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          CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. TODAY IS JULY 20TH. EXCUSE ME, 14TH, 2026. THIS IS OUR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING. IT IS 4:00 PM. I HAVE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT EXCEPT FOR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, WHO SAID SHE WILL BE A FEW MINUTES LATE. OUR FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM 
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 Presentation of the 2026 Community Survey by Y2 Analytics]
IS TWO A THE PRESENTATION OF THE 2026 COMMUNITY SURVEY BY Y2 ANALYTICS. OUR PRESENTERS ARE KIERAN GIBBS AND ETHAN MELDRUM OF Y2 ANALYTICS. PULL UP A CHAIR. HOW'S IT GOING, EVERYBODY? HOPE EVERYONE'S WORLD CUP BRACKETS ARE DOING OKAY AFTER. I LIKE THAT START. 
          DO I HAVE A CLICKER? OKAY, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME AT ANY POINT FOR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CRITICISMS. WE WILL BE TAKING NOTES AND CAN GET BACK TO YOU GUYS ON ANY FURTHER ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO LOOK INTO AT A FUTURE POINT. SO TO START OFF WITH A SORT OF BROAD OVERVIEW OF OUR KEY FINDINGS, THE ONE OF THE THEMES OF THIS SURVEY THAT WE FOUND IS THAT WEST JORDAN IS DOING VERY CONSISTENTLY WELL OVER TIME. SO WE HAVE WE ASKED RESIDENTS TO RATE THE CITY SCALE OF 1 TO 100. YOU'RE AT A 76, WHICH IS QUITE GOOD. AND THAT'S BEEN THE THE SAME NUMBER THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS. SIMILARLY, WITH THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY, ABOUT HALF OF RESIDENTS FEEL THAT WEST JORDAN IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, WHICH IS, AGAIN, A NUMBER THAT IS ON AN UPWARD TRAJECTORY. SO WE'VE BEEN SEEING AN INCREASE IN OPTIMISM OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. ALMOST ALL THOSE COMMENTS. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THEY WEREN'T. SO A COUPLE OF INCIDENTS. BUT THOSE THOSE ARE ACCURATE. YES. YEAH. DON'T GET TOO BOGGED DOWN IN THE IN THE ANECDOTES. WE'RE ALSO SEEING THAT ALMOST ALL OF OUR ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL METRICS ARE AT THE HIGHEST THAT THEY'VE BEEN SINCE 2023, WITH A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE ACROSS ALL OF THOSE METRICS. WE'RE ALSO SEEING ON A GENERAL SCALE THAT NEARLY ALL CITY SERVICES HAVE HAD A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TERMS OF THE RATING THAT RESIDENTS WOULD GIVE THEM. THAT'S ESPECIALLY TRUE LOOKING FROM 2025 TO 2026. BASICALLY, WE'VE SEEN A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE ACROSS ALL OF THOSE ISSUES THAT RESIDENTS ARE HAVING, AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE MOSTLY RELATED TO GROWTH. WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF WATER USAGE AND WATER CONSERVATION CONCERNS AS WELL FOR RESIDENTS, WHICH WE'LL BE SURE TO GET INTO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ADDED IN THIS SURVEY ARE RELATED TO THAT WATER USE. WE'RE SEEING THAT RESIDENTS ARE BECOMING A LOT MORE WATER CONSCIOUS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND RESIDENTS ARE REALLY HOPING THAT THE CITY CAN PRIORITIZE THOSE WATER WISE INVESTMENTS AND AND MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS USING WATER WELL. SO LET'S DIVE RIGHT IN BRIEFLY. LET'S GO OVER OUR METHODOLOGY. WE HAVE 1117 RESIDENTS SAMPLED, WHICH IS A RECORD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COOPERATION IN GETTING RESIDENTS TO TAKE THE SURVEY. IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL LATELY. WE DID OUR SURVEY VIA EMAIL AND TEXT MESSAGE, AND RESIDENTS TOOK THE SURVEY ONLINE. WE WAITED THE DATA, ACCORDING TO CITY COUNCIL, DISTRICT AGE, RACE, GENDER, AS WELL AS HOME OWNERSHIP. AND WE HAVE A MARGIN OF ERROR OF 2.9 PERCENTAGE POINTS, WHICH IS WHICH IS ALSO A RECORD. SO A VERY SMALL MARGIN OF ERROR FOR THIS SURVEY, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS. OKAY, MOVING TO CITY HEALTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, WE HAVE AN OVERALL AVERAGE OF 76 OUT OF 100 IN TERMS OF OUR CITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE, THIS VARIES VERY LITTLE ACROSS DISTRICTS. 
          DISTRICT FOUR IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN AVERAGE, BUT ALL OF OUR DISTRICT AVERAGES ARE CIRCLING THAT MEAN OF 76. I GOT TO PICK IT UP DISTRICT ROAD. YEAH. I'LL GO OVER THIS SLIDE VERY BRIEFLY. IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME INFORMATION JUST COMPARING 2025 TO 2026 ACROSS DISTRICT. WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT THERE IS VERY LITTLE VARIATION ACROSS DISTRICTS OVER TIME. A SLIGHTLY HIGHER JUMP IN DISTRICT FOUR IN TERMS OF THAT QUALITY OF LIFE. BUT EVERYTHING IS WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR HERE. SO VERY CONSISTENT. THAT 76 NUMBER HAS BEEN QUITE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, YOU KNOW, NON CITY STUFF THAT MAKES PEOPLE SAY THIS AS WELL. YEAH. I MEAN, THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T BLAME THE CITY FOR EVERYTHING. BUT YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE IS DOWN. 
          NATIONAL POLITICS AND OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, GAS PRICES. YES. EXACTLY. WHICH, YOU KNOW, ISN'T THE CITY'S FAULT. BUT THOSE TEND TO SAY, WELL, THINGS AREN'T AS GOOD AS THEY WERE, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T THE CITY THAT MADE THE NEWS THAT CAME OUT LAST WEEKEND. RIGHT? IF 
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UTAH IS LIKE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE NATION, HEY, WE'RE CONSISTENTLY I WOULD TAKE ANY CONSISTENCY AS GOOD NEWS. JORDAN'S DRAGGING IT DOWN. YEAH. SO I WOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT THESE NUMBERS. WE ASKED RESIDENTS WHAT THEY LIKE MOST ABOUT LIVING IN WEST JORDAN. 
          THESE ARE OPEN ENDED RESPONSES. SO RESIDENTS WROTE IN WHAT THEY LIKED. THERE ARE FOUR MAIN THEMES, AND THESE REMAINED CONSISTENT FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. NUMBER ONE BEING SAFETY AND COMMUNITY. RESIDENTS ARE VERY PLEASED WITH THE AMOUNT OF SAFETY THAT THEY FEEL. 
          THEY FEEL THEY HAVE GOOD NEIGHBORS, A GOOD SENSE OF COMMUNITY, A LOW CRIME RATE. 
          RESIDENTS ARE ALSO VERY HAPPY WITH THE CONVENIENCE, SPECIFICALLY RELATING TO STORES, TRANSPORTATION, RESTAURANTS, OTHER SERVICES THAT THEY CAN HAVE HERE. RESIDENTS ARE ALSO VERY HAPPY WITH THE LOCATION OF WEST JORDAN ITSELF IN RELATION TO SALT LAKE CITY, OTHER PARKS, OTHER CITIES, THAT SORT OF THING. AND FINALLY, WITH CITY SERVICES, RESIDENTS ARE VERY HAPPY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WITH ALL OF THE CITY SERVICES THAT WEST JORDAN HAS. AND WE'LL GET INTO THOSE CITY SERVICES SPECIFICALLY IN JUST A MOMENT HERE. SO GOING BACK TO THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY HERE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, ABOUT HALF 49% OF RESIDENTS FEEL THAT WEST JORDAN IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. ONLY 15FT, ONLY 15% FEEL THAT WEST JORDAN IS HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION WITH A PRETTY SIZABLE CHUNK, 36% FEELING THAT THEY AREN'T REALLY SURE WHICH DIRECTION WESTWARD IS HEADED IN. I WILL NOTE HERE THAT YOUNGER RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN WEST JORDAN FOR LESS TIME ARE GENERALLY THOSE THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE WILLING TO SAY THAT WEST JORDAN IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AS OPPOSED TO THOSE MORE OLDER RESIDENTS OR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. SO INTERESTING, INTERESTING. WEST JORDAN IS A LOT DIFFERENT IF YOU'VE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY. AND IT'S NOT WHAT YOU JUST A FUNCTION OF CHANGE AT ALL. YEAH. YEAH YEAH. AND THAT'S SEEN THAT CHANGE THAT'S REALLY CONSISTENT UP AND DOWN THE WASATCH FRONT AND ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF OUR HIGHEST GROWTH CITIES, WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS, THOSE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO RECOGNIZE THOSE CHANGES ARE THE ONES WHO ARE MORE LIKELY TO EXPRESS A BIT OF FRUSTRATION. 
          THAT SAID, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE RATIOS HERE, MORE THAN ANYTHING, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 3 TO 1 POSITIVE TO NEGATIVE SENTIMENT HERE. SO AGAIN, REALLY, REALLY POSITIVE MARKS ACROSS THE BOARD. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. AND IF YOU'VE COVERED THIS BEFORE, I APOLOGIZE. I MY MEMORY IS NOT AWESOME. HOW ARE THE PEOPLE CHOSEN THAT ARE SENT THE SURVEY. 
          YEAH. SO WE SAMPLE FROM THE UTILITY LIST THAT YOU ALL GIVE US. SO JUST RANDOM RANDOMLY SELECTED. OKAY. YEAH. RANDOMLY SELECTED HOUSEHOLDS FROM THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY LIST. AND THEN WE SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH TEXT MESSAGE INVITATIONS TO MULTI-UNIT ADDRESSES SO THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE COVERING THAT RENTER POPULATION AS WELL. THAT MIGHT BE MORE LIKELY TO BE EXCLUDED FROM THE UTILITY LISTS. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO A BIT MORE GOOD NEWS FOR YOU. 
          SO THIS BLUE LINE THAT WE'RE SEEING, THIS IS THAT SAME QUESTION OF DIRECTION OF THE CITY OVER TIME. SO PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTS WHO FEEL THAT THE CITY IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT OR WRONG DIRECTION, THIS BLUE LINE IS RIGHT DIRECTION. SO WHEN WE STARTED DOING THIS SURVEY IN 2023, 35% OF RESIDENTS FELT THAT THE CITY WAS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND THAT'S BEEN ON AN UPWARD TRAJECTORY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, SUCH THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN 2023 HAVE THESE NUMBERS HAVE BASICALLY FLIPPED. SO WE'RE CONVERTING A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE FENCE SITTERS OR WHO DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHICH DIRECTION THE CITY WAS HEADED INTO THAT MORE OPTIMISTIC VIEWPOINT. AND THEN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE CITY IS IN THE WRONG DIRECTION HAS BASICALLY REMAINED THE SAME OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO A SIMILAR QUESTION, BUT IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. WE ASKED HOW RESIDENTS FELT ABOUT CURRENT WEST JORDAN COMPARED TO FIVE YEARS AGO. AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS ON PAR WITH THE OTHER GOOD NEWS, WHICH IS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT 70% OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO FEEL THAT WEST JORDAN IS AT LEAST ABOUT THE SAME, IF NOT BETTER THAN IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO. AND THAT INCREASE FROM 2025 IS ALL IN THAT MUCH BETTER OR SOMEWHAT BETTER CATEGORY. SO WE HAVE A FEW MORE PEOPLE COMPARED TO LAST YEAR WHO FEEL THAT WEST JORDAN IS DOING MUCH BETTER NOW THAN IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO. ANOTHER OPEN ENDED QUESTION HERE WE ASKED, WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IS FOR RESIDENTS IN THE IN THE NEXT 3 TO 5 YEARS THAT THEY COULD SEE, AND I WANT TO START OVER IN THE RIGHT. CRIME IS IS TOP OF MIND FOR A LOT OF RESIDENTS. THERE 
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ARE SOME GROWING CONCERNS ABOUT CRIME RATES, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO HOUSING DENSITY AND POPULATION GROWTH. A FEW RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC. A LOT OF THESE ISSUES ARE TIED UP IN GROWTH, AND SORT OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES ARE ALSO GROWTH RELATED. WE GO BACK TO CRIME FOR A MINUTE. DID YOU HAVE YOU DID YOU LOOK AT PAST YEARS TO SEE IF IT'S CHANGED? BECAUSE IN MY MIND, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A LOT MORE CONCERN WITH CRIME THAN WE'VE HAD IN PRIOR SURVEYS, BUT NOT ANYTHING THAT STOOD OUT. WE CAN GO OVER AND SORT OF TRY AND CATEGORIZE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET AN ACTUAL PERCENTAGE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT CRIME. BUT IT'S IT WAS PRETTY SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE. MR. LEE. I'D LOVE TO HAVE A CHIEF OR ONE OF HIS, WHOEVER HE ASSIGNED TO BRING US SOME DATA, BECAUSE THAT KIND OF STUCK OUT TO ME AND MAKES ME CONCERNED. IT MAKES ME WANT TO KNOW, DOES THE DATA BACK UP, BACK UP WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE FEELING OR WHY ARE THEY FEELING THAT WAY? HE'S IN THE OTHER ROOM RIGHT NOW. JUST STEPPED OUT. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. THE OTHER SORT OF OVERARCHING ISSUE IS RELATED TO GROWTH WITH A LOT OF RESIDENTS WORRYING ABOUT HOUSING DENSITY, AFFORDABILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THE ONE THAT I WANTED TO CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY THIS YEAR IS WATER. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT APPEARED IN LAST YEAR'S SURVEY ALL THAT MUCH. A LOT OF ISSUES WITH DROUGHTS, WITH FIRES, OTHER WATER CONSERVATION RELATED ISSUES ARE HAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE CONSIDERING WATER USE AND WATER CONSERVATION IN THIS SURVEY, MORE SO THAN THEY HAVE IN YEARS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL ALSO SEE IN FUTURE QUESTIONS IN THIS SURVEY. ALL RIGHT, SO MOVING ON TO SOME SPECIFIC ATTITUDES TOWARDS THE CITY. WE ASKED A FEW CULTURAL AND SORT OF ATMOSPHERIC METRICS RELATED TO WEST JORDAN. FOR THE MOST PART, THE VAST MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS ARE VERY PLEASED WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARKS, OPEN SPACES AND RECREATION AREAS. THEY FEEL THAT THESE DO MEET THEIR NEEDS. MOST RESIDENTS FEEL THAT WEST JORDAN IS A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE THEIR FAMILY. MOST RESIDENTS FEEL VERY SAFE LIVING IN WEST JORDAN. A SLIGHTLY SMALLER GROUP OF RESIDENTS FEEL THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY WITH OTHER WEST JORDAN RESIDENTS, BUT THIS IS STILL A MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS WHO DO WHO DO FEEL THIS WAY. AND THESE NUMBERS ARE VERY COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE SAW LAST YEAR. BASICALLY NO CHANGE, EXCEPT FOR SOME INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WILLING TO SAY THAT WEST HAD ENOUGH PARKS, AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT FELT SAFE IN WEST JORDAN AS WELL. 
          THEY STILL WANT A REC CENTER ON THE WEST SIDE. THEY SURE DO. YEAH, WELL, WE'LL GET TO THAT A LITTLE. YEAH. OKAY. MOVING ON TO SOME MORE ECONOMIC FOCUSED METRICS, RESIDENTS FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT WEST JORDAN HAS THE KINDS OF RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS THAT THEY WANT, THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE NOW. NOW IT DOES NOW. YEAH. THAT'S BECAUSE TRADER JOE'S IS COMING AND THEY'RE VERY HAPPY. YEAH. 17% STILL WANT A COSTCO, APPARENTLY. RESIDENTS ARE ALSO VERY LIKELY TO FEEL THAT WEST PROVIDES THE SERVICES THAT THEY THINK IT SHOULD PROVIDE, AND THAT WEST JORDAN DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF MANAGING CITY SERVICES. AND DESPITE ALL THE GRUMBLING ABOUT GROWTH IN THE CITY, WE STILL HAVE 60% OF RESIDENTS WHO FEEL THAT WEST JORDAN IS GROWING IN A POSITIVE WAY. SO STILL, MOST PEOPLE ARE LIKELY TO FEEL THAT GROWTH IS POSITIVE. IS THAT EXACTLY HOW THE QUESTION WAS POSED? WAS THERE A POSITIVE WAY? AND IF. 
          AND THEN HERE WE ALSO HAVE A SLIGHTLY SMALLER GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN WEST JORDAN. FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME, THIS QUESTION IS A LITTLE TRICKIER BECAUSE PEOPLE OFTEN AREN'T LOOKING FOR JOBS OR HAVE ARE HAPPY WITH THEIR JOBS ELSEWHERE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE SEEING QUITE A LOT OF PEOPLE NEITHER AGREE NOR DISAGREE WITH THIS QUESTION. SO THESE ARE GOING OVER THOSE SAME ECONOMIC METRICS THAT WE SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE OVER TIME. AND SO SOME GREAT NEWS HERE THAT BASICALLY ALL OF THESE ECONOMIC METRICS ARE AT AN ALL TIME HIGH IN THE YEAR 2026, WITH MOST OF THEM HAVING AN UPWARDS TRAJECTORY OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, 67% REALLY WANTED A TRADER JOE'S. YEP. 63 TO THE 70. YEAH, EXACTLY. JUST WAIT TILL WE GET THAT COSTCO. WE'LL PROBABLY GET UP IN THE 80S 100% AND A SIT DOWN STEAKHOUSE. THAT WOULD BE EXACTLY. SO SOME VERY GOOD NEWS HERE. PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY FEELING LIKE WEST JORDAN IS DOING VERY WELL ECONOMICALLY, AND THAT THE CITY IS RESPONDING TO TO WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE SURVEY TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE NOW. YEAH, EXACTLY. OKAY. SO MOVING ON TO CITY SERVICES SPECIFICALLY, SOME VERY GOOD NEWS HERE. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT ALL OF THESE CITY SERVICES ARE ACROSS THAT 50% MARK. SO WE HAVE GENERALLY VERY HIGH LEVELS OF SATISFACTION WITH ALL CITY SERVICES IN WEST JORDAN. THE HIGHEST OF THESE SPECIFICALLY ARE THE FIRE AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, GARBAGE COLLECTION, DRINKING WATER, CITY PARKS AND OPEN SPACES, AND 
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POLICE POLICE SERVICES. ON THE LOWER END, WE DO HAVE THOSE PLANNING ZONING, BUILDING SERVICES AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. BUT I WILL NOTE THAT THE CEILING ON THESE IS ONLY SO HIGH BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS LIKELY TO RATE THESE HIGHLY, AS THEY AREN'T REALLY TOP OF MIND UNLESS THEY COME ACROSS AN ISSUE. YOU DON'T REALLY. YEAH, YOU DON'T RATE CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THE ONLY TIME YOU SEE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A BAD DAY, OR IF YOU'RE CALLING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORS. SO EITHER WAY, YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE TWO SERVICES ARE PRETTY CONSISTENTLY OUR SCAPEGOATS WHEN EVEN THE NEGATIVE ATTITUDES ARE ABOVE 50 ON THAT 0 TO 100 SCALE, WE'RE FEELING PRETTY GOOD. BUT SOME GOOD NEWS HERE ON THIS NEXT SLIDE. WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THAT FROM 2025 TO 2026, BASICALLY ALL SERVICES GET A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN TERMS OF THE RATING THAT WE'RE SEEING. THIS IS PARTICULARLY TRUE FOR THE SERVICE MAINTENANCE AND CITY STREETS AND ROADS, WHICH GETS AN EIGHT POINT BUMP. STREET LIGHTING AND SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE ALSO GET A PRETTY BIG BUMP COMPARED TO LAST YEAR WITH LIKE A VERY SMALL DIP IN TRAILS. SO THIS IS THIS IS A GREAT NEWS. WELL DONE FOR THE SIDEWALK CREW THAT WE GOT BUDGETED FOR. I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CITY STREETS, SINCE YOU POINTED THAT ONE OUT. THE LOCATION OF THE RESPONDENTS OF THIS SURVEY AND WHERE CITY STREET WORK WAS DONE OVER THE PAST YEAR TO SEE IF TO SEE IF THERE'S A CORRELATION THERE. 
          YEAH, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THERE. BECAUSE DO YOU THINK, THOUGH, THAT PART OF IT IS HAVING 90TH FINISHED, LIKE, I THINK THAT PART OF THAT COULD BE NAVIGATING MAJOR THOROUGHFARES THROUGH THE CITY AS A WHOLE, WHICH IS FUNNY AND HAVING A SLIGHTLY MORE POSITIVE EXPERIENCE THERE IS GOING TO AFFECT THINGS PRETTY BROADLY. 
          SO I THINK, YEAH, 90TH IS GOING TO BE A LINCHPIN. THERE IS A CITY STREETS, NOT STATE STREETS, BUT YOU KNOW. YEAH, WELL WE KNOW. NOBODY KNOWS, I UNDERSTAND. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT TRAILS DOWN 0.4. IS THAT WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR. IT IS. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT REALLY STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT IS IT. IT'S SIGNIFICANT IN THE SENSE THAT WE CAN SAY THAT THERE IS A DROP, BUT WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR IS SORT OF LIKE A BIGGER NUMBER IN THAT WE CAN SAY THAT THE ENTIRE POPULATION IS WITHIN THAT THREE PERCENTAGE POINT, HIGHER OR LOWER NUMBER THAN THE HERE THAN THE 65 IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT SCORES ON THAT 0 TO 100 SCALE AND NOT A PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION THAT OFFERED A SPECIFIC RATING. THE MARGIN OF ERROR DOESN'T DIRECTLY APPLY. SO THAT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S QUITE SMALL, IS A NOTABLE DIFFERENCE, IN PART BECAUSE TRAIL RATINGS HAVEN'T FLUCTUATED MUCH OVER THE YEARS, SO THAT IT IS A STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT SHIFT. VERY SLIGHT, AND DOESN'T REPRESENT A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION CHANGING THEIR ATTITUDES. CAN I JUST REPRESENT? THE SAMPLING OF THE POPULATION? CERTAINLY IT COULD. I THINK WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE YEAR, IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AGAIN, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST ONE YEAR CHANGE HERE, YOU CAN SEE RATINGS THERE ARE KIND OF VOLATILE FOR TRAILS ACTUALLY. SO. IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY WHAT EXACTLY THAT INDICATES. WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TRAIL MAINTENANCE OR ACCESSIBILITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THIS IS ONE WHERE I WOULD SAY WE WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT. CERTAINLY IF TRAIL RATINGS CONTINUE TO DECLINE, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO PAY ATTENTION TO. BUT WHERE IT IS LESS THAN ONE POINT ON THAT SCALE, I'M I'M NOT PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SHIFT. I'M NOT TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE DECLINE OF 0.4 I. I THINK WE NEED TO IMPROVE OUR TRAILS IN THE CITY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR ME TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT POINT FOUR. YEAH. AND AGAIN, WHERE IT'S NOT A CONSISTENT PATTERN OF DECLINE. THAT'S IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY. YEAH, I OVERALL, OUR SERVICE RATINGS HAVEN'T SHIFTED NEGATIVELY COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. AND EVEN LOOKING AT THE TRENDS ALL THE WAY OVER TIME. SO WHERE IT'S NOT A CLEAR PATTERN, BUT IT'S STILL MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF GRAIN OF SALT OR STATISTICAL NOISE, DESPITE BEING A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ALSO ASKED WHAT CITY SERVICES RESIDENTS 
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FELT THEY WERE MISSING FROM WICHITA. AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE RESIDENTS WROTE IN. 
          SO A FEW THINGS THAT RESIDENTS CALLED OUR ATTENTION TO WAS SOME MORE BULK TRASH PICKUP, SOME GLASS RECYCLING, A FEW MORE OFFERINGS THERE IN TERMS OF TRASH AND RECYCLING SERVICES. 
          WE DO OFFER GLASS RECYCLING. CLEARLY, OUR RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW WE DO, BUT WE DO. IT'S NOT A PICKUP THING. NO IT HASN'T. YEAH, THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT SOMEWHERE. RESIDENTS WERE ALSO ALSO MENTIONED SOME ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. DESPITE THE SUCCESS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN CITY SERVICES ELSEWHERE, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALWAYS TOP OF MIND FOR FOR RESIDENTS RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. AS WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, RESIDENTS WILL LOVE THAT REC CENTER ON THE WEST SIDE AS WELL AS SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS IS SORT OF LUMPED INTO PARKS AND OTHER TRAILS. AND THEN SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE IS, IS PEOPLE WERE SLIGHTLY CONCERNED ABOUT A FEW CRACKS AND SOME DEBRIS ON THE SIDEWALK AS WELL. IRONICALLY, THOUGH, YOUR SIDEWALKS WENT UP. SO, YOU KNOW, YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS THERE. YEAH. SO WE ALSO ASKED RESIDENTS TO RATE THEIR PRIORITIES IN TERMS OF CITY LANDSCAPING. SO THIS IS RATING 1 TO 6. SO LOWER NUMBERS ARE HIGHER PRIORITIES. NUMBER ONE WITH A BULLET IS WATER CONSERVATION. HARKENING BACK TO THIS IDEA THAT RESIDENTS ARE BECOMING MORE WATER CONSCIOUS, MORE AND MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITY'S USE OF WATER, THAT IS THE BIGGEST PRIORITY THAT RESIDENTS HAVE IN 2026. ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS MAKING SURE THAT POLLINATORS HAVE ACCESS. THE AIR QUALITY OF THE AREA IS ALSO SIMILARLY IMPORTANT, AS WELL AS SHADE AND COOLING. APPEARANCE IN CURB APPEAL, AND THE COST TO THE CITY ARE A LITTLE BIT LESS IMPORTANT FOR RESIDENTS WHEN CONSIDERING THOSE LANDSCAPING CHANGES. SORRY, CAN YOU GO BACK A SECOND? YOU HAVE THIS OVERTIME. THIS WAS A NEW QUESTION. SO THIS IS JUST IF YOU LIKE, WE CAN INCLUDE IT NEXT YEAR. AND WE CAN WE CAN TRACK IT. IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE AS DROUGHT BEGINS THAT EL NINO WE'RE GETTING SNOW THIS YEAR WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE. HAS WATER CONSERVATION COME UP A LOT? ABOUT EVERY 3 OR 4 YEARS? YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD THIS QUESTION SURVEY. SO ANOTHER NEW QUESTION HERE. WE ASKED RESIDENTS SPECIFICALLY WHAT TYPE OF LANDSCAPING THEY WOULD MOST PREFER IN THOSE CITY MAINTAINED PARK STRIPS, MEDIANS AND ROUNDABOUTS. PRETTY OVERWHELMINGLY, RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE A MIX OF TURF, GRASS AND ROCK, BUT LEANING MORE TOWARDS USING THAT DECORATIVE ROCK WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TURF GRASS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW DETRIMENTAL THAT IS TO OUR ENVIRONMENT. SURE. SO YEAH, SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING. AND THIS IS FAIRLY TRUE. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF OF NOISE ACROSS DISTRICTS HERE. BUT OVERALL PEOPLE PEOPLE WANT TO MIX. YEAH. AND THIS IS THIS IS A FALSE THIS IS A FALSE DICHOTOMY TO TURF GRASS AND ROCK, AS IF THOSE ARE THE CHOICES. AND WE AND THAT'S THE SPECTRUM. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER SPECTRUM. THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS. THAT'S A THREE DIMENSIONAL GRAPH, NOT A TWO DIMENSIONAL GRAPH. SURE. IT'S ACTUALLY A SIX DIMENSIONAL. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK I THINK MORE SO THAN ANYTHING, THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS TO SAY, HEY, PLEASE SAVE WATER. YEAH, I THINK IF YOU PUT ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WOOD CHIPS AND NATIVE PLANTS, THAT WOULD GET. YEAH, I HOPE SO. IT WOULDN'T LOOK THAT DIFFERENT FROM THIS. OR OR MAYBE IT WOULD. WATER WISE. ROCKS. YES. THE THE ROCKS. YOU HAVE THE WATER. WE DON'T LIKE THOSE. FOR THIS QUESTION, WE GAVE EACH RESIDENT A HYPOTHETICAL $100 THAT THEY COULD ALLOCATE TOWARDS A SPECIFIC ASPECTS OF WEST JORDAN'S BUDGET. I LOVE THIS QUESTION. THAT'S A FUN ONE. YEAH. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT RESIDENTS PUT THE OR THE SERVICE THAT RESIDENTS PUT THE MOST AMOUNT OF MONEY TOWARDS WAS THAT WATER WISE LANDSCAPING FOR CITY PROPERTIES SUCH AS PARKS, THE SECOND MOST AMOUNT OF MONEY WENT TO MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES FOR PARK AMENITIES, ADDITIONAL TRAILS TO EXPAND THE CITY'S NETWORK AND BEAUTIFICATION INVESTMENTS WERE ALSO FAIRLY HIGH. RESIDENTS GIVE A LOT LESS MONEY TO NEW PUBLIC ART INSTALLATIONS, AND ENHANCEMENTS TO THE RODEO GROUNDS. RODEO GROUNDS KIND OF SURPRISED ME THAT IT WAS SO LOW. YEAH. NO, NOT SAYING THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT, I WOULD THINK, THOUGH NOT VERY MANY. NOT FROM A SAMPLE SIZE OF 1100 PEOPLE. HOW MANY OF THEM GO TO THE RODEO? VERY FEW. I PROBABLY VERY FEW. I'D SAY MAYBE THREE. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT? JUST 
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BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK RODEO GROUNDS WILL FILL UP WITH WEST JORDAN RESIDENTS PER SE? NO, NOT NECESSARILY, BUT JUST HOW MANY JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES THE RODEO ARENA SIT? THREE, TWO, THREE, 5000 COLOR 5000. 5000 OUT OF A CITY OF 100 AND LET'S SAY 120. SO STATISTICALLY, YOU'RE 1100 PEOPLE HAD TEN PEOPLE, I SEE. SO THEN HOW MANY OF THEM SAT ON THE BLEACHER SEATS VERSUS. DID THEY GO WITH YOU? THEY WENT WITH ME. THEY SAT ON THE. SO AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION THAT WE ASKED THIS YEAR WAS WE ASKED A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION. IF THE CITY WERE TO IMPOSE A $2 PER MONTH INCREASE IN THE HOUSEHOLD WATER BILL TO SUPPORT WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS, WOULD THEY SUPPORT OR OPPOSE? RESIDENTS ARE VERY SPLIT ON THIS. WE HAVE SLIGHTLY MORE RESIDENTS WHO REPORT THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT THIS. IT'S ABOUT 45% ON THE SUPPORT SIDE, AND THEN WE HAVE ABOUT 41% ON THE OPPOSED SIDE. SO THIS IS A PRETTY CLOSE RACE IN TERMS OF OF THAT EXTRA $2 PER MONTH WITH A DECENT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE WITH THAT AREN'T REALLY SOLD ON EITHER SIDE. OUR FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THIS WAS, IF THERE WAS A $2 PER MONTH INCREASE, WOULD THEY RATHER THAT MONEY GO TOWARDS CITY INVESTMENTS OR WATER WISE DROUGHT TOLERANT LANDSCAPING AND PUBLIC AREAS, OR A REBATE OR INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE ENGAGING IN WATER CONSERVATION? 60% OF RESIDENTS PREFERRED THAT THAT MONEY WOULD BE SPENT ON THOSE WATER WISE LANDSCAPING EFFORTS RUN BY THE CITY, AS OPPOSED TO GETTING THAT MONEY BACK. I FOUND THAT VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ROCK PLAY SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL. 
          SO I THINK IN THE IN TERMS OF DOING WATER CONSERVATION, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WISE, BUT WATER CONSERVATION, WE WE HAVE DONE QUITE A BIT. SO IT KIND OF MAKES ME SAD THAT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE SEEING THAT RIGHT. IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AWARENESS THERE, BUT THEY END UP SEEING IS PARKS, YOU KNOW, WATERED AND DURING THE DAY AND THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT IT'S ON STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY SEE HERE, RIGHT? THEY REPORT ON. MOVING ON TO SOME LAWN FOR THEM TO PLAY ON. YEAH, THAT LAWNS PRETTY MESSED UP. EXACTLY. SO SO WE ASKED RESIDENTS HOW BOTH HOW THEY WOULD PREFER TO RECEIVE THEIR INFORMATION FROM THE CITY, AS WELL AS HOW THEY CURRENTLY RECEIVE INFORMATION FROM THE CITY. AND WE FOUND THAT THOSE TWO THINGS ARE MOSTLY THE SAME, RIGHT? WE OVERWHELMINGLY RESIDENTS PREFER TO RECEIVE THEIR EMAIL OR PREFER TO RECEIVE THEIR INFORMATION FROM CITY EMAILS, AND THAT IS HOW MOST RESIDENTS ARE GETTING THAT INFORMATION. SOCIAL MEDIA AND NOTICES AND OTHER ADVERTISING ARE ALSO FAIRLY POPULAR, AND RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE RECEIVING THOSE. THAT INFORMATION FROM THOSE SOURCES SEEMS TO ME WE NEED TO MAKE A NOTICE OF OTHER ADVERTISING OF HOW TO GET EMAILS FROM THE CITY. YEAH, AND MAYBE PUT IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE. AND MR. ANDERSON NEEDS TO DO A BETTER JOB OF GETTING PEOPLE ATTENDING OR WATCHING CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE THAT'S A DISMAL NUMBER. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE MADE THE SURVEY, THOUGH. JUST AGAIN, IT'S NOT DOMINATED. IT'S NOT ZERO. THAT ONE PERSON THAT WON ONE OUT OF A THOUSAND. SO THAT'S 100 PEOPLE. BUT YOU KNOW THAT ONE PERSON ACROSS THE CITY, THEY'RE NOT IN THE CITY. SO. SO WHICH ONE OF YOU. YEAH. WHICH ONE OF US GOT THE SURVEY RANDOMLY. SO WE ALSO ASKED HOW MANY RESIDENTS IN THE CITY HAVE CONTACTED THE CITY DIRECTLY TO RESOLVE ANY ISSUES. ASK ANY QUESTIONS. 38% OF RESIDENTS HAVE DONE SO IN THE LAST YEAR. BASICALLY THE SAME FROM LAST YEAR. THERE'S ONLY BEEN A 1% DECREASE FROM 2025 TO 2026. WHEN RESIDENTS DO CONTACT THE CITY, THEY'RE MOST LIKELY TO DO SO BY PHONE. RESIDENTS ARE ALSO RELATIVELY LIKELY TO USE THE CITY WEBSITE AND EMAIL, MUCH LESS LIKELY TO USE MESSAGES OVER SOCIAL MEDIA OR FINDING YOU ALL IN PERSON HERE AT THE OFFICE. THIS APPROACH YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AT CHURCH. IT MIGHT BE THE. OTHER. OUR OTHER. YEAH, I DO THE SURVEY. THAT'S ANECDOTAL. PROBABLY. YEAH. SO WHAT WE'D I'D LIKE TO CALL ATTENTION HERE IN 2026, WE HAVE 46% OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE VERY SATISFIED WITH THE CITY'S RESPONSE TO THEIR REACHING OUT. SO THIS IS ONLY ASKED TO RESIDENTS WHO DID CONTACT THE CITY IN THE LAST YEAR. DISSATISFACTION, I WANT TO POINT OUT, IS AT ITS LOWEST SINCE WE BEGAN DOING THE SURVEY. SO REALLY GREAT JOB THERE. THE 
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SURVEY? YEAH. YEP, YEP. FINALLY GOT US THE RIGHT SCORES. WE'LL BE YEAH. THE WORK HERE IS DONE. 
          YEAH. SO LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE METRICS OVER TIME. SO THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO CONTACTED THE CITY IN THE PAST YEAR SEEMS TO HAVE LEVELED OUT AROUND THAT 38% THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS YEAR. QUITE A FEW OR FEWER RESIDENTS CONTACTED BACK WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS SURVEY, AND THEN SATISFACTION WITH CITY EMPLOYEE INTERACTION SEEMS TO BE HOVERING ON AVERAGE AROUND THIS 46% THAT WE THAT WE EXPERIENCED THIS YEAR IS THAT QUESTION IS THAT SET FOR PEOPLE WHO REACHED OUT? YES. YEAH. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO GOT CONTACTED BY THE CITY IN THERE. YEAH. DOES EVERYBODY WHO REACHED. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON TO SOME CITY EVENTS. SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE RODEO AND INDEPENDENCE DAY EVENTS. WE ASKED RESIDENTS SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY WERE MOST INTERESTED IN ATTENDING, AS WELL AS GENERALLY WHAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING. SO THIS LIGHT BLUE BAR IS JUST OVERALL INTEREST. THEY COULD CLICK AS MANY BOXES AS THEY WANT OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN, IN EXPERIENCING OVER INDEPENDENCE DAY WEEKEND, THE FIREWORKS, FOOD TRUCKS AND DRONE SHOW GARNERED THE MOST OVERALL INTEREST. AND IN TERMS OF WHAT RESIDENTS WERE MOST EXCITED TO ATTEND, THIS WAS ONE WHERE THEY HAD TO SELECT ONLY ONE OF THE OPTIONS OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN. FIREWORKS AND DRONE SHOW AND THE RODEO WERE THE MOST GARNERED, THE MOST INTEREST. SO RODEO HAD A LITTLE BIT OVERALL INTEREST, BUT OF THOSE WHO WERE INTERESTED, HAD HAD A PRETTY LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE VERY EXCITED TO ATTEND THAT EVENT IN PARTICULAR. YEAH. SHOUT OUT TO. SPEND MONEY ON IT. 
          SOMEBODY WE ALSO ASKED THE QUESTION REGARDING WHICH FACTORS HAD THE GREATEST INFLUENCE ON RESIDENTS DECISIONS TO ATTEND COMMUNITY EVENTS. COST OF THE EVENTS WAS THE GREATEST FACTOR IN PEOPLE'S DECISION TO ATTEND THE CITY EVENTS, AVAILABILITY OF PARKING, THE CROWDS AT THE EVENTS AS WELL AS THE SCHEDULE. LIKE WHAT TIME OF DAY OR TIME OF WEEK DOES. THE EVENTS WERE WERE ALSO PRETTY BIG FACTORS, AND THEN THE SPECIFIC EVENTS OR PROGRAMING OF OF THAT DAY ALSO PLAYED A PRETTY BIG ROLE. THE AVAILABILITY OF THE FOOD AND LOCATION AND WEATHER CONDITIONS WERE A LITTLE BIT LESS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE REGARDING THEIR ATTENDANCE. IT'S PROBABLY THE COST BECAUSE IT'S MOST THINGS ARE FREE IN THE RODEO IS NOT EXPENSIVE. WELL, THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED TO GO BECAUSE FIREWORKS ARE FREE. SO INFLUENCE THEIR DECISION. YEAH. THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T SELECT. I DON'T KNOW, SHOPPING SPREE AT THE JORDAN LANDING. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ALSO ASKED WHAT TYPES OF COMMUNITY EVENTS RESIDENTS WOULD BE MOST INTERESTED IN SEEING MORE OF AND ATTENDING IN WEST JORDAN GENERALLY, NOT JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR INDEPENDENCE DAY EVENTS. FARMERS MARKETS WERE A BIG ONE. RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE SOME MORE PRODUCE AND VENDORS FOR THOSE FARMERS MARKETS SPECIFICALLY. RESIDENTS ARE ALSO PRETTY INTERESTED IN CONCERTS. SPECIFICALLY SOME FREE OUTDOOR CONCERTS SIMILAR TO THOSE IN OTHER CITIES. FOOD TRUCKS. I THINK BEING AVAILABLE MORE GENERALLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS SOMETHING THAT RESIDENTS WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE. AND CAR SHOWS. TAYLOR SWIFT COME ON. YEAH. AND WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SAY? WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SAY REGARDING THIS? SWIFT? WE DID NOT BRING TAYLOR SWIFT IN. WE BROUGHT A TRIBUTE. YEAH, EROS. THE SUMMER TOUR, I CAN SURE THERE'S A LOT TAYLOR SWIFT EXPERIENCE THAT SHE COULD. I THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY. YEAH. I'M GONNA HAVE TO WATCH TAYLOR'S VIDEO. AND THEN WE HAD A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS EXPRESS INTEREST IN CAR SHOWS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY. WAS REALLY BIG. REVOLVED AROUND AUTOMOTIVE. I THINK RACE, YOU KNOW, SOME DRAG RACING MAYBE OUT THE WAY FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER. I'VE HEARD THERE'S SOME STREETS OUT THAT WAY THAT ARE GOOD FOR THAT. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO INVITE THE PUBLIC, MAYBE NOT BRING THE F1 TO WATCH. STREETS ARE SO WELL PAID. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR YOU. SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR CONSIDERATIONS, FEEL FREE TO VOICE THEM. NOW WE FOUND THE DATA YOU SENT TO BE REALLY CLEAR AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND. SO THANKS FOR ORGANIZING IT SO WELL. HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THE MARGIN OF ERROR? MARGIN OF ERROR IS A CALCULATION BETWEEN THE SAMPLE SIZE. SO THE 1117 COMPARED TO 
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THE 84,000 OR SO ADULTS THAT WE HAVE HERE. PEOPLE MUCH SMARTER THAN ME HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET THAT TOGETHER. BUT THE IDEA BEING THE MORE THE HIGHER SAMPLE SIZE YOU HAVE, THAT'S CLOSER TO THE POPULATION SIZE, THE SMALLER THE MARGIN OF ERROR IS GOING TO BE. SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THE MARGIN OF ERROR HAS A MARGIN OF ERROR, AND THAT ONE HAS A MARGIN OF ERROR. 8000 PEOPLE TOOK THE SURVEY. THERE'S ALMOST NO MARGIN OF ERROR. BUT TWO PEOPLE TOOK IT A HUGE MARGIN OF ERROR. SO THERE'S A THERE'S A GRAPH. OUR GOAL IS ABOUT 1000 OR 3.2 OR BETTER 1000 RESPONDENTS, 3.2. SO GREAT PARTICIPATION THIS YEAR TO SHARE THOSE SLIDES. YES, DEFINITELY. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE ROOM WHO HAS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR KYRENE OR EVEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANKS VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME, FOLKS. ALWAYS A PLEASURE. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS. SEE YOU NEXT YEAR. NEXT ITEM OF DISCUSSION IS ITEM WE'RE GOING TO VACATE. SO CHIEF TAKE A SEAT. I'M JUST GOING TO GRAB MY BAG. IS ITEM TWO B 
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 Discussion of Highlands Landing North Development – Northeast corner of 5600 West and Highlands Loop Road.]
DISCUSSION OF HIGHLANDS LANDING NORTH DEVELOPMENT AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 5600 WEST AND HIGHLANDS LOOP ROAD. WE HAVE JEFF SEAMAN HERE WITH PETERSON DEVELOPMENT. AND HE'S RIGHT. YES, YES. ALRIGHTY. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. JEFF PETERSON. I'VE. WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THIS NECK OF THE WOODS, AND WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE MORE. SO 5000 607,800. EXCUSE ME. 5600 WEST 7800 SOUTH TRADER JOE'S. I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED A FEW TIMES. IT'S BEEN GOOD. IT'S BEEN A FUN PROJECT. WE'RE WE'RE GETTING TOWARDS THE FINAL STAGES ON THAT. THAT'S YOUR GOAL. COULD BE COULD BE ONE OF THEM. HAVE THEY RELEASED IT OPENING TIME? NO, THEY THEY PUSH HIM TO. I REALLY NEED TO KNOW FOR THE SOUTHERN ONES AT THE BUS STOP ANYMORE. YEAH. THEY'RE AS THEY'RE AN INTERESTING GROUP AND WE'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH THEM. BUT THERE'S, THEY'RE VERY SECRETIVE ON SOME THINGS AND THEY DON'T WANT TO COMMIT ON OTHERS. SO ALL RIGHT, THE OUTSIDE IS ALL DONE AND WE'VE TURNED IT OVER TO THEM AND THEY'RE WORKING ON THE INSIDE. SO IT'S A VERY POPULAR BRAND. ANOTHER JOB THAT I HAVE, WE GET A LOT OF CHINESE TOURISTS WEEKLY. IT ALWAYS SURPRISES ME HOW MANY OF THOSE WOMEN HAVE THEIR LITTLE TRADER JOE BAG. YEAH. IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS. WE'VE HAD SOME VISITORS FROM ENGLAND AND AT OUR HOUSE, AND WE'VE SEARCHED HIGH AND LOW ALONG THE WASATCH FRONT TO TRY AND GET THOSE BAGS, BECAUSE THEY'RE HUGE OVER IN ENGLAND. THEY'RE ALSO AS SOON AS THEY COME IN. YEAH, I THINK I'M TAKING MINE. WHEN I GO NEXT TIME AND SELL IT, DO IT, DO IT. 
          THERE'S A MARKET FOR IT. ANYWAYS, I'D JUST LIKE TO PUBLICLY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THEM TO OUR CITY. OH YOU'RE WELCOME. I MEAN, WE ALL. JEFF. IT WAS ALL ME. YEAH, I'LL TAKE ALL THE CREDIT. AND LIKE GEORGE COSTANZA, I'LL LEAVE ON A HIGH NOTE. NO. AND THANK YOU FOR THE CITY. THE CITY STEPPED UP BIG TIME TO TO HELP GET THEM HERE TOO. SO RESIDENTS REALLY WANT IT. YEP, YEP. AND SO IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF STUFF GOING ON AND WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE THAT. WE BROUGHT THIS THIS PROJECT TO THE COMMITTEE. THE WHOLE GOSH, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW LONG AGO, MAYBE SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 20 LATE, 25, SIX, SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO. OKAY. BUT A COUPLE THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN AND WE'LL GO OVER THAT. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS THE THESE THREE PARCELS RIGHT THERE ADD UP TO BE 13.43 ACRES. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO PUSH THE COMMERCIAL WHERE IT BELONGS, ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF 5600 WEST AND PUT RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEHIND IT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MEDIUM DENSITY PRODUCT, SIX HOMES TO THE ACRE, 5000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. 
          THESE HOMES WILL BE MULTI-LEVEL COMPLETED. THEY'LL BE ABOUT 2000 2200FT■!S IN SIZE, WITH AN UNFINISHED BASEMENT THAT CAN 2200FT■!S, PLUS AN UNFINISHED BASEMENT. YEAH. SO SO YOU'RE LOOKING 2800FT■!S, PROBABLY TOTL ONCE ONCE THAT GETS BUILT OUT. SO. THE CURRENT LAND USE MAP SHOWS A VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PARKS AND OPEN LAND AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. SO 
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YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE CURRENT LAND USE THE UDALLS REZONE. THIS WITHIN THE LAST THREE YEARS AS COMMERCIAL. AND SO WHAT WE THIS AREA HERE IN THE BACK TO THE EAST, NO COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO WANT TO GO IN THERE. THEY WANT FRONTAGE. THEY WANT THEY WANT TO BE VISIBLE. 56 THEY WANT TO BE. 56 SO YEAH, THE ROUNDABOUT RIGHT HERE. SO. AND THEN PARKS AND PUBLIC OPEN LAND. IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS MAP WAS DONE PRIOR TO THIS, THIS AREA BEING A PARK. 
          SO IT'S THE DETENTION POND. THERE'S A PARK AND THEN A TOT LOT BY THE NIELSEN'S CUSTARD, WHICH IS GREAT CUSTARD. AND YOU SHOULD ALL GO GET SOME AFTER THIS MEETING AFTER YOUR SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT SOME WITH YOU. I KNOW, I KNOW. SO CURRENT ZONE RESIDENTIAL WITH THE PROPOSED REZONE IS THE R THREE EIGHT. SO EIGHT OR FEWER UNITS PER ACRE. WE'RE GOING COMING IN AT SIX. 
          SO. THIS IS WHAT EXISTING ZONING VERSUS PROPOSED ZONING. AND THIS IS WHAT THE. THIS IS NOT THE PRODUCT. WELL IT'S THE THIS IS THE PREVIOUS. THIS. ONE 6 OR 8 MONTHS. AND YOU BOUGHT THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. WHO BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY, YEAH, WE BROUGHT THIS ONE IN AND ACTUALLY WE CHANGED THIS WHEN WE PRESENTED SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT WORKED BETTER. 
          BUT THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. SO THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT. OF COURSE, IT DOESN'T HAVE LIKE ALL THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE ENGINEERING WILL, WILL COME ABOUT BECAUSE I MEAN, LIKE, IF YOU TAKE THIS ROAD COULD BE HAS DEFINITE NEED FOR TRAFFIC CALMING ALONG THIS ROAD. I MEAN, THEY ALL DO. AND THEY'LL GET IT THROUGH THROUGH THE ENGINEERING AND APPROVAL PROCESS. BUT THIS IS JUST A BASIC CONCEPT. WE HAVE TWO COMMERCIAL PADS OUT HERE. ACCESS COMING IN OFF 5600 WEST. AND THE TRAFFIC DOESN'T SHOW IT, BUT MOST LIKELY THEY'LL BE. WELL, THEY'LL BE THEY'LL HAVE TO BE IN ACCESS HERE. MOST LIKELY IT'LL BE AT THIS PLACE. SO SO THERE WILL BE AN ACCESS TO COMMERCIAL OFF THERE. CORRECT. AND THEN ONE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP IS, OF COURSE, CODE REQUIRES THAT WE. 
          PROVIDE MASONRY FENCING BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT USES BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. SO THERE'LL BE MASONRY FENCING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE OUTSIDE. AND YEAH, SO DEFINITELY, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE. QUESTION. YOU GOT THE 22 FOOT FINISH YOUR FINISH YOUR SPIEL. YES. 22 FOOT DRIVEWAYS, ALL PUBLIC ROADS, SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES. WE'D MOST LIKELY THROW IN A TOT LOT HERE IN THE DETENTION POND, JUST TO KIND OF HAVE THAT THERE WILL BE AN HOA. BUT THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WE DO HAVE A COMMENT. I JUST THINK TOT LOTS ARE KIND OF WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT IN, OKAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT IN. SHE DOESN'T GO ON THEM ANYMORE. THEY'RE JUST YEAH, THEY JUST, THEY JUST SERVICE SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT OF THE COMMUNITY FOR SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. I THINK WE NEED TO THINK OF SOMETHING THAT CAN SERVE US A LITTLE LONGER. THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THAT IS THE DETENTION POND. SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF BALANCE OUT LIKE THE ACTUAL PURPOSE AND THEN THE AMENITY. BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A MINOR ISSUE. AND IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, WE CAN, BUT WE'D BE OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS. I'VE SAVED DATE. 
          IN MY MIND FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. YOU WILL BE. AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE BORED OF THAT TOT LOT. TRUST ME. WHY ARE YOU DENYING HER THE FOUR YEARS? DON'T TAKE MY TOT LOT. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. THE GOOD THING IS YOU WANT TO LIVE HERE. YEAH. I'M CONCERNED. 
          I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NORTH SIDE OF YOUR PROJECT. IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD INCREASE THOSE LOT SIZES UP THERE AND HAVE A FEW LESS HOMES? BECAUSE YOU'RE LACKING A LOT OF WATER ANYWAY, ER, FOR THIS AREA, YOU'RE PUTTING IN WAY MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THERE. 
          YEAH. AND. IF SOMEONE'S BUYING A BIGGER LOT IN MY MIND, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE TOLERABLE. IF YOU'VE DONE ACTUAL MEETS THAN PEOPLE BUYING SMALLER LOTS. YEAH. AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT UTAH NATURAL NEEDS. AND I DON'T WANT THEM FORCED OUT OF MY CITY. 
          YEAH. BECAUSE I DON'T TRUST COMMERCIAL FOOD. DOES THAT WORK? YEAH. SO UTAH, UTAH NATURAL MEATS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT DIRECTLY. SO YEAH, WITH THAT, ISN'T THAT THE SMELL THEN? 
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DO YOU WANT PEOPLE PAYING PREMIUM PRICES UP THERE WHERE THERE'S SMELLS BIGGER, LOTS SMALLER OR WORSE SMELLS. AND THEN IT INCREASES THE COST OF THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO LIKE, GRANTED, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE YEARS OUT, SO IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT KIND OF A PRICE RANGE WHAT WE WANT. OH, AND DON'T EVEN GO PRICE RANGE BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE ALWAYS WAY OFF. WELL, AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE PROJECTING IN THE FUTURE. IDEALLY, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS WE'D LIKE TO SEE THESE COME IN ABOUT 550 AS A STARTING AND GO UP FROM THERE. I'D LIKE THEM TO COME IN AT 300. AS LONG AS WE'RE THROWING OUT RANDOM NUMBERS, WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO SUBSIDIZE US SO WE COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WELL, I'M A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND SHORT, YOU AND ME, BOTH THESE THINGS COST MONEY. AND SO. AND WE REALIZED THAT THIS IS THIS IS A NUT. IT'S WAY UP. SO WHAT? WHAT? YEAH. FROM ONE ACRE. REALLY? REALISTICALLY, NO ONE'S BUYING ONE ACRE LOTS THESE DAYS. WELL, IN IN THIS AREA, I CAN'T SEE SOMEONE LOOKING AT BUYING THEIR QUOTE UNQUOTE DREAM HOME AND BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THE RESIDENTIAL. YOU BUY THAT BIG HOME AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL. SO YOU CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LIVE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS THING. I THINK SOMEONE LIVING NEXT TO SOMEONE LIVING NEXT, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET FROM NELSON'S FROZEN YOGURT. THERE'S A SMITH'S THERE ON THE OTHER CORNER. THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS YEAR. THAT'S NOT. YEAH. I WHEN I SAY DREAM HOME, I MEAN THE KIND WHERE PEOPLE MOVE AWAY FROM THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE OF SOMETHING, RIGHT? BUT WE'RE ADDING A LOT OF DENSITY NEAR PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT THEIR DREAM HOMES. SO I, I NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL. YEAH. PEOPLE TO THE EAST BOUGHT THEIR DREAM HOMES THAT ARE, I DON'T KNOW, THREE QUARTER ACRE. SOME OF THEM ARE ACRES. SOME OF THEM ARE HALF ACRES. THEY'RE DIFFERENT DENSITY DENSE, DIFFERENT LOT SIZES. BUT THEY BOUGHT THEIR DREAM HOMES THERE. 
          AND WE'VE ALREADY ENTITLED TOWNHOMES SOUTH OF THERE. HOW DO THESE HOMES AFFECT HOW DO THESE HOMES AFFECT PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE EAST? BECAUSE THOSE ACROSS 56 THE EAST IS OVER HERE. 
          THIS THIS ROAD TO THE EAST, THOSE PEOPLE WILL NEVER GO AND THEY DON'T PEOPLE WILL NEVER GO TO THIS. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THOSE HOMES BACK UP, THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ALL FLOW OUT THE OTHER DIRECTION. THERE'S REALLY WON'T AFFECT THEM. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF INTERACTION OTHER THAN LOOKING OUT THEIR BACK WINDOW AND SEEING TWO HOUSES INSTEAD OF ONE. OKAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE UP THE PRIVATE LANE THAT HAVE ACRES AND FIVE ACRES? AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOW SHARING WHAT USED TO BE THEIR PRIVATE LANE. IT WILL HAVE AN EFFECT. WELL, AGAIN, ONLY FROM HERE TO THE SOUTH THOUGH, BECAUSE TO THE NORTH IT'S STILL A PRIVATELY. SO FROM HERE TO THE SOUTH, IT'S ALREADY PUBLIC. 
          IT'S. YEAH, BUT DENSITY ISN'T AS HIGH AS WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE. SO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WATER. I WANT TO I WANT TO ADDRESS ALL OF YOUR OBJECTIONS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THEM. I KNOW WE DISAGREE ON DENSITY AND IT'S OKAY. WE CAN STILL BE KIND OF FRIENDS. CAREFUL. SO IDEALLY ON THE NORTH SIDE, YOU'D WANT TO SEE THOSE LOTS SMALLER. IF NO, IF THEY HAD LARGER LOTS, THAT PUTS THE HOUSE FARTHER AWAY FROM OH, FROM THE FARM. WAY FARTHER FROM THE FARM. YEAH. 
          PUT THEM FARTHER IN THE CASE. OR YOU CAN JUST GIVE THEM SHORTER DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY MAKE THOSE. WELL, MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I IMAGINE MAKING THOSE LOTS LARGER WOULD MAKE THEM. WE'D BE MAKING THEM WIDER, NOT DEEPER. YOU CAN DO IT. HOW? RIGHT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIKE A FARM IN THEIR BACKYARD, BECAUSE THEY'RE CHOOSING THAT LOT, NOT US, AND THEY KNOW IT'S THERE. I LOVE THE PLACE. AND THEN THEY COMPLAIN JUST LIKE EVERYBODY. BUT THEY BOUGHT THE FARM WAS THERE, BUT THEY BOUGHT IT AND THEY KNOW IT'S THERE. I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN VERY VALUABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH I FEEL THE UTAH NATURAL MEATS HAS BE PUSHED OUT BECAUSE WE OVER. OVERPOPULATE THE AREA. AND SEE, I DON'T THINK HAVING ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, 5000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS VERSUS 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS ON THAT NORTH EDGE IS NOT GOING. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, BUT I DO, AND THAT'S OKAY. BUT IT EITHER DOES OR IT DOESN'T. 
          IT'S NOT A MATTER OF OPINION. IT WILL EITHER MAKE A DIFFERENCE OR IT WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT DEPENDS ON THE PERSON TO THE FAR DISTANCE MAKES A DIFFERENCE. GOOD WALLS AND DISTANCE MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS. I JUST HAD INTERACTIONS WITH THE FARM AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IN THIS AREA. THIS IS NOT YOUR FIRST RODEO, CORRECT? GOSH, I STARTED AT PETERSON DEVELOPMENT ABOUT 8 OR 9 YEARS AGO, AND THERE'S A PROPERTY TO THE NORTH 
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AND TO THE EAST OF THIS PROPERTY. I THINK ANDERSON HAS COME IN AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, OR AT LEAST THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEY'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH. WE PROPOSED A PROJECT THAT WOULD BE ON THIRD ACRE LOTS AT THAT TIME, AND THE NEIGHBORS CAME OUT AND SAID, HELL NO! AND THEY FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL. WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET THE SAME THING HERE. I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THAT'S TALKING THIRD ACRE LOTS AND REALLY KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE TO I MEAN, WHAT I GUESS I'D ASK YOU TO, TO CONSIDER IS A PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS TO DEVELOP VERSUS A NEIGHBOR WHO DOESN'T WANT THAT PROPERTY. SO I THINK I THINK BOTH HAVE RIGHTS AND BOTH HAVE MERITS. SO I'M PRETTY SURE THE FARM DOESN'T WANT ANY OF THIS AND WANTS TO JUST KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. YEAH. AND WE HAVE A GENERAL PLAN AND WE HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. AND WE JUST ALWAYS CHANGE IT. AND WE KNOW THOSE THINGS CHANGE. 
          YEAH. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BALANCE PRIVATE PROPERTY. YOU DO. THIS IS, I THINK, A PRETTY GOOD. AND I MEAN, THERE'S LITTLE THINGS THAT I WOULD TWEAK IF IT WAS MY PROJECT, BUT IT'S NOT. THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD BUFFER BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL, YOU'VE GOT HIGH DENSITY, YOU'VE GOT LOTS OF COMMERCIAL AND YOU'VE GOT LOW DENSITY, VERY LOW DENSITY IN SOME CASES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE FARM, WHICH IS THIS IS A KIND OF IF YOU PUT HYPOTHETICALLY, BECAUSE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS OVER HERE ARE GOING TO SAY, YOU SHOULD DO THIS, BUT HALF ACRE, ONE ACRE LOTS HERE, WHETHER SOMEBODY BUYS THEM OR NOT, IF YOU PUT THEM THERE, THEN YOU GOT HALF ACRE, ONE ACRE LOTS. NOW UP AGAINST WHAT, 5600 WEST, RIGHT. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. OR UP AGAINST CULVER'S OR, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER'S GOING TO GO IN HERE, CULVER'S LIKE BUSINESSES, RIGHT? THAT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. YOU'RE GOING TO WANT YOU WANT A TRANSITION, YOU WANT YOUR COMMERCIAL, YOUR DENSITY, YOUR LOW DENSITY. THAT'S HOW IT THAT'S HOW IT MAKES SENSE. YOU WANT HEAVY COMMERCIAL, BUSY STREET, VERY LOW DENSITY. THAT'S THAT WAS THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH OUR THOUGHT PROCESS. IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE OTHER CHALLENGES. AND I, AND I WOULD SAY FARM VERY LOW DENSITY ALSO MAKES LESS SENSE UNLESS THOSE ARE RURAL RESIDENTIAL. AND I I'M SORRY, IT'S REALLY HARD TO CALL ANY OF US RURAL ANYMORE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE WERE ONCE. AND THAT DISPARITY BETWEEN THOSE THAT ARE NEWER AND THOSE THAT AREN'T. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S WHERE THAT DISPARITY. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET EXTRA WATER? WE'LL HAVE TO ACQUIRE IT. ZACH. ZACH'S HELPING. YEAH, BUT THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH. HERE'S MY PROBLEM, JEFF. THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH WATER IN THIS STATE, RIGHT? AND IT CONCERNS ME THAT EVERY TIME WE INCREASE HOW MUCH WATER WE'RE GIVING TO A PROPERTY OWNER, WHAT THAT DOES LONG TERM FOR THE STATE, AND SELFISHLY FOR ME AND MY KIDS. SO, SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO BE FORCED OUT BECAUSE DEVELOPERS CAME IN OVER DENSIFIED. THAT'S NOT A WORD. BUT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE WATER BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY DEVELOPER. RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, LIKE EVERY HOUSE THAT WE'VE BUILT LIKES TO HAVE FLUSHING TOILETS AND RUNNING WATER. AND SO THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE, DON'T SELL. YEAH. 
          THEY DON'T. SO REALLY, I MEAN, WE WORK WITH, WITH YOUR STAFF, WITH THE ENGINEERING, WE WORK TO, WITH THE, I KNOW YOU HAVE WATER WISE LANDSCAPING BECAUSE CODE REQUIRES THAT. YEAH, AMONG OTHER THINGS. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IN, IN EVERYTHING DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S CHALLENGES AND WATER IS A CHALLENGE. AND THAT'S JUST THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF IT. REALLY HARD PART WITH WATER. 
          IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE FINDING THE WATER, IT'S JUST THAT IN THE SELLING OF THE WATER, THE PRICE OF THE WATER GOES UP EVERY TIME. AND AFTER A WHILE, THAT'S WHAT DRIVES THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE UP. IT'S HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO SPEND TO GET THAT. THAT'S KIND OF THE GREATER CONCERN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO HAVE. AND I THINK LIKE THE LAST THING I ADD TO THIS IS WE WANT THIS TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED. SO WE'RE WILLING TO RESTRICT THESE HOMES TO, TO THAT. SO WE FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THAT IN THE NBA. YEAH. THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? LIKE IDEALLY, LIKE THE BLACKROCKS OF THE WORLD, THE BIG HEDGE FUNDS WHO COME IN AND BUY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO RENT, THEY LIKE TO BUY AN ENTIRE SUBDIVISION. 
          AND BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT SCALE FOR THEM, THEY CAN MANAGE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES AT ONE LOCATION, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SO, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING WITH 
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THAT IS I DON'T KNOW IF LIKE THE, THE, THE DURATION OF THE DEED RESTRICTION IS THAT IMPORTANT. WE PROBABLY SAY LIKE A FIVE YEAR, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT TO GO MORE THAN THAT JUST BECAUSE ANECDOTALLY, I THINK LIKE IT OPENS UP. YEAH, YEAH. SO ANYWAYS, BUT LIKE THAT PREVENTS THE BLACKROCKS OF THE WORLD FROM COMING IN AND GIVE ME AN IDEA WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE WATER AND YOU PUT THAT IN AN MBA AND YOU MIGHT EXPLAIN ME. OKAY, THE DEED RESTRICTION. YES, YES, YES. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE MASONRY. WELL, WILL YOU JUST POINT ON THE FINGER EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE PLANNING TO PUT THAT. SO OF COURSE, ALL AROUND THE COMMERCIAL. AND THEN IT WOULD COME ALL THE WAY UP, ALL THE WAY ALONG THE THE FARM, ALL THE WAY SIX FEET TALL, SIX FEET TALL, ALL DOWN 6490. THERE'D BE A GAP HERE. SO YOU COULD ENTER THE SUBDIVISION. OKAY, THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. I THOUGHT YOU'D LIKE THAT. THAT'S A LITTLE PROGRESSIVE THINKING. YEAH. THAT'S THINKING. HEY, ALL ALONG THE OUTSIDE, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WORKING WITH THE FARM AND MAYBE SEEING, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GIVING UP SPACE, BUT MAYBE THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH YOU TO DO SOME TREES ALONG WITH THAT WALL IS THAT WAY IT'D BE ON THEIR LAND AND YOU PUT THE TREES ON THEIR LAND, BUT THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A BUFFER AS WELL BETWEEN THEM AND THE HOUSE. SO THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE'RE HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO SHANE. SHANE BUTLER YEP. SO ONE LAST QUESTION. YEAH. THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA IS 5490 WEST. YEAH. HOW MUCH OF OF THIS IS ALREADY DEDICATED TO THE CITY. AND HOW MUCH WILL THIS FORCE DEDICATION. SO GOING BACK TO THIS MAP, OKAY, SO HISTORICALLY ALL OF THESE WERE FIVE ACRE PARCELS AND GOING FROM 5600 WEST DOWN TO THE MIDDLE. THESE OWNERS WOULD OWN HALF OF THE EAST OR WEST, HALF OF 54. SO WHEN RANDY TIM, IS THAT HIS NAME? WHO WORKED FOR THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME. YEAH, HE OWNED, I THINK, ONE OF THESE HOUSES RIGHT IN HERE. HE DEVELOPED THESE TWO THESE TWO SUBDIVISIONS OR HAD A DEVELOPER. ANYWAYS, WHEN THESE TWO SUBDIVISIONS GOT DEDICATED, HALF OF THAT HALF OF 54, 90 GOT DEDICATED TO CITY. SO UP TO THIS POINT, THE CITY OWNS HALF OR HALF OF 5490, THE EAST HALF UP TO THIS PROPERTY. THIS IS THE BARBER PROPERTY THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND SO OF COURSE, WHEN WE DEVELOP OUR SITE, THE WEST HALF OF 5490 WOULD BE DEDICATED JUST UP TO THE CORNER OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, UP TO UP TO WHAT WE DO, UP TO WHAT WE. 
          OH, YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S GOING TO BE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THIS. IF IT HASN'T BEEN ALREADY. AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING SITUATION. Y'ALL GET Y'ALL GET TO DEAL WITH IT. CORBYN WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. JUST JOKING. BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE MAINTAIN THE EAST SIDE OF THAT STREET? YES. WELL, THERE'S NO THERE'S NO CURB AND GUTTER, RIGHT. NO, NO, THERE IS NO EAST SIDE. THERE IS, THERE IS THERE IS CURB AND GUTTER ON THE EAST, ON THE EAST. AND THERE WILL BE ON THE WEST TO ONCE THERE'S A SIDEWALK. SO I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING TO THE COUNCIL JUST FOR THEIR FEEDBACK. SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DISCUSSION COMING UP WITH ANDERSON DEVELOPMENTS ON THE PROPERTY. AND SO AND THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA HAVE BEEN PRETTY VOCAL ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THEM TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE. ANY FEEDBACK ABOUT THIS BEFORE? YOU'RE RIGHT, I AM GOING TO HATE YOU. YEAH, I'M JUST JOKING. THAT'S OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BE A CONSTANT OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE AROUND THERE. BUT IF IF COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL THAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS DIFFERENT, I'M I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO. ARE YOU SEEING YOU WANT TO DO A TOWN HALL WITH THOSE RESIDENTS? NO, THEY'RE COMING UP ON ME, RIGHT? AM I THE BARBERS COMING UP? THE BARBER PROJECT'S COMING BACK TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ON THE 28TH IN TWO WEEKS. 
          RIGHT. SO. AND AS WE KNOW, THEY MADE CHANGES. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. YEAH. SO I JUST WANTED YOUR FEEDBACK. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT. SO HOW DOES THE BARBER AFFECT THIS ONE? BECAUSE RESIDENTS RESIDENCES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 5490 WEST. AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T FEEL IT'S A BIG DEAL, I'M I'M GOOD WITH THAT. EITHER WAY, I GUESS I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT SO WHAT DO YOU I DON'T WELL, I MEAN, WHAT I'M ASKING AND SINCE I'M STILL NEW AND LEARNING, I WOULD HE NEEDS. WOULD THEY BECAUSE I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU 
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HAVE. I JUST WANT TO TALK TO THOSE RESIDENTS. IF WE IF YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          YES. THIS THIS PARCEL IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THAT PARCEL. YEAH. DO YOU REMEMBER SOME OF THIS? I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST. YEAH. I MEAN IT'S. I MEAN IT'S. IT'S IT'S A MORE CONTENTIOUS RELATIONSHIP. NO. AND I GET THAT PROPERTY OWNERS, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, I ALSO THAT KIND OF BROUGHT IT TO MY MIND AGAIN, I'M FINE WITH THE PLAN. SO IF WE WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD, I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. AND I GUESS I'LL DOUBLE CHECK WITH RAY KIND OF WHAT WHAT ARE WE'D LIKE TO TO MOVE ON THIS SOONER THAN LATER. 
          OKAY. AND SO OUR NEXT STEPS WOULD BE DOING SITE PLAN AND. YOU SAID YOU WOULD. YEAH, I'LL TALK TO HER. YEAH, I'LL TALK TO SHANE AND SUBMIT THE REZONE AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO I MEAN, I KIND OF THINK THAT THEY'RE KIND OF INDEPENDENT AND THAT'S FINE. BUT, BUT IF THEY, IF THEY WANT TO REACH OUT AND TALK TO US, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY. WE COULD, WE COULD TALK TO SHANE. OKAY, I WOULD SHARE, I WOULD SEE IF YOU HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION THOUGH. YEAH. AND IT'S KIND OF FOR RAY, BUT IF YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS. RIGHT. WHY AN R-3 ZONE AND NOT AN R1 FIVE? WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I THINK PART THREE EIGHT JUST ALLOWS FOR THIS ONE, BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF THESE LOTS ARE RIGHT AROUND 45,000FT■, SO MAYBE LESS. YEAH, THEY'RE LESS THAN THAT. SO THAT WOULDN'T WORK ON AN R1 FIVE. IS THERE AN R1 FOUR. THERE'S NOT AN R1 FOUR. THE THE REASON WHY I ASK IS BECAUSE EUCLIDEAN ZONE, R3 ZONE, OR R1 ZONE DOESN'T REQUIRE A BINDING CONCEPT PLAN, RIGHT? SO IF WE REZONE THIS R3, IT'S NOW ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY. AND THIS PROJECT SOMEHOW EVAPORATES. I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULD. SOMEHOW THIS PROJECT EVAPORATES AND THIS PROJECT COMES IN AND IT'S ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY, AND NOW THEY DON'T NEED REZONE. YOU CAUGHT ME. 
          YEAH, I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT, YES. YOU ENOUGH. THAT THAT'S THAT'S I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S YOUR PLAN. 
          I'M NOT, I'M JUST SAYING IF FOR SOME REASON WE REZONE GOES THROUGH, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT, WHATEVER IT COULD BE, AND IT DOESN'T PENCIL ANYMORE, IT GOES AWAY. AND IN FIVE YEARS, LIKE THE ANDERSON PROPERTY ON THE BARBER PROPERTY, RIGHT, ANDERSON. IT COMES BACK AND NOW YOU'VE GOT A MULTIFAMILY ZONE IN PLACE AND IT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          AND IT'S ENTITLED THAT IF WE HAVE AN MTA THAT LOCKS IT IN WITH THAT, WOULDN'T THAT LOCK THEM IN? AND THEN IF THEY DON'T BUILD IN X AMOUNT OF YEARS, IT GOES BACK TO THE EXISTING ZONE, RIGHT? AS A RESPONSE TO THAT. YEAH. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IN TALKING TO MEMBERS OF YOUR TEAM, YOU'RE VOLUNTARILY ASKING FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SOUNDS LIKE IN YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY, YOU MENTIONED YOU WANTED TO SHOW WHERE YOU'RE GETTING WATER FROM. AND THEN ALSO THE SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES, RESTRICTIONS, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING COULD BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, PERFECT TOOL FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT THEN ALSO DENSITY. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WILLING TO COMMIT TO A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 67 OF THESE UNITS, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE WILLING TO COMMIT TO THE TYPES OF UNITS AND THAT THEY'RE NOT MULTIFAMILY AND SO FORTH. 
          AND ALL OF THAT COULD BE PUT IN. AND IF THAT'S ALL PUT IN, THAT'S ALL THAT CAN BE BUILT UP TO THOSE MAXIMUMS AND WHAT THOSE POINTS UNDER THAT DEVELOPMENT, THEN THERE'S VERY LITTLE, THERE'S PLENTY OF REASSURANCES AND NO RISK. SO THE QUESTION IS, DOES DOES THE ZONING SURVIVE AN EXPIRED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR DOES THE ZONING REVERT? THERE WOULD BE A REVERSION CLAUSE IN THERE THAT IF THEY DON'T BUILD THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN DEVELOPMENT. 
          YEAH. WELL. WELL IN THE YOU CAN PUT IT RIGHT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS WELL THAT APPROVES THE REZONE AS WELL AS THE MTA THAT IT'S ALL CONSTRUCTED ACCORDING TO A CERTAIN TIME. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. YEAH. OKAY. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN. BUT YEAH, NO, THERE'S PLENTY OF WAYS TO SKIN THE CAT. AND WE'RE AS LONG AS OUR PROJECT PENCILS AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I LOVE A GOOD SKINLESS CAT. SO WHEN DO YOU PLAN ON IF, IF, IF THIS PASSES, WHEN DO YOU PLAN ON STARTING CONSTRUCTING THIS LET'S SEE. LET'S JUST SAY, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THIS LIKE IF WE GO THROUGH THE REZONE. I MEAN, I THINK ULTIMATELY, JEFF, WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT SOMETHING 
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IN THERE THAT SAYS WITHIN X AMOUNT OF YEARS, YOU WILL START THIS. BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS I'VE GOT CURRENTLY IS WE KEEP HAVING DEVELOPERS COME. YOU DIDN'T USE IT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT THEY ALL WANT TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR US. YEAH, EXACTLY. EXACTLY. AND BUT THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IT. AND I MIGHT NOT NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN UTAH IN TEN YEARS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY NEWS IS RATING US NUMBER SIX WORST PLACE TO LIVE. SO MAYBE NOT MANY PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE HERE ANYMORE. WELL, YOU GOT TO LOOK AT YOUR OWN DATA THAT YOU JUST GOT TRUE. BUT REAL, REAL QUICK. ARE YOU GOING TO DO COMMERCIAL FIRST? THE COMMERCIAL IS KIND OF LIKE WE, WE WOULD EITHER SELL TO SOMEONE WHO HAS A USE OR WE WOULD BRING IN THE USE OURSELVES. SO WE WOULDN'T CONSTRUCT IT WITHOUT A USE FIRST. JUST GOING TO GET US A SIT DOWN STEAKHOUSE THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE PLACE TO SIT DOWN. I GOT SOME OTHER IDEAS, BUT THAT'LL BE ANOTHER DAY. TYPICALLY THE HOMES GO FIRST. SO YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'M. YEAH, FIRST. AND CORBIN HAS A COUNCIL. I FEEL AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF ONE OTHER THING. WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE OVERVIEW LIKE YOUR VERY FIRST. AM I GOING TO LIKE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW. OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN SHOWS THE HIGHLANDS LOOP ROAD CONNECTING THROUGH EVENTUALLY BRIDAL VISTA OR VISTA COURT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 4600 SOUTH OR 4600 WEST. TELL THEM THIS PARCEL IS ALREADY OWNED BY THE CITY. SO THIS IS NOT A SITE PLAN ISSUE. THIS SHOULDN'T AFFECT THE ZONING. BUT AT SOME DAY, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, IT'S OUR INTENTION THAT THIS ROAD CONNECT THROUGH. IT'S A MEANDERING COURSE WITH A LOT OF ROUNDABOUTS, BUT IT WILL GET SOMEONE FROM 4600 WEST ALL THE WAY TO THE VERY WEST EDGE OF OUR CITY, UP TO THE WEST EDGE OF TERRAIN. IT'S A GREAT ROUTE. THIS IS THE ONLY CONNECTING PIECE THAT WOULD BE LEFT TO DO. SO THAT'S IN OUR LONG RANGE GOALS. IT'S IN OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN. BUT I WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE, AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS SITE, THAT EVENTUALLY THOSE ROADS WILL CONNECT. DON'T TELL ANYBODY THAT LIVES EAST OF THAT PARCEL THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT SAYS. WELL, WHAT THEIR REALTOR TOLD THEM THAT'LL NEVER GO THROUGH. THAT'S A PARK OR A FUTURE PARK. OKAY, SO BEFORE WE GET A NUMBER OF COUNCILORS WHO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, IS THERE ANY OTHER STAFF WHO'D LIKE TO COMMENT OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. DO I HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS BOARD? AT SEVEN? SIX? I RAISED MY HAND BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I NEED TO SEE MORE. OH, YOU DID STOP ALL GROWTH. YEAH, I DIDN'T SAY I WANTED TO STOP ALL GROWTH. THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. YOURSELF OUT OF THE JOB. 
          SO THANK YOU. PERFECT. THANKS, JEFF. I'M STILL WAITING FOR THE COSTCO. AND SIT DOWN STEAK PLACE. LIKE I SAID, THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE SPOT RIGHT THERE ON THAT. IF YOU WANT TO TALK, CAITLIN, WE CAN TALK. I DON'T THINK I CAN SHOP AT COSTCO THAT SMALL. OH, THAT'S A STEAKHOUSE. 
          OH, THAT'S THE STEAKHOUSE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL TWO SEATS. THANK 
          [c.
 Discussion of Copper Rim Planned Community Phase 10 – 6111 West 7000 South]
YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM TWO. DISCUSSION OF COPPER AND PLANNED COMMUNITY PHASE 1060 111 WEST AND 70TH SOUTH. OUR PRESENTER IS MATT SCOTT OF WEST. I'M ACTUALLY NOT MATT SCOTT. 
          YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME. CAMERON JACKSON WITH COLE WEST. MATT'S OUT OF TOWN AND SO I'M KIND OF HELPING HIM OUT. I'M NEW TO HIS PROJECT, BUT HE'S DONE KIND OF MOST OF THAT TO ASK YOU ANY HARD QUESTIONS. WELL, YOU CAN YOU CAN FIRE AWAY AND I'LL GIVE IT MY BEST SHOT. 
          HOW'S THAT? OKAY. SO WHAT THIS IS, IS THIS IS A DISCUSSION OF COPPER RIM PHASE TEN, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THAT ADDRESS. SO AND I APOLOGIZE, WE HAD SOME KIND OF TECHNICAL ISSUES WITH CONVERSION OF SOME OF THE FONTS HERE. THIS WAS BUILT IN CANVA AND IT KIND OF GOT WONKY IN POWERPOINT. SO I APOLOGIZE. MY APOLOGIES. JUST SHOUT IT OUT. ANY QUESTIONS? SO BASICALLY ESSENTIALLY WHERE THIS IS AND I'LL PROBABLY GET INTO IT BETTER IN THAT FIRST ONE WAS REALLY GOOD. BUT SO THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO FALCON RIDGE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BETWEEN THE COPPER RIM MASTER PLAN AND FALCON RIDGE ELEMENTARY. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS WHAT WE HOPE 
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IS A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD REQUEST. THERE IS A PIECE OF LAND THAT IS CURRENTLY PART OF THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, WHICH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS DESIGNATED AS SURPLUS, WHICH OUR INTENT IS TO PURCHASE THAT FROM THEM AND TURN IT INTO PHASE TEN OF COPPER RIM. THAT WOULD BASICALLY TRIGGER A REZONE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S PROPERTY FROM PUBLIC FACILITIES, AND ESSENTIALLY ADD IT TO THE COPPER RIM MASTER PLAN. SO IT WOULD INVOLVE, OBVIOUSLY, A CHANGE TO THE LAND USE MAP FROM PUBLIC FACILITIES TO RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN WE WOULD PROPOSE TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE EXISTING COPPER RIDGE DEVELOPMENT. JUST A COUPLE QUICK THINGS ON THE NUMBERS THERE. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A MAP HERE IN JUST A MINUTE, IS IT'S ABOUT 30 LOTS. THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THAT SITE IS JUST UNDER ABOUT SEVEN ACRES. AND THEN THE RESULTING DENSITY WOULD BE JUST UNDER FOUR AND A HALF. SO THERE'S A MAP YOU CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY MOUNTAIN VIEW ON THE LEFT AND THE SOUTH UP THERE, COPPER RIM SCHOOL UP THERE IN THE UPPER RIGHT. AND THEN THE SITE THAT IS IN QUESTION IS THE PIECE THERE IN RED. GOOD. EVERYBODY WITH ME SO FAR IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION. SO THIS IS WHAT THAT SITE PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S A NORTH SOUTH ROAD THAT WOULD GET BUILT AS PART OF PHASES SEVEN AND EIGHT OF COPPER RIM. AND THEN THE SOUTHERN ROAD THAT SITS JUST BELOW IT HERE WOULD GET BUILT AS PART OF PHASE FIVE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE KIND OF HOW THE 30 UNITS ARRAY ON THE LAND RIGHT THERE. SO IN TERMS OF THE PROPERTY LINES, SO THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY LINE FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS WAS HERE, THAT WOULD COME DOWN TO HERE. THIS DETENTION BASIN IS CURRENTLY THE SCHOOL'S DETENTION BASIN. THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PROJECT. AND ESSENTIALLY THE STORMWATER, ALL OF THE STORMWATER FROM THIS SITE WOULD DRAIN INTO THAT DETENTION BASIN RIGHT THERE. YES. WAIT, SAY THAT AGAIN. WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? BECAUSE IF IT'S THE IF IT'S THE DETENTION BASIN, CURRENTLY, WILL FALCON RIDGE, WILL THEIR WATER GO INTO IT STILL? YES. YEAH. SO WE WOULD CONVERT THAT FROM A A DETENTION BASIN TO A RETENTION BASIN. AND THEN THE WATER OUTFLOWS WOULD BECOME PART OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM. SO A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS. I KNOW I HAVEN'T BEEN PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN IT, BUT MANY OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY BEEN ON THE COUNCIL FOR A LONG TIME AND HAVE BEEN AWARE OF SOME OF THE EVOLUTION OF US. JUST JUST A COUPLE OF YOU. OKAY. THREE. THERE'S YEAH. THAT'S TRUE. SO THERE'S BEEN, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, THEN THERE'S BEEN SOME EVOLUTION OF CHANGES IN THIS MASTER PLAN. THIS WAS JUST KIND OF A, AS A REFRESHER, THIS IS A BIT OF A HISTORY AROUND THAT. 
          SO THE ORIGINAL NBA AND THE PDP IN 2018 WAS 753 UNITS. THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT IN 2021 THAT ADDED 125. AND IF THE NUMBERS ARE MAKING YOUR HEAD SPIN, I THINK THE EASIEST WAY IS JUST TO FOLLOW DOWN THERE ON THE BOTTOM. BUT I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS AS A AS A REFRESHER FOR THOSE THAT MAYBE WEREN'T AWARE, IN 2024, THERE WAS A VOLUNTARY REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WERE PART OF THE COPPER RIM DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS ACQUISITION OF THE SCHOOL PROPERTY WAS ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATED AS PART OF THAT CHANGE. AND SO THAT KIND OF GETS US TO TODAY WHERE THERE WAS A REDUCTION DOWN OF ABOUT 147 UNITS. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO ADD 30 UNITS BACK TO THE COPPER RIM MASTER PLAN. AND THE NET EFFECT OF THAT IS WE'RE STILL DOWN ABOUT 117 UNITS. SO IT'S STILL THE OVERALL CHANGE STILL ENDS UP IN A IN A REDUCTION OF THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT OR THE TOTAL DENSITY FOR THE PROJECT. THAT'S KIND OF IT. I THINK, LIKE I SAID, FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. WE'VE I KNOW THAT WE'VE MET BOTH WITH ENGINEERING AND PLANNING TO GO THROUGH THE IMPACTS TO THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH SHOULD BE FAIRLY NEGLIGIBLE. AGAIN, CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT BASICALLY THIS THIS ENDS UP IN A NET REDUCTION OF ABOUT 117 UNITS AT THE END OF THE DAY 
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FROM WHAT COPPER RIM WAS ORIGINALLY. SO HOW HOW ARE YOU TIED WITH COPPER RAILS? ARE YOU INVOLVED WITH THEM AT ALL? SO WHERE THE WHERE THE MASTER. A QUESTION ABOUT COPPER. OKAY. 
          WE'VE HAD A RESIDENT HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING A HOLD OF THE HOA. OKAY. AND THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SOME THINGS. IT ACTUALLY SOUNDED LIKE SHE'S CONCERNED THAT IT'S BEING TURNED OVER MORE TO THE RESIDENTS. BUT HOW HOW DO YOU SUGGEST THEY GET A HOLD OF HOA AND GET ANSWERS AND A COPY OF THE BYLAWS? IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. DO YOU HAVE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION SOMEWHERE? OKAY. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS JUST IF SOMEBODY CAN GET ME THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION, I'M HAPPY TO CONNECT THEM WITH, CAN YOU LEAVE ME A PHONE NUMBER AND I'LL GET IT. SURE. OR AN EMAIL? YEAH. OKAY. PERFECT. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. IT'S A HUGE. 
          HOW MANY ACRES ALTOGETHER? LIKE A LOT OR SOMETHING. YEAH, YEAH, A LOT OF ACRES. A LOT OF ACRES. 
          SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, WE HAVE WE HAVE FOR OUR WATER 50. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE 30 OR 50 PARKS FOR THIS? THIS WAS A BEFORE IT WAS A, THAT FUTURE LAND. RIGHT. WHAT WAS IT ON FUTURE LAND? I THINK IT WAS. SO YOU PROBABLY THINK LIKE PUBLIC FACILITIES, PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND 2 OR 3 UNITS PER ACRE. SO THIS WON'T BE FAR OFF FROM WHAT THAT IS. IF THIS WERE A SCHOOL FIELD, I PROBABLY SPEND MORE WATER THAN THIS FOR A BIG SCHOOL FIELD THAN I WOULD IF IT'S HOMES WITH OKAY, SO WATER SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE HERE. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK OUR THOUGHT ON THAT IS I LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE NUMBERS. SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I READ THAT MY NOTES ARE REALLY BAD ON THAT ONE. 
          YOUR NUMBERS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS MANY UNITS, TO THIS MANY UNITS TO THIS MANY, NONE OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS EVER CAME WITH AN ADJUSTMENT THE SIZE OF COPPER RIM. THIS ONE DOES SO ADDING 30 UNITS, BUT YOU'RE ALSO ADDING SEVEN ACRES OF LAND. SO YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS A PORTION OF A DIFFERENT KIND. NOT NEARLY AS DEBATABLE AS. CHANGING DENSITIES. THIS ISN'T REALLY CHANGING. COPPER RIM WRIT LARGE. CAN YOU JUST WRITE ON THE BACK THERE. SO YEAH YEAH. 
          SEND YOU WHAT I'LL DO. I MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER ON YOU AND JUST GET YOU A BUSINESS CARD BECAUSE MY HANDWRITING HAS GOTTEN WORSE AND WORSE THE OLDER I GET. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT MINE STARTED OUT BAD. YEARS STARTED OUT BAD AND GOT BETTER. NEVER IMPROVED. YEAH. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? SO JUST FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE A CONSENSUS? I WANT TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY STAFF MEMBERS WHO WANT TO HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE ASK FOR THAT? AND DO I HAVE A RUSH UP AS QUICK AS. I HAVE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS? NO, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE SEVEN. MAKE IT EASIER FOR CINDY. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. KEVIN. GREAT. JUST WHAT NEXT STEPS? WILL WALK YOU THROUGH? ON THE SCREENS? YEAH, YOU CAN GET THAT DONE. GREAT SUGGESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. OUR NEXT ITEM 
          [d.
 Discussion of Westland Cottages Development Proposal and Associated Future Land Use Map Amendment and Rezone for the Former West Jordan Elementary Site (7220 South 2370 West)]
IS THE DISCUSSION OF WESTLAND COTTAGES DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, FORMERLY WEST JORDAN ELEMENTARY SITE, WHICH IS 7220 SOUTH AND 2370 WEST. WE HAVE IVORY HOMES AND ROSS DINSDALE AS OUR APPLICANT. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. I'M GLAD YOU ASKED ABOUT WATER. GREG ANSWERED MY QUESTION, BUT I. PASSING THAT. SURE, I KNEW IT WOULD COME UP, GAVE ME THE WRONG. I CAN LIVE WITHOUT FOOD FOR MANY MORE DAYS THAN I CAN LIVE WITHOUT. WELL, WE WERE GOING TO PUT A GROCERY STORE THERE, BUT. WELL, YEAH, THANK YOU. I KNOW I, I JUST BUILT A HOME. I LIVE IN LEHIGH AND I HAVE THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE. ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH WATER WE HAVE IS IT USED TO BE THAT WE PUT SOD OVER EVERYTHING. AND LIKE GREG MENTIONED, THAT TAKES MORE WATER THAN EVEN OUR WHAT 
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WE'RE USING INSIDE OUR HOMES. I BOUGHT SOME NATIVE FLOWER SEEDS AND SEWED THEM ALL ALONG THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE, WHICH IS SCARY BECAUSE I'M LIKE, THEY WERE EXPENSIVE AND I HAVE NO IDEA IF THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE OR ANYTHING. AND JUST YESTERDAY, SOME OF THE FLOWERS BLOOMED. 
          THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO GO WITH ZERO IRRIGATION. SO WE'LL SEE IF IT WORKS OUT. BUT I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT. SOME OF THEM HAVE TO OVERWINTER, SO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WINTER CYCLE BEFORE. THEY'LL GROW. SO YOU MIGHT GET MORE NEXT YEAR. I HOPE SO, AND I KNOW WE HAVE LIMITED TIME, SO I WILL BE FAIRLY QUICK. I THINK A HANDFUL OF YOU, YOU KNOW, ARE AWARE OF THIS AND WHAT OUR PROPOSAL IS ALREADY. THIS IS THE SITE. IT'S FORMER WEST JORDAN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THE CURRENT LAND USE IS PUBLIC FACILITY. AND THE CURRENT ZONE IS R1 TEN. AND WE ARE PROPOSING A R3 SIX ZONE SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS TWO APPLICATIONS. THE ZONE ALLOWS FOR 4000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS OR LARGER 50FT WIDE. AND AND THEY DO HAVE TO BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN. YOU KNOW, LIKE THE OTHER TWO MENTIONED, THIS IS A CONCEPT. WE HAVEN'T DONE THE FINAL ENGINEERING, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE TALKED TO CITY STAFF A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT THIS AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL. OKAY, SO JUST A REAL QUICK BACKGROUND. THIS IS PART OF A BIGGER TRADE WITH THE JORDAN SCHOOL DISTRICT TO GET THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, 60 ACRES OF PROPERTY THAT THEY REQUIRE FOR A HIGH SCHOOL. AND WE HAVE TRADED THAT PROPERTY, THE FIRST 20 ACRES TO THEM ON IN OUR DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS PROJECT. IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF U111 AND NORTH OF 90TH SOUTH. THEY SPECIFICALLY WERE LOOKING AT THAT LOCATION BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, THE WEST SIDE OF WEST JORDAN IS GROWING RIGHT NOW. 
          OTHER AREAS ARE NOT GROWING. SO THIS IS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ACTUALLY, THEY OWNED 20 ACRES OF PROPERTY IN HARRIMAN, THE TEN ACRES AT THE WEST JORDAN ELEMENTARY SITE, 20 ACRES SOUTH OF THE ANTELOPE CANYON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND THEN THEY HAD A TEN ACRE PLACEHOLDER WITHIN OUR DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS PROJECT THAT'S BEEN TRADED NOW. YOU MAY KNOW THIS, BUT THE SCHOOL OPENED IN 1982. IT WAS TWO YEARS AFTER I WAS BORN. WITH A POPULATION OF ABOUT 500 STUDENTS. THE SCHOOL'S ENROLLMENT PEAKED IN THE LATE 1990S AT ABOUT A THOUSAND STUDENTS. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T TOTALLY JUST A DECLINING STUDENT POPULATION. 
          THE SCHOOL. IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY INTERESTING IF YOU READ ABOUT IT ON THE NEWS. IT WAS INITIALLY BUILT OUT OF MOBILE UNITS, AND THEY JUST KEPT MAINTAINING IT OVER THE YEARS UNTIL IT WAS NO LONGER FEASIBLE TO KEEP UP. BUT IT WAS CLOSED IN 2023. LIKE I SAID, IN PART BECAUSE OF THE DECLINING STUDENT POPULATION. AND THEY ENDED ABOUT WHERE THEY STARTED AT 458 STUDENTS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CENSUS DATA IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE POPULATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEAKED IN THE 2000 CENSUS AT ABOUT 5500 PEOPLE. AND TODAY IT'S ABOUT 436 PEOPLE LESS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS. OUR GOVERNOR KIND OF PROMOTED IT QUITE A BIT. A HANDFUL OF YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A STUDY THAT WAS PUT OUT AND ABOUT. 
          UPWARD MOBILITY IN UTAH WAS UNIQUE IN THAT WE WERE HIGHER THAN A LOT OF OTHER AREAS IN THE COUNTRY. PART OF THAT IS WHAT THEY POSITED. OR, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN UTAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE ARTIFICIAL BOUNDARIES OF WARDS THAT COMBINE DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE. SO ONE OF THE MAIN TAKEAWAYS WAS THAT SOCIAL CAPITAL IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO HELP UPWARD MOBILITY. THIS AREA IS, YOU KNOW, HAS TWO THINGS GOING ON A DECLINING POPULATION. BUT THAT MEANS IT HAS A VERY ESTABLISHED AND EXPERIENCED NEIGHBORHOOD FULL OF SOCIAL CAPITAL. YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE NEIGHBORS HERE. AND SO WHEN WE CAN COMBINE YOUNGER FAMILIES WITH A GROUP LIKE THIS THAT BENEFITS BOTH GROUPS. THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, OTHER EFFECTS OF A SHRINKING 
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POPULATION. WE KEEP UP ON PROPERTY SOLD IN THE AREA. AND THE THE LDS CHURCH JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, SURPLUS PROPERTY JUST ABOUT A MILE NORTH OF HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS, PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS, YOU JUST SEE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, KIDS GET OLDER, THEY LEAVE THE AREA, THE HOUSE SIZE SHRINKS, AND THERE'S JUST LESS PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND LESS NEED FOR SOME OF THESE PUBLIC SCHOOLS FROM SIX BUILDINGS IN A HOUSE TO TWO BECAUSE THE KIDS GROW UP. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND FOR THE RECORD, I DID NOT GET MY KIDS PERMISSION TO GO. YEAH, BUT SEE, YOU'RE GETTING GRANDKIDS. AT LEAST I STILL HAVE TEENAGERS. AND IT'S JUST I TELL THEM THE THE GRAY HAIR ON MY FACE IS THE PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION OF THE TOLL THEY'RE TAKING ON ME. SO. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED. AND SO IVORY HOMES WILL MAKE ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, WHETHER WE BUILD THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 28 OF THEM, OR, YOU KNOW, THE ZONE WOULD ALLOW UP TO 60 OR SO SMALLER LOTS. 
          THERE'S ALL THAT YOU'RE ASKING. WHAT'S THAT YOU'RE ASKING? YES. THE ZONE THAT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AN R1 TEN WOULD BE 28 UNITS. YEAH. PLUS OR MINUS. I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW BEFORE THE FINAL ENGINEERING I SEE. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE EXISTING SOCIAL CAPITAL, THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN ADDITION, THE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE. I PASSED OUT THIS HANDOUT. WE HAVE A IVORY HOMES. YOU GUYS DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES A LOW WATER USE LANDSCAPING. IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE BACKYARD IVORY HOMES. WE HAVE A COMMITMENT INTERNALLY IN OUR COMPANY TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF OUR HOMES ARE VERY LOW WATER USE. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS KIND OF THE MODEL WE FOLLOW. IT'S DIFFERENT IN EACH CASE, THE EXISTING SCHOOL SITE HAS ABOUT 3.8 ACRES OF SOD THAT'S IRRIGATED. THIS PLAN. IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THE MAX OF WHAT COULD BE 60 OR SO UNITS, IT'S ABOUT 1.1 ACRES OF IRRIGATED AREA. SO WE WOULD BE REDUCING IT BY TWO TWO OR MORE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE AND THAT'S IT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW I DON'T THINK IT'S A COINCIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE THREE BUILDERS IN HERE ASKING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD COTTAGE LOTS. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD. 
          THEY'RE NOT. I WON'T SAY THEY'RE AFFORDABLE, RIGHT. BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT IS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE PETERSON SAID, WE WE WOULD LOOK TO START AROUND 500 000 IN DRY CREEK. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT AN AVERAGE OF 650 000 FOR THIS TYPE OF UNIT. SO SO WHILE IT'S NOT CHEAP, IT'S SOMETHING THAT A MARRIED COUPLE WITH TWO WORKING INDIVIDUALS CAN, CAN PURCHASE AS OPPOSED TO A TEN 000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE AVERAGING 1.2 TO $1.5 MILLION FOR ALL OF THOSE. DO YOU HAVE YOUR PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN? I DO. MAYBE ONE THING I WOULD HIGHLIGHT, SORRY, IS THAT THE THE SMALLER LOTS ARE KIND OF A MORE ORANGE COLOR. ONE, ONE THING WE THOUGHT WE WOULD DO IS THE EXISTING HOMES, THAT FRONT WHERE WE WOULD BE PUTTING NEW HOMES, PUT SIMILAR SIZED LOTS. SO THIS PLAN SHOWS 48 UNITS. LIKE I SAID, THE ZONE ITSELF WOULD ALLOW FOR 66 OF THE SMALLER HOMES. WE'D BE HAPPY TO COMMIT TO DO THIS LAYOUT. WE'D BE HAPPY TO COMMIT TO, YOU KNOW, ENSURING ALL OF THEM USE THE LOW WATER LANDSCAPING THEY HAVE IN THE BACKYARD. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF INTRUSIVE TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN DO IN THEIR BACKYARD. WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT I LOVE THAT IDEA. YEAH. I GUESS WHAT WE DO AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS IF WE INSTALL THE LANDSCAPING UP FRONT, I MEAN, IT NORMALLY MEANS IT STAYS BECAUSE IF YOU'RE BUYING A NEW HOME, YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR MONEY ON THE HOME, YOU'RE NOT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY REDOING LANDSCAPING. AND SO THAT LANDSCAPING UP FRONT, THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT IF WE LEAVE IT AND WE DON'T DO THE LANDSCAPING, THE CHEAPEST AND EASIEST THING TO DO FOR MOST HOMEOWNERS IS JUST PUT SOD OR GRASS SEED ON THE WHOLE THING, WHICH IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. IN YOUR OPINION. YEAH. WELL, FOR FOR A BACKYARD, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THESE WILL HAVE CHILDREN IN THE HOMES, RIGHT? IF ALL I HAVE IN THE BACKYARD 
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IS PLANTS, WHERE DO I PLAY? I GUESS THE PLAYGROUND. NO, YOU'RE I, I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          WHAT I, WHAT I MEAN, MAYBE MORE CLEARLY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PUT PLANTINGS UP AGAINST THE FENCE WHEN YOU HAVE SOD UP AGAINST FENCES, IT CREATES SOGGY SPOTS AND YOUR NEIGHBOR'S WATER GETS ON YOUR LAWN AND YOURS GETS ON THEIR LAWN. WE DO WANT A GRASSY AREA THAT'S USABLE FOR FAMILIES, BUT WE DO OTHER THINGS. WE INCORPORATE MULCH AND OTHER PLANTINGS. SO I DO WANT TO PUSH BACK ON THAT. ARLINGTON'S THEY SELL VERY WELL IN THIS SURROUNDING AREA BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ONE AREA OF 22 THOSE HOUSES SOLD SO QUICKLY AND THEY'RE 8 TO 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE WHERE THERE WAS A VETERINARIAN CLINIC, AND THOSE ARE THE SAME. 
          THAT'S AN R ONE EIGHT. YEAH. R ONE EIGHT. AND THOSE ARE SELLING REALLY QUICK TOO. SO I AGREE. SO IT IS A PRODUCT THAT IS WANTED AS WELL. AND HERE YOU HAVE 22. ER BUT YOU WANT 48. 
          BUT YOU TOLD ME YOU COULD PUT 28 AND EARN JUST AS MUCH OR PENCIL OUT THE RIGHT WAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SAID ROSS, BUT THAT I COULD GET BEHIND. I MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO GET BEHIND THE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU ON THIS. MOST OF THEM. BUT I COULD MAYBE GET BEHIND R ONE EIGHT, BUT I CAN'T GO LOWER THAN THAT BECAUSE ONE OF ONE OF OUR PART OF OUR GENERAL PLAN SAYS THAT YOU WILL THAT IT WILL NOT MATCH. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE WORD IS, BUT BASICALLY INTEGRATE. 
          WELL, I DON'T THINK THIS INTEGRATES WELL. AND WE'VE ALREADY CONVERTED ONE SCHOOL TO AN ARTS CHARTER SCHOOL. AND SO IF WE HAD A BUNCH OF MORE KIDS HERE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO. AND I CAN'T CONSIDER KIDS THAT YOU BROUGHT THEM UP AND YOU BROUGHT UP SCHOOL. SO I'M GOING TO PUSH BACK ON THAT AND SAY, THEN WE JUST PUT MORE POPULATION INTO THOSE SCHOOLS THAT MAYBE THEY CAN'T HANDLE, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE PORTABLES AGAIN. AND, AND THERE WAS THERE WAS A TIME, THERE WAS A TIME THAT I FELT PORTABLES WERE OKAY. AND MY CHILDREN WENT THROUGH PORTABLES. I WAS OKAY WITH THAT. BUT IN TODAY'S CULTURE, I DON'T REALLY WANT KIDS IN PORTABLES ANYMORE. I DON'T WANT A TEACHER ALONE. ANYBODY. SO I CAN'T CONSIDER THAT. BUT I CAN CONSIDER WATER AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WATER. AND I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT THIS FITS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT AFTER THE MEETINGS THAT YOU HAD WITH RESIDENTS, THAT YOU STILL BROUGHT BACK SOMETHING SO DENSE, I GUESS I'LL JUST HAVE TO SAY WE'LL HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE. YEAH WE CAN. YEAH. WHAT I WHAT I'M SAYING IS I THINK THIS IS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THE NEIGHBORS DON'T THINK THAT I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T HAVE WATER FOR THAT, BUT I WE WILL BE USING. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WATER YOUR CASTOR OIL. NO, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT YOU'LL BE USING LESS. YOU CAN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO WATER. YOU CAN SAY YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN WATER WISE LANDSCAPING. THAT'S AS FAR AS YOU CAN GO. BUT I'M TELLING YOU THAT OUR STAFF HAS TOLD ME WE HAVE 22 ERCS YOU WANT 48? BUT YOU SAID THAT YOU COULD DO OKAY FINANCIALLY IF YOU JUST DID. 28 SO I'M SAYING LET'S DO 28 GRASS. I'M GOING TO SHOCK A LOT OF PEOPLE. I KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU SEE WHAT KIND OF FRIENDS? NO, NOBODY. NOBODY PASSED OUT. CAN WE HAVE THE TIME? SO BACK, BACK BEFORE YOUR PROPOSAL. I DON'T LIKE HOW THIS DISPOSAL OF PROPERTY FROM CHURCH MINISTRY OCCURRED. YEAH. I KIND OF REALLY, REALLY LIKE WHAT SANDY CITY IS DOING AND TALKING TO THEIR COUNCIL AND NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAYING, IF WE WANTED TO PURCHASE THIS, THIS IS WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND THIS IS WHAT. AND WE JUST GOT A BLANKET. NO, WITHOUT REALLY ANY CONVERSATION AT ALL. VERY MUCH RUBBED THE WRONG WAY FOR, FOR ME, THAT DIDN'T COME FROM YOU GUYS. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU CAME AFTER THAT, BUT THAT KIND OF STARTED THE WHOLE PROCESS WITH A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH TO START. WITH. THAT BEING SAID, I BRUSHED MY TEETH, I WAS GOOD, AND NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT. I SEE YOUR ZONE. YOUR CONCEPT PLAN IS A CONCEPT PLAN THAT I DON'T MIND FOR MOST PLACES, EXCEPT YOU'RE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY R1 AND NO R1, TEN AND 12. WELL, OKAY, 10 TO 12. I JUST I DON'T HAVE THE MAP PULLED UP, BUT I KNEW IT WAS LOWER THAN R3, WHATEVER. 
          YEAH, AND I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN WITH THE R3 ZONE AS I HAVE WITH PETERSON. AGAIN, YOU 
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HAVE TO GIVE ME ALL THE ASSURANCES IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR DEVELOPMENTS, BUT I HAVE TO GET AN AGREEMENT THAT INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. RIGHT. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AGREEMENT, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T LIKE PUTTING AND I KNOW IT'S SINGLE FAMILY AND I KNOW IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A GINORMOUS IMPACT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT 40 SOMETHING HOMES VERSUS 28 HOMES IS IT'S NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE. THAT'S A DIFFERENCE OF 20 HOMES. IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF, YOU KNOW, A CAR EVERY 4 OR 5 MINUTES DURING RUSH HOUR, ROUGHLY WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC STUDIES AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO I'M TRAFFIC IS NOT A CONCERN FOR ME. THE NUMBER OF KIDS, ONE LESS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, MAYBE I KIND OF SEE THAT. BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN THIS AREA HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM. YEAH, BUT IT'S TWO ELEMENTARY IS THAT THEY'RE DOWN NOW BECAUSE THEY GOT RID OF WEST JORDAN AND IT'S MADE A FEW MILES DOWN THE ROAD HERE, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. OH, NO. YEAH. THEY DON'T MEET OVER THERE ANYMORE. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY MEET DOWN IN. YOU CAN'T SIT DOWN THERE. WHEN YOU WERE ON THE. I KNOW I MOVED US THERE. I REALLY LIKE IF YOU'RE IF IF THIS IS GOING TO DEVELOP AND IT'S NOT GOING TO FALL INTO THE CITY'S HANDS FOR THE CITY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROPERTY. THEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP IT AND YOU'RE GOING TO WANT THIS MUCH DENSITY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND OPEN SPACE IN THERE SOMEWHERE TO MAKE UP FOR THE DENSITY. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M I'M OKAY WITH PUTTING SMALLER LOTS. IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, RIGHT, TO KIND OF MAKE UP FOR THAT. BUT THAT SAID, THERE'S A, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM TO PUT A PARK OR SOMETHING HERE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT SIZE, THAT SCOPE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THAT SAID, PARKS ARE LARGE PLACES OF OPEN. WATER USE, RIGHT? NOT AVAILABLE. SO I AM A. 
          I'M KIND OF IN AGREEMENT THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO ZONE THIS FOR HOUSING, I COULD MAYBE BE TALKED INTO R1 EIGHT, BUT I DON'T THINK I CAN BE TALKED INTO ANYTHING. TO WEIGH IN ON THIS AS WELL. I AGAIN, I DON'T MIND SOME OF THE SMALL STUFF IN. MAYBE EVEN IF JUST THAT CENTER SECTION, IF YOU TOOK ALL THE WHOLE ON THE OUTSIDE AND LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, MAKING THAT MORE KIND OF MATCH UP AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS COMMUNITY INSIDE. BUT THEN I WOULD GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER JACOBS POINT. I REALLY DON'T LIKE IT WHEN IT'S BROUGHT THAT WE'RE MAKING THIS FOR YOUNG FAMILIES. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN AND THERE IS NOWHERE FOR A YOUNG FAMILY TO KIND OF REALLY GO, OR DO YOU KNOW WHAT TO BE A PART OF? YOU'RE JUST THERE IF YOU KNOW. 
          SO LIKE I SAID, MY THING WOULD BE IF YOU TOOK OUT THE OUTSIDE RING AND PUT THOSE BACK TO THE HOUSES THAT ALL KIND OF MATCH, THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A LANE THAT ALL KIND OF MATCHES AROUND. AND THEN MAYBE I COULD LOOK AT IN THAT CENTER KNOCKING, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THOSE A LITTLE SMALLER. I, I PERSONALLY, I LIVE IN AN R1 ZONE. I THINK THE HOUSES ARE, ARE VERY NICELY SIZED AND, AND WORK REAL WELL AND HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF COMMUNITY. BUT IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO ALL OF THOSE LITTLE COTTAGE THINGS IN THE MIDDLE, I WOULD ALMOST LOOK AT TAKING OUT A COUPLE IN THE CENTER AND MAKING THAT A GREEN WAY THAT IF YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, THEN THERE'S A PLACE FOR A COMMUNITY TO ACTUALLY BE A COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST STAY IN YOUR HOMES. SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT THAT WOULD TAKE OUT IF YOU LOOK ALONG JUST THE OUTSIDE AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE, THE ONE ROAD TO THE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S, THAT'S NEXT TO THE BIGGER LOTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING OF THOSE, BUT JUST THE OTHER THREE SIDES. IF THOSE WERE EVEN BIGGER, THAT WOULD MATCH ALL THE HOMES AROUND. AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TRY SOMETHING TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING COMMUNITY WISE. BUT I WOULD EVEN SAY, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUT A COUPLE OF THOSE AND MAKE THAT A COMMUNITY HUB FOR THAT AREA. THOSE ARE JUST SOME THOUGHTS THERE. BUT YEAH, I, I'M REALLY TO GO MUCH MORE WITH COUNCILMEMBER JACOB AND WITH WHAT COUNCILMEMBER WHITELOCK IS SAYING MORE IN THE ZONE OF NO LESS THAN OUR ONE EIGHTHS IN THERE, BECAUSE I DO LIKE THE SIZE OF THAT COMMUNITY. AND I DO THINK YOU CAN PUT SOME GOOD SIZE, BUT AFFORDABLE HOMES IN THAT RANGE AND AFFORDABLE CAME WITH A HUGE QUOTATION. SO THAT'S THAT. THAT DOVETAILS RIGHT INTO WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT. SO I'D LIKE TO TAKE A TURN. I PERSONALLY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MAKING THIS ALL R1 TEN. HOWEVER, THE GOOD THING IS IT COULD BE R1 TEN AND HE COULD 
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LEAVE TODAY. YEAH IT IS R1. YEAH, YEAH. HE DOESN'T NEED TO COME TO US IF HE DOES R1 TEN THAT'S TRUE. SO MY CONCERN IS IF WE FORCED R1 TEN. IS IVORY GOING TO COME IN WITH $1.2 MILLION LUXURY HOMES THAT WILL FIT EVEN LESS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAN WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING? I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT AT ALL. THAT'S MY QUESTION. I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. HE'S ALREADY BUILT $1.2 MILLION. HOW DO YOU MAKE IT PENCIL FREE IF IT'S ALL R1 TEN? HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT PENCIL? WELL, YEAH, THOSE BUILDING LUXURY HOMES, RIGHT? THEY'LL SELL FOR QUITE A BIT. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S NOT GOING TO FIT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ANY BETTER THAN WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING. IT'S JUST IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. I DON'T KNOW, I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH THAT. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S DIFFERENT. RIGHT? BUT I'M OKAY WITH THAT. WE GET THAT ALMOST EVERYWHERE. YOU HAVE AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE NEWER, NICER THINGS THAN WHAT'S AROUND IT, RIGHT? THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS 50, 60 YEARS OLD, RIGHT? SO CAN WE ASK THEM TO HAVE R1 TEN AND LIMIT THE HOUSE SIZE TO 1000FT■!S UP AND DOWN? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN MY HOUSE, BUT WHAT'S WHAT SIZE ARE THE HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? ARE THERE. NO, AROUND 2000 TOTAL -3800. WE ACTUALLY CAN'T. WE ACTUALLY CAN'T. SORRY, 3800. IS THAT OKAY? I THOUGHT THE HOMES WERE SMALLER. THEY'RE THEY'RE BIGGER HOMES. I THINK SOME OF THEM NEAR THERE WOULD SELL FOR A MILLION ALREADY. OKAY. IF THEY'RE UPDATED. YEAH. WELL, LIKE KIM DOESN'T LIKE THAT. HE'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. 
          THAT BEING THE CASE, MY CONCERN IS NOT AS. YEAH, BUT THAT WHOLE AS I THOUGHT. NO, IT'S A VALID CONCERN, BUT I, I ACTUALLY LIKE HAVING DIVERSE INCOME RANGES WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD. I ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING REALLY QUICK FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE. YOUR COMMENTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT. WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION AND CITY COUNCIL. SO JUST LET US HAVE A DISCUSSION QUESTION ON ON THIS. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THEM HAVE TO HAVE 22 FOOT DRIVEWAYS, CORRECT. 
          OKAY. WELL, WHEN I BLOW THINGS UP, I CAN'T SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND STUFF. LIKE PART OF THE CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT MIDDLE AREA WHERE THEY'RE SO CLOSE TOGETHER. SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, STREET PARKING. SO ALL IT TAKES IS A PARTY OR TWO AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE OVER YOUR YOUR THING AND THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY IN THAT SQUARE, REALLY NO PLACE TO PARK BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE, I'M GUESSING, ARE GOING TO BE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER FOR A CAR. YOU KNOW, ONE CAR CAN'T EVEN PARK IN BETWEEN THEM. SO NOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE, IF THAT HAPPENS AND THE WAY IT'S SET UP NOW, YOU'VE NOW SET PARKING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S STREETS THAN YOUR STREET. THIS WOULD BE JUST LIKE WE HAVE IN DRY CREEK. OUR PHASE TWO. WE BUILT COTTAGE LOTS AND THEY ARE NEXT TO BIGGER HOMES. 
          BUT THIS. THE STREET PARKING WORKS WELL. WE DO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DRIVEWAYS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, SO THERE'S MORE SPACE IN BETWEEN EVERY ALTERNATING HOUSE THAN IT MEANS EACH HOUSE CAN PARK A CAR IN FRONT. SO I MEAN, IT IS. SORRY TO INTERRUPT, JUST WITH DRIVEWAY SIZE TWO CITY WIDE, 18FT IS THEIR STANDARD WIDTH. AND WHAT'S THE LOT WIDTH ON THESE? 50, 50, 50, AT LEAST 32. STREETS ARE. YEAH. JUST TO REITERATE, LIKE, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE CAN WE CAN BUILD OUR 110 HOMES HERE AND THEY'LL DO WELL, BUT SO DO THAT. LIKE I SAID. SO IN TAYLORSVILLE, THEY RECENTLY BUILT AN INFILL PROJECT AND THEY DID 50 UNITS ON FIVE ACRES. AND THIS IS PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE STATE HAS A BIG PUSH IN USING EXISTING RESOURCES TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR UTAHNS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. THIS IS A GREAT LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE PHYSICAL SOCIAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE. MANY HOUSES ARE YOU BUILDING FOR UTAH IN DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS? JUST UNDER 3000. YEAH, I THINK WE'RE TAYLORSVILLE IS A DIFFERENT BEAST BECAUSE TAYLORSVILLE IS BASICALLY ALL BUILT OUT IN BETWEEN. WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF PLACES THAT 2050 HOUSES. I MEAN, WE CAN, BUT IT'S A SMALL DROP IN THE OCEAN. IT OPENS UP THE ABILITY, THE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO CAN PURCHASE THOSE HOMES. 
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THAT'S THAT'S THE GOAL. YEAH. THAT WE REALLY LIMIT WHO CAN BUY ANY OF THOSE HOMES. 
          COUNCILMEMBER WHITELOCK HAS A QUESTION FOR DUNCAN. DUNCAN BECAUSE IT'S WITH THE OLD. R-1 ATTENDEES IS THAT WE DON'T DO THE ALPHABET ANYMORE. SO THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THE DEED. RIGHT. SO IT'S JUST THE R-1 TEN. OKAY. IT'S ALL RIGHT. SO HERE'S MY SOAPBOX. I DON'T LIVE HERE. I DON'T LIVE NEXT TO ALL THIS THAT'S GOING TO GO IN. BUT THESE PEOPLE DO. THEY'VE TOLD US WHAT THEY THEY WANT TO SEE. AND I GET IT. IT'S NOT THEIR LAND. THEY DON'T OWN THAT LAND. BUT I KNEW WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THEY CAME IN. AND THIS ISN'T GEARED TOWARDS YOU. IT'S GEARED TOWARDS IVORY. I WILL BE 100%. YEAH, I'LL BE 100% AGAINST ANY OF THESE COTTAGE HOMES IN THIS AREA. IF YOU LOOK AT RECENTLY WHAT THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY HAS PROVIDED TO THREE DIFFERENT AREAS DOWN ON GARDNER LANE, DOWN ON 1300 BY MY HOUSE, AND ALSO JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS, THEY'RE ALL R-1 EIGHTS AND THEY'RE SELLING LIKE HOTCAKES. SO I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE. I KNOW IVORY DOESN'T WANT TO. I KNOW IVORY WANTS THIS. THIS WORKS OUT WEST. AND EVERYONE THAT CAME OUT THERE, THEY SAW IT AND PEOPLE CAN BUY IT. BUT TAKE THAT BOX THAT YOU HAD AS A LITTLE KID THAT HAD THE CIRCLE, THE SQUARE AND AND THE STAR. THIS DOESN'T FIT HERE. 
          SO SQUARE PARAGRAPH. YEAH. WELL, THIS IS THE ROUND HOLE DOESN'T FIT SQUARE PEGS. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE HEARING R1 TEN IS GREAT, BUT WHICH, WHICH WE ALL LIKE TO SEE, BUT I GET WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT. AND IT'S, I ALWAYS, I TOLD THIS IN THE LAST MEETING TO THE DEVELOPER, LIKE I HEAR EVERY TIME, LIKE, WELL, WE NEED HOMES FOR THIS, THESE PEOPLE AND THESE PEOPLE IN THIS, IN THIS PRICE RANGE. BUT THEN YOU GO DOWN TO THESE THREE SECTIONS THAT HAVE THESE R1 EIGHTHS HOMES AND THEY'RE ALL SELLING. SO OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GOING TO SELL. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL SELL TOO. SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IN THIS CASE, I HOPE IVORY WOULD LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT SURROUND THIS AND UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON'T WANT IT HERE, WANT THIS DENSE AND YOU'VE HEARD IT, YOU WERE OUT THERE. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          SO YEAH, THIS WILL NOT WORK FOR ME. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? AFTER WASTING MY ONE CONCERN, I THINK I'M I'M PRETTY SOLID AT 110 PERSONALLY, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO COMPROMISE AT ONE EIGHT, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WAS THAT 28 TO 30 HOMES, 32, THE R1 EIGHT. YOU GET A VERY SIMILAR HOME SIZE TO THE R1 TEN. SO YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT THAT MILLION DOLLAR, RIGHT? I'M NOT TALKING I'M TALKING ABOUT NUMBER OF UNITS. YEAH. IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR. YEAH. THAT'S NOT THE GOAL. THE GOAL IS TO GET THE PRICE OF THE HOME DOWN. MY GOAL IS TO BUILD OUT A GOOD WEST JORDAN FOR EVERYONE. AND I THINK IN THIS AREA, THE BETTER IDEA IS THE LARGER LOT SIZES. 
          IF YOU WANT TO PUT SMALLER HOMES ON THEM TO GET THE PRICE DOWN, THAT'D BE GREAT. AND THE PRICE IS IS A HUGE PART OF THE HOME, RIGHT? YEAH. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? SO I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO ASK. WELL WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE SAYING. ARE WE SAYING R1 TEN? ARE WE SAYING 118. SO WE WERE THEY CAME TO REZONE IT AS AN R3, R6 AND EXISTING AS R1 TEN. SO THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS. IF THEY WANTED TO COME BACK WITH AN. OKAY. SO THE QUESTION NOW IS JUST ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE ZONING? YEAH. 
          CHANGING TO THE R3, IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE ON. IT'S JUST. YEAH. WELL, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE. SO WE'LL ALL REGROUP WITH MARK AND SEE WHAT WE DO COMING FORWARD. CAN WE SAY IT WITH LOVE? THANK YOU. I WILL BE BACK SOON, HOPEFULLY WITH SOME MORE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT THAT THE 32ND UPDATE. WE HEARD THAT GARDENER PUT THIS IN SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ALL DAY LONG. YEAH, NO PROBLEM THERE. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ADMINISTRATIVE 
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ITEMS, JESSICA, AND GIVE US AN UPDATE AS SNIPPET. I PICKED UP KIND OF CONSENSUS, NOT R3 SIX. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. IF ANYONE OKAY WITH R3 SIX. R2 D2. C3. I ACTUALLY THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS. NOW YOU CAN TELL US. YEAH, WE SO THE PORTION OF PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONTROL WITH THE BRIAN JONES FAMILY GARDENER WAS 
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WORKING WITH MIKE JONES. MIKE JONES, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T WANT HIS PROPERTY WITHIN IT. SO WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU BACK A PROPOSAL WITH JUST THE BRIAN JONES PROPERTY. YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA WHERE BRIAN. BRIAN JONES WHERE DOES HE. BRIAN JONES IS THE VERY SOUTHWEST CORNER. SO IT'S THE PROPERTY THAT HAS THE GRAVEL PIT ON IT. IT'S THE PROPERTY ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF US. 11 AND THEN THE PORTION, VERY HILLY PORTION GOING UP THE HILL. SO. BUT IT'S MUCH REDUCED, YOU KNOW, FROM THE OVERALL JUST DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE'VE KIND OF SPLIT UP. BUT WE'RE WE'RE WORKING WITH TAYLOR. HE'S HELPING US, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THEY TALKED TO ALL OF YOU GUYS. 
          HE'S GOING TO GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK. WE'LL UPDATE A PLAN AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU. THIS ISN'T GREAT FOR IVORY, BUT HAS THERE BEEN TALK ABOUT IT. THAT'S VERY SOUTHWEST QUADRANT MOVING THE BATTERY FARM DOWN THERE. SO IT MAKES SENSE WITH THEIR PIPELINE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO SO. LIKE ONCE THAT ON HIS PROPERTY. YEAH. MIKE HAS A CONTRACT WITH THE BATTERY COMPANY. SO YOU KNOW THERE'S VERY LITTLE WE CAN DO. WE. BRIAN JONES OUTSIDE OF BRIAN JONES HAS A CONTRACT WITH ANOTHER BATTERY COMPANY FOR A MUCH SMALLER PORTION ON HIS PROPERTY. SIMILAR, SIMILAR TO THE R PLUS. I JUST KNOW THE BATTERY PEOPLE SAID IT WOULD SAVE THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO MOVE FURTHER TO THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. SO MAYBE THEY WOULD TALK TO MIKE A LITTLE MORE. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVEN'T BEEN JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE THAT THAT THAT WOULD WORK OUT SO MUCH BETTER FOR US. ONE UPDATE I CAN GIVE YOU IS THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH A COMPANY WHO DOES INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF THE PROPERTY THAT FRONTS NEW BINGHAM AND U111, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY LENDS ITSELF TO BE INDUSTRIAL. AND SO WE HAVE A GROUP THAT IS ANXIOUS TO START DOING PROJECTS THERE WITH US. 
          COOL. I LOVE THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING IT. THANK YOU. THANKS, ROSS. ROSS. ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS? OH YES. BRING IT UP WITH THIS LAST ITEM WITH MR. DINSDALE. BUT IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO, IF HOUSE SIZE OR ARCHITECTURE OR ANYTHING IS A CONSIDERATION FOR THE COUNCIL FOR FUTURE PROJECTS, CORRECT ME IF DUNCAN, IF YOU IF THE DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN DENSITY, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESTRICT IT. BUT IF YOUR STATUS QUO OR LESS DENSE, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I KNEW WE COULDN'T. NOW MY QUESTION WAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S SELLING FOR. I DIDN'T KNOW IF BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY THAT ZONE. IF THEY WERE IF WE WERE LOCKED INTO THAT OR GRANDFATHERED IN THE EXISTING GRANDFATHERED IN. NO, YOU CAN RESTRICT THE HOUSE SIZE. YOU USED TO HAVE A THROUGH E OR F, YOU CAN REQUIRE A MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, A MINIMUM SIZE. YEAH. AND THAT'S IN OUR CODE NOW WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD. YEAH, YEAH. 
          STATE 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO CHANGED THE STATE LAW. SO WE HAD MINIMUM HOUSE SIZES. WE NEVER HAD MAXIMUM HOUSE SIZES. THAT WAS A POINT OF CONSIDERATION FOR THE COUNCIL. OKAY. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN INCREASE IN DENSITY. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          IT'S GOOD TO KNOW. RIGHT. I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET TO THAT. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER BUSINESS ITEMS, I'LL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT AT
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