May 26, 2026 Committee of the Whole

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JESSICA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL BEGIN THIS COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR MAY 26TH, 2026.

[Call to Order]

[a. Discussion of Proposed Land Use Project at West Ridge Academy]

COUNCIL. I DID HAVE SOME SLIDES THAT I SENT IN WHEN WE COULD. CHASE WITH THE AI. THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. I HAVE TANNER JOHNSON WITH ME. HE IS A PROJECT MANAGER. WE ALSO HAVE BRIAN FLAM, ONE OF THE PARTNERS AT DEI, AND. EVERYBODY ELSE. YEAH. THANKS AGAIN FOR HAVING US HERE. WE'LL BE QUICK. WE KNOW THIS IS A MEETING THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS TO ADDRESS, SO WE WILL GET THROUGH IT. I PREPARED A LOT MORE SLIDES THAN IS NEEDED. JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I CAN HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME THAT WE CAN LOOK AT RATHER THAN LEAVING ME TO TRY TO DESCRIBE IT TO YOU. SO JUST AS A HEADS UP, WE AT DEI HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH WEST RIDGE ACADEMY FOR PROBABLY A YEAR. AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, THEY CEASED OPERATIONS BACK IN JANUARY OF 2025, HAVE SHUT DOWN THE CAMPUS, ARE NO LONGER OPERATING WHAT THEY PREVIOUSLY DID THERE AS A RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY. THIS IS ALEX WINTER. HE IS A MEMBER OF THE WEST RIDGE ACADEMY BOARD, SO IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT, WE CAN WE CAN TALK TO ALEX. BUT THEY'VE CEASED OPERATIONS. THEY HAVE, HOWEVER, IDENTIFIED THAT THEY WANT TO KEEP SOME FORM OF A MISSION GOING. THEY HAVE A CHARITABLE USE THAT IS THEIR DRIVING MISSION, AND THEY WANT TO KEEP THAT MOVING FORWARD. HOWEVER, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THAT RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT OPTION ISN'T THE WAY THAT THEY WANT IT TO GO. SO WE CAME ACROSS THAT INFORMATION, REACHED OUT TO THEM, AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, LIKE I SAID, FOR THE PAST YEAR ON A POTENTIAL PROJECT ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANT TO DIVE INTO TODAY. BUT I THINK THAT THAT INFORMATION IS HELPFUL. AGAIN, ALEX WINTER'S HERE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEIR FUTURE PLANS ARE, WHAT THEIR OPERATIONS LOOK LIKE. NOW, THIS IS JUST A RENDERING OF WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE. SO MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY.

WE KIND OF IDENTIFIED IT. WHAT'S THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT? I WON'T GET INTO THAT. THIS IS A RECORDED MEETING, SO WE WON'T KEEP WE'LL WE'LL KEEP IT OFF THE RECORD. BALD HEADS DISGUISE HERE. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU NEVER KNOW. I'VE LOOKED THE SAME. THERE ARE SEVERAL OF US IN THE ROOM, RIGHT? THE SAME AGE FOR 40 YEARS, SO. RIGHT. SO WHY SO SO. THE THE OVERALL PROPERTY OUT AT WEST RIDGE ACADEMY IS 47 ACRES. AND IT'S KIND OF DIVIDED UP INTO WHAT WAS HISTORICALLY THE BOYS CAMPUS ON THE NORTH END, COLORED AND GREEN IN THE EARLY 2000, WEST RIDGE ALSO BUILT A GIRLS CAMPUS, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN YELLOW. AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS UNDEVELOPED LAND OUTSIDE OF THOSE TWO AREAS IN RED. SO THAT TOTAL ACREAGE OF ABOUT 47 ACRES, THE CURRENT LAND USE IS PUBLIC FACILITIES. THE CURRENT ZONING, PUBLIC FACILITIES AS WELL. JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU A PREVIEW OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH WEST RIDGE ACADEMY ON AND STAFF, AS WELL AS WE'VE MET WITH THEM PRELIMINARILY FOR PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS AND KIND OF TALKED THROUGH ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES. WE'VE KIND OF BACKED INTO A TOWNHOME COMMUNITY THAT PRESERVES AS EXISTING POINT, OR DOES IT NOT SHOW UP ON THE TV, WON'T SHOW UP, WON'T SHOW UP ON THE TV.

OKAY. ON THAT SOUTH END WHERE THE GIRLS CAMPUS WAS, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IN BROWN. OUR INTENT IN WORKING WITH WESTRIDGE IS TO PRESERVE THOSE, TO KEEP THOSE IN PLACE AND INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, RATHER THAN LEVELING THEM AND COMING IN WITH A, YOU KNOW, A TOTALLY DIFFERENT USE THERE. I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO PAY HOMAGE TO WHAT HAS BEEN THERE. AND RATHER THAN LEAVING IT AS SOME OTHER USER, WE'VE WE'VE WORKED WITH WESTRIDGE TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR PROPOSED PROJECT. AND AGAIN,

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SO THIS THIS IS ALL PRIVATE. AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES DOWN HERE. SO THERE'S NO ACCESS THROUGH. YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM OUR. I THOUGHT THIS WAS IMPORTANT TO CALL IT AS WELL. THERE IS ALREADY AN EXISTING SIX FOOT PRECAST FENCE ALONG

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I'VE LISTENED TO SOME CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS WHO FEEL LIKE THAT'S A, IF THERE'S STREET PARKING ON THAT ROAD, THAT IT WOULD BE A CONCERN FOR GETTING DUMP TRUCKS UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. YEAH. AND I IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE GOT ADEQUATE PARKING INSIDE THE FACILITY, BUT. SEEMS LIKE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS ALWAYS HAVE PARKING OUT ON THE STREET ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY. NOT PLANNED, BUT PEOPLE'S PARK BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO PARK IT. YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT MANY UNITS CLOSE TOGETHER, YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH STREET PARKING, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S A DOUBLE DRIVEWAY PICKS UP THE STREET. THERE'S NO CURB SPACE. YEAH, EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S PROBABLY WORTH US LOOKING AT IS HOW MANY ADDITIONAL PARKING STALLS, PARKING UNITS WE COULD GET WITHIN THE PROJECT, NOT COUNTING BERKELEY, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD EVER TRY TO ENCOURAGE, IS TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EXTRA PARKING ON BAGLEY, RIGHT? WE WE WOULD PREFER IT BE INTERNAL WITHIN THE PROJECT, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO JUST ORGANICALLY HAPPEN THOUGH. YEAH, IT DOES. BASED ON THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT. SO IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED SOMEHOW I THINK. WHAT ABOUT THE EXISTING THE BOYS SECTION. YEAH. MAYBE I'M KNOCKING YOU OFF YOUR NO YOU'RE GOOD. LET ME THIS IS WHY I HAVE ALL THESE SLIDES SO WE CAN JUMP BACK TO THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW.

ALEX, CAN I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT HERE OF THE THE PLAN FOR THE NORTH CAMPUS? YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE WORKING WITH UTAH COMMUNITY ACTION RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE GOING TO UTILIZE IT FOR A BUNCH OF NONPROFITS THAT WILL HELP JUST YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY AND FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR WAY OF PRESERVING THOSE HOMES THAT ARE THERE AND THE BUILDINGS THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTH PARTIES WERE SENSITIVE TO IS WITH THIS BEING A CONTINUED CHARITABLE USE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS USE LOOKED LIKE AS YOU TRANSITIONED AWAY FROM THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, ALEX, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES THAT WESTBROOK HAD IS FINDING CHARITABLE USER THAT COULD OCCUPY ALL OF THAT SPACE. AND SO THEY, AS A BOARD, DECIDED TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT TO SELL THAT SOUTHERN PORTION, BUT MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS A COMPATIBLE USE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE CONTINUED IN TERMS OF CHARITABLE USES ON THE NORTH CAMPUS. AND THIS ONE, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S FAMILIARITY, THIS

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AND BRING THE WATER TO THE THE CITY AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WELLS GO DRY, RIGHT? THEY DO SO. SO THE WELL DOESN'T MEAN A THING TO ME BECAUSE I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS ANY OF THE OUR NEIGHBORS PLUMES IN IT, WHICH IS A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY, WHICH MAY MEAN PLUMES ARE. WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT IS A MINOR, AND WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF STUFF THERE. GOT IT, GOT IT. JUST SAY KENNECOTT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE MY NEIGHBOR. SO FOR ME, THAT'S NOT A SELLING POINT AT ALL. AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE WANTING WHAT IS IN OUR PACKET IS 339 UNITS. BUT REALLY YOU WANT TO ADD MORE UNITS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ADD THAT. AND WE ONLY HAVE 113 ERCS FOR THAT AREA. THAT'S A HUGE DEFICIT. AND THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I SEE IS YOU ARE WANTING TO PUT REALLY USES THAT ARE JUST TO ME CRAZY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT INDUSTRIAL ON ONE SIDE AND YOU WANT TO STICK A BUNCH OF RESIDENTIAL THERE. AND WE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON BADLY. SO YOU COULD SAY, WELL, THAT'S A GREAT AREA BECAUSE THEY CAN GO TO TRACKS, BUT NOT SAFELY INDUSTRIAL. OKAY, YOU'RE JUST SAYING WHERE THE SUN DIAL IS. THE INDUSTRIAL IS AROUND. THE INDUSTRIAL IS RIGHT HERE. THERE. YEAH, YEAH. SO THEY'RE NOT ADDING INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S ALL INDUSTRIAL. AND THEN WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO TO ME WE HAVE AN ISSUE OF NOT THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED. I DON'T FEEL AS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. AND THERE'S NOT WATER. I THINK THAT YEAH YOU HAVE A BUFFER OF GREEN, BUT YOU'RE ALSO WANTING TO PUT APARTMENT HOUSES BASICALLY IN THAT EXISTING BUILDING. NO. AND

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BUT AS IS, I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO ANYONE, NOT THE FUTURE USERS, NOT THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL, NOT THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S THE PERFECT BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THAT'S OUT THERE AND THE INDUSTRIAL THAT'S THERE. I THINK THIS IS YOU PUT IN AGAINST DENSER HOUSING IN BETWEEN THE LOW DENSITY AND THE INDUSTRIAL. I THINK THAT'S THE PERFECT BUFFER. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHE NEEDS. THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL BORDERING THIS IS THE HOUSES THAT BACK UP TO BAGLEY PARK. BACKUP TO BACKUP PARK. RIGHT? YEAH. THIS WOULD BE A REAR LOAD PRODUCT. SO YOUR FRONT DOOR WOULD BE WOULD BE I WOULD I WOULD REVERSE THAT.

MAYBE THOSE JUST SO LOOKING AT YOUR BACK DOOR, PAST THE FENCE TO BACK TO THE PARK. IT'S REALLY WINDY IN CASE YOU MISSED IT. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING IS I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T IF I WAS THE DEVELOPER, I WOULD SAY, WELL, I'D PUT FRONT LOAD UNITS THERE AND HAVE THEM FACE THE INSIDE STREET INSTEAD OF FACING THE INDUSTRIAL. OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK I THINK YOU'RE. IT'S A LOT OF UNITS ON THE LAND THAT YOU'VE GOT. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE ONLY GETTING 10.8 BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF OPEN SPACE ON THE EXISTING USES AND THE, YOU KNOW, THAT PARK AREA THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON THE EAST SIDE THERE. I THINK THAT DENSITY COUNTS THE NUMBER OF UNITS THEY'LL PUT IN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS. SO IT DOESN'T COUNT THESE. AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HIDE THAT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.

RIGHT. WHAT WHAT THE USES USES WOULD BE IN THESE EXISTING. SO THE DENSITY AND THE NUMBER HERE JUST IS WHAT YOU SEE. YEAH. I DON'T THINK YOU, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET HOUSING IN THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT'S GOING TO THROW OFF YOUR PARKING NUMBERS. IT'S GOING TO THROW OFF YOUR DENSITY CALCULATIONS. IT'S GOING TO THROW OFF YOUR YOUR USE ON YOUR WATER. BUT WHAT ELSE WOULD WHAT'S THE POINT OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION THAT SOMEDAY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW RIGHT NOW. BRIAN, BRIAN AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVELY. I'LL LET HIM CHIME IN FOR JUST A SECOND, IF THAT'S OKAY. BUT THE THREE BUILDINGS TO THE RIGHT, THEY ACTUALLY LAY OUT PRETTY WELL AS THREE AT GRADE TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT, TWO BEDROOM UNITS. SO WE HAVEN'T GONE AND THROWN ALL THE PARKING IN THERE YET, BUT THEY WOULD NEED. YOU COULD ADD PARKING IF WE IF WE COUNTED THREE UNITS FOR EACH OF THOSE, WE'D NEED TO BE ADDING. BUT THERE'S ROOM FOR IT SUFFICIENT PARKING TO TO MAKE THAT WORK. WHAT. ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE IN MY HEAD FOR THE BIGGER BUILDING. IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY BECAUSE YOU GO WALK THROUGH IT. IT'S GOT SOME OFFICES WHICH COULD BE USED FOR A LOT OF THINGS, BUT YOU'VE GOT THIS CHAPEL, WHICH YOU CAN SEE. IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE PRETTY NICE BUILDING, BUT ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD THAT COULD BE BOTH BENEFICIAL FOR THE RESIDENTS HERE, AS WELL AS THE BUSINESSES AROUND, WAS SOMETHING LIKE A DAYCARE IN THERE, A MORE OF A SEPARATE FROM THE HEAD START THAT THEY WOULD DO WITH THE UCM. MORE OF A. YEAH, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. COMMUNITY SPECIFIC COMMUNITY, PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE OR WORK NEARBY, GETTING DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO HAVE THEIR KIDS NEARBY, WHICH WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE. I'VE DONE IT IN MY OFFICE PARKS. I'VE NEVER DONE IT RESIDENTIAL. THAT KIND OF SETS UP, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A HUGE ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW THE DAYCARE OVER AT THE SUNSET RIDGE APARTMENTS IS VERY BUSY.

THERE'S A WAIT LIST I PICTURE LIKE YOU GO TO WORK AND IF YOUR DAYCARE IS BY YOUR WORK, IT'S GOOD FOR ONE PARENT IF IT'S A TWO PARENT HOUSEHOLD, RIGHT? BUT THEN IF ONE OF THEM HAS TO STAY, IT'S LIKE, WHEREAS THIS WAY IT'S ONLY ONE PARENT HAS TO GET HOME OR YEAH, DEPENDING ON THEIR AGE, THEY CAN WALK HOME OR WHATEVER. DAYCARE, DAYCARE, DAYCARE, TWO OLDER KIDS. SO I DROP MY KIDS OFF AT DAYCARE WALKING. IT'S VERY DENSE, WHICH DOESN'T, WHICH IS LEAVE IT TO A DAD TO SAY IT THAT WAY. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK I THINK THE USE IS RIGHT. I THINK DENSE HOUSING NEXT TO NEXT TO THE INDUSTRIAL BUFFERING, THE LOW DENSITY. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE CONCEPT. YEAH. LET ME LET ME SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE DENSITY THAT IT'S HARD TO RECONCILE BECAUSE AGAIN, EACH ONE OF THESE KIND OF GOLD UNITS IS REALLY TWO UNITS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A UNIT THAT'S ALMOST THE EXACT SAME FOOTPRINT. THAT'S JUST A THREE BEDROOM OR A FOUR BEDROOM, DEPENDING ON WHICH ONE WE BUILD.

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YEAH. OKAY. NO, THEY'RE ALL SINGLE FLOOR. THEY'RE ALL SINGLE LEVEL. I'M THINKING YOU WERE PUTTING IN ANOTHER. NO, NO, IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY NINE MORE UNITS. 18 BEDROOMS. OH YEAH.

RIGHT. UNITS IS YOUR PROJECT PURCHASE OR RENT? IT WOULD BE A MIXTURE OF BOTH. WE'VE DONE IT IN THE HOUSE. THE MIXTURE YOU'RE ENVISIONING. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO WORK ON WITH YOU. RIGHT. WHICH IS WHY I APPRECIATE THIS PROCESS IS BECAUSE WE'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT THIS TO SAY, OKAY, HOW WOULD WE MIX THAT UP? WE KNOW WE NEED TO INCLUDE A MODERATE INCOME HOUSING COMPONENT. WHERE, WHERE DO WE PLACE THAT? WE DO THAT FOR RENT. WE DO THAT FOR SALE.

SO JUST A QUICK BRUSHSTROKE OF IT. WE SAID, OKAY, WE COULD, WE COULD SELL OFF THIS PORTION TO A BUILDER WHO COULD COME IN AND PHASE THIS THE WAY THAT THEY WANTED TO. AND THEN WE COULD CONTROL AND PHASE THE REST OF IT. OWNER RENTED. YES. SO ALL OF THAT WOULD BE RENTALS. WHERE DID THEY LAND ON THE WATER? YEAH. SO WE'VE DONE, OF COURSE, THE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES CHECKLIST. WE'VE MET WITH GREG AND DAVE AND THERE THERE'S THAT'S A HURDLE, RIGHT? THIS NOTHING HAPPENS UNTIL WE SOLVE THAT 300 AND 345 UNITS. AND WE HAVE 104, 130. WHAT'S THAT. THE PACKET. YEAH. THERE'S A LETTER. OKAY DOC. JUST JUST. YEAH, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SPEAK. YEAH.

GO AHEAD. JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE WATER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND OUTSIDE WATER SHARES AND DELIVER THOSE TO THE CITY OR TO JORDAN VALLEY IN FAVOR OF THE CITY. SO THEY CAN APPLY TO THIS, BECAUSE 50 ACRE FEET ISN'T GOING TO HANDLE A FAIR REQUEST.

SO NO MATTER WHAT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY WATER SHARES ON THE OPEN MARKET AND EITHER DELIVER IT TO THE CITY OR TO THE VALLEY. GREG. MY OTHER CONCERN, THOUGH, IS SEWER, BECAUSE THAT'S ADDING A TON OF WAYS TO GO DOWN A PIPE THAT WASN'T BUILT FOR IT. RIGHT.

IT'LL BE SIGNIFICANT FROM THERE TO THE JORDAN RIVER IS SIGNIFICANT. THERE'LL BE SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES TO THE CITY SYSTEM IF IT'S APPROVED AT THIS DENSITY. THEY'VE ALSO DONE A STUDY. THE STUDY HAS IDENTIFIED WHICH PIPES HAVE TO BE UPSIZED. AND IT'S A LARGE LIST. IT'S NOT A SMALL LIST. AND THE DEVELOPER KNOWS ABOUT IT. SO THE BEST WE CAN DO IS LET THEM KNOW ABOUT IT SO THEY CAN DECIDE, IS THIS EVEN A PROJECT THAT IS FEASIBLE AT THIS DENSITY? AND I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT. I LIKE THAT WE DO IT THAT WAY BECAUSE COME IN EYES WIDE OPEN AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL HERE. WE KNOW ALL THAT INFORMATION. WE'RE STILL HERE.

RIGHT? THEY KNOW IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CHEAP. AND THOSE UPGRADES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN NO MATTER WHO BUILDS WHAT WHERE. RIGHT. I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T LET THIS COME BACK WITHOUT AN NDA THAT SPECIFICALLY SAID THESE HAVE TO BE UPGRADED AND THE DEVELOPER WOULD MAKE THE UPGRADES. YEAH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT AS PART OF YOUR IF IT WERE TO COME BACK. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT LIST RIGHT SPECIFICALLY, BUT THEY COULD BE UPGRADING SEWER PIPES OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK. IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN. MAYBE NOT EXACTLY RIGHT HERE, BUT YEAH, I KNOW WHAT I MEAN. AND I'M NOT NOT TOO FAR AWAY. YEAH. SO THESE ARE PIPES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE UPSIZED ANYWAY AS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS OUT ON THE WEST SIDE. SO I LOVE IT WHEN SOMEBODY'S WILLING TO COME IN AND SAY, YEAH, WE'LL PAY FOR THAT. I LIKE THAT. I LIKE SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB ABOUT THE. I DO THINK THAT THE. IT'S NOT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TOWNHOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND IT COULD BE A NICE BUFFER TO THIS INDUSTRIAL. ALTHOUGH I AM INTERESTED IN WHAT THE INDUSTRIAL IS, I DON'T KNOW. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT'S WHAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT. IT'S GOT LIKE SOME WAREHOUSING. THERE'S SOME. YEAH, YOU'VE GOT AN AUTOMOTIVE MECHANIC SHOP, YOU'VE GOT AN AGGREGATE PROCESSING HERE. YOU'VE GOT ON THIS SIDE. YEAH, YEAH, THAT, THAT GIVES ME A SENSE ENOUGH. AND I ALSO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCKE'S COMMENTS. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S TOO MANY. I AM REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE WATER.

BUT I, I WAS REALLY INTRIGUED BY THIS IDEA OF A TOWNHOME SETUP THAT HAD A TWO BEDROOM

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YOU'RE YOU'RE FINE. IF YOU OR THE CITY STARTED LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AND ALL THIS. I MEAN, WE'VE DONE A PRELIMINARY TWO LITTLE OUTLETS THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS SITE IS THAT AND THIS DIDN'T SHOW UP VERY WELL, I APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THE ROADS HERE. YOU'VE GOT NORTHBOUND MOUNTAIN VIEW, SOUTHBOUND MOUNTAIN VIEW, YOU'VE GOT OLD BINGHAM, YOU'VE GOT NEW BINGHAM, YOU'VE GOT YOURSELF THAT ALL HAVE ACCESS POINTS TO MAJOR CORRIDORS. SO IT'S. AND THE THREE PURPLE SQUARES THERE IS 5600 WEST ON THE LEFT SIDE. THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT REPRESENTS ROADS. THE LITTLE. YEAH. AGAIN THAT'S NOT A GREAT HERE. THIS ONE'S BETTER. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE AERIAL DIDN'T COME THROUGH. SO YOU CAN GET TO MOUNT VIEW HERE. YOU CAN GET TO MOUNTAIN VIEW OUT TO BAGLEY OLD BINGHAM.

THERE'S A MOUNTAIN VIEW ON UP HERE. AND HERE AT 90TH YOU CAN GET TO BINGHAM. YOU CAN GO DOWN 90TH TO GET TO BANGERTER OR DOWN OLD BINGHAM TO 90TH TO BANGERTER. AND 5600 IS RIGHT THERE. BETWEEN THAT AND THIS ONE. YEAH, YEAH. IS IT GOING TO STAND OUT THOUGH, OR ARE WE LOSING THAT ONE? AND LET ME JUST SAY AGAIN, I, I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THIS PROCESS. THE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES CHECKLIST. WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO BEFORE WE DECIDE TO MOVE FURTHER AND SITTING DOWN WITH COUNCIL IN A SESSION LIKE THIS, AND JUST GETTING SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK IS HELPFUL BECAUSE NO PROJECT THAT WE'VE EVER BROUGHT IN IN A MEETING LIKE THIS EVER LOOKS LIKE THIS. WHEN IT WHEN IT GETS BUILT, WHEN IT GETS APPROVED, RIGHT? IT GOES THROUGH THIS ITERATIVE PROCESS WHERE WE MAKE CHANGES, WE UPDATE THINGS. AND SO IT'S HELPFUL TO GET IN EARLY AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT TO IMPROVE ON AND, AND HAVE ANSWERS TO. THE NEXT TIME WE SIT DOWN TO TALK. I'M PERSONALLY REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST AND THE IMPACTS ON THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. I'M ALSO QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE INDUSTRIAL USERS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. YEAH. I'M REALLY YEAH, IT WAS TRAFFIC AND, AND JUST ADDITIONAL PEOPLE AND REALITY. THAT'S 345 UNITS, WHICH MEANS DOUBLE THAT FOR THE AMOUNT OF CARS OR MORE. AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE PARKING THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR ON BAGLEY PARK IS GOING TO REALLY RESTRICT TRAVEL ON THAT ROAD. IT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THEY SHOULD BE FRONT LOAD THERE INSTEAD OF THAT. AND THEN THE RUB THAT JUST TO THE JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS. YEAH.

AND IT GOES THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. IT'S SHOWS FOLLOWS THAT RED PATH THAT THAT ROAD IS ALREADY GETTING A LOT OF DUMP TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE GETTING. AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT A LOT OF, A LOT OF CARS GOING DOWN THAT ROAD IS, IS GOING TO REALLY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT THERE'LL BE A CUT THROUGH. IT WILL BE IT'LL BE A, IT'S THE FASTEST WAY TO NOT EVEN HAVE CUT THROUGH THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO GET TO. SO THAT YOU TALK ABOUT 700 OR WHATEVER CARS GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MAYBE NOW JUST A FEW DOZEN CARS THAT ARE HITTING THAT ROAD IN A GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME. IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG IMPACT. I HAPPEN TO KNOW THERE'S ALREADY A STORM, STORM KIND OF BREWING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT? IS THIS IN YOUR DISTRICT? YES IT IS. COUNCILMEMBER JACOB, YOU WERE SAYING FRONT LOADING. SO PEOPLE WOULD COME IN OFF OF BAGLEY RIGHT INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY. WELL, NO FRONT LOADED. SO I JUST ORIENTED THE SAME WAY BUT NOT HAVE, BUT HAVE THAT BE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WITH THE FRONT DOOR HERE. FLIP THAT. I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE YOU WANT BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE BACKYARDS ON BAGLEY PARK, YOU WON'T HAVE NEARLY AS MUCH ON THE ON STREET PARKING HAPPENING ON BAGLEY PARK BECAUSE IT'S BEHIND THE BACK FENCE. RIGHT? SO QUESTION ON WHEN FENCE WHEN YOU SHOWED THE. YEAH. THE FENCE EXHIBIT.

YEAH, YEAH. NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE. YEAH. NO THE OTHER ONE. NO THIS IS THE. OKAY. SO THIS

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YEAH, WE WE TEND TO HAVE THAT JUST KIND OF BE A NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD AND AGAIN, HAVE THEM COMPATIBLE WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO I DIDN'T NOTICE THIS BEFORE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT OUT OF BAGLEY.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF DUMP TRUCKS. YOU'RE PLANNING JUST A THREE RAIL FENCE. THAT'S WHAT'S EXISTING. AND YEAH THERE'S AN EXISTING. AND THAT'S YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SEE IT FROM THERE. THAT'S THE ACTUAL FENCE THERE RIGHT NOW. SO THERE'S SOME MATURE TREES THAT ARE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. YOU CAN SEE NO SIDEWALKS PLANTING REAL FENCE THERE. YOU PLAN ON JUST USING THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE ESTHETIC THAT WE GO FOR IS HAVING THAT REAR LOAD. BUT THE FRONT DOOR FACING THE ROAD AND THE THREE RAIL FENCE. BUT I'M NOT ALSO I DON'T I'M JUST I'M JUST THINKING KIDS BEING ABLE TO GET THROUGH A THREE RAIL FENCE RIGHT EASILY INTO THERE'S SOME SECURITY TRUCK, INDUSTRIAL THINGS. THEY FLIP THOSE AROUND.

THAT WOULDN'T BE A THREE. YEAH. THAT GOES AWAY. YEAH YOU DO THE IDEA IF IT WAS AN ALLEY LOAD HIGH, NOT HIDING THE FRONT OF THE UNITS AND MAKING THEM. BUT IF YOU GO TO MORE OF A FRONT LOAD WHERE IT'S BACKING THERE, IT BUFFERS BETTER BECAUSE YOU'VE NOW GOT A SOLID WALL BLOCKING IT. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD KEEP THAT GOING, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE TO ME THAN JUST HAVING YOUR MOST DANGEROUS PART. YOU'VE GOT YOUR LEAST FENCING.

OKAY. WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS CAN ANSWER? I KNOW IT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT I NEGLECTED TO SAY I THINK A PARTNERSHIP WITH UK IS ACTUALLY VERY EXCITING FOR THE CITY. THAT'S REALLY COOL. YEAH. THEY'RE GOOD. THEY'RE A GOOD PARTNER. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH FOR A LONG TIME, AND I KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN POUNDING THE PAVEMENT TRYING TO FIND A PARTNER THAT MADE SENSE. AND I THINK YOU'RE CLOSE. I THINK A LITTLE MORE INTERNAL OPEN SPACE, LIKE FEWER UNITS. YEAH, UNITS, BUT INTERNAL OPEN SPACE. SO THAT SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE, IT DOESN'T FEEL, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE, IT FEELS LIKE IT OR NOT WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE AND IT FEELS LIKE 30 UNITS ACRE BECAUSE YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY IT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PROPOSED IN TALKING WITH STAFF IS, AGAIN, HAVING THAT PUBLIC ACCESS TRAIL THROUGH HERE, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT WILDFLOWER PARK. IT'S ABOUT SIX ACRES UTILIZING THAT. AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE DONE IN OTHER PROJECTS UTILIZING THAT AREA FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT, RATHER THAN JUST HAVING PRIVATE AMENITIES WITHIN HERE, BUILDING THAT OR CONTRIBUTING, YOU KNOW, SOME FUNDS TO THE CITY'S IMPROVEMENT OF THAT PARK THAT BENEFITS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, A PRIVATE AMENITY WITHIN, WITHIN OUR OWN PROJECT. SO AGAIN, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT AND TALKED THROUGH, BUT WE FOUND SUCCESS IN DOING THAT IN OTHER PROJECTS AND WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE TALKING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THAT. OKAY. WE PUT A LITTLE BIT FROM CITY STAFF. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE STAFF WHO FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS, OR I COULD SHARE? YES, I WOULD. I REALLY APPRECIATE ABOUT THE COUNCIL IS THAT OVER THE YEARS YOU HAVEN'T YOU HAVEN'T PUSHED BACK ON HIGHER DENSITY MULTIFAMILY, BUT RATHER YOU'VE YOU'VE LOOKED AT WHERE IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT OF THAT HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING NEAR TRANSIT, TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, TRACK STATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHILE IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE INTERNAL DYNAMICS AND MIXTURE OF HOUSING TYPES, IT'S ALSO ESPECIALLY FOR THIS SITE, IT'S CRITICAL TO LOOK AT OUTSIDE THE CONTEXT, YOU KNOW, THE CONTEXT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT THOSE COMMENTS. COUNCIL'S PROBABLY NOT AWARE OF THE HIGH VOLUME OF CALLS THAT MY OFFICE GETS. BERKELEY PARK IS OUR OLDEST INDUSTRIAL PARK IN THE CITY. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF REALLY INTENSE USES, AND I GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS IN MY OFFICE, FROM INDUSTRIAL TO INDUSTRIAL USES, NOT I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT'S IT'S QUITE INTENSE THERE. THERE ARE TIMES WHERE I CAN'T EVEN DRIVE DOWN BAGLEY PARK BECAUSE OF THE SEMI TRUCKS. SO THE COUNCIL, IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS, REALLY NEEDS TO REALLY CAREFULLY DEAL WITH THE HOW, HOW PEOPLE GET IN AND OUT OF THIS AREA, HOW THAT AFFECTS THE EXISTING BUSINESSES. AND THEN IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY. IT IT THE PROPERTY IS MUCH HIGHER IN GRADE THAN THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST. THERE IT STEPS UP QUITE A BIT AND ALL THAT GREEN OPEN SPACE IS BASICALLY A DETENTION AREA AND THAT IT DRAINS OVER TO THE WILD WILDFLOWER PARK THAT MR.

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AND WE'LL WRAP UP WITH SURROUNDING AREA IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS. CHIEFS MENTIONED THE DISTANCES TO MASS TRANSIT, BUT ALSO INTERPLAY WITH SCHOOLS. SO THERE'S A LOT SIDEWALKS, SAFE WALKING ROUTES, SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF CONSIDERATIONS. THIS AREA, BECAUSE IT'S OUR OLDEST INDUSTRIAL AREA, WAS NOT DEVELOPED WITH ANY SIDEWALKS. IT'S NOT FROM TO THE TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. IT'S NOT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT A GOOD REASON FOR ANYBODY TO WANT TO WALK SOUTH AND WEST OF THERE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED. YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE COOL AS A CITY. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. SOME OF THE NEW INDUSTRIAL PLACES DO HAVE SIDEWALKS IN THOSE, NOT VERY MANY. BUT WE DO REQUIRE THAT OUR. INDUSTRIAL SIDEWALKS TOO. YEAH. I MEAN, THIS INDUSTRIAL I WORKED I WORKED IT OUT ACROSS THE STREET FROM DENIM WHEN I, WHEN I GOT MARRIED IN 1998, THAT'S WHERE I WORKED. AND IT WAS THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. AND THIS INDUSTRIAL PARK WAS THERE AND IT'S ALL THAT WAS THERE. AND IT WAS A LONG WAY FROM EVERYTHING. AND I HATED DRIVING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT. AND THEY DO HAVE SIDEWALKS. YEAH. THERE TO A POINT. WE NEED TO START MOVING.

BUT BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? NO. AGAIN, I'M JUST APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR COMMENTS. REALLY. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THESE PROJECTS COME TO LIFE, IS GETTING FEEDBACK FROM STAFF, FROM YOU AS COUNCIL. AND AGAIN, WE KNOW AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT. IT'S GOING TO CHANGE AND IT'S GOING TO GET BETTER. AND WE JUST APPRECIATE APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND THE OPEN MINDEDNESS AS WE'VE TALKED THROUGH IT. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION. OKAY. DO I HAVE FOR YOU OR OKAY TO LET THIS CONTINUE FURTHER INTO THE DISCUSSION PROCESS? WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN DOWN THE LINE. YEAH. WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? LIKE SAYING NO DEVELOPMENT AT ALL? WELL, SAY NO TO THIS PLAN. YES. NOT ISSUES. WELL, WE'RE NOT TAKING A VOTE ON IT. IT'S NOT REALLY BEFORE US IS A MOTION OF WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT OR NOT. I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, BUT YOU'RE SAYING NO TO WHAT THIS IS, AND YOU HAVE TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHAT THAT IS. YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO VOTE ON IT. I THINK YOU GOT THE INFORMATION FROM US. OKAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DEVELOPMENT THERE, BUT PROBABLY NOT THIS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH. SO ANY KIND OF BUILT FOR WHAT TOO MUCH MEANS BECAUSE I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE'D RATHER. WELL, I MEAN, YOU GUYS AREN'T SOMEONE THAT YOU SUPPORT. ERK. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD, UTAH DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF WATER BECAUSE IT'S A DESERT. JUST DON'T BRING A DATA CENTER. SO ACTUALLY, I DON'T USE WATER. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK YOUR DATA CENTER COULD GO THERE. WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS DO? JUST BRING THEIR LIKE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

I'D SUGGEST A DATA CENTER. JUST WANT TO GET REALLY HONESTLY, IF YOU IF YOU PUT IN HOMES SIMILAR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. SINGLE FAMILY, I THINK AT LEAST ON THE NORTH, YOU NEED A HIGH ON THE NORTH END AND ON THE EAST SIDE. THEY SHOULD THEY SHOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONG THE BORDER FOR SOMETHING WE CAN OVERCOME, AT LEAST. YEAH. I THINK YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE BUFFER UNITS. I DON'T THINK THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING THERE. I NOT REALLY LIKE THAT. THEY'RE ABOUT 120. WHAT WE'RE TOLD IS WE NEED HOMES FOR PEOPLE TO BUY AND WE NEED DEVELOPERS. WE NEED TO CREATE A. SO WE NEED AS WELL.

SO WE LIKE TO DO BOTH. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FINDING THE RIGHT BALANCE. SO WE JUST DID ONE IN SOUTH JORDAN WHERE WE WHERE WE'VE AGREED TO DO PART FOR RENT OR FOR SALE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE OPEN TO BECAUSE WE CAN DO BOTH. I THINK AS A COUNCIL, EACH MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO GO OUT THERE AND EXPERIENCE THE USE THAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE. I

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[b. Property Tax Impact Schedule for Fiscal Year 2027]

WELL, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD REQUEST? I'LL SAVE. I'LL SAVE THAT FOR THE COUNCIL AGAIN HERE TONIGHT. I'LL ADD A LITTLE MORE EMPHASIS ON THINGS. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT AND WE'VE GOT ON THE STACK HERE TO GO THROUGH IT.

[c. Discussion of the Fiscal Year 2027 Tentative Budget]

COUNCIL. I'LL BE QUICK, BUT I, I REALLY AM THESE SLIDES REALLY SHOW THE EBB AND FLOW OF DEVELOPMENT AND AND I APPRECIATE DENISE AND HER TEAM UNDERSTANDING THAT EBB AND FLOW.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN FACT, THIS. YEAR, LIKE SKIPPING RIGHT TO. I KNOW THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OH, GEEZ. THIS IS SUPER TOUCHY. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE EBB AND FLOW OF PERMITS. AND THAT'S JUST ONE, ONE METRIC THAT ANALYZES HOW BUSY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS. BUT IT, IT PAINTS A PRETTY GOOD PICTURE. WHAT, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS NEXT SLIDE MAYBE. OKAY. IT IS, IS THAT OVER TIME, AS WE'VE CREATED THIS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FUND, WE'VE GONE DOWN AND WE'VE SAID, OKAY, WHICH OF THE VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS ACTUALLY TOUCH THESE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS? RIGHT. AND YOU CAN SEE UNDER CITY COUNCIL THAT, GUESS WHAT? YOU GUYS LIKE TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE STUFF. SO SO THAT LIKE TO, OKAY, YOU GET TO GET TO, YEAH, YOU LOVE IT. AND SO THAT THAT'S ONE, ONE REASON ADJUSTMENT THAT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR FY 27. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THIS COMING YEAR. OH I SEE I'M SUPPOSED TO ADD UP. WAIT, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE FUND WILL INCREASE FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE. SO LET ME TALK ABOUT INDIRECT COSTS. SO INDIRECT COSTS ARE ALLOCATED EACH YEAR. SO EVERY YEAR WE ASK OUR DEPARTMENTS HOW MUCH TIME DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT DEDICATE

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I'M LIKE JUST ROUND SOMETHING AROUND $1 MILLION. 35% OF THAT MILLION DOLLARS WOULD BE ALLOCATED. THEIR COST WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND CLEARLY NOW. WHEN DID YOU START? WE'VE NOT ALWAYS DONE THIS. WHEN DID WE START IT? DENISE, I WANT TO SAY 2022 OR 2021. YEAH. LIKE, YEAH. BEFORE THE FUNDS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN DID WE START ADMINISTRATION COST ALLOCATION OR WHEN DID WE MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FUND FIRST? YEAH, WE'VE DONE THE COST ALLOCATION, ADMINISTRATIVE COST ALLOCATION SINCE NOT BEFORE ME SINCE WE GOT HERE. YEAH, YEAH. BUT DENISE HAD BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE WE STARTED IT. I JUST THINK THAT'S GOOD CONTEXT. NO, WE DIDN'T, BUT IT WAS DIFFERENT.

IT WAS VERY DIFFERENT, BUT IT WAS STILL THE SAME CONCEPT. YEAH. IT DOESN'T SHOW UP THAT WAY. IT'S VERY CLEAR WHEN YOU GO, OKAY, YOU KNOW THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, 20% OF THE COST OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS ALLOCATED OVER INTO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO WHEN YOU DO A COST STUDY FOR HOW MUCH SHOULD A PERMIT COST? THAT REALLY SHOULD REFLECT THE TIME THAT ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS ARE PUTTING INTO THAT PERMIT, NOT JUST IT'S REALLY EASY FOR A DEVELOPER TO GO, WELL, THAT DOESN'T COST THAT MUCH BECAUSE JUST THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR EXPENSES, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT COSTS. BUT LOOK AT THE LEGISLATIVE, THE FINANCIAL, THE EVERY THE FACILITY TO HOUSE THE BUILDING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. ALL OF THOSE THINGS CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THAT PERMIT BEING ABLE TO BE PROCESSED. SO SEVERAL THE REASON THAT THE LEGISLATURE SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO. WE THINK CITIES ARE GETTING RICH ON PERMITS AND DEVELOPMENT FUNDS. WAS THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT IN CITIES THAT ARE NEWER DEVELOPERS? YOU'LL SEE THESE HUGE INFLUXES OF CASH, BUT THEN YOU'LL SEE TIMES WHERE THEY EBB AND FLOW UP AND DOWN, AND WHEN THEY DOWN COMES, THEN THEY DON'T TEND TO COMPLAIN, RIGHT? SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS YOU END UP SUBSIDIZING. WE REACTED TO THE LEGISLATURE AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A DIFFERENT FUND. IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT TO YOU. WHAT WE COLLECT IN PERMITTING FEES IS OFFSETTING THE ACTUAL COST OF THOSE PERMITS IS ISSUED, AND IT IS REFLECTING THAT. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TIMES WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EITHER SUBSIDIZE THAT FUND OR YOU'LL HAVE A, YOU'LL HAVE AN EXCESS RIGHT THAT WILL OFFSET THAT SUBSIDY THAT'S ILLUSTRATED IN THIS SLIDE. AND I THINK PART OF THAT NOT ONLY IS THE EBB AND FLOW OF, OF PERMITTING, BUT ALSO THE REFINEMENT OF THESE RATIOS. IS THAT IS THAT FAIR? I WOULD AGREE. ABSOLUTELY. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, HEY, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT FLAT LINE RIGHT OR OVER, OVER, OVER TIME. AND WE DO OUR VERY BEST TO LOOK INTO THE CRYSTAL BALL AND SEE, OKAY, WE'VE GOT THESE PROJECTS IN THE QUEUE COMING TOWARDS THE COUNCIL. I THINK MOST OF YOU ARE ON THE ON DOUG ROTH, OUR BUILDING OFFICIALS EMAIL LIST, WHERE YOU GET THE BUILDING PERMIT STATS THAT THAT GOES UP AND DOWN. IN SOME YEARS, WE'LL HAVE HUGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT COME ONLINE OR INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS COME ONLINE AND THEY PAY HUGE FEES. SOME YEARS WE DON'T HAVE ANY. SO IT'S JUST UP AND DOWN. BUT OVERALL WE WANT TO TRY AND PREDICT. SO FOR FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES THAT IT'S OPEN. AND DENISE IS RIGHT, WE WANT TO BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT BECAUSE WE GET CHALLENGED OFTEN BY DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. BUT WE RECENTLY WENT THROUGH ALL OF OUR APPLICATION FEES AND, AND WE CAN VERY CLEARLY DEFEND WHAT WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO PAY WHEN THEY APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT OR APPLY FOR A REZONING APPLICATION. SO. BUT WHAT THAT MEANS HERE IS, RIGHT, WE GOT $2.7 MILLION OF NET CHANGE REVENUE TO EXPENSE IN 2020 BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME LARGER INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS COMING IN, LARGER MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND IN 2021, WE MADE $2.2 MILLION,

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AND SO THAT FULL TIME POSITION, THAT FULL BURDEN WAS, WAS IN 2026. SO THAT EMPLOYEE WAS THERE IN FULL IN 2027. THAT EMPLOYEE, WE DECIDED, IS JUST GOING TO JOIN THE IT TEAM. AND FOR SEVERAL REASONS, WE WANT SUCCESSION PLANNING. WE WANT MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO BE SUPPORTING CITY WORKS OVERALL, NOT JUST ONE, BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS DANGEROUS WHEN YOU JUST HAVE ONE PERSON THAT KNOWS THE DATABASE. AND SO WE'VE WE'VE DECIDED TO TRANSFER THAT TECHNICIAN BACK INTO THE IT DEPARTMENT. IT'S IN DIRECT COST ALLOCATION INCREASED THEN. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT GIS ALREADY HAVE A CITY WORKS POSITION. GOOD. GOOD QUESTION. SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT. MODULES OF CITY WORKS. DO YOU HAVE THE ASSET MANAGEMENT WHICH GIS MANAGES THAT. AND THEN THE THE PERMITS LICENSE PORTION. THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE PACKAGE OR MODULE THAT CITY WORKS PRODUCES. AND SO THE THE PLL WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY THIS TECHNICIAN IS SUPPORTED BY THIS TECHNICIAN. THE ONLY REASON I EVEN KNEW THIS IS BECAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY IN TALKING TO G. I S ABOUT THE REPORT, A PROBLEM I THOUGHT FELT LIKE THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THEIR REPORT A PROBLEM. THEY BROUGHT THIS UP TO ME AND SAID THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED.

AT LEAST THAT'S THE IMPRESSION I HAD. ARE YOU AWARE OF CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING CONCERNS ABOUT CITY WORKS MANAGEMENT OUTSIDE OF G. I S? THERE'S NO CLEAR THAT. OKAY, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD. YEAH. THEY WE YEARS AGO WE WENT WITH CITY WORKS BECAUSE WE WERE ALREADY A CLIENT OF CITY WORKS. AND THE HOPE IS THAT AS WE WE GET UP AND RUNNING WITH WITH THE PLL SIDE, A LOT OF THAT DATA CAN MORE SEAMLESSLY TRANSFER TO, TO THE ASSET MANAGEMENT COMPONENT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH CITY WORKS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. SO COOL. THE WAY I VIEW IT IS

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AND IF IT BREAKS, EVERYTHING STOPS. THAT'S WHY I WAS HAPPY, VERY GRATEFUL TO TO LAY THAT FTE ON THE ALTAR AND SAY, PLEASE, WE WE ABSOLUTELY NEED IT BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN THIS EBB AND FLOW OF, OF WORK THAT COMES THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT. IT'S IT'S MUCH IN MY MIND. IT'S MUCH BETTER TO RIDE OUT THOSE WAVES WITH GOOD SOFTWARE THAT HELPS US MANAGE THAT, THAT EBB AND FLOW. AND INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, WORST CASE SCENARIO, BACK IN THE RECESSION, WE HAD TO LAY PEOPLE OFF INSTEAD OF INFLATING MY STAFF FOR THE THESE BIG SLUGS OF WORK THAT COME THROUGH, I WOULD PREFER TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH, WITH WHO I HAVE AND RIDE THROUGH THOSE, THOSE BIG WAVES AND, AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LAYING PEOPLE OFF IF, IF THINGS SLOW DOWN DRAMATICALLY, IT'S BETTER TO USE SOFTWARE. SO THAT'S WHY DIRECT AND INDIRECT COSTS KIND OF LOOK DIFFERENT, RIGHT? THE TOP SECTION IS DIRECT COSTS. AND THEN THE BOTTOM SECTION FOR THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR, THEY TRANSITIONED INTO INDIRECT COSTS. ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO MAKE IN THE TENTATIVE BUDGET IS THAT SCOTT GAVE US APPROVAL TO WORK WITH ANOTHER CREDIT CARD PROCESSOR CALLED EXPRESS BILL PAY. EXPRESS BILL PAY WILL CHARGE THE DEVELOPERS WHATEVER FEES ARE ARE CREATED BY THEIR CHARGES. WE WERE ABSORBING THOSE FEES, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WENT IN THE HOLE TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $35,000 A MONTH. THAT WAS ABOUT WHAT THOSE CREDIT CARD FEES WERE, RIGHT? THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR BIG PERMITS ON THEIR CREDIT CARDS NOW. IT'S GREAT AND IT'S GREAT FOR EFFICIENCY.

ON OUR SIDE, WE DON'T HAVE RETURN CHECKS THEY CAN PAY ONLINE WHEN THEY WANT TO. IT WORKS PRETTY SEAMLESSLY. BUT WHAT WE HAVE DECIDED TO DO IS IMPLEMENT THAT CHARGE AND WE CHARGE THEM WHATEVER FEE IS. WE'RE BEING CHARGED. THEY ARE CHARGED AND NOT EVEN HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS. THEY DON'T CARE. SO WE DID BUDGET IN SCOTT'S DEPARTMENT $80,000 FOR CREDIT CARD FEES BASED ON WHAT IT HAD BEEN SORT OF IN THE PAST. IT HAD BEEN MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT.

BUT NOW WE'RE RECOVERING ALL OF IT. I THINK WE HAD MAYBE $1,000 THAT WE DIDN'T RECOVER LAST YEAR. SO WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE BUDGET. IN SCOTT'S DEPARTMENT. WHEN YOU ADOPT THE TENTATIVE BY $80,000, WE'LL GIVE YOU THE VERBIAGE FOR THAT. BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR A BUDGET REDUCTION QUESTION ON THE MAYBE I'M GETTING TOO DEEP, BUT DO YOU GIVE DEVELOPERS THE OPTION TO DO LIKE A BANK TRANSFER OR. ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S PART OF THOSE FEES. YEP, YEP.

THOSE FEES DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT IF THEY DO AN EFT OR A CHECK. BUT IF THEY USE A CREDIT CARD, THEN WE JUST PASS THE FEE RIGHT ON. WE GOT TIRED OF PAYING FOR PEOPLE'S VACATIONS. HONESTLY IT'S TRUE. THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD COME IN. AND JUST HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.

AND THEN THEY WERE KEEPING ALL THE REWARD POINTS FOR THEMSELVES. THAT'S WHERE THE BIG. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID. YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY. AND THEN COMMUNITY PRESERVATION IS A, IT'S OUT OF A SEPARATE BUDGET, RIGHT? THE GENERAL FUND REALLY, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CHANGES HERE, AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE IT AND SOFTWARE SUPPORT. I'M REALLY GRATEFUL THAT THE COUNCIL HAS. YOU'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT AND CLEAR IN YOUR IN YOUR EFFORTS TO HELP THE CITY ESTHETICS, YOU CAN SEE 2025 2026. WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL OFFICERS TO HELP WITH THAT AND NOT JUST REGULAR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THOUGH THEY'RE PAID IN THE SAME RANGE, RIGHT? THEY HAVE SPECIALIZED SKILLS AND POINTS OF FOCUS. SO WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT OFFICER. AND THEN WITH OUR SHORT TERM RENTALS AND OUR GOOD LANDLORD PROGRAM IN 2026, WE HAVE A HOUSING OFFICER. WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING INTERVIEWS TO BACKFILL THAT POSITION TOMORROW. SO YEAH. SCOTT, DO I SEE A POINTER MOVING ACROSS THE SCREEN UP THERE? I KNOW I KEPT SEEING A POINTER TO IT WAS LIKE A RED DOT. YEAH, IT'S IT'S ON THE COMPUTER. THAT'S SO WEIRD. HOW DO YOU GET TO IT THOUGH? BALLISTIC WINDOWS. THAT BUTTON ON THAT. I WAS LIKE, OH, HE MUST BE OH, IF YOU SEE IT, REST

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ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR ENTERTAINING MY QUESTIONS. SURE.

COUNCIL. WE ARE GOING TO. ALAN, CAN I ASK JUST A GENERAL QUESTION? I FEEL I'VE GOT GOING THROUGH THIS IS THAT WE'RE JUST LISTENING PRESENTATIONS. SO IS THERE GOING TO BE A DAY OR A OR A WORK MEETING THAT WE DISCUSS ANY CHANGES THAT WE WANT? IS THAT GOING TO BE A SEPARATE MEETING? YEAH. AND DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH WE GET THROUGH TONIGHT, THERE WILL BE TIME ON THE NINTH, I BELIEVE MAYBE WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE TO DO BRIAN AND GREG ON THE NINTH. SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST. SO 23RD OR PROBABLY 23RD. YOU STILL HAVE TO APPROVE A TENTATIVE. BUT IF YOU GO THROUGH THE TRUTH IN TAXATION, IT STILL GIVES YOU TWO MORE MONTHS. YOU STILL CAN SAY ZERO OR NO. YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU BEEN. YOU WOULD MAKE A GOOD POLITICIAN BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT A CLEAR ANSWER AT ALL. BUT WE'LL MOVE ALONG. THE ANSWER WAS, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WHERE WE'LL DO THAT. THIS IS JUST PRESENTATION 20, THE 23RD, THE 23RD. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE TIME FOR THE COUNCIL TO DISCUSS. OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY. NOW, THE 23RD WILL ALSO BE THE NIGHT, THOUGH, THAT YOU ARE GOING TO NEED TO ADOPT A BUDGET.

THEN THAT DOESN'T GIVE DENISE TIME TO PUT ANYTHING IN THAT WE WANT CHANGES. SO IF YOU'VE BEEN HOLDING BACK ON THE TENTATIVE, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE BY THE END OF THE MONTH BY STATE LAW, BUT IT'S JUST THE TENTATIVE. YOU CAN STILL MAKE CHANGES UNTIL JULY 26TH TIMES A YEAR. YEAH.

YOU CAN YOU CAN CHANGE THE PROJECT. THERE IS WORK SESSION UNLESS THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HOLD OTHER MEETINGS. THIS IS KIND OF THE TIME THAT WE HAVE. SO THERE ARE PRESENTATIONS. WE WILL HAVE TIME ON THE 23RD TO DISCUSS CHANGES TO THE BUDGET, WHICH YOU CAN ADOPT ANOTHER TENTATIVE BUDGET LATER PRIOR TO TRUTH AND TAXATION. TRUTH AND TAXATION WILL BE IN AUGUST. AND THAT MAKES SENSE. DOES THAT HELP? I KNOW. ADDITIONAL JUNE MEETING TO I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT GIVES DENISE TIME. IF WE WANT CHANGES, I'M GOING TO BRING THIS EXCEL SPREADSHEET AND. SO. SO I THINK WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK IS SAYING IS THAT JUNE 23RD, YOU WILL BE ADOPTING A TENTATIVE BUDGET. SO IF YOUR WORK SESSION ON JUNE 23RD IS ABOUT ANY CHANGES YOU WANT TO MAKE BEFORE YOU ADOPT A TENTATIVE. THAT WILL NOT BE AN OPTION. I WON'T HAVE TIME TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. YOU CAN MAKE THEM BY MOTION, RIGHT? YOU CAN SAY, WE'LL ADOPT THE TENTATIVE WITH THESE CHANGES, BUT IT'S KIND OF MESSY TO THE PUBLIC AND TO YOURSELVES TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE CHANGES ARE INCLUDED. AND WHETHER YOU GET A COUNCIL MAJORITY, IF YOU WANT TO DO A WORK SESSION BEFORE THAT, THEN THAT WOULD BE WHERE YOU CAN WORK THAT OUT. AND THEN WE CAN BRING A TENTATIVE TO YOU ON THE 23RD. WE JUST NEED A FEW DAYS TO LIKE, GET ALL ALL OUR DUCKS IN A ROW, RIGHT. IT CHANGES A LOT OF INFORMATION. THAT SAID, YOU COULD ALSO ADOPT A TENTATIVE AS THE BUDGET STANDS AND THEN SET JULY WORK SESSIONS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO AMEND THE TENTATIVE AND CHANGE IT AT ANY TIME BEFORE YOU ADOPT A FINAL.

BUT ALL OF THOSE AMENDMENTS, THE TENTATIVE, WOULD GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING AND A PUBLIC PROCESS AS WELL. SO YOU DO HAVE JULY AND AUGUST TO CHANGE SOMETHING, BUT BE AWARE THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO ADOPT A TENTATIVE. AND IT DOES STAND AS AN OPERATING BUDGET ON JULY 1ST OUTSIDE OF THE TAX INCREASE CHANGES. BUT NOBODY CALL IT AN INTERIM BUDGET. NOW, ISN'T THAT THE NEW TERM ON IN JUNE? YEAH. WE ADOPT A TENTATIVE ON THE 23RD. BUT IT BECOMES IT GETS RENAMED THE INTERIM BUDGET. AS SOON AS YOU SAY WE'RE DOING A TAX INCREASE. SO IT'S KIND OF A WEIRD THING. IT'S KIND OF LIKE GETTING MARRIED. THANK YOU. SO I IF YOU WANT I THINK THAT THAT HER QUESTION IS, IS DO WE WANT TO DO ANOTHER JUNE WORK SESSION BEFORE THE 23RD OR COUNCIL? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR CURRENT WORK SESSION SCHEDULE AND ADOPTING A TENTATIVE. AS IT STANDS, WITHOUT DISCUSSION AND THEN HAVING YOUR DISCUSSIONS AFTER THE ADOPTION. BECAUSE IT

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THAT'S THE WAY I ALWAYS THOUGHT. I ALWAYS THOUGHT WE WE HEARD IT ALL. WE DID THE TENTATIVE. AND THEN WE SPENT ANOTHER MONTH OR SO GOING THROUGH IT. SO WE'VE HAD A WORK SESSION ON MOSTLY ADMINISTRATIVE. RIGHT. THAT WAS MOSTLY OUR FIRST WORK SESSION. AND SO EVERYBODY WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE BUDGETS, IS WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL THAT THERE WERE NO CHANGES. YOU ARE COMING UP WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, RIGHT? THAT MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONTROVERSY. RIGHT. BUT BUT THERE ARE SOME UNANSWERED STILL, RIGHT ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SUPPORT WAS FOR THE PASSPORT, FULL TIME PERSON OR THE CUSTOMER SERVICE PERSON AT PUBLIC WORKS. BUT IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OF SUPPORT, THEN WE JUST MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT? SO THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. BUT MAYBE ON THE I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TIMING IS AS A COUNCIL. JUST THAT'S WHAT I DON'T FEEL.

WE'VE GIVEN YOU FEEDBACK ON THAT. RIGHT. I FEEL LIKE WE ASKED QUESTIONS. YOU ANSWERED THAT WE DIDN'T SAY YES TO THE EXTRA THIS OR THE EXTRA THAT YOU JUST WENT THROUGH. THAT'S WHY I HAD THE QUESTION. BESIDES. RIGHT? IT'S OKAY. I HAVE AN EASY WAY TO HANDLE ALL OF THIS.

OKAY, BECAUSE I'LL JUST SAY IT RIGHT NOW. I AM AGAINST THE TAX INCREASE. I FEEL I, I DO NOT SUPPORT THE EVERY YEAR WE SHOULD DO A TAX INCREASE. I DON'T SUPPORT IT. BUT YOU VOTED NO TO EVERY BUDGET I'VE EVER SEEN. SO I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S NOT TRUE. YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE THAT I'VE SEEN THAT I'VE SEEN IT IS TRUE BECAUSE IT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN. BUT SO OKAY, I GUESS I'VE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN I THOUGHT OR LESS THAN I THOUGHT. I'LL ASK ONE MORE TIME.

IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE COUNCIL WANTING TO DO A MEETING THAT TUESDAY BEFORE THE 23RD? I WOULD BE WILLING TO. YEAH, I'M WILLING TO. I JUST WANT TO. WELL, IF WE'RE WILLING, I CAN PUT IT ON THE THING. SO. THEN I'LL ADDRESS MR. ANDERSON. LET'S PUT A WORK SESSION ON THAT TUESDAY. THAT WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE. I BELIEVE WE COULD PROBABLY START THAT AT SIX. SO THIS IS A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS CHANGES TO THE BUDGET, TENTATIVE BUDGET THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY GET BEFORE WE GO TO THE 23RD AND HAVE TO DO THE TENTATIVE, WHICH HAS THAT BIG WORD TENTATIVE IN IT. AND MAYBE WE CAN WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GET WITH THE NEXT COUPLE WORK SESSIONS, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE'LL HAVE IT SCHEDULED. WE CAN TAKE IT AWAY.

WE NEED TO. AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE CAN CONTINUE ON. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE WASTED ALL YOUR TIME. YOU'LL NEED TO WE'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS SHORT. WE'LL SEE WHAT ORDER THESE SLIDES ARE IN.

OKAY, PERFECT. THIS IS THE BASE BUDGET. AS WE RECOGNIZED, WE ARE A THREE PERSON SHOP. AND RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS A VACANCY THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, I'LL WALK THROUGH MY SLIDES, TALK ABOUT WHO'S WHO'S DOING WHAT AND THEN TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS VACANCY THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE AND THE FUTURE OF THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACCORDING TO THAT. SO THIS IS, AGAIN, KIND OF BASE BUDGET AS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT FOR 2027. I HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THINK THROUGH OF WHAT I WANTED TO PRESENT ON TODAY. I REALLY LIKE THE MAYOR'S 20 2016 ROOTED IN COMMUNITY AND GROWING WITH PURPOSE. I WANT TO LAY DOWN THREE ROOTS OF MY IDEA OF WHAT I SEE IN COMMUNITY WITH THE VISION, MISSION AND VALUES OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE.

THIS WOULD BE A GREAT TIME. IF YOU DO WANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK, SAY, HEY, I AGREE WITH THIS, OR HEY, I DON'T, I'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR FROM YOU AND MAKE SOME

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AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE, TOO, THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT, BUT WE WANT TO BE VERY SELECTIVE WITH A SMALL SHOP. BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS LOOK FOR THOSE HIGH VALUE, HIGH PROBABILITY TYPES OF ACTIVITIES WE WANT TO DO. I REALLY LIKE THIS PICTURE. HERE. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE FEDERAL, WE HAVE STATE, WE HAVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ALONG WITH ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS OPENING UP WATER WALKER EDISON A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SLIDES THAT I LOVE TO SEE EVERYBODY COMING TOGETHER AGAIN. WE SUPPORT THE FREE MARKET. THAT ALSO MEANS TO THAT IN STRATEGIC AREAS WHERE THE MARKET IS NOT PARTICIPATING, WE MIGHT WANT TO PUT OUR THUMB DOWN ON THE SCALE A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT'S THROUGH OUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. THAT'S THROUGH ENGAGEMENT. THAT'S THROUGH SOME OF THE UNIQUE OFFERINGS THAT OUR CITY HAS FRIENDLY BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT, LIKE WORKING TOGETHER QUICKLY. AND WE RECOGNIZE TOO, WE CAN'T DO THIS ALONE. WE HAVE OUR PARTNER COMMUNITIES, WE HAVE OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT AND VITAL PIPELINE TO THE INDUSTRIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SUPPORT HERE, ALONG WITH HIGHER EDUCATION. THE COUNTY'S A MAJOR PARTNER IN WHAT WE DO.

WE HAD AN EXCELLENT CONVERSATION WITH THEM TODAY, BOTH ON PAUL AND I, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED THEIR PARTNERSHIP. AS WE RECOGNIZE, TOO, WE'VE GOT GREAT NONPROFITS.

WE'VE GOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. UTAH GOT 47 G BIO UTAH, AND WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT CHAMBERS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY WORK WITH. ONE THING THAT I'VE LEARNED ABOUT OUR LOCATION HERE, AND WHAT WE DO IN SCOTT'S OFFICE, IS THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT SPEED IS AN INCENTIVE COMPANY IS GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS CAN HAPPEN REALLY QUICKLY. AND AGAIN, WE'RE OKAY WITH PUTTING OUR THUMBS ON THE SCALE FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS TO ATTRACT COMPATIBLE INDUSTRIES, HIGH PAYING JOBS. AND AGAIN, WE AREN'T JUST TAKING PEOPLE'S WORD FOR IT. WE WANT TO GO OUT AND EXPERIENCE. WE WANT TO GO WALK THE SITES. WE WANT TO SEE SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS AND SOME OF THESE DEVICES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE BROUGHT TO OUR CITY. WE WANT FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE TO HELP YOU MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS ON LONG TERM COMMITMENT. SO LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IN THIS NEXT YEAR WITH THIS BASE BUDGET PROPOSAL, RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE OUR MARKETING MATERIALS BOTH ONLINE AND ALSO IN PERSON. WHEN WE WERE AT ICSC, THE MAYOR AND I, WE WALKED AROUND AND WE GATHERED PEOPLE'S MATERIALS, DIFFERENT CITIES, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, AND WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER A PORTFOLIO OF BEST IN CLASS MARKETING AND BEING ABLE TO SHOWCASE OUR CITY NOT JUST IN A BROAD WAY, BUT ALSO TO VERY SELECT INDUSTRIES. SO IF WE HAVE A LIFE SCIENCE GROUP, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH LIFE SCIENCE.

IF WE HAVE AN ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, YOU KNOW, BE REALLY ON TARGET WITH OUR MARKETING MATERIALS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, NONPROFITS AND STATE WIDE ENTITIES ARE EDC UTAH AND ALSO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONTINUING TO PARTNER WITH THEM. THEY HAVE A LOT OF DEAL FLOW. WE CAN CREATE OUR OWN DEAL FLOW, BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'RE IMPORTANT. THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO EACH AND EVERY QUARTER, AND I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY HARD TO DO FOUR TIMES A YEAR, BUT I REALLY LOVE THIS PICTURE. THIS IS A PICTURE OF OUR MAYOR WITH SALT LAKE CITY AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND 40 OF THE STATE'S SAY THEY'RE WORKING IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR ADJACENT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE

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WE'VE BEEN THINKING OF THIS AS POTENTIALLY AN ANALYST POSITION THAT CAN OFFLOAD. WE CAN DO SOME ANALYSIS WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE THE FISCAL ACTIVITIES OF THE RTA. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A VERY VALUABLE POSITION AND HIRING THE RIGHT PERSON, RECOGNIZING THAT, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER VACANCY SOMETIME IN THE NEXT. WELL, PAUL'S WITH US, YOU KNOW, 23 YEARS, ANOTHER 23 YEARS. NOW IN THE FUTURE, WE COULD IT COULD BE IT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY 23 YEARS FROM NOW AND PAUL RETIRES. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ALL MY SLIDES AND WILLING TO TAKE BACK ANY TYPE OF FEEDBACK. ARE THESE TYPES OF THINGS SUCH AS VISION, MISSION VALUES? DO THESE RESONATE WITH YOU? DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE'RE ON TARGET WITH THESE? I APPRECIATE HEARING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC GOAL OF HAVING QUARTERLY EVENTS LIKE THAT. THAT'S HELPFUL TO HEAR. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND YES, LIFE SCIENCES. THANK YOU. YES, LIFE SCIENCES, AS YOU KNOW, GO, GO. YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL. YES, I THINK I LIKE YOU SAID, I KNOW THIS ISN'T MY THING, BUT WHEN YOU SAY SPEED AS AN INCENTIVE, I LIKE THOSE NO COST INCENTIVES, RIGHT? YES. LOOKING AT THIS IS WHY YOU WANT TO BE IN WEST JORDAN. AND IT'S NOT COSTING. IT'S NOT JUST THROWING MONEY AT YOU. IT'S PROVIDING COLLABORATION. IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND I ALSO THINK TOO, WE RECOGNIZE KEEPING THE COMPANIES THAT WE HAVE HERE AND KEEPING THEM HAPPY IS IMPORTANT. BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE TOO, IF NOT, BUT FOR SOME SORT OF INCENTIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH SOME SORT OF ACTION OCCUR, THE COMPANIES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE WERE REALLY EXCITED. WE WANT TO KEEP THEM IN FORCE, BUT WE RECOGNIZE INCENTIVES ARE REALLY MORE FOR THE WHAT IS IT THAT OUR CITY IS GOING TO GET WHEN WE DO THAT? SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE BUDGET. YES. PLEASE GIVE ME.

IT'S ALL OVER THE MAP. THAT REALLY. SO IN 2025, TWO OF THE POSITIONS WERE VACANT. SO WE WENT WITHOUT A DIRECTOR AND THE ANALYST JOB WAS VACANT. SO THOSE ARE ACTUAL NUMBERS. THE

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AND IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH 47 G, 47 G, LIKE 7500, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY, I'M GOING TO SAY WE'RE LEAN MEAN FIGHTING MACHINE THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, I GET THAT WE SAW THE THE FRONT PAGE OF THE BUDGET PRESENTATION A COUPLE WEEKS BACK. THEY SAID ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WAS ONE OF THESE FIVE PILLARS OF THE BUDGET. OKAY, SHOW ME. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SAYING I'M SAYING I'M SEEING STATUS QUO. I SEE, I SEE IS WHAT I'M SAYING. WELL, IF I WERE TO LIKE, PUT A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AROUND IT TO THIS IS PROBABLY 1/20 OF THE BUDGET. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE RDA, WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S CLOSE? OH, THAT'S. YEAH, YEAH, LIKE 10%. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT US KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON AND THEN THE TOOLS AND THE TOOLS OF WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE RDA AND THE FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THAT. SO WE DO HAVE PLENTY OF, SAY, POWDER IN THE KEG TO DO AMAZING THINGS. THIS IS MORE OF JUST THE DAY TO DAY SHOPPING, BUT I WOULD LOVE IF YOU WOULD PROPOSE A AMENDED BUDGET OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. I MENTIONED THIS TO YOU THE OTHER DAY. I CAN'T I CAN'T ADVOCATE THAT. I RECOGNIZE THAT THROW SOMETHING ELSE OFF. I MENTIONED I MENTIONED THIS TO YOU THE OTHER DAY, BUT JUST PRETEND WE WERE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SURE. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT? WHAT DO YOU WHAT I MEAN? AND MAYBE WE END UP DOING A 10TH OF THAT OR EVEN A 20TH OF THAT, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER. BUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU HAD MORE CASH IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS BUDGET? YEAH, IT'S THE ONLY THING YOU CAN SPEND MONEY ON. PERSONNEL. NO, NO. SO MARKETING IS A VERY IT COULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE IF WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THAT ROUTE. I'VE SEEN IN DIFFERENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS TO WHERE THERE'S KIND OF A HIGHER LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION, WHERE YOU BRING IN SITE SELECTORS SPECIFICALLY TO JUST WALK THROUGH YOUR CITY. SOMETIMES IT'S 1 TO 3 INDIVIDUALS AND YOU'RE HOSTING THEM. YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TAKING THEM OUT TO DINNER. YOU, YOU TAKE ABOUT THREE DAYS OR FOUR DAYS WITH THEM, REALLY FOR THEM TO GET TO KNOW YOUR CITY SHOWCASE, YOU KNOW, YOUR AND HIGHLIGHT THOSE TYPES OF AREAS. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE, I'D SAY LIKE THE LEVELS, I GUESS TO SAY, OF ENGAGEMENT WHEN YOU COME TO LIKE PERSONAL MARKETING AND DEPLOYING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, I'VE SEEN THOSE BE EASILY $15,000 PLUS. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE REALLY GOING AFTER, WE'RE POTENTIALLY BUYING DOWN THE COST OF SOMEONE'S INVESTMENT SOMEPLACE ELSE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE OR WE'RE VERY EARLY STAGE OF SAYING, OKAY, THESE ARE DOLLARS THAT WE CAN USE FOR MARKETING. AND ACROSS THAT WHOLE. CORBIN. COUNCILMAN JACOB. LET ME TRY TO FOR A SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, TOO, IS IT DEPENDS ON THE DEFINITION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BROADLY SPEAKING, IN OUR BUDGET THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE WORKED OUTSIDE OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THINGS THAT AFFECT AND IMPACT OUR BROADER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE COUNCIL'S, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE HEARD FROM CEOS THAT WANT TO RELOCATE HERE. YOU KNOW, PARTS OF THE CITY DON'T SHOW. WELL, OKAY, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. WE'RE PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS THAT. WE'RE WORKING ON EAST WEST TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. WE'RE WORKING ON WORKFORCE HOUSING ISSUES. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT IMPACT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT ARE OUTSIDE OF

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YOU'RE GIVING ME STATUS QUO INPUTS AND STATUS QUO OUTPUTS, AND I'M SAYING, OKAY, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO DIFFERENTLY? WE'VE BEEN TALKING EVERY I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY IN HERE, THERE'S EIGHT ELECTED OFFICIALS IN HERE, AND I KNOW PROBABLY AT LEAST HALF THE CAMPAIGNS HAVE BEEN RUN ON THESE ELECTED OFFICIALS. SOMEBODY SAID ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JUST BECAUSE I'M THREE OF THEM, THREE OF THOSE CAMPAIGNS. SO I KNOW, COME UP A LOT. BUT WE ALL WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE ALL WANT TO WORK ON CITY ESTHETICS.

WE ALL WANT TO DO ALL THESE THINGS, BUT WE'RE KIND OF KEEPING THE SAME STRUCTURE AND KIND OF GETTING THE SAME OUTPUTS. I SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE NECESSARILY. I MEAN, I'M SURE I COULD SIT DOWN, PUT SOME PENCIL TO PAPER. AND FOR ME, YOU KNOW, JIM IS VERY NEW IN HIS POSITION. AND I THINK WE JUST NEED NEED SOME TIME FOR THAT POT TO SIMMER AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. WELL, SURE. BUT WE'VE HAD THREE DIFFERENT GYMS IN THIS POSITION THAT HAVE BEEN SIMMERING. SOME HAVE BOILED OUT AND EVAPORATED. OH, I'M JUST SAYING THREE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. OKAY. YEAH. I'M SAYING IS. I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHERE WHERE THINGS ARE GOING TO GO WITH JIM. LET THEM COOK. I GUESS SCOTT WILL TELL YOU IT'S ALL ABOUT HOUSETOPS. YOU GOT TO HAVE MORE ROOFTOPS. YEAH, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT A MINUTE AGO. AND I THINK THE OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS WAS FEWER ROOFTOPS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. BUT I, I WANT TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS ONTO THERE. SO I THINK OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN SLIM, HAVE DONE SOME GREAT THINGS IN THIS CITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT OUR BOX STORES, MOST CITIES DON'T READ THOSE BOX STORES. THEY TEAR THEM DOWN OR PUT APARTMENTS IN THERE, STUFF LIKE THAT. THE HAVE A REAL GOOD TRACK RECORD OF RETAIL BOX STORES WITH PRODUCTIVE BUSINESSES THAT DO THAT. I THINK OUR SOUTHWEST QUADRANT IS A GREAT SIGN OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THEY DON'T GENERATE SALES TAX. THEY DO A LOT OF OTHER GOOD THINGS FOR OUR CITY THAT'S GONE IN THERE. YOU MENTIONED HOW DAN, HE WAS OUT THERE ALL BY ITSELF AND IT'S NOT ANYMORE. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SIGN OF WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER IN THAT AREA. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE CITY.

AND I'M JUST I'M JUST FRUSTRATED THAT WE WE CELEBRATE BEDROOM COMMUNITY PIECES THAT COME ALONG WITH JUST MORE RESIDENTS, THE GROCERY STORES, THE MCDONALD'S, THE HOLIDAY OILS. WE CELEBRATE THE BOEINGS, WE CELEBRATE THE BOEING WAS 13 YEARS AGO. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE DO CELEBRATE BOEING. WE DO CELEBRATE THOSE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE THAT ARE THAT ARE NEWER, THE AMAZONS THAT CAME IN HERE, WE CELEBRATE THEM TOO. THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. OKAY. AND SO I GUESS THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. AND THE WHAT? YOU GUYS DID LAST WEEK THAT I WASN'T THERE AT THE FOOD SERVICE PLACE AND THE, THE ROUTE 92, WE CELEBRATE THAT ONE, WHICH IS A FIELD IN THE MEDICAL BUILDING WHERE THEY STARTED IN WEST JORDAN. AND THEY CAME TO SOUTH JORDAN. MY CONSTITUENTS ARE UNINSPIRED. YES, BUT IF THOSE PLACES WEREN'T HAPPENING, THEY WEREN'T HERE. THEY WOULD REALLY NOTICE IT THEN. IN FACT, THEY DON'T NOTICE. IT IS A GOOD SIGN. THAT MEANS GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD STATUS QUO. WHAT ABOUT THE.

RELATIONSHIP OF OF REDEVELOPING THE NEW DOWNTOWN? AND, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? I THINK THAT'S THAT'S TAKING TIME. BUT I THINK IT'S COMING. I, I, I HAVE THOUGHT THAT TOO, FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS. WELL, FROM MY, FROM MY VANTAGE POINT, FROM MY VANTAGE POINT, I'M REALLY

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HERE'S THE AMOUNT OF CAPITAL THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO EXPAND. I MEAN, IT'S BASICALLY EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A STATE INCENTIVE. AND SOME OF THESE ARE STATE INCENTIVES TYPE WORDS. I WOULD LOVE TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AS A AS A METRIC, AS WE WIN THESE PROJECTS. TO BE ABLE TO SHOW HERE IS WEST JORDAN, HERE'S ROUTE 47, HERE'S GEMCO TO START GOING DOWN THE LIST AND SHARING WITH YOU BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPACTFUL AND IT'S SO HARD FOR THEM TO THEN SHOW RIGHT IN THE FINANCIALS. IT TAKES A WHILE. WE ALL RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, TWO TO 2 TO 3 YEARS BEFORE THOSE HIRES ARE MADE, 6 TO 12 MONTHS BEFORE THAT BUILDING IS RETROFITTED OR BUILT. SO I RECOGNIZE THAT. AND IT'S A LONG TERM SOLUTION FOR FOR DURABLE JOBS. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SAY? YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD TO WHAT JIM SAYING AND SAY, YOU KNOW, JIM TALKED ABOUT TODAY, WE HAVE WITH THE COUNTY, WE'VE NOT BEEN SHY AT ALL WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT OUR DESIRE TO TRY TO MAKE THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT WORK TO THE BEST ADVANTAGE OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. FROM A VALUE STANDPOINT, THE PERSON WE'RE MEETING WITH TODAY EVEN ASKED ABOUT OUR APPETITE FOR INCENTIVES AND SAID, WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COUNCIL, BUT I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE WORK WITH OUR TAXING ENTITY PARTNERS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LONG, LONG RANGE TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE BEST VALUE FAR INTO THE FUTURE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER JACOBS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE DOING WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COMMUNITY STAYS VIBRANT AND STRONG ECONOMICALLY, EVERYTHING FAR INTO THE FUTURE, FAR AFTER WE'RE ALL OUT OF THE GAME. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT. WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THESE OTHER TAXING ENTITIES, AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, ABOUT OUR DESIRE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAXIMIZE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE CITY. AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA, TOO. AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PLANS. SO I THINK SOME OF THESE THINGS, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE A SLOW BURN, BUT AS LONG AS YOU KEEP GOING, YOU'RE CONSISTENT ABOUT IT, IT WILL HAPPEN. WELL, WHAT CAN WE DO? SLOW BURN WISE TO WELL, TO, TO ACCELERATE. WELL, SPECIFICALLY START DEVELOPING PLANS. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ANALYZING THE AREA AND WE'VE EVEN TALKED ABOUT BROADENING THAT AREA SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DOWNTOWN. SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. LIKE. SOMETHING HAPPENING IN IN REGARDS TO THAT YOU HAVE DONE,

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THOSE ARE TWO THOSE ARE TWO IMMEDIATE THINGS COME TO MIND. I'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ABOUT IT TOO. SO THANKS TO THE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING IN AN AGGRESSIVE PITCH IN FOR THE REC CENTER. I THINK THAT KIND OF THING WILL DEFINITELY HELP. I MEAN, THERE ARE LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T LOOK AT THIS AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT YOU GO AFTER THOSE. I THINK WE'VE HAD MUCH BETTER TRACTION WITH ADAM AT THE LEGISLATURE. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EVENTUALLY HELPS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK IT'S THE KIND OF THING TO START SEEING HOW THIS IS ALL GOING TO COME TOGETHER. AND THE ONLY ONE I ONLY WANT TO KIND OF PUT A BOW ON IT THIS WAY. ALL I WANT TO SEE IS, IS SOMETHING THAT MOVES THE NEEDLE, NOT JUST ANOTHER PIECE TO KEEP US. YOU'VE SEEN THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS. REMEMBER THAT FAST AND FURIOUS WHERE THEY'RE FIXING UP THE CARS AND PUTTING THE NITROUS OXIDE IN THEM? YOU KNOW, OUR CARS GOING DOWN THE HIGHWAY AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PUTTING GAS IN THE CAR TO KEEP IT GOING DOWN THE HIGHWAY. I WANT TO ADD THE NITROUS THING THAT YOU CAN PUSH THE BUTTON AND GO REALLY FAST DOWN THE HIGHWAY, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE JUST ARE JUST THE YEAH, YEAH, WE CHANGE THE TIRES AND LOOK, WE GOT BETTER TIRES THIS TIME. OKAY, GREAT. STILL GOING 65. AND IT'S LIKE, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE IN ANOTHER CITY WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION? AND BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW, I JUST KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN THE SAME THING FOR A LONG TIME. AND WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT GRAND VISIONS AND WE COME BACK TO THE SAME REALITY. AND FOR ME, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SAME THING. I THINK IN MY SHORT TIME HERE, I, LIKE I SAID, I'VE SEEN WHERE LEGISLATIVELY WE'RE TRYING TO BE A LITTLE MORE PLAYERS. I'VE SEEN. I MEAN, I LIKE DAVID, BUT I, I, I LIKE THE, THE FRESH OUTLOOK THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM JIM. I LIKE THAT WE'RE BEING AGGRESSIVE ABOUT GOING AFTER THE THE REC CENTER. I LIKE THESE LITTLE THINGS. SO I'VE SEEN THESE LITTLE CHANGES. YOU'VE BEEN ON IT FOR A LONG TIME. SO. AND SO WHAT I'LL SAY, COUNCILMEMBER JACOB, IS IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN ON HERE FOR A WHILE. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'VE LET YOU'VE LET THE CARD JUST BE FILLED WITH GAS FOR EVERY YEAR. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING I'M SEEING LITTLE CHANGES. SO MAYBE THERE ARE DIFFERENT FOR ME. I THINK, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMEMBER SHELDON WAS TALKING. HE'S SEEN IT AS WELL. MAYBE THAT'S WHY I'M MORE FRUSTRATED. YEAH. BECAUSE I I'VE SEEN THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I'VE SEEN THOSE THINGS BEEN HAPPENING FOR TEN YEARS. OKAY.

YEAH, YEAH, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BETTER EVERY YEAR. I WASN'T TRYING TO SAY YOU'RE A BAD GUY FOR LETTING THE GAS BE IN THE TANK, BUT I'M JUST SAYING. YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN A COUNCILMEMBER. WINDMILLS QUESTION IS GREAT. IT'S LIKE, GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE AND I WISH I HAD A GOOD CONCRETE EXAMPLE. SO ALL WE NEED WAS THE MILLER GROUP TO JUST PUT A BASEBALL PARK IN WEST JORDAN. AND I'VE GOT A CONCRETE EXAMPLE OF OF CARMEL, INDIANA, THAT HAPPENED OVER 30 PLUS YEARS. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO IT IS A, IT IS A SLOW. RIGHT. BUT BUT IT STARTED, BUT I DO THINK THE WEST JORDAN FOR A LONG TIME GOT COMFORTABLE BEING THE BED AND BREAKFAST OR NOT BED BREAKFAST, THE BED, THAT'S JUST THE WHOLE CITY TO A BED AND BREAKFAST. THERE YOU GO. THERE ARE NO BREAKFAST PLACES, BUT WE ARE GETTING A TRADER JOE'S. SO I MEAN, COME ON, ZACK, WE CAN SAY THAT OUT LOUD, BUT CELEBRATE THAT. THAT'S THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FRUSTRATED ME AND WHY I WANTED TO BE ON THE COUNCIL WAS THAT I ALWAYS LOOKED AT THIS AS BEING THE BIGGEST BEDROOM COMMUNITY IN THE COUNTRY. AND, AND THAT I WANTED TO START SEEING THAT. AND I'M I'M HOPING THAT NEW BLOOD COMING ON IS HELPING YOUR VISION AS WELL TO GET. THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOUGH, ARE MORE BEDROOM COMMUNITY STUFF. I SEE FOR THE MOST PART, THE REFILLING THE BOX STORES. IT WAS LIKE. THAT'S WHY THE BOX STORE IS ACTUALLY THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING. IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN GOING IN REVERSE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FILLING THEM WITH RETAIL. WE'RE FILLING THEM WITH OFFICE SPACE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GENERATING SALES TAX ANYMORE. SMITH AND EDWARDS FILLED A BOX

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AND AND YOU KNOW COUNCILMAN IF YOU BRING UP GREAT. I MEAN IT'S IT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT'S THE PROBLEM ALL OF US ELECTED. WE WANT THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT NONE OF US WENT TO SCHOOL FOR TO MAKE BETTER. SO WE WERE LIKE, WE HIRED THESE GUYS. THAT'S WHY WE HIRED YOU. SO WE JUST GOT TO STOP HIRING A NEW ONE EVERY YEAR AND A HALF. YEP. YEAH. CORBIN, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING OR ARE YOU JUST WAVING AWAY? WELL, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT WHAT CITIES HAVE MOVED THE NEEDLE. WHAT CITIES DID PUT THE NITROUS OXIDE IN THE GAS? I CAN THINK OF THREE JUST IMMEDIATELY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. THREE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF WAYS CITIES DRAMATICALLY CHANGED THE NEEDLE ON WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED VERSUS GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. KIM MENTIONED CARMEL, INDIANA. THAT IS ONE IT DID TAKE. IT TOOK 30 YEARS. AND THEY INCENTIVIZED EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT, EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT. THEY GAVE THEM TIF. AND WITH GIVING THEM TIF, THEY FORCED THEM TO DO PARKING GARAGES AND HIGHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND GAVE THEM DENSITY. BUT THEY DID 90, 90 TIF PROJECTS EVERY NOT KIDDING. EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS A 30 YEAR COMMITMENT OF THE CITY TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY GREW. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE DID A TIFFANY ON ANYTHING? SO.

JUST A QUESTION. SEVERAL YEARS. LYON COUNTY, NEVADA. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. LYON COUNTY, NEVADA COUNTY OUTSIDE OF RENO. THIS IS GOING TO SOUND ODD. THEY DRAMATICALLY CHANGE THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROSPECTS. THEY TOOK A DIFFERENT APPROACH. THEY GAVE A QUARTER OF THEIR COUNTY AND SAID, ANYTHING GOES. WE'LL APPROVE IT TOMORROW. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR SITE PLAN.

WE JUST WANT YOU TO FIGURE IT OUT. ANYTHING GOES. IT'S APPROVED ON THE SPOT AND COMPANIES FLOCKED THERE BECAUSE OF SPEED, SPEED AND LACK OF PERMITTING, LACK OF LOCAL OVERSIGHT, HUGE TRADE OFF. IN THAT CASE, IT WAS ISOLATED. IT WAS AWAY FROM THEIR POPULATION BASE AND THEY COULD SAY ANYTHING GOES AND ANYTHING DID GO. HOW DID IT TURN OUT? IT'S A BIG INDUSTRIAL PARK WITH A WIDE VARIETY OF USES. THAT THAT BRINGS IN GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THEIR COUNTY, BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO THEM. BUT EVERYONE THAT WORKS IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK COMMUTES FROM RENO SPARKS TO GET THERE, PUT SOME TOWNHOMES NEXT TO IT. WE PATIENT DON'T GET THERE. I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT MILL CREEK. OKAY, THINKING OF A MORE LOCAL EXAMPLE, MILL CREEK CITY INCORPORATED AND SAID WE WANT TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF DEVELOPMENT OF OUR CITY. MILL CREEK TOOK A VERY AGGRESSIVE REDEVELOPMENT APPROACH TO CREATE THEIR DOWNTOWN MILL CREEK COMMONS. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. THEY USED A MIXED BAG, RIGHT? THEY YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LOVE IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE THAT SAY, NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

THEY PUT A LOT OF POLITICAL CAPITAL ON THE LINE. THEY THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ACQUIRING PROPERTY AND INCENTIVIZING DENSITY TO DO THEIR CITY HALL. THEY SURROUNDED IT WITH. AND THEY TOOK AN APPROACH THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IF WE CAN ADD BODIES, WE CAN ADD CRITICAL MASS. IF WE ADD BODIES, WE ADD POPULATION, AND WE GROW THE SALES TAX PORTION OF OUR POPULATION BASE. BUT IT WAS A BIG POLITICAL COMMITMENT AND IT WAS A SHIFT IN THE DIRECTION OF THEIR CITY. LIKE CHAD SAID, SOME PEOPLE WERE UNHAPPY WITH IT, SOME WERE HAPPY WITH IT, BUT THEY CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY OF THEIR CITY AS A CITY. THOSE

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ANY MORE BEATING UP OF JIM. I'M SORRY THAT WASN'T A BEAT UP. I'M HERE. I'M HERE ALL NIGHT.

I'M HERE ALL WEEK. SO JIM I GOT A BAR A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THE BARS. YOU'RE GOOD. THANK YOU.

WE NEED MORE BARS TO. HEY, BEFORE WE GO TO THE THE NEXT SPOT. I WAS TEXTING WITH MR. ANDERSON. HE THINKS IT WORKED OUT BETTER BECAUSE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CANCELING THEIR MEETING ON JUNE 2ND. IF WE MAKE THAT OUR EXTRA MEETING, WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THAT MEETING IS PROBABLY GET THE REST OF THE GROUPS THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN. AND THEN ON THE NINTH WOULD BE A MEETING THAT WE WOULD THEN USE TO, TO, TO TRY TO GO THROUGH THINGS. DOES THAT WORK WITH THE COUNCIL HERE? I WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE ON JUNE 2ND. OKAY. I WON'T BE THERE. I WOULD ACTUALLY WORKS BETTER FOR ME THOUGH. MY SON'S GRADUATING FROM HIGH SCHOOL. SO SURE COMING HERE, BUT YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THINGS AND HEAR AND MAYBE BRING UP SOME OF THE THINGS ON THE NINTH. WOULD THAT BE? WE HAVE TWO MISSING, BUT DO WE DEAL WITH THE FIVE ON THE SECOND? WE'D BE OKAY. I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I WOULD BE OUT ON THE 16TH. SO OKAY. AND I AM OUT ON THE NINTH. SO THAT WILL BE. SO I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS DO THE FIVE OF YOU WANT TO MEET BECAUSE I WON'T BE THERE. YEAH. I'M HAPPY TO MEET. WAS IT NOT.

OH, I WON'T BE HERE ON THE SECOND MEETING, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE MEETING ON THE NINTH WOULD BE THE ONE THAT COULD GO, OKAY, THAT WE CAN HAMMER OUT THE. AND THAT'S ALREADY ON THE.

I CAN DO REMOTE. YEAH. OKAY. AND ON THE SECOND, I MEAN, SO MAYBE I'LL BE HERE ON THE NINTH, NOT THE SECOND. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT AVAILABLE THE SECOND EITHER. I'LL BE REMOTE. I CAN I CAN REMOTE. MAYBE WE DON'T NEED AN EXTRA MEETING ON THE NINTH ON THE BOOKS. AND THAT CAN BE USED FOR THE PURPOSE. WELL, NO, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED WE'RE GOING TO NEED TIME TO FINISH UP A LOT OF THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. AND THEN WE WANT A MEETING THAT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT US TRYING TO HAMMER THESE THINGS DOWN. GOT IT. SO SECOND AND NINTH, IS THAT THE SECOND AND NINTH RIGHT NOW. AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. THANK YOU. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL NOW GO TO RISK MANAGEMENT. AND I'M SURE YOU ARE EQUALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT RISK AS YOU ARE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. HE EXPECTS LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS. I DO EXPECT LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS. SO BEING NEWER TO THIS POSITION, I'LL DO MY BEST TO EXPLAIN ALL THE LINE ITEMS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M SURE I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I'LL PROBABLY LET THIS RESPOND. LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET, A LOT OF OUR LINE ITEMS ARE DETERMINED BY OTHER FACTORS THAN OUR DEPARTMENT. SPECIFICALLY, OUR REVENUE IS DETERMINED BY ALLOCATIONS FROM OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, OUR INSURANCE PREMIUMS ARE DICTATED BY EXTERNAL FORCES LARGELY. IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD OF AN IMOD SCORE, IT'S KIND OF A CREDIT SCORE IN THE INSURANCE WORLD. AND IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT OUR SCORE AS OF MARCH WAS 0.93, WHICH ANYTHING UNDER ONE IS PRETTY GOOD. SPECIFICALLY, IN 2024, WE WERE AT 1.14. SO WE'VE COME DOWN PRETTY DRAMATICALLY, WHICH IS LARGELY CREDIT TO DELL AND THE RISK MANAGEMENT POLICIES THAT HE HAD IMPLEMENTED. SO OUR EDITOR ALSO, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING.

WE'RE WE'RE IN A POSITIVE TREND AS FAR AS OUR ABILITY TO KEEP OUR INSURANCE PREMIUMS LOWER.

THAT BEING SAID, THEY ARE HIGHER EVERYWHERE, BOTH ON THE CONSUMER LEVEL AND IN THE BUSINESS WORLD. FOR THE TO NEWER COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE SELF-INSURED. THE CITY IS. SO.

A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IN OUR DIVISION IS INSURANCE. SO MYSELF AND TAYLOR BAUMGARTNER,

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SO WE'VE GOT 910,000 IN OUR EFFORT TO GET TO TWO AS WELL. SO THIS REVENUE LINE IS ALL CHARGED TO LIKE ALL THE FUNDS, RIGHT? THAT'S JUST AN ASSESSMENT OUT TO ALL THE FUNDS.

IT'S BASED ON LOTS OF CRITERIA THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AND, AND ALLOCATE OUT. BUT WHAT, WHAT HAD BEEN HAPPENING IN THE PAST IS THE LEGAL COSTS. AND THE CLAIMS HAD ALL BEEN BUDGETED AT AN ASSESSMENT. SO ASSESSMENTS WERE COMING IN AND COVERING THE LEGAL CLAIMS AND THE LEGAL COSTS AND CLAIMS. BUT LEGAL COSTS AND CLAIMS NEVER HIT THE BUDGET, NOT EVEN CLOSE. AND SO IT KEPT BUILDING THIS FUND BALANCE AND RESERVES WHERE IT HIT ALMOST, YOU KNOW, IT HIT $3.2 MILLION. THAT'S WAY IN EXCESS OF WHAT WE NEED. SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF GENTLY BRINGING IT DOWN. SO ANYTIME YOU SEE A BUDGET FOR LEGAL AND CLAIMS THAT WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE ASSESSMENT, IT WOULD JUST BE OPERATIONS AND PREMIUMS THAT WILL EQUAL THE ASSESSMENT. LEGAL AND CLAIMS WILL BE COVERED BY RESERVES UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR. SO WHATEVER IS SPENT IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR WILL ASSESS THE NEXT YEAR TO RECAPTURE THOSE FUNDS AND KIND OF KEEP THESE RESERVES RIGHT AT $2 MILLION. SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ASSESSMENTS GO UP, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT SAME BUFFER RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE ABOUT A $300,000 REDUCTION JUST FOR THIS YEAR. ON ASSESSMENTS OUT TO THE OTHER FUNDS TEMPORARILY. AS WE BRING THESE RESERVES DOWN A BIT, I SEE. OKAY. YEAH, GREAT.

THAT'S OUR ONLY SLIDE. SO YEAH. GOOD. WARREN'S DOING GREAT WORK. HE'S LEARNING A LOT AND WE'RE LEARNING A LOT MOVING FORWARD. YEAH. MUST BE NICE. YEAH. ARE WE LESS RISKY NOW? WE ARE. WE ARE. THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY DOES MEAN WE'RE LESS RISKY. THAT IS A REALLY A BIG DEAL. THAT SAVES US A LOT OF MONEY AND IT KEEPS OUR EMPLOYEES WORKING, WHICH IT DOES. BUT INSURANCE PREMIUMS ARE INCREASING PRETTY FAST AND WE'RE WHAT KIND OF POLICIES WERE PUT IN PLACE, EXCUSE ME, TO SPECIFICALLY BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN. WHAT CAN YOU SAFETY TRAINING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT ARE TESTED AND RISK. SO SAFETY TRAINING WAS THE OTHER SAFETY TRAINING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES LIKE WRITTEN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE FOLLOW PUTTING ESPECIALLY LIKE WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE ACCIDENTS OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, HAVING A RISK MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND REVIEW ALL OF THOSE LIKE ACTIONS THAT WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LEARN FROM WHATEVER MISTAKES WE HAVE MADE ARE INSTITUTED, WILL HELP OUR SCORE. AND THERE'S SOME LITTLE THINGS WE DO. LIKE EVERY VEHICLE HAS A GPS, AND WE HAVE A RECORD OF HOW FAST THEY WERE DRIVING AND DRIVING PAST WHERE THEY ARE. THEY MAKE CORNERS TOO QUICK OR THEY DO A. SO A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I'LL JUST ADD UP ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU DO. SO WE WATCH THE DIFFERENCE. AND THEN FOR THE CITY, WARREN MAY NOT HAVE DONE IT YET, BUT THEY GO OUT AND DO INSPECTIONS, SAFETY THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT. LITTLE THINGS LIKE BACKING INTO OUR PARKING STALLS INSTEAD OF GOING IN FRONTWARDS BECAUSE MOST ACCIDENTS HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE BACK OUT, THEY BACK IN AND YOU DON'T HAVE ACCIDENTS, THEY DON'T BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT THE SPOT BEFORE THEY GET TO IT.

SUPPOSEDLY. AND BACKUP CAMERAS, BACKUP CAMERAS ON CARS. SO IT'S A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS THAT MAKE IT A BIG DIFFERENCE. WE'D LIKE THE THE OUT OF THOSE BLACK VEHICLES IN FLEET DO WITH THAT SPEEDING AND SHARP CORNERS. WE ACTUALLY MONITOR THOSE AS WELL. AND WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR IT AND GIVE US A GOOD REASON WHY THEY DO IT. IT'S NOT JUST PULL A PISTOL, THEY HAVE TO REPORT ON THOSE AS WELL. AND CORBYN MEETS WITH HE'S RIGHT BEHIND HIM AGAIN, THE SAME ALERTS. AND THEN IT'S SOMETIMES EASIER FOR US TO REVIEW THOSE BECAUSE WE HAVE

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COME UP HERE, BRIAN. HELP ME THROUGH THIS. JUST WATCH YOUR SPEED. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON 1300 WEST FOR QUITE A WHILE. WE FINISHED PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO IS STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS, A COUPLE WEEKS. PHASE TWO IS IMPROVEMENTS ON 13TH WEST FROM 90TH SOUTH DOWN TO 78 SOUTH. PHASE THREE IS FROM 78 SOUTH TO OUR NORTH BORDER.

THAT'S CURRENTLY IN DESIGN, AND THE ENGINEERS WHO ARE DESIGNING IT NEED SOME FEEDBACK, AND WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS. TALKED ABOUT THIS. ONCE WE HAVE THIS IS THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A VARIATION. OKAY. YEP, YEP. OKAY. SO IT'S CURRENTLY IN DESIGN. SPECIFICALLY, WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THIS SEGMENT OF 1300 WEST NORTH OF 70TH SOUTH FROM. SO YOU CAN PICTURE IN YOUR MIND 13TH WEST GOING NORTH OFF OF 70TH TOWARD THE MURRAY TAYLORSVILLE INTERSECTION. WINCHESTER. OKAY. THIS SEGMENT RIGHT HERE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEP. SEE MY HOUSE ON THIS? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S PRETTY WIDE HERE. AND THAT'S WHERE THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL GO. BUT CURRENTLY THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF RIGHT OF WAY ENCROACHMENT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUT INTO THESE INTO THE RIGHTS OF WAY.

SO THIS IS AN OLD AERIAL PHOTO, BUT BY DRAWING A LINE ON THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE OUR ENCROACHMENT ENDS, YOU SEE FENCES, A SEMI PERMANENT BOAT PARKED THERE, REGULAR, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT EXTENSION OF DRIVEWAY. AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE GAP. THERE'S A GAP FROM WHERE THE ASPHALT ENDS TO ACTUALLY WHERE THE PROPERTY IS. AND SO PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF MIGRATED THEIR USE INTO THAT GAP. SO DON'T BLAME THEM. CAN YOU TELL ME THOUGH? SO FROM WHAT I'VE OBSERVED DRIVING PAST THIS FOR 20 YEARS, THAT IS ALL THEIR BACKYARDS. CORRECT. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THAT. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR BACKYARDS. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT TOO. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO 13 RIGHT. MAN YOU'RE JUMPING AHEAD, CHAD DRIVING BY THIS FOR YEARS. I'M LIKE DIFFERENT ENTRANCES. OKAY. YEP. THAT'S CORRECT. SAME THING. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT NORTH. SAME SEGMENT THOUGH. NUMBER OF RIGHT OF WAY ENCROACHMENT AREAS. THIS IS A FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT. LONG STORY SHORT, IT'S EASIER FOR THE CITY TO DEAL WITH THE ENCROACHMENT AND THE ACQUISITION AND THE MOVEMENT OF SHEDS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IF WE JUST DO IT, THEN IF WE PUT IT INTO THE PROJECT, BECAUSE THEN THERE'S ALL KINDS OF FEDERAL REAL ESTATE LAWS THAT KICK IN FEDERAL ACQUISITION LAWS, FEDERAL NOTICING LAWS THAT DON'T APPLY. WE STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL OF OUR LAWS AND STATE LAWS. BUT BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE FEDERAL PROCESSES IF WE TAKE CARE OF THESE ISSUES FIRST. OKAY. SO THAT'S THIS IS A LONG PREAMBLE. NOW, A COUPLE OF PICTURES JUST TO SHOW WHAT IT'S LIKE RIGHT NOW, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS THIS IS THAT STRETCH.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF FENCES, RIGHT? VARIETY OF FENCE TYPES, YOU KNOW, NICE VINYL FENCE CHAIN LINK. NO, SOMETIMES NO FENCE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. THERE'S THAT GAP, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE EDGE OF ASPHALT AND WHERE THE FRONT YARD STARTS. SO THAT THAT FENCE IS CORRECT RIGHT THERE. THE WHITE FENCE UP THERE, THE WHITE. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. THAT CHIMNEY ON THE LEFT. YEAH. SO SOME OF THESE FENCES ARE IN THE RIGHT SPOT AND SOME OF THEM ARE A LITTLE BIT ENCROACHMENT. OKAY. THIS IS WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS. I'M GLAD THEY HAD A PRIVATE PROPERTY SIGN ON THERE. I WAS GOING TO HAVE SOCCER PRACTICE IN THAT PARK, BUT YOU KNOW.

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MEXICO PAY FOR IT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE WALL. WILL MEXICO PAY FOR IT? YEAH, BUT YOU USUALLY HAVE IT. BUT HOWEVER, WE'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT TRYING TO GET ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES TO NOW ORIENT INTERNALLY AND HAVING ONE LONG, CONSISTENT WALL IS GOING TO BE. INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING AND EXPENSIVE. CAN THEY STILL ACCESS? LIKE IF YOU PUT UP A WALL, CAN THEY WITH HOW THEY'VE MOVED THEIR TRAILERS AND STUFF IN THE TRASH CAN, GET IN OR NO. SO, SO HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD, HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE. AND WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON. WE WANT TO DO A WALL. BUT THE WALL WOULD NOT EXTEND PAST THEIR DRIVEWAY. SO THEY EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ON THE 13TH WEST. WE WOULD ALLOW TO CONTINUE. SO THE WALL WOULD BE BROKEN UP LIKE THIS. IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE TO BEGIN WITH. THEY ARE.

YEAH. IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE FAULT THOUGH. YEAH, PROBABLY NOT THE FAULT. PROBABLY DONE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GRANDFATHERED IN. YEAH. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF IS THERE AN ADVERSE POSSESSION ISSUE COMPLICATED LEGAL ISSUES THAT I COULD GET INTO IT IF WE WANT TO. BUT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE PLACE TO GET INTO ALL THE LEGAL ARGUMENTS WITH IT. WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN WRESTLING WITH THIS FOR A WHILE, AND WE AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE LONG, CONTINUOUS WALL, WE THINK ALLOWING THE CONTINUED DRIVEWAY ACCESS IS GOING TO BE PREFERABLE. WAY TO GO. ARE WE GOING TO FOLLOW THESE WALLS? THAT'S A QUESTION THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME. TALK ABOUT BACKING OUT OF A DRIVEWAY ONTO 13TH. YOU ARE YOU ARE SPOT ON.

SO WE HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU TONIGHT. ONE IS BECAUSE I MENTIONED 13TH WEST IS FEDERALLY FUNDED. IT WILL BE EASIER FOR US TO TAKE CARE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION ISSUES. AND IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES, BUILD A WALL ALONG THIS SECTION AS A CITY PROJECT BEFORE THE ROAD GOES IN. WHY DO WE NEED A WALL? IT WOULD BE PURELY ESTHETIC. IT WOULD BE AN ESTHETIC, IT WOULD BE FOR ESTHETICS. AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHY. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OPENINGS AND THAT WALL, DOES THAT NOT DEFEAT IT. YEAH. SO THE TWO QUESTIONS I'M POSING TO THE COUNCIL. SHOULD WE PUT A WALL ALONG THIS EDGE? IF SO, WHICH OF TWO KIND OF VISUAL OPTIONS DO YOU PREFER? LET ME SHOW YOU. SO THIS WAS WHAT WE WANTED WAS ONE LONG CONTINUOUS WALL. AGAIN WE'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE. AND SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ACCOMMODATE FOR SIGHTLINES IS TAKING EXIST. THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION ON THE NORTH EDGE. WE CAN DO ONE LONG 3.5FT FOUR FOOT WALL. AND THAT PRESERVES SIGHTLINES FOR THE DRIVEWAYS. IT ALLOWS THE DRIVEWAYS. IT ALLOWS DRIVERS TO SEE THE SIGHTLINES AS THEY COME OUT. SO THIS IS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. OH LOOK, YOU DID IT ALREADY. YOU DON'T NEED IT.

YEAH I'VE DONE. THE OTHER OPTION IS WE COULD PUT A SIX FOOT WALL WHERE THERE'S NOT DRIVEWAYS, BUT WITHIN 20FT OF EITHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY HAS TO GO TO THREE FOOT. WE COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF SEE THROUGH, LIKE WROUGHT IRON FENCING THAT WOULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

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SOME OF THEM TREAT IT AS AN EXTRA ENTRANCE TO A BACKYARD. SOME OF THEM DO MAINTAIN THEIR VEHICULAR ENTRANCE AND EXIT OFF OF THE INTERIOR ESTATES. IT'S A MIX. IT'S SOME OF EVERYTHING.

THE REASON WE NEED DIRECTION IS A. IF YOU APPROVE THIS WALL. AS MENTIONED, IT'S CHEAPER AND FASTER FOR US TO DO IT OURSELVES THAN ROLL IT INTO THE PROJECT, BUT WE NEED TO PUT IT INTO THIS BUDGET. IT'S NOT IN THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET. NOW. WE WOULD ADD IT AS A CAPITAL PROJECT, AND WE WOULD USE CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS TO DO THIS. IF YOU SAY, YES, WE WANT THE WALL, SO WE WANT SOME DIRECTION ON THAT BECAUSE THE ENGINEERS ARE DESIGNING THIS SEGMENT OF ROAD RIGHT NOW, AND THEY NEED TO KNOW, ARE THEY DESIGNING RIGHT UP TO A WALL OR ARE THEY DESIGNING TO AN EDGE WITH NO WALL? CAN WE JUST DO A ONE TIME OUT OF RESERVES INSTEAD OF ADDING IT TO BUDGET? JUST. IS THIS THE SAME DIFFERENCE? SAME, I MEAN, SAME BUDGETARY IMPACT? YEAH, WE WOULD DO IT AS A CIP PROJECT. YEAH. IT'S A I DO WANT A TENTATIVE, YOU KNOW, THUMBS UP ON THE WALL OR NOT SPEAK FOR PEOPLE THAT WON'T KIND OF WALL THEY WANT. IT'S A, IT'S A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, GIVE OR TAKE. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT LET'S SAY IT'S A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO DO A WALL ON THIS SEGMENT. WE WOULD WANT. THE CITY WILL BE THE THE WALL WILL BE ON CITY PROPERTY, NOT ON THEIR PROPERTY WILL BE THE EDGE OF THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY, SO WHEN I RUN DOWN THE STREET AND SOME GUY HITS ME AND I PLOW INTO THAT WALL, YEAH, THIS WILL BE A HERD. THIS WILL BE A CITY OWNED WALL. MAINTAIN THAT WALL. THIS WILL BE A CITY OWNED WALL AS OPPOSED TO OTHER WALLS THAT ARE INSTALLED BY THAT DEVELOPERS. YEAH. THE DEVELOPER INSTALLS THEM. WE GO AND TELL THEM, DO YOU KNOW THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY? CAN YOU FIX IT? WHO HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST AND HOW REALISTIC? HOW IS IT REALLY JUST COMPLETELY INFEASIBLE TO JUST HAVE A SOLID WALL? IS THAT IS THAT JUST I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LOOKED AND LOOKED. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST PULL IT OFF. SOME OF THE LOT, FRANKLY, I MENTIONED THE LOTS ARE PIE SHAPED. I THINK SOME OF THESE NEW TRAILERS HAVE BEEN PUT IN SUCH A WAY ON THAT PIE SHAPED LOT THAT THERE IS NOT ROOM FOR A VEHICLE ON THE OTHER SIDE TO APPROACH FROM THE OTHER SIDE. NORMANDY ESTATES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, ON THOSE THOSE CIRCLES ON NORMANDY ESTATES THAT GO WAY BACK TO WHAT KIND OF KIND OF THESE RISK IS THE CITY ASSUMING BY ALLOWING ACCESS TO 13TH WHERE THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE OR THERE WASN'T EVER INTENDED, WEREN'T BACK HERE? YEAH, WE LOOKED AT THAT AS WELL. THE TRAFFIC COUNTS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE DRAMATICALLY. THE ROAD PROFILE WILL CHANGE. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS CHANGING BECAUSE OF THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. IF THIS WERE IF THIS WERE A WALLED ACCESS ONTO A SEVEN LANE ROAD, WE'D FEEL OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE NERVOUS ABOUT IT. THIS SECTION, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS GOING UP DRAMATICALLY. WE FELT OKAY, BUT IF YOU CAN SEE THESE BUMP OUTS, THESE ARE ACTUALLY CITY OWNED. GUEST PARKING AREAS FOR NORMANDY ESTATES. BUT SOME OF THESE LOTS, THE WAY THEY'RE PUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFICULT CAR SITUATIONS. COULD YOU COULD YOU

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DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM DON'T HAVE ACCESS FROM THE MAILBOXES OUT THERE? HOW MANY DON'T HAVE THAT DON'T. OR IT'S NOT VERY PRACTICAL. SO THAT'S ON THE CITY. YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE. YEAH IT IS. THAT'S A MURKY QUESTION. LIKE THAT HOUSE RIGHT THERE. THEY WOULDN'T WANT THE SIX FOOT OH. THEY'VE GOT A SMALL FENCE. I THINK THE SHORTER WALL AND LEAVE THE DRIVEWAYS IS THE RIGHT ANSWER. AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY HAVE THE LARGER FENCES DON'T WANT THE SMALLER ONES LEAVING THAT WAY. UNTIL KENT SAID SOMEONE CAN PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, THAT'S GOING TO LOOK EVEN WORSE. YEAH. SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE GRATEFUL, THOUGH, BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, WHY COULDN'T THEY? I ALWAYS WANTED A FENCE. YEAH, YEAH. DO THE FIRST QUESTION. OBVIOUSLY THEY WANT A FENCE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, COVERED BECAUSE THEY PUT A COVER OF THEIR CHAIN LINK. WE AN ENGINEER'S BRIAN'S TEAM WILL COME UP WITH FINAL DESIGNS OBVIOUSLY. BUT MY QUESTION TONIGHT IS DO THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL SUPPORT A WALL ALONG THIS STRETCH WILLING TO APPROPRIATE A HALF $1 MILLION OUT OF CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS TO DO A WALL OF SOME SORT? WHAT ARE WE PUSHING BACK? SOMETHING'S GOT TO BE DONE. WHAT ARE WE PUSHING BACK? WHAT ELSE WOULD WE HAVE SPENT THAT $500,000 ON? WE WANT YOU TO SPEND IT ON. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF I DO. YEAH, THAT'S HARD TO SAY EXACTLY. BUT THE THE OPPORTUNITY. YEAH, THE OPPORTUNITY COST COULD BE A ROAD, A DIFFERENT ROAD PROJECT, A DIFFERENT FACILITY OR PARK PROJECT. WHY, WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT? WHAT DOES THAT MAKE EASIER FOR ESTHETICS? IT'S JUST ESTHETICS. THE ROAD WILL BE IMPROVED RIGHT UP TO THAT EDGE. EITHER WAY, WITH THE SIDEWALK TO THE PROPERTY LINE, WE DON'T PUT THE WALL, IT JUST STAYS LIKE THIS. INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, THIS IS THIS IS US AS STAFF SAYING, HEY, COUNCIL AS AS A CITY, WE HAVE A BIG PRIORITY ON ESTHETICS. THIS IS AN AREA WE COULD IMPROVE ESTHETICS. YEAH. AND, AND IT'S TIME SENSITIVE BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T PUT ANY WALL IN, WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING OUT HALF THE FENCES THAT ARE THERE THAT HAVE COME ACROSS THE LINE AND LEAVING HALF THE FENCES THAT ARE THERE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'LL MAKE IT WORSE. I MEAN, IT'S BAD. NOW YOU DON'T PUT A WALL. IT'S THEN THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, IF YOU TAKE DOWN MY FENCE, YOU BETTER PUT ONE BACK UP. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO I, I THINK PUTTING IN A WALL OF EITHER DESIGN IS PREFERABLE TO NOT PUTTING IN. BUT WHY DO WE WANT IT? WHY DO WE WANT TO PUT IT ON OUR PROPERTY AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? WE CAN'T FORCE IT ON THEIR PROPERTY. YEAH, WE CAN ASK THEM. IT'S LIKE REVERSE EMINENT DOMAIN. I DON'T THINK YOU SHALL HAVE A WALL. I DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A CINDERBLOCK WALL ON THAT ON THAT ROAD. I DON'T THINK IT'S I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE RUNNING INTO THOSE FENCES. THEY'RE GOING TO BELIEVE IT'S A CITY OWNED WALL, WHETHER IT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY OR GET SOME INSURANCE FOR IT. AND IF ANYBODY BREAKS IT, I MEAN, I'VE LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN DRIVING PAST THAT FOR 20 YEARS AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY RUN OVER A FENCE THERE OR SEEN ONE PLOWED DOWN THAT ROAD FOR 40 YEARS. AND HOW MANY FENCES HAVE YOU SEEN DOWN? ATTENTION? I DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO ANY OF IT. I'M NOT

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IF WE DO THE BLACK IRON GOLD SO THAT IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE AN ESTATE. YEAH, MAYBE A COUPLE OF SCULPTED CONCRETE LIONS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN EVEN WITH THOSE UP THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THAT GREEN TARP OVER IT ANYWAY. THEY COULD. YEAH. I MEAN, I'D SAY MARBLE, BUT I THINK CONCRETE. OKAY. THANK YOU PEOPLE. I WILL WORK ON THAT. WE SHOULD RESPECT JUST JUST FOR THE MINUTES. CAN I GET WHO THE FOUR ARE THAT SUPPORT THE. I THINK THERE WERE MORE THAN FOUR.

JACOB. OKAY. SO. WHAT A MESSY SITUATION THAT IS. SO WHEN. MY LITTLE MASTER'S DEGREE IN LAW JUST. MR. LEE, ARE THERE OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WHERE WE OWN PROPERTY AND RESIDENTS ARE USING? WELL, WE HAVE ENCROACHMENT ISSUES ALL OVER THE CITY THAT WE WORK ON ADDRESSING, SOMETIMES ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. OFTEN IT'S ENCROACHMENT INTO PROTECTED WATERWAYS AND STORMWATER AREAS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE EXTENDED THEIR BACKYARDS, BACKYARDS. WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH THEM TO SAY, NO, NO, NO, THE PROPERTY LINE IS RIGHT HERE. YES. AND FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW A GOVERNMENT THAT DOES THAT OWNS RIGHTS OF WAYS, THAT DOESN'T DEAL WITH ENCROACHMENT. OKAY, WE ONLY HAVE FIVE MORE MINUTES. RATHER THAN JUMP INTO COREY'S BUDGET, WHICH IS LENGTHY AND VERY INVOLVED, I'M OFFENDED. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU. RIGHT PAST IT PRETTY QUICK. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE VERY LAST SLIDE BEFORE. BRIAN. OH, BRIAN. BRIAN. OKAY. I'M GOOD BEFORE THAT. RIGHT HERE. PUBLIC SAFETY.

YES. OKAY. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE BUDGET. WAS THERE BEFORE.

IS THERE A DEDICATED SLIDE FOR. OH, PERFECT. OKAY, DON'T READ THE SLIDE YET. LET ME TELL YOU A STORY. WE HAVE A CHALLENGE. FIRE TRUCKS AND POLICE VEHICLES ARE GETTING DRAMATICALLY MORE

[02:25:06]

RIGHT. THEY'RE HELD IN RESERVE. BUT I STILL WANT TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THOSE RESERVE UNITS AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IT HELPS OUR FRONTLINE UNITS STAY AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. TO DO THAT.

BOTH CHIEFS, MYSELF, GREG, OTHERS HAVE BEEN BRAINSTORMING. WE'D LIKE TO GET ON YOUR RADAR.

A PUBLIC SAFETY LOGISTICS BUILDING. ESSENTIALLY, IT'S A BIG GARAGE TO STORE SOME OF THE EXPENSIVE VEHICULAR EQUIPMENT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. YEAH, EXACT SAME WHERE I HAVE TWO PLACES IN MIND. NEITHER ONE IS FIRMED UP THAT WE CAN DO IT THERE. THE FIRST PLACE WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO DO IT IS AT STATION 54, WHERE WE HAVE SOME EXTRA LAND, BUT THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES THERE WITH THE WELL. THE SECOND STATION IS POSSIBLY NEAR THE PUBLIC WORKS SITE, WHERE WE COULD RECONFIGURE THINGS AND ACQUIRE SOME PROPERTY. WITH THE ENDING OF THE SOCCER COMPLEX TO EXTEND SOME OF THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD AND POSSIBLY FIT IT THERE. YEAH, THAT IS NOT FIRMED UP YET.

WE PUT IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET $2 MILLION FOR THIS PUBLIC SAFETY LOGISTICS BUILDING. AGAIN, VERY, VERY SIMPLE BUILDING A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT VERY SIMPLE DESIGN, VERY SIMPLE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE JUST WANT TO GET THESE HEAVY AND EXPENSIVE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT OUT OF THE WEATHER CENTER. IS THAT WHAT DO THEY SIT RIGHT NOW? CHIEF'S OUT IN THE BACK OF THE FIRE STATION, FORTUNATELY. RIGHT. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT PLAY INTO THIS. I CAN'T BE THE ONES THAT WE PUT OUTSIDE. OBVIOUSLY, WE TRY TO DO THE OLDEST, SMALLEST, CHEAPEST. WE WINTERIZE THEM, WE DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS WITH THE SIZE OF THEM, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DEPLOY OUR RESOURCES NECESSARILY IN THE BEST WAY THAT WE WANT TO, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ROOM TO PARK THEM. SO WE HAVE CERTAIN FIRE STATIONS THAT WE MAY SAY, OH, LADDER, IT WOULD BE BEST FOR THE LADDER TO RUN OUT OF THIS STATION AND IT WON'T FIT. AND SO WE'VE HAD TO TETRIS ALL OUR APPARATUS INTO THE STATIONS, AND WE BASICALLY CAN'T USE ANY OTHER CONFIGURATION THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT. SO IF WE SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO RUN ANOTHER AMBULANCE OUT OF THIS STATION, WE HAVE NO CAPACITY. SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE. SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY WE'RE WE'RE OPERATING, WHICH IS GOOD.

IT'S THE WAY WE WOULD WANT TO RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE LIMITED IN WHERE WE CAN PUT APPARATUS AND KEEP THEM INSIDE. OUR MOST EXPENSIVE VEHICLES ARE SWAT TRUCK AND BRYAN HOUSES IT FOR US. AND I'M SURE HE LOVES HAVING IT IN HIS BAY, TAKING UP LOTS OF STORAGE. BUT AND THEN THE REST OF OURS THAT ARE LESS EXPENSIVE ARE PARKED OUTSIDE OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE AREA OVER THERE AND THE MOBILE COMMAND POST. AND JUST GET WEATHERED AND. WHAT ELSE STRUCTURE COST LESS? THAT'S BEEN ON OUR MIND, RIGHT? CAN WE DO IT WITH A SPRUNG STRUCTURE, A SPRUNG STRUCTURE? SPRUNG IS A COMPANY IN WEST JORDAN THAT MAKES LARGE. DOMES. YEAH. I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF THE WORDS. THEY ARE PREFAB. THEY'RE FABRICATED ON SITE BUILDINGS THAT ARE KIND OF DOME SHAPED. OKAY. THEY LOOK LIKE TENTS. THEY HATE IT WHEN YOU CALL THEM A TENT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY WELL INSULATED AND THEY'RE VERY FAST TO INSTALL.

AND THEY'RE VERY INEXPENSIVE TO INSTALL ON A PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS. HOWEVER, THEY TEND TO LOOK A LITTLE INDUSTRIAL IN EITHER OF THE TWO SITES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. A SPRUNG STRUCTURE MIGHT BE A VERY GOOD ALTERNATIVE. OH. THAT'S THERE. AND THERE. YEAH. AND THEY'RE YEAH, THEY'RE NORTH AMERICAN HEADQUARTERS OR THEIR US HEADQUARTERS ARE IN WEST JORDAN

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ACTUALLY, THE SALT LAKE CITY FIRE LOGISTICS BUILDING IS A SPRUNG STRUCTURE AND THEY'RE VERY HAPPY WITH IT. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE FRONT. I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE THAT. IT'S NOT A NORMAL. YEAH THEY'RE GREAT. THE OUTSIDE THEY LOOK A LITTLE FUNNY. BUT FROM THE INSIDE THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY NICE. THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY GOOD ALTERNATIVE FOR THIS KIND OF SCENARIO AND OTHERS. SO WE PUT $2 MILLION IN THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE AND PROPOSE A FIRE AND POLICE LOGISTICS BUILDING. WE HAD AT THE TIME, THREE MONTHS AGO, NEWS THAT WE COULD REFUND. SORRY, NOT IT IS A REFUND, BUT ESSENTIALLY REFINANCE OUR MBA BOND TO A LOWER INTEREST RATE AND TAKE THE SAVINGS AND FUND THIS BUILDING. NOW, IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, INTEREST RATES HAVE SHOT RIGHT BACK UP. AND SO. REFUNDING THAT BOND IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROPOSE TO REFINANCE IT. I SHARE THIS WITH YOU TO SAY IT'S UP TO YOU. YOU CAN LEAVE IT IN THE WE STILL THINK THIS IS A PRIORITY. THE PRIORITY HASN'T GONE AWAY. OUR FINANCING MECHANISM AND THE WAY WE THOUGHT WE COULD MAKE THIS HAPPEN QUICKLY HAS GONE AWAY.

AND SO YOU CAN TAKE THIS OUT OF THE BUDGET AND SAY WHEN YOU'RE READY AND WHEN YOU CAN REFINANCE, WE'LL DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. THAT WILL BE GREAT, OR YOU CAN LEAVE IT IN. WE AGAIN, WE DON'T INTEND TO DO THIS UNTIL WE HAVE A GOOD MECHANISM TO SAVE THE CITY IN THE LONG RUN. IN THE LONG RUN, WHAT'S GOING TO BE CHEAPER FOR THE CITY? WELL, WE WANT TO DO THIS BUILDING SOMETIME IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS BECAUSE WE SEE THE NEED AND BECAUSE THIS EQUIPMENT'S ONLY GOING TO GET MORE EXPENSIVE. AND SO WE WANT TO PROTECT IT.

SO HOW DID YOUR 2 MILLION BREAK DOWN? YOU JUST SAID 2 MILLION. YEAH, THAT'S A REAL ROUGH NUMBER RIGHT NOW. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT TOTALLY SETTLED ON THE SITE OR THE LAYOUT. AND WE HAVEN'T COSTED OUT THE SPRUNG STRUCTURE OR OTHER ARCHITECTURE ALTERNATIVES. SO THIS IS, THIS WAS REALLY PLACEHOLDER THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GET STARTED WITH THE SPRUNG STRUCTURE. HOW EASY IS IT TO, IF WE PUT IT IN A TEMPORARY PLACE FOR NOW, THEN MOVE IT TO SOMETHING. WE CAN MOVE SPRUNG STRUCTURES. HEY, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD TEMPORARY PLACE, AT LEAST THAT I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW. I'D BE. THAT WOULD BE AN ADDED COST TO PUT IT UP AND THEN MOVE IT. CORRECTLY. THIS QUESTION THOUGH, WAS REALLY GOOD, IS LIKE, WE WANT TO DO THIS BECAUSE IN THE LONG RUN IT WILL SAVE MONEY. IF WE'RE NOT BUYING NEW TRUCKS, RIGHT? DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF KIND OF COST RECOVERY? STUDY OR JUST I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO STUDY IT. THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE LIKE WE THINK WE CAN SAY, WE THINK WE CAN EXTEND THE LIFE OF AN ENGINE BY THREE YEARS BY DOING THIS. SO IT SAVES US. THAT'S A QUESTION. I JOTTED DOWN THE TIME VALUE OF MONEY OF $1 MILLION FOR THREE YEARS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. IS THERE SOME SORT OF COST RECOVERY LIKE BACK OF THE NAPKIN? I THINK THAT $2 MILLION OVER A 30 YEAR, 40 YEAR LIFE OF THE BUILDING WILL EASILY PAY FOR ITSELF OVER EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THE EQUIPMENT. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING THE BUILDING. YEAH. BUT, YOU KNOW, WILL WE RECOVER THAT WITHIN FIVE YEARS? I DON'T YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WHERE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO FOR ME. RIGHT? IS IT CHEAPER TO JUST REPLACE THE ENGINES AND SPEND $2 MILLION ON A BUILDING TO HOUSE THEM, TO EXTEND THEIR LIFE BY JUST A LITTLE BIT? WELL, BY A LOT OR WILL ON ANY ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT? THIS WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE, RIGHT? COLLECTIVELY CONSECUTIVELY, THEN IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

WE THOUGHT, OH, WE'VE GOT THIS MBA BOND REFUNDING OPPORTUNITY. THIS WILL BE A GREAT TIME TO PULL THE TRIGGER AND DO THIS PROJECT. AND THAT'S WHEN WE PUT IT IN THE BUDGET, WHEN THE INTEREST RATES CHANGED, WE KNEW THAT A PEACE DEAL IS VERY CLOSE. SO DID YOU PUT 2 MILLION IN THE BUDGET? THERE'S 2 MILLION IN THE CAPITAL PROJECT BUDGET NOW. AND I'M TELLING YOU, YOU CAN TAKE IT OUT IF YOU CHOOSE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO DO IT NOW. SO WE TOOK IT OUT.

WHAT WOULD THAT CHANGE YOUR TAX INCREASE TO? WOULDN'T DO IT. IT'S CAPITAL PROJECTS CAPITAL PROJECT. ONE TIME MONEY. YOU TAKE CAPITAL PROJECTS MONEY AND PUT IT IN GENERAL FUND IS THAT

[02:35:03]

BUT BEFORE WE FINALIZE IT, WE WOULD TAKE MONEY FROM ANYWHERE, KEEP IT IN, BUT DON'T SPEND IT OR TAKE IT OUT. BUT EITHER WAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND IT UNTIL WE HAVE A SITE DESIGN AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE FUNDING. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND IT, I'D RATHER IT JUST GO BACK INTO.

YEAH, BUT I WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE ISSUE NOW. WE ARE WORKING ON IT BEHIND THE SCENES, TRYING TO PIN DOWN THE SITE, SITE PLAN AND A COST, AND THEN WE CAN BRING YOU BACK SPECIFICS.

YOU KNOW, YOU COMING HERE AND TELLING US THINGS WE CAN TAKE OUT OF THE BUDGET RIGHT AWAY IS VERY HELPFUL. DO A LOT MORE. ALL RIGHT. HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY UNITS FOR THIS GARAGE? WE'RE TALKING FIVE. HOW MANY? TEN. YEAH. HOW MANY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? AS BIG AS YOU'VE GOT. HOW MANY? FOUR. WE WANT AS MANY AS YOU GIVE US. NO NO NO NO. HOW MANY UNITS. HOW MANY DO YOU NEED COVERED THAT AREN'T BEING COVERED? THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. WE NEED A LOT OF SPACE.

BUT BUT ARE THERE FOUR UNITS THAT ARE SITTING OUTSIDE? TWO OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW. AND THEY'RE SMALLER. THEY'RE NOT FULL SIZE ENGINES LIKE AN AMBULANCE AND A I'M TRYING TO SEE HOW LARGE OF A GARAGE YOU'RE ASKING FOR. WE WILL. I THINK THE SITE WILL DICTATE THE GARAGE SIZE. WE WANT TO DO AS BIG. IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING LIKE A SPRUNG STRUCTURE. THIS. WE WANT TO DO AS BIG A SQUARE FOOT AS THE SITE WILL ALLOW. BECAUSE WE THINK THIS NEED WILL GROW.

STRUCTURES ARE CURBING COST, RIGHT? YOU CAN ADD SQUARE FOOTAGE WITHOUT ADDING COST AT A CERTAIN POINT, BUT YOU'RE AN AMERICAN AND IF YOU HAVE SPACE, YOU WILL FILL IT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO GIVE SPACE. YEAH, WE'RE POINT WELL TAKEN TWO CAR GARAGE AT THE TOWNHOUSE.

I MEAN, SHE'S GOING TO FILL UP A JOKE, RIGHT? THAT'S A GOOD STOPPING POINT. YEAH, I THINK SO. WE'VE GOT A COUNCIL MEETING IN 22 MINUTES. SO FOR

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