Mar 24, 2026 Committee of the Whole

[CALL TO ORDER]

[a. Discussion on Performing a Sports Venue Study for the West Jordan Rodeo Arena]

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WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS SESSION WITH OUR FIRST DISCUSSION TOPIC. THIS IS ITEM TWO, A DISCUSSION ON THE PERFORMING ON PERFORMING A SPORTS VENUE STUDY FOR THE WEST JORDAN RODEO ARENA. THIS WILL BE CORBIN LEE AND I WILL START JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS BEING RECORDED. AND APOLOGIZE TO MR. LEE THAT I DID NOT FILL OUT THE STUFF I WAS SUPPOSED TO.

EVEN THOUGH I THOUGHT ABOUT IT MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES. SO MR. LEE IS READY. THEN WE CAN BEGIN.

WE'RE BUSY. I KNOW THAT WAS ME POLITELY SAYING, STOP TALKING TO MR. LEE. YOU GET ONE, YOU GET ONE POLITE ONE. I GET ONE POLITE WITH YOU. YOU. IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS NOW. COUNCIL. A FEW MONTHS AGO. WE. WE HAD A CONVERSATION IN HERE ABOUT WANTING. WANTING TO DO MORE WITH THE RODEO ARENA. AND YET WE STRUGGLED TO DEFINE WHAT IT WAS WE WANTED TO DO MORE WITH RODEO. WE KNEW WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING. WE. WE WERE WILLING TO PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS STUDYING IT. WE KNOW WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS. AND MY TAKEAWAY WAS, GO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. COME BACK AND ASK FOR AN APPROPRIATION SO WE CAN PUT SOME MONEY ASIDE TO DO A GOOD STUDY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO NEXT FOR THE RODEO ARENA. I CONTACTED A HALF DOZEN RODEO AND SPORTS VENUE AND ENTERTAINMENT CONSULTANTS, AND I GOT. I ACTUALLY GOT MORE CONSENSUS AROUND THE PRICING THAN I THOUGHT I WOULD. MOST OF THEM WERE IN THE 40 TO $70,000 RANGE, 50 TO $60,000 WAS ABOUT THE EXPECTED COST OF A STUDY, BUT THE FULL RANGE WAS 40 TO $100,000 PLUS FOR THE COST OF A STUDY. BUT EVERY SINGLE CONSULTANT SAID, WELL, OF COURSE, THE THE STUDY IS GOING TO. COST OF THE STUDY IS GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT IT IS YOU WANT US TO STUDY. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? AND THEN WE ENGAGED IN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT. ABOUT SPORTS VENUES, SPORTS VENUE, MARKETING, COMPETITIVE LANDSCAPE ANALYSIS, ARCHITECTURAL SITE PLAN ANALYSIS AND RENDERINGS, ECONOMIC IMPACT. DO YOU WANT THE STUDY TO ENGAGE STAKEHOLDERS? DO YOU ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AND SO ON? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO POSE TO YOU AS A COUNCIL TONIGHT AND TALK ABOUT THIS SO THAT AS WE WRITE THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS TO COMPLETE THIS STUDY, WE KNOW WHAT THE SCOPE OF OUR STUDY LOOKS LIKE. SO IN AN EMAIL SENT BACK ON MARCH 13TH, I SENT YOU A LIST OF ABOUT EIGHT QUESTIONS OF WHAT DO YOU WANT THIS STUDY FOR THE SPORTS VENUE CONSULTANT TO LOOK LIKE? I WANT TO READ THESE QUESTIONS TO YOU AND DISCUSS WITH YOU AS A COUNCIL BODY, WHETHER YOU WANT THE STUDY TO INCLUDE THIS, THIS PART OF THE ANALYSIS OR NOT. FIRST QUESTIONS ARE COMPETITIVE LANDSCAPE ANALYSIS. DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE CONSULTING TEAM LOOK HOLISTICALLY AT THE SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT VENUE? COMPETITIVE LANDSCAPE IN SALT LAKE COUNTY. AND THAT'S KIND OF PART AND PARCEL WITH THE SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS, DO YOU WANT TO CONSIDER A SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT VENUE AT THIS SITE? IT'S NOT RODEO. IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE. IS IT MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN THE HISTORY AND TRADITION OF RODEO AT THE SITE, REGARDLESS OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THE VENUE? OR IS IT MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE BEST ROI ON THE SITE AND THE LAND AND MORE FREQUENT USES OF THE SITE, EVEN IF IT MEANS CREATING A SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT VENUE THAT'S NOT RODEO. I THINK IT HAS TO STAY RODEO. THOSE ARE THE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN, RIGHT? WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE CONSULTANTS COME BACK AND SAY RODEO IS YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO GET FIVE USES A YEAR. YEAH, BUT A BUILD A, BUILD AN AMPHITHEATER AND YOU'LL GET 15 USES A YEAR. IS THAT ON THE, IS THE STUDY? THIS

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WE WON'T HAVE RODEO. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY LIKE THE RODEO, SO IF THAT'S I MEAN, I THINK RODEO OFF OUT OF THE EQUATION IS PROBABLY A, IN MY OPINION, A BAD CHOICE. BUT A VENUE THAT CAN DO RODEO AND OTHER THINGS, THAT'S LIKE SOMETHING OUTSIDE THE BOX MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING AT. SO REMEMBER BACK TO MY DAYS OF BEING A CHILD. DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER THE BIG THE BIG YELLOW DRUM IN DOWNTOWN, THE OLD SALT PALACE? THAT'S WHERE THEY HELD THE DAYS OF 47 RODEO. NOW, GRANTED, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN INDOOR ARENA, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO SIMILAR TO THAT, I MEAN, THEY, THEY HELD THE RODEO THERE AND THEY TOOK IT IN AND THEY TOOK IT OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE US, OUR RODEOS USED THREE DAYS A YEAR AND THEN MAYBE TWICE FOR DIFFERENT. YOU DO MONSTER TRUCKS AT THE DELTA CENTER. YEAH. SO, SO, SO MAYBE WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, A VENUE THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THE SALT PALACE WAS MINUS MAYBE A ROOF OR MAYBE WE HAVE A, SOME KIND OF ROOF, YOU KNOW? BUT YEAH, I AM UP FOR LOOKING AT SAYING LIKE HE SAID, RODEO FIRST, BUT THEN HOW CAN WE TAKE THAT VENUE AND MAKE IT SIMILAR TO WHAT THE SALT PALACE USED TO BE? I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A DELTA CENTER. I DON'T THINK WE EVER IF WE DID, I DON'T THINK WE MEANT TO CONVEY THAT WE DIDN'T WANT THE ROAD. SO I THINK WE ALWAYS WERE CONVEYING, NO, I WANT THE RODEO, BUT WE WANT TO EXPLORE AN ADDITION. WHAT CAN OCCUR THERE THAT WILL BRING IN FUNDS. I'M SURE THIS OTHER OPTION CAME FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO REPORT MORE EXPENSIVE REPORT. WELL, YEAH, NO ONE CONVEYED. NO ONE CONVEYED TO ME.

NO RODEO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE REALLY CLEAR, BECAUSE TO BE HONEST, ON THE SURFACE, MOST OF THEM LOOK, MOST OF THEM BEFORE WE TALKED, LOOKED AT, OKAY, RODEO IN WEST JORDAN. WHAT ARE THE OTHER RODEO VENUES? HOW OFTEN ARE THEY USED AND IMMEDIATELY SAW THERE'S A THERE'S PROBABLY MORE RODEO VENUES IN THIS AREA THAN THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF ALL THOSE RODEO VENUES IN UTAH. YEAH, YOU'RE NOT IN. SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY THIS IS THE FIRST QUESTION. I THINK SOMETHING WE RUN UP AGAINST THOUGH, IS IT SEEMS LIKE AN. AN EASY THING WOULD BE YOU CAN GET A STAGE THAT YOU CAN BRING IN, PUT IT UP, PUT CHAIRS ON THE.

AND SUDDENLY YOU'VE GOT A CONCERT VENUE. BUT THEN I LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF THAT AND REALIZE THAT ANY TIME THERE'S A RODEO, I HEAR IF I'M NOT IN THE RODEO NOW THAT I'M HERE, YOU KNOW, I'M IN THE ROAD. BUT I USED TO BE ABLE TO JUST HEAR THE RODEO FROM MY HOUSE A QUARTER MILE AWAY. AND SO WE HAD A CONCERT VENUE THAT'S GOING TO BE ALL ANYONE WITHIN A PROBABLY HALF MILE RADIUS IS GOING TO HEAR THIS CONCERT. &ND WHEREAS THAT WOULD BE AN EASY SECONDARY USE OF IT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S NOW PROBLEMATIC OR A RODEO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND. ALL RIGHT, THE RODEO IS IN TOWN AND THEN THE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT. AND THEN THERE'S THE MEXICO RODEO. AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT, BUT ALL RIGHT. THOSE WILL BE DONE IN QUIET BY 10:00 AND I CAN MOVE ON. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE USES. BUT THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS THIS THE LOCATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT HAS THE USES. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO WONDER IF THE IDEA IS TO FIND A NEW LOCATION FOR THE RODEO AND BUILD THE GROUNDS DOWN THERE, AND EVENTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS MONTH, I DON'T THINK ABOUT. WHAT I'M HEARING. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM JESSICA. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU. WHAT I'M HEARING IS DOING AWAY WITH THE RODEO AND LETTING OTHER COMMUNITIES PROVIDE RODEO ENTERTAINMENT IS NOT AN OPTION. WE HAVE A HISTORY AND A TRADITION OF RODEO, AND OTHER USES ARE OKAY, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE RODEO. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE ALREADY HAVE A RODEO ARENA AT THIS SITE. WHY RELOCATE IT? WHY SPEND THE

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I'D BE HAPPY IF THE RODEO WAS JUST BUSTED. THAT WAS WATCH THAT FOR TWO HOURS AND WENT HOME. BEST PART, VERY HAPPY. AND SOMEBODY WITH A STOPWATCH. SO THE POINTS AREN'T JUST MADE UP. I DON'T MIND THE MADE UP POINTS, 74 POINTS I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT. SO I THINK THE MAIN STUDY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THAT. WHAT DO WE DO? IS IT SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE TO LAY IN? I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S JUST NOTHING BUT DIRT ALL THE WAY DOWN, BUT THERE WAS NEVER A CONCRETE FLOOR PUT IN A LITTLE METAL HERE AND THERE. THEY FIND. OH YEAH, I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT ANYWAY, BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A MULTI VENUE UNLESS WE, BECAUSE I KNOW ONE TIME SUGAR FACTORY PLAYHOUSE DID SOUTH PACIFIC AT ON THE RODEO GROUNDS AND IT BECAME A LITTLE WEIRD BECAUSE ACTORS ARE NOW TRYING TO PERFORM IN A WINDSTORM COMES UP AND IT'S JUST SAND BLOWING EVERYWHERE.

YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS NOT A GOOD THEATRICAL EXPERIENCE. AND ACTORS TRY TO DO A GOOD JOB OF WORKING THAT INTO THE, THE SHOW OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC ISLANDS. BUT SO I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING, WHAT IT WOULD COST TO PUT IN A FLOOR ALL THE WAY.

THEN THEN THEN IT'S DIRT THAT'S BROUGHT IN. MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN KEEP THAT DIRT SOMEWHERE AND MAINTAIN THE DIRT. I DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW THEY DO ALL THAT.

OKAY. MOTION ONE, QUESTIONS ONE AND TWO DOWN. ALL RIGHT. MY NEXT QUESTION ABOUT SITE PLAN ARCHITECTURAL VERSUS COST REVENUE. ARE YOU PICTURING THIS IN YOUR MIND? YOU'RE PICTURING THIS MORE AS A STUDY ABOUT COST REVENUE ANALYSIS AND MARKET, MARKET AND TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY OR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN SITE PLAN FOR BOTH. FOR ME, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE OF BOTH. IT'S IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO KNOW WHAT ARCHITECTURAL NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. LIKE I SAID, DO WE NEED TO PUT IN A CONCRETE FLOOR OR DO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF A. BIT OF A HEAT BREAK A LITTLE? NOT A FULL ROOF, BUT SOME SHADE OVER? DO WE NEED TO DO THESE THINGS? I'D WANT TO SEE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF LIKE PHYSICAL BUILDING CHANGES, LIKE CONSTRUCTION CHANGES. AND THEN WHAT THE. COST, THE COST ANALYSIS OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH MUST HAVE WIDER AISLES FOR SEATING AND CHAIR BACKS. SO THOSE ARE ARCHITECTURAL. SO I THINK I'VE HEARD FOUR OF YOU NOW SAY LIKE THE ART, IT DEPENDS ON WHO WE'RE HIRING. ARE WE HIRING A

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THE QUESTION DO WE WANT OR IS IT BIGGER THAN THAT? BECAUSE IF THAT'S ALL IT IS, I THINK WE'LL SAVE A LOT OF MONEY WITH THIS STUDY. WE CAN WE CAN THROW SOME IDEAS TOGETHER AND GO, PROBABLY DON'T NEED A STUDY IF THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND CONCRETE AND SHADE WITH COREY, AND HE CAN GET US SOME BIDS AND PUT IT TOGETHER WITHOUT A. CAN I SPEAK TO THAT ONE? I DID SAY YOUR NAME, SO I GUESS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO RESPOND. YEAH. WELL, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WAS YOU? YOU MIGHT BE ANOTHER COREY TO GET NEW SEATS OR BLEACHER. I'VE CALLED.

THAT REQUIRES NEW GRANDSTANDS. NEW GRANDSTANDS REQUIRES CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT, WHICH THEN ADDS THE COST OF NEW FOOTINGS, NEW DRAINAGE TO GET AROUND. AND SO IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST PUTTING IN THE GRANDSTANDS BECAUSE. SO THAT'S WHERE THE COSTS ARE. AND THERE'S UTILITIES. AND LOOK AT THAT. WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW. IT'S TRICKY $1,000 ON STUDY JUST TO SAY, HEY, GO FOR IT. IT'S CALLED. AND HAD PEOPLE COME OUT AND LOOK THERE. AND OUR OWN ENGINEER SAID, IF WE'RE TO INCREASE THE GRANDSTANDS, THAT'S CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT.

WE'RE NO LONGER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ADD FOOTINGS AND THEN DRAINAGE FOR ALL THESE. AND YEAH, SO DID THEY GIVE YOU A PRICE WITH ALL THAT JUST FOR ADDING NEW SEATING WITHOUT GRANDSTAND, NEW SEATS? WELL, NOT BLEACHERS I ASKED FOR CHAIRS WAS 1.5 MILLION JUST FOR CHAIRS? YEAH, BUT THAT WAS WITH THE SAME CAPACITY. BUT THEY STILL SAID YOU NEED TO CHANGE SOME GRANDSTAND. BUT THE GRANDSTAND COMPANY, YOU HAVE TO CHANGE A LOT. SO IT'S KIND OF A DOMINO EFFECT. EVEN WITH THE CONCRETE. WE LOOKED INTO IT. IT REQUIRES DIFFERENT DRAINAGE SYSTEMS AND JUST THE COST THING. AND I CAN'T TELL ALL THOSE, I DON'T KNOW EVERY DOMINO AFTERWARDS. SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD RECOMMEND THIS STUDY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THOUGH. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE TWO OF YOU ON THIS ISSUE, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS ARCHITECTURE. AN ARCHITECT EXPERT IS PART AND PARCEL WITH THE STUDY TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE KINDS OF QUESTIONS. YEAH, I GUESS SO. YEAH. I JUST DON'T WANT SOMEBODY COMING BACK WITH, HERE'S A $20 MILLION BUILDING. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF A THING, RIGHT? WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER. IF AN ARCHITECT IS REQUIRED TO SAY LIKE, HERE'S HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO ADD A BIGGER FOOTPRINT OR WHATEVER, THEN YEAH, IT WOULD BE THE ARCHITECT WOULD, DO, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURE, LAND USE ANALYSIS, RENDERING, COST CONSTRUCTION, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THE SPORTS VENUE CONSULTANTS WOULD SAY, OKAY, THAT'S A $4 MILLION, $6 MILLION PRICE TAG, AND YOU CAN USE IT IN THESE SIX WAYS. HERE'S, HERE'S THE POTENTIAL COST AND REVENUE OF HOSTING A CONCERT AT THAT KIND OF VENUE. HERE'S THE COMPETITIVE MARKET ANALYSIS OF THAT KIND OF VENUE SIZE. HOW MANY OTHER CONCERT VENUES DO THAT, WHETHER A PRODUCTION COMPANY WOULD WANT TO USE THAT TYPE OF VENUE FOR CONCERTS SO THAT THE TWO, THE TWO DIFFERENT AREAS OF EXPERTISE GO HAND IN HAND? I THINK IT COULD BE WRONG BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW NEED THESE SPORTS. PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT OUR VENUE AND SAY, THAT'S ALMOST RODEO CURRENTLY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. CURRENTLY IT IS ABOUT MONSTER TRUCKS. YEAH, WE GET THE DEMOLITION DERBY AND STUFF, BUT THOSE ARE JUST AUTOMATED, RIGHT. WELL WILL THEY, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING WE'RE TALKING CONCERTS, BUT AND IT'S NOT PINEWOOD DERBY, BUT THOSE GIRLS THAT CAME IN AND WANTED A DERBY SITE. BUT IT'S THAT KIND OF DERBY. OH OH ROLLER DERBY. LIKE WILL THEY BRING US IN IDEAS LIKE THAT? I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A

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EXACTLY. WE HAVE HAD WE HAVE JUST A STAFF. I WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO COREY'S TEAM. THEY HAVE BEEN BRAINSTORMING VERY CREATIVE WAYS TO GET MORE USE OUT OF THAT VENUE. AND I'VE COME UP WITH SOME REALLY INTERESTING IDEAS, BUT WE WANT CONSULTANTS TO HOPEFULLY BRING US A NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE ON THOSE KINDS OF CREATIVE IDEAS AS WELL. I STILL LIKE DISCO SOCCER. DO YOU WANT DO YOU WANT THE CONSULTING TEAM THAT WE HIRED A COMPLETE AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS? YES. DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THIS OR DO YOU CARE ABOUT. FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE COMMUNITY. THE ECONOMIC IMPACT. WE'RE NOT REALLY DOING THIS FOR ECONOMIC IMPACT. WE'RE DOING THIS FOR COMMUNITY CREATION. ECONOMIC IMPACT I SEE IS JUST ARE WE COVERING COSTS? I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING IT TO MAKE THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS. BUT I THINK WE NEED THE ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY TO KNOW IF YOU'RE COVERING COSTS OR TO KNOW IF THERE'S PROFITS TO BE MADE OR TO KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE A DRAIN ON THE SYSTEM. YEAH. I THINK IF WE SAY NO, WE'LL REGRET IT BECAUSE WE'LL GET THE RESULTS AND THEN WE WON'T KNOW HOW TO DECIDE.

DO YOU WANT LIKE A I THINK I HEARD AS WELL, BUT THIS IS THE NEXT QUESTION. DO YOU WANT THE CONSULTANTS TO CREATE A PRO FORMA, LIKE A BUSINESS PLAN, A PRO FORMA BUSINESS ANALYSIS AS WELL? RIGHT. THAT'S MORE TO YOUR POINT, ECONOMIC IMPACT IS YOU BRING IN AN EVENT THAT SPENDS THAT HAS 1000 PEOPLE COME. THEY SPEND $100. THE MULTIPLIER EFFECT OF THOSE DOLLARS SPENT IN WEST JORDAN CREATES $1 MILLION OF ECONOMIC IMPACT IN THE HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS AND GAS STATIONS. THAT'S ECONOMIC IMPACT. WHY PEOPLE SAY THE OLYMPICS ARE GOING TO GENERATE BILLIONS IN ECONOMIC IMPACT. IT'S THE SPILLOVER SPENDING AND THE MULTIPLIER EFFECT IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY. THE PRO FORMA ANALYSIS IS MORE WHAT CHAD MENTIONED OF, I WANT TO KNOW IF WE'RE DOING AN EVENT, IS THAT EVENT GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF? IS IT GOING TO HAVE TO BE SUBSIDIZED DIRECTLY? IS IT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MONEY OR LOSE MONEY? THAT'S THE THAT'S MORE THE PRO FORMA BUSINESS ANALYSIS, THE DIRECT COST DIRECT BENEFIT ISSUE. SOUNDS LIKE THE ANSWER IS BOTH MIGHT BE MORE INTERESTED IN THE SECOND. ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU LAY IT OUT LIKE THAT, A LITTLE BIT MORE TANGIBLE. BUT THEY'RE BOTH VALID. YEAH, I MOSTLY INTERESTED IN. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. YES. I THINK MORE GENERAL ECONOMIC ANALYSIS IS. I THINK IT'S. LIKE, I THINK IT'S ON A STATE LEVEL. IT'S FOR US. I JUST HAVE TOO MANY RELATIVES THAT COME TO OUR SOCCER COMPLEX AND SPEND NOTHING IN THE CITY. SO ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WORKS IN THIS AREA. IT WORKS WELL ON A COUNTY LEVEL AND ABOVE RIGHT COUNTY LEVEL. STATE LEVEL. OUR OUR, OUR, OUR BOUNDARIES WHEN IT COMES TO SPENDING ARE TOO POROUS, RIGHT? IT'S TOO EASY TO CROSS A CITY LINE AND SPEND A DOLLAR FOR ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO WORK REALLY, REALLY WELL ON A WEST JORDAN CENTRIC TYPE OF STUDY. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO INVOLVE THE PUBLIC IN THE STUDY? DO YOU WANT TO SURVEY THE COMMUNITY AND ASK WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE AT THE SITE? DO YOU WANT TO ASK THEM WHAT LEVEL OF TAXPAYER SUPPORT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE? WOULD WE BE DOING A SEPARATE STUDY OR ADDING IT TO OUR YEARLY STUDY? I WOULD PROPOSE, IF I MAY JUMP IN.

WE'RE MEETING WITH Y2 FOR THE COMMUNITY WIDE SURVEY AND WE HAVE SOME TREND QUESTIONS.

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YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE HARD PART. I DON'T EVER WANT TO ASK RESIDENT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY NOT LIKE THEIR ANSWER AND USE IT. I THINK THAT'S THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO. SO. YOU DO BLOW YOUR NOSE, RIGHT? DON'T ASK A QUESTION YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. SO I THINK PUTTING IT IN THE REGULAR SURVEY, GETTING AN IDEA WOULD BE EXCELLENT. BUT AS FAR AS DOING A SEPARATE SURVEY, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT EXPENDITURE. NEVER ASK IF THEY WANT AN ICE CREAM CONE. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM. WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, I GUESS, IS DO WE IF WE PUT IT IN THE RFP AS A REQUIRED SCOPE OF THE STUDY, THEN THEY BRING ON A MARKET RESEARCH TEAM WITH THEIR CONSULTANTS. THAT ADDS TO THE COST OF THE STUDY TO GET THAT IF WE DO IT AS PART OF OUR Y2 SURVEY, AS PART OF OUR ANNUAL CITIZEN SURVEY, WE'LL GET A SENSE OF HOW OUR RESIDENTS FEEL. WE MIGHT NOT ASK EXACTLY THE QUESTIONS THE CONSULTANTS WOULD WANT US TO BE ASKING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT DRAW FURTHER INSIGHTS IF WE HAD ASKED THE QUESTIONS DIFFERENTLY OR SO ON. BUT YEAH, THERE'S ALSO, YOU PAY ME TO DO THE STUDY. I'M HAPPIER THAN IF YOU HAVE THAT GUY DO THE STUDY. AND MY QUESTIONS, OF COURSE, WOULD BE SUPERIOR. WELL, THERE'S ALSO A CHALLENGE OF, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWERS, RIGHT? OR IF WE DO, ARE WE COMFORTABLE ASKING QUESTIONS? RESIDENTS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS SUBSIDIZING THE RODEO ARENA? DO WE WANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION OR NOT? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, WE ALREADY DO. IT'S PART OF WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY AND WE DESERVE IT'S PART OF WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY. BUT IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT OUR TAX DOLLARS SPENT THAT WAY, THEN IF WE ARE WE HEADING DOWN A PATH THAT OUR RESIDENTS THEN COME BACK AND SAY, WE TOLD YOU WE DIDN'T WANT TO HEAD DOWN THAT PATH. I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT. WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE RODEO GROUNDS. HERE ARE SOME SUGGESTIONS. WHAT WOULD YOU FIND MOST. THAT WAY WE'VE ALREADY LET THEM KNOW IT'S COMING. YOU CAN TELL US WHICH IDEAS YOU'D LIKE US TO HIT, KIND OF WHAT LEVEL THEY WANT US TO INVEST IN THE RODEO GROUNDS, RIGHT? THIS IS WHY I DON'T TRUST SURVEY SURVEY REPORTS. OH, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION. THAT'S ALWAYS THAT. ALWAYS BEEN. WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA. POLLS. 80% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT THIS. YEAH, SURE. THEY DID. SEE THE QUESTION. I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT COULD BE CERTAINLY HELP. BUT I THINK WE AGREE THAT WE'D LIKE THE SURVEY TO BE JUST PART OF THE MAIN PART OF THE CITIZEN SURVEY THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. WE'LL ASK OUR OWN QUESTIONS. WE'LL SHARE THOSE QUESTIONS AND RESPONSES WITH THE CONSULTANTS. THE CONSULTANTS HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND US AND WHAT COULD BE DONE WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND MONEY TO ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS. DID WE DO THAT MANUALLY? I'M SO SORRY. ANY ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT PART OF THE THAT ISSUE ABOUT SURVEYING RESIDENTS? JESSICA, ANNETTE, CHAD, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? NO, I'D PREFER IT WITH THE SURVEY. OKAY. HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO INVOLVE THE USERS OF THE FACILITY, THE USERS OF THE VENUE IN THE STUDY? DO YOU WANT TO ASK? DO YOU WANT TO ASK? FOR. I'M JUST GOING TO

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YOU KNOW, THEY USE IT WEEKLY. OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK. SO I MEAN, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THREE GROUPS THAT USE IT, THE YOUTH GROUP US FOR OUR RODEO AND THEN THE LATIN RODEO, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET THREE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES IF YOU ASK THOSE THREE GROUPS, BECAUSE LIKE, IF I'M THE ORGANIZERS OF THE YOUTH GROUP, I'M NOT GOING TO WANT YOU USING THAT RODEO FACILITY FOR ANYTHING BUT RODEO, BECAUSE THEN I MIGHT NOT HAVE A PRACTICE ARENA ANYMORE. AND OUR FEE MIGHT GO UP. FOR THE RODEO GROUP. SO I THINK ASKING OUR RODEO COMMITTEE IS A GOOD IDEA. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK ALL THE OTHER GROUPS, I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME COMPLICATIONS WITH THAT. WELL, THIS GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, RIGHT? WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THE RODEO EXPERIENCE BETTER. THAT'S WHAT THE RODEO COMMITTEE WILL HAVE INSIGHT ON, RIGHT? THE RODEO EXPERIENCE, THE COMPLAINTS THEY GET, THE FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE, THEIR EXPERIENCE THERE. THEY'RE NOT THERE FOR THE FOR WHAT DOESN'T EXIST YET, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT THERE FOR FOR THE CONCERTS THAT AREN'T HAPPENING OR FOR THE PINEWOOD DERBY OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S GOING TO BE MY NEW FERRIS WHEEL, BY THE WAY, I'M GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE FOR ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE HAPPENING THERE. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE INPUT MORE THAN ANY OTHER CITIZEN, RIGHT ON WHAT IT COULD BE OR WHAT IT SHOULD BE, OR WHAT IT COULD BECOME BEYOND HOW TO MAKE THE RODEO THE BEST IT CAN BE. AND SO JUST KEEPING IN MIND IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE SET OF ANSWERS, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THAT QUESTION TO THAT GROUP THEN, OKAY, ASK THEM. LET'S SEE WHAT SEE WHAT WE CAN MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN DO AND MAKE THE RODEO THE BEST IT CAN BE. BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR BROADER ANSWERS ON BROADER TOPICS, JUST KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO COME FROM THAT GROUP. SO FOR EXAMPLE. WHAT I'M HEARING IS YES ON YES ON FOCUS GROUPS. THAT OUGHT TO BE PART OF THE STUDY. YES. FOR SURE. ON THE RODEO COMMITTEE, PROBABLY ON THE OTHER USERS AS WELL. BUT WE RECOGNIZE THERE MIGHT BE SOME COMPETING INTERESTS. ZAKIR, I THINK YOU'RE MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE IN AT LEAST ONE OF OUR FOCUS GROUPS, POTENTIAL FUTURE USERS OF THE VENUE OTHER THAN RODEO.

LIKE IF WE WANT TO USE IT FOR CONCERTS, WE OUGHT TO GET LIVE NATION IN HERE TO SAY, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE THIS A VIABLE CONCERT VENUE FOR PRODUCTIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? DOES THAT? YEAH. WE MIGHT ALSO WANT TO ASK. I KNOW THAT THE THE COMPANY THAT HAS HIRED TO DO WHATEVER THEY DO, TAKE TICKETS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS SHOW PEOPLE TO THEIR SEATS.

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ONE WAS THE DEMOLITION DERBY IN THE. IN THE YEAR PRIOR, WE ADDED. OR WE HAD. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE MONSTER TRUCK NIGHT. WE CANCELED MONSTER TRUCK NIGHT BECAUSE IT WAS BEING SUBSIDIZED BY THE CITY. IT WAS COSTING MORE THAN IT WAS BRINGING IN. IN YEARS PRIOR TO THAT, EVEN. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN 1 OR 2 NIGHTS OF MEXICAN RODEO IN MY TIME HERE. THE MOST EVENT NIGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE RODEO ARENA, I BELIEVE ARE PROBABLY 7 OR 8, 2 OR 3 MEXICAN RODEOS, FIVE, THREE, THREE WESTERN STAMPEDE, MONSTER TRUCK DEMOLITION DERBY. THAT'D BE ABOUT EIGHT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, RODEOS KIND OF WENT AWAY BECAUSE OF NOISE ISSUES. YOU KNOW, THE THE BIGGEST REASON THE MEXICAN RODEO WENT AWAY IS BECAUSE OF, FRANKLY, THE CONCERT PROMOTER, THE EVENT PROMOTER WOULDN'T ABIDE BY THE ALCOHOL LAWS. I'D HEARD THEY WEREN'T. I HEARD THE SOUND ISSUE WAS A THING TOO. LIKE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TURN THE SOUND OFF. IT WAS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE, BUT THAT WAS NOT THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN. THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN WAS SERVING ALCOHOL TO MINORS AND OH, THAT'S A BIG NAIL. AND THEN A LOT OF OTHER, A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO THE SALE OF ALCOHOL. IN ADDITION TO BETWEEN 4 AND 8 EVENT NIGHTS PER YEAR, THERE'S A LOT OF USES OF THE VENUE THAT I WOULD CALL SUB EVENT USES, LIKE, LIKE YOU JUST APPROVED A FEW OR ON TONIGHT I THINK IS A FEE WAIVER FOR USE OF THE ARENA FOR A PRACTICE GROUP, RIGHT? THEY'LL COME IN AND USE IT, BUT IT'S NOT FILLING IT WITH STANDS.

IT'S NOT FILLING THE STANDS WITH PEOPLE. IT'S BEING USED LIKE A PARK. THE JORDAN EDUCATION FOUNDATION, THEY DO THEIR OBSTACLE COURSE, THEY'LL RUN THROUGH THE ARENA. BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT FILLING THE STANDS WITH PEOPLE. YEAH, ALL OF THOSE USES, THE SUB EVENT AND THE FULL EVENT USES ARE ALL IN THE SUMMER BETWEEN ABOUT JORDAN EDUCATION FOUNDATION'S WHAT END OF APRIL? MID APRIL UNTIL MID SEPTEMBER. YEAH. THAT'S IT. THE REST OF THE TIME, THE VENUES MOTH SHUTTERED WINTERIZED FOR THE SEASON. THE REASON I ASKED IS BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE'RE ONLY MAKING IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE RODEO, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THE ROI TO BE. YEAH. BUT IF IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT, OBVIOUSLY MORE THAN 78 TIMES A YEAR THAT WE HAVE TO IF IT'S GOING TO COST, I IMAGINE IT'S BASED ON WHAT COREY SAID. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE. YEAH. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DONE A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE'VE GOT SOME NEW LIGHTING OVER THERE. WE HAVE FLAGPOLES. SO A LITTLE BIT IT'S BEEN PUT IN. DON'T GO CRAZY. WE HAVE OH YEAH. AIR CONDITIONING AT ONE POINT THAT DIDN'T EXIST. YEAH. IT'S PROBABLY BEEN ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE OCCURRED.

WE'VE WE'VE FIXED BATHROOMS. WE'VE DONE THE AIR CONDITIONING. WE'VE DONE FLAGPOLES. WE'VE CHANGED OUT THE WE CHANGING OUT THE LIGHTS TO LED LIGHTS WAS A BIG DEAL. YEAH. WE'VE MADE MINOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE. WE'VE LAID DOWN A LOT OF RECYCLED ASPHALT AND IMPROVED THE UNIMPROVED PARKING QUITE A BIT. PROBABLY PUT 20 IF YOU AVERAGED ALL THAT OUT, I WOULD SAY OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, PROBABLY AVERAGED 20 TO $40,000 A YEAR AND IMPROVEMENTS IN ADDITION TO JUST THE STANDARD MAINTENANCE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVEN'T EVER WE DON'T KNOW.

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THIS CAN INCLUDE IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE THE RODEO ARENA BETTER, RODEO EXPERIENCE BETTER, BUT ALSO AGAIN, FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS TO GET MORE USE OUT OF THE FACILITY. WE WANT THE CONSULTANTS TO BRING US CREATIVE IDEAS FOR ADDITIONAL USES OF THE FACILITY. WE WANT TO KNOW ECONOMIC IMPACT. WE WANT TO DO AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, BUT NOT IF IT'S AN ADDED COST TO THE STUDY. BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN PRO FORMA BUSINESS ANALYSIS, COST REVENUE ANALYSIS OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF POSSIBLE USES. WE DON'T WANT TO SURVEY OUR RESIDENTS SEPARATELY, BUT WE WILL LOOK TO ADD SOME SURVEY QUESTIONS TO OUR ANNUAL CITIZEN SURVEY ABOUT THE RODEO ARENA. HOWEVER, WE DO WANT THIS STUDY WITH CONSULTANTS TO INCLUDE ENGAGEMENT WITH FOCUS GROUPS WHO ARE USERS OF THE VENUE CURRENTLY, OR POTENTIAL FUTURE USERS OR STAKEHOLDERS. AND OTHERS WITH INSIGHTS ABOUT THE VENUE. SO THEY NEED TO BUILD IN THE COST OF THEIR STUDY TIME TO BE HERE DOING FOCUS GROUPS. AM I GETTING THAT ABOUT RIGHT? HEY, ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD THINK OF? ONE THING I WOULD THINK THAT CORPORATES PROBABLY GOT IN THERE IS, AS I CALL IT, WE WENT WITH OTHER IS THE MORE FREQUENT USE THEY DO HAVE STAFF.

FOR EXAMPLE, SPANISH FORK HAS EIGHT FULL TIME STAFF JUST AT THE RODEO GROUNDS BECAUSE THEY DO SO MANY EVENTS. AND SO I THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THAT AS PART OF THE STUDY OF STAFF NEED TO INCLUDE A STAFFING ANALYSIS. YEAH, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF THE WHOLE BUSINESS OR NOT. BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING TO DO MORE, I MEAN, THAT IS A LOT. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT IT BUILT INTO OUR CURRENT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT THIS WAY FOR SO LONG THAT IT'S ALREADY IN OUR SCHEDULE. BUT IF YOU'RE TO START ADDING MORE AND MORE EVENTS, WHAT'S THE EVENT STAFF? BECAUSE WE'VE EVEN TRIED TO FIND TURNKEY. I'D LOVE TO FIND JUST A TURNKEY. HEY, WE HAVE A FACILITY BRING IN THE HAS BEEN VERY HARD. YEAH, YEAH. TO DO OTHER DUTIES. GREAT.

HERE'S THE FACILITY. I'LL RUN THE RODEO. YOU SHOULD ALL RUN THE MEXICAN RODEO. JUST WATCH OUT. IT'S COMING AFTER YOU. CHIEF BELL JUST VOLUNTEERED. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'VE ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS. WHAT? WHAT OTHER THINGS? WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO YOU WANT TO THROW OUT THERE? WHAT OTHER THINGS DO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE ARE CONSIDERED OR WHAT'S. I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ESTHETICS OF THE PARK, KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE RV QUESTION WE HAD A FEW MONTHS AGO OR WEEKS AGO, I AM NEVER GOING TO BE FOR AN RV PARK THERE EVER, BUT I, I WOULD LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR RODEO, SOME KIND OF HOOKUPS FOR RODEO PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND SEE WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO PUT RV PARK IN THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE HOW CAN WE MAKE THE TRANSITION? WE'VE GOT OUR ARTS CENTER, WE GOT THE RODEO GROUNDS, THEN WE GOT THE SPACE IN BETWEEN AS A PARKING LOT AND DIRT. BUT I DO KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING THE ARTS CENTER TO THE EAST. IF THAT TIME EVER COMES. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WE'RE PLANNING THIS RODEO, THE NEW THE NEW UPGRADED RODEO GROUNDS, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE REST OF THE INTEGRATES. YEAH. INTEGRATES.

YEAH. THAT'S IMPORTANT SITE PLAN. SO SITE PLAN THE PARK. WHAT? WHAT'S IT CALLED? THE PARK MASTER PLAN. THE PARK MASTER PLAN ABOUT. YEAH. GOOD DISCUSSION ON A COUPLE MONTHS BACK, MAYBE A YEAR AGO. BUT THAT WAS LIKE THE, THAT WAS KIND OF MORE OF THE ROUND PART.

YEAH. YEAH. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT DID EXTEND ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE THEY HAD PLANS FOR THE WHOLE AREA. YEAH. BECAUSE WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT TAKING THAT ROAD, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE

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IT'S A ONE TIME EXPENSE. IT'S A VERY SMALL PIECE OF WHAT WE HAVE IN RESERVES. IF WE WANT IF WE NEEDED TO GO THERE, YOU MIGHT. YEAH. LIKE DO YOU ARE YOU OKAY? IF IF YOU WANT TO DO IT AFTER THE AFTER THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, DO IT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. OTHER THAN THIS FISCAL YEAR, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS COSTS OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LEAVE AND MAYBE, MAYBE WE GOT A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE AND THERE WAS NO SNOW REMOVAL THIS YEAR. I MEAN, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'VE GOT FUNDS THAT WE BUDGETED TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE USED AND GO INTO THE, YOU KNOW, OVERAGE FUND. WHAT IS IT, RESERVE FUND BALANCE? I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE OKAY TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT OR BRING FORTH BUDGET AMENDMENT TO PUT. BUT I'D RATHER DO IT IN THIS. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THE MAJORITY. DO YOU WANT TO DO IT THIS FISCAL YEAR? YEAH. DENISE. AND I'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT WHETHER WE CAN AND WHETHER WE NEED A BUDGET AMENDMENT BEFORE WE ISSUE THE RFP OR NOT. BUT THE MAJORITY OF YOU WANT TO MENTION HERE'S HOW MUCH WHAT DO WE HAVE IN CONTINGENCY? YEAH, YEAH, I HAVE IT ALL IN COUNCIL CONTINGENCY. DON'T SPEND IT FOR OTHER REASONS. YEAH. OKAY. HAVE YOU EVER SPENT THE WHOLE THING FOR THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE, THE FLAGPOLES WERE 60,005. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC? NO. I THINK IT'S GOOD. ONCE WE GET THINGS ROLLING, WE KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO. OKAY,

[b. Discussion of West Jordan City Code – Title 7, Chapter 6 – Electric Bicycles]

WHICH IS YOURS? COOL. 6767. WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO ELECTRIC BICYCLES. REALLY? CAN I TELL MY COUNCIL? GOOD EVENING. I'VE GOT THE CLICKER. OKAY. NORMALLY NORMALLY WHEN I COME I'M LIKE GOT TONS OF RED LINES. LET'S CUT STUFF OUT. LET'S JUST DELETE IT. AND TONIGHT THIS IS A BRAND NEW CHAPTER. SO THIS IS NO RED LINES. THIS IS A COMPLETE NEW ADDITION TO THE CODE. IT'S NOT VERY LONG, SO HOPEFULLY IT'S PALATABLE. BUT THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE WAS BACK IN SEPTEMBER TALKING ABOUT A FEW CONCERNS REGARDING E-BIKES, SPECIFICALLY SETTING A SPEED LIMIT FOR CITY PATHS AND SIDEWALKS. TALKED ABOUT THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN DOWN ON THE JORDAN RIVER PARKWAY TRAIL, INCORPORATING STATE RESTRICTIONS INTO CITY CODE.

I'LL DISCUSS KIND OF BOTH OF THESE, AND IF YOU'VE GOT ADDITIONAL IDEAS OR THOUGHTS ON ON THIS TONIGHT, HAPPY TO TO TAKE SOME FEEDBACK AND BRING YOU SOMETHING THAT MAYBE FITS MORE WITH YOUR, YOUR WANTS AT THIS TIME. SO THE SPEED LIMIT THAT WE HAVE GOT WAS SET, I THINK TEN MILES PER HOUR IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED. INDIVIDUAL MAY NOT OPERATE AN ELECTRIC ASSISTED BICYCLE OR MOTOR SCOOTER. E-BIKES GO THAT SLOW. I I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE GO SLOW VERTICAL UNLESS, YOU KNOW DUNCAN AND I TOOK ONE TOOK SOME BIKES OVER TO THE MUSEUM. WE

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THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION, AND THE MAYOR HAD ACTUALLY ASKED ME ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED IT, BUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED TO EXPAND THE SPEED LIMIT FOR SIDEWALKS TO TRADITIONAL PEDAL BIKES AND THINGS AS WELL, OR IF IT WAS JUST REALLY A CONCERN WITH THE ELECTRIC POWERED BIKES THAT MANY OF THESE VEHICLES HAVE. SPEEDOMETERS, WELL, TRADITIONAL BICYCLES, UNLESS YOU'RE TRACKING YOUR WATTS PER KILO AND OTHER STUFF, I GENERALLY DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF HIGH TECH THINGS ON THEM, BUT THE E-BIKES DO. THE E-BIKES WILL GIVE YOU A READOUT ON THERE, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF GAUGE YOUR INTEREST ON AND SEE WHAT THE COUNCIL THOUGHT ABOUT LIMITING ALL VEHICLES ON SIDEWALKS TO KIND OF TEN MILES PER HOUR, IF IT WAS REALLY JUST AN E-BIKE, BECAUSE IT WAS ARTIFICIALLY POWERED. THAT WAS THE CONCERN. ONE OF MY CONCERNS I'VE SEEN WITH E-BIKES, AND THIS IS MAINLY ON 78, IS YOU DO HAVE THE BIKE LANE, WHICH SAYS ON THE ROAD, IT'S A BIKE LANE, BUT I ALWAYS SEE E-BIKES STILL ON THE SIDEWALK, WHICH MY FIRST CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, ARE THEY GOING TO HIT THE PEOPLE? BUT MY SECOND CONCERN I SEE IS ALWAYS E-BIKES. JUST THINK, OKAY, I CAN JUST KEEP GOING WHEN THERE'S AN INTERSECTION AND HERE COMES THE CAR PULLING OUT, GETTING READY TO TURN. BOOM. YEAH, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY CONCERN BECAUSE YOU SEE THESE E-BIKES AND USUALLY THEY'RE JUST LIKE, I DON'T CARE. I'M GOING CARS DON'T STOP ON THE SIDEWALK, RIGHT? THEY STOP FOR THE BIKE LANE. YEAH. BUT THEY DON'T STOP FOR THE STOP AT THE CURB AT THE EDGE OF THE STREET. SO YOUR SON THAT GOT HIT LIKE THAT, HE GOT HIT IN A CROSSWALK. IT IS. IT IS TOUGH. I THINK ON A REGULAR BIKE. I THINK THERE WAS THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THEY USED TO DO BICYCLE RODEOS, GOING BACK TO RODEOS. I KNOW IT'S A TOPIC, BUT THEY USED TO DO BIKE RODEOS AT THE SCHOOLS, RIGHT? TO KIND OF TEACH KIDS BICYCLE SAFETY AND STUFF. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO THAT OR NOT. STILL THROUGH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND OTHER THINGS, BUT IT'S I THINK A LOT OF IT COMES BACK TO YOUR POINT IS, IS, IS AN EDUCATION THING ON, ON HOW TO SAFELY OPERATE JUST A REGULAR BICYCLE. AND E-BIKES ARE SO POWERFUL AND QUICK AS A MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION, IT JUST MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT'S FULLY. YEAH, I HEARD OF A, THIS WAS MAYBE 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO, BUT I HEARD SOMEONE HAD DIED ON THE PROVO PARKWAY TRAIL, JUST LIKE OUR JORDAN RIVER JUST CAME AROUND A CORNER. BOOM. HIT THE PERSON AND ONE OF THEM DIED, BOTH RIDING BIKES. YEAH, I WOULD SAY. I MEAN, IF YOU HAVEN'T RIDDEN A BIKE BEFORE, THERE'S A COUPLE DOWNSTAIRS. THEY'RE HEAVY. THEY'RE THEY'RE ACTUALLY REALLY HEAVY. AND SO THEY DON'T STOP FAST. BUT IF YOU'RE MOVING AT 25MPH, THE BIKE CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT WITH IT. I MEAN, EVEN AT 10 OR 15, YOU'RE GOING TO GET HURT GETTING HIT BY ONE OF THOSE. SO SO PATRICK, RIGHT NOW, IF A POLICE OFFICER SEES AN E-BIKE ROLLING DOWN ON A SIDEWALK, DO THEY LIKE DOESN'T HAPPEN. WE CAN SPEAK WITH OUR EXPERTS HERE. QUESTION. MY QUESTION WAS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU SEE SOMEONE ON AN E-BIKE ON A SIDEWALK, DO YOU GIVE THEM A TICKET OR SOMETHING? LIKE WHAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT LIKE? DEPENDS ON THE CLASSIFICATION.

SO IF IT HAS PEDALS, IT'S AN E-BIKE. IT DOES NOT HAVE PEDALS. IT'S MORE. DOES A SCOOTER COUNT AS A MOTORCYCLE? NO. OKAY. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ELECTRIC BIKES THAT ARE LIKE MOTORCYCLES, BUT THEY'RE NOT LIKE GRAMS OR WHATEVER. DON'T HAVE PEDALS ARE CONSIDERED A MOTORCYCLE. OKAY? THEY'RE STILL E-BIKES. LIKE THEY JUST LOOK LIKE A MOTORCYCLE. THEY DON'T HAVE PEDALS. SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS AND DIFFERENT PENALTIES FOR EACH. OKAY, SO ENFORCEMENT IS HAPPENING NOW TO THIS. WE TRY TO ENFORCE IT. I WILL SAY THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WILL RUN FROM US BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH QUICKER, LIGHTER AND FASTER THAN A TRUCK THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS AND YARDS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO PUBLIC SAFETY TO THE COST OF CATCHING SOMEBODY, WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT. BUT YES, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF STOPS AND EDUCATION. A LOT OF THEM JUST DON'T KNOW. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU'VE READ THIS. YES, I HAVE NOT. OKAY. WELL THEN I CAN'T ASK YOU WHAT YOU THINK OF IT. WHAT WAS THE HARDEST PART FOR YOU, THOUGH? I MEAN, YOU SAID THAT THAT PEDAL LIKE INSTANTLY. YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK FOR THAT, BY THE WAY. YEAH. YOU

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WHERE THERE IS A, I GUESS, AN OPENING OR AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE CONCERNS EXACTLY WHAT PATRICK'S BRINGING UP. AND THAT IS THESE THINGS ON SIDEWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THE STATE BEING THE STATE AND HOW THEY OPERATE AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE INFO AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUOUSLY BE TWEAKING THEIR LEGISLATION. AND THAT IS AS TECHNOLOGIES CHANGE, YOU CAN'T GET THAT THOUSAND BILLS A SESSION. NO YOU CAN'T. BUT WHAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM REGULARLY REGULATING IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HOPING. DEPENDING ON HOW YOU FOLKS CHOOSE TO ACT IS WILL GIVE US THE ABILITY TO, REGARDLESS OF WHAT CLASSIFICATION IT IS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF IT'S ON A SIDEWALK AND CREATING A HAZARD, GIVE US AN AVENUE TO, TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE AS IT'S CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED, IT'S KIND OF A GRAY AREA. YEAH. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE? I SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH MY SLIDES. THESE GUYS JUST TOOK ALL MY SLIDES FROM ME.

I THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE MAIN QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO ENFORCE. YEAH, YEAH. SO DO WE JUST NOT WANT THEM ON SIDEWALKS? IS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH IN HERE THAT I'M LIKE, I DON'T YEAH. HOW ARE YOU EVEN GOING TO. OKAY, KID.

HOW OLD ARE YOU? 1220. HOW ARE YOU? SHOW ME YOUR ID. I DON'T HAVE IT. YOUR TICKET. IT'S LIKE YOUR NAME. JOHNNY. LET ME LET ME MAYBE ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS REAL QUICK THROUGH THE SLIDES BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE ARE STATE THAT'S IN STATE, RIGHT? THE STATE SETS THOSE AGE LIMITS. I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT WE ADOPT PROVISIONS FROM THE BIKE STATUTE INTO OUR CITY CODE. I THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA. THE STATE'S ALWAYS TWEAKING IT. THEY'RE GOING TO TWEAK IT NEXT YEAR. THEY'LL TWEAK IT THE YEAR AFTER THAT. AND THEN IT JUST REQUIRES THAT WE DO THESE CONSTANT UPDATES AND IT'S CONFUSING, TAKES UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME. AND IT JUST WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED THESE PROVISIONS IN, IN OTHER PARTS OF OUR CODE, SPECIFICALLY TITLE SEVEN, CHAPTER ONE, SECTION FOUR OF OUR EXISTING CODE WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED. WE'VE GOT SOME CHANGES THAT ARE COMING BACK TO YOU REGARDING TRAFFIC AND STUFF HERE IN A FEW WEEKS. E-BIKES ARE COVERED UNDER THAT. SO WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY ESSENTIALLY ADOPTED THESE SECTIONS. TO FURTHER RESTATE THEM, I THINK WOULD BE DUPLICATIVE AND A WASTE AND CONFUSING. THIS IS THE SPOT THAT THE CHIEF IS TALKING ABOUT THOUGH, RIGHT? IS THAT THE STATE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT A LOCAL AUTHORITY MAY ADOPT AN ORDINANCE, A RULE TO RESTRICT THE USE OF ELECTRIC ASSISTED BICYCLE ON A SIDEWALK PATH OR TRAIL WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE LOCAL AUTHORITY. SO THIS IS THIS IS THE AUTHORITY AND THE SCOPE THAT THE STATE HAS SAID WE CAN GO AHEAD AND REGULATE THESE. DO WE WANT TO PUT A LIMIT ON SPEED? DO WE WANT TO PROHIBIT THEM ALL TOGETHER? HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? THE CONDITION THAT THE STATE PUTS UPON US IS THAT WE CONSIDER TRAIL ACCESS BY PERSONS DEALING WITH WITH MOBILITY ISSUES AND, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, AN ELECTRIC AN ELECTRIC ASSISTED BICYCLE MIGHT PROVIDE ACCESS TO A TRAIL SYSTEM. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE. I MEAN, OUT ON THE WEST END, I KNOW WE'RE DEVELOPING A TRAIL SYSTEM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I DON'T RECALL IF THEY'RE USABLE WITH WITH BICYCLES OR NOT, OR IF IT'S JUST HIKING OUT THERE. BUT THESE ARE THESE ARE DEFINITELY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WANT TO BE AWARE OF AND, AND DISCUSS. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS I THINK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING THE DRAFT THAT YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR PACKET WAS WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BASED ON THE PRIOR CONVERSATION? I DON'T AGREE WITH IT. I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I'M A COUNCIL PLEASER. IF YOU TELL ME TO PUT IT, I'LL BRING IT. I DON'T LIKE IT, I DON'T I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD SHOULD DO IT. DON'T REPEAT STATE CODE IN CITY CODE, ESPECIALLY WHERE WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED IT, ESPECIALLY WHERE IT'S CHANGING EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

AGREED. I DO THINK WE SHOULD INCORPORATE SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS FOR CITY SIDEWALKS,

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BECAUSE OTHERWISE HOW DO YOU REALLY KNOW, LIKE THAT LADY SITTING ON HER PORCH WATCHING THAT KID GO BY? IF SHE DOESN'T LIKE HIM, HE'S GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR. IF HE'S HER FRIEND'S BEST FRIEND'S SON, HE'S ONLY GOING FIVE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL PEOPLE, CAN'T TELL HOW FAST VEHICLES ARE GOING. THERE YOU GO. SO I JUST THINK IT'S ARBITRARY. IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE SET TEN MILES, OKAY? AND SOMEBODY CALLS THE POLICE. THEY'RE GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THE STREET, AND THEY GET THERE AND THE POLICE OFFICER'S LIKE, WELL, NUMBER ONE, I CAN'T SEE HIM. NUMBER TWO, IF I CHASE AFTER THIS KID, IT COULD END UP REALLY BAD. SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING HARD TO ENFORCE. YEAH. ONE OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET IS ON THE DRAFT CODE IS JUST KIND OF A CATCH ALL. IT'S IT'S PARAGRAPH B OF SEVEN, SIX, TWO, JUST THAT YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT TO OPERATE AN E-BIKE IN A NEGLIGENT MANNER OR A WAY THAT CREATES UNDUE RISK TO PEDESTRIANS OR INTERFERES WITH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. IF YOU'RE SAYING NO E-BIKES ON SIDEWALKS, I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN WE CAN MAKE SOME SOME TWEAKS AND CHANGES. I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, THOUGH, IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE JORDAN RIVER PATH AND SOME OF THESE OTHER TRAILS? THERE'S SOME CONCERN OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE E-BIKES KIND OF BOMBING ALONG THE THE TRAIL DOWN THERE. IT'S NOT A TECHNICAL SIDEWALK. DO WE WANT TO LIMIT SPEED OR JUST PUT A GENERAL CAUTIONARY PROVISION IN THERE THAT YOU'RE NOT TO OPERATE RECKLESS OR NEGLIGENTLY AND WHATEVER THE OFFICER THAT THAT IS THERE DEEMS THAT TO BE.

I THINK IT WAS MAYBE EVEN SERGEANT HUTCHINGS A WHILE AGO THAT IT SAID OFTENTIMES LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL GET CALLED OUT AFTER THE FACT AND THEY'LL CATCH THE NEXT GUY. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE HARD EITHER WAY. BUT BUT AT LEAST JUST TRYING TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT PROMOTES SAFETY AND SAFE OPERATION OF THE VEHICLES. SO I GUESS THE OTHER REASON I STRUGGLE WITH THE SPEED LIMIT FOR THEM IS IF, IF THAT'S MY MODE OF TRANSPORTATION TO GET TO WORK. AND, AND I CHOOSE TO GET AN E-BIKE AND USE IT ON PATHS LIKE THE JORDAN RIVER TO GO DOWNTOWN. AND THEN YOU TELL ME THAT I HAVE TO GO AT TEN MILES AN HOUR.

I NO LONGER HAVE THE DESIRE TO BE A GOOD STEWARD. I'M JUST GOING TO GET MY CAR GO BECAUSE I CAN'T DO THAT AT TEN. SO I THINK ASKING THEM AND HAVING SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN BE HELD

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LIKE A DEVELOPER WILL COME IN AND SAY, WE PUT A TRAIL ALONG THAT STREET AND I GO THERE AND IT'S A SIDEWALK THAT HAPPENS TO BE EIGHT FEET WIDE INSTEAD OF SIX FEET WIDE OR FOUR FEET WIDE.

SO THAT'S TRUE. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY A MULTI-USE PATH, WE'RE GOING TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A SIDEWALK, A MULTI-USE PATH AND A TRAIL. AND WE NEED TO TIGHTEN DOWN OUR DEFINITIONS ON TRAIL, MULTI-USE PATH AND SIDEWALK AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE EASILY DISTINGUISHABLE ONE FROM ANOTHER, FROM ANOTHER. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THAT DISTINCTION TO BE, OR THE COUNCIL? IS THERE A SPOT WHERE YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH THEM AND A SPOT? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE SIDEWALKS, LIKE CONCRETE SIDEWALKS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. NO E-BIKES. IS THERE A SPOT THAT OR A USAGE WHERE YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, JORDAN RIVER PARKWAY? I HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, SOUNDS LIKE THAT ONE'S OKAY FOR E-BIKES. ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISTINCTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DRAW ON WHERE THEY'RE ACCEPTABLE AND MAYBE WHERE THEY'RE NOT? OKAY. AND THE BIKE LANES. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF MULTI-USE PATHS.

HIDDEN PATH, BARNEY'S CREEK PATH. THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS OUT THERE. THERE'S ONE ALONG U-111 PARK, PARTIALLY ALONG THERE'S THE ONES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SOME OF THEM THEY WOULD WORK ON AND SOME OF THEM THEY WOULDN'T. SO I THINK THEY'RE JUST COME TO THE POINT WHERE YOU START WRITING LAWS AND IT STARTS TO GET STUPID. LIKE, HOW'S THIS A EVER GOING TO BE ENFORCED? I MEAN, DO ENFORCE SPEED OUT ON THE ROADS. THEY HAVE TO SIT AND WATCH AND RADAR GUN AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE, ALL THE THINGS. I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING ON BIKES, ON BIKE PATHS. IF THAT'S ALL I HAVE TIME TO DO, BOY, I GOT SOME CITIZENS WHO WILL DISAGREE.

THEY NEVER COME WHEN I COME. YOU CALLED ABOUT SOMETHING? YOU KNOW. SO? SO DO WE KEEP WRITING.

WE KEEP SAYING, WELL, YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THIS AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. OR DO WE SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU INJURE SOMEBODY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE LIABLE AND JUST KIND OF LEAVE IT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S PROBABLY A MIDDLE GROUND. THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER. BUT FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, AND WHAT PATRICK WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE THAT SECTION WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MANNER IN WHICH THE VEHICLE BEING OPERATED, THAT THAT WOULD BE I MEAN, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE STATE SIDE OF THINGS, WE HAVE SIMILAR LAWS, RIGHT? DISORDERLY CONDUCT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BEHAVE IN A VIOLENT, TUMULTUOUS MANNER THAT'S CAUSING A ALARM TO PEOPLE. IF YOU'RE ASKED TO STOP AND YOU REFUSE, WE CAN TAKE LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTION. I VIEW THAT SECTION AS KIND OF LIKE THE DISORDERLY CONDUCT OF, OF BIKE SAFETY. AND IF SOMEONE'S BEING A PROBLEM, WE CAN ADDRESS IT. I MEAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANT TO DEAL WITH THE THE LOWEST LEVEL POSSIBLE ANYWAY. AND HEY, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT, JOHNNY. AND THEN JOHNNY'S DOING IT AGAIN THE NEXT DAY. WE CAN TAKE SOME ENFORCEMENT ACTION. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THE THOUGHT WAS PUTTING THAT IN THERE. SO YEAH. WELL, AND ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER TOO IS LIKE WAS BROUGHT UP WHEN DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE A PEDAL BIKE FROM A, FROM AN ELECTRIC BIKE? BECAUSE I, IF I, IF I'M ALLOWED ON MY ROAD BIKE TO RIDE DOWN A SIDEWALK, BECAUSE AGAIN, ELECTRIC BIKES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RIDE DOWN SIDEWALK, I CAN GO JUST AS FAST AS HE CAN. I PASS ON ELECTRIC BIKES ALL THE TIME ON MY BIKE. YEAH. I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING WATTS PER KILO, I HEAR YOU. I'M JUST SAYING, I. I THINK THE NORTH SIDE, RIGHT SIDE OF TOWN AND SEE MORE PEOPLE. WELL THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE THE DISORDER I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THAT'S RECKLESS. THERE'S, THERE'S THE, I MEAN, THE WEIGHT OF THE VEHICLE OR, YOU KNOW, THE BIKE ITSELF IS, IS THE MAIN THING, RIGHT? THESE, THESE ARE HEAVY. HOW MUCH DOES AN ELECTRIC BIKE WEIGH THOUGH? BECAUSE LET ME TELL YOU, THIS IS NOT AS MUCH OF A DEAL AS YOU THINK IT IS BECAUSE JOSH ON A ROAD BIKE AND ME ON A ROAD BIKE, IS JOSH ON AN ELECTRIC BIKE? WELL, I

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WELL ABOUT ABOUT AGE GROUPS. MACHINES LIKE THE CLASSIFICATIONS. THEY KIND OF.

YEAH. THEY KIND OF MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX. YEAH. I GOT SOME, SOME DATA THAT COULD BE INTERESTING TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL. IN 2024, THE UTAH STATE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR WEST JORDAN ALONE, WE HAD AN AVERAGE OF 80 ACCIDENT INVOLVING A MOTORCYCLE, A PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FROM THOSE 80 ACCIDENTS, 50% ARE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN. FOR THAT 50%, 20 OF THEM ARE BIKE RELATED. THAT INCLUDES BIKES, SCOOTERS, E-BIKES AND SCOOTERS.

THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS 14 ACCIDENTS PER 100,000 RESIDENTS, SO WE'RE BELOW THAT THRESHOLD, BUT SLOWLY CLIMBING UP. THE STATES WITH THE LOWEST NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS NATIONWIDE HAVE REGULATION FOR THE MANDATORY USE OF HELMETS. CONTACT THE PRIMARY CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL AND ACCORDING TO THEM, 57% OF THE CHILDREN UNDER 15 YEARS OLD THAT GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM AFTER BEING INVOLVED IN A SOME KIND OF A BICYCLE ACCIDENT, WERE NOT USING THE HELMET AND THEY WERE IN CRITICAL CONDITION. SO MAYBE IT'S HARD TO REGULATE HOW THESE VEHICLES ARE BEING

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IT'S THE BEST WAY TO INFORM PARENTS ABOUT THE RISK OF RIDING AN E-BIKE AND E-SCOOTER.

ALSO, PUBLIC EDUCATION INCLUDE A FLIER WITH THE MONTHLY BILL SHOWING THIS DATA THAT IS IS CONCERNING. SIX OUT OF TEN KIDS WERE INJURED IN ACCIDENTS GOING TO THE ER BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT USING A HELMET, AND THEN WE'RE PLANNING TO STAMP A LEGEND ON ALL THE CROSSWALKS. I SAW IN SOME OTHER CITIES WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS ARE LOWER. JUST A LEGEND THAT SHOWS THE WORD LOOK L O O K BLACK BACKGROUND, WHITE LETTERS WITH ARROWS ON BOTH DIRECTIONS. THAT TELLS THE PEDESTRIAN LOOK IN BOTH DIRECTIONS BEFORE YOU GO ACROSS. SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS LIKE. THAT CAN CREATE A HUGE IMPACT ON AWARENESS. AND WE'LL KEEP RESEARCHING ON HOW TO LOWER THESE. THIS NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS. BECAUSE EVERY TIME I HEAR A CHILD HIT A RESTAURANT, MY HEART STOPS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT KIDS. SO THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AND. WE'LL KEEP RESEARCHING AND REPORTING TO THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I LIKE, I LIKE WHEN IT HAS ACTIONABLE THINGS YOU CAN DO, LIKE THE LOOK ON THE ON THE GROUND. I'VE SEEN THAT LIKE SALT LAKE CITY DOES THAT. RIGHT? RIGHT. WE KNOW THAT NOT WEARING A HELMET IS WORSE THAN WEARING A HELMET, RIGHT? COMMON SENSE OBVIOUSLY. AND THERE'S STATISTICS TO BACK IT UP. WHAT WHERE THE DECISION IS, IS HOW MUCH OF THAT DO YOU LEGISLATE VERSUS HOW MUCH OF THAT DO YOU JUST SAY PEOPLE BE SMART, RIGHT? HOW MUCH OF THAT DO YOU EDUCATE? MAYBE, MAYBE WE PUT MAYBE THE DISCUSSION OR PART OF THE DISCUSSION OUGHT TO BE WHAT FUNDS DO WE SET ASIDE TO DO PUBLIC EDUCATION ON HELMETS, ON RIDING, SAFETY, ON WHATEVER SALT LAKE CITY USED TO PARTNER WITH UTA? THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT IN A FEW YEARS, BUT THEY USED TO DO A BIKE. THAT'S LIKE A BIKE FAIR. THEY'D HAVE A COUPLE OF BIKE SHOPS COME DOWN, THEY'D HAVE LIKE DEMO RIDERS DO THE FREESTYLE THINGS ON THEIR BMX, WHERE THEY CAN STAND ON ONE WHEEL AND HOP AROUND AND JUMP ON FENCE POSTS AND DO ALL THE COOL THINGS THAT THEY DO, AND THEY HAVE NONPROFITS OR WHOEVER SUBSIDIZES HELMETS, GIVING AWAY OR SELLING HELMETS FOR REALLY CHEAP LITTLE SAFETY KITS, PEOPLE GIVING AWAY REFLECTOR BANDS AND STUFF, ALL THE, ALL THE LITTLE THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'D HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE THERE AND SET UP A LITTLE BIKE SAFETY COURSE WITH CONES AND, YOU KNOW, TEACH KIDS WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO. MAYBE WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MAYBE EXPAND THAT TO E-BIKES AND MAYBE WE LEAD OUT ON THIS. YEAH, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THE STATE SHOULD BE DOING. BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, MAYBE WE LEAD OUT OF THAT. WHAT TEAM IN WEST JORDAN CITY WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THAT KIND OF EDUCATION? STUFF? WELL, SO I KNOW THAT THE PD, BECAUSE I'VE STILL GOT SOME OF IT. THE PD HAD PUT OUT SOME INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS LAST YEAR REGARDING E-BIKES AND ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES. AND KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE. I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS AND THINGS THAT THEY'VE PUT OUT REGARDING, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF EDUCATION FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC REGARDING THESE DIFFERENT MACHINES AND THINGS.

SO MY GUESS IS THAT THAT WOULD CONTINUE. I KNOW WE'VE GOT A FEW BIKE RIDERS IN THE ROOM, AND SO MAYBE THEY CAN VOLUNTEER TO DO SOME SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU KNOW, REELS OR SOMETHING.

PEOPLE WHO MIGHT SEE THEM, A LOT OF SPANDEX IN THE ROOM. WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCORPORATE SOMETHING. I MIDDLE AGED MEN IN LYCRA. BUT YEAH, THERE MAY BE THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR INCREASED FUNDING. I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS. I KNOW IT'S, IT'S A TOPIC OF CONCERN.

SO IT IS BUDGET SEASON. YOU MAY SEE PD OR SOMEBODY COME TO YOU WITH A LINE ITEM THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, BIKE SAFETY AWARENESS AND YEAH, YEAH. SO THAT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WILL COME.

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[c. Discussion on Proposed Amendments to Council Policies and Procedures Rule 4.1, 4.3, 6.2, 9.3, and Appendix C]

AND THEN MR. HALLMARK PUT THEM INTO THE CURRENT FORMAT. YOU SEE WHERE EACH RULE IS ITS OWN NUMBER, SO THAT WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH AND TOUCH ON RULES. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BACKGROUND OF HOW COUNCIL RULES OPERATES. COUNCIL RULES ARE SOMETHING THAT THE BODY AGREES TO ADHERE TO FOR THE SMOOTH OPERATION OF THE MEETING. IT TIES IN WITH ROBERT'S RULES. IT CAN BE MODIFIED A LITTLE BIT. SO HOW THIS CAME ABOUT IS EVERY WEEK AS A STAFF, THE THREE OF US MET AND WE HAD STAFF MEETING FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND WE DO DIFFERENT KINDS OF TRAINING. IT COULD BE ON CODE, IT COULD BE ON COUNCIL RULES. TYPICALLY, THE CODE WE'RE IN IS IN ADMINISTRATION TITLE, TITLE ONE WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS, ADVICE AND CONSENT, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO AS WE DISCUSSED, WE THOUGHT THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THEY WERE CONFUSING TO THE THREE OF US. OR WE THOUGHT, THERE'S PROBABLY A BETTER WAY TO EXPLAIN THIS. SO RULE 4.1 IS THE ATTENDANCE OF MEMBERS. AND IN ITEM C THE QUESTION WAS SHALL IS KIND OF A DIRECT. BUT THEN RIGHT AFTER IT WE SAY ATTEMPT, SHALL ATTEMPT, AND LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE, WE HAD A COUPLE SITUATIONS WHERE A COUNCIL MEMBER HAD NOTIFIED US JUST A COUPLE HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING, AND WE WEREN'T REALLY SET UP FOR THAT. WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE SOME ADVANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT THAT IT WE CAN FUNCTION AND YOU CAN PARTICIPATE. AND WE ARE REQUIRED THAT IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING REMOTELY, THE BODY OR THE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC MEETING HAVE TO HEAR YOU AND WE HAVE TO HEAR YOUR VOTES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO ALL IT IS, IS THE REMOVAL OF TWO WORDS ATTEMPT TO AND IT'S JUST THE COUNCIL MEMBER SHALL PROVIDE ADVANCE NOTICE AT LEAST 24 HOURS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, TO THE COUNCIL CHAIR, WHOEVER THAT MAY BE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. AND TO ME OR SOMEBODY IN THE COUNCIL OFFICE, SO THAT WE CAN PREPARE FOR AN ELECTRONIC MEETING, WE CAN BE SET UP APPROPRIATELY FOR THAT. I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS WAS OUT OF TOWN, BUT STILL PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY, BUT WE KNEW ENOUGH IN. WE KNEW ENOUGH IN ADVANCE THAT WE COULD GET HER PREPARED TO SUCCESSFULLY PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING, IF THAT. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO I JUST WANT TO REMOVE ATTEMPT TO JUST PLEASE JUST LET US KNOW AT LEAST A DAY IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE CAN GET YOU ALL SQUARED AWAY. THE ONLY THING THOUGH IS SHALL PROVIDE ADVANCE NOTICE AT LEAST 24 HOURS. DOES THAT MEAN IF SOMETHING COMES UP THE DAY OF MY KID GETS SICK, I HAVE TO BE AT HOME. I CAN'T NOW PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY BECAUSE I'M NOT GIVING YOU 24 HOUR NOTICE. THAT'S SHALL IS, SHALL. THAT'S PROBABLY MY ATTEMPT THERE. YEAH. SO I'M.

HOW I WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT'S LAST MINUTE, MAYBE A CHILD IS SICK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. IT IS LIKE LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER MEETING, RIGHT? IT'S OKAY TO MISS A MEETING. COUNCIL MEMBER SHELDON IS TRAVELING AND IT'S PROBABLY PRUDENT THAT HE'S NOT PARTICIPATING IN A MEETING, WHETHER IT'S EVEN ON AIRPODS OR IN HIS CAR WHILE HE'S DRIVING. SO HE'S NOT DISTRACTED. AND IT'S OKAY TO MISS A MEETING. I

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YEAH. OKAY. ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT ONE? YES. THANKS. OKAY. THE NEXT RULE IS ITEM FIVE IN THE SAME ONE ATTENDANCE OF MEMBERS. SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, THE COUNCIL CHANGED TITLE ONE SIX. WHEN WE DID THE CHAIR. VICE CHAIR AND WE MISSED THIS ONE. THE ROTATION IS IF THE CHAIR IS NOT PRESENT, THEN THE VICE CHAIR. IF THE VICE CHAIR IS NOT, THEN IT'S THE PAST CHAIR. IF THE CHAIR IS NOT, THEN THE FOUR REMAINING. PICKS IT OUT. OKAY. F IS THAT ONE.

OKAY, SO. SO THIS ONE IS JUST MAKING IT ALL CONCLUSIVE THAT WE FOLLOW THE SAME ORDER. SO IF THE IF. AND THIS BASICALLY MEANS IF THE PRESIDING OFFICER IS NOT IN THE ROOM IS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY, AND THE QUORUM IS AT THE ANCHOR LOCATION, THEN THE PRESIDING OFFICER HAS TO BE DEFINED IN CODE WHERE IT WILL BE THE VICE CHAIR OR THE PAST CHAIR. YOU PICK SOMEBODY THE PRESIDING OFFICER CAN'T SHARE REMOTELY. OKAY. MAKES SENSE. YEAH, WE WE ACTUALLY DID THAT. YEAH. UNLESS WE HAVE. AND MAYBE WE'LL CHANGE. OKAY. THIS ONE CAME UP IN JANUARY. WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE THOUGHT AS A STAFF, THIS WOULD BE GOOD TO BRING. SO THE LAW AND PATRICK CAN BACK ME UP ON THIS HOPEFULLY OR JOSH CAN. BUT THE LAW IS THAT IF YOU ARE THE PRESIDING OFFICER, THE COUNCIL CHAIR, YOU SIGN ALL THE ORDINANCES OF THE PAPERWORK.

WELL, WE HAD AN INCIDENT IN JANUARY WHERE THE COUNCIL CHAIR RECUSED HIMSELF AND WE STARTED SENDING STUFF TO SIGN, AND THE ATTORNEYS WERE LIKE, OH, HE RECUSED HIMSELF. HE CANNOT SIGN.

SHOULD HAVE NOT SIGNED IT ANYWAY. I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU. YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE TOLD US.

BUT THIS JUST CLARIFIES THAT, THAT IF THE CHAIR, THE PERSON WHO IS THE CHAIR RECUSES HIMSELF FROM AN ACTION ON THE AGENDA ITEM, THEN WE HAVE TO SEND THAT TO THE VICE CHAIR OF THE PAST CHAIR TO SIGN THAT SPECIFIC ONE. IT'S JUST CLARITY, BUT IT IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? EVERYBODY SUPPORTIVE? NO. OKAY. SIX TWO. THE TRANSITION PHASE.

I'M NOT TOTALLY SOLD ON ITEM SIX, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT TYPICALLY IN DECEMBER BEFORE THE NEW COUNCIL ELECT TAKE OFFICE AND COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, YOU PARTICIPATE IN US. WE MET IN THIS ROOM AND WE WENT OVER KIND OF COUNCIL MEMBER ELECT TRAINING. WHAT ROBERT'S RULES ARE COUNCIL RULES, SEATING ARRANGEMENTS, WHAT YOUR ROLES

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INSTEAD OF DRAFTING A COUNCIL MEMBER'S BIOGRAPHY, EVERY ELECTION COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE NO CHANGE, ONE CHANGE OR MANY CHANGES. AND SO JUST MAKE IT PLURAL. COUNCIL MEMBER BIOGRAPHIES. WE GET THAT. SO WE CAN PUT THEM ON THE WEBSITE AND GET THOSE THINGS TAKEN CARE OF.

ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS WITH THESE SMALL EDITS? OKAY. ALSO IN THE TRANSITION PHASE, I WANT TO JUST CLARIFY THAT NOT ONLY WHEN YOU TURN THE COMPUTER IN, THEY DO NEED TO BE REIMAGED.

AND THE EMAILS ARE DEACTIVATED FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE OUT ARE GOING OFF THE COUNCIL. AND THE EMAILS, OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW, THE EMAIL SYSTEM WOULD BE DEACTIVATED SO YOU CAN'T RECEIVE OR SEND EMAILS, BUT THEY ARE ARCHIVED FOR GRAMMAR PURPOSES. THEY WILL STAY ARCHIVED FOREVER. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE? THE LAST ONE THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT IS H NO LONGER ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN COUNCIL TRAVEL. I WANTED TO ADD THE WORD CONFERENCES IN THERE BECAUSE THERE IS POTENTIAL WHERE YOU'RE TRAVELING WITH YOU.

YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING UP AT, YOU'LL SEE T THAT YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT, YOU KNOW, MILEAGE, REIMBURSEMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE ALREADY HAVE. I THOUGHT I DID, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN THERE. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO SPECIFY THAT IT CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN COUNCIL TRAVEL FOR CONFERENCES, WHICH WOULD BE UL C T THAT WAS REALLY A BAD EXAMPLE ON MY PART, BUT THERE MIGHT BE MEETINGS LIKE THE ASSOCIATION OF COUNCILS, CHAMBER WEST, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE YOU'RE THE MEMBER OF IT, BUT YOU'RE THE MEMBER UNTIL YOU'RE OFF THE COUNCIL. MAKE SURE. THIS ISN'T PHRASED VERY WELL, THOUGH. NO, IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT SAYS YOU RETURN ALL THIS STUFF, INCLUDING INCLUDING NO LONGER BE ELIGIBLE. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN RETURN.

WHICH ONE? PRIOR TO NOON ON THE DAY OF THE OATH OF OFFICE CEREMONY, DELIVER ANY CITY OWNED EQUIPMENT TO THE COUNCIL DIRECTOR, INCLUDING OFFICIAL CITY IDENTIFICATION, AND NO LONGER BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. THAT SHOULD BE AN ITEM, AN ITEM TOO. OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH, OKAY. PARALLEL STRUCTURE FOR. YEAH. NOPE. YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT NEEDS TO BE A I, I, YEAH, I JUST NEED TO. OKAY, SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE TIMING ON THE NOT BE ABLE TO TRAVEL FOR CONFERENCES? IS IT FROM THE COUNCIL TRANSITION PHASE IN COUNCIL RULES IS DEFINED AS FROM THE TIME OF THE BOARD OF CANVASS. SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WHEN THE COUNCIL SETS THE THE THE ELECTION RESULTS. SO THE BOARD OF CANVASS, WHICH IS USUALLY TOWARDS THE END OF NOVEMBER UNTIL THE OATH OF OFFICE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS AT LARGE AND I LOST. IT FELT LIKE THAT MONTH AND A HALF WHERE I WAS NO LONGER GOING TO BE ON THE COUNCIL, I FELT LIKE A CASTAWAY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT AGAIN, MAKE SURE THAT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER KNOWS, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT HAVE 3 OR 4 WEEKS LEFT, THAT UP UNTIL THE DAY IT'S DONE, THEY'RE STILL A COUNCIL PERSON AND THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THE COUNCIL PERSON DOES. YEAH, WE DID THAT THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S WORDED ALREADY IN THE IN THE RULE THAT PRIOR TO NOON ON THE DAY OF THE OATH OF OFFICE STATE LAW, IS THAT YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER UNTIL 11:59 A.M. ON THE DAY. WELL, I'M SORRY, THE FIRST MONDAY OF JANUARY, THIS IS THE OATH OF OFFICE. WE HAVE TO DO THE OATH OF OFFICE. I THINK WE DO IT ON MONDAY. SO IT WORKED. BUT WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE OATH OF OFFICE COULD BE ON TUESDAY. BUT ANYWAY. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE OUTGOING SHALL, PRIOR TO NOON ON THE OATH OF OFFICE, DELIVER ANY CITY OWNED EQUIPMENT TO THE COUNCIL DIRECTOR. SO THE. THE DESIRE AND THE INTENT IS THAT YOU ARE A COUNCIL MEMBER UNTIL THAT DATE YOU'RE GOING YOU SHOULDN'T BE. YOU GET ALL THE EMAILS. YOU'RE STILL PART OF COUNCIL, ALL THE. THE LIST THAT

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WELL, YOU WOULDN'T BE. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD. YOU'RE NOT AN OUTGOING COUNCIL MEMBER AT THAT. THAT'S A VALID POINT. IT IS A VALID TERM AND YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR CERTAIN THINGS AT THE END OF YOUR FOUR YEAR TERM. SHOULD YOU BE ELIGIBLE AT THAT COUNCIL TRANSITION PHASE? WHERE IS THAT FOUR YEAR TERM START TO GO? THAT'S ACTUALLY THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. SO WHY DON'T I OUTGOING IF YOU'VE BEEN REELECTED. THIS DOES SHE'S TALKING ABOUT BRINGING UP THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT OF THAT POLICY IMPLICATION AS WELL.

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THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING. THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. YEAH. I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR FUTURE ELECTED MEMBERS, BUT I WOULDN'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT. YEAH. BEFORE THE OATH OF OFFICE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO. WHY NOT? YOU'RE COMING ON, GET TRAINED BEFORE WE'RE NOT. BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN SWORN IN YET, SO THE CITY SHOULD BE SWORN AT. SO WHAT IF I READ THAT WE HAVE.

YES, THE H THAT'S REALLY I, I YES, I REWORDED THAT WHOLE SENTENCE THAT OUTGOING COUNCIL MEMBERS, INCOMING COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ABLE TO ATTEND CONFERENCES WITH A VOTE OF A CONSENSUS OF THE BODY. YES. THAT WORKS. SURE. THAT WAY WE DON'T LIKE CHAD. WE CAN SAY NO.

AND THAT'S MY POINT. SO I WILL NOT NAME THE COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT THERE WERE A FEW ISSUES MY LAST SIX WEEKS WHERE I WAS JUST LIKE, I'M STILL ON THE COUNCIL. IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN HERE.

IT'S THE PERSON ANYMORE. YEAH, IT'S AND IT REALLY WAS THAT WAY. AND I DIDN'T LIKE IT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I LOST, I WAS STILL ON. I WAS SIX WEEKS TO GO. AND THAT COUNCIL MEMBER JUST ACTED LIKE, WELL, YOU LOST YOUR OFF. YOU'RE DONE. YEAH. SO I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. I CAN YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU. AND WITH MR. BENNETT IN THE ROOM THAT I HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE THIS A MONTH EARLY AND PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE ME. SO THEY, THEY SAID NO, WE'D RATHER HAVE GUY.

AND THEY HAD A VOTE THAT REALLY. RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE JUST PARTIAL TO THE BALD HEAD, MAN. I'M JUST SAYING. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S. SO IT OPENED UP A WEIRD THING. AND SO I'M, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN THING, YOU WOULD THINK, NO, THE PERSON SHOULDN'T HAVE IT. BUT IF YOU WERE ELECTED FOR FOUR YEARS AND YOUR TERM STARTS, THEN YOU SEEMS LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE WHATEVER'S THERE. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL RARELY COME UP. I DO LIKE THAT THE VOTE IS THERE AND THAT WAY, AND I WOULDN'T MAKE IT A SECRET VOTE. I WOULD MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT'S PUBLIC. AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO REALLY BE A JERK, THEN THEY CAN BE A JERK TO YOUR FACE. OKAY, YEAH IT WOULD. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORD IT LIKE THAT. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY LIKE THAT THOUGH. SO LET ME I'LL TWEAK THAT.

PROBABLY I'LL TWEAK THAT AND LET YOU OR CAN I MOVE ON? YOU CAN MOVE ON. OKAY, SO REMOVAL OF AGENDA ITEMS, THAT'S RULE 9.3. AS YOU KNOW, AGENDA ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED BY THE COUNCIL CHAIR AND COUNCIL LEADERSHIP FOR ADDITIONAL REMOVAL TO ANY COUNCIL MEETING. AS LONG AS WE HAVE TIME TO POST THE REVISED AGENDA. WE DO HAVE A COUNCIL RULE THAT AGENDA ITEMS NEED TO BE PUBLISHED WITHIN, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS, OR WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PACKET MATERIAL TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING SO THAT WE CAN NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING MEETINGS. IT JUST HELPS US BE EFFICIENT WITH OUR TIME. SO I JUST THAT IF IT'S WITHIN TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, WE REALLY NEED TO GET LEADERSHIP'S PERMISSION ON THAT. IF IT'S BEYOND THAT, THEN WE CAN KIND OF MANAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR TIMING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S THE WITHIN THE TWO WEEKS.

AND THEN JUST FOR CONSISTENCY ON I AND I, I, WE HAVE COUNCIL CHAIR UP IN I AND THEN THE ROMAN. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT TWO. SURE. IS THAT WHAT IT IS, ONE AND TWO. WHAT'S THAT. I THINK IT'S ROMAN AT ONE. ROMAN AT ONE AND TWO. I JUST GOT RID OF PRESIDING OFFICER AND CALLED IT COUNCIL CHAIR. AND SO IF A COUNCIL MEMBER SPONSORS THE ITEM, THE REMOVAL IS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL CHAIR WITH COUNCIL LEADERSHIP OR ANY FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN PULL IT.

OKAY. A STAFF MEMBER IS THE COUNCIL CHAIR OR FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. ANYTHING? ANY QUESTION? WHAT'S THAT? I'M JUST DYING TO KNOW WHAT THE THIRD ONE SAYS. OR JUST. YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO.

LOOK, THERE'S NO CHANGE BY THEN. IT'S I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S BY AN APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT WHO GENERATED THE ITEM REMOVED, IT MUST BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL CHAIR AFTER CONSULTATION WITH COUNCIL LEADERSHIP MUST BE BEFORE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES HAVE BEEN SENT. SHE HAS THAT MEMORIZED? YEAH. ONCE A ONCE OFF THE TOP OF HER HEAD, ONCE A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE HAS BEEN SENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, THE COUNCIL'S MADE IT VERY CLEAR TO US THAT WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD AN APPLICANT, AFTER WE'VE NOTICED THE PUBLIC HEARING, HAVE SAID, I WANT TO PULL MY ITEM. AND IT

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THERE'S NO PROHIBITION TO GOING BACK TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, WHICH WE'VE DONE, LIKE WITH SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, YOU CAN MAKE A COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU CAN REFER IT TO COUNCIL STAFF. THE COMPLEX WORKFLOW TAKES ONE OR MORE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT CONSENT BUSINESS ITEM, PUBLIC HEARING, ANY TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S A TECHNICAL DISCUSSION. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DELIBERATION OR INPUT, BUT IT'S NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE. FOR EXAMPLE, THE BUDGET. WHEN THE ANNUAL BUDGET COMES UP IN MAY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE MULTIPLE WORK SESSIONS BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLEX, COMPLEX DISCUSSION AND NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE. I DID ADD ANNUAL BUDGET TO THAT COLUMN JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT FITS. AND IT WILL BE MULTIPLE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. SO JUST THESE SMALL CHANGES ON THE ITEM WORKFLOW. AND THIS IS WHAT THE STAFF AND THE COUNCIL OFFICE USE TO DETERMINE WHAT NEEDS TO COME TO A WORK SESSION AND WHAT NEEDS TO JUST GO TO A COUNCIL MEETING. AND WE PLAN ACCORDINGLY. WHO AND THAT SHOULD BE EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE ON THAT SLIDE WAS NOTES ON A WHITEBOARD. IT'S ON A WHITEBOARD. WE'VE CONVERTED IT OVER AND IT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL, AS YOU'VE SEEN HOW THE WORK SESSIONS HAVE, HAVE GROWN UP. AND OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS USUALLY ARE JUST A COUPLE HOURS. WE WE GET THE WORK DONE AND HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR DISCUSSION SO THAT THINGS ARE WELL THOUGHT OUT.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE SMALL SUGGESTIONS I'VE MADE PROPOSED TO YOU. I'M. IF THERE'S OTHER ONES THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS, WE CAN DO THAT. JUST GIVE ME THE RULES. WE CAN KIND OF NOT HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE BOOK. NOW. WE CAN JUST DO THE RULES THAT NEED CHANGE OR ADDS. YOU FEEL GOOD WITH WHAT YOU GOT FROM US IN RESPONSE TO I DO. I NEED TO WORK ON THE WORDING ON THAT ONE, BUT I THINK WHAT I'LL DO IS JUST I'LL CHANGE IT SO THAT YOU CAN GO TO CONFERENCES IF YOU'RE INCOMING OR OUTGOING, JUST WITH CONSENT OF THE BODY, I LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT THEN. ALL RIGHT.

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SHE GOT IT TO A REALLY GOOD PLACE. WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS THAT YOU HAVE TO THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE SOME SORT OF STATEMENT THAT WE'RE THAT WE COULD BE CONSIDERING A TAX INCREASE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT YOU HAVE A NUMBER.

BUT WE ALSO IT THE DATE IS YOU HAVE TO DO IT ON OR AFTER MAY 1ST, BUT BEFORE JUNE 30TH, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT. SO THERE SHOULD BE PLENTY OF TIME TO DISCUSS THAT. THERE WAS A KIND OF A COMPETING BILL BY REPRESENTED BY ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE, PETERSON, TOM PETERSON FROM BRIGHAM CITY. HE HAD A SIMILAR BILL THAT HE WANTED THAT AN ACTUAL STATEMENT SAYING WE ARE GOING TO DO IT WITH AN APPROXIMATE AMOUNT. AND HE WANTED THAT TO BE APRIL 1ST, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN, I BELIEVE, IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE COUNCIL TO MEET THAT DEADLINE.

SO LUCKILY, COOLER HEADS PREVAILED. REPRESENTATIVE PETERSON GOT SOME OTHER ANCILLARY THINGS FROM HIS BILL IN INTO THIS BILL, BUT WE ENDED UP BEING OKAY WITH IT. THE LEAGUE ENDED UP BEING OKAY WITH IT. AND WE WE'LL SEE HOW THIS HOW THIS GOES. THE PUBLIC WAS THIS WAS BACKLASH FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WAS SAYING WE FEEL LIKE WE WHEN WE GO TO A TRUTH AND TAXATION MEETING AT THE CITY, THAT THEY'VE ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MINDS. AND THEN THE CITY'S RESPONSE IS, WELL, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS IN BUDGET MEETINGS FOR MONTHS.

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? THERE NEED THEY SAW THERE NEEDED TO BE A WAY TO TO CHANGE HOW WE COMMUNICATE WITH CONSTITUENTS IN THIS. THIS COULD BE THE WAY TO DO THAT. I JUST WANT TO SAY HUGE. SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT HUGE KUDOS TO DENISE, WHO IS VERY INVOLVED WITH WITH THE LEAGUE AND WITH MEETING WITH REPRESENTATIVES. THAT GOT THIS TO A GOOD PLACE. DENISE WAS A ROCK STAR. I, I CALLED HER JUST FOR THERAPY AND OTHER THINGS SO SHE COULD TELL ME WHAT WAS GOOD, WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T. SUPER HELPFUL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SESSION, AMENDMENTS TO ELECTION LAW. THIS IS YOUR FAVORITE BILL. THERE IS A COUPLE OF BILLS SPONSORED BY REPRESENTATIVE JEFFERSON BURTON, AND SOME OF THOSE BILLS WOULD HAVE MADE ELECTIONS IN WEST JORDAN VERY EXPENSIVE. THE AIM, I BELIEVE, WAS TO GET RID OF VOTE BY MAIL. SO YOU WOULD STILL BE MAILED A BALLOT, BUT YOU COULDN'T RETURN IT WITHOUT TWO PEOPLE MANNING A A BOX, A DROP BOX. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ONE FOR, I THINK, EVERY 10,000 PEOPLE. AND AND SO HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO YOU HAVE TO HIRE FOR HOW MANY DAYS? 10,000 VOTERS. SO ANYWAY, THE BILL WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY EXPENSIVE.

IT ALSO DEALT WITH EVERY FEW YEARS. YOU'D HAVE TO GO IN AND PROVE YOUR CITIZENSHIP. AND SO THERE WAS THIS WAS A HOUSE LEADERSHIP PRIORITY BY THE TIME IT GOT TO THE THE SENATE, ONE OF THE BILLS, THE EGREGIOUS ONE, IT DIED, WHICH AND THE ACTUAL SENATE SPONSOR IS THE ONE THAT MADE THE MOTION TO KILL IT IN COMMITTEE, WHICH WAS INTERESTING TO WATCH. AND THE OTHER BILL WAS JUST CHANGED INTO A STUDY. LET'S DO A STUDY DONE BY UVU. THEIR POLITICS INSTITUTE, AND THEY'LL PROVIDE SOME DATA TO THE LEGISLATURE LATER ON. WE WERE REALLY CONCERNED IN WEST JORDAN ABOUT LICENSE PLATE READER AMENDMENTS. HB 327 BY REPRESENTATIVE CHEVRIER OUT OF UTAH COUNTY. IT SEEMS LIKE THE LEGISLATURE IS ALWAYS SAYING, HEY, THERE'S THERE'S AN INCREASE IN CRIME. YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT CRIME. AND THEN THE OTHER HAND IS IS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY THOSE TOOLS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ACTUALLY DO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO. THERE WAS A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THIS. IT DIDN'T EVEN MAKE IT OVER TO THE SENATE.

IT WAS NOT. IT WAS HELD IN COMMITTEE. IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED. THEY MOVED ON. THEY COULDN'T MAKE THE BILL WORK. THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER BILL SPONSORED BY SENATOR DAN MCCAY FROM RIVERTON THAT WOULD HAVE NOT ALLOWED ANY UNMARKED POLICE VEHICLES TO PERFORM ANY TRAFFIC

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THE REASON IT KEPT DYING IS BECAUSE VERY LARGE NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS GROUPS WOULD HAVE TO PAY THAT FEE. THEY DID NOT WANT TO. THAT INCLUDES HOSPITALS AND CHURCHES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO THEY'VE HAD THIS BATTLE FOR YEARS. THE HOUSE REALLY WANTED TO PASS IT. THE SENATE DID NOT.

SO FOURTH TIME IS THE CHARM. THAT BILL WAS ACTUALLY PASSED THIS YEAR. IT BRINGS IN A BUNCH OF OTHER DIFFERENT FEES INTO THIS. WHAT TYPES OF POLICE FEES YOU CAN CHARGE? WHAT YOU CANNOT CHARGE BROADBAND FEES EXCEPT FOR UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. AND SO THEY KIND OF CLEARED UP THIS CODE HERE. SO IT DOES ALLOW A TRANSPORTATION FEE IN THIS. AND AND IT SETS FORTH HOW THE HOW THE COUNCIL'S HOW THE CITIES ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. OKAY. HB 492 IS ONE OF THE THIS WILL REALLY AFFECT WEST JORDAN. ALSO SPONSORED BY REPRESENTATIVE CAL ROBERTS TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING AMENDMENTS. I'M GOING TO COMBINE IT WITH. THIS IS ACTUALLY ISN'T THE BIGGEST DEAL. I WANT TO COMBINE IT WITH HB 507, ALSO BY REPRESENTATIVE CAL ROBERTS. BETWEEN THESE BILLS, IT. IT MOVES FUNDING OVER FROM THE FIFTH TO THE FIFTH AND THE QUARTER OF THE QUARTER TO THE FIFTH OF THE FIFTH IS JUST TRANSPORTATION FUNDING. IT'S MOSTLY TRANSPORTATION FUNDING. THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY WE WHILE WE LIKE SOME OF THIS TRANSPORTATION FUNDING, FOR INSTANCE, BEFORE MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR, BEFORE THE INTERSECTIONS AND OVERPASSES CAN BE CONSTRUCTED, WE NEED TO HAVE A 5600 BY STATE CODE, 5600 BUS LINE RUNNING THROUGH IT. SO WHAT THIS BILL DOES IS ACTUALLY TAKE A LOT OF THE FIFTH OF THE FIFTH MONEY THAT HAS BEEN PROMISED TO TRANSIT, AND IT MOVES IT OVER TO THE COUNTY OF THE FIRST CLASS HIGHWAY FUND, WHICH IN THE PAST HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A. A LITTLE BIT OF A SLUSH FUND THAT THE LEGISLATURE THEN TAKES. SO INSTEAD OF BEING LIKE A LOCAL OPTION, IT'S NOW LOCAL OPTION COLLECTED. BUT THE STATE GETS TO DECIDE HOW THAT MONEY IS SPENT. THEY'VE DONE THAT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND I THINK THEY'RE SOMEWHERE IN THE REALM OF LIKE $30 MILLION THAT GOES INTO THAT THAT FUND. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS NOW FIFTH OF THE FIFTH MONEY, UP TO $5 MILLION TO BE SPENT ON REVITALIZING A HOW DO THEY PUT IT, REVITALIZING A CONVENTION CENTER OWNED BY THE COUNTY WITHIN A CITY OF THE FIRST CLASS. SO THAT APPLIES TO THE SALT PALACE. THAT APPLIES TO THE MOUNTAIN AMERICA EXPO CENTER. BUT IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT THE AMERICA EXPO CENTER.

I BELIEVE IT'S TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. WHAT IT ALSO DID IN HB 507 WAS WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST TOO, GOT RID OF, GOT RID OF THE FIZZ, GETS RID OF ALL OF THESE TOOLS THAT CITIES CAN USE AND KIND OF CREATES ONE. AND WHAT THIS, THIS IS GOING TO BE KIND OF A, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WITH

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IT'S IT'S SET NOW IN CODE THAT FOR REAL PROPERTY, IT'S AT 60%. AND FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY IT'S 80%. THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF THE TAX INCENTIVE YOU CAN GET. IS IT UP TO THAT OR IS THAT IT COULD BE UP TO THAT. BUT I, I THINK IT JUST IS THAT I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TAXING ENTITY COMMITTEES. AND SO LIKE WE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH THE STATE ON IF THE STATE WANTS BUY IN AND THEY WANT PART OF THE TAX INCREMENT, WE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH THE STATE ON WHAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE. BUT LIKE, WE DON'T NEGOTIATE TOGETHER WITH SCHOOL BOARDS. THAT'S CORRECT.

AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT IS CORRECT. SO I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOUR TRADITIONAL C R A PROCESS, IT WILL NOT BE USED VERY MUCH ANYMORE. SO AGAIN, THAT GETS RID OF HIS FIZZ.

HOPSI. MS. M Z I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT STANDS FOR ANYMORE. SO IT GETS RID OF ALL OF THESE AND JUST CREATES ONE PATH. YOU STILL HAVE THE TRADITIONAL CRA, YOU CAN STILL YOU CAN STILL DO THAT. THEY THE COUNTY IS ALLOWED JUST THE COUNTY IS ALLOWED TO SAY THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT. SO THE COUNTY CAN SAY THAT THEY ARE STILL INCLUDED. BUT NOW INSTEAD OF 60%, THEY ONLY HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE 30% OF JUST THEIR PORTION. OKAY. DID I MISS ANYTHING ON THAT? SO ADAM DID. THEY CAN'T SCHOOL DISTRICTS CAN'T OPT OUT. THEY HAVE NO. GOING AWAY. THAT WAS THE ONLY DEED RESTRICTION THAT TOOL THAT WE HAD. THEY DIDN'T YOU STILL HAVE YOU STILL HAVE DEED RESTRICTION TOOLS. YES. OKAY.

AND IN FACT, IN THIS. IN FACT, NO. IN HB 492. YEAH. THEY WANT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO.

THE LEGISLATURE IS ENCOURAGING DEED RESTRICTIONS IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS IN THIS BILL.

THEY HAVE COMMITTED $100 MILLION, SOME OF THIS FROM THE FIFTH OF THE FIFTH AND SOME THEY WANT YOU GOT TO GO BOND, FOR WHICH THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO. SO. IT'S OPENED UP $100 MILLION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT HAVE SOME SORT OF AFFORDABLE OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING COMPONENT TO THEM. THAT FITS A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. BUT IT ALSO KIND OF GIVES, IN MY OPINION, I DON'T KNOW HOW WRONG I AM YET, BUT IN MY OPINION, IT FINALLY GIVES CITY SOME LEVERAGE THAT IF WE'RE APPLYING TO THE STATE FOR SOME OF THIS MONEY, PART OF THAT IS WE'RE GOING TO NEED AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE HOUSING, AND YOU CAN DEED RESTRICT SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES. SO YOU WILL HAVE THAT TOOL. THE DEVELOPERS WILL UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL TRACKING THIS MONEY VERY, VERY CLOSELY. THIS IS HOW THIS IS HOW WEST JORDAN WILL BE GETTING INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY OVER THE NEXT YEAR. HOPEFULLY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE APPLICATIONS FOR CHUNKS OF THIS $100 MILLION FOR PROJECTS THAT WE REALLY NEED INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ROADS, SEWER AND WATER. SO THAT WILL BE HAPPENING. WE JUST MET WITH WEST JORDAN'S OTHER LOBBYISTS, LINCOLN SHIRTS TO KIND OF GAME PLAN THIS WHOLE SYSTEM OUT. HE'S BEEN REALLY INSTRUMENTAL IN, IN CRAFTING SOLUTIONS UNDER

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HE SEES THIS AS A GOOD WAY FOR HIM TO SEE HOW IT WORKS. SO WHAT CITIES ARE DOING. SO HE KNOWS THAT WHEN HE PROPOSES SOMETHING MULTIPLE CITIES LIKE OURS, LIKE WE DID, WE CALL THEM.

AND HEY, WE GOT SOME ISSUES WITH THIS. WHAT ARE YOU DOING? AND HE LIKES TO FIND OUT WHAT CITIES ARE DOING AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, SO HE CAN DECIDE WHAT CHANGES TO MAKE AND WHAT TO STUDY DURING THE INTERIM. SB 130 WAS SPONSORED BY SENATOR FILLMORE, AND THE FLOOR SPONSOR WAS REPRESENTATIVE ACTON. THIS IS RIVER RESTORATION AMENDMENTS. WHAT THIS DID IS APPROPRIATED $2 MILLION TO BE AVAILABLE FOR JORDAN RIVER PROJECTS. SO YOU WANT TO PUT A BOAT RAMP IN. YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN TRAILS. THIS IS MONEY THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR TO USE. WE CAN USE IT FOR MAYBE NOT HAVE A AN AREA BY 7800 THAT'S ALWAYS UNDER WATER. WE COULD USE MONEY FOR THAT. WE TECHNICALLY, YES. COULD I AND WE GOT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN A SEPARATE MEETING. BUT BUT YEAH, MONEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT. WE JUST THE BIGGEST ISSUE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IS WORK WITH UDOT AND FIGURE OUT A REAL SOLUTION FOR THAT. WE NEED TO DO THAT.

TRANSPORTATION GOVERNANCE AMENDMENTS. THIS IS SENATOR HARPER, SB 197. THIS COMPLETELY CHANGED THE THE MAKEUP OF UTA. SO THEY NO LONGER HAVE THREE, THREE MEMBER BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

THOSE ARE GONE. SO THEY THAT WILL PHASE OUT JULY 1ST. AND IT WILL BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BOARD WITH SEVEN MEMBERS, TWO APPOINTED BY THE. SPEAKER, TWO APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT. THE REST ARE APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR. THOSE THAT ARE APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR, LIKE SALT LAKE COG WOULD BE ABLE TO NOMINATE ONE OR SEVERAL PEOPLE, AND THE GOVERNOR WOULD HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM WHATEVER LIST HE'S PROVIDED. NO ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE ELIGIBLE TO SERVE ON THAT BOARD. THAT WAS THE STICKING POINT AT THE END WITH THE LEAGUE WITH COUNTIES. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY THEY STUCK. SO RIGHT NOW, OUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD IS IS CARLTON. HE REPRESENTS CARLTON CHRISTENSEN REPRESENTS SALT LAKE COUNTY. BUT THEY ARE ALL LEAVING. AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS THREE. YEAH. THEY'RE DIVIDED UP. WEAVER. YEAH.

WEAVER. DAVIS, SALT LAKE COUNTY TOOELE UTAH COUNTY HAVE THEIR OWN. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE GONE. THAT'LL CHANGE. J FOX WHO'S THE CURRENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. HE WILL BE THE THE BOSS. HE'S GOING TO RUN THE SHOW NOW WHICH IS NOT BEEN THE CASE TO THE GOVERNOR 71. THAT'S CORRECT. LUCKILY HE JUST SIGNED HIS CONTRACT EXTENSION BEFORE IT TOOK PLACE, JUST IN THE LAST BILL THAT I WOULD SAY WE REALLY FOUGHT HARD AGAINST. AND JOSH WAS A WAS A BIG PART OF THIS TOO, WAS TAUGHT AMENDMENTS. WE WERE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THIS TORT REFORM BILL THAT WE'RE COMING THROUGH THAT COULD REALLY NEGATIVELY IMPACT WEST JORDAN CITY, ALL CITIES AND EVERY BUSINESS EVER. BUT WE WERE REALLY NERVOUS ABOUT IT. IT GOT CIRCLED THE LAST WEEK THERE. THERE WAS TALK THAT IT WAS GOING TO PASS AT THE LAST MINUTE. SO EVERYONE WAS KIND OF SCRAMBLING. BUT THAT BILL NEVER ENDED UP GETTING UNCIRCLED IT DIED. THAT IS THE SESSION IN A NUTSHELL. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DIE DIED. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO PASS THAT WERE REALLY GOOD PASSED. AND SOME OF THE THINGS, SOME OF THE BILLS THAT PASSED WERE ABLE TO GET SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD LIVE WITH. BUT I THINK WEST JORDAN IS DID REALLY WELL THIS SESSION. AND IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THIS FUNDING, THEN WE'LL BE DOING

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LIKE USE TABLE TOOK ME ABOUT FIVE MINUTES WITH SOME AI HELP AND SOME AI. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY THING AS SOMEONE IN STAFF BRINGING SOME DEFINITIONS I EMAILED IT TO. EMAIL IT TO ME LAST NIGHT. THAT IS IT. TAYLOR. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING. IT WASN'T TAILORED. IT WAS. I KEEP THINKING IT'S GREG, BUT IT WASN'T GREG, I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS DUNCAN. OH, DUNCAN. DUNCAN, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE'LL NEED TO SHOWED IT TO HIM. HE GOES EMAIL. OKAY. MR. LI, YOU WANT TO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SCOTT AND PAUL WERE ENGAGING IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT YOU WANTED. SORRY. I'M LOOKING. I'M NOT LOOKING AT YOU. I'M LOOKING AT SCOTT. I SEE YOU, MAN. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DATE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STAFF. NEXT WEEK.

WE'RE READY. A WE WANT TO WE WANT TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT WE ALSO AS STAFF, WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU, RIGHT? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE RODEO ARENA COUNCIL, WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT ARE YOU AS A BODY WANTING TO SEE IN THIS INDUSTRIAL AREA? WHAT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USES, THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES, RESIDENTIAL ACREAGES, THE RATIOS, THE LOCATIONS. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE NEXT WEEK WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR STAFF TO POSE THOSE QUESTIONS TO YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE HAVE HAPPEN. SO THIS IS REALLY GOOD. A MEETING, A MEETING WHERE I SAID, I THINK WE WANT THE DEFINITIONS OF, OF WHAT WE WANT. SO ONCE THAT GETS AROUND, MAYBE THAT'LL COME TO US BEFORE THE MEETING. CAN WE COME SOUTHWEST FOR FOODS? YOU KNOW WHAT? I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF SOUTHWEST. RELATED GEAR I HAVE IS WESTERN STAMPEDE SHIRTS. AND THAT'LL WORK. THAT'LL WORK. SOUTHWEST AIRLINES STUFF. CUTE.

ALL RIGHT THEN, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING FURTHER TO DISCUSS ON THAT. BUT AGAIN, THAT CAN BE AN OPEN SOME EMAILS TO ME AS WE GET TO THAT. IF YOU'VE GOT IDEAS THAT INCLUDES MR. LI, YOU AND YOUR STAFF DO, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE IF YOU'VE GOT YOU WANT SO MUCH TIME AT THE BEGINNING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PLEASE LET ME, MR. ANDERSON, KNOW. WE'LL MAKE THAT AS WELL AGAIN AND AGAIN. THAT'LL BE AT 6:00 STARTING TIME. AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR OUR BUSINESS. SEEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, I WILL ADJOURN T

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