May 12, 2026 Committee of the Whole

[CALL TO ORDER]

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RIGHT, EVERYONE, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF WEST JORDAN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING. THIS IS FOR MAY 12TH, 2026. WE HAVE ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, AND MAYOR AND MANY MEMBERS OF STAFF WHO ARE TRYING TO ADJUST THE THERMOSTAT IN HERE. HERE'S THE IMPORTANT. WE DON'T WANT YOU TO LOSE YOUR COOL. BUT I THINK WHAT HAPPENS. IT'S SO HOT. WE'VE HAD THE FIRE CHIEF JOIN US. THAT'S THAT'S WHEN YOU KNOW IT'S HOT. SO WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN. BY JUST OUR DISCUSSIONS.

[a. Discussion on Proposed Amendments to the Landscape Ordinance Title 13 Chapter 13]

WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHITELOCK AND SHELTON HERE TO PRESENT. THANK YOU. I I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE MAYOR ON THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME. HOPEFULLY HE'LL. AND I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THE ONE THAT LEGAL FINALIZED DID NOT MAKE IT INTO THE PACKET. ALAN, DID YOU GIVE COPIES TO EVERYONE? OH, I'LL GO GET THEM. BEAR WITH ME. LET ME WORK ON THE POWERPOINT.

I NEED TO GO GET IT. WHERE IS IT? IT'S ON THE DESK WHERE I SENT SETS. SO THEY'RE REALLY NOT MANY CHANGES FROM WHAT YOU GOT IN THE PACKET. SO IF YOU READ THE ONE IN THE PACKET AND ALAN WILL HAVE THIS ONE ON THE SCREEN. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE FOR YOU AND AND FOR JESSICA AND ANNETTE. THIS THIS CAME ABOUT THE REASON I WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS IN THERE. I DID A RIDE ALONG WITH A NEW CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT WAS HIRED TO LOOK AT MAIN ROADS IN THE CITY. AND AS WE WERE DRIVING, HE INFORMED ME THAT THEY COULDN'T REALLY DO MUCH BECAUSE OF THE WORD IN OUR CODE. IT JUST DIDN'T TELL THEM THAT THEY HAD TO MAINTAIN THEIR LANDSCAPING. IT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION. AND SO THIS ONE TELLS THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEIR LANDSCAPING. EVERY RESIDENT HAS TO. CONDITIONAL, RIGHT? YEAH. AND IT AND IT'S IT'S BUSINESSES AND YEAH. OKAY. IT'S COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. AND SO I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE GETTING THE COPIES ON THE FIRST PAGE, THE PURPOSE THAT WAS ADDED IT THE IT VERY FEW WORDS WERE ADDED. IT SAYS. IT STARTS ABOUT TALKS ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND WATER EFFICIENT AND ATTRACTIVE LANDSCAPING THAT IS FREE FROM DEBRIS AND REFUGE AND IS MAINTAINED. SO THAT'S OUR GOAL, IS THAT WE HAVE MAINTAINED AREAS IN OUR CITY. THEN IF YOU GO TO LINE 62, IT CHANGES, CHANGES THAT. THE ONE THAT. DOES ANYBODY NOT HAVE A COPY THAT. ALAN. YES, I THINK WE'RE ALL GOOD NOW. UNDER 13, 135. ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION AND LANDSCAPING WITH IRRIGATION. THERE WAS A LOT IN IN THE CODE THAT DEALT WITH IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AND HOW THEY HAD TO BE. AND THE MAYOR FELT LIKE. THAT WE WERE BEING A LITTLE TOO MUCH PRESCRIPTIVE OF WHAT HAD TO BE DONE. SO SOME OF THAT'S BEEN REMOVED. MAYOR, DO YOU WANT TO JOIN US ON THE TABLE? YES. THANK YOU. AND THEN ON THE TABLE AT THE TABLE, SOME DANCING? I DON'T THINK SO. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT ON LINE 65, ALL DEVELOPED PROPERTIES ARE REQUIRED TO BE LANDSCAPED AND LANDSCAPING MAINTAINED. THEN THE NEXT PAGE ON 73, THE WORD CONDITIONS HAS BEEN ADDED. AND THEN WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO LINE 87. THIS IS MY QUESTION IS THE CITY RECOMMENDS THAT LANDSCAPE HAVE ENOUGH PLANTS. WHEN YOU WORK WITH THE JORDAN CONSERVANCY DISTRICT, THEY SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE 50% COVERAGE AT AT MATURITY. DO WE WANT OURS TO REFLECT THAT OR ARE WE OKAY JUST RECOMMENDING IT, OR DO WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT? AND THEN SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON NOTICED IS WE HAVE A CONTRIBUTION.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK HERE ON THIS PAGE ON 87, IT SAYS IT INCLUDES TREES. BUT IF YOU GO TO LINE 234. I THINK IT WAS. IN THE OLD ONE, IT WAS 238. 236, 244 IT'S 244. IT SAYS NOT

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IT HELPS WITH TRAFFIC CALMING. IF SOMEONE GOES OFF THE ROAD, THEY HIT A TREE THAT HELPS PREVENT THEM FROM GOING ALL THE WAY INTO A HOUSE OR A CHILD OR A CHILD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN IT OUT. IT HAS NOT BEEN THE CODE FOR A WHILE. IT WAS IN SINGLE FAMILY.

RESIDENTIAL IS NOT REQUIRED, SO PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES TO PUT THEIR OWN.

BUT THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR ALL OTHER TYPES OF COMMERCIAL. MULTI-FAMILY OFFICE SPECIFICALLY LANDSCAPED FOR MULTIPLE MULTI-FAMILY. YEAH. AND SO THE COMPROMISE THE TWO OF US WORKED OUT IS IF YOU DECIDE YOU DON'T WANT THEM IN THOSE PARTNERSHIPS, AND IF YOU GO TO THOSE OTHER AREAS, IT'S NOT A REAL ISSUE WITH THE SIDEWALKS AS MUCH AS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR SOME REASON. SO THE COMPROMISE THAT I DID, YOU SAID YOU LIKE THAT IS GOING WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE SIDEWALK ON THE INSIDE. SO WE STILL HAVE THE TREE. WHAT EXACTLY IS THE DEFINITION OF A TREE DOWN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB? OKAY, SO IT'S JUST SO SO THAT'S ONE AREA THAT WE KIND OF LIKE. WHAT IS YOUR DIRECTION? YEAH, YEAH, YOU, YOU ALL NEED TO WEIGH IN ON IT. IF YOU THINK THAT IN SOME AREAS WE SHOULD REQUIRE TREES AND PARK STRIPS, OR IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE JUST SAYING, THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT TREES BE PLACED WITHIN FIVE FEET TOWARDS THE BUILDING WHERE THEY DO A KAMAL THE SIDEWALK WHERE THEY GO. SO EVERY HOUSE GOT A. DRIVEWAY EXAMPLE. SO THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE CORNER JUST TOOK OUT ALL THE GRASS. NOW IT'S ALL JUST ROCKS. THAT'S IT. ROCKS. NO PLANTS AT ALL. NEXT ONE DOWN HAS ALL CEMENT, NO TREES, NO ROCKS. ALL CEMENT. OKAY, NEXT ONE TO ME HAS THREE TREES. ALL THREE TREES ARE 20 ISH YEARS OLD, AND ALL OF THEM ARE PUSHING THE SIDEWALK UP. MY PARKS ARE NOT VERY BIG. NO TREES, JUST GRASS. SO WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT PARK STRIPS THERE. I'M JUST GOING TO GO AND POLICE THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IT'S EVEN FOLLOWING THIS CODE. YEAH. SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE DON'T APPLY. OKAY. I'M JUST WONDERING WHY, WHY WE'RE EITHER WAY THIS THIS FEELING ON THE TREES, THE TREES DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD. THIS SECTION IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT BUSINESSES. IS IT THE PART WE'RE ON OUR BUSINESS MULTIFAMILY AND BUSINESSES. BUT WHAT THESE ARE SAYING IS WHEN YOU BUILD THOSE, YOU WILL PUT

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YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO REQUIRE A TREE IN ANY GIVEN SPOT OR NOT REQUIRE A TREE OR PROHIBIT A TREE IN ANY GIVEN SPOT. I WOULD PROBABLY LEAN TOWARDS IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A TREE IN A PARK STRIP, IT SHOULD BE ONE OF THESE TREES THAT WON'T BREAK THE SIDEWALK OR CAUSE PROBLEMS. THEY'RE GOING TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET AWAY. AND IT'S LESS OF AN ISSUE. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I REALLY WANT TO TELL PEOPLE YOU MUST OR YOU CAN'T TREE HERE OR THERE. WELL, OUR CODE ALREADY REQUIRES TREES, SO IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF IT, I DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF TREES.

HERE THAT STAFF HAVE TO SAY, I SEE. SCOTT RAISED HIS HAND. I THINK LARRY MIGHT HAVE AN OPINION TOO. I JUST WANT COUNCILMAN JACOB MAKES A REALLY GOOD POINT WITH THE REPORT.

SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NON RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY IS CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING THE RIGHT TREE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO TRUST YOU.

SIDEWALKS UP BECAUSE WE'VE REVIEWED EVERYTHING. IT'S IT'S WITHIN OUR RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO OUR URBAN FORESTER DOES REVIEW THOSE PLANS. AND IF IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TREE, THEN WE DO A RED LINE. AND, AND SO IT'S VASTLY DIFFERENT AS FAR AS THE UPFRONT INSTALLATION. AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER TALKED ABOUT THE WATERING. AGAIN, WE REVIEW ALL THOSE IRRIGATION PLANS THAT GO INTO OUR RIGHT. AND SO WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SET UP IN A WAY THAT WILL NOT HARM OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE OUR OWN BEST INTEREST, CITIZENS BEST INTEREST TO NOT HARM THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF OUR REVIEW PROCESS. WHEN WE GET THOSE NON RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS. SO I JUST WANT. BY THE WAY THE ACES BEEN RESET. SO YOU CAN PROBABLY FEEL THE DIFFERENCE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS TO SOMEBODY. COOL. YEAH. SO I LIKE THE FACT THAT SINCE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HERE, SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT AN INDIVIDUAL CAN'T DO SOMETHING, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. YEAH. SO WE'RE GOING INTO THE BUSINESS SIDE THAT WILL BE FOR THAT. THE THINGS GOING IN THE PARKING STRIP ARE GOING TO BE FROM OUR RECOMMENDED APPROVED LIST. I THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY. I DO LIKE TREES IN THE PARKING STRIP, ALTHOUGH MY WIFE TOOK OURS DOWN WITHOUT ASKING. AND THAT'S ON RECORD NOW. YES, LARRY, RECALL THE WATER EFFICIENCY STANDARDS. WE DON'T ALLOW SOD IN PARK STRIPS, PERIOD. AND SO. I THINK WE HAVE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND BUSINESS DISTRICTS. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM THE FLEXIBILITY JUST TO LANDSCAPING.

I'D RATHER HAVE SOME TYPE OF LANDSCAPING. YOU KNOW, I. UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COUNCIL WAS SAYING ABOUT SIDEWALKS. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT TREES DON'T HAVE A TENDENCY NOT. THOSE ARE MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I THINK, WHERE WE'RE NOT ALLOWING SOD IN PARKS. WE NEED SOME KIND OF PLANT MATTER IN THE PARKS DURING COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AREAS. OTHERWISE YOU GET WHAT? JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRICT AND ACROSS THE WORLD IT'S ALL MINERAL. SOME PEOPLE MIGHT LIKE.

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THE OTHER CHANGES ON 296 CHANGE CITY PARKS TO CITY'S PARKS, PUBLIC SERVICES. AND IF YOU GO TO 303. THIS JUST TALKS ABOUT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS. AND IF THERE ISN'T ONE, THEY'LL HAVE TO CREATE ONE TO TAKE CARE OF THE AREAS OF COMMON AREAS. THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO 316, AGAIN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MULTIFAMILY, INDUSTRIAL OFFICE, ALL OF THAT. IT ADDS OWNERSHIP AND OR PROPERTY MANAGER BECAUSE OFTENTIMES IT'S NOT THE OWNER, IT'S THE PROPERTY MANAGER. SO THAT'S JUST ADDED CLARIFICATION. WHEN YOU GO TO 327. WELL, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME LINES TAKEN OUT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD GET KUDOS FOR THAT. PATRICK. THAT'S. THIS IS READ. WE DON'T CARE. SO NOW IT JUST SAYS CITY EASEMENTS RIGHT OF WAY FRONT AND SIDE YARD PARK STRIP SHALL BE MAINTAINED BY THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNER. YES. IT'S A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. THIS ACCESS SHOULD BE CREATED FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE STREETSCAPE. AND SO HOW. WE DON'T ENFORCE IT UNLESS IT'S ON CITY PROPERTY. OKAY. SO THEN THE CITY WOULD CREATE THE NO. THE HOA WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. IF THEY DON'T HAVE ONE. IF THEY DON'T HAVE ONE, THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER SAYS, AND THIS WOULD DO IT UNLESS IT HAPPENS TO BE LIKE BEHIND ALL THE WALL OR SOMETHING LIKE ON 40TH WEST OR 48 WEST. THEN THE CITY MAINTAINS. OKAY. SO. 334 ALL PRIVATE PROPERTY LANDSCAPING SHALL BE MAINTAINED AS DEFINED IN THE TITLE AND THE TREES THAT THE MAYOR'S NEIGHBORS AND HIS NEIGHBOR LEFT THIS ONE THE MOST. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TREE MAINTENANCE AND PRUNING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND JUST FOR JUST PANNING OUT. WE HAVE REQUIRED, I THINK IT'S EIGHT FEET AND 14 FOOT. SO EIGHT FOOT FROM THE SIDEWALK, 14 FROM THE STREET TO 52 AND 350 YEAH, OKAY. BUT THAT'S EXISTING AND WE'RE REMOVING THE TENANT. WE'RE PUTTING THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE PROPERTY OWNER. OKAY, THIS IS WHERE I THINK YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I THOUGHT A LOT OF RENTERS. LIEUTENANT. YEAH, YEAH. WITH THE CITY BETWEEN THE CITY, IT'S A CITY RELATIONSHIP. IT HAS TO BE THE OWNER. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE WE CAN'T NOT RESPONSIBLE. SO. 347 JUST SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR SIDEWALKS BASICALLY PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT STRIP TAKING UP THREE QUARTERS OF THE SIDEWALK. COULD I JUST LISTEN TO CITY SIDEWALK? I JUST PUBLICLY REQUEST FROM OUR BELOVED MAYOR BURTON, COULD WE STEP UP THE ENFORCEMENT IN THIS AREA? THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I GOT INVOLVED IN THIS, BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE IT WORDED SO WE COULD IMPROVE THE ENFORCEMENT. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S NO WEEDS THERE, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IF THE LANDSCAPING IS EVERYTHING'S DEAD AND LOOKS TERRIBLE, THIS WILL REQUIRE THEM TO MAINTAIN THEIR LANDSCAPING WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT ENABLES US TO ACTUALLY STEP UP THAT ENFORCEMENT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? YEAH.

THIS CHANGE GIVES US SOME TEETH FOR OUR MY, MY WIFE AND I ARE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO LEAVE THE SIDEWALK IN ORDER TO CONTINUE OUR WALK. WE WANT TO WALK ALMOST EVERY NIGHT, AND WE'RE ALWAYS HAVING TO LEAVE THE SIDEWALK IN ORDER TO, TO WALK AROUND EITHER VEHICLE OR A SHRUB OR A TREE THAT'S ONLY TWO FEET ABOVE THE SIDEWALK. SO BUT IT'S ALSO IT'S ALWAYS A CITY OWNED TREE OR SHRUB THAT IS. YOU KNOW, THE TEXT. SO YEAH, ZACH HAS REPORTED SOME OF THOSE FOR US BECAUSE HE WOULD DO HIS JOGGING IN HIS HEAD. AND IT'S A GOOD TIME. AND THEY, I DID MENTION, I KNOW THIS IS OFF TOPIC, BUT WE HAVE SOME WORK ON THE REPORT A PROBLEM. YES, I'M

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YOU'RE SAYING HE'S GOING TO CHANGE IT BEFORE YOU CAUGHT THAT? THANK YOU. IT'S EASIER TO ENFORCE. THANK YOU LARRY. WHY IS THAT EASIER TO ENFORCE. THIS IS EASY TO GET. A FOUR FOOT THREE INCH POLE ISN'T A FOUR FOOT TALL POLE AND STICK IT IN THE BUSHES. YEAH, BUT IF YOU TELL PEOPLE FOUR FEET FOR THEM TO SELF ENFORCE, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY AFTER IS. SO ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH VERBIAGE TO SEND IT ON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? JUST REALLY THE QUESTION HERE. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING OR IF YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IN HERE THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE, OR WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE INCREASE IN PARK STRIPS FOR THOSE AREAS? AFTER HEARING STAFF FROM THE MAYOR MAKE THEIR EXPLANATIONS ON THE TREE, I THINK I WOULD BE OKAY TO TO GO TO GO WITH THE MULTIFAMILY BUSINESS, WHICH IS REQUIRED. YEAH, IT'S MULTIFAMILY AND BUSINESSES. YEAH. THIS IS NEW DEVELOPMENT THOUGH. THIS IS NOT EXISTING. ANYBODY WHO'S GOT WHATEVER THEY'VE GOT IS GRANDFATHERED IN TO, TO EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE MAINTAIN. THE OTHER QUESTION SHALL MAINTAIN IS IF INSTEAD THEY HAVE TO REMOVE IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH ANOTHER TREE, OR YOU JUST HAVE TO. THAT'LL MAKE THE CITY A LOT MORE COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF TREES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT THIS YEAR. WE'VE ALREADY PUT IN. TWO TREES.

SO THE OTHER QUESTION IS ON LINE 87. DO WE WANT IT TO BE RECOMMENDS OR THAT THEY WILL HAVE ENOUGH? IF YOU HAVE THAT I RECOMMEND DOESN'T HAVE ANY TEETH AT ALL. AND IS THERE IS THERE WORDING IN HERE ON WHAT LIKE THE ENFORCEMENT WILL BE THE CONSEQUENCES OF A SEPARATE SECTION, A SEPARATE SECTION THAT'S NOT IN THEIR RECOMMENDS? YEAH, I DON'T INSISTS THE CITY INSISTS I DON'T GET A LOT DONE WHEN I RECOMMEND MY KIDS. A STRONGLY WORDED LETTER. MY BIGGEST ISSUE. ON ANOTHER LINE THE. YEAH. SO CHANGING THE WORDING ON THAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD. SO DUNCAN WAS THE ATTORNEY THAT WORKED ON THIS. IF YOU HAD A WORD THAT YOU'D RECOMMEND DUNCAN OR JUST STICK WITH THE SHOW SAYS. IT WAS GONNA PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN FOR US. FOR 87. THAT'S FROM THEIR WEBSITE, WATER EFFICIENCY STANDARDS. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PERCENTAGE. THAT'S ON THAT SCREEN. IT'S ON THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S ARTWORK. OH, NO, THIS IS THIS IS JORDAN VALLEY. I'M LOOKING AT THE WATER EFFICIENCY STANDARDS.

YEAH. I'M. BECAUSE I THINK JORDAN VALLEY ALSO SAYS RECOMMENDS OR ENCOURAGES. I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY I JUST KNOW THE LADY, THE LADY THAT I SPOKE TO AT US TOLD ME THAT IF THEY,

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IT'S JUST THE TRUNK FOR GENERAL LANDSCAPING. THAT'S MY QUESTION. BECAUSE IN IN ONE SECTION HERE IT SAYS THE CANOPY OF THE TREE CAN BE USED AS COVERAGE IN THE PARKING LOT IN A PARKING LOT.

THANKS. ANOTHER SECTION SAYS IT CAN'T. PARKING LOT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE CANOPY. OKAY. BUT IN THE MULTIFAMILY BUSINESS IT DOES. A CANOPY CAN BE INCLUDED. SO. SO IT'S FOR THEIR REGULAR LANDSCAPE AREA, HOW MUCH PERCENTAGE THEY ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE. LIKE VEGETATION. I THINK THE WORD THEY USED WAS ENCOURAGE. HERE IT SAYS RECOMMEND, BUT THAT'S JUST PARTNERSHIPS. BUT I THINK THE OTHER ONE SAID ENCOURAGE 50%. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT TALKED ABOUT. OR NOT. BUT OKAY, WELL IT IS RECOMMENDED. EXPLAIN TO ME THE DIFFERENCE. IF NOT, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS THE SAME THING I JUST THE GREEK ROOT, LATIN ROOT COUNCIL. WHILE YOU'RE DISCUSSING THIS, THERE IS A STATE RULE R 65311 WHICH IS HOW THE GRANTS ARE FUNDED FOR LIKE SLOW THE FLOW AND REBATES ON FLIP YOUR STRIPS. SO WE WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE NEEDS TO BE COMPLIANT WITH WHAT THE STATE RULE IS. AND THEN FOR JORDAN VALLEY WATER TO HAVE THE.

IT'S NOT DISCOUNTED, BUT IT'S TO GET THE GOOD PRICING REBATE. RIGHT. WELL, NO, THE REBATE IS MORE THE STATE RULE. JORDAN VALLEY WATER TO GET THE RATES THAT WE CONTINUE TO GET FOR WATER PURCHASES NEED TO COMPLY WITH THIS. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE DUNCAN COMPLIES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR WORDING, THAT'S ALMOST WORD FOR WORD. OUR WORD. IS THAT THEIR THAT'S THEIR THAT'S THEIR RIGHT THERE. THIS IS JORDAN VALLEY'S WATER EFFICIENCY MODEL. ORDINANCE PROPORTION SAYS NOT. OURS DOESN'T MAKE. EXCEPT FOR PARKING LOTS. SO YOU NEED TO HAVE BOTH OF THOSE. YOU HAVE TO MATCH BOTH OF THOSE JORDAN VALLEY WATER AND THE STATE SO THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN APPLY FOR REBATES. AND WE GET THE CONTINUED PRICING ON JORDAN VALLEY. SO CAN YOU FIND OUT WHAT THOSE ARE FOR US IN THE MEANTIME? AND THEN BEFORE IT COMES FOR IT, BEFORE IT GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION, WE CAN MAKE SURE. THAT THE TWO OF US. UNLESS YOU WANT THEM TO. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, CHAIR. ALL RIGHT.

BUT WE I THINK WE AGREE. WE LIKE THE DIRECTION OF THIS. AND MY CONCERN IS THE ACQUIRING A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION MEMBER. I SEE THAT RAISES THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF MY NECK AS LONG AS I HAVE HAIR. SO IT'S I NOTICE IT A LOT. I HAVEN'T SEEN YOUR BACK, SO I DON'T WANT TO. WHICH LINE? THREE, THREE AND FOUR AND FIVE. BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK IT'S. YEAH, IT'S IT FEELS A LITTLE HEAVY HANDED. SO WOULD YOU JUST REQUIRE THE THE OWNER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS. I JUST KNOW THAT ACQUIRING AN HOA TO BE CREATED AND A BUNCH OF PEOPLE PAYING INTO IT, IF IT EXISTS, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO CREATE IT. IF IT EXISTS. IF ONE IF ONE DOES NOT EXIST, ONE SHALL BE CREATED. YEAH. KEEP GOING. THE LORAX WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN. SO A REMINDER THIS IS FOR THE STREETSCAPE FOR LANDSCAPE AND THE WALLS HERE AND THEN THE LANDSCAPE. IF, SAY, FOR INSTANCE, IF JONES RANCH DOES NOT HAVE AN HOA, THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO EACH ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNER TO MAINTAIN THAT STREETSCAPE BEHIND THEIR FENCE. YEAH. SO JUST THINK ABOUT IT. HOAS DO SERVE A USEFUL PURPOSE

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IT'S IT'S THE WHOLE IT'S NOT JUST ONE AREA, IT'S EVERYBODY WHO DRIVES DOWN AN ARTERIAL STREET. YEAH. DOWN THAT STREET. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REQUIRING PEOPLE TO PAINT THEIR WALLS A CERTAIN COLOR OR HAVE A CERTAIN KIND OF FENCE, BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE AN ARTERIAL STREET. HAVING MISMATCHED FENCES. IF WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO STEP IN AND REQUIRE THIS LANDSCAPING AREA TO BE THERE, THEN I THINK IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THE DIFFERENT HOAS MIGHT DO DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THAT MAY BE TOO. WELL, IT'S JUST CREATING AN HOA. IT'S LIKE A CAMEL'S NOSE IN THE TENT. YES. IT'S JUST TO MAINTAIN THIS, BUT ONCE YOU'VE GOT THE HOA THERE, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE START THINKING THAT THEY'RE THEY GOT SOME POWER. LARRY. THEN ANOTHER NUANCE THING TO THINK ABOUT IS IVORY DEVELOPMENT IS DOING DRY CREEK AS MAY PREFER TO HAVE AN HOA MAINTAIN THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE CITY TO MAINTAIN.

THEY DON'T LIKE THE LEVEL OF CITY MAINTAINS. WHAT AN INSULT. WOW. SO SAME THING WITH SAME THING WITH TERRAIN. THEY WANT IT MAINTAINED BY THE AGENT. SO I THINK I THINK YOU KNOW I UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN JACOBS POINT THAT YOU GET THESE LARGE, EXPANSIVE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE A LOT OF HOMES TO SELL OVER A LOT OF YEARS. THEY WANT CONTROL.

COUNCILMEMBER, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT A COMPROMISE WHERE IF THE HOA OWNS THE PROPERTY, THEY MAINTAIN IT. THE CITY OWNS THE CITY MAINTAINS. RIGHT. THAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS. YEAH. RIGHT.

IF THERE'S IF THERE'S ALREADY AN HOA AND THE PROPERTY MAINTAINS THE HOA DOESN'T OWN THE PROPERTY. THE CITY OWNS THE CITY. YEAH. CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WHEN DEVELOPMENTS ARE CREATED, THE HOA OWNS PROPERTIES INSTEAD OF PARKS? GROUPS ARE NORMALLY DEDICATED AS PART OF THE RIGHT OF. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE OWNED BY AN HOA. PARKS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUFFER STREETS, THE STREETS, THE WALL, AND THE DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY IS OFTEN ALL THE WAY TO THE WALL. YEAH IT IS. SO THAT IS CITY OWNED PROPERTY. WE ALSO HAVE UTILITIES FOR. YEAH. I MEAN, IT IS OFTEN CITY PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE WATER ON IT. HOA SO THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING. THE EASEMENT ON IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

IT'S USUALLY DEALT WITH WHEN WE. WHEN THE SUBDIVISION WAS PLATTED, A NOTE WILL INDICATE THAT THE HOA IS RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN. I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO REALLY BE A BIG ISSUE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING TO PUT IN A STREETSCAPE LIKE THAT IS ALREADY GOING TO HAVE AN HOA FOR OTHER REASONS. HAS IT BEEN AN ISSUE? LIKE, DO WE HAVE AREAS THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE? BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE. I THINK THAT IF THE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING IN AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN THAT KIND OF SEATS STREETSCAPE, THEY'RE ALREADY PUTTING IN AN HOA. WELL, I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE COPPER HILLS PARKWAY. YES, THAT SO THAT THE CITY MAINTAINS THAT. ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE CITY MAINTAINS. YEAH. CITY MAINTAINS NORMALLY. AND WE'VE KIND OF REVERTED FROM THE WAY WE DO THINGS NOW. BUT THE ONLY TIME THIS WAS AN ISSUE WAS, I THINK IT WAS A PRAIRIE HOMES DEVELOPMENT ON 5600 WEST OR RIGHT. WHEN YOU GO IN, THERE'S ABOUT A QUARTER ACRE OF ATTENTION ON THEM. WE REQUIRED THEM TO CREATE AN HOA TO MAINTAIN THAT. I BELIEVE THE MAYOR WAS ASSAULTED ABOUT THAT.

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IT HASN'T BEEN A LARGE STREETSCAPE AREA. WHERE THE REST OF YOU THINK. I'M FINE WITH THAT. I'M FINE HAVING IT IN. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG PROBLEM. I'M NOT A FAN OF IT. SO MAJORITY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS DRAFTED? YES, I THINK SO. YEAH. I MEAN, WE GOT THUMBS UP. WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE TREES IN THE PARK? IF YOU DON'T WANT YOU DON'T WANT THE FIVE FOOT. YOU WANT TO KEEP THE TREES IN THE PARK, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT AS STRICT. THAT'S LINE 117. THAT'S A LOT OF THAT'S A COUPLE. I THINK WE WERE OKAY WITH THE PARTNERSHIP. IS THERE A THING THAT WE CAN. BECAUSE SOME WAY WE'RE LETTING THEM DECIDE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO LANDSCAPE THEIR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

WE DON'T REQUIRE IT. THEY GET TO CHOOSE ALL THEIR OTHER PROPERTIES WE DO REQUIRE. NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WHEN THOSE PROPERTIES COME TOGETHER, THEY COULD COME TOGETHER WITH A LANDSCAPING IDEA ALREADY PUT IN AND THE CITY HAS TO. YEAH. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, DO WE ARE WE FORCING THEM TO PUT ONE IN THE PARKING STRIP SAYING THAT THAT IS AN OPTION TO PUT TREES IN EITHER IN THE PARKING STRIP OR WITHIN FIVE FEET. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO QUESTION. IS IT EITHER OR. YEAH. SO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT'S EITHER OR.

THAT'S WHAT I COULD REMEMBER. WHICH WAY DO YOU WANT IT TO BE WORDED? I LIKE THE EITHER OR BECAUSE THAT WAY THEY MAY WANT A LANDSCAPE, SOMETHING THAT'S THEY'VE GOT THIS BIG SIGN KIND OF THING THEY WANT AND THAT THAT AREA, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO LANDSCAPE IT WITHOUT A TREE BLOCKING THEIR SIGN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I LIKE THE EITHER OR FOR ME THAT AT LEAST GIVES THEM AN OPTION. WE KNOW WE, WE'RE GETTING SOME TREES WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE SIDEWALK. SO THAT'S FOUR, 500FT. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT THAT'S, I MEAN, FOR ME, I'M GOOD WITH EITHER OR. AND THAT'S MY COMPROMISE. I PREFER IT IN THE PARK. I A COUPLE NIGHTS STAFF PREFERS THE PARK STRIP, BUT WE'LL DO WHAT THE COUNCIL SAYS SO I'LL PUT IT IN THE PARK.

RIGHT. THEY CAN CHOOSE. WE COULD SAY EITHER OR WE RECOMMEND THE CITY INSISTS LIKE JORDAN VALLEY. YEAH. SEE THAT WAY, THAT WAY YOU GET TO RECOMMEND IN THERE. BUT WE ALSO GOT OUR THING THAT YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. OKAY, SO LET'S GET A COUNT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. NOW THIS THIS IS ON EVERYTHING. OR WOULD THAT ONE PART WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH THE EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE? OKAY, COOL.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I'M GOOD TO MOVE. FOR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE FROM THIS. AND LARRY, AGAIN, CAN I INTERRUPT BEFORE YOU CAN? YOU'RE DOING IT COUNCIL IN PARTICULAR, AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS A MENTOR. MEGAN JENSEN LEFT THE CITY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO TO GO WORK IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. BUT THIS IS HANNAH KILGUS. SHE'S A NEW PLANNER WITH US. SHE STARTED YESTERDAY. AND SO I EXPECT THESE ARE THE ELECTED PEOPLE THAT THE CITY. SHE MUST HAVE ENJOYED IT. SHE CAME BACK TODAY. YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD SIGN.

SO I EXPECT YOU TO PEPPER HER WITH QUESTIONS. AND SHE'S ALREADY. SHE'S ALSO. WELCOME HANNAH. IN THE FUTURE, YOU MAY MISS ME. THAT'D BE GREAT. GREAT. EXCITED TO HAVE HER BACK TOMORROW TO. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THAT GOT PUT INTO THIS. SO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHITELOCK AND SHELTON AND WORKING WITH THE MAYOR AND GETTING THE MAYOR TO COMPROMISE. SO IT'S NOT EASY TO DO. ALWAYS GOOD AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE STAFF INPUT ON THIS AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT WE

[b. Property Tax Impact Schedule for FY2027]

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[c. Discussion of the Fiscal Year 2027 Tentative Budget]

ALL RIGHT. SO JUST A REMINDER OF THE PRIORITIES FOR YOUR BUDGET, WHICH AGAIN, WE'LL JUST USE A SLIDE ON A REGULAR BASIS TO REMIND EVERYONE WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES WERE TOGETHER AS ELECTED OFFICIALS. VERY CUTE SLIDE. DO YOU LOVE IT? ISN'T IT FUN? I LOVE AI, SO TALKING A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE GENERAL FUND. YOU'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH QUITE A FEW OF THE DEPARTMENTS, ALMOST ALL OF THEM THAT ARE NOT IN UNDER THE PUBLIC WORKS KIND OF UMBRELLA. BUT SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME SUMMARIES UP FRONT ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND.

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE REVENUE SIDE OR SUMMARIES, AND THEN ALLOW THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO COME UP ONE AT A TIME AND TALK ABOUT THEIR BUDGET WITH YOU. I'VE MADE SLIDES FOR EACH DEPARTMENT, AND IT JUST KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY THAT'S IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK, BUT THAT ISN'T MEANT TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SAY, OKAY, UP NEXT, UP NEXT, UP NEXT. SO THIS FIRST SLIDE IS OUR RESERVES IN THE GENERAL FUND. NOW IN THE LEGISLATURE, THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT CHANGING THE AMOUNTS ALLOWED IN RESERVES 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO. IT WAS 18%, WHICH WAS PRETTY LOW. AND THEN THERE WERE THE ECONOMIC CHALLENGES THAT HAPPENED IN 2008. AND THEY SAID, OH, MAYBE THAT'S NOT ENOUGH RESERVES. MAYBE WE NEED TO GO TO 35%. SO THEY IMMEDIATELY DOUBLED THE RESERVE AMOUNT, AND THAT'S BEEN SET IN STONE FOR A WHILE. SO YOU CAN'T GO BELOW 5% OF YOUR ANNUAL REVENUES OR ABOVE 35% OF YOUR ANNUAL REVENUES AS RESERVES. WE ARE SITTING RIGHT AT ABOUT 25%, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT IT'S LOOKED LIKE SINCE 2020. SO IN 2020, WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF INFLUX OF FEDERAL MONEY COMING IN. WE UTILIZED THAT FOR ONE TIME PURCHASES AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND FUNDING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS, WHICH THEN DIVERTED MONEY OVER INTO THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. SO YOU CAN SEE WE WERE AT ABOUT $11.6 MILLION, WHICH WAS ABOUT 18% OF OUR REVENUES THAT YEAR. AND THEN IT JUST STARTED TO BUILD AS WE KEPT GETTING GRANTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, ARPA MONEY, OUR RESERVES BUILT HIT A 35% LEVEL. AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR, I ASKED FOR THE COUNCIL'S PERMISSION TO BRING THOSE RESERVES DOWN BY TRANSFERRING FUNDS OVER TO THE CIP FUND. SO THERE WASN'T A BIG INFLUX OF SPENDING. IT WAS REALLY THAT WE JUST TRANSFERRED IT OVER INTO THE CIP FUND SO IT COULD GO TO WORK FOR OUR RESIDENTS IN IMPROVEMENTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE BROUGHT THAT RESERVES LEVEL DOWN, AND NOW WE'VE KIND OF JUST HELD IT STEADY. YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THIS IS THE NUMBER OF DAYS OF RESERVES THAT WE WOULD HAVE, RIGHT? SO ABOUT 104 DAYS ARE EXPECTED IN THE CURRENT BUDGET.

PERFECT. ALMOST. YEAH. JUST A LITTLE LOWER. OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUE. I, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THESE CHARTS SIDE BY SIDE HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT $81.94 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND REVENUE. YOU CAN SEE THAT 1.6 MILLION OF THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ONE TIME REVENUE. THE REST OF IT IS CONSIDERED ONGOING REVENUE, 41% OF IT, OR THE MAJORITY IS SALES TAX. WE ARE VERY SALES TAX DEPENDENT. AND THAT REVENUE, WHILE THE PERCENTAGE HAS DECREASED TO THE REVENUE, HAS STAYED STEADY OVER TIME. FOR THE LAST 3 TO 4 YEARS, IT HASN'T REALLY INCREASED HARDLY AT ALL. SO AS THAT DOES NOT INCREASE OUR DEPENDANCE ON SALES TAX DECREASES BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO LIVE IN OTHER PLACES, 29% OF OUR REVENUES ARE

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OTHER TAXES, OUR FRANCHISE TAXES, CABLE ENERGY TAX, ROOM TAX AND VEHICLE SALES TAX THAT COMES IN ON THAT 15% AND THEN OTHER REVENUES, 10% TRANSFERS IN FROM THE UTILITY FUND MAKE UP 3% OF OUR TOTAL REVENUES. AND THEN ONE TIME IS 2% LEASE VEHICLE SALES OUTSIDE OF REGULAR SALES TAX. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO FOR US. THEY JUST REPORT DIFFERENTLY. SO THERE'S A SEPARATE LINE. IT'S CALLED VEHICLES IN LIEU OF AND IT'S REGISTRATIONS BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME PERCENTAGE REGISTRATIONS OR SIX REGISTRATIONS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. REGISTRATIONS ANNUAL REGISTRATIONS I APOLOGIZE. SALES ARE INCLUDED IN OUR SALES TAX. NEW SALES.

YES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SALES TAX REVENUE NUMBER HAS STAYED RELATIVELY THE SAME ON THE PERCENTAGES DROPPING. RIGHT. THAT MAKES IT SO I HAVE THAT BACKWARDS IN MY HEAD. I THOUGHT NO THIS PERCENTAGE SHOULD BE DROPPING NOT INCREASING. IT IS DROPPING. IT IS DROPPING. YES YES. YEAH. THAT SLIDE ON PROPERTY TAX. YES. WHY IS THAT NUMBER DIFFERENT THAN THE NUMBER ON PAGE 63. BECAUSE INCLUDES ALL OF THESE RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT WAS THE QUESTION ZACH CALLED ME ABOUT. AND I THOUGHT I MAY MAKE THE SLIDE FOR EVERYBODY. SO YOU'LL SEE PROPERTY TAX THE BASELINE RIGHT. SO THE BASELINE IS THE AMOUNT SET BY THE CERTIFIED TAX RATE.

THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WE CAN'T GO OVER. IT WILL CHANGE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF ROUNDING.

OR IF SOMEBODY HAS APPEALED THEIR VALUE IN THE DURING THE YEAR, THAT WILL AFFECT OUR BASELINE AS WELL. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THERE'S THE BASELINE PROPERTY TAX THAT WAS THE CERTIFIED TAX RATE INCREASE, WHICH WOULD BE A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. AND THE NEW GROWTH THAT OCCURRED DURING THE YEAR. AND THEN THAT SETS YOU SEE THAT TURNED PURPLE, THAT NUMBER 218 50 WAS ACTUALLY 0.37% LOWER THAN OUR BASELINE THE PREVIOUS YEAR, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS APPEALS OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT HAPPENS EVERY NOW AND THEN. THAT 21, 850 SHOULD HAVE MOVED UP ONTO THAT BASELINE. IF YOU FOLLOW THAT GREEN ARROW AND STARTED AT 21, 850, BUT AGAIN, APPEALS HAPPEN. MILLION DOLLARS OF APPEALS. WELL, YEAH, NO, 100,000 OR 50, 60,000 FROM 218 50 TO 27. OH, YES. I'M SORRY.

THERE WAS THAT WAS A VERY LARGE APPEAL, ONE VERY LARGE. I GOTCHA. OKAY. ONE OF OUR INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES APPEALED THEIR ORIGINAL VALUATION AND ONE OTHER ONE, IT WAS A ONE BIG.

AND THEY WON. AND THEY WON. YES. WHERE DOES THE ANNEXED PROPERTY GO? IN THAT SUBDIVISION THAT WAS ANNEXED IN THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPEFUL FOR. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT TOO, BECAUSE WE REALLY DIDN'T SEE IT IN A LOT OF WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. SO BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOT REAL NUMBERS YET, RIGHT. I'M HOPEFUL THAT IT'S GOING TO BRING IN SOMETHING. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE OUR POPULATION NUMBER DID NOT CHANGE. SO THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IT DOES NOT. SO HOW DO WE APPEAL. ON THAT. ACTUALLY I'M WORKING ON IT. SO THE POPULATION CAN BE ONE OF THE THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND THOUGH AS THAT HAPPENS IT'S A LOT LIKE NEW GROWTH, RIGHT? IT'S KIND OF LIKE NEW GROWTH. HOW IT HITS THE CITY IS THAT NEW GROWTH IS NOT A WINDFALL OF MONEY. IT'S ALSO A WINDFALL OF PEOPLE WHO NEED STUFF. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TEMPTED TO LOOK AT, OH, LOOK AT OUR NEW GROWTH IS BRINGING IN ALL THIS MONEY. YEAH. IT'S ALSO BRINGING ALL THIS DEMAND FOR SERVICE EXPENSE.

SURE. RIGHT. WE'LL ALSO STOP RIGHT AT SOME POINT. I MEAN, I WAS I WENT TO GROWTH WILL EVENTUALLY STOP. I WENT OUT WITH MURRAY CITY'S FINANCE DIRECTOR LAST WEEKEND AND SHE SAID, YEAH, OUR NEW GROWTH IS NOTHING LIKE THEY JUST DON'T GET ANY NEW GROWTH. YEAH, YEAH YEAH YEAH. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE INCREASED NEW GROWTH THE NUMBER AND THAT DECREASED. AND THEN IT GOES BACK UP INTO OUR BUDGET. SO WE'RE ASSUMING 21.1. BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE IF SOMEBODY APPEALED OR SOMETHING ELSE WE'LL HAVE THAT NUMBER MAY CHANGE. THEN OUR INCREASE IS HALF A MILLION. AND I FORGOT A DECIMAL POINT, BUT NEW GROWTH IS 700. WE'RE ESTIMATING 750 SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 26. BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL LATER IN THE YEAR. SO DOES THAT. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WE DON'T KNOW HIS ANSWER. YEAH. SALES TAX. I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION AS WELL

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AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON BECAUSE WE BUILT MORE THAN 70 HOMES LAST YEAR. SO WE FELT WE HAD A COUPLE HUNDRED. YEAH, I WAS PRETTY SURE THERE'S AT LEAST ONE PERSON LIVING AT HOME.

SCOTT AND I ARE WORKING ON MAKING SURE THE LEAGUE AND THE POPULATION COMMITTEE AT LEAST GET ACCURATE NUMBERS, AND WE GET A CHECK BACK SEVERAL YEARS THAT ARE THAT WE HAVE BEEN GETTING ACCURATE NUMBERS BECAUSE WHEN WE SAW THAT, IT JUST DIDN'T FEEL RIGHT, IT'S NOT RIGHT. THERE'S NO WAY. WE'RE NOT THE ONLY KIND OF SEE HERE WHAT INFLUENCE THAT HAS, RIGHT? DIRECT MEANS THAT'S THE HALF PERCENT THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE 1%, RIGHT. SO IT'S SPLIT IN HALF. YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT LAST YEAR WE GREW 3.21% ON OUR DIRECT SALES REVENUE. BUT WE'VE DROPPED A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR. AND AND WE'RE GOING TO DROP A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A RESTRICTION. PEOPLE MIGHT SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THINGS COST MORE. SO YOU SHOULD GET MORE SALES TAX. BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY TRUE. WHERE SALES TAX COMES FROM IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY PEOPLE HAVE TO SPEND. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH THINGS COST.

THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BUY LESS OF WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE BUYING. SO BUT THEN PEOPLE ALSO SPEND LESS BECAUSE IT COST TOO MUCH, RIGHT? BECAUSE THINGS COST MORE. AND SO THEY'RE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS DIFFERENTLY, RIGHT? DO I WANT TO BUY TWO GALLONS OF MILK OR DO I WANT TO BUY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ELSE? BECAUSE DISCRETIONARY INCOME OR EXPENDABLE INCOME GOES UP. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THAT'S JUST A MINDSET FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, RIGHT? TO SAY, WELL, PRICES WENT UP, SO YOU SHOULD BE GETTING MORE SALES TAX. WELL, THAT DOESN'T WORK. I THINK THAT AT $110 EACH INSTEAD OF TEN THINGS AT $100. EXACTLY. YEAH.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT POPULATION COMPONENT THERE. AND THEN THE FEES THAT THE TAX COMMISSION CHARGES US FOR DOING THE PLEASURE OF DISTRIBUTING SALES TAX. CHARGES THAT THEY CHARGE US MORE, ALMOST $600,000. YEAH, YEAH, THEY CHARGE US A LOT OF MONEY. ANYWAY. LET'S

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SO YOU'LL GET THESE SLIDES ON YOUR PACKET OR ALAN WILL SEND THEM OUT AS WELL. BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OVER THERE, I KIND OF DEFINED WHAT'S IN PUBLIC SERVICES AND PUBLIC WORKS. AND MOSTLY IF ANYBODY LOOKS AT THIS. SO IT'S EASY FOR THEM TO GO, OH, THAT'S PARKS OR OH, THAT'S STREETS. OKAY. AND YOU CAN SEE COURTS HERE IS 3% AND THEN OTHER IS 3% AS WELL. AND OTHER IS NOT GENERAL GOVERNMENT. IT'S LIKE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION, NON-DEPARTMENTAL DEBT AND TRANSFERS OUT ONLY BECAUSE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION IS JUST KIND OF A STANDALONE OUT THERE.

NOW. SCOTT'S ABANDONED THEM AND GONE TO HIS OWN FUND. BUT THIS WAS INTERESTING, RIGHT? PUTTING THEM SIDE BY SIDE CAN REALLY TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? YOU CAN SEE THAT SALES TAX PIECE OF PIE. YOU CAN SEE THE POLICE PIECE OF PIE. YOU CAN SEE THAT PROPERTY TAX AND YOU CAN SEE FIRE. AND PUBLIC WORKS WOULD EQUAL 29% THERE. SO I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD DETERMINATION OF WHEN YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS ABOUT WHERE THEIR TAX DOLLARS GO, THIS IS WHERE THEY GO. IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION TO HAVE. WHENEVER SOMEBODY BRINGS UP RIVERTON DOESN'T HAVE A PROPERTY TAX. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND RIVERTON HAS A PROPERTY TAX FOR BOTH FIRE AND POLICE, RIGHT? YEAH. SO YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT.

PROPERTY TAX WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT IT IS NOW. RIGHT. THIS IS OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR THE GENERAL FUND. WE'RE HOLDING RESERVES AT A STEADY BALANCE. BUT WITH THOSE ASSUMPTIONS. SO RESERVES ARE AT 25%. WE'RE ASSUMING 3.5% SALES TAX INCREASE. NOW WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN FOUR YEARS. THIS IS A LITTLE OPTIMISTIC, PROBABLY MORE OPTIMISTIC THAN I MIGHT BE FOR THE NEAR FUTURE. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME ONE TIME MONEY THAT WE CAN KIND OF KEEP LIFTING WITH. IT ASSUMES A 6.5% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. IT ASSUMED EVERY YEAR, AND IT ASSUMES PERSONNEL AT 4% INCREASE ON INCREASE, WHICH WOULD BE HEALTH CARE BENEFITS.

AND THEN THE MERIT PROGRAM AND OPERATIONS INCREASING AT 3%, WHICH AGAIN, IS A LITTLE OPTIMISTIC AS WELL AS WE'VE SEEN FUEL COSTS INCREASE AT 30% AT THIS POINT, PROPERTY TAX REVENUE DEDICATED. SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS CONTINUING THAT SAME THING THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WHICH IS $100,000 FOR POLICE, 125,000 FOR PARKS AND 75,000, I'M SORRY FOR FIRE, $75,000 FOR PARKS. STREETS HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THIS LIST BECAUSE WE KIND OF TOOK CARE OF FIVE YEARS LAST YEAR WHEN WE ADDED FOUR CONCRETE WORKERS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY AREN'T GOING TO NEED MORE ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE STAFF, BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT WE'VE TAKEN IT OUT OF THAT NEW GROWTH COMPONENT FOR NOW. CHANGES TO THE BUDGET. JUST TO REMIND YOU, YOU SAW THIS LAST WEEK, 2% COST OF LIVING INCREASE, INCLUDING THE CROSSING GUARDS AND THE PART TIME PERMANENT EMPLOYEES, DOES NOT INCLUDE OUR SEASONAL EMPLOYEES. 10% HEALTH PREMIUM INCREASE, 10% WORKER'S COMP PREMIUM INCREASE, AND 10% FLEET O&M FOR FUEL INFLATION. WE INCREASE AS WELL. CHANGES TO THE BUDGET. I JUST BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT PLACE. WE HAD A 1.1 TO $1.2 MILLION RISK MANAGEMENT ALLOCATION COMING OUT OF NON-DEPARTMENTAL. AND THEN IT REPORTS BACK AS GENERAL GOVERNMENT EXPENSE. BUT IT REALLY ISN'T. THE MAJORITY OF RISK MANAGEMENT IS REALLY FOR THE OPERATING DEPARTMENTS, RIGHT? IT'S FOR POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS AND PUBLIC SERVICES. IT IS THE LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR THE THINGS THAT WE OWN. IT IS THE LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR VEHICLES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. IT'S REALLY NOT A GENERAL GOVERNMENT EXPENSE. SO WE USED A FORMULA AND ALLOCATED THEM OUT TO THE DEPARTMENTS AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL STAY MOVING FORWARD. THIS IS THE LAST OF THE ALLOCATORS. THAT WAS JUST KIND OF SITTING THERE, UNDISTRIBUTED. AND THEN TO REMIND YOU AGAIN THAT OUR TRANSFER OUT IS FOR THE THREE FIREFIGHTERS THIS YEAR, AS WE'RE ON OUR THIRD YEAR OF USING THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GROW SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO LIFT PROPERTY TAX FOR THE FIRE STATION IN THE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. IN THE FUTURE, NOT NEAR FUTURE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO TURN THE NEXT LITTLE BIT OVER TO THE FIRE CHIEF. I'M GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS SEAT, AND HE'S GOING TO GET INTO THE SEAT. AND YOU CAN ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS DEPARTMENT BUDGET. AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS EMS. I MEAN I'M SORRY,

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HE HE HAD TO PRETEND HE WAS DOING SOMETHING RATHER THAN JUST POSING. HOW OLD ARE THE.

THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT YEAR, I WANT TO SAY PROBABLY TEN, AT LEAST TEN YEARS. OKAY. YEAH.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING WE REQUESTED IS A POLICY MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE THAT'S USED THROUGHOUT ITS THROUGHOUT THE VALLEY. IN FACT, I THINK QUITE HONESTLY, WE MIGHT BE ONE OF THE ONLY PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES THAT ISN'T USING THIS PLATFORM RIGHT NOW. OUR POLICE USE IT, BUT IT'S FLEXIBLE. IT'S A COMPANY THAT WILL MANAGE ALL OUR POLICIES. IT KEEPS THEM, YOU KNOW, IT'S WEB BASED SO OUR FIREFIGHTERS CAN ACCESS THE POLICY MANUAL AT ANY TIME FROM ANY PLACE. CURRENTLY, WE KIND OF HAVE A AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET AND A BUNCH OF PDFS ON THE DRIVE FIRE STATION. SO WE REQUESTED SOME EXTRA FUNDING TO IMPLEMENT THAT AND START USING THAT. THEY ALSO, ONE OF THE COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THAT ARE A BENEFIT WITH THAT PROGRAM.

NUMBER ONE, THEY DO A LOT OF TRAINING SO THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE POLICIES.

DIFFERENT TRAININGS ARE REQUIRED EACH DAY OR WEEKLY OR HOWEVER WE SET THAT UP SO THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE CONTINUALLY SEEING THE POLICIES AND BEING REMINDED. ANYTIME THERE'S AN UPDATE, THEY WILL BE NOTIFIED THAT THERE HAS BEEN AN UPDATE TO THAT POLICY, AND THEY'LL CHECK A BOX THAT THEY'VE ACKNOWLEDGED IT AND THEY'VE SEEN IT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS NICE IS FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, THIS COMPANY WILL REVIEW ANYTIME THERE'S NEW LEGISLATION AT THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO ENSURE THAT OUR POLICIES ARE FOLLOWING THOSE LAWS AND AND THEY WILL UPDATE POLICIES AND LET US KNOW SO THAT THEY STAY CURRENT WITH ANY NEW LEGISLATION. SO REALLY, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT THAT WE REQUESTED AS KIND OF BUDGET EXPANSION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE WITH NEW SOFTWARE. WHAT LINE IS IT UNDER OPERATIONS? YEAH, IT'S IN OPERATIONS. THE SOFTWARE ITSELF IS IT'S $16,000 A YEAR. THERE'S A $12,000 ONE TIME SETUP FEE

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AND SO RATHER THAN JUST I'LL I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE. ONE OF THE LOCAL CHIEFS HERE HAD HIS REGULAR PHYSICAL, HIS FIRE DEPARTMENT PHYSICAL. THEY FOUND AN ELEVATED PSA, REFERRED HIM TO HIS OWN DOCTOR. HE WENT TO HIS DOCTOR. HIS DOCTOR SAID, YEAH, YOU'RE IN YOUR 50S.

EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH HAS ONE OF THOSE. WATCH IT. HE WAS ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS SELECTED TO GO DOWN AND KIND OF SEE THIS CLINIC IN ARIZONA. AND THEIR WHOLE POINT IS THEY THEY WANT NOT WHAT THEY WANT, BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO FIND CANCER IN FIREFIGHTERS. SO RATHER THAN JUST TAKE AN APPROACH OF, HEY, LET'S JUST WATCH IT, THEY DIG IN. HE WENT DOWN TO THIS. BY THE TIME HE CAME HOME, HE HAD A DIAGNOSIS OF PROSTATE CANCER AND BLADDER OR KIDNEY CANCER.

HE SINCE HAD A KIDNEY REMOVED. HE'S HAD HIS PROSTATE REMOVED AND HE'S GOING THROUGH TREATMENT RIGHT NOW. HAD HE JUST GONE THE ROUTE THAT HE HAD GONE. AND AND PART OF THE DRIVER OF THIS IS THAT THAT CANCER CASES ARE SO PREVALENT IN FIREFIGHTERS DO THE CARCINOGENS, THE SMOKE, ALL THE THINGS THAT THAT THEY'RE EXPOSED TO AS AS YOU GUYS ARE WELL AWARE. SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PUT IN LEGISLATION ALONG WITH THAT. IT IT EXPANDED THE LIST OF PRESUMPTIVE CANCERS. SO THERE WERE A LIST OF LIKE 3 OR 4 WHERE IT WAS ASSUMED IF YOU GOT THAT KIND OF CANCER AND YOU WERE A FIREFIGHTER, YOU GOT IT FROM THE JOB. THAT LIST HAS EXPANDED NOW TO, I THINK, ABOUT 15 DIFFERENT KINDS OF CANCER.

AND SO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT IS ALL THE SCREENING AND, AND THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO FIND IT SOONER EARLY DETECTION AND EARLY TREATMENT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY, NOT JUST INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES AND DEPARTMENTS, BUT ALSO THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY, OUR PREMIUMS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO. OH YES. NEXT SLIDE, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. YOUR LITTLE CLICKER IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF. OH, RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGAIN, THIS STAGE KIND OF THE SAME. MOST OF THE INCREASES, JUST THINGS RELATED TO COST OF LIVING AND INFLATION. YOU CAN SEE IT WENT UP ABOUT 1%. HE DID HAVE SOME REQUESTS, BUT SOME OF THE REQUESTS THAT HE HAD, WE WERE ABLE TO, AS A CITY, PROVIDE WITHOUT AN EXPANSION OF THE BUDGET. AN EXAMPLE HE HE'S ASKED FOR A TRAILER IN THE PAST, LIKE A CARGO TRAILER. WE ACTUALLY IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE A FEW OF THEM AND FOUND ONE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO JUST CLEAN OUT AND LET HIM USE THAT. SO, SO YEAH, NOT A LOT OF CHANGES TO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

QUESTIONS. NO, I APPRECIATE YOU REALLY LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND HAVING ON BUDGET QUESTION, WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THAT TRAILER THAT HAD ALL THE FLAGS IN IT FOR THE. WHEN WE WE SURPLUSED IT. YEAH, IT HAD A IT HAD A BROKEN TONGUE. YEAH. IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS OLD AND DEAD.

AND YOU'RE BEING GENEROUS. YEAH. IT'S BEEN REPURPOSED. IT BASICALLY, IF I UNDERSTAND, MAYBE EVENTS COULD TALK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. YEAH. PAUL YOU YOU KNEW ABOUT IT. THE CULTURAL SOCIETY IS USING THAT TO TRANSPORT EQUIPMENT TO AND FROM THE SUGAR CUBE. SO IT'S STILL BEING USED, STILL BEING USED, BUT IT WAS REPAIRED BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE TONGUE PROBLEM. BUT BECAUSE IT WAS IT'S SO OLD, IT DOESN'T HAVE REGISTRATION ABILITY, AS I

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WE COULD NOT FIND A SERIAL NUMBER OR ANYTHING ON IT, AND WE HAD NO RECORD OF IT BEING REGISTERED TO THE CITY, APPARENTLY 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO SURPLUS IT, WE HAD TO HAVE THE TITLE. AND IN ORDER TO GET THE TITLE, WE HAD TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SERIAL NUMBER OR WHATEVER, AND WE COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. SO YEAH, IT'S BEEN REPURPOSED TO SIT ON THE STATION FOR YEARS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. TO UPDATE TEN YEAR OLD TECHNOLOGIES. YEAH, IT SEEMS PRETTY REASONABLE THAT ACTUALLY TECHNOLOGY THAT QUITE HONESTLY COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. YEAH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU CHIEF. HOW MANY LIVES DO YOU HAVE TO SAVE? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON. POLICE! PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND SENT. YOU THREW ME UNDER THE BUS. I'D LIKE TO CALL IT A GAME CHANGER, FOR SURE. SO YOU'VE BEEN USING IT, AND IT'S. WHEN WE USED TO DIG EACH OTHER. WILL YOU BE POINTING OUT WHERE THAT 10% YOU'RE TAKING? I WON'T. YOU KNEW ABOUT IT. SO HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO. OKAY. WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT EMAIL. WE HAVE FOUR BUDGETS. I'LL START WITH THE POLICE BUDGET. WE'RE LOOKING TO GROW ABOUT 5%. THERE'S A LIST OF SOME OF THE REQUESTS FROM OUR POLICE BUDGET THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO. SORRY, I WAS LOOKING AT MY SCREEN AND NOT YOURS. HOW ABOUT CHANGING ONE? WE'RE GROWING OUR BUDGET BY ABOUT 5%. THERE'S A LIST OF THE ITEMS WE'RE COMMITTED TO. FOLLOW THE CITY'S GUIDANCE ON GROWING SMALL AND INCREMENTALLY YEAR AFTER YEAR, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME TO YOU WITH A BIG ASK. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT WITH OUR REQUESTS THIS YEAR, BUT MAYBE IN A UNIQUE WAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO STAFFING. SO I JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR REQUESTS SPECIFICALLY. YOU GUYS ARE GOOD TO MOVE ON PAST THIS SLIDE. THESE ARE THE WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS YEAR WITH OUR BUDGET REQUESTS, SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS OUR EMPLOYEES NEEDS AND TO PROVIDE CONTINUED COMMUNITY SERVICE AT A HIGH LEVELS.

EMPLOYEE SUPPORT IS PRIMARILY MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH COST OF LIVING INCREASES, THAT WE HAVE GOOD BENEFITS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT ALL OF THE REST OF THESE IMPACT OUR EMPLOYEES JOB SATISFACTION BY MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING THE WORK THAT THEY THAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR AS SWORN OFFICERS AND THAT WE ARE PROVIDING THEM THE PROPER EFFICIENCIES. WE ALSO NEED TO ADJUST FOR LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT YOU'LL SEE ARE REQUIRED OF US TO GET SOME NEW EQUIPMENT. WE'RE TRYING TO PROPERLY ALLOCATE WORK BETWEEN THE SWORN STAFF, NON-SWORN STAFF AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR SUPERVISORY RESPONSIBILITIES, WHERE WE SEE AN INCREASE IN THE DEMAND ON SUPERVISOR TIME. WHEN WE KEEP ADDING PROGRAMS THAT NEED MANAGEMENT, WE ALSO HAVE SOME EQUIPMENT NEEDS TO ADDRESS STAFFING NEEDS. AGAIN, SMALL INCREMENTAL CHANGES AND MAYBE SOME UNIQUE WAYS TO ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS. AND AS ALWAYS, LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGIES REALLY TO ADJUST ALL OF THOSE OR TO IMPACT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. BY USING THOSE TECHNOLOGIES, WE INCREASE EFFICIENCY, JOB SATISFACTION, HOPEFULLY REDUCE COSTS, AND INCREASE ALL OF THE WORK THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE DOING ACROSS THE BOARD. SO THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADJUST TO WILL REQUIRE A PORTABLE BIOMETRIC SCANNER TO BE ISSUED TO EVERY OFFICER BY JANUARY 1ST OF 2027. THAT'S A FINGERPRINT SCANNER.

SO THEY WILL BE REQUIRED. BUT THEY ALSO DO OFFER SOME EFFICIENCIES TO OUR OFFICERS WHEN THEY'RE COLLECTING FINGERPRINTS OUT IN THE IN THE FIELD, IT WILL VERIFY THAT THE PRINT THAT THEY'RE COLLECTING IS A GOOD PRINT AND THAT IT WILL BE SUBMITTABLE. RIGHT NOW, WE DO THAT THROUGH INK, SO THEY ROLL FINGERPRINT ACROSS THE CITATION, IT GETS SUBMITTED, AND WE GET ABOUT 2 TO 3% OF THOSE BACK SAYING THAT THEY WERE NOT READABLE AND THEY DON'T SERVE THE PURPOSE. THAT ALSO DOESN'T PROVIDE US ANY IDENTIFICATION. SO WITH THE PORTABLE FINGERPRINT SCANNER, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COLLECT THOSE FINGERPRINTS WITH DIGITALLY, VERIFY THAT THEY'RE GOOD, AND WE CAN SUBMIT THOSE FOR VERIFICATION OF IDENTITIES WHEN WE NEED TO AND AFTER THE FACT WHEN CITATIONS ARE ISSUED, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GO TO THE RIGHT PERSON. JUST A CURIOSITY QUESTION. WHAT TYPE OF CITATION WARRANTS A FINGERPRINT? SO WE COLLECT WE COLLECT THEM ON ANY MISDEMEANOR CITATIONS. SO. TRAVEL CITATION. IF YOU'RE SPEEDING, YOU GIVE. IT'S REQUIRED ON ANY MISDEMEANOR. YEAH. IT'S REQUIRED ON ANY MISDEMEANOR INFRACTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. TO ADJUST TO STAFFING NEEDS AND

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WE LOSE AN EMPLOYEE FULL TIME FOR THAT COST. WE BRING THEM BACK, WE GET A FULL, FULL TIME EMPLOYEE HERE, AND THEY'LL DO. WE'LL GET MORE OUT OF THAT EMPLOYEE BY BEING HERE. SO THAT WILL REQUIRE US TO REDUCE THAT REVENUE, THAT WE GET $80,000, THAT WE GET A FULL TIME IN-HOUSE EMPLOYEE HERE, AND WE STILL HAVE OTHER TASK FORCE POSITIONS AT THE AG'S OFFICE.

SO WE MAINTAIN THAT RELATIONSHIP. SO WE WE'RE PAYING FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 80,000 AND THE ACTUAL COST, RIGHT? YEAH. THEY WERE JUST GIVING US A 80,000 AND WE WERE SPENDING 110. NOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 110, NOT 8080. BUT WE GET THE PERSON ALSO EQUIPMENT, ALL OF THAT OVERTIME VEHICLES, EVERYTHING. IT WAS JUST A FLAT RATE. WE WERE GETTING. WE GOT SOME RESOURCES FROM THEM IN EXCHANGE. BUT I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THE RESOURCES WE WERE GETTING IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT POSITION. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE STILL ON THE FORCE, SO WE'LL HAVE AN AFFILIATE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GANG TASK FORCE. THEY WON'T BE A FULL TIME POSITION, BUT HE'LL STILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. HE'LL BE OUR IN-HOUSE GANG EXPERT. HE WILL STILL WE STILL GET THE RESOURCE OF THE GANG UNIT, WHICH THAT'S A COUNTYWIDE RESOURCE, AND WE WOULD GET THAT EITHER WAY. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT RELATIONSHIP AND THAT WE HAVE REGULAR COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. WE'LL STILL GET ALL THE BULLETINS FROM THEM. WE'LL STILL HAVE THE OUR EMPLOYEE THAT'S GOING TO BE ASSIGNED.

HE'LL BE ASSIGNED TO OUR STREET CRIMES UNIT. HE'LL BE OUR IN-HOUSE GANG EXPERT. HE'LL BE ON THE TASK FORCE IN A PART TIME POSITION, BUT HE'LL BE HERE FULL TIME. AND THEN WHEN THEY NEED MORE RESOURCES OR IF WE HAVE A CASE, IT WILL BE THE FULL STREET CRIMES UNIT INVOLVED IN IT, AND NOT JUST ONE PERSON. AND WE WON'T RELY SOLELY ON THE NEED TO CONDUCT THAT INVESTIGATION. SO I JUST THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING. AND GANG PROBLEMS ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. BUT HAVING THAT PERSON IN-HOUSE, WE GET BETTER COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. THEY'LL BE HOUSED HERE RATHER THAN ALWAYS WORKING SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND THEY'LL BE FULLY REPORTING TO OUR SUPERVISOR AND WE'LL MANAGE THE EMPLOYEE. WE'LL STILL HAVE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GANG UNIT, AND WE'LL STILL HAVE THEM AS A RESOURCE. THEY'LL BE CLOSELY TIED. THE OTHER IS TO TRANSITION AN OFFICER POSITION TO A LIEUTENANT POSITION.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE SEVEN LIEUTENANTS AND ALL OF THEM HAVE A PRIMARY ASSIGNMENT. MOST OF THEM ARE IN PATROL OR AN INVESTIGATION UNIT. ON TOP OF THOSE, WE HAVE ADDED PROGRAMS THAT REQUIRE SUPERVISOR OR EXECUTIVE LEVEL MANAGEMENT. SOME EXAMPLES OF THOSE ARE HELPING TO MANAGE THE FLEET FROM OUR SIDE TO LIAISON WITH THE FLEET COORDINATOR AND THE FLEET SUPERVISOR TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR VEHICLES ARE ISSUED, EQUIPPED WITH THE PROPER POLICE EQUIPMENT. WE ALSO HAVE SOFTWARE ADMINISTRATION. SO AS WE KEEP ADDING SOFTWARE, IT DOES A GREAT JOB IN SETTING THOSE THINGS UP, BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT IMPACTS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO WE NEED AN ADMINISTRATOR ON THE POLICE SIDE TO SAY THIS IS HOW IT FITS INTO OUR WORKLOAD, THIS IS HOW WE NEED THINGS SET UP, AND WE JUST KEEP ADDING MORE AND MORE OF THOSE SYSTEMS. WE HAVE OFFICER WELLNESS PROGRAM, A DRONE PROGRAM, EVIDENCE MANAGEMENT, OUR INTERNAL EVIDENCE ROOMS, EQUIPMENT MANAGEMENT, WHERE WE'RE ISSUING EQUIPMENT TO PEOPLE, PEER SUPPORT, OUR HOMELESS RESOURCES PROGRAM, CROSSING GUARDS, EXTRA DUTY EMPLOYMENT. OUR LIAISON WITH BECK, WHICH IS OUR DISPATCH CENTER THAT IS NOT PART OF OUR AGENCY, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE COMMITTEES THAT THEY SIT ON TO HELP MANAGE THAT, OUR FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM AND THE PUBLIC ORDER UNIT, TO NAME A FEW OF THE EXTRA RESPONSIBILITIES THAT SIT ON THEIR SHOULDERS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MANAGE ON TOP OF JUST THEIR REGULAR WORKLOAD. AS THESE THINGS CONTINUE TO GROW, EITHER THEIR PRIMARY ASSIGNMENTS AREN'T GETTING FOCUSED ON, OR THESE AREAS THAT WE'RE ADDING AREN'T GETTING THE PROPER MANAGEMENT. SO BY ADDING THAT LIEUTENANT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MANAGE THESE AREAS A LOT MORE EFFICIENTLY. AND THEN THE LAST, WHICH ISN'T GOING TO IMPACT THIS BUDGET, BUT IT DOES AS A SECONDARY SIDE EFFECT, IS TO ADD A CIVILIAN CROSSING GUARD SUPERVISOR TO OUR CROSSING GUARD BUDGET. BUT THIS, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY STRUCTURED IS THAT THERE'S A POLICE SERGEANT WHO PART TIME MANAGES THE MOTOR UNIT, AND THEN PART TIME MANAGES ALL OF OUR CROSSING GUARD PROGRAMS. AND THEN WE'VE ASSIGNED A COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICER TO HELP WITH THAT. AND THAT'S BECOME A FULL TIME ASSIGNMENT RATHER THAN WHAT THE COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS WERE INTENDED TO DO, WHICH WAS SUPPORT PATROL AND HELP ACROSS THE BOARD WHERE THEY CAN. BUT BECAUSE OF THE DEMANDS OF THE THE CROSSING GUARD MANAGEMENT REQUIRES, WE'VE SHIFTED AS MUCH OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE WORK THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE SUPERVISOR TO

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AND SO THERE WE NEED TO UPDATE SOME OF THE PUBLIC ORDER EQUIPMENT SO THAT IT MATCHES, AND IT MEETS THE STANDARDS OF WHAT HAS BEEN SET AS APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE TYPES OF INCIDENTS. OH, SORRY. I'LL DO IT ON MY COMPUTER. THERE YOU GO. WE ALSO NEED TO REPLACE OUT ALL OF OUR HANDHELD RADIOS OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 3 OR 4 YEARS. I THINK IT'S BY 2030. OTHERWISE THEY WILL NO LONGER WORK ON THE NEW SYSTEM THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE. WE HAVEN'T BEEN AT A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO SYSTEMATICALLY REPLACE THOSE RADIOS. AND SO WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THAT SO THAT BY THAT DEADLINE, WE CAN HAVE ALL OF OUR RADIOS, OUR HANDHELD RADIOS SWITCHED OUT, AND THEY WILL BE FUNCTIONAL MOVING FORWARD ON THE NEW SYSTEM. OUR TECHNOLOGY INCREASES. AGAIN, THESE ARE THERE'S TWO GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. FIRST IS INCREASING THE SAFETY OF OUR OFFICERS AND THEN THEIR EFFICIENCY AS THEY WORK ON THE STREET ACTS ON. THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL WORK. ITS WILL WORK A LOT OF OUR EXISTING TECHNOLOGIES AND PULL THEM ALL INTO ONE PLACE. IT CREATES A LOT OF EFFICIENCIES AND A LOT OF SAFETY OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR OFFICERS. IT'S REAL CRIME DATA, A REAL DATA, REAL TIME DATA THAT COMES IN TO THE OFFICERS AND PUTS IT ALL ON ONE SCREEN. IT ALLOWS THEM THE BEST AND MOST ACCURATE INFORMATION IN WHEN THEY'RE RESPONDING TO, LET'S SAY, AN ARMED ROBBERY. WHAT IT WILL DO IS IT WILL, AS THE DISPATCHER IS GETTING THE INFORMATION, IT WILL POPULATE THEIR SCREEN SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT TO BE DISPATCHED. THERE'S ANY SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN THE AREA. IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY IDENTIFY THEM AND PULL THEM IN SO THAT THEY CAN SEE REAL TIME WHAT'S HAPPENING ON SCENE. IF ANY OF OFFICERS ARRIVE THAT HAVE BODY CAMERAS OR IN-CAR CAMERAS, IT WILL ALSO POPULATE EVERYBODY'S SCREEN. SO THEY'RE SEEING EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.

DRONE FOOTAGE WILL BE PULLED IN AS WELL. AND ANY PRIVATE SECURITY COMPANIES THAT WANT TO OPT INTO THIS PROGRAM, THEY CAN OPT IN AND WE HAVE THOSE. WE'LL PUT AND IT WILL CAPTURE ALL OF THAT DATA FOR EVIDENCE. SO WE CAN JUST UPLOAD IT INTO OUR EVIDENCE.COM SYSTEM, WHICH IS SOME OF THE EFFICIENCIES THAT CREATES, MAKES IT SAFER FOR WHEN THEY RESPOND. IF WE'RE RESPONDING TO SOMETHING AND WE CAN CLEARLY SEE WE DON'T NEED A WHOLE, A WHOLE TEAM OF GUYS TO RESPOND TO BECAUSE IT'S A FALSE ALARM, IT WILL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT FASTER AS WELL.

THE NEXT SOFTWARE IS CALLED COMMUNITY CONNECT. IT'S CUSTOMER SERVICE AND COMMUNICATION SOFTWARE. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE UNDERSTANDABLE PROBLEMS WITH COMMUNICATING WITH OUR RESIDENTS WHEN THEY CALL ON A SITUATION. FOR AN EXAMPLE, IF THEY CALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND WE DON'T GET TO A SUSPICIOUS PERSON CALL FOR HOURS, THEY DON'T USUALLY GET A CALL BACK. THERE'S NOT A GREAT WAY TO CALL AND WAKE THEM UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, OR APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO THAT. THE OFFICER GOES OFF SHIFT AT 6:00 IN THE MORNING, AND THERE'S NOT A GREAT WAY TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. BUT THIS SOFTWARE WILL DO, IS IT? IT'S PRODUCED BY OUR MS. PROVIDER. SO IT WILL PULL THE INFORMATION FROM THE DISPATCH AND OUR REPORT WRITING SYSTEM, AND IT WILL COMMUNICATE VIA TEXT MESSAGE OR EMAIL MESSAGE

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YOU'LL SEE THE INCREASE THERE TO THE CROSSING GUARD SUPERVISOR THE EQUIPMENT NEEDED FOR THAT POSITION. SO THAT'S A NEW POSITION. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER AND CALL OUT ANY MEETING. YOU'LL SEE THERE THAT THERE'S A RESTRICTED LINE. SO THE CHIEF WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE ON THIS CROSSING GUARD SUPERVISOR UNTIL SEPTEMBER 1ST AFTER THE DATE OF THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. IF THE TAX INCREASE IS NOT APPROVED, THEN THE BUDGET WILL REVERT BACK INTO THAT BOTTOM LINE THERE. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ANY TIME THAT ANYTHING'S TIED TO PROPERTY TAX. SO 10,193 IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. IT IS THE WAGES, BENEFITS AND SOME UNIFORMS AND EQUIPMENT. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE VEHICLE. VEHICLE AND COMPUTER INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET WILL BE BUT WILL BE PULLED. IT'S JUST NOT CONTINGENT ON. THAT'S TRUE. I DIDN'T POINT THAT OUT TO YOU. THAT'S TRUE OF THE LIEUTENANT POSITION AS WELL AS ACTIVISTS.

SO MUCH OF THE SAVINGS IS THAT OVER HIRING ANOTHER OFFICER? SUBSTANTIAL. MAYBE THAT'S MAYBE HALF, HALF OR TWO THIRDS THE COST OF AN OFFICER. IT'S WHEN YOU BUY A VEHICLE, THE OUTFITTING OF THE VEHICLES, THE EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING. SO WE DON'T WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY CHANGES TO OUR BUDGETS. AND THE ONLY REASON YOU SEE THAT 26% BETWEEN THE ACTUAL BUDGET FROM THAT YEAR, 25 TO 26 IS BECAUSE THE AMMUNITION ORDERS WERE SO BACK ORDERED THAT THEY DIDN'T GET TO SPEND THEIR BUDGET. THEY ORDERED ENOUGH AMMUNITION, AMMUNITION. SO IT'S COMING IN IN BUDGET YEAR 2026. SO IT WASN'T A REAL INCREASE IN ASK, ONLY AN INCREASE IN THAT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET IT SPENT. THANK YOU. YEAH. THAT'S ALL OF OUR BUDGETS AND WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER. YOU DO ANY RELOADING AMMUNITION? I DON'T THINK ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANKS, CHIEF. THANKS FOR THE REMINDER ON DENISE. IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO PUT TOGETHER A PAGE THAT SHOWS ALL OF THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE HAVE DUE TO LEGISLATION? OH, AND THEN MAYBE AND MAYBE A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE COULD PUT DOWN AND THEN EQUATE THAT TO WHAT, A TAX INCREASE? I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH MY LEGISLATORS. YEAH. PRESENCE. IT MIGHT BE HARD TO KNOW WHERE TO DRAW THE LINE. I MEAN, IT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE EXACT, BUT I CERTAINLY I CAN PUT TOGETHER THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE KNOW, RIGHT. BIOMETRIC SCANNERS AND, WELL, SOME THINGS SO FAR BOTH CHIEFS HAVE SAID, RIGHT. THIS IS LEGISLATION THAT'S REQUIRING THIS INCREASE. SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT'S UNFUNDED MANDATES. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S ONE WAY TO PUT IT. I JUST LIKE TO SAY HERE THAT DOLLARS. OKAY, YOU GOT IT. I HAVE A FUNDING FOR THE MANDATES. I HAVE A QUESTION, DENISE. THE YEAR TO YEAR BUDGET CHANGE INCREASE IN OUR FILES, IS THAT CALCULATED BASED OFF OF THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR 26 COMPARED TO 2027? THE ACTUAL ESTIMATED ACTUAL BUDGET TO BUDGET, WHICH IS WHAT THE REQUIRED PERCENTAGES BY LEGISLATION. THEY TELL US WHAT THOSE. OKAY, I'M NEXT. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES. THE CHANGE IN OUR SALARIES IS REALLY ABOUT TURNOVER CHANGE AND EXPERIENCE AND BENEFIT STATUS. OVERALL, WE HAVE INCREASED OUR IT ALLOCATION FOR OUR NEW ERP SYSTEM, WHICH IS WORKDAY. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT EXPENSES INCREASED ALL ACROSS

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EACH DEPARTMENT CONTRIBUTES TO THAT FUND SO THAT IT STAYS FULL. EXCUSE ME, AND PAYS FOR OUR SOFTWARE COSTS. AND THEN OUR INDIRECT COSTS ARE 38% OF THE WORK THAT MY DEPARTMENT DOES.

THAT REPORTS IN THIS CATEGORY IS ALLOCATED OUT TO OTHER FUNDS LIKE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THE WATER FUND, THE SEWER FUND, THE STORMWATER FUND, SOLID WASTE FUND. OKAY. WE INCREASED OUR ACTUAL TO BUDGET BY 11% BETWEEN 25 AND 26. AND OUR BUDGET INCREASED DECREASED THIS YEAR BY 4%. SO WE REALLY HAD NO CHANGES, PRETTY MUCH JUST DECREASING SOME OF THE SUPPLIES THAT WE NO LONGER NEED, THAT KIND OF THING. CUTTING OVERHEAD. YEAH. JUST TAKE THE WIN. YEAH.

HUMAN RESOURCES. THIS IS THE HUMAN RESOURCES BUDGET. WE ARE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE TO THE WELLNESS PROGRAM. WE INCREASED IT FROM 30,000 TO $75,000, MOSTLY BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING JUST A REALLY BIG INCREASE IN PEOPLE DOING THINGS LIKE GOING TO THE CLINIC FOR THEIR ANNUAL PHYSICAL, AND THEY GET A $50 GIFT CARD, OR THEY GO TO A WALK IN THE PARK AND THEY GET A 5 OR $10 GIFT CARD FOR THE WALK IN THE PARK EVENT, OR THEY GO TO GET THEIR BIOMETRIC SCREENINGS AND THEY GET A REWARD. ANYWAY, THESE REWARDS HAVE ADDED UP AND THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE SPENDING, BUT WE'RE USING OTHER RESOURCES WITHIN HUMAN RESOURCES TO DO THAT. SO WE'RE BUT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO USE THEM FOR WHAT THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE LIKE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT OR EMPLOYEE TRAININGS OR THAT KIND OF THING. DO WE FEEL LIKE THOSE INCENTIVES ARE WORKING FOR WHAT THE OBJECTIVE WAS? IS IT ARE WE GETTING AN ROI? IS IT WORTH IT? I WOULD LOVE TO TELL YOU A STORY. LEANNA WAS ACTUALLY CALLED OUT WITH CARE ATC AS A GROUP BECAUSE OF HER WORK WITH ANNUAL SCREENINGS WITH OUR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR DEPENDENTS.

ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO, ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES WENT IN FOR THEIR ANNUAL PHYSICAL. WAS FEELING JUST FINE. A PHYSICAL WORKER, NOT A PROBLEM IN THE WORLD. HAD THE ANNUAL PHYSICAL AND LEANNA DISCOVERED A WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS A HERNIA, HE SAID, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE A HERNIA. SHE'S LIKE, ALL RIGHT, LET'S CHECK IT. SHE GOES, THAT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A HERNIA. I NEED YOU TO HAVE SOME TESTS DONE. AND. AND IT TURNED OUT THAT HE HAD A MASS, A VERY LARGE MASS GROWING IN HIS ABDOMEN AREA. AND HE HAD NO IDEA THAT ANNUAL PHYSICAL LIKELY SAVED HIS LIFE. AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OTHER EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE HAD THAT SAME RESULT THAT THEY'VE GONE IN AND THEY'VE HAD A BLOCKAGE IN A HEART OR IN A BLOOD VEIN, AND THEIR BLOOD PRESSURE IS TOO HIGH. AND SO THEY GO FURTHER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT MANY OF THOSE EMPLOYEES DIDN'T WALK IN THE DOOR OF A DOCTOR FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE THAT. AND ARE THEY GOING BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING 50 BUCKS, OR ARE THEY JUST GOING BECAUSE SHE'S AWESOME AND THE WORD'S OUT ON THE STREET, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR 50 BUCKS. CONVENIENT DOCTOR KENNY KENNY IS A VERY APPROACHABLE, SPENDS LOTS OF TIME WITH YOU WHEN YOU'RE THERE. WE INCENTIVIZE THEM TO GO KIND OF ALL OF THOSE REASONS. I WOULDN'T GO TO THE DOCTOR FOR 50 BUCKS, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.

I WENT AND I WAS LIKE, SHE HANDED ME A GIFT CARD. I'M LIKE, I'D FORGOTTEN THIS EVEN HAPPENED. SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHO THE EMPLOYEE WAS. I GOT MY COVID VACCINE BECAUSE. I DON'T DO NEEDLES. SO THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE IN THE HUMAN RESOURCES BUDGET. IT INCREASED FROM 25 TO 26 BY 5%, JUST BUDGET TO ACTUAL AND THEN 7% FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR. BUT THE MAJORITY OF THAT INCREASE IS RIGHT THERE. WHEN YOU SEE 565 TO 604, IT'S ALL IN THE EMPLOYEE WELLNESS PROGRAM.

OUR CITY RECORDER AND CUSTOMER SERVICE OFFICE. THIS ONE IS PART OF THE TAX INCREASE. WE'RE REQUESTING TO ADD A CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE TO THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING FULL TIME.

IT'S A REQUEST THAT'S BEEN MADE BY ALL THREE OF THE DIRECTORS THAT WORK OUT OF THAT BUILDING, AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS ROLE. THEY'RE THEY HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS.

EACH OF THEM HAS ONE. BUT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT IS REALLY BUSY DOING OTHER THINGS THAT ARE REALLY NOT CUSTOMER SERVICE RELATED. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING. SO DIRECTING THE TRAFFIC, ANSWERING QUESTIONS, TAKING UTILITY PAYMENTS, RENTING OUT HYDRANT METERS, PRESERVING DUMPSTERS, THAT KIND OF THING WOULD HAPPEN AT THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AND IT WOULD ALLOW FULL SERVICE UP. EXCUSE ME OUT THERE. I'M JUST GOING TO THROW THIS OUT NOW. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GROWING EMPLOYEES IN THIS CITY AT A REALLY HIGH RATE. AND WHILE TO ME, THIS IS A NICE SERVICE, I DON'T KNOW WHO REPLACE SHAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE A PLACE ON THE WEST SIDE TO PAY YOUR UTILITY BILL

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AND THEY'RE IN A CONSISTENT FORMAT AS WELL, SIMILAR TO LEXAPRO FOR THE DEPARTMENT FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS. ONE MORE QUESTION I HAVE FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE. I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE ASKS WAS TO TAKE TWO PART TIME. WHAT'S IT CALLED? PASSPORT PEOPLE, WHICH CURRENTLY WE HAVE FUNDED BUT AREN'T USING, AND MAKE THAT TWO INTO ONE. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A NEED FOR NOT ONLY A PART, NOT ONLY A FULL TIME PERSON, BUT ALSO A PART TIME AS WELL. COULD I GET WHAT IT WOULD COST? AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE TO KEEP THAT FULL TIME PERSON THAT SHE WANTS, BUT THEN STILL ADD ANOTHER PART TIME? YES, BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE BUSY DOWN THERE. AND I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK AT ROI ON PASSPORTS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD. BUT THEY'RE SO BUSY AND THEY ARE BRINGING IN MONEY. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, NOT TAKE AWAY TWO AND JUST HAVE ONE, BUT HAVE THE FULL TIME AND THEN ADD A PART TIME? YES OR WHAT PART TIME, PART TIME AND BROUGHT IN TWO MORE PART TIMES. THEN WE'RE NOT

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SO EMPLOYEE RETENTION IS MUCH BETTER IF IT'S FULL TIME. YES. AND THAT'S THE MAIN REASON FOR THE REQUEST AND TO GET ARNOLD COVERAGE RIGHT. HE'S THE ONLY FULL TIMER IN THERE. AND IT'S BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S TWO PART TIME SET ASIDE. THERE ARE. SO WE'RE NOT ADDING THOSE TWO PART TIMERS IN THERE. RIGHT. BUT WE'RE NOT ADDING BUDGET TO DO THE FULL TIMER. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ADDED BUDGET TO DO A FULL TIME AND ONE PART TIME. THAT WOULD BE ADDING THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING BENEFITS. I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS THE FULL TIME WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE, BUT ADDING ANOTHER PART TIME WILL BE 25,000. YES. SO IF WE WERE NOT TO GIVE UP TWO PART TIMERS IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT FULL TIMER, BUT ONLY GIVE UP ONE WOULD BE $25,000. YES. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO HELP OUT THE PASSPORT OFFICE ON THAT. YEAH, SHE WOULD BEG FOR A FULL TIMER. THIS HAS BEEN REALLY HARD FOR ARNOLD, SO SHE WOULD PREFER ONE FULL TIME. SHE WOULD. SO RIGHT NOW SHE'S GOT TWO PART TIMERS THAT SHE COULD HIRE, BUT SHE'S HELD OFF BECAUSE SHE'D RATHER HAVE A FULL TIME PERSON THAN TWO PART TIME THING WITH ONE FULL TIME, NOT PREVENTING ONE FULL TIME PERSON IS GOING TO COST A LOT MORE MONEY THAN TWO PART TIMERS. YES, WELL, NOT A LOT MORE. YEAH. BUT YES, $42,000 MORE. YES. THAT'S THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN GIVING UP TWO PART TIMERS AND THE FULL TIMER. BUT ANOTHER THING THAT YOU LOSE IF YOUR FULL TIME, IF YOU'VE GOT PART TIME PEOPLE, THEY CAN WORK EXTRA HOURS AND IT'S NOT OVER FULL TIME PEOPLE, IF THEY WORK EXTRA HOURS, YOU'RE PAYING OVERTIME. IT'S JUST VERY DIFFICULT TO KEEP PART TIMERS. AND WHY ISN'T TANDUAY PRESENTING? THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE THE ONES THAT I'M I'M THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OVER DEPARTMENT. I THINK WE SHOULD DO ONE FULL TIME AND ONE PART TIME. IN THE PASSPORT OFFICE. SO WE'RE ADDING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD A PART TIME IN ADDITION TO THE ALREADY FULL TIME. YOU'D LIKE TO ADD A FULL TIMER AND ONLY TAKE ONE PART TIMER AS AN EXCHANGE. I GET NERVOUS WHEN WE SAY WHEN A DEPARTMENT HEAD ASKED FOR SOMETHING, YOU SAY YES, LET'S DO THAT. AND EVEN MORE, TANS IS ONLY ASKING TO REPLACE THE TWO PART TIMERS WITH ONE FULL TIME. TWO. WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SHE CAN USE MORE STAFF, BUT THIS IS ALL SHE'S ASKING FOR IS REPLACING TWO PART TIMERS WITH ONE FULL TIME. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PART TIMERS ARE CURRENTLY WORKING 24 HOURS A WEEK, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS COVERAGE WITH ONE FULL TIMER. UNLESS I'M WRONG, WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE FEWER PEOPLE ON. WE'LL HAVE WE'LL ACTUALLY, OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR OR TWO, HAVE BETTER COVERAGE BECAUSE IT'S MORE CONSISTENT COVERAGE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO RAMP UP WITH TURNOVER AND TRAINING AND SO ON. LET ME BE CLEAR TOO. WE ALSO HAVE SEASONAL STAFF. SO IN OUR REALLY HIGH SEASONS, WE HAVE SEASONAL HOURS THAT WE RIGHT NOW, DIRECTOR ANDERSON'S DAUGHTER IS WORKING OUR SEASONAL HOURS. SHE WORKS IN OUR PASSPORT OFFICE AND SO SHE WORKS SEASONALLY. I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A SEASONAL OH, THERE'S DEFINITELY A SEASONAL PATTERN. YEAH. JANUARY, MAY APRIL. RIGHT. RIGHT BEFORE

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AND SO THEY'RE UP. REPORT IS UP LAST. BUT IF WE RUN OUT OF TIME, THEY WOULD GET BUMPED. I'M GOOD WITH. CAN WE MOVE THEM UP BECAUSE I DON'T MIND GETTING BUMPED OR THESE OTHER THINGS.

YOU WANT TO GET I DON'T. ORDERED IT AGAIN. THANKS. THE ONLY THING WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE IS A FULL TIME JUDICIAL ASSISTANT. TO KIND OF PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE WHERE THE COURTS ARE AT, DO I BEFORE I. GO FORWARD, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE ARROW GOES THE RIGHT WAY. SO. THAT IS NOT JUDICIAL UP THERE. THAT IS NOT. TECHNOLOGY. AFTER YOU SAY TECHNOLOGY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY, AM I RIGHT? AND THEN THEY REPLACE YOU. THE ONE SLIDE FOR YOU, JUDGE. OKAY. DID YOU GIVE ME SOMETHING ELSE? I HAD SOMETHING SENT. SO IT'S FINE. I CAN PASS AROUND THE NEWSPAPER. I HAVE THE HARD COPY. YOU'RE FINE. OKAY. NO THAT'S FINE. I JUST I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS GOING TO LIKE WHAT WE WERE DOING. SO ANYWAYS, I'LL PASS THIS AROUND IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT. JUST IN TERMS OF THE CASELOAD WHERE THE COURTS ARE AT, I JUST PUT IN WHAT OUR NUMBER OF CASES WAS BETWEEN TAYLORSVILLE AND WEST JORDAN, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING BOTH COURTS THERE. JUST IN TERMS OF NUMBERS FOR TAYLORSVILLE, BACK IN 2025, THE TOTAL AMOUNT WAS 7658 CASES. TAYLORSVILLE HAS A HIGHER TRAFFIC THAN CRIMINAL. THAT'S WEST JORDAN'S, THE EXACT OPPOSITE, NOT THE EXACT OPPOSITE, BUT THEY JUST HAVE A HIGHER CRIMINAL THAN THAN TRAFFIC. THE NUMBER OF CASES SO FAR IN 2026. AND OF COURSE THAT GOES UP TILL JULY 1ST AT 6716. JUDGE HOLTON ON WEST JORDAN HAD A NUMBER OF CASES IN 2025 OF 6647, AND HE'S UP TO 6468. SO HE'S A LITTLE BIT OVER. HE'S AT 2% AWAY FROM HITTING THAT. SO I'M 12% FROM HITTING IT WITH THE TWO MONTHS TO GO. SO. OUR WEIGHTED CASELOAD CASELOAD, OUR WEIGHTED CASELOAD IS JUST THE NUMBER THEY TAKE OUR TRAFFIC, OUR CRIMINAL TO GIVE IT A WEIGHT AND PLUS OUR SMALL CLAIMS. AND THEN THEY JUST TELL HOW MUCH ONE JUDGE IT'S BASED ON WHAT A JUDGE SHOULD BE DOING. MY NUMBER JUST CAME OUT. WE

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ACCORDING TO THE WEIGHTED CASELOAD. IN TERMS OF WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL, WHEN WE CAME OVER HERE, I HAD TEN FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. I HAD ONE COURT ADMINISTRATOR, I HAD EIGHT COURT CLERKS, AND THEN I HAD ANOTHER COURT CLERK. SO I HAD NINE COURT CLERKS TOTAL.

THAT ONE CLERK WAS WORKING 32 HOURS A WEEK AT JUDGE HOLTON'S FULLEST BEFORE THE MERGE. HE HAD EIGHT FULL TIME EMPLOYEES WITH ONE COURT ADMINISTRATOR AND SEVEN COURT CLERKS. I WAS DOWN WHEN I CAME OVER, THREE FULL TIME EMPLOYEE POSITIONS, AND JUDGE HOLTON WAS DOWN ONE FULL TIME EMPLOYEE POSITION. OUR CURRENT STATUS. SO THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY, SO THE THE CURRENT STATUS RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE ONE COURT ADMINISTRATOR, THAT'S STACY. SO WE COMBINE THAT. WE DON'T NEED TWO ADMINISTRATORS, OBVIOUSLY. AND WE HAVE 13 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. TECHNICALLY, WE'RE AT 12 RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING AN EMPLOYEE THAT HAS SEPARATED FROM US JUST RECENTLY. SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF FILLING THAT. SO WE'RE AT MINUS FOUR FULL TIME EMPLOYEE POSITIONS THAT EXISTED WHEN WE WERE AT OUR FULLEST. AND BOTH OUR COURTS. I HAD THE THREE I LOST. WE STARTED WITH ONE BECAUSE SHE WENT ON MATERNITY LEAVE AND DECIDED NOT TO COME BACK. AND THEN WE HAD SOME LEAVE WHILE WE WERE PUTTING THE COURT TOGETHER.

SO YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE DOWN TO FOUR. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FILL ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS WHERE THE POSITION WOULD BE IS IN THE FRONT OFFICE PORTION. THAT'S WHERE WE NEEDED THE TOURS, WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE. WE PUT A FOURTH UP THERE. PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS. WHEN SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED ISSUE, THAT FOURTH PERSON CAN GO IN AND TAKE OVER AND, AND TAKE MONEY OR TAKE CARE OF ISSUES. WHILE THAT MAY BE BIGGER ISSUE GETS HANDLED. SO WE DON'T GET BEHIND IN OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE. I MEAN, THE COURTS ALL ABOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE. THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE GOT. AND SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE.

ALSO JUDGE HOLTON CALLS SIDE HUSTLES THEIR SIDE JOBS, WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING OTHER THINGS BESIDES WHAT THEIR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS. WE'RE WE'RE THE FRONT OFFICE IS WHERE WE NEED THAT PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY. BUT A LOT OF OUR CLERKS ARE OVERWHELMED WITH THOSE SIDE JOBS. IT'S CHECKING. IT'S LIKE MAKING SURE PEOPLE HAVE TURNED IN THINGS THAT WE'VE ORDERED THEM TO DO ON TIME, THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING PAYMENT SCHEDULES. SO THERE'S IT'S CALLED TRACKING. YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT. YOU HAVE TO CHECK CALLS. NO WE DON'T. WE HAVE A BETTER SYSTEM. IT'S CALLED WARRANTS. THAT'S HOW WE GET PEOPLE. WE DON'T HAVE TO WE DON'T CALL THEM, BUT WE SEND THEM NOTICE. WE SERVE THEM.

YEAH. WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY SEND THEM A, A LETTER. YOU KNOW, WE SEND THEM THE COURT DATE. IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP, WARRANT GETS ISSUED. AND THEN THAT'S THEN THEY KNOW THAT WE REALLY WANT TO TALK TO THEM. SO BUT THAT'S IT'S OUR SECONDARY JOBS IS WHERE WE'RE REALLY STRUGGLING IN THE COURT RIGHT NOW. AND THIS PERSON WOULD GIVE US THAT ABILITY TO GET WHERE I THINK BECAUSE OUR PURPOSE IN COMING OVER HERE WAS CONSOLIDATION. WELL, AFTER DOING IT FOR THE PAST YEAR, WE'RE JUST NEEDING THAT ONE MORE PERSON. I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE WE'LL EVER NEED TO FILL THE NEXT THE OTHER THREE THAT WE'VE LOST OVER TIME. THIS IS JUST TO FILL THAT ONE POSITION. BECAUSE OF CONSOLIDATION, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET A LOT OF THE THE CLERKS DOING THINGS FOR BOTH COURTS. SO THERE'S THAT OVERLAP THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIX AND KEEP. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHEN YOU BOTH HAD A CERTAIN NUMBER, I HAD. SO TEN TOTAL. WE HAVE FOUR. YEAH. SO WE'RE DOWN FOUR AND WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE THE ONE. AND IT COMES WITH THE CAVEAT TO THIS. I MEAN, I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT TAYLORSVILLE DOES SHOULDER SOME OF THIS COST. SO WE'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT FULLY FUNDING THIS. IT'S ALSO TAYLORSVILLE WILL FUND PART OF THAT FTE. WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS. IT'S IT'S REALLY IT'S SURPRISINGLY CLOSE TO 5050. SO. 5149 IT'S I MEAN, WE'RE WAY BIGGER. IT'S, IT'S LIKE 5248 SOMETHING IT'S, IT'S REMARKABLY CLOSE. YOU SEE THOSE CASELOADS ON THE PRIOR SLIDE, HOW CLOSE WE ARE ON CASELOADS. IT'S WEIGHTED, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO A 5050 SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO

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HE TOLD ME HE'S GOING TO PRAY ABOUT IT. SO I TOLD HIM, PLEASE DON'T PRAY TOO HARD BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THE WRONG ANSWER COMING ACROSS. SO BUT YOU KNOW, I, I LET THEM KNOW ABOUT IT. SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. BUT THE OTHER THING ABOUT IT TOO IS WE'RE DEPENDENT ON WHAT THE POLICE SEND OUR WAY. AND IT'S NOT TO SAY, RIGHT, THAT WE GET THE CASES THAT THEY AND THEIR CASELOAD IS, OR THE CASES THEY SEND US ARE DEPENDENT ON WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY. SO DOWN THE ROAD, IF WE HAVE A DOWNTURN IN THE NUMBER OF NUMBERS AND WE HIT A RETIREMENT OR SOMETHING, WE CAN ALWAYS READJUST THAT IF WE DON'T NEED IT. SO I WE'RE AWARE OF OUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE CITIES. AND SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND WE CAN ASK, BUT THERE'S ALSO TIMES TO TAKE AWAY IF THE NEED ISN'T THERE. SO THAT MAY CHANGE IF YOU HAVEN'T YOU TOOK A TOUR. YOU REMEMBER WE WENT WITH THE TAYLORSVILLE COUNCIL COURT ROOMS WERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IT'S ALL FINISHED. SIGNAGE IS JUST THIS WEEK. THE LAST OF THE SIGNAGE WENT UP. COURTROOMS ARE GREAT. WE'RE. WE'VE THE TEMPORARY TEMPORARY COURTROOM.

WE'RE OUT OF THE TEMPORARY COURTROOM. POLICE ARE TEMPORARY ROOM. I LOVE THE YEAH. IT GOES BACK TO BIG MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM. IT WAS IT MADE ME FEEL LIKE IT WAS IN A SMALL LITTLE CITY AT THE EDGES OF OF UTAH DOING COURT BECAUSE THERE ARE COURTROOMS. I TOLD YOU THIS, BUT THERE WERE COURTROOMS THAT WERE LIKE THAT, THAT I WENT TO AS AN ATTORNEY. SOMETIMES I.

THE BUILDING IS IT'S BUSY, THE COURT IS BUSY. AND WHEN I SEE THAT, I LOVE IT BECAUSE NOT THAT THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE GOING TO COURT, BUT IT'S AN EFFECTIVE USE OF THAT BUILDING.

IT'S AN EFFECTIVE USE OF THE BAILIFFS THAT HAVE TO. I USED TO FEEL FRUSTRATED THAT I FELT LIKE WE HAD A LOT OF BAILIFFS HERE THAT AREN'T DEALING WITH THE MUCH FOOT TRAFFIC. THERE'S FOOT TRAFFIC. IT'S AN EFFECTIVE USE OF OUR BAILIFFS IN THEIR TIME. IT'S AN EFFECTIVE USE OF THE LOBBY. IT'S REALLY A REALLY AN EFFECTIVE USE OF THE CLERK'S SUPPORTING BOTH. YOU GO OVER THERE NOW IN BOTH COURTROOMS ARE GOING EVERY WEEKDAY ALMOST. AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING THEIR JUSTICE COURT NEEDS SERVED VERY EFFECTIVELY. JUDGE HOLTON WANTED TO BE HERE. HE'S STUCK IN A TRIAL RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHY HE'S NOT HERE. HE'S STILL DOING A BENCH TRIAL. HE'S PRETTY LONG, SO HE'S JUDGING. THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THERE IS A DEFENDANT ON TRIAL.

HE'S WANTED TO CLARIFY WITH HIM. YOU HAVE TO, JUST IN CASE YOU WANTED TO SEE. THAT'S JUST WHAT THE SIGNAGE LOOKS LIKE. SO THAT'S THE TAYLORSVILLE Q SHOWS WEST JORDAN AND THAT'S WHAT'S OVER THE THE COURT WINDOWS. WE HAVE THE WE HAVE A WINDOW THAT'S SPECIFIC FOR WEST JORDAN.

AND THEN THERE'S COURT CLERK IS JUST KIND OF THE GENERAL CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND THEN WE HAVE TAYLORSVILLE. THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE REPLACING RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHY IT'S CLOSED. WAS THERE A PLAN TO REPLACE THAT RED COLORED WOOD WITH A MORE UPDATED COLOR? I SO I CAN JUDGE THE NEW COURTROOM. I WENT MANY TIMES AS A DEFENSE ATTORNEY TO JUDGE COURTROOM. AND IT WAS A DUNGEON. YEAH. NOW THAT WE'VE. I SUGGEST YOU COME OVER THERE BECAUSE THE RED DOES NOT LOOK AS BAD AS IT DID WHEN THE LIGHTS WEREN'T THERE. IT LOOKS REALLY IT LOOKS REALLY UPDATED AND MODERN I AND IT'S BECAUSE IT HAS NEW CARPET. IT'S A LIGHTER, LIGHTER ROOM, LIGHTER HAS BETTER LIGHTS, BUT IT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE OUTDATED COURTROOM. IT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT RED COLOR. IT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS A LOT BETTER. BUT COME SEE FOR YOURSELF. WHY ARE BAILIFFS COSTS INCREASED? I NOTICE IN THE BUDGET IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT, BUT ARE THERE CONTRACT? YEAH. IT'S PERSONNEL THERE. THERE COSTS THERE COSTS IN OUR CONTRACT GO UP EVERY YEAR. YEAH. I WAS GOING TO SAY WHEN WE HAD THE SALT LAKE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE THERE, IT WOULD GO UP. YEAH. BENEFITS THAT THEY BECOME. THEY GET MORE SENIORITY. SO THEIR SALARIES

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HOW ARE YOU DOING? YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO BE HEARD. AND I THINK WE DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT. AND THE CLERKS HAVE TO SPEAK FOR THEM THE MOST.

THEY'RE THEY'RE THE THEY'RE THE COGS IN THE WHEEL, BUT THEY'RE THE WE DON'T HAVE THEM IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB. AND I MEAN, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK CLIENTELE THAT COMES TO COURT, THEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB. SO WE APPRECIATE THEM. SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE BUDGET PAGE FOR CLERKS DOESN'T HELP. THE JUSTICE COURT DOESN'T HAVE REVENUE NUMBERS. IT JUST HAS THE EXPENSES. WHERE'S THE REVENUE THAT WE GET FROM TAYLORSVILLE? IS IT THE OTHER LINE ON THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE? IS IT IN THERE OR IS THAT IT? IS THAT PART OF THAT? SO THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES LINE 23 SAYS OTHER IS 115,000.

AND THEN THE ONE THAT SAYS FINES AND FORFEITURES 1.6 MILLION. YEAH. IS THAT TAYLORSVILLE, TAYLORSVILLE AND OUR REVENUE. OKAY. WE'VE ONLY HAD TAYLORSVILLE THIS PAST BUDGET YEAR AND NOW THIS COMING BUDGET YEAR, RIGHT? SO THE 2025 PRIOR YEAR ACTUALLY IS NOT AS WELL, RIGHT. AND WE'RE ONLY GOING UP FROM 1.312 MILLION TO 1.6 MILLION. AND WE ADDED A WHOLE NOTHER CITY. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT. OUR REVENUE, OUR COURT REVENUES. WE NEED TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT TRACKING WHAT WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE TRACKING. OKAY. AND THEN TAYLORSVILLE IS ALSO PAYING US TO RENT THE SPACE OR TO GIVE THE JUDGE AN OFFICE, OR WE TAKE ALL THE TAYLORSVILLE REVENUE. WE TAKE ALL THE WEST JORDAN REVENUE AND COMBINE IT. WE TAKE ALL THE TAYLORSVILLE AND WEST JORDAN COSTS FOR THE WHOLE COURT. WE DIVIDE UP THE COSTS ACCORDING TO THE WEIGHTED CASELOAD, AND THEN WE SAY, OKAY, HOW MUCH REVENUE? AND SO WE SAY WE HAVE A PROPORTIONATE COST. AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE PROPORTIONATE. THE REVENUES FROM EACH COURT SAY DOES THE REVENUE FROM THAT COURT COVER THE PROPORTIONATE COST? IF YES, THEN THERE'S A BALANCE. GREAT. THAT GOES BACK TO THAT CITY'S GENERAL FUND. IF NO, THEN THAT CITY NEEDS TO PAY FROM THEIR GENERAL FUND IN TO COVER THEIR PROPORTIONATE COST. THAT'S HOW OUR OUR FORMULA WORKS BETWEEN THE CITIES, BUT THE COMBINED REVENUE HAS BEEN MUCH LOWER THAN WE WERE EXPECTING. THAT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET. I'M OKAY IF THE GENERAL FUND IS SUBSIDIZING COURTS. YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T NECESSARILY I WANT TO HAVE A COURT EVEN IF NOBODY BREAKS THE LAW AND WE DON'T GET ANY FINES AND FORFEITURES, I STILL WANT TO HAVE A COURT. SO WE'RE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE THAT. RIGHT? BUT THAT FORMULA THAT IS NOT IN HERE, IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET, RIGHT. THE IT'S BEHIND THE SCENES NUMBERS THAT ARE AGGREGATED WEST JORDAN, WEST JORDAN, WEST JORDAN BUDGET FOR THE COURT WILL BE NET OF THE TAYLORSVILLE BUDGET. THE TAYLORSVILLE EXPENSES AND REVENUES. YEAH, RIGHT. BUT WE

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THAT'S 5000 PAGES. YEAH, IT'S A BIG, BIG DEAL. RIGHT NOW WE'RE MAKING THE ADJUSTMENT. WE WERE WE WERE SET TO HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT KICK IN THIS SPRING AT THE LAST MINUTE. THE DOJ SAID WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT REQUIRED A YEAR FROM NOW. SO THEY PUSHED BACK THE DEADLINE A YEAR. AS A RESULT, WE'RE HOLDING OFF, BUT THAT WILL HAVE A SMALL BUDGETARY IMPACT AS WE WORK TO MAKE SOME OF OUR WEBSITES MORE ADA COMPLIANT, PARTICULARLY TAKING OUR BIGGEST DOCUMENTS LIKE THE BUDGET BOOK, THE GENERAL PLAN, THE. GENERAL PLANS ARE. BUT SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS, PUTTING THEM ON AMERICAN LEGAL PUBLISHING AND THEN HAVING THEM MAKE THEM ADA COMPLIANT. EVERYTHING ELSE, IF IT'S A ONE PAGE PDF OR SO, WE'RE SWITCHING IT INTO HTML SO THAT WE CAN DO IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE, BUT ARE REALLY, REALLY BIG DOCUMENTS. HAVE THEM

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ANY QUESTIONS? YOU WANT TO DO? LET'S DO COUNCIL OFFICE. COUNCIL OFFICE WHILE THEY'RE HERE. YEAH, YEAH. NON-DEPARTMENTAL IS VERY EASY. WE DON'T MAKE ANY DRAMATIC CHANGES IN NON-DEPARTMENTAL EXCEPT TO TAKE RISK THE RISK ALLOCATIONS OUT OF NON-DEPARTMENTAL AND ALLOCATE THEM TO THE DEPARTMENTS AS MENTIONED PRIOR. SO NON-DEPARTMENTAL WILL GO DOWN. BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING DOWN. IT'S NOT JUST GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT'S JUST GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND COMMUNITY ARTS IS CASH GRANT. THAT'S RIGHT. PLUS, NO, THAT'S NOT THE COMMUNITY ART. THAT'S NOT THE CENTER. THAT'S NOT THE COMMUNITY. ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ART LINE ITEM OR THE I'M ASKING ABOUT OUR PUBLIC ART. PUBLIC ART IN OUR CAPITAL PROJECT. YEAH. OKAY. HOW COME THE HEALTHY CITY COMMITTEE ISN'T DOING ANYTHING THAT WAS CHANGED TO THAT TITLE? TWO COMMITTEES. SO IT WAS MOVED UP TO IT WAS TAKEN FROM JUST HEALTHY CITIES TO ALL OF THE TITLE TWO COMMITTEES. SO SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE, EVENTS COMMITTEE, HEALTHY WEST JORDAN DIVERSITY COMMITTEE. SO IT WAS A $5,000 AMOUNT FOR ALL OF THOSE COMMITTEES TO SHARE OR USE INSTEAD OF JUST HEALTHY, JUST HEALTHY WEST JORDAN. AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THEIR STRENGTH IS? OR THE 2000 500, 5000 JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY FOR THOSE COMMITTEES TO ACCESS? IN THE PAST, THEY'VE DONE A COUPLE OF EVENTS. THEY'VE DONE THE COMMUNITY GARDEN BOXES OUT OF THAT FUND. THEY'VE DONE SOME SUSTAIN. I'M MOSTLY AWARE OF THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE. I DON'T KNOW, SMALL AMOUNTS. YEAH.

WHAT ABOUT THE DECREASE IN THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE? SORRY, THE 12000 WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISNOMER. THAT WAS TWO YEARS WORTH 6000 ANNUALLY. IS THE IS THE NORMAL AMOUNT. YEAH. YEAH.

THE ELECTION. NO ELECTION THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S OUT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S WE ARE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE OF $10,000 TO THE EMPLOYEE EVENT COMMISSION LINE ITEM. WE'VE BEEN HOT ON THE EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION LINE ITEM A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S THE HATS OFF PROGRAM BY AND LARGE. WE ALSO USE THAT FOR SOME OTHER SMALL RECOGNITIONS, LIKE WHEN A DEPARTMENT DOES SOMETHING REALLY GREAT, WE MAY REWARD THEM WITH A PIZZA, LUNCH OR SOMETHING SMALL. WE TAKE IT OUT OF THAT RECOGNITION LINE ITEM. THE EMPLOYEE EVENTS LINE IS 75,000. THAT COVERS THE CHRISTMAS LUNCHEON AND THE SUMMER PARTY. YES. WE'RE HOPING YOU'RE COMING TO THE SUMMER EVENT. YEAH, THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR MAY 29TH. IT'S A BARBECUE IN THE PARK THERE. WE'RE PRETTY CONSTRAINED. MAY 20TH, MAY 29TH. YEAH. SO IT'S COMPARED TO YEARS PAST, IT'S IT'S MODEST. SOME SOME YEARS THEY CAN FIND A GREAT DEAL. BUT IT'S HARD. IT'S, IT'S HARD. USUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE BULK OF THAT LINE ITEM IS FOR THE CHRISTMAS PARTY. AND SO THE SUMMER PARTY IS, IS BUDGET CONSTRAINT A LITTLE MORE CASUAL. WE HAVE DONE IT AT RUSH FUNPLEX A COUPLE OF YEARS. WE HAVE ONE

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THAT PREDATES ME. WELL, OKAY, IT WAS SEVEN PEAKS BY THEN. SEE THAT AGAIN? RAGING WATERS WAS SEVEN PEAKS BY THE TIME WE DID OUR EMPLOYEE PARTY THERE, IT WAS LIKE ON ITS LAST BREATH, IT WAS. I THINK WE MADE 11 MONTH LONGER. IT WAS IT WAS DYING FUN. IT WAS SAYING IT WAS GET. THEY ENCOURAGED YOU, BUT I SAVE US SOME MONEY, REFILL IT FOR US. I HAVE APPROVED THAT PLACES OUTSIDE THE CITY, BUT I. PARK IS INSIDE THE CITY. IT IS. THIS IS AN EASY WAY TO APPROVE THIS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON NON-DEPARTMENTAL? OKAY. SO OVER TO YOU, ALAN. I'M GOING TO STAY ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE FOR THIS COUNCIL CHAIR. NO, THAT'S NOT WHERE YOU PRESENT. IT'S NOT THE HOT SEAT. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU FROM THERE. IT'S HOT ENOUGH IN THIS SEAT EVERY WEEK, BUT. SO THE PERSONNEL COSTS HAVE GONE UP WITH ME. THIS IS THE FIRST FULL YEAR WITH THE SALARY INCREASE FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. SO THAT'S THE BULK OF THAT.

THERE'S ALSO A CHANGE IN BENEFIT SELECTIONS THROUGH THE ELECTION PROCESS. HAVING A COUPLE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE BENEFIT SELECTIONS HAVE CHANGED WITH THAT. ALSO THE. YEAH, COSTS WENT UP BECAUSE YOU INCREASED YOUR ALLOCATION. THE INDIRECT COSTS WENT UP BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE ALLOCATION ON LIKE WITH IT. AND. THIS ONE, WHICH ONE ARE YOU YOUR SAVINGS TO SEE YOU WENT UP IN EXPENSE FROM ACTUAL TO BUDGET AND THEN YOUR BUDGETS GETTING REDUCED BY 14%. AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS. YEAH. THE INDIRECT COST, WHICH IS WE BUMPED IT UP. TO COST 60.

THAT'S HOW MUCH 60 IS DISPERSED TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS STUFF WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT, STUFF WITH SEWER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO THERE'S THE INDIRECT COSTS COME IN. SO THE RESULT IS A DECREASE OF 14% TO THE COUNCIL OFFICE BUDGET. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE 6000 IN CONTINGENCY WHEN WE DON'T SPEND IT. IT ROLLS OVER THE NEXT YEAR TO 6000. IT JUST FALLS TO FUND BALANCE RESERVES. AND WE END UP TRANSFERRING IT TO THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES, THE LARGEST THE LARGEST EXPENSE THE COUNCIL HAD IS PUTTING THE FLAGPOLES AT THE RODEO GROUND. THAT'S THE LARGEST EXPENSE. HOW MUCH WAS THE PARK IN? WE DID THAT. WE DIDN'T TAKE THAT OUT OF COUNCIL. YEAH, THAT CAME OUT OF. I THOUGHT THAT WAS IT. IT STARTED OUT THAT WAY, BUT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH FUNDS. SO IT WENT TO. SO THAT'S OUR LARGEST EXPENSE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE STAGE IN THE MEMORIAL? YEAH. STAGE. YEAH.

THEY'RE BOTH CAPITAL. WE DID SMALL CAPITAL PROJECTS. I KNOW, BUT AT FIRST IT WAS GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT OF. YEAH. IT WAS A MORE EXPENSIVE PROJECT THAN THAT. YEAH. BUT THE DIRECT ONE THAT CAME FROM COUNCIL CONTINGENCY WAS THE FLAGPOLES. SO BESIDES, THE FLAGS WERE I MEAN, THAT SAYS. 137. RIGHT. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FROM 2025. SO THAT'S WHEN WE THAT'S WHEN WE ALLOCATED THE CONTINGENCY OR NO, THAT'S THE ACTUAL EXPENSE IN. 25 I CAN'T IMAGINE WE ONLY SPENT ONE. 35 FROM CONTINGENCY. REALLY WE DON'T USE IT THAT MUCH. WE REDUCED IT. WE REDUCED IT A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE STARTED THE YOUTH COUNCIL. SO WE TOOK A BASELINE OF 5000 OUT OF. IT WAS 65,000. WE TOOK 5000 OUT AND MOVED IT OVER TO A YOUTH COUNCIL LINE. I MEAN, DO WE NEED 60,000 IF WE'RE NOT USING IT? I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. WE WANT IT FOR A PROJECT, AND IT NEVER HURTS TO HAVE IT, TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN THE CIP EVENTUALLY. THAT'S TAKING MONEY FROM CITIZENS WHEN IT ROLLS OVER, RIGHT? YEAH. IF WE DON'T USE IT, WE DON'T. WE DON'T.

WE'RE STILL TAKING MONEY FROM IF WE DON'T USE IT, IT GOES TO SIP AND WE USE IT ON PRODUCTS.

YES IT DOES. SO DO TEN MINUTES ON LEGAL. IF YOU WANT TO DO LEGAL OR DO YOU WANT TO BREAK FOR DINNER, I THINK YOU CAN GET ANOTHER ONE. HEY, JOSH. YOU'RE UP. YEAH. IT SHOULD BE PRETTY

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WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT SUCCESSFULLY IN OUR REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR. HOW BIG IS YOUR DEPARTMENT? WE HAVE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY SIDE, FIVE ATTORNEYS AND THEN ONE STAFF MEMBER THAT SUPPORTS US, THAT STAFF MEMBER WHO SUPPORTS US ALSO MOONLIGHTS IN THE PROSECUTION TEAM AS WELL. SO SHE SHE'S VERY EFFICIENT, DOES A LOT OF REALLY GREAT THINGS FOR BOTH SIDES. THERE. ANY QUESTIONS ON CITY ATTORNEY BUDGET? OKAY. FOR PROPERTY ADMINISTRATION, THIS IS A DIVISION OF ONE. DAVE CLEMENTS IS A SUPERHERO WHO TAKES CARE OF ALL OF THIS FOR US. YOU'LL SEE AGAIN, PRETTY CONSISTENTLY ACROSS IN THE PAST WITH HIS OPERATIONS, DAVE HAS NOT BEEN REAL AGGRESSIVE IN PURSUING OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRAINING OR EDUCATION THINGS. IT'S VERY, VERY GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES. I'VE ENCOURAGED HIM TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO USE THOSE FUNDS IN EFFICIENT WAYS, SO THAT HE CAN CONTINUE TO SHARPEN HIS SKILLS AND, AND MAKE SURE HE'S PROVIDING THE BEST SERVICES HE CAN TO THE CITY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HE HAD THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT. IF THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY THAT PRESENTS ITSELF FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE. ANY QUESTIONS ON PROPERTY ADMINISTRATION? HE IS WORTH HIS WAY. YEAH. DAVE DOES TREMENDOUS WORK TO HELP THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS. ALSO IN HELPING WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WITH UTILITIES. HE TRULY IMPACTS EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY IN WAYS THAT VERY FEW DO. WITH PROSECUTION OFFICE. WE DO HAVE INCREASES IN THE PERSONNEL AS IT INDICATES THERE WAS JUST SEEN CONTINUED INCREASES IN EXPERIENCE. WE HAVE VERY, VERY GOOD PROSECUTORS THAT WORK IN OUR OFFICE. YOU SAW THE CASE NUMBERS THAT WERE COMING THROUGH. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COURTS, WE HAVE THREE FULL TIME PROSECUTORS AND ONE PART TIME PROSECUTOR THAT TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THAT WORKLOAD. WE'VE SEEN SOME INCREMENTAL INCREASES AGAIN THERE WITH SUBSCRIPTIONS, TRAVEL, TRAINING EXPENSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR VERY MUCH AT ALL IN THE OPERATIONS INCREASE FOR THIS YEAR. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROSECUTION SIDE? KIND OF EXPENSES ARE THOSE? INDIRECT COSTS? IT'S IT MOSTLY IT. TAKES OFFICE 365 FOR ALL OF THEM OR FILE MINE OR THERE'S ALL KINDS OF SYSTEMS PROSECUTED.

PROSECUTOR. IT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PROSECUTION BUDGET I MIGHT ADD? I GET VERY FEW COMPLAINTS ABOUT OUR PROSECUTORS AND WHAT I DO, AND I LOOK INTO IT. I SEE AS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLAINING THAT THE PROBLEM IS. AND PROSECUTORS.COM, WE HAVE REAL GOOD PROSECUTORS. I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE DO. YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN INTERESTING WATCHING THROUGH THE COURT MERGER TO SEE KIND OF ON THE INSIDE HOW ANOTHER CITY OPERATES. TAYLORSVILLE DOES THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN WE DO. I REALLY LIKE THE WAY WE DO THINGS. I THINK THERE ARE GOOD REASONS, GOOD EFFICIENCIES, THAT COME WITH THE WORK THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, AND APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND CONTINUING TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE. LAST ONE THAT WE HAVE IS WITH OUR VICTIM ADVOCATES PROGRAM. VICTIM ADVOCATES HAVE, DURING THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, SEEN A LOT OF TURNOVER IN THE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE REALLY GREAT PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. I HOPE THAT WE'LL HAVE THOSE GREAT PEOPLE FOR A GOOD, LONG TIME, AND WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO TAKE CARE OF THEM AND KEEP THEM AROUND. I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY SOON AFTER WE'RE DONE. WITH ALL OF THE BUDGET PROCESS COMING IN FOR THE KIND OF

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THAT PREDATES JOSH. IT'S MUCH, MUCH BETTER. PEOPLE THAT COME IN TO THE VICTIM ADVOCATE'S OFFICE HAVE A DISCREET ENTRANCE. FRANKLY, WE DON'T SEE THEM VERY MUCH IN CITY HALL BECAUSE THEY CAN KIND OF COME IN THAT DOOR BY THE CLINIC, GO IN, MEET WITH THEIR ADVOCATES AND GO OUT.

THAT WAS VERY INTENTIONAL TO BE DESIGNED THAT WAY. BEFORE. VICTIM ADVOCATES USED TO BE ON THE THIRD FLOOR HERE, ACTUALLY, WHERE THE MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM IS NOW. AND WE WOULD FIND VICTIM VICTIMS WANDERING AROUND CITY HALL NOT KNOWING WHERE TO GO, FEELING LIKE THEY'RE HAVING TO TELL 4 OR 5 PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING WHAT WHAT THEY WERE THERE FOR, WHICH IS SOMETIMES EMBARRASSING TO THEM SOMETIMES. OKAY, GREAT. IT'S MUCH BETTER. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD.

GOOD QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VICTIM ADVOCATES PROGRAM? I USED TO BE A ADVOCATE. I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING THEM. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING, YOU ARE. WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO VOLUNTEER SUPPORT FOR THE PROGRAM. IT MAKES A REAL DIFFERENCE. OUR ADVOCATES CARRY A HEAVY, HEAVY LOAD. DO THEY MAINTAIN A VOLUNTEER POOL? YEAH WE DO. IT'S IT'S NOT A VERY DEEP POOL, BUT WE HAVE SOME VERY, VERY REMARKABLE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEDICATED A LOT OF TIME LIKE THAT. BUT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE. JOANNE WANTS TO TALK TO YOU. YEAH. HAVING BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A VICTIM ADVOCATE, I CAN SAY THAT THEY ARE MUCH NOT IN THIS CITY, BUT IN A PREVIOUS CITY. HAVING BEEN ON THAT SIDE OF VICTIM ADVOCATE DESK. IT'S A VERY IT'S A VERY WELL. WELL RUN AND WELL, WELL INTENTIONED SERVICES VERY NEEDED. THEY MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR THE PROSECUTORS, FOR THE RESIDENTS, EVERYBODY. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THERE? I THINK THAT THEN THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT FOR ME. WE'LL BE BACK TO TALK ABOUT RISK MANAGEMENT. A COUPLE OF MEETINGS DOWN THE ROAD. MAKE ONE COME. WE'LL BE HERE. ALL RIGHT. IT'S 630, SO PROBABLY WE SHOULD STOP HERE AND ALLOW YOU TO REFRESH BEFORE YOUR COUNCIL MEETING. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. THAT'S THE NEXT ONE.

ALL RIGHT THEN, WITH THAT, NO FURTHER BUSINESS, WE'LL MOVE IT TO THE NEXT. I'LL ADJOURN THIS

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.