROUND, MUCH LIKE YOU'LL SEE DRY CREEK DO LIKE SO ONCE WE SAY YES TO WHATEVER AND AGREE TO, WE'RE KIND OF PARTICIPATING ANYMORE. SO JUST KNOW THAT, OKAY? WHEN YOU SAY THIS WAS SET ASIDE FOR A JOB CENTER, DO YOU MEAN THE ENTIRE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT? DO YOU MEAN WHEN THEY PUT IT ASIDE, THEY PUT A PRIOR COUNCIL, PUT IT ASIDE AS A RESEARCH PARK. SO THEY ENVISIONED LIKE THIS. THEY WERE HOPING TO GET A UNIVERSITY AND MIMIC THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH'S RESEARCH PARK, IS WHAT I WAS TOLD. WOW. SO THAT WAS KIND OF A WAY. YES. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT WAS EVEN BEFORE THAT. WELL. WELL YOU WANT IT. YEAH. OKAY. SO OKAY. SO THAT WAS JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT WAS THE INTENT. OKAY. THEY JUST NEEDED A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. SURE. THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I'M SORRY. THERESA, BEFORE YOU STAY I'M SO SORRY. COULD I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS? WITH A LITTLE MORE TIME IN THEIR SEATS, AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THAT THE FEEDBACK GIVEN BEFORE WAS THAT THE COUNCIL WANTED RESIDENTIAL WEST, EAST OF. EAST WEST. WEST OF. YES, YES. SORRY. YOU'RE THE WEST. YEAH. SO WE WANTED RESIDENTIAL THAT FAR WEST. AND WE TOLD THEM THAT THE LAST TIME THEY CAME. BECAUSE ALL OF THIS OVER HERE, ALL OF THIS IS RESIDENTIAL, CLOSER TO ALL OF US, TO BE CLOSER TO THEM.

YOU'RE IN THE FOOTHILLS. WE WANT WEST JORDAN'S PEPPERWOOD. OKAY? YEAH. ZACH WANTS THE FUTURE JAZZ BALLPLAYER TO LIVE. THERE IS WHAT HE SAID WHEN I FIRST GOT IT. HE USED TO SAY THAT A LOT. THE THING. BUT EVEN EVEN IN THIS AREA, THIS IS NOT QUITE THE FOOTHILLS. NO, BUT WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS. THE FOOTHILLS THAT'S. THERE IS AN AREA OVER HERE. I THINK IT'S RIGHT THERE THAT KIND OF GOES UP HIGHER. OKAY. AND YOU CAN OVERLOOK THE VALLEY. THAT YELLOW AREA IS DEFINITELY A. YEAH. BUT THE THING THE MISCONCEPTION I HAD WAS THAT THE WEST, THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THAT, OF THAT COLOR AND WAS GETTING CLOSE UP TO THE FOOTHILLS AND IT'S REALLY NOT. YEAH. KENNECOTT OWNS THAT. I WAS SURPRISED THAT WE WERE WANTING RESIDENTIAL IN THIS LIKE JOBY AREA. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS UNDERSTANDING. ORIGINALLY WE PROBABLY DIDN'T, BUT THEN OKAY, THEN THEN WE DECIDED HOUSING WOULD FIT IN THERE IF IT WAS WORKFORCE HOUSING. OKAY, THANKS FOR THE CONTEXT AND STILL SOME LOW DENSITY UP THERE FOR THE JAZZ PLAYERS. YEAH, WELL, YOU GOT TO THINK OF THEM. NO ONE'S THINKING OF THEM. YEAH. POOR GUYS. WELL, AND WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW MAYBE IT'LL BE A HOCKEY PLAYER BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WE'D HAVE A BASEBALL BASEBALL PLAYER. SO. SO WE GOTTA HAVE ROOM FOR THOSE GUYS. WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE OF. THIS IS GETTING SERIOUS. OKAY. I'M SORRY. THANKS. YEAH I DON'T WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT TRYING TO IGNORE THAT. THIS IS ALSO PART OF A FUTURE WATER ZONE. AND SO, LIKE, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA IS QUITE SOME TIME OUT. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN A USER IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS IN AN AREA, IS THERE A REASON THAT USER CAN'T GO DOWN ON 128 ACRES DOWN HERE? YES. NO. TO THE SOUTH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. YEAH. SO THESE ARE DIFFERENT I KNOW THEY'RE DIFFERENT I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW THE GEOLOGY I'VE BEEN OUT THERE. YEAH A BIG PART IS, IS, IS THE TOPOGRAPHY. SO WHERE THIS IS DOWN IN A HOLE THAT CREATES SOME CHALLENGES. I ALSO THINK JUST THERE'S SOME OWNERSHIP REASONS WHY I DON'T THINK THAT CAN HAPPEN. AND. YEAH, SO I THINK I THINK A LOT OF IT IS THAT AND THERE'S SOME REASONS WHY THEY, THEY WANT TO PRESERVE THIS FOR LIKE SO WE DEFINITELY DON'T A LOT OF THIS WANT, THEY WANT BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS AND THE TOPOGRAPHY. THEY WANT TO PRESERVE THIS FOR MORE OF LIKE THE MANUFACTURING KIND OF THE WASATCH ELECTRIC TYPE.

AMAZON'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST WORD, BUT LIKE THAT TYPE OF A USER ALREADY RIGHT THERE. AND SO WE'RE BATTERY STORAGE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE EMPLOYEES. RIGHT. WHICH YOU JUST SAID.

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BATTERIES DON'T HAVE EMPLOYEES. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. THEY DO.

THEY HAVE EMPLOYEES. IT'S JUST THERE'S PROBABLY 30. IT'S NOT A COUPLE HUNDRED, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU GET IN SOME AREAS. AND AND I DON'T. THE INTENTION IS NOT LIKE NO ONE'S LOOKING TO DO BATTERY STORAGE ACROSS THE ENTIRE SITE. IT'S JUST IT'S 60 ACRES WITH A USER THAT WOULD INVEST A PRETTY. AND WE'LL LET THERESA TALK MORE ABOUT IT. A PRETTY MASSIVE INVESTMENT INTO WEST JORDAN, THAT IS THAT IS IF I HAD A CONCERN. THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT HIGH TECH, HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING IS NOT DEFINED IN OUR CODE. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE A HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING ZONE. RIGHT. OR TRUCKS. I HAVE A HARD TIME PICTURING WRITER TRUCKS AS HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING. MANUFACTURING FOR SURE. CARDBOARD BOXES. PACKAGING COMPANY AGAIN. HIGH TECH. YEAH. YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURING IS MANUFACTURING AND WE'RE NOT DEFINING HIGH TECH. SO MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR SURE IS LIKE, OKAY, YOU SAY YOU KEEP SAYING HIGH TECH JUST BECAUSE IT'S A FREAKING LARGE PORTION OF THE PLAN IN THE WAY THE ZONE WAS WRITTEN. AND TAYLOR CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THE HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING PIECE IS KIND OF ALREADY WRITTEN IN THE ZONE, AND IT'S THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE THAT IS MORE UP TO TELL ME WHERE THAT'S WRITTEN TO. THERE'S TWO SUB ZONES IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, SO THERE'S THE COMMUNE, WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN THERE'S TM, WHICH IS FOR HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING. OKAY. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE, BUT WE DON'T DEFINE IT. I THINK THEY HAVE THESE TABLES. OKAY. LET ME LET ME LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE MANUFACTURING ZONES AND I'M LIKE HIGH TECH IS NOT IN HERE.

YEAH. SO LET ME LOOK AT THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT TO. YEAH I'D BE HAPPY TO JUMP UP REAL QUICK IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME TO OUR. YEAH. THERESA, IF YOU CAN TELL ME YOUR NAME. THERESA. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOUR LAST NAME. I'M THERESA FOXLEY. I'M THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR OUR PLUS ENERGIES AND APPRECIATE VERY MUCH, HAVING HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH SOME OF THE CITY TEAM AND SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THIS PROJECT. SO I'M WITH OUR PLUS ENERGIES. WE ARE A SALT LAKE CITY BASED ENERGY AND ENERGY STORAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, AND WE ARE THE PROPONENTS BEHIND THE PROPOSED BATTERY PROJECT HERE IN WEST JORDAN CITY. JUST BY WAY OF QUICK BACKGROUND ON THE BUSINESS CASE FOR WHY BATTERY STORAGE HAS DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN THE IN THE MARKETPLACE IS REALLY BEEN TO HELP INTEGRATE SOME RENEWABLE OR INTERMITTENT SOURCES THAT GENERATE POWER DURING THE DAY WHEN THE SUN IS SHINING OR GENERATE POWER WHEN THE WIND IS BLOWING. BUT YOU AND ME, AS USERS OF ELECTRICITY, DON'T NECESSARILY NEED IT WHEN WHEN IT'S BEING GENERATED. SO BATTERY STORAGE HAS BECOME A VERY COMMERCIALLY VIABLE WAY TO HELP CAPTURE SOME OF THAT ENERGY AND THEN RELEASE IT WHEN IT'S NEEDED. AND DEVELOPERS LIKE US PROPOSE PROJECTS AND THEN ENTER INTO COMMERCIAL AGREEMENTS WITH UTILITIES LIKE PACIFICORP TO HELP STRENGTHEN OUR REGIONAL GRID. AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE IS A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT. IT'S ABOUT A 500 MEGAWATT FOR OUR PROJECT, WHICH BASED ON OUR OUR CURRENT PRICING, WOULD BE ABOUT A $550 MILLION INVESTMENT INTO THE CITY. SO THE BUSINESS CASE FOR US IS THAT WE CAN GO AND FIND A GREAT CUSTOMER IN PACIFICORP, ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER, AND TO HELP SOME OF THE STABILIZE THE REGIONAL GRID HERE, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE AN ANCILLARY BENEFIT TO, TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE REGIONAL RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES. BUSINESS CASE FOR YOU, I HOPE, IS THE SIZE OF THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT OVER 60 ACRES. IT IS ABOUT A YOU KNOW, IT IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL INTENSITY ON THAT SIZE OF ACREAGE, VERY COMPETITIVE WITH WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE BY WAY OF A DATA CENTER IN TERMS OF THE CAPITAL INTENSITY PER, PER ACREAGE. IT WAS SORT OF MENTIONED THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'RE IN. SO AS TOM AND OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, JUST OVER THE FENCE THAT WE'RE WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THE PROJECT IS RIO TINTO'S EXISTING SOLAR FARM. ALONG WITH THAT, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEIR CONCENTRATOR AND OTHER AREAS. SO THERE'S SOME PRETTY INTENSE USES IN THAT AREA. BUT IMPORTANTLY, THERE IS ALSO EXISTING TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET POWER OFF THE GRID TO CHARGE UP OUR BATTERIES. AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT ONTO THE GRID TO THEN PUT THAT POWER BACK ONTO IT. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME OF THE EXISTING TRANSMISSION CORRIDOR THAT WOULD TAKE US FROM ACROSS RIO TINTO'S PROPERTY, AND THEN UP NEAR THE LANDFILL INTO THE SUBSTATION, WHICH IS SHARED SORT OF SHARED LOCATION BETWEEN SOUTH JORDAN AND WEST JORDAN, THE LAND AND BUILD IT TO THE SOUTH AND YOU'LL BE CLOSER TO ALL THOSE

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AND THEN WE'LL THERE IS SOME DEGRADATION AS CHEMICAL BATTERIES DO EXPERIENCE THAT.

SO WE'LL WE'LL HAVE A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE EVERY THAT WILL ENSURE THAT WE MEET THOSE OPERATIONAL PARAMETERS AND THAT. BUT THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THEY HAVE AS AN INDIVIDUAL UNIT SOME 15 PLUS YEARS. DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE PROJECT LASTING ABOUT 30 YEARS? YEAH, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO WE WE WE BELIEVE THAT ONCE WE MAKE THIS INVESTMENT, WHICH WILL INCLUDE SUBSTATION AND ADDITIONAL TRANSMISSION UPGRADES, THAT WILL WE AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED WILL WANT IT TO BE A LASTING INVESTMENT. MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL AGREEMENTS RIGHT NOW FOR BATTERY PROJECTS ARE ABOUT 20 TO 25 YEARS. IN YOUR INITIAL TERM, BUT WE WOULD WE WOULD HOPE AND EXPECT THAT IT WOULD GO BEYOND BEYOND THAT. ALTHOUGH AS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE ZONE OR, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGNATION INDICATES THAT IF IT WERE TO NO LONGER TO BE UTILIZED AS ENERGY STORAGE, THEN THE CITY WOULD HAVE FULL RIGHTS TO TO TRY AND CONVERT IT INTO ANOTHER USE. IT'S KIND OF BUILT IT IN THE MASTER PLAN, WHERE AT ANY POINT THAT A LEASE EXPIRES OR IN THAT 30 YEAR PERIOD, YOU COULD GO BACK AND REDEVELOP IT IN RESIDENTIAL, OR IF YOU WERE TO REDEVELOP IT IN HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD WANT TO HAVE A TWO STORY GIANT BUILDING. AND SO I THINK SOME OTHER THINGS JUST WITHIN THERE WILL BUILD IN, LIKE WHAT ARE THE FENCING REQUIREMENTS? WHAT ARE THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS LIKE? I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST DEAL IS HOW DO YOU SCREEN IT SO THAT SIMILAR TO A WATER TANK, WATER TANK WOULD BE A SIMILAR SITUATION OUT IN MIDVALE? THERE'S PEOPLE THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE SEWER PLANT AND IT'S JUST HOW DO YOU CREATE THAT BUFFER SO THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU LIVE NEXT TO A WATER TANK OR BATTERY STORAGE OR A SEWER PLANT, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU THAT YOU DO. AND SO INSTEAD OF A BACKYARD NEIGHBOR, YOU HAVE A BATTERY STORAGE. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE LARGER LOTS. SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER SETBACK.

AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S AN EXTRA TEN FOOT SETBACK OR 20 FOOT SETBACK ON THE HOMES THAT WOULD ABUT THE BATTERY STORAGE. I THINK THAT'S THE BEAUTY WITH A MASTER PLAN, IS THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN PUT INTO PLACE FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC LIKE THIS. ARE THERE ANY POTENTIAL HEALTH ISSUES? PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE TO LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO A ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAN OCCUR. WHAT ABOUT BATTERY FARM, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THEM OR NOT, WHAT IS OUT THERE? YEAH. GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ENERGIZED SYSTEMS. RIGHT. SO THERE ARE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF YEAH, IT'S THERE IS NOISE WHAT I CALL IT NOISY.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOISY LIKE YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD EXPECT IF YOU HAVE BEEN NEAR A SUBSTATION.

THAT'S ABOUT THE LEVEL I THINK IT'S I WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE, WITH THE EXACT DECIBEL SO THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF AND WANT TO WORK WITH YOU ON. YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO I THINK THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE TEND TO FOCUS ON WITH BATTERIES ARE REALLY RELATED TO SAFETY. IT'S CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE ACCESSING IT. IT IS ENERGIZED. SO THAT IS A REASON WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO AVOID IT, BECAUSE THERE IS RISK OF IF YOU'RE NOT TRAINED AND YOU ACCESS THE SITE, YOU COULD CAUSE YOURSELF HARM, COULD END UP WITH PER UNIT. OH YEAH. YEAH,

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YEAH, THAT WAS THAT WOULD BE MY NEXT QUESTION. IT'S NOT THE CITY'S JOB TO SAY, OH, WELL, YOU COULD DO BETTER IF YOU PUT YOUR BUSINESS SOMEWHERE ELSE. YEAH, THAT'S NOT OUR JOB. OUR JOB IS SAYING, YES, YOU CAN PUT YOUR BUSINESS HERE OR NO, YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR BUSINESS HERE.

IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO MAKE YOUR BUSINESS CASE FOR YOU, OR TO MAKE SOME OTHER BUSINESS CASE FOR YOU, BUT IT IS OUR JOB TO REPRESENT RESIDENTS AND THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NORTH OF THERE ON STOKELY'S WILL NOT BE HAPPY WHEN THEIR RESIDENTS, WHEN THEY HAVE RESIDENTS THERE, HAVE BATTERY PARK RIGHT BY THEM. NOBODY'S GOING TO WANT THAT. THERE IS A LARGE RAVINE BETWEEN THERE. NOBODY LIVES ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THIS RIGHT NOW. NO THEY DON'T. THERESA, I KNOW I ASKED YOU THIS WHEN WE MET, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE WASTE MANAGEMENT OF THE BATTERIES.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO THESE ARE CHEMICAL BATTERIES THAT, AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT OR ASKED, THEY THEY DON'T HAVE A YOU KNOW, THEY DO EVENTUALLY REACH THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE. WE WOULD WORK AND EXPECT TO WORK WITH YOU ALL ON A DECOMMISSIONING PLAN SO THAT EITHER THE MATERIALS THAT ARE USED, THAT WE COMMIT TO RECYCLING THEM OR DISPOSING OF THEM IN A WAY THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMUNITY. THERE IS NO WASTE RECYCLING OR DISPOSAL IN WEST JORDAN, BUT WE WOULD, OF COURSE, WORK WITH YOU ALL AND ANYONE IN YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY OR PUBLIC PUBLIC HEALTH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, ETCETERA TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A CLEAR PLAN THAT IS COMMITTED TO, AT THE TIME OF US BEING ABLE TO ATTAIN COMMERCIAL OPERATION.

FOR THE LITHIUM BATTERIES, THESE WOULD BE LITHIUM PHOSPHATE, LBP. LITHIUM IRON PHOSPHATE IS THE IS THE. LET ME BACK UP. WE HAVEN'T SELECTED A TECHNOLOGY PROVIDER FOR THIS PROJECT YET. WHAT YOU SAW IN THE THREE OF THE FOUR PICTURES HERE IS OUR GREEN RIVER ENERGY CENTER PROJECT. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON TODAY IN EMERY COUNTY, WHICH WILL COME ONLINE THIS SPRING. AND THOSE ARE TESLA MEGAPACK BATTERIES.

WE WOULD USE A TECHNOLOGY WE PRESUME THAT IS SIMILAR TO THAT. WE JUST HAVE NOT. WE ARE NOT IN A STAGE. THE PROJECT IS NOT READY FOR US TO BE OUT IN THE MARKET PROCURING. BUT THAT IS THE THE STATE OF THE ART IN TECHNOLOGY TODAY. THEY HAVE A LONGER LIFESPAN. THEY HAVE BETTER, YOU KNOW, BETTER SAFETY RATINGS THAN EARLIER GENERATION PROJECTS. THEY ARE MORE COST COMPETITIVE. THEY'RE MORE STABLE. YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE ON A PLANE. OH, NO. SO WILL WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS? IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALSO RIGHT BY OUR FOOT. YOU ARE BY THE FOOT. YOU'RE IN THE FOOTHILLS. SORRY. YOU ARE. WE HAVE INITIATED DISCUSSIONS WITH YOUR NEW FIRE CHIEF, AND WOULD EXPECT TO WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS, WHERE WE WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT EXISTING ASSETS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHAT ASSETS ALREADY EXIST, WHAT WOULD BE AUGMENTED, AND WHAT WE WOULD COME IN AND PARTNER UP.

SO YOU WOULD HELP PAY FOR WHAT IS NEEDED FOR YOUR SITE. YOU WOULD EXPECT TO DO THAT. YEAH.

YES. THANK YOU. THE SIZE OF THESE, THESE LOOK LIKE BASIC SORT OF ALMOST A ONE STORY KIND OF THING IS THAT THEY'RE ABOUT THE SIZE OF A SHIPPING CONTAINER. OKAY. ABOUT YEAH.

YEAH. THE TESLA MEGAPACKS AGAIN EACH THERE'S I MEAN THERE'S A, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT THAT MANUFACTURE AND SELL THESE. THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN DIFFERENT SPECIFICATIONS, BUT THEY'RE MOSTLY ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF A SHIPPING CONTAINER TO, TO GIVE YOU A KIND OF A. SO WE WEREN'T GETTING TWO STORY BATTERIES. AND WHAT THE THE HIGHEST BATTERY WE KNOW OF TODAY IS 12FT TALL. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU DO TO PREVENT GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION? WELL, THEY'RE FULLY CONTAINED. SO MAYBE AN EXAMPLE OF THIS. THESE ARE ON THEY'RE RAISED UP ON FOOTINGS FOR THE GREEN RIVER ENERGY CENTER PROJECT. THEY'RE FULLY CONTAINED. SO THERE IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE ANY RISK OF LEACHING OR GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION. IT JUST TO ME LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON GRAVEL. MAYBE IT'S NOT. WHAT. YEAH.

THESE ONES HAVE A LIKE A GRAVEL SKIRT AROUND THEM. FOR THIS PROJECT, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE HAVING A CONCRETE PAD UNDERNEATH THE THE EACH ONE OF THE SOLID SURFACE. AND HOW

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AGAIN, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN HOMES. IT WOULD STILL BE TEN FEET. BUT JUST WHERE THAT LOT LINE GOES, GOES, IT ALLOWS FOR SEVEN AND THREE. WE WOULD STILL PROBABLY DO FIVE AND FIVE IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS. AND WHEN YOU GO OUT TO DRY CREEK HIGHLAND, IT HAS SIMILAR ALLOWANCES. AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE TIMES ON THOSE SMALL HOMES WE'RE NOT DOING, WE TRY NOT TO DO FENCING ANYWAYS SO THAT BOTH USERS CAN GET TO THEIR BACKYARD. AND WE DON'T HAVE A DIVIDING FENCE DOWN THE MIDDLE. I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SEVEN AND THREE.

I FEEL LIKE IT MAKES ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY USEFUL. WHEREFORE NEITHER SIDE WAS USEFUL. THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S THE INTENT. THAT'S THE DESIGN IDEA BEHIND THE INTENT. WHERE WE'VE USED IT IN OTHER PLACES, IT'S WORKED FAIRLY WELL. ANY OTHER FEEDBACK WE HAVE ON THIS THAT WE CAN DO WELL? MY OTHER COMMENTS I WAS LOOKED AT THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ZONE AND LOOKED UP THE LAND USE TABLE. IT'S ONLY IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ZONE. THERE ISN'T A HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING USE TABLE. YEAH, AND MANUFACTURING GENERAL IS A PERMITTED USE, WHICH MEANS IF RYDER WANTS TO BUILD, I DON'T KNOW, MOVING TRUCKS OR SOMETHING. AND WE DON'T THINK THAT'S HIGH TECH. TOO BAD MANUFACTURING GENERAL IS PERMITTED. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING, THEN I'M GOING TO WANT TO SEE IN THE MDA OR SOMEWHERE A DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT IS AND WHAT IT WILL NOT BE, BECAUSE THE USES AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING PENDING THIS REZONE ARE NOT HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING.

UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW ME SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT I CAN'T DISCLOSE ALL OF THEM.

RIGHT. THAT'S NOT THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE PACKAGING AND AND MOVING TRUCKS ARE NOT HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING. IT'S NOT WHAT WE NOT WHAT WE MAY I JUST SAY YEAH REAL QUICK THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WE HAVE DONE THIS IN ANOTHER AREA AND AND BY BEING OVERLY SPECIFIC I TOTALLY GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. TOTALLY APPRECIATE IT. IT HAS KILLED OUR PROJECT. SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED THIS, YOUR BUSINESS CASE IS NOT THE CITY COUNCIL'S UNDERSTOOD. BUT I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THAT WHEN WE STARTED THIS BECAUSE WE INITIALLY DID THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, LIKE GARDNER REALLY WANTS TO START IT AND WE WANT THERE TO BE HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING, WANT THERE TO BE JOBS, WE WANT THERE TO BE DATA CENTERS. WE WANT THERE TO BE ALL THE THINGS THAT BRING ALL THE MONEY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A GREAT WEST, THE BEST. JORDAN, AS THE MAYOR WAS JUST SAYING. BUT I JUST WOULD CAUTION THAT JUST OUR MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IF WE GET UBER SPECIFIC BY WHO AND WHO CAN'T COME, WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JACOBS. AND WHAT HE WAS SAYING, THOUGH, IT'S WE CAN ONLY VOTE ON WHAT YOU TELL US. SURE. AND WHAT YOU'VE TOLD US IS CARDBOARD BOXES AND MOVING TRUCKS AND MOVING TRUCKS. THAT'S WHAT WE VOTE ON. PLEASE DON'T LATCH ON TO ONE EXPERIENCE. NO, NO, BUT WE'RE LATCHING ON IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD US. SO DON'T TELL US NOT TO LATCH ON IT. AND DON'T GIVE US ONE THING IS WHAT WE'RE KIND OF SAYING.

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JUST THINGS YOU DON'T WANT. YEAH, YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING AFTER THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.

HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING IS NOT DEFINED. YEAH. WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF LET'S NOT USE THE EXAMPLES PROVIDED. LET'S USE DANNON YOGURT. WHO STINKS UP THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY.

WE WOULD LOVE TO WALK YOU THROUGH WASATCH ELECTRIC. IT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A GREAT USE. WASATCH ELECTRIC MAY QUALIFY AS HIGH. AND THEY ARE $1 BILLION COMPANY AND THEY'RE FANTASTIC PEOPLE. IT'S A GREAT ADDITION TO THIS, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT TALKING TO HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING OR SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SEE AS HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING, BUT I AM SAYING THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO STOP THERE UNDER THE CURRENT CODE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO LIMIT YOURSELF BASED ON OUR CODE. AND BECAUSE IT'S A PERMITTED USE, IT'S NOT EVEN CONDITIONAL. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO COME AND ASK FOR PERMISSION. YOU CAN JUST GO AHEAD. AND ONCE THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE IS, IS IS AGREED ON THERE.

YEAH, IT'S CARTE BLANCHE. AND I'M SAYING IF IT'S HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CALLING IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION TO US, TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS. AND IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A PACKAGING COMPANY OR DANNON OR SOMETHING ELSE, I LOVE HAVING DANNON IN THE CITY, DON'T GET ME WRONG. BUT THEY IT COMES WITH SIDE EFFECTS. YEAH. AND IF OUR GOAL HERE IS TO SAY RESEARCH PARK SOMETHING HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING, SOMETHING THAT HAS A CONNOTATION TO IT, WHEN YOU SHOW US ELEVATIONS OF THESE OFFICE COMMERCIAL KIND OF MANUFACTURING BUILDINGS AND THEN WE GET SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THAT BUT IS PERMITTED FOR SURE, WE NEED TO THAT SAFEGUARD NEEDS TO GO IN NOW. YEAH. NOT IN THE FUTURE. SO SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US NOW IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR MEMBERS WHO ARE READY TO GO AND MOVE FORWARD ON A PLAN THEY HAVE HERE. YEAH. WELL PENDING THAT DEFINITION. YEAH. I MEAN, CONSIDERING THAT PLAN HAS TO COME BACK TO US ANYWAY, I'M I'M OKAY WITH THE USES AS THEY'RE SET OUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE DEFINED. OKAY. SO SO WITH A DEFINITION THEN OF THE HIGH TECH AND SORT OF THE ASSURANCE THAT THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING FOR ON THAT STATE. DO I HAVE FOUR. YEAH. IF IT FALLS APART BASED ON WHAT OUR DEFINITION OF HIGH TECH ENDS UP BEING. YEAH. I MEAN, MAYBE WE NEED TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT A NEW PROJECT. I'M COOL WITH THE DEFINITION BEING SAID, SO THAT THAT'S THE FOUR OF YOU THAT ARE GOOD WITH THIS BUBBLE PLAN, WITH THE DEFINITION FOR HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING. I WANT TO BE ON RECORD THAT I DO NOT FEEL THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR BATTERY FARM. I DON'T LIKE BATTERY FARM THERE, AND I DON'T FEEL THAT BRINGS IN THE JOBS THAT THAT WE WERE HOPING FOR. IT'S JUST IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN JUST HAVING A SOLAR FARM THERE. YOU HAVE A HANDFUL OF EMPLOYEES THAT LOOK OVER IT. IT JUST. IT'S NOT WHAT I THOUGHT WAS ENVISIONED FOR THE DIFFERENT THAN THE FACEBOOK DATA CENTER THAT WE DIDN'T. SO THEN I WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT YOUR DEFINITION BEING MORE JOBS FOR SURE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE MORE JOBS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. YEAH. THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE BATTERY FARM ON THE CITY IS MASSIVE. ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE IMPACT CAN BE MASSIVE TOO IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG. SO NO, AND I WON'T ARGUE THAT. YEAH, BUT I FEEL LIKE. WE SHOULDN'T OVERLOOK THAT. THE BENEFITS THAT THE BATTERY AND I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE BATTERY FARM MOVING DOWN TO THE SOUTH. AND I WOULD ALSO PREFER THAT THEY'VE GOT THEIR REASONS. YEAH, I KNOW IT MAKES IT HARDER TO BUILD AND I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THOSE REASONS. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD MIX THE WHOLE DEAL IF WE SAID IT CAN'T GO THERE. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY PREFER IT IN THE SOMEWHERE IN THAT 120, 25 ACRES WOULD BE FOR SURE MORE, MORE PREFERABLE TO ME. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S THERE'S THINGS AFLOAT THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. AND SO IF THAT'S GOING TO KILL THE DEAL, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. THEY'RE BOTH CURRENTLY THEY'RE BOTH THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. AND THEY BOTH HAVE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL. YEAH THAT'S TRUE.

ONE MAKES SENSE FOR THE AND WHEN YOU LOOK WEST, WHEN YOU LOOK WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, IT'S HIGH INTENSITY USE JUST LIKE YOU DESCRIBED HIGH INTENSITY USE. IT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MIX WITH RESIDENTIAL. IT'S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT WHEN YOU START

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I THINK WE HAVE WE GOT A LITTLE POINT OF REFERENCE HERE, SCOTT, IF THIS GOES THROUGH AS SHOWN HERE, AND IF I HEARD CORRECTLY, THIS HAS A SHELF LIFE IN THE MDA. DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO CONSIDER A REVERSIONARY CLAUSE THAT IF THIS USE WERE TO GO AWAY, I PUT THAT PROVISION THAT ALLOWED IT ALLOWS IT TO GO BACK TO RESIDENTIAL. PERFECT. OKAY. BASED ON THE COLOR OF YOUR SHIRT, LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF HIGH TECH, HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. ALL MANUFACTURING ON SCOTT'S SHIRT. ALL RIGHT THEN. OKAY, I THINK WE CAN WE CAN MOVE ON WITH A LOT OF TIME THERE AND SOUTHWEST COMMERCIAL. YEAH. NOT GOING TO MOVE ON TO

[b. Discussion of Proposed Rezone for the Barber Estates Development, Located at 7401 South 5490 West]

BARBARA ESTATES PROPERTY IS LOCATED THERE IN THE RED. IT'S JUST OFF 5490 WEST. THIS IS NORTH OF 70 AND SOUTH OF THE HIGHLAND LANDING DEVELOPMENT. CURRENT ZONING HERE IS RR 1D.

THESE ARE ONE ACRE LOTS. YOU SEE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. WE HAVE OUR 1D TO THE NORTH AND NORTH AND EAST ACROSS THE STREET TO THE WEST WE HAVE A ONE AND THEN LOCATED SOUTH OF OUR 112 OVER 12,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. PROPOSED ZONING HERE, AS I MENTIONED, IS R1 NINE. FUTURE LAND USE MAP HERE IS VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, SO THAT ALLOWS UP TO THREE UNITS PER ACRE. R1 NINE IS ONE OF THE ZONES THAT IS ALLOWED WITHIN THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION. IT HAS PROVIDED A CONCEPT PLAN TO GO WITH THE REZONING REQUEST. AND SO STAFF WOULD LIKE TO JUST GET A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS AS THIS MOVES FORWARD. IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, WE FEEL LIKE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE AT THIS. WE DON'T TYPICALLY LIKE TO DO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH R1 ZONES BECAUSE OUR STANDARD ZONES, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY ISSUES WITH THIS, WITH INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE THAT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF THE CITY SAFEGUARDING ITSELF. WE SHOULD HAVE THESE THINGS CODIFIED IN THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THINGS THAT WE AS STAFF FEEL LIKE SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN. THAT IS ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION

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THAT 15 IS NOT DEVELOPED CURRENTLY. RIGHT. CORRECT. RIGHT. SEE IT'S GOING IN OKAY I SOUTH OF HIGHLAND. YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON ON THAT BETWEEN HIGHLANDS LOOP AND 78. THAT'S FILLING IN REALLY FAST WHICH IS GREAT AND EVERYTHING. BUT DEDICATING THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PARCEL AS PUBLIC MAKES A LITTLE PUBLIC ROAD ISLAND. IT DOESN'T BY PUBLIC. I CAN ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. I HAVE SOME SLIDES, BUT IT WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE THAT WAY. SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE THOSE SLIDES. RIGHT. SO RIGHT HERE DEVELOPER IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS FOR THEM TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEY RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF 5490 WEST, INCLUDING THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. SO WE HAVE TWO DEVELOPMENTS HERE WHICH CAME THROUGH PREVIOUSLY. THEY DEDICATED PROPERTY ON THEIR SIDE AND THEY PUT SOME MONEY IN LIEU OF DEVELOPMENT. THEY PUT IT WITH THE CITY, NOT THE PIONEERING AGREEMENT I'M TRYING TO. FUTURE A NEW FUTURE. SO WE HAVE SOME MONEY FROM THEM. WHAT WAS THE COST OF THE TIME? MONEY IS OBVIOUSLY NOT AS WORTH AS MUCH NOW, SO THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN DEDICATED. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE IS 5490. IF THIS IS TO BE APPROVED, BE CONSTRUCTED, CURB TO CURB. THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS THE SIDE THAT HAS HAD THOSE PREVIOUS PROJECTS DEDICATE THAT PROPERTY, WOULD ALSO NEED THE SIDEWALK AND PARK. STRIP ENGINEERING IS OKAY WITH THAT WEST SIDE BEING CONSTRUCTED JUST TO THE CURB. AND THEN WHEN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN THERE, THEY COULD DO THE SIDEWALK AND PARK STRIP. HOWEVER, THAT WOULD STILL REQUIRE SOME PROPERTY ACQUISITION ON THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT QUITE ENOUGH ROOM THERE FOR FROM THE FARM. AND SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT. THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN OUR TOWN HALL MEETING WAS YOU HAVE AN EGRESS FROM THIS ONTO A PRIVATE ROAD. YOU HAVE A PUBLIC SECONDARY EGRESS ONTO A WHAT IS A PRIVATE ROAD. YES. AND SO WHAT THIS WOULD REQUIRE TO HAPPEN IS THE PUBLIC ROAD ENDS RIGHT HERE WOULD REQUIRE THE PUBLIC ROAD TO BE IMPROVED TO HERE. SO YOU

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IT'S A PROJECT IMPROVEMENT. IT'S NOT EVEN ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEES. SO IT WOULD BE UP TO THE PROJECT OWNER AND DEVELOPER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN FOR THIS TO BE. THAT WAS ONE THING THAT I HEARD. I MEAN, THERE WERE SEVERAL CONCERNS IN THAT IN THAT MEETING. WE WERE THERE FOR A COUPLE HOURS. RIGHT. BUT ONE OF THEM WAS HAVING HAVING A PRIVATE ROAD BE THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO A TO A PUBLIC ROAD, AND THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK. SO UNLESS YOU ALLOW ALL THOSE PEOPLE TO BE PRIVATE ROAD OWNERS TO. SO YEAH. ANYWAY, THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS ONE OF MY LARGEST CONCERNS. THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS THAT ARE THAT WOULD COME UP IN THE MDA PROCESS, WHICH I GUESS WE'RE NOT THERE YET. RIGHT. QUESTION MARK. YES. THE LAST TWO THINGS WE WANTED TO THAT WE'D WANT TO HAVE CODIFIED IN MDA WOULD BE PROTECTION STRIPS ARE NOT ALLOWED. I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE DETECTION STRIPS ARE NASTY LITTLE THINGS THAT HAPPEN OCCASIONALLY WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER WILL SAY LIKE A FOOT NEXT TO THE ROAD. THAT WAY, WHEN SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE COMES TO, OH, THEY CAN EXTORT THEM, THEY CAN'T PUT THEIR DRIVEWAY THROUGH BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT. AND NOT FAR FROM HERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THAT HAPPENED. SO WE DON'T LIKE THOSE TO HAPPEN. I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED THAT AT ALL, BUT IT'S HAPPENED IN OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY. WE DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH THAT. AND THEN BECAUSE THE R1 NINE ZONE COULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW DEVELOPMENT HIGHER THAN A THREE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH WOULD THEN REQUIRE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT, WE WOULD SAY IF WE COULD GO AHEAD WITH THIS, WE WANT TO DEFINE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS IN THE CONCERN I HAVE. SO I GUESS I'D ADDRESS IT. YEAH. WHY ASK FOR A 9000 SQUARE FOOT LOT WHEN ALL YOUR LOTS ARE OVER TEN? I BELIEVE THE REASON FOR THAT THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO IT, BUT I BELIEVE THE REASON IS THEY PREFER THE SETBACKS IN THE R1. OH SETBACK ISSUE. YEAH.

WELL IN THE. MBA YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MAYBE PATRICK OR JOSHUA. I DON'T KNOW, ONE OF YOU, ONE OF YOU GUYS MAYBE TAYLOR. IF I, I DON'T REMEMBER IN 13 YEARS DOING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON A EUCLIDEAN ZONE. ON A WHAT ZONE? EUCLIDEAN R1 AND R1 TEN, WHERE ALL THE SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING ARE ALREADY SPELLED OUT IN CODE.

SO WHEN YOU PUT AN R1 SOMETHING ZONE ON IT, YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO IN AND SAY, BUT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE DOING THESE SETBACKS OR WE'RE DOING THIS THING OR WHATEVER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER SEEN 1 IN 13 YEARS. IT IS UNCOMMON THE STATE, THE STATE HAS CHANGED SOME OF THE REGULATIONS WITH, WITH AND IT WENT OFF IN 13, NOT MAYBE A YEAR AGO OR SO, ABOUT 9300 SOUTH, A LITTLE INFILL SUBDIVISION AND THAT THAT HAD A LITTLE IT WAS DEALING WITH SOME OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WENT ALONG WITH THAT R1 TEN OR WHATEVER THAT WAS. BUT COUNCILMAN, YOU'RE RIGHT. TYPICALLY EUCLIDEAN ZONE DOES NOT HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. YOU PLAY WITH THE RULES OF THE GAME THAT IS ESTABLISHED IN CODE. BUT IF THERE ARE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, KIND OF LIKE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE, THEN IT'S A TOOL THAT THE COUNCIL CAN USE. OKAY, IF WE CAN USE IT, BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME OTHER CONCERNS BROUGHT UP IN THAT TOWN HALL MEETING THAT I THOUGHT COULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

ONE OF THEM WAS THE SETBACKS OF THE LOTS ON THE SORRY THE I FORGET THE SCREEN DOESN'T MATCH THAT SCREEN THAT'S IN THE OTHER ROOM. I'M LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT PLAN. OKAY. THE HOMES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS ONE CONCERN WAS BROUGHT UP TO HAVE THE SETBACKS BEHIND THOSE HOMES BE LARGER, TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF A NON-HOME BUFFER WITH THE HORSE PROPERTY AND THE THE ANIMAL PROPERTY THAT EXISTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS. THE LARGER LOTS THAT HAVE HAVE ANIMALS OR CAN'T HAVE ANIMALS. YOU GUYS HAVE ANIMALS, RIGHT? THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THAT TOWN HALL. AND I THOUGHT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE HARD TO FIGURE INTO. YOU KNOW, YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, TEN MORE FEET OR 15 MORE FEET OR SOMETHING ON THOSE SLOTS. AND IF THAT REQUIRES A TWEAKING OF A ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'M OKAY. I'M OKAY. IF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS ALL THE PIECES IN IT THAT WE'RE, THAT WE DISCUSSED. I MEAN, I'LL EVEN APPROVE YOUR R19 AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS AND YOU HAVE ALL THE SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE IN THERE THAT ARE THE WAY

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AND SO WE ENCOMPASSED THAT AND INCORPORATED THAT TO INCLUDE YOUR ISLAND DISCUSSION AND CONCERN. AND SO WE BROUGHT THAT BACK TO OUR ENGINEERS. SAID, WHAT CAN WE INCORPORATE TO MAKE THIS BETTER? AND THAT'S WHAT I GOT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. AND SO I THINK WE DID THAT. AND THEN YOUR YOUR DIRECTION, I BELIEVE, WAS TO COME BACK HERE, TO COME BACK HERE AND MEET WITH THE I DID SUGGEST THAT YOU COME TO A COMMITTEE OF. YEAH. SO OUR INTENT WAS TO BRING BACK THOSE CHANGES TO THE COMMITTEE AND PRESENT THAT AND SAY, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? CAN WE FIND COMMON GROUND IN ALIGNMENT HERE? HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND COMMON GROUND. I'M NOT SURE WE'RE THERE YET. DEPEND ON WHAT THE MBA SAYS RIGHT THERE. AND I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS SOME THINGS. THE YOUR CONCERN WITH THE ISLAND. I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THAT THROUGH THE SOUTH ENTRANCE AND DO AN EASEMENT FOR FUTURE ACCESS. AND IT PROBABLY BE FLAG LOTS IF THIS CHANGES OWNERSHIP INTO A THIRD PARTY. THAT'S NOT THE BARBERS. DOES THAT REMOVE THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS? MEANING THEY COULDN'T DEVELOP THAT UNLESS THIS THIRD PARTY ALSO CAME IN? DOES THAT. THAT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE BECAUSE TO RESTRICT THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS, BECAUSE THE OTHER PARCEL IS NOT INCLUDED, IF IT MOVES INTO OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWNERSHIP, LET'S SAY IT SELLS TO A THIRD PARTY THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM OR PERSONALLY OR THEIR FAMILY. COULD THEIR PROPERTY NOT DEVELOP THEN, UNLESS THE THIRD PARTY AGREES TO SELL THEIR HOUSE AND REDEVELOP IT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY ARGUMENT TO NEGATE THE ISLAND CONCERN, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE SOMEONE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE GOING TO GET KIND OF NEGATED HERE UNLESS THAT OTHER PIECE COMES WITH IT, AND IF THEY DON'T OWN IT. OR YOU COULD EXPLAIN TO THE BARBERS THAT THE WAY THAT THEY CAN SELL THIS PROPERTY IS SELL IT ALL SO THAT WE DON'T LEAVE AN ISLAND. I KNOW HE DOESN'T WANT TO, BUT IF HE KNOWS THAT'S HIS ONLY OPTION, THERE WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY THEY COULD REZONE IT, AND THEN IT COULD BE A SINGLE LOT WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, AND THEN POTENTIALLY THAT LOT COULD BE SUBDIVIDED OR REDEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE. SO THERE'S NO REASON WHY THEY COULDN'T GO BACK, GO BACK TO WHY THEY COULDN'T SQUARE THIS OFF, REZONE IT ALL TO WHATEVER ZONE IT IS. AND THEN IN THE PLAT, IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, GO BACK TO THE CONCEPT PLAN HAVE. AN

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CONNECT TO IT. YEAH, JUST LIKE WE HAVE WE HAVE HOUSES ON REDWOOD ROAD THAT CURRENTLY HAVE DRIVEWAYS ONTO REDWOOD, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE VERY LARGE. AND WHEN THEY REDEVELOP TO GET LIKE TWO LOTS THERE, WE REQUIRE THEM TO GET RID OF THAT ACCESS ONTO REDWOOD. AND THEN THEY HAVE TO ACCESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS INSTEAD. AND THIS COULD, THAT COULD BE IF THAT LOT WAS SUBDIVIDED, YOU COULD ACCESS IT OFF OF THAT SOUTHERN, THE SOUTH. YOU KNOW, WE COULD EVEN ENVISION BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LOT WE COULD DO LIKE A PROJECTED EASEMENT THROUGH THERE TO SAY THAT'S FUTURE EXPANSION FOR ANOTHER LOT DOWN THE ROAD DEVELOPS 2 OR 3, 2 OR 3, PROBABLY BLACK MONTHS. YEAH. IT'S WHEN YOU COME OFF THAT BOTTOM STUB AND THAT WOULD AVOID FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ONTO 5490 ACCESS, INCLUDING THE MDA THAT WHEN THAT REDEVELOPS AND ACCESS ALONG REDWOOD 54 YOU HAVE TO GO AWAY AND. IT'S VERY LONG ACCESS, I THINK I THINK WITH THAT IDEA I COULD GET ON BOARD WITH IT. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YEAH, THAT ONE'S NOT GOING TO BE A MAKE IT OR BREAK IT FOR ME, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS? I WILL JUST TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN R1 12 AND AN R1 NINE SETBACKS.

WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THEY GETTING? IT'S ABOUT FIVE FEET SHORTER IN THE FRONT, SO YOU HAVE BIGGER BACKYARD? NO, THE BACKYARD SETBACK I DON'T BELIEVE IS DIFFERENT. BUT THEN R1 NINE I THINK IT'S 25FT FROM THE FRONT SETBACK WHERE R1 12 IT'S 30FT OR MAYBE IT'S 30 AND 35. BUT WHAT ABOUT R1 TEN? BECAUSE NONE OF THOSE ARE SMALLER THAN R1 TEN, SO IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT FIVE FEET FROM THE FRONT. SETBACK IS THE DIFFERENCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A 22 FOOT DRIVEWAY. SO CORRECT STAFF'S PREFERENCE IS IT SO THEY CAN BUILD BIGGER HOMES. STAFF'S PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR THOSE TO BE R1 AND R1 12 ALONG THE ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN TRANSITION TO A NINE, ONE, TEN OR R1 NINE INTERNALLY IN THE PROJECT. BUT IT'S NOT STAFF'S PROJECT. YEAH, I DON'T LOVE WHAT WE'VE GOT. THAT'S WHAT I'LL SAY. I DON'T LOVE THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE R1 NINE. I DON'T LOVE THAT THAT, THAT YEAH, I DON'T LOVE THAT. WE'RE ASKING FOR R1 NINE. WHEN WHEN ALL OF THE LOTS ARE BIGGER THAN THAT. BECAUSE BECAUSE IT DOES IT DOES DO THAT. IF WHAT WE HEAR WHAT YOU'LL HEAR WHEN TAYLOR OR ONE OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PEOPLE COME TO US AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL, THIS ISN'T R1 NINE AND THIS ISN'T R1 TEN AND THIS IS A A SOMETHING ELSE. AND SO IT FITS BECAUSE IT'S THERE. YEAH, IT'S PRECEDENTS THAT IT SETS. AND, AND IN THAT AREA THE OTHER HOMES ARE A LOT LARGER. SO WE'RE WE'RE STARTING TO DOWNSIZE THAT. AS A COUNCIL MEMBER SAID ONE OF THE NICEST AREAS IN THE CITY. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THEY COULD DO IT. MAYBE I COULD GO TO R1 TEN, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THEY COULD DO THAT. I THINK THEY COULD. AND AND COUNCIL MEMBER JACOBS POINT WE NEED BIGGER BACKYARDS. ANYWAY, ABUTTING THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST. THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH DOCKS TOO. WE ADJUST THE WHAT'S THE LOT WIDTH IS FIVE FEET. SO IT'S A LOT TO ADJUST THE ZONING.

TO MAKE SMALLER SETBACKS ON THE R1 AND R1 12. NO, IT'S A LOT. SO I MISSPOKE. IT'S NOT THE THE DEATH OF THE SETBACKS. IT'S HOW WIDE THE LOTS ARE. SO YOU CAN HAVE NARROWER LOTS OF R1 THAN.

SO THEN YOU HAVE LESS PARKING IN THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. SO THEN YOU HAVE PARKING ISSUES.

SO THE COUNCIL BE OPEN TO GROSS DENSITY. IS THAT OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR DISCUSSION? YOU KNOW, LIKE BELLA ESTATES AND THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT, IF WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THE SAME DENSITIES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2.1 AND 2.43, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT, YOUR DENSITIES ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME. AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME LOOK AND FEEL. ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU FOLLOW ALONG LINES WITH THE SAME SETBACKS, BECAUSE THEY'VE

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IT'S NOT THE SETBACK. OH NEVER MIND. TAYLOR WAS WRONG, I HAVEN'T. WELL THEN I THINK I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK. THEN IF WE PUT IT TO THE R1 12, DO I HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE GOOD WITH THAT, WITH SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT WITH THE AGREEMENT.

RIGHT. THAT'S OKAY. R1 NINE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AGAIN THE DEVELOPMENT. THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS ON THIS ONE. RIGHT. BUT R1 TEN GET YOU THERE. I'M R1 12 WITH THE ROAD THING. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. I'D BE FINE WITH R1 TEN AGAIN. DO WE WANT IT IN. LOOK DO I HAVE FOUR WHO ARE GOOD WITH R1. TEN'S WITH THE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? I THINK I'M OKAY WITH IT. R1 TEN SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE ONLY GOT THREE. YEAH. SO I'M LOOKING FOR THE 12 OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT. SO THEN THE FOUR WE GOT AGREEMENT ON. THEN MR. JENSEN IS ON THE R1 12 WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THE ROADS ARE NAILED DOWN. THE ONE THAT PULLED UP. YEAH I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT NAILS IN THE ROAD.

REALLY LONG NAILS. I FEEL THAT THAT'S GOOD TO WORK ON. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR WORK. ALL SIX OF YOU FOR R1. 1201 12 I THINK WAS ALL SIX OF US. SO WHAT'S THE. YEAH, IT JUST GIVES A STAFF CORRECTION. WHAT KNIVES ARE NOT SO BAD. WELL THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT BAD BUT THEY WHAT FOR WHAT? COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK POINTED OUT ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT CAN GO IN AND GO GET AN R1 NINE HERE. IT'S NOT THAT DIFFERENT TO GO. YOU KNOW WE START DOWNSIZING. I KNOW IT'S NOT A BIG THING, BUT YOU'LL SEE YOU'LL SEE IT BECOMES A SLIPPERY SLOPE AT SOME POINT. OKAY. YOU WILL YOU'LL BE AMAZED AT HOW MANY TIMES THE DEVELOPER COMES IN.

THERE ARE ONE NINES RIGHT HERE. AND R1 EIGHT IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. YOU'RE TELLING US THAT R1 IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL? I, I THINK YOU'LL GET PEOPLE TO PUSH IT DOWN. IT'S NOT DOWN. THIS IS LIKE VERY LARGE LOTS IN THIS PART OF THE CITY. WE NEED TO BE UPSET WITH THE THING THAT, OKAY, WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO LIVE, WHO GOT THE BIGGER WRENCHES ALL AROUND. YEAH, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO. YEAH. BECAUSE. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON. AND WE'VE MOVED ON FROM MR. JENSEN, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE SERVING UP ON PATRICK BOYCE. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH ITEM C.

[c. Discussion of West Jordan City Code – Title 4, Chapter 2, Article H – Massage]

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WE'RE WE'RE IN THE COURTS. AND AND AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF HIT EVERY COMMUNITY UP AND DOWN THE STATE. IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS REALLY HAD AN IMPACT. AND YOU'LL NOTICE, I MEAN, MOST OF THESE ARTICLES AND STUFF ARE FROM JUST EVEN THE THE LAST YEAR. AND IT JUST KIND OF KEEPS COMING. SO IT'S AN ISSUE WE WE WANT TO ADDRESS IT. WE WANT TO KEEP WEST JORDAN OUT OF THE HEADLINES FOR STUFF LIKE THIS. AND SO IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT KIND OF HELPS BRING IT BRING IT UP. RECENT STUDY ESTIMATES UTAH HAS SEEN 10% INCREASE IN ILLICIT MASSAGE BUSINESSES STATEWIDE. ABOUT 150 SUCH LOCATIONS CURRENTLY OPERATING AROUND THE STATE. THIS IS FROM A NEWS ARTICLE RECENTLY. I JUST STUCK IT IN THERE FOR MAINLY THE SECOND KIND OF THIRD PARAGRAPHS. HERE THEY WERE INTERVIEWING MASSAGE THERAPISTS ABOUT THE NEW CHANGES. I THINK WE'VE TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AVOIDING STIGMATIZING LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES. RIGHT.

AND WE WANT TO DO THAT. AND I THINK THIS WAS A GREAT COMMENT FROM MISS DANNER, WHO SAYS THAT ACTUALLY HAVING THESE INCREASED REGULATIONS FROM THE STATE, SHE FEELS WILL HELP PEOPLE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE COMING FOR LEGITIMATE MASSAGE SERVICES. THEY WANT TO BE PROFESSIONAL.

THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL. AND SO IT'S JUST PART OF THAT. PREVIOUSLY, WHEN WHEN I WAS HERE, THE COUNCIL ON ON MANY ISSUES, BUT ON THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR SAID THAT WE WANT TO KEEP UP TO DATE WITH STATE CODE. I HAD HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH EVEN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY WHO ARE EXPERIENCING THE SAME THING AND HAVE SHARED OUR IDEAS. I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO TO SEE SOME OF THOSE ADOPTED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY CALIFORNIA, TEXAS, NEW JERSEY, ETC. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I IN YOUR PACKET, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY DRAFT CODE. I'VE GONE AHEAD AND INCORPORATED WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, BUT I'VE ALSO INCORPORATED JUST A FEW THINGS FROM THE STATE. SO WE'VE GOT EXEMPTIONS RIGHT FOR DOCTORS, CHIROPRACTORS. THAT'S IN THE STATE CODE. WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE CITY CODE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALLOW FOR THAT PROHIBITING UNLAWFUL AND UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT. THOSE ARE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE DEFINED BY STATE CODE. WE SIMPLY REFERENCE BACK TO THEM AS WELL. WE REQUIRE PROPER LICENSING FROM THE STATE. STATE AND AND SO WE MIRROR WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVING FROM THE STATE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL MASSAGE THERAPY PROVIDERS. WE'RE ALSO REQUIRING THE SAME LICENSING THAT THEY'RE GETTING FOR THE STATE, FOR THE MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS THEMSELVES. WE'RE REQUIRING THE DISPLAY OF THE LICENSE, SAME AS THE STATE. THIS IS SOMETHING NEW THAT THE STATE HAS IMPLEMENTED. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S THIS RESTRICTION ON AN ESTABLISHMENT GOING RIGHT BACK IN WHERE IT'S JUST BEEN REVOKED FROM THE STATE'S, IMPLEMENTED A TWO YEAR PROHIBITION, WHERE WE'RE SIMPLY MIRRORING THE SAME THING THAT THEY'VE DONE. THE TWO THAT WE'VE ADDED ON THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY ARE JUST LIMITED BUSINESS HOURS AND AN OPAQUE WINDOW COVERINGS.

THOSE ARE THOSE ARE TWO AREAS THAT WE WOULD ADD THAT THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE. SO WE HAVE OPAQUE COVERAGE DEFINED. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. NOT NOT IN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CODE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER REGULATED SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WELL, THE THING THAT COMES TO

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SO IS IT OPAQUE? IS IT NOT OPAQUE? WELL, IT'S KIND OF OPAQUE BUT IT'S GOT HOLES IN IT.

SO IF YOU LOOK THROUGH A HOLE IT'S OPAQUE MAYBE LIKE THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. YEAH. I HAVE NO IDEA BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE INSIDE, BUT. WELL BUT BUT THE, BUT THE VISUAL THAT'S PROBABLY GOT LIKE LITTLE HOLES PIERCED THROUGH THAT ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT TO COME THROUGH, BUT AND ALLOWS YOU TO SEE OUT AND ALLOWS YOU TO SEE OUT. YEAH.

YEAH. YEAH. SO SO IT HAS TO BE OPAQUE. MAYBE IT'S OPAQUE TO THE OUTSIDE, I, I DON'T CARE. I DON'T REALLY LOVE THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION MYSELF AND AS YOU KNOW FROM PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GET HUNG UP ON IT. BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS DEFINED. WE NEED TO DEFINE IT. I MIGHT HAVE TO BE MIGHT HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IN FROM THE OUTSIDE.

YEAH. YOU HAVE TO SEE IN FROM THE OUTSIDE. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. RIGHT. YEAH. BECAUSE LIKE ALSO I COULD SEE A LEGITIMATE MASSAGE PLACE PUTTING A, YOU KNOW, WHEN I HAD A RETAIL STORE, WE USED TO HAVE THE PAINTER COME ALONG AND PAINT THE SANTA CLAUSE ON THE WINDOW FOR, YOU KNOW, THE HOLLY BERRIES AND STUFF FOR CHRISTMAS TIME. NOW THAT'S OPAQUE, BUT IT'S NOT COVERING THE WINDOW, BUT IT IS ON THE WINDOW, SO IT'S COVERING PART OF THE WINDOW. SO AGAIN, JUST DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. YEAH. GOOD POINT. PRIVACY MASSAGE. YEAH.

YEAH. FOR YOUR AREA IS SHALL WE SAY THAT WE HAVE A SOLID WALL. YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE AN OPAQUE WINDOW. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT THE. SO I THINK WE'RE ALL GOOD CERTAINLY FOLLOWING THE STATE GUIDELINES, THE LIMITED BUSINESS HOURS. THAT WAS ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE THING THAT WE'VE GOT FROM 6 A.M. TO 10 P.M. WE DID HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE CLIENTS WHO COME TO THEM VERY LATE AT NIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. WITH THEM. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER, I CAN'T REMEMBER. I THINK THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE 6 TO 10 I THINK IS WHAT WE CHOSE. I THINK I WAS GETTING TO A QUESTION OF WAS DID WE ARRIVE ON THAT NUMBER BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE. SO I ACTUALLY INCREASED IT AN HOUR EACH WAY. INITIALLY WHEN I CAME AND PRESENTED IT, I HAD LIKE 7 TO 9. AND SO WE DID HAVE A COUPLE MASSAGE THERAPISTS THAT HAD COME AND SPOKE AT THE LAST ONE AND TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE COMING BEFORE WORK OR LATE AFTER WORK, AND SO KIND OF GAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER. BUT WHATEVER THE COUNCIL FEELS, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THAT. I MEAN, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO STOP SOMEONE WHO IN THEIR BUSINESS IS STOPPING AT 3 A.M. CORRECT? YEAH, SORT OF THING.

SO IF WE THINK THAT 6 TO 10 AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE IF WE DECIDE THIS ON THIS AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE WRONG, WE CAN LOOK AT ADJUSTING IT AS JUST YOU PROBABLY NEED TO ADD ON THE AGE THAT PROHIBITS OPAQUE WINDOW COVERINGS, WHICH COVER THE ENTIRE WINDOW AND PREVENT VISIBILITY FROM THE OUTSIDE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, I CAN I CAN ADD THAT FOR SURE.

I'VE MADE A NOTE ON THERE. I CAN ADD THAT ONE. ALL RIGHT. THIS WAS MOSTLY FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN WHAT WE'VE ADDED. AGAIN THE BIG THING IS STAYING WITH THE STATE AND UPDATING OUR CODE TO MATCH WITH THEM. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE THE NEW THINGS. SO ARE WE. DO I HAVE FOUR WHO ARE GOOD WITH THIS, GOING IN WITH THE IDEA THAT WE NEED TO ADD A LITTLE MORE TO H. JUST BRING IT BACK. BRING IT BACK. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK WE'RE I JUST WANT TO COME BACK TO A COUNCIL MEETING FOR ADOPTION OR ANOTHER WORK SESSION. THIS COUNCIL MEETING, I THINK WE'RE OKAY AT THAT POINT. FROM THERE, I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF BECAUSE BAD THINGS ALSO HAPPEN IN CONVENIENCE STORES, IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT ON. WE VERY THINKING ABOUT HOT TUB STORES, BUT YOU'RE NO LONGER THERE. SO WE DECIDED TO GIVE IT UP. WE LAID OUT, ALL RIGHT THEN YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED ON THAT ONE I DO. OH WELL, THAT WAS THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO YOU WAS DO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING? WE ALSO NEED TO POINT OUT YOUR POWERPOINT GAME ON POINT WITH THE PRESENTATION. SO YEAH THAT WAS I DO HAVE SOME ANIMATIONS COMING FOR YOU SHORTLY. SO YEAH, JUST ONE I MEAN I FEEL I FEEL LIKE I LET YOU DOWN. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT SOME WHAT POINT DID YOU THINK? ALL RIGHT. NOW I HAVE ENOUGH NEWS ARTICLES I. JUST WANTED TO LEAVE, NO DOUBT. NO, YOU YOU DID. YOU DID A GOOD JOB. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE

[d. Discussion of West Jordan City Code – Title 6, Chapter 6D, Section 11 – Sale of Animals]

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SO THIS IS KIND OF AGAIN, GRAPHICS I THINK THIS IS THE, THE, THE BAND OF, OF REGULATION THAT YOU COULD KIND OF LOOK AT IN THIS AREA COMPLETELY UNRESTRAINED ON ONE SIDE, COMPLETELY PROHIBITED ON, ON THE OTHER OPTION ONE REALLY COMES IN ON ON THE FAR SIDE OF THINGS, OPTION TWO KIND OF FALLS IN THAT STRICTLY REGULATED AREA. AND OUR EXISTING CODE IS VERY PERMISSIVE BUT ALSO RESTRICTIVE IN CERTAIN REGARDS AS WELL. SO I KIND OF JUST DROPPED IT IN IN THAT AREA. BUT JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, OF WHERE THESE TWO OPTIONS KIND OF FALL, WE'VE GOT KIND OF DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS ON ON THINGS.

YOU'LL NOTICE OUR CURRENT CODE ADDRESSES THINGS LIKE FOWL AND RABBITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

DO WE WANT TO ADDRESS TURTLES. DO WE DO WE WANT TO ADDRESS CATS? DO WE WANT TO ADDRESS DOMESTIC FOWL, PIGEONS AND OTHER SORTS OF OF ANIMALS? DO WE WANT TO EXPAND THINGS TO PRIVATE PET SALES AND INDIVIDUAL BREEDERS? YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO FOLLOW THE ANIMAL WELFARE ACT? ARE WE GOING TO BE MORE STRICT THAN THE ANIMAL WELFARE ACT? ARE WE ONLY GOING TO ADDRESS DOGS TRACKING ENFORCEMENT? I'VE TALKED TO DAN MITCHELL AND I SAW HIM HERE. HE IS RIGHT BEHIND ME. WE WE DID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. HE HAS A PREFERENCE IN SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU GUYS AND JUST SOME THOUGHTS. BUT MAINLY I WANTED TO BRING THE TWO OPTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AND JUST KIND OF LET YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR PREFERENCES MIGHT BE SO THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION ON WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO GO AGAIN, KIND OF WITH, WITH THIS IDEA OF, OF DO WE WANT TO REALLY BE PROHIBITIVE OF, OF THESE SALES? DO WE WANT TO STRICTLY REGULATE IT OR DO WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S MAYBE IN BETWEEN OR MAYBE EVEN MORE UNRESTRAINED? SO THAT WAS BASICALLY WHAT I'VE GOT. I'VE GOT THOSE OPTIONS. I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP. DAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE US COME TO THE TABLE. OKAY.

COME TO THE TABLE. TAKE. ADOPTION, BLOW THE DOORS OPEN. LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS. GOOD JOB. FROM AN ANIMAL SERVICES STANDPOINT, THE GOAL MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY MAKE SOME IMPACT IN THIS AREA. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT OPTION TWO, THE ONE GLARING DETAIL THAT'S ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE IS JUST REQUIRING THE WITH THE SALE OF ANIMALS, THERE WOULD BE A USDA LICENSE REQUIRED. WITH OUR CURRENT SITUATION, A LOT OF THE ANIMALS ARE ALREADY IN THAT SITUATION. THEY'RE COMING FROM USDA LICENSED BREEDERS, SO IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE AN IMPACT IN THE CITY. NOT MUCH. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR USDA LICENSE TO BE IN PLACE IS THAT A PERSON HAS, WHEN WE'RE TALKING DOGS OR PUPPIES, THAT THERE ARE FIVE OR MORE BREEDING FEMALES IN PLACE. AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE IF THERE'S FOUR OR LESS. WHEN YOU DO HAVE A LICENSE IN PLACE.

WE'RE JUST TALKING THE MINIMUM STANDARDS. THESE AREN'T THESE AREN'T TYPICALLY LOOKED AT AS GREAT PLACES. BUT THE AVERAGE PERSON, THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE PLACES WHERE ANIMALS ARE PRODUCED TO FOR PROFIT. WHEN YOU REQUIRE THE USDA LICENSE, IT ENCOURAGES BUSINESSES TO ONLY PURCHASE ANIMALS, OBTAIN ANIMALS FROM PLACES THAT ARE LARGE ESTABLISHMENTS ALONG THE WAY. SO THE THE HOPE IS TO MOVE MORE TOWARDS MORE REGULATION WITH OPTION ONE, BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO AS A CITY, I FEEL PROMOTE THE PEOPLE, ADOPT ANIMALS INSTEAD OF SELLING PUPPIES IS THE MOST OFTEN THE CASE. SO AS A CITY WE CAN HELP THAT THAT MOVE TOWARDS ALL AGENCIES BECOMING NO KILL ANIMAL SHELTERS. THE CITY RUNS A SHELTER AND WE OF COURSE PROMOTE ADOPTIONS OVER THE PURCHASING OF PUPPIES. ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL. DO WE HAVE ANY BREEDERS OR PUPPY MILLS, I GUESS, IN WEST JORDAN? THERE ARE CERTAINLY A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BREED. YEAH, NOTHING THAT WE KNOW OF THAT WOULD MEET THE DEFINITION OF HAVING FIVE

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AND LIKELY THE ANSWER IN MOST CASES IS NO. AND SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU IF SOMEONE DOES FACE TO FACE SALES SELLING OUT OF THEIR HOME, THEY'RE ALSO EXEMPT FROM USDA REGULATIONS.

SO THERE WOULD BE NO REQUIREMENT INSPECTIONS. THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING MAYBE TO CONSIDER IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS IS, YOU KNOW, DOGS THAT ARE SOLD AT THE GROCERY STORE PARKING LOT OR THE WALMART PARKING LOT, SAM'S CLUB, SAM'S CLUB, SAM'S CLUB ALL THE TIME. YOU KNOW, THE USDA DOESN'T GOVERN THAT ANIMAL WELFARE ACT DOESN'T GOVERN THAT LIKE OUR CODE PERSON TO PERSON. IT'S. YEAH. YEAH. YEP. AND SO, YOU KNOW, HOW INVOLVED DOES THE CITY WANT TO BE IN IN TRANSACTIONS OF THESE TYPES? DO WE WANT TO REQUIRE THEM TO GET A TEMPORARY MERCHANT LICENSE THROUGH BUSINESS LICENSING? I MEAN, IF WE LOT OF PUPPIES IN PARKING LOTS, THE TAMALES WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S YOU WILL NOT PROHIBIT MY TAMALES. SOME OF THOSE TAMALES ARE PRETTY DANG GOOD. I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE WELFARE IF IT'S. YEAH, IT'S I MEAN THERE'S FOOD SAFETY ISSUES THAT THE COUNTY AND STUFF. OKAY. SORRY FOR THE SIDEBAR, BUT BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATIONS AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HELD THE HAIRLESS CATS THAT WERE AT COUNCIL MEETING A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, BUT, I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE CITY WHO ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THEIR BREEDING OPERATIONS AND AND THEIR PROGRAMS. AND SO. RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, TODAY, OUR OUR CODE REALLY DOESN'T ADDRESS IT. OUR CODE IS IS ALSO TOUGH BECAUSE WE, WE RESTRICT THE PURCHASE OF, OF DOMESTICATED FOWL UNTIL A CERTAIN AGE, WHICH FRANKLY THEY'RE NOT NEEDING ANYWAYS. RIGHT. LIKE YOU DON'T BUY CHICKENS WHEN THEY'RE 12 WEEKS OLD. OLD YOU YOU YOU BUY THEM WHEN THEY'RE JUST LITTLE CHICKS OUT OF THEIR. HEY, SO HOW FAR DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO GO? DO WE JUST WANT TO ADDRESS DOGS? DO WE JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A LOT OF OTHER STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WE NEED TO GET OFFICER IN THERE INVESTIGATING AND AND LOOKING AT. SO OKAY. BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT BUSY ENOUGH. CORRECT. WE COULD ALWAYS USE MORE. I'M CURIOUS IF THE PUPPY STORE PERSON IS HERE. YOU'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF EMAILS. YOU HAVE BARBARA FROM THE CHAMBER THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ALSO. OH, BUT NO, WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM, LIKE A PR GUY. HE'S NOT HERE, BUT OUR FIRM'S WORKING WITH HIM, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OR I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, LIKE, THE OPERATION OF THE PUPPY STORE. SO IF IS THERE SOMEBODY HERE WHO CAN ANSWER THAT? I MEAN, WE CAN'T ANSWER THE OPERATION. I CAN SAY, THOUGH, THAT HE IS REAL QUICK. BEFORE WE DO, LET ME GET YOUR NAME.

YEAH. SORRY. THIS IS THIS IS DAVID. ME. OKAY, I GOT EMAILS. YEAH, I HAVE AN EMAIL AND TEXTING. SO THANKS EVERYBODY. HE'S HE'S ONLY SELLING USDA REGULATED PUPPIES AT A STORE.

SO THIS ORDINANCE WOULD IN EFFECT TRYING TO SHUT DOWN BREEDERS WOULD ALSO SHUT DOWN HIS STORE. WELL, HE'D BE OPTION ONE. YES. SO MY QUESTIONS ARE LIKE, HOW MANY PUPPIES DO THEY SELL IN A WEEK? YEAH, STUFF LIKE THAT, I COULDN'T ANSWER. I COULD GET YOU THE ANSWERS TO

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AND HE JUST REPLIED BACK IMMEDIATELY. AND I MEAN, I HAVE A RESCUE DOG AND THEY VETTED ME PRETTY SURE, PRETTY SEVERELY. I SERIOUSLY DON'T I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT. NO, NO, NO, NOT A BACKGROUND, BUT LIKE, NO, NO, THEY CAME AND CHECKED WHERE I LIVE. I MADE SURE MY DOG GOT ALONG WITH THE OTHER DOG. AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY DOESN'T DO THAT. THIS WAS THROUGH THE CONTACT WITH THEM. NO COUNCIL MEMBER. HE SAID HE SELLS ABOUT 10 TO 12 PUPS PER WEEK, 10 TO 12 A WEEK. OKAY. AND ASK HIM HOW MANY, HOW MANY TIMES THAT ONE YEAR GUARANTEE IS EXERCISED.

ACTUALLY RESPOND THAT COMPLAINTS HEALTH CONCERNS ONE OUT OF EVERY 75 OR SO. OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY. BARBARA, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK. AND IF YOU'LL JUST GIVE YOUR NAME FIRST AND THEN DAN, DO YOU WANT TO TRADE BARBARA? OH, IS THERE ONE OTHER CHAIR I SEE? YEAH. I THINK DAN WANTED TO LEAVE. DAN WAS CHATTING. SO BARBARA RIDDLE, PRESIDENT CEO OF CHAMBER WEST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. THE PUPPY STORE I CAN SPEAK ON IT FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE. IT'S A A RESPECTED BUSINESS ORGANIZATION. IT'S A MEMBER OF OUR JUNIOR COMMERCE AND VERY ENGAGED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. I CAN SPEAK ON IT FROM A PERSONAL LEVEL. I AM A DOG LOVER AND I HAVE LOTS OF PUPPIES IN MY LIFE AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY DON'T LIVE AS LONG AS I DO. BUT I'VE HAD PUPPIES THAT I'VE PURCHASED AND I'VE HAD LOTS OF PUPPIES THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM RESCUE FACILITIES BECAUSE I LOVE RESCUE DOGS TOO. BUT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN AND SEE THE PUPPY STORE AND AND JUST WAS TO REALLY LOOK AT IT AND TO SEE WHAT THEY HAD AND FELL IN LOVE WITH A BERNESE MOUNTAIN DOG THAT HAD MY NAME WRITTEN ALL OVER HIM. AND I ENDED UP, OH MY GOSH, I, I ENDED UP GETTING HIM. HE'S SIX YEARS OLD NOW AND, AND HE AND I WILL SAY THE EXPERIENCE WITH THE PUPPY STORE WAS JUST VERY PROFESSIONAL, VERY CARING. THEY GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE KIND OF, KIND OF AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO.

THEY WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THE PUPPY'S BEEN EATING, THEY SEND FOOD HOME WITH YOU BECAUSE PUPPIES INTERCHANGE THEIR FOOD RIGHT AWAY. IT UPSETS YOUR STOMACH. AND SO JUST REALLY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ENSURE THAT THAT EXPERIENCE AND THAT TRANSITION WERE VERY, VERY POSITIVE. AND I ALMOST FEEL LIKE IN SOME WAYS THIS IS A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM.

AND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE. I THINK BEING ABLE TO GO AND RESCUE DOGS IS AWESOME AND MOST PEOPLE DO THAT, BUT I THINK HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN AND LOOK AT A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT BREEDS AND PLAY WITH THEM AND GET TO KNOW THEM A LITTLE BIT HELPS YOU MAKE DECISIONS, AND YOU MAY FIND YOURSELF FALLING IN LOVE WITH THAT. I DID NOT KNOW. I WILL SAY ON A THING. WHEN THE PUPPY STORE OPENED, WE USED TO GO ALL THE TIME. JUST BECAUSE MY KIDS LIKED PUPPIES. WE STOPPED GOING BECAUSE OF A COUPLE INCIDENCES OF PEOPLE WHO WERE VERY UPSET AND HAD DOGS THAT WERE SICK AND WERE HAVING A HARD TIME DEALING WITH PEOPLE, AND IT WAS GETTING LOUD IN THE STORE AND IT IT PUT A VERY BAD IMPRESSION ON ME AND MY CHILDREN OF IN THAT STORE. AND SO SINCE THEN AND I'M HOPING THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN BETTER. BUT AT THAT MOMENT. YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE A THING YOU YOU'VE COME AND GIVEN, YOU KNOW, A GREAT THING, WHICH IS FINE BECAUSE EVERYONE'S GOT DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT EARLY ON IN THERE, I REALLY AND THIS WAS WELL BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL, REALLY DISLIKED THAT STORE BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT THE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THERE BROKE MY HEART WHEN IT CAME TO DOGS. SO I'M JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW,

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OKAY. I WILL JUST SAY NO, I'VE GOT AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ON HOW I VOTE. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T GO INTO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T VOTE ON MY OWN EMOTIONS. I VOTE ON ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COMMON SENSE. ANY BUSINESS THAT HAS CONTINUAL PROBLEMS LIKE THAT EVENTUALLY DRIVE THEMSELVES OUT OF IT. BUT I THINK TO OVERREGULATE. YEAH, NO. AND I, I AGREE ON THAT BUSINESS. AND I WOULD NEVER WANT TO CLOSE A BUSINESS DOWN BECAUSE OF BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE.

RIGHT. AND I, I'M, I'M JUST I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS NOT A WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ON A SALT OF THE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE, THE TEMPLE WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE DOWN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING. I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING THAT I JUST WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THAT. AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CLOSE DOWN ANYTHING. I SHOULD BE VERY CLEAR OF THAT AS WELL. AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD NOT CLOSE DOWN A BUSINESS ANYWAY. MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE DO TOO MUCH, IT THEN MAKES ONE BUSINESS A MONOPOLY.

MONOPOLY IN THE TOWN AND MAKES IT SOMETHING WHERE WE'VE CREATED SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER. AND THAT IS BEING THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN DO THINGS. THE CONCERN WE JUST ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE IS THAT ARE WE DOING WHAT'S BEST TO PROTECT THE ANIMALS? AND AND WITH THAT, WE WE WERE VOTED IN BY CONSTITUENTS. BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT'S WITHIN WEST JORDAN AS A WHOLE. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING AT ARE WE DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BUY THOSE ANIMALS, BUT FOR THE ANIMALS AS WELL? AND THAT'S.

YEAH. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO AGAIN, I AM I AM NOT INTERESTED IN SHUTTING DOWN ANY BUSINESS IN WEST JORDAN. AND I'M CERTAINLY GLAD. AND I LOVE BERNESE MOUNTAIN DOGS. SO I AND OTHER VEHICLE I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS WITH THIS. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU ALL HAVE A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS AND YOU WANT TO ENSURE THAT YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING, AND IT'S GOOD TO TO WALK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. BUT THIS IS A COMPANY. THEY PAY THEIR TAXES, THEY HAVE EMPLOYEES. AND WHEN I'VE GONE IN IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S ALL WELL MAINTAINED AND TAKEN CARE OF. THESE DOGS ARE WELL TAKEN CARE OF. AND YOU HAVE TO WONDER HOW WELL THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF COMPARED TO MAYBE A HOME BREEDER WHO YOU NEVER KNOW. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN ON THE RADAR. YEAH. NOPE. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THANK YOU. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE NOT TALKING AT ALL ABOUT SHUTTING DOWN A BUSINESS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT AT ALL. I THINK JUST WHEN YOU START OVERREGULATING, IT KIND OF STARTS THE DOWNWARD TREND OR A DOWNWARD SPIRAL. SO THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT. SO I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE VERY PRO-BUSINESS AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT. SO THANK YOU. WE'RE ALSO RUNNING UP AGAINST TIME. SO LET'S GET BACK TO DISCUSSION. BUT THANK YOU, BARBARA, FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. ANY DISCUSSION WE HAVE? YES. I THIS PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I PURCHASED A BEAUTIFUL DOG FROM A HOME BREEDER A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND AND SHE DIED OF CANCER AT SEVEN YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW, SO. BUT I'M NOT BLAMING THE BREEDER FOR THAT. THAT I'M MAYBE. BUT I'M. HOW HOW CAN I POSSIBLY DRAW A LINE BACK TO THAT BREEDER AND SAY IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY HER FAULT. SO I SPOKE WITH A, WITH THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES CONVENTION IN SALT LAKE CITY. I SPOKE WITH A MAN FROM I THINK HE SAID HE'S FROM CALIFORNIA WHO WORKS FOR THE NATIONAL HUMANE SOCIETY. AND ASKED HIM ABOUT THE THINGS WE'RE CONSIDERING DOING HERE.

HE SUGGESTED THAT A PROHIBITION ON ON PET STORES WOULD BE A NET NEGATIVE FOR ANIMAL WELFARE.

AND. I JUST HE'S BECAUSE HE SAID THEN, THEN IT'S JUST. JUST THE HOME BREEDERS. WE'RE WE'RE NOW PROVIDING PUPPIES OUTSIDE OF SHELTERS. IT'S JUST HOME BREEDERS. AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REGULATION ON THEM. HE SUGGESTS THAT THAT THE HOOPS AND THE REGULATIONS THAT THEY

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ONE IS IF WE PASS SOME ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS THE OPENING OF A STORE LIKE THIS, THE EXISTING STORE IS GRANDFATHERED, RIGHT? OR WHAT WOULD TRIGGER WHAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT? D GRANDFATHERING. YEAH, WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN FOR SURE. I THINK WE'D NEED TO LOOK AT IT. THIS ISN'T A ZONING ISSUE NORMALLY. NORMALLY WE TALK ABOUT GRANDFATHERING IN WHEN WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ZONING CHANGES OR USES. RIGHT. BUT THIS IS THIS IS A LAW THAT THAT THAT APPLIES GOING FORWARD WHEN WHEN YOU CHANGE THE LAWS REGARDING PARKING, WE GO OUT AND WE ENFORCE THE CAR WASN'T ALREADY PARKED IN A LEGAL SPOT SOMETIMES. SOMETIMES THEY WERE IF THEY'RE IN THE BACK AND IMMOBILE, IF THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN GRANDFATHERING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, THERE ARE PROBABLY WAYS WE COULD DO THAT. IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE CODE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE PROPOSALS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THAT WAS THE COUNCIL'S INTENTION, WE COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT. IS THAT FAIR? THAT IS FAIR. YEAH. WE COULD WE COULD SET A TIMELINE OR SOMETHING. AND THEN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TREATMENT OF ANIMALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, PET STORES ARE STILL SUBJECT TO LIKE ANIMAL CRUELTY LAWS. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND AND HEALTH CODE, COUNTY HEALTH CODE VIOLATIONS, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF DISEASE AND OTHER THINGS. THEY WOULD BE THEY WOULD BE. SO THE STORE ITSELF WOULD BE SUBJECT TO IT, I THINK. I THINK PART OF THE CONCERN AND, AND WHERE WE WHERE WE HIT THIS LIKE ISSUE POINT REALLY IS THAT BEFORE THE PUPPY MAKES IT TO THE STORE, WHAT CONDITION IS IT KEPT IN? RIGHT? THE BREEDING DOGS. MOM AND DAD, MOM AND DAD.

DOG. WHERE WHERE'S MOM AND DAD DOG KEPT. AND THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT GOVERNED BY. RIGHT. BUT I'M CHECKING THAT THE STORE. THE STORE ITSELF. CORRECT. YOU ARE CORRECT. YES. WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW THAT DOGS THAT END UP IN OUR SHELTER OR THAT ARE HUMANE SOCIETY EITHER. I MEAN, THIS IS NOT AN ANIMAL. SO FORGIVE THE ANALOGY BECAUSE IT'S IMPERFECT, BUT I CAN BUY NIKE SHOES AND THE CONDITIONS IN WHICH NIKE SHOES ARE PRODUCED ARE SUBJECT TO SOME PRETTY INTENSE SCRUTINY.

AND AND PROBABLY A IF WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE SOURCE OF THINGS, THAT'S PEOPLE BEING TREATED BADLY WHO ARE PRODUCING NIKE SHOES. AND WE HAVE A NIKE STORE IN WEST JORDAN WHERE I BUY MY RUNNING SHOES, BY THE WAY. THAT'S WHAT I WEAR. SO RUNNING SHOES. OH, SORRY, I RUN A LOT MORE THAN I CAN. SO I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE SOURCE OF THINGS THAT ARE SOLD IN OUR CITY, WHY DO WE STOP AT DOGS? YES, TURTLES, RABBITS AND DOMESTIC FOWL, FOR EXAMPLE, TO GET YOU BACK ONTO YOURSELF. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO

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SMELLED GOOD. IT WAS VERY CLEAN. THE DOGS WERE VERY SAD WHEN THE FAMILY LEFT. SO YEAH, I ALWAYS JUST FELT BAD WHEN LIKE THE STORE CLOSED AND THEY ALL HAD PUPPIES. I FEEL LIKE THAT EVERY TIME I LET MY DOGS IN THEIR KENNEL AND I HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE. MY DOG DO WE NEED DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, OR DO WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THE APPETITE OF THE COUNCIL IS TO PURSUE ANYTHING? LET ME RECAP THE OPTIONS. YEAH YEAH YEAH. SO NO NO WE WANT THE GRAPHIC. YOU WANT THE GRAPHIC. THE BOUNCING. NO I WANT THE DETAILS. YEAH. OH SORRY. YEAH. SO WE'VE GOT OPTION ONE WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT SANDY HAS WHICH IS WHERE THE TURTLES COME FROM BY THE WAY. THEY, THEY PROHIBIT AND, YOU KNOW, VERY STRICT ON IT. YOU CAN'T BUY A TURTLE UNLESS IT'S FROM A RESCUE. RESCUE TURTLE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE RESCUE TURTLES. IN SANDY. THEY PROBABLY DO. SANDY. OPTION TWO IS IS THIS AREA WHERE WE SAY, GET YOUR USDA PAPERWORK IN IN ORDER KEEP THE CERTIFICATES, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE SOURCING THE DOGS FROM THESE THESE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WAS ATTACHED AS, AS OPTION TWO IN IN THE PACKET. AND THEN OUR CURRENT CODE REALLY OUR CURRENT CODE DOESN'T ADDRESS DOGS. IT JUST TALKS ABOUT RABBITS AND FOWL. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF IN A SPOT AS WELL WHERE WE REGULATE A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST NOT VERY MUCH. SO COULD A PUPPY STORE BUY PUPPIES FROM A BACKYARD BREEDER? YEAH. ARGUABLY. YEAH. IT WITH CURRENT CODE. WHAT ABOUT WITH OPTION TWO? YEAH, WITH WITH OPTION TWO. SO LONG AS SO LONG AS THEY GOT. I THOUGHT IT HAD TO BE USDA REGULATED. I DON'T THINK IT HAS. LET ME LET ME DOUBLE CHECK. RETAIL PET STORE MAY OFFER FOR SALE A DOG OR CAT ONLY IF THE ANIMAL IS OBTAINED FROM A LICENSED BREEDER OR DEALER OR AN ANIMAL CARE FACILITY. SO NO, THEY CANNOT BUY FROM A BACKYARD BREEDER. OKAY, UNLESS THE STATE DECIDES TO MAKE LAWS FOR THAT MAY START LICENSING BREEDERS, WHICH THEY CAN DO. I'M KIND OF WITH KEN. I, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO PUT MORE REGULATIONS OUT THERE THAT THEN AND WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS STORE THIS WILL MAKE THEM NOT BE A STORE ANYMORE. IT BOTHERS ME MORE TO WATCH ANIMALS SOLD IN THE PARKING LOT AT SAM'S CLUB. I JUST THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME AND IT MAKES ME NERVOUS. IT'S LIKE BECAUSE IT'S THAT. IT'S THAT BUY THE CANDY BAR AT THE REGISTER DECISION RIGHT THERE DRIVING OUT AND THEY BUY THIS DOG AND THEY HAVEN'T THOUGHT MUCH ABOUT HOW DO WE GET PATRICK WORKING BACK ON PARKING LOT THINGS? I DON'T THINK HE WANTS THAT. NOW THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH MASSAGE, I CAN ADDRESS PARKING LOT. SO I'M I'M GOING TO GO WITH KEN ON THIS. IS THAT OPTION TWO OR NO

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MAYBE SLIDING 2.22.22.2. SLIDING A LITTLE RIGHT OF CENTER I HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE I SAY YES OR NO WITH THE WITH THE STORE. IF CAN THEY POST WHERE THERE'S BEFORE.

BECAUSE I, I HEARD THAT THERE WHEN THEY SELL THE DOG THEY DON'T GET THAT INFORMATION UNTIL AFTER. CAN THEY DO THAT POST. LIKE WHERE CAN THE DOGS FROM WHAT ZACH SAID REPORTING PRIOR TO THE PURCHASE OF THE PUPPY. SO LET'S SAY YOU GO IN AND YOU SEE THIS PUPPY THAT YOU REALLY LIKE AND YOU CAN SEE LIKE, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATE THE BREEDER QR CODE ON THE COLLAR.

YEAH, THAT'D BE REQUIRED TO. YEAH. GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION BEFORE YOU PURCHASE. YEAH I CAN I CAN LOOK AT THAT QR CODE ON THE COLLARS. ACTUALLY I KIND OF LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS.

YEAH. IF I'M GOING TO BUY A USED CAR, I DON'T JUST I LOOK AT IT AND I'LL GIVE ME THE CARFAX. SHOW ME THE DOG. YEAH, YEAH. SO SO I DON'T MIND THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT DETERS THE STORE FROM SELLING. I THINK IT JUST GIVES US A MORE EDUCATED CONSUMER. YEAH. I MEAN, TRANSPARENCY IS IMPORTANT. SURE. YEAH. SO ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE ON TO 2.3 OKAY. 22.3 SOMEWHERE BETWEEN YOU KNOW NOW WE'RE SLIDING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER BACK TO CENTER. SHOULD HAVE PUT SOME NUMBERS ON THERE THAT WE COULD HAVE SAID. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THEN IS THE TO HAVE THE FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THE THE PAPER, THE PAPERWORK, THE DOG FACTS, BUT HAVE THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE PRIOR TO PURCHASE THAT SOMEONE COULD LOOK AT. IF THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE. THAT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME. LIKE SOMEONE SAID, YOU BUY A CAR AND YOU FIND OUT WHAT YEAR IT IS. NO, BUT I THINK THAT YEAH, I, I, I TO BE HONEST, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BECOME A BIG THING. I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE THAT AND IMMEDIATELY GO AND CONTACT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YEAH, BUT I THINK, I THINK, I THINK BEING THE HAVING AN OPTION, I THINK THAT THAT IS A LITTLE BIT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THAT.

AND THEY ALREADY KNOW THE SOURCE, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE A BIG BURDEN ON THE BUSINESS. SO YEAH, THE STORE KNOWS THE ANSWER. THEY CAN JUST GET THE ANSWER EARLIER. SO THAT IS SOMETHING I'M SURE WE'LL FIND OUT IN EMAILS FROM YOU WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOOD OR BAD, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO NOW PASS ON TO YOU TO GO MAKE HAPPEN. BUT I NOT FOR US. WE NEED WE NEED A COMMITTEE. THE WHOLE OF THIS AS WELL. THIS IS BECOMING SO. YES. AND I THINK THAT WAS, WAS THAT ALL SIX SAID THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT. I DON'T WANT THE USDA FEED THEM BECAUSE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN TWO. BUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID, YES, I THINK WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH REVISITING AFTER HIS REDIRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. AND WE WILL PASS ON THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THOSE THAT CAME AND HELPED. I APPRECIATE YOUR WORDS. SORRY IF I SOUND LIKE I WAS HARSH ON YOU. I WAS JUST TRYING TO. I'M AN ALL SIDES KIND OF GUY. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE NOW ALREADY GAINING. NOW WE'RE GOING TO

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AND LAURIE STRINGHAM IS A COUNCIL MEMBER. AND WE BOTH REPRESENT WEST JORDAN. SO I REPRESENT ABOUT A THIRD OF WEST JORDAN TO 7800 SOUTH AND NORTH. FROM THERE, LAURIE REPRESENTS ALL OF WEST JORDAN AND THE WHOLE COUNTY. ACTUALLY, SHE'S AN AT LARGE COUNCIL MEMBER. SO ANYWAY, WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO BE HERE. WE WE WANTED TO COME AND YOU GUYS ARE LIKE THE FIRST WE'RE CALLING THIS OUR COUNTY ROAD SHOW. YOU'RE THE FIRST OF OUR ROAD SHOW. WE WE ACTUALLY DID THIS PRESENTATION FOR OUR SALT LAKE COUNTY LEGISLATORS SEVERAL MONTHS BACK. AND IT WAS INTERESTING HOW MANY THINGS THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE COUNTY. AND WE'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T TAKE TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE COUNTY.

SORRY, I'M SENDING MY SON TO VOICEMAIL. SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO REACH OUT TO OUR CITIES AND SEE, LIKE, SHARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THE COUNTY.

AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A COUPLE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO ANYWAY, THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY.

JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS RELATED TO THE HISTORY OF THE VALLEY. SO YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF CITIES THAT BECAME INCORPORATED CITIES SINCE 1850. AND YOU GUYS CAN SEE KIND OF THE LIST RIGHT HERE. HERE'S WEST JORDAN IN 1941 WHEN YOU GUYS INCORPORATED. BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THE VALLEY IS KIND OF EVOLVED. SO THEN IN THE 90S, I WAS INVOLVED IN THE TAYLORSVILLE INCORPORATION EFFORT. I WAS THE IN COLLEGE AND I WAS THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE EFFORT. AND SO I'M A CITY GIRL AT HEART. BUT ANYWAY, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE SOME OF THESE OTHER INCORPORATIONS HAPPENED. AND THEN RECENTLY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE THE TOWNSHIPS HAVE BECOME CITIES. THERE WAS A BILL THAT REQUIRES ALL THE ISLANDS TO ANNEX. YOU GUYS RECENTLY JUST FINISHED AN ANNEXATION OF A LITTLE PART OF MY DISTRICT, NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO ANYWAY, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH WE WILL BE WALL TO WALL CITIES BY JULY OF 2027, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CANYONS. SO ON BOTH THE CANYONS, THOSE WILL STILL REMAIN UNINCORPORATED SALT LAKE COUNTY. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED US, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, SOLID COUNTY IS THE FIRST COUNTY IN THE STATE TO GO WALL TO WALL CITIES. SO DOES THAT MEAN WE DON'T NEED A COUNTY ANYMORE? WELL, WE WE LOOK AT THAT AND THINK, I DON'T KNOW, DO THEY WANT TO HAVE A JAIL AND DO THEY WANT TO HAVE A DA'S OFFICE AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. BUT STATE CODE ACTUALLY DIFFERENTIATES THE ROLES OF CITIES AND COUNTIES AND WHAT COUNTIES ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE SERVICES THE COUNTY PROVIDES. NOW SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE IN STATUTE, LIKE THE PUBLIC SAFETY PIECE, THE JAIL PROSECUTION, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO AS DICTATED BY THE STATE.

THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE HAVE. OUR CONSTITUENTS HAVE SAID, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS. AND WE'VE GOTTEN IN THE BUSINESS OF AND SO I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH THESE A LITTLE BIT. OF COURSE, CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO TO SERVE ALL OF OUR CITIES AND EVERYONE IN THE VALLEY ELECTIONS. THAT'S A BIG DEAL. YOU GUYS KNOW YOU CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY FOR ELECTIONS. AND WE ALSO HAVE WE'RE IN CHARGE OF RUNNING ALL THE THE GENERAL ELECTIONS AS WELL, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THAT THEY COME INTO RESTAURANTS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE FOLLOWING RULES. WE DO IMMUNIZATIONS. WE MAKE SURE HOMELESS CAMPS THAT ARE OUT, WE GO AND CLEAN THEM UP ALONG THE JORDAN RIVER OR WHATEVER. SO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE COUNTY. THEY'RE MOSTLY FEDERALLY FUNDED, SOMETHING MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW. BUT ANYWAY, WE RUN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. WE ALSO HAVE AGING AND ADULT SERVICES. SO WE DO MEALS ON WHEELS FOR LOW INCOME ELDERLY RESIDENTS WHO ARE HOMEBOUND AND WHO MAY BE LOW INCOME AND NEED THAT EXTRA SUPPORT TO TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES. AND WE ALSO HAVE SENIOR CENTERS WHERE WE'RE DOING SERVICING IN SENIOR CENTERS, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. WE MANAGE THE MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE SERVICES FOR OUR COUNTY. WE'RE DESIGNATED BY THE STATE TO BE THE MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO ON THIS SIDE. WE'VE GOT CULTURE AND THE ARTS. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW. WE ACTUALLY OWN ABRAVANEL HALL, CAPITOL THEATER. WE CO-OWN ECCLES THEATER WITH SALT LAKE CITY. THEY ECCLES THEATER IS SELF-GENERATING. THAT'S WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT ANY MONEY INTO THAT BECAUSE IT HAS ITS OWN REVENUE SOURCE. AS WELL AS THESE OTHERS, ALTHOUGH THEY DO GET ZAP FUNDS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT TO CONVENTIONS AND TOURISM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOVE IS BRINGING IN TOURISTS FROM OUTSIDE THE STATE OR OUTSIDE THE COUNTY TO SPEND THEIR MONEY HERE, AND THEN THEY LEAVE. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO EDUCATE THEIR KIDS. SO THEY'RE A GREAT WAY TO GET REVENUE FOR CITIES, COUNTIES AND THE STATE.

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LIBRARY SERVICES. SO WE SERVE WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST LIBRARY SERVICES IN THE NATION, SYSTEMS IN THE NATION, SALT LAKE CITY AND MURRAY. THEY CREATED THEIR LIBRARY SYSTEM BEFORE WE DID OURS. AND SO THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT IN IT. SO THAT'S WHY ON YOUR PROPERTY TAX STATEMENT, YOU SEE A SINGLE LINE FOR THE LIBRARIES IS BECAUSE NOT EVERY RESIDENT HAS THAT MURRAY AND SALT LAKE CITY, THEY THEY ARE FUNDED THROUGH THEIR CITIES. AND SO ANYWAY, BUT WE ARE REALLY PROUD OF OUR LIBRARY SYSTEM AND, AND ARE GRATEFUL THAT WE GET TO TO DO THAT. AND THEN PROPERTY TAX ADMINISTRATION. YOU'RE WELCOME. WE TAKE ALL THE BLAME FOR THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASES BECAUSE IT SAYS SALT LAKE COUNTY ACROSS THE TOP OF YOUR PROPERTY TAX STATEMENT. WEST JORDAN INCREASE ON THE SIDE. YEAH. FARTHER DOWN. BUT WHEN WE LIKE WHEN WE DID OUR PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS THE WHOLE TAX BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT THAT'S ALL SALT LAKE COUNTY. AND SO ANYWAY WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF AN EDUCATION EFFORT WE NEED TO DO THERE. BUT WE WE BASICALLY ARE IN CHARGE OF DOING ALL THE PROPERTY TAX COLLECTION FOR YOUR CITY, FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, FOR THE MOSQUITO ABATEMENT DISTRICT, AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO SHOWS UP ON YOUR PROPERTY TAX STATEMENT. AND THEN WE MAKE SURE IT GETS DISTRIBUTED ACCURATELY. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO. AS WE TALKED ABOUT CITIES CAN'T DO NECESSARILY WHAT THE COUNTY DOES. NOT EVERY CITY IS GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A EXPO CENTER OR A CONVENTION CENTER OR A JAIL, OR MULTIPLE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS OR AN ELECTIONS DIVISION. AND SO WE REALLY ARE LOOKING AT WHAT IS OUR REGIONAL ROLE. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT, WELL, HOW DID YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, KEEP TRACK OF TAXES WHEN YOU HAD A CITY FUNCTION, A MUNICIPAL FUNCTION? WELL, STATE LAW SAID THAT WE HAD TO HAVE TWO BUDGETS. WE HAD TO HAVE A MUNICIPAL SERVICES BUDGET, AND WE HAD TO HAVE OUR REGIONAL BUDGET THAT WE HAVE SO THAT WE COULD KEEP THOSE FUNDS VERY SEPARATE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO AS WE DO THESE DIFFERENT SERVICES. HERE ARE OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OUR MAYOR. WE HAVE A SIMILAR FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. WE HAVE THE MAYOR, AS THE EXECUTIVE OF THE COUNTY, RUNS THE DAY TO DAY. AND THEN WE HAVE THESE NINE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY. THE BUDGETS ARE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, AND WE HAVE THREE AT LARGE MEMBERS. YOU CAN SEE LAURIE AND HER OTHER TWO AT LARGE COLLEAGUES ON THE TOP ROW. AND THEN THE OTHER SIX OF US ARE DISTRICTED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE ALL GET THE SAME VOTE. THE THE AT LARGE PEOPLE HAVE TO RUN IN A DISTRICT BIGGER THAN A CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, SO THEY GET A SIX YEAR TERM INSTEAD OF A FOUR YEAR TERM LIKE THE REST OF US. SO AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE INDEPENDENT ELECTED OFFICIALS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE SAY, OH, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU SPLIT THE COUNTY OR WHATEVER? WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE A DUPLICATE. YOU'D HAVE TO GET A DUPLICATION OF OTHER INDEPENDENT OFFICES, AS WELL AS FIND SPACE FOR A JAIL AND, AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS. BUT WE'VE GOT THE ASSESSOR, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, THE SURVEYOR, AUDITOR, RECORDER, TREASURER, CLERK, SHERIFF. AND THEN WE HAVE A JUSTICE COURT JUDGE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. WE'RE GOING TO BE DISSOLVING OUR COURT, SINCE THAT'S MORE OF A MUNICIPAL FUNCTION THAT WE'RE NOT AS INVOLVED IN ANYMORE. OKAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT BUDGET. YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THIS AS WELL AS ANYBODY THAT SOMETIMES WE GET SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY, OH, YOU'VE GOT A $2 BILLION BUDGET AND WE GET IT LIKE BUGS US WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT. BECAUSE REALLY IT'S 1.5. A FEW YEARS AGO, THE STATE AUDITOR SAID THAT ANY PASS THROUGH TAXES, LIKE FROM THE FIFTH, FIFTH OR ANY OF THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAXES THAT YOU GUYS GET A PIECE OF, HAS TO ALL PASS THROUGH THE COUNTY. AND WE HAVE TO COUNT THAT AS PART OF OUR BUDGET. SO IT WAS REALLY FUNNY BECAUSE THERE WAS A TIME PERIOD WHERE PEOPLE WOULD RUN FOR COUNTY OFFICE AND THEY WOULD BE LIKE, YEAH, THIS PERSON, LIKE THEIR BUDGET IS A QUARTER BIGGER THAN IT WAS THE

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WE FOUND CUTS TO HELP MAKE UP FOR SOME OF THAT. SO. AND THEN THIS SHOWS THE HOW THE TAX RATE JUST KIND OF BLEW SOME OF THE LEGISLATORS MINDS, WHICH I'M LIKE, YOU GUYS SHOULD UNDERSTAND THIS. YOU STOP GETTING MAD AT US FOR RAISING PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE THIS IS THE SYSTEM WE'VE SET UP. BUT BASICALLY OUR TAX RATES DECLINE AS VALUES GO UP. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THIS IS THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD THING WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH DURING OUR BUDGET PROCESS IS THAT THEY SAY, BUT MY VALUES KEEP GOING UP. SO YOU'RE COLLECTING MORE AUTOMATICALLY AND WE'RE LIKE, NO, WE GET THE SAME AMOUNT LIKE EVERY, EVERY TIME, EVERY YEAR.

SO THIS KIND OF SHOWS HOW THE RATE, THE TAX RATE DECLINED AS PROPERTY VALUES GO UP OVER TIME.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST A PROPERTY TAX STATEMENT. YOU CAN SEE WHERE SALT LAKE COUNTY IS.

AND SO WE'RE ABOUT 17% OF A PROPERTY TAX STATEMENT. AND THEN THAT BOTTOM ONE THE COUNTY ASSESSMENT AND COLLECTION LEVY IS WHAT WE COLLECT IN ORDER TO DO THE TAXES FOR EVERYBODY. SO ANYWAY, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THE CITY AND SCHOOL DISTRICT AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON. DOES IT

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WHAT CAN WE DO TO BE HELPFUL? I DO WANT TO JUST SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE BUDGET. SO I MENTIONED THE GENERAL FUND AND WHAT THE MOSTLY PUBLIC SAFETY A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WELL, YOU GUYS DO ARTS AND CULTURE, YOU DO PARKS AND REC, YOU DO TOURISM, YOU DO THESE OTHER THINGS. THOSE ARE THE I CONSIDER THOSE THE NICE TO HAVES, LIKE THEY HELP WITH QUALITY OF LIFE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THOSE ARE NOT FUNDED WITH PROPERTY TAXES. THEY ARE FUNDED WITH TOURISM TAXES. WE'VE BEEN VERY, VERY INTENTIONAL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE USING PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, AND THOSE TOURISM TAXES THAT WE GET FROM HOTELS, CAR RENTALS, RESTAURANTS, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE FUNDING THE NICE TO HAVES THAT ARE HELPING WITH QUALITY OF LIFE. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE ARE, ARE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS STRUCTURED. SO I DO WANT TO ADD ANYTHING. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS TO UNDERSTAND, I'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS RECENTLY ABOUT VISIT SALT LAKE AND THE DOWNTOWN SALT PALACE, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT FULLY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SURPRISING TO ME WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE COUNCIL WAS THAT IT VARIES FROM YEAR TO YEAR. BUT JUST IN THIS LAST YEAR, $2,100 OF YOUR PROPERTY TAX IS OFFSET BY WHAT WE BRING IN IN TOURISM TAXES FROM THAT. SO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, YOU'D BE PAYING THAT MUCH MONEY FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE PRODUCE HERE. AND SO THAT IS A HUGE, HUGE BENEFIT TO US. AND SO IF WE IF WE DON'T DO THAT RIGHT, THEN THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR US IN THE FUTURE. SO WE WE LEARNED THAT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO REBUILD THAT BACK, RIGHT? WITH ALL THE CHANGES TO THAT'S GOING ON. SO WE WE'RE LOOKING AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S BEING DONE RIGHT NOW TOO AS WELL. THANK YOU. SOUNDS GREAT. WE'VE GOT TWO MINUTES BEFORE YOU GET TO EAT YOUR DINNER. SO LIKE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO ASK. YES, MAYOR. GREAT PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK WE UNDERSTAND A LOT OF IT BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH THE SAME THING. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A REC CENTER ON THE WEST SIDE. WHAT CAN YOU SAY ABOUT THAT? OH, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU GUYS GET A REC CENTER. WE REALLY EXCITED.

CAN YOU HELP US WITH IT? YEAH. OKAY. ARE YOU ARE YOU GUYS DOING IT THROUGH? ARE YOU HOPING TO GET IT FUNDED THROUGH TRACK? IS THAT KIND OF YOUR METHOD OF TRACKING? ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP. OKAY. YEAH. ARE YOU ALL GOT FUNDED? YOU HAVEN'T PUT THE BOND OUT FOR IT YET. THAT'S. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKS AND REC BOND THAT WE DO AFTER ZAP AND THEN HAVE THAT PAID FOR. YEAH. AND I'LL TELL YOU, WE WE'VE BEEN LIKE, WHAT DO WE PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT THIS YEAR WITH THE JAIL AND LIKE DOES THAT. SO WE MAY HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR. YEAH. RIGHT. BUT WE STILL HAVE TO BOND FOR IT. SO THE BOND FOR IT. BUT BUT IT'S A REVENUE TAX. IT'S A TAX REVENUE BOND. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE BALLOT I THINK IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO BALLOT. HE'S RIGHT. BUT IF YOU DO PUT IT ON THERE PEOPLE WILL SEE THAT. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE THEIR TAXES. IF THEY APPROVE THAT BOND, ALL IT WILL DO IS MAKE IT SO YOU CAN START USING THAT MONEY NOW INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL THE BOND PAYMENTS.

YEAH, BUT I BET THE WAY THEY HAVE TO, THEY ALREADY AUTHORIZE THE PAYMENT. IT'LL BE VERY CONFUSING. SO PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT I KNOW THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT GETS TRICKY IS WE WE'VE THOUGHT DO WE PUT THAT OFF A YEAR AND TRY TO DO THE JAIL THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE HERE. RIGHT. BUT. WELL CAN YOU DO IT WITHOUT THAT. WHAT'S THAT. CAN YOU DO IT WITHOUT BOND. CAN YOU START THE REC CENTER? I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO JUST YOURS. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO DO OTHERS IF YOU WANT TO DO ARTS FIRST. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL HAVE TO. IF IT'S NOT A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND, WHICH IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO WITH ZAP, AND WE DO AT LEAST REVENUE INSTEAD, YOU LOSE A TON OF MONEY. YEAH, THE INTEREST RATES, THE INTEREST RATES SO MUCH HIGHER. WE'D RATHER DO A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND AND HAVE IT GO TO THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE. SO WE ACTUALLY CAN KEEP AS WE CAN LEVERAGE PROJECTS. RIGHT. MAKE SURE YOU MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT WILL NOT AFFECT WHAT THEY'RE PAYING. IT IS ON THE BALLOT. SHALL WE ISSUE THIS BOND THAT WON'T COST YOU ANYTHING? YEAH. WE'LL JUST LET US SPEND THE MONEY. WE ALREADY.

THAT'S WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T SAY. WE WILL TELL OUR BOND COUNCIL. WE WILL GIVE THEM YOUR SUGGESTION 100%. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. WE NEED THE STATE LAW CHANGED. WE CAN TALK TO SOME PEOPLE. THERE YOU GO. WE DO NEED TO CHANGE BECAUSE THE WAY THE WORDING IS ON THOSE THINGS I KNOW IT'S SO I HEAR THERE'S SOME BILLS ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES THIS YEAR. MAYBE WE CAN WORK IT IN I DON'T KNOW, WE COULD DO WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD LOBBYISTS SLIDE IT IN. YOU KNOW I DO THOUGH. WELL THANKS, YOU GUYS. THANKS FOR LETTING US COME. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING AWESOME AND JUST I IT'S A THANKLESS JOB TO BE IN PUBLIC SERVICE. WE GET IT. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU. YOU JUST THANKED US. WELL, THAT'S PEOPLE WHO CAN APPRECIATE WE'RE NOT GOING TO STAY FOR DINNER AS WELL. OH, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

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YEAH. GOT IT. YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND WE DON'T WANT TO COLLECT THE TAXES AND HAVE TO CHARGE THE TAX. CUT TAXES. ALL RIGHT THEN WE HAVE HAD A IT'S A LONG AND SPIRITED DAY BUT WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN. UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO COME BEFORE I WILL ADJOURN THI

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.