[GENERAL MEETING] [00:00:05] PROGRESS. [a. Approve Minutes from January 6, 2026 ] [a. RhythmX Dance Lab; 4256 West 8370 South; Conditional Use Permit for Personal Instruction Service; M-1 zone; RhythmX Dance Lab, LLC/ Raquel Bucio (applicant) [Megan Jensen #35150; parcel 21-31-401-006]] 4256 WEST EIGHT 370 SOUTH. IS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PERSONAL CONSTRUCTION CARE AND WHAT IS KNOWN AND WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR DEL CASTILLO. LEWISVILLE. ITEMS. COME ON UP I APOLOGIZE, I NEED SOME TIME. OKAY I DO. LATER. YES. SO RHYTHMIC DANCE LAB IS A PROPOSED DANCE STUDIO THAT SPECIALIZES IN CLOGGING AND BALLROOM. IT IS LOCATED CURRENTLY IN THE SUBDIVISION IN THE AREA RIGHT BEHIND THE SOCCER FIELDS AND THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING OF WEST JORDAN, RIGHT OFF OF 400 SOUTH OR 400 WEST. WE ARE LOOKING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE ZONE DOES NOT PERMIT IT, BUT WE WOULD JUST BE HAVING PERSONAL INSTRUCTION FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM ABOUT 4 P.M. TO ABOUT 9 P.M. YEAH. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE FINE. WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW? I WILL ASK EVERYBODY UP HERE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE DO. OKAY. OKAY. FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. THANKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIR. SO THIS IS AN EXISTING BUILDING AS WAS MENTIONED. AND THE STUDIO WILL BE YOU CAN SEE THAT SMALLER WESTERN UNIT. THAT WILL BE WHERE THE DANCE STUDIO IS. IT'S LOCATED IN A MANUFACTURING ZONE. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. SO THEY HAVE 18 PARKING SPACES DEDICATED TO THEM, WHICH IS WELL OVER THE REQUIRED PARKING AND LEAVES ENOUGH OF THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE PRINT SHOP, WHICH TAKES UP THE REST OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN. THEY'LL BE DOING INTERNAL WORK TO CREATE TWO STUDIOS, AN OFFICE AND A BATHROOM. SO THERE WILL BE 3 TO 6 INSTRUCTOR INSTRUCTORS AND STAFF ON SITE, AND 15 TO 20 STUDENTS ON SITE AT A TIME, WHO WILL ARRIVE ON STAGGERED INTERVALS BASED ON THE CLASS SCHEDULES, USUALLY ABOUT 30 MINUTES APART. THE VEHICLES WILL USUALLY DROP OFF THE STUDENTS AND THEN LEAVE THE SITE. THE JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS THEIR BUS LOT JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS, AND SO THAT STREET THAT IT'S ON IS USED FOR BUS ROUTE. AND SO OUR ONLY CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS THAT PEOPLE SHOULD ONLY PARK, OR CUSTOMERS CAN ONLY PARK ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, SO [00:05:04] AS NOT TO BLOCK ANY OF THE BUSSES. HOWEVER, AFTER 5:00 THAT SHOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH OF AN ISSUE WITH BUSSES GOING IN THERE. SO THE NEXT STEP IS JUST THE BUSINESS LICENSE APPROVAL FOR THE BUSINESS, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER ALLEN, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE CONDITION ON THE USE. SO I READ THIS. I AGREE WITH IT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA IN PRACTICE. ASIDE FROM ASKING THEM TO PLEASE TELL THEIR PARTICIPANTS, CAN WE ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT? IS THERE PUBLIC THEY WOULD BE PARKING ON A PUBLIC ROAD, CORRECT? YES. YEAH. THAT WAS THE IDEA THAT THEY WOULD INFORM THEIR STUDENTS TO TO ONLY PARK ON THE ONE SIDE. OKAY. SO NO REAL TEETH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST A PLEASE TELL YOUR STUDENTS. AWESOME. OKAY. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THIS HAS BEEN NOTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON IT. JUST COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME. IF YOU'RE ONLINE, RAISE YOUR HAND. AND IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE. STAR NINE. ANYBODY ONLINE? LARRY. OKAY, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENT AND OR MOTIONS. COMMISSIONER ALLEN, WOULD YOU MIND FORWARDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION? THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THIS. SO BASED ON THE INFORMATION FINDINGS SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT AND UPON THE EVIDENCE AND EXPLANATION RECEIVED TODAY, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PERSONAL INSTRUCTION SERVICE LOCATED AT 4256 WEST, 8370 SOUTH AND M1 ZONE, WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AS DESCRIBED IN THE ANALYSIS OF SECTION FOUR OF THE STAFF REPORT. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER HACKER I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT CARRIES [b. Utah Outdoors Unlimited; 7880 South 1300 West; Conditional Use Permit for Outdoor Storage and Operations; C-M Zone; Utah Outdoors Unlimited/Brandon Oquendo (applicant) [Megan Jensen #35036; parcel 21-34-227-015]] SIX. NOTHING. NEXT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR UTAH OUTDOORS UNLIMITED AT 7880 SOUTH 1300 WEST. AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION FROM LAST MEETING. AND IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AND OPERATIONS AND A C ZONE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE BRANDON OQUENDO. COME UP HERE. HOW YOU DOING I APOLOGIZE I WAS SICK AT THE LAST MEETING. SO THAT FLU WAS A LITTLE BRUTAL. GOT ME A MONTH AGO. SO THANKS FOR ALLOWING THE CONTINUATION. I DON'T KNOW CAN I STAY UP HERE WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE PRESENTATION? OR IS IT MORE CUSTOMARY TO NOT BE UP HERE SECOND. THE SECOND TO THAT. OKAY, SO I AM REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A RV RECREATIONAL VEHICLE OUTDOOR BUSINESS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF RUNNING. WE RAN INTO THIS ISSUE ONCE WE HAD THE CODE ENFORCEMENT COME OUT TO DO THE FINAL APPROVAL. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY RELAYED TO ME THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NECESSITY. SO IT'S SECONDARY TO TO KIND OF STARTING THIS BUSINESS. SO IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME BARRIERS BLOCKING THE VIEW FROM THE ROADS. AND SO I'M KIND OF HOPING THERE WAS SOME DIRECTION FROM THE CITY ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHERE THOSE WOULD NEED TO GO. MAYBE THERE'D BE A LITTLE LENIENCY GIVEN THE AREA, AND A LOT OF THE AREA ALREADY CONTAINS MUCH LARGER VEHICLES THAN ANYTHING THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE STORING IN TERMS OF SEMI TRUCKS AND DUMP TRUCKS AND BOX TRUCKS AND ETC. SO, SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ALLOWING US TO STORE SOME OF THESE RVS OUTDOOR TEMPORARILY WHILE WE SERVICE THEM AND THEN RETURN THEM TO THE CUSTOMERS. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT? THANK YOU, MR. ACTOR. YEAH, I HAVE PROBABLY TWO CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WHEN I DROVE BY. THERE ARE RVS CURRENTLY. SO ARE YOU CURRENTLY DOING THE BUSINESS THAT YOU'RE HOPING TO EXPAND? YEAH, WE WE HAD STARTED THAT NOT THINKING WE WERE GOING TO RUN INTO ANY OBSTACLES GIVEN THE APPLICATION. AND THEN WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT CAME TO TALK TO US, THEY SAID YOU NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS. SO THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS OF THAT. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. SO YEAH. SO CURRENTLY THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS REGARDING PARKING FOR OFF STREET PARKING FOR PEOPLE WHO COME TO YOUR FACILITY WITH THE THE FENCING AND THE BARRIER THAT THEY WANT ON THE EASTERN AND SOUTH PART, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ACCOMMODATE SOME PEOPLE FROM. THAT'S WHAT I WAS WANTING TO KIND OF GET SOME DIRECTION FROM THE CITY FROM, BECAUSE THIS, THIS BUSINESS IS ONLY OCCUPYING THE BACK PORTION OF THE THE BUILDING. I OWN THE BUILDING AS [00:10:01] WELL. AND SO MAJORITY OF THE ROAD IS BLOCKED BY THE BUILDING ITSELF. THERE'S A SMALL PORTION THAT'S EXPOSED TO TEMPLE 1300 WEST, AND THEN AND THEN THE REST IS SORT OF BLOCKED BY BY BUILDING. AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT 77,900. I CAN'T SEE THAT 7900. THERE'S, THERE'S A SMALL PIECE THERE THAT'S EXPOSED. I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE THERE WOULD BE SOME LENIENCY FOR NOT HAVING TO OBSTRUCT THAT, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF TUCKED IN THAT BACK CORNER AND REALLY BLOCKING 1300 WOULD BE THE PRIMARY GOAL, I THINK, IN WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING TO ATTAIN THERE AND STILL ALLOWING SOME USE IN THAT SPACE TO BE ABLE TO GET, YOU KNOW, THINGS IN AND OUT OF THERE. SO GIVEN THAT I OWN THE BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY THE FRONT PART COULD CERTAINLY BE USED FOR FOR PARKING FOR THIS IF NECESSARY. BUT IT'S RARE THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE REALLY THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. THEY'RE THERE JUST TO BASICALLY PICK UP THEIR EQUIPMENT AND LEAVE. SO IT'S IT'S VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. OKAY. YEAH. I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO COME IN THE CAR TO PICK UP THEIR EQUIPMENT. YEAH. SO I WAS WONDERING WHAT YOUR SOLUTION. YEAH. I MEAN, THIS DEFINITELY ADDED A MUCH BIGGER OBSTACLE THAN I HAD INTENDED, JUST BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME SORT OF SOLID METAL FENCE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. OBVIOUSLY, I'M GOING TO NEED A GATE TO GET IN OUT OF THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO AGAIN, PART OF MY COMING HERE WAS TO HOPEFULLY GET A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION FROM THE CITY ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THEY WOULD REALLY WANT, GIVEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE. SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION. PERFECT. COMMISSIONER ALLEN. SO JUST TWO QUESTIONS RIGHT ALONG THE SAME LINE. WHERE DO THERE'S ONLY THREE OF YOU, BUT WHERE ARE THE EMPLOYEES? I GUESS PARK JUST KIND OF IN THAT SAME BACK SPACE. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LARGE INVENTORY. I THINK SOMETIMES WHAT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE THINKING IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WHEN YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S SOME IMAGES THAT I ATTACHED THAT WILL SHOW, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT INVENTORY. IT'S NOT THERE'S THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE BACK THERE FOR US TO MANEUVER AROUND. AND THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO OF US. I OCCUPY THIS FRONT SPACE WITH MY OTHER BUSINESSES. AND THEN MY PARTNER WHO'S IN THE BACK. BACK HERE, HE'S REALLY THE ONLY OTHER ONE. OUR THIRD PARTNER IS MORE OF A SILENT PARTNER, SO HE'S NEVER REALLY THERE. OKAY. WHICH LEADS US TO THE NEXT QUESTION. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE THE PICTURES. HOW MANY RVS WOULD YOU EXPECT? WE'LL SAY MAXIMUM AT A TIME. I MEAN, IF THERE WAS SOME AGAIN, DIRECTION THAT YOU GUYS SET THERE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE OBSTRUCTION, MAYBE LENIENCY, WE COULD WORK WITH THAT. WE DON'T REALLY NEED A TON. I MEAN, AT ANY GIVEN TIME, IT'S PROBABLY ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1 AND 5. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY MAYBE MAX SIX. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO WE HAVE ANOTHER SPACE DOWN IN UTAH COUNTY. AND SO WE UTILIZE THAT SPACE. IT'S MORE LIKE A VACANT PARCEL. AND SO WE STORE SOME STUFF THERE AND WE'RE CAPABLE OF STORING SOME STUFF THERE. AND CERTAINLY THAT MAY BE THE OPTION WE HAVE TO GO JUST GIVEN WHAT THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATION MAY BE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT THE CITY MAY REQUIRE HERE. SO, SO, SO SECONDARY QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF I CAN'T REACH SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO STILL OPERATE THAT BUSINESS AND NOT STORE THE VEHICLES THERE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I WAS HOPING TO KIND OF GET SOME DIRECTION THERE. SO A LOT OF THIS IS ME COMING HERE HOPING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE UNIQUE OF A SITUATION. YEAH. AND I'M SURE THE STAFF WALKED THROUGH THE PROCESS. AT LEAST WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IT'S A MATTER OF SETTING CONDITIONS TO MAKE IT SO THERE'S STILL MEETS WITH CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT. YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF DETAILS BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. SOUNDS LIKE I DON'T KNOW IF REASONABLE IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT MAYBE THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT THERE WOULD BE A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF RVS. YES. ON YOUR END. YEAH, I'M OPEN TO THAT. I MEAN, IF THE CITY WERE TO SET AN EXPECTATION THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY NAVIGATE THAT PRETTY EASILY, AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING TO STORE 20 OR 30 VEHICLES THERE BY ANY MEANS. THEY'RE LARGE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LARGE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, 15 TO LET'S SAY 30, 40FT. SO WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH SPACE TO KIND OF PUT SOME STUFF BACK THERE. AND IT'S NOT WE HAVE MORE SPACE OUTSIDE OF THIS LOCATION TO STORE LARGER EQUIPMENT VEHICLES. THAT WORKS. THANKS. YEAH. COMMISSIONER ACKER, SO THAT LEADS ME TO ANOTHER QUESTION. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE USING IT FOR WOULD BE FOR REPAIRING OF THE RVS AND NOT NECESSARILY STORAGE OF RVS. CORRECT. YEAH. SO IT'S BASICALLY VERY SHORT PERIODS OF TIME. THAT'S THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY STORING THEM THERE. BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT THIS CODE ENFORCEMENT TOLD ME ANY PERIOD OF TIME OF DURATION IS CONSIDERED STORING. AND SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S USUALLY RELATIVELY SHORT PERIODS OF TIME WITHIN LIKE A WEEK OR TWO, YOU KNOW, PRETTY QUICK. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. SO THE THE WORK IS ALSO DONE OUTSIDE ON THE RVS, USUALLY USUALLY INSIDE THE RVS BECAUSE IT'S MORE LIKE THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES. SO THEY'RE LARGER KIND OF VEHICLES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. SO IT'S BEING DONE INSIDE THE RVS IF YOU WILL. AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST KIND OF REPLACING A PART OR GETTING SOMETHING TO WORK PROPERLY FOR SOMEBODY THAT JUST PURCHASED THIS NEW RV. AND SO IT'S MINOR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MINOR STUFF. I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING I DON'T THINK I THINK THE LARGEST THING WE'VE DONE THERE IS PROBABLY REPLACE MAYBE SOME ROOF ON ONE OF THE VEHICLES. YEAH. AND WHAT I MEANT WAS THAT THE WORK ON THE RVS IS BEING DONE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, USUALLY INSIDE THE BUILDING THAT WE OWN. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE BEING STORED OUTSIDE. SO BUT I GUESS IN THEORY, YEAH. LIKE WE HAVE TO GO INSIDE OF THEM OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THERE [00:15:03] WAS A NOTE THAT, THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST WOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO STORE AND WORK ON THE RVS OUTSIDE, BUT THAT TOOLS WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN EACH NIGHT. YEAH. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING? YEAH. I MEAN, ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE INTO THE VEHICLES. WE CAN'T STORE THEM INSIDE THAT BUILDING. IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO STORE RVS, BUT ARE YOU DOING WORK IN THE OUTSIDE? YES, ON THE RVS, BUT INSIDE. BUT INSIDE THE RVS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT YES, OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, INSIDE THE RVS. OKAY. SO YOU'RE DOING OIL CHANGES. NO, NO, THESE ARE THESE ARE LIKE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES. THERE'S NO MOTORS NECESSARILY LIKE YOU'RE TALKING TRAVEL TRAILERS. YOU FIFTH WHEELS, YOU KNOW THAT YOU ATTACH. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO MECHANICS NECESSARILY TO A VEHICLE LIKE THAT OKAY. SO YOU GOT TO CHANGE A GENERATOR. YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT INSIDE OR ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT INSIDE THE BUILDING. YOU PULL IT INSIDE THE BUILDING TO DO THAT KIND OF WORK. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET SOME DIRECTION HERE TO SEE WHAT WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THERE. YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK OUTSIDE ON THE VEHICLE FOR A TEMPORARY PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING. IS IT TALL ENOUGH TO BRING THE RVS IN? SOME OF THEM, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM, CERTAINLY. HOW TALL IS YOUR BUILDING ON THE INSIDE? IT'S PROBABLY NOT SO MUCH THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. IT'S THE DOOR ITSELF IS A 10 TO 10 FOOT DOOR, SO I HAVE A TEN FOOT DOOR. SO ANYTHING UNDER TEN FEET WE CAN GET IN THERE. BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S QUITE A FEW RVS THAT ARE BIGGER THAN TEN FEET. OKAY. THANKS. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. IF WE HAVE ANY MORE, WE'LL CALL YOU UP AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. MEGAN. YEAH. SO I'LL JUST REVIEW WHAT WE WENT OVER LAST MEETING. THIS IS IN A HEAVY COMMERCIAL ZONE. AS FAR AS THE REQUIRED SCREENING. THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED. THE REQUIRED SCREENING WOULD BE METAL FENCING AND A METAL GATE OR A OPAQUE GATE TO BLOCK THE STORAGE YARD FROM THE PUBLIC ROADS. AND THEN ON THE. THE INTERNAL PROPERTY LINES, SO ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE NORTH SIDE THAT WOULD ONLY BE REQUIRED TO BE CHAIN LINK WITH PRIVACY SLATS. THERE'S AN EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE ON THE WEST SIDE, SO THE SCREENING WOULD JUST NEED TO THE SLATS WOULD JUST NEED TO BE ADDED TO THAT. THE OUTDOOR STORAGE CAN'T GO IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, SO WE WOULD WANT THE FENCES TO BE BEHIND THE BUILDINGS FOR THAT. AS FAR AS THE PARKING. SO I'VE INCLUDED THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE THREE EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE ON SITE. I THINK THE IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A PARKING PLAN FOR STAFF APPROVAL, AND WITH THAT, THIS THIS SPACE WOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF RVS THAT COULD BE STORED THERE. SO THOSE ARE MY RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT. THESE ARE SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE MENTIONED BEFORE. THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING FROM BOTH BOTH STREET VIEWS. WITH THAT THESE ARE THE SAME CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WERE RECOMMENDED LAST WEEK. AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE FOR THE FENCING? THE BLACK BAR IS WHERE WE'RE SUGGESTING TO PUT A SOLID METAL OR MASONRY, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. SO THAT IS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, NOT NECESSARILY OUR DRAWING. OKAY. THAT WOULD WORK FOR OUR PURPOSES, THE REQUIREMENTS. YEAH, I KNOW ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS SAID TO PUT IT ON THE EAST AND SOUTH TO SCREEN FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE JUST PUTTING IT ON THE ONE SIDE. YEAH, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE ANOTHER FENCE ON THAT NORTH NORTHWESTERN SIDE BECAUSE THERE'S A PUBLIC ROAD THERE AS WELL. OKAY. SOUTHWESTERN. YES. THANK YOU. SO THE SOUTHWESTERN BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE RED LINE TO THE WEST. YEP. WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER FENCE OR GATE THERE. YES. AND THAT WOULD BE THE SOLID SOLID METAL. YES. SO DOES THE GATE HAVE TO BE SOLID METAL AS WELL? YES. SO CHAIN LINK WITH SLATS DOESN'T DO IT FOR THE GATE. NO. OKAY. SO THIS PICTURE IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER BLACK BAR GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION THERE CORRECT. YEAH. AND THAT WOULD BE A REQUIRE A CITY REQUIREMENT OF APPROVAL OKAY. YEAH. THANKS. COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. SO WHEN I READ READ THE REPORT, [00:20:04] WHEN YOU SAID ON THE EAST SIDE, I WAS THINKING IT HAD TO GO ALL ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF 1300 WEST. SO THE FENCING, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING? NO, SORRY. JUST JUST BETWEEN JUST TO BLOCK OFF GETTING AROUND. YES. BECAUSE THE BUILDING WOULD, WOULD SCREEN IT FROM THE REST OF IT. YEAH. OKAY. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. COMMISSIONER ALLEN. I, I RECOGNIZE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY TODAY, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP. SO I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION, LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE OF DOWN THE STREET, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER LARGE VEHICLES. I IS IS THAT PROPER OR IS CODE ENFORCEMENT GOING THROUGH AND TALKING TO ALL THOSE FOLKS TOO? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE STATUS OF THOSE OTHER BUSINESSES WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT IF THEY ARE BUSINESS VEHICLES BEING STORED, THEN THEN THEY SHOULD BE ON THE SITE. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I FIGURE WE'RE NOT. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT SINGLING ANYTHING OUT HERE IN PARTICULAR. AND THEN WE TALKED WITH WE HEARD LAST TIME SOME THOUGHTS. AND YOU DID WELL IN THE BACKGROUND MEMO TO TO STATE THIS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M TRACKING CORRECTLY ON THAT NORTH WHERE IT SAYS PROPERTY LINE. THE CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT WOULD HAVE THE PRIVACY SLATS IN DOESN'T RUN ALL THE WAY TO THE SIDEWALK. IT STOPS AT TEN FEET BEFORE. YES. SO THE TEN FEET WOULD ONLY BE THE REQUIREMENT. THEY CAN MOVE IT FURTHER BACK. THE CHAIN LINK FENCE WOULD JUST RUN TO WHERE THE THE GATE IS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IT DOESN'T NEED TO RUN ALL THE WAY OUT TO 1300. AND MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THAT TOO THEN. SO THERE'S IS THERE ANY FENCING ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE CURRENTLY? NO, BUT THERE IS ON THE WEST. YES. OKAY. IT'S HARD TO SEE DRIVING BY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. CAN YOU CAN YOU GO TO THE PICTURE FROM THE STREET FROM 7900. OH, I DO SEE IT SNUCK BETWEEN THE TRUCK AND THE AND THE LITTLE TRAILER CAMPER TRAILER THERE. OKAY, SO THEN IF THEY THEY WERE REQUESTING IT SEEMS LIKE THE APPLICANT REQUESTED, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH SPACE TO MANEUVER. IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO ALSO DO ANOTHER CHAIN LINK FENCE FROM THIS SOUTH WEST CORNER OF THEIR BUILDING OUT TO 7900, COULD THEY THEN DO A FENCE, A SOLID STEEL GATE ACROSS THE 7900 LINE AND HAVE ALL OF THAT AREA? OR WOULD THAT VIOLATE A CODE? IT SHOULD BE BEHIND THE BUILDING, SO THEY WOULD NEED TO PUT IT, YOU KNOW, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING LINE? YEAH. WHERE THE BUILDING STARTS. OKAY. SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EXTEND THE THE STORAGE AREA BEYOND THE BUILDING LIMIT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. THIS HAS BEEN NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. MY NAME IS KIM RALPH. ADDRESS? NO, JUST MY NAME IS KIM RALPH. I'M A NEIGHBOR TO THIS PROPERTY JUST DOWN 13TH. I RUN A FARM JUST DOWN 13TH FROM HERE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THIS AND BE MORE FRIENDLY TO BUSINESSES IN. THIS IS THE EXACT KIND OF USE IN THIS AREA. IT'S HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND MY BUSINESS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. NOLAN'S JUST A STONE'S THROW FROM HERE. THEY'RE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. THERE'S A SPRINKLER SUPPLY THERE. AND ALSO THE LUMBER COMPANY CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT, BUT IT FITS VERY WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT, LIKE ALL PLACES, IT HAS AN OPAQUE FENCE AROUND IT, NOT CHAIN LINK WITH SLATS. I KNOW THAT'S NOT APPROVED IN WEST JORDAN ANYMORE, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS OPAQUE FENCE. BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BE IN A 50 YEAR RESIDENT HERE. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BE VERY FRIENDLY TO BUSINESSES. WE NEED THEM A LOT MORE THAN WE NEED MULTIFAMILY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON? MY NAME [00:25:11] IS KEVIN TOLBERT. I SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING, EXPRESSED MY CONCERNS, AND WE SUBMITTED PICTURES SHOWING A MOTORHOME, 40 FOOT MOTORHOME THAT WAS PARKED RIGHT UP ALONG THE THE CURB NEXT TO OUR BUILDING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW IT IMPACTS THE VISUAL COMING DOWN 13TH WEST AS FAR AS LOOKING AT OUR BUILDING. AND AT THAT TIME, THE THE SIGNAGE, YOU COULDN'T EVEN SEE THE SIGN ON THE FRONT OF OUR BUILDING BECAUSE OF THAT MOTORHOME THAT WAS PARKED THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT AREA IS ZONED FOR AND THERE'S SEVERAL EXCAVATING COMPANIES THERE, BUT ONE OF THE BUILDINGS RIGHT BEHIND US, A SMALL YELLOW METAL BUILDING, THERE'S AN EXCAVATING COMPANY THAT'S MOVED IN THERE. AND SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I'VE BEEN THERE, THEY'VE GOT DUMP TRUCKS AND TRAILERS PARKED OUT ON THE STREET. AND AND SO THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO ME TO BE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FENCE. NOBODY'S TOLD ME HOW HIGH THE FENCE IS GOING TO BE AND HOW FAR OUT GOING TOWARDS 13TH. IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE I MEAN, I SEE THIS DRAWING SUBMITTED WITH RED LINES, BUT THERE'S NO DIMENSIONS OR ANYTHING ON THERE. AND THERE'S, THERE'S FENCES ON SOME OF THE OTHER METAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEHIND US. THAT'S CHAIN LINK WITH SLATS, AND IT'S FALLEN DOWN AND HALF THE SLATS ARE BUSTED OUT OF IT. AND SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ESTHETICS OF OF HOW THAT LOOKS. AND, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 13TH WEST IN THE CEMETERY WILL APPRECIATE IT EITHER. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. AND I EXPRESSED BEFORE THAT I WOULD BE WILLING AND IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO US IF THEY RAN THE FENCE FROM THE BACK CORNER OF THEIR BUILDING TO THE FRONT CORNER OF OUR BUILDING, WITH A GATE THAT SWUNG OVER AGAINST THEIR BUILDING, AND THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO US. AND AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, A POSSIBILITY. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK? NO. COME ON UP. OH, HE'S. OH I'M SORRY. I'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. YOU'VE ALREADY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE WITH YOUR OTHER PARTNER THERE. SO I GUESS I NEED A. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK? FOR A MINUTE? I'M JOSH TOLBERT. WE'RE THE TENANTS OF THAT BUILDING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT ONLY ON ONE OTHER DETAIL THAT IS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS OUR BUSINESS, THE FACE OF OUR BUSINESS, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY PUT THAT GATE, IT'S OBSTRUCTED OR THE GATE WOULD BE OUT FURTHER THAN THE FRONT OF OUR BUILDING. AND SO FOR VISUAL AND ALSO LIKE WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE LIKE A METAL GATE AND THEN LIKE A CHAIN LINK GATE, YOU KNOW, OR A CHAIN LINK FENCE BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS ARE OFFSET. SO AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING OPTIONS AND WHAT WE CAN DO, OUR BUILDING IS ALL A STONE BLOCK BUILDING. SO IT WORKED REALLY. YOU KNOW, IF IT WORKS FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, LIKE KEVIN SAID, IT WOULD HELP TO MAKE EVERYTHING WORK BETTER IF WE CAN GO FROM CORNER TO CORNER RIGHT THERE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL WORK OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? NOBODY ONLINE. OKAY. THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE. PARDON ME NOT NOT OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND JUST AS A REMINDER WE REOPENED IT THIS AS A CONTINUATION FROM OUR LAST MEETING THAT WE DID HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING JUST TO CLARIFY THAT. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THAT AND BRING IT UP FOR COMMENT AND OR QUESTIONS. AND IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE CAN CALL UP THE. COME ON JONATHAN. YEAH. NOW WE CAN DO WE DO WE WANT TO HAVE QUESTIONS. NO. [00:30:11] YEAH OKAY. YEAH. ASK A QUESTION. CHAT FOR A MINUTE BEFORE WE BRING THE APPLICANT BACK. YES PLEASE. ALRIGHT. THANKS. GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD. NO, NO, IT'S IT'S ALWAYS FUN. RIGHT. SO WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONVERSATION HERE FIRST. SO HERE'S MY $0.02 GOING THROUGH AND THAT IS I, I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE BUSINESS FOR THE AREA. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VALUABLE WITHIN THE CITY. I DO WANT TO SEE MORE OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY PROPOSED BEFORE WE APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL PERMIT. AND SO MY $0.02, AT LEAST FOR EVERYBODY'S CONSIDERATION, IS I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS COME BACK WITH AN ACTUAL PLAN THAT DOES HAVE MEASUREMENTS, DOES DICTATE WHAT KIND OF GATE, WHERE THE GATES ARE LOCATED, WHERE THE FENCES ARE LOCATED. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I UP FIRST. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING AN ACTUAL PLAN THAT WE'RE APPROVING AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF GENERIC GUIDELINES. AND I KNOW THE APPLICANTS LOOKING FOR THOUGHTS FROM US, AND MAYBE THAT GETS TRANSMITTED BEST FROM STAFF, FRANKLY, THAT PROBABLY GETS TRANSMITTED BEST FROM THE NEIGHBORS WHO JUST SPOKE OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. AND SO I THINK IF YOU INCORPORATE THAT, MY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO BE, HOW DO THEY FEEL ABOUT THE CORNER TO CORNER GATE? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT, THEN THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLAN TO COME BACK WITH AND PRESENT TO US. SO AND THEN WE DO NEED TO SEE WHAT THE APPLICANT IS INTENDING TO DO ON THE SOUTH SIDE. COMMISSIONER ACKER YES, THOSE WERE MY CONCERNS AS WELL. MY ONLY CONCERN WITH GOING CORNER TO CORNER IS AN ANGLE AND IT IS OFFSET, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE IF THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED WITH OTHER IDEAS AS WELL. BUT I AGREE WITH AMAN. COMMISSIONER ALLEN, SORRY THAT IT IS A GREAT USE FOR THIS PROPERTY. AND IT IT GOES RIGHT IN. AND SO JUST MORE CLARIFICATION WOULD HELP. THE OTHER QUESTION IS COULD THAT BE AT THE NEXT MEETING SO THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT TOO MUCH LONGER? WE COULD SET UP A TIME. I MEAN SET IT A DATE SPECIFIC DATE. SO THAT THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING. YOU JUST HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT IN OUR MOTION. OKAY. SO YEAH, BUT YEAH. SORRY. ON THE MEETING DATE. YEAH. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF WE JUST POSTPONED THIS UNTIL NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MEETING. NEXT MEETING. AND THAT WAY MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US A LITTLE CLEARER DIRECTION, BECAUSE I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS. I DO THINK IT'S A GREAT BUSINESS. PROBABLY FITS GREAT IN THAT LOCATION, BUT WITH WHAT AT LEAST I'M SEEING, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE WAY SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE FEELING, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE DEFINITION ON THE PLANS FOR THE PARKING. SO PARDON ME FOR INTERRUPTING. SO WHAT ARE THE WHAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GIVE STAFF DO WHERE DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE GATES LOCATED. YOU KNOW WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE THEM ON THE BOTH THE SOUTH END AND BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS. AND SOME WAY THAT LOOKS APPROPRIATE. BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS MITIGATING THE DETRIMENTAL EFFECT. REMEMBER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ELIMINATE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT. YOU DETERMINE IF IT IS A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT. AND SO SOME STAFF TO OR SOME GUIDANCE TO STAFF IS OUR GATES ENOUGH. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT BY THEIR OWN FREE WILL WHEN THEY CAME UP ASKED WE'RE ASKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE TO POSTPONE THIS FOR TWO WEEKS. BUT MEGAN NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE SO THAT SHE'S NOT SHOOTING FROM THE HIP HERE, YOU KNOW. SO. COMMISSIONER ALLEN, SO I'LL, I'LL THROW OUT WHAT I'VE HEARD AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE CHIRP IN. YES, I THINK GATE IS NEEDED ON THE EAST AND ON THE SOUTH THAT THOSE GATES SHOULD BE BEHIND THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING. I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND LAYOUT. CAN WE GET SIX RVS? CAN IT BE EIGHT RVS? SO SHOW ROUGHLY HOW THOSE WOULD BE SITUATED ON THE SITE. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE WHAT WHERE THE PARKING STALL OR STALLS 1 OR 2 ARE IN CONCERT WITH ONE OF THOSE RVS ARE SET UP. AND THEN THE THE FENCING PLAN ALONG THE NORTH LOOKS LIKE ALONG THE WEST IS ALREADY OPAQUE. SO IT WOULD BE A FENCING PLAN ALONG THE NORTH. HOW FAR OUT WOULD COME FROM THAT BUILDING? THE HEIGHT, THOSE GENERAL DETAILS, BUT JUST [00:35:05] SOMETHING WITH THE PLAN. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT PLAN IS NOT FOR STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER. THAT PLAN IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO PUT TOGETHER, BUT OBVIOUSLY LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK. AND I'D MAKE JUST EVEN A NOTATION THAT PROBABLY THE APPLICANT COULD MEET WITH THE OTHER OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY. AND SO THAT EVERYBODY'S KIND OF ON THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC. SO THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE THE OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS TO. AND THEN COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. YEAH, THANKS. I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IF FOR SOME REASON THE APPLICANT DOES NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THE NORTH FENCE FROM CORNER TO CORNER, EXPLAIN TO US WHY WHEN YOU COME BACK, IF THERE'S A REASON WHY THAT DOESN'T WORK, HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY THAT DOESN'T WORK. SO WE'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, DECIDING BLINDLY OF TWO NEIGHBORS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. COMMISSIONER ROBERTS. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD. I ALSO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I AGREE THAT GATES ARE GATES ARE SUFFICIENT TO MITIGATE THE ISSUE WITH REGARD TO THE CORNER TO CORNER ISSUE, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER AKER THAT THE OFFSET FENCE IS NOT MY IDEAL. I'D RATHER SEE IT GO STRAIGHT ACROSS FROM ONE CORNER OF THE BUILDING OR THE OTHER, AND ADD SIX FEET OF FENCE TO TO MAKE IT SQUARE. BUT YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S REALLY IT. THE ONLY, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I, THAT I HAD AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED A QUESTION, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THE OTHER BUSINESS IN THE BUILDING DO WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR PARKING FOR THAT? I UNDERSTAND THAT CURRENTLY THE APPLICANT IS RUNNING HIS OTHER BUSINESS OUT OF IT, BUT THAT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE CASE. SO HE MAY END UP LEASING IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE FOR ANOTHER, ANOTHER BUSINESS THERE. DO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT? PARKING. PARKING IS CALCULATED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE SO THAT REALLY WOULDN'T CHANGE OKAY. PERFECT. THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF COVERS MY QUESTIONS AND MY THOUGHTS. SO COMMISSIONER AKER, I HAD ONE QUESTION ON THE NORTH SIDE. IT'S THE APPLICANT WAS LOOKING FOR USING SOME OF THAT EXTRA LONG DRIVEWAY FOR ADDITIONAL RVS OR OTHER PARKING. SO IF YOU DID THE FENCING, IS THAT GOING TO LIMIT THE RVS FROM COMING IN, COMING IN ONE WAY AND GOING UP THE OTHER? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, COMMISSIONER, I THINK WE'RE TRACKING. SO WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT BRING FORWARD WITH WHATEVER THEIR PROPOSAL IS, AND THEN THEY CAN JUSTIFY IF THAT IS THE CASE, OR WE CAN LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S OTHER DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS AND HOW DO THEY GET MITIGATED. OKAY. I THINK WE BEAT THIS. DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION. THEN I'LL GIVE IT A TRY. I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF. AND THEN MAYBE WE DO NEED TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT BRIEFLY. BUT IS TWO WEEKS ENOUGH? IT WOULD BE, FOR OUR PURPOSES, ASSUMING THE APPLICANT CAN GET US A SITE PLAN IN THAT TIME. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. WE DON'T NEED TO TO DO PUBLIC NOTICING IF WE CONTINUE IT BECAUSE THIS IS THIS WILL BE CONSIDERED THAT. SO ALL WE'D HAVE TO DO IS BRING IT AS A BUSINESS ITEM. AND YES. YEP. SO WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD, CAN WE BRING THE APPLICANT BACK UP, FIND OUT WHAT HIS THOUGHTS ARE AND THEN TIMING IF THE APPLICANT WOULD COME BACK UP. SO MUCH HARDER TO BEAT THAN I EXPECTED. I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME BACK. I DON'T THINK I WELL, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE, AND I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS RECOMMEND. THE ONLY THING I WAS HOPING TO GET CLARITY ON THE FENCE BETWEEN KATIE AND I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SORT OF ISSUE WITH. I THINK I CAN MAKE SOMETHING ESTHETICALLY PLEASING THAT GOES THERE. TRUTHFULLY, MY BIGGEST HANG UP IS THE IS WHAT'S REQUIRED ON THE 7900 SIDE. JUST BECAUSE, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, BUT THERE'S LITERALLY INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT STORED ALL UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD WITHOUT BEING HIDDEN FROM 7900. AND SO I WAS HOPING THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF LENIENCY IN WHAT COULD BE ACROSS THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST NUMBER ONE FINANCIAL OBLIGATION OF WHATEVER THIS IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO AND TO OBSTRUCTION OF THAT, YOU KNOW, LOT. AND SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD BE DONE OR WHAT WHAT IS ALLOWED THERE. I REALIZE IT'S KIND OF A CITY REQUIRED THING, BUT JUST GIVEN THE AREA AND YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH HEAVY EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DRIVEN DOWN THAT ROAD, YOU CAN YOU'VE SEEN IT FOR YOURSELF. THERE'S THERE'S MUCH BIGGER VEHICLES ON THAT ROAD THAT ARE MUCH MORE VISIBLE TO THE ROAD THAN HIDDEN BEHIND MY BUILDING. SO, SO IF THERE WAS ANY SORT OF LENIENCY THAT COULD BE GIVEN THERE ON THAT FENCE, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD HOPE FOR. THE FENCE BETWEEN KATIE AND I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WHETHER THEY WANT TO SQUARE IT OFF. IT IS AN OFFSET. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE I THINK I CAN MAKE THAT LOOK ESTHETICALLY FINE. I'M, I'M A I'M A CONTRACTOR AS WELL. SO I [00:40:01] HAVE SOME DECENT CONTACTS THAT MAKE STUFF LOOK OKAY. BUT BUT THE ONE FROM EAST TO WEST IS WHERE I'M REALLY STRUGGLING ON HOW DO I MAKE THAT WORK, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU GET A FENCE BIG ENOUGH ACROSS THERE WITHOUT IT HAVING BE CUMBERSOME TO OPEN AND CLOSE? THERE'S JUST A LOT OF BARRIERS THAT I'M AFRAID MIGHT BE MAYBE EVEN TOO BIG FOR ME TO TACKLE TO MAKE THAT WORK. SO AGAIN, IF THERE WAS ANY LENIENCY THERE JUST GIVEN THE AREA, THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL FOR ME. I HAVE NO CONTENTION WITH THE WITH THE FENCE THAT I DREW UP ON THAT PLAN ON THAT OTHER SIDE, BUT BUT THE EAST TO WEST FENCE MIGHT BE MIGHT BE A REAL STRUGGLE. GOOD. SO PROCEDURALLY, WHEN WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR CONDITIONAL AREA, IT'S WE IMPLEMENT CITY CODE AND THEN ADD CONDITIONS BEYOND THAT. IF THERE'S A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT, WE CAN'T GO BACK AND PUT A CONDITION THAT TAKES AWAY CITY. AND SO UNFORTUNATELY THAT EAST WEST IS ON THE TABLE. IT CAN'T COME OFF OKAY. MAKES SENSE. AND THEN AND THEN AS FAR AS LIKE THE SOLID METAL, YOU KNOW, THAT BECOMES ANOTHER SORT OF BARRIER THERE. THERE'S NO CHANCE THERE. THAT COULD BE SOME SORT OF LIKE SLATTED, YOU KNOW, SLATTED CHAIN LINK FENCE. OPEN IT UP. I KNOW IT'S A SOLID METAL. WHAT DO WE DEFINE AS A SOLID METAL? WHAT TYPES OF GATES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? JUST MAINLY THAT IT'S OPAQUE AND NOT, YOU KNOW, CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT. IT DOESN'T REALLY DEFINE THE TYPES OF, YOU KNOW, MATERIAL OR ANYTHING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S TOO MUCH MORE DIRECTION WE CAN PROVIDE ON THAT. ASIDE FROM CONTACTING A FENCE CONTRACTOR, I'M SURE YOU'VE DONE FENCING AND OTHER LOCATIONS TOO, SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL. AND IS THERE ANY SORT OF LIKE VARIANCE YOU CAN REQUEST FROM THE CITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? GIVEN THAT IT'S LIKE A CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE? NO TO THAT. BUT I THINK THAT MY INSTRUCTION TO THE APPLICANT WOULD BE JUST TO DRAW IT UP AND BRING IT BACK TO MEGAN, AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT, OKAY? OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? IS TWO WEEKS ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU? THAT WAS THANK YOU FOR MY LIFE IS CHAOS RIGHT NOW. I APOLOGIZE, I'M SO BUSY. IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN GET SOME MORE TIME ON THAT? EVEN, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. I DO HAVE A MEETING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT OVER THIS AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, SO AT LEAST IF I CAN SHOW IS MAKING SOME MOVEMENT ON ON THE CUP. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. BUT BUT IF I CAN GET A LITTLE MORE TIME BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE PUTTING TOGETHER MEETINGS ON MARCH 3RD AND MARCH 17TH. SO YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH TIME BY MARCH 3RD WOULD BE FINE. OKAY. I'M GONNA SAY, YEAH, WE COULD POSTPONE IT TO THE MARCH MEETING. THAT'D BE VERY HELPFUL FOR ME. JUST TRY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU. THANK YOU. YES, I KNOW WHEN YOU SAID TWO WEEKS, I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH. WE WE WERE THINKING OF IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. IT CERTAINLY WOULD IF I DIDN'T HAVE SO MUCH ON MY PLATE AT THE MOMENT. SO YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING LENIENT THERE. OKAY. WELL BASED ON THAT I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU THAT WE CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE MARCH 3RD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT CARRIES SIX TO NOTHING. SO WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THAT WILL [a. Rolfe Subdivision; 2659 W 7000 S & 2660 West Beverly Glen Avenue; Rezone; Kim Rolfe (applicant){Tayler Jensen/Nate Nelson/Greg Davenport #34822 Parcels # 21-28-201-053-0000 & 21-28-201-024-0000]] BE CONTINUED TILL MARCH 3RD. THIS ONE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL ACTION. AND THIS WILL BE RALPH SUBDIVISION 2659 WEST, 7000 SOUTH AND 2660 WEST BEVERLY GLEN AVENUE. AND KIM RALPH IS THE APPLICANT. COME UP. COME ON UP, MAYOR. I LIKE THAT TITLE, BY THE WAY. AND NOT MAYOR ANYMORE. HAPPY TO NOT BE. I HAVE LIVED HERE 50 YEARS IN THE HOUSE, SITS ON 70TH AT FIRST AND THEN BUILT. THE HOUSE SITS ON BEVERLY GLEN. I'VE BEEN RENTING THE HOUSE ON 70TH THAT I ORIGINALLY BOUGHT, AND THIS SUBDIVISION IS JUST SO THAT I CAN. I DON'T WANT TO BE A LANDLORD ANYMORE. I WANT TO SELL THAT HOUSE ON 70TH AND RETAIN ALL THAT I'VE OWNED PREVIOUS FOR 24 YEARS. I'VE HAD TENANTS ONE FOR 17 YEARS. THAT WAS A FORMER TENANT. BUT I'M NOT CHANGING THE USE IN ANY WAY. THE HOUSE WILL STILL BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE OUTDOOR RIDING ARENA, THE BARN OR THE HOUSE THAT I CURRENTLY HAVE IN. ON 2660 WEST BEVERLY GLEN AVENUE. SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE PRETTY SIMPLE, BUT I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. OKAY, TAYLOR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHAIR AND [00:45:09] COMMISSION. JUST TO KIND OF TOUCH ON WHAT MR. OLSON SAID. YOU CAN SEE HIS PROPERTY HERE. HERE WE CAN SEE WHERE THE ZONING IS BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FRONT PROPERTY IS THE RR 0.5 WITH THE BACK PROPERTY IS THE R 110, AS MENTIONED IN THE PRE MEETING THAT BACK PROPERTY HAS SPLIT ZONING. SO YOU SEE HOW IT CROSSES THERE. THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO MOVE THE PROPERTY LINE SO THEY CAN SELL THE FRONT. THE ONLY THING STOPPING US IS STAFF FROM PROCESSING. THAT IS WE CAN'T HAVE A LOT THAT'S THAT SMALL. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE REZONE. SO REZONE WOULD MOVE ALL THIS TO R 110 WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE BACK LOT TO BE ENLARGED THERE. SO HE CAN INCLUDE THE WRITING ARENA WITH HIS HOUSE ON BEVERLY GLEN. AND THEN LOT TWO WOULD BE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT THERE AT THE FRONT. THIS DOES NOT CREATE ANY NEW LOTS. IT MOVES THE PROPERTY LINE. AND AS MENTIONED, BEVERLY GLEN CURRENTLY HAS SPLIT ZONING, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE REALLY LOVE. WE DO NEXT STEPS FOR THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL ACTION ON THE REZONE AT CITY COUNCIL. WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT AT PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN FINAL PLAT TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF. WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. YEAH, JUST BRIEFLY. SO THIS WOULD REZONE THE ENTIRE AREA TO THE R 110. SO IS THAT THAT WOULD ENABLE HIM TO CREATE THAT LOT ON THE WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE FRONT 70TH SOUTH IS THE FRONT CORRECT. SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S STILL TWO LOTS. IT JUST BASICALLY MOVE THE LINE INSTEAD OF HAVING THE BACK LOT BE 10,000FT■!S, THE FRONT LOT BECOE 10,000FT■!S. AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE THE OVER HALF ACRE LOT. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN ON THIS MAP. SO LOT TWO THAT'S ALREADY IN AN R1 TEN ZONE RIGHT. PART OF IT. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE THE SOUTHERN LOT. MOST OF IT'S IN THE I 110 ZONE. BUT THE PORTION OF IT'S IN THE RR 0.5 RIGHT OF THE BEVERLY GLEN LOT. RIGHT. BUT THE PART THAT WOULD BE THE SMALL LOT, THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT CURRENTLY ON 70TH. CURRENTLY IT'S IN RR 0.5. SO IT'S A HALF ACRE LOT. OH IT'S ALSO IN RR 0.5 I SEE. YES OKAY, I WAS READING MY MAP BACKWARDS BUT THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO WE'RE BASICALLY TAKING TWO LOTS AND CONVERTING IT TO THREE. CORRECT. WE'RE TAKING TWO LOTS. THEY'RE STAYING TWO LOTS. WE'RE JUST GIVING THEM THE SAME ZONING. AND THEN THE CURRENT LOT WHICH IS 10,000FT■!S, IS GOING TO BECE LIKE THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE AND A THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE LOT. IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN TO 10,000FT■!S. OKAY. THAT'S DONE. THAT'LL BE THE PLAT. AND THE REASON FOR THE PLAT IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO A SLIGHT DEDICATION OF PROPERTY ON 70TH FOR WIDENING, AND BECAUSE THEY ARE IN TWO DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS, WE CAN'T DO IT. IT'S A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT. WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO AN AMENDED PLAT FOR THAT PURPOSE. COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THIS TO PREVENT HIM FROM PUTTING TWO MORE HOUSES ON THAT LARGER ACREAGE? AND IF SO, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THAT? THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT. YOU'D HAVE TO MEET ALL THE STANDARDS. IT'S LIKELY YOU COULD GET A SINGLE FLAG LOT, NOT TWO LOTS, AND THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION TO BE OPEN TO HIM. THAT WOULD STILL MEET THE STANDARDS OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AS WELL AS OUR GENERAL PLAN. YEAH. AND DOES THIS REQUIRE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT OR DOES THE. NO, IT DOES NOT. SO OUR 110 FITS THE GENERAL PLAN. YES. AND IF HE WERE TO SPLIT IT FURTHER. CORRECT OKAY. PERFECT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THIS HAS BEEN NOTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. JUST COME UP TO THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME. IF YOU'RE ONLINE, RAISE YOUR HAND. PHONE STAR NINE. GOING ONCE TWICE. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENT AND OR MOTIONS. COMMISSIONER ALLEN, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONE OF APPROXIMATELY 1.2 ACRES FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL HALF ACRE MINIMUM LOTS ARE 0.5 D TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM. LOTS R1 TEN TO THE WESTERN CITY COUNCIL, SUBJECT TO ALL REQUIREMENTS OF APPROVAL. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION, COMMISSIONER ACKER. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT CARRIES SIX. NOTHING. NEXT ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT IS OUR INFORMATION ITEM [a. Review of Balanced Housing Report for 2025] [00:50:09] REVIEW OF THE BALANCED HOUSING REPORT FOR 2025. MARK YOU'RE UP. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. YEAH. SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS. SO THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO IS FOUND IN THE WESTERN CITY CODE IN TITLE 13, CHAPTER EIGHT, SECTION 23. AND THIS WAS INITIALLY ADOPTED BACK IN 2014, IN RESPONSE TO MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE OCCURRING IN THE CITY AND IN OTHER CITIES AS WELL. AND KIND OF AS AN ATTEMPT TO KIND OF REIGN THAT IN AND CONTROL WHERE THAT DENSITY IS SUPPOSED MAKES THE MOST SENSE. AND SO IT'S BEEN AMENDED SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THEN, MOSTLY TO ADD NEW EXCEPTIONS TO THAT CAP. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT SOME OF THOSE EXEMPTIONS ARE, IS THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT THE CITY DEEMS TO BE MORE CONDUCIVE TO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, NEXT TO A LIGHT RAIL STATION, WHICH WOULD BE OUR TRANSIT STATION OVERLAY DISTRICT, PLANNED COMMUNITY OF 75 ACRES OR LARGER, IN WHICH CASE A SMALL PERCENTAGE COULD BE MULTIFAMILY AND THE REST IS SINGLE FAMILY. AGAIN, KEEPING WITH WITHIN THAT TARGET RATIO. OTHERS INCLUDE DEVELOPMENT AROUND MAJOR HIGHWAY INTERCHANGES. SO THIS WOULD BE OUR INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE. AND THEN MOST RECENTLY WE'VE ADDED TWO EXCEPTIONS TO TO THE LIST. ONE WOULD BE THE CORRIDOR ZONE FOR FOR MIXED USE PROJECTS ALONG REDWOOD ROAD IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS THAT ARE MAPPED ON OUR GENERAL PLAN. AND THE OTHER WOULD BE THE HOMEOWNERSHIP PROMOTION ZONE, WHICH WAS JUST RECENTLY PASSED, WHICH ALLOWS FOR MULTIFAMILY. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF A STATE INITIATIVE TO INCREASE THE STOCK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN THE CITY. SO SO AGAIN, THE THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS, IS REALLY THE RIGHT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT FOR THE RIGHT LOCATION. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE DRIVING FACTOR. AND SO WE DO WE CONTROL THAT THROUGH THAT EXCEPTIONS LIST. SO THE DESIRED HOUSING RATIO THAT THE CITY IS REALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE BUT HASN'T YET AND PROBABLY WON'T FOR SOME TIME, IS 77% SINGLE FAMILY AND 23% MULTIFAMILY. SO THE BUILDING PERMIT NUMBERS FOR 2025, WE GOT 277 NEW HOMES THIS YEAR. AND IN TERMS OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS, WE GOT 483. AND SO WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT CITYWIDE, WE'RE AT 28,046 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND SO THAT RATIO PUTS US AT ABOUT 72% OF ALL RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE CITY. AND THEN MULTIFAMILY, WE'RE AT 10,921 UNITS, WHICH PUTS US AT A RATIO OF 28%. SO THIS IS JUST SOME GRAPHS HERE, JUST SHOWING SOME OF THE TRENDS OVER THE YEARS SINCE 2020. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE WITH SINGLE FAMILY, IT STARTED GOING UP. YOU KNOW THINGS WERE RECOVERING FROM THE 2008 RECESSION AND COVID HIT AND THINGS STARTED TO DROP OFF A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT OF A BUMP THERE. BUT FROM 2023, WE'VE HAD KIND OF A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A STEADY CLIMB. SO I'M HOPING THAT THAT TREND CONTINUES. AND THEN WITH MULTIFAMILY UNITS, WE'VE KIND OF SEEN THIS ZIGZAG PATTERN OVER THE YEARS. EVEN BEFORE 2020. BUT YEAH, WITH MULTIFAMILY UNITS, IT'S JUST KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL BECAUSE USUALLY WE'LL GET SOME OF THESE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL COME IN ALL AT ONCE OR, OR SOME YEARS WE MAY NOT GET ANY. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF AN ALL OR NOTHING KIND OF A THING. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY YOU SEE THAT TREND THERE. SO WHAT THIS ALL MEANS IS YEAH. SO WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, THE 77 TO 23% RATIO HAS NOT BEEN MET. SO IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT POINT, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE 8516 ADDITIONAL DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS BUILT. AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT NO [00:55:02] MULTIFAMILY IS BUILT AND AT OUR CURRENT RATE WOULD TAKE ABOUT 31 YEARS. JUST TO GET TO THAT BREAK EVEN POINT. SO SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT THAT ALL MEANS IS NO ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY NEW ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY UNITS CAN BE APPROVED, EXCEPT UNDER THOSE THAT LIST OF EXEMPTIONS. AND THAT'S IT. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. I THINK I ASKED THIS QUESTION LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THIS, BUT CLEARLY IT DIDN'T STICK. WHEN WE DO APPROVE NEW MULTIFAMILY UNDER THE EXCEPTIONS, DOES THAT JUST CHANGE THE RATIO AND RESET IT, OR ARE THOSE EXEMPTED FROM THE RATIO AS WELL? YEAH, WE DO ADD THOSE NUMBERS TO THIS. SO YEAH IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A A GOALPOST SHIFT. GOTCHA. SO EVEN THE EXCEPTION BUILDING REALLY JUST PUSHES THE BALL FURTHER OUT ON ACTUALLY MEETING THE RATIO. PRETTY MUCH. GOT IT. SO CAN I ADD SOMETHING I THINK THIS HAS WORKED. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE TEN YEARS AGO WE WERE AT 50 SOME YEARS. AND YOU KNOW THE PERCENTAGES ACTUALLY INCREASED SINGLE FAMILY WISE WIDE. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY OPINION THAT WE'RE OPERATING UNDER A TERRIBLE DEFINITION HERE, BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THAT'S CONSIDERED SINGLE FAMILY IN THIS CITY IS A DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AND THIS BE QUITE TRUTHFUL HERE, THE COMMON STARTER HOME ANYMORE IS AN ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHICH WE CONSIDER MULTIFAMILY. AND SO EVEN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY DOESN'T CONSIDER THAT MULTIFAMILY. THEY CONSIDER DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY. AND, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT WHAT IT REALLY IS, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TRUTHFUL HERE, IS, IS A DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOME RATIO TO EVERYTHING ELSE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THAT IT HAS WORKED. BUT I THINK I STILL THINK THE DEFINITION IS IS NOT ACCURATE ANY LONGER. MAYBE IN 2013 IT WAS. BUT I THINK THAT IT MAY NEED A RETHINK SOMEDAY. BUT I'M NOT THE PERSON TO DO THAT RETHINK. SO JUST MY OPINION. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. AND ACTUALLY I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T LOVE OUR RATIOS. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, 6040 KIND OF MAKES MORE SENSE. SO IF WE BUT IF WE'RE BUILDING TOWNHOMES IN THE RIGHT AREAS USING THE EXCEPTIONS LIKE WE ARE, I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH. I JUST WASN'T SURE IF THE EXCEPTIONS COUNTED TOWARDS THE QUOTA OR NOT. THOUGHT ABOUT IT. IN MY COUNCIL. TALKS ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. YEAH, BUT IT'S REALLY THERE AND I DON'T I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY URGENCY ON THEIR PART BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO IS. WE ADOPT A NEW ZONING TOOL AND THEY JUST EXEMPT IT FROM THE HOUSING ORDINANCE. SO IT WORKS EITHER WAY. IT'S WORKING WORKS WELL. ALL RIGHT. AND SO WHAT IT DOES DO AND THE MARK SAID IN THE IN PRE MEETING IF YOU GO TO SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES I MEAN THEY'RE JUST PLOPPING LARGE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS. YOU THINK OH THE HECK OUT OF PUTTING THAT THERE. AND SO IT DOES WORK THAT WAY BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF PROPOSALS. OH THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT PLACE TO PUT 75 TOWNHOMES. PERFECT IN YOUR OPINION. MAYBE, BUT NOT THE REST OF THE WORLD, YOU KNOW. AND SO SO IT DOES WORK. I YOU KNOW, MY BIASES. I'VE ADMITTED ALL OF THEM. I THINK IT'S JUST A DEFINITION THAT'S A PROBLEM, I LIKE IT, I THINK IT WORKS. SO AGREED. COMMISSIONER. MY QUESTION IS, IS ARE THESE COMPLETED PROJECTS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN NOT BUILT OR NOT IN THIS REPORT YET. YEAH. SO THESE ARE THE WAY WE GET THESE NUMBERS IS FROM OUR BUILDING PERMIT NUMBERS. SO THIS THIS IS BASED ON ALL THE BUILDING PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED DURING THE YEAR ISSUED. OKAY. THANK YOU. I ASK THIS QUESTION EVERY YEAR SO I'LL ASK IT AGAIN. I AND I AGREE EVERYTHING WORKS. DON'T CHANGE IT. JUST RECOGNIZE WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY SAYING. ARE WE GIVEN ALL OF THE PLACES THAT WE'VE ACCEPTED AND HOW THE RATIO WORKS? I THINK LAST YEAR WE WERE TALKING ABOUT VERY FEW PLACES THAT COULD HELP GET TO THE RATIO THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING MORE TOWARD INFILL TYPE STUFF AT THAT POINT. I MAY BE MISREMEMBERING ENTIRELY, BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DO WE EVEN HAVE ENOUGH LAND WITHIN THE CITY THAT'S NOT IN ACCEPTED AREAS WHERE WE COULD HIT THIS? YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. [01:00:02] OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. MARK, THAT WILL CONCLUDE TONIGHT'S AGENDAS. COMMISSIONER GONZALES, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN OUR MEETING. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.