Sep 08, 2026 Committee of the Whole

[Call to Order]

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OUR CHAIR, JESSICA. THANK YOU, EVERYONE WHO CAN AVOID SETTING OURSELVES, PLEASE DO SO. YES, I APOLOGIZE FOR. WHAT'S HAPPENED. OH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT PRESENT WE HAVE CHAIR JACOB.

EXCUSE ME. COUNCIL MEMBER. JACOB, COUNCIL MEMBER. HARRIS. COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER WHITELOCK, COUNCIL MEMBER. CLEM. AND WE WILL EXCUSE VICE CHAIR SHELTON TONIGHT. OUR FIRST

[a. Continued Discussion of a Proposed Rezone for Barber Estates (5490 West) and Roadway Improvement Requirements]

AS MENTIONED, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BARBARA STATE REZONE, AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF DISCUSSION FROM JULY 28TH. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TWO MAIN QUESTIONS TODAY. FIRST IS THE APPLICANT IS ASKING THE COUNCIL IF THEY WILL SUPPORT A HALF WIDTH ROAD ON 5490 WEST. THEY PROVIDED US A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS WHICH WE'LL GO OVER. IF THAT IS SOMETHING THE COUNCIL IS WILLING TO ENTERTAIN. AND SECONDLY, THEY HAVE REVISED THEIR PLAN SINCE LAST TIME WE MET, SHOWING A NEW R1 12 LAYOUT. SO HERE'S THE CONCEPT PLAN. IT'S BEEN AMENDED AGAIN. THIS IS SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT AT PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT JUST A QUICK LOOK AT IT. ALL OF THE LOTS ARE OVER 12,000FT■!S. AND IT MEETS THE STANDARDS THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE OF AN R-1 DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS DOES REDUCE THE LOT COUNT DOWN TO 19. SO OF THE THREE OPTIONS, IF THE COUNCIL IS WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A HALF WIDTH ROAD ALONG 5490, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THREE OPTIONS. THE FIRST ONE YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN WITH A GREEN LINE IS WOULD BE A MEDIAN OR KIND OF LIKE A CURB BEING INSTALLED BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE PORTIONS OF 5490 WEST. OPTION NUMBER TWO IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, BUT INSTEAD OF A CURB, IT WOULD BE A FOUR INCH YELLOW PAINTED LINE. AND OPTION THREE IS TO PLACE A GATE AT THE END, AN EMERGENCY ACCESS GATE WITH SOME EMERGENCY ACCESS SIGNAGE. AND THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD DIFFERENTIATE IS MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT REALLY JUST DEPEND ON THAT GATE TO CONTROLLING THE ACCESS THERE.

EXCEPT FOR IN CASE OF EMERGENCIES. STAFF ANALYSIS OF THE REVISED PROPOSALS ARE. THE R1 12 LOOKS GOOD. WE SEE ALL THE LOTS ARE SHOWING R1 12 STANDARDS. AS FOR THE HALF WIDTH ROAD, IT'S NOT OUR PREFERENCE AS STAFF, BUT IF THE COUNCIL DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF IT, THAT IS SOMETHING THE COUNCIL IS ABLE TO DO. OF THE THREE OPTIONS WE HAVE SEEN, WE FEEL LIKE THE PAINTED LINE IS THE BEST OPTION AS WE WILL HAVE SOME UTILITIES AND STUFF WHICH WILL BE UNDER THIS ROAD OR ANY INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH WE INSTALL ABOVE. THAT WILL JUST MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO MAINTAIN THAT. SORRY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS? WHY JUST PAINTING THE LINE MAKES IT EASIER. YES. SO LIKE ONE EXAMPLE IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR WATER LINE UNDER THE ROAD. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE TO WHERE THAT LINE IS. SO IF WE HAVE TO DO ANY MAINTENANCE ON THAT, JUST EXTRA WORK OF GOING THROUGH THAT CONCRETE CURB, AS WELL AS REPAIRING THAT AFTERWARDS. WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT THERE'S BEEN ONGOING DISCUSSIONS SINCE LAST TIME THE COUNCIL SAW THIS, AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOW WILLING TO SELL THE HALF WIDTH OF THE ROAD TO ALLOW FOR A FULL WIDTH CONSTRUCTION AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD. AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY STAFF DOESN'T SUPPORT THE HALF WIDTH ROAD. BUT. THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING AS ONE. DOES COUNCIL SUPPORT THE R1 12 DESIGNATION HERE? TWO DOES THE COUNCIL FEEL HALF WIDTH ROAD IS APPROPRIATE? IF SO, WHICH OF THE PRESENTED OPTIONS DOES COUNCIL SUPPORT OR IS THERE ANOTHER SOLUTION THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE? I'M ALSO HAVE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT. I DON'T

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AND THEY HAVE ANIMALS AND SOMETIMES ANIMALS AND PEOPLE DON'T INTERFACE WELL IF THEY DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER. THEY WOULD PREFER THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT ALIGNED. AND. I BETTER GET MY THING AND NOT MINE OUT. LET ME LOOK AT MY PICTURE. WAS THIS MEETING RECENTLY LIKE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS? YES. OKAY. OKAY. OH, 12,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE BEING PRESENTED AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. SEEMS LIKE THE LARGER HOMES TO BE CLOSER TO THE FARM AS WELL. NO, THIS IS THE OTHER PROPERTY. THIS IS THIS IS THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 5490. OKAY. SORRY. THE ONE ON THE SOUTH OF THE FARM. YEAH. IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING WHEN WE'VE GOT BOTH THE JONES FAMILY AND I DON'T KNOW, TAYLOR, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WHEN WE HAD A DEVELOPMENT GO IN, LIKE TO THE NORTH WILL BE RESIDENTIAL EVENTUALLY, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? IT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO DOES IT HAVE TO BE THERE? SO THERE'S NO STUB ROAD REQUIRED TO THE NORTH. THEY WOULD NEED TO IMPROVE 5490 WEST THOUGH TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. JUST I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT THE JONES FAMILY REQUESTED A STUB ROAD. THEY DON'T WANT THEM TO BE RENTALS. NOBODY WANTS. A WALL. OH, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THEY SAID THAT I SAID, NO, THEY. THEY LIKE THE PRIVATE PRIVATE GATE AFTER THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND APPROPRIATE. THE OTHER THINGS I'M WILLING TO SAY. IS THERE A WAY TO ANSWER YOUR SECOND QUESTION WHILE I'M SPEAKING IS, NO, I DON'T SUPPORT A HALF ROAD. I THINK IT LONG TERM WILL CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THE CITY COULD WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO ACCOMPLISH A FULL ROAD AND GET A FENCE ON THE VOLAR SIDE. AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY RUN NOT ONLY A FARM, BUT A BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT I KNOW BRINGS IN PEOPLE FROM LOTS OF SURROUNDING CITIES BECAUSE I TALK TO THEM WHEN I GO BY MY CHOCOLATE MILK, BECAUSE I ASK, OH, YOU KNOW, DO YOU LIVE IN WEST JORDAN? AND MOST OF THE TIME IT'S NO. IS IT RAW CHOCOLATE? NO, IT IS RAW MILK, BUT IT'S RAW CHOCOLATE MILK. IT'S REALLY GOOD. AND I TRUST FARMERS AS MUCH AS I TRUST THE FDA. SO THERE YOU GO. I PUT RAW CHOCOLATE IN MY REGULAR MILK. SO. ANYWAY, SO SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS FOR ME. I DON'T WANT TO HALF ROAD. I THINK THE THE OWNERS ARE WILLING TO SELL. I HOPE THERE'S A WAY THE CITY CAN WORK. AND I KNOW I'M VERY FRUGAL, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S IT'S THIS IT'S A CITY WIDE BENEFIT TO KEEP THEM THERE. AND IT'S A COST SAVINGS FOR NOT HAVING PHONE CALLS TO COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE FARM TO PUT A WALL. SOMETIMES WALL FENCES CAN MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS. AND I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE, GETTING A FENCE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE WALL, IT COULD MAKE FOR BETTER NEIGHBORS, SUGGESTING THE CITY PAY FOR THE WALL AND NOT THE DEVELOPER. I'M SAYING THAT, HOWEVER, THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE IT WORK SO THAT THE BOWLERS HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT WALL ON THEIR SIDE, THAT WE WORK TOWARDS THAT MAYOR. SO HOWEVER, THAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED TO RESIDENTS OR THE FARM THAT WANTED TO BE EIGHT FOOT INSTEAD OF SIX FARM LIKE ON THEIR SIDE TO HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT WALL, ARE THEY WILLING TO PAY MAYBE ONE FOOT OF THAT? SIX FOOT IS STANDARD? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WELL, TO HAVE THEM TWO FEET WALL IS A LOT OF MONEY. SO YEAH, THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE TO PUT. ALL

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YEAH, I GUESS EVEN PEOPLE FORGIVE ME IF YOU. SO THIS WAS A PART OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT. DID YOU. I CAN'T I DON'T RECALL. SO THIS WAS. SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE THAT CRITERIA THAT YOU JUST. WELL, THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT THE HOA HAS DESIRED. IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IT'S JUST THEY WANT THAT IN THERE. THEY WOULD LIKE SOME ASSURANCE THAT THESE THINGS WOULD OCCUR. AND THEY WOULD THEY WOULD LIKE DEED RESTRICTION, WHICH WE CAN DO.

YEAH. THE STATE HAS GIVEN US A WAY TO DO THAT. BUT YEAH, SO I'M JUST SHARING WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE HEARD AND THE WAY WE DID THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, I WENT, ZAC WENT BECAUSE IT'S HIS DISTRICT. AND THEN YOU WERE GOING TO COME BUT COULDN'T. OH, I DID GO THE FOLLOWING WEEK.

YEAH. OKAY. GOOD. YEAH. AND WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FARM VISIT. I'M TALKING ABOUT A MEETING WITH MYSELF OVER THE WEEKEND. YEAH. OKAY. GREAT. AND THEN THREE. DID THEY SAY WHERE THEY WANTED A STUB STREET INTO THE NEW AREA? INTO THE NORTH? WELL, THAT'S SO THEY COULD, I THINK SOMEBODY DEVELOPMENT WHEN THEY WANT TO SELL BECAUSE TYPICALLY PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SELL STREET IN THE NEXT AREA, RIGHT? THEY LIKE TO KEEP THEIR AREA LIKE THAT. YES. THEY'RE PLANNING ON SOMETHING DEVELOPING. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. NO, I MEAN PUTTING A STREET IN THAT TAKES OUT ONE WHOLE LOT THERE. YEAH, YEAH. OR, OR REQUIRES A RECONFIGURATION. I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE WAYS TO DO IT. SQUISH, YOU KNOW? YEAH. BECAUSE THAT LOT NUMBER I CAN'T READ THE ONE THAT'S GOT THE LONG LOT. IT'S BUILT THAT WAY BECAUSE THERE'S A HOME BEHIND THAT BEHIND IT. YEAH. YEAH. SO I'M JUST CONVEYING THAT AND GIVING MY OPINION ON THE ROAD.

SO THAT WAY IN NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEETINGS I'VE BEEN IN ON THIS PROPERTY, BUT IT'S BEEN A FEW WITH DEVELOPER WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND STUFF. I DON'T REMEMBER I SO FORGIVE ME, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE I THOUGHT THE HALFWAY THROUGH ROAD QUESTION WAS KIND OF ANSWERED AND IT'S LIKE, NO, IT DOESN'T WORK TO HAVE HALF OF A PUBLIC ROAD NEXT TO A HALF OF A PRIVATE ROAD.

THERE'S JUST NO FEASIBLE WAY TO MAKE THAT WORK. PERIOD. PUTTING A STRIPE DOWN THE MIDDLE DOES NOT MAKE THAT WORK. PUTTING BOLLARDS OR SOME OTHER KIND OF BARRIER DOWN THE MIDDLE OF A ROAD DOESN'T MAKE THAT WORK EITHER. SO NO, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A FULL WIDTH ROAD. YOU'VE GOT TO GO BORDER SIDE TO SIDE. I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANY WAY OF OF KEEPING HALF WIDTH OF A ROAD PRIVATE. WE JUST IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE CITY TAKES OVER THE WHOLE. YEAH. WHEN IT'S ALL DONE AND FINISHED. YEAH. IT WOULD BE ALL DEDICATED TO THE CITY. THAT SAID, HOW WE GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B IS DEVELOPER CAN TALK TO THE OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY, CAN TALK TO THE CITY STAFF AND Y'ALL FIGURE IT OUT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHETHER YOU SELL BY DEDICATE WHOEVER DOES WHAT TO WHOEVER, YOU GUYS FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT YEAH, FULL WIDTH ROAD R 112 IS GREAT SUBDIVISION PLAT I THERE'S SOME DETAILS THAT THAT THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE WORKED OUT, BUT THE ZONE IS PROPER AND CORRECT. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE ZONE. THE NEIGHBORS WERE HAPPY WITH THAT ZONING. YES. IS THERE ANYONE WHO FEELS DIFFERENT ABOUT THE ROAD? I AGREE WITH ZACH. WE GOT TO DO THE WHOLE THING. IN FACT, IT'S STILL CONCERNS ME THAT THIS PORTION OF THE MAP UP HERE FROM HIGHLANDS LOOP ROAD UP TO THESE NEWER SUBDIVISIONS WAS NEVER DONE. SO IT'S PARTIALLY DONE ON SOME OF IT. YEAH. WE DO HAVE AN APPLICATION IN FOR THE PROPERTIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH WOULD. YEAH, I

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YEAH. I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS DONE. YOU SAY WE HAVEN'T BEEN EARNING INTEREST AS FAST AS COSTS HAVE BEEN GOING UP. WEIRD HOW THAT HAPPENS, BUT I GET IT. I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE ROADS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WE DIDN'T WANT TO DEVELOP GROWING PAINS FROM A FARM COMMUNITY TO A PROVINCE. OKAY. SO DO WE DO YOU WANT TO DO WE GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE JUST TO SEE BECAUSE. BUT DO WE HAVE TO HAVE TO AGREE? WE HAVE TO AGREE ON ALL OF THEM TO FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD, FOR THEM TO DEVELOP DISCUSSION. WE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION ON THE A R ONE. I THINK A IS GOOD TO GO. THOSE ARE THE TWO QUESTIONS. SO IF THE IF THE ANSWER IS WE WANT A FULL WIDTH ROAD AND R 112 IS GOOD, THAT GIVES US ENOUGH TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SECURE THAT ROAD. OKAY THEN DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS OR EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH R 112? IF IT WERE ME, I'D PROBABLY JUST DO. WE ARE THERE FOR THE ONES TO HAVE TO WORK ON THE THINGS THAT ADJOINING NEIGHBORS HAVE ASKED. OKAY, OKAY. AND ARE THERE FOR YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO PROCEED ON THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE RC, LIKE IN SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT OR SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY PRODUCTIVE WITH WITH IT WITH A STRICT R ONE, SOMETHING WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO A DOUBLE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WE CAN. RIGHT. BUT WE DON'T USUALLY SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND THERE'S OTHER TYPES OF AGREEMENTS THAT WE COULD ENTER. IF THE DEVELOPERS ARE WILLING, WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN THAT CAN RUN CONCURRENTLY WITH R 112. YOU'RE RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER WHITLOCK WE NORMALLY DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, DENSITY BY UPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S MORE OF A PC OR PRD ZONES AS A STRAIGHT R 112 ZONE SHOULD STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS. BUT THIS HAS ENOUGH ASSOCIATED ELEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH THAT. IF IT GIVES THE COUNCIL COMFORT, THE DEVELOPER COMFORT, WE CAN WE CAN WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT. WHAT ARE THE AGREEMENTS THE WEST BE WITH THE BOWLERS AND NOT WITH THE DEVELOPER? WELL, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO DO THE EAST SIDE, BUT THE WEST SIDE, HOW DOES THAT WORK? THEY'RE REALLY ALL LANDOWNER ISSUES, RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT DON'T REALLY INVOLVE THE CITY. IT'S BETWEEN THE THE BOWLERS ON THE ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE. AND THEY'VE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS AS TO WHAT THEY WANT. AND THAT'S GREAT THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT THEMSELVES, RIGHT. BETWEEN THE LANDOWNERS, THE THE THING TO BE CAREFUL OF HERE IS A CITY IS, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE ZONE. THEY'RE UNLESS WE IDENTIFY VERY SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT ARE NOT RESOLVED BY THE CITY CODE, THEN WE REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. STATE LAW IS CLEAR. THOSE ARE THE MAIN REASONS RIGHT. REQUIRED BY THE ZONING REQUIRED TO FILL IN HOLES. IT MAY END UP BEING OTHER SPECIALIZED AGREEMENTS. IF EVEN IF THERE'S IF THERE'S FILLING IN THE HOLES. BUT THIS IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE THE CITY SHOULD GET INVOLVED IN WORKING OUT DEALS BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERS. IT SHOULD BE AS PROPERTY THEMSELVES, WHAT THE CITY SHOULD DESIRE, THOUGH, IS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU MAKE POLICY DECISIONS AS A COUNCIL, TO HAVE A FULL WIDTH ROW, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S OUR NORMAL CODE.

YOU'RE NOT CHOOSING TO THE OPTION OF A HALFWAY THROW. IT'S UP TO THOSE LANDOWNERS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT FULL WIDTH, HOW THEY NEGOTIATE PRICE, AND HOW THEY GET TO THE ULTIMATE DEDICATION THAT WE NEED AS A CITY IS UP TO THEM. IT'S REALLY NOT UP TO US. CAN WE CAN FACILITATE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. WE CAN FACILITATE THE DISCUSSIONS, WHICH SCOTT LANGFORD DID A GREAT JOB OF BRINGING DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO THE TABLE AND TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. BUT ULTIMATELY, WE'RE NOT A PARTY TO THOSE FINAL AGREEMENTS, RIGHT? THAT'S BETWEEN THE PROPERTY IS HOW THEY CHOOSE TO HOW THEY CHOOSE TO BUY LAND AND, AND BRING THE PROPERTY THAT THE CITY NEEDS ULTIMATELY FOR THE DEDICATION.

HOW THEY CHOOSE TO BRING THAT TO THE TABLE IS UP TO THEM. WE'RE NUMBER ONE FACILITATOR.

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THAT'S HOW CITIES GET INTO TROUBLE IS IF THEY THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE GOT THE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE SOMETHING THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHEN THE OTHER SIDE DOESN'T WANT IT, ISN'T ASKING FOR IT OR ISN'T NEGOTIATING. SO WHAT'S THE MECHANISM TO DO THAT? THAT'S NOT DEVELOPMENT. AND DOES THAT IN THAT SENTENCE IS SPECIFY THE DESIRES OF THE RESIDENTS AS REPRESENTED BY. WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE TWO MAIN THINGS, OR THE ONE MAIN THING YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS A REASON, RIGHT? AND THAT'S NOT AN AGREEMENT. IT'S JUST AN ORDINANCE. THE OTHER THING THOUGH, COULD BE. AGREEMENTS BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE SEE AS A CITY. AND THEN WE SAY, YES, IF YOU DID THAT, THAT WOULD WORK. IN MY MIND, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO LIKE. FOR AN HOA, WE DON'T ENFORCE CARS, BUT WE DO A LOT OF TIMES REVIEW THEM BEFORE SUBDIVISION IS APPROVED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH CITY CODE. RIGHT. OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S WE DON'T REALLY CARE, BUT WE'RE REVIEWING SOMETIMES JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING IN CONFLICT WITH CITY CODE ORDINANCE. I THINK THE SAME THING EXISTS HERE. IF THE PARTIES HAVE NEGOTIATED SOMETHING, WHICH AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THEY COMPLETE THEIR NEGOTIATIONS AND WE END UP WITH THE MINIMUM ROAD WIDTH THAT WE NEED AND THE MINIMUM FENCE HEIGHTS AND SO FORTH, HOW THEY GET THERE, LIKE I SAY, DOESN'T MATTER TO US. BUT IF WE REVIEW IT AND IT MEETS ALL CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE GOOD TO GO. SO I THINK TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, WE'RE ALSO KIND OF A REVIEW AUTHORITY, RIGHT? AND AS COUNCILMEMBER JACOB SAID, THAT'S YOUR STAFF. ASSUMING YOU'VE APPROVED THE REZONING. SO IT'S MORE REVIEWING AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE LANDOWNERS. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE CITY MIGHT NEED AN AGREEMENT TO FACILITATE OR COMPLETE SOMETHING. IT'S NOT CLEAR AT THIS TIME IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF IT IS, OR IF IT COMES UP. RIGHT. BUT I THINK THE PREFERRED METHOD IS TO STAY OUT OF THE WAY, SO TO SPEAK, WITH THE CITY BEING A PARTY TO ANY AGREEMENT UNLESS IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, I SEE. THANKS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, DUNCAN. ON A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK MENTIONED THAT THE HOA BROUGHT UP IN THAT MEETING, THAT CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THE DEVELOPER, A LOT OF THESE. DETAILS WOULD NORMALLY KIND OF FIGURE INTO THE SUBDIVISION DISCUSSION AS OPPOSED TO THE ZONING DISCUSSION. THAT'S RIGHT. ESPECIALLY WHERE THIS IS A EUCLIDEAN ZONE AS OPPOSED TO.

AND THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE JUST DECIDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ACCORDING TO THE CITY CODE. I ALMOST HESITATE TO ASK THIS QUESTION. CAN WE CLAW THAT BACK FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THIS CASE AND SAY, WE WANT THAT SUBDIVISION PLAT TO COME TO THE COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN. TWEAK IT OR WITHHOLD OR WITHHOLD APPROVAL IF WE WANTED SOMETHING TO BE DIFFERENT, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY ASK FOR SOMETHING TO COME BACK TO COMMITTEE BEFORE IT GOES TO COMMITTEE. THE WHOLE. BUT YEAH, TWO ISSUES AT STAKE. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. ONE ISSUE WAS ONE OF THE CURRENT STATUS OF WHAT I USED, DEVELOPMENT MANAGEMENT ACT. AND THE SECOND ONE IS YOUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT HERE, WHERE YOU'VE GOT A COMPLETE SEPARATION OF POWERS BETWEEN THE LEGISLATIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVE AND THE LEGISLATURE IS EVEN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF SESSIONS, MADE MORE OF A CHANGE THAT WAY, WHERE YOU'RE NO LONGER EVEN ABLE TO BE AS A CITY COUNCIL, THE APPEAL AUTHORITY FOR FOR FEES, FOR DEVELOPMENT FEES. AND SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND REALLY YOUR YOUR ROLE, YOUR HAT IN THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS TO MAKE THE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF CARRY OUT THE RULES. AND SUBDIVISION PLATS ARE PURELY AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION. IT'S IT'S, IT'S HARD TO TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION BECAUSE WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT ZONES, BECAUSE WE'RE USED TO WITH SOME OF THESE SPECIALIZED ZONES WHERE ALL THE RULES ARE NOT FLESHED OUT. AND IT ENVISIONS A DEVELOPMENT

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BUT WE DID DECIDE THAT WE HAVE FOUR MORE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED. TAYLOR, IF THAT'S HELPFUL. TWO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT DISCUSSION TOPIC,

[b. Discussion of a Proposed Rezone for Senna Hills (7800 S), Adding the Interchange Overlay Zone (IOZ)]

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LIKE THERE'S TWO HOUSES. I KNOW I DIDN'T HEAR THAT CONCERN. I JUST HEARD VISIBILITY CONCERN.

SO WELL, SO, SO I GUESS IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD SEE INTO THE PARK WOULD BE FROM THE HIGHWAY. IF THEY ADD UP THE WALLS, THAT JUST FURTHER RESTRICTS THE VISIBILITY OF THE PARK. SO NON PREFERRED ACTIVITIES TEND TO HAPPEN WHERE THERE'S NOT GOOD PUBLIC VISIBILITY OR ACCESS. AND SO POINT IS ONLY BROUGHT IN BY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. HIS POINT ONLY ADDS ON TO OUR CONCERN. BECAUSE THAT WOULD JUST BE A BREEDING GROUND FOR THINGS WE DON'T WANT. CAN IT BE THOUGH THAT CORNER OF THE PROPERTY IS JUST I THINK WE'RE FINE WITH THE PARK BEING THERE. WE'RE JUST SAYING WE WOULD LIKE.

LOTS TO BE PUBLIC. SO THERE'S VISIBILITY FROM THE SOUTH. I SEE, I SEE. PEOPLE COULD MAKE OUT LOCATIONS THERE. WHICH WOULD PUT THAT AWAY FOR LATER. YEAH. OTHER PLANS RIGHT NOW FOR THE WEST SIDE WE HAVE THAT DEVELOPED YET. NO. OKAY. SO HAS ANYBODY PUT IN DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT YET. THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARK. SO WE HAVE SEEN VARIOUS CONCEPT PLANS. HAVE YOU SEEN HOUSES PUT NEXT TO THAT OR PARKING LOTS FOR FOR CONDOS. AND THE LATEST THAT WE'VE SEEN THE LATEST CONCEPT. I'M JUST WONDERING IF WHEN WE DEVELOP THAT, WILL THERE BE AN OUT INTO THAT AREA? THERE'S A DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE TWO. IT'S LIKE A CLIFF. OKAY. SO CARS CAN FALL OVER. SO THE PART OF THE THE TOWNHOMES WILL LOOK OVER THE PARK. MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TO PUT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE. THE CARS CAN'T JUMP OVER IT. TAYLOR IS THIS IS THIS CURRENTLY IN OUR I. OH Z IS IT ONE OF THE ALPHABETS? IT IS. THIS IS AS THE AREA LOCATION B OKAY. YEAH.

AND I THINK I TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT IT'S WHAT THAT CALLS FOR IS FOR HOSPITAL MEDICAL OFFICES AND COMMERCIAL COSTCOS AND COSTCO. AND THEN IT SAYS FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL WEST OF THAT CORRIDOR. SO WE HAVE THE HOSPITAL GOING IN WITH COMMERCIAL. SO WE MEET THAT PART OF IT AS WE GET TOWARDS THE NORTHERN PART OF THE TRIANGLE. THAT'S WHERE THE ADDITIONAL HOUSING COMES IN. AS PART OF THAT IS THE B DESIGNATION. EXTRA PARKING. THEY HAVE THEIR. BUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE NECESSARILY CALCULATED THE PARKING FOR THIS. WE WANTED TO GET THE UNIT COUNT AND DENSITY AND LAYOUT OKAY WITH YOU. AND THEN WE'LL START A FULL REVIEW ON HOW MANY ARCS ARE THERE. GREG MIGHT BE BETTER POISED TO TELL HOW MANY YEARS.

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THEY'RE ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE NEXT TO. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP AND SHOW US? IT SAYS RIGHT HERE WON'T WORK. SPEAKING OF ERCS, JUST REALLY QUICK, CAN YOU TAKE US BACK IRC FOR WATER? IS THAT THE STATE DEFINITION OF 0.74? WHATEVER ACRE PER ONE DO YOU WANT TO THE US RIGHT NOW THE STATE DEFINITION IS I DON'T. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE GOT SOME STUFF THAT'S A LITTLE WRONG, RIGHT? IT'S 0.57 OR 0.53 PER YEAR FOR AN ACRE FOOT. THREE ACRE FEET PER THE ACTUAL USE IS A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT STATE REQUIRES A SAFETY FACTOR SO THAT DUE TO CHANGING CONDITIONS, WE DON'T. WE'RE STILL ABLE TO PROVIDE A LOAD. WHAT IS THE DEFINITION DELINEATING LINE OF WHERE THE COMMERCIAL AND THE. WHERE THE HOSPITAL. SO THAT'S NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE ANY REAL CONNECTIONS THERE. I WOULD GET UP TO 6400. OKAY. AND THAT'S FOR SOURCE, RIGHT? REMEMBER FOR STORAGE, IT'S 650 GALLONS PER DAY FOR ANY. OR YOU AND FOR PEAK, PEAK SOURCE, IT'S LIKE 764 PER YEAR. AND THEN WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP, WHEN I SEE THE FAR CORNER, THE TOP, THE GREEN SPACE, IS THAT A DETENTION RETENTION POND? OKAY. AND THEN THE LITTLE CIRCLES, WHAT ARE THE CIRCLES? I'M ASSUMING THE BLUE RECTANGLE IS A POOL AND A CLUBHOUSE. YES IT IS. WHAT'S THE CIRCLE OF TRAMPOLINE? THAT'S A LOT. A WHAT? A PLAYGROUND POT? LOTS.

YES. YOU NEED TO HAVE MORE THAN A TOT LOT. KIDS GET BIGGER AND THAT TWO FOOT SLIDE ISN'T VERY APPEALING. I THINK IS A TERM THAT'S USED GENERALLY FOR PLAYGROUNDS AND SMALL ONES TO THE BIGGER ONES. BUT YES, IT'LL BE A PLAYGROUND. THAT'S WHY WE GOT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS IN THE PARKS. IT'S GOOD TO KNOW. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. TAYLOR. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE OF THEM BE A LARGER PLAYGROUND. OKAY. BECAUSE I JUST, I, THEY GROW OUT OF. A LOT, A LOT. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, IF WE DON'T HAVE, IF IN A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS, YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING FOR THEM, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO OVER AND DESTROY YOUR OTHER PARK. CHANCES ARE HIGH. BENCHES WITH SHADE BENCHES. SO THEY'RE SCREAMS. YEAH. CHARGING STATION. YEAH. THERE'S A LOT I THINK WE NEED TO. I MEAN, SPEAKING OF THE PARKS, SORRY, I WAS NOT QUITE GET A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REDEFINE THOSE IN OUR CODE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE THIS AT DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL TYPES HAVE DIFFERENT IRC FACTORS. WHEREAS LIKE WE'RE COUNTING THE SAME IRC FOR A ONE BEDROOM CONDO AS WE ARE A FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE, RIGHT? AND A ONE BEDROOM CONDO. YEAH, YOU CAN GET SEVEN OF

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AND ALL OF THOSE TOWNHOMES WOULD HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES WITH 22 FOOT DRIVEWAYS. AND THEN THERE'S STREET PARKING BECAUSE THEY'RE PUBLIC ROADS. SO REQUIRED GUEST PARKING WOULD BE FOR THOSE 100 CONDO UNITS AND IT'S ONE FOR FOUR. AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THOSE 25.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I LIKE THE ALLEY TOWNHOMES BETTER, BECAUSE THEY GET FREE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE UNITS. WHEREAS WHEN IT'S DRIVEWAY NEXT TO DRIVEWAY, NEXT DRIVEWAY, IT'S LIKE, LOOK AT THE SECOND PICTURE DOWN ON THE LEFT THERE WITH THE TOWNHOMES, ALL THE DRIVEWAYS. THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK ON THE STREET, RIGHT? YOU COULD BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD, BUT YOU'RE BLOCKING THE DRIVEWAY NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE. SO I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S GOING TO BE PLACES SOMEWHERE ON THE END UNIT OR AROUND THE CORNER OR WHATEVER WHERE YOU CAN PARK ON THE STREET. BUT YEAH, YOU'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF STREET PARKING. THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE PRIVATE ROADS BETTER, BECAUSE YOU CAN GET THOSE PERPENDICULAR SPOTS IN A LOT OF THOSE PLACES. OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, DENSITY WISE, I THINK WHAT ARE YOUR QUESTIONS? I THINK DENSITY WISE YOU'RE LOOKING TO FIND IT'S JUST CAN WE APPLY THE IOCO? THAT'S AN EASY QUESTION. AND WE ARE GETTING TO THE REALITY IS THIS PARCEL WAS. QUESTIONS ARE A.

ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH DENSITY COUNT LAYOUT AND THEN THE PARK. AND THEN ONE OTHER CONCERN THAT DOES COME FROM MEMBERS OF OUR ENGINEERING TEAM. THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN WORK THROUGH AS WE GET INTO THE PLANNING OF IT. BUT JUST CONCERNS WITH THIS CUL DE SAC, IF IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO HAVE THIS ROAD INSTEAD OF ACCESS HERE, ACCESS LIKE THIS, AND HAVE THE CUL DE SAC HERE. SO THERE'S NO INTERSECTION HERE INTERFERING WITH THAT POTENTIAL BREAK IN THE FUTURE. WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE DESIGN TO KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM OR NOT, BUT WE KNOW IT WILL BE TRAFFIC. YEAH. BUT THE CONCERN IS IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT AFFECTING THE LANDING OF THIS BRIDGE. SO AN OPTION MIGHT BE TO TURN THIS CUL DE SAC AROUND. WE JUST WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE GET ENGINEERING OF IT. BUT THAT IS CONCERNED THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS MENTIONED TO VISIBILITY ON THE PARK THING. WELL THE PARK MIGHT GO AWAY. I MEAN, YOU TURN THE CUL DE SAC AROUND, YOU PUT THE ACCESS TO IT, YOU COME IN LIKE THIS COMING OFF OF THAT SLOPE, DOWN INTO THAT CUL DE SAC. I MEAN, THAT MAKES I MEAN,

[00:50:01]

SOMETHING. YES, STAFF IS RIGHT. IT'S SECLUDED. HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT PARK? ITSELF? LIKE THAT? ACRES. PRETTY DECENT SIZE. AND IT WOULD BE A PRETTY DECENT SIZED BACKYARD. YEAH, YEAH, IT IS A HARD PIECE. THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A GOOD JOB AS WELL AS PLACING THE DENSITY UP BY THE HOSPITAL AND TRYING TO TRANSITION TO MORE SINGLE FAMILY, TWO FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU'RE NOT SEEING MULTI-FAMILY HOMES IN THAT LOCATION, IS TRYING TO RESPOND TO THOSE EXISTING RESIDENTS, BECAUSE IT'S STILL YEAH, I MEAN, NORTH OF 74TH AREN'T ANY EXISTING. AND THAT'S WHAT I WENT TO. AND FOR A BLOCK.

SO EXISTING RESIDENTS, BECAUSE THERE'S THE PARK. IT'S A LITTLE DENSER THAN I'D LIKE. BUT I WAS ACTUALLY, I SUGGESTED WHEN I MET WITH THEM, I'D LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. SO SINGLE FAMILY FACING SINGLE FAMILY CLUBHOUSE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY, JUST TO HAVE ONE MORE ROW OF BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE TRIANGLE. YEAH. SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? DID YOU HEAR IT? YES. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND SUGGESTIONS. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. DO WE WANT TO ASK THEM HOW THEY HOW FEASIBLE THESE ARE? AND THEY'RE TAKEAWAYS ON WHAT THEY'RE HEARING. I HAVE A QUESTION. COME ON. BRANDON WATSON WITH EDGE HOMES. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. ARE YOU GUYS DOING THE HARBOR SIDE TOO. NO WE'RE NOT. YEAH WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WE'VE WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM A LOT OVER THE LAST LITTLE WHILE. JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CROSS CONNECTIVITY FROM UTILITIES AND, AND DIFFERENT USES. SO TO, TO THE POINT OF THE PARK, I SUPPOSE. RIGHT NEXT, THE LAST CONCEPT PLAN. AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A CONCEPT PLAN, SO SUBJECT TO CHANGE. AND AS THEY EVOLVE THEIR PLAN, IT WILL CHANGE. BUT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE SOME CONDOS THAT ARE PLANNED UP NEXT TO THAT, AS WELL AS A LARGE OPEN SPACE HILLSIDE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE SOME CONNECTIVITY AS FAR AS OPEN SPACE GOES IF THEY CONTINUE WITH THAT PLAN. BUT WE'VE HAD TO RUN, IF I MAY STAND UP HERE, WE'VE HAD TO RUN A LARGE CITY MASTER PLAN, SEWER LINE AND STORM DRAIN LINE ALONG HERE.

IT'S CURRENTLY AT. BOTH OF THEM ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, SO BEING ABLE TO DROP A CUL DE SAC FROM THIS DIRECTION, WE'RE JUST SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THERE'S ABOUT 30 OR 40FT OF VERTICAL FALL FROM THIS PROPERTY LINE TO THE PROPERTY LINE UP AGAINST UDOT. SO DROPPING ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN THAT WAY IS REALLY DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE FROM HERE TO GET UP AND OVER THOSE UTILITIES AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO DROP DOWN INTO INTO THIS AREA. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUR INTERSECTION COMING UP THIS WAY. PLUS WE'RE, WE'RE CAPPED AT A CUL DE SAC LENGTH BY CODE OF, I THINK IT'S 500 OR 750FT, I CAN'T REMEMBER. AND SO YEAH, I'D LOVE FOR THIS CUL DE SAC TO GET EXTENDED ALL THE WAY OUT INTO THE PARK. IT WOULD MAKE FOR A MUCH BETTER PARKING LOT. BUT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, CAPPED BY CODE ON, ON, ON A LINK THERE WITH THAT. SO DID YOU HEAR ANY SUGGESTION OF MOVING THE CLUBHOUSE TO THE TRIANGLE? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS.

[00:55:02]

YEAH. AND THEN MOVE MULTIFAMILY IN THE CLUBHOUSE DOWN INTO THE CORNER. PUT YOUR SIGNATURE PARK KIND OF SOMEWHERE OVER BY WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE IS. LET ME SEE WHAT I'M SAYING. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN 30, I GUESS MORE THAN 30 HOUSING UNITS OFF OF THE SINGLE ACCESS. YOU CAN'T DO THAT CHALLENGING THAT WAY. I MEAN, I DON'T MIND HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW. TRULY THE CLUBHOUSE IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. I WILL SAY JUST AGAIN PUTTING MY ENGINEERING HAT ON HERE. SO I KNOW THERE'S OTHER NERDS IN THE THING HERE THAT CAN NERD OUT WITH WHAT WE DID STRATEGICALLY PLACE THE UNITS WHERE THEY'RE AT. BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TOPO THAT'S ON THIS SITE, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE WALKOUT UNITS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF SLOPE SO WE CAN MAKE UP A LOT OF THAT IN IN THE HOME FOUNDATIONS. AND THEN WE'RE PUTTING STRATEGICALLY PUTTING OUR DRIVE UNDER PRODUCT, WHICH IS THIS TO WHERE IT'S KIND OF BUILT INTO THE HILLSIDE SO THAT THE USES IN BETWEEN THESE, THESE OPEN SPACE CORRIDORS THAT ARE BETWEEN ALL OF THOSE WILL BE A LOT FLATTER AND A LOT MORE USABLE THAN PERHAPS FLOPPING THAT AND DOING ALLEY LOAD WHERE YOU CAN'T MAKE UP AS MUCH GRADE IN THE FOUNDATION AND YOU'VE GOT A LOT MORE SLOPE IN BETWEEN. SO WE'RE JUST STRATEGICALLY PLACING ALL OF THESE UNITS WHERE, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE FROM A 3D STANDPOINT. I KNOW IT'S HARD TO VISUALIZE FROM A 2D PIECE OF PAPER, BUT EVEN THESE CONDO UNITS, WE PUT THOSE STRATEGICALLY WHERE THEY'RE AT GARDEN LEVEL UNITS, THEY'RE 12 PLEXES, SO WE CAN ADD AN ADDITIONAL COUPLE OF UNITS ON THE BOTTOM OF IT TO ALMOST CREATE A WALKOUT. AND SO THOSE ARE STRATEGICALLY PLACED THERE. THESE ARE STRATEGICALLY PLACED THERE AGAIN JUST TO TRY TO CREATE A LOT MORE FLAT, MUCH MORE USABLE OPEN SPACE EDGES.

PLAN TO SELL ANY OF THESE FOR TO A CORPORATION FOR RENT OR FOR INDIVIDUAL PURCHASE. WE DO ALL FOR SALE. YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. SO WE DO ALL FOR SALE PRODUCT. WE DON'T DO ANY FOR RENT. WE DON'T RETAIN ANY OF THESE UNITS OURSELVES. AND SO YEAH, SO WE, WE SELL THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO SOME RENTAL. YOU'RE TALKING TO THE END USER RIGHT NOW. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THIS IS US AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO. THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE INCEPTION OF EDGE HOMES.

YEAH. AND, AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING. I APPRECIATE TAYLOR'S CLARIFICATION ON THAT. ALL OF THE TOWNHOMES WILL HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES AND 22 FOOT DRIVEWAYS.

SO YOU CAN PARK FOUR VEHICLES IN THERE. AND THEN THE CONDOMINIUMS, THEY ACTUALLY ON THE BACKSIDE OF THIS THERE, YOU WON'T SEE THE BOTTOM UNITS. THEY'RE A SINGLE CAR GARAGE WITH A 22 FOOT DRIVEWAY AS WELL. AND THEN ALL OF THE, THE PARKING LOTS AGAIN, COMING OFF OF PUBLIC STREET. I CAN'T, I CAN'T DO WHAT I'M DOING HERE, WHICH IS ADDING PERPENDICULAR PARKING STALLS. SO I HAVE TO CREATE THESE PARKING LOTS. BUT THOSE ARE ALL SIZED APPROPRIATELY FOR THE ADDITIONAL PARKING. GUEST PARKING NEEDED FOR THE CONDO UNITS. STACKED UNITS. SO FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE VERY WELL PARKED. I KNOW

[01:00:08]

OH, SHOULD AVOID THE LITTLE ALLEY ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK. LONGER, LONGER ROAD, BUT FEWER HOMES, I ASSUME ON HOMES, JUST LONGER HOMES. THE LONGER JUST MOVING THAT AND THE LITTLE CIRCLE PART JUST PUSHING IT THROUGH. YEAH, YEAH, I LIKE THAT. SEEMS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM BETTER. I LIKE THAT BETTER. YEAH. INSTEAD OF JUST FENCES. YES. SO THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP, STAFF. I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. STAFF. YEAH. WE HAVE FOUR.

WE HAVE FOUR. YES. YEAH. OKAY. AND IS THE COUNCIL. OH. SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. OKAY. OKAY. SO SO YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE DENSITY AND THE UNIT COUNT. YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT LAYOUT I CAN TAKE AND THE PARK VISIBILITY YOU'RE SOLVING BY STRETCHING THAT ROAD AND DOING THE CUL DE SAC FURTHER INTO THE PARK. YES. I AM NOT OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. IT'S JUST JUST ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY. OUR NEXT DISCUSSION IS

[c. Continued Discussion of Station Area Plan for Jordan Valley Station and Sugar Factory Road]

AND THEN IF THERE IS ANY FEEDBACK OF CHANGES WE WANT AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, I'M NOT GOING TO BE OFFENDED, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I BRING ON THE 22ND, SOMETHING THE COUNCIL CAN SUPPORT SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET THIS ADOPTED WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK FOR SOME SORT OF EXCEPTION FROM THE STATE. SOUNDS GOOD. SO CHANGES. SINCE THE LAST TIME WE REVIEWED THIS, WE DID REMOVE THOSE 3D RENDERINGS AND REPLACE THOSE AS THE COUNCIL'S RECOMMENDATION WITH KIND OF A TOP DOWN 2D, WHICH SHOWED THE THE PROPOSALS ON THE CURRENT BUILT ENVIRONMENT. WE ARE ON THE SUGAR FACTORY, ROAD TRANSPORTATION IN PARTICULAR NOT SHOWING ANY NEW HOUSING. SOUTH TRACKS LINE AND THE ONLY NEW HOUSING IN THAT TRACK STATION IS BEING SHOWN WITHIN THE EXISTING UTA PARKING LOT. BESIDES THAT, WE DIDN'T MAKE

[01:05:02]

AND OH, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. HOW FAR IS THAT OFF THE STREET WHERE I ASSUME YOU CAN ALSO PEDESTRIAN CROSS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT FAR, BUT SO FOR THIS STATION, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU GET OFF THE TRAIN, YOU HAVE. YOU CAN'T. YOU HAVE TO GO OUT HERE AND THEN OUT AND AROUND. AND SO IT MIGHT ADD A COUPLE MINUTES WALKING. WHAT WE SEE WITH PEOPLE RIDING TRANSIT IS, YOU KNOW, ANY ACCESS BARRIERS, JUST ANOTHER REASON NOT TO TAKE TRANSIT IS ALREADY A LITTLE BIT SLOWER THAN DRIVING ANYWAYS. FARE INCREASES MORE EXPENSIVE SOON. AND SO IF YOU'RE ABLE TO GET OFF THE TRAIN RIGHT HERE AND WALK STRAIGHT ACROSS, OTHER THAN ALL THE WAY AROUND, THAT WOULD BE YOU WALK OUT OF THE TRAIN STATION IS THE ORANGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. IS THAT A DEVELOPMENT OF SOME. NO, IT'S IT'S PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

THERE'S A BIG FENCE THERE RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A BIG FENCE THERE. SO IT'S WHAT THIS WOULD CALL FOR. LIKE THE WALL COMES TO ABOUT RIGHT HERE CURRENTLY MAYBE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. SO IT WOULD JUST BE I THINK THERE'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE RIGHT THERE. AND IT WOULD JUST BE GETTING RID OF THAT CHAIN LINK FENCE, BEING ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH SIDES OF THE PLATFORM. IT SEEMS SILLY, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY USE THAT IS YOUR VISION. THEY JUST CROSSED THE STREET OR THEY GO UP TO THE INTERSECTION ACROSS. SO WE DO SHOW EVENTUALLY THIS ROAD BEING BUILT OUT. THERE'S ALSO THE BINGHAM CREEK REGIONAL TRAIL, WHICH IS TRAIL THE SALT LAKE COUNTY IS WORKING ON. SO HAVING ACCESS TO THAT, I THINK THE RIGHT OF WAYS, WHICH ARE WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN AS WELL, SHOW TRAILS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ROAD EVENTUALLY, OR SIDEWALKS, MAYBE WIDER SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES. SO AS THIS ROAD DOES EVENTUALLY BUILD OUT, YOU HAVE CONNECTION INTO THAT SIDE. BUT THEN ONCE THEY GET ONTO THE SIDEWALK, ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GO UP TO THE INTERSECTION TO CROSS THE STREET, OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A CROSSWALK IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROAD? LIKE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THAT COMES OUT ISN'T, ISN'T A TYPICAL INTERSECTION FOR CROSSWALK. SO RIGHT HERE, WE'RE NOT SHOWING ANY CROSSING HERE. RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CURRENT WALL OR A FENCE. AND IT'S, IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, BUT IT'S NOT. RIGHT. SO THE IDEA IS IN THE FUTURE WILL BE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ROAD HERE.

OKAY. SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE ON THE SIDEWALK HERE, YOU KNOW, OR IF THEY WANT TO COME DOWN HERE TO THE INTERSECTION TO CROSS OVER HERE, THEY'LL STILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT IT'S JUST TO ALLOW PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. IT JUST MEANS INSTEAD OF ONLY GOING NORTH, NOW THEY CAN GO NORTH OR SOUTH. YEAH. IT'S NOT SAYING CROSS SOUTH AND THEN CROSS OVER THE ROAD. OPENING FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE PLATFORM. JUST. THIS IS A HARD THIS IS ONE OF THE HARDER ONES I THINK WE HAVE OF ALL OF THE ONES, BECAUSE BASICALLY EVERYTHING AROUND THERE IS DEVELOPED. ALL THOSE HOMES ALONG SUGAR FACTORY ROAD ARE DEVELOPED. THERE'S AN OLD LDS CHURCH NOW THAT'S NOW A CHARTER SCHOOL. IT'S A SCHOOL. NOW, ALL THOSE HOMES, THAT OTHER TRIANGLE, THEY'RE ALL DEVELOPED. I KNOW LAST TIME YOU GUYS SENT US THIS WONDERFUL CONCEPT OF TEARING EVERYONE'S HOME UP AND REBUILDING IT. SO THIS ONE'S HARD FOR ME BECAUSE UTA IS SAYING, MAKE THIS BETTER. THEN YOU'RE JUST LIKE, WELL, MAKING IT BETTER MEANS GETTING RID OF EVERYONE THAT'S LIVING THERE AND REDOING IT, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SIM CITY HERE ON LAND THAT'S ALREADY OWNED BY OTHER PEOPLE.

THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS DO. SO WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THE ONLY CHANGES ARE ON. NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS ASKING US TO REDEVELOP SOMETHING. THE STATE IS ASKING US TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE OF UTA, BECAUSE OF TRASH. I MEAN IT'S A VALID POINT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S THIS IS THE MOST ESTABLISHED PERCENTAGE OF OF ALREADY BUILT AND ESTABLISHED. I THINK THE POINT IS THAT IT'S ESTABLISHED. THE POINT IS THAT WE DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH WHAT'S THERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK SOMEBODY COULD ARGUE THAT THIS IS ESTABLISHED

[01:10:03]

IT'S NOT. YEAH. REDEVELOPING THIS AND PUTTING A WHOLE NEW HALF MILE RADIUS PLAN IN PLACE WOULDN'T MAKE THIS BETTER. SO WHY WHY ARE WE HAVING TO DO THIS? BUT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE SHOWS THAT WE'VE DONE SOME STUFF TO TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER. WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY WITH THIS PROPOSAL. THIS GIVES US THE ABILITY TO REDEVELOP THE UTA'S PARKING LOT, WHICH IS NOT BEING USED TO CAPITALIZE THAT AND GIVES US A LITTLE BIT BETTER ACCESS TO THE PLATFORM. SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS FANTASTIC. COUNCIL SUPPORTS AND IT GIVES A MORE WRITERS. THOSE KINDS. ALSO, THIS STATE GIVES THE STATE MORE WRITERS TO UTA OFF THEIR BACKS. SO THIS WOULD BE. AND THEN THIS IS THE OTHER STATION. AS MENTIONED, WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THIS RECOMMENDATION.

WE JUST CHANGED THE ORIENTATION AND GOT RID OF THAT 3D RENDERING, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND. DO WE NEED A CONSENSUS ON EACH ONE? OR I'M ASKING MR. ALLEN, DO WE NEED A CONSENSUS ON EACH ONE? NO, YOU CAN ADOPT. YOU CAN ADOPT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER.

IT'S PROBABLY RECOMMENDED SINCE YOU'VE GOT A DEADLINE. YEAH, ABOUT 24. I MEAN, BIG THING YOU ADDRESSED BY FEARS OF REALLY BY NEIGHBORHOOD OF ANYONE SEEING THAT OTHER THINGS I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE TEARING UP ALL OF OUR HOUSES. YEAH, THAT COULD BE WHAT MY NEIGHBORS THINK WITH THIS ONE. THEN YOU SPEAK UP THE WAY I SPOKE. NO, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK UP BECAUSE IT IT IMPACTS ME PERSONALLY. AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE I SHOULD SPEAK AGAINST IT BECAUSE. BECAUSE THERE'S A CIRCLE. IT IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE HAVE TO PRESENT THESE TO THE STATE. JUST BECAUSE WE GIVE THESE DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. YEAH. SO. ALL I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE REALISTIC. AND I THINK WE GOT THAT. I'M GOOD.

REALLY ALL WE'RE TELLING HERE IS YES. BRING THEM TO MEETING. YEAH. OKAY THEN WE'LL COME APART LATER. JUST GET WARMED UP RIGHT NOW AND LATER TODAY. IT'S FINE EITHER WAY. OKAY. YEAH. NO, I THINK WHAT FOR WHAT WE WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SUGAR ONE BEING PRETTY MUCH WE'RE PRETTY MUCH OKAY WITH THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW. SO WE DON'T FORESEE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS.

JORDAN VALLEY ONE HAS A LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. AND FORTUNATELY NOTHING NEW CROSSES BANGERTER. SO YOUR HOUSE IS SAFE. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. SO ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE STATIONARY PLAN? AS TAYLOR PRESENTED PLAN. YEAH. SO. COOL. HOW MANY AT LEAST GOING FORWARD. I'LL BRING THIS TO YOU GUYS IN TWO WEEKS. THEN WE'RE ASKING IS DO YOU WANT TO MOVE THEM FORWARD MOVING FORWARD? AND IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES. OKAY. THANK YOU TAYLOR THANK YOU. YOU DON'T WANT TO STAY FOR THE NEXT ONE. I CAN STAY AND I'M JUST GETTING

[d. Continued Discussion and Staff-Led Planning Efforts for the Southwest Quadrant (SWQ) Regarding Land Use Ratio]

THANK YOU FOR THAT BIT OF LEVITY. YOU'RE YOU'RE AWAKE NOW. OKAY. WELL DONE. SO, HEY, THERE YOU ARE. SEE IT? PATRICK. OKAY. DID YOU SEE IT? I DID SEE THAT WAS IMPRESSIVE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK COMPETITION. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS IN MORE DETAIL AS WE GO THROUGH. YEAH. YOU KEPT THE MOTIF GOING. YEAH. YEAH I WON'T TAKE I'LL GIVE TAYLOR CREDIT FOR THE MOTIF. SO WE WANT TO JUST KEEP THIS HIGH LEVEL. AND YOU'LL SEE AT THE VERY BOTTOM

[01:15:03]

SO CURRENT CITY POLICIES AND CODE, THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2023. WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, RIGHT? ALL THE DIFFERENT COLORS REPRESENT DIFFERENT LAND USES ACROSS WEST JORDAN. REAL QUICK, THE, THE PURPLE THAT IS BASICALLY OUR INDUSTRIAL AREA DOWN HERE SOUTH OF NEW BINGHAM HIGHWAY. AND THE DIFFERENT SHADES OF TAN THAT'S VARYING DENSITIES OF RESIDENTIAL. WE'VE GOT DRY CREEK AND HIGHLANDS.

THESE THESE ARE THIS COLOR IS KIND OF A MASTER PLAN. SO YOU'LL SEE TERRAIN OR WOOD RANCH. AND THEN THE. YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHY THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT BASICALLY RESIDENTIAL. ALL THERE. THIS IS THE AREA DESIGNATED ON OUR GENERAL PLAN FOR THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT IN THE GENERAL PLAN. RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A LITTLE BLURB ABOUT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VISION. THERE ARE KEY PARTS OF THE CITY THAT THE COUNCIL HIGHLIGHTED AS PART OF THIS VISION, WHICH INCLUDES JORDAN LANDING CITY CENTER ACROSS THE STREET AND SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, RIGHT. AND ALL JIMMY JUMP IN ANY TIME. BUT ANYWAY, SO POLICY GENERAL PLAN IS THE POLICY THAT DRIVES THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS. SPEAKING OF WEST JORDAN CITY CODE, WE HAVE A SECTION CALLED THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT MIXED USE ZONE. IT'S A IT'S A TOOL THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY CAN APPLY FOR THAT WILL IMPLEMENT THE VISION, THE POLICY. RIGHT. AND SO. AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE.

COUNCIL, I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT THIS IS THE PURPOSE AND INTENT STATEMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ZONE. THE ZONE DISTRICT PROVIDES A LOCATION FOR A HIGH TECHNOLOGY, INDUSTRIAL AND SECONDARY COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND MIXED DENSITY BUFFER RESIDENTIAL USES, AND THEN AGAIN, YOU YOU CAN ALL READ THIS. IS IT JUST PROVOKED TO IN ORDER IN ORDER TO ACTIVATE THE ZONE AND TO PROTECT EXISTING LAND USES AROUND THIS AREA. IT TALKS ABOUT BUFFER, RESIDENTIAL, ETC. SO ANYWAY, WHY OR HOW DID WE GET TO THESE POLICIES AND CODE? I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK YOU WERE AROUND WHEN ALL THIS WAS ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT. ANCIENT. ANCIENT YEAH. EXPERIENCE. I THINK YOU WERE TO EXPERIENCE. SO SPEAKING OF THAT, SO THE REASON WHY I CAME BACK TO WORK FOR WEST JORDAN WAS BASICALLY WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES IN WEST JORDAN. OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE MORE VANILLA. THEY'RE HEAVY ON COMMERCIAL OR HEAVY JUST ON RESIDENTIAL. WEST JORDAN, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING. YEAH, A THIRD OF OUR AGAIN, THIS IS FROM OUR GENERAL PLAN. RIGHT.

SO THESE STATS ARE LITTLE, LITTLE OLD. BUT GENERALLY THE TRENDS ARE, ARE BASICALLY THE SAME WHERE A THIRD OF THE CITY IS DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY. WE'VE GOT THE, THE MULTIFAMILY.

SO ANY TOWNHOMES ARE INCLUDED IN, IN MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME SHIFTING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH MULTIFAMILY. BUT ANYWAY, GOOD HEALTHY BALANCE.

NOW THERE ISN'T A SPECIFIC FORMULA. EVERY CITY SHOULD BE DIFFERENT, RIGHT? AND SO YOU AS POLICY MAKERS, YOU GET TO MAKE THAT DECISION. WHAT WEST JORDAN SHOULD, SHOULD BALANCE OUT TO BE A STATE. THAT'S, THAT'S OUR 2023 GENERAL PLAN. THESE ARE THE DATES, THE STATS FROM THAT, FROM OUR GENERAL PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED. AND THIS IS THE ACREAGE TOO. SO THIS IS YEAH.

SO THIS IS ACREAGE THOUGH. AND THAT'S A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL ACREAGE THAT REPRESENTS EACH CATEGORY. WE HAVE 2000 ACRES IN THE CITY. MORE NOW BECAUSE WE'VE ANNEXED PART OF,

[01:20:02]

AND SO THEY THEY OFTEN POINTED TO THIS AS, WOW, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET MORE PEOPLE WORKING IN WEST JORDAN TO HOPEFULLY REDUCE THE COMMUTER TRAFFIC. JIM HAS PROVIDED SOME UPDATED STATS. SO THE MAIN SLIDE AGAIN, IT'S IN OUR IN OUR GENERAL PLAN. BUT AS A 2019 STATS, I THINK IT'S BETTER. WE'VE RAISED A WHOLE POINT TWO. SO YEAH JIM FOUND THIS AND AND YEAH, THIS IS 2023, WHICH IS THE LATEST CENSUS INFORMATION. SO WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU INFORMATION. SO GENERALLY YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS PRETTY CLOSE. BUT IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A 10% GROWTH RATE FROM 6100 PEOPLE TO 6700 PEOPLE. SO WE'RE GENERALLY SEEING THERE'S WELL, THE RATE IS ABOUT THE SAME. WE'RE GROWING RIGHT WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF ROADS GOING EAST AND WEST. SO THERE'S, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE IF WE CAN INCREASE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR LIVING HERE IN THE WEST, LIVING AND WORKING. WE JUST GOT TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE 29,000 JOBS THAT OTHER PEOPLE WHO COMMUTE TO WEST JORDAN AND GET THOSE FOR OUR DISCRIMINATORY. YEAH. RIGHT. I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT SCOTT AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT. IF WE COULD SOMEHOW. MAYOR TRIES TO RECRUIT THEM TO MOVE HERE, THOUGH, THERE'S LOW HANGING FRUIT. I KNOW, I KNOW, LIKE PEOPLE LIKE YES, HE'S TRYING HARD. SPEAKING OF LABOR FORCE, JIM, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THESE? YEAH.

FOR SURE. SO GENERALLY WHEN WE HAVE GROUPS LOOKING AT OUR CITY, THEY ASK THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, TEN MILE WORKFORCE AVAILABILITY. AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT ANOTHER SLIDE HERE IN A 20 MILE WORKFORCE AVAILABILITY. THIS IS GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT 30 MINUTE DRIVE. THIS ACTUALLY COMPARES REALLY, REALLY WELL. YOU CAN PUT US WITH THE INLAND PORTS, NORTHWEST QUADRANT.

WE'RE ACTUALLY BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO WORKFORCE. A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE POINT. SO IF WE WERE TO LIKE GO AND PUT THIS AT THE POINT OF THE MOUNTAIN, WE'RE ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORKFORCE, WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING. SO WE IN OURSELVES, WE, WE PUNCH ABOVE OUR WEIGHT. LIKE PEOPLE IDEALLY WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITHIN, YOU KNOW, JUST WALK TO WORK EVERY DAY, RIGHT? LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN THE SAME PLACE. BUT WE RIGHT NOW WITH THIS WORKFORCE AVAILABILITY, WE'RE, WE'RE A VERY VIABLE COMMUNITY TO HAVE FOR INDUSTRIAL AND TO HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES HERE. SO AS WE MET WITH THE COUNCIL LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE PROVIDED A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU JUST SAW. RIGHT. AND, AND BASED ON THAT, YOU, YOU GAVE US SOME GOOD FEEDBACK AND TURN IT OVER TO YOU. YEAH. SO AS WE MET WITH EIGHT ELECTED OFFICIALS, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, ON THIS, TO FIND OUT WHAT YOUR PREFERRED RATIOS WERE FROM NONRESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, IT BECAME CLEAR TO US THAT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT MOST OF YOU DID NOT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO IDENTIFY A DENSITY PER ACRE, THAT WE SHOULD SPLIT THIS UP AS FAR AS HOW WE ATTACK THIS PLANNING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS NONRESIDENTIAL RATIO OF THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. SO SO AS WE DID INTERVIEW EACH EACH OF YOU, AND WE AVERAGE ALL OF THOSE RATIOS THAT YOU GUYS GAVE US. IT COMES UP TO, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS DOWN HERE IN THE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, 22.5% RESIDENTIAL AND 77.5% NONRESIDENTIAL. THAT'S THE AVERAGE OF ALL EIGHT ELECTED OFFICIALS. YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP LINE. WE ALREADY HAVE APPROVALS FOR THE WASATCH ELECTRIC AREA, JONES LANDING NORTH. THAT'S ABOUT 108 ACRES, 82 ACRES OF THAT IS NONRESIDENTIAL. SO YOU'VE GOT RIGHT THERE IN JUST THAT 108 ACRES OF 8119 SPLIT. SO WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE REMAINING SOUTHWEST QUADRANT.

ACREAGE IS JUST UNDER 900 ACRES, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO TO MAKE SURE TO IDENTIFY A RATIO FOR THE OVERALL, JUST THE WHOLE, JUST ABOUT A THOUSAND ACRES. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE

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INSTEAD OF HAVING THE COUNCIL HAVE TO EAT THE WHOLE ELEPHANT IN ONE BITE, BREAK IT UP BY BITE, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO JUST SETTLE IT IN ONE MEETING. WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WANT TO TRY TO BREAK THIS UP AND AND SEE IF WE CAN GET TO WHERE THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE IS COMFORTABLE. THE PERCENTAGE OF ACREAGE THAT MIKE JONES OWNS VERSUS OTHERS. I DON'T THE DEVELOPERS ARE HERE, BY THE WAY. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER.

THEY MAY BE THE BEST ONES TO ANSWER THOSE. SO. WE HAVE MET WITH THEM. WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME TOPOGRAPHICAL CONSTRAINTS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS HAVING TO DEAL WITH AS FAR AS USES GO RESIDENTIAL TO NONRESIDENTIAL. AGAIN, THEY'RE HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THEM. SO THE MAIN, MAIN THING WE'RE WE NEED CONFIRMATION FROM THE COUNCIL TODAY IS, IS, IS THAT RATIO. YOU KNOW, WE NEED WE NEED A RATIO. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. SO. BECAUSE THE TOPOGRAPHICAL CONCERNS, WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST PRESUME SPECIFIC AREAS AT THIS DATE. WE WANTED TO WORK IN CONCERT WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THAT RATIO OF RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY TO, TO WORK AROUND THE GRADING AND SO FORTH. AND THIS, THIS LITTLE STEP RIGHT HERE, IF YOU WERE TO READ OUR, OUR CODE RIGHT NOW, IT DOESN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT AN AREA, BUT IF YOU WERE TO READ OUR, OUR, OUR CODE RIGHT NOW, IT TALKS ABOUT REZONING THE ENTIRE THOUSAND ACRES TO, TO THIS ZONING DISTRICT, SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, MIXED USE ZONE,

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YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT VARIABLES. AND SO TO JUST COME IN AND JUST IN ONE FELL SWOOP, REZONE THE ENTIRE THOUSAND ACRES, THAT'S A TALL ORDER. SO WE WANTED TO, TO DO THIS, THIS INTERIM STEP BY PROVIDING SOME GUIDANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, BY PROVIDING A ROUGH FRAMEWORK WITH THIS AREA PLAN. AND THEN ONCE THAT'S ESTABLISHED BY COUNCIL, THIS GUIDANCE, THEN THEY CAN COME IN WITH THEIR INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON MIKE JONES PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE, OR THE JONES FAMILY, ETC. MCDOUGALL FAMILY, THEY CAN ALL FOLLOW THAT ROUGH GUIDANCE AND COME IN WITH THEIR APPLICATIONS AND MOVE FORWARD. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST WE'RE WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HIT A WALL. SO THIS IS OUR, OUR ATTEMPT TO BREAK THROUGH THAT WALL, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. AGAIN, WE CAN GO BACK TO THIS. SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE THE INDIVIDUAL ACREAGE AMOUNTS THAT WILL HELP JUST FOR, I GUESS, MATH PURPOSES. BASICALLY EVERY SHIFT IN 5%, ANY WHICH WAY IS ABOUT 50 ACRES. SO. YOU KNOW, EASIER WITHOUT THE 2.5% THERE, BUT THAT'S ABOUT 20, 25 ACRES EVERY 2.5% IF YOU GO, IF THAT WERE THE ANSWER 22.5 TO 77.5, THEN IT SHOULDN'T TAKE A LOT OF MATH TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NUMBERS THAT GOES IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO, RIGHT? SO IT'S ABOUT THAT WOULD BE ABOUT ROUGHLY 775 ACRES OF NONRESIDENTIAL AND 225 ACRES OF.

THAT'S THE OVERALL, THE OVERALL. YEAH. I MEAN, THE NUMBER IN THE WHITE SPACE ON THE MIDDLE ROW.

I MEAN, THAT'S MATH. YEAH. SO THAT'S IT SHOULDN'T BE, SHOULDN'T BE HARD TO FIGURE THAT OUT. YEAH. AND AGAIN, GOING, THE FACT THAT THIS IS THIS IS HIGHER THAN THIS AS FAR AS NONRESIDENTIAL, THIS, IF THIS WAS YOUR NUMBER, THEN THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE LIKE 75, 25 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT IT SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN 19 TO 22. OH NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'D BE LIKE 75. YEAH. SO YEAH, YEAH.

SO THAT THAT'S THE QUESTION. IS THIS AVERAGE THE WHAT REPRESENTS THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL. RIGHT. BECAUSE THIS IS AVERAGE. BUT WE KNOW THAT IT JUST TAKES FOUR VOTES. YEAH. SO YEAH, IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WHAT MONTH WAS IT WHEN WE WHEN WAS IT. JUNE. GOSH IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS LONGER. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DEVELOPERS COME AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY AND STUFF. BUT I, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE ASKED ME NOW, I WOULD HAVE CHANGED BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT MY NUMBER WAS, BUT I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN HIGHER ON INDUSTRIAL THAN RESIDENTIAL. BUT IT'S ABOUT 23, LIKE HIGHER THAN IS. RIGHT. SO I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT I TOLD YOU. IT COULD HAVE BEEN 80, 85, I REMEMBER THAT'S FINE. DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY IT? YEAH. OKAY. YOU SAID 5050. OH OH. IS IT SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER? OKAY. GOOD JOB. THAT'S GOOD, THAT'S GOOD. I WAS OKAY BECAUSE I WAS THINKING I SAID 85, THE 15 BEING INDUSTRIAL NOW. SO I'M HAPPY WITH THAT NUMBER. OKAY, SO YOU WERE THINKING A LOT MORE RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. NOW I WAS AND THEN I'M LIKE, NO, BUT SOMEBODY SAID THAT. OKAY. I MEAN, YOU TAKE OUT THE OUTLIERS AND IT'S IT WAS 8020. YEAH. BUT THIS IS COUNTING EVERY SINGLE PERSON. OKAY. OUT OF THE EIGHT. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT MY ANSWER WAS? YES. I DID GIVE YOU A NUMBER, DID I. YEAH YOU DID. YEAH. WHAT NUMBER DID I SAY? 80.

20. I THOUGHT I SAID I DON'T CARE. I GUESS WE CAN CROSS-REFERENCE WITH TAYLOR'S NOTES IN CASE I'M THINKING SOMEBODY ELSE. OH, MINE'S IN MY OFFICE. SO COUNCIL WAS ASKING THE QUESTION. OWNERSHIP OF THIS AREA. MIKE JONES. ACCORDING TO THE CALCULATIONS, I COULD SEE 465 ACRES. VICKI JONES FIVE OF SEVEN. SOME OF VICKI'S IS KIND OF BELOW. THAT'S PRETTY NEW BINGHAM HIGHWAY. YEAH. BUT STILL IVORY HAS 42 ACRES BELOW THAT. THERE'S A GROUP CALLED CASO, AND THAT'S 34 AND JGKM, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 25. THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A SENSE. THERE'S.

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YEAH, YOU CAN'T ASK ME FIVE MONTHS IN. YEAH, WELL, THAT'S BE A HARD QUESTION. YEAH. IT WAS AT 8020 AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD KEEP MY. YEAH. AND I WILL SAY THAT I DON'T CARE. I'M MUCH MORE CONCERNED THAN DO IT RIGHT. THAN WHAT. YEAH. WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE COUNCIL. LIKE 25, 8025 WOULD BE TO. SO WE HAVE 6 OR 26. A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM TO. OH I DON'T CARE, SO SHOULD I.

OKAY. FIVE VERY SILLY, I CAN'T. AS LITTLE AS NECESSARY. BUT HE ALSO SAID HE WANTED OTHER QUESTIONS. DO YOU WANT TO ASK US. THAT'S IT FOR NOW. BITE SIZE PIECES. THANK YOU AGAIN ABOUT RATIO. BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY I GOT AN ISSUE WITH PULLING OUT A NUMBER AND THROWING A NUMBER DOWN ON THE WHOLE THING, BECAUSE BITE SIZED PIECES, DID YOU SAY THAT'S THE ISSUE OR. AND THAT IS THE ISSUE. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. BECAUSE IT'S MUCH MORE IT'S TAKING BITE SIZED PIECES. I KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE GOING TO GET DOWN TO THE LAST PIECE. THAT'S 40 ACRES. AND WE SAY, WELL, THIS ALL HAS TO BE THIS BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAD THIS RATIO. AND IF WE DID SOMETHING ELSE LIKE YOU GUYS PROPOSING, THEN IT'S GOING TO THROW OFF YOUR RATIO. AND ARE YOU OKAY CHANGING YOUR RATIO THAT YOU SET? AND THAT'S A QUESTION 26. YOU KNOW, AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION IN FOUR YEARS OR. BUT YOU HAVE TO START WITH A RATIO BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE CHANGES. IF WE JUST SAY IT'S A WILD WEST FROM THE BEGINNING, THEN THEN WE'RE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO STARTING SOMEWHERE AND THEN SAYING BITE SIZE PIECES ARE APPROPRIATE IS WHAT IS THIS PIECE? WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PIECE? BUT YOU KNOW, THIS PIECE DOESN'T CHANGE IN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, JUST LIKE A CHANGE TEN YEARS AGO. THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP. EVERY EVERY PIECE CHANGES THIS PIECE. YOU GOT TO START SOMEWHERE BEFORE YOU CAN CHANGE. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? THAT'S IT FOR US. YEAH. SO, WELL, I GUESS I'LL SAY OUR TARGET WILL BE TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS WITH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, WALMART GOAL. OUR GOAL IS TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS TO START ESTABLISHING THE WARES AND THE DENSITIES. YEAH. IT'S A TALL ORDER. WE DON'T KNOW. AND AGAIN, THAT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST PICKING A NUMBER, OBVIOUSLY. SO. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR FIGURING OUT HOW TO MOVE THIS. YEAH. SORRY. YOU'RE ALWAYS IN A BIG COAT.

IT'S TOO HOT. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO GET HIS NAME FIRST. OKAY, THERE'S THE COUNCIL. HANG ON ONE SECOND. IT'S OKAY TO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER, OKAY? YEAH, BUT HE SHOULD PROBABLY COME. HERE. I MENTIONED BEFORE TO IVORY, I WAS JUST. OH, YEAH. IT'S GREAT. COME HAVE A SEAT.

RIGHT NOW. YOU TELL US YOUR NAME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHRIS CAMPBELL. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE TIME. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE. WOULD THAT BE OKAY? SO FIRST OFF, I JUST WANT TO SAY WE DO A LOT OF PLANNING EXERCISES WITH A LOT OF CITIES. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE ONLY OTHER LARGER AREA IS ABOUT THREE TIMES THIS SIZE. THAT'S IT. IT'S. AND IT'S YOU. THEN IT'S

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AND SO AND WE DON'T HAVE A GUN TO OUR HEAD. WE DON'T NEED IT TOMORROW. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE. BUT MARKETS CHANGE. AND IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD IF WE COULD AT SOME POINT GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND FINISH THIS PROCESS WHERE WE CAN BRING SOMEBODY IN AND ACTUALLY BUILD SOME BUILDINGS THAT WILL DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, WHICH WE AGREE WITH, WHICH IS TO BRING WORKFORCE CLOSER TO WHERE THERE'S SOME HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. I HAVE SAID THIS PUBLICLY MANY TIMES, MAYOR, I THINK, HAS HEARD ME SAY THIS. WEST JORDAN HAS DONE MORE TO ENTITLE PROPERTY IN SALT LAKE COUNTY IN THE LAST SIX YEARS THAN ANYONE ELSE. MOST EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING BUILT IN HERRIMAN, SOUTH JORDAN. WE'RE ENTITLED YEARS AGO. I'M TALKING ABOUT I'M TALKING ABOUT ENTITLEMENT BEING THE CHANGE IN THE USE OF LAND, NOT PLAT APPROVALS. PLAT APPROVALS IS NOT ENTITLEMENT. THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE PART. AND YOU'VE DONE MORE. AND AND THANK YOU BECAUSE WE NEED MORE TO SAY THAT LIKE IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, LIKE ON TOP OF THE AVENUES I ACTUALLY AM, I ACTUALLY AM COUNCILMEMBER WILK BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT ARE NOT DOING IT. AND I AM THE MAYOR HAS HEARD ME SAY THIS AT THE CAPITOL. THERE ARE COUNTIES HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING, AND THEY WANT YOU TO DO MORE. AND I THINK IT'S TIME. YES, YES. AND AND, AND I'M ON THE FRONT LINE OF THAT. I MEAN, JUST PULL UP A PARK RECORD OR KCP AND AND GOOGLE MY NAME AND SEARCH MY NAME. I'M AT THE FRONT. I'M AT THE BLEEDING EDGE OF THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT SO I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, THAT THERE'S STILL THIS OTHER 190 ACRES THAT IS, IT'S GOING TO BE THAT ALSO. AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 8020 OR WHAT, WHAT AREA ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE IF WE HAD JUST ADDED THAT IN AND SAID, WELL, THIS IS A BOLT ON, WE'RE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO PROBABLY BE LIKE 9010. WHAT IF I ADDED IN THAT YELLOW PART UP THERE? THEN WHAT WOULD I BE? WHICH YELLOW PART DO YOU MEAN? DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS. YEAH. OH, I'M JUST POINTING OUT, CHRIS, THAT IT'S A GAME. IF I ADD IN I CAN ADD IN. NO YOU'RE THAT'S A THAT'S A VALID POINT. BUT THAT THAT'S A VALID POINT. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF HOUSING. YOU HAVE APPROVED A LOT OF HOUSING. YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE. WE THIS THIS POTENTIAL PARTNER THAT WE BROUGHT IN WHEN WE MET WITH PAUL AND, AND, AND THE OTHER PAUL CAME IN, HE, HE SAID, LOOK, THE THE COST TO DO THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE GRADE OUT JUST ALONG U111. AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU THE NUMBER. IT'S LIKE $8 A FOOT TO DO TO FLATTEN THE SITE. THAT'S LIKE THE VALUE OF THE LAND. OKAY. THE HIGHER YOU GET

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THANK YOU THAT WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT WHERE ARE THE JAZZ PLAYERS GOING TO LIVE? THAT WAS THE QUESTION. AND WE SAID THAT THAT KNUCKLE THAT COMES OUT OF THE OAKERS THAT SURROUNDED BY THE DARKER, A LITTLE BIT LIME GREEN AROUND THAT, THAT IS A BIG FLAT PLATEAU. AND WE INTENTIONALLY, IN OUR PLAN SAID THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LARGE LOTS. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ESTATE HOMES THAT HE WANTED TO LIVE THERE, BUT HE'S CHANGED HIS I WOULD LIKE TO LIVE THERE. I MEAN, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPOT.

AND AND EVERY TIME I BRING PEOPLE OUT HERE, I SAY LIKE, DO YOU REALIZE HOW HIGH YOU ARE ON THE BENCH THAT YOU ARE AT WASATCH BOULEVARD AND PEOPLE GO, I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY.

LIKE I I'M ON THE WEST SIDE. YEAH. SO WE, WE TRY TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT. WE WANT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY WITH YOU. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO, TO BRING IN IDEAS THAT WE THINK ARE THE BEST IDEAS FOR OUR PARTNERS, WHICH ARE OUR LAND SELLERS, ARE THE CURRENT LANDOWNERS, AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT GARDNER AND WITH MIKE JONES AND, AND WITH EVERYBODY ELSE AND TRYING TO COOPERATE. WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH YOUR TEAM IN THE LAST NUMBER OF WEEKS. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER MEETING ON THURSDAY, DON'T WE, TO TO GO OVER YOUR PROPOSAL TO THE STATE TO GET INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS. AND AND OUR PARTNERS ARE FOCUSED ENGINEERING HAVE DONE THE LION'S SHARE OF THE WORK IN CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS WITH GREG AND PAUL AND AND SCOTT TO SAY, HOW CAN WE GO IN AND GET SOME FOR $92 AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR $40 MILLION, WE'RE GOING TO COME IN AND MAKE A PROPOSAL BECAUSE WE'RE DOING WHAT THE STATE HAS ASKED. DO WE GET. YES. YOU ARE. THE STATE IS ASKING PEOPLE IN WHAT WE'RE DOING. YEAH, YEAH. SO ANYWAY, JUST THE HIGHER WE GET ON THE HILL OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS, FIVE, TEN YEARS, WHATEVER THERE, THERE REALLY IS GOING TO BE A POINT WHERE SOMEONE JUST GOES, IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE. WE JUST CAN'T DO IT. OR THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, THERE'S A NEW TECHNOLOGY, WE CAN DO A NEW THING. AND IT MIGHT WORK THAT WAY SOME, SOME WAY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO WE JUST NEED TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY SO WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO START BRINGING IN SOME OF THESE OTHER, THESE OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES. AND THIS PARTNER THAT I BROUGHT IN, WE HAVE DONE, WE'VE DONE SOME TRANSACTIONS WITH THEM. THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF SPEC BUILDING. AND THAT IS UNUSUAL IN THIS MARKET, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT AND THEY ARE VERY WELL CAPITALIZED. GROUP OUT OF KANSAS CITY, AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING SOME WORK IN WEST VALLEY IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND, AND WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO BRING THEM IN AND SEE IF WE COULD GET SOME STUFF GOING. SO WE. KANSAS CITY KNOW, WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT. THEY'VE NEVER SEEN. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE. I IT'S ACTUALLY YOU'D BE. YES. YOU'RE CORRECT. WE WHEN WE CAME OUT HERE, WE'RE LIKE, IT'S TOTALLY FLAT. AND THEY WERE LIKE. BUT, BUT WHEN. YEAH, WHEN YOU ALL WHEN WE CAN GET PAST THIS PHASE, WE'LL BRING IN THE NEXT. AND WE'RE VERY SERIOUS. WE WANT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND WE'RE BRINGING IN A LOT OF INFORMATION AND OUR HOUSING UNITS AT TERRAIN AND DRY CREEK HIGHLANDS AS JUSTIFICATION FOR THE AFFORDABLE UNITS TO JUSTIFY

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RIGHT. AND THEN WE GIVE IT TO THEM. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE TREAT THIS KIND OF LIKE PUTTING IN THE FRAMEWORK, BUT THEN THE INDIVIDUAL PIECES HAVE TO COME IN AND APPLY FOR THE APPLY FOR THAT TO BE APPLIED TO THEIR. THAT'S A GOOD COMPARISON. THAT'S HOW I SEE IT. YEAH. AND, AND I MAY BE THINKING ABOUT THIS COMPLETELY BACKWARDS BECAUSE WE DO THROW A FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOWN OVER THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY. RIGHT. BUT NOBODY'S, NOBODY'S WITH EVERYBODY'S INPUT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S MORE OR LESS ARBITRARILY MORE OR LESS JUST SLAP DOWN ZONE, NOT ZONES, BUT USES ON EVERYBODY USES THAT WE ALL AGREED ON. YEAH, RIGHT.

WE ALL AGREE THAT YOUR PROPERTY SHOULD BE THIS. SORRY. I THINK THAT'S HOW CITIES ARE BUILT.

YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LINE THERE THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T CROSS. AND IT MAY BE A FUZZY LINE, BUT IT'S FIGURED IT OUT. NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY SO JUST SO THAT WE, I GUESS, WRAP THIS UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND COUNCIL'S WISHES ON THIS. WE'RE GOING TO SHOOT FOR 8020 FOR NOW. AS FAR AS COMING UP WITH THE PODS, IF THERE'S SPECIFIC TYPE OF TOPOGRAPHICAL OR LANDOWNER CONSTRAINTS AND WE CAN'T MAKE A. 20 WORK WITH THAT, THEN WE'LL CONVEY THAT TO THE COUNCIL WHEN WE BRING THOSE PODS BACK AND ASK FOR CLASSIFICATION ON THAT. YEAH. IS THAT BECAUSE WHEN ROSS GETS IT TO 1090, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COSTCO AND TRADER JOE'S? YES. GOOD JOB. AND THERE'S A THIRD ONE. YOU KNOW, THE THIRD

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SIZZLER. I KNOW RUTH'S CHRIS. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT. THANK YOU COUNCIL. THANK YOU THAT IF WE

[Administrative Items]

IF THERE WERE TOPICS, YOU COULD SWAP THEM START AT SEVEN, BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY 9 OR 10 AND THAT. AND THAT HAS IMPACT TO STAFF AND POSSIBLY DEVELOPERS THAT WOULD NEED TO COME. SO JUST YEAH, JUST SO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF YOU TO MAKE A DECISION. BUT IF I'M A DEVELOPER, I'D RATHER COME AT NINE THAN NOT GET TO COME FOR TWO MONTHS, NEEDS TO GO TO TEN, 11:00 ALL THE TIME, MIDNIGHT BEFORE FOR DEVELOPERS SITTING THERE WAITING TILL THE LAST STROKE OF MIDNIGHT BEFORE THEY'RE. OR WHATEVER. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A REALLY HEAVY AGENDA. AND I KNOW THINGS GET ADDED LATER, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING. YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE WE ARE, WE ARE COOKING. I THINK THE 13TH IS MOSTLY FULL. I HAVE SOME PLACEHOLDERS ON THE 27TH FOR A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, BUT THEY'RE NOT TIME SENSITIVE. WE CAN BUMP THOSE TO NOVEMBER, BUT THAT MEANS THEN FUTURE THINGS WILL BE AT DECEMBER. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. UNLESS YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, WHICH IS ALL YOU CAN CHOOSE TO MEET AS OFTEN AS YOU WANT. I JUST WANT THE CALENDAR THAT WAS ADOPTED. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE.

AND IF WE NEED TO GO TO THE NEXT MEETING IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN. YEAH, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF ALL OF THOSE. THE BUSINESS MEETING, 27, BUSINESS MEETING. RIGHT? YEAH. WELL, WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE MUCH ON IT RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY HAVE UP UNTIL TWO WEEKS BEFORE. RIGHT. BUT SO CITY COUNCIL MEETING RIGHT NOW ON THE 27TH, WE HAVE NOTHING ON THE CALENDAR RIGHT NOW. ANYONE IN STAFF HAVE AN IDEA WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING FOR THIS MONTH? OCTOBER, OCTOBER. LIKE WE COSTUME CONTEST I'M SURE. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE TENTATIVELY SAY THAT WE'LL MEET AFTER BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR BUSINESS MEETINGS HAVE BEEN DONE BY A. SO, OKAY, SO IF WE'RE IF IF IF IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUSINESS MEETING IS NOT TOO LONG AND WE'VE GOT STUFF THAT ARE TIME SENSITIVE OR WOULD BACKLOG US IN FUTURE MEETINGS, THEN I, I WOULD PREFER TO JUST MEET AFTER MEETING COUNCIL AT SEVEN AND THEN. YEAH, YEAH, I CAN SEE THE WISDOM IN THAT. YEAH. I GUESS WE COULD ALWAYS CANCEL THAT ON THE AGENDA. WELL, WE CAN HAVE A TIME CERTAIN TO END TOO. WE COULD SAY WORK SESSION IS GOING TO END AT. AND IF WE DON'T GET TO YOUR ITEM, SORRY. YEAH. AND WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS NORMALLY THE UTAH LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS DOESN'T HOLD THIS ON A TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, BECAUSE IT DOES IMPACT MANY CITIES. THIS IS THE ONLY TIME THEY CAN GET THE

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OKAY, SALT LAKE CITY, SAME IDEA. OKAY. SO AFTER SO YOU'RE SAYING COUNCIL HAVE. SEVEN. YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT. I'M GOOD AND I'M GOOD WITH THAT. ZACH. OKAY. SO WE'LL WE'LL PLAN FOR THE 27TH TO START CITY COUNCIL AT SEVEN. AND THEN WHEN THAT'S COMPLETE, WE'LL GO TO MAYBE A COUPLE TOPICS FOR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. NOT NOT LIKE ALL FOUR FOR 2.5 HOURS. UNLESS AND I'LL WORK WITH LEADERSHIP ON GETTING THAT ORGANIZED. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT IS EVERYTHING. THERE ARE NO OTHER BUSINESS ITEMS. I

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