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          EVERYBODY WAS TALKING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELCOME, EVERYONE, TO OUR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING FOR MARCH 10TH, 2026. WE HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE AT THE MOMENT. COUNCILMEMBER LAMB IS IN TRAFFIC, AND WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN HE MAKES HIS WAY IN. 
          AND COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS IS ABROAD, AND WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN SHE IS READY TO JOIN ON THAT. I DID THAT PURPOSELY FOR YOU, ZACH. IF WE ARE READY TO TALK, WE CAN BEGIN WITH OUR 
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 Discussion on Jordan Valley Station and Sugar Factory Road Station – Station Area Plan]
DISCUSSION TOPICS. WE'VE GOT ITEM TWO, A DISCUSSION ON THE JORDAN VALLEY STATION AND SUGAR FACTORY ROAD STATION. THE STATION AREA PLAN. AND WE'VE GOT STUCK AND CHRIS GEDDES FROM THE DESIGN WORKSHOP. ALSO GOT TAYLOR JENSEN, OUR SENIOR PLANNER, WHO WILL BE DISCUSSING. 
          SHE'S LOOKING FOR. COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB. YOU COULD SLIDE DOWN A CHAIR. I COULD SLIDE DOWN A CHAIR LIKE COURT RECORD. I DON'T WANT TO UNPLUG AND REPLUG. WE HAVE ALSO HAD COUNCILMEMBER LAMB ENTER THE BUILDING. BIENVENIDOS. AND THE CROWD GOES WILD. DOES THAT MEAN. 
          WE THOSE LISTENING IN? WE. WE HAVEN'T STOPPED. WE'RE JUST WAITING. OUR PRESENTERS ARE. 
          MAKING THEMSELVES PRESENTABLE. THAT IS SHOWING UP IN THE ROOM. HEY, CHAIR, IF I COULD TAKE JUST 30S, YOU CAN TAKE 30S MAYOR. SO THE AGENDA. BUT IT'S DUE TO THAT EMAIL THAT YOU GUYS GOT ABOUT DAY. SO I CHECKED WITH OASIS. THEY ARE LOOKING TO. THEY WANT TO BUY THE AREA, BUT THEY GOT THE OFFER BEFORE THEY DID. OKAY. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT BUYERS FOR THE FOR THE OASIS WILL STILL HAVE THE NORTHERN BUILDINGS. THE I HAD THE OTHER PART OF. OKAY. SO SO THAT IS TRUE. COME ON, COME ON. I'M SURE THAT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION TOPIC WE WILL HAVE. 
          I'M SURE IT WILL BE ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE WE'RE KIND OF READY. WE'RE READY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE THE TIME. ALL RIGHT, CHRIS, GO AHEAD AND START US OFF. YEAH. I'D SAY THIS STARTED OUT. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE. WE WANT TO WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TWO STATIONARY PLANS JORDAN VALLEY STATIONARY AND AND SUGAR FACTORY. WE HAVE SOME BOARDS SET UP OUTSIDE THE ROOM OUT HERE SO YOU CAN PERUSE LATER IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. BUT WE DID WANT TO SHARE SOME MATERIALS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER BASED ON ABOUT SIX MONTHS OR SO OF OF WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH STAFF HERE AT THE CITY, ON SOME IDEAS FOR WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF BOTH OF THESE AREAS. SO AGAIN, THE GOALS HERE ARE TO REALLY KIND OF SHARE THOSE IDEAS ARE LOOKING LIKE TODAY. DISCUSS THOSE ALTERNATIVES. TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL THAT YOU HAVE. WE'VE WE'VE GIVEN SOME METRICS WHICH I THINK YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT KIND OF HELP DEFINE EACH OF THE AREAS AND THE IDEAS. AND THEN WE WANT TO GET SOME ALIGNMENT WHILE WE'RE HERE ON ON PREFERRED DIRECTION FOR THE STATIONARY PLAN, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE IT TO RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EACH. JUST A REMINDER, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE THE STATE TOLD US TO BE HERE. 
          SO THE STATE HOUSE BILL 462 REQUIRES EVERY COMMUNITY IN UTAH WITH A FIXED RAIL PLATFORM TO DEVELOP A STATIONARY PLAN FOR A HALF MILE RADIUS AROUND THAT STATION, WITH THE GOAL OF IMPROVING HOUSING SUPPLY AND AFFORDABILITY, DRIVING TRANSIT USE, AND PROVIDING OR PROMOTING SUSTAINABLE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS. SO OUR PROJECT AREA AGAIN, SUGAR FACTORY ROAD, JORDAN VALLEY STATION, THESE IF YOU IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING YOU PROBABLY SEE SUGAR FACTORY. SO WE'RE WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN CITY HALL. YOU CAN SEE THE HALF MILE OUTLINE AROUND EACH OF THOSE STATIONS. WE'VE ACTUALLY ENLARGED THE JORDAN VALLEY STATION AREA TO TO TO INTERCEPT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, SINCE THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY DRIVERS OF OF TRANSIT USE FOR THAT STATION ITSELF, ALONG WITH THE MEDICAL CENTER. FROM A TIMELINE STANDPOINT, WE'RE ABOUT TWO THIRDS WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN, COMING TO YOU WITH IDEAS ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN. NOTHING ON HERE IS SET IN STONE. WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR A LOT OF INPUT, SO FEEDBACK IS IMPORTANT. WE WILL TAKE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET FROM THESE SESSIONS AND MOVE THEM TO PREFERRED ALTERNATIVES, WHICH 
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WILL COME BACK TO YOU ALONG WITH AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AS IS REQUIRED BY THE STATIONARY PLANNING BILL. OKAY. SO TO START WITH THE STATION AREA VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          SO BASICALLY WE ARE THE BIG IDEA HERE FOR EACH ONE OF THE STATIONS FOR JORDAN VALLEY IS WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE EOD FOCUSED NEIGHBORHOOD WITH RETAIL THAT CAN SUPPORT THIS KIND OF BASIC DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES AND ALSO IMPROVE CONNECTIVITY AROUND THE STATION, ESPECIALLY TO THE NORTH SIDE. THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STATION IS REALLY DISCONNECTED RIGHT NOW FOR PEDESTRIANS OR BIKES OR CARS, AND SO HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THAT AND CREATE A MUCH MORE CONNECTED BOARD HERE, A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD, AND ALSO CONNECT TO SOME OF THE DESTINATIONS THAT ARE SOUTH OF THE STATION, LIKE THE HOSPITAL AND THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP AS SOME OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR THIS AREA. AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT SUGAR FACTORY ROAD, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON HOW CAN WE UNLOCK SOME UNDERUTILIZED PARCELS AND LAND NEAR THE STATION WITH MUCH MORE STRATEGIC INFILL AND INCREMENT HOUSING AVAILABILITY IN THAT AREA? ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE BINGHAM TRAIL, BINGHAM CREEK TRAIL THAT IS GOING TO CONNECT THROUGH THAT STATION AND WITH JORDAN VALLEY AND IMPROVING NORTH SOUTH ACCESS TO ALONG SUGAR FACTORY ROADS. SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT SOME OF THE INITIAL CONCEPTS WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR EACH ONE OF THE STATIONS. WE HAVE TWO CONCEPTS FOR EACH STATIONS. THINK ABOUT THESE AS LIKE HIGH LEVEL FRAMEWORK PLANS THAT CAN HELP GUIDE WHAT WILL HAPPEN HERE IN THE FUTURE. LIKE CHRIS SAID, THESE ARE NOT POLICY. 
          THESE ARE NOT ZONING CHANGES. IT'S JUST IDEAS OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF THIS AREA, IF REDEVELOPMENT WOULD HAPPEN, IF SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS THERE WOULD WANT TO SEE SOME CHANGE. 
          THE FIRST CONCEPT FOR JORDAN VALLEY STATION. AND JUST TO ORIENT YOU HERE, NORTH IS DIAGONALLY UP THE SCREEN, BASICALLY 3400 WEST. THAT'S THE NORTH. SOUTH SPINE. YEP. SO THIS CONCEPT IS FOCUSING ACTUALLY ON MAKING 3400 WEST, A KEY NORTH SOUTH SPINE THAT CONNECTS THROUGH THE STATION AREA AND CONNECTS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RAIL WITH THE NORTH SIDE AND SOUTH TO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND THE HOSPITAL. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE REALIGNED THE ROAD AS IT CROSSES THE RAIL LINE. IN THIS CONCEPT. THERE IS CURRENTLY A STREET THAT CROSSES JUST KIND OF EAST OF BANGLADESH HIGHWAY. WE WOULD RELOCATE THAT CROSSING FOR CARS WHERE 3400 WEST NOW. YEAH, SO THAT WE ARE ELIMINATING THAT EXISTING ROAD THERE AND 3400 WEST BECOMES KIND OF YOUR MAJOR SPINE THAT CONNECTS FROM THE SOUTH ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STATION. THE IDEA IS THAT THIS IS SOME SORT OF LIKE A SMALL MAIN STREET FOR THE EXISTING POD DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING THERE, POTENTIAL NEW REDEVELOPMENT THAT COULD HAPPEN BOTH ON THE SOUTH AND NORTH SIDE OF THE STATION, WOULD HAVE A MULTI-USE PATH AND WOULD BE KIND OF THIS MORE WELCOMING, WALKABLE STREET. THE NEXT AREA. SOME OTHER IDEAS ON THIS CONCEPT. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK ON KIND OF THE SOUTH END THERE WHERE THE UTAH, THE UTAH LAKE DISTRIBUTION CANAL TRAIL CONNECTS WITH 3400 WEST, CREATING A PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GATHER AND ALSO SOMETHING THAT COULD CONNECT AGAIN WITH THE HOSPITAL AND ACTIVITY THAT IS HAPPENING THERE. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE HIGH SCHOOL THERE THAT HAS A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC TO FROM HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. SO THINKING HOW WE CAN SERVE THOSE DIFFERENT POPULATIONS, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF LOCAL RETAIL SERVING COMMERCIAL. SO THOSE ARE THE BUILDINGS IN RED THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 3400, MAYBE A SMALL BAKERY, OR LIKE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO GET LUNCH FROM THE SCHOOL, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FROM THE HOSPITAL, INCORPORATING SOME MORE GREEN AREAS, A LINEAR PARKS, A TRANSIT PLAZA WITH PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PLATFORM, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY WHERE WE HAVE THE LET'S SEE THERE HIGH DENSITY CORE, MAYBE FIVE STORIES WITH STRUCTURE, STRUCTURE, PARKING, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE JORDAN VALLEY DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN TAPERING DOWN THE SCALE AS YOU CONNECT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTH AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE. AND THEN THE SECOND CONCEPT FOR JORDAN VALLEY IS MAINTAINING 3400 WEST. AND THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT, WE ARE SLIGHTLY REALIGNING IT AS IT CONNECTS TO THE ACTUAL STATION AREA, JUST TO CREATE KIND OF A CLEANER GRID, BUT IT'S MAINTAINING THE CURRENT CIRCULATION PATTERNS, INCORPORATING GREEN SPACES AND A SERIES OF CONNECTED PARKS. ONE OF THE BIG IDEAS IN THIS CONCEPT IS WHERE YOU HAVE THE 
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LETTERS G AND H. YOU CAN SEE LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD PARK THAT WOULD SERVE BOTH THIS AREA AND THE HOSPITAL, AND ALSO A COMMUNITY SERVICES HUB, WHERE WE HEARD EARLY ON FROM THE HOSPITAL AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS NO DAYCARE FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE HOSPITAL NEARBY AND THEY HAVE VERY UNIQUE HOURS. SO THINKING ABOUT SOME COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT COULD GO IN THAT AREA, CREATE THIS HUB, CONNECT THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND AT THE SAME PLACE OFFERS SOME SERVICES THAT ARE NOT EXISTING SIMILAR AS FAR AS DENSITY, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY ON THE NORTH SIDE, TAPERING DOWN TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND IT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE THERE WOULD BE LIKE THREE, FOUR STORIES WITH SURFACE PARKING. SO NOT A VERY HIGH DENSE, JUST REAL QUICKLY, JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE PREVIOUS SCHEME WHERE WE WHERE WE STRAIGHTENED OUT 3400 WEST CONNECTION ACROSS THE TRACKS TO THE PLATFORM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PROPERTY SWAP OF SOME SORT, THE LAND THAT LKL INDUSTRIES I THINK SITS ON TODAY. THEY ARE, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, MOVING OUT OF THAT PROPERTY. SO WE'LL BE TALKING TO THAT LANDOWNER ABOUT DOING, AGAIN, A LAND SWAP TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN TOMORROW, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IF YOU WANT TO CREATE THAT KIND OF MAINSTREAM PLACE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN FIRST. THEN. YEAH. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY TRANSPORTATION. WILL YOU PLEASE LET US HAVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORDS? DAN PIERCE, TRANSPORTATION PLANNER BASED HERE IN SALT LAKE CITY. THANK YOU. YOU GOT THAT? OKAY, MISS QUICK, GREAT. AND WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TRANSPORTATION IN ADDITION TO TRACKS WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, TRYING TO MAKE THIS WHOLE AREA MORE PERMEABLE. 
          SO THE TRACKS ALIGNMENT ITSELF, WHILE IT PROVIDES AN ESSENTIAL EAST WEST CONNECTION, IT PROHIBITS NORTH SOUTH TRAVEL. AND IF YOU'RE OUT THERE TODAY, NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS, THERE'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE. THERE IS NO CROSSWALK. THERE IS NO SIDEWALK. THERE REALLY IS NO WAY TO GET THERE FROM THE SOUTH. SO CONSISTENT BETWEEN THE TWO ALTERNATIVES. WE WANT TO CREATE PEDESTRIAN PATHS AT THE PLATFORMS ITSELF, AND ALSO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF LANDING SPOT TO THE NORTH TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS BOTH FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, DESTINATIONS, BUT ALSO FROM A CONNECTIVITY PERSPECTIVE, FACILITIES THAT WILL ACTUALLY CARRY YOU THERE. 
          NOW THE KEY DIFFERENCE, OF COURSE, THAT CHRIS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IS WHERE VEHICLES, CYCLISTS, PEDESTRIANS COULD CROSS TRACKS EITHER AT THE EXISTING CROSSING, WHICH IS THAT SORT OF ROUNDABOUT CONNECTION FROM NORTHVIEW LANE FURTHER WEST TOWARDS BANGERTER HIGHWAY, OR STAYING ON 3400 WEST. UTA HAS A POLICY THAT IF THEY ARE GOING TO ALLOW A NEW CROSSING, YOU NEED TO GET RID OF ONE OF THE EXISTING CROSSINGS. SO WE CAN'T HAVE THEM BOTH. WE WOULD EITHER KEEP IT WHERE IT IS NOW OR SHIFT IT TO THE EAST. PERSONALLY, THE NOTION OF SHIFTING IT TO THE EAST IS A BIT MORE EXCITING BECAUSE IT DOES GIVE YOU THIS CONCENTRATION OF ACTIVITY, THAT CLEAR, COHERENT CONNECTION FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH. I LIKE STRAIGHT LINES THAT YOU COULD ACCUSE ME OF BEING A BIT BORING IN THAT WAY, BUT I DO THINK REALIGNING IS A NICE OPTION. REALLY, THE KEY DIFFERENCE TO AN ALTERNATIVE TO IS MAINTAINING THE CONNECTION THAT EXISTS NOW, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE OUT OF THE WAY, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS A QUESTION. YES, I REALLY LOVE THE CONNECTIVITY IN IN THE FIRST PLAN. AND THAT STRAIGHT LINE FOR SURE. BUT A CONCERN I HAVE IS IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT LIKE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIMES AND HOW THAT COULD AFFECT ACCESS TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. THAT'S RIGHT THERE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR YET. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A MORE EFFICIENT CONNECTION TO TERMS. YEAH, FEWER TURNS. AND I THINK IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONNECTION FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS WHAT REALLY THIS WOULD FACILITATE IS A STRAIGHTER SHOT. YES, IN MY MIND, THE OTHER THE CURRENT CONNECTION IS, IS QUICKER ACCESS TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT I THINK I THINK IT'S MAYBE TO A BACK OF HOUSE FOR THE HOSPITAL, BUT YOU CAN GET SORT OF. PERSONALLY, I FIND IT A LITTLE HARD TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THE SURFACE PARKING JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE HOSPITAL OUT THERE NOW. SO MAYBE IF YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING, IT COULD BE SOMETHING MORE EFFICIENT. BUT AS SOMEBODY WHO'S MAYBE TRYING TO FIND THE EMERGENCY ROOM, WHO'S A LITTLE LESS FAMILIAR, I WOULD ARGUE THIS COULD BE MORE LOGICAL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO COME DOWN, GO OVER, COME BACK, GO AROUND, COME DOWN TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL WHERE THE OTHER ONE'S STRAIGHT. I LOVE THE STRAIGHT ONE. SURE, I PREFER THE STRAIGHT ONE, BUT IT'S A QUESTION TO BE EXPLORED, I THINK, PARTICULARLY WITH THE HOSPITAL, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FEELING LIKE THEY'RE DEFINITELY A LOT QUICKER TO GET TO THE HIGHWAY. EXACTLY. THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT. I THINK THAT THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. SORRY. ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD WITH 
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THESE STATION PLANS FOR JORDAN VALLEY STATION, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE AROUND IT, BUT AS WE'RE SHOWING THESE CONCEPTS, IT'S A LONG, LONG, LONG WALK TO GET FROM ANY OF THE NEW PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO THOSE STREETS. SO THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE LOOKING AT, IS WE'RE NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT SPILLOVER PARKING IN THIS CASE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AT THE STATION GOING INTO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ALMOST A MILE, MILE AND A HALF WALK FOR SOMEBODY TO GO AND PARK THEIR CAR THERE AND WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND TO GET TO THE TOWNHOUSES AND CONDOS. SO WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. THAT IS SOMETHING WE ALWAYS LIKE TO LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE PROPOSING HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING. SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CONSIDERED JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE BROUGHT THAT UP AS WELL. 
          SO ALL OF THE YELLOW IS RESIDENTIAL. YES. AND VARYING DEGREES AND DENSITIES OF DEPENDING ON HOW DARK THE YELLOW IS. YES. THE DARKER THE MORE DENSE. YES. KIND OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL ISN'T IT. WELL SOME OF THE WHITE IS EXISTING AND THOSE YELLOW AROUND THE WHITE ARE VESTED BUT NOT YET BUILT. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S SOME OF THE YELLOW NEAR TERRIBLE THAT IS ALREADY IN HOUSES. ALL THE YELLOW UP THERE. ALL THE INDUSTRIAL. INDUSTRIAL CURRENTLY. YES. HOUSES. IT'S LIKE WHERE THE DASH PART IS, IS THAT TAYLOR TAYLOR'S THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE. IT SAYS HIGH DENSITY CORE IS THAT HOMES AND PARKING. IS THAT ALL PARKING THAT ONE. SO IT'S A IT'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING. IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG PARKING GARAGE. WE WILL RENDER IT BETTER NEXT TIME. I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A WRAPAROUND WRAP AROUND. SO THE PARKING GARAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR HOUSE. AND JUST TO WRAP UP THE THE JORDAN VALLEY CONCEPTS BEFORE WE MOVE TO SUGAR FACTORY ROAD. SO WE DID RUN SOME INITIAL METRICS FOR THESE CONCEPTS. YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST ROW IS THE EXISTING CONDITION. AND THEN WE HAVE BOTH ALTERNATIVE AND WE COMPARE THEM IN DIFFERENT ASPECTS. THE FIRST ONE IS RESIDENTIAL UNITS. SO THOSE ARE 1400 UNITS THAT ARE VESTED AS PART OF THAT TSOD PLAN. SOME IS BUILT AND SOME IS NOT BUILT YET. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY MORE UNITS EACH OF THESE CONCEPTS WOULD BRING INTO THE AREA. SAME WITH COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. ACRES OF PARKS. THERE'S NOT A FORMAL PARK RIGHT NOW IN THE AREA, SO WE'RE PROPOSING SOME OF THOSE, THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THEN A SERIES OF NUMBERS THAT ARE RELATED TO CONNECTIVITY AND HOW THAT WOULD IMPROVE, BOTH FOR TRAILS, FOR PEDESTRIAN AND EVEN FOR CARS, BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING ROADS. AND SO WE DID ACTUALLY RUN ALSO LIKE A WALK ANALYSIS SHOWING HOW FAR YOU CAN WALK WITHIN FIVE, TEN, 15 MINUTES FROM THE STATION. AND THAT HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY WITH BOTH THESE CONCEPTS THAT WE'RE SHOWING FOR THIS AREA. AND THAT BRINGS OUT THE. FOYER. AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO JUMP TO THE BACK UP JUST ONE SECOND, JUST BACK TO ONE OF THE CONCEPT PLANS, PREFERABLY THE FIRST ONE. 
          YEAH. THERE YOU GO. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO JUST FOR CONTEXT, TO HAVE THE EXISTING DENSITY RESIDENTIAL COLORED IN WITH IT SO THAT WE SO THAT I CAN GET AN IDEA. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING, YOU KNOW, APPLES AND ORANGES SO TO SPEAK. AND THEN AND THEN IT MIGHT BE JUST HELPFUL. ALSO IN GENERAL WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO KIND OF PUT A WRAPPER AROUND THAT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? FOR EXAMPLE, I USED TO MANAGE A STORE UP THE ROAD HERE. THAT WAS A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT STORE. SO A 40,000 40,000FT■!S IS FOUR OF THOSE STORES, THREE AND A HALF OF THOSE STORES. SO IT'S LIKE WE'RE NOT TALKING A MALL, WE'RE TALKING A COUPLE OF SMALL STORES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO JUST TO PUT SOME CONTEXT, 40,000 SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PUT IT UP NEXT TO THE OTHER NUMBER WAS 11,000 OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, 27,000. YEAH. 41 SOUNDS A LOT LIKE A LOT MORE. BUT IT'S REALLY IT'S ONE MORE STORE, ONE MORE TRADER JOE'S FOR YOU. SO OKAY, THAT'S THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS GOING IN THERE. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? SURE. SURE WOULD BE NICE. ALL RIGHT. SO AS YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THEM. SUGAR FACTORY IS A BIT OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. IT'S YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE PARK AND RIDE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU'VE GOT THE GOLF COURSE IN THE SOUTH. YOU DON'T HAVE THE DESTINATION USES THERE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. IT IS, HOWEVER, ONLY ONE STATION AWAY FROM CITY CENTER. SO JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT THE SYSTEM. SO IN THIS FIRST SCHEME, WE REALLY LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES. UTA HAS THE PARK AND RIDE. IT IS OVERSIZE. YOU DON'T NEED THAT MUCH SPACE. THEY ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTIES TO TO MEET THE 
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GOALS OF HB 462. SO IN THIS CASE, WE LOOKED AT PUTTING TOWNHOMES ON A PORTION OF THE UTA PARK AND RIDE FACILITY UP ON THE NORTH SIDE HERE. AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME UNDERUTILIZED PARCELS ALONG 2700 WEST. THERE'S A CHURCH THAT FOR SALE SHOWING SOME ADDITIONAL TOWNHOME SCALE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT AREA. IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STATION. WE WOULD WE WOULD PULL THE EXISTING SAND WALL BARRIER BACK SO THAT THERE'S MORE POROSITY CONNECTING TO 8250 SOUTH AND REALLY JUST TRYING TO CONNECT THAT AGAIN, SHRINKING THE FOOTPRINT OF TRANSIT OPERATIONS WITHIN THAT AREA. WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST STOP THERE. YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THERE ARE OTHER IDEAS. AND AGAIN, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT UTA'S GOALS, THE STATE'S GOALS, THE STATIONARY PLANNING PROCESS. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT ASSET NEXT TO THE PLATFORM AND THAT IS THE GOLF COURSE. SO THIS IDEA LOOKS AT CREATING A VERY DENSE CITY DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE GOLF COURSE. THEY COULD TURN THE SOUTHERN PORTION INTO AN EXECUTIVE NINE HOLE COURSE. IF THEY IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THE COUNTY WANTED TO DO. BUT THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING PEOPLE, RESIDENTS RIGHT AT THE STATION. 
          SO PROVIDING AGAIN THE SIMILAR OPPORTUNITY ON ON THE PARK AND RIDE ARE REALLY, EXCUSE ME, A RANGE OF DENSITY FROM HIGHER DENSITY CORE WITH OPEN SPACE WEAVING AROUND IT. WE DO HAVE THE OPEN SPACE UP THERE AND THEN STEPPING DOWN TO LOWER DENSITY NEAR THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEAR THE FUTURE RECONFIGURED GOLF COURSE, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN. SO AGAIN, WANT TO THROW OUT SOME IDEAS. THIS IS SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY. BUT IF WE'RE REALLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE GOAL OF STATIONARY PLANNING, THIS SEEMED LIKE A A PICTURE THAT SHOULD BE PUT OUT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC. DAN. THANKS. TRANSPORTATION. YEAH. SO IN ONE OF OUR LESS INTERESTING DIAGRAMS, YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR IF WE KEEP THE AMBITIONS AT SUGAR FACTORY ROAD A LITTLE MORE, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO THE VEST AT THIS POINT, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO. THAT BEING SAID, WE THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD ON THE BINGHAM CREEK TRAIL STUDY THAT IS UNDERWAY. THE CITY IS WORKING ON NOW. AND TO CHRIS'S POINT, GIVEN THE PROXIMITY TO CITY CENTER, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE MULTIMODAL CONNECTIONS TO THIS PLACE AND IDEALLY FURTHER ON TOWARDS JORDAN RIVER PARK. WE ALSO SUSPECT THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO PURSUE SOME TRAFFIC CALMING ON 2700 WEST, GIVEN THAT IT SERVES THE SCHOOL JUST TO THE NORTH. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO POSSIBLY KEEP TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT CALMER THERE AND ALSO HAVE MORE CROSSINGS EAST TO WEST. NOW, IN THE MORE AMBITIOUS ALTERNATIVE, WE'RE GETTING MORE OF THOSE STRAIGHT LINES THAT I'M QUITE SO FOND OF, AND ALSO BY PROVIDING TWO ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS TO SUGAR FACTORY ROAD FROM THE SOUTH, WE'RE DISTRIBUTING MORE OF THAT TRAFFIC. SO WHILE THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THIS POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT, IF THERE ARE MORE ACCESS AND EGRESS POINTS, THE LESS LIKELY WE ARE TO TO ADD ALL THAT PRESSURE TO THE HANDFUL OF EXISTING PERIMETER ROADS. AND OF COURSE, WHEN WE WERE IF WE ARE ABLE TO PURSUE DEVELOPING IN THIS WAY, WE COULD DESIGN THOSE RIGHTS OF WAY TO LOOK THE WAY THAT WE WANT THEM TO. SO COMFORTABLE SIDEWALKS, BETTER STREETSCAPE, BETTER PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT, AND JUST OVERALL CONNECTIVITY BOTH TO THE STATION AND THEN WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. RIGHT. ALL THOSE METRICS AGAIN. SO IF WE DO THE EASY ONE, IT'S ABOUT 80 ADDITIONAL UNITS IS PURSUING THEM 15 UNITS PER ACRE ON THE UTA AND AND PROPERTIES ALONG 2700 WEST PROPERTY. WE TALKED ABOUT PARKS. WE'RE ACTUALLY REMOVING SOME PARK SPACE, BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY PARK BECAUSE IT'S A GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS WATER OUT THERE WITH YOUR DOG. CONNECTIVITY OBVIOUSLY IMPROVES MORE ROADS, ADDITIONAL PATHS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, ONE IS AN EASY ONE TO WORK ON. AND UTA COULD DO THAT TOMORROW. THE OTHER ONE'S OBVIOUSLY A BIGGER LONG TERM, LONG TERM CONSIDERATION FOR FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR TAYLOR ON THAT. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH HOW MUCH WATER THE GOLF COURSE IS CURRENTLY USING VERSUS A CONCEPT LIKE THIS? IN MIND? I GUESS I CAN. GREG'S VOICE BACK THERE. YEAH, SORRY. THEY'RE ACTUALLY SECONDARY WATERS. IRRIGATION WATER COMES FROM THE GOLF COURSE, SO THEY'RE NOT USING. SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND WATER FOR THAT TYPE OF SPRINT. IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THE CITY COUNCIL WAS REALLY WANTED TO DO, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK AT IMPROVING WATER OUTSIDE WATER. MAKE IT RAIN. YEAH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING THE CARBON FOOTPRINT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF TREES AND A LOT OF GREEN, BUT ADDS TO THE OXYGEN IN OUR AREA AND TAKES AWAY THE CARBON DIOXIDE. AND IF WE ADD ALL THAT INTO HOUSES AND ROADS, THAT CHANGES THE ECOLOGY OF THAT CARBON CAPTURE. YEAH, 
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WE ARE PUTTING IT. WE DON'T HAVE IT READY YET, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE SOFTWARE THAT ALLOWS US TO GET ALL THOSE METRICS FROM EACH ONE OF THESE. I SEE TWO SIDES OF THIS. AN 80S SONG COMES TO MIND PARADISE. THAT ON THE ONE HAND AND ON THE OTHER HAND I SEE HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT PART OF THE GOLF COURSE. LET'S CALL IT 50. JUST TO SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE, I SEE 50 ACRES OF NONTAXABLE COUNTY OWNED LAND, 250 ACRES OF BRAND NEW PROPERTY TAX LAND, AND THAT ANYTIME YOU CAN DO THAT, YOU DECREASE THE BURDEN ON EVERYBODY ELSE. THE THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS WE'VE NEVER PLANNED FOR SEWER FOR THAT LOCATION. WE'RE WATER, OBVIOUSLY THE ENGINEERING FOR SURE, BUT I'M JUST I LOVE THE CONCEPT, HIGHER LEVEL. I LOVE AND AND ONLY HAVING NINE HOLES. 
          I THINK 18 HOLES IS PROBABLY PLAY IT TWICE. YEAH, TWICE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED 18 THERE. 
          AND YOU KNOW THAT GOLF COURSE WAS MADE IN A VERY DIFFERENT TIME. INNER CITY. WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE THE CITY'S LITTLE HOLE OVER THERE. AND YET PEOPLE ARE EVERY TIME I PASS BY, ANYTIME I HEAR OF ANYBODY, ANY CITY TRYING TO GET RID OF A GOLF COURSE FOR ANYTHING, IT'S A FIGHT. I CAN THINK OF A WHAT'S IT CALLED, A MULLIGANS. THEY FOUGHT THAT ONE TOO, IN GLENMORE. YOUR BROTHER KNOWS ABOUT THAT? OH YEAH. THAT'S ALMOST LITERALLY MY BACKYARD. 
          THE GOLF COURSE. THAT'S IT WOULDN'T BE. YOU WOULDN'T BE GETTING RID OF THE HOLE GOLF COURSE. LET PART OF IT. SO. SO I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES OF THIS THIS BEING PRELIMINARY. HAVE YOU ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE GOLF COURSE? BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT BY IT. IT'S THERE. IT'S BUSY. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOU. COUNTY. COUNTY. OKAY. THERE'S YOU MENTIONED THE GOLF COURSE AT THE AIRPORT. HOW MUCH NEWS THAT DROVE IN PRESSURE. BUT THE FAA HAS MORE POWER, SO NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT THAT. YEAH. THIS IS SIX HOLES OUT OF THE OUT OF THE GOLF COURSE. SIX. 
          SO THEY CAN MAKE THE OTHER 12 INTO SMALL, CHALLENGING SMALL THREE PARS. YEAH. YOU CAN MAKE AN 18 HOLE PAR THREE COURSE. THE PAR THREE. THAT'S ALSO THAT'S BOTH SIDES. THAT SIDE IS WHERE THEY'RE DRIVING. DRIVING AS WELL. PART THREE. OH RIGHT IS ON THAT SIDE. THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH SIX HARD DRIVING AGE I CAN IMAGINE PEOPLE WHO LIVE CLOSE TO IT WOULD BE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO GETTING RID OF IT. I KNOW ONE HOUSE THAT'S LIKE ROW HOMES OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THESE THE YELLOW ONES. THOSE WOULD BE TWO STORY, THREE STORY. THEY'RE DRAWN AS THREE STORY. YEAH. 
          I'VE SEEN THE ONES WHERE THEY'RE LIKE GARAGE LIVING ROOM. YEAH. THAT'S. YEAH, I GUESS IT IS A THREE STORY, BUT IT'S REALLY THREE, TWO, TWO, TWO IN A BOTTLE. YEAH. RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF 22. AND SUGAR FACTORY IS A LITTLE GATED LIKE FOUR. VERY NICE CLUB LANE. YEP. 
          THERE'S A CHURCH THERE TOO. WITH THOSE ONES. IT IS FOR SALE. THEY'RE SELLING CHURCH. REALLY? LET'S GET THE CHURCH. I KNOW PEOPLE OWNED IT. SO THAT IS THAT IS THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION. SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. WELL, I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU DID. I MEAN, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE TOLD TO DO THIS, YOU DON'T GET OUR PERSPECTIVE. YOU JUST GET THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE COUNTY AND UTA AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO IT'S GOOD THAT YOU GUYS KIND OF GET TO HEAR FROM US BECAUSE YOU DON'T HEAR WHAT WE HEAR. WE WE HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS. AND IF WE SHOW THAT TO THE NEIGHBORS TODAY, WE'D BE GETTING YELLED AT. SO WE ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND MAKE SURE IT FITS THE AREA. AND IT ALSO WILL MAKE THE NEIGHBORS HAPPY AS WELL, EXCEPT THE ONES WHO GET THE GOLF BALLS THROUGH THE WINDOWS. THOSE ONES WILL BE HAPPY I GUESS. GO GET GOLF BALLS. PEOPLE PLAY IN THE BACKYARD. MY GRANDSON LEARNED THAT LESSON. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE REGARDING THIS OR ANY DIRECTIONS WE ARE THINKING? DO YOU GUYS NEED ANYTHING FROM US? SO GOING BACK TO. JORDAN VALLEY, I THINK WE HEARD SOME SUPPORT FOR FOR STRAIGHTENING OUT THE 400. THAT NETWORK. THIS IS THIS ONE. WE WE SIZED THE RETAIL. I WANT TO JUST I WANT TO TALK A BIT ABOUT 
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THE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. WE WE DID MARK WE DID A MARKET STUDY. 
          AND THERE'S NOT A HIGH DEMAND FOR RETAIL AT THIS LOCATION. NUMBER ONE YOU CAN'T SEE IT SO TOUGH TO GET TO. SO WE THINK THERE'S WE THINK THERE'S A MARKET FOR AGAIN CONVENIENCE RETAIL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING RETAIL. YOU KNOW SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO GO TO WORK AT THE HOSPITAL GRABBING A SANDWICH ON THE WAY INTO WORK. SOMEBODY WHO'S OF COLLEGE NEED A CONVENIENT FOOD THERE, BUT NOT A LOT MORE RETAIL THERE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE SHOWING MOSTLY YELLOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF RETAIL OPPORTUNITY HERE OUTSIDE OF OUTSIDE OF THAT CONVENIENCE RETAIL. LIKE A MINI MART TYPE THING. YEAH, A COUPLE A DELI AND COFFEE SHOP. YEAH. YEAH. 
          DAYCARE LIKE YOU MENTIONED. YEAH, A WALMART, MAYBE ONE OF SUPERCENTER. I DON'T MAKE THOSE ANYMORE. I THINK I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK IN BOTH CASES. WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF STITCHING INTO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. IN THE CASE OF JORDAN VALLEY, WE'VE GOT DENSITY THERE RIGHT NOW. BUT TO THE NORTH, NORTH OF THE INDUSTRIAL IT IS IT IS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. WHAT IS YOUR APPETITE FOR DENSITY AT SPECIFICALLY AT JORDAN VALLEY STATION? AGAIN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING AT ABOUT MAXING AT FIVE STORIES. WE COULD CERTAINLY SHOW MORE. ALTHOUGH YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WATER ISSUE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL ALWAYS HAVE A WATER ISSUE OR OR WE CAN OR WE CAN GO LESS A REMINDER THAT FUNDING IS AVAILABLE AT WHICH IS THE STATE TIFF AT 50 UNITS PER ACRE OR HIGHER, 50 UNITS PER ACRE WOULD BE A MINIMUM FIVE STORY STRUCTURED PARK PROJECT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT KIND OF DENSITY AT AT SCALE SMALLER THAN THAT. SO I THINK IN THIS LOCATION, DENSITY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. AND IF YOU LIVE NEARBY, YOU MIGHT NOT FEEL QUITE THAT EXCITED ABOUT IT. THERE'S LUCKILY THERE'S BUFFERS, I MEAN, THE SCHOOL BUFFERS FROM THIS SIDE. AND THEN THE REALLY IT AFFECTS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UP IN THE FAR NORTH. YEAH. PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE NO WAY AND NEARBY, BECAUSE YOU'VE NOW PUT IN LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE. 
          IT'S OKAY. IT'LL BE A GOOD SELLING POINT FOR ME. MOVING THE. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THE THE THE E-SHAPED BUILDINGS ON THE SIDE THERE. HOW MUCH OF THOSE ARE BASED ON WHAT'S ALREADY VESTED IN. WE JUST A YEAR AGO, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, HAD SOME PRETTY INTENSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER OVER THERE. AND AND IT'S THE SAME THING. AND JUST WONDERING HOW HOW THAT COMPARES TO WHAT'S ALREADY INVESTED IN. SO WE ARE SHOWING THAT AT THE VESTED DENSITY, ASSUMING THAT THEY GET THEIR STUFF TOGETHER AND BUILD THEIR 800 OR SO UNITS, DO THEY WANT TO BUILD IT? THEY'VE INDICATED THEY DO. HOW MANY UNITS? DEPENDS ON THE DAY, RIGHT. HOW DO YOU KNOW? DEPENDS ON THE DAY. SO THIS IS ABOUT 760. IN ADDITION TO THE OKAY. 
          AND SO WE'RE NOT SHOWING ANY ADDITIONAL DENSITY ON ON THAT LAND. IT'S ALREADY LISTED. 
          RIGHT. I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW THAT, HOW THAT COMPARES TO WHAT'S ALREADY WHAT'S ALREADY GOING TO BE LIKE. I WAS SAYING BEFORE, WITH THE WHITE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THIS WE NOW HAVE YELLOW BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY VESTED. SO I'M KIND OF TRYING TO GET AN ACCURATE, JUST AN ACCURATE PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND WHEN YOU WHEN THIS IS SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF THEY ALREADY KNEW THOSE WERE COMING. YEAH. EITHER. YEAH. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR. MAYBE EITHER HAVE THOSE YELLOW ONES AND WHAT'S ALREADY BUILT THAT'S WHITE IN SOME THIRD COLOR. YEAH, RIGHT. AS FAR AS SOME KIND, YOU KNOW, EXISTING OR VESTED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT TITLE. YEAH. 
          BECAUSE OTHERWISE I MEAN WE MOST OF US PROBABLY KNEW THAT THOSE, THESE WERE ALREADY ENTITLED, BUT NOBODY ELSE DOES. 3200. YES, YES. YEAH. IT'S JUST ON THE MAFIA. HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S NOT ON GOOGLE MAPS. YEAH, IT'S PRETTY NEW. THE GYMNASIUM ISN'T. 
          YEAH, YEAH, BUT IT'S BUILT. IT'S JUST NOT ON ONE OTHER WRINKLE THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN SHOWN IN HERE, BUT THIS TRIANGLE AREA RIGHT HERE IS A POTENTIAL REINVESTMENT ZONE THAT THE GOVERNOR COULD DESIGNATE. IT HASN'T BEEN. BUT IF THIS TYPE OF DENSITY IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WANTED TO GO, WE COULD ASK FOR THAT TO BE CHOSEN FOR REINVESTMENT SO THAT YOU CATCH ALL RTA THINGS, RIGHT. FEDERAL FEDERAL TAX. 
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OKAY, OKAY. TAYLOR NEEDED AT THE STATE LEVEL, BUT IT'S FEDERAL TAX INCENTIVES, NOT LOCAL INCENTIVES. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NEW LOCAL ONE THOUGHT. TAYLOR ON ON SECTION F. 
          YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE A TRANSITION. YOU'VE GOT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO THE NORTH. YOU GOT BANGERTER HIGHWAY TO THE WEST. WHAT ARE WE TRANSITIONING TO LIKE WHY NOT JUST HAVE MORE HIGH DENSITY? RIGHT. THERE WAS A SINGLE FAMILY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU. SORRY. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT THREW ME FOR A SECOND BECAUSE. THAT'S RIGHT. WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT. YEAH WE DEFINITELY WANT TRANSITION THERE. BUT I DON'T SEE IT I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT OVER THERE ON THE LEFT. YEAH. AND I THINK WE ARE OPEN TO THAT. IF THE COUNCIL IS OPEN TO THAT OF PUTTING MORE DENSITY ALONG THERE, THAT COULD ALSO ACT AS A SOUND WALL SOUND BREAK FOR THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT WE HAD WE ARE PLANNING ON EITHER OF THESE. WE WANTED TO THROW DIFFERENT CONCEPTS AND GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL WHAT THEY LIKED, WHAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE. THAT'S A PERFECT COMMENT FOR US TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS. AND THAT LANDOWNER HAS BEEN HAS BEEN TALKING TO US DURING THE COURSE OF OF THIS PROCESS. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN IT. HE WAS HERE EARLIER TODAY. 
          THEY'RE INTERESTED IN BUILDING HIGHER DENSITY ALONG ALONG SORRY. THEY DO THEY THEY ARE PRIMARILY INTERESTED IN DOING MORE AFFORDABLE SINGLE FAMILY, NOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT THEIR TOWNHOME KIND OF PROJECTS. SO THAT IS THAT IS THE MODEL THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT AND TRYING TO SELL TO INVESTORS. BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DENSITY ALONG IF YOU WANT TO SHOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. BUT WE JUST WANTED TO REFLECT WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAD BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS JOINED US AT 407 AND IS NOW HAVE A QUESTION WHICH IS PAST MIDNIGHT WHERE THEY ARE. SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ASK YOUR QUESTION NOW. HI. YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. YES. ARE YOU SPEAKING FRENCH? WE WE? YEAH. APOLOGIES FOR BEING A LITTLE BIT LATE. I HAD SORT OF A COMICAL RACE TO GET SOME TECHNOLOGY WORKED OUT, BUT I'M HERE NOW. HAPPY TO BE HERE. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. I HEARD YOU MENTION AIR QUOTES HERE. THIS TRIANGLE SECTION MIGHT BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I COULDN'T TELL WHICH TRIANGLE SECTION YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD JUST VERBALLY DESCRIBE. OH, SO IT'D BE THE TRIANGLE FORMED BY OLD BINGHAM HIGHWAY AND THE TRACKS. THE TRACKS LINE NORTH OF THE CURRENT STATION, WHERE WE'RE SHOWING ON THE CURRENT MAP THAT YOU CAN SEE THE E AND F KIND OF GO DOWN THE CENTER OF THAT SPINE. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. JUST FOR GENERAL, NOT NECESSARILY THESE SPECIFIC PLANS, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO ACCESS MONEY FROM FEDERAL AND STATE, I'D RATHER BE INVESTED ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE GET DEVELOPED. IF IF IT. YEAH. IF YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE IF IT'S EITHER OR AND IF THAT QUALIFIES. RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THIS IS ONLY FOR STUFF LIKE THAT AND THAT ISN'T THEN I THINK COVID HAS A ON THE SORRY THE FEDERAL TAX INCENTIVE. THIS IS THE ONLY LOCATION IN WEST JORDAN THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. 
          OKAY. WELL THEN THAT'S THE ONE THAT GETS YOU. I WAS JUST THINKING, CAN YOU FLIP OVER TO THE TRANSPORTATION MAP FOR THIS ONE? THE. YEAH, I'M JUST THINKING TRAFFIC FROM THIS HEADING OUT TO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET ON BANGERTER HIGHWAY HERE. YOU GOT TO GO EITHER DOWN TO 90TH OR UP TO 78. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING TRAFFIC. AND TRAFFIC CONCERNS ARE GENERALLY OVERBLOWN, BUT THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE UNITS. AND IT'S GOING OUT TO DIRECTIONS. IT'S GOING UP OLD BINGHAM HIGHWAY OR DOWN OUT 3400 WEST OR WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          IS THERE ANY THOUGHT IN THIS AS FAR AS IMPROVING CAPACITY ON THOSE TWO ROUTES? SO 90TH SOUTH IS SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE THE CITY IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH UDOT ON. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM ON THURSDAY TO FIGURE I'LL WORRY ABOUT 90TH. I'M WORRIED ABOUT GETTING TWO 90TH AND GETTING 278. SO PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE ON 3400 AT THIS POINT, AT THESE DENSITIES, BASED ON A ROUGH ESTIMATE FOR PEAK HOUR TRIP GENERATION, I'M ASKING FOR TWO LANE ROADS BIG ENOUGH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE BIG ENOUGH. THE QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO TEST IS ACTUALLY WITH UTA ABOUT THE FREQUENCY OF TRAINS HERE, AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT GATE GOING UP AND DOWN IS GOING TO COMPLICATE THINGS, IT SHOULDN'T, BUT WE NEED TO EXPLORE THAT ONE PROBABLY NEXT WEEK. WE DO HAVE RIGHT OF WAY TO PLAY WITH. THERE IS SOME ROOM IF WE NEEDED TO INCREASE CAPACITY SPECIFIC AT A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS. YEAH, YEAH. NOT TO THE NORTH THROUGH THE STATION AREA IS 
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PRETTY TIGHT AND WE ARE SHOWING IN BOTH OF THE CONCEPTS. WE DIDN'T REALLY TOUCH ON THAT, BUT THERE'S AN EXISTING CUL DE SAC HERE WHICH IS AN UNBUILT SUBDIVISION. SO WE ARE SHOWING THAT CONNECTING THROUGH AS WELL FOR A SECOND. YES. THROUGH HERE, THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. 
          THAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD. OH YEAH. NOWHERE. YEAH. THE ROAD FOR THAT ROAD WAS BUILT AND THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE SEWER, WENT TO THE ROAD HOUSE THAT NEVER GOT BUILT. THIS IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THINGS, THOUGH. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SEWER CAN HANDLE IT. WELL, LOOK WHAT HAPPENS. STREET. THEY'RE NOT BUILDING HOUSES WITH PIT TOILETS. YOU KNOW, THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, LOOKING FOR THOSE SORT OF SECONDARY AND TERTIARY CONNECTIONS TO EXISTING ROADS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THAT PRESSURE OFF YOUR MAIN SPINE IN 3400 WEST. THAT BEING SAID, PERSONALLY, I THINK MOST OF YOUR TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO TO 90 SO YOU CAN GET ON BECAUSE THAT IS THE REGIONAL CONNECTION HERE. SO BEING ABLE TO FACILITATE MORE OF THAT SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING AND NORTHBOUND IN THE PM, I THINK IS SOMETHING WE ALL LOOK AT. I THINK THE NORTHERN NORTH OF THE TRACKS WILL GO OUT OLD BINGHAM 78 AND GET A PICTURE. AND THAT THAT ONE. THAT'S THE ONE THAT WORRIES ME A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE THAT'S GOT I MEAN, IT'S A COLLECTOR ROAD, BUT IT'S GOT HOUSES AND DRIVEWAYS THAT FRONT IT. YEAH, ON BOTH SIDES ALL THE WAY UP. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE MORE PAUSE. 
          JUST AS FAR AS ADDING THIS KIND OF DENSITY TO TO THAT OUTLET ALREADY HAS A LOT I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND IT ALREADY HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC FOR SURE. I JUST WORRY ABOUT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          YEAH, THAT'S SO THAT'S THE ONE I WORRY ABOUT. YEAH. GOING SOUTH, I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH. 
          I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK I THINK THE CAPACITY IS THERE. THAT ROAD HAS VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC ON IT. BUT GOING NORTH IS THE ONE. GIVES ME A LITTLE CONCERN. I AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. THAT THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT NOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AGAIN, THE COUNCIL KNOWS THIS ISN'T FINAL STUFF, BUT IT'S I GUESS, THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN THIS ALL HAS TO BE PRESENTED. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE IT ADOPTED IN JUNE OR JULY. 
          YEAH. ANY COUNCIL ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORTH? OR IF THE MAYOR HAS ANYTHING, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE MAYOR AS WELL. I WAS JUST THINKING WHEN THEY MENTIONED TERRA LINDA, WE GOT SOLID COMMUNITY COLLEGE OVER THERE. IS THERE A WAY TO INCORPORATE HOUSING FOR THE COLLEGE? WE'VE ASKED THEM. THEIR PREVIOUS PRESIDENT HAD PLANS FOR THAT. THEIR NEW PRESIDENT AND ALL THEIR BOARD HAS NO INTEREST IN HOUSING IN THAT LOCATION. VERY GOOD. WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT GETTING STUDENTS TO USE THE TRACK STATION AND WALK OVER THERE, BUT THEY HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING, AND IT'S A KIND OF A DIFFICULT CROSSING OF 90TH, BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING THAT ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN. 
          ALSO, THE SIGNAL LIGHT. YEAH. NO, TO REALLY BUILD A REALLY LONG PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT GOES RIGHT TO THE TRACK STATION, LIKE THAT ONE THAT GOES FROM A UVU MOVING SIDEWALK. WE WERE THINKING GONDOLA, BUT THERE YOU GO. THERE'S ANOTHER SKI. SANDY DOESN'T HAVE ONE. WE CAN PUT IT IN. NOW YOU'RE TALKING. I DON'T THINK YOU'D HAVE NEARLY THE OPPOSITION. SO REAL QUICK, BEFORE WE WRAP THIS UP, ANY REAL THOUGHTS ON THE COUNCIL BETWEEN THE TWO ALTERNATIVES FOR BOTH JORDAN VALLEY AND THE SUGAR FACTORY ROAD? YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ANYTHING MORE TOWARDS EITHER OF THOSE? SUGAR FACTORY IS THE WEIRD ONE, BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN THROW A WHOLE BUNCH IN THERE UNLESS YOU TAKE OUT THE GOLF COURSE. BUT IS THE COUNCIL OPEN TO MAYBE NOT? THE PLAN THAT WE SHOWED FOR THE CREEKSIDE DEVELOPMENT, BUT POSSIBILITIES OF REDEVELOPING PORTIONS OF THE GOLF COURSE? OR IS THAT A BRIDGE TOO FAR IN THE COUNCIL? I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, JUST SEEING WHAT THE. WHAT THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WOULD SAY IN ANY OF THAT SINCE WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT WHAT THEY'RE THINKING, COUNCILMEMBER JACOBS SAID. OR SOMEONE SAID THAT WHEN YOU TAKE OUT GOLF COURSES, PEOPLE GET PRETTY UPSET AT THAT. EVEN THE ONES THAT DON'T USE IT. LIKE THE IT'S IT'S LIKE THE GREEN SPACE IS BEING TAKEN OUT, EVEN IF THEY DON'T PARTICULARLY USE THAT GREEN SPACE BECAUSE IT'S ALL FENCED OFF. BUT. IF YOU GAVE THEM A CHOICE BETWEEN A GOLF COURSE AND A SIX STORY 
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HIGH RISE, THEY'LL ALWAYS TAKE THE GOLF COURSE. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE THING, WE'VE GOT TO GO IN THERE. BUT I LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, INITIATIVE OF LOOKING AT THAT. I DO THINK IF YOU DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT MIGHT OPEN UP A LITTLE MORE AND THERE'S SOMETHING FOR AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CONVENIENCE RETAIL THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT IN THAT. BUT IF YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT WITH THE GOLF COURSE, I DO THINK THERE'S A LITTLE CHANCE FOR SOME OF THAT CONVENIENCE RETAIL, JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT YOU'LL HAVE IN THAT AREA. OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK WE APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS SO FAR AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT'S GOING TO COME NEXT. THANK YOU. WELL, I GUESS IF THAT'S IT, WE WILL MOVE. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE DESIGN WORKSHOP FOR THE EFFORTS. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE 
          [b.
 Discussion on Proposed Amendments to Title 7 Chapter 1 – Motor Vehicles and Traffic General Provisions and Definitions]
ON TO ITEM TWO B. SO THE DISCUSSION ON PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ON TITLE SEVEN CHAPTER ONE MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC GENERAL PROVISIONS AND DEFINITIONS IN CHAPTER TWO OPERATION OF VEHICLES. WITH THAT WE HAVE GOT OUR OWN MR. PATRICK BOYCE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. NO, I MOVED ONE DOWN. I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE WHEREVER ZACH'S AT, I'M RIGHT NEXT TO HIM AND JUST KIND OF COZY UP. SOMEBODY WANTS TO. IS THIS GOING TO CLICK THROUGH IF I CLICK? YEAH. I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE. SHOULD WE TRY IT? LET'S GET A RECAP ON THESE FOR A LITTLE BIT. I GOT TO KEEP GOING. YEAH WE WENT BACK A LITTLE BIT. THERE WE GO. BOOM THERE WE ARE. OKAY I'M GOING TO BE HERE FOR A FEW MINUTES BECAUSE I GOT THE NEXT THREE ON THE AGENDA. SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO HAVE A THEME. SO WE'VE GOT INSTEAD OF SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION FROM KEVIN BACON, WE'VE GOT SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION FROM FOOTLOOSE TONIGHT. ALRIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC SAFETY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOBACCO AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DANCE HALLS. SO AND ROLLER MILLS RIGHT. LEHIGH ROLLER MILLS. LIKE WE'VE DONE THE WHOLE THING. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME CONNECTIONS IN THE ROOM TO PAYSON AND IN THAT AREA DOWN THERE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OVER DINNER. THE FIRST PART THAT WE'VE GOT IS THIS ITEM TWO B, WHICH IS TRAFFIC. WHEN WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING THE TRAFFIC CODE, I KNOW THE COUNCIL HAS SOMETIMES SAID IT'D BE NICE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE TITLE, THE WHOLE THING, LIKE SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN LOOK AT. TITLE SEVEN'S NICE AND SHORT. SO WE DID, AND WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF LIKE REPETITIVE SECTIONS. THERE WAS A LOT OF DEFINITIONS THAT WERE IN EACH CHAPTER THAT DIDN'T NEED TO BE THERE. RIGHT. THEY'RE ALWAYS LISTED IN CHAPTER ONE. SO ALAN HAD SUGGESTED LET'S GET TRUCK PARKING THROUGH AND THEN LET'S BRING BACK SOME OF THESE, THESE OTHER ONES. SO CHAPTERS ONE AND TWO, THE PRIMARY IDEAS BEHIND THE RED LINE THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET IS TAKING SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE FROM THE STATE MOTOR VEHICLE CODE. WE NEEDED TO ADOPT THEIR DEFINITIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE STAYING UP TO DATE. WE ADOPTED THOSE DEFINITIONS BY REFERENCE, AS WE'VE DONE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CODE. THAT WAY, WHEN THE STATE DEFINITIONS CHANGE, WHICH THEY DO JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR, WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND UPDATE LITTLE SECTIONS OF OF OURS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WHEN THE STATE UPDATES THEIRS. OURS KIND OF AUTOMATICALLY UPDATES BECAUSE WE REFERENCE THEIRS, AND IT JUST KIND OF HELPS US STAY IN COMPLIANCE. THERE'S JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY ENFORCEMENT THAT IS REFERENCED IN OUR OUR CITY CODE. SERGEANT VARGAS IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THAT. BUT I'VE TALKED TO HIM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF WHAT WE DO FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WHAT PROBLEMS THEY MIGHT HAVE. AND THEN FOR CHAPTER TWO FIXES, I THINK THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE YOU'RE LIKELY TO SEE SOME OF THE MOST EXCITING STUFF IN THERE. WE'RE GOING TO CUT OUT A FAIR BIT OF CODE HERE. 
          INTERFERENCE WITH SAFE OPERATION OF VEHICLE ESSENTIALLY COVERED IN STATE, NEGLIGENTLY COLLIDING, COVERED WITH THE STATE. ONE ARMED DRIVING WE DON'T NEED. OKAY, THE CODE RIGHT NOW SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T OPERATE A VEHICLE WITH YOUR ARM AROUND THE PERSON THAT'S NEXT TO YOU ON EITHER SIDE. SO I'M NOT SURE WHO'S SITTING BETWEEN THE DOOR AND THE DRIVER, BUT IT COULD IT COULD HAVE BEEN, WELL, PASSENGER. YEAH, I GUESS IT COULD HAVE BEEN. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PAUL HARVEY, YOU KNOW, LAWS THAT THAT WE JUST, WE DON'T NEED IN OUR CODE. OUR CODE REQUIRES A PARADE AND PROCESSION PERMIT. NOBODY 
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REQUESTS THOSE. WE HAVEN'T ISSUED ONE FOREVER. AND THEN THERE'S AN UNLAWFUL TRANSFER ON A ROADWAY. OKAY. HOLD ON. YES. UNDER PARADES. YES. SO IS IS ANY OF THIS FOUND ANYWHERE ELSE IN CODE? A LOT OF IT IS. YEAH, A LOT OF THIS IS IN FACT, I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS LAST ONE, UNLAWFUL TRANSFER ON A ROADWAY IS ESSENTIALLY AN ANTI-PANHANDLING STATUTE. AND I SPOKE WITH MR. ANDERSON ABOUT IT. AND THIS WAS A BIG PROBLEM OVER ON BINGHAM HIGHWAY OR NOT BEING BANGERTER HIGHWAY. WEST JORDAN WENT AHEAD AND ADOPTED THIS CODE. THE STATE FOLLOWED IT UP LIKE THE VERY NEXT YEAR, AND ADOPTED A STATEWIDE CODE THAT ESSENTIALLY DOES THE SAME THING AS THAT OUR CODE DID. SO A LOT OF THIS IS ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LINE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF IT'S ANYWHERE ELSE IN CODE IS 130. AND IF IT'S NOT, I'M GREAT WITH THAT. JOINED CANDY. YES I'M AFRAID. YEAH. LOOK, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME PERSONALLY, I WANT CANDY THROWN FROM PARADES AND FLOATS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A THAT'S A STAPLE. MY KIDS WOULD NOT GO TO THE PARADES WHEN THEY WERE LITTLE IF THERE WAS NO CANDY TO BE GAINED. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, I THINK THAT THAT'S A REQUISITE WE DIDN'T THROW CANDY AT THE PARADE. WE WOULDN'T HAVE. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO THROW CANDY. WE HAVE TO PASS IT OUT. IF WE GET RID OF THIS, WE CAN THROW IT. THROW IT. WE'RE NOT THROWING IT FROM THE VEHICLE. YEAH, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY STILL GOING TO ASK YOU NOT TO THROW CANDY. YEAH, YEAH. CAN WE TOSS I MEAN YEAH DELL'S NOT HERE. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WARREN FEELS. YEAH. OH YEAH. THE B IS GONE. THEN SOMEONE COULD THROW CANDY FROM A VEHICLE. IF YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO DELETE THAT LINE. NO, I LIKE IT DELETED. BUT I JUST KNOW THAT SOME IN THE CITY DON'T LIKE IT. SO I'VE BEEN IN TROUBLE BECAUSE OF THROWING CANDY. I'M HAPPY TO FIGHT THE CANDY HATERS FOR YOU. WHITELOCK DOES THAT AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY THOUGH. THAT'S JUST THAT'S NECESSARILY DURING PARADE, JUST DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AT RANDOM. 
          YEAH. AND I CAN'T TELL YOU THOUGH I, I SPOKE I JUST KNOW HOW RISK MANAGEMENT AND THESE GUYS. YEAH AT LEAST SOME OF THEM MAYBE, MAYBE WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS THIS IN IN SERIOUSNESS, IF RISK MANAGEMENT HAS CONCERNS WITH IT, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS INTERNALLY WITH STAFF AND ELECTED OFFICIALS TO SAY, HEY, IT'S A POLICY LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO THROW CANDY LIKE WITHIN THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY ELSE THAT DOES PARADES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY THAT THAT ARE CONDUCTED IN THE CITY. SO I HAVE A A FEE WAIVER THAT THEY WANT TO DO. A PARADE WILL BE ON RING ROAD. YEP. I REMEMBER THE. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'LL BE A CLOSED ROAD. YEAH. WILL THEY HAVE MOTOR VEHICLES ON ON THAT PARADE? I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY WERE DOING. THAT'S WHY WE SENT IT BACK UNTIL WE COULD KNOW EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE HAPPENING. I'M FINE WITH IT. DELETED. I JUST BECAUSE WE CALL IT OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOMETHING, WHAT CAN BE DONE IS WE CAN DELETE AND THEN LIKE, IT COULD BE PART OF OUR WEST JORDAN PARADE GUIDELINE LAWS. WE COULD WE COULD HAVE IT AS PART OF, AS PART OF THE THE USE OF THE PARK OR THINGS THAT ARE. AND THEN THERE'S A IF WE CLOSE DOWN ROADS, THERE'S A PERMIT FOR CLOSING DOWN ROADS. WE COULD HAVE IT AS PART OF AN AGREEMENT. SO WE CAN WE CAN STILL MAINTAIN IT. ALSO, I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CITE. I KNOW SERGEANT HUTCHINS IS HERE TO TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO SOME OF THE NUMBERS, BUT. WE DON'T WE DON'T ISSUE CITATIONS FOR IT GENERALLY. IT'S IT'S USUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE SAY GOES UNENFORCED. IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT IS ROUTINELY PENALIZED. BUT. THROWING CANDY REALLY GOT REAMED OUT. THAT'S WHY SHE MOVED. MAYBE I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION THAT IT MAY BE FOR THIS FINE GENTLEMAN HERE AND SAID, DO WE REALLY? I READ ALL THE JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRI&T THING. DO WE REALLY EVER GIVE TICKETS? BECAUSE THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, RIGHT? YES. AND TYPICALLY WE DON'T ISSUE ANY CITATIONS WITH INCIDENTS THAT OCCUR WITHIN THE PROPERTY SCHOOL DISTRICTS. IT'S BEEN THAT TEACHER GET MY SON. THE TEACHER DIDN'T GET A TICKET. YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WE HAVE IT IN OUR CODE THAT WE'RE NOT FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. YEAH. SO THE 
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THERE'S THERE'S A CODE THAT'S REFERENCED ON LINE 59 THAT ALLOWS US TO, WITH AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, ENFORCE TRAFFIC CODE ON SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY, WHICH WE HAVE HISTORICALLY HAD. SO IT'S MORE IF THEY REACH OUT AND WANT US TO DO SOMETHING. YEAH. 
          THERE'S TYPICAL SCENARIOS, MAYBE TO AFTER HOURS AT DUI A WHICH YOU CAN ENFORCE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY ANYWAY, RECKLESS DRIVING. BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN ENFORCE THAT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY ANYWAY. OKAY. DONUTS IN THE IN THE PARKING LOT. DONUTS IN THE PARKING LOT. YEAH. 
          THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE RECKLESS. IT KIND OF DEPENDS. DEPENDS ON HOW GOOD YOU ARE. IF THEY'RE PRACTICING DRIVING IN THE SNOW, THERE'S PARKING PERMIT RESTRICTIONS. I KNOW SERGEANT VARGAS AND I SPOKE ABOUT A LITTLE BIT. IT'S JUST THAT SOMETIMES THERE'S STUDENTS THAT PARK IN PARKING LOTS OR STALLS OR SOME ADULTS MIGHT PARK IN PRINCIPAL SPOT WHEN THEY KNOW THE PRINCIPAL'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE, AS LONG AS THEY'RE COMFORTABLE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET A CITATION. THEY MIGHT KEEP PARKING THERE ON A WILD SIDE. YEAH, I WOULD SAY WITH ME, CANDY, WE DON'T. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON ON THESE OR ANY COMMENTS. NO I THINK IT CLEARED UP A LOT. THERE'S THERE'S ONE KIND OF LAST THING THAT SERGEANT HUTCHINS AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO INCLUDE A PROHIBITION IN THE CODE FOR PARKING ON CITY STREETS WITH EXPIRED TAGS. CURRENTLY, SALT LAKE CITY HAS A RESTRICTION ON THAT THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PARK ON CITY STREETS. 
          IF THE REGISTRATION IS NOT CURRENT, IT'S A PROBLEM. AND SERGEANT HUTCHINS CAN CAN SPEAK TO KIND OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S HEARD AND BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT. BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T INCLUDE THAT. BUT WE WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL AND SEE IF IT WAS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO MOVE THOSE VEHICLES EVERY 72 HOURS, AND IN ORDER TO BE MOVING THAT VEHICLE, IT NEEDS TO BE LICENSED AND REGISTERED. YEAH, YEAH. SO THEY'RE NOT MOVING THEM IF THEY'RE EXPIRED. SO THEY'RE MOVING. YEAH. AGAIN, IF WE IF THAT CODE WAS IN THERE, WE COULD TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM AT THAT POINT INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THEM. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE IN THE CODE. SO CLARIFYING QUESTION IF YOU SEE CURRENTLY AS CODE IS WRITTEN, IF YOU SEE A CAR ON THE STREET THAT'S PARKED ON THE STREET WITH EXPIRED TAGS, YOU CANNOT WRITE A CITATION. NO ACTION. IT'S NOT ILLEGAL RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU COULD. YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT IT SHOULD BE LIKE A METER AND SEE IF IT MOVES. YOU DO GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS OR CITIZENS DRIVING BY MY NEIGHBOR DON'T MOVE THEIR CAR. IT'S EXPIRED. AND JUST SO WE GO OUT AND TAG IT FOR NOT MOVING FOR 72 HOURS, I THINK, PUT IT BACK IN THE DRIVEWAY EVERY OTHER DAY AND THEN PUT IT BACK ON THE STREET SO WE CAN HELP US ENFORCE THAT IF WE HAVE TO. I THINK I'D BE BETTER NOW. YEAH. ME TOO. AND A QUICK QUESTION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIES OTHER THAN SALT LAKE CITY THAT HAVE THAT IN THEIR CODE, WHEREAS SALT LAKE CITY, THE ONLY EXAMPLE NEARBY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I KNOW, I KNOW SALT LAKE CITY FOR SURE, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF SURROUNDING. THE OTHER ONE THAT I FOUND WAS SOUTH SALT LAKE. SOUTH SALT LAKE DOES AS WELL. SO YOU MIGHT IMAGINE THAT THAT SOUTH JORDAN WOULD AS WELL, BECAUSE OF THEIR NEWER DEVELOPMENTS AND THEIR STREET DESIGN THAT THEY HAVE OUT THERE FOR PARKING. YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE SALT LAKE CITY IN THE SOUTH. SOUTH. THIS IS SEVEN ONE AND SEVEN TWO. PARKING IS SEVEN THREE. YEAH. SO WE'D HAVE TO WE'D HAVE TO BRING IT BACK WITH ANOTHER REVISION THERE. MARY, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? YES. THE POLICE GET A LOT OF CALLS ON THIS. AND RESIDENTS GET UPSET WHEN POLICE TELL THEM THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT LAW DOES EXIST ALREADY. AND SO IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED YOU BACK FOR CHAPTER THREE. WE HAVE A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN. I THINK YOU GOT THUMBS UP. GOT IT. OKAY. YEAH. SOUNDS LIKE A THUMBS UP IN FRANCE. OKAY, OKAY. WHICH IS IN A WHOLE NOTHER DAY. YES. YEAH. YES, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. FANTASTIC. LISTEN IT AS IT GOES. YOUR SCORE ON ON THE TRAFFIC I THINK FOR WEST JORDAN ON THE ON THE DEGREES OF SEPARATION. I PUT TRAFFIC AT A THREE, THREE DEGREES OF SEPARATION BETWEEN WEST JORDAN AND FOOTLOOSE ON THIS. I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE ONE ARM DRIVING FOR ME. IT REALLY TAKING THAT PART. IS THAT NORTH? YEAH. THAT'S TERRIBLE. YEAH. THE ONE 
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ARM. THE ONE ARM DRIVING WON'T BE ANYMORE AFTER THIS. NOPE. TOBACCO SPECIALTY LICENSE IS 
          [c.
 Discussion on Proposed Amendments to Title 4, Chapter 2, Article T – Tobacco Specialty Business]
THE NEXT ITEM ON ON YOUR AGENDA. IT'S TO SEE. THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF OUR DISCUSSION ON THE BUSINESS LICENSING. WE'VE ADDRESSED QUITE A GOOD NUMBER OF THEM SO FAR. AND THEN TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING TWO MORE. YOU CAN SEE ARTICLE T FOR TOBACCO SPECIALTY LICENSE. AND THEN ARTICLE K OR ARTICLE K FOR KEVIN KEVIN BACON PUBLIC DANCES AND DANCE STUDIOS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT. THERE THERE SHOULD BE THE CITY CODE ADDRESSING TOBACCO SPECIALTY SHOPS HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2013. WAS WAS THE LAST REVISION THE THE VAPE YEAH. VAPE PRE PRE VAPE. BUT THE NO. THERE WAS VAPES BACK IN 2019. 
          SINCE THAT TIME THERE'S BEEN CHANGES THOUGH TO THE STATE CODE. AND SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY UP TO DATE AND AND THAT WE COVER EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE COVERED. PRIMARY AREA OF CONCERNS ON ON THIS ONE THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET YOU'LL SEE A RED LINE. THERE'S NOT A TON OF CHANGES. THERE WAS SORRY. THERE WERE SOME DEFINITION CHANGES. 
          THERE WERE SOME STYLISTIC CHANGES THAT WE BROUGHT IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH OUR CURRENT STYLE USAGE WITH OTHER CODE REVISIONS. THERE'S A PRETTY BIG CHUNK THAT WAS PUT IN THERE WITH MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLYING OR REQUIRING COMPLIANCE WITH STATE AND COUNTY HEALTH. REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE THERE. WE'VE REMOVED SOME REDUNDANCIES THAT ARE IN THE CODE THAT I JUST DIDN'T THINK HELPED AT ALL. AND THEN THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS THAT EXISTED UNDER STATE CODE THAT I DON'T THINK OURS ACCURATELY REFLECTED. SO WE'VE KIND OF CHOPPED UP A LITTLE BIT OF IT HERE, BUT OVERALL I DON'T FEEL LIKE TOO MUCH. IT'S REALLY, I THINK STREAMLINED IT AND TRIMMED IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT IS THE MAIN THING. AGAIN, YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE DEFINITIONS, WE'RE JUST ADOPTING THE DEFINITIONS FOUND IN STATE CODE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE OUR OWN CONTINUALLY UPDATE THEM. SO YOU'RE OUR RED LINE, RED LINE AND BLUE LINE I MEAN RIGHT BLUE LINES TO WE'VE GOT THOSE. BUT THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE MAIN THING. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE CHANGES. OVERALL, I THINK THE CITY DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF. MAKING SURE THAT THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE CLEAR. AND IF A BUSINESS IS COMING INTO THE CITY, THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW ALL OF THIS BY HEART ANYWAYS. THERE'S NOTHING REVOLUTIONARY OR OUTSIDE OF STATE OR COUNTY. 
          IT'S REALLY IN HERE. I THINK IT'S EASY TO READ. SO THANK YOU. WELL, I HOPE SO. YEAH, IT'S IT SHOULD BE EASY TO NAVIGATE. AND IT JUST AGAIN GIVES US A SPOT WHERE WE CAN POINT PEOPLE TO FOR A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF OUR REGULATIONS. SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AROUND THIS ONE WITH ALL THESE RED LINES ON THE DOCTOR? YEAH, YEAH, I'D BE AMPUTATING. ARE THERE, ARE THERE DO WE HAVE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE READY TO MOVE THIS ALONG. THERE YOU GO FOR OKAY. 
          MAKE IT FIVE FIVE ON ON THE SIX DEGREES OF FOOTLOOSE SEPARATION. HERE I GAVE THIS 1A6I FELT OR FIVE. I'M SORRY I BECAUSE KEVIN BACON WAS USING TOBACCO AND FOOTLOOSE. HE WAS WAY TOO YOUNG FOR THAT. WOULDN'T FLY UNDER THE ANGRY DANCE MODES. YEAH. I MEAN IT WAS WHAT THAT DID. IT WAS AN 80S MOVIE. SO THAT STUFF HAPPENED BACK THEN. YOU COULD YOU COULD. SO THIS IS THIS IS 
          [d.
 Discussion on Proposed Amendments to Title 7, Chapter 2, Article K – Public Dances and Dance Studios]
OUR LAST ONE. ITEM TWO D ON ON YOUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. THIS ONE IS I REMEMBER GOING THROUGH THIS WITH, WITH BROCK HUDSON AND BEING LIKE, WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THIS IN OUR CODE FOR. 
          WHAT IS THIS I DIDN'T KNOW, LIKE JUST WHAT'S JORDAN STILL HAVE LIKE BIG HOEDOWNS OR DANCES LIKE WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO I THINK IT'S JUST A CARRYOVER FROM, FROM MANY YEARS AGO. THERE'S, THERE'S NOBODY AT THE CITY THAT I CAN FIND THAT HAD REMEMBERED ISSUING ONE OF THESE BUSINESS LICENSES IN THE PAST. AND SO I THINK IT'S IT'S TIME THAT WE GET RID OF IT. SO 
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THE RECOMMENDATION IS, IS JUST THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO REGULATE. THERE'S DISCUSSION OF LIKE BATHROOM FACILITIES, NO REENTRY WITHOUT A TICKET. LIKE YOU CAN'T STAMP YOUR HAND AGAIN UNDER 16. YEAH. WITHOUT AN ADULT. YEAH. WHICH DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PARENT OR GUARDIAN. IT'S JUST IF YOU'VE GOT AN OLDER SIBLING THAT TAKES YOU TO THE DANCE WITH YOU, YOU CAN BE 14. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S IT'S PERFECTLY WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN. PERFECTLY. OKAY. WELL, AS WE SAW IN FOOTLOOSE A LOT, IT TURNED THE CITY ON ITS HEAD. 
          I MEAN. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES. IF I REMEMBER BACK IN THE 90S, I. YEAH, THERE WAS THIS COOL PLACE DOWNTOWN CALLED THE BAY. YEAH, YEAH, BUILDINGS STILL THERE. I THINK IT'S FOR SALE. RESTAURANT. OH, IS IT, IF YOU WANTED TO OPEN A IS THAT A DANCE CLUB OR WOULD THAT BE COVERED UNDER NIGHTCLUBS AND CONCERTS? NIGHTCLUBS AND ALREADT DEPENDS ON WHETHER ALCOHOL LICENSE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE FOR ALREADY COVERED UNDER OTHER ALREADY COVERED UNDER OTHER SECTIONS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF I WANTED TO BRING THE BAY BACK. THERE WAS A LOT MORE THAN THE BAY. THERE WAS A LOT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LEAVING SOMETHING. I THOUGHT YOU WERE DJ. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE THAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WANT TO REGULATE THOSE KINDS OF BUSINESSES ESPECIALLY. I'M JUST HOPING THAT THEY'RE STILL ALLOWED SOMEWHERE. WELL, WHEN CENTER'S DEVELOPED ACROSS THE STREET, I HOPE THERE'S MANY SUCH FINE INSTRUMENTS NEXT TO A STEAKHOUSE, PREFERABLY. YEP, YEP. ALL RIGHT. AND WE WE LIKE JUST GETTING RID OF THIS COMPLETELY. I GOT FOUR THAT AGREE WITH THAT. THAT SEEMS TO BE A UNANIMOUS. SO LET'S CHECK OUT THE RATING. ANY GUESSES SIX SEVEN NO DEGREES OF SEPARATION SIX IS IS THE FURTHEST OH ONE THEN ONE YEAH YEAH YEAH. NO THIS IS THIS IS FOOTLOOSE TO A T RIGHT? I MEAN YEAH. PEOPLE DON'T LIKE DANCES. THEY WANT TO CRACK DOWN ON THE KIDS. I FEEL LIKE THIS WAS 100% THAT SITUATION. SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BRICK THROUGH YOUR WINDOW NOW, I MIGHT, I MIGHT, I WOULD LISTEN THIS WEEK'S BEEN LIKE THAT. SO YEAH YOU NEVER KNOW. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO I WAS I WAS IN A MOVIE WITH KIEFER SUTHERLAND THOUGH. SO I'VE GOT ONE DEGREE OF SEPARATION WITH KEVIN. VERY CLOSE, VERY CLOSE. IN A FEW MINUTES. THAT MEANS I HAVE TWO BECAUSE I KNOW YOU. OH. WELL, THEN THERE YOU GO. ALL OF YOU ARE TWO. TWO AWAY FROM. I THINK WE NEED TO DO A THING OF FAKING AN ACTUAL FOOD. HOW MANY DEGREES OF DIFFERENT FOODS AWAY FROM VEGAN? NOW, THAT'S OUR NEXT. ALL RIGHT, MR. BOYCE, WE APPRECIATE. THANK YOU. YOUR TRIP DOWN MEMORY ROAD. WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 
          [e.
 Introduction of Economic Development Director]
TWO E. AND THAT IS WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE INTRODUCED TO OUR NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR JAMES. BUT HE LIKES TO GO BY JIM GROVER. MAYOR. HE'S IN TROUBLE. HE SAID HE LIKES TO BE CALLED JAMES. IF HE'S IN TROUBLE. THAT'S WHEN I'M ROBERT. WHEN I HEAR ROBERT, I KNOW I NEED TO LEAVE QUICK. I CONVINCED YOU SAID HE LIKES THAT. I PROBABLY WAS A DIFFERENT CONTEXT. HOW DID YOU SAY THAT? YOU LIKE IT? WELL, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHY I'M IN TROUBLE. YES, BUT, I MEAN, SO IT MEANS IT'S SERIOUS. SO, COUNCIL, I WANT TO INTRODUCE YOU TO JIM GROVER. JIM GROVER, WHEN I FIRST MET HIM. WELL, WHEN I WAS REINTRODUCED TO HIM, IT WAS WHILE WE WERE AT THE LOCAL OFFICIALS DAY, AND WE WERE IN THE SALT PALACE, AND I WAS THERE HANGING OUT WITH A BUNCH OF YOUTH COUNCIL, AND HE WAS THERE HANGING OUT WITH HIS YOUTH COUNCIL, AND HIS CITY MANAGER BROUGHT ME IN AND SAID, I HEAR YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. AND HE BROUGHT ME JIM. AND SO WE HAD A NICE CONVERSATION. 
          AFTER OUR CONVERSATION, I ASKED HIM TO SIT DOWN FOR HIS APPLICATION, WHICH HE WAITED AT LEAST 30 MINUTES BEFORE HE SAID THAT OVER. WELL, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEEM TOO EAGER. POLISH IT UP. 
          RIGHT? SO HE WAS EXCITED AND I WAS EXCITED. AND THEN I GOT CONTACTED BY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. I MEAN, CONNECTICUT'S ONE OF THEM, WASATCH FRONT REGIONAL COUNCIL, AND THERE WAS SOMEBODY ELSE WHO CONTACTED ME AND SAID, HEY, I HEAR YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. YOU WANT TO LOOK AT JIM? SO I LOOKED AT HIM AND HERE HE IS. I WANT YOU TO MEET JIM, ASK HIM THE HARD QUESTIONS. HAVE YOU LOOKED ACROSS THE STREET AND ASK HIM THE HARD QUESTIONS? THE EASY QUESTIONS. AND I SEE WHAT HIS FAMILY AND I HAVEN'T EVEN MET HIS FAMILY, SO THIS IS GREAT. I'D BE HAPPY TO INTRODUCE. YES. SO THIS IS GROVER. GOOD TO MEET YOU. HI. THIS IS MY YOUNGEST. THIS IS EMMELINE. SHE'S 12. SHE SINGS AND DANCES AND HUGS AND YOU SHOW US. SHE PROBABLY COULD HAVE A STAGE RIGHT HERE. THIS 
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IS. THIS IS JULIANA. NOW, THERE'S ONE IN THE MIDDLE HERE. HE'S A TRACK PRACTICE. AND YOU WANT HIM AT TRACK PRACTICE BECAUSE HE'D BE RUNNING AROUND THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S HOW YOU KEEP TRACK. WE KEEP TRACK OF THEM? YES. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF THOSE, I KNOW. 
          YES. WELL, WELL, WE HAVEN'T PASSED IT YET. YEAH, IT WILL BE SOON. I WILL SAY THAT I HAD A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE REACH OUT TO ME IN TEXT LONG BEFORE WE EVEN HEARD IT FROM THE CITY, TELLING ME THAT HIS GOOD FRIEND JIM GROVER HAD BEEN GIVEN THIS JOB, AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT'S ODD. I HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD THIS YET FROM ANYONE IN THE CITY YET, SO I DID AS WELL. 
          OH, SO APPARENTLY YOU'RE FRIENDS WITH EVERYBODY. WE'VE REALLY CONNECTED CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, SO DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT. I WILL POINT OUT. SO COUNCILMEMBER SHELDON AND I MET WITH JIM LAST FRIDAY AND AND ONE THING THAT I DON'T THINK IT WAS A HUGE ISSUE, BUT SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ AND I DID TALK ABOUT WAS HIS POSITION WITHIN WEST VALLEY. I MEAN, NOT WEST VALLEY. I WAS THE W THROUGH ME AND I WENT OFF ON IT. I JUST WENT WITH THE FIRST WORD THAT CAME TO MY MIND WITH WOODS CROSS AND THE CITY COUNCIL THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICK TO THE REST OF THE ROOM. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU. I CONSIDER THAT TO BE A STRENGTH. SO, YES. JIM GROVER, IT'S A PLEASURE TO VISIT WITH YOU. I'VE BEEN IN STATE GOVERNMENT FOR 18 YEARS. IF YOU KIND OF THINK OF IT A THIRD, A THIRD, A THIRD. I'VE BEEN DOING PLANNING AND BUDGET, THEN BUDGET ADMINISTRATION AND PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION. SO A LOT OF THE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THAT YOU'RE SEEKING TO DO WITH HRHS. WELL, I WAS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE FOR FIVE DIFFERENT EVENTS FROM FARMINGTON ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LEHIGH. SO I'VE SEEN WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD. I ALSO HAD A LOT OF DEAL FLOW KIND OF INVESTMENT IN THE STATE, SO I DEFINITELY KNOW WHEN TO GRAB ON TO SOMETHING AND WHEN TO LET GO. ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING THINGS TO DO IS IN PUBLIC SERVICE. 
          I'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE A PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOR FOUR YEARS. I'VE RAN NOW TWICE AT WOODS CROSS CITY, AND SO WHEN YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, FIRST TIME, YOU KNOW, BECOMING A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, WHICH I WAS GRATEFUL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE. AND THEN I WAS APPOINTED LAST YEAR AND THEN WON REELECTION. SO VERY, VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST, I MEAN, I WANT TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT WEST JORDAN HERE, YOU DEFINITELY ARE IN MY HEART, MY MIND. YOU ARE MY, MY, MY FIRST SAY REQUIRED PIECE OF WHEN I, WHEN I'M WHEN I'M LOOKING AT DOING ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, WHEN I TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S CROSS. WE'RE TWO MILES BY TWO MILES. WE'RE 14,000 PEOPLE RESIDENTS. AND THAT'S INCLUDING LIKE THE LITTLE KIDS THAT WE HAVE THERE. RIGHT. AND IF THERE WERE TO BE A VENN DIAGRAM, THERE'S A THERE'S AN AIRPORT. AND THAT TOO IS VERY SMALL. SO WHEN I THINK OF ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES HERE, WEST JORDAN, YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH I DON'T EVEN NECESSARILY SEE THERE BEING A, SAY, A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AND JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW YOUR FIRST AND FOREMOST. YOU HAVE A GREAT CITY MANAGER. HE'S A GREAT CITY MANAGER ISN'T HE. YEAH. WHEN YOU SEE IRAN. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE YOU APPOINTED? I WAS APPOINTED SO FOUR YEARS AGO I DID NOT WIN. AND THEN I HAD FOUR YEARS OF WHERE I WAS A PLANNER. AND THEN I WAS APPOINTED A YEAR AGO, SERVED OUT THE REST OF THAT TERM FOR NINE MONTHS AND THEN RERAN. AND NOW I'M IN A FOUR YEAR TERM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT ALL, THE CITY COUNCIL. AND I'M ON THE CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT. OKAY. SO NOW I WANT TO SEE. YEAH. THEN I WANT A CITY COUNCIL POSITION FOR FOUR YEARS. SO WOODCROSS IS PRETTY BUILT OUT THOUGH. WOODS CROSS HAS ONE LARGE PROPERTY OWNER WHICH IS LIKELY TO NOT LET GO OF THEIR PROPERTY ANYTIME SOON, AND IT'S 99.8% BUILT OUT AT THAT POINT EIGHT OR THAT THAT POINT TWO, THAT ROUNDING ERRORS, CITY OWNED PROPERTY. I KNOW THE COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON. I GAVE YOU SOME SOME IDEAS OF THINGS, BUT WHERE ARE YOU SEEING. YOU KNOW, YOUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS AS YOU TRY TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING? WELL, I'VE DEFINITELY BEEN TRACKING LEGISLATION OVER THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT ENDED. BUT LET'S SEE, I THINK IT'S HOUSE BILL 507, WHICH BASICALLY SUNSETS THE CARES PROGRAM JANUARY 1ST, 2027, WHICH WAS NICE. I THINK THEY PUSHED IT OUT ONE MORE YEAR. SO THIS OPPORTUNITY, NOT ONLY THIS STATION BUT ALSO THE NEXT 
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STATION. I BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW SOUTH SALT LAKE. THEY ENDED UP DOING TWO TRACK STATIONS IN ONE. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT AS WELL. I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO GET A TWOFER? AND SO I REALIZED THAT CLOCK IS TICKING ON THAT ONE. THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I'M ALSO VERY EXCITED TO SEE IS UTAH IS COMING FORWARD IN ADVANCED AVIATION. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WE DEFINITELY HAVE SEEN SEVERAL MANUFACTURERS FLY IN, SHOW OFF THEIR THEIR WONDERFUL VEHICLES AND THEN FLY OUT. THEY BRING THEIR OWN CHARGER NETWORK WITH THEM AND BASICALLY HAVE A SEMI TRUCK. WE NEED TO ELECTRIFY THESE AIRPORTS, AND I REALLY LOVE TO SEE OUR SOUTH JORDAN AIRPORT BE ONE OF THOSE. YEAH. COULD YOU IMAGINE? SORRY, WEST JORDAN SORRY, SORRY. VALLEY AIRPORT TO BE ABLE TO TO BE ABLE TO TO BE ELECTRIFIED AND TO BE ABLE TO HOST THESE. AND IT'D BE EVEN BETTER IF WE WERE MANUFACTURING THOSE HERE AS WELL. ALSO SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. HUGE DEAL. THERE'S SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE THERE. WE'RE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO TO PARTNER WITH THE MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE BASICALLY LOOKING TO PUT IN HIGH CAPITAL AND ALSO CREATE JOB CENTERS. THAT'S A BIG THING, TOO. WE RECOGNIZE OTHER GROWING CITIES THAT HAVE A LOT OF ROOFTOPS. THEIR POPULATION LEAVES BACK TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT STAYS HERE IN WEST JORDAN AND NOT NECESSARILY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO LEAVE HIGH PAYING JOBS. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN ALL ABOUT MY CAREER. I'M SURE KENT PUT YOU THROUGH THE JIM BRAINERD THIRD DEGREE ABOUT MAYOR BRAINERD. YEP, YEP. WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS? HAVE YOU GONE BACK AND SEEN THE OR WATCHED THE MEETING OR LISTEN TO THE MEETING, THE PRESENTATION THAT HE GAVE TWO WEEKS AGO? THOUGHTS ON WE. I STILL AM LIKE WALKING THROUGH. I DID GO THROUGH THE TWO DAY PLANNING SESSION, THE STRATEGIC MEETING THAT WAS IN JANUARY. I'M STILL KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WALKING THROUGH LIKE THE RETREAT, THE RETREAT, I LEARNED. YEAH. I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE TWO DAY RETREAT, THE IDEA GENERATION THAT'S COMING FROM THAT. I'M STILL YEAH, I'M STILL DIGESTING. I DIDN'T ACTUALLY DISCUSS MR. BRAINERD'S IDEAS WITH HIM AS MUCH AS I WANTED TO. KAMAL. KAMAL. WE WE RECOGNIZE, RIGHT, THAT MOBILITY. KAMAL IS DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, HAD A LOT OF MOBILITY SOLUTIONS AND IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE THAT. AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS HOW DO YOU ATTRACT THOSE, THOSE HIGH GROWTH LIKE HIGH PAYING JOB AREAS. AND SO I I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. THE BIGGEST THING THAT I GOT OUT OF HIS CONVERSATION, AND I'VE BEEN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STAFF FOR FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS NOW. AND THE BIGGEST THING THAT I GOT OUT OF THE CONVERSATION FROM JIM BRAINERD WAS THE PHRASE THAT KEEPS POPPING UP IS PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AND GETTING TO FACILITATE INVESTMENT AND GET THE BALL ROLLING. WE CAN WAIT ANOTHER COUPLE DECADES FOR THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, AND WAIT FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO COME ALONG AND DO IT RIGHT. BUT IF WE IF WE CAN GET PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS PUT TOGETHER, PERCHANCE THAT WOULD BE PERFECT. YES, PERFECT. PETER PIPER. YES. 
          FOR SURE. AMAZING. I BLOW MY MIND. I AGREE WITH THAT. THERE'S THERE'S POTENTIAL TO DO LAND TRADES AND DEALS LIKE THAT. I'M WONDERING TO MAYBE THERE'S A LOT OF SUNK COST OVER THERE, BUT THE GROWTH OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS NOT HERE ON THE EAST SIDE. AND LOGISTICALLY, THEY'RE SENDING A LOT OF TRUCKS OUT TO THE GROWTH AREAS IN THE WEST. THERE'S PROBABLY MORE EFFICIENCY TO HAVE THIS IN ANOTHER LOCATION TO PRETEND, I DON'T KNOW, I BET THEY PROBABLY KNOW THAT THERE'S NO SUNK COST. LET'S IT'S A BLANK SLATE AND START I, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          THERE'S THERE'S BEEN SOME AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE IT WHEN THEY FORM THEIR OWN DISTRICT BECAUSE THAT'S. YEAH. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I, I MENTIONED TO OTHERS IS, IS WE GET TOO HUNG UP ON WE GET STUCK FROM GETTING A GOOD VISION IN PLACE BECAUSE WE GET STUCK ON. WELL, HOW WOULD WE EVEN GET THERE BEFORE WE EVEN GET THE VISION IN PLACE? WE GET STUCK ON. BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LA FRONTERA RESTAURANT. WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH THEM? YOU KNOW, OR OR OR THERE'S A SCHOOL DISTRICT OR WHATEVER. WE GET STUCK. WE GET STUCK BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO WHAT THE VISION IS. 
          WE GET STUCK ON SOMETHING IN BETWEEN, LIKE THERE'S A TRAILER PARK. WE DON'T WANT TO DISPLACE THE TRAILER PARK. WHAT DO WE DO? ACTUALLY, WE KIND OF DO WANT TO DISPLACE THE TRAILER PARK. 
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MAYBE NOT THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE NOW, BUT THE ONES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE IN 15 OR 20 YEARS, WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW. SO. YEAH, THE GRAND VISION, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, WORKING TOWARD SOMETHING, SOMETHING A STATEMENT. I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND I'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, ALL UP AND DOWN THE WASATCH FRONT. 
          AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE. I POPPED INTO TWO OF OGDEN CITY'S OPEN HOUSES WHERE REALLY THEY ARE JUST, HEY, HERE'S VISION, AND THEY'RE BRINGING ALONG THE PUBLIC. AND I THINK THAT ALSO MEANS A LOT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE ABLE TO SAY, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY ULTIMATELY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE WHAT THEIR NEXT GENERATION. I MEAN, WHAT IS THIS LOOK LIKE FOR THEM? IT WILL BE VERY EXCITING TO ENGAGE WITH THEM IN A VERY MEANINGFUL WAY, TO BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS NICE, BUT LOOK WHAT ELSE WE CAN HAVE HERE. YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO KEEP YOU HERE, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT THIS EXACT LOCATION BECAUSE THERE'S A BETTER AND HIGHER USE. THEY COULD BE EXCITED FOR. STRUCTURED PARKING AND STRUCTURE PARKING AND MULTI MULTI MULTI MULTI TRANSPORTATION MODE. MULTIMODAL. 
          MULTIMODAL. YES. THAT WORD THOSE THOSE ON THAT IT WAS A P WORD YOU WOULD HAVE HAD RIGHT. 
          YES. WORDS ARE OUR FULL TIME MODAL WORD MASTER PLAN. I MEAN I THINK WE CAN ALL SAY WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED. THANK YOU. NOT THAT WE DIDN'T LOVE OUR PAST, BUT I LOVE THAT I WAS, AS I INTRODUCED MY MYSELF KIND OF FORMALLY TO THE MAYOR, I SAID, YOU KNOW, I AM THE, THE GRANDSON OF A OF A BEAT FARMER, SUGAR BEET FARMER, 6200 SOUTH AND REDWOOD ROAD. FAMILY WOULD GATHER THE BEATS, BRING THEM UP HERE. THIS IS LIKE COMING HOME. I DEFINITELY LOVE THE STAFF. IT IS A VERY HIGH QUALITY GROUP AND IN SO MANY WAYS, WEST JORDAN'S JUST A GREAT PLACE TO TO WORK AND WE DEFINITELY MAKE IT A BEST PLACE TO DO BUSINESS. CAN YOU TELL YOUR KIDS YOU'RE MOVING HERE? WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, LINDY? IT'S A GOOD HOUSE. YOU COULD TELL SHE'S NOT REALLY ON THE FENCE THERE. GOT SEVERAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STICK AROUND FOR DINNER IN A LITTLE WHILE. THANK YOU. MINDY. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR FAMILY COMING 
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 Discussion on Jones Southwest Quadrant – 7382 West New Bingham Highway – Approximately 849 Acres]
OUT. THAT ALWAYS HELPS. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL ITEM ON THIS. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSION ON THE JONES SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN IN SMALL GROUPS MET WITH PEOPLE REGARDING QUADRANT AND WHAT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO ALL COME TOGETHER AND KIND OF JUST HAVE A INFORMATION DUMP OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT IN OUR SESSIONS AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANY THING KIND OF DIFFERENT OR THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT OR, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T ASK ABOUT, BUT SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT HAVE ASKED ABOUT IN THEIR SESSION. THIS GOOD LEAD. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S ON THE SCHEDULE I'M LOOKING FOR. ONE OF OUR EXTRA DAYS IS MARCH 31ST, AND LOOKING TO HOLDING A MEETING AT 6 P.M. ON THAT TIME, WHICH WOULD BE DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. SO THIS MEETING TODAY THEN, IS BASICALLY JUST FOR US TO KIND OF COME TOGETHER AND WHAT WE HAD IN OUR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT WAS THERE AND START TO REALLY. GET A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO HOLD A LITTLE FAST AND TRUE TO WHERE WE DO SEE SOME WIGGLE ROOM, POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, AND WHAT OUR THOUGHTS WERE OF THE MEETINGS WE HAD. SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO JUST START AND TALK WITH THE MEETINGS THAT THEY HAD WITHIN THE GROUP. THERE WERE LITTLE SLIGHT CHANGES THAT THEY MADE IN THE LAST. THE LAST THING THEY PRESENTED TO US. I DON'T KNOW, ALAN, DO WE HAVE THAT PERCHANCE THE USING A P WORD POWERPOINT? THE LAST, THE LAST ONE JUST SO WE CAN WE HAVE THE POWERPOINT. 
          YEP. PLEASE. THAT WAY. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S THE LATEST ONE THAT I BELIEVE THEY GAVE US THEIR. ANY THOUGHTS FROM ANY OF THE MEETINGS THAT ANY OF YOU HAD DURING THAT TIME? I. I AGREE WITH MR. GROVER. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE A JOB CENTER. SO. I YEAH, I JUST 
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REALLY NEED IT TO BE A JOB CENTER AND NOT RESIDENT BECAUSE THERE'S A THERE'S SOME AREAS FOR THAT THAT ARE GREAT FOR RESIDENTIAL. BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE MR. GROVER HAVE TIME TO GO OVER IT. REALLY COME BACK TO US AND GIVE US HIS THOUGHTS AS WELL. AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, THERE WAS A NUMBER HERE. AND THEN THERE WAS A NUMBER IN THE IN THE WRITTEN PART, AND IT SAID SOMETHING THERE THAT'S NOT THE SAME. I GUESS FOR ME, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I FEEL WERE STILL NOT. ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD AS, AS, AS GARDNER AND I AGREE. AND I REALLY WANT THOSE LOCKED DOWN SO THAT WE KNOW THAT IT WILL BE A JOB CENTER AND WILL BE A NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I OH, GO AHEAD AND ADD, YOU CAN GO AHEAD. YEAH. THANKS. ARE YOU. SO KAITLYN AND I WERE IN THE SAME LIKE LITTLE MINI CALL TOGETHER. AND I'M TRYING TO REMIND MYSELF IS YOUR YOUR CONCERN IS MORE FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT'S LISTED AND LESS FOR THE LIKE CHUNKS OF LAND AND HOW THEY'RE COLORED IN THIS BUBBLE MAP. LIKE YOU'RE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE X THOUSAND OF UNITS THAN YOU ARE. THAT SO? SO MUCH OF THE BUBBLE MAP IS THIS DARKER PURPLE. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHERE OUR CONVERSATION WENT IN OUR LITTLE MINI MEETING. YEAH, IT'S JUST I SO MUCH OF IT IS PURPLE THAT IT COULD SWITCH TO HOUSING. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO LOCK DOWN THAT IT CAN'T I, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IN FIVE YEARS THAT WELL, WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ATTRACT ANYONE. SO. AND THE GOVERNOR WANTS THIS KIND OF HOUSING TODAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS INSTEAD. AND SO THAT'S WHY TO ME, I JUST I WANT IT. AND MY CONCERN WITH WEST JORDAN IS WE'VE ENTITLED SO MANY ACRES WITHIN THE LAST EVEN SIX YEARS. AND SO PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT, PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL. AND THIS WAS PRESERVED FOR JOB CENTER. AND I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE HOWEVER WE PUT THIS TOGETHER, THAT IT IT IS STILL PRESERVED AS A JOB CENTER. I THINK THE THING I GOT MOST OF THE MEETING AND WHAT I FINALLY TALKED TO THEM ABOUT WAS IN ALMOST EVERY TIME THEY TALK TO US, THE IDEA FOR ME IS THEY'RE COMING TO SELL US ON WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO. AND ALL I EVER HEAR IS RESIDENTIAL. 
          THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO RESIDENTIAL. AND SO I LET THEM KNOW THAT I DON'T NEED TO BE SOLD ON RESIDENTIAL. I, I KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I KNOW I SAID, BUT NONE OF THAT IS WHAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART FOR US. AND WE NEED YOU TO TELL US WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON WITH THE WITH THE REST OF IT AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR CITY, BECAUSE THAT TO ME, YOU LOOK AT IVORY. IVORY ONLY KNOWS RESIDENTIAL. THEY DON'T GO OUTSIDE OF THAT. AND I KEEP HEARING MORE ABOUT IVORY THAN WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE GARDINER SIDE IS LOOKING TO DO. AND YEAH, I GET A LITTLE WORRIED THAT IT'S REALLY LOOKED UPON AS A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL POTENTIAL HERE. AND I THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS WAS ALL PUT ACROSS FOR. SO I WAS HOPING IN THAT LAST MEETING TO GET A LITTLE MORE. A LITTLE MORE SOLD ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE NON. YOU KNOW WITH THE NON RESIDENTIAL STUFF AND THAT I, I FELT DIDN'T GET FOR ME I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR HARDLY ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE OTHER GROUPS CAME AWAY IF THEY HEARD ANYTHING. I HATE TO BE A BROKEN RECORD ON THIS, BUT WHAT IS HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING? YEAH, I MEAN YEAH, I CAN, I CAN KEEP I CAN KEEP ASKING THE QUESTION AND YOU CAN KEEP NOT GIVING ME ANSWERS. BUT I STILL DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO WHAT HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING IS. AND IF THIS JUST SAYS IT APPLIES TO APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF TITLE 13 AND 14 OF THE LEICESTER CITY CODE, WHERE HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING IS NOT DEFINED AND THERE ARE NOT, THERE'S NOT A USE TABLE SPECIFICALLY FOR HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING THAT'S ANY DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER INDUSTRIAL OR MANUFACTURING ZONE. I THINK IT'S I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, ISN'T IT? WELL, IT'S UP TO YEAH. 
          FOR STAFF WE CAN WELL THE CITY IF, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO AND THIS IS NOT A BAD IDEA. WE'VE, WE'VE DONE STUFF LIKE THIS BEFORE FOR SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS, ESPECIALLY ON A 
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SCALE LIKE THIS IS GO IN AND CREATE A USE TABLE, CREATE A ZONE, CREATE SOMETHING SO THAT WE HAVE THAT IN CODE. RIGHT. I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WOULD COME UP IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WELL, IF THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IT'S NOT THERE. SO IF WE NEED TO PUT IT IN CODE THEN LET'S PUT IT IN CODE AND LET'S DO THAT AS A COUNCIL AND PUT THAT IN CODE. SO THAT IT'S NOT SO THAT HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING IS NOT M1. I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WHITE THAT WE NEED TO GIVE MR. GROVER SOME TIME TO REVIEW THIS. YEAH. AND COME BACK UNLESS YOU'RE READY. NOW I WOULD GIVE YOU ONE SESSION, ONE THOUGHT PROCESS. NO, NO THAT'S GOOD. AND THAT'S WE WILL HAVE THAT 31ST I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD TIME. MAYBE YOU'RE READY BY THEN. BUT I'LL ALSO SAY WE COULD MAKE THIS WHOLE THING MANUFACTURING. AND THEN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN NONE OF US ARE HERE, THEY COULD STILL ASK TO CHANGE IT. YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE IT NOW. WELL, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO CHANGE. IT ALWAYS HAS TO CHANGE IT UNTIL IT'S BUILT. AND EVEN THEN YOU CAN ASK TO CHANGE. SO WE COULD, WE CAN MAKE THIS WHOLE THING GREEN WITH JUST PARKS TODAY TO COME BACK TO CHANGE IT. I'M NOT I'M NOT AS CONCERNED AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTIAL WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL IS GOING, BECAUSE IT'S CAPPED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE NUMBER OF ACRES. 
          SO IF AS LONG AS THAT'S KEPT, I DON'T I'M NOT AS TIGHT AS TO WHETHER IT'S 15 UNITS OR 30 UNITS THERE OR 100 UNITS HERE AND TEN UNITS THERE OR WHATEVER, I'M WILLING TO LET THEM COME TO US WITH SPECIFIC VILLAGE PLANS OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL THAT AND, AND DO THAT AS IT COMES UP. BUT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO CAP IT IN THE OVERALL THING, AND IT'S NOT THE ONLY WAY IT COULD GO ALL RESIDENTIAL IS IF IT WAS REALLY LOW DENSITY. IF PEOPLE DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. SO. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER, WE AT LEAST TRIED TO PUT A CAP ON IT OR, YOU KNOW, LOOKING TO DO THAT. BUT EVEN THAT BECAME A LITTLE BIT IN QUESTION WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WAS SAID THE, YOU KNOW, THE BATTERY PARK COULD GO AWAY AND THEN THAT BECOMES HOMES. OR DID THEY IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE 3900 WHAT CHAD SAID THAT WOULD BE COMING BACK AND SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT, RIGHT. AND THAT COULD BE 30 YEARS FROM NOW. SO IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COUNCIL. DEFINITELY. IT MIGHT BE. MIGHT BE. 20TH TERM. DO WE WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME TONIGHT AND MAYBE WITH SOME OF THE CITY STAFF AND START TO REALLY NAIL DOWN WHAT WOULD BE OUR HIGH TECH? I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DOES THIS NEED TO BE APPROVED ASAP SO THEY CAN START DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO? I MEAN, REALITY IS THEY'RE NOT. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED TODAY, RIGHT? NO, BUT THAT'S BUT THEY DO WANT TO GET STARTED AND THEY ARE PUSHING WHICH BECOMES THE THE WEIRD THING. THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT AND WE WANT TO GET IT RIGHT. AND THEY WANT TO GET IT FAST. AND WE NEED TO COME IN THE MIDDLE AND GET IT QUICK AND RIGHT. YES, SURE. IF I IF I MAY, FOR THE COUNCIL TONIGHT, YOU DO HAVE GREG DAVENPORT WITH UTILITIES HERE. YOU DO HAVE SOME SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT CAN HELP ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE FROM THE SMALL GROUP MEETING. SO THAT MAY BE AN OPTION YOU HAVE FOR THIS EVENING. AND THAT'S EXACTLY THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON. THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF LOOKING FOR, IS THAT WE CAN SPEND THIS NEXT HALF HOUR OR SO REALLY DRILLING DOWN SOME THINGS. FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WHEN IT COMES TO WATER, WHICH WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT, IT WAS A THING OF ONLY ABOUT HALF THE UNITS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. WE HAVE WATER SET ASIDE FOR. 
          AND THE ANSWER WAS, WELL, WE'LL GO GET MORE WATER. WE'LL GO ASK AND GET MORE WATER. AND IT SEEMED TO BE A VERY EASY THING FOR THEM TO DO. BUT AND THAT SEEMS TO BE YOUR ASSESSMENT AS WELL. HONESTLY, IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THEY GO GET THE WATER RIGHT. I CERTAINLY CAN'T ANSWER HOW EASY IT'LL BE TO GET WATER IN TEN YEARS OR TEN YEARS. I DON'T REALLY KNOW. BUT IF THEY WERE TO GO FIND WATER TODAY, THEY COULD WORK WITH JORDAN VALLEY AND OTHERS TODAY. SO REALLY ON THAT. IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT, THEN IT GOES TO THEM BECAUSE IF THE WATER'S NOT AVAILABLE, WE'LL PUT SOMETHING IN THE NDA THAT SAYS NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE AGAIN, BUILD SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE SO WE WOULDN'T BE ON, WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO GIVE THEM MORE WATER THAN WE COULD GIVE THEM AFTER THAT. IF THEY DON'T GIVE US WATER, THEY'RE NOT CUL DE SAC. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT FOR MY COMMUNITY COLLEGE. RIGHT? THEY DIDN'T BUILD THE HOUSES, DON'T HAVE THE WATER, DON'T DO THAT. SO I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S A LOW PERSONALLY I WOULD 
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THINK IT WOULD BE A BONUS AS LONG AS THE NDA WAS CORRECT AND IT KEPT THE CITY AT ONE. JORDAN VALLEY WAS WILLING TO GIVE US. I DON'T THINK AT THIS TIME IF I WAS YOU, I WOULD NOT OFFER TO GIVE THEM MORE WATER THAN JORDAN VALLEY IS GOING TO GIVE US. AND WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? IT'S 1.35 ACRE FEET PER ACRE, WHICH I THINK COMES CLOSE TO THEIR 2000. FOR US RIGHT NOW. 
          AND AGAIN, WE COULD ALSO WE COULD BE FLEXIBLE IN THAT. RIGHT IN OUR AGREEMENT. WE MAY NOT PUT IN THE JORDAN VALLEY IS GOING TO PROVIDE MAYBE JUST IN JORDAN ALLOWANCE OR IN THIS AREA, WHICH TEN YEARS MAY BE MORE WATER THAN THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US MORE. IT MAY BE BEST FOR BOTH OF US. RIGHT. BUT I THINK THAT WE COULD BE FLEXIBLE IN THAT. SO THAT YOU'RE NOT PUTTING A NUMBER DOWN. THAT MAY CHANGE LATER ON. THAT MAY GIVE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATE'S GOING TO DO, BUT 20 YEARS IS A LONG TIME AND THIS WATER PROBLEM'S NOT GOING AWAY. SO THEY MAY HAVE COME TO A BETTER SOLUTION BY THE TIME THESE GUYS WANT TO HIT THE 2001 OR 2068. SO YOU JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU CRAFT THAT MDA NOT TO EXTEND YOURSELF ANYMORE. AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE. YOU KNOW, ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT. YEAH WE'LL ALLOW THIS. BUT IT'S SUBJECT TO ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE CAPACITIES. AND IT'S NOT JUST WATER, IT'S WASTEWATER. IT'S IT'S ALL THE THINGS STORMWATER IN THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE PRETTY GOOD. IT WILL BE JUST FINE. SEWER I BELIEVE WILL HAVE CAPACITY AS WELL. THE GOOD NEWS IS I HAVE GOT ALL THE SETTINGS BACK. SO I HAVE JUST STARTED LOOKING AT IT THIS WEEK. BUT I'VE GOT ALL THE SETTINGS IN FROM THE DEVELOPER SO THEY ARE MAKING PROGRESS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS KNOW THAT. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON AND JACOB, YOU GUYS MET THEN TOGETHER. ANYTHING THAT CAME OUT OF YOUR MEETING WITH US? OF NOTE, WATER WAS A CONCERN, WHICH WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT. THAT WAS PROBABLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN. AND. THE DARK PURPLE IS CERTAINLY A CONCERN. JUST LIKE COUNCILMEMBER WHITELOCK SAID, THAT'S ALL USE. IT'S AND THE WAY IT'S COLORED KIND OF MAKES YOU THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, OF OF COMMERCIAL OR, OR RATHER INDUSTRIAL AND IT'S. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT IT'S A MIXED USE. I'D LIKE TO DEFINE THAT DARK PURPLE A LITTLE BETTER. 
          I'D LIKE TO HAVE A STRONGER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS THAT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE? IS IT MIXED USE? IS IT RESIDENTIAL, MIXED WITH OFFICES? OR IS IT A MANUFACTURING FACILITY? SO. 
          YEAH, THE DARK PURPLE IS A CONCERN, BUT THE ALL USES AREA. DO YOU REMEMBER JUST QUICKLY FROM OUR CONVERSATION THAT AT LEAST THAT THE 120 DARK PURPLE SECTION WITH THE LITTLE GREEN EASTER EGG IN IT. WAS LABELED THAT WAY BECAUSE THE TOPOGRAPHY IS CHALLENGING? I REMEMBER THAT BEING A CLARIFICATION IN OUR SMALL MEETING, JUST AS A NOTE. SO THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE I THINK IT IS REASONABLE TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY OF ALL USES, BUT ANYWHERE THAT THAT THAT DARK PURPLE CAN BE REMOVED WOULD MAKE ME PERSONALLY MORE COMFORTABLE. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, KENT. NO, NO, YOU'RE GOOD. IN MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT THE VERY SOUTHWEST CORNER, THE 125.8 ACRES PARCEL. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE MOST CHALLENGING TOPOGRAPHY EXISTS. AM I WRONG? THAT'S WHERE A GRAVEL PIT IS. CHALLENGING. 
          YEAH. AND THEN THE. BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS THE THE DROP OFF THERE IN THE 120. IT MIGHT BE NICE IF WE COULD SEE SOMETHING THAT GO ON WITH WHAT COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON IS SAYING. 
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MAYBE ANOTHER COLOR THAT THIS IS WHERE IT'S PURPLE, BUT WE'RE PRETTY SURE THIS IS RESIDENTIAL. 
          YEAH, IT'S PURPLE, BUT WE'RE PRETTY SURE THIS IS GOING TO BE A SHADE OF YELLOW. THE FUNNY THING IS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOING TO MORE LIKELY BE RESIDENTIAL, THIS PURPLE IS A RESULT OF OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, THOUGH, WHERE WE SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS WANT TO GO. WHY DON'T YOU JUST WHY DON'T WE ALLOW YOU FLEXIBILITY? AND NOW WE'RE SAYING SORRY, WE DON'T WANT TO ALLOW YOU FLEXIBILITY. WE WANT TO TELL YOU. WE WANT YOU TO TELL US EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE'RE GOING TO. IT'S A GOOD POINT, PUSHING AND PULLING US A LITTLE BIT FROM THE SECOND. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO BE UNFAIR EITHER. YES. I DON'T WANT TO BE UNFAIR. BUT I ALSO I'M LOOKING AT ALMOST MORE DARK PURPLE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE. CLOSER TO CERTAINTY OF WHERE WE'RE GOING. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT AGAIN 3900. UNITS THAT COULD FIT, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU DO, COULD FIT JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE IN THERE. BUT YEAH, I'D LIKE TO REALLY KIND OF I'D ALMOST LOVE TO SEE IF THEY SAID, THIS IS OUR UTOPIA THAT WE WOULD BUILD. THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN HERE. 
          THAT WOULD GIVE US AN IDEA OF THAT. IT'S IT'S IT'S HARD. IT IS HARD TO BE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY RUSHED, BUT IN A SENSE RUSHED A LITTLE BIT AND THEN HAVE, YOU KNOW, A THIRD OF THE MAP BE, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WE NEED YOU TO COME TO A DECISION AND ALLOW US TO WE DON'T KNOW ON A THIRD OF THE MAP. THAT'S JUST THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S HARD. SO, COUNCILMEMBER JACOB, I AGREE THAT WE WANT TO GIVE THEM FLEXIBILITY, BUT THAT'S THEN WE GIVE THEM A MECHANISM TO GO MAXIMUM BECAUSE ON HERE IT SAYS THEY'VE GIVEN US. OH WELL SORRY, I GUESS I NEED YEAH. SO DOESN'T THAT KIND OF SET PARAMETER OR I MEAN SETS IT A BIT. BUT THEN YOU GO BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER LAMB SAID. WHAT'S TO STOP THEM FROM GOING, YOU KNOW WHAT. AND I'VE, I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL FOR TWO YEARS, BUT I'VE ALREADY HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE GO, WE TRIED TO DO THIS ON THIS PROPERTY AND IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. SO PLEASE LET US DO THIS. YEAH. AND AND I'M SITTING HERE GOING, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU TRIED. YEAH, BUT I ONLY HAVE TO ASSUME THAT YOU DID EVERYTHING YOU COULD. SO LET'S LET'S LOOK AT IT. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES AT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE AND THIS IS YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE THE, THE GUIDE LINES WE PUT UP AREN'T SOFT. YEAH. BECAUSE WE DID THAT ONCE. SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM GARDENER WHAT THEY'VE BEEN HIGH TECH LIKE THAT AND THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I TOLD THEM AT OUR MEETING. IF THEY IF WHAT THEY STATED LAST TIME IS WHAT THEY THINK IS HIGH TECH, THEN PROBABLY REALLY NEED TO WORK EVEN HARDER THAN STAFF SUGGESTED ON THAT TABLE AND DEFINITION, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OF US SITTING AT THE TABLE FEEL THAT A CARDBOARD MANUFACTURING IS HIGH TECH. MANUFACTURING PLANTS ARE BUILDING CARDBOARD. SO THEY DO IT HIGH TECH, AND I DON'T SEE MANY JOBS BEING CREATED THERE. WHO'S GOING TO FIX THE ROBOTS? SO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUT UP THE WE CAN PUT UP THE, YOU KNOW, THE GUIDELINES OF 3900 AND WE CAN PUT UP THE ACREAGE AND HOPE THAT IT STICKS AND HOLDS. BUT THEN IT DOES LEAVE US WITH, AS COUNCIL MEMBER JACOBS SAID, LACKING IN WHAT WE'RE SAYING GOES IN THE REST OF IT, WHICH TO US IS THE MORE IMPORTANT SIDE OF THINGS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM STAFF, LIKE I SEE A FEW CASES FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND LIKE THEY THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME INPUT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO US. I'LL REITERATE STAFF IN THAT THIS IS YOUR MEETING AS WELL. AND IF YOU HAVE THINGS THAT BECAUSE YOU LOVE THIS CITY, THINGS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SAY TO HELP US, WE'D WE'D WELCOME THEM. IF I COULD. YOU CAN. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. HE'S COMING UP. 
          THREE SEATS AT THE TABLE. WOW. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE UP THERE WITH HIM. A LOT OF THIS IS. 
          THIS IS A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE, BECAUSE. THERE'S VALUE IN MASTER PLANNING. THIS LAST 
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CHUNK OF WEST JORDAN FOR UTILITIES TO EMERGENCY SERVICES. THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFIT TO LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE. WHAT I'M HEARING FROM COUNCIL IS THAT THERE'S A LITTLE HESITANCY ABOUT THE THE FLEXIBILITY PERHAPS. WHAT WHAT WILL THIS DARK PURPLE END UP BEING? AND OF THAT I'M HEARING. AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION. COUNCILMAN JACOB HIGH TECH AND MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT THAT OUT. RIGHT. THERE'S A LITTLE BOTH RIGHT NOW THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ZONING IS, IS SET UP SO THAT WHEN THE COUNCIL OR IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THIS MASTER PLAN WITH THE MDA AND THE MDP, THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD. AND EACH OF THESE LITTLE SUBAREAS GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR THE THE IVORY DEVELOPMENT JUST TO THE NORTH. EACH OF THOSE SUBAREAS, THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THEY COME BACK TO THIS BODY FOR CONSIDERATION. SO LAST WAS IT LAST WEEK ROSS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WELL IS THERE IS THERE A WAY PERHAPS TO TO HELP THE COUNCIL FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH AT LEAST THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT BY LOOKING AT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, APPROVE THE MASTER PLAN, BUT WITH ANY RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, THEY WOULD NEED TO BRING THAT BACK FOR TO CONSIDER FOR CONSIDERATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER, I'M NOT AFRAID OF DENSITY. WHAT MATTERS MORE TO ME IS HOW THE DENSITY IS BUILT. 
          THE ACTUAL BUILT ENVIRONMENT PLACEMENT ALSO PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE. BUT BUT HOW IT'S ACTUALLY BUILT REALLY HAS AN EFFECT ON COMMUNITY. RIGHT NOW, THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT IS FOR THE NON RESIDENTIAL. IT'S SET UP. SO IT'S A LOT LIKE OUR M1 DISTRICT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. IF AND WE'VE SEEN THIS COME IN OVER OVER THE YEARS, IF WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT IN OUR M1, OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE, THAT FOR FOR SPEED, FOR EFFICIENCY, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S NOT JUST PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT'S STAFF. UNLESS THERE'S A UNLESS THERE'S A SUBDIVISION THAT REQUIRES DEDICATION. IT DOESN'T EVEN GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO WE HAVE A IF YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL SITE PLAN RIGHT THROUGH STAFF AND THAT THAT HELPS WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT WAS A DECISION THE COUNCIL MADE YEARS AND YEARS AGO. AND IT'S WORKED WELL IN MY OPINION. SO RIGHT NOW, THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT FOR THE NON RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS IT REALLY CLOSELY MIRRORS THAT EXPEDITED REVIEW PROCESS FOR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S GREAT. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. THAT'S JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. MAYBE MAYBE IT'S NOT JUST THIS. MAYBE MAYBE IT'S THE PROCESS OF FUTURE APPROVALS THAT COULD BE IMPROVED TO GIVE THE COUNCIL A LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE WITH THIS OVERALL MASTER PLAN. MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT PERHAPS IN THE DARK PURPLE AREA, THAT WE COULD REQUIRE A COUNCIL REVIEW IF IT'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT OTHERWISE ALLOW IT TO PASS THROUGH? YEAH. IN A NUTSHELL, WE COULD WORDSMITH IT IF WE HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING COMING UP ON THE 31ST, WE COULD PLAY AROUND WITH LANGUAGE, AND I'M JUST THROWING STUFF OUT THERE THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. IF NOT. BUT AS I'VE BEEN MEETING WITH WITH IVORY AND GARDNER WEEKLY FOR THE LAST MANY, MANY MONTHS, THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP JUST TO GIVE THE COUNCIL A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH. NO, BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I DON'T MIND THAT I'M REALLY KIND OF LESS WORRIED ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECT. IF WE'VE GOT SOME GUIDELINES IN PLACE, WE'RE STILL IN THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF IT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO PUT UP MORE GUIDELINES IN THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE OF IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK IN YOUR DO WE DO WE NEED TO QUANTIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THERE OR DO WE NEED GUIDELINES IN THERE. YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CODE AND COUNCILMAN JACOB, YOU PROBABLY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS LOT 13 DASH 5N-7 TALKS ABOUT HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING SLASH EMPLOYMENT, BUSINESS PARK 
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DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. IN THAT SECTION. IT IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF MEAT. IT WAS BUILT WITH A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THERE. BUT IT SAYS THESE THE THE AREAS DESIGNATED FOR HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING ARE TYPICALLY SUITABLE FOR TECHNOLOGY PRODUCTION. AND. OH AND I IT'S CUT OFF. SORRY. SORRY THAT'S WHAT I GET FOR COPY AND PASTE. I HAVE IT HERE. SO THE OKAY THE AREA IS DESIGNATED FOR HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING ARE TYPICALLY SUITABLE FOR TECHNOLOGY PRODUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS BIOTECHNOLOGY SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE DEVELOPMENT AND ELECTRONICS. OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NOT A LOT TO GO OFF OF. 
          SO I THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHERE COUNCILMAN JACOB IS COMING FROM. YES. SCOTT, IS THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE TAILORED? ME AND DUNCAN, WE'VE BEEN READING THROUGH THE CODE AND I THINK WE HAVE THE THE ABILITY OF STAFF WITH THE APPLICANT TO TAKE THAT LAND USE TABLE AND FURTHER DEFINE IT IN THE MVP. AND SO JUST TALKING TO DUNCAN, I THINK WE HAD WE SHOULD HAVE A HIGH TECH A COMMUNE. WE SHOULD ALSO PROBABLY DO LIKE A MAYBE A GENERAL COURT OR GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION, AS WELL. THREE SUBZONES. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY ARE. THIS IS THE DRAFT DEVELOPMENT PLAN SENT TO US. IT'S NOT IN THERE. YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT RIGHT. WE COULD PUT IT IN THERE. YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT THERE YET. I THINK THE ASSUMPTION WAS ANYTHING IN THAT USE TABLE COULD BE ANY OF THEM. AND I THINK IT'S ON US TO GO AHEAD AND FIND THAT NATURAL. WELL YEAH. WELL WE CAN EITHER DO IT IN CODE OR WE CAN DO IT IN THE MVP. I DON'T CARE WHERE WE DO IT, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE IT'S GOT GOT TO BE. THE CODE DOES ALLOW US TO DO AN MVP THOUGH. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE CODE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S GOT TO BE DONE. DUNCAN, YOU SAT DOWN. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD OR WERE YOU JUST. NO, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH I THINK HE SUMMED UP WHAT OUR DISCUSSION WAS. I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE THE SUB ZONES, THE I WAS JUST DESCRIBING BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THEM MENTIONED IN THE, IN THE CODE. AND I THINK IT ADDRESSES WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB WAS SAYING, THAT THAT IF WE IDENTIFY SIMILAR TO LIKE WE DO IN TERRAIN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PC ZONE WHERE WITHIN EACH SUBZONE YOU CAN DO CERTAIN YOU HAVE AVAILABLE TO YOU CERTAIN PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL USES. AND THEN I WOULD ASSUME MAINLY IN THE HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING, THEN ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS LIKE CARDBOARD BOX CONSTRUCTION, WHATEVER, THAT'S NOT A PERMITTED USE IN THAT SUBZONE. BUT THE THINGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED HERE, LIKE BIOTECHNOLOGY SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE DEVELOPMENT ELECTRONICS, THOSE ARE USES IN THAT SENSE. RIGHT? I THINK THAT I THINK WE'RE UNDERSTANDING HOW WE CAN FLESH THIS OUT TO MEET WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. MR. DOVER, YOU'VE JOINED THE TABLE. 
          I DID A LITTLE CONTEXT. I'M GOING TO BE BRAVE HERE. I REALIZE I'M SPEAKING OUT OF SCHOOL. I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE STATE DECIDED TO DO. WE WERE CHALLENGED BY OUR EDC UTAH PARTNERS FIVE YEARS AGO TO PUT A DEFINITION AROUND ADVANCED MANUFACTURING. IT TOOK A WHILE, BUT WE DID. BASICALLY, IT'S PUBLISHED AND I CAN SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE. BUT THE THE SUM BASICALLY IS IT'S EITHER A PROCESS OR A PRODUCT THAT USES NOVEL OR INNOVATIVE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY. IT REALLY IS ABOUT THE THE OUTPUT, LIKE WHAT IS BEING CREATED. SO, YOU KNOW, THE CARDBOARD BOXES. WOW. THAT IS SOME VALUE, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T HAVE NECESSARILY A PROBLEM SOLVING TYPE VALUE THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR. AND SO THERE IS ALSO A IT OFTEN UTILIZES HIGH PAYING JOBS TO SUPPORT THEIR OPERATION AS WELL. SO KIND OF GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AROUND THAT. AND ALSO IT MIGHT INCLUDE CRITICAL MATERIALS, ENERGY CREATION OR MACHINERY THAT MANUFACTURES OR CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTS, HOMES OR STRUCTURES WITH HIGHER THROUGHPUT AND LOWER COST FOR, FOR ADVANCED MANUFACTURING. SO YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT LIKE PROBLEM SOLVING FOR FOR REDUCING THE COST OF HOMES. SO THERE'S A PRETTY GENERAL WAY TO THAT. THE STATE'S APPROACH THAT TO PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE. SO YOU HAVE TO REACH THAT HIGH WATERMARK TO. SO AGAIN I GO BACK TO THE QUESTION DO YOU THINK IT. YEAH. DO WE NEED TO DEFINE THAT BETTER FOR THEM. 
          AND THEN MAYBE NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE TO DEFINE THE DIFFERENT ZONES BETTER AND 
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PUT THAT TOGETHER. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WHERE YOU THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM US TO TO WORK OUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WHEN WE MEET AGAIN ON THE 31ST, OR DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED TO START PUTTING DOWN SOME MORE INFORMATION IN THAT? WELL. I WILL SAY ONE THING THAT I AM STILL A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT. 
          PREVIOUSLY, COUNCIL SAID 60% ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE SHOWING 50% AS A MEMO HERE. ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT NUMBER AS A COUNCIL? WHAT IS THE NUMBER? I THINK THE NUMBER WE WANTED WAS 65. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. DO YOU MEAN COMMERCIAL AND HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING? COST. THAT MEANS THAT WHEN YOU SAY YOU MEAN NONRESIDENTIAL, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY, OKAY, SO THE NUMBER WE GOT WAS 60. THIS IS SHOWING MINIMUM I WOULD PREFER 60. I'D PREFER 80. WELL YEAH. JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THOUGH AS WE DO THIS, IF YOU'RE TALKING PER ACRE ONE ACREAGE. THAT'S WHAT THE CONVERSATION IN THE PAST. IF IT'S 60% OF THE ACRES AND PUTTING ALL THE RESIDENTIAL ONTO FOUR, YOU'RE INCREASING DENSITY. IF YOU DECREASE THE UNITS THAT WE GIVE THEM, UNLESS YOU DECREASE THE UNITS. YEAH. THAT'S. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. NO, WE WANT LESS AND LESS AND LESS RESIDENTIAL ACREAGE. IF YOU DON'T ALSO CORRESPOND TO LESS AND LESS AND LESS RESIDENTIAL UNITS, YOU'RE SQUISHING AND IT GOES UP AND YOU'RE JUST SQUEEZING THE BAG AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE JUST LIKE SCOTT SAID, HE'S NOT AFRAID OF AFRAID OF DENSITY. AS LONG AS IT'S BUILT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND BUILT FOR LIFESTYLE, THAT'S DONE RIGHT. OH, I THINK WE'RE TRENDING THAT WAY AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I THINK WE'RE TRENDING THAT WAY. I THINK WE'RE TRENDING TOWARD BEING LESS AFRAID OF DENSITY THAN WE USED TO BE. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I JUST THE VIBE I GET FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS. I'M NOT POSITIVE THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR DENSITY BECAUSE OF ROADS, INFRASTRUCTURE AND LACK OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. SO FEWER RESIDENTIAL UNITS. I THINK I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH FEWER RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAN THE THE NUMBER CURRENTLY 33,937. THIS ONE AND THE ONE, ALLEN I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH YOU SAID WAS WHICH ONE. ONE WAS ACCURATE. 
          ONE WASN'T THE WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THESE NUMBERS WERE RIGHT OR THE ONE IN THE IN THE MEETING I WAS AT. THE 39, 37 WAS THE NUMBER THAT WAS PRESENTED. BUT I THINK TAYLOR CALCULATED IT WAS 13.12 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE FOR THE NUMBER OF ACREAGE. IS THAT. YEAH. AND SO SO THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD, THE NUMBER HAD DROPPED DOWN TO 3930. SO THAT IS A SMALLER NUMBER THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE BUBBLE THAT DOES IS THAT I'D HAVE TO CALCULATE THAT. RIGHT. GIVE IT THE 12. NO I THINK IT WAS 3.13.1 13.1 OKAY. SO CHAIR I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF LIKE I'VE HEARD LOTS OF GOOD THINGS FROM STAFF. I WAS LOVE IT. IF ON THAT 31ST STAFF CAME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND THAT TAYLOR I HEARD AT LEAST THREE OF US THAT SAID ONE OF US WANTS 80, BUT AT LEAST THREE OF US ARE AT THE 6040. YEAH, AND I'D LIKE TAYLOR AND SCOTT TO MAYBE WEIGH IN ON WHAT WOULD BE THE UNIT COUNT. THAT AND AND PROBABLY MR. DAVENPORT, WHAT WOULD BE THE UNIT COUNT THAT WOULD FIT WELL IN THIS AREA FOR THIS PROJECT, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT THERE IS NO TRACKS, THERE IS, THERE IS YOU WANT 11 AND MAYBE ONE DAY IT WILL BE A FREEWAY AND MAYBE MOUNTAIN VIEW WILL BE A FREEWAY IF WE IF WE CROSS ALL THE T'S AND DOT ALL THE I'S THAT YOU DON'T WANT US TO. BUT AT THIS POINT, THE CLOSEST MAJOR TRANSPORTATION IS MAKING. I DID WHEN I WENT OUT AND MET WITH THE DEVELOPERS, I ASKED ABOUT TRESPASS TRENDS, AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THERE IS ON THEIR MIND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO CHANGE THAT, BUT. AND YOU DON'T. YEAH, YEAH. AND I, I HAD THE SAME CONCERN THAT KEN DID THAT AS MANY UNITS AS HOW DO WE FACILITATE TRAFFIC. NOT EVERYBODY CAN GO TO THAT ONE. 
          JUST THERE. WHERE IS THAT LIKE JUST BY THE SMITHS. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE STOP. I KNOW THAT'S WHERE THE IT GOES THROUGH, WHERE TRACKS ARE, BUT THAT'S FINE, EXCEPT THE CLOSEST 
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TO MY HOUSE. SO THAT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE AS WELL. JUNCTION. THAT'S COOL. YEAH. 
          AND I THINK WITH THAT AS WELL, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE, I DON'T KNOW, THE IDEA OF THE ZONES ARE TRYING TO JUST PUT THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE TOGETHER OR AT LEAST START TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. YEAH, I WANT TO I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, STATE WE ARE NOT AGAINST CARDBOARD BOXES IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, A LITTLE MORE WITH THAT, THAT IT'S NOT. THE MORE THE HIGH TECH KIND OF STUFF THAT WE LOOKED AT. AND AGAIN, THEY MAY BE THE HIGHEST TECH BOXES OUT THERE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR MANUFACTURING IN THE GREAT SPOTS. RIGHT? SO YEAH. WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE HIT A 13 UNITS PER ACRE OR 12 OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE? WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR THE COUNCIL IF WE CAME UP WITH REAL WORLD EXAMPLES OF THAT DENSITY, SO YOU COULD KICK THE TIRES FOR REAL AND POINT THE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH? AGAIN, NOT ALL 12 UNIT PER ACRE DEVELOPMENTS FEEL THE SAME. NO. GRANTED, I KNOW I LIKE THAT A LOT BECAUSE THAT STARTS TO GIVE US. YOU KNOW, A BETTER VIEW. WE'VE ALL STARED AT THIS BUBBLE MAP SO OFTEN THAT IT IT REALLY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING ANYMORE TO US. BUT GET THAT. AND THAT'S WHY I THAT'S WHY I REALLY SAID WHAT I WAS HOPING I'D GET SOLD OUT A LITTLE MORE IS WHAT DOES OUR HIGH TECH AREA LOOK LIKE? SOME, SOME REAL WORLD EXAMPLES OF THAT WOULD BE GOOD TOO. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE BECAUSE SOMEONE MAY COME AND DECIDE THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER A, YOU KNOW, A LARGE FOOTPRINT. AND OR IT MAY BE THAT WE GOT A NICE BUNCH OF LITTLE SMALL ONES THAT COME IN THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO COME ALONG. IT'S GOING TO GET US AN AVENUE FOR THOSE. YEP. HUMAN DRONES LIKE BEES. NO. BUT THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I WANTED WITH THIS MEETING. LIKE I SAID, IT WAS REALLY I'D LIKE TO HEAR IF THERE'S ANY MORE OF THE STAFF. AND IT'S NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO SHUT OUT DEVELOPERS IN ANY WAY, BUT THIS IS FOR US TO COME TOGETHER AFTER WE HAD THAT EXTRA TIME WITH THEM TO REALLY TALK ABOUT. AND THE THE TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WE HEARD, WHERE WE WANT TO GO FROM THERE. AND I THINK WHAT I'M GETTING IS WE, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          MAYBE AN IDEA THAT GETS US A LITTLE, THAT GETS US BACK TO THE 6040 WE WERE LOOKING AT, GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT MIGHT BE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S 13.1 UNITS AN ACRE, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THAT COULD BE, AND THEN JUST MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT AND WHAT WOULD BE THE 60% OF THAT OF THAT ACREAGE AND US DEFINING A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE. JUST I SEE OUR BATTERY LABEL AGAIN AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S THERESA. THERESA AND CAMILLE. I WAS THINKING TIFFANY AND I KNEW THAT WAS STARTED WITH THE RIGHT LETTER. YEAH, YEAH, THAT WAS GOOD. I MEAN. I, I IF I WERE HER, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IF ANYONE'S OPPOSED TO THE BATTERY PARK THERE. LIKE, I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO PIECEMEAL THIS, BUT I KNOW SHE'S ANXIOUS TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING. 
          WHERE'S THE NEW LOCATION FOR BATTERY PARK? 6060. RIGHT AGAINST THE I BELIEVE? YES, RIGHT AGAINST THE WEST WALL THERE. SO I WILL JUST GO ON RECORD IF. AND ACTUALLY, MR. GROVES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE READ FROM WHATEVER THE STAY BASICALLY SOUNDED LIKE A BATTERY PARK WOULD FIT WITH THAT DEFINITION. SO LIKE THERE IS A NEED FOR ENERGY. AND I THINK THERE COULD ALSO BE A SAY BENEFIT USE, RIGHT FOR THAT AREA TO HAVE MORE STABLE POWER. 
          AND. MANUFACTURING AND ENERGY DEVICES IS DEFINITELY WITHIN THE TARGET OF WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR. AND A BATTERY PARK IS STILL VERY USEFUL IN THAT CONTEXT. IF I COULD. YEAH. AND I, I AND I APOLOGIZE, I THOUGHT WE HAD KIND OF SAID YEAH, WAIT ONE SECOND. I THOUGHT WE HAD KIND OF KIND OF PUT DOWN A THING. WE WERE OKAY WITH THAT AREA. IS THERE ANYONE WHO IS OPPOSED TO THE BATTERY PARK? THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED BECAUSE BEFORE IT WAS THERE WAS A SPLIT, 
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RIGHT? RIGHT. THE SPLIT. AND THIS KIND OF FITS WHAT WE WERE ASKING. YEAH. NO. SO YEAH THAT SEEING THAT AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M SAYING. JUST START TO DEFINE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THERE. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I'M OKAY WITH A CARDBOARD MANUFACTURER. BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT TAKES UP, YOU KNOW, 3% OF WHAT WE NEED TO, TO FILL UP. AND AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO SELL ME ONE GROUP AT A TIME, THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR US. SO. YEAH. YEAH. NO, I KNOW, THANK YOU. AND IF IT'S OKAY, I'LL JUST ADDRESS THE QUESTION. SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE HOW. YEAH. GO GO AHEAD. YOU KNOW WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD SUCH A TERRIFIC PRODUCTIVE PARTNERSHIP AND WORKING WITH CITY STAFF AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL A COUPLE OF TIMES, THERESA FOXLEY. YOU KNOW, WE ARE EAGER TO PROGRESS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH WOULD MEAN HAVING A CLEARER PICTURE OF OUR LAND USE AND ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED NOW WITH THE STAFF TO TO DETERMINE IF IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO TO TRY AND PULL THIS OUT OF THE BUBBLE PLAN AND START TO PROGRESS. THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ALSO WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING ULTIMATELY THE DEFINITION OF HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING. IF IT'S FOCUSED ON WHAT'S BEING MADE, HOW IT'S BEING MADE, THE CAPITAL INTENSITY OF THE INVESTMENT, AND THE TYPES OF JOBS ATTACHED TO IT. IF THAT ENCOMPASSES A BATTERY PROJECT, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO ALSO EXPLORE THAT WITH THE TEAM AND THE STAFF. AND IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, I MEAN, WE RECEIVED THEIR THEIR PRE-APPLICATION OFFICIAL PRE-APPLICATION FORM EARLIER TODAY. AT LEAST I DID. AND THERESA IS CORRECT. WE'RE THIS IS A THIS IS A NEW USE RIGHT. AND SO WE WE'VE HAD TO DIG IN. AND HOW DOES THIS FIT WITH WITH EVERYTHING. AND SO WE'RE WE AS STAFF. WE'RE GOING TO BE DIGGING INTO THAT OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. BUT THERE ARE SOME VERY CLEAR PATHS TO MOVE FORWARD, EITHER INDEPENDENTLY OR COLLECTIVELY WITHIN THE FABRIC OF THIS, OF THIS PLAN. SO THERE THERE IS, THERE'S A GOOD PATH FORWARD. SO YEAH, I'VE TALKED THIS ISSUE OVER WITH TAYLOR A LITTLE BIT AND WHERE THE BATTERY USE IS ALLOWED BY SCOTT AND CONDITIONALLY AS A CONDITIONAL USE. AND IF IT WERE ALSO A CONDITIONAL USE IN THIS, THIS SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ZONE, AS WE UPDATED THE LAND USE TABLES, THEN IT REALLY WOULDN'T MATTER. THE TIMING OF THE USE EITHER. 
          SO I THINK FOR SCOTT WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH MASTER PLANNING, IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO KEEP AS MUCH AS YOU CAN IN THE SAME MASTER PLAN. I'D RECOMMEND KEEPING IT. DO YOU HAVE THAT WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING I TALKED ABOUT IS ZONING INTERPRETATION CAME OUT THAT IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED USE IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. IT IS IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONE. SO JUST. SOUTHWEST ZONE TO HAVE THAT USE THAT. DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT. YEAH. NO, I MEAN BUT THE ANY OBJECTION TO ALLOWING IT TO, TO CHANGE IT SO THAT WE COULD ALLOW IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ALREADY COULD, THAT IT ALREADY IS. SO WE CAN DO IT IN THE ZONE. BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT 60 ACRES TO NOT BE IN THIS MASTER. RIGHT. SO WE CAN CUT THAT 60 ACRES OUT, ONLY KEEP IT IN AND JUST MAKE IT ONE ADDITIONAL USE TO THAT. OKAY. THE SECOND ONE, SECOND ONE. WE ALL AGREE ON THAT. SECOND ONE. THUMBS UP. THUMBS UP. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. WELL THEN LOOK AT THAT. WE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING. I THINK ALL OF US. YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING. WONDER WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. I LIKE HANGING OUT WITH YOU. YEAH. 
          KEEP COMING. JUST GLAD TO HAVE YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR, COUNSELOR FOR POINTING THAT OUT. 
          NO, I DO THINK THAT THAT IN MY MIND, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A GIVEN ALREADY IN THERE. BUT I AND I JUST ALWAYS KNEW THAT IT WAS RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA. BUT NOW WE CAN CARVE THAT OUT AND AND KNOW WHAT'S THERE. I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THEN KIND OF WHERE WE WANT TO GO CITY STAFF WISE, BEFORE WE GET TO THE 31ST. THANK YOU. SO ON THE 31ST, WE WANT TO SIT DOWN AND TRY TO REALLY HAMMER THIS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND AGAIN, AND I'M SORRY, I KNOW WE LOST ONE OF OUR DEVELOPERS AND I DON'T KNOW IF I UPSET HIM WHEN I SAID THIS WAS GOING TO BE A MEETING OF US, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO DO. I REALLY WANTED TO HEAR WHAT WE GOT OUT OF OUR 
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INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS SO THAT WE COULD DO THAT, SO WE COULD GIVE STAFF WHAT WE NEEDED SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THE 31ST BEING MEETING. THAT'S REALLY GOING TO ONLY BE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT RELATED. AND NOW WE KNOW THAT IT IS LESS OF THE SOUTHWEST SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. WE'RE GOING TO CARVE OUT A FEW ACRES ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED ON THAT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT THEN WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE 31ST AND BE AN EXCITING MEETING IN THAT. JUST REAL QUICK. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? NOTHING ADDITIONAL. THANKS FOR ASKING. NO PROBLEM. OKAY THEN ON THAT I BELIEVE THAT'LL THEN WRAP UP OUR DISCUSSION. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE 31ST. I THINK WE'VE GOT ALL THE ANSWERS OR NOT ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT WE'VE GOT ALL THE QUESTIONS HANDED OUT. WHAT'S THAT. YEAH, I THINK IT'S AT IS AT 6 P.M. YES, 6 P.M. ON THE 31ST, 6 P.M. 
          ON THURSDAY WILL BE THE TIME. THAT'S THE SCHEDULED TIME THAT'S ALREADY THERE. SO WE'LL TAKE THAT. AND WITH THAT, I WILL
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.