Aug 25, 2026 Committee of the Whole

[Call to Order]

[a. Follow up Discussion of Revised Concept Plan, Land Use, and Zoning for Sundial Townhomes (West Ridge Academy)]

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INTERFACE BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE BUSINESSES TO THE SOUTH. WE HOPE THERE. CAN YOU MIND TALKING JUST A LITTLE BIT LOUDER? YEAH. IF YOU CAN, I CAN.

OKAY. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OH, RIGHT. I'M SORRY. YEAH. SO. SO WITH THAT, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR BIG ISSUES AGAIN, IS JUST THAT INTERFACE BETWEEN THAT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT SOUTH AND, AND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, I THINK ON THE REVISED CONCEPT PLAN, IT'S YOU'RE BASICALLY SHOWING THE TOWNHOMES OR LINE OF TOWNHOMES ALONG THAT STREET. ONE OF THE CHANGES TO THE THIS PLAN IS TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT AND DO A BERM OR A TWO FOOT BERM WITH A FENCE ON TOP OF THAT TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT TO PROVIDE THAT BUFFER IN BETWEEN THOSE USES. I THINK WE GET. WE GET A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CALLS ON FROM THOSE BUSINESSES AND PARKING ON THAT STREET. UNDERSTAND THAT FAIRLY REGULARLY. YEAH. AND YEAH, AND IT'S IT'S INTERESTING, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNCIL'S BEEN OUT THERE AND I THINK GENERALLY DDI HAS HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AT LISTENING TO THE COUNCIL AND REVISING THEIR PLAN. AND I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING ARE WELL, SO TODAY IS, IS, IS A GOOD REFLECTION ON LISTENING TO THE COUNCIL. BUT AGAIN, RAY RAY IS RIGHT. THE INTERFACE BETWEEN THE TWO USES IT SAYS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. AS YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, THERE'S SOME HEAVY USES. EVEN I, I RECEIVE A LOT OF THOSE, THOSE PHONE CALLS PERSONALLY. AND IT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA COMPLAINING ABOUT OTHER BUSINESSES AS BUSINESSES COMPLAINING ABOUT OTHER BUSINESSES. IT'S THAT INTENSE. AND SO THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN IS HOW DO YOU MITIGATE, HOW DO YOU BUFFER AND TRANSITION AND PROTECT THOSE POTENTIAL FUTURE RESIDENTS? SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN, MAIN ISSUES. THE CITY RECEIVES A LOT OF TRAFFIC, A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC, FOR EXAMPLE, TRUCK OR SALT DEPOT AS THEY RAMP UP THEIR SEASONAL BUSINESS. SOMETIMES IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET UP AND DOWN THOSE THOSE ROADS, NOT TO MENTION SOME OF THE OTHER

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I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S GOING TO BE QUITE THE THE CONCERNS TO THE NORTH ON THAT, SINCE YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT USE ESTABLISHED IN THAT REGIONAL APPROACH. BUT WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT INTERFACE ALONG THAT ALONG THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA. AND THEN ALSO THAT INTERFACE TO THE EAST AS WELL. SO REALLY QUICK, I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS HAS JOINED US. THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT, WALK YOU THROUGH. SURE. THANKS FOR HAVING US BACK AGAIN WITH THE AI AND BRIAN FLAM. ALSO WITH DIE, WE'RE BOTH KIND OF BOUNCE OFF OF EACH OTHER A LITTLE BIT. OUR BRAINS THINK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. SO IF I FORGET TO BRING SOMETHING UP, HOPEFULLY HE'S HERE TO CATCH ME AND VICE VERSA ON THAT. BUT APPRECIATE RAY JUST KIND OF INTRODUCING WHERE WE'VE COME WITH THIS. JUST A LITTLE CONTEXT. AGAIN, WE'VE HAD A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING WITH STAFF THAT HAPPENED BACK IN FEBRUARY. WE MADE A NUMBER OF ITERATIONS TO OUR CONCEPT PLAN. WE CAME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE IN MAY, MAY 26TH. I BELIEVE THAT INITIAL ONE WAS HURT. A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK. WE'VE INCORPORATED A LOT OF THAT FEEDBACK INTO THE PLAN. MET WITH STAFF AGAIN DURING THAT TIME. HAD A FEW NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WITH SURROUNDING RESIDENTS. BRIAN HAS EVEN GONE DOOR TO DOOR WITH SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL USERS, LEFT FLIERS WITH THEM, AND TALKED TO SOME OF THEM PERSONALLY, JUST TO GET FEEDBACK AND INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK INTO THE PLAN THAT WE'VE NOW GOT BEFORE YOU TODAY. AND NOW WE'RE BACK. SO WE ARE HOPING THAT WITH SOME OF THESE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET MORE DEFINITIVE FEEDBACK, MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR APPLICATION PROCESS AND KEEP THIS THING FORMALLY MOVING, MOVING AHEAD. SO I WANT TO WALK THROUGH ALL THOSE NOT TRYING TO IGNORE THE INDUSTRIAL ONE. I'VE GOT A FEW SLIDES THAT I THINK WILL HELP PREPARE US FOR A GOOD DISCUSSION ON THAT, AND HOW THAT BUFFERS BETWEEN THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE THERE AND THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USES. SO I'LL GET TO THAT. BUT I REALLY WANT TO WALK THROUGH WHAT THE CHALLENGES OVER THE NEXT YEAR. THIS IS JUST A ZONING MAP AS A REMINDER OF WHERE THINGS ARE AT. ONE OF OUR FORMAL APPLICATIONS WOULD BE A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, A REZONE. WE'D HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND ALL OF THOSE DETAILS WOULD BE CAPTURED WITHIN THAT MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THIS IS THE REVISED PLAN. THIS MIGHT NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH A LOT OF CONTEXT WITHOUT SEEING THE PREVIOUS ONE. SO I'VE PREPARED THEM LIKE THIS.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. SO IF WE NEED TO JUMP BACK TO THIS ONE, I'M HAPPY TO.

BUT REALLY I THINK THIS IS HELPFUL. IS IT OKAY IF I STAND AND POINT AT THE TV? OKAY. I THINK THIS IS HELPFUL TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE CHANGES IN. VISUALIZE WHERE WE WERE AT THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING ON MAY 26TH AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. AND SO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD AT THAT MEETING, MEETINGS WITH STAFF, MEETING WITH RESIDENTS WERE PARKING, TRAFFIC DENSITY, YOU KNOW, THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE INDUSTRIAL AND THE EXISTING, THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL. THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIVITY, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S APPROPRIATE. AND SO I WANT TO TRY TO ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THOSE AND HOW WE'VE PROPOSED SOLVING THOSE ISSUES. FIRST OF ALL, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE UNIT COUNT HAS DROPPED. WE'VE WE'VE GONE DOWN BY 46 UNITS. AND SO THAT PUT OUR DENSITY.

ORIGINALLY WE WERE AT ABOUT 10.8. WE'RE NOW BELOW THAT. AT 9.6, WE'VE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING. AND WITH THE REDUCTION IN UNITS AND THE ADDITION OF PARKING, WE'VE GONE FROM ABOUT 3.75 UNITS OR 3.75 SPACES, INCLUDING GARAGES, DRIVEWAYS, OFF STREET PARKING TO ABOVE FOUR. SO FOUR POINT, ALMOST 4.4 PARKING STALLS PER UNIT. A COUPLE OF OTHER MAJOR THINGS THAT AREN'T SHOWN HERE IN THIS TABLE. ORIGINALLY, WE HAD THESE UNITS FRONTING BAGLEY AND COUNCIL BROUGHT UP, AND WE'VE TALKED WITH STAFF AS WELL. IT'D BE GOOD TO FLIP THOSE. SO

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AND AGAIN, I'VE GOT A SLIDE THAT WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. HOW HIGH IS YOUR BERM? TWO FEET. SO YOUR TOTAL. TOTAL TEN FEET. THANKS. YEAH. I WAS I AND AND I SHOULD POINT OUT TO YOU THERE'S SOME TOPO I DON'T HAVE TOPO ON HERE. THERE'S THERE'S TOPO THAT A LOT OF THIS FALLS OFF AS WELL. AND SO THAT HELPS BUFFER SOME OF THIS FROM THIS BECAUSE IT SITS A LITTLE BIT. PARKING. I'VE GOT A PARKING MAP THAT I'LL PULL UP A LITTLE BIT LATER THAT SHOWS WHERE WE'VE ADDED PARKING. YOU CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER HAS GONE UP, BUT WHERE WE'VE PLACED THAT AS WELL AS IS VERY THOUGHT OUT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS WAS SAFETY CONCERNS REGARDING THIS TRAIL, CONNECTING IT TO THE EXISTING WILDFLOWER PARK.

SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE NEW CONCEPT PLAN, WE'VE TAKEN THAT OFF AND INSTEAD WE'VE PROPOSED A SIDEWALK ALONG BAGLEY THAT WOULD CONNECT DOWN TO OLD BINGHAM HIGHWAY AND UP INTO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD ON RIDGE PEAK DRIVE. I WILL NOTE FROM MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE CONCERN INITIALLY WAS PUT THE TRAIL BACK THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT RESIDENTS OUT WALKING. BUT THE BUSINESS OWNERS POINTED OUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WALKING OUT THERE, AND IF THERE'S NO SIDEWALK, THEN THEY ARE ON THE ROAD, AND THAT'S A BIGGER SAFETY CONCERN.

SO WE MET WITH STAFF AND WORKED IT BACK. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHY. AND SO WITH THE ADDITION OF THAT SIDEWALK, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE PRECAST WALL ON THE BERM, THAT'S ACTUALLY PUSHED THESE UNITS EVEN A LITTLE FURTHER FROM THAT THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. YOU SAID A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE IT WOULD END HERE. OH, BUT IT CONNECTS TO THE IT CONNECTS TO THE NORTH AND I CAN'T RECALL. AND SCOTT OR RAY, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE THE SIDEWALK PICKS UP HERE. I KNOW THERE'S SOME IN FRONT OF THIS NEWER DEVELOPMENT ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF BAGLEY, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT'S AT ON ON THE REST OF BAGLEY. SO THAT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE A BETTER IDEA.

BUT. OKAY. RIGHT. AND I'M BRINGING IT UP TO SEE THIS IS ONE OF OUR SOLUTIONS TO SAYING RATHER THAN HAVING CONNECTIVITY THROUGH HERE, WHICH THE RESIDENTS OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WANT NECESSARILY ALL OF THESE CONNECTIONS COMING THROUGH HERE TO THE PARK, TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE PROPOSE TAKING THAT TRAIL OUT AND PUTTING UP A PRECAST FENCE RIGHT HERE. SO WALKING UP THE PARK FROM THIS AT ALL? YEAH, THAT WAS THE SOLUTION. THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO AS A CITY. I MEAN, IT'S A CITY PARK AND WE'RE GOING TO BLOCK OFF A WHOLE PARK, A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. SURE, SURE. YEAH. AND THAT'S HOPEFULLY WHAT WE GET OUT OF THIS MEETING IS HERE'S WHAT WE COME WITH IN TERMS OF SOLUTIONS TO THE ISSUES. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM. I'M JUST. RIGHT, RIGHT. BLOCKING OFF A PARK IS KIND OF LIKE, WHOA. AND THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN GET AROUND THAT. BUT I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS PART OF THIS MEETING. PARKING. AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND CONNECTIVITY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY. WE'VE MADE THAT AVAILABLE. ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, AND WE RECOGNIZED THAT NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO ADDRESS IT, IS THERE'S AN EXISTING ROAD RIGHT HERE WITH THE WESTRIDGE PROPERTY AND THAT'S GATED, BUT THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC COMING HERE THROUGH RICH PEAK, WE HOPE. AND I THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS US A LITTLE BIT THAT MORE TRAFFIC, NOT ALL OF IT, BUT MORE TRAFFIC WILL FLOW TO 5600 WEST BECAUSE THAT'S A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. SO PEOPLE WILL HAVE AN EASIER TIME TURNING LEFT ON THE 90TH SOUTH. NOW, YOU'LL LIKELY STILL GET PEOPLE TURNING RIGHT ONTO 90 SOUTH FROM RICH PEAK. BUT HOPEFULLY AGAIN, AS, AS WE BUILD THIS OUT, YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE PEOPLE GOING TO 5600. BRIAN. ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO CAPTURE WITH THIS SLIDE AND WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS ONE TO COMPARE PREVIOUS TO PROPOSED, I WILL MAKE ONE MORE ONE MORE CALL OUT. IF YOU RECALL FROM OUR DISCUSSION IN MAY, WE THESE ARE EXISTING BUILDINGS. WE HAD PROPOSED CONVERTING THOSE TO LIKE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY'RE A SINGLE STORY SLAB ON GRADE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING THAT WAS CURRENTLY USED BY WESTRIDGE AS PART OF THE GIRLS CAMPUS. WE HAD PROPOSED KEEPING THOSE AND CONVERTING THEM TO SOME TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR SOME SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. AS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT MORE, I DIDN'T SENSE A LOT OF APPETITE FOR THAT. AND SO WHAT WE PROPOSE IS ACTUALLY JUST REMOVING THOSE ENTIRELY AND REPLACING THOSE WITH UNITS THAT FIT THE REST OF THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO WORK

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SO NOW WE JUST HAVE TWO STORY UNITS AND A MIXTURE OF FRONT AND REAR LOAD. AND THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE A UNIT THAT WE CALL AN IMPERIAL UNIT. AND I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME, IT IS A THE EASIEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT IS A TOWNHOME WITH AN ADU, WHICH IS NOT REALLY TRUE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PERMITTED. RIGHT. BUT IT LIVES ALMOST LIKE A TWO UNIT APARTMENT IN THE OWNERS, IN THE SENSE THAT THEY'RE TOTALLY DIVIDED UNITS. BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STREET, IT LOOKS LIKE ONE TOWNHOME. I PROVIDED A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WITH THAT, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON YOUR GROUND FLOOR. YOU HAVE A ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATHROOM UNIT THAT'S ACCESSED FROM THE FRONT OR THE BACK, FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND ON THE TOP FLOOR, YOU HAVE A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATHROOM UNIT, AND EACH UNIT HAS ITS OWN GARAGE ON DRIVEWAY SPACE. AND THIS IS THE ACCESS TO THE UPSTAIRS UNIT. AND THEN ON THE INTERNAL UNITS, THE ACCESS IS IN BETWEEN THOSE UNITS. AND I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T BRING A BETTER PICTURE TO SHOW WHERE THOSE ARE ACCESSED, BUT WE'VE TAKEN STAFF OUT. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO OUT AS WELL AND TOUR OUR PROJECT IN WEST VALLEY. IT'S CALLED H2O, WHERE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THESE UNITS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF DEMAND. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A ONE BEDROOM TOWNHOME. RIGHT. AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE FOUND THE MARKET REALLY HAS WANTED. AND IT PROVIDES TOWNHOME LIVING, BUT MORE OF AN APARTMENT STYLE SIZE. AND I PROVIDED THESE. I'M HAPPY TO STOP ON THESE. I'LL TOUCH THEM REAL QUICK. THIS IS YOUR MAIN FLOOR. THE ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATHROOM. HERE'S YOUR ENTRANCE. THE GARAGE FOR THAT. WE ALSO HAVE AN OPTION FOR NO GARAGE. SO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE YOU CAN DO. NO GARAGE ON THAT SAME FLOOR PLAN. AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK TO THESE IF THAT'S HELPFUL FOR THE DISCUSSION. THIS IS THE UPSTAIRS UNIT ENTRANCE HERE. I'M SORRY. ENTRANCE HERE. WALK UP THE STAIRS. TWO BEDROOMS, TWO BATHROOMS, LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN. THIS ONE'S ABOUT 1300FT■!S. JUST FOR SOME CONTEX. SO WE HAVE. LAID OUT HERE OUR AMENITY PLAN. AS YOU SEE THIS, THIS AREA, JUST FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, THIS IS ABOUT FOUR ACRES. IT'S CURRENTLY A DETENTION POND RETENTION. I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW. GREG. DETENTION. THANK YOU.

RETENTION. AND AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT, HOW TO SIZE UP WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DAVE HAS HAD US LOOK AT IS POTENTIALLY DISCHARGING SOME OF THAT INTO HERE, WHICH WOULD WHICH WOULD MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE USABLE. AND SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE COULD DO THERE. WE FOUND A LOT OF SUCCESS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE'VE DONE, PROVIDING DOG PARKS FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN COME.

AND IT'S DOG FRIENDLY, PET FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO HAVING A DOG PARK WHERE PEOPLE CAN TAKE THEIR PETS IS HUGE. AND THEN WE'RE BIG ABOUT FINDING PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN CONNECT. SO WE LOVE THE IDEA OF PROGRAMABLE LARGE OPEN SPACES. A LOT OF WHAT WE PROPOSE ARE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME TOGETHER, AND THEY CAN SIT AT A BARBECUE PIT, PLAY SOME CORNHOLE. THERE'S THERE'S A FIRE, YOU KNOW, PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET TOGETHER AND GET TO KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS. SO HOW BIG IS THAT OUTDOOR PING PONG? THIS ONE'S ABOUT HALF AN ACRE THAT SIZE. SO FOR CONTEXT, THOSE ARE EACH ABOUT HALF AN ACRE RIGHT THERE. THAT ONE'S ABOUT HALF AN ACRE. AND THAT ONE'S A QUARTER OF AN ACRE RIGHT THERE. THIS IS AN EXISTING BUILDING, THE CLUBHOUSE THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE BOYS RANCH, TO THE WESTRIDGE PROPERTY, THIS IS WHERE THE ROPES COURSE IS AT. IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN INSIDE THERE, WE WOULD LOVE TO KEEP THIS BUILDING AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING IT. AND I'VE GOT A PLAN LAID OUT OF WHAT WE COULD, WHAT WE PLAN TO DO WITH THAT, TO CONVERT THAT TO A CLUBHOUSE AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS. WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO PUT IN FRONT OF THERE A POOL SPA AREA THAT I'LL SHOW SOME MORE DETAIL ON PEOPLE TO CONVERT AND JUST BUILD A NEW ONE. BRIAN. IT WOULD BE CHEAPER TO BUILD A SMALLER NEW ONE, BUT TO GET ONE

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THESE ARE JUST SOME OTHERS THAT WE BUILT. I CAN COME BACK TO THESE IF WE NEED TO, BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE CONNECTION AREAS. SO THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR IN SCALE TO THAT HALF ACRE AREA THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN BETWEEN THE TOWNHOMES. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED WITH THAT EXISTING BUILDING FOR A CLUBHOUSE. THIS IS WHERE THAT ROPES COURSE IS. THIS IS CURRENTLY LIKE A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN. AND WE WOULD CONVERT THAT INTO A FITNESS AREA. WE'VE GOT INDOOR PLAYGROUNDS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. AND THIS IS WHAT WE PROPOSE HERE. YOUR POOL WOULD BE OUT FRONT HERE, SOME OFFICE AREA. AND SO AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND SOME GOLF SIMULATORS THAT DON'T SHOW. BUT YEAH, IT'S HUGE. COMMUNITIES JUST PICKED UP STEAM LIKE CRAZY. IT'S INTERESTING. I THOUGHT THEY WERE ONLY REALLY FOR GOLFERS UNTIL THERE'S ONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND WATCHING ALL THE KIDS GO OVER THERE ON DATES AND JUST PLAY, I WAS LIKE, OH, I GUESS IT'S NOT JUST GOLFERS TRYING TO GET BETTER, IT'S INDOOR GOLF. AND FOR THOSE OF US THAT PRETEND TO GOLF, YEAH, RIGHT. OKAY, SO THIS IS THAT BUILDING JUST WITH THE POOL DETAIL LAID OUT IN FRONT OF IT. SO HERE WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FENCING. EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN RED IS AN EXISTING SIX FOOT PRECAST FENCE. AND I BELIEVE THIS WAS INSTALLED WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH DEVELOPED. AND WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, IS AN EIGHT FOOT PRECAST FENCE IN ALL OF THE AREAS WHERE THERE ISN'T AN EXISTING SIX FOOT PRECAST FENCE. THIS IS CURRENTLY, I BELIEVE, JUST LIKE A THREE RAIL FENCE ALONG THERE. AND SO WE WOULD REPLACE THAT WITH THE PRECAST.

THIS SHOWS SOME OF THE CONNECTIVITY. AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE BIG ON CREATING CONNECTION AND FINDING WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO ONE ANOTHER. SO THIS JUST SHOWS ALL OF THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, INCLUDING ONE ALONG BAGLEY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. THIS IS THAT PARKING MAP. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT AGAIN, EVERYTHING'S GOT A TWO CAR GARAGE WITH THE DRIVEWAY. AND WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON HERE IS THESE YELLOW CHUNKS OF PARKING IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS. SO THE SHORTEST IS 20. AND BECAUSE OF THE CURVATURE THEY GO UP FROM THERE. WE WE'VE ADDED A LARGE CHUNK OF THESE ADDITIONAL PARKING AREAS THAT ARE OFF STREET. 22 FOR, FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING, YOU'LL WE FIND THAT IT'S HUGE TO HAVE THESE AREAS. THEY DON'T ALWAYS FILL UP. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT DRIVES A BIGGER TRUCK OR YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF GUESTS OVER HAVING THESE HUGE CHUNKS ACTUALLY PROMOTES GOOD PARKING AND TAKES IT, WE HOPE, OFF OF BAGLEY OR OFF OF RIDGE PEAK. SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE PRIVATE, PRIVATE. WHERE ARE THE UTILITIES GOING THEN. SO THERE ARE SOME EXISTING UTILITIES THAT RUN THROUGH HERE. THIS IS AN EXISTING ROOF. THERE'S SOME EXISTING UTILITIES HERE. THAT'S WHERE THE REST OF THE CAMPUS. YEAH NORTH CAMPUS. AND I'VE GOT A MAP THAT SHOWS EXISTING CAMPUS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IF WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THAT ONE.

I PRESENTED THIS SLIDE PREVIOUSLY. ONE THING I'VE CHANGED IS WE HAVE THAT TRAIL, AS I MENTIONED, TO KIND OF CUT THROUGH HERE AND CONNECT IT DOWN TO THE TRACK STATION. WITH THE REMOVAL OF THAT, IT'S STILL ABOUT A MILE TO GET TO THE TRACK STATION FROM THE PROJECT, AND ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF A MILE TO GET TO THE BUS STOP ON 90TH SOUTH. AND THEN IN TERMS OF VEHICLE ACCESS, YOU'VE GOT A CONNECTION TO MOUNTAIN VIEW HERE, A CONNECTION TO MOUNTAIN VIEW. AT 90TH, YOU'VE GOT OLD BINGHAM, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE 90TH FOR TRAFFIC TO GO THROUGH.

AND THIS IS ONE THING THAT THE TRAFFIC REPORT DOES POINT OUT IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS IN AND OUT OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH HELPS KIND OF DIMINISH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD GO THERE. BUT OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE STILL ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU SHOULDN'T PUT THAT BLUE ONE UP THERE. THERE'S THAT. WE SHOULD. IT'S NOT GOING RIGHT NOW. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY COMING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE TOUGH PART WITH THAT BEING A PUBLIC ROAD, I GET THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T CLOSE IT EITHER. YEAH, BUT BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR BIGGEST PROBLEM THERE. AND I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE RESIDENTS. I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. IF I LIVED THERE, I'D BE NOT VERY HAPPY THAT THIS IS GOING IN AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT? SO I'M JUST SAYING, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T PUT THAT UP THERE. NO, YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT THERE. IT'S ACCURATE. IT'S

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AND THEN THE SAME THING IS TRUE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF BAGLEY. THERE'S THERE'S A SWALE ALONG THE ENTIRE SOUTH SIDE OF BAGLEY AND A NUMBER OF MATURE TREES THERE. AGAIN, WHERE THERE AREN'T THOSE MATURE TREES AND WHERE THERE THEY ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WE WOULD ASK TO PUT ADDITIONAL TREES THERE TO HELP BUFFER SOME OF THOSE SPACES. AND SO THIS ISN'T REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE INDUSTRIAL TO THIS INDUSTRIAL BUILDING OF ANY SPECIFIC USER, BUT JUST GENERALLY SOME OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE, THE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS AND AND THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USES. SO IT'S ABOUT 90FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE INDUSTRIAL LOTS TO THE BACK OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, AND ANYWHERE FROM 120 TO 180FT, DEPENDING UPON WHICH COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL LOT YOU'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS AND THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. ANYTHING TO ADD ON THIS ONE? BRIAN, YOU TALKED A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL USERS. NO, I MEAN, THE CONFLICT IS GENERALLY THE ONLY REAL THING THAT WOULD WORK FOR INDUSTRIAL. BUT THEN THAT'S JUST GOING TO PUSH THAT INDUSTRIAL USE UP AT SOME POINT. THERE HAS TO BE A TRANSITION. THAT'S A BIG ROAD WITH A WITH THAT BUFFERING, TALKING TO THE SALT GUYS THERE, YOU SAID IT'S DEFINITELY NOT PERFECT. YOU DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A SUGGESTION WHAT PERFECT WAS. BUT HE DID APPRECIATE THE SIDEWALK AND THE THE BERM. HE THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER. I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S HERE. I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH, BUT I DID TALK TO HIM AFTER TRYING TO. WE'RE TRYING TO LISTEN. SO. SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY. AGAIN, WE'VE TRIED TO TAKE ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS, FROM THE STAFF, FROM COUNCIL, INCORPORATE THAT INTO HERE. I'M RECOGNIZING THAT NOT EVERY SOLUTION IS PERFECT, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A LITTLE MORE FEEDBACK AND INCORPORATE THAT AND KEEP THIS THING MOVING FORWARD. BUT THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IS OUR ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE'S STILL ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AND DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. SO I'M HAPPY TO JUMP BACK TO ANOTHER SLIDE, IF THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE ARE YOU INTENDING TO USE AS RENTALS, KNOWING THAT IF YOU SELL IT, YOU DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL RENT IT? I GET THAT, BUT HOW MANY ARE YOU INTENDING TO SELL AS RENTALS? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TWO THIRDS FOR RENT, ONE THIRD FOR SALE. TO START ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT'S EASIER TO GO THE OTHER DIRECTION. RIGHT? IT'S EASIER FOR US TO SAY IT'S ALREADY PLATTED, READY FOR US TO JUST SELL. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL. SO IF YOU EVER SOLD A WHOLE PROJECT TO AMERICAN HOMES FOR RENT, DO YOU INTEND TO DO THAT? IF THEY COME, WILL YOU DO THAT? NO, WE'RE NOT VERY GOOD SELLERS, BUT AND WE'VE NEVER TALKED TO THEM ABOUT SELLING A PROJECT EVER.

ASIDE, IT'S HARD TO SAY NEVER, BUT IT'S NOT ON OUR RADAR. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT'S A COMMITMENT WE NEED TO MAKE, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE READY TO MAKE. AND WE DID A PROJECT ACTUALLY IN TAYLORSVILLE, WHERE THAT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. IS THIS KIND OF BAIT AND SWITCH IDEA. AND WE MADE COMMITMENTS TO THEM THAT NOT LIKE THAT'S EVER HAPPENED TO OUR COUNCIL BEFORE. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO WE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO BUILDING THE UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FOR SALE AND HOLDING THE ONES THAT ARE FOR RENT, BECAUSE WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN BE THE ONLY ONES IN THERE, IT'S A LOT MORE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO KEEP THE QUALITY UP, TO DRIVE THOSE CONNECTIONS AND TO INCORPORATE RESIDENT FEEDBACK AS WE GET THAT THROUGH THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PROJECT. SO YOU'RE STILL A LOT HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER FOR. SO I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT OFF, UNLESS YOU TELL ME HOW YOU'RE GETTING WATER, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT IN ANY WAY.

AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT WHAT I HEARD FROM RESIDENTS IS THE PARK THING. SO I AGREE, I DON'T

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PEOPLE JUST DON'T UNLESS THEY LIVE RIGHT THERE. EVEN WHEN THEY DO, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THE TOD BY JORDAN VALLEY HOSPITAL AND THEIR VEHICLES IS MORE THAN GET ON THAT TRACK STREAM. SO SO I, THE NEIGHBORS DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT. FOR ME, THIS IS TOO DENSE.

EVERY DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO BE 22FT. THAT'S OUR CODE. AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE DRIVEWAYS CURRENTLY. SO YOU COULDN'T HAVE YOUR SCENARIO WITHOUT A DRIVEWAY. EVERYTHING DOES HAVE DRIVEWAYS. I NEED THEM TO BE 22FT. BUT REALLY MY HERE ARE THE ISSUES. HERE ARE THE ISSUES. CHASE WAS THERE. SO HE'S ALREADY HEARD THIS, BUT SO EVERYONE ELSE HEARS WITH THE MEETING THAT KENT AND I DID, THE RESIDENTS CONCERN WERE THE PARK. THE WALK PATH THROUGH THERE, INCREASED TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC RENTALS, DRAINAGE AND THE HEIGHT. SO THANK YOU. YOU HAVE ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE THE BUSINESSES WOULD PREFER. AND I WAS ACTUALLY SHOCKED BECAUSE. MANY OF YOU WEREN'T ON THE COUNCIL THEN MAYBE JUST TWO OF US. BUT WE WERE LIKE, BECAUSE THEY DID BRING IN INDUSTRIAL USE AT ONE TIME. AND WE'RE LIKE, OH, WE DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS WILL WANT THAT.

SO IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING AT THAT MEETING TO HEAR THEM SAY THEY'D RATHER HAVE INDUSTRIAL.

I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN INDUSTRIAL CAME IN THAT SAID THEY WANTED TO HAVE BUSINESSES WOULD FOR SURE PREFER TO HAVE MORE BUSINESS. AND EVEN A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'D RATHER HAVE IT BE MORE BUSINESSES. AND I THINK I THINK PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE IF IT'S A BUSINESS LIKE MANY OF THEM ARE, THAT ARE OUT THERE, SURE, THEY HAVE SOME TRUCK TRAFFIC, AND SOMETIMES IT'S INTENSE, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS 600 CARS A DAY OR OVER. SO BUT FOR ME, I JUST IN FACT, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR. SEEING WHERE'S DUNCAN? THERE HE IS, RIGHT ACROSS FROM ME. I REALLY AM GETTING VERY WORRIED ABOUT US ENTITLING PROPERTIES AND SAYING YOU HAVE TO GO FIND YOUR OWN WATER WITHOUT THEM TELLING ME HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR WATER. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN'T BUILD UNTIL THEY'VE GOT THE WATER, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD PRACTICE. SO I WANT TO KNOW LEGALLY, CAN WE NOT ENTITLE PROPERTIES FOR MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE FOR THEM UNLESS THEY BRING US WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THE WATER? IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO? AGREEMENT PROCESS REQUIREMENT. SO TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE PRUDENT ON OUR PART TO SAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THE WATER, FIND IT NOW. BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WATER IN A DESERT. AND I DON'T THINK A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO WANT TO PAY FOR THE PLANT TO BE SALINIZED THAT WATER FROM THE PACIFIC OCEAN, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'LL CANCEL. IT'S JUST A GUESS. I THINK 189 TOWNHOMES IS TOTALLY FINE. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS, I THINK. THEY THEY REQUIRE OH REALLY FOR DEVELOPERS OR GETTING IT. THAT'S WHAT SOMEBODY'S THERE. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER SOUTH JORDAN TOLD ME THEY WERE TIRED FIRST. AND FOR MY $0.02, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT. I DON'T NEED THAT INFORMATION. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD THIS WITHOUT WATER AND SEWER. I HAVE YET TO SEE A HOUSE BUILT IN THIS CENTURY. I WON'T SAY IN THIS STATE OR THIS AREA, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OLD ONES WITHOUT SEWER OR WATER, AND WE STILL HAVE SOME. THERE ARE STILL A COUPLE ONES THAT HAVE WELLS AND SEPTIC TANKS, WHATEVER. BUT. BUT I, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. SO AND IF I SAY SORRY, YOU CAN'T BUILD THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NO SEWER, YOU'LL GO BUILD THE SEWER AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, CAN WE BUILD IT NOW? AND NOW MY EXCUSE IS GONE. AND SO IF I EITHER GOT TO SAY IT'S THE RIGHT USE OR WRONG USE, AND YOU GUYS HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK, RIGHT. FOR FOR MY $0.02, WALLING OFF THE PARK IS A BAD IDEA. THESE ARE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. THAT'S A CITY PARK. AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A WALL, SAY, SAYING, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. IT'S IT'S NOT LIKE MEXICO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

AND THAT WAS POROUS ANYWAY. SO. YOU KNOW, PUT A WALL UP AND GET THE KID WITH A STEPLADDER. AND

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CURRENTLY, IT'S ALREADY A FENCE. CURRENTLY, YOU CAN'T GET FROM THE. IT'S. THERE'S JUST A FENCE TO. BACK TO THAT EXHIBIT. CURRENTLY JUST A FENCE TO THE LAST LOT. IT'S OPEN FROM THIS STRETCH DOWN TO THAT THAT OTHER USE. ALL RIGHT, I DON'T I DON'T THINK SO WHEN I WALKED THEIR CHAIN LINK OR IS IT THERE WAS A FENCE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. IS THAT RECENT. HAS IT BEEN THERE.

OKAY. BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. IT WAS THERE WHEN I WALKED THERE LESS THAN A MONTH AGO.

ANYWAY, I HAVE HEARTBURN. WHAT DO YOU SAY? SORRY. YOU CAN'T WALK INTO THE PUBLIC PARK THAT YOUR TAXES ARE PAYING FOR TO, BUT WE'RE ALREADY. WE ALREADY SAID THAT TO BOYS RANCH. THEY ALREADY COULDN'T ALREADY. ALL THAT AREA OVER THERE COULDN'T. THAT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE. THOSE AREN'T RESIDENTS. THOSE ARE. THAT'S THE BOYS RANCH. THAT'S A THAT'S A REHAB FACILITY. THAT'S A HALFWAY HOUSE OR SOMETHING. THAT'S THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE'S THERE'S A COMPELLING GOVERNMENT INTEREST. IF YOU GO TO THE LEGAL JARGON TO DO THAT, THAT'S GONE WHEN IT'S JUST TOWNHOMES, IT JUST FEELS LIKE A SHAME TO BLOCK. WHAT WAS THE CONTEXT OF THE RESIDENTS FEEDBACK? I WISH SECURITY, SECURITY, SECURITY, FEELING LIKE THEY'RE LOSING THEIR SENSE OF COMMUNITY SECURITY FROM THE RESIDENTS IN THIS NEW NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE THE NEW RESIDENTS ARE INSECURE, LIKE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT THE HOMES SURROUNDING THEIR ALL BOUGHT IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FOR A REASON, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED. AND THEIR BIGGER HOMES, MOST OF THEM. AND THE THE ONE AREA, THEIR LARGER LOTS, THE ONE ON THE NORTH, THEY'RE NOT REALLY LARGER LOTS. THEY'RE KIND OF SMALL. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE CONCERN. IF THEY BOUGHT SINGLE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY USE. I THINK THAT'S LEGIT THOUGH. THERE'S ALSO THE PARKING CONCERN ABOUT IF THERE'S A HOLE IN THAT FENCE, PEOPLE CAN PARK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WALK OVER INTO THE NEW. IF THERE'S NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AS BIG A CONCERN NOW BECAUSE YOU'VE ADDED SO MANY PARKING SPACES. I WOULD DARE SAY IT. THERE'S NOT ANOTHER PROJECT PARKING THAT HEAVILY FOR RESIDENTIAL. YEAH, BUT WE'RE RENTING THEM. AND AND WHAT I LEARNED FROM A FIRE RECENTLY IN OUR IN OUR COMMUNITY IS SOMEONE RENTS A UNIT AND THEN THEY HAVE OTHER PEOPLE JOIN THEM IN THAT UNIT THAT AREN'T ON THE LEASE AND THAT BRINGS IN EXTRA CARS. DOESN'T HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE BUY A HOUSE AND THEN HAVE OTHER PEOPLE LIVE IN THAT HOUSE TOO. NOT AS OFTEN. ZACH. ACTUALLY SHOW ME THE DATA ON THAT. I PLEASE FIND ME RESEARCH BECAUSE I DOUBT THAT THAT'S AN ANECDOTAL. THAT'S AN ANECDOTAL. OH, I SAW IT HAPPEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. YEAH. I WAS GOING TO SAY I, WE COULD GO EITHER WAY ON THIS, RIGHT? WE RECOGNIZE THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD ULTIMATELY DECIDE WITH REGARD TO THE FENCE THERE. IT DOESN'T CHANGE IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. FOR US, WE'RE WILLING IF THE FENCE IS ALREADY THERE, WE'RE WILLING TO YEAH, WE'RE WILLING TO PUT A FENCE IN.

WE'RE WILLING TO PUT A FENCE IN WITH A GATE. WE'RE WILLING TO KEEP IT OPEN. IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO WITH REGARD TO OUR OPEN SPACE AND THE AMENITIES THAT WE'LL PROVIDE. YEAH, I THINK YOU PUT A PATHWAY FOR THOSE RESIDENTS COMING OVER TO USE THE BARBECUE PIT AND THE BOCCE BALL PARK AND THE DOG PARK. I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK DOES. AND I'M CURIOUS IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY FEEDBACK ABOUT DENSITY, WHETHER OR NOT I'LL SPEAK TO NOT JUST THE DENSITY I'D LIKE TO SEE.

I'M SORRY, I'M GOING AROUND YOUR QUESTION. SO ANSWER A QUESTION THEN I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT IS TOO HIGH. A DENSITY IS TOO HIGH. HOWEVER. THAT SAID, I,

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WAREHOUSE, SMALL, LIGHTER, USE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE NEAR COUNCIL MEMBER WHITLOCK'S NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING IN. IT'S RIGHT THERE ON BANGERTER AND 90TH SOUTH. THOSE ARE INCUBATOR BUSINESSES, RIGHT? YEAH. INCUBATOR AND CONDOS. SO WAREHOUSE, WAREHOUSE, OFFICE CONDOS. I THINK A COSTCO MIGHT HAVE MORE IMPACT. IT'S LIKE THE GARDEN. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. COSTCO STEAKHOUSE. YEAH. SO I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON JUST, I MEAN, WHAT YOU'VE INITIALLY BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL. AND WHAT I'M SEEING NOW IS NIGHT AND DAY SO MUCH BETTER. IT'S IT'S REALLY AN IMPRESSIVE DEVELOPMENT. AND I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OTHER THAN ITS LOCATION. IT'S FABULOUS. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. SO THANKS. THANK YOU. AND SEE, DEVELOPMENT COMES IN. EVERY DEVELOPMENT IS DIFFERENT.

EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES TO US HAS GOT ITS OWN KIND OF NUANCE AND FLAVOR AND DIFFERENT THINGS BORDERING IT AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS. SO I TRY TO WORK OFF OF A SET OF A SET OF BEST PRACTICES OR PRINCIPLES THAT THAT MAKE SENSE TO ME AND THAT I CAN DEFEND IN MY HEAD. SO FAR, NOBODY'S REALLY CHALLENGED ME ANYWHERE ELSE. SO I ONLY HAVE MY HEAD TO DEFEND. IF IF YOU'RE A GOOD COMPANY, IF WE MADE IT RIGHT, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PERFECT HEADS. HAVE WE PAINTED THE RESIDENTIAL RED AND THE INDUSTRIAL BLUE OR SWITCH IT, I DON'T. DO GREEN PAINT, I DON'T CARE. THE THING IN BETWEEN HAS GOT TO BE PURPLE IN MY BOOK. SO IF YOU HAVE RED INDUSTRIAL AGAINST RESIDENTIAL, ESPECIALLY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, TO ME THAT'S LESS COMPATIBLE. I WON'T SAY IT'S INCOMPATIBLE BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE TIMES AND PLACES WHERE IT WORKS, BUT THAT'S LESS COMPATIBLE. SO SOMETHING ELSE HAS TO BE BETWEEN NOW PUBLIC FACILITIES. PERFECT USE. IF WE CAN KEEP IT LIKE THIS. PUT A GRADE SCHOOL THERE, PUT A HIGH SCHOOL, WHATEVER. WORKS FOR ME RIGHT NOW. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A HIGH SCHOOL NEARBY, SO THAT WOULDN'T WORK. BUT. PUBLIC USE, PUBLIC FACILITIES. GREAT IDEA. I THINK THAT'S PERFECT. BUT THE PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE MOVING OUT. THEY'RE CLOSING DOWN, THEY'RE

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THAT'S LOW DENSITY. TWO THINGS FIT THAT REALLY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, REALLY LIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT. YEAH, MAYBE THAT MAYBE SOMETHING COMMERCIAL THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK HERE WITH THE TRAFFIC COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL WOULDN'T WORK. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE CAN I FEEL THE SAME WAY? DOESN'T REALLY WORK. SO WHAT WORKS IS A DENSER RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT. GO FROM LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO DENSER RESIDENTIAL TO INDUSTRIAL. THAT WORKS BETTER, PUTTING IN QUARTER ACRE LOTS DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THEN YOU'VE GOT LOW RESIDENTIAL RIGHT UP AGAINST THE INDUSTRIAL.

AND NOW YOU'RE YOU'VE JUST MOVED THE LINE AND IT'S JUST A. YEAH, IT'S NOT BETTER. SO FOR ME, SOMETHING IN BETWEEN WORKS. WELL, THIS WORKS PRETTY WELL. NOW THERE'S DETAILS. SEE WHERE WE WANT TO PASS THROUGH PARKS THAT WE CAN IRON OUT. BUT I THINK AS A CONCEPT, AS A AS A BEST PRACTICE, I THINK YOU'RE KNOCKING ON THE RIGHT. THERE'S THE DETAILS. YOU KNOW, I PREFER ALI LOADED TOWNHOMES, PROBABLY TOWNHOMES. THAT'S JUST ME. I THINK THEY LOOK BETTER AND THEY PRESENT A BETTER STREETSCAPE. BUT THAT'S JUST ME. YOU KNOW, I THINK YOUR PARKING'S OKAY.

OBVIOUSLY I DO THE 22 DRIVEWAYS. I LIKE THE EXISTING BUILDINGS. I'D LIKE TO SEE LIKE, LIKE THIS CURRENTLY HAS THE GREEN SPACE KIND OF CONNECTING THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF COOL. I THINK THAT'D BE COOL IF YOU DID THAT. BUT YOU DON'T DO THAT. PATHWAYS.

YEAH, NOT NOT GREEN SPACE. YEAH. JUST KIND OF RECONFIGURING THOSE. BUT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE KIND OF THE MINUTIA THAT I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED WITH. I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH IS THE, IS THE USE A COMPATIBLE USE TO BOTH SIDES. AND I THINK THIS IS THE WHAT, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN PROPOSED THE MOST COMPATIBLE USE TO BOTH WATER USES. AND I MISSED PART OF THAT. YOUR COMMENTS, COUNCIL MEMBER JACOBS THAT'S GOOD. SO I THINK THAT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE APPLICANT IS IF IF INDUSTRIALS WANTED OR IN RESIDENTIAL. AND I KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING INDUSTRIAL THERE. THERE'S ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT HOW DENSE. SO IF IT IS RESIDENTIAL THAT'S THE MOST COMPATIBLE. THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO GET TO IS YOU KNOW, HOW DENSE ARE YOU. ARE YOU OKAY WITH. BECAUSE THAT'S THE WATER. I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF ANY RESIDENTIAL, REGARDLESS OF THE DENSITY, JUST NOT DO IT THERE.

I CAN'T IN GOOD FAITH ASK A RESIDENT TO WALK TO THE TRACK STATION WITH ZERO SIDEWALK AND UP AND DOWN ROADS THAT ARE TRAFFICKED BY DUMP TRUCKS AND THROUGH THE PARK, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALK THOSE ROADS. WE CAN'T ASK THE RESIDENTS TO ACCEPT THAT EITHER. WOULD INDUSTRIAL STILL BE A REASON? YES, YES, BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INDUSTRIAL WAS BROUGHT FORWARD SIX YEARS AGO AND DENIED. OF NOTE. SO THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPER TRIED TO DO INDUSTRIAL AND WAS TOLD THAT THAT DOESN'T FIT AS WELL. THAT WAS COULD HAVE CHANGED. BUT BUT THE THINGS THINGS CHANGE WHEN THE COUNCIL.

OKAY, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS, BUT THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THAT WE. I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS. I JUST KNOW I DON'T THINK IT WAS JUST THAT IT WAS INDUSTRIAL. I THINK IT WAS THE KIND OF INDUSTRIAL. IT WAS PRETTY. IT WAS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE REALLY NOISY AND STINKY. MAYBE A TIRE FACTORY. DO YOU HAVE ANY. I APPRECIATED COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON'S CALL OUT OF THE BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. IT'S. IT DOES FEEL A SHAME TO LOSE. I LOVE THE DAYCARE. I LOVE THE CLUBHOUSE. IT FEELS LIKE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE. IT'S. I REALLY LIKE THE IMPERIAL UNITS. I REALLY WANT SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR WEST JORDAN TO HAVE MORE SMALLER OPTIONS TO START BUILDING EQUITY AND. I FEEL LIKE I'D LIKE TO TALK WITH COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON MORE. I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN HOW STRONGLY HE FEELS ABOUT INDUSTRIAL ONLY.

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I WAS TALKING TO A GUY THAT DOES WATER AND WHEN WATER FLOWS, IT FINDS THE LEAST RESISTANCE.

AND 300 UNITS, 300 CARS MORE THAN THAT PROBABLY ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING, HEY, I'M GOING TO CUT THROUGH 90TH, GO THROUGH PEAK DRIVE TO GO HOME. SO THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN RIGHT THERE IS THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL PICK UP AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE, TEN YEARS, YOU GET THE HEY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC I NEED. WHAT DO YOU CALL IT SPEED BUMPS, SPEED BUMPS AND YOUR FAVORITE TOPIC, RIGHT. SPEED BUMPS. SO SO THOSE ARE MY THREE CONCERNS THERE.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS DID WRONG. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT ARE REALLY, YOU KNOW, I SEE AS CONCERNS AND HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS AS WELL.

AND I DO KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN WE AGREED AND PUT IN THIS, YOU KNOW, THE RIDGE PEAK DRIVE LOCATION THERE, EVEN THEN PEOPLE AROUND THERE WERE NOT HAPPY HAVING THAT FILLED UP WITH HOMES, BUT IT TURNED OUT GREAT. THEY'RE GREAT HOMES. BUT YEAH, IT WAS THE SAME. IT WAS THE SAME SONG THAT WAS BEING SUNG. NOW THE OPPOSITION, WHEN THOSE. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WAS EMPTY AND. YEP, YEP. THERE ARE ONE EIGHTHS. I CAN SAY SOMETHING. I GUESS WHAT PAUL WAS TRYING TO SAY IS STAFF NEEDS TO KNOW HOW TO HELP THIS PROPERTY THE BEST. SO, SO IF RESIDENTIAL IS AGREED THAT WE COULD DO THAT, YOU KNOW, YES OR NO. IF IT'S YES, THEN ARE YOU OKAY WITH HIGH DENSITY. THAT'S YES. THEN THAT'S GREAT. THEN STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER CAN WORK TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH AN ANSWER. BUT WE NEED STAFF NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT WHAT YOU WANT. IF IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL, THEN ALL THIS TIME WE'RE SPENDING ISN'T GOING TO GO ANYWHERE. BUT IF IT IS RESIDENTIAL, THEN THE DETAILS YOU'RE WORKING ON, I THINK THEY COULD WORK ON WITH STAFF AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AND THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED TO THEM NOW, SO THEY CAN FOLLOW UP THROUGH THERE. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S COME BACK A COUPLE OF TIMES AND WE'RE WE'RE MAKING THIS CIRCLE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR TARGET IS YET. I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE TARGET IS. AND AS I HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON SAY, THIS IS WHAT HE THINKS IS A GOOD SPOT FOR RESIDENTIAL. DO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL THAT WAY? IF HE'S THE ONLY ONE, THEN THAT'S GOOD. THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH RESIDENTIAL. BUT IF HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE, THEN WE'RE SPINNING THE WHEEL AND WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING OVER AGAIN. SO I THINK WE NEED SOME DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO KNOW WHAT TO MOVE ON NEXT. IS THAT RIGHT, SCOTT? ONE THOUGHT I, I JUST HAD, YOU KNOW, IN TALKING ABOUT THE BUFFERING THAT YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT AND TOO MANY UNITS, IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE, BUT IT WOULD BE LESS IF YOU TOOK THE OUTERMOST LAYER AND THAT ROAD WAS SINGLE FAMILY. SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER LAYER OF THAT PURPLE TRANSITION. SO THE BLUE BORDER IS BLUE. YEAH. BUT IT'S TRANSITIONING IN. I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK, YOU KNOW. YEAH.

FIND THAT MIDDLE GROUND OF. SO ALL OF THE HOMES THAT ARE AGAINST THEIR WOULD BE AGAINST SINGLE FAMILY. SCOTT. I'M SORRY. JESSICA. SCOTT, I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS BECAUSE IT REALLY, IN MY EYES, IT BOILS DOWN TO, TO LAND USE THE DETAILS. WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.

BUT IF BUT IF YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER SHELTON BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT. IF RESIDENTIAL IS NOT A GOOD FIT, MAYBE WE NEED TO EDUCATE THE COUNCIL. OKAY, WHAT ARE OTHER ZONES THAT COULD BE THAT TRANSITION AND BUFFER? I'VE GOT A HANDFUL THAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PROBABLY A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE I AM FEELING THE SAME WAY AS COUNCILMEMBER. I WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ BECAUSE AGAIN, I'LL BRING UP THAT HE KNOWS THE AREA MUCH BETTER THAN I DO. YEAH, BECAUSE THE DENSITY IS WHAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH UTILITIES. AND THEN ALSO, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH RESIDENTS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS THERE. AND IF WE LIKE THE IDEA OF INDUSTRIAL OR WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT OTHER USES, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT. SHE COULD NOT ON THE AGENDA DISCUSS IT. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M TOTALLY AGAINST ANY RESIDENTIAL THERE, BUT IT'S WAY TOO DENSE AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE. I

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YEAH, NOBODY'S GOING TO LIKE THAT. AS SOMEONE THAT LIVES NEXT TO AN INDUSTRIAL USE, IT'S NOT THAT GREAT. BUT IF YOU HAD STEPPED DOWN LIKE YOU DO, PUT SOME SINGLE FAMILIES IN THE BACK AND THEN STEP DOWN AND MAYBE BE CREATIVE IN THE FRONT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU COULD DO SOME BUSINESS FRONTS OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD THEY COULD LEASE OR RENT TO DO THEIR GREEN PRINTING AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. INCUBATOR SPACE. YEAH, YEAH, JUST RIGHT ALONG BADLY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER TRANSITION. SO FOR ME, I'M NOT AGAINST SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA, BUT IT'S WAY TOO DENSE. AND I THINK EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE GOT A BETTER BUFFER FOR THEM, I STILL THINK THOSE TOWNHOMES RIGHT ALONG THAT ROAD WHERE THOSE SEMIS ARE GOING TO BE GOING. WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMUNITY THAT GOT BUILT KIND OF LIKE THIS, AND I DON'T GET THEM AS MUCH ANYMORE, BUT I THINK STAFF STILL GETS PLENTY OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE SEMIS. AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT PLEASANT TO LIVE BY. SO THAT'S WHERE I RUNS 24 OVER SEVEN. THIS IS JUST IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PLEASANT PLACE TO LIVE BECAUSE OF THE INDUSTRIAL THAT SURROUNDS THEM. IS THERE A ZONE THAT IS BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. EVEN POSSIBLE. SO WE CAN LIKE, CAN WE? LIKE YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T WANT TO DRAW A LINE. AND PART WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL. PIECES. OKAY. OKAY.

OKAY. SO THIS IS WHAT I AND YOU CAN GIVE FEEDBACK. SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO KEEP BRINGING YOU GUYS BACK. I'M SURE YOU'RE TIRED OF SEEING OUR TIME HERE. YOU'RE NICE PEOPLE. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY GREAT. YOU HAVE, AND I, I ALSO WANT TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY, SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MR. LANGFORD DISCUSS IN A IN ANOTHER MEETING THAT WE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CONSIDER IF IF THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THAT BEFORE WE MAKE DECISIONS. SO FOR NOW, I'LL JUST GIVE ME.

I'M STILL LEARNING. I'VE ONLY BEEN CHAIR FOR A MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS. CAN WE TABLE THIS. IS THAT WHAT WE WOULD DO A MOTION BECAUSE IT'S JUST YEAH, YOU DON'T TABLE IT. YOU YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOUR PEOPLE. IF THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BRING IT BACK AND TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE LAND USES WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THAT'S ALL YOU NEED. AND WE ONLY NEED TWO TO BRING IT BACK FOR A WORK SESSION ACTUALLY. OH, REALLY? YEAH. JUST TO PUT IT ON.

JUST TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. AND I'VE ALREADY SAID YES. YEAH. GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR. OKAY. GREAT. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SO WE'VE PREPARED REZONE APPLICATION TO GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THE MVP. IT'S KIND OF JUST WAITING. AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ENOUGH DIRECTION FROM STAFF, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FINALIZED AND ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION TO HAVE, IF WE COULD PROCESS THOSE AND JUST KEEP CONVERSATIONS MOVING FORWARD WITH STAFF ABOUT SOME OF THE TECHNICAL ITEMS, THE SEWER, THE WATER. SEE, IF I WERE HERE, I WOULD SEE IF I HAD FOUR PEOPLE THAT WERE WILLING TO MOVE FOR WHAT THEY GOT. THAT'S WHAT I HERE'S WHERE I WOULD CAUTION YOU ON THAT IS YOU MOVE FORWARD AND I'M SURE YOU GOT TO SIT ON THAT FOR A WHILE BEFORE YOU CAN BRING IT BACK OR SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE IT OR CHANGE IT. RIGHT. AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LESS INTENSE USE, NOT MORE INTENSE USE. SO WE WOULD HAVE A STARTING POINT THAT WE COULD WHITTLE DOWN FROM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT, COUNCILMEMBER JACOB, WE WE WOULDN'T GO SPEND TONS OF MONEY AND TONS OF TIME AND EFFORT EXPLORING ALL THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO CONTINUE DISCUSSING WITH STAFF THAT WE'VE KIND OF JUST PUT ON HOLD PENDING THIS MEETING, INCLUDING BETTER ANSWERING SEWER AND WATER. YEAH. SO I'M JUST ASKING FOR A MIDDLE GROUND, RIGHT? NOT NOT HERE'S THE CLEAR DIRECTIVE, BUT MAYBE JUST A DIRECTIVE TO STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. I, I FEEL OKAY WITH THAT.

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AND I WOULD I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO PUT IN THAT EFFORT AND THOSE EXTRA EXPENSES EITHER TO DO THAT, AND I. WELL, I MIGHT SUGGEST, BECAUSE WE WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THE ITEMS. SO IF WE GET THROUGH EVERYTHING TODAY, MAYBE DURING OUR ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM, MAYBE SCOTT COULD COME AND EDUCATE US AND TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE. AND THEN MAYBE, MAYBE AT THE END OF THAT DISCUSSION, WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT. AND YOU DON'T NEED TO STICK AROUND. STAFF COULD CERTAINLY JUST CALL YOU AND TELL YOU WHAT OCCURRED. OR YOU COULD STICK AROUND BECAUSE WE'RE GREAT TO HANG OUT WITH PUBLIC NOTICING RULES. WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED? YEP. YEAH. YOU CAN BRING UP ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE HIM EDUCATE US AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT TOPIC. YOU'VE GOT THREE MORE ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA. A COUPLE OF THEM I DON'T THINK WILL TAKE TOO MUCH TIME. THREE OF THEM PROBABLY WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH TIME. AND YOU CAN JUST KIND OF SET THIS OFF TO THE SIDE AND BRING IT BACK WITH WHAT TIME IS REMAINING IN THE WANTED TO DO THAT BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GIVE STAFF A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION, IF NOT TODAY, THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO BRING THIS BACK UP SO THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO WAIT. YEAH. SO SO I WOULD MOVE ON. OKAY. I SUGGEST WE MOVE ON AND THEN COME BACK TO THAT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE.

OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. THANKS. OKAY. OUR NEXT ITEM IS A DISCUSSION OF SOLID WASTE COLLECTION CONTRACT LEVELS OF SERVICE. WE HAVE BRIAN CLEGG WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND I DON'T SEE ANY. I VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF COLLECTING GARBAGE. I APPRECIATE THAT BEING DONE WEEKLY. ACTUALLY, PAUL'S GOING TO. JUST KEEP YOU ON YOUR TOES. SANITATION STRIKE.

YEAH. AND IF WE NEED TO TAKE OUR PATRICK PRESENT, THEN WE CAN ENTERTAIN YOU SAYING I'M NOT ENTERTAINING ENOUGH. THAT IS WHAT SHE'S SAYING, THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY GRAPHICS. YOU'RE GOING TO TALK TRASH. SO TRASH TRUCK, IT'S A GOOD SHOW. ALL RIGHT. WELL

[c. Discussion of Solid Waste Collection Contract Levels of Service]

WE'VE HAD A TECHNICAL COMMITTEE THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THOSE. AND. AND SO WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT SOME OF THOSE FINDINGS AND THEN GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON BASIC SERVICES. AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO ACTUALLY APPLY THE. THE RATES THAT WE RECEIVED FROM OR THE ACTUAL CHARGES THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THOSE HAULERS WITH THE TECHNICAL SCORES AND COME UP

[01:05:02]

THERE WERE THREE RESPONSES TO THE RFP. THEY INCLUDE A TEN YEAR PRICE GUARANTEE.

INFLATIONARY FACTOR WAS ALLOWED AT A MAXIMUM OF 5% PER YEAR, AND IT HAD TO BE BASED ON CPI.

AND THEN RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE WHO WAS ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE WAS MYSELF, BRIAN CLEGG, JASON DUFFIN AND DENISE STECK. I DO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO DENISE BECAUSE SHE'S THE ONE WHO MADE THESE SLIDES. SO. SO GRANT RATES ON THIS. SO OUR PURCHASING STAFF PURCHASING MANAGER, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL RATES ARE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL HAULERS. THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE DID NOT WAS NOT PRIVY TO THAT. STILL IS NOT PRIVY TO THAT. SO THESE WERE GRADED JUST ON THE TECHNICAL MERIT THEMSELVES BY THE SELECTION COMMITTEE. THIS SHOWS OUR CURRENT SERVICES. WE HAVE 26,644 ACCOUNTS. BASIC SERVICE CANS IS ALMOST 8000. EACH ONE OF THOSE 26,644 HAS THREE CANS. WE'VE GOT THE SEASONAL CAN, RECYCLING CAN, AND THEN THE BASIC OR THE REGULAR GARBAGE CAN. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE ALMOST 5,002ND GARBAGE CANS OUT. WELL, ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GARBAGE.

JUST GARBAGE. OKAY. SO SECOND GARBAGE CANS. OH THAT'S RIGHT. IS THAT RECYCLING CANS AND SEASONAL CANS, ADDITIONAL ONES OF THOSE IS ABOUT 500 EACH. AND OUR BASIC SERVICE, THE COST THAT IS CHARGED TO OUR RESIDENTS FOR THAT BASIC SERVICES, WHICH AGAIN ARE THOSE THREE CANS IS 24, 72 A MONTH. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE EACH ADDITIONAL CAN DEPENDING ON WHAT THE TYPE OF CAN IS, IS $15 FOR A GARBAGE CAN, ALMOST EIGHT FOR RECYCLING CAN JUST OVER 950 FOR A SEASONAL ALL GOOD QUESTION ON THAT REAL QUICK ON THE EXISTING SERVICE. IS THE RECYCLING GOING SOMEWHERE BESIDES THE LANDFILL NOW OR IS IT STILL GOING JUST TO THE LANDFILL? SO LET ME ANSWER THAT ONE. THE ANSWER IS YES. MOST OF THE RECYCLING GETS RECYCLED.

I'VE GONE OUT AND TOURED THE RECYCLING PLACE A COUPLE OF TIMES AND IT DOES. ALMOST EVERYTHING IN THERE DOES GET RECYCLED, OKAY, BECAUSE FOR A WHILE IT WASN'T RIGHT. THERE ARE THERE IS A PERCENTAGE THAT DOES NOT. WHAT IS THAT PERCENTAGE? IT'S 26%. THIS SO FAR THIS YEAR. RIGHT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER. I DO REMEMBER 2017. ALL OF OUR RECYCLING IS TAKEN RECYCLE RECYCLING CAME TO US AND SAID, SORRY, CHINA'S NOT BUYING ANYMORE. IT'S JUST ALL GOING TO THE LANDFILL. YEAH. AND IT IS NOT GOING. I'VE NEVER HEARD WHEN THAT GOT CHANGED BACK THERE. THEY THEY UPGRADED THEIR SYSTEMS AND THEY DIVIDE THEIR STUFF UP A WHOLE LOT BETTER. AND THEY TAKE EVERYTHING IN DIFFERENT SPOTS. THEY GET LESS MONEY FOR IT NOW. SO WE DON'T WE USED TO GET PAID FOR IT. WE DON'T GET PAID FOR IT AT ALL.

NOW WE PAY, BUT THE AMOUNT WE PAY PER TONNAGE IS LOWER FOR RECYCLING THAN WE DO FOR TRASH.

SO WE STILL COME OUT AHEAD DOING RECYCLING. THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW BECAUSE IF IT WAS ALSO GOING TO THE LANDFILL AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M GOING GIVE ME A SECOND RECYCLING CAN. DON'T GIVE ME A SECOND GARBAGE CAN BECAUSE I COULD SAVE 50%. THE PRICE PER TON IS NOT PER TON, IS NOT LOWER. RECYCLING, RECYCLING COSTS WAY. THE WEIGHT IS WAY LESS BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY CARDBOARD AND PAPER. SO THE COST IS MORE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR CARRIER, SORRY, THE CARRIER WAS CHALLENGED WITH WAS THAT RECYCLING WAS COSTING THEM SO MUCH. SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEW BID THAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE COST OF THE BID IS MUCH HIGHER FOR RECYCLING NOW THAN GARBAGE. SO THE PERCENTAGE OF THE FEE THAT IS CHARGED TO OUR RESIDENTS WILL BE HIGHER FOR RECYCLING NOW THAN FOR THE US TO PICK UP GARBAGE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY. BUT MAYOR IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WE HAVE BEEN GUARANTEED BY ACE THAT IT ALL IS GOING TO ROCKY MOUNTAIN. AND I THINK MAYOR HAS DONE SOME RIDE ALONGS AND AND DONE SOME TOURS IN THERE AND WATCH IT.

AND, AND IT, IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. YOU GUYS OUGHT TO DO IT. YOU SET ONE UP. I THINK.

RIGHT. AND IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY SEPARATE THINGS. I MEAN, THEY HAVE A MACHINE THAT HAS A MAGNET THAT SUCKS A METAL CAN UP, AND THEN THEY HAVE A REVERSE MAGNETS. IT'S THE ALUMINUM UP AND IT SEPARATES OUT FROM THE OTHER TRASH. AND THEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER THING SUCKS THE BAGS UP THAT YOU REALLY DON'T LIKE BECAUSE YOU'RE CUTTING THEIR GEARS, BUT IT SUCKS THE GROCERY BAGS UP. JUST THE VACUUM ANYWAY, IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. THE OTHER THING IS I WANT TO MENTION IS I ACTUALLY DID PERSONALLY A STUDY TO SEE HOW CITIES STOP DOING RECYCLING. LIKED IT, AND THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY MAD AT THEIR CITIES. THE RESIDENTS. THE RESIDENTS WERE. SO I WILL NOT RECOMMEND DOING AWAY WITH

[01:10:05]

SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE WHOLE CONVERSATION. SO AGAIN, TO DENISE'S POINT, THIS IS THE CURRENT BASIC SERVICE COST SPLIT BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CANS UNDER A NEW CONTRACT. THAT'S HOW IT BE SPLIT WITH THE CURRENT BASIC SERVICE. SO AGAIN THE THREE CANS. SO OFF THE BID 44% OF THE TOTAL COST FOR THE BASIC SERVICE IS RELATED TO RECYCLING, WHICH IS THE MOST. THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO COLLECTION, JUST THE COLLECTION, THE ACTUAL PICKUP OF THE CANS REPRESENTS AROUND HALF THE TOTAL COST OF THE SOLID WASTE SERVICES 47% 57%. THERE ARE SEVERAL COMPONENTS TO INFLUENCE THAT LANDFILL COSTS OR SORRY, WILL ALSO INFLUENCE THE FUTURE FEE CALCULATION. IN ADDITION TO THAT IS LANDFILL COSTS, THE DUMPSTER PROGRAM, AND OF COURSE, SUPPORT SERVICES. THE LAST TWO BULLET POINTS HAVE TO DO WITH THE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU IN A FEW SLIDES, AND THAT IS THE DIFFERENT PROPOSALS OR DIFFERENT LEVELS OF BASIC SERVICE THAT YOU COULD OFFER. THEY'RE JUST ESTIMATES BASED ON WHAT PRICING WAS RECEIVED BY OUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT. SO AGAIN, ANY CHANGES WOULD HAVE TO BE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL. SO JUST DISCLAIMER THERE. OKAY. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE SEASONAL CAN ONCE THE SEASON, ONCE THE. THE GREEN GREEN WASTE SERVICES CHANGED AND THIS JUST BECAME A REGULAR GARBAGE CAN SERVICING THAT CAN EIGHT MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR BECAME VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR STAFF AND CONTINUES TO BE EVERY YEAR WE COMMUNICATE AND COMMUNICATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS AREN'T AREN'T SEEING THE PARAMETERS BY WHICH THAT CAN IS ACTUALLY COLLECTED AND BECOMES A HUGE ISSUE FOR OUR UTILITY. WHY DON'T YOU DO A COUPLE MONTHS OF THE YEAR, RIGHT? SO TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, YES, IF WE DON'T DO THE GREEN WASTE, I SAID IN MORE THAN ONE MEETING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THOSE CANS. SO WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE CANS? THE PLAN IS WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT. WE AREN'T LOOKING TO. JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE SERVICE. SOMEONE SAID THAT YOUR DECISION TONIGHT. PROBABLY NOT BASED OFF THE DECISION TO KEEP THE SEASONAL. CAN YOU. YOU'LL SEE IN FUTURE SLIDES. SURE. IF WE KEEP THE SEASONAL ACCOUNT WE'LL USE IT. BUT IF WE DON'T KEEP THE SEASONAL CAN, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE CANS? THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE GONE AWAY FROM THIS AS WELL, AND THEY HAVE. WE CAN LEARN FROM THEM AND ADOPT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND WHILE AVOIDING SOME OF THE HARD HEARTACHES EXPERIENCE AS WELL. SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE GREEN WASTE, WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE GREEN WASTE? YEAH. SO, SO YEARS AGO OR YEARS AGO, THEY WERE LIKE, LET'S SEPARATE IT AND LET'S GET THE COMPOST. LET'S SELL IT. BUT NOW THE. THE MILLERS DON'T WANT NO, NO, NO COMPOST. BUT THEY, THEY SAID THAT THEY ACTUALLY.

NOW THE THEORY IS THAT THEY LIKE PUTTING THE COMPOST IN TO THE GARBAGE BECAUSE IT HELPS BREAK IT DOWN. OKAY. BUT, BUT TEN YEARS AGO THEY DIDN'T SAY THAT ELECTRICITY, THAT THE GREEN WASTE PLANT BURNED DOWN AND THEY WERE PLANNING ON NOT USING IT ANYMORE. YEAH, IT WAS GETTING RID OF. YEAH. SO IT WAS GOING AWAY EITHER WAY, WITH OR WITHOUT. THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BUILD A NEW ONE IN THE NEW THE FIRE JUST CUT IT SHORT. YEAH. THEY DO CAPTURE ENERGY FROM THAT TOO AS IT. YEAH. SO OFF THE METHANE THE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT UP AGAINST THE LANDFILL.

YEAH. DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT. SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DO NOT CONTINUE TO DO THAT GREEN CAN OR THE SEASONAL CAN AND JUST GO TO ALL YOUR PICKUP FOR ALL CANS. SO THIS IS SHOWING YOU THE ACTUAL RECYCLING USE. THIS IS ALL WEIGHTS AND TONS. IT SHOWS YOU ALL OF 2025. AND SO FAR IN 2026, WE ARE DOWN OVERALL YEAR TO YEAR WITH RECYCLING TONNAGE. SO

[01:15:08]

THANK YOU. SANDY FLUCTUATED. BUT. YOU'VE GOT TO LIKE SANDY'S HIGH SIDE WAS 85%, LOW SIDE WAS 50%. I USE I USE MINE, BUT IT DOESN'T GET PUT OUT EVERY WEEK BECAUSE IT'S NOT FULL EVERY WEEK. AND THAT'S WHAT WE SEE WITH A LOT OF THE WEIGHTS IS THE WEIGHTS AREN'T THERE TO DO IT WEEKLY. SO. SO WHEN WE DISCUSS, YOU KNOW WHAT MARY LOU'S WHO IS GOING FROM A WEEKLY TO A BI WEEKLY RECYCLING PICKUP, WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER UTILIZATION RATES. FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH THE DATA THAT BRIAN HAS COLLECTED, IT'S STILL REMAINING HIGH IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WENT TO BI WEEKLY IN THAT SANDY. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE ANSWER TO IS, WOULD GOING BI WEEKLY REDUCE THE CONTAMINATION PERCENTAGE, WHICH RIGHT NOW, LIKE BRIAN SAID, IS AT 26% FOR OUR CITY SO FAR THIS YEAR WHERE THEY CAN'T RECYCLE THAT BECAUSE IT'S CONTAMINATED AS SPACE BECOMES A PREMIUM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE LESS CONTAMINATION BECAUSE THEY NEED TO FIT MORE STUFF IN THAT? OR THAT EVERY OTHER WEEK? SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH WITH THIS IS A BASE LEVEL THAT THEN WE'LL GET THE TECHNICAL SCORE, WILL THEN WILL BE COMBINED WITH THE PRICING TO DETERMINE WHO GETS THE CONTRACT.

BUT IF WE'RE TALKING BI WEEKLY, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND GOING TO JUST A REGULAR GARBAGE CAN AND A EVERY OTHER WEEK RECYCLING CAN. THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY. AGAIN, THIS IS AN ESTIMATE BASED ON THE PRICING THAT PURCHASING IS SEEN IS ABOUT $20 A MONTH. SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE. BUT THEY'D ALSO BE LOSING THAT EIGHT MONTHS A YEAR. GREEN WASTE CAN IT'S NOT GREEN WASTE. OPTION B WOULD BE AGAIN BIWEEKLY RECYCLING, BUT LET ALL THE RESIDENTS KEEP THE GREEN CAN BUT HAVE THAT BE EVERY YEAR, ALL YEAR. IT'S NO LONGER A SEASONAL, IT'S JUST PICKED UP ALL YEAR JUST LIKE BLACK CANS. SO IT'S JUST BECOMES A BLACK CAN. THAT'S QUITE THE DISCOUNT COMPARED TO WHAT A REGULAR EXTRA BLACK CAN IS. THAT SEEMS SILLY. AND IT'S I THINK IT'S ALL IT'S GREAT FOR ME AS A CONSUMER, BUT AS A BUSINESS, THAT SOUNDS KIND OF SILLY. WELL, PART OF THAT REASON IS BECAUSE THE HAULER HAS TO HIRE MORE DRIVERS DURING THE EIGHT MONTHS THAN THEY HAVE TO REHIRE ME AGAIN AFTER THEY LAY THEM OFF DURING THE WINTER MONTHS, BECAUSE THEY NEED MORE DRIVERS AND MORE VEHICLES. SO THEY WOULD RATHER KEEP CITY EMPLOYEES AND KEEP THEIR VEHICLE SO THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE A BETTER PRICE IF WE KEEP IT YEAR ROUND, EIGHT MONTHS, I THINK MOST PEOPLE WILL PAY TWO BUCKS TO KEEP THAT THIRD CAN. WELL, YEAH. AND THAT'S THAT'S FINE. BUT GOING TO JUST THAT THIS IS BIWEEKLY RECYCLING BI WEEKLY. AND LET ME BACK UP SOUTH JORDAN IS WEEKLY. THEY THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO GO BIWEEKLY, BUT THEY STAYED WITH THE GREEN CANDLE STILL BE WEEKLY ON THE OPTION B CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. SO IF WE GO TO KEEPING RECYCLING EVERY WEEK, THIS WOULD BE THE PRICES FOR THE OPTIONS. IF WE WENT TO JUST A BASIC SERVICE OF JUST BLACK HAND AND EVERY WEEK RECYCLING IS 2150. IF WE GO TO EVERY WEEK RECYCLING THAT WEEKLY GARBAGE AND SEASONAL. SO JUST TWO, BASICALLY TWO BLACK CANS, IT'S 24, 75, APPROXIMATELY. SORRY.

YES, WEEKLY. YEAH. THIS WOULD BE OPTION D WOULD BE BASICALLY KEEPING THE SERVICES THE SAME EXCEPT GREENS YEAR ROUND, EXCEPT FOR THESE GREENS YEAR ROUND. SORRY. YEAH. THANK YOU.

SO ANY OPTION THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE GREEN CAN IS ALL YEAR. DON'T WE PAY THE TIPPING FEES. YEAH. SO IF WE DO THIS IT'S GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CAN ALL YEAR LONG TO PUT MORE GARBAGE IN. IT COULD GO. AND THEN TIPPING FEES WILL BE MORE PROBABLY THE TIPPING FEE BASED ON TONNAGE, RIGHT? NOT BASED ON PER TIP, $27. I SAY I DON'T USE MY GREEN CART EVERY WEEK. SO I MEAN, PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE IT THE WEEK

[01:20:01]

AND I'M GOING TO SAY THAT ALL THE TIME. ALL I'M SAYING IS IT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS WEEK.

THEY WON'T BE HAVING THE OTHER HAND, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TONNAGE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AND IT COULD BE IN THOSE OFF MONTHS. THEY'RE I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TONNAGE BECAUSE SOME OF THE. I'M PRETTY SURE THE GREEN CAN THESE FEES DO. BUT THEY ALSO ASSUME THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE ALL THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THE RESIDENTS. THIS IS. YOU'RE CHOOSING THE BASE LEVEL SERVICE FOR THE RESIDENTS OVERALL. AND THEN IN THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE HOW MUCH WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CAN. YES. UNDER THIS SCENARIO, GO BACK ONE SLIDE FOR A SECOND. YOU COULD GET YOU'RE SAYING THAT ALL OF THE RESIDENTS RIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF OLDER RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY OR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THEIR HOME, THEIR BASE LEVEL, EVERYBODY TERRAIN, ALL THESE NEW AREAS. EVERYONE WOULD START WITH JUST TWO GREEN CANS, $20 A MONTH. THEY WANT ADDITIONAL CANS. THEY WILL PAY EXTRA FOR THE ADDITIONAL CANS. IT WOULD NOT BE THE SAME PRICE AS IF EVERYBODY HAD ALL THE ADDITIONAL CANS. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU IS, DO YOU WANT BIWEEKLY RECYCLING OR WEEKLY RECYCLING? AND DO YOU WANT TWO CANS OR THREE CANS AS THE BASE SERVICE GO, TWO SLIDES AWAY FROM THIS. AND IF YOU WANT LIKE TWO CANS BI WEEKLY, IF SOMEONE WANTS ANOTHER GARBAGE CAN, IT WILL BE $9 MORE A MONTH. IT IS WAY MORE THAN IF EVERYBODY HAD A SECOND GARBAGE CAN. AND THAT'S HOW THAT BID GOES. LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, RIGHT? SO A SECOND RECYCLING OR GARBAGE CAN IS ABOUT 60% OF WHAT THE FIRST ONE WAS. SO IT'S ABOUT 60% COST INCREASE. BUT IF YOU DID IT FOR THE WHOLE CITY, THEN THERE'S A HUGE DECREASE TO IT BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT THE TRUCKS AND THEY'RE GUARANTEED THE REVENUE STREAM IS PER CANS PER CAN. BUT YOU'RE ALSO SAYING SOME OF THESE SMALLER GARAGES OR SMALLER HOMES IN HIGHER DENSITY AREAS ARE GOING TO BE FORCED TO HAVE THREE CANS AND PAY FOR THREE CANS. I MEAN, THEY MIGHT SAY, I DON'T WANT THAT. THIRD CAN KEEP IT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THREE CANS. SO THAT'S WHY IN THE IN THE COUNCIL STAFF ANALYSIS, WE INCLUDED THE CENSUS DATA. SO YOU KNEW KIND OF WHERE THE THE POPULATIONS WERE. FOR THOSE THAT ARE OVER 65, THOSE THAT HAVE YOUNG KIDS JUST. SO YOU'VE KIND OF GOT AN IDEA OF THE 26,000 ADDRESSES. HOW TO TRY AND MANAGE A BASIC RATE, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE. SO I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, I'VE GOT NEIGHBORS WHO I'VE GOT ONE NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES IN A 300 ZERO SQUARE FOOT HOME ALL BY HIMSELF. HE'S OLDER. I'M WONDERING WHERE THE OPTION IS FOR JUST BASIC SERVICES. JUST ONE BLACK CAN PERIOD, AND THEN LET PEOPLE ADD WHAT THEY NEED. RECYCLING? YEAH, JUST LET PEOPLE ADD WHAT THEY NEED. IF SOMEBODY WANTS RECYCLING, LET THEM AT IT. IS THAT EVEN THAT'S NOT EVEN BEEN LOOKED AT. PART OF THAT IS THAT THE THESE HAULERS ARE TRYING TO BID THESE THIS SERVICES RECYCLING SERVICE BASED ON SOME SORT OF A NUMBER. YEAH, A NUMBER OF WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE AS FAR AS HOW MUCH RECYCLABLES THEY'RE GOING TO COLLECT. AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SANDY BEING BETWEEN, THEY WENT TO A BI WEEKLY, THERE'S STILL ABOUT 50%, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. BRIAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. A LOT OF THESE HAULERS ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO HAVE A PARTICIPATION RATE ABOVE 50% OF THEIR CITY. SO WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO WHERE THE BASIC SERVICE IS JUST A GARBAGE CAN, YOU CAN ELECT TO HAVE A RECYCLE CAN BIWEEKLY, THEN THE PARTICIPATION USUALLY DROPS. THAT'S MORE EXPENSIVE, IS MORE EXPENSIVE FOR ME PERSONALLY. OPTION B SEEMS LIKE THE BEST DEAL, BUT THAT'S CHEAPER THAN WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY DOING. YEAH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE BEST DEAL FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND KIND OF GOING WITH, YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S SAYING. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE TO GO WITH WHEN YOU SAY IT'S COLD. THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT 50% OF THE PEOPLE, OR IS THAT 5% OF THE PEOPLE LIKE AS A WHOLE, IF THERE'S 95% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANT THREE CANS, IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO DO IT THIS WAY. YEAH. RIGHT. NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT'S NOT REALLY INFORMATION WE HAVE THOUGH. THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, I FEEL LIKE THE CENSUS DATA IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT LIKELY THREE CANS. WHAT'S NOT LIKELY? IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT MOST PEOPLE NEED THREE CANS BASED ON THE CENSUS DATA IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERY WEEK. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE WITH BIWEEKLY RECYCLING.

[01:25:02]

SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, THERE'S TWO. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLDS THERE.

YEAH. WOW. YEAH. SO SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING, I, I BRING THAT UP NOT BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD JUST HAVE ONE CAN, BUT BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST SAID ANECDOTAL BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING, OH, I NEED THIS MANY CANS. YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED THIS MANY CANS, I NEED THIS MANY CANS. THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. NO, IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. I GUESS THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS DO ALL RESIDENTS PAY THE EXTRA 250 FOR THE FEW OR THE HALF OR THE HOWEVER MANY? I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS THAT USE THE THREE CANS? OR DO YOU GO DOWN TO THE TWO CANS AND THE PEOPLE THAT NEED THREE PAY THE $9 EXTRA, I DON'T KNOW, AND THIS IS LITERALLY A BIGGER DECISION THAN THE TAX INCREASE THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TALKING.

WELL, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO NOTICE THIS. YEAH, YEAH. THIS IS A VERY TANGIBLE THING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE. MY CONCERN WITH BIWEEKLY RECYCLING THOUGH, IS DO PEOPLE GET CONFUSED AS TO WHICH WEEK IT IS. YES THEY DO ON. YEAH. BUT YOU GET USED TO YOU GET USED TO IT.

BUT THE HAULER WILL I MEAN, IF THEY PUT IT OUT AND IT'S NOT A WEEK THEY COLLECT. IT JUST ISN'T COLLECTED. BUT THE HAULERS WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION SO PEOPLE CAN CHECK BACK TO THE HOUSE. AND THEN IT'LL JUST BE LIKE SEASONAL. YEAH. OR JUST WATCH YOUR NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY PUT THEM OUT. WELL, IT ONLY TAKES ONE OUT. AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS, OH, IT MUST BE THE WEEK. YEAH. BUT YEAH, JUST GIVE ME THAT ONE SMART GUY ON THE BLOCK WHO LAUGHS AT EVERYBODY ELSE. YEAH. SORRY. CONSENSUS NIGHTMARE. THERE WERE THREE CAMPS. YEAH. SO IS IT IS IT THE. I'M NOT SURE. OFTEN. BIWEEKLY. YEAH. CAN WE SEE DO YOU WANT TO SEE A C AND D AGAIN. OH I ACTUALLY I THINK THIS IS WEEKLY, BUT IF YOU CAN GO BY OKAY, I THINK BIWEEKLY GO BACK ONLY SAVES A BUCK TO HAVE IT EVERY WEEK. YEAH. $20. I GUESS THAT'S A DIFFERENCE OF PERSPECTIVE. I WAS THINKING IT SAVES A WHOLE BOOK. THAT'S $18 A YEAR. THIS IS WHAT WE TELL PEOPLE. YEAH, WE DID A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, BUT WE REDUCED IT ON THE GARBAGE SIDE. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY COMING OUT EVEN ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT AHEAD. YOU'RE SAVING THEM WAY MORE. IT'S FOR 75 A MONTH TIMES 12, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DOLLAR.

BECAUSE IF WE GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CRASHED BY AN HOUR. YEAH. 2472 CURRENTLY. YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING THAT WE CAN LOWER SOMETHING THESE DAYS. BIG CAVEAT THESE ARE ESTIMATES.

SURE. THANKS FOR THAT REMINDER. I'LL COME BACK TO THE QUESTION KAITLYN HAD. WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THE GREEN CANS? STAFF WILL WORK ON THAT. OPTION B GIVES YOU WHAT WE DO, THE GREEN CANS. AND IF YOU TAKE THOSE GREEN CANS AWAY, I GUARANTEE YOU YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HALF THE CITY GOING. I WANT MY GREEN CAN BACK. YEAH. OUTSIDE OF THOSE TIMES WHEN YOU'RE GOING YOUR LAWN, YOU'RE USING YOUR REGULAR CANS OF SPRAY PAINT. LET ME GET USED TO HAVING GREEN.

THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENED OVER 20 YEARS. YEAH. IT REALLY CLARIFY SOMETHING. WE DIDN'T GO AHEAD. SORRY. IF YOU CHOOSE OPTION A, WE WON'T WE WON'T REMOVE ANYONE'S GREEN CANS UNLESS THEY WANT US TO. BUT THERE'S STILL THE OPTION. THERE WILL STILL BE THE OPTIONS TO KEEP THE GREEN CANS OR TO HAVE A THIRD CAN. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHOULD THE BASE LEVEL OF SERVICE BE FOR THE BASE FEE? THIS IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDED PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT'S THE BASE FEE AT THE LOWEST COST, AND THEN EVERY RESIDENT CAN BUY UP FROM THERE ACCORDING TO THEIR NEEDS. SO IF YOU NEED THREE CANS, GREAT. YOU KEEP THE GREEN. CAN YOU HAVE YOUR THREE CANS? CAN I KEEP THE GREEN CAN FOR 250? NO, THERE WOULD BE MORE. THERE'S MARGINAL COSTS

[01:30:01]

BUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S OUR CURRENT HAULER OR, YOU KNOW, THE TWO OTHER BIDDERS, WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT THE, THE GREEN, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, IS EVERYONE WOULD GO BACK TO THE $20 AND THEY WOULD GET AN EXTRA GARBAGE CAN UNTIL THEY TURN IN. IT WOULD BE BILLED AS AN EXTRA GARBAGE CAN. SO IT WOULD GO TO $29 A MONTH UNLESS YOU CALL AND HAVE THE GREEN CAN PICKED UP IF YOU GO DOWN TO 20. SO IT'S KIND OF AN OPT OUT. BUT THE ANY NEW SOLAR, ANY NEW ACCOUNTS TOLD ME SOMETHING I HAVEN'T BEEN. WE HAVE NINE MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO TELL PEOPLE. IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR. YOU DON'T WANT YOUR BILL TO GO UP ON JULY 1ST, TURN YOUR GREEN CAN IN AND WE'LL PICK IT UP. OKAY, SO THEY DON'T GET TO KEEP THEIR GREEN. THEY DON'T GET TO KEEP THE GREEN CAN NOT FOR FREE ANYWAY. THEY CAN KEEP THEM. WE JUST LET GO. YEAH, I LIKE OPTION A AND YOU BUY WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE OTHERWISE HE'S RIGHT. WE'RE ALL SUBSIDIZING THOSE THAT DON'T REALLY USE THE GREAT CAP. BUT I FEEL HOW MANY RESIDENTS HAVE A GREEN CAN RIGHT NOW A LOT. EVERYONE. WELL I DON'T THAT'S THE BASIC. THE CURRENT BASIC RATE IS THE BLACK AND BLUE AND THE GREEN CAN USE IT OR NOT. YOU'RE TAKING IT AWAY IS GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE REALLY MAD. I THINK SO TOO. BUT DON'T MOST CITIES HAVE JUST A BLACK. AND I THINK THE ONLY REASON THE GREEN. IT'S JUST A REMNANT FROM THE GREEN. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE GREEN. WE TAKE IT OUT NOW AND THEN THE EXTRA LAST YEAR, RIGHT? SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR FEELING IS ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON, BECAUSE IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE TO TAKE AWAY THE GREEN CAN IF IT'S ONLY 22 BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT THE THIRD CAN I WANT THE THIRD CAN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PAY AN EXTRA $9 FOR THE THIRD CAN YOU WANT EVERYBODY ELSE TO PAY YOUR $9? THANK YOU. I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS A LOT OF OPINIONS AND COMMENTS ALREADY ONLINE. THE PEOPLE THAT RESIDENTS HAVE MADE REGARDING THE GREEN CAN. SO GREEN CAN NO PRO GREEN WASTE. YEAH. PRO GREEN WASTE PRO GREEN PRO OR THEY DON'T WANT IT IF IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR WHAT IT WAS INITIALLY INTENDED FOR.

OKAY, SO THAT THAT'S THE SENTIMENT ONLINE OVERALL, WHICH YOU WERE GO TO OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND READ IT'S ALL THERE. BUT I WOULD SAY THERE'S BEEN A RECENT POST OR SOMETHING. WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN WE BROUGHT BACK THE SEASONAL CAMP. GOT IT, GOT IT, GOT IT. WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT EVERY TIME. IT'S VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE IT'S NOT GREEN WASTE. IT'S A PROBLEM IN APRIL AND NOVEMBER. SO IT'S. IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO STOP. OKAY. SO THEY ARE BAD BECAUSE WE STOPPED PICKING IT UP. OKAY. AT LEAST THE THE FOLKS ONLINE. OKAY. YEAH. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE MAJORITY, BUT SO IS OPTION B JUST FOR HALF OF THE YEAR. NO, NO. YOUR PICK ANY ANY OPTION YOU CHOOSE WITH A GREEN CAP IS GOING TO BE PICKED UP ALL YEAR BECAUSE IT'S JUST TRASH NOW.

IT'S JUST MADE IT LIKE BLACK AND GREEN. I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT I STILL HAVE TWO MORE TOPICS. SORRY, JESSICA. YEAH, BUT PEOPLE STILL WANT THE GREEN. CAN I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME? SO PEOPLE WANT THE GREEN CAN IN MARCH. PEOPLE WANT THE GREEN CAN IN NOVEMBER, THE GREEN IN DECEMBER. OKAY, LET'S JUST CAN WE MAKE A DECISION OF WHAT OPTION WE WANT? CAN WE GET TO THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION THOUGH? I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HEARD EVERYTHING. SO. THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT A LOT. SORRY, PAUL. I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW. YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE TOTALLY GOOD. SO AGAIN, IT'S REALLY THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT. BUT YEAH, WE'RE SEEKING WHICH OPTION YOU WANT TO GO WITH AFTER THAT, THEN THE FINAL TECHNICAL SCORE IS COMBINED WITH A BEST AND FINAL SCORE FROM A BEST AND FINAL BID. WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE HAULERS, THE BIDDERS TO GIVE US TO DETERMINE THE WINNING BIDDER. THERE'S ONLY TWO RIGHT. THERE'S THREE.

THERE'S THREE. THIRD ONE. THERE'S A THERE'S WASTE MANAGEMENT. I DON'T WASATCH,

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YEAH. THEY HAVE A GREEN WASTE UP BY MAGNA, THEY SAID. AND THEY COULD, THEY COULD PICK UP WEST JORDAN'S GREEN WASTE AND TAKE IT UP THERE FOR A FEE. WE ASKED THEM THEY DO THAT AND THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T TAKE OUR TONNAGE THAT WE'VE HAD. THEY GOT A NEW GM. THAT MAKES SENSE. IS THAT A LITTLE MORE OPEN TO OPTIONS? I THINK SO IT'S JUST A YEAH, IT'S A LONGER DRIVE RIGHT FOR THEM. SO ALL THOSE THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED. BUT JUST SAYING THAT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE GREEN CAN WE GOT THE GREEN CANS. WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY. YEAH, YEAH. QUICK QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE BASIC SERVICE THAT FOUR OR MORE OF YOU AGREE WITH. AND THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE, BY THE WAY. SO I CAN GO BACK TO THE A, B, C OR D COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH, HE'S STILL ONLINE. COULD YOU SHOW US D, C AND D AGAIN? WHAT I JUST WANTED TO C, C AND D, C AND D IS WEEKLY. AND AGAIN, AS THE STAFF HAS MENTIONED, IT IS A BASIC SERVICE FOR EVERY RESIDENT. WHEN YOU MOVE INTO THE CITY AND YOU CALL FOR CALL FOR SOLID WASTE PICKUP, IT WOULD BE WHATEVER CANS YOU'RE CHOOSING AND PEOPLE COULD ADD ON AN ADDITIONAL CAN BASED ON THEIR NEEDS, KNOWING THAT YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 10% OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE 65 AND OLDER, AND YOU'VE GOT, I THINK IT WAS 6 OR 7% BASED ON THE CENSUS THAT HAVE KIDS UNDER FIVE AND 27%, I THINK IS UNDER 18. JUST WANT TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS. I DON'T KNOW REALLY. I CAN SUPPORT EIGHT OR. K OR C. A, OKAY, WE HAVE ONE. A, A 2ASDAD. WHY DON'T YOU JUST ASK WHO'S AN A? OKAY, WHO'S AN A? WHAT'S A C TWO? OKAY. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S ENOUGH. SO GOOD LUCK WITH ALL THOSE RESIDENTS. WHEN THEY GET. WE'LL SEND THEM TO CHAD. CHAD DOT LAM AT WEST JORDAN DOT YOU GUYS ARE JUST THINKING TOO SMALL HERE. I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU SAY? GARBAGE. AND THEN WE'LL EXPLAIN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY $9 MORE FOR A SECOND. CAN WE'LL EXPLAIN THAT EVERYONE WAS GOING TO BE PAYING MORE EVERY YEAR. THAT'S OKAY. I DISAGREE WHETHER THEY USED IT OR NOT. I'VE USED THAT CAN FOR 20 YEARS AND I STILL WANT TO USE IT. AND YOU CAN NO I CAN'T, I GOT TO PAY $9 MORE BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE VOTING NOT NOT TO HAVE THE BETTER OPTION. YOU CAN STILL USE IT. YOU JUST HAVE TO PAY TO USE IT. I'M JUST. I KIND OF AGREE WITH CHAD TOO. I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO SEE B, BUT THAT'S ONLY BEEN. I WANT TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY AS WE CAN FOR LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR. I'M SORRY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A HOUSE WHERE YOU NEED GREEN WASTE CAP FOR 25 YEARS. SO DO YOU. WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE IT BE A GREEN WASTE? CAN. OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE IT BE AN EVERYDAY SEASONAL? I THINK THAT THIRD CAN DURING THE SEASON. YES. FOR AGAIN, FOR JUST GREEN WASTE. I'M TELLING YOU FROM THE SEASONAL CAN FROM APRIL TO OCTOBER ACTUALLY TO NOVEMBER, RIGHT? PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS COMPLAINING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO INTO DECEMBER OR IT DOESN'T GO INTO MARCH. THEY'VE ALWAYS WANTED THAT THIRD CAN FOR SEASONAL. WITH WHAT ZACH SHARED. I WOULD LOVE TO EXPLORE THAT TO SEE IF IF THEY REALLY WOULD DO JUST THE GREEN WASTE AND IF THEY WOULD PAY FOR THAT. YEAH, IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE THING, BUT I WOULD I WOULD ARE THERE ARE THERE FOUR OF US THAT ARE WILLING TO SAY, PLEASE LOOK AT THAT STAFF? WELL, I'D ALSO LIKE TO HEAR COUNCIL MEMBER AT WHAT HIS. IF HE HAS ANY FEEDBACK, WHAT HIS CHOICE WOULD BE SORRY. HE. HE UNMUTED AND I MUTED HIM ON ACCIDENT. THERE HE GOES FOR ME. MY MY FAMILY. WE ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS JUST OUR

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I HAVE FIVE ON A. IS THAT STILL WHERE WE'RE AT? I'M A OR B, BUT I GUESS MY A MAJORITY. SO I HAVE COUNCILMEMBER, COUNCILMEMBER. SHELTON, COUNCILMEMBER HALL, COUNCIL MEMBER. HARRIS. COUNCIL MEMBER. JACOB IS A. AND COUNCILMEMBER C WAFFLING, WAFFLING BETWEEN A AND B. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR. IT WAS NATIONAL WAFFLE DAY. REALLY SORRY I MISSED IT. OPTION B OPTION B WOULD BE YEAR ROUND GREEN WASTE. SO WOULD YOUR HEADACHES GO AWAY YEAR ROUND YEAR-ROUND, GARBAGE YEAR ROUND GARBAGE. SO YEAH. SO YEAH, THE HEADACHE KIND OF GOES AWAY AT THAT POINT. RIGHT? WELL, IS IT STILL. YEAH. FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT THE CAN, WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SAYING WITH B AND I'M NOT HERE TO INFLUENCE YOU EITHER WAY, BUT YOU'RE REALLY SAYING WITH B IS EVERY RESIDENT IN THE CITY HAS TWO GARBAGE CANS AND ONE RECYCLING CAN. YES.

BY OUR BIWEEKLY. THANK YOU. AND BECAUSE OF THE PRICE TAG, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S JUST. IT'S JUST A, AN ESTIMATE, BUT SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF BENEFIT FOR ONLY $2.50 A MONTH.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT CHAD IS GETTING AT NOW. EVERYONE WOULD USE IT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE A BIG BENEFIT TO THE CITY OVERALL FOR ONLY TWO. 250 BUT YOU COULD OPT OUT OF I SEE THE GREEN CANS OUT EVERY WEEK, EVERY WEEK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU COULDN'T OPT OUT OF IT.

THAT'S TRUE WHETHER YOU USE IT OR NOT. YEAH. OKAY, SO I'LL SWITCH TO B SAME. I'M STICKING WITH A. YEAH, I'M STICKING WITH A C, BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM A. HOW MANY EGGS DO WE HAVE. NOW YOU'RE DOWN TO TWO WAYS. OH THREE A'S TWO BOBS A OR C. OH OKAY. SO BOB ARE YOU STILL A OR C? I AM STILL A OR C, MY PERSONAL USE IS A C, BUT I CAN I CAN WORK MY WAY THROUGH FIGURING OUT HOW TO WORK THE A. I WOULD JUST, LIKE I SAID, TAKE MY RECYCLING SOMEWHERE ELSE THAN THE CONVENIENCE OF JUST HAVING IT IN MY BLUE CAN. OKAY, SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE FOR FOR A.

DO I HAVE THAT YOU HAVE. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. FOR THAT. WE CAN DISCUSS TRASH CANS FOR THAT LONG. IT'S A BIG DEAL. IT'S A BIG DEAL. TALKING ABOUT INTERRUPTING OUT OF RENEWABLE ENERGY. YEAH. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OPTING IN AND OPTING OUT OF GREEN. YOU'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT BRINGING THAT UP. IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. START WITH

[d. Discussion Regarding Proposed Amendments to City Code 1-15-4 (D) Disclosure of Campaign Contributions and Expenditures]

AND WE HAVE KRISTEN. HELLO. MINE'S GOING TO BE NOT ARGUING ABOUT CANS. WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO RIGHT THROUGH THIS. YOURS IS JUST INFORMATION. MINE'S JUST INFORMATION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. THE CHOICES YOU SAY WHEN I PREP THE PRESENTATION ON THE CANS, THE MAYOR BEGGED ME TO HAVE A FLYING TOUCAN ACROSS THE TOUCAN OPTION. BUT I WAS GOING TO MENTION I HELD IT BACK. I WAS GOING TO MENTION FROOT LOOPS, BUT I DIDN'T. YEAH, I SHOULD HAVE PUT IT ON THERE. RIGHT. AND HERE TONIGHT TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT FINANCIAL CAMPAIGN REPORTS, THE LEGISLATURE THIS THIS YEAR PASSED SB 321, WHICH CREATES AN ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL REPORT THAT WOULD BE DUE JANUARY 10TH. AFTER THE GENERAL ELECTION. EVERYONE IS REQUIRED

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I'M BRINGING THIS TO YOU TO ASK WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I NEED A THUMBS UP IF YOU WANT TO KEEP BOTH OR A THUMBS DOWN IF YOU WANT TO GET AND DO THE AMENDMENT, WHO WANTS NUMBER TWO? NUMBER TWO? NUMBER TWO. OKAY, SO WE STILL HAVE TO DO BOTH. IT'S JUST THAT THEY'D BE DUE AT THE SAME TIME. NO, NO, IT WOULD GET RID OF STATE ONE. OKAY. IT'S TAKING THE CITIES AND PUTTING THEM ON THE SAME THING THAT THE LEGISLATIVE WE GET RID OF THE CITY, ONE THAT'S IN OUR CODE. SO WE'LL DO AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER BADOR WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT? I WOULD GO WITH NUMBER TWO. OKAY. NUMBER TWO TWO. AND I BRING IT TO YOU JUST BECAUSE WITH EASY VOTE, I'VE GOT TO CREATE, I'VE GOT TO CHANGE SOME STUFF AROUND. AND WE DO HAVE AN ELECTION COMING UP. SO I JUST WANTED ENOUGH TIME TO, TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. SO THAT'S ALL THAT WAS. ME. YES. YOU STILL HAVE TO USE THE CITY, THE EASY VOTE, THE CITY SYSTEM. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT US ON THE STATE SYSTEM. NO THEY SHOULD. NO. PUT US ON THE STATE SYSTEM.

I SYSTEM IS TERRIBLE. YEAH. I ACTUALLY HAD A PAST COUNCIL MEMBER I HATE IT DO A BIG WRITE UP TO ME ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY APPRECIATED EASY VOTE AND HOW HE KIND OF THOUGHT IT WAS NOT REAL GREAT, BUT THEN HE HAD TO USE THE STATE ONE AND WAS LIKE, YOURS IS MUCH BETTER. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS, THANKS. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. OUR FINAL

[e. Follow up Discussion on Proposed Code for E-Bikes]

YEAH. LISTEN, BEFORE I CAME TO THE CITY, I, I WORKED ABOUT 15 YEARS FOR THE UTES AND SHOSHONE PAIUTES. THIS WAS A GIFT FROM SOME FRIENDS. SO YEAH, KIND OF FUN. LEGIT. YEAH. LEGIT. IF I SAID THEY WERE INDIANS AND COWBOYS. I DON'T KNOW THAT ZACK WOULD BELIEVE ME TODAY, BUT IT'S TRUE. I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT E-BIKES, AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. HAVE WE NOT BEEN HERE BEFORE? AND ARE WE GOING TO SEE THIS ANOTHER 5 OR 6 TIMES? THE ANSWER IS YES. IT JUST KEEPS COMING. THE LEGISLATURE WILL KEEP THINKING, WELL, THEY THEY DO. WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT RECYCLING. FORTUNATELY, THAT IS TRUE. AND I, I MADE E-BIKES GREEN BECAUSE

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IT'S ONE LINE JUST HELPS THEM POINT SOMEWHERE IN CITY CODE AND JUST REMIND PEOPLE IT'S OBVIOUSLY UNLAWFUL TO OPERATE IN A NEGLIGENT MANNER. ANYTHING. I DID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. THIS IS THE SAME AS BIKES, RIGHT? JUST A PEDAL BICYCLE PEDAL BICYCLES CAN'T OPERATE IN A NEGLIGENT OR DANGEROUS MANNER EITHER. CAN I ASK FOR A DEFINITION ON THAT? SO IF THEY WERE DOING A WHEELIE, THAT NEGLIGENT IN ONE HAND IS THAT NEGLIGENT? I IT'S IT'S NEGLIGENT OR CREATES RISKS TO PEDESTRIANS OR TRAFFIC. SO I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE AT, WHAT TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING IT. WHO ELSE IS PRESENT? DON'T DO PLAYS ON REDWOOD. OKAY. YEAH. IF, IF THEY'RE DOING WHEELIES IN FRONT OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AFTER SCHOOL GETS OUT, I WOULD SAY THAT IS A DANGER TO PEDESTRIANS IF THEY'RE DOING WHEELIES DOWN THE ROAD. YOU KNOW, DURING RUSH HOUR, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO CREATE A RISK TO TRAFFIC HANDS FREE. NO HANDS. ONE HAND DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND AND I WOULD TRUST OUR EXCELLENT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO LOOK AT DOING THAT.

YOU WANT TO ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT OR DO YOU WANT A BETTER DEFINITION? IT IS THE DEFINITION THAT THE STATE USES FOR BICYCLES AS WELL. IT'S VERBATIM WHAT WE HAVE HAD AND HAVE APPLIED FOR. SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS HELPFUL ON HERE IS JUST THE AGE LIMIT, RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK OR PATH. AGAIN, IT'S NOT FOR, YOU KNOW, PROHIBITING IT ALTOGETHER.

JUST SAYING THAT IF YOU'VE GOT KIDS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE OPERATING E-BIKES THAT ARE UNDER A CERTAIN AGE, THEY SHOULD BE MONITORED BY THEIR PARENT OR GUARDIAN. SO AGAIN, THIS IS A QUESTION. YEAH, AN ADULT WRITING AN ELECTRIC ASSIST PEDAL BIKE. YEAH. WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO TAKE IT ON. A CITY PATH. YES. YEAH. YEAH. THIS IS JUST PROHIBITING CERTAIN. THE SECOND BULLET POINT PROHIBITS THAT UNDER 14 YEARS OF AGE. I'M SORRY. DID DID YOU SAY AN ADULT? WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SAYING IF YOU IF YOU'RE ABOVE 14, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED ON A SIDEWALK OR PATH AT ALL. NO, NO. UNDER 14. YOU MUST BE ON TO HAVE IT. YEAH.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE JUST THE OPPOSITE. OKAY. SORRY. I JUST IN OUR CITY, CAN THEY RIDE ELECTRIC BIKES ON THE JORDAN PARKWAY PATH? YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A PATH ALLOWED. SOUTH JORDAN APPARENTLY ISN'T ALLOWING THAT ACCORDING TO THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE. WELL, I FOUND INTERESTING. YEAH. WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK AT A PREVIOUS MEETING WAS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT USE THEM FOR COMMUTING OR OTHER THINGS, AND THAT THE JORDAN RIVER PARKWAY IS SOMEWHERE WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT COMMUTE. AND WE WANTED TO LEAVE THAT OPEN. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN I READ THAT, I'M LIKE, YEAH, I THINK WE SAID THEY SHOULD. YES. AS LONG AS THEY'RE GOING NORTH AND NOT SOUTH. THAT'S WHY IT'S BEST. JORDAN, BECAUSE WE ALLOW YOU TO COMMUTE ON THE JORDAN RIVER PARK. I WAS ON THAT TRAIL IN SOUTH JORDAN TODAY AND THERE WERE E-BIKES PASSING ME. WELL, I DIDN'T SEE THE SIGN, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACCORDING TO THEIR FACEBOOK, YOU KNOW, POSTED ON FACEBOOK. YEAH. WELL, IT WAS THEIR CITY. OH, WAS THEIR CITY. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. BUT BUT JUST KIND OF ONE OTHER THOUGHT. ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD HAD AT A PRIOR MEETING WAS ABOUT KIDS THAT ARE DRIVING TOO FAST ON ON SIDEWALKS. AGAIN, THAT KIND OF GOES TO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION ABOUT JUST OPERATING IN A NEGLIGENT MANNER OR THAT CREATES UNDUE RISK TO PEDESTRIANS OR OTHER TRAFFIC. I MEAN, THERE'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, ABOUT CATCHING, YOU KNOW, KIDS THAT ARE DOING THAT, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TRY AND ENFORCE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.

YOU SHOULD PUT UP A WHOLE BUNCH OF CAMERAS TO POLICE. WHAT'S THAT? I WAS JOKING. SO THAT'S

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WE'RE FOLLOWING THE STATE. THE STATE'S ALREADY COVERED A LOT OF CONCERNS. WHAT THE STATE DOES LEAVE UP TO US IS, IS WHERE WE WANT THE CITY E-BIKES TO BE OPERATED ON SIDEWALKS, TRAILS, PATHS, THINGS LIKE THAT. MY, MY TAKEAWAY FROM OUR LAST MEETING WAS THAT THE COUNCIL WANTED TO ESSENTIALLY ALLOW E-BIKES WHERE BICYCLES GO WITH SOME LIMITATIONS BASED ON AGE, WHICH IS WHERE THE 14 AND UNDER CAME, CAME IN WITH SOME PARENTAL SUPERVISION. OKAY, THANKS. I THINK ENFORCEMENT IS A IS A VALID QUESTION, THOUGH. YEAH. IT IS, IT IS. I KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE'S. I GUESS, DRONES AND OTHER TOOLS THAT SOMETIMES GET UTILIZED. AND I DON'T KNOW, CHIEF, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT JUST KIND OF SOME OF THE RECENT EXPERIENCES, BUT MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IN SPEAKING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THAT A LOT OF THE ISSUES ARE ACTUALLY. ARE ACTUALLY THE SECOND TO LAST ONE, THE ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES. IT'S THE SIRENS, RIGHT? WHICH ARE THE HIGH POWERED, PRETTY QUIET ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES THAT HAVE BULKED UP SUSPENSION. THEY'RE MUCH QUICKER, EXTREMELY FUN. BUT TALK TALK. YEAH. THEY'VE THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF, OF CAPABILITY. BUT THEY I THINK ALSO ENABLE THE RIDER TO FEEL LIKE THEY CAN RUN FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS, I DON'T KNOW.

CHIEF, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT. MOST OF THE ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE FOCUSED AROUND THOSE, THE VEHICLE OR THE MOTORCYCLES THAT ARE ON THE ROAD THAT AREN'T LICENSED. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ENFORCING NOW. THIS WILL GIVE US THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE WHEN OFFICERS DRIVING, WHEN THEY SEE SOMEBODY DRIVING RECKLESSLY ON THE SIDEWALK. WE DO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH IN ENFORCING THAT. IF SOMEBODY'S DRIVING ON THE SIDEWALK. THEY LOOK YOUNGER.

I THINK WE'RE GONNA STOP THEM AND MIGHT BE THEM. SEE THEM. AT A SPECIFIC 14 AND 15 YEAR OLDS ARE USUALLY IF THAT'S THE CASE. NEITHER ONE OF THEM USUALLY HAVE IDENTIFICATION. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING AN ID, A 14 YEAR OLD. JUST ASK. ARE THERE ANY THINGS IN THIS CODE THAT YOU WOULD HELP? THE STATE CODE REALLY DOES INCLUSIVE AS FAR AS. ENFORCEMENT GO. OKAY. TO GO TOO FAR AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE FOR TWO YEARS THEY CONTINUE TO UPDATE THIS. WHAT DO YOU SEE HOW WHAT KIND OF INFLUENCE WE HAVE OVER STATE CODE? WE STARTED REQUIRING FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES. NOW THE STATE IS MAKING EVERYBODY DO IT. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME COOL NEW GROUNDBREAKING BIKE LEGISLATION IN THE STATE WILL MAKE EVERYBODY DO IT. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE COOLING, LEADING THE WAY FOR THAT. WE'RE. OKAY. SORRY. YEAH. DO WE HAVE FOR. MOVING THIS ITEM TO COUNCIL? CHAD, DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? I DO, OKAY. AND WE HAVE SIX. WE CAN WE CAN ASK COUNCIL MEMBER LIKE. I THINK WE SHOULD. I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBER OR ARE YOU A THUMBS UP ON THIS? YEAH. THUMBS UP. SIMPLIFYING AND MAKING IT WITH WHAT THE STATE GOES AND LEAVING IT THERE. DO YOU HAVE ALL SEVEN. SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO A UPCOMING COUNCIL

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WE CAN PROVIDE ACTUALLY TABLES THAT SYNTHESIZE MULTIPLE LAND USES. SO YOU CAN KIND OF DO A QUICK, QUICK COMPARISON. BUT MP MANUFACTURING PARK, YOU GOT C G WHICH IS OUR GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

I'M LESS THRILLED ABOUT THAT. I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT'S A VIABLE OPTION HERE. CM WHICH IS OUR IT'S OUR HEAVY COMMERCIAL. THERE'S KIND OF A, A LIGHTER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. WE DON'T USE IT VERY OFTEN. RETAIL, COMMERCIAL. YEAH. SO IT'S KIND OF THIS WE ONLY HAVE A FEW POCKETS OF CM IN THE CITY. ONE ON AIRPORT ROAD, ONE OFF OF 1300 WEST. IT'S AN OLD ZONE. WE JUST DON'T USE A WHOLE LOT ANYWAY. AND THEN IN THAT WHOLE AREA YOU HAVE EXISTING M ONE, WHICH IS OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. WE HAVE A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL WHICH IS M TWO. WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF M2 TO BE HONEST. AND EVEN OUR M ONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CAN BE PRETTY INTENSE. LIKE WE DISCUSSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE JUST QUICK POTENTIAL OPTIONS. OTHER THINGS YOU THE COUNCIL COULD LOOK AT OTHER USES ALLOWED IN THE CURRENT ZONE, WHICH IS PUBLIC FACILITIES IN PUBLIC FACILITIES. COULD THEY DO LIKE ANOTHER SITE VILLAGE THERE IF THEY CHOSE TO? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SIMILAR TYPE OF USE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY VILLAGE? FOR MANY HOUSES? FOR RECOVERY? FOR RECOVERY? YES.

YES THEY COULD. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER SIDE ACADEMY? THE OTHER SIDE ACADEMY? NO, THE OTHER SIDE ACADEMY IS A REALLY COOL PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE IN SALT LAKE. MOSTLY. IT'S IT'S A IT'S BASICALLY A DRUG REHAB, BUT THEY IT'S RAN A LOT BY ADDICTS THAT ARE REFORMED, I GUESS. AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE BUSINESSES. THEY HAVE A MOVING BUSINESS. THEY HAVE DONUTS, A COUPLE LOCATIONS FOR DONUTS. SO YOU'RE ASKING IF I WAS JUST CLARIFYING IF THAT IS A USE UNDER PUBLIC USE, THAT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL. SO THEY HAVE THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS. BUT THE OTHER SIDE VILLAGE. YEAH. IS THE RESIDENTIAL, THE OTHER SIDE ACADEMY, WHICH IS AN EDUCATION COMPONENT. THEY HAVE THE OTHER SIDE BUSINESSES, THE MOVERS, THE OTHER SIDE STORAGE, THE OTHER SIDE DONUTS, YOU COULD BREAK ON THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIDE. THEY ALSO HAVE A THEY AEROSMITH SONG. THEY HAVE A THRIFT, ANOTHER THRIFT STORE THEY DO IN IN MILL CREEK, I

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HE'S SUCH A RELAXING AREA. THAT'S HIGH DENSITY. THAT IS HIGH DENSITY. YOU GET A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT IT REQUIRES VERY LITTLE AS FAR AS PRETTY QUIET, HOW MUCH THEY DON'T NEED A LOT OF THEY DON'T DRIVE A LOT. THEY NEED WATER, BUT LESS SEWER. IT WILL NOT BE WALKING THROUGH THE PARK. ONE OTHER THING THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO TO BE AWARE OF, MR. ANDREWS, IS CORRECT. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATIONS, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FULLY ACCEPT THEM YET UNTIL WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, BECAUSE IT RUNS AFOUL OF THE BALANCED HOUSING ORDINANCE. RIGHT. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IF IF RESIDENTIAL IS IN THIS IS THE GENERAL CONSENSUS FOR THIS AREA. AND IF THE COUNCIL LIKES THE DESIGN, THEN WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER AMENDMENTS TO YOUR EXISTING CODE TO FACILITATE THAT. THAT'S ALL. AND I'M NOT WILLING TO AMEND THAT. OKAY. FOR THAT, I AM VERY WILLING TO BALANCE HOUSING ORDINANCE IN THE GARBAGE TO BUILD ANY RESIDENTIAL AT ALL WOULD RUN THE HOUSING, THE ATTACHED, THE MULTIFAMILY DETACHED HOUSING, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE ARE. IS THAT TRUE FOR ANY ATTACHED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN WEST JORDAN? NO, THERE'S A LOT ABOUT THERE IS AN EXCEPTION, NO EXCEPTIONS. THERE'S ZONES THAT MAKE AN EXCEPTION. YEAH. NEXT TO ATTRACT STATION, FOR EXAMPLE, OR IF IT'S SENIOR HOUSING OR THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PLANNED RESIDENTIAL LIKE, LIKE TERRAIN.

IF WE KEPT THE ZONING, PUBLIC FACILITIES, WHAT OPTIONS DOES THAT LEAVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS? YOU KNOW, LIKE WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO WE CAN PROVIDE A LIST OF ALLOWED USES OR CONDITIONAL USES IN THE PUBLIC FACILITY ZONE AS PART OF OUR MORE FORMAL ANALYSIS FOR THE COUNCIL. HAPPY TO DO THAT. ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE CAN WE CAN LOOK INTO IN MORE DETAIL. AGAIN, IF IF THERE'S A MAJORITY THAT DO WANT TO SEE SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA, WE CAN LOOK AT A HYBRID. I WOULDN'T WE DON'T. WE HAVE OUR OUR MIXED USE TYPE ZONES OR PLANNED PLANNED COMMUNITY ZONES.

THAT IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE ZONING TOOL TO USE HERE. WHAT I WOULD. IF THAT'S THE CASE, I WOULD. I THINK THE DEVELOPER BROUGHT UP MAYBE A STRIP OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ALONG BAGLEY PARK ROAD AS THAT TRANSITION. IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY. BUT THEY WERE. OH, OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.

SO WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT A, JUST A STRIP OF INDUSTRIAL TYPE ZONING ALONG THAT ROADWAY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THEN BEHIND THAT, COME UP WITH A TOOL TO DO ATTACHED HOUSING BACK THERE. SO WE'LL, WE CAN DIG INTO THAT IN MORE DETAIL IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE USING OUR STAFF TIME EFFICIENTLY AND APPROPRIATELY.

AND SO, CHAIR, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I ASKED THE COUNCIL JUST TO INFORMAL. DISCUSSION. WELL, IF IF THERE'S IF THERE'S ANY IF THERE IS ENOUGH OF THE COUNCIL DESIRE TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA, I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN QUESTION I WANT TO HAVE ANSWERED. OTHERWISE, IT WOULDN'T BE WISE FOR ME TO SPEND TIME ON THIS OR THE DEVELOPER TO SPEND MORE TIME.

SURE. SO BEFORE WE DO OUR LITTLE VOTE, I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE HOW NO RESIDENTIAL IS HELPFUL BECAUSE IF THERE'S RESIDENTIAL THERE, IF WE HAVE NO RESIDENTIAL, THEN THERE'S NO BUFFER. AND THEN THERE'S JUST A LINE RIGHT THERE WHERE THE CURRENT HOMEOWNERS ARE INTO INDUSTRIAL. AND THAT DOESN'T SEEM GREAT. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. MY FEELINGS ON THAT ARE THAT THE ROADS THAT LEAD TO THIS PROPERTY ARE BUILT FOR INDUSTRIAL USE. THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS, THERE ARE SOME SIDEWALKS, BUT THERE IS NOT A CONTINUOUS LIKE FROM THE END, FROM THE END OF THE PROPERTY, EVEN AFTER THEY PUT IN THE SIDEWALK THAT LINES THE PROPERTY ON BAGLEY PARK. BEYOND THAT, THERE IS NO SIDEWALKS AT ALL. ALL THE WAY OUT TO OLD BINGHAM HIGHWAY. AND SO WE'RE PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS HIGH DENSITY. WHAT OUR HOPE IS WITH HIGH DENSITY IS, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO CREATE. A DRAW TO GO

[02:10:07]

LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT A SHORT DISTANCE TO THE TRACK STATION. I THINK THEY SAID TWO THIRDS A MILE OR JUST UNDER A MILE. YEAH. AND IT'S NOT A PLEASANT WALK. SO MOST PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AREN'T GOING TO GO THERE AND SAY, WELL, LOOK, I CAN LIVE HERE WITHOUT A CAR. THIS IS NOT A WALKABLE COMMUNITY. AND THEY HAVE AND THEIR, THEIR NEW DESIGN DOES OVER PARK IT. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A LOT A LOT OF PARKING. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY OVER PARK IT, BUT THEY'VE GOT A GOOD AMOUNT OF MORE THAN MORE THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THAT. YEAH. IF THE COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING OTHER USES, OTHER ZONES, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT AT MINIMUM, AT MINIMUM, THOSE OTHER ZONES THAT I MENTIONED HAVE A LANDSCAPE AT MINIMUM 20 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO TO HELP WITH TRANSITIONS AND BUFFERS AND MINIMUM. THAT'S, THAT'S THE START. THIS HAS AT LEAST THAT WAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE OF DETENTION OR RETENTION, WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, IMPROVING THAT USABLE, FUNCTIONAL OPEN SPACE, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY NICE. THIS HAS BEEN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA FOR 50 PLUS YEARS, 60 YEARS. IT'S BEEN INDUSTRIAL. AND I DON'T WANT I'VE EVEN LIVED HERE. I DON'T WANT OUR INDUSTRIAL RESIDENTS WHO REALLY HAVE NO VOICE IN THIS ROOM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T EVEN VOTE FOR US. BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO WANT TO MOVE HERE. IF THEY SEE YOUR POINT, THOUGH, I DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING DISPLACED AND BEING PUSHED OUT, BEING ENCROACHED ON.

AND YOU AND I CAN GUARANTEE ANY RESIDENT WHO BUYS IN HERE. ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER MONTHS WITH WITH THE SALT DEPOT RUNNING 24 OVER SEVEN, THERE'S GOING TO BE THERE'S GOING TO BE COMPLAINTS WE ALREADY KNOW. AND STAFF TOLD US THAT THERE'S OTHER BUSINESSES COMPLAINING ABOUT BUSINESSES WITHIN THIS AREA. SO AND A BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE TOLERANT THAN A RESIDENCE. SO WE ARE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS BY PUTTING ANY RESIDENCE IN THIS LOCATION. CAN OF WORMS IS NOT RESIDENTIAL. IT'S GOING TO LIVE SOMEWHERE. A WORM FARM, I GUESS WE WANT A WORM. WE WANT A WORM FARM. I OPEN THIS UP TO THE BOWLERS AND THEN WE CAN GET RID OF A WHOLE OTHER PROBLEM. I DON'T I DON'T LOVE HAVING RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA, BUT I DO LIKE HAVING A BUFFER. YEAH. LIKE I'M WITH. YEAH. IT'S LIKE WITH THE BUFFER CAN BE A LIGHT USE INDUSTRIAL LIKE LIKE THAT COULD BE IT'S NOT NAPA LIGHT USE INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S M ONE. I BELIEVE THAT'S M ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT NAPA NAPA HAS BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. THE ZONING.

YEAH. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE NICE TO LIVE BY THAT INDUSTRIAL. WHICH IS THAT ONE.

OKAY. INTERESTING. ALL OF THAT LIGHT MANUFACTURING ISN'T DOESN'T ISN'T THAT'S A GOOD MAP.

THE RESIDENTIAL INDUSTRIAL AND THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. EXCEPT IT DOESN'T DO WHAT I SAID. RED AND BLUE. I CAN MAKE PURPLE, YELLOW AND PURPLE MAKES BROWN. SO IT'S NOT AS IT'S NOT AS ILLUSTRATIVE. NO. BUT IT SHOWS YOU WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. YES. I SEE, THAT'S NICE.

YEAH. IT REALLY IS JUST RIGHT THERE. DO RESIDENTS LIKE WHAT'S THERE NOW. LIKE DO THEY IS IT MAYBE PUBLIC FACILITIES, BOYS RANCH? THEY LIKE IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE. YEAH. AND THERE'S NOT, AND IT'S NOT REALLY IT'S NOT REALLY RUNNING RIGHT NOW OPERATIONAL. THEY'RE NOT REALLY EVEN WHEN THEY WERE IT WASN'T THERE WASN'T THE NOISE FACTOR. YES. I PREFER VACANT BUILDINGS. YES. SO OKAY. SO DID YOU HEAR THAT COUNCIL MEMBER THAT NAPA IS ZONED M1. OKAY. AND IT'S BEEN THERE, AS YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG TIME. BUT I CAN I CAN SAY THIS BECAUSE DENISE LEFT THE ROOM, BUT LAND USE IS PROBABLY THE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT LEVERS YOU CAN PULL OTHER THAN BUDGET. BUT I TRY TO LOOK BEHIND ME. SHE'S GONNA UP HERE. WELL, IT'S REALLY BIG, RIGHT? SO THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING. AND SO. I THINK THE BUDGET, I MEAN, IT'S MOST IMPORTANT THING. THE COUNCIL

[02:15:01]

I STILL LOVE YOU, JAKE. I THINK I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME RESIDENTIAL CLOSE TO THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL THAT GOES INTO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. IT. IS THERE A WAY WITH WITH OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES FOR THEM TO DO LIKE HOUSING AND THEN AND THEN INCREASE DENSITY AND THEN SOME MAKER PLACES OR SOMETHING LIKE HOUSING, MEANING LARGER LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY. YEAH, YEAH.

MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED TO BE THERE R1 TENS, BUT LIKE SOME R1 SIXES OR SOMETHING. YOU COULD DO MULTIPLE ZONES. YEAH, YEAH. OH YEAH. THAT'S TRUE. I GUESS WE COULD COULD DO BREAK IT UP INTO MORE THAN ONE SOMETHING LIKE COPPER MEADOWS WHERE YOU HAVE THE SINGLE FAMILY AGAINST THE SINGLE FAMILY. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE YEAH, YOU FENCE IT UP AS YOU GO. THAT'S AN OPTION. WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS AS AN OPTION. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO KEEP ON TRAILING THIS ON, BUT IS THERE LIKELIHOOD OF SOMETHING INTERESTING BEING AN OPTION UNDER THE CURRENT ZONE PUBLIC FACILITY. SO THAT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND WELL TO THE THEY HAVE A WELL. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS. BUT WE WILL IF THE COUNCIL DESIRES. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE ENOUGH TO EXPLORE RESIDENTIAL. AT LEAST IN PART.

WE CAN PROVIDE THAT AS PART OF OUR. OUR USE TABLE IS ALLOWED USES. CURRENTLY, COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT IS YOUR. A LOT OF MINE ECHOES CLOSELY WITH WITH KENT COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON, BUT A LOT OF. IT'S BECAUSE OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE IS SO, FIRST OF ALL, TO TALK ABOUT THE.

THE BUFFER. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, THERE REALLY ISN'T A BUFFER BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO GO HOUSING TO RESIDENTIAL OR IT GOES HOUSING TO STREET AT SOME POINT. THERE'S NOT A TRUE FULL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A BUFFER. IT'S GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF HOUSING WHERE THERE'S ALREADY SOME KIND OF HOUSING AND THEN IT GOES TO INDUSTRIAL. THERE'S, THERE'S JUST KIND OF THE WALL THERE. BUT MY CONCERNS, A LOT OF IT IS THAT THAT AREA ISN'T. FACILITATED TO BE RESIDENTIAL. AS COUNCILMEMBER SHELTON HAS TALKED ABOUT, THE ROADS, THERE ARE NOT ARE NOT THERE FOR RESIDENTIAL FOR PEOPLE TO WALK ON AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THAT THAT MAKES IT APPEALING OR SAFE AROUND THERE. I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE THE RESIDENTIAL, I MEAN, THE THE INDUSTRIAL WILL BE NOISY IN THAT AREA, THE SEMIS GOING AT MULTIPLE HOURS, GOING ALONG THOSE THOSE SMALL TOWN HOUSES THERE. BUT MY KIND OF MY BIGGEST CONCERN AND SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. AND IT WAS TALKED ABOUT A BIT, IS THAT WHATEVER WE DO IN THIS AREA BECOMES A BLUEPRINT FOR THE, THE WOMEN'S SIDE AND WHATEVER YOU KNOW, IS SET UP THERE. WE GOTTA ALMOST THINK IT'S CLOSE TO DOUBLED OR AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, 50% CERTAIN PERCENTAGE MORE IS GOING TO GO IN THERE. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THIS, IF ANYONE IS THINKING AT ANY TIME, THIS SEEMS TO TOO HIGH DENSITY, YOU'VE GOT TO IMAGINE THAT WHOLE AREA RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS GOING TO BE THE SAME AT SOME POINT. SO WHATEVER WE LOOK AT DOING, WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN WHAT WE'RE OKAYING AND DOING IN THAT AREA.

I DO LIKE THE DESIGN OF WHAT DA HAS DONE, DA HAS DONE HERE. IT IS MUCH BETTER THAN IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING, AND THEY HAVE LISTENED TO A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID. BUT I THINK THAT WE AS A CITY ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IF THAT BECOMES RESIDENTIAL? HOW DO WE MAKE THE ROADS AROUND THERE MORE SAFER FOR RESIDENTS AND NOT JUST PLAN ON THEM FIGURING OUT THEMSELVES? THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO, TO KIND OF BE THAT BUFFER TO THE RESIDENTS TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE THEM A CITY THAT'S SAFE TO BE A PART OF AND ONE THAT IS WORKABLE. SO I, I, LIKE I SAID, I REALLY LIKE THE DA HAS DONE HERE, BUT I'M ALSO JUST LOOKING AT THAT LAND NEXT TO IT AND JUST THINKING THAT'S GOING TO LOOK ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE WHAT WE DO HERE. AND ANYTIME I'VE HEARD THAT IT'S THE DENSITY IS NOT RIGHT. I'M JUST LOOKING THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THAT SAME DENSITY OVER THERE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL. SO IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL, I DON'T MIND IF THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THE

[02:20:02]

IT'S NOT AN EASY HAND-IN-GLOVE. YEAH IT IS, BUT I THINK I THINK BOB AND KENT ARE CONVINCING ME THAT MAYBE IT IS BETTER LEFT EITHER PUBLIC FACILITIES OR. IS THERE A FOURTH THAT WANTS TO KEEP IT AS IS? OR DO YOU WANT TO? I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO SPEND SOME TIME HERE. OKAY. BOB, I THIS PARCEL IS JUST NOT CONDUCIVE TO WHAT I SEE UP HERE. LET'S JUST BUY IT. MAKE A PICKLE PARK. WELL, WE CAN DO HALF PARK. WELL, THIRD, A THIRD AND A PARK. A THIRD IN A REC CENTER AND THIRD CEMETERY. THAT'LL BE PERFECT. THAT WOULD BE. I WOULD BE OPEN. AND ALL JOKING ASIDE, I WOULD BE OPEN TO KEEPING IT THE CURRENT ZONE. I WOULD I WOULD BE OPEN TO SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. YEAH. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE, BUT THE CURRENT ZONE WE OR WE'RE A M ONE, BUT WE HAVE. OR IS THERE ANY KIND OF A ZONE THAT DOES LIKE A INDUSTRIAL MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY? NO. YOU TYPICALLY DON'T LIKE TO MIX RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. NO, NO, I'M NOT SAYING RESIDENTIAL. WITH APARTMENTS ON TOP OF INDUSTRIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, A PLANNED COMMUNITY INDUSTRIAL, INDUSTRIAL FOR INDUSTRIAL. LIKE A. WE HAVE OUR MANUFACTURING PARK ZONE. OUR ZONE IS THAT REQUIRE A M, B, A OR ANYTHING I'D HAVE. WE HAVEN'T USED IT IN YEARS. I'D HAVE TO LOOK GOOD, I GUESS. WE COULD SAY IT'S SOME SORT OF ZONE WHERE IT REQUIRES A MASTER PLAN WHERE WE COULD WHERE WE COULD STAGE DIFFERENT LIKE LIGHTER USES TOWARD THE BACK AND HEAVIER USES OUT NEAR BAGLEY PARK. SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS WHAT I'M IMAGINING. SO DO I HAVE I WANT A FOOTBALL STADIUM THERE. I THINK THAT'LL MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY THERE. YEAH.

SO THEY LIKE FOOTBALL EXCEPT FOR SUNDAY NIGHT FOR THE NOISE AND THE CARS AND THE TRAFFIC, AND THEY WANT TO KEEP IT THE SAME ZONE, KEEP IT THE SAME ZONE, INDUSTRIAL. AND TO THREE AND BOB, BOB, ARE YOU ON BOARD WITH THAT THAT THE SAME ZONE FOR UNLESS I SAW ANYTHING

[02:25:05]

THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. TOSCA IS A BAD FIT. COSTCO. ARE YOU GOING TO PUT MY COSTCO THERE. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ANY GOOD THERE EITHER. THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE WORSE THAT

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