Feb 10, 2026 Committee of the Whole

[CALL TO ORDER]

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OUT OF THE. BUSH. THANKS, EVERYONE, FOR CLOSING DOWN JUST RIGHT IN TIME. IT'S LIKE YOU WERE WATCHING THE CLOCK. WE ARE PLEASED TO CALL TO ORDER THIS COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING FOR FEBRUARY 10TH, 2026. WE HAVE ALL SEVEN OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE AND MANY VALUED CITY STAFF MEMBERS AND ONLOOKERS HERE TO JOIN US AS WE GO TO OUR DISCUSSION TOPICS.

[a. Discussion of a Proposed Rezone of 1.74 Acres to R-1-12 or R-1-14 Within an RR-1 Neighborhood Located at 8415 South Susan Way]

TWO R1 12 OR R1 14 WITHIN THE RR ONE NEIGHBORHOOD LOCATED AT 8415 SOUTH SUSAN WAY. WE'VE GOT ANGELA ROBERTS AS AN APPLICANT AND MARK FORSYTH FROM OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MARKS.

ALL RIGHT, PINCH HITTING. WE'LL GET LARRY IN HERE. SO SEE WE GOT THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TOO. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS PROPERTY IT'S A TRIANGULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THIS SUBDIVISION WAS APPROVED DECADES AGO. THIS WAS GOING TO BE A STUB STREET ACROSS THE CANAL TO THE FARM GROUND HERE. HOWEVER, THAT WAS NEVER CAME TO FRUITION. AND IT'S KIND OF A REMNANT PIECE OF PROPERTY AT THE END OF THE STREET. SUSAN WAY. AND I'LL BE QUICK. IT'S A SIMPLE REQUEST FROM THE COUNCIL. SO WHAT IT IS, IS YOU CAN SEE ALL THE PROPERTIES IN SUSAN IN THAT SUBDIVISION ARE ALL ONE ACRE PROPERTIES. AND THIS PROPERTY IS CHAIRMAN SAID IT'S ABOUT 1.74 ACRES AND THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO REZONE IT. INTO POSSIBLY FOUR LOTS USING THE R1 12 OR R1 14. ZONING ORDINANCE. AND SO SOME OF THE LOT SIZES WOULD HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED IF IT WAS R1 14. AND A REQUEST IS IS WILL THE COUNCIL SUPPORT THIS? IT FITS WITHIN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE ZONE DOES, AS DOES THE R1 RURAL RESIDENTIAL ONE, BUT ALSO R1 12 AND R1 14 FITS IN THAT SAME FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY. SO THE REQUEST IS SIMPLE. DOES THE COUNCIL SUPPORT REZONE TO THIS LOT SIZE? OUT THERE TODAY? THE LADY THAT LIVES ON THE LEFT, THE HOME ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN. SHE WASN'T HOME BUT HER GAVE ME HER NUMBER AND SHE TEXTED ME BACK AND SHE'S GOOD WITH IT. ON THE RIGHT. THE CAREGIVER ANSWERED THE DOOR AND I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW SHE SAID IT. SHE SAID WE ASKED HER NOT, BUT I DON'T REALLY HAVE A SAY. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THE RESPONSE WAS, APPARENTLY FROM THE RESIDENT. I, I'VE WALKED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SEVERAL TIMES. IF YOU WEREN'T ON THE COUNCIL WHEN THE, WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE, I KIND OF WHISPERED TO BOB HATFIELDS AND MCCOYS BECAUSE THEY THE REASON THE ROAD DIDN'T GO THROUGH. A FEW TIMES AGO THERE WAS A PROPOSAL, AND THE PEOPLE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CANAL JUST WOULD NOT HAVE IT. BUT I THINK THAT THEY'LL BE OKAY WITH WITH THIS REZONE. AND THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF NOT GREAT ACTIVITY IN THAT FIELD TODAY. THERE WAS A TARGET GROCERY CARD AS WELL AS OTHER DEBRIS AND SOME BOATS BEING STORED. IT LOOKED LIKE ON THE PROPERTY. SO FOR ME, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT HOUSES THERE. AND I THINK WHATEVER REALLY FITS, I DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS THE FIRE MARSHAL, THE ROADS THAT I SAW BOTH THINGS, WHAT FITS. BUT I THINK MOST PEOPLE WILL BE FINE WITH IT. I THINK I THINK SO TOO. I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE LOT ON THE THE TRIANGULAR WEDGE ON THE LEFT THAT ISN'T BIG ENOUGH. BUT WHY IS IT ON THE R1 12 13,000FT■!S N R1 14? IT'S 14,000FT■!S, BUT ITS THE SAME EXACT BLOCK. IS IT THE CIRCLE? A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WOULD BE. I THOUGHT IT WOULD. THE CIRCLE LOOKED A LITTLE. THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO TELL

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[b. Discussion of Jones Southwest Quadrant - Rezone, Future Land Use Map Amendment, and Development Agreements Located at 7382 West New Bingham Highway]

KAYLEEN AND I SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR OUT THERE EARLIER TODAY JUST DISCUSSING WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE. WHAT WHAT IMPACT THE BATTERY FARM WOULD HAVE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, WHERE WOULD WHO WAS BEST FIT. AND THEN AFTER WE DID THAT, WE WE HEARD SOME IDEAS THAT KIND OF CHANGED THINGS AROUND, KIND OF THROW THE BALL TO YOU NOW, KAITLYN SURE. I JUST FELT LIKE FOR OTHER BIG DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE SPENT A LOT MORE TIME THAN I FEEL WE'VE SPENT ON THIS ONE, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT REALLY FOUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MET ANNETTE AND JESSICA, BUT WE ALSO HAVE. YEAH, BUT WE ALSO REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A LOT ON THIS. AND I JUST FELT LIKE WE WERE PRESENTED SOMETHING. AND AND AS KENT AND I WERE DISCUSSING TODAY ACRONYMS AND EVERYTHING, AND YOU COME FROM A DIFFERENT INDUSTRY INTO A NEW INDUSTRY. AND I JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE HAD ENOUGH TIME LAST TIME TO REALLY SAY WHAT WE FEEL NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE WE HEARD A LOT FROM THE DEVELOPERS OF WHAT THEY'RE THINKING AND HEARD WHAT THE LANDOWNERS THINKING, BUT I REALLY WANTED TIME FOR US TO SAY WHAT IS

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YES. AND YOU ADD THAT TO TO THIS. AND SO I THINK WE NEED A LOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WATER THAT'S AVAILABLE AND WHAT IT WILL TAKE. AND AT THAT DENSITY, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE. SO I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT. NOT A LOT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER PARTNERS. YOU KNOW, THAT THE COUNTY AND SOME OF THE STATE PARTNERS BRINGING IN GOOD BUSINESSES FOR US. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, LIKE KENT SAID, THAT WE GET IT RIGHT.

AND I WILL SAY ONE OF THE THINGS COMING OUT OF THE COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS. HOW I'LL MEASURE MY SUCCESS IS 20 YEARS LATER, WILL I WISHED I HAD DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND I'M HOPING THAT THOSE ARE VERY, VERY FEW. THIS IS ONE. AS COUNCILMEMBER WHITELOCK SAID, I WASN'T IN, YOU KNOW, AS THIS WAS ALL BEING PUT TOGETHER AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU PUMPING THE BRAKES A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. AND I KNOW KENT, ESPECIALLY OUR NEWEST COUNCIL MEMBERS DO AS WELL. BUT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS LAMB AND JACOB, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING THIS AND THIS AS WELL? THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT. WELL, ALWAYS.

YEAH. BUT MORE SPECIFICS AND THEN AND AND AS FAR AS PART TWO. WELL THERE'LL ALWAYS BE SOMETHING YOU WISH YOU HAD DONE DIFFERENTLY. BY THE WAY, I GOT A LIST. THIS WAS THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I THINK WAS ENVISIONED WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN YEARS AGO, WHATEVER IT WAS. THERE WAS A LOT MORE VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL UP ON THE HILLSIDE, KIND OF WANTED AS I THIS IS, AS I RECALL, THE CONVERSATION. THIS IS NOT DOGMA DOCTRINE. THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE ANYWHERE. BUT THE WAY I RECALL IT IS, THIS IS WHERE WE WANTED MORE OF OF, OF THE SOUTHEAST BENCH TO BE ON THE SOUTHWEST BENCH. WE WANTED THE MILLION, THE $1 MILLION HOMES. THINK OF THAT. THINK OF THAT IN TERMS OF SIX YEARS AGO, $1 MILLION HOUSES. NOW IT'S A TOWNHOUSE, RIGHT? BUT THIS IS WHERE WE WANTED THE THE BIG ESTATE LOTS. THIS IS WHERE WE WANTED SOME VISION, SOME SOME BIG PLANNING OF OF SOME BIG THINGS. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WEST OF THE WEST, RIGHT. THE, THE WEST BENCH, THE YELLOW

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WELL, AND YOU'RE NOT WRONG. THE VISION THAT WE KIND OF HAD WAS, I THINK, A LITTLE BIT NAIVE IN A WAY, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T REALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THE NEIGHBOR IS NOT THE WASATCH RANGE, FEDERALLY OWNED LAND. THE NEIGHBORS, KENNECOTT MINING, SMELTING, WHATEVER ELSE THEY DO IN KENNECOTT, EXPLODING, EXPLODING, BIG NOISES, LANDSLIDES, YOU KNOW, ALL THE FUN THINGS THAT HAPPEN THERE, TRUCKS WITH BIG OLD WHEELS THAT MAKE GREAT WHEELS PARK. SO I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT NAIVE FOR US TO SAY THAT WE WANT OUR OUR VERSION OF PEPPERWOOD IN THE EAST BENCH ON, ON THE WEST SIDE AND, AND THE EVENTUALITY IS ONE REASON I'VE NOT BEEN AGAINST THE BATTERY, THE BATTERY STORAGE BECAUSE MY MIND IS A BATTERY STORAGE IS A 20, 30, MAYBE 40 YEAR KIND OF OPERATION, AND THEN THAT CAN TRANSITION. I DON'T KNOW. IN OUR LAST MEETING, I LEANED OVER TO CAITLYN BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA WEST OF STOKESLEY, I JUST I JUST COULDN'T UNDERSTAND IT. I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WANTED, OR IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS, WAS JUST KIND OF OFFERING AS AN OPTION. AND IT SEEMED LIKE A KIND OF A MIX, LIKE THE COUNCIL HAD INDICATED THAT THEY WANTED RESIDENTIAL THERE. AND SO THIS WAS MAYBE A RESPONSE FROM THE DEVELOPER IN THE PLAN, BUT I JUST I AM FEELING UNCONVINCED ABOUT THE VALUE OF RESIDENTIAL WEST ARE STILL. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT AND QUESTION.

I. I DON'T THINK MOST OF IT SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL. I AGREE AFTER AFTER WE HAD THAT SIDEBAR, BUT I DO THINK YOU DEFINE MOST OF WHAT MOST SEE WHERE THE GREEN IS NOT THIS OVAL GREEN, BUT THE ODD SHAPED GREEN AT THE TOP. YEAH, UP IN THAT AREA NORTH OF THAT, WHERE? ACROSS ACROSS 90TH IS DRY CREEK, WHICH I WOULD THINK THERE PUTTING HOMES THERE AND PROBABLY NICE

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OKAY. WELL, NOW YOU'RE ON THE SPOT. THANK YOU. AS SCOTT SAID, WE CAME UP WITH SOME QUESTIONS WHICH WE WE HAD I THINK WE'RE LINGERING I THINK SLOWING DOWN AND LOOKING AT THIS IS HOPEFULLY HELPFUL. WE'VE ALSO TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT SOME MORE. SO WE DO EXPECT THIS TO CONTINUE TO EVOLVE. BUT NOT ONLY WITH THIS MEETING AS IT CAME UP WITH SOME QUESTIONS.

AND THE FIRST ONE IS 90, IS SOUTH EAST OF U111 IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL ON BOTH SIDES OF

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SO OKAY. SO JUST NATURAL CHECKERBOARD OKAY. SO YOU'RE JUST ASKING WAS THE INTENTION TO BE LIKE THESE CHUNKS OF INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. MOVE FORWARD JUST A LITTLE BIT. ONE. WELL ACTUALLY THIS IS MAYBE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A KNOLL AND A HILL? TOMATO, TOMATO. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN FORWARD IF YOU'RE IN UTAH OR NOT. WELL, KENNEDY IF YOU'RE IN KANSAS.

LAST QUESTION. I HOPE THIS ISN'T A DUMB QUESTION, BUT IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THIS IN THIS FIRST BULLET POINT, SAYS APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY SHOWING 4500 UNITS. I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DOES THAT TERMINOLOGY OF UNITS ONLY EVER REFER TO RESIDENTIAL, OR DO UNITS ALSO REFER TO INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS? DOESN'T COVER THE INDUSTRIAL PARK OKAY.

SO WHENEVER THAT TERMINOLOGY 4500 UNITS I SHOULD JUST ALWAYS ASSUME THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST IT'S UNDER RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. SO THE TITLE OKAY. IT'S A FRONT DOOR.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UTILITIES WE WOULD TALK ABOUT ERCS WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL EQUIVALENT.

THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT WHAT I SEE. YEAH I REMEMBER HAVING THAT EXACT SAME QUESTION A WHILE BACK. BUT YES UNITS I'VE NEVER HEARD IT REFERRED TO ANYTHING BESIDES. OKAY, THANKS.

SO THEN THAT LED US INTO OUR NEXT SET OF QUESTIONS. AND THIS IS MORE ABOUT THE USE TABLE.

LAST TIME WE MET IN HERE, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS HIGH DENSITY. AND IT'S NOT DEFINED. SO HCM OR HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING AND COMMERCIAL MIXED USE. THOSE ARE DEFINED IN THE CURRENT SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ZONE AS ARE THE USAGE TABLE. THE USES IN THE USE TABLE DON'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN EITHER OF THE PODS. THEY'RE JUST ALLOWED FOR ALL OF THEM. AND THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN HCM AND KOMU IS REALLY GOING TO COME DOWN TO YOUR LAW AND BULK STANDARDS AND YOUR DESIGN STANDARDS. AND SO WHAT WE WANTED TO ASK YOU AS A COUNCIL

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AND THE USE TABLE THAT'S IN THERE IS NOT A USE TABLE THAT'S UNIQUE. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU SAY HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING IS DEFINED. YET THIS IS THE USE TABLE. EXACTLY. HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING IS NOT DEFINED ON THE USE TABLE. CORRECT. SO SO THE COMMU AND THE HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING BOTH ARE JUST SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. AND WE JUST HAVE THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE REALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU SAY MANUFACTURING HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING IS JUST MANUFACTURING. OR IT COULD BE A GAS STATION OR A FUNERAL HOME AND DEFINE IT. RIGHT. OR THE LABORATORY PROCESSING. YEAH. OR FUNERAL HOME OR A FLIGHT TERMINAL. THAT'D BE COOL. I THINK A FUNERAL HOME COULD QUALIFY, DEPENDING ON THE PROCESSING. AND HOW INNOVATIVE ARE YOU? USING WALT DISNEY'S BODY? WELL, IN OUR LAST MEETING, THOUGH, I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT WE KIND OF WANTED TO FIND THAT, DON'T WE? I KNOW I HEARD THAT FROM YOU. I WANTED TO FIND THAT. OKAY. I THINK WE ALL WANT TO BETTER DEFINE THAT BECAUSE, YES, WE HAVE THE USE TABLE, BUT AS THAT'S POINTING OUT. YEAH. SO THE DEFINITION WE DO HAVE IN THERE IS HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING EMPLOYMENT USES IN SOUTHWEST QUADRANT SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVALS. AREAS DESIGNATED FOR HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING ARE TYPICALLY SUITABLE FOR TECHNOLOGY PRODUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS BIOTECHNOLOGY SOFTWARE, HARDWARE DEVELOPMENT ELECTRONICS FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS MAY APPLY TO HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING THAT GOES INTO SOME OF THE STANDARDS. THERE'S A LOT OF MAIZE AND ARTISTICALLY IT'S IT'S NOT A SHALLOW IT'S NOT NOT HARD, FAST USE TABLE LIKE YOU MIGHT SEE ELSEWHERE. AND THIS IS THE EXISTING ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN. SO IF WE AS A COUNCIL FEEL LIKE THIS NEEDS TO BE MASSAGED, ANY DIRECTION TO STAFF USE TO. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE RISK IN DEFINING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S NOT ON HERE. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON HERE? SO DOESN'T HAVE THE A'S? I DON'T SEE STEAKHOUSE. OH MY GOSH. OH OKAY OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE FINE. WE'RE FINE. AND SO I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE COUNCIL WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ADOPTING THIS. BUT I BELIEVE THE USES ARE TRYING TO BE HERE ARE A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR MANUFACTURING AND COMMERCIAL ZONES. IT'S TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES THAT EMPLOY A LOT OF PEOPLE OR HAVE HIGH TAX.

INCREMENT THE CITY CAN COLLECT. AND SO I THINK THE USES ARE VERY BROAD, NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT 900 ACRES, YOU DON'T WANT THIS 900 ACRES OF WAREHOUSES.

YOU DO WANT SOME OTHER USES. AND THERE ARE SOME TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES WHERE SOME USES MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN TOPOGRAPHY THAN THE FLAT AREAS. SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. AND ALSO LIKE RESTAURANTS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT PLACES FOR YOUR PEOPLE TO GO AND NEED MAYBE TO CASH A PAYCHECK. SO SOME OF THESE USES WE DO WANT, BUT MAYBE FURTHER REFINED, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THAT OR IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR IF THERE ARE USES OUT HERE WHICH YOU JUST DON'T FEEL ARE APPROPRIATE, THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO KNOW AS WE TAKE YOUR GUIDANCE FORWARD. LARRY. YEAH. LARRY. SO PROBABLY ONLY TWO OF YOUR MEMBERS REMEMBER WHEN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER WAS APPROVED? CHRIS AND I WORKED ON IT. IT WAS THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME WANTED A ZONE, HAD MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY, IS THE MOST FLEXIBLE ZONE IN THE CITY. SO THERE COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERING USES OF NOT STUCK TO LIKE WHAT WE NOW. SO THAT'S ONE THING TO CONSIDER. SO YOUR IMPRESSION THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE MY THEME PARK WAS SUPPOSED TO GO. SO AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT, BUT I HAVE LIKE THREE MORE SLIDES OR FOUR. AND THEN I WILL BE QUIET AND LISTEN SOME MORE. BUT WE DID ALL THIS AND THIS HIGHLIGHTED A LOT OF CONCERNS WE HAD. SO WE AS STAFF CAME UP WITH, WELL, MAYBE A REVISED A BUBBLE PLAN. SO HERE'S WHAT YOU SEE THAT'S BEEN APPROVED. AND WE THOUGHT WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S BEEN APPROVED. SO WHAT'S TAYLOR SAID IT'S APPROVED RIGHT TIME GUYS. GOOD TO SEE YOU. TAYLOR'S GONNA GET FIRED. AND SO OUR FIRST THING IS, WELL, OUR CONCERNS WERE THE CHECKERBOARDING OF THIS IS WHAT IF THIS ALL WENT RESIDENTIAL UP

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YEAH. SO THIS FRONT PORTION THERE'S LIKE 246 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND SOME COMMERCIAL PLAN.

JUST PLAN. YEAH. OKAY. IT WAS APPROVED WHEN THE. SO. OKAY, SO THIS FLIPS THE RESIDENTIAL.

HAVE THAT BE UP AGAINST 90TH. AND THEN EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THAT GOES TOWARDS INDUSTRIAL.

WE HAVE THIS POD RIGHT HERE AT THE BOTTOM WHICH. FLASH DEVELOPER WILL TELL YOU THAT IT'S GOT TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES. THAT MAKES IT NOT THE BEST FOR INDUSTRIAL. JUST MAKE IT WHERE IT IS. RIGHT? YEAH. SORRY. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT ARE THE TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES THAT MAKE SOMETHING? A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL USES ARE VERY LARGE, AND THEY NEED IT TO BE VERY FLAT TO CONSTRUCT IT. AND IT'S BECAUSE IT HAS HILLS OR HOLES WHERE THEY'VE DUG OUT. IT MAKES. YEAH.

WELL, I GOT A DEAL FOR YOU. I GOT A NULL OVER THERE. JUST PUT IT ON DOWN. SO. SO THAT MAKES THIS A CHALLENGING SITE FOR INDUSTRIAL USES. BUT FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IF WE WENT THIS WAY THAT'S AN ISLAND OF RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S MAYBE NOT WHERE WE WANT TO SEE RESIDENTIAL. SO SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES ALONG 90TH. INDUSTRIAL AND BATTERY STORAGE THERE SOUTH OF THAT AND THEN INDUSTRIAL RESIDENTIAL TO BE DEFINED IN THE FUTURE. JUST MAKE IT PINK, MAN. JUST PINK. PINK. PINK IS PINK IS HIGH TECH, HIGH TECH, HIGH TECH. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO SURPRISE ANYONE WITH THIS. SO WE ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE APPLICANTS EARLIER THIS MORNING OR AFTERNOON. AND THEY CAN TELL ME IF I MISHEARD THEM. BUT NONE OF THE PARTNERS. SO IVORY GARDNER AND THE BATTERY STORAGE SAID THERE WAS NOTHING IN HERE THAT WAS A DEAL KILLER OR THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY. HEY, TRY HARDER.

NO, WE NEED TO WORK. WHERE WHERE WHERE IS THE POWER BEING STORED FROM ALL THOSE SOLAR PANELS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WE NEED THIS BATTERY THING. BUT THOSE SOLAR PANELS, THEY ALREADY THEY'RE TRANSMISSION LINES. WHERE ARE THEY GOING NOW? PRIVATE GOING. STRAIGHT TO KENNECOTT. OKAY. PROBABLY JUST CONNECTED RIGHT TO THE TRAIL.

SO LET'S SEE. SO WE CAME UP WITH THIS AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, WHAT ALLOWS US TO DO. BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE LISTENING TO WHAT THE APPLICANTS WANTED IN THEIR NEEDS. SO WE PRESENTED THIS TO THEM EARLIER. THEY SAID, WELL, NOTHING ON THERE SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE A KILLER. IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD WORK WITH.

AND THEN THEY CAME UP WITH. A REFINED CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WE GOT JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING.

AND I KIND OF WANT TO TALK THROUGH THIS, EXPLAIN THE LIGHT COLOR AND THE DARK COLOR BECAUSE I CAN'T READ THAT. SO SO IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THE LIGHT COLORED PURPLE ARE AREAS WHERE THEY SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE INDUSTRIAL. THE REDS AND YELLOWS ARE AREAS WHERE THEY KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL AND THE PURPLES ARE DARKER. THESE ARE THE AREAS WHICH THEY WANT TO HAVE A TRANSITION ZONE. SO IT COULD BE INDUSTRIAL, IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL AND NEED TO DEFINE THOSE AS SMALL AREA PLANS AS WE COME FORWARD. I THINK THEY'LL TELL YOU, IF YOU ASK THEM THAT THEY'RE NOT MARRIED TO THIS. THEY GOT OUR NOTES AT 2:00 TODAY. THEY HAD THIS TURNED AROUND BY 330. SO THIS WAS VERY RAPIDLY DONE. SO SO I THINK THIS IS TO START A CONVERSATION, I'LL TURN YOU OVER TO THE COUNCIL IF THEY WANT TO CALL ON MR. ROMNEY OR NOT. BUT BEFORE BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, LET'S SET THE COUNCIL, JUST DISCUSS WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL GET TO YOU BACK UP. BACK UP TO COUNCIL.

YEAH. YOUR YOUR IDEA. THERE'S A LOT ABOUT THIS THAT I LIKE THIS. THIS IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE WERE TALKING A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. YOU KNOW, AND WHEN WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT END OF OPERATIONS FOR KENNECOTT, MAYBE IT'S 100 YEARS FROM NOW. EVEN THIS, THAT THAT SWATH OF RESIDENTIAL GOING WEST AND GETTING WIDER AS IT GOES WEST, IT OPENS UP TO POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL FURTHER WEST, WHERE IF IT WAS STRICTLY, LET'S SAY, THOSE WAREHOUSES OR SOMETHING, THAT KIND OF CUTS IT OFF. AND YOU COULD GO FARTHER SOUTH ALONG OUR BORDER AND JUST MAKE ALL OF THAT OUR WEST, OUR WEST BENCH. RIGHT. SO OUR HOMES ARE THERE AND YOU CAN BRING THEM

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IT JUST OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY. BUT I DON'T WANT HOMES IN THAT ISLAND. IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT TOO WIDE FOR ME. THE THE CHECKER AT THE TOP, THE ORANGE CHECKER, THE ORANGE CHECKER. LIKE GOES THE GINGHAM GOES A LITTLE. IT'S GINGHAM. IT IS MORE GINGHAM. YEAH. IT'S WORKING. WHAT'S YOUR OTHER DEGREE IN? I JUST LEARNED ANYWAY. IT JUST I'M I'M INTRIGUED BY I FORGET WHICH ONE OF YOU SAID. BUT THIS IDEA OF GROWING INTO FUTURE RESIDENTIAL.

YEAH. I MEAN, I'M INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING THAT MORE, BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S STILL FEELS LIKE A LOT. THAT'S THAT IS WAY THE HECK OUT THERE. AND WE WIDENED IT TO INCLUDE THE HILL OR KNOLL. THAT'S GOOD. I FIGURED THAT'S WHAT YOU HAD DONE. YEAH, BUT THERE'S TALK ABOUT THAT HILL GOING AWAY, RIGHT. THE. NO. WELL, I MEAN IT'S IT'S THERE. SO IF THEY BUILD HOUSES THERE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO MOVE STUFF. YES. WELL THEY HAVE A IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO AWAY. THERE IS A GRADING PERMIT TO REMOVE MATERIAL FROM THERE AND FLATTEN IT. THAT GRADING PERMIT MAY ALSO BE IN VIOLATION OF THE THE CONDITIONS ON WHICH IT WAS ISSUED. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY AREN'T FOLLOWING NECESSARILY THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED FOR IT WHEN IT WAS APPROVED FOR ACCESS. SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE IT WAS EXTRACTED FROM. SO TALKING ABOUT THE GRADING PERMIT FROM SIX YEARS AGO, 2020. YEAH. 2021.

FORWARD TO WHAT? WHAT ARE YOUR ZIGZAGS ON THE 32.1 JUST EAST OF WASATCH ELECTRIC? WHAT IS THAT LIKE? SO THOSE ARE AREAS THAT ARE DEFINED WELL RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S ALSO WHERE WE'D EXPECT THERE TO BE SOME COMMERCIAL USES. SO THOSE ARE THE SPOTS WHERE BECAUSE IT'S A HIGH TRAFFIC INTERSECTION, WE EXPECT THERE TO BE SOME RETAIL. THAT'S RIGHT. LIKE YEAH. IT COULD BE A HOLIDAY. IT COULD, IT COULD MAYBE EVEN A SINCLAIR OKAY. GO TO THE NEXT ONE. WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. AND THEN THEN WE'LL HAVE THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE I THINK THE RESIDENTIAL IS A LITTLE BIT LACKING. SOMETHING IN BETWEEN, SOMETHING IN BETWEEN OR EVEN JUST RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST OF THE BLUE DOTTED LINE OR GREEN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND NOT RESIDENTIAL OUT WEST. MAYBE THAT MESSES UP THE ARE YOU SAYING RESIDENTIAL IN THIS POD, BUT NOT THIS POD? YEAH, AND ONLY AT THE TOP. ONLY ALONG THE THE THE PARKING IS WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M NOT A FAN OF THE PURPLE IN WEST OF STOKESLEY. PURPLE BECAUSE IT'S DEFINED AS BECAUSE IT CAN BE RESIDENTIAL OR INDUSTRIAL. GO BACK TO THE WHY THIS IS LIKE THIS WAY, AND I'M SURE MOST OF US HAVE HEARD THIS WHEN PAUL HAD ASKED ME THE FIRST TIME, HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF A BATTERY FARM? I SAID, COOL. FIRST QUESTION I SAID, IS WHERE? WELL, WE DIDN'T GET THAT ANSWER UNTIL THIS STARTED COMING UP. SO THEY WANT THAT THERE FOR A REASON. AND I'VE HEARD THE REASON IS BECAUSE OF CONNECTION TO SOMETHING. YEAH. TRANSMISSION LINES FOR SOLAR FARM THAT. SURE. SO BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN THE MIDDLE. YOU KNOW IT. I'M OKAY IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT SOUTH IN THAT 60 A C SQUARE. BUT THE BATTERY FARM FOR ME IS A NO GO CLOSER TO 90TH. SO EVEN THAT EVEN THAT FAR WEST. YEAH. WELL IT COMES BACK TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT THERE. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUILD HOMES JUST NORTH OF 90TH, AND THEY'RE GOING TO CALL IT THE CITY AND SAY, WHY AM I LOOKING AT A BATTERY FARM, PEOPLE THAT SOUTH OF THE KNOLL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT. THE REALTOR SAID IT WOULDN'T BE THERE, EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS GOING TO BE A REALTOR DIDN'T TELL ME THERE WAS GOING TO BE A BATTERY FARM THERE. YEP.

ALTHOUGH I WILL CALL THE NEIGHBOR, I WILL SAY THE BATTERY FARM WOULD GO IN BEFORE THE HOME AS WELL. I LIKE YOUR MAP BETTER THAN THIS ONE. YEAH, TAYLOR, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

ONLY I WANT YOU TO GET RID OF YOUR YELLOW REAL BRIEFLY. YOU SAID YOU STILL WANT TO ADDRESS THIS. JUST, JUST. YOU CAN COME UP HERE NEXT TO TAYLOR. JUST PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND EVERYTHING. SO WE'VE GOT ALL THAT. FOR THE RECORD, ROMNEY WITH FOCUS CONSULTING. I JUST

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THE DARK PURPLE IS INTENDED TO BE EITHER OR, AND THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS THERE IS NEED FOR RESIDENTIAL, IN OUR OPINION. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU GET AN AMAZING USER THAT THE CITY WANTS, HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY AND KNOWING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO GO IS WOULD ALL COME BACK THROUGH THE SUBAREA PLAN. AND SO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK SHOWING MORE DETAIL.

BUT. JUST HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY. SO IT'S NOT INTENDED THAT EVERYTHING PINK WOULD BE INDUSTRIAL OR EVERYTHING DARK PURPLE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL. AND WE'RE OPEN TO SHIFTING LINES AND WORKING THROUGH THE LAST MAP OF THIS MAP. BUT IT WAS INTENDED THAT THIS WOULD ALSO BE DARK PURPLE, GIVING THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU COULD EXTEND THIS LINE OF RESIDENCE. THIS IS KIND OF SAYING, NO MATTER WHAT, WE CAN EXTEND THAT LINE, BUT NO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL BORDERING THESE AREAS. AND THEN NO MATTER WHAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE INDUSTRIAL IN THE LIGHT PINK AREAS, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE HERE TO, LIKE, COME IN AND SAY, OH, WELL, I'M GOING TO THROW A POD OF HOMES. AND THEN THE DARK PURPLE ALLOWS FLEXIBILITY. LIKE THE REASON WE HAD THE PREVIOUS MAP WAS TO CREATE THIS KIND OF RESIDENTIAL CONNECTION. SO WE WILL NEED TO WORK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THIS ISN'T FULLY ON AN ISLAND. AND I AND I KNOW SO THIS WAS ALL HAPPENING TODAY. SO WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THAT. BUT THAT THAT IS KIND OF THE INTENT IS TRYING TO MEET WHAT THE ZONE ASKED FOR, BUT PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY. I STILL WANT TO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THIS WOULD BE DARK PURPLE, THIS AREA THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. IT GETS RID OF SOME OF THE CHECKERBOARD WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. I THINK I SHOULDN'T SPEAK FOR. I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE COUNCIL. YOU CERTAINLY ARE NOT. I AM NOT THE COUNCIL. BUT I FEEL LIKE THE THE THE VIBE IS WE'D BE OKAY WITH LESS RESIDENTIAL AND MORE COMMERCIAL THAN THE OPPOSITE, YOU KNOW. SO AND THEN SO FOR THIS AREA, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS SAYING, YEAH, WE HAVE THE RIGHT USERS, WE'RE ALL ON BOARD. BUT WHERE IT GETS STEEP, IT GETS A LOT MORE. YOU'RE YOU'RE KIND OF LIMITING YOUR USERS. SO THIS IS GRAVEL RIGHT THERE.

THIS IS THE GRAVEL PIT. SO THIS IS LIKE 60FT ABOVE THE GRAVEL PIT. AND WHEN YOU GO UP ON THE SITE IT MAY NOT LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT IN A MOUNTAIN, BUT IT IS STEEP. AND SO JUST WHEN YOU GO BY THE AMAZON BUILDING, THAT FELT PROBABLY PRETTY FLAT, AND YOU HAVE PROBABLY A 20 TO 30 FOOT WALL. AND SO IT JUST IT LIMITS USERS. SO WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO BALANCE WE DON'T WANT THIS TO SIT FOREVER EITHER, BUT WE WANT THE RIGHT THING THERE. AND SO IT'S JUST BALANCING. SO THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT I THINK THE BEAUTY IS IT DOES PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY. WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE A REZONE WITH A MASTER PLAN THAT PROVIDES THE THE PROVIDES THE FLEXIBILITY. SO THE CITY DOES GET THE BEST OUTCOME. BUT THAT'S WHY TODAY WHEN WE TALKED WITH STAFF, THIS SEEMED LIKE A PRETTY GOOD MIDDLE GROUND OF SAYING, HEY, WHAT AREAS FOR SURE ARE GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL, WHAT AREAS FOR SURE ARE GOING TO BE INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN WHAT AREAS DO WE WANT TO MAYBE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY WHERE THIS USED TO ALL BE RESIDENTIAL, THESE PODS AND MAKING THEM, WELL, MAYBE THEY COULD BE INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE THIS IS FLATTER. AND SO GIVING THAT EITHER OR. AND I JUST THINK HERE THE CHALLENGE WAS SAYING IT HAS TO BE INDUSTRIAL AS IS. YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU COULD REALLY BE LIMITED ON USERS. AND THEN ALSO YOU KNOW, WHERE THESE USERS ARE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BRING VALUE WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS JUST GET SO ASTRONOMICAL BASED OFF OF TRYING TO FLATTEN OUT PATHS.

WE'RE NOT SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE. IT'S JUST IT'S MORE LIMITING. THIS AREA IS FLAT ON THAT MAP. WHAT DOES LOOK FLAT ON THE MAP. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BALANCING THE THE PURPLE AREA, THE 120 ACRES WITH THE. WITH THE GREEN DOT IN IT. COULD IT BE LIKE A MIXED USE, LIKE RESIDENTIAL, LIKE APARTMENTS, OFFICE BUILDINGS, MORE HIGH END MANUFACTURING, LIKE LIVE WORK KIND OF COMMUNITY. ALL IN THAT, IN THAT 120 COLUMBIA HILLS, FOR SURE. SO I THINK THE COOL PART ABOUT GOING THIS DIRECTION, WHICH I DO THINK IS THE INTENT OF THE ZONE, IS I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE WHERE STAFF AND COUNCIL HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT TREPIDATIOUS TO SAY, LIKE WE WANT SOME GUARDRAILS, BUT BY HAVING THESE DARK PURPLE ZONES, IT DOES GIVE YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE MORE OF THAT MIXED USE IN THOSE ZONE. TALKS ABOUT MIXED USE. THE HARD PART ABOUT GETTING MIXED USE ON A REZONE MAP IS YOU ALMOST HAVE TO SAY ALL OF IT IS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. I THINK WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT ARE PROBABLY BETTER FOR MORE OF THAT MANUFACTURING USE. BUT YEAH, SOME OF THESE, YOU COULD HAVE MORE OF THAT

[00:50:05]

I'VE GOT THIS WILL MOST LIKELY BE RESIDENTIAL BUT SO YEAH I DON'T I DON'T SEE INDUSTRIAL WORKING SANDWICHED BETWEEN ALL THESE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. THE ALTERNATE TO THIS IS HAVING ONE COLOR THAT SAYS THESE. THIS IS WHAT THE ZONE IS. THESE ARE THE USES ALLOWED. BUT THEN SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 300 FOOT BUFFER OF RESIDENTIAL AROUND THAT PERIMETER AND HAVE AND THEN YOU COME IN WITH SUBAREA PLANS THAT SHOW LIKE SIMILAR WASATCH ELECTRIC WAS A LITTLE SIMPLER IN THE SENSE OF YOU'RE COMING WITH A USER TO SAY, THIS IS THE PLAN, BUT IT'S HARD TO GO GET ALL OF THAT DONE WITHOUT A ZONE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT OUR UTILITIES AND WHAT WE CAN, WHAT RESIDENTIAL WE CAN ACTUALLY SUPPORT OUT THERE. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE IS MISSING FROM. YEAH. SO THAT IS I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. SO WE HAVE THE FULL MASTER PLAN THAT WILL HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET ENOUGH DIRECTION TO GET THAT BACK SUBMIT. AND WE CAN BRING THAT. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO AGREE TO YOU BRINGING ME A FULL MASTER PLAN, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ENOUGH WATER THAT I'M ALLOWED TO GET.

AND IF I GIVE YOU ALL THE WATER, THEN ACROSS THE STREET STAYS JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND THAT IS NOT THE DESIRE OF THE CITY. SO I HAVE TO WEIGH THOSE OUT, RIGHT? SURE. SO KNOWING THAT WE CAN WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO PROVIDE. SO WE'VE GOT I THINK I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE COUNCIL WHERE WE GET INFORMATION ON OUR UTILITIES AND WHAT WHAT THE TRADE OFFS ARE. DOES THAT COME FROM STAFF OR IT JUST COMES LATER IN THE PROCESS AT THE TABLE? THEN IT'S IT'S SO WIDE AND VARIED THOUGH. I MEAN, ESPECIALLY THE MORE UNDEFINED YOU GET, THE MORE EXACTLY RIGHT NEBULOUS THAT IS. BUT WE CAN LIMIT THEM TO X AMOUNT OF UNITS RESIDENTIAL UNITS. SO EVEN THOUGH THE LOCATION OF USES THAT'S UNDEFINED, WE WOULD DEFINE MAX UNITS WE'VE ALREADY DEFINED IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THE MAX DENSITY OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING. WE WOULD HAVE A MAXIMUM OF LIKE. SO WE HAVE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS. ONE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN HAVE APARTMENTS. WE CAN PUT A MAXIMUM ACREAGE OF THOSE OF THAT TYPE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO PUT ALL OF THE LIKE, SAFEGUARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN'T COME IN AND BUILD ALL RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE WHOLE THING, AND IT'S GOING TO MORE TOWARDS THE SIDE OF THE MANUFACTURING, COMMERCIAL, MIXED USE AND AND CONSERVING THAT AREA. AND THE RATIO YOU HEARD AND THOUGHT YOU HEARD IS NOT THE RATIO THAT I THINK THIS BODY IS. I THINK THOSE ARE THE DETAILS WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH.

SO I'M A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTION I WOULD BE OKAY COMING BACK. I HAVE INFORMATION ON THE SEWER. I HAVEN'T GOT INFORMATION ON THE WATER YET FROM THE DEVELOPER. I HEAR THAT I'M GOING TO GET IT. I WANT IT TO WAIT UNTIL I HAD FULL INFORMATION FROM THEM BEFORE I CAME BACK TO YOU GUYS. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. AS SOON AS I GET THAT FROM THE DEVELOPER THAT I PUT THE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES STUDY AND IT CAN, THEY CAN MAKE IT LESS TECHNICAL IF THEY NEED TO, IF THEY DON'T KNOW EXACT LOCATIONS. BUT I REALLY DO NEED SOME INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT BEFORE I CAN GIVE GIVE YOU GOOD INFORMATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO JUST COME AND GIVE YOU BAD INFORMATION. HAVE YOU MAKE DECISIONS OFF OF THAT INFORMATION. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T COME HERE AND DONE THAT YET, IS BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GET A REPORT FROM THEM. AND I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THE WATER, WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. VERY MUCH SO. OKAY. I WONDER IF I WONDER IF SOMETHING YOU SAID REALLY KIND OF SPARKED, LIKE THIS WHOLE TRAIN OF THOUGHTS. AND I KIND OF LIKE WHERE IT'S GOING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ARTICULATE IT VERY WELL, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WE DO IT ALL IN THE PURPLE AND WE SAY, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL BUFFER OF 300FT. AND I STARTED THINKING OF, WELL, WHAT OTHER SAFEGUARDS COULD WE BUILD INTO SOMETHING THAT IS IS INTENTIONALLY MORE NEBULOUS. IT IS INTENTIONALLY A LITTLE HARDER TO DEFINE, AND IT'S A LITTLE MORE UNDEFINED. AND WE TAKE IT AS IT COMES PIECE BY PIECE. BUT WITH THESE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A, YOU KNOW,

[00:55:04]

YEAH. THE COOL PART IS THE ZONE ALREADY HAS SOME OF IT. AND IN OUR MASTER PLAN WE'RE ADDING MORE. SO THE ZONE EVEN TALKS ABOUT THESE ARE THE USES YOU CAN PUT NEXT TO EACH OTHER WHICH ISN'T GOING TO FIND EVERYTHING. AND THEN WE'VE PUT IN TO THIS MASTER PLAN WHICH YOU HAVEN'T SEEN. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT STEP, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO PROBABLY PROVIDE SOON OR ANYTIME. LIKE LIKE I GAVE US A BOOK LIKE THIS EARLY ON FOR US TO REVIEW. SO IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE US SO THAT WE HAVE THAT BOOK AND THEN IT DOES TALK ABOUT BUFFERING. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO INDUSTRIAL, WHAT HOW DO YOU BUFFER THOSE WITH WHAT TYPE OF LANDSCAPE STRIP, WHAT TYPE OF PLAZA LIKE OTHER THINGS BEYOND WHAT THE CURRENT CODE SAYS, TO PROVIDE THAT MIXED USE COMMUNITY THAT GIVES FLEXIBILITY. BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT. LIKE THAT'S THE INTENT OF I THINK WHY THE MASTER PLAN IS REQUIRED WITH THIS ZONE IS TO PUT THOSE SAFEGUARDS IN. YEAH. WHICH I THINK IS REAL BENEFIT TO THE CITY, BUT IT'S ALSO BENEFIT TO BOTH PARTIES TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, TO NOT BE COMPLETELY TIED DOWN TO RESIDENTIAL. OKAY, EXACTLY. HERE'S ONE THING I WANT TO ADD TO THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF, WHICH I'M COMFORTABLE WITH. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL IS IS SMALL AREA PLANS. AND THE SUBAREA PLANS DON'T COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL. SO IF WE'RE BUILDING FLEXIBILITY IN, YOU NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH SAFEGUARDS IN THAT YOU'LL TRUST STAFF TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS OR JUST TELL THEM THAT EXACT POINT I WAS ABOUT TO MAKE.

SCOTT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. JUST AS A GENERAL REMINDER AS WE LOOK AT THIS, THIS SCALE, RIGHT, THIS PENDULUM SWINGING BACK AND FORTH PROCESS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. SO, YEAH, THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE THOSE BUMPERS, THOSE GUARDRAILS. YEAH, THAT WAS MY POINT. AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL IS NOT HERE TO BE A HINDRANCE TO THINGS. WE'RE JUST HERE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WE'RE DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY AND GET THINGS RIGHT. AND SO I, I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE GIVEN BOTH SIDES, BOTH THE CITY STAFF AND YOUR FOLKS, THE IDEA OF WHAT WE WANT. AND I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT IN TERMS OF WE FELT AS A COUNCIL THE LAST TIME IT CAME BACK, IT WAS, WELL, WE KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. AND WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU WHY WE'D LIKE A LITTLE LESS OF THAT IN WHAT'S COMING BACK. AND YOU CAN STILL DO IT, BUT BUT KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FINAL SAY. AND, AND YOU'VE GOT KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BRING THIS BACK AGAIN. WE NEED TO GET IN OUR WATER AND MAKE SURE WHAT WE HAVE. AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. AND THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS, BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO SEE THIS KIND OF PUT TO BED, SO TO SPEAK, SO THAT WE HAVE THIS RIGHT. ANY LAST THOUGHTS FROM THE COUNCIL? TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US? ARE YOU CLEAR ON WHAT WE WANT? BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT I'VE HEARD LOTS OF DIFFERENT. WELL, THAT'S I GUESS I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT AFTER AFTER I GOT ONE MORE ROUND. I THINK WE'RE STILL VERY MID DISCUSSION ON THIS. WHAT I HAVE IN MY NOTES IS YES TO JOB CENTERS, PERHAPS TOO MUCH DENSITY. WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT UTILITIES NEAR SEES LOWER DENSITY ON THE HILLSIDES WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED, BUT MAYBE WE WERE SPEAKING OUT OF TURN AT THAT TIME. THE CHECKER AT THE TOP WAS TOO WIDE, BUT THIS STRIP OF RESIDENTIAL, THE TOP IS TOO NARROW, SO SOMETHING POTENTIALLY IN BETWEEN THERE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH MORE FLEXIBILITY, BUT WE NEED TO INCREASE THE SAFEGUARDS FOR THAT AND THIS NEEDS TO COME BACK. SO YOU'RE TRYING TO HIT EVERYBODY'S JUST ONE OFF COMMENTS. AND JUST MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THEM ALL AND CHECK ALL THE BOXES. DO YOU HAVE DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. YOU READ WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU HEARD.

YEAH. BUT NOW WE WANT TO KNOW DO YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR US? YEAH. I GUESS IS THERE A CONSENSUS FROM THE COUNCIL ON. EITHER THIS OR THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT WE SHOWED, LIKE WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE WIDTH OF THE RESIDENTIAL AT THE TOP? DO YOU WANT TO DEFINE THAT, OR ARE YOU WANTING THAT TO BE MORE NEBULOUS? I LIKED THE PREVIOUS ONE. THE PREVIOUS ONE.

PERSONALLY, I THINK A LITTLE WIDER IS PROBABLY BETTER, A LITTLE WIDER OR AS WIDE AS THE PROBABLY WIDER THAN THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. WIDER THAN THIS ONE. YEAH. AND 4500 UNITS. IS THAT THE RIGHT? IS THAT THE RIGHT IMPOSSIBLE NUMBER. IS THAT. NO, IT'S TOO MUCH. SEEMS LIKE A LOT WATER POSSIBLE TO KNOW. SHOW ME ANOTHER AREA OF THE CITY THAT'S THIS MANY ACRES. AND TELL ME HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN IT, SO I CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE

[01:00:02]

MAYBE THAT'S THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PODS PER ACRE? RATHER THAN LOOKING AT A TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS FOR THE GROSS DENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL PODS, WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE DENSITY FOR THOSE? WELL, YEAH, YOU SAY SOME WILL BE VERY DENSE AND SOME WILL BE VERY LOW. DENSE, RIGHT. BUT IF WE HAVE 400 ACRES OF THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO AVERAGE OVER IT, YES, SOME MIGHT BE 20 ACRE, SOME MIGHT BE THREE INCH PER ACRE, BUT WHAT SHOULD THE AVERAGE SHOULDN'T BE ANY HIGHER THAN TEN. I DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY YOU CAN HAVE THAT MANY ACRES OF HOUSING. 15.5 IS FAR TOO HIGH. SO 15 TWO IS TOO HIGH. I THINK CLOSER TO TEN WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. NO WAY OF KNOWING AT THIS POINT, JUST BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON SO MANY THINGS. I JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK IF I REWIND BACK ABOUT LIKE BOB'S COMMENT ABOUT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, LOOKING BACK ON THIS AND SAYING, DID WE DO A GOOD THING? I'M TRYING TO REWIND BACK TO 20 YEARS BEFORE I STARTED. YOU'LL KNOW WHEN YOU TURN ON YOUR FAUCET AND WATER COMES OUT OR NOT, RIGHT? I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW I WOULD HAVE ENVISIONED THE EVERYTHING WEST OF ALLEN'S HOUSE, EVERYTHING WEST OF 48TH, HOW 25 YEARS AGO, HOW I WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT DEVELOPED. AND IF I'D BEEN SITTING IN A ROOM LIKE THIS TRYING TO PLAN IT OUT AND, OH, HERE'S THE COMMERCIAL AND HERE'S THE THERE'S NO WAY WE WOULD HAVE GUESSED RIGHT. WE'RE GUESSING RIGHT ON WAY TOO BIG OF A PIECE, I THINK. I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LEAVE IT UNDEFINED AND TAKE IT AS IT COMES. THAT'S JUST, I THINK EVEN IF IT'S THE MARKER THAT WE CAN CHANGE THAT GO INTO RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE HELPFUL. EXACTLY. EVEN IF IT'S JUST A MARKER THAT WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO CHANGE. BUT SOMETHING TO TO SET AN INITIAL MARKER SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE THAT WE SHOULD, OR TRANSPORTATION OR UTILITY. ALL OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS BASED ON THESE MODELS. I MEAN, IF IT'S CLEAR THAT I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. THREE AND THREE ACRES NOT ENOUGH AND 15 IS TOO HIGH. SO IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE, IS THERE THE 5 TO 10. THAT'S RIGHT. IS IT 10 TO 15. IS IT I THINK WHEN WE GET MR. DAVENPORT'S INFORMATION THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEFINE THAT BETTER FOR YOU. OKAY. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I CAN SAY, OKAY, HAVE THIS MANY UNITS PER ACRE AND THEN FIND OUT THAT JORDAN WATER VALLEY WATER'S ONLY GOING TO GIVE ME FIVE UNITS PER ACRE, WHATEVER THE COST. DOUBLE BECAUSE LEGISLATURE .35, EXACTLY .35 ACRE FEET PER ACRE. YEAH. AS OUR BOARD MEMBER HAS STATED, JORDAN VALLEY IS WILLING TO GIVE US THREE UNITS PER ACRE ON UNDEVELOPED LAND. RIGHT. SO ARE WE GOING TO SAY WE CAN ONLY DO THREE UNITS PER ACRE FOR RESIDENTIAL? NO. PROBABLY BE ASKING THE DEVELOPER TO BRING WATER RIGHTS TO THIS. WELL, AND AND THAT'S GOING TO VARY TOO, RIGHT. THAT'S THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS PER ACRE. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A DATA CENTER ON THAT THAT DOESN'T USE ANY WATER, THEN YOU HAVE MORE. RIGHT? SO. IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT DEPENDS. WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO LEAD INTO, IS WE DO HAVE A LOT THAT NEEDS TO COME IN. WE KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING, BUT A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE'VE GOT MORE INFORMATION WHEN WE GO UP TO JONES RANCH. WHAT I LIKED ABOUT JONES RANCH IN OUR MDA IS THAT WE KNOW THAT'S HOW MANY UNITS THEY CAN PUT IN. WE ALSO KNOW HOW MANY ACRES THAT HAVE TO GO INTO REVERSAL. THEY CAN MOVE THAT AROUND, THEY CAN MOVE THEIR COLORS AROUND, BUT THEY'RE TIED INTO X AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL. THEY'RE TIED INTO. THAT'S HOW MANY UNITS THEY CAN BUILD, HOW THEY DO THAT, IT'S UP TO THEM. BUT THEY BUT THOSE ARE THE SAFEGUARDS THAT ARE IN THAT PLAN THAT I APPRECIATE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT OVERALL THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING. AND THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE BUILDING VILLAGE 13 TOMORROW AND AND FOR IN FIVE YEARS THEY GET TO DECIDE ALL OF THAT. BUT IF WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF LOCKED INTO AMOUNTS AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANT IN THIS MDA, I WANT IT LOCKED IN SO THAT I KNOW THAT I'M GETTING X AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL STILL, AND THAT ONLY THIS MUCH WILL BE IN RESIDENTIAL. BECAUSE IF I SAY OKAY TO THAT PURPLE, I COULD END UP WITH THREE QUARTERS OF THAT PROPERTY BEING RESIDENTIAL AND THAT ISN'T WHAT ANYBODY WANTED. AND SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. WE HAVE A MAX

[01:05:05]

THAT'S THE PROPOSAL. AND FOR ME THAT'S A LITTLE FUNNY. YOU'RE SAYING WELL, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT IS TOO HIGH. CAN WE GIVE YOU ANY MORE MUD FOR YOUR WATER? I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK, GIVE YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM UTILITIES, AND PROBABLY WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. AND IF THEY WANT TO BRING IN THE PLAN, BRING IT IN. GIVE IT TO US. YEAH. I MEAN, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO IT. I AGREE IT WASN'T SO I DON'T KNOW WHO IT WAS WASN'T IT. I THINK CHRIS BRING ME THE BUCKET. YEAH HE DID. YEAH. HE BROUGHT ME IN MELISSA BOOKS. YEAH. YEAH. SO SO I WAS JUST TO SAY THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE THEY ARE OPEN TO HAVING A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF INDUSTRIAL SPECIFIED. THAT'S EXPRESSLY STATED A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF MINIMUM. OKAY. SORRY.

SORRY, DUDE. PRONOUNCE MY WORDS A MINIMUM ACREAGE AMOUNT. NO THAT'S PERFECT. WELL THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR IS, IS 400 UNITS OR 400 ACRES FOR 4500 UNITS. AND THAT TO COME BACK AND SHOW US WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THEM? YEAH.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S MAYBE THAT'S AS FAR AS WE TAKE IT. I DON'T KNOW, JUST MY THOUGHTS. I JUST THINK PLANNING THIS BIG OF A PIECE IS JUST UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO MOVE OFF OF THIS BECAUSE WE'VE. YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS. SO JUST THINK YOU CAN COME VISIT US AGAIN. YEAH, BUT WE DON'T WE DON'T NEED TO DO A THUMBS UP ON IT. WE KNOW WE'RE WE'RE COMING BACK. IS THAT CORRECT? ALLEN. YEAH. I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN ENOUGH. CORRECT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FULL DIRECTION, BUT WE'VE POINTED A CERTAIN WAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE

[c. Discussion of Proposed Amendments to City Code – Title 1, Chapter 12 – Employee Appeal Process]

[01:10:03]

AFTER YOU FILE THE APPEAL, THE ALJ WOULD HAVE TEN DAYS TO SCHEDULE THE HEARING. THE HEARING IS SET FOR THEIR REGULARLY SCHEDULED HEARING DATES. THE ALJ RIGHT NOW IS COMING JUST ONCE A MONTH. I THINK THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET HIM HERE MORE, BUT THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE HE'S AT. WE KEEP GIVING HIM MORE AND MORE RESPONSIBILITY. WE WOULD DEFINITELY INCREASE HIS CASELOAD 15 DAYS AFTER THE HEARING, THE DECISION IS ISSUED AND THEN PURSUANT TO STATE CODE, THERE'S 30 DAYS AFTER THE ALJ WOULD ISSUE THEIR DECISION THAT THE EMPLOYEE WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THE STATE COURT. STANDARD AND BURDEN OF PROOF.

AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST KIND OF CLEANUP ISSUES THAT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS IN A CRIMINAL CASE.

IT'S BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. AND THE STATE BEARS THE BURDEN OF PROOF, RIGHT. THE STATE HAS THE BURDEN TO PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A CIVIL APPEALS CASE. THAT'S NOT STANDARD. THE STANDARD IS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. AND THEN THE APPEALING PARTY BEARS THE BURDEN OF PROVING THAT THE ACTION TAKEN WAS IMPROPER OR NOT CORRECT. SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT'S AT. MY MY UP ON TIME. SORRY, I THOUGHT I THOUGHT I SAW THE RED FLAG. THAT'S 3.5 MINUTES OKAY. GOOD JOB I IT REALLY ISN'T THAT EXCITING. IT'S MORE FOR US I THINK, THAN IT IS FOR ANYBODY ELSE. THE WHEN IT WAS DRAFTED, I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE JUST LITTLE HICCUPS THAT GOT PUT IN THERE. IT WAS MORE THAN A SCRIVENER'S ERROR AND THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO COME BACK AND CORRECT. BUT OVERALL, IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY EXCITING. FAVORITE PART WAS THAT SCINTILLA THAT I HAD TO LOOK UP. YEAH, A SCINTILLA SCINTILLA OF EVIDENCE. IT'S AN OLD LEGAL YEAH, YEAH. LEGAL PHRASE THAT THEY LIKE RELATED TO SCANT IT. IT PROBABLY IS PROBABLY HAS THE SAME LATIN ROOT IF WE WERE TO GOOGLE IT. SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT TO US I. AS AM I, I WISH I THOUGHT OF THAT. GOOD JOB. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? SCRIVENER'S ERRORS. YEAH, I THINK IT'S FINE. NO GOING THROUGH THIS, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WOULD SIT OUT TO ME. HOW ABOUT THE CHANGES? THE ALJ GO TO THIS LEVEL VERY OFTEN IN OUR CITY. NO WE DON'T. IT'S SOMETHING THOUGH THAT WE'VE DONE SINCE I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY TWO AND A HALF YEARS, I THINK MAYBE ONCE. AND DID YOU REVIEW IT BECAUSE IN THERE SHE HAS SOME RESPONSIBILITIES. HER OFFICE, SHE LOVES WHEN I GIVE HER ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES, SHE SHE COMES UP AND GIVES YOU A GIFT BASKET. SHE'S GIVING YOU A SIDE EYE. LOOK. LOOK HOW EXCITED SHE IS RIGHT NOW I KNOW. HEY. AND TO BE FAIR, IT'S NOTHING THAT'S NOT ALREADY IN THE CODE. SO WE'RE NOT REALLY ADDING. MAYBE JUST MAKING IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR HER WHEN SHE DOES HAVE THESE CLEARED UP. THANKS. A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE.

PANEL EMPLOYEE DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE ANYTHING HERE WE GOT TO DO THAT. DO I HAVE FOUR WHO ARE READY? YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE A FULL HOUSE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. KEEP BRINGING US EASY STUFF LIKE THAT. PATRICK, I GOT MORE FOR YOU TONIGHT, SO I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET LOTS OF PEOPLE. THAT ONE I YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT. ALL RIGHT. OUR LAST ONE. AND HE SAID HE WAS LIKE THE LAST SPEAKER AT THE SACRAMENT MEETING GOING TO TAKE UP AS MUCH TIME AS HE NEEDED,

[d. Legislative Update]

AND I'M GOING, HOWARD THIS TIME, I GUESS. WHERE DOES OBAMA SUIT FOR THE OCCASION? SPRING WEATHER. OKAY, I LIKE I SAID IN MY EMAIL, I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE BILL.

WE'LL JUST KEEP IT HIGH LEVEL ON A LOT OF THINGS. AND I WANT TO FOCUS ON PROPERTY TAX. WE FOCUSED BEFORE THE SESSION ON THE 60% RESIDENTIAL EXEMPTION. THAT WAS WHAT LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP WAS PUSHING PRETTY HEAVILY. WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT BILL IS DEAD.

YEAH. SO I THINK BUSINESSES ARE HAPPY. CITIES ARE HAPPY. THE PEASANTS REJOICE THAT THAT

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AND BY THE TIME SHE PRESENTED IT TO HER COLLEAGUES IN CAUCUS, THE REPRESENTATIVE KOFOD, THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY SUPPORT IN THE ROOM. AND IT ENDED UP LEADERSHIP, STAYED PRETTY SILENT ON IT, DIDN'T BACK IT UP. AND SO THE BILL LOOKS LIKE IT'S DEAD. SO WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

HB 184 WAS SMALL LOTS AND STARTER HOME AMENDMENTS, AND THIS ONE WAS BASICALLY ANY ANY 5000 SQUARE FOOT LOT OR ABOVE. YOU COULD BUILD AN ADU. AND IT WAS JUST THE STATE SAID YEP, YOU CAN. AND SO YOU CAN PUT IT IN YOUR FRONT LAWN IF YOU WANTED TO. AND ALL THESE CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT TO REPRESENTATIVE WARD. HE RAN A COUPLE OF BILLS THAT WERE PRETTY TERRIBLE LAST YEAR THAT WE DEFEATED. HE'S GOT SOME THIS YEAR. AND HE SAID, IF THIS DIES, I'M BRINGING IT BACK. NEXT YEAR, I WILL FIND SOMETHING THAT WILL PASS. AND SO LUCKILY WE WERE ABLE TO DO QUITE A BIT ON THAT BILL, WORK THE COMMITTEE REALLY HARD. AND THAT BILL WAS HELD BY THE COMMITTEE. AND THEY SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES. HE SAID THAT THE COMMITTEE THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD BE ABLE TO REJECT THESE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY TO THE CITY. BUT THE STATE ENCOURAGED THE CITIES TO TO ADOPT THEM. AND WE JUST SAID, LIKE, WE GET THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU'RE REALIZING LOCAL CONTROL IS A THING, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE NOW PUTTING LOCAL ZONING IN STATE CODE, AND WE, THE CITIES WILL FEEL PRESSURE FROM THE STATE EVERY TIME THE STATE MANDATES HIGHER DENSITY. WE BUILD APARTMENTS. WE CHANGE OUR LIKE THERE ARE THINGS WE'RE ALREADY DOING. WE DON'T NEED MORE OF THIS. AND WE KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE KEEPING TRACK. AND YOU WILL USE THIS TO SAY, WE DON'T LIKE HOW THE CITY OF WEST BOUNTIFUL DID X, AND SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO PUNISH THE WHOLE STATE. THE COMMITTEE RECOGNIZED THAT ALL OF THEIR ALL OF THEIR TALKING POINTS RECOGNIZE THAT THE BILL WAS HELD. WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE IT COMING BACK, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MONITOR IT. SO WE WERE PRETTY HAPPY WITH THAT. AND THE COMMITTEE, I THINK WAS GENUINELY WHEN WE SAID, HEY, WE STILL HATE THIS BILL. WHY WE THOUGHT WE FIXED THE THE THE COUNCIL CAN REJECT IT. SO WHEN WE EXPLAIN THE PHILOSOPHY OF WHY THEY OKAY, THAT THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE. TRUTH AND TAXATION. THE BILL THAT IS THAT IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO GO FORWARD IS REPRESENTATIVE KAREN PETERSON. SHE'S BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK ON THIS. AND INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY SAYING HOW MUCH YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE, THERE'S THERE'S SOME BILLS. TOM PETERSON HAS A BILL IN LEADERSHIP. HAVE HER RAISE THIS BILL. NO, I THINK I THINK THIS WAS HER. YEAH. AND SHE WAS ON A CITY COUNCIL BEFORE. AND SHE WAS JUST SAYING, I'M HEARING FROM A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS THAT WE FEEL LIKE THE DECISION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE. WE'VE ALL HEARD THESE TALKING POINTS, THE DECISIONS ALREADY BEEN MADE. AND SO THIS WOULD JUST SAY THIS WOULD PROVIDE A STATEMENT IN YOUR APRIL APRIL BUDGETING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AN OPTION, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. WE'RE DISCUSSING TYPE OF PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. THIS IS THE ONE SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE LEAGUE ON. THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS MOVING. THIS IS THE ONE THAT I THINK MOST OF THE LEGISLATURE OKAY WITH THIS ONE THOUGH IS THE TIME PERIOD IS BETWEEN. HER TIME PERIOD IS MAY 1ST TO JUNE 8TH OKAY. WHICH WAS OKAY. THERE'S THE OTHER BILL. OTHER ONE WAS APRIL IS APRIL 1ST. BEFORE APRIL 1ST. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A BUDGET DONE YET. IT WAS MUCH MORE STRICT, LIKE THEY WANTED YOU TO PROVIDE WAY MORE INFORMATION THAN THE CITIES WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH DOING. AND HE WAS ALSO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. IT'S YEAH, A LOT. SO THIS ONE IS THIS ONE. THAT'S RIGHT. THE DATE WAS A LOT BETTER. AND SO MOST PEOPLE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE THIS IS HEADING. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, JUST LIKE POLITICALLY WITH WHAT THE LEGISLATURE STARTED OUT TRYING TO DO ON PROPERTY TAXES, THIS IS MUCH BETTER.

IT'S MUCH BETTER. I ALSO WANT TO JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ON REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON, SHE ALSO HAS A BILL. LOCAL GOVERNMENT FEE AMENDMENTS IS THE TRANSPORTATION FEE BILL

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THIS CODIFIES IT SET SOME LIMITS AND RULES. IT HAS BEEN TYPICALLY IN THE PAST THE LDS CHURCH REALLY OPPOSED IT. INTERMOUNTAIN OPPOSED IT BECAUSE NONPROFITS WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PAY THAT SAME FEE. THEY HAVE COME TO THE TABLE OVER THE INTERIM. I THINK EVERYONE'S IN A GOOD SPOT. SO OUR RULE IS FOURTH TIME'S THE CHARM ON THIS BILL AND THE LEAGUE IS SUPPORTING IT. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY WORK ON THIS BILL. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO GO FORWARD THIS TIME. IT'S USUALLY DIED IN THE SENATE. A VERY SLOW AND PAINFUL DEATH. BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO PASS THIS TIME. SO CITIES WILL STILL MAINTAIN THE ABILITY TO CHARGE A TRANSPORTATION FEE. AND NONPROFITS NOT FOR PROFITS WOULD BE ABLE TO WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY THE FEE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COUNT ALONG THIS FORMULA. THEY'RE ONE OF THEIR LOWEST TRAFFIC DAYS, SO THEY CAN TAKE A DAY OFF OF THE FORMULA. SO A LOT OF A LOT OF CHURCHES WOULD HAVE TO PAY LESS BECAUSE THEY CAN TAKE ONE OF THOSE DAYS OFF. AND IT WAS THIS COMPROMISE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES TO THE THE FEE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT HOW THAT CHANGES THE AMOUNT. BUT THEY'VE GOT TO A PLACE WHERE EVERYONE CAN AGREE. SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT BILL NUMBER. HB 425 HB 485 IS PROPERTY TAX REVENUE INCREASE BY REPRESENTATIVE OXYIR. SHE'S OUT OF OREGON AND SUMMIT COUNTY. THIS WOULD ACTUALLY LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF NEW GROWTH THAT A CITY IS ALLOWED TO COLLECT. SO EVERY INCENTIVE IN THE WORLD THAT YOU HAVE, THEY ARE NOW TAKING THAT AWAY. AND LET'S SEE THE MAX WEST JORDAN CITY COULD COLLECT WOULD BE THE LESSER OF THE ELIGIBLE NEW GROWTH MULTIPLIED BY THE MINIMUM BASIC RATE OR THE INFLATION ADJUSTED BUDGET INCREASE. SO THEY DO NOT WANT YOU TO GET ANY MORE MONEY. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND A PRETTY STRONG OPPOSE ON THAT BILL, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYONE. THE LEAGUE HATES IT. AMERICA HATES IT. SHE ALSO ANOTHER. SHE ALSO HAS ANOTHER BILL WHERE SHE SAYS IF RESIDENTS HAVE REJECTED A BUILDING PROJECT, LET'S SAY WE PUT A LIBRARY ON OUR BALLOT AND THE VOTERS REJECT BUILDING IT OR FUNDING IT, THEN HER BILL WOULD PREVENT ANY OTHER WAY TO PAY FOR THAT. THEY'RE JUST SAYING THE VOTERS ARE REJECTING THE BUILDING, NOT THE FINANCING. SO YOU CAN'T USE A A GEO BOND.

YOU CAN'T. THERE'S NO OTHER WAY YOU CAN FINANCE THE BUILDING. SO THAT WOULD BE IF YOU WENT TO BALLOT WITH A GEO BOND TO SAY, LET'S BUILD OUT WHATEVER. AND THE VOTERS SAID, NO, YOU GOT IT, THEN YOU COULD NEVER BUILD IT. THERE'S NOT LIKE A SUNSET CLAUSE ON THAT. THERE'S NOT.

YOU COULDN'T FIND IT IN ANY OTHER SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT APPLICATION CLAUSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU COULD NOT USE THE BUILDING AUTHORITY TO BUILD IT. THIS ONE'S MOVING FORWARD.

NO. IT EXISTS OKAY. THAT'S FINE. THE THE LEGISLATURE HAS PASSED 49 BILLS. WE ANTICIPATE THEY WILL PASS ANOTHER 500 BILLS IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE SESSION. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. I REALLY LIKE THE PACE THEY'RE ON. I THINK IF THEY THEY ARE 25 BILLS BEHIND LAST YEAR. SO WE'RE DOING GOOD. LICENSE PLATE READER AMENDMENTS HB 327 REPRESENTATIVE CHEVROLET.

THIS IS THIS IS REALLY RESTRICTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S USE OF LICENSE PLATE READERS. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IT ALSO PROHIBITS, LET'S SAY, A SHOPPING CENTER. JORDAN LANDING WANTED TO HAVE THEIR OWN LICENSE PLATE READERS AND COLLECT DATA ON WHICH CARS ARE A PROBLEM, WHICH ONES ARE RACING, WHICH, YOU NAME IT. THEY WOULD NOT BE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO SHARE THAT DATA WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THEY COULDN'T WOULDN'T EVEN BE ALLOWED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT THAT DATA. THAT'S THE MOST IT'S A DATA PRIVACY THING.

DON'T BE LOOKING. I MEAN, WHAT WOULD BE IF YOU HAVE THEFT AND YOU SEE SOMEONE'S LICENSE PLATE AS THE THE AGENCY CAN'T SHARE THAT WITH THE CORRECT? YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. WE KNOW WHO STOLE IT. SORRY. POLICE OFFICER TROLLEY SQUARE HAS THESE ALL OVER THE PLACE TO PREVENT THEFT.

AND THEY COMMUNICATE WITH SALT LAKE POLICE. THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SEE VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT. THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING. MAYBE. MAYBE I'LL RATCHET IT DOWN. ALSO, WANT TO TALK REALLY QUICKLY ABOUT SB 97? SENATOR MCKAY, THIS BILL WAS VERY EGREGIOUS AT THE BEGINNING, AND IT STILL ALSO MANY EGREGIOUS RIGHT NOW. I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS IMMEDIATELY WHEN THIS BILL CAME OUT. I THINK EVERY CITY WENT TO HIM AND HE WAS LIKE, WELCOME. I

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AND AND I SAID, WELL, IN YOUR BILL, IT SAYS THAT IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE STATE FUNDING, WE NEED TO BE CHARGING X AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND HE SAID, WELL, YEAH, BUT THAT'S JUST LIKE ANY TIME YOU WANT STATE FUNDING FOR ANY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR BILL SAYS. YOUR BILL SAYS IT CREATES A FUND AND IT WOULD GO TO THIS FUND. SO WE'RE WORKING ON MAKING THAT MORE CLEAR. BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA RIGHT NOW, DOING THE MATH, WE ARE COLLECTING, ACCORDING TO GREG, ABOUT 26 MILLION A YEAR IN WATER, WASTEWATER FEES. THIS FOR WATER, EXCUSE ME, 29, 29 FOR WATER. JUST FOR WATER. THIS BILL WOULD SAY BOTH THE TOTAL NEEDS TO BE ABOUT 45 MILLION. BUT THE WAY THE BILL READS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ABOUT 10 OR 12 FOR SEWER. ISN'T THAT ABOUT RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW, OURS TOGETHER WOULD BE ABOUT 42 ISH.

SO WE'RE DOING THE MINIMUM. BUT THEN THEY'RE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT THAT MONEY AWAY FOR YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH. BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT ALLOWED TO SAY IN ADDITION TO A WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THAT. NO. SO THE WAY I BELIEVE, THE WAY THE BILL READS IN PEOPLE WAY SMARTER THAN ME ARE SAYING THAT IT WOULD GO TO THE STATE THAT WE THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL REVENUE. THAT'S HOW I READ THE BILL. BUT THAT'S HOW ZIONS BANK STUDY, THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED SAID, BECAUSE THEY NEED THE STATE NEEDS TO RAISE $600 MILLION A YEAR ONGOING FOR THIS.

BUT IF THEY'RE SAYING YOU CAN KEEP YOUR OWN MONEY, OKAY, THEN WHAT? WHAT IS WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF THE BILL. SO WE'RE THE BILL SPONSOR, IT SOUNDS LIKE.

CORRECT. WELL, THAT'S NOT EVEN THE BILL SPONSOR. THAT'S THE GUY RUNNING IT. AND IT'S A DIFFERENT PERSON RUNNING. OKAY, BRIDGER BOLENDER IS RUNNING THE BILL. IT IS A CASEY SNYDER BILL.

SO THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER ON IT, BUT IT'S REALLY WORKS FOR A WATER COMPANY. HE. NO, HE DOESN'T. HE WORKS FOR A MINING. REALLY. SO GRAVEL PITS. ANYWAY, I'M OUT OF TIME. YOU HAVE TAYLORSVILLE BILL DYING. YEAH. SO IT'S GOING TO SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE. BUT EVERYONE HATES IT RIGHT NOW. AND WE'RE WORKING LIKE THAT. THIS ONE FOR ME IS LIKE PRIORITY NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE IT COULD JUST I MEAN, WIPE OUT. SO THIS SEEMS A LITTLE THIS BILL SORT OF REMINDS ME OF THAT OLD BOOK, THE ART OF NEGOTIATING, WHERE THEY ASK FOR EVERYTHING, AND THEN THEY COME BACK WITH SOMETHING LESSER, BECAUSE THEN YOU'D BE GRATEFUL. SO THERE'S

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THERE'S IT SAYS YOU CAN OPT OUT OF THIS FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS, FEW YEARS, FIVE YEARS, THEN IN 2031 FOR STATE. CORRECT. AND THEN YOU STILL GET TO PAY. SO WE JUST TOLD THEM WE CAN OPT OUT RIGHT NOW. JUST GET RID OF THE 2031 DATE, GET RID OF THAT AND THEN WE'RE FINE. EVERYONE.

WE CAN JUST OPT OUT AND BE DONE. THAT'S WHAT THE WE KICKED THAT AROUND THE LEAGUE. THE LEAGUE TALKED TO THE BILL SPONSOR TODAY AND SAID, GET RID OF THIS 2031 DATE. WE WON'T. BUT THEN THE BILL IS NOTHING. EVERYONE WILL JUST OPT OUT OF IT. EVERYONE WILL OPT OUT. UNLESS UNLESS A CITY WANTS NOT SALT LAKE. SALT LAKE LIKES THIS. YOU HAVE SOME MUNICIPALITIES WHERE THIS COULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR THEM, WHERE IT'S THE STATE MAKING THEM DO SOMETHING, AND NOW THEY HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO RAISE WATER FEES OR SEWER FEES FOR A LONG TIME, AND THEY CAN NOW BLAME IT ON THE STATE. OKAY, THERE'S SOME MERIT TO THAT. SURE. SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES SO AND THEY KNOW THAT THEY WANT US TO DO UNPOPULAR THINGS SOMETIMES. AND THEN WE HAVE 3 OR 4 OTHER CRAPPY BILLS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT TIME I BRIEF YOU ALL BETTER JUST MAKE THIS A REGULAR FEATURE OF OUR WORK SESSIONS. YOU GUYS ARE ALL FREE, OF COURSE, TO EMAIL ME, CALL ME, WHATEVER YOU NEED, WHOEVER YOU'RE GOING TO TALK TO. IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO SOMEONE ON A COMMITTEE TO HATE A BILL. AWESOME TEXT TO FOLKS WHEN A BILL IS COMING UP. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GREAT AT THAT. PLEASE CONTINUE TO DO THAT. TEXT OUR REPRESENTATIVE. SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME REPRESENT YOU. TEXT US AND SAY, PLEASE TEXT ON THIS BILL. AND HERE ARE A COUPLE OF POINTS. YES, IT'S MUCH EASIER. FANTASTIC I LIKE THAT. THAT MAKES IT EASIER ON US, MAKES US FEEL SMARTER. WATER. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. THAT'S ALL I'M CARING ABOUT.

I'VE ALREADY TOLD MY TWO THAT I HATE 501 GREAT. BUT ONE OF THEM GAVE ME A THUMBS UP. AND THE OTHER ONE, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID. REMAINDER OF THIS MEETING. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ON A

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