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          THE WHOLE MEETING TO ORDER TODAY IS RECORDING IN PROGRESS. TODAY IS TUESDAY, JULY 28TH. IT IS 4:00 PM. PRESIDENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. HARRIS. JACOB. SAM. WHITELOCK. KEN. KEN. COUNCIL MEMBER. KENT. OH MY GOSH. OH MY GOSH. AND BOB IS EXCUSED TODAY. OUR FIRST DISCUSSION TOPIC IS 
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 Discussion of Sponsoring a Jackalope Block Party Event to be Held in August 2027 at Ron Wood Park ]
TO A DISCUSSION OF SPONSORING A JACKALOPE BLOCK PARTY EVENT TO BE HELD IN AUGUST 2027 AT RON WOOD PARK. SO CORBIN, YOU ARE UP. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HOSTING THE JACKALOPE FESTIVAL. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE FOLKS FROM JACKALOPE. MIKE DEFORGE IS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF TRIBU. THIS IS THE PRODUCTION COMPANY THAT PUTS ON JACKALOPE. HE IS ONLINE WITH US FROM MONTREAL, AND HE'LL WILL TURN SOME TIME OVER TO HIM IN JUST A SECOND. CLAY PARTAIN IS WITH US FROM THE SPORTS SALT LAKE DIVISION OF VISIT SALT LAKE, THE SALT LAKE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU FOR THE COUNTY. THEY ARE A PARTNER WITH US IN THIS PROPOSAL, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE IN JUST A SECOND. FIRST, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHY. WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENT. THROUGH THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. WE'VE GONE TO RETREATS AND WE'VE HAD COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW CAN WE GET MORE RECOGNITION FOR WEST JORDAN, HOW CAN WE GET A BETTER IDENTITY OF OUR COMMUNITY? HOW CAN WE GET THE RECOGNITION OF OUR SIZE? WE'RE THE THIRD LARGEST CITY IN UTAH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SPORTS VENUE. ARE THERE SOME THING, A STADIUM OR AN ARENA? WHAT CAN WE DO TO BRING PEOPLE INTO OUR COMMUNITY? WE WE WORKED ON THAT, FRANKLY. WE TALKED WITH CLAY ABOUT THAT OR OUR DESIRE TO HOLD SOME SPORTING EVENTS AND SPORTS. SALT LAKE STARTED FEEDING US IDEAS. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SEVERAL OF THEM. WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT SEVERAL. AS YOU KNOW, WE RECENTLY APPROVED AND ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH A PROFESSIONAL MOUNTAIN BIKING RACE THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR NEXT. IT'S NOT QUITE AUGUST, A MONTH AND A HALF IN SEPTEMBER. THIS. 
          HOWEVER, THIS JACKALOPE FESTIVAL WAS THE BIGGEST KIND OF PROPOSAL WE. WE SAW THAT WASN'T VENUE SPECIFIC. IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT CAN WE DO THAT WILL GET A LOT OF EYEBALLS ON OUR CITY BUT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT STADIUM OR THAT ARENA CONCERT VENUE. JACKALOPE FESTIVAL IS AN ACTION SPORTS BASED FESTIVAL THAT COMES TO A CITY. IT'S NON TICKETED, IT'S FREE, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND IT'S FESTIVAL ATMOSPHERE. COUNCILMAN SHELTON, COUNCIL MEMBER WIGNALL WENT TO MISSISSAUGA, CANADA RECENTLY JUST OUTSIDE OF TORONTO, TO VIEW THE JACKALOPE FESTIVAL, AND THEY CAN CHIME IN ON THEIR THOUGHTS AND OBSERVATIONS. BUT WE STARTED TALKING TO JACKALOPE TO SEE WILL THIS WORK. CAN WE MAKE THIS ONE HAPPEN IN WEST JORDAN? DO WE HAVE THINGS HERE THAT WOULD WORK TO CREATE AN ADVANTAGE FOR BEING HELD IN OUR CITY AT A LOWER PRICE, OR AT A BETTER OPPORTUNITY THAN OTHER CITIES? AND CAN WE LEVERAGE THE INVESTMENT WE'VE MADE IN THE PARK, THE WHEELS PARK AREA, TO BRING PEOPLE INTO OUR COMMUNITY? THAT'S WHY WE STARTED TALKING TO THEM. IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING SIX MONTHS. WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING THIS, AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN A FEW MINUTES OVER TO MICAH, OVER ZOOM. I'LL DO THE SLIDES, AND HE WILL GIVE AN INTRODUCTION BETTER ABOUT WHAT JACKALOPE IS AND WHAT IS PROPOSED SPECIFICALLY TO WEST JORDAN. MICAH, ARE YOU ON? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME WELL, YES. GREAT. CAN YOU SEE ME OR. THERE'S NO VIDEO. NO. WE SEE THE SLIDES. PERFECT. BUT NOT YOU. PERFECT. WELL, I'M THE GUY BEHIND THE SLIDE, SO THANK THANK YOU. CORBIN. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU PERSONALLY AND CLAY, THE TEAM THAT'S BEEN BEHIND THE SCENE BRINGING ME IN. I HAD A CHANCE TO VISIT WEST JORDAN, SALT LAKE CITY AND IT WAS A BLAST. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME AND SEE MISSISSAUGA A FEW WEEKS BACK. 
          WE WANT TO SHOW YOU A VIDEO OF WHAT JACKALOPE IN VENTURA, CALIFORNIA LOOKS LIKE. IT'S A JACKALOPE BLOCK PARTY. IT'S SPECIFIC TO VERT SKATEBOARDING. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND CORBIN 
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PLAYING THE SHORT MINUTE, MINUTE AND A HALF VIDEO FROM 2026 VENTURA. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE SEEING THE IMAGE WELL, AND IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE GETTING THE SOUND, BUT BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE WATCHING AT WAS THE FIRST EDITION OF THE JACKALOPE BLOCK PARTY IN VENTURA, CALIFORNIA. X GAME WAS THERE FOR TWO YEARS. AFTER THEY LEFT, THEY REACHED OUT TO US AND WE MADE A DEAL HAPPEN FOR THE LAST THE FIRST EDITION LAST MAY, 50/50,000 PEOPLE SHOWED UP FOR THIS INAUGURAL EDITION RIGHT IN FRONT OF CITY HALL. IT WAS A BLAST AND THEY CONFIRMED THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE NEXT TWO YEARS AHEAD OF THE LA 2028 OLYMPICS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WELL, YEAH. YEAH. WATCHING THE VIDEO. PERFECT. SO WHAT YOU'RE WATCHING IS ATHLETES FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD FROM JAPAN, AUSTRALIA, FRANCE, CANADA, THE US OBVIOUSLY COMPETING. OUR EVENT IS FREE FOR THE PUBLIC. IT'S OPEN REGISTRATION AS WELL FOR THE ATHLETES. AND IT'S BEEN A BLAST. WE'RE VERY HONORED TO HAVE VENTURA AS PART OF THE TOUR. WE HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT DESTINATIONS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE PART OF THE JACKALOPE TOUR. WE HAVE MISSISSAUGA, CANADA, MONTREAL AND CANADA, BUT ALSO VIRGINIA BEACH ON THE EAST COAST, AND WE ALSO HAVE AUSTRALIA IN NEWCASTLE. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FIVE STOPS. 
          WE'RE BUILDING A TEN PLUS STOP AND SOME ARE SMALL, SOME ARE BIGGER. BUT WHAT YOU'RE WATCHING RIGHT NOW IS A COUPLE SLIDE ON THE TRAM. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE LA 2028 OLYMPICS THERE'S A LOT OF MOMENTUM TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THE THE ACTION SPORTS BECAUSE SKATEBOARDING, BOTH STREET AND PARK, THE TWO DISCIPLINES ARE GOING TO BE FEATURED IN LA 2028. 
          IT STARTED IN TOKYO. IT WENT TO PARIS TO THE GAMES, AND NOW IT'S COMING TO AMERICA IN A BIG WAY. SO IT'S REALLY GROWING FAST. AND AND THE REASON BEHIND THE OLYMPIC BRINGING ACTION SPORT IS REALLY TO REJUVENATE THEIR BRAND, BRINGING A YOUNGER AUDIENCE TO THE OLYMPIC GAMES. 
          SKATE PARKS ARE POPPING ALL AROUND THE WORLD, ESPECIALLY IN THE US. WE HAVE OVER 10,000 SKATE PARKS, AND THERE'S ROUGHLY AROUND 70 MILLION SKATEBOARDERS WORLDWIDE. WITH THE OLYMPIC MOMENTUM, THIS IS GOING TO GROW. THIS NUMBER IS GOING TO GROW. BILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO SKATEBOARDING, AND IT'S A GREAT TIME TO BE ALIVE, I WOULD SAY. SO LIKE WE'VE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH TO RUN JACKALOPE FOR 15 YEARS. THE DEMAND IS THERE. 
          WE'RE BUILDING A TOUR, AND WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO BE A PART OF IT FOR WEST JORDAN. IN A NUTSHELL, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT'S A THREE DAY OUTDOOR FESTIVAL. WE'VE TARGETED THE DATES OF AUGUST 5TH TO THE SEVENTH, WHICH WOULD BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEW CARNIVAL THAT IS GOING TO BE IN IN THAT AREA OF TOWN. IT WILL SPARK BEAUTIFUL WORLD CLASS VENUE THAT HAS AN ICONIC LANDMARK WITH WITH THE SKATE PARK, THE BIKE PARK, THE PUMP TRACK. YOU GUYS ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY IN BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS PROPOSAL IS REALLY TO CAPITALIZE ON THE INVESTMENT THAT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY AND CELEBRATE THE ACTION SPORTS COMMUNITY. BRING EVERYONE TO TOWN FOR A THREE DAY. WE'RE EXPECTING ANYWHERE FROM 5 TO 10,000 PEOPLE. IT COULD BE WAY MORE THAN THAT. I'M THE TYPE OF GUY THAT REALLY LOVES TO UNDER-PROMISE AND OVERDELIVER. I KNOW WE DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER AND UNFORTUNATELY YOU CAN'T SEE MY FACE. BUT I THINK TO CORBIN AND CLAY, I THINK IF WE'RE IN THIS ROOM TODAY TALKING TOGETHER, IT'S BECAUSE I THINK OUR REPUTATION PRECEDES US. 
          VIRGINIA BEACH, OUR FIRST PARTNER IN THE US FOR 23 TO 26. THEY RENEWED THEIR CONFIDENCE FOR 26 TO 28, AND VENTURA ALSO RENEWED FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR OVER 15 YEARS. I WOULD SAY THIS NUMBER IS VERY CONSERVATIVE. THE 5 TO 10 000 PEOPLE FOR THE WEEKEND. BUT BASICALLY IT'D BE A FOCUS ON THE VERT RAMP. YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THE INVESTMENT TO ADD A PERMANENT VERT RAMP IN THE WEST JORDAN WHEELS PARK. WE WANT TO UTILIZE THAT. WE WANT TO SHOW THE WORLD THAT YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SKATE PARK, AND MOST SPECIFICALLY, A VERT RAMP COULD BE A COMPETITION. IT'S OPEN FOR EVERYBODY. WE WOULD PROBABLY DO A BMX IN A STREET BEST TRICK, MEANING IT'D BE KIND OF A SIDESHOW THAT WOULD BE FEATURED FOOD TRUCKS, VENDORS, DJ AFTER PARTIES, AND MORE. AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SAY WITH JACKALOPE 
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IS WHERE LEGENDS ARE BORN. SO THIS IS A ONE SLIDE THAT RECAPS IN A NUTSHELL, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THERE'S A BIGGER PRESENTATION THAT WE WON'T HAVE THE CHANCE TODAY TO REVIEW, BUT I KNOW SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE ON THE TABLE, I SAW IT. THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS THE CONTENT AND MARKETING OPPORTUNITY. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT CAME TO LIGHT WHEN CORBIN AND I WERE TALKING WAS, WE WANT TO TELL THE WORLD, AND ESPECIALLY THE US MARKET, BUT IDEALLY THE WORLD, WHAT WEST JORDAN IS ALL ABOUT. WELL, I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE PHOTOS AND SOME I FOUND ONLINE. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A BEAUTIFUL CITY. YOU'RE IN A BEAUTIFUL STATE. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. SO HOW DO WE TELL THE WORLD THAT WEST JORDAN EXISTS AND IT COULD BECOME A DESTINATION FOR ACTION SPORTS? SO REALLY, THESE ARE THE THREE WAY CONTENT AND PILLARS AROUND BOOKING. SO WE WE WOULD CREATE AND RECYCLE SOME OF THE CONTENT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AROUND SHOWCASING EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY HAS TO OFFER IN THE SUMMER. 
          ATHLETE EXPLORING THE CITY. SO WHEN WE ARE DURING THE WEEKEND OF WE BRING THE ATHLETE TO EXPERIENCE WEST JORDAN IN THE SURROUNDINGS. AND THE LAST PIECE IS EXPERIENCE THE FESTIVAL, THE CITY OF FESTIVAL. SORRY, THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN SKATEBOARDING TAKES OVER WEST JORDAN FOR A WEEKEND. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHY CITY PARTNER WITH US AND WHY IT'S BEEN WORKING SO FAR. IT'S REALLY A TOURISM AND COMMUNITY PLAY. YES, THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE, HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS, LOCAL AND GLOBAL VISIBILITY. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? RIGHT NOW, OUR CONTENT IS SEEN IN 40 PLUS COUNTRIES. I HAD A FRIEND TWO WEEKS AGO WHO WAS SPENDING THE NIGHT AT A CONFERENCE IN A HOTEL IN SWITZERLAND. THEY COULDN'T SLEEP, STARTED TO PULL THE TV ON, SAW THE JACKALOPE VIRGINIA BEACH 30 MINUTE TV SHOW, FILMED SOME PARTS OF IT, AND SEND IT MY WAY. FOR ME, IT WAS A BIG PROUD MOMENT TO SAY OUR CONTENT IS IN LINEAR BROADCASTERS BECAUSE WE'LL PRODUCE SOCIAL MEDIA CONTENT OUT OF THIS ONE. IDEALLY, WE WANT TO PRODUCE A 30 MINUTE TV SHOW THAT THEN WE GIVE AWAY TO BROADCASTERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD. EVERY BROADCASTERS NEED A STREAM, A NEED, CONTENT, SALARY, EVERY SCREEN NEED CONTENT. SO WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO THE GYM AND YOU'RE RUNNING ON A TREADMILL, THERE'S A SCREEN WHERE YOU'RE AT THE AIRPORT WHERE YOU'RE TAKING A FLIGHT. WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING WITH IN-FLIGHT ENTERTAINMENT PROVIDER. THIS IS A BIG MARKETING PLAY THAT WE CAN BRING AS PART OF THE EVENT. SO USUALLY THESE ARE THE TWO MAIN REASON IS THE ECONOMIC BOOST, THE MEDIA SHOWCASE. AND IT'S BUILDING THE MOMENTUM TOWARDS THE BRAND, BUILDING THE BRAND OF WEST JORDAN BEING BEING LISTED AS SIDE WITH MONTREAL, JACOBIN, MONTREAL, MISSISSAUGA, VIRGINIA BEACH, VENTURA, WEST JORDAN, AND SO ON. IN A NUTSHELL, THIS IS THE BUDGET SLIDE. I WOULD I WON'T HAVE THE TIME TO GO DEEP ON EACH OF THOSE LINE ITEMS, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION. THIS IS A THREE YEAR PARTNERSHIP DEAL. WE CALL IT A POST TITLE SPONSORSHIP, MEANING IT CARRIES THE WEST JORDAN NAME. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S A BIG MARKETING PLAY. EVERY TIME WE WILL TALK ABOUT AND WE'LL WRITE ABOUT IT, WE'LL PRODUCE CONTENT ABOUT THIS EVENT. IT WILL CARRY THE WEST JORDAN NAME AND LOGO WHEN WE CAN. SO IN THIS 200, ZERO ZERO 0 OR 200 K PER YEAR AND COMMITMENT, IT BECOMES KIND OF A TITLE SPONSORSHIP CASE. AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE SOME OF THE EXPENSE. IT'S A FREE OUTDOOR EVENT. SO THE REALITY IS EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS. AND THE 288 BUDGET YOU GUYS ARE CONTRIBUTING TO 200 K. SO THE TOTAL IS 288. THE DIFFERENCE IS US PUTTING SKIN IN THE GAME, SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND FIND SPONSORS, AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIND LIKE CATEGORIES THAT CAN BRING VALUE, NOT JUST MONEY TO THE TABLE, BUT ALSO LEGITIMACY. SO IF WE CAN GET MONSTER ENERGY, WHICH IS, IS ONE OF OUR BIG PARTNER IN VIRGINIA BEACH, WE GOT STEEL. 
          WE GOT LOTS OF DIFFERENT BRANDS THAT ARE IN CONNECTION TO BECAUSE WE'RE COAST TO COAST IN THE US, HOW CAN WE BRING BIGGER SPONSOR TO THEM? INVEST IN THIS EVENT? BUT THE REALITY IS WE CAN'T GO TO THE SPONSOR WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT BECAUSE WE NEED THE LOCATION, WE NEED A DATE, AND WE NEED THE CORE FUNDING. THAT CORE FUNDING HELPS PAY THE TEAM THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKING ON IT FOR 8 TO 10 MONTHS LEADING UP TO IT, THE PRODUCTION COST. WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING. WE'RE UTILIZING WHAT'S THERE, BUT WE STILL NEED SOME PROGRAMING. SO A CASH PRIZE, SOME MONEY ON THE LINE FOR THE ATHLETES, SOME TRAVEL BUDGET FOR SOME OF THE TOP PROS THAT WE'RE GOING TO INVITE AND PAY THEIR FLIGHT AND THEIR HOTEL. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MARKETING BUDGET AND A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADMIN BUDGET, BUT IT ALL ADDS UP PRETTY QUICKLY AS YOU'LL SEE. THE NEXT SLIDE ALSO LINE SOME ELEMENT THAT CORBIN AND I HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED, BUT BASICALLY WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE 200 K CAPITAL AND INVESTMENT IS SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S ALREADY THERE, OR INFRASTRUCTURE OR INITIATIVE THAT THE CITY 
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ALREADY HAVE, MEANING AUDIO, LIGHT TECHNICIANS, ELECTRICITY, FENCING PERMITS, AND SO ON. 
          SOME OF THE MARKETING IS AS AN ECONOMIC IMPACT FROM INFLUENCER MARKETING, REGIONAL PRESS RELEASE OR MEDIA BUY. THESE ARE NOT HARD REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE NICE TO HAVE AS JUST AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE BUDGET, WE KIND OF KEEP IT AS LEAN AS POSSIBLE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DOLLARS THAT ARE ALLOCATED TO THIS PROJECT ARE ACTUALLY DRIVING BENEFITS AND VALUE. THIS SIDE KIND OF CAPTURE A LITTLE BIT OF THE WHY, WHY YOU GUYS SHOULD CARE AND WHY YOU GUYS SHOULD SPEND THE MONEY. WELL, YOU GOT ACCESS TO ALL THE CONTENT THAT'S GOING TO BE PRODUCED. THAT IN ITSELF IS A BIG CONTENT PRODUCTION AND CONTENT MARKETING EFFORT. 
          YOU'LL HAVE VIP PASS HOSTING OPPORTUNITIES, SAMPLING RIGHTS, YOU HAVE EXCLUSIVITY AS WELL, WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO POP ANOTHER JACKALOPE NEXT TO YOU GUYS. THE GOAL IS TO BUILD TOGETHER. I TOLD CORBIN SEVERAL TIMES, THIS IS A TRUE PARTNERSHIP IN THE SENSE THAT I BELIEVE THIS WILL WORK OR ELSE I WOULDN'T BE HERE. AND I THINK THE TEAM AROUND THE TABLE, THOSE WHO HAVE LAID THEIR EYES ON THE PROJECT SEE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY. SO IT'S A IT'S A GREAT MARKETING AND COMMUNICATION OPPORTUNITY TO BRING PEOPLE TO TOWN YEAR OVER YEAR, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BECOME A STAPLE EVENT. AND IF I RECAP EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAW, I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF INFO TO DIGEST, BUT SOME NUMBERS TO REMEMBER. AND AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY BEING CONSERVATIVE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10,000 FESTIVAL GOERS AND MINIMUM OF 500 ROOM NIGHTS AND $1 MILLION IN ECONOMIC IMPACT. SOME OF OUR EVENTS GENERATE 8000 ROOM NIGHTS AND GENERATE OVER $10 MILLION IN ECONOMIC IMPACT. THAT WAS NUMBERS FROM YEAR ONE, VIRGINIA BEACH. TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IT'S NOT THE SAME LEVEL OF INVESTMENT. WE'RE OVER THE MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, BUT WE ALSO DID SOMETHING SMALLER, LIKE YOU SAW INVENTOR AND INVENTOR, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD 5000 FESTIVAL GOERS. AND AGAIN, MY GOAL HERE IS NOT TO THROW NUMBERS FOR THE SAKE OF THROWING NUMBERS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NEW ADVENTURE. THIS IS A NEW OPPORTUNITY. IF YOU VOTE YES TO THIS EVENT AND THIS OPPORTUNITY, MY GOAL IS TO TELL YOU AND TELL THE TEAM THAT YOU HAVE A PARTNER IN ME AND IN THE JACKALOPE FAMILY. YOU'LL BE PART OF THE WORLD CLASS TOUR THAT WE'RE BUILDING. AND THESE ARE CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS. THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO GO UP. 
          THE FIRST YEAR IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO GET SPONSORS ON BOARD. BUT BY YEAR TWO AND YEAR THREE, THOSE SPONSORS ARE GOING TO COME AND HOPEFULLY THIS BECOME A DECADE LONG PARTNERSHIP. BUT WE STARTED SMALL. WE DO THREE YEARS AND WE SEE WHERE WE LAND. 
          AND IN CLOSING NOTES, I'LL SAY THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU GUYS PART OF THE EXPANSION PLAN. WE'RE IN TALK WITH MANY CITIES ACROSS THE WORLD, FROM DUBAI TO PORTO AND PORTUGAL. I'M GOING TO BRAZIL NEXT WEEK. ONE OF OUR KEY INVESTOR IS BOB BURNQUIST, LEGENDARY SKATEBOARDER FROM BRAZIL ALSO LIVED IN THE US. BOB BURNQUIST IS A LIVING LEGEND. HE'S FROM BRAZIL. WE'RE GOING THERE NEXT WEEK. WE JUST ANNOUNCED HE'S COMING ON BOARD AS A GLOBAL AMBASSADOR OF JACKALOPE. WE WOULD BRING HIM TO TO YOU GUYS TO WEST JORDAN. 
          HE HAS A MILLION FOLLOWER. HE'S A LEGEND. AGAIN, THIS IS A ROADMAP. IT'S NOT THE EXACT PHOTO. BUT IMAGINE HAVING WEST JORDAN LISTED AS SIDE WITH ALL THOSE CITIES. THIS IS WHAT WE CAN OFFER. WORLD CLASS EVENT, PART OF A GLOBAL TOUR AND STARTING SMALL AND GROWING FROM THERE. THAT'S THAT'S OUR STORY. THAT'S OUR VALUE. THAT'S OUR TEAM. THAT'S THE SUM OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS. JACKALOPE IS A TRUE COMMUNITY EFFORT. IT'S A FREE OUTDOOR EVENT. YES, THERE'S SOME COST INVOLVED, BUT WHAT THE STORY HAS TOLD US IS WHEN THE CITY BELIEVE IN ACTION, SPORTS INVEST IN MONEY. THE FOLKS COME IN TOWN AND THEY SPEND MONEY IN THE BAR, THE HOTEL, IN THE RESTAURANT. SO INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO HUSTLE TO SELL TICKETS AT THE DOOR, WHETHER IT'S TEN, 20 OR 50 BUCKS AT THE DOOR OR TICKETS, WHICH WE TRIED, IT DOESN'T PAY OFF FOR ANYBODY BECAUSE LESS PEOPLE COME THROUGH THE DOOR. IF WE MAKE IT FREE AND WE GOT THE RIGHT CITY, THE RIGHT MARKETING, THE RIGHT TEAM, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TEAM AND THE RIGHT LOCATION, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME AND THEY'RE GOING TO APPRECIATE THE EVENT SO MUCH THAT THEY'RE GOING TO INVEST IN THE BAR, THE HOTEL AND THE RESTAURANTS IN WEST JORDAN WHEN THEY'RE THERE. AND INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO COLLECT THAT TEN, 20 OR 50 BUCKS PLUS, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO THE LOCAL BUSINESS. THAT'S THE ECONOMIC IMPACT WE CAN PROVIDE AND SUPPORT. AND THAT'S THE VISION THAT WE HAD LEADING UP TO THIS MEETING. SO THANK YOU. THANKS, MICAH. LET ME TURN A MINUTE OVER, A COUPLE MINUTES OVER TO KLAY TO TALK ABOUT SPORTS TOURISM IN SALT LAKE VALLEY AND WHY SPORTS SALT LAKE IS INVOLVED. YEAH, I'LL MOVE FAST AND MAYBE WE COULD GO OVER. THERE'S A THERE'S A SLIDE ON THE END HERE. MAYBE WE'LL JUST SKIP DOWN TO THAT, WHICH REALLY KIND OF KIND OF FOCUSES IN ON JACQUES LOEB. GO ON A LITTLE BIT MORE. OKAY. YEAH, LET'S JUST STOP RIGHT HERE. AND I 
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JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO SAY, I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW MICAH OVER PROBABLY THE LAST 5 OR 6 YEARS. 
          AND I'M VERY INVOLVED ON A NATIONAL LEVEL WITH SPORTS TOURISM. I SERVE AS CHAIR ON THE BOARD OF SPORTS EVENTS AND TOURISM ASSOCIATION. I'VE ALSO HEADED UP SPORTS SALT LAKE AND BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST 13 YEARS. AND I THINK THIS IS A PHENOMENAL PRODUCT THAT THEY HAVE. AND WHEN WE'RE KIND OF GOING OUT TO THE MARKET, KIND OF TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING FOR WEST JORDAN AND THE WHEELS PARK, CORBIN HAD ME AND MY TEAM OUT TO COME LOOK AT THE WHEELS PARK WHEN YOU GUYS FIRST HAD IT OPEN. AND SO WE STARTED DREAMING. WE STARTED LIKE, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE FIND? AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT MICAH AND HIS AND HIS PRODUCT WITH JACKALOPE WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS LIKE, THIS COULD MAKE SENSE. AND A LITTLE A LITTLE AROUND THAT SAME TIME, WE ACTUALLY HAD X GAMES, WHICH SOME OF YOU KNOW, THAT WAS AT THE FAIR PARK, THAT EVENT, WHICH WAS A TICKETED EVENT, THAT EVENT BOOKED PRETTY LAST MINUTE. THEY HAD OVER 35000 PEOPLE AT THE AT THE FAIR PARK WATCHING THOSE SKATE EVENTS. I THINK OUR COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF THIS YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHIC THAT CRAVES THIS TYPE OF SPORT AND THE CLIMBING EVENTS THAT WE HOST IN THE VALLEY. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GO TO THOSE THESE SKATING EVENTS, BIKING EVENTS, PEOPLE SHOW UP IN DROVES. I THINK THIS WOULD BE A REALLY BIG HIT, NOT ONLY FOR WEST JORDAN, BUT THE GREATER VALLEY AND DESTINATION. SO THIS IS A WIN IN MY BOOK THAT I THINK THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF IT WOULD BE FELT WITH THE RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS, THE HOTELS. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE THERE'S THOSE NON-ECONOMIC NUMBER, THOSE THINGS LIKE YOUR SENSE OF PRIDE, THE SENSE OF WELL-BEING, PUTTING WEST JORDAN ON A WORLD MAP, I THINK ARE ALL REALLY AMAZING THINGS. THE POSITIVE PRESS YOU GET OUT OF THIS KIND OF STUFF. SO FROM OUR END OF THINGS, WE'RE WE'RE ALL IN. AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CORBIN TO TRY TO OFFER AS MUCH AS WE CAN SUPPORT WE CAN FROM OUR SIDE OF THINGS. SO I WANT TO MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION FROM THE PACKET SPORTS. SALT LAKE WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING $20,000 TOWARDS THIS, NOT 25. WE'RE NOT PART OF THE. YEAH, THERE'S WHAT'S CALLED THE CTA. IT'S THE CONVENTION TOURISM ASSESSMENT AREA. WE OPTED OUT OF IT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND SO THE CONTRIBUTION, THE PARTICIPATION FROM SPORTS SALT LAKE IS, IS LIMITED. WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE BOXED IN. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE USING ALL THE RESOURCES WE HAVE AT OUR AVAILABLE TOWARDS THIS. YOU WOULD BE WILLING AND ABLE TO HELP WITH OTHER LOGISTICS SUPPORT. YEAH, YEAH, WE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING. WHAT'S THAT? YOUR PACKET NUMBER IS WRONG. YES. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 75. BUT EVEN THERE. YEAH IT'S 180. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. THE PACKET NUMBER'S WRONG. IT'S 180 NOT 17288. SO THAT'S THEIR TOTAL. THAT'S THEIR THAT'S 200 FROM US. 
          OUR SPONSORSHIP WOULD BE 180 FROM THE CITY. THAT'S THEIR BUDGET NOT OUR BUDGET. YES. 
          GOTCHA. YEAH. MIKE'S GETTING YEAH. THAT'S THEIR BUDGET. OURS WOULD BE 180 FROM THE CITY, 20 FROM SPORTS SALT LAKE. AND THAT'S A THREE YEAR. OR IS THAT PER YEAR. PER YEAR. THAT'S PER YEAR. PER YEAR. YEAH. YEAH. THEY JACKALOPE FESTIVAL NORMALLY WON'T START. THEY'LL START THEIR LOWEST AT 250 FOR SPONSORSHIPS. WE'VE NEGOTIATED IT DOWN TO 200 BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE RAMP, THE ON SITE SETUP. THEY WON'T HAVE TO HAUL THE VERT RAMP FROM CANADA TO THE SITE. AND WE'LL HAVE IT PROBABLY DONE. YEAH, WE'LL HAVE IT DONE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HALF BIKE. YEAH. I DIDN'T REALIZE WE'RE OKAY, BUT THERE'S MORE THAN THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO THAT WHOLE LEFT SIDE COLUMN, THAT FENCING AND POLICE AND FIRE AND YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YES. SO 180 000 IN DIRECT SUPPORT. AND THEN IN-KIND DO WE HAVE A NUMBER FOR THE IN-KIND? NO, NOT A HARD NUMBER. IF I MAY BRING UP THE QUESTION YOU ASKED ME EARLIER ABOUT WHY PAIR THIS WITH OUR BEAT DAYS CARNIVAL THAT WE'RE PLANNING OUT THERE? THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS. ONE, WE FEEL LIKE JACKALOPE WOULD GIVE BEAT DAYS A BIG BOOST, AN ADRENALINE SHOT TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND BECAUSE THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE OUT WEST. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY CARNIVALS OR FESTIVALS IN THAT PARK, AND PAIRING JACKALOPE WITH BEAT DAYS WOULD HELP BEAT DAYS BE MORE SUCCESSFUL, WE BELIEVE. WE ALSO THINK THERE'S A GOOD SYNERGY BETWEEN THE TWO EVENTS. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD CASUALLY HAVE AN INTEREST IN JACKALOPE, OR CASUALLY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE CARNIVAL, A STRONGER INTEREST IN THE OTHER, AND SO THEY WOULD CROSS POLLINATE BETWEEN THE EVENTS. IT WOULD MAKE THE VISUALS, THE 
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VIDEO, THE CONTENT FOR JACKALOPE BETTER, AND FOR BEAT DAYS BETTER TO HAVE THE EVENTS AT THE SAME TIME AND ALL OF THE OTHER EXPENSES, ALL THESE IN-KIND SERVICES, AUDIO FENCING, TRASH, PORTA POTTIES, POLICE AND FIRE. THOSE ARE ALL EXPENSES WE HAVE TO INCUR FOR BEAT DAYS. AND SO TO DO BEAT DAYS AND JACKALOPE AT THE SAME TIME DOESN'T ADD COST ON THE VALUE IN-KIND SERVICES WE'D BE PROVIDING, BECAUSE WE'LL BE PROVIDING THOSE ANYWAYS AT BEAT DAYS AT SOME. YEAH, WE MAY HAVE TO IF IT WAS A WHOLE NEW EVENT. YES, YES, THERE'D BE A SYNERGY THERE. YEAH. JESSICA, CAN I ASK YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAW WHEN YOU WENT TO CANADA AND WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE? SURE. FIRST, I'M JUST GOING TO ADD TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THEM FEEDING INTO EACH OTHER. SO WHEN KENT AND I WERE OUT THERE, THERE THEY WERE DOING A VIEWING OF THE WORLD CUP AND THE TOWN SQUARE. AND ONCE IT WAS OVER, I DON'T KNOW. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK FUNNELED OVER? YEAH. JUST CAME OVER TO THE AND I MEAN, I'M SURE LIKE WHAT IT WAS LIKE THROUGH TRAFFIC BECAUSE WE WERE DOWNTOWN. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE, I MEAN, IT BROUGHT A HUGE CROWD OVER TO THE FESTIVAL. SO I, I DO THINK THAT HAVING THEM COMBINED OR HELP FUNNEL INTO EACH AREA, BUT I HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE AT THE FESTIVAL. IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY COOL. THEY I FEEL LIKE THE CAMARADERIE AND THE COMMUNITY IS REALLY AMAZING. 
          AND FOR KIDS WHO WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ATTEND AN EVENT LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE. I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT FOR THEM. EVEN WHEN WE TALK TO YOU ABOUT EDWARD AND I CAN NEVER REMEMBER HIS LAST NAME, THE MONSTER SKATEBOARDING TEAM MEMBER. YOU KNOW HIS LAST NAME, CORBIN. OH YEAH. EVEN YOU KIND OF FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, SO. BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE WERE UNTIL WE WENT. BUT IT WAS A REALLY COOL EVENT. WE MET JUNO AND SHE'S FROM JAPAN. I CANNOT REMEMBER HER LAST NAME, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MICAH IS STILL ON THE LINE, BUT SHE BROUGHT HER MEDAL FROM THE X GAMES AND SHE WAS SO EXCITED TO SHOW IT TO US. JUST VERY, YOU KNOW, VERY HUMBLED ATHLETES ARE INCREDIBLE. AND IT REALLY GIVES, YOU KNOW, KIDS OR EVEN ADULTS. AS YOU SAW THE VENTURA ONE, THERE WAS AN OLDER GENTLEMAN SKATEBOARDING AND HE WAS SEEMED VERY, VERY POPULAR. I FEEL LIKE SUCH AN OLD PERSON SAYING THESE THINGS, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND MISSISSAUGA REALLY PUT ON A GOOD SHOW. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING THAT THAT THEY HAD. 
          BUT I DO THINK IT WILL BE REALLY GOOD FOR SURE. SOME OF MY THOUGHTS WERE. IT WAS A VERY FUN EVENT. IT HAD LOTS OF ENERGY. THERE WAS A REALLY HUGE PARTY VIBE. BUT BEHIND THE SCENES, MICAH SHOWED US SOME OF THE THINGS THEY DO BEHIND THE SCENES TO REALLY MAKE THIS EVENT SUCCESSFUL, AND THEY PUT A LOT OF EFFORT IN. HE SHOWED ME A LITTLE BOX THEY HAVE THAT. 
          THEY USED TO COUNT INDIVIDUAL CELL PHONES AS THEY'RE COMING INTO THE INTO THE AREA, SO THAT THEY CAN REALLY HAVE A, AN IDEA AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE. THEY HAVE AN ON SITE VIDEO PRODUCTION TEAM. THEY DO LIVE STREAMING. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO THAT FOR OUR EVENT. THEY BRING IN TOP EMCEES DURING THE EVENT AND THEY HAND OUT CASH PRIZES RIGHT ON SITE TO THE CONTESTANTS AS THEY LEAVE. AS THEY LEAVE, THEY'RE PERFORMING STAGE LIKE THE THE VERT RAMP, THE HALFPIPE. WHAT ELSE? THERE'S. THERE WERE LOTS OF GREAT VENDORS. MY FAVORITE EVENT WAS THE THE VERT RAMP, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE HERE IN WEST JORDAN. IT WAS JUST INCREDIBLE TO WATCH AND CATCH THE. SOME THINGS THAT I SAW IN MISSISSAUGA THAT THEY HAVE OR HAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE IS, OF COURSE, THE WORLD CUP VIEWING PARTY WAS NEXT DOOR. THEY ALSO HAVE A DOWNTOWN. SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT MISSISSAUGA DOESN'T HAVE. WE HAVE AN AMAZING SKATE PARK, AN AMAZING MOUNTAIN VIEWS AND WE HAVE THE BEAT DAYS CARNIVAL THAT WILL BE IN WOULD BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH JACKALOPE. WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED SOME CONCERNS I HAVE ABOUT BRINGING JACKALOPE TO WEST JORDAN WOULD BE THE PARTY VIBE. COULD BE MAYBE TOO MUCH 
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FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OUT AROUND THE. ROUNDWOOD PARK. IT IS A LOUD PARTY AND LOTS OF FUN AND RAUCOUS. ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T SEE ANY PEOPLE MISBEHAVING PER SE, THAT WASN'T A PART OF IT, BUT IT WAS LOUD AND. AND SO THAT IS A CONCERN. THE PLUS SIDE ON THAT IS IT IS TEMPORARY. 
          AND THE BEAT DAYS IS LIKELY GOING TO BE LOUD ITSELF. AND THEN THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS PARKING. THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING AND THERE'S NO PARKING OUT THERE. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WELL, WHAT WOULD WE DO? AND WOULD BE PROBABLY PARKING. 
          OVER BY THE HIGH SCHOOL OR AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEN SHUTTLING ATTENDEES OVER. AND I IMAGINE THAT MAY BE CONFUSING OR DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO FIGURE OUT. SO THOSE ARE SOME CONCERNS I HAVE. BUT I THINK IT IT COULD BE A GREAT EVENT. I HAVE A NEPHEW WHO ACTUALLY MY NEPHEW'S SON, WHO'S A SKATEBOARDER, AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM. 
          I WANT TO TALK TO SOMEBODY WHO'S LIKE AND FIND OUT THE STREET CREDIBILITY. THE STREET CRED, AS THEY SAY, IS JACKALOPE REALLY ALL THEY SAY IT IS? I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF HIM YET, BUT HE SPENDS HOURS AND HOURS EACH DAY OUT AT OUR OUT AT OUR SKATE SKATE PARK. 
          AND SO YOU HAVEN'T GONE OUT THERE TO FIND HIM? I HAVEN'T GONE OUT THERE TO FIND. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY REPORT FROM MISSISSAUGA. MIKE AND THE TEAM WITH JACKALOPE. THEY NEED WE NEED TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED. THEY'RE READY TO ANNOUNCE NEXT YEAR'S SEASON, AND THEY NEED TO START MAKING. MAKING THE INVESTMENTS INTO THE LINEUPS FOR THE DIFFERENT VENUES. SO I'VE TOLD THEM WE WOULD WE WOULD GET FEEDBACK TO THEM IF WE'RE IN OR OUT BY THE END OF JULY. SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS COMING TO YOU TODAY. THIS IS NOT A OBVIOUSLY NOT A SALESMAN. WELL, OBVIOUSLY NOT A BUDGET AMENDMENT TODAY BECAUSE IT'S IN FISCAL YEAR 28. AND SO IT WOULD BE BUDGETED INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THE EXPENSES WOULD OCCUR THIS YEAR. TALK TO DENISE ABOUT THAT. AND WE WOULD BUDGET ALL OF IT INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 28. SO THERE'D BE NO NEED FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET, BECAUSE WE'LL ALL GET EXPENSED WHEN THE EVENT OCCURRED. SO THERE'S THERE'S NOT A NEED TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT NOW, BUT THERE IS A NEED TO HAVE SOME CLEAR DIRECTION ON IF WE WANT TO PROCEED. FURTHERMORE, OUR TEAM IS ANXIOUS TO START MAKING THE PLANS ABOUT BEAT DAYS. AND THIS IS A BIG PIVOT POINT ASSOCIATED WITH CORY. MAYBE COME UP AND TELL US WHAT THEY WERE ENVISIONING FOR VKAS IS. WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT WE WANTED TO TAKE SOME OF WHAT WE DO FOR THE FOURTH WESTERN STAMPEDE AND USE THAT AT BEAT DAYS, BUT I DON'T KNOW, OTHER THAN THE CARNIVAL, WHAT THEY'RE ENVISIONING. YEAH. YEAH, WE'RE VISITING. SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE CARNIVAL WOULD BE MOVED TO. I THINK WE BROUGHT THAT UP ONE LAST. YEAH. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CARNIVAL. YEAH, IT'LL BE OUT THERE. AROUND THERE WE'D SURROUND IT WITH, WHETHER IT'S MUSIC AND THINGS OF THAT VARIETY, WE WE'RE LOOKING WE'VE GOT A LIST OF OPTIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT. BUT A LOT OF IT WAS OUR MONEY THAT WE HAVE HINGES ON THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE A FEW LITTLE THINGS THAT WE CAN CATER AROUND IT. BUT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THIS, WE'D RATHER PUT SOME OF THE MONEY TOWARDS BIGGER THINGS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THIS WOULD BE THE BIG THIS IS THE CARNIVAL OUT THERE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WE'D HAVE THE CARNIVAL. WE NEED TO ADD A FEW OTHER BIGGER EVENTS AROUND IT. I GUESS MY QUESTION, CORY, IS WHEN YOU SAID WE'LL TAKE SOME OF THE THINGS FROM WESTERN COUNTY, THE CARNIVAL IS ONE THING. SO WHAT WERE THE OTHER THINGS? YES, BUTTERFLY GARDEN WAS THE OTHER ONE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS YEAR. WE HAD THAT THE LAST FEW YEARS. THOSE THAT WE'LL HAVE A COMMUNITY MARKET, FOOD TRUCKS OUT THERE SIMILAR. BUT THAT'S THOSE ARE REALLY THE BIGGER THINGS. OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING. SO NOT NOT THE STAGE PERFORMANCES THAT WE DID THIS YEAR. WE'RE STILL PLANNING MUSIC. YEAH, WE'RE STILL PLANNING MUSIC OUT THERE. YES. PART OF THAT 100,000 WOULD BE MUSIC WE WOULDN'T DO AND WE WOULDN'T. SORRY. EXCUSE ME. WE WOULDN'T DO MUSIC HERE. THERE'S NO CARNIVAL, NO VENDORS. NO. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET FROM YOU AT WESTERN STAMPEDE. ARE WE JUST HAVING A PARADE AND A RODEO PARADE? RODEO? FIREWORKS, AND THAT'S IT. 
          THAT'S THE PLAN. SO THERE WON'T BE THINGS AT THE PARK. SO THE THINGS THAT WE HAD AT THE PARK WILL NOW TRANSITION TO BEAT DAYS. MOST OF THOSE. YEP. LIKE THE VENDOR, THE VENDOR FAIR. 
          THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DOING. THEY HAVE CONFLICTING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO 
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SEE IF THERE'S OTHERS AS WELL. SO YEAH, YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE WORKING WITH THAT VENDOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME DATES ALREADY TIED UP IN AUGUST. SO A LOT OF THOSE, THAT'S WHY I SAY IT'S TRICKY TO ANSWER BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MANY AS WE CAN WITHOUT A LOT OF THOSE VENDORS ARE HAPPY TO HAVE PLACES TO SELL THEIR STUFF. SO, I MEAN, DO IT OR BOTH DO BOTH WESTERN AND. SORRY, COREY, I WANT TO CLARIFY, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD, ON THE 4TH OF JULY, WE'D DO THE FIREWORKS AND WE DO A CONCERT ON THE STAGE WITH FIREWORKS. STILL, WE WEREN'T PLANNING ON THAT, BUT WE. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO, WE COULD. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE WE JUST WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT. NO NO NO. FIREWORKS. YEAH. IT'S KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE WE JUST BUILT ONE IN VETERANS. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE ONLY REAL TIME THAT IT'S USED AND SHOWS OFF. YEAH. AND THERE'S A FEW OPTIONS LIKE WE DID WITH THE WILLOWS PARK. 
          WE ALREADY HAD IT ON THE DUMP TRUCK BED. I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY EVEN DOING THE MUSIC OVER THERE SIMILAR TO THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S JUST AN OPTION. WHAT ARE THE HOURS THAT THIS EVENT, THIS JACKALOPE THING? MICAH, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? YES. SO THE EXACT HOURS ARE NOT FINALIZED, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DATES WOULD BE IT'S MODELING THE SAME SCHEDULING AS THE CARNIVALS, MEANING IT'S THURSDAY EVENING, FRIDAY EVENING AND SATURDAY ALL DAY. AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT COULD END UP AT 8 OR 9 P.M. OR IF WE WANTED TO EXTEND TO 10 P.M. THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE A HARD REQUIREMENT FROM OUR SIDE. WE WOULD JUST PROBABLY MIRROR THE PROGRAMING OF THE CARNIVAL TO, TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAMING. AND I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE WEREN'T THERE YET TO THE EXACT START AND FINISH THAT TYPICALLY WE WOULD DO 5 TO 9 P.M. THURSDAY AND FRIDAY AND PROBABLY ALL DAY SATURDAY, MEANING NOON TO 9 P.M. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS FLEXIBLE AND IT DEPENDS ON THE FINAL SCHEDULE OF THE CARNIVAL. THANK YOU. I JUST NEED TO SAY THIS. I THINK WHEN MOST OF US WERE SAYING WE WANTED TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE CITY, I WAS ENVISIONING A SPORTS ARENA SOMEWHERE THAT PEOPLE COME WEEKLY, YEARLY, NOT JUST FOR A ONCE A YEAR EVENT. RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHEN WE KEPT SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE A BASEBALL TEAM OR A SOCCER TEAM, FOOTBALL TEAM, SOME A VENUE LIKE REALE OR THE DELTA CENTER OR WHATEVER. 
          RIGHT? I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS. I THINK IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. AND YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT MONEY. SO I THINK IT'S A TON OF MONEY. THAT'S THAT'S OVER A DOLLAR A RESIDENT. THAT FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, A FEW PEOPLE TO COME IN AND ENJOY. MY BIGGER CONCERN IS, OKAY, WE DO THIS. 
          AND WHEN WE SIGN UP FOR THREE YEARS, RIGHT? EVEN IF WE DO IT FOR A DECADE, THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO BEAT DAYS? I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THAT THIS IS COMBINED WITH B, A, S, AND THEN WHEN THIS GOES AWAY, OR IF SOMETHING OCCURS AND THIS DOESN'T OCCUR, THEN B DAYS IS GONE ALSO BECAUSE WE PAIRED THEM. AND THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE WITH PAIRING THEM. I CAN SEE THE ADVANTAGE OF WELL WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE THE GARBAGE. AND, AND I THINK IT MAKES SENSE THAT IF YOU'VE GOT TWO EVENTS GOING ON, THEN YOU'RE DRAWING MORE PEOPLE AS FAR AS THEM STAYING IN OUR HOTELS AND GOING TO OUR BARS, I CAN ONLY THINK OF 3 OR 4 BARS. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S THOUSAND BARS. YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO DO MUCH FOR WEST JORDAN. IS IT? MY BIGGER CONCERN IS THAT PEOPLE IN OUR STATE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE THIRD LARGEST CITY. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD KNOWING. I'M WORRIED ABOUT A LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR NOT KNOWING. DOES THIS HELP SHEET THAT THAT I DON'T KNOW. THE GOVERNOR MIGHT WANT TO COME OUT. 
          YEAH. WELL, THAT'S THE THING I WAS THINKING TOO, AS FAR AS BRANDING GOES, LIKE WEST JORDAN, I SEE THE SLIDE WITH THE MAP AND, YOU KNOW, VENTURA AND WHATEVER. THAT'S JORDAN. WE ARE SO IT'S SO CUTE HOW WE WANT TO PLAY ON THE BIG STAGE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS. YEAH. THAT ONE. YEAH. WE'RE NOT REALIZING JORDAN AND DUBAI CAN'T BE RIGHT. YEAH. WEST JORDAN IT'S LIKE THOSE T SHIRTS YOU USED TO GET USED TO SEE IN HIGH SCHOOL THAT HAD LIKE PARIS, LONDON, NEW YORK, AMSTERDAM, MOAB. YEAH. WEAR THOSE SHIRTS. IT WAS. THEY'RE JUST SO CUTE, RIGHT? 
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IT'S CUTE IN THE WAY THAT WE JUST GOT THE OLYMPICS AND WE'RE NOT EVEN CALLING THE OLYMPICS THE SALT LAKE CITY OLYMPICS. WE'RE CALLING THEM UTAH BECAUSE AT LEAST PEOPLE HAVE HEARD OF UTAH, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE OLYMPICS THAT WERE THE SALT LAKE CITY OLYMPICS IN 20 IN 2002, NOW THEY'RE THE UTAH 2034 IS THE BRANDING, RIGHT? BECAUSE BECAUSE UTAH JAZZ FESTIVAL. 
          UTAH. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S GOING TO DO MORE TO UTAH THAN IT IS TO BRAND JORDAN. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THAT'S FINE. I WOULD LOVE I WOULD LOVE FOR WEST JORDAN TO, TO GET A NAME FOR ITSELF FOR SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS TO BE A CATALYST FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CART BEFORE THE HORSE A LITTLE BIT THERE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. AS FAR AS ROUNDWOOD PARK, THERE'S A LOT BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW CONSTRUCTION WISE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT 10,000 PEOPLE AT HOLLYWOOD PARK. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR 10,000 PEOPLE AROUND THE PARK, RIGHT? HOW MUCH OF THAT, HOW MUCH OF THAT CONSTRUCTION, THAT PARK CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO BE DONE AND ABLE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE LIKE IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT'S ALL BRAND NEW SOD, WE GOT PROBLEMS, RIGHT? GOOD QUESTION. 
          SO ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW WILL BE DONE BY THIS TIME, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EVENT OCCURRING IN AUGUST OF 2027. NOW A YEAR FROM NOW. YEAH. 
          YOU'RE FROM NEXT WEEK. THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S ALL UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW WILL BE DONE AND OPEN. THE GRASS WILL BE GRASS WILL BE WHAT I WANT TO CALL IT. SETTLED IN BY THAT POINT, ESTABLISHED. THE PARKING LOTS WILL ALL BE DONE AND EVERYTHING THE THE TEN 000 PEOPLE ATTENDEE NUMBER. THAT'S BIG AND SCARY. IF IT'S ALL AT ONCE, REMEMBER IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER THREE DAYS. UNDERSELLING IT. YEAH, IT MAY BE THOUSAND PEOPLE EVERY HOUR. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS IT IS SPREAD OUT OVER TIME AND GEOGRAPHICALLY. SO IT IS A A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME MOMENT NECESSARILY. AND SO I THINK THAT HELPS US MANAGE SOME OF THE EVENT FLOW AND PARKING. WE LIKELY WOULD NEED TO RUN SOME SHUTTLE PARKING OVER TO THE HIGH SCHOOL AREA, OR POSSIBLY USE OUR PROPERTY NEAR 90TH AND 56TH AS SOME OVERFLOW PARKING POSSIBLY. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PARKING AT THE PARK AREA THOUGH AS WELL. DIRECTLY ON THE SITE. WHERE THE REC CENTER WILL GO SOME DAY. THAT KIND OF AREA, IF LUCK WOULD HAVE IT. WE HAVE THIS LARGE AREA OF LAND THAT CAN BE PARKING. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE COME TO THE CARNIVAL HERE THAT. OH, PEOPLE, I CAN GET YOU NUMBERS AS FAR AS SALES, BUT WE DON'T GET NUMBERS. THEY JUST GIVE US THE TICKET SALES. BUT I CAN GET THAT. YEAH, NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. THIS YEAR WAS OUR OUR HIGHEST. UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE MAKING A DECISION IN THE NEXT FIVE MINUTES. LET ME SEE IF I CAN. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THOSE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I'M JUST TRYING TO TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF THE SCALE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW THE RODEO ARENA SEATS 4000. CLOSE TO FIVE. YEAH, CLOSE TO FIVE. SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TALKING ABOUT THREE NIGHTS OF RODEO, THREE NIGHTS OF THIS, HOPEFULLY ON PAR ISH. 
          BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE AT THE CARNIVAL THAT AREN'T AT THE RODEO. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THAT MANY, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE THOUSAND AT THE CARNIVAL AT ANY GIVEN TIME, I WOULD THINK. ON THE POPULAR NIGHTS. RIGHT. AND WE MANAGE THAT PRETTY GOOD HERE. WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKING HERE. THERE'S PARKING OVER THERE. THERE'S CITY HALL, PARKING, LIBRARY PARKING, 22ND WEST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE, PARKING. WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO. 
          YOU KNOW, WANT TO PROBABLY. I'M REALLY THINKING ABOUT THE MITIGATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS RIGHT THERE. THIS PARK WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED TO HOST THIS PERSON IN THAT IT WAS NOT PUT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD TO HOST THE 10,000 PERSON. I LOVED THE VENTURA THING. I GREW UP 20 MINUTES FROM VENTURA, SO. I LOVE THAT HALF PIPE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION DOWNTOWN WITH THE WITH THE BOULEVARD AND THE OCEAN. I WAS THINKING A HALF PIPE RIGHT OVER THERE AND THAT BIG EMPTY LOT RIGHT THERE WITH CITY HALL IN THE BACKDROP. SORRY, A VERT RAMP WITH CITY HALL AS THE BACKDROP AND CONSTRUCTED UP AND BUILT IT ALL UP RIGHT THERE. THAT WOULD BE COOL. NOW THAT WOULDN'T SYNERGIZE WITH BEAT DAYS AND ALL THAT STUFF. YEAH, I'D SAY MIKE, WHEN MIKE CAME OUT HERE, WE LOOKED AT 4 OR 5 DIFFERENT POSSIBLE VENUES, INCLUDING HERE AT VETS, AT THE RODEO ARENA, AT CITY HALL, AT THE AIRPORT, AT JORDAN LANDING. AIRPORT AS A POSSIBLE SITE. YEAH, WE'RE 
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LOOKING WE'RE LOOKING FOR TWO THINGS. ONE, PLACES THAT COULD HOLD IT LOGISTICALLY. TWO PLACES THAT WERE THAT SHOWED WELL FOR WEST JORDAN, THAT WERE VISUALLY ICONIC, THAT MADE FOR GOOD VIDEO IMPRESSIONS AND SO ON. WHAT ABOUT RON WOOD PARK, MIKE SUGGESTED. YEAH, THAT THE DOING IT AT THE WHEELS PARK, DOING IT AT THE WHEELS PARK AND PAIRED WITH BEAT DAYS IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO BRING THIS EVENT TO WEST JORDAN. IF WE DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE WILL SPEND A LOT MORE IN EVENT LOGISTICS, AND MIKE WILL HAVE TO BRING THE RAMP WITH HIM. AND SO OUR SPONSORSHIP WOULD GO UP. YEAH, WELL, THIS IS GOING ON AS WHEELS PARK OPEN TO RESIDENTS OR NOT. YEAH. SO ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT JACKALOPE IS THE CONTESTS ARE OPEN FORMAT. WELL, SURE. BUT CAN THEY GET ON HIS BMX BIKE? WHO WOULD RIDE OVER THERE ON A NORMAL SATURDAY. THE SKATE PARK ITSELF. YEAH. WE'LL BE USED FOR THE BEST TRICK CONTEST, BUT THE REST OF THE TIME WOULD BE OPEN. IN FACT, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE SKATING AND RIDING DURING. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE MANY VERT RAMPS IN MISSISSAUGA FOR PEOPLE JUST OFF THE STREET TO COME AND SKATE AND TRY TO SHOW OFF AS A FUN THING. I HAD HAD SOME DATA, COUNCIL ASKED A QUESTION, AND I LOOKED AT PLACER AI, THE NUMBER OF VISITS ON JULY 3RD, FOURTH, FIFTH, KIND OF THAT TIME PERIOD, THE THIRD OF 2025, THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 13,000 VISITORS. 
          JULY 4TH HAD APPROXIMATELY 32,000 VISITORS. ON JULY 5TH WAS APPROXIMATELY 18,000 VISITORS. THAT'S UNIQUE. CELL PHONES COMING INTO THE PARK. THIS IS 2025. OKAY, THAT'S I DON'T HAVE RECENT DATA. THAT'S AS FAR AS I COULD GO. I DON'T THINK THIS YEAR WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM LAST YEAR'S. BUT YEAH, I WANTED TO SAY 38,000 IS THE NUMBER IN MY HEAD. WELL, ACROSS THE THREE IT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. SO I MEAN, IF WE'RE LUCKY, WE HAVE SOMETHING ON THE SCALE OF OUR CARNIVAL. WE HAVE. AND IT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          AND WE'VE GOT OUR CARNIVAL, WHICH IS GOING TO ATTRACT A CERTAIN AMOUNT. AND THIS EVENT, WHICH IS GOING TO ATTRACT A THERE'S GOING TO BE CROSSOVER, BUT THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE A UNIQUE SUBSET, RIGHT? THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO SUBSETS. IT'S A VENN DIAGRAM, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE FROM THIS EVENT, 10,000 PEOPLE AT OUR CARNIVAL. SO YEAH, YEAH. 
          ANYWAY, THESE ARE THE THOUGHTS IN MY HEAD. THERE IS MORE PARKING AT ROBINWOOD THAN THERE IS AT VETS FOR COMPARISON'S SAKE. WELL, THAT'S TRUE, BUT WE'VE GOT LOTS OF PARKING AROUND. YES. AND IT TRACKS THE TRACKS IS WHAT'S NICE. ONE THING I'LL SPEAK FOR IS JUST, I'D LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE HOPING FOR OR ASKING FOR, BUT IT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND I THINK THAT IT WILL HELP US TO GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE AS A CITY. BUT IT'S JUST A STEP. IT'S NOT PANACEA. RIGHT? SURE. YEAH. AND I THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M KIND OF LEANING IS LIKE, THERE'S A LOT ABOUT THIS THAT I GO REALLY, REALLY. BUT IT IS, IT IS. AND IF WE, I THINK SAYING NO IS THE WRONG DIRECTION, WE SAY NO TO THIS, THEN WHAT FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES WOULD WE ALSO BE SAYING NO TO? I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S I THINK THAT I THINK IT'S GOING TO OPEN DOORS. SALT LAKE SPORTS CONSORTIUM THING. I REMEMBER THAT VOTE A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND I WANTED TO JOIN. WE DIDN'T. I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING BIG FOR YEARS NOW, AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. AND I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE COST IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A QUESTION, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT THE EVENT ITSELF AND HAVING IT AROUND THE PARK IS A PROBLEM. IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW HOW DO YOU PAY FOR IT? YEAH, IT'S MORE A QUESTION OF HOW. AND FORTUNATELY, WE'VE GOT GOOD STUFF. WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE HOW. YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE HOW. YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT OUT TO HOW MANY LOTS. I TRUST TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT I AM SCARED. I AM, I'M I, I'M SCARED. I AGREE WITH CAITLYN'S COMMENT ABOUT PAIRING IT WITH FEED DAYS. IT'S NOT WHAT I IMAGINED FOR BEAT DAYS, AND I'M SORT OF SCARED ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO BEAT DAYS IF IT WERE TO GO AWAY. SO I ECHO THAT THOUGHT. I COULD ALMOST PROP UP BEAT DAYS AND THEN IF IT DOES GO AWAY, THEN WE MAKE BEAT DAYS DIFFERENT, BUT PEOPLE WILL FILL IT IN WITH SOMETHING ELSE. WELL, 
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AND THE NICE THING ABOUT DAYS IS IF FOR SOME REASON THAT FLOPS, WE CAN ALWAYS JUST GO PUT IT BACK ON THE FOURTH AND GO BACK TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. AND IT'S BEEN WORKING. I THINK THE MAIN THING WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WAS, WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THE WEST SIDE? RIGHT? THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA. SO I'M SURE THE WEST SIDE PEOPLE WILL BE EXCITED. TEN 000 PEOPLE, THEY MIGHT HAVE. THAT'S GREAT. I AM ALSO SCARED ABOUT PARKING, BUT I TRUST STAFF. WE DID DO JUST RECENTLY DID THAT OVERNIGHT SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT FIRST EVER RIGHT THERE. DIDN'T GET A SINGLE COMPLAINT SINCE THEN. AND IT WAS IT WAS LOUD. THEY HAD MUSIC. THE MAYOR WAS THERE DANCING. LIGHTS WERE ON ALL NIGHT TILL ABOUT SIX COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE DANCING THOUGH. YEAH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. YEAH. SO YEAH, WE THOUGHT WE'D GET ONE. WE DIDN'T GET A SINGLE COMPLAINT AFTER. SO. INTERESTING. YEAH. SO DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD? IS THAT WHAT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION BECAUSE IF THE COUNCIL GIVES US SAYS YES, PROCEED. WE'LL START WORKING ON THE CONTRACT WITH MICAH. WE'VE BEEN SEEING THE CONTRACT OF IRONED OUT CONTRACT CONCERNS. 
          BUT THE CRUX IS THE DOLLARS THAT WE'RE COMMITTING DOLLARS INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR. IT'S THE SPONSORSHIP. OKAY. SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE A TAX INCREASE COME BECAUSE WE SAY YES TO THIS. 
          YEAH, THIS WOULD BE THIS WOULD BE ONE TIME MONEY BECAUSE IT'S A THIS IS NOT AN ONGOING PERMANENT THING. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO I DON'T KNOW. I'M GOING TO GIVE AN ANSWER IS CAN YOU COME BACK TO US TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY? AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S YOU OR MAYOR, LIKE, WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THAT. I MEAN, YEAH, WE, WE JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DISCUSS WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE USE ONE TIME MONEY OUT OF THE FY 28 BUDGET. RIGHT? I KNOW THAT'S MY SIDE OF IT. AND IT'S NOT I MEAN, IT'S NOT A HUGE I MEAN, IT'S SIGNIFICANT, RIGHT? WE DEBATED ABOUT $100,000 FOR THREE DAYS. THIS IS ANOTHER ALMOST TWICE THAT ON TOP OF THAT. SO IT'S NOT NOTHING. BUT IT'S ALSO IN COMPARISON TO THE 200, IT'S CHEAPER THAN BUILDING A SOCCER ARENA. IT IS CHEAPER THAN SOCCER. THAT IS SO TRUE. THE FUNNY THING IS, IS THE COST OF THE PARK IS NOT FIGURED INTO THIS. THAT'S ALREADY DONE. THAT'S A SUNK COST, RIGHT? AS FAR AS THAT GOES, THEN HE'S ALREADY THERE. THIS IS JUST TO USE IT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THEN? FOUR THUMBS UP. 
          OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE THAT DIRECTION AND WE'LL WORK WITH MICAH AND CLAY AND FINALIZE THINGS. BUT WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCEEDING TO HOST THIS IN 2027. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU. YES, SIR. DO YOU THINK THAT CALLING IT JACKALOPE, UTAH IN WEST JORDAN, I THINK IN THE LONG TERM THERE COULD BE A STAY THERE, YOU KNOW, STATE TOURISM OFFICE. YEAH. GOVERNOR COX CAME OUT OPENLY AND SAID THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF X GAMES AND THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS. I THINK IF WE DO A GOOD JOB IN YEAR ONE AND MAKE THIS THING SPECIAL, IT COULD IT COULD CATCH ON AND BECOME SOMETHING BIGGER SO THAT MAYBE THAT IS A PLAY. AND DO WE HAVE A COMMITMENT OF THREE YEARS WORTH OF MONEY FROM YOUR ORGANIZATION? OH GOOD QUESTION. YEAH. ARE YOU IN FOR THREE YEARS TO YOU GUYS SAY YES, I'M IN. YEAH WE'RE IN. GOOD QUESTION. WE DO HAVE THE CT RENEWAL COMING IN 28. THAT'LL BE A CHANCE FOR WEST JORDAN TO RECONSIDER THAT AGAIN. SO WE'LL COME HERE. WE'LL COME AS A SEPARATE MEETING WITH THAT OBVIOUSLY. SO THAT'LL BE THAT COULD BE INTERESTING. YOU KNOW 
          [b.
 Discussion of Harper Master Planned Community and Oneleven Phase 2 Rezones, Future Land Use Map Amendments, and Master Development Agreements]
IT'S JUST IT'S NOT TOO FAR AWAY NOW. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM IS TO BE DISCUSSION OF HARPER MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY AND 111 PHASE TWO REASONS FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS AND MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. GOT TAYLOR HERE TO PRESENT. 
          EACH OTR UTILITIES AND ROADS. SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THESE TOGETHER. A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS, AS WELL AS REZONES TO THE ZONE. SO WE'LL KIND OF MOVE FORWARD HERE SO WE CAN SEE THE THE AREAS IN QUESTION HERE OUTLINED IN BLACK. UP AT THE TOP ARE TO 
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THE WEST. THAT'S 111 PHASE ONE. THAT'S ALREADY SOMETHING THAT WE'VE APPROVED AS A COUNCIL MOVING TO THE EAST. 111 PHASE TWO. YOU CAN SEE IT BUTTS UP NEXT TO 111 PHASE ONE. AND THEN THE HARPER COMMUNITY IS MOST OF THAT PORTION. AND THEN ACTUALLY LATER IN THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT SENATE HILL. SO THESE THREE PROJECTS ALL KIND OF ARE IN THIS LOCATION TOGETHER. AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS THEY START WORKING TOWARDS THOSE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS AND ZONES. I'LL JUST GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF EACH OF THE DEVELOPMENTS. THE FIRST ONE, THE HARPER COMMUNITY, IS APPROXIMATELY 439 UNITS. LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE PROPOSING ID ZONE 216 OF THOSE ARE MULTIFAMILY. I THINK I'VE ACTUALLY MIXED THOSE NUMBERS UP. IT'S 213 OR MULTI-FAMILY, 216 SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THAT'S 49% MULTIFAMILY. SO THOSE TWO UP AND 1.82 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO HERE WE CAN SEE THEIR PROPOSAL. WHAT ARE THE AQUA TURQUOISE BLUE? WHAT ARE THOSE? THOSE ARE DETENTION BASINS. OKAY. I COULDN'T READ ANYTHING ON MY MAP. SO. SO 111 THE EXISTING 111 AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. 111 ARE LOCATED AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN. NORTH IS TO THE THAT WAY. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY WE'RE FACING. HERE IS 7400 SOUTH. THE EXISTING MAPLE HILLS PARK. NEW HOSPITAL'S GOING TO BE DOWN HERE. HERE'S 7000 SOUTH WHERE THERE'LL BE ANOTHER FLYOVER OVER. THERE'S NO PLANNED FLYOVER AT 70. SIX. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A NEW DOTS RADAR, WASATCH FRONT RADAR. THERE IS NO FLYOVER. THERE'S A FLOWER ON 74TH. IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT FOR BOTH OF THEM. 74 AND 70. YEAH, THOSE HAVE TO GO IN OR THEY HAVE TO UPDATE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. OKAY. I WAS I'VE JUST BEEN TOLD MANY TIMES THAT NO, THE BRIDGES AT 74TH, NOT AT 70TH. WE ALSO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH UDOT THAT SAYS THEY WILL PUT THOSE IN. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO ALTER THAT AGREEMENT AS WELL. 
          INTERESTING. OKAY. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PARTIAL DESIGN ON THE 70TH ONE AS WELL, WHICH WHEN WE WERE DESIGNING THIS ROAD, 400 WEST ORIGINALLY, THEY WERE SHOWING IT COMING IN FARTHER DOWN HERE. WE MOVED IT AS FAR AS WE COULD TO THE WEST TO GIVE US AS MUCH ROOM AS WE COULD HEAR, AS WELL AS AVOIDING ALL OF THE TOPOGRAPHY. AND THIS ALSO LINES UP WITH THE LAST ROAD IN SKY RANCH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN UNINCORPORATED SALT LAKE COUNTY, BUT THAT WILL BE WEST JORDAN PROPERTY EVENTUALLY AS WE ANNEX THAT. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE AREA THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED? OKAY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY THEY'RE SHOWING LOT SIZES HERE. AND THEN THEIR MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT FOR THE, WHICH WOULD BE THEIR ADJACENT TO MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR KIND OF IN THE BOTTOM. SO MOVING TO 111, PHASE TWO, THIS IS 28 ADDITIONAL ACRES. THIS WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE 111 EXISTING PLAN. SO THAT EXISTING PLAN WOULD GO UP TO 81.2 ACRES TOTAL. IT'S AN ADDITION OF 163 ADDITIONAL UNITS, WHICH WOULD TAKE THE TOTAL OF ALL OF 111 UP TO 476. THIS WOULD INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OF SINGLE FAMILY FROM ABOUT 29% OF 111 TO JUST OVER 30 PERCENTAGE OF SINGLE FAMILY. YEAH, YOU'RE ADDING MORE MULTIFAMILY THAN SINGLE FAMILY, AND YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OF SINGLE FAMILY BY ADDING MORE MULTIFAMILY THAN SINGLE FAMILY. 
          SO IF YOU DO THE 300, SORRY, 157 OUT OF 476 TOTAL UNITS, IT'S 39. IT'S 32% OF UNITS. IF YOU DO THE PREVIOUS NUMBER, I CHECKED THE MATH LIKE FOUR TIMES. THE INITIAL BLUSH. YEAH. 
          OKAY. KEEP GOING. SORRY. AND THIS ALSO INCLUDES 1.91 ACRES OF NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON TOP OF WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE FIRST 111. SO HERE WE CAN SEE 111 WHICH HAS BEEN APPROVED 
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IS OVER HERE. SO THE RED LINE KIND OF GOES THROUGH. SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE. ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE LIKE ABOUT THIS IS THIS IS THE INTEGRATED HOUSING ZONE. AND AS MUCH AS WE TRIED, WE GOT DIFFERENT UNITS OVER HERE. IT WAS STILL PRETTY POSITIVE BETWEEN MULTIFAMILY ON THIS SIDE AND SINGLE FAMILY OVER HERE. SO WITH THEIR NEW PHASE, THEY ARE KIND OF FLOPPING THAT AND BRINGING SOME SINGLE FAMILY DOWN IN HERE AND MULTIFAMILY WITH SOME TWIN LOTS AS WELL, ARE MOVING UP THERE. SO WE ARE INCREASING THE INTEGRATED NATURE OF THAT, WHICH WE AS STAFF FEEL LIKE IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE. THIS IS ALSO A REALLY GOOD ONE BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE MAJOR ROAD LAYOUT OF HARPER COMMUNITY. SO HERE'S 74 AND 70TH HOW THOSE TWO ROADS WILL WORK TOGETHER. WE REALLY WERE TRYING TO GET SOME SORT OF CONNECTION HERE, BUT THE SLOPE ISSUES JUST AREN'T TOO SIGNIFICANT. SO THIS SLOPE. 
          YEAH. SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET A ROAD THROUGH THERE. BUT THIS IS HARPER. HARPER COMMUNITY PARK AREA GOES THROUGH HERE. THERE WOULD BE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THOSE PARKS. 
          SO WE WOULD INTEGRATE IT THAT WAY. BUT IT'S JUST NOT A LOCATION WHERE WE FELT LIKE WE COULD MAKE A REAL CONNECTION. I DON'T SEE A PARK AREA ON THE HARPER ON THE HARPER PLAN, JUST THAT GREEN SPACE. SO THIS IS THE THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE RIGHT HERE, GREEN SPACE AND COME DOWN INTO HERE THAT LOOKS LIKE HOUSES. THIS IN THE MIDDLE. OKAY. OH PARKING STRIP. OKAY. HOW WIDE? I WAS LIKE BACKYARDS. I MEAN. SO I MEAN, PROBABLY ABOUT 100FT DEEP. 
          SO THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 150FT DEEP. OKAY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M I MEAN, SO WHEN YOU SAY WHEN YOU SAY PARK, IT DOESN'T REALLY SCREAM PARK THAT SCREAMS A WALKWAY. LIKE IT MIGHT BE GREEN, BUT IT DOESN'T SCREAM. WHAT WILL IT BE USED FOR? WELL, I THINK THAT'S ALL GREAT FEEDBACK FOR THE DEVELOPER. AND I THINK YOU CAN ASK FOR WHAT TYPE OF AMENITIES YOU WANT THERE. IF THIS IS NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN THROUGH REVIEWS YET. WE'RE COMING TO GET THE COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK, SO IF THERE ARE CONCERNS, NOW'S A GREAT TIME TO HEAR IT. COOL. ARE YOU MR. DO YOU GET MORE? I CAN STOP AND KEEP GOING. SO THE STAFF ANALYSIS ON THESE TWO PROPOSALS ARE. FIRST, THE THE NEW PHASE OF 111 IS A BETTER JOB OF INTEGRATING THE SYSTEM. PHASE ONE HARPER 111 HAVE WORKED WELL TO TO ALIGN THE ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT. THE LINEAR PARK THROUGH HARPER PITT WOULD NEED TO INTEGRATE BETTER WITH 111, AND IT SHOULD ALSO CONTINUE TO TIE INTO THE MAPLE HILLS PARK. WE ALSO FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO EXPAND OUR VISION AND ALIGN THE OPEN SPACES IN THE HILLS, WHICH WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN INTEGRATED TRAIL SYSTEM WHICH GOES THROUGH ALL OF THESE. SO WE COULD ACTUALLY CROSS MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR AT THOSE BRIDGES AND TIE ALL THE WAY UP INTO. 
          EVENTUALLY YOU WANT 11 AND CROSSING OVER INTO RAIN. SO THERE COULD BE A, A COHESIVE WALKING TRAILS PATH THAT YOU COULD GET FROM TERRAIN INTO THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE CITY WITHOUT HAVING TO GO OFF TRAIL. IS THERE A CONNECTION OF THE TRAIL GOING TO THE EAST? SO WE HAVE TRAILS WHICH GO TO THE INTERSECTIONS. AND SO WE HAVE SOME LARGER SIDEWALKS NEXT TO. 
          RIGHT HERE. I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE AND SEE HOW A TRAIL HERE WE HAVE A TRAIL HERE. SO TIE THE TRAIL SYSTEMS INTO THOSE. DO WE NEED TO WORK MORE ON, IN OUR OPINION, MAKING SURE WE HAVE CONSISTENCY SO WE CAN GET THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY FROM TRAIN ALL THE WAY THROUGH OR FROM COPPER HILLS UP TO TRAIN. WHAT'S THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR CONDOS? SO DEPENDS ON THE BEDROOM. AT ONE BEDROOM, IT'S ONE AND A HALF PARKING STALLS PER UNIT, PLUS A QUARTER OF A GUEST STALL. FOR EVERY BEDROOM YOU ADD. YOU HAVE ANOTHER HALF PARKING STALL. AND HOW MANY ARE WE ALLOWED? ARE WE DOING? SO WE HAVE NOT EVALUATED OUR OUR STAFF NOTE IS WE HAVE ERCS IN THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO AN ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES. ANYTHING ABOVE THOSE. IT'S ON THE DEVELOPERS TO FIND, ACQUIRE AND PROVIDE TO US. WE'RE NOT GOING TO CITY OR KEYS TO THIS PROJECT. IT'S GOING TO BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE THOSE. GREAT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OFFHAND. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, 
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BUT HARPER'S GOT ABOUT 180 ERCS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'VE ALLOCATED FOR THE EXISTING LAND USE. IN THE EXISTING FUTURE, LAND USE IS WHAT. IT'S A MIXTURE BETWEEN VERY LOW AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AS WELL AS BETWEEN LIKE THREE UNITS PER ACRE AND FIVE UNITS PER ACRE. RIGHT. AND SO WE FIGURED IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 80 OVER THE HARTFORD AREA. THAT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF WHAT THEY WOULD NEED. SO IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR 11 AS WELL. YEAH. YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU, I MEAN, THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CONDOS ARE GOING TO BE A HEARTBURN STARTER, LIKE RIGHT OUT OF THE GET GO. THERE'S, I WOULD SAY FROM MY $0.02, I WOULD THINK THE CONDOS ARE CONTINGENT ON THE BRIDGES ON 74TH AND 70TH BEING IN PLACE BEFORE THE CONDO PHASE STARTS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE. YEAH, BECAUSE AND I'M NOT ONE TO TO BE A TRAFFIC DOOMSAYER LIKE, LIKE WE OFTEN HEAR TRAFFIC CONCERNS ARE RARELY AS BAD AS THEY SAY THEY ARE. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY WAY OUT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE DOWN 6400 SOUTH AND OR 6000 OR 6700 WEST, BUT BASICALLY 6400 WEST. FROM THOSE CONDOS AND HALF THE SINGLE FAMILIES. AND I MEAN, AND THAT'S A HALF WIDTH ROAD, RIGHT? I WOULD SAY IT'S ALSO THIS WHOLE THING HAS GOT TO BE CONTINGENT ON 6400 WEST BEING COMPLETED FROM THE FROM THIS ROUNDABOUT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIRE STATION. THAT THAT'S A HALF WIDTH, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. THREE QUARTER ISH. YEAH. YEAH. A HALF WIDTH WITH A WITH A LITTLE ELBOW ROOM. YEAH. WOULD IT BE VALUABLE TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING OUT THERE. 
          I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY SAY. BUT YEAH, I MEAN IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA, BUT THIS IS THE SINGLE FAMILY OUT HERE. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          I WOULD REPLACE THE CONDOS WITH TOWNHOMES, AND YOU'LL HAVE A LOT EASIER OF A SELL AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOES. PLUS, YOU'LL NEED TO COME UP WITH FEWER IRKS. IT'S TOO BAD THOUGH, BECAUSE CONDOS ARE SO RARE. YEAH, YEAH. SMALL TOWNHOUSES, I GUESS. YEAH. LIKE WHAT? WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT RECENTLY WHERE THEY WERE SORT OF MORNING, THE LACK OF CONDOS. AND NOW HERE WE ARE. I SHOULD SAY THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE. THEY PROBABLY HAVE A LOT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THIS. IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM OR HEAR THEIR PITCH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE FEEDBACK THEY NEED BECAUSE THIS DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL SO THEY KNOW THE DIRECTION TO GO FORWARD. YOUR QUESTIONS IS, ARE WE INTERESTED IN INCREASING THE RATIO OF SINGLE TO MULTI? I AM NOT INTERESTED AND I'M FINE TO LEAVE IT WITH THE DENSITIES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. A FRUSTRATION THAT IS BUILDING IN ME IS IF I OWNED A LARGE PIECE OF LAND OR I WAS LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A LARGE PIECE OF LAND. WHEN A CITY IS DOING THEIR UPDATES TO THEIR FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THEIR GENERAL PLAN, I COME TO SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS AND GIVE MY INPUT BECAUSE I. WE DID IT AND NO ONE REALLY CAME. AND SO. I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP BEING BUILT THERE. I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF LAND. WHEN I JOINED THIS COUNCIL, THE WHOLE IDEA WAS THAT THE WEST BENCH WOULD HAVE THE BIGGER HOMES. IN FACT, SOMEONE WOULD SAY THAT HOPE A JAZZ PLAYER WOULD WOULD LIVE THERE ONE DAY. PERHAPS A JAZZ PLAYER WOULD LIVE THERE ONE DAY. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO LIVE IN A CONDO OR A TOWNHOME, ACTUALLY. 
          SO IF WE JUST KEEP BUILDING THIS KIND OF PRODUCT. IT'S GOING TO BE A CITY THAT MANY PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY LIVE HERE DON'T WANT. THAT'S I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE KNOCKED PROBABLY MORE DOORS THAN ANYONE IN THIS ROOM, IN THIS CITY. AND THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT. I GUESS I'D BETTER GO OUT MY DOORS. IT'S NOT WHAT. MOST OF THE CURRENT RESIDENTS DESIRE. AND TO ME, WHEN WE PUT OUT PLANS, THAT'S TELLING PEOPLE WHAT WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO. AND THEN IN THESE MEETINGS, WE CONTINUALLY JUST CHANGE IT. AND I THINK IT'S SAD. IT MAKES THE FUTURE 
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PLANNING KIND OF POINTLESS. SO FOR ME, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN A HIGHER RATIO IN I'D BE FINE IF WE JUST WENT AHEAD AND BUILT WHAT IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR. OKAY, JUST SOME CLARITY ON THAT. 
          THE CURRENT ZONING, IT'S THE SUM OF THE WEST SIDE ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH WE DON'T USE ANY LONGER. SO IF WE'RE KEEPING DENSITY FUTURE LAND USE MAP. YES, OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. 
          YES. BUT ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE REZONE TO. I'D STILL OR MAYBE I'LL WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LESS DENSE THAN THE. ARE THOSE APPROPRIATE LAND REZONES OR I GUESS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WOULD SAY STAYS THE SAME AT. IT'S INTEGRATED HOUSING. I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD GRASP OF LS IN THE SAME ZONE. IT JUST HAS FEWER UNITS. DENSITY. YEAH, D STANDS FOR DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'D. DEVELOPMENT MEANS DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE L STANDS FOR, BUT THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT IS LOWER. THAT'S HOW I REMEMBER IT. OKAY. SEE? I'M OKAY. THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. I'M MORE OR LESS OKAY. YOU'RE CLOSE ON THE DENSITY. THE DENSITY OF THE EXISTING MAPLES NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH IS PRETTY MUCH THAT. AT LEAST THE OLDER PARTS OF IT. 
          THE MAPLE HILLS DEVELOPMENT'S LESS DENSE, BUT THE OLDER PARTS OF THE MAPLES NEIGHBORHOOD IS ABOUT THIS DENSITY, MORE OR LESS MINUS THE MULTI-FAMILY. SO COTTAGE HOMES, I'M OKAY WITH THE THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AT 45 AND 50FT WIDTH, I ASSUME THAT MEANS I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          I'D BE REALLY HAPPY SWAPPING THOSE CONDOS FOR TOWNHOMES AND MAKING ANY MULTIFAMILY CONTINGENT ON THE BRIDGES BEING DONE. AND 64TH WEST. I DID HEAR ABOUT OPEN SPACE. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN LEGALLY DO THAT. THERE'S A TEN ACRE PARK RIGHT NEXT TO THIS. I MEAN, AND MOST OF THESE HAVE YARDS, SO I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT SPECIFIC OPEN SPACE. YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY A LINEAR SOMETHING OR OTHER. THERE IS THAT 100FT. IS THAT LIKE IT'S GOT MAYBE YOU KNOW THIS IN THE HIGHLANDS BETWEEN 67TH AND 64TH THERE RIGHT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT OF THE THE CHURCH, THERE'S A LITTLE LINEAR PARK, KIND OF THERE'S A LITTLE PLAYGROUND ON IT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A PATHWAY GOES THROUGH LONGVIEW. IT GOES THROUGH THE LONGVIEW SUBDIVISION. IS THAT ABOUT THE SAME SIZE? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? I KNOW A BASKETBALL COURTS LIKE A PROFESSIONAL, LIKE 94FT. IT'S HARD TO PICTURE PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL COURTS LAID OUT IN A ROW. THAT HELPS ME. FIELD IS 300FT. YEAH. IT'S LIKE WHAT YOU DID FOR FOX. SO DID YOU WANT THE APPLICANT TO. IT'S MORE LIKE WHAT HAPPENED. ANSWER QUESTIONS. YOU SAID CONTINGENT ON THE BRIDGES. ISN'T THE ONE AT 74TH ALREADY PLANNED? THEY'RE BOTH PLANNED. BUT THE ONE AT 74TH HAS THE HAS THE STUB ON THE OTHER SIDE ON THE COPPER RIM SIDE, IT'S STUBBED UP AND KIND OF I DON'T KNOW ABOUT READY TO GO, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE. I GUESS I'M SAYING IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALREADY PLANNED TO GO ANYWAY. SO YEAH. 
          IS THAT REALLY A CONCERN FOR YOU FOR THAT ONE. WELL, IT IS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING TO GO AND IT'S UDOT'S TIMELINE, NOT OURS. SO I'VE HEARD THAT UDOT IS NOT GOING TO PUT IT EITHER ONE OF THOSE UNTIL THE RAPID BUS ROUTES ON 56. SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THESE IS THERE THE REQUIREMENT FOR OUR AGREEMENT THAT ONCE WE GET DEVELOPMENT TO MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR, THEY HAVE TO BUILD IT. REGARDING THE RAPID BUS OR FAST BUS 56, WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE APPROVALS FOR THE STATION, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THEY'RE PLANNING ON GOING NEXT YEAR. SO THAT IS COMING. THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT BEFORE THEY MADE THE EXPANSION. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S TIED TO. SO WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AS WELL. THAT'S COOL. ON THE OTHER ONE, JUST ONE WHILE I'M CHIMING IN ON THE 111, THIS WAS THIS ONE WAS APPROVED WHEN I WASN'T HERE, SO I DIDN'T GET TO CHIME IN ON IT. SO THE 111 EXPANSION, NOT UNTIL 111 ORIGINALLY CALLED IT ONE ONE, SAYING THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS WELL, THIS ONE'S IN PROGRESS, RIGHT? IT'S CALLED 111111. BUT ALL TOGETHER THEY SHARE THE E IN THE MIDDLE. SO IT'S ON 11 OR 111. ALL RIGHT. BUT ONCE TOGETHER ONCE UPON A TIME IS 
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ONE AND THEN TWO NUMBER ONES. SO EVERY EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT OF THE RED LINE IS ALREADY APPROVED AND HAPPENING. YES. AND THIS WOULD NOT BE A NEW DEVELOPMENT NECESSARILY. IT WOULD BE AMENDING THE EXISTING MDA AND REZONING THE ADDITIONAL 20 ACRES. THE THE THOUGHT I HAD ON THIS ONE IS, I THINK IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS IS A LITTLE MORE INTEGRATED AS FAR AS INTEGRATED HOUSING GOES. WHEN I HEAR INTEGRATED HOUSING, I THINK OF WHAT IVORIES DOING OVER IN DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS, WHERE YOU HAVE TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MILLION DOLLAR HOMES AND TOWNHOMES, AND THEY'RE ALL NEXT TO EACH OTHER. OR DAYBREAK, WHERE YOU HAVE MANSION HOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY AND WHATEVER. AND THEY'RE ALL KIND OF PACKED IN AND THEY'RE ALL KIND OF IN THEIR THIS WAS NOT INTEGRATED AND IT STILL IS NOT INTEGRATED, BUT IT IS YOU'RE RIGHT. IT IS MORE INTEGRATED WHEN YOU GO FROM 0% TO 0.1% INTEGRATED. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. IT IS MORE INTEGRATED. BUT I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. THIS IS FUNNY TO CALL IT MORE INTEGRATED BECAUSE I GUESS IT KIND OF IS, BUT. 
          YEAH. ANYWAY, I'LL ASK, DO YOU WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT PARK. I DON'T WANT TO COME UP, BUT MY QUESTION IS MORE ABOUT THE ZONING. I FEEL THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT FEEDBACK TO GIVE. SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          THE INTEGRATED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ZONE ALLOWS UP TO 6.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. 
          NOW THAT'S CONTINGENT ON GOING THROUGH A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND THAT SHOULD BE TIED TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOESN'T AMEND TO MEDIUM STAYS LOW. THEN WE MIGHT HAVE TO REDESIGN THIS AROUND FIVE UNITS PER ACRE. IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS IN THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE. IT DOES SAY MY ZONE IS THE EXCEPTION IN THE BALANCED HOUSING. IT IS NOW THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS. SO THE REQUIREMENT IS 50% OF THE UNITS NEED TO BE SINGLE FAMILY. HOWEVER, IT GIVES THE COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO DECREASE THAT. TO SAY 50% OF THE GROSS ACREAGE NEEDS TO BE SINGLE FAMILY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH 111 PHASE ONE. SO THAT'S HOW WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FIRST PHASE, IT WAS ONLY 29% SINGLE FAMILY UNITS BECAUSE THE OVERALL ACREAGE WAS OVER 50%. SO WITH THIS ONE, THE THE PERCENTAGE OF SINGLE FAMILY UNITS GOES UP, BUT IT'S STILL ONLY 32% OF THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT. THE WAY THAT I WAS ABLE TO HAPPEN IS BECAUSE THE COUNCIL IS THAT THAT IS A GROSS ACREAGE AT THAT TIME RATHER THAN A UNIT COUNT. AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE WANTED TO ASK. 
          ABOUT SPECIFICALLY HARPER, BECAUSE IT'S NOT CURRENTLY IS WHICH WAY WE'RE GOING TO GO. 
          THEY'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING THAT 50/50 PRETTY CLOSE MATCH 50/50 ACREAGE OR UNIT COUNT UNIT COUNT. SO THAT HARPER THAT IS THAT'S FEEDBACK YOU WANT FROM THE COUNCIL TODAY. YEAH. SO WE WANT FEEDBACK BECAUSE THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE ZONE WITH THE MIX OF HOUSING IS THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE IF HD IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO YOU OR IF YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS NOT INTEGRATED ENOUGH, LIKE WE ARE STILL IN THE DESIGN PHASE, I THINK I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE DEVELOPERS, BUT TYPICALLY MORE FEEDBACK AT THIS POINT IS BETTER THAN NOT ENOUGH BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BRING A PRODUCT TO YOU, WHICH YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IN THE FUTURE. WE WANT TO DRAFT THIS TO, TO MAKE SURE IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN GET SUPPORT IN THE FUTURE. SO I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB ABOUT THE INTEGRATION OF THE HOUSING. I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE INTEGRATED. IT'S KIND OF A LETTER OF THE LAW, BUT NOT THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW. RIGHT? YEAH. THERE'S NO BALANCE. AND THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UNIT COUNT AND ACREAGE. 
          LIKE THAT'S THEY DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD SAY, WELL, IT SHOULD BE UNIT COUNT, BUT WE'LL JUST DO ACREAGE. IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S LIKE THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER KIND OF THING. IT'S JUST, DO WE LIKE IT? SHOULD WE JUST BE ONE OR THE OTHER? RIGHT. IF WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE, LET'S, LET'S FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE. BUT THAT IS BUILT INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT GIVES YOU THAT OPTION OF THE ORDINANCE. SO WITH 111, PHASE ONE, THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THAT THROUGH THE ORDINANCE. THE DEFAULT THE DEFAULT IS 5050 IS UNIT COUNT. AND STAFF CAN OVERRIDE THAT. ONLY THE COUNCIL CAN STAFF CAN OVERRIDE THAT. NO WE CAN'T DO WE HAVE TO DO 5050 OR CAN IT BE 75, 25? THEY GO FOR THIS ZONE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT OUR REGULAR BALANCED HOUSING IS BASICALLY. OH I SEE. SO THEY GO FOR THESE KIND OF ZONES SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE MORE MULTIFAMILY. I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK HOW TO BALANCE THAT WATER SITUATION A LITTLE MORE. I KNOW THAT'S MAYBE NOT EXACTLY HELPFUL. SO, 
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TAYLOR, WHAT KIND OF ZONE BESIDES THOSE TWO, COULD WE USE OTHER ZONES THAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST? THE PRE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT? I KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN NECESSARILY AS POPULAR SINCE WELBY WEST, BUT THAT'S ONE USE A PC TYPE ZONE. THE ACREAGE OF THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 80 ACRES EACH. SO THAT FITS INSIDE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM TOGETHER. WE NEED THE MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS. OR YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL COULD SAY, WE WANT TO SEE R-1 ZONES OR I DON'T. THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE IS TO SAY THEY'RE. SO WE HAVE LOTS OF OPTIONS. THAT'S FINE. BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OPTIONS. OKAY. I GUESS MAYBE JUST FOR CLARITY, FOR THE APPLICANT'S SAKE, WE'LL SEPARATE THESE TWO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT. 111 WITH THE ALREADY BEING, FOR THE MOST PART, APPROVED. AND WE'RE JUST ADDING TO IT. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE UNIT MIX ON THE SECOND HALF, OR DO YOU WANT TO SEE SOME CHANGES ON THE SECOND HALF? AND THEN HARPER COMMUNITY AS WELL. BUT I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT OVERALL RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF IT BEING SINGLE FAMILY. A LOT OF THAT'S ALREADY BAKED INTO WHAT'S APPROVED. SO THE TRAIN TRACKS BEING TAKEN OUT. THEY ARE AS PART OF THIS. I WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY INTEGRATED. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A UNIT COUNT OF 50, 50, 50, NOT NOT ACREAGE. I DON'T KNOW, ARE WE JUST TALKING FOR THAT? YOU'RE SAYING YES TO THE ACREAGE VERSUS UNIT COUNT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE COMES OVER MY PLATE AND ALL THIS. I DON'T RECALL THAT. BUT BUT IT'S TODAY. RIGHT NOW. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING. SO ARE WE JUST LOOKING AT THE ADDITIONAL 20 ACRES YOU WANT TO SEE BE 5050 UNIT COUNT? OR IF THE OTHERS THE OTHERS ALREADY APPROVED. AND WE CAN'T GO BACK ON THAT. WELL, YEAH, THE WHOLE THING TO 5050. YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, I THINK, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN'T CHANGE WHAT'S LEFT OF THE RED LINES. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH, I DON'T THINK, BUT I'M JUST SAYING TO ADD TO MAKE THE WHOLE THING BALANCE OUT TO 5050, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD ADD ENOUGH SINGLE FAMILY IN THE NEW PART TO MAKE IT KIND OF. WE, WE SHOULD WORK OUR DARNDEST TO GET IT THERE, THOUGH. WELL, THEN WE CAN SAY THAT FOR THIS ACREAGE, THIS ISN'T WHILE IT'S COMBINED AND IT'S ONE THING WE HAVE THE POWER TO SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THIS ZONE. WE'RE GOING TO SAY IT'S GOING TO BE AN R1 EIGHT ZONE. AND THAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO ALL BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET IT BACK UP THERE. SO WE STILL WON'T GET TO 50. NO, WE WON'T, BUT WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN SAY THAT'S THE ZONE WE'LL GO FOR. THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. HOW DO YOU FEEL? THE SAME WAY AS COUNCILMEMBER WHITELOCK WITH. BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THE SAME THAT YOU MENTIONED. AND SO I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO KEEP IT. AS AS WELL OR. MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I CAN ALMOST. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M HEARING CORRECTLY FOR THE ADDITION TO 111, THE COUNCIL, AT LEAST A COUPLE OF YOU FAVORED JUST STRAIGHT R1 ZONING FOR THAT. IF THAT'S THE CASE FOR HARPER, ARE WE OKAY WITH IT FOR HARPER? IF IT'S CHANGING FROM CONDOS TO TOWNHOMES, I THINK SAYING THAT IT SHOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT HAS TO BE. R1 DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A EUCLIDEAN ZONE, RIGHT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE YOU CAN HAVE A, YOU CAN HAVE IT AS AN INTEGRATED HOUSING AND THEN AND NOW HAVE THE WHOLE THING CONSIDERED AS THE SAME INTEGRATED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND NOW DECIDE HOW INTEGRATED IT FEELS IF IT'S 5050 ON UNITS OR IF IT'S NOT OR WHATEVER. LIKE WHEN WE DID GARDINER VILLAGE, WE ADDED WHEN THE YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THIS, BUT WHEN THE GARDINER MILL, CHAD'S FAVORITE PROJECT WAS GOING IN, THEY SAID, OH, THIS IS THIS COULD BE PLANNED COMMUNITY BECAUSE GARDINER VILLAGE IS PLANNED COMMUNITY. 
          AND THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL PART OF THAT PLANNED COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S WHY WE CAN CRAM ALL 
          [01:25:04]
THESE APARTMENTS IN ON THIS LITTLE TINY CORNER OF WHAT IS NEXT TO GARDINER VILLAGE. IF YOU LOOK AT IT BROADLY, YEAH, IT'S PLANNED COMMUNITY BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT A MIXTURE OF USES, BUT BY ITSELF IT WAS JUST RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING HERE IS IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO DO IT INTEGRATED HOUSING, YOU CAN DO INTEGRATED HOUSING. IT'S JUST NOW YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING AS INTEGRATED HOUSING AND YOU SAY, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AS A WHOLE THING? I MEAN, YOU SAID IT WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN. YES. SO LET'S LET'S CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN AND SEE IF WE CAN'T GET THE ORIGINAL PLAN CLOSER TO MAYBE WHAT WE LIKE FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED. I MEAN, THE ORIGINAL PLAN IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE, BUT THE AMENDMENT BRINGS IT CLOSER TO THE PRINCIPLE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET TO. SO. HOW'S THAT? SO. COUNCILMEMBER, DO YOU HAVE ANY STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THIS? SO STRONG FEELINGS. I MEAN, I MEAN, HERE'S THE THING. IT'S WE'VE ALL HEARD IN THIS MEETING, WE KEEP GETTING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A WEST JORDAN THING. 
          IT'S IT'S ACROSS AMERICA. I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE, THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, A MIX OF EVERYTHING BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD AN R1 EIGHT OR AN R1 TEN. DO I LIKE THE CONDOS? PROBABLY NOT. I THINK ZACH'S IDEA OF THE TOWNHOMES INSTEAD, JUST BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GOT SO MUCH DENSITY UP AGAINST U111 ALREADY. SO FOR ME, I MEAN, LESS DENSE IS ALWAYS BETTER, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT AREN'T CRAMMED TOGETHER. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. OKAY. JUST SPEAKING OF THE 111 PROJECT. 
          OPEN TO YOUR FEEDBACK, DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? I MEAN, WE TALKED SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS TOWNHOMES. DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? BECAUSE I KNOW IT DOES FROM A MARKET PERSPECTIVE. 
          BUT FROM THE COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY REAR LOADED HOME VERSUS A SINGLE FAMILY FRONT LOADED HOME, VERY DIFFERENT IN THE MARKET, A REAR LOADED TOWNHOME UNIT VERSUS A FRONT LOADED TOWNHOME UNIT. VERY DIFFERENT IN THE MARKET. A TWO STORY VERSUS A THREE STORY. VERY DIFFERENT IN THE MARKET. DOES THAT TYPE OF UNIT DIFFERENTIATION MOVE THE NEEDLE AT ALL? IF THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE INTEGRATED INTO A PROJECT, I THINK IT HELPS. YOU'RE ASKING. A MIX OF THOSE THINGS WOULD COUNT AS INTEGRATED AS HOW WE PLAY WITH THOSE. YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, APARTMENT BUILDING, SINGLE FAMILY HOME. RIGHT. NEXT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, PLEX. AND I THINK YOU BROUGHT THIS UP, COUNCILMEMBER JACOB BRIGHT SPIRIT OF LAW VERSUS THE LETTER OF THE LAW, RIGHT? WE WE'RE HAPPY TO MEET THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW. WE JUST WANT TO KNOW MAYBE WHAT THAT WHAT WHAT THAT MEANS. YEAH, A LITTLE BIT BETTER. YEAH. 
          WELL, I WOULD SAY THINK OF, THINK OF A PRODUCT LIKE, LIKE I WAS DOING AT DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS OR LIKE DAYBREAK OR TERRAIN, SOME OF THESE WHERE YOU HAVE WHERE IT'S TRULY KIND OF THE SPIRIT IS THAT DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS CAN LIVE NEAR EACH OTHER. YES. AND THE STORE THAT I LIVE IN, TERRAIN IS YOU'VE GOT THESE TRIPLEX HOMES THAT LOOK LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, BUT IT'S. AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO THAT, YOU'VE GOT A $1.5 MILLION SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT REALLY IS TRULY INTEGRATED. AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PRODUCT BECAUSE THEY STARTED OUT AS DAYBREAK PEOPLE. SO BASICALLY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE INTEGRATED HOUSING ZONE KIND OF ENVISIONED. YES. RIGHT. WAS NOT TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY OR WHATEVER. RIGHT? NOT NECESSARILY TOWNHOMES, BUT COTTAGE COURTS. AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES, MAYBE EVEN CONDOS. SO HAVE WE BUILT ANY OF THIS? YES. SO WE HAVE TWO PHASES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. A THIRD PHASE IS GETTING READY TO GO INTO CONSTRUCTION. SO WE'RE OKAY. SO EVERYTHING LEFT AT THE RED LINE IS ALREADY REZONED. IT'S REZONED. IT'S GOT MASTER DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AND WHATNOT, AND IT'S REZONED AS. OKAY. GOT IT. NOT I SEE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A HOSPITAL. RIGHT. I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPERS. ARE YOU WILLING TO. INTEGRATE IT MORE WITH WHAT YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY? IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY, OKAY, IT CAN BE ONE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. ARE YOU WILLING TO INTEGRATE IT MORE? ARE YOU WILLING TO INCREASE YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN IT? REPLAT THE PLOT WAS PLATTED. YEAH. SO ALSO 
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THE STAGE OF WHO EVERYBODY IS IN THE ROOM. I IS THE MASTER DEVELOPER OF PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. WE'VE SOLD PHASE ONE TO EDGE, WHO'S BEEN PLOTTING THAT AND DOING THE CONSTRUCTION ON THAT. SO THE ANSWER IS WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN STILL BE WORKED OUT ON PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO DIE IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE ROOM. AS THE MASTER DEVELOPER, WE PLAN ON SELLING THAT TO EDGE BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH INTEGRATION BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS. I MEAN, IT WAS PLANNED THAT IT WOULD EXPAND INTO THAT AREA. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT THERE WAS PLANNED EXPANSION INTO THAT AREA. SO THE ANSWER IS YES. THAT WAS THE LONG ANSWER. THE SHORT ANSWER IS, YEAH, WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THAT IS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU COME BACK TO TO US AGAIN HERE BEFORE YOU EXTEND FUNDS WITH SOMETHING THAT THAT DOES THAT. I THINK, I THINK YOU MIGHT GET TO FOR EASIER. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE AND COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB BOTH SAID CHANGING THE CONDOS TO TOWNHOMES AND I. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE. YEAH. OPPOSITE OR DON'T HAVE FEELINGS? EITHER WAY, I LIKE IT AND I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT BECAUSE IF WE'RE SAYING WE NEED DIFFERENT LEVELS, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. I HOPE WE GO HAVE THESE ON IT. I COULD MAYBE GO HALFSIES ON IT, MAYBE NOT SO FAR WEST, BUT I BUT I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY THEY FEEL THEY CAN BUILD. WELL, THE OTHERS KEEP TELLING ME THEY CAN'T. SO THAT'S ALSO OUTSIDE. ELLEN, ARE YOU SAYING RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING, THIS SHOWS ALL THREE OF THE PROJECTS LAID OUT TOGETHER? OH, I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS ONE. THAT'S THE SENATE. THAT'S OUR FAULT. WE PUT THAT EXHIBIT TOGETHER LATE, SO WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ENGINEERS. WORKED ON IT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS. I KNOW THERE'S RESIDENTIAL THERE, BUT IS THIS THE SAME THING? THAT'S THAT'S THE NEXT ONE. LIKE, WAIT, I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS YET. BUT IF YOU I'LL NEED A COPY OF THAT FOR OUR RECORDS. OH, WOW. THIS IS FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T SEE AS WELL. I CAN SEE THE SMALL ONE. 
          OH, I LIKE THIS. THIS IS NICE. AND SO THIS IS MAYBE MOVING INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SENATE HILLS. AND THE QUESTION THEY'RE NOT GOING WITH THE D. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING I0Z RIGHT. BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT TALKING ABOUT INTEGRATING USES OF THINGS AS WELL, BECAUSE THESE THREE PROJECTS ARE SO INTEGRAL. SO. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD HELP. THIS IS REALLY HELPING ME THOUGH, BECAUSE I DRIVE DOWN MOUNTAIN VIEW THROUGH HERE ALL THE TIME ON MY WAY HOME FROM DOWNTOWN OR ANYWHERE ELSE. AND, AND THE VIEW FROM MOUNTAIN VIEW, LOOKING TOWARD THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I HAVE ON MY SCREEN WOULD PROBABLY BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR CONTEXT ON THIS. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO PULL UP A GOOGLE STREET VIEW? SURE. UP THERE, THAT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE, BUT WE'LL TRY. I HAVE FAITH ON MY COMPUTER. MY COMPUTER. JUST WHAT'S THE K OR WINDOWS K OR WHATEVER TO PROJECT SCREEN? WELL, IT'S MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE WE'RE ON ZOOM AND EVERYTHING, SO JUST BEAR WITH US. WE'LL GET I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS MAP HELPS ME A LITTLE BIT MORE. I CAN SEE WHY YOU PUT THOSE CONDOS RIGHT NEXT TO THE MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR BECAUSE YEAH, YEAH, THERE'S A HUGE SLOPE DOWN TO WHERE MOUNTAIN VIEW IS. AND IT'S KIND OF IT'S NOT ONE TOP DOWN. IT LOOKS LIKE ONE THING, BUT IT'S KIND OF NOT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S THE, THERE'S THIS BIG HILL UP TO THE HARBOR. 
          PICK THAT IT'S A BIG ONE. SO I MEAN, I WAS, I GOT THE IDEA TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT INTEGRATED ONE THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF THE, YOU KNOW, DRAWN OVER THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY. AND. SO GO TO GOOGLE MAPS, STREET VIEW AND YOU WANT, YOU WANT SOUTHBOUND MOUNTAIN VIEW AT ABOUT. 7270 300 SOUTH SOUTHBOUND. YEAH. IT SHOULD BE BEHIND A SEMI TRUCK. THE SAME. YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THE PAN, JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT. SO YOU CAN LOOK UP THE HILL TO THE PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT. HANG ON, HANG ON. WE'RE GETTING THERE. THAT'S THE ONE THOUGH. 
          THAT'S THE VIEW. OKAY. GO. WHICH WAY NOW PAN TO TO LOOK TO THE RIGHT OTHER WAY. THERE YOU 
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GO. SO THAT'S THE PROPERTY. AND JUST SAYING IN FACT CLICK UP OR CLICK LIKE FORWARD ON THE STREET VIEW A LITTLE BIT JUST TO. THERE YOU GO. I THINK IT'S MOVING TO. YEAH. THAT'S THE. SO YOU SEE HOW THE CONDOS WOULD BE IN THIS DEPRESSION RIGHT HERE. YOU SEE THE HILLSIDE THAT KIND OF SLOPES UP AND AWAY FROM IT. I THINK IT LOOKS. WEIRD. YOU GOT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S YEAH. OTHER SIDE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO I THINK YEAH, YOU'RE ON THE NORTH SIDE. YEAH. THERE'S THE OQUIRRH MOUNTAINS RIGHT THERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. OKAY, SO NOW YOU GOT TO GO SOUTH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT BIG SLOPE. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO I THINK YOU CAN PUT CONDOS IN SUFFICIENTLY ON COPPER RIM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF. RIGHT. AND THERE'S THE MAPLES RIGHT THERE. YEAH. MAPLES IS THAT SLOPE WILL HAVE TO STAY THERE MOST LIKELY. YEAH. THERE'S THAT BIG THAT BIG HILLSIDE. OKAY. 
          ANYWAY, I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO SEE SOME OF THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM HARPER ARE HERE AS WELL. I KNOW THEY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM. THEY'RE THE PITS. HI, MY NAME IS DOUG HANSON. I'M ALL FOR HARPER COMPANIES. DO YOU WANT TO COME IN? YEAH. WE'RE NOT A DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, SO I'M A LITTLE GREEN AT ALL THIS, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU GUYS SINCE 2016. SO THE PLANNING JUST KIND OF GOING OVER DIFFERENT OPTIONS. WE KIND OF FLOATED DOWN AT THE TIME BECAUSE OF WATER CAPACITIES. 
          AND NOW THAT WE'RE BACK IN IT, A LOT OF THESE THINGS, I MEAN, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLANS THAT DID HAVE LESS DENSITY. SO WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY. AND A LOT OF THIS STUFF TOO, LIKE THE, WHAT WE CALL THE PARK, A LOT OF THAT, I THINK WE KIND OF HELPED WITH EVERYONE GIVES US A STORM DRAIN. IT HELPS ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IT GIVES US, YOU KNOW, MAKES ALL THE HOUSES SAFE FOR THE WATER RETENTION. SO WE'VE KIND OF MODIFIED THINGS TO TRY TO HELP EVERYONE. SO, SO THAT THAT DETENTION BASIN WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S RETAINING THEIR OWN WATER IF EVER NEEDED. SO YEAH, SO THAT THAT LONG LINEAR PARK WOULD SERVE IN A FLOOD SITUATION AS A FLOODWAY. LIKE I SAY, WE'RE REALLY FLEXIBLE. WE JUST WANT TO BE A GOOD PARTNER AND HELP EVERYONE. WE STARTED MEETING WITH LARRY GARNER BACK IN 16 OR 17. WELL, I REMEMBER WHEN OUR DENSITIES, I THINK, WERE A LOT DIFFERENT WHEN I WAS APPLYING TO BE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS 2012. AND I REMEMBER TALKING TO TOM BURDETT, WHO WAS OVER THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BACK THEN, AND HIM SAYING, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD TIME FOR YOU OUT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MAPLES NORTH IS COMING IN. AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, COOL. AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THIS. AND THAT WAS 14 YEARS AGO. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE HAD WATER TANKS. WE WOULD HAVE PUSHED IT A LITTLE MORE. YEAH, YEAH. HE WAS SAYING THAT IT WAS IMMINENT. LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THAT. ANYWAY. THAT'S RIGHT ON TIME FOR DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT? RIGHT ON TIME. 14 YEARS. THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE FOR THE DEVELOPERS ARE WE WANT THEM TO COME BACK WITH MORE INTEGRATED HOUSING. AND IN THE PARK THEY HAVE IN THE PARK, THEY HAVE TO BUILD, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT PHASE ONE, RIGHT? YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT PHASE ONE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO THERE STILL. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT YOU'D ALREADY STARTED BUILDING. THE DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED, BUT HOUSES HAVEN'T GONE. YEAH. SO ROADS MIGHT STAY WHERE THEY ARE. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PLAY WITH. 
          OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. YEAH. SO WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO COME VISIT US AGAIN WITH THE, WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT WE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY. WHAT'S THAT? BECAUSE I. 
          FEEDBACK I HEARD FROM HARPER CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WAS YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE SINGLE FAMILIES, THE CONDOS, MAYBE NOT AS MANY CONDOS AND TOWNHOMES OR MAYBE COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THE CONDOS AND GO ALL. HAVE THEM ALL THE. I ACTUALLY THINK CONDOS ALONG MOUNTAIN VIEW ARE APPROPRIATE. YEAH, MAYBE SWAP OUT THE THE ROW THAT'S INTERIOR TOWNHOMES WITH THE EXTERIOR. 
          YEAH, BUT BUT THEN WE'RE NOT INTEGRATING. RIGHT. WELL, WE'RE TELLING THEM INTEGRATE INTEGRATED EITHER. RIGHT. I KNOW, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE INTEGRATED. THIS IS 
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A THAT'S A THAT'S A PRETTY SPONGY WORD THAT WE'RE USING. AND THE MORE AND THE MORE SINGLE. YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT. TAYLOR. INTEGRATION OF WHAT WE HAVE. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF HEARING IS MAYBE THIS ROW OF CONDOS THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THE DEVELOPMENT GET REPLACED WITH TOWNHOMES. YOU HAVE SOME CONDOS AND SOME TOWNHOMES IN THAT PORTION, RATHER THAN JUST AN AUTONOMOUS. WHAT WAS THE THINKING BEHIND NOT HAVING 6700 WEST OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THIS? AS IT GETS FURTHER EAST, NOT CONNECTING THROUGH THAT PARK? WE DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE A SPEED TRAP OR A RACE TRACK. SO BY ELIMINATING THAT, WE ORIGINALLY DID HAVE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO THAT THAT CAME FROM NESTOR AND TRAFFIC CALMING WAS IF WE CAN JUST MAKE THEM GO AROUND THAT, THAT'S GOING TO DO A LOT TO CALM TRAFFIC THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HOUSES FRONTING ON THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. SO THAT'S JUST THE WAY TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN. OKAY. THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE OF FEEDBACK THEN, BECAUSE THIS IS A COLLECTOR ROAD DOWN HERE, KEEPING A COLLECTOR ROAD AND HAVE IT CONNECT. AND THAT WOULD BE A COLLECTOR HAVE 64 AND 67 BE COLLECTORS. AND THE REST OF THE. I BELIEVE THAT HAS CHANGED ON THE MASTER PLAN. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. MASTER PLAN. YEAH. MASTER PLANS CAN BE CHANGED TO SOMETHING IS CHANGING THE MASTER PLAN. THAT'S ANOTHER VOTE WE NEED TO TAKE. THAT'S WHAT THE VOTE. I WOULD JUST JUST TO INCREASE. I MEAN WE DO HAVE IN THE GENERAL PLAN HAVING ROADS CONNECT IN A WAY THAT HELPS TRAFFIC FLOW. AND I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC FLOW HERE, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PLANNING AS COLLECTOR HERE WAS THIS ONE DOWN HERE 64. YEAH. BECAUSE THIS WILL BE COLLECTED THAT GOES OUT TO THE HOSPITAL DOWN HERE AND 78. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THAT FLOWS THROUGH AS THE MAIN TRAFFIC. AND THEN HOPEFULLY THIS ROAD IS FOR JUST MORE INTERNAL TRAFFIC. SELFISHLY, I SHOULD WANT THAT TO HAVE LESS TRAFFIC ON IT BECAUSE I LIVE MY HOUSE ALMOST BACKS UP ON A 6700 THERE. SO THIS HELPS. SELFISHLY, I SHOULD WANT THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST THINK IT WOULD. I CAN DEFER TO THE TRAFFIC EXPERT ON THAT ONE. I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND GET HIS FEEDBACK. WE HAVE 64 AS A COLLECTOR. SO YOU DO HAVE SOME HOUSES FACING 64TH THERE, RIGHT IN THE LIGHT BLUE. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BACKING ONTO IT THOUGH. SO WE HAVE THESE INTERNAL PRIVATE ROADS. SO THEY ALL THEY LOOK LIKE ALLEY IS WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE. WELL POSSIBLY WHEN I SAY FACE I MEAN THE WEATHER SERVICE STUFF. THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE THEIR FRONT DOORS OUT TOWARDS 6400 DRIVEWAYS. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF I'D WANT THEM FACING THE COLLECTOR. OKAY. FOR TIME, WE NEED TO MOVE ON. SO I THINK. YEAH, PROBABLY BACK TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. YES, YES. OKAY. WE HAVE OUR NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM IS ON THE SIENA 
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 Discussion of the Senna Hills Rezone Request for Approximately 86.14 Acres Adding the Interchange Overlay Zone (IOZ)]
HILLS REZONE REQUEST FOR APPROXIMATELY 86.14 ACRES, ADDING INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE. 
          AND TAYLOR JENSEN IS PRESENTED. YES. SO WE KIND OF JUMPED THE GUN A LITTLE BIT ON THIS BECAUSE IT INTEGRATES THE OTHER ONE. BUT THIS YOU'LL REMEMBER A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN ABOUT A YEAR NOW. THEY CAME AND AMENDED THE FUTURE LAND USE 46 ACRES. HALF OF IT WENT TO PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, HALF WENT TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WAS ZONED TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE HCA HOSPITAL. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT WE'D COME BACK IN THE FUTURE TO ADD THE INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE TO THIS, BUT BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THAT RIGHT AND WE DIDN'T SLOW THE HOSPITAL DOWN. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING IT NOW. SO WITHIN THE INTEGRATED, SORRY, WITHIN THE INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE ORDINANCE ITSELF, THIS IS DESIGNATED AS AREA B. THE USES AREA B IS IDENTIFIED FOR AS HOSPITAL WHICH WE'RE SEEING DEVELOP NOW. MEDICAL OFFICE COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND THEN ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL WEST CORRIDOR. AND SO WHAT OUR APPLICANT HERE IS DOING IS THEY'RE PROPOSING THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND REZONING FOR THE WHOLE THING, WHICH WILL INCLUDE PARTNERING WITH HCA TO ACCOMMODATE THE IOC OVER THEIR COMMERCIAL PORTION OF IT AS WELL. THIS WILL ALSO ALLOW US TO WORK TOGETHER ON TIMING OF 6400 AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER 
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ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED WITH THE FREESTANDING ER, BUT WE'LL NEED TO ADDRESS BEFORE THE REST OF THE HOSPITAL COMES IN. WE NEED TO GET THE COST TO GO THERE. 
          GOT THAT YET JIM. YEAH. SO LITTLE BABY STEPS. RIGHT. SO THIS IS JUST TO SHOW WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED WITH THE CURRENT STATE. SO THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. JUST ADDING THE INTERCHANGE OVERLAYS ON TOP OF IT. SO AN OVERVIEW THIS ACTUALLY HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT SINCE WE USED ON YOUR PACKET. THEY'VE REDUCED THE UNIT COUNT. AND SO. LET YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS. BUT 391 TOTAL UNITS OF THOSE 50 SINGLE FAMILY 201 TOWNHOMES AND 140 CONDOS, WHICH THEY SHOW IT'S A 9.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. 
          MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ALLOWS UP TO TEN. SO THEY ARE WITHIN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATIONS FOR THAT. SO HERE WE CAN SEE THE DEVELOPMENT. OUR SINGLE FAMILIES ARE ALONG 6400. 
          AND THEN THIS CUL DE SAC HERE. THIS IS THIS IS WHERE THE BRIDGES WILL GO OVER THE CORRIDOR. THE CONDO UNITS IN HERE, THEY'RE KIND OF INTERSPERSED WITH THE TOWN. SO THIS IS ONE. THIS IS ONE HERE, HERE HERE, HERE. OH WE LEFT. SO THE CONDO UNITS, THE WAY THAT THEY DO THEM, THEY HAVE A ONE CAR GARAGE UNDER EACH OF THE UNIT. AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE OTHER PARKING. SOMETHING THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE ADDED A LOT OF PARKING THROUGHOUT HERE. 
          ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE'VE HAD IS STAFF ON THIS AND IS THE THE LENGTH OF THESE ROADS. SOME OF THESE ARE VERY LONG. SO OVER 500FT, WHICH IS MORE THAN OUR CODE ALLOWS WITHOUT AN EXCEPTION FROM THE COUNCIL AND PRIVATE ROADS. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY ARE RUNNING INTO IS THE GRADE SEPARATIONS THOUGH. AND SO KIND OF HAVING SOMETHING ORIENTED MORE THIS WAY, HAVING ROADS SPLIT THESE BLOCKS IS MORE DIFFICULT JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF SLOPE CHANGE AND WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR HOW STEVE WOULD ALLOW THE ROADS TO BE. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOME FEEDBACK FOR THE COUNCIL. SO IF YOU FEEL THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT. YES. IN GENERAL, WE FEEL LIKE THE USES HERE ARE APPROPRIATE. IT'S KIND OF WHAT THE IOC CALLS FOR. THE ROADS WE FEEL ARE STILL TOO LONG, BUT THAT IS A DECISION THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE MORE PRIVATE ROADS. A LOT OF THEM ARE PRIVATE, YES. SO THEY HAVE. PARENT SHOWS. YOU CAN SEE THIS RING ROAD RIGHT HERE IS PUBLIC. I BELIEVE THIS ONE IS PUBLIC. AND THEN ALL OF THESE ARE PRIVATE. OKAY. AND MAINTAINED PRIVATELY AND PRIVATELY. YES AND NO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE WILL GO DOWN THERE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT OUR SEWERS OR WATER DOWN THERE. WE'LL HAVE TO IT'LL BE PRIVATE SYSTEM OR GET IT TO THEIR PRIVATE ROADS. RIGHT. SO WHY ARE WE BRINGING US PRIVATE ROADS? BECAUSE I THOUGHT PRIVATE ROADS. AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT IN THE FUTURE THE RESIDENTS ARE LIKE, WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR THESE ROADS? WE PAY PROPERTY TAX FOR OUR ROADS AND NOW WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THESE ROADS TOO. AND IT WON'T BE A PROBLEM FOR ABOUT 15, 20 YEARS UNTIL THE ROADS NEED TO BE REDONE. BUT THEN IT BECOMES A PROBLEM. THEY WANT IT TO BECOME A CITY ROAD, BUT THEY'RE NOT BUILT TO OUR SPECIFICATIONS. SO I'M NOT INCLINED TO SAY YAY FOR PRIVATE ROADS THAT DON'T MEET OUR. IF THEY MEET ALL OF OUR SPECS, THEN IT'S NOT A BIG ISSUE FOR ME. BUT WHEN THEY DON'T, I THINK IT'S A PROBLEM. THIS IS GREAT FEEDBACK. SO ARE THEY PRIVATE? SO AS THEY CAN AVOID HAVING CURB, GUTTER AND SIDEWALK, I DON'T NECESSARILY. 
          SO THEY WERE CURB SIDE SIDEWALK GUTTER, BUT IT'S TO MAKE THEM NARROWER SO THEY CAN CRAM MORE HOMES IN THIS AREA. AND I'M NOT GOING TO CROWDING PEOPLE TOGETHER ANYMORE. I KNOW IT'S IOC AND, AND IN GENERAL, I FEEL LIKE PUBLIC ROADS ARE MORE APPROPRIATE. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL. AND THEY CAN TELL YOU WHY THEY BELIEVE THAT IS. BUT FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL IS IMPORTANT ON THIS. THAT RING ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE, IT'S HARD TO THINK OF IT. IT'S THE LONGER STRAIGHT ROAD TO THE. WHEN IT GOES TO THE SOUTH INTO THE HOSPITAL COMMERCIAL SITE, WHAT IS IT INTENDED TO CONNECT INTO THAT SOMEHOW? CURRENTLY, I BELIEVE, SHOWS A DEAD ENDING 
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THAT'S NOT SHOWING US. STEPPING INTO THAT DOESN'T WORK EITHER. SO LIKE A CUL DE SAC COOLER THAN A STUBBORN. I MEAN, IF IT'S GOING TO BE A STUB ROAD BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO STUB SOMETHING ONTO THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, THEN. OKAY. BUT IF IT'S MEANT TO BE A DEAD END, THAT CUL DE SAC WOULD BE NICER. FIRE TRUCKS WOULD LIKE IT BETTER. SNOWPLOWS LIKE IT BETTER. AND I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONG MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR. ON THE ON THE TOP SIDE. SO MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD PLACE. YOU COULD INTEGRATE SOME NOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN YOUR CUL DE SAC AND BRING THEM OVER HERE AND MAKE IT A CUL DE SAC. YEAH, I THINK IN GENERAL, WE WANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL ON THIS AREA AS WELL. I DON'T LOVE THIS PARK DOWN HERE IN THE CORNER. AND ALSO WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS KIND OF MORE IN LINE WITH THAT AND MAYBE LOAD SOME OF THOSE UNITS OFF OF A SHARED ROAD WITH HARPER COMMUNITY, RATHER THAN HAVE A STANDALONE CUL DE SAC WHICH COMES IN HERE AND BE A DEAD END. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A THAT'S ANOTHER COLLECTOR ROAD. I REALLY DON'T WANT DRIVEWAYS ON IT. RIGHT. SO YOU COULD SEE LIKE A PARK THERE. WHAT WOULD YOU PUT THERE? YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE LITTLE ORPHANED PARCEL OF THIS WHOLE THING. THAT'S BOWMAN'S ARROW. WOULD BEN WAS DOING THIS HAVE ISSUES WITH WHAT? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THAT? THE TIP OF THE ARROW OF BOWMAN'S ARROW. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN COSTCO. NO, IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH, BUT MAYBE AN ALDI. YEAH. SO SO REASONS THAT WE LIKE REASON WE HAVE CONCERNS THAT THAT IT'S JUST IT'S A, IT'S A PARK THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO ACCESS. IT'S AT THE END OF A LONG CORRIDOR. YEAH. THE FREEWAY ON ONE SIDE, THERE'S NOT REALLY ACCESS ANYTHING BESIDES. SO THOSE AREAS CAN WELL, IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE A PARK OR AN EMPTY LOT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT MORE HOMES IN IT. NOTHING YOU CAN DO WITH IT. BUT THE THING IS, IS IT DOESN'T EXIST ON ITS OWN EITHER, RIGHT? IT'S CONNECTED TO. WHAT IS THE REST OF THIS UP HERE? THAT'S THAT BIG SLOPE. WHERE IS THE MOUNTAIN VIEW TRAILS ON? IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. OKAY. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NOT A RUNNING PATH ON THAT SIDE. NO, IT'S ONLY ON THE EAST. IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          OKAY. ISN'T IT? GO. DOES IT GO TO THE WEST SIDE WHEN I GET TO THE SOUTH? THAT'S ONLY EIGHT. 
          I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE WHEN I FOUND IT. OKAY. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WE KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER FOR THAT IS, BUT IF IT IS A PARK, I THINK IF THERE'S A PARK, INTEGRATE IT WITH OPEN SPACE IN HARPER. RIGHT. LIKE IF WE CAN THINK OF THIS AS IF WE CAN THINK OF THE ARROW HERE AS PART OF THE HARPER DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF AS PART OF THE WHATEVER THIS IS. 
          DEVELOPMENT, THEN MAYBE THEN YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND A LITTLE MORE WAYS TO, TO MAKE THAT WORK. YEAH. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WELL, AND THIS IS THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE A'S PLANS TO SELL TO THIS OTHER PART. ANYWAY. THE DA IS NOT DOING HARPER. THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE NOT DOING HARPER. OKAY. I BUY IT BECAUSE THEY'RE BUYING LOTS. SO THERE'S SOME WORKING TOGETHER TO BE DONE THAT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A BETTER PRODUCT THAN TRYING TO CRAM SOMETHING INTO THE TIP OF THE. BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY THE TIP. IT'S. IT TOUCHES OTHER STUFF, RIGHT? ONE SIDE. YEAH, YOU GOT TO FIX IT. YOU GOT A FREEWAY, YOU'RE KIND OF FIXED. YOU CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING. BUT THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S OTHER PROPERTY THERE. AND WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS THIS PROPERTY GOING TO BE? THAT'S A BIG SLOPPY HILLSIDE THING. OWNS THAT SURPLUS. IT'S IT'S FOR THE SLOPE. SO BESIDES JUST SURPLUS, IT'S SO THEY COULD SLOPE FOR THAT. SO MAYBE THIS JUST BECOMES THEIR DETENTION POND RETENTION AT THE TOP OF THE DETENTION ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE OF THE SLOPES. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. AND APPROPRIATE. SO BRANDON, I APPRECIATE YOU. YEAH. 
          I'LL JUST ACTUALLY, CAN I COME UP TO THE SCREEN? SURE. A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO, SO 6400 WEST. WELL, THERE'LL BE A ROUNDABOUT RIGHT HERE. AND THEN THIS IS WHAT GOES AND TIES INTO HARPER'S DEVELOPMENT. SO WE LOOKED AT TAKING THIS CUL DE SAC UP FROM HERE. BUT THERE'S ABOUT JUST ON OUR PROPERTY ALONE, THERE'S 30FT OF FALL FROM HERE TO THERE. AND SO TRYING TO GET FIRE AND SCHOOL BUSSES AND ANYBODY ELSE TO TAKE THIS ROAD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF A SWITCHBACK, OR WE'D TAKE UP A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LAND AND HARPER'S PROPERTY IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT ROAD CONNECT, OBVIOUSLY. YEAH, THIS IS A WEIRD PARCEL. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT? WE'VE LOOKED AT JUST HAVING REALLY DEEP SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. WE DIDN'T 
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REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA, BUT THIS IS A REALLY UNIQUE PARK BECAUSE IT SITS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN MOUNTAIN VIEW CORRIDOR. AND THE VIEWS OUT OVER THE VALLEY ARE SPECTACULAR. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT ON YOUR GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE THAT WE HAD SEEN THERE. THIS DOES SIT UP QUITE A BIT, REALLY UNIQUE, UNIQUE PLACE TO PUT A REALLY COOL PARK, DOESN'T IT KIND OF INCORPORATES INTO HARPER'S OPEN SPACE THEY HAVE ALONG THERE. BUT AGAIN, 6400 WEST DOES COME UP HERE AND KIND OF IS THE, I GUESS, THE GREAT WALL OF WEST JORDAN RIGHT THERE TO SEPARATE THESE TWO PARKS. SO JUST WE HAVE STAFF. IF WE DO CHOOSE TO HAVE A PARK HERE FOR THESE TWO UNITS SHOULD PROBABLY GO AWAY. SO IT'S NOT ASSESSED TO BE LIKE A 20 FOOT DRIVE, BUT IT'S OPEN. THAT'S ONE OF OUR CONCERNS AS WELL IS IT'S HEADING BACK JUST SO IT'S NOT VISIBLE. I MEAN THE CORRIDOR. BUT IF THAT MAKES SENSE. ONE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO POINT OUT ON THE PRIVATE ROADS, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WITH THAT. WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE EVERYTHING AS PUBLIC. THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY MORE ALLEYS THAN THEY ARE ROADWAYS, MEANING WE DON'T HAVE ANY FRONT DOORS THAT ARE FACING ONTO THESE. SO THESE WOULD BE ALLEY LOAD UNITS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE OPEN SPACE CORRIDOR BEHIND THEM. CAN WE MAKE THEM PUBLIC AND DO 50 FOOT WIDE ROADS WITH CURB, GUTTER, SIDEWALK PARK STRIP? ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU LOOK ON THE COLOR PLAN, YOU CAN REALLY SEE HOW MUCH GREEN SPACE WE HAVE IN BETWEEN THESE UNITS, WHICH WE REALLY LIKE. HAVING THAT OPEN SPACE. 
          AND THE WAY WE'VE DESIGNED THIS IS WE'RE THERE'S A HIGH POINT, A BIG KNOB RIGHT HERE, AND EVERYTHING DRAINS THAT WAY OR THIS WAY FROM THIS HIGH POINT. AND SO WE'RE STEPPING DOWN AND WE'VE STRATEGICALLY PLACED A LOT OF OUR UNITS IN A WAY THAT WE CAN DO WALK OUTS OR STEP DOWN WITH THE UNITS AND WORK WITH THE GRADE RATHER THAN AGAINST IT. AND SO A LOT OF THESE AREAS WERE THE MORE SPACE WE HAVE, THE BETTER WE CAN MAKE THAT USABLE SPACE. WE DO PUBLIC ROADS AND WE TIGHTEN UP THOSE OPEN SPACES. THEY JUST BECOME RETAINING AREAS AS FAR AS WALLS AND NOT REALLY USABLE AS WE'D LIKE IT TO BE. AGAIN, WHAT ARE YOUR DRIVEWAYS ON ALL OF THESE? SO THERE'S ONLY ONE CORRECT ANSWER. YOU GET IT RIGHT. I0Z ZONE REQUIRES 22 FOOT DRIVEWAYS. 
          SO THAT'S THE ANSWER. OKAY. GOOD JOB BRANDON. AND THAT APPLIES TO YOUR OTHER DEVELOPMENT TOO. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE THING THAT ABOUT TOWNHOMES THAT FACE THE OPEN SPACE CORRIDOR. THE TROUBLE IS, IS WHEN YOU'RE TELLING SOMEBODY WHERE TO DELIVER YOUR PIZZA, HOW DO THEY GET TO THE 15 UNITS IN? I MEAN, YOU GOT A HUGE LONG ROAD, LIKE JUST LIKE DAYBREAK. YEAH. I LIVED IN DAYBREAK FOR A WHILE. I CALLED THE DAY BROKE BECAUSE THEIR HOME KICKED ME OUT AS FAR AS THE PRICE GOES. AND SO YOU MEAN IT DIDN'T SAY $35? NO, IT WAS $250 WHEN I LEFT, LIKE TEN YEARS AGO. AND IT'S GOING UP. THAT WAS ENOUGH FOR ME TO SAY, NO, THANKS, I'M OUT OF HERE. BUT YOU KNOW, DAYBREAK, OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE NOTORIOUS FOR ALLEY LOAD PRODUCT, ESPECIALLY FACING COURTYARD AREAS LIKE THIS AND PLAZA AREAS. 
          IT WORKED. WE GOT OUR PIZZA DELIVERED. WE GOT OUR AMAZON THERE. NOT THAT LONG THOUGH, RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, DAYBREAK IS NOTORIOUS FOR THEIR LITTLE COURTYARD AREAS THAT THEY HAVE, BUT THEIR FRONT DOORS ARE STILL FACING AN OPEN SPACE AREA, WHICH IS SIMILAR. AND I'M OKAY. 
          I'M OKAY WITH THAT. JUST NOT 15 UNITS IN A ROW. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T WANT TO NOT JUST THE PIZZA GUY, BUT LIKE MY DAD WHO DOESN'T WALK THAT WELL ANYWAY, OR AMAZON WHO'S GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THE WRONG HOUSE ANYWAY, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO WALK PAST NINE DOORS TO GET TO THE CLOSEST ROAD, YOU KNOW? ANOTHER STRATEGIC REASON FOR THE PRIVATE ALLEYS IS WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO PERPENDICULAR PARKING, LIKE THESE LITTLE PARKING AREAS THAT WE HAVE OFF OF PUBLIC ROADS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO DO PARKING LOTS, IS WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO PERPENDICULAR STALLS TO PEOPLE BACK OUT ONTO A PUBLIC ROADWAY. AND SO THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING WITH PUBLIC ROADS. WE CAN'T COUNT ON STREET PARKING. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKING LOTS THAT, IN MY OPINION, WOULD FUNCTION A LOT BETTER IF WE JUST HAD THOSE AS ON STREET PARKING. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE RESTRAINTS WITH, WITH, WITH CODE AND, AND WHATNOT. SO BUT ISN'T THERE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE ONES THAT ARE 15 UNITS LIKE EVERY FIVE? YEAH. OKAY. ARE YOU TALKING THESE AREAS HERE? YEAH. BETWEEN THE OKAY, NEVER MIND. 
          BUT THESE AREAS HERE. SORRY. NO, IT'S JUST LIKE EACH BUILDING SIZE IS LIKE FIVE. SO THEN YOU'RE REALLY NOT YOU'RE TALKING EACH OF THESE UNITS. YEAH. THEN YOU'RE NOT REALLY HAVING TO WALK AND WE'LL WE'LL BREAK THAT UP AND WALK. YEAH. THEY'LL BE WALK WAYS TO GO AROUND. AND AGAIN, YOU'RE STILL, YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ALLEY TO GET TO THE SPOT WHERE YOU CAN GO IN BETWEEN, NOT ON THE PUBLIC ROAD. GOTCHA. I GUESS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I CURRENTLY LIVE IN. I ALSO CURRENTLY LIVE IN THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. YOU GET YOUR PIZZA ON 
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TIME. I I'VE NOT ORDERED PIZZA YET, BUT I ALWAYS GET MY AMAZON AND AND OTHER ITEMS. SO I HAVEN'T HAD ANY. YEAH, IT IS A LITTLE AMAZON. YOU'RE NOT REALLY. I LIVE IN SEVEN, SIX FIVE, FOUR AND THE HOUSE AROUND THE CORNER FROM ME IS SIX, SEVEN, FIVE, FOUR. ON THE OTHER STREET. WE'RE ALWAYS GETTING EACH OTHER'S BACK. YOU. KNOW WHEN I GET THEIR GROCERY DELIVERIES REALLY BAD, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE TWO HOURS BEFORE I REALIZE THAT IT'S THERE. OKAY. SO WHAT FEEDBACK DO WE WANT SOME OF? BECAUSE WE ARE, WE DO HAVE ONE MORE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THAT WILL PROBABLY DISCUSSION. SO, SO WELL, THREE QUESTIONS. I THINK WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY STARTED ADDRESSING THOSE, BUT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE UNIT COUNT AND DENSITY, COMFORTABLE THE LAYOUT. AND DO YOU AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT MAYBE MORE HOUSING TYPES AND CREATION? DEFINITELY MORE INTEGRATION. 
          DON'T LOVE THE SINGLE FAMILIES RIGHT UP ON MOUNTAIN VIEW. I WOULD LIKE I AND THIS IS JUST SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE BECAUSE I KNOW THEM. I WOULD LIKE THE SINGLE. WELL, THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT BACKS UP. WELL, I THINK YOU'RE OKAY, ACTUALLY. THAT WEIRD DEAD END ROAD THOUGH, ON THE SOUTH END IS JUST WE COULD PUT A CUL DE SAC. GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT. YEAH. THANK YOU. GET AROUND TO IT. I'M. I'M PERSONALLY OKAY WITH THE ALLEY. 
          DRIVEWAYS. I'M OKAY WITH THEM DRIVEWAYS, BUT IF THEY'RE IN CONCEPT. I LIKE THE CONCEPT. I LOVE THE ONES THAT ARE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF TERRAIN, THE SOUTH END OF TERRAIN. THEY HAVE A PUBLIC ROAD AND THEN THEY HAVE THE FRONT DOOR AND THEN THEY HAVE THE ALLEY FOR TOWNHOME. THE ALLEY IS BEHIND IT, AND THEN YOU GOT ANOTHER PUBLIC ROAD. SO THE FRONT DOORS GO OUT ONTO A PUBLIC ROAD, AND THEN YOU HAVE AN ALLEY FOR THE GARAGE, LIKE A LOT OF DEBRIS, RIGHT? I REALLY, I REALLY LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT, I'M NOT STUCK ON AN ALLEYWAY NEEDING TO BE A PUBLIC ROAD BECAUSE IT'S JUST A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. YEAH. IF AN ALLEYWAY, THEN IT'S AN ALLEY. WELL, THE QUESTION THAT WE HAD TO STAFF, I DON'T THINK. SO. THIS IS KIND OF THE MAIN ENTRY INTO THE PRODUCT PROJECT AND IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE ALLEY OR THE DRIVEWAY, RATHER. THE GOOD POINT. IS THAT SOMETHING THE COUNCIL OKAY WITH? NO, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I SHOULD PROBABLY LINE UP WITH THE RING ROAD. ROAD. YEAH, IT SHOULD EITHER T INTO IT LIKE THE I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED, LIKE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT I CAN THINK OF T INTO IT AND NOT HAVE THE ALLEY COME STRAIGHT OFF OR LINE UP WITH THE PUBLIC ROAD. 
          JUST MY $0.02, BUT SORRY. WE'RE ALSO COORDINATING WITH THE HOSPITAL FOLKS ON BUILDING ALL OF 6400 WEST. THEY'LL EXPANDING IT ALL THE WAY TO ITS FULL BUILD OUT WITH OUR FIRST PHASE. 
          SO I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN WITH HARPER'S DEVELOPMENT IS HAVING THAT THREE QUARTERS ROAD, BUT WE ARE PLANNING ON BUILDING THAT ALL THE WAY FROM 78TH UP INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT. AND THE ROUNDABOUT IS THAT MAIN ENTRANCE WHERE THE PARTIAL ROUNDABOUT IS NOW ON HAVEN MAPLE GOING SOUTH? YES, GOING EAST. WEST. YES. YEAH. WEST. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT WOULD BE IN CONSTRUCTING THAT ROUNDABOUT TOO. RIGHT. THAT'S GOING TO BE A ROUNDABOUT, RIGHT. TURNING LEFT OFF OF 64TH ON THE ISLAND FOR THE ROUNDABOUT. GO AROUND IT. THE ISLAND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PUT IN UNTIL ROUNDABOUT. BACK TO THE EMOTIONS ON IT. OKAY. SO ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPOSED DENSITY UNIT COUNT? I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE DENSITY, BUT THERE'S SOME CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE WITH THE LAYOUT. OKAY. ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT LAYOUT? NO, NO. BUT WE HAVE GIVEN OUR FEEDBACK TO, TO THE TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT. AND DO WE AGREE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR MORE HOUSING TYPE. YES, WE DID TALK ABOUT INTEGRATION. SO NOW I ONLY HEARD FROM COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB ON THE PROPOSED DENSITY UNIT COUNT IS HE. EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOOD WITH. I'M NOT I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT A LITTLE, LITTLE LESS. IT IS, IT IS. BUT I, I THINK I COULD IT 
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IS, BUT IT'S STILL COULD IT COULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE A FEWER. YEAH. YEAH. WATER IS A PROBLEM. AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO GO GET YOUR OWN WATER. WELL THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WATER IN OUR STATE. WELL. SO EXCUSE ME, IT'S IT'S VERY CONCERNING TO ME. NOT ONLY THAT, WE'RE GETTING HOTTER AND WE'RE GETTING HOTTER BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING IN MORE AND MORE PEOPLE AND LESS STREET. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. THAT'S A CATCH 22, BECAUSE THE GREEN TAKES WAY MORE WATER TO DEPENDS ON THE GREEN LAST RETURN. NOT THAT I AGREE. I WANT LIVING GREEN. IN THE DIRT. YEAH. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS, MR. ANDERSON? HOW ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER LAMB? DO YOU HAVE ANY. NO THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. NOPE. OKAY. AND YOU WANT THIS ONE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. THAT DENSITY IS ABOUT THE SAME AS THE TERRAIN, NOT TERRAIN TERRACE HILLS. RIGHT. TERRACE, HILLS AND TERRACE HILLS. IS THIS ONE OKAY? RIGHT HERE? IT'S GOT SINGLE FAMILY, PRETTY SMALL LOT SINGLE FAMILY AROUND THE OUTSIDE. IT'S GOT HER ON THE INSIDE. IT'S GOT 78, 78. YEAH. AND THE BACK UP ON THE 67TH, IT SEEMED LIKE THE DENSITY WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME AS THAT. AND IF I TELL, IF THAT'S WHAT I CAN TELL PEOPLE IS, YEAH, IT'S TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY. IT'LL BE ABOUT LIKE TERRACE HILLS, I THINK. I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY EASY SELL. CRUNCH THE NUMBERS. YEAH. OKAY. OUR FINAL ITEM IS 2D. YOU STILL 
          [d.
 Discussion of the 5490 West Barber Estates Rezone (RR-1D to the R-1-12) Zone and Roadway Improvement Requirements]
STAND AT THE TABLE. YOU'RE SO LUCKY YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH DISCUSSION. YOU COULD BE HERE. 
          JUST WEST BARBARA ESTATES REZONE OUR OUR 1D2R112 AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT REQUIREMENTS AND TAILOR WHO HAS TAKEN RESIDENCE AT THE TABLE IS HERE TO TALK TO US. YEAH THANK YOU COUNCIL. SO THIS IS AS MENTIONED BARBARA ESTATES THE COUNCIL IS BEING ASKED BY THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE STATE'S DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A REASON WHICH HAS NOT BEEN TWO PLANNING COMMISSIONERS CITY COUNCIL YET, BUT THEY DID COME TO CITY COUNCIL FOR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE BACK IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, WHERE THEY WERE GIVEN SOME DIRECTION ON BILL POINTS TO MOVE FORWARD. SO JUST FOR CONTEXT, THE PROPERTY IS THEY'RE LOCATED OFF OF 54 WEST. THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THIS IS VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE CURRENT ZONING IS RR ONE. SO THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY, ONE ACRE LOTS CONCEPT PLAN HERE WE'RE SEEING WHAT IS IT 20 LOTS. THEY RANGE IN SIZE FROM ABOUT 11,000FT■!S TO LIKE 20,000FT■!S. BEING 11,000FT■!S. THEY WOULD NOT MEET THE STANDARDS FOR AN R1 12 THAT HAS TO PROPOSE, LIKE AN R1 11 R1 TEN, IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS CAME TO THE COUNCIL ON JANUARY 27TH FOR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, AND WE HAD SOME BILL POINTS THAT WE LEFT OUT WITH WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH THE REZONE TO BE SUPPORTED BY THE COUNCIL. THAT INCLUDED DEVELOPER BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSTRUCTING PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ALONG 54 WEST, THAT BEING REQUIRED FOR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND FIRE RESPONSE THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED FROM CURB TO CURB AND THE SIDEWALK IN THE PARK STRIP ON THE SIDE. THERE WASN'T QUITE ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY TO DO THAT. AND SO COUNCIL SAID THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THAT NEEDED TO BE ACQUIRED WAS THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITY. THE COUNCIL INDICATED OUR KNOWLEDGE THAT 5490 WEST IS NOT ON THE CITY IMPACT FEE SCHEDULE. THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE A PROJECT IMPROVEMENT, NOT A SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT, SO IT WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE FEES OR REIMBURSEMENT, AND THAT PROTECTIONS ARE NOT ALLOWED PER CODE, AND THEN THAT THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS WOULD BE CLASSIFIED IN AGREEMENT. WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS REQUEST AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTED FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IS DEVELOPERS WISHING TO INDICATE THAT THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS UNLESS REIMBURSED BY THE CITY, THAT THEY'RE NOT 
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RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CURB TO CURB IMPROVEMENTS OF 54, WEST WAS PLACED BY THE CITY. THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ACQUIRING THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY UNLESS REIMBURSED BY THE CITY. 
          THEY INDICATED THEY NEED TO BE REIMBURSED FOR THE COST OF THAT CONSTRUCTION. SO WE CAN'T COMPLAIN. CITY CANNOT CLAIM THIS IS A PROJECT IMPROVEMENT, AND THEY'RE SEEKING LOTS SMALLER THAN 12,000FT■!S. SO THT WAS NOT OUR ONE 1270. STAFF ANALYSIS ON THIS IS WE DON'T SUPPORT THESE CHANGES AS IN OUR DIRECTION. OUR UNDERSTANDING THIS DOES NOT FOLLOW THE DIRECTION GIVEN BY COUNCIL. ON JANUARY 27TH. SO UNLESS WE GET A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL, OUR POSITION IS NOT SUPPORT THIS. WE BELIEVE THIS DOES REPRESENT THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S DEVELOPMENT WHERE DEVELOPMENT GOES BEYOND THE EXISTING GROWTH PATTERN. AND OUR BELIEF IS, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE MORE? SO LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT IS WHERE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT HAPPENING IN LINE. AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE PUTTING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOT IN LINE WITH THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU HAVE TO BRING THE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT TO MEET IT. RIGHT. BUT IT'S ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE ONLY BENEFITS THAT ONE PROJECT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. YEAH. I AGREE WITH THAT. SO WE BELIEVE THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS TO 5490 WEST ARE NECESSARY FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE SOLE BENEFICIARY OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS. AS SUCH, WE BELIEVE DEVELOPERS SHOULD MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY FOR THE PROJECT OR WAIT FOR DEVELOPMENT TO CATCH UP AND BRING DEVELOPMENTS TO THE SITE. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A DOCUMENT WHICH INDICATES THAT OUR PLAN FOR IMPROVING THE FULL FRONTAGE OF 5490 WEST FOR A PORTION OF THE ROADWAY, THAT'S THE PORTION IN FRONT OF THEIR LOT, AND THEN PARTIAL IMPROVEMENTS IN OTHER LOCATIONS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE. THE BLUE IS WHERE THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO THE FULL IMPROVEMENT, AND THE YELLOW IS WHERE THEY'LL DO PARTIAL IMPROVEMENT UNDER THEIR PLAN. AND THEY PROVIDED SOME RIGHT OF WAY CROSS SECTION FOR THE FULL RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE WHAT THE PARTIAL WOULD BE. GO BACK. LET ME LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT LONGER. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I GUESS THE FEEDBACK REQUESTED BY STAFF IS SHOULD THE DEVELOPER COVER THE COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURES IF THEY DON'T WISH TO WAIT FOR DEVELOPMENT TO REACH THE SITE? AND DOES THE COUNCIL WISH TO AMEND ANY OF THE FEEDBACK THEY PROVIDED TO APPLICANT ON JANUARY 27TH? IF SO, WHAT AMENDED FEEDBACK WOULD YOU PROVIDE TO STAFF AND THE APPLICANT BEFORE? SIR, CAN I ASK IF THE DEVELOPER GIVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK RIGHT AWAY BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO THIS? SURE. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE NICE. GREAT. GREAT QUESTION FOR YOU. AND DO YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? MY NAME IS BRANT BATEMAN. I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM OF DENTON, AARON JONES. I AM NOT HERE TO MAKE LEGAL ARGUMENTS. THE DEVELOPER HAS ASKED ME TO BE THE SPOKESMAN BECAUSE IT REALLY FEELS LIKE THAT THERE'S A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM. BUT AND I'M GOING TO BE BRIEF, BUT BEFORE BEFORE I DO, I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M ALWAYS GLAD TO BE BACK TO MY HOMETOWN. THIS IS WHERE I GREW UP. DOES ANYBODY HERE LONG IN THE TOOTH ENOUGH TO REMEMBER PAVEMENT. DAIRY. 
          FARM. PAVEMENT? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS MORE RIGHT HERE. THIS RIGHT HERE. OKAY. THERE'S THERE'S A REAL MISUNDERSTANDING, AT LEAST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, AS TO WHY WE'RE HERE AND WHY WE'RE BEFORE YOU GUYS. OKAY. NONE OF THIS IS TRUE. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST INCORRECT INFORMATION. AND WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT, AND THAT'S WHAT'S HERE. OKAY. WE DID COME TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, RECEIVED SOME GREAT FEEDBACK, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FEEDBACK EVER SINCE. OKAY. AND SOME THINGS HAVE HAPPENED, RIGHT? THAT WE NEED TO COME BACK HERE AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT AS A RESULT OF OUR WORK ON THIS FEEDBACK. OKAY. BUT MOST OF THIS WE ARE HAPPY TO DO AND TO SAY THINGS LIKE, THE DEVELOPER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. EXCUSE ME, YOUR ACTUAL YOUR COMMENTS ON YOUR DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. HAVE THAT COMMENT ON IT. I DID NOT MAKE THAT UP. THAT IS VERBATIM WHAT CAME FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS AT YOU. WELL YOU ARE. YOU SAID I MADE THAT UP AND THAT'S READING WHAT YOU SAID. YES. I DIDN'T JUST LET HIM PUSH. WE FEEL LIKE A LITTLE BIT THAT WE'VE BEEN GATEKEPT. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE NOW. WE HAVE STAFF, AND STAFF HAS NOT BEEN WILLING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH US. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. STAFF, I THINK, FEELS LIKE THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN FAIR WITH STAFF MAY HAVE GONE OVER THEIR HEAD. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL THAT WAY. OKAY. BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I JUST WANT TO 
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MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE HERE. AND IT'S WAY LESS COMPLICATED THAN THAT. OKAY. 
          THIS RIGHT HERE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ACQUIRING ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. 
          THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT. WE HAVE EXPLORED THAT AND IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO DO OKAY. YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A 30 UNIT LOT. THIS ISN'T A GIANT LOT. THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET WHO HAVE THAT RIGHT OF WAY DO NOT WANT TO SELL RIGHT. 
          AND THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF MONEY WE CAN GIVE THEM AND HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A HIGH PROFIT, HIGH DENSITY, HIGH DEVELOPMENT. IT'S SMALL. IT'S A LITTLE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT CANNOT BE DONE. SO WE ARE HERE TO I MEAN THERE'S IMPLICATIONS TO THAT. 
          THAT KIND OF AFFECTS SOME OF THIS OTHER STUFF. OKAY. BUT WHAT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO IS WE'RE HERE TO SAY, CAN WE RECONSIDER THAT OR FIND ANOTHER WAY TO MAKE THAT WORK? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. OKAY. I'LL GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS OF SOME OF THE OTHER IMPACTS THAT ARE INVOLVED HERE. OKAY. 5490 WEST WILL BE CONSTRUCTED FROM CURB TO CURB, SIDEWALK AND PARKS ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE ROAD. WE ARE HAPPY TO CONSTRUCT THE ROAD. WE ARE HAPPY TO CONSTRUCT CURB, GUTTER AND SIDEWALK, BUT WE'RE LIMITED AS TO HOW MUCH WE CAN DO BECAUSE WE CANNOT GET THAT PROPERTY. WE CANNOT GET THAT PROPERTY. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY WE'RE HERE, OKAY? NOW THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT UNLESS REIMBURSED BY THE CITY, OKAY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOME THINGS WILL NOT BE REIMBURSED. OKAY. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES WHAT HAS BEEN CALLED HERE A LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES PIONEERING. THAT'S WHAT WE USED IN THE. THAT'S WHAT WE USE IN THE. 
          VERNACULAR. WE USE WHEN WE NEED TO BRING INFRASTRUCTURE TO A. THE DEVELOPER HERE IS HAPPY TO BRING THE INFRASTRUCTURE. OKAY. THE DISCUSSION ABOUT REIMBURSEMENT IS IS ABOUT REIMBURSEMENT FOR WHATEVER PORTION OF THAT IS GOING TO BE USED BY SOMEONE ELSE IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S ALL IT IS. OKAY. AND IF NONE OF IT IS USED BY ANYBODY ELSE IN THE FUTURE, THERE IS NO REIMBURSEMENT. WE'RE NOT ASKING THE CITY TO OPEN THEIR CHECKBOOK. WE'RE SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS ROAD AND SOMEONE ELSE COMES ALONG AND THEY'RE GOING TO ATTACH TO THAT ROAD, THEY SHOULD PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THAT ROAD. 
          OTHERWISE, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, OUR WORK AND OUR MONEY HAS GIVEN THEM A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE, RIGHT IN THE MARKET. THAT MIGHT BE FINE IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT FOLKS, THIS IS A 30 UNIT. IT'S NOT EVEN 30. HOW MANY UNITS IS IT? 2020 UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT WHERE ANDERSON DEVELOPMENT IS LOOKING TO GET RICH. WE'RE LOOKING TO WALK OUT OF HERE. THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAKE A PROFIT FOR SURE. WHO ISN'T OKAY. BUT THIS IS NOT DEVELOPMENT WHERE THERE'S ENDLESS FUNDS TO IMPROVE MILES AND MILES OF ROAD THAT SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT USE WITHOUT SOME KIND OF REIMBURSEMENT. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          CAN YOU SKIP AHEAD NOW TO THE TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED THAT BLUE PART OF THE ROAD AND THE YELLOW PART OF THE ROAD, THAT'S IT RIGHT HERE. THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL. THIS IS NOT THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT. IT'S MEANT FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES. THIS IS NOT US SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OR NOTHING. OKAY. BUT THIS SOLVES A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GET SOME OF THIS PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO TO DO FULL IMPROVEMENTS HERE AND ALL THIS IMPROVEMENTS DOWN HERE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT CASH OUTLAY. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT ANY OF THAT IS GOING TO BE USED BY ANYBODY ELSE ANYTIME IN THE FUTURE. PIONEERING, WE GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT. WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING TO DO. SO WE'RE NOT REFUSING YOUR LIST. WE'RE NOT REFUSING ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID THAT WE THAT WE NEEDED TO DO. WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THOSE THINGS. WE'RE PROPOSING THIS AS A WAY TO GET AROUND A MAJOR PROBLEM. THAT IS WE CANNOT GET THAT LAND. I WAS LOOKING UP THE MAP ON MY COMPUTER WHEN YOU WERE JUST DOING THAT. CAN YOU REWIND JUST A SECOND AND TELL ME AGAIN WHICH SIDE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PIONEERING AGREEMENTS ON? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ON THE EAST SIDE? ON THE WEST SIDE. SO, SO WE WOULD IMPROVE ALL OF THIS AND AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A HALF WIDTH BECAUSE THESE GUYS DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A ROAD. SO WE HAVE NO WAY OF MAKING THEM INTO A ROAD. SO IT HAS TO BE A HALF WIDTH. AND ALL OF THIS IS NOT PIONEERING. ALL OF THIS IS 100% US. IT'S EVERYTHING. AND OUR DEVELOPMENT ENDS HERE, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OFF SITE. ALL OF THIS WAY DOWN HERE. 
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ISN'T THAT DONE ALREADY? OR SHOULDN'T THAT HAVE BEEN DONE WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE, THE DEFERRAL. SURE. SO THERE WERE TWO OTHER 9 OR 10 YEARS AGO. THERE WERE TWO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, WINNER'S CIRCLE AND BELLA'S RIGHT. BOTH OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS DEDICATED THEIR HALF WIDTH OF THE ROAD, BUT WE WERE NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CONNECTING STREET. THOSE WERE CUL DE SACS. THEY DID, HOWEVER, PUT UP ALL THE MONEY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT HALF THE ROAD BY A DEFERRAL AGREEMENT, WHICH THE COUNCIL APPROVED. SO IF AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THEIR SHARE OF THOSE PRIOR. SO WE'RE ASKING THE DEVELOPER TO DO THE WORK, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT YELLOW PART, SINCE IN THEORY WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THAT, EVEN THOUGH AFTER 9 OR 10 YEARS WE REALLY DON'T. WE HAVE LESS MONEY. WE MEAN, WE HAVEN'T BEEN EARNING INTEREST AT THE SAME RATE OF INFLATION AS ASPHALT. AND IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE TALKED PREVIOUSLY ON THE PHONE, BASICALLY TWO ASKS OF THE COUNCIL. ONE IS TO APPROVE A HALF ROAD. COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY. IT'S DISCRETIONARY. 
          AND THEN SECONDLY, EVEN THOUGH WE NORMALLY HAVE A POLICY OF NOT DOING PIONEERING AGREEMENTS, IT IS ALLOWED BY THE CODE, BUT TO ALLOW FOR PIONEERING OR REIMBURSEMENT. BACK TO YOUR CLIENT FOR THE YELLOW PORTION OF THE OFF SITE IMPROVEMENT, CONNECTING TO WOULD NOT REALLY BE PIONEERING. IS THAT ALREADY BUILT? WELL, PIONEERING WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY ELSE DEVELOPS ON THE OTHER SIDE BENEFITS FROM IT, THEY WOULD PAY THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE BACK TO HIS CLIENTS UNLESS NOBODY EVER DEVELOPS. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S THE RISK AND OUR AGREEMENTS RUN BY CODE A MAXIMUM OF TEN YEARS. ASK ABOUT THAT. YOU MIGHT NOT GET ANYTHING, BUT WE JUST HAD PETERSON IN HERE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE THREE LOTS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BOTTOM YELLOW SECTION THERE. OVER HERE. YEAH, THE THREE ON THE WEST SIDE. SO ON THE ON YOUR NON HIGHLIGHTED SIDE. THEY'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THEIR SIDE OF THE ROAD. BUT ARE THEY BENEFITING FROM THE IMPROVEMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO SO AN ANALYSIS IN A IN A IN A THERE HAS TO BE AN ANALYSIS IS THE RIGHT ANSWER IN A IN A PERFECT WORLD HOW IT WORKS IS IS THAT EVERYONE DOES THEIR SIDE, THEIR HALF. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT THE PIONEERING COMES IN IN CASES LIKE WHAT WE'RE CALLING A LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT, WHERE YOU HAVE TO GET THERE FIRST. RIGHT? WELL, THIS ISN'T LEAPFROG BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALREADY BUILT. WELL, I AGREE WITH THAT. I AGREE THAT THIS IS INFILL RATHER THAN LEAPFROG. BUT PIONEERING IS APPROPRIATE HERE, RIGHT. IN IN THAT CERTAINLY SOME OF THIS IS MY CLIENT'S RESPONSIBILITY, BUT NOT ALL OF IT. OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME ONLINE, OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CONNECT TO THAT ROAD. 
          AND MY CLIENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE PAID ALL THE MONEY TO THAT ROAD, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE NOT. IT'S NOT FAIR. MAYBE WE NEED TO SEE THIS ON AN OVERLAY OF THE MAP, THE OF, OF MAP OF THE CITY THAT CURRENTLY CURRENTLY EXISTS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT UNDEVELOPED PARCELS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THOSE ARE DEVELOPED PARCELS. 
          THERE YOU GO RIGHT HERE GOING DOWN THIS WAY. YEAH. IT'S ALL DEVELOPED RIGHT UP UNTIL THE GUYS WHO DON'T WANT TO SELL YOU THEIR TRUNK, THEY WANT TO SELL YOU THE REST OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          DOESN'T GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THOUGH, ABOUT HOW THEY SHOULD HAVE IMPROVED THAT. 
          AND THEY WERE DEFERRED. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S NO PIONEERING AGREEMENT NECESSARY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT GOING IN. IT'S ALREADY THERE. WELL, AT A MINIMUM, IT MIGHT BE JUST THIS LITTLE PORTION RIGHT HERE THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED. NO, THAT'S IN THE THAT'S IN THE BLUE. WE SAID WE SAID WE WOULD TAKE THAT. OH YOU DO. WE DID SAY THAT. YES. SO I MEAN SO THE YELLOW THERE'S NO PIONEER AGREEMENT BECAUSE NONE OF THOSE CUL DE SACS ARE GOING TO DISAPPEAR. AND WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT NEW STREETS THROUGH THEM AND HAVE NEW. THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD'S DONE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT DONE, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT IS DONE. THERE'S NO PIONEER. SO I'M SAYING IF YOU'RE TALKING PIONEER AGREEMENTS AND YOU'RE TALKING THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD, NOT THE EAST SIDE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD'S DONE. 
          THERE'S NO PIONEERING TO DO. THE PIONEERS HAVE ALREADY COME. THEY SET UP THEIR DRAGONS. NO ONE'S GOING TO COME ONLINE LATER. RIGHT. AND AND HAVE THAT ROAD. YEAH. BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT MY CLIENT SHOULD HAVE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. NO. 
          RIGHT. LIKE, LIKE I'M SAYING, THE CITY COLLECTED MONEY FROM THOSE DEVELOPERS TO PAY FOR THAT PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. NOW WE'RE SHORT BECAUSE IT'S TAKING TOO LONG. OKAY. WHO SHOULD MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE? PROBABLY NOT. YOU GUYS THAT SHOULD PROBABLY COME FROM THE CITY. THAT'S WHY. OR MAYBE YOU SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT PIONEERING AGREEMENTS IS THE WRONG WORD BECAUSE THAT'S THAT. 
          THOSE ARE THAT'S SETTLED LAND PIONEERS. YOU KNOW NO I COLONIZATION AGREEMENT, I DON'T 
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KNOW 100% AGREE. AND AND I MEAN, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THAT. SO PIONEER AGREEMENT PROBABLY IS NOT APPROPRIATE. BUT THIS ILLUSTRATES HOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL JUST BEEN CONTINUING DOWN IN THIS DIRECTION. RIGHT. AND WE'VE GOT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE PAYS THEIR FAIR SHARE. BUT WE TRY TO AVOID MAKING PEOPLE PAY MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE. RIGHT? NO. AND PETERSONS WHO ARE DOING THE 15 ACRES, SO THE THREE UNDEVELOPED RECTANGLES THAT YOU SEE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD, THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I'M SURE WE WILL MAKE THEM PAY FOR THEIR HALF OF THE ROAD AND THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WHEN YOU WERE SAYING PIONEERING AGREEMENT, I'M LIKE, WELL, DO THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT HALF OF THE ROAD? WELL, SO THE PART, THE PART OF WHAT WE WERE BEING ASKED TO DO IS DO THE WHOLE ROAD. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND IN WHICH CASE PIONEER AGREEMENTS WOULD HAVE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE. RIGHT. BUT YOUR PROPOSAL IS NOT TO DO THE WHOLE ROAD. SO PIONEERING AGREEMENTS REALLY DON'T MEAN WE CAN'T DO THE WHOLE ROAD. WE CAN'T DO IT. WELL, YOU CAN'T DO THE PART THAT THE THAT THE. THE FARM. NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU CAN'T DO THE EAST SIDE. THANK YOU. HIGHLANDS LOOP ROAD TO THE UP THEIR MESSES UP THE BOULDERS. YEAH. THE BOULDERS AREN'T GOING TO DON'T WANT TO SELL. SO IF WE WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT FROM YOU. WE'D HAVE TO. RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE WHICH I'M GUESSING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO. YEAH. THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE NEVER EVER EVER, EVER EVER. THESE GUYS HAVE SAID THERE'S NO AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY CAN OFFER TO BUY THAT HALF THE ROAD. AND I HAVE NO KNOWING THE BOULDERS. I HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT THAT. 
          RIGHT. SO REALLY, BRANT, YOU'RE YOU'RE JUST ASKING ON BEHALF OF YOUR CLIENTS FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A HALF ROAD. I AM ASKING FOR THE CLIENTS TO CONSIDER AND RECONSIDER SOME OF WHAT THEY ADVISED US BEFORE, BECAUSE THEY ADVISE US TO GET THE WHOLE ROAD, IMPROVE THE WHOLE ROAD. AND I'M ASKING YOU TO RECONSIDER TO THAT. WE WILL TAKE ALL OF THIS. WE WILL PARTICIPATE AND HELP GETTING ALL THAT BUILT. TAYLOR. IT'S BUILT TO WHATEVER IT'S BUILT TO, RIGHT? RIGHT. IT'S ALREADY BUILT THERE. SO WE'RE NOT BLOCKING RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT ENDS. YEAH. EXCEPT FOR THE CURB, GUTTER AND SIDEWALK. THAT IS PART OF THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S NOT. YEAH. THERE IS NOT CURB. RIGHT. RIGHT THERE. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE THAT DEPOSIT FROM THAT EVERYTHING ACCURATELY. YEAH, I THINK SO. WAITING A SECOND HERE. 
          SO WHO PAID TO BUILD THE ROAD 5490 UP TO HIGHLAND LOOP ROAD. BECAUSE EVERYBODY WHO BUILT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. OKAY. BUT BARB BUT THIS ANDERSON DEVELOPMENT WILL BE BENEFITING FROM THAT ROAD, RIGHT? FOR THAT MATTER, THE BENEFITING FROM 7800 SOUTH I MEAN. I'M JUST I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY HALFWAY BUILT. SO. AND IF WE'RE ONLY BUILDING ONE LANE, I DON'T. 
          IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OR WEST SIDE. EXCUSE ME. YEAH. THE BOULDERS. IS THE FARM OKAY? THE FIRST. SO YOU SEE THE THREE THAT ARE COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPED THE PETERSONS WANTED TO DO. 
          YEAH. TALKED ABOUT LAST, LAST MEETING. YEAH. THE NEXT ONE UP IS BOULDERS. THE NEXT THE NEXT 2 OR 3, THEY GOT 2 OR 3. OKAY. AND IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THESE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT THE IMPROVEMENT. AM I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY. THE BOWLERS DO NOT WANT TO THEY DON'T WANT TO SELL. 
          WELL NO THAT PART IT'S THE ROAD. I'M JUST SAYING THEY DON'T WANT TO SELL THAT PORTION OF THE ROAD. OKAY. THIS IS BOULDER IS RIGHT THERE. YOU WANT CONFIRMATION? YEAH. THE WAY THAT THE ROAD IS SET UP IS EACH PROPERTY OWNER OWNS TO THE CENTER OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS EITHER ROAD'S PRIVATE. OKAY. AND SO WE OWN TO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD ACROSS FROM DAVE FARMER'S PROPERTY. AND WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN GOING ANYWHERE SELLING IT. SO. YEAH. 
          OKAY. WE'RE REQUIRING THAT WE DO THE EAST SIDE. YEAH. WELL, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE FUTURE OF 5490 IS A THORNY SUBJECT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING. 5490 AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AT LEAST THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN AT THE CITY HAS BEEN UNDERSTOOD THAT SOMEDAY, RIGHT, IT WILL BE A PUBLIC ROAD. SO IT'S IT'S GOING AND IT'S HAPPENED CHUNK BY CHUNK AS AS IT'S GONE NORTH, RIGHT? AS PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE SOLD AS I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE ALWAYS FARMED OR IF THEY WERE JUST BIG LOTS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT AS, AS DEVELOPMENT HAS HAPPENED, IT'S BEEN HAPPENING. THE QUESTION IS WHEN IS SOMEDAY IS SOMEDAY HERE IS THIS SOMEDAY? IS THIS THE SOMEDAY WHERE THE CITY GOES? YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE BUYING THE ROAD. WE'RE GOING TO PUT A 
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REAL CITY LIKE CITY WIDE ROAD IN, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A CITY ROAD. AND IT JUST IS GOING BACK TO THE YELLOW AND BLUE. OR DO WE BACK OFF OF THAT AND SAY, SORRY, THAT'S NOT NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. AND WE MAKE THEM FIT THEIR DEVELOPMENT IN WITH. NOT HAVING A PUBLIC GOING TO JUST TY OPINION HERE. SO I'M GOING TO TAKE OUT MY CITY COUNCIL GOGGLES. I'M GOING TO TAKE OUT YOUR GOGGLES AND TAKE OUT TAYLOR'S GOGGLES. IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M SAYING, OKAY, YOU'RE DOING THE BLUE PERFECT. BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEVELOPING THAT AREA, THE YELLOW. I'M SAYING THE CITY ALREADY GOT MONEY TO DO THOSE. SO HE'S GOT A GOOD POINT. WHY ARE WE ASKING THEM TO FINISH THE YELLOW PART? SHOULDN'T WE DO IT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          TO YOUR POINT, WE WERE WILLING TO WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT AMOUNTS WERE ASKED TO DO THAT. SO WE SAID, LET'S JUST DO A HALF ALL THE WAY UP BECAUSE WE NEED TO PROVIDE FIRE ACCESS. THAT'S IMPORTANT. RIGHT? SO WE GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY UP. AND SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER SOLUTION TO GET THE YELLOW DONE. SO WE'D SAY WE WOULD FACILITATE GETTING THAT DESIGN AND IMPLEMENT IT. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW IF HOW MUCH MONEY THE CITY HAD COLLECTED. WE'D HEARD THAT THAT HAD HAPPENED THROUGH DEFERMENT, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE INTENT WAS. WERE WE GOING TO SHARE A COST OR PIONEERING AGREEMENT WE TALKED ABOUT? SO I WASN'T SURE HOW WE WERE GOING TO SOLVE THAT. WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. WE DO FEEL A NEXUS. WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT. YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT. IT'S JUST WHERE DOES THE COST COME FROM? RIGHT? HOW DO WE HOW DO WE ENVISION DOING THAT? IS IT A SHARED COST? IS IT A PLANNING AGREEMENT? HOW DO WE DO THE YELLOW PART? WE WE FEEL FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BLUE PART. THAT'S FRONTAGE TO OUR PROPERTY. AND THESE ARE GOOD CONVERSATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS TO HAVE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WITHOUT THE COUNCIL'S BLESSING OF APPROVING A HALF WIDTH ROAD, OUR ENGINEERS HAVEN'T ENGAGED IN THAT LEVEL OF CONVERSATION. YEAH, WHICH IS FINE. I THINK WE'RE IN THE RIGHT FORUM TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. I JUST THINK, LET'S HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. WE'RE ALL HERE. WE'RE ALL IN THE ROOM. LET'S TALK ABOUT IT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS. I THINK THE ANSWER WE NEED TO KNOW IS IF THE COUNCIL'S COMFORTABLE WITH A HALF WIDTH ROAD OR NOT, BECAUSE CODE DOESN'T ALLOW US TO DO THAT. IS IT IS IT GOING TO BE A HALF WITH SOME ELBOW ROOM LIKE THE OTHER PLACE, 12FT, EXHIBIT 64. THAT'S JUST THE LANE. WE HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE. OUR ENGINEERS HAVE LAID IT IN, SO THAT HALF OF THE COLLECTOR ROAD WOULD COMFORTABLY FIT ON OUR PROPERTY. OVER INTO THE CONCEPT THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN. SO WE CAN COMFORTABLY DO THE HALF WIDTH OF THE ROAD TO TRY AND PRESERVE THE ALIGNMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY LAID IN THE BEST. THAT'S WHAT TRAFFIC AND THE ROADS DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDED THAT WE CONTINUE THE SAME RIGHT OF WAY STANDARD THAT HAD BEEN IMPLEMENTED AT BELLA'S AND WINTER CIRCLE AND CONTINUE IT NORTH. AND THAT'S HOW IT IN AND HAVE SUFFICIENT GROUNDS TO PROVIDE THAT. AND, AND THE PARTIAL RIGHT OF WAY EXHIBIT ON THE RIGHT IS PURELY CONCEPTUAL. TO DEMONSTRATE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO VEHICLES. THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR CURB, GUTTER, SIDEWALK, PARK STRIP ON ONE SIDE. ON ONE SIDE. WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE ACTUAL ASPHALT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? THERE'S. I'M BLIND. YOU'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE ME. YEAH. THERE'S NO WAY I CAN SEE THAT. SIX. 06216 SORRY. SO THEY'LL BE STILL ROOM FOR TWO CARS TO PASS. TWO CORRECT. AND ONE OF THEM CAN EVEN BE A TYPICAL LANE OF TRAFFIC IS 12FT. THIS IS A COLLECTOR ROAD. SO. 11 CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY IF WHO ARE YOU? I'M JEREMY SORENSON, I LIVE ON JUST SOUTH OF DAVE BARBER. MY BACKYARD FACES. HIS PROPERTY IS IS DIRECTLY BEHIND HIS PROPERTY. MADAM CHAIR, IS IT OKAY? JEREMY SORENSEN? I'M SORRY. OKAY. I'M. STOP. YES. THAT'S FINE. I'M JUST CURIOUS ON THIS RIGHT OF WAY, IF THE BOWLERS OWN HALF OF THE ROAD CURRENTLY, ARE WE NOT ENCROACHING ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY IF THE CITY APPROVES THAT RIGHT OF WAY? I JUST DON'T KNOW. NO, THAT'S EXACTLY THAT'S GREAT. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THAT'S EXACTLY THE QUESTION THOUGH, IS IF WE ALLOW A HALF WIDTH ROAD, THEN WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING ON BOWLER PROPERTY BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC WILL BE DRIVING ON THAT PORTION OF THE ROAD WHEN IT'S EXITING. IF THEY'RE DRIVING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          GREAT POINT. IS IT DIRT? NO, IT'S IT'S JUST NOT WELL, IT'S IT'S PARTIALLY PAVED. YEAH. 
          IT'S JUST NOT IT'S NOT PAVED CITY STANDARDS, BUT IT'S PAID BOWLERS CAN ALWAYS PUT UP A FENCE. RIGHT. YEAH. WE DID TALK TO OUR ENGINEER TALKED ABOUT THE CREST. SO THEY LINE UP. SO IT'S NOT A TRAFFIC SAFETY. IF YOU GOT LIKE A THREE INCH DROP BETWEEN THE ROADS ETC. SO IT'S IT'LL BE A SMOOTH SURFACE AND ENZYME ENGINEERING DID THE DESIGN ON THAT. SO THAT AND THAT'S WHY I THINK I HAVE WITH ROAD DOESN'T WORK IS BECAUSE BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING YOU'RE NOT BUILDING WITH ROAD NEXT TO NEXT TO AN UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY. YOU'RE BUILDING A HALF ROAD 
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NEXT TO A ROAD. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HALF WIDTH ROAD PLUS A QUARTER WIDTH ROAD OR A THIRD WIDTH ROAD OR SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, BUT NOBODY DRIVING ON. THAT'S GOING TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HALF WIDTH PUBLIC ROAD AND THEN A, HOW DO YOU SPLIT A ROAD DOWN THE MIDDLE AND SAY, SORRY, YOU CAN ONLY DRIVE ON THE PUBLIC SIDE BESIDES PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND YOU CAN PUT BOLLARDS UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, I MEAN, IF WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A WAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THIS THIS MAY BE SOMEDAY IT MAY BE TIME FOR 5490 TO BE DEDICATED. AND I DON'T WANT TO BE THE GUY TO DO THAT, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO DO IT SOMEDAY. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE GUY TO DO IT, BUT I DON'T EITHER HAPPENS OR OR I THINK IT'S TIME. IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN THIS DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T HAPPEN. I DON'T SEE HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS WITHOUT THAT HAPPENING. OKAY, SO WE ARE AT TIME. DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS AND ALL ABOUT THE ROAD? I FEEL LIKE I NEED SOME MORE TIME TO THINK IT THROUGH. I DO AS WELL. IF IT HELPS, WE CAN HAVE ENZYME COME IN AND EXPLAIN HOW THOSE ROADS MIGHT. WE HAD A VERY LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LAYOUT ON THAT. THE OTHER. THE OTHER THING THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED IS THE REQUEST FOR LOTS THAT ARE UNDER 12,000FT, AND THE COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY SAID, WE'LL WE'LL ALLOW OUR. 112 YES. AND I'D ALSO LIKE THE ADDITIONAL BULLET POINTS OUTSIDE OF THE ROAD TO BE ADDRESSED. BUT THAT SAID THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS NOT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO DO SO. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK. WE DO NEED TO BRING THIS BACK. AT LEAST THIS FACILITATES SOME SOME DIALOG, SOME COMMUNICATION TO MR. BATEMAN'S POINT WHERE WE CAN WE CAN FIND ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED TONIGHT. YEAH, DEFINITELY. ABSOLUTELY. SO WE WILL MOVE THIS FURTHER DISCUSSION TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. YOU GUYS GET TO COME BACK. WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE AN ENGINEER COME TO EXPLAIN HOW THAT ROAD MIGHT ALIGN? WELL, IF IT HELPS, I JUST DON'T SEE A PRACTICAL WAY OF DOING IT. HALF OF A PRIVATE ROAD AND HALF OF A PUBLIC ROAD. 
          I DON'T I DON'T SEE HOW YOU DO THAT. I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S EVEN. LIKE JEREMY SAID, IT JUST DOESN'T IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. IT SHOWS THE DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT. THE ROAD THAT GOES OUT ON TO 5490. WASN'T IT GOING TO BE GATED ROAD FOR EMERGENCY ONLY? YEAH, NO, WE WERE ASKING FOR A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. YEAH. THE WHOLE REASON. IS IT POSSIBLE THE WHOLE REASON YOU EVEN HAVE THAT OUTLET. WE NEED A FIRE. WE NEED FOR FIRE RESPONSE. LIKE THE FIRST ONE THAT CAME. THEY DIDN'T WANT OUTLET ON THE 5490 AT ALL. BUT WE COULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF TIME OF FIRES AND ALL. THAT'S RIGHT. FIRE RESPONSE TIME. IF YOU HAD A GATED SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE DROP OFF. SO ONLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD THEN THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST IN LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT MAKES ALL OF THE TRAFFIC FROM 20 HOMES GO THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF THROUGH. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY, SO WE WILL MOVE THIS TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. AND BEFORE WE ADJOURN, ARE THERE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS? THANK YOU, BY THE WAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE WON'T WE WILL KEEP YOU HIGHER UP IN THE AGENDA. I THINK OUR CONVERSATION WOULD GO AS LONG AS IT WAS. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. PLEASE LOOK THAT UP. OKAY. SO ARE THERE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS TO DISCUSS? I WILL ADJOURN, IT
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.