Oct 13, 2026 Committee of the Whole

[Call to Order]

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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING TO ORDER THE TIME IS 4:02 P.M. IT IS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 13TH.

THANK YOU FOR WAITING. THE TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE ON 78. THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT AND VICE CHAIR SHELTON IS ALSO STUCK IN THE SAME TRAFFIC AS LONG AS HE WAS IN THE ACCIDENT. NO, NO. HE SAID HE TOOK A DETOUR, AND HE'S LIKE, NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO GET THERE. SO. SO WE'LL EXCUSE HIM UNTIL HE GETS HERE. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS JACOB HARRIS ADORE LAMB WHITLOCK. AND WE KNOW OUR FIRST TOPIC OF DISCUSSION IS A BOOST IN PLACE.

[a. Discussion of Lewiston Place Future Land Use Map Amendment, Rezone to Add the Interchange Overlay Zone, a Preliminary Development Plan/Master Development Agreement, and an Amendment to The Highlands Master Development Plan]

OUR PRESENTER IS OAKWOOD HOMES AND WHOEVER IS HERE TO REPRESENT OKLAHOMA CITY. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO THE TABLE, PLEASE. YEAH. WE'LL SIT OVER HERE AND ONE OF THESE. CHAIR WE'VE GOT MARK AND THEN LARRY AS WELL, BECAUSE HE HAS SOME GOOD HISTORY ON THE MASTER PLAN.

OKAY, GREAT. IF YOU. THAT'S HILARIOUS. OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT IN. IT LOOKS LOOKS LIKE HE'S GOING FOR IT. SO I WANT TO TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HIGHLANDS MASTER PLAN. IT'S A 425 ACRE MASTER PLAN ON THE WEST SIDE. THE PETERSON DEVELOPMENT, WHERE IT WAS IN 2010. IT'S BEEN 15, 16 YEARS AGO PUT TOGETHER. AND THAT WAS RIGHT ON THE HEELS OF STORM STONE CREEK. I THINK COUNCILMAN JACOB WHITELOCK AND LAMB, YOU MAY REMEMBER. WE PROBABLY HAD SOME PROJECTS COME THROUGH. WANT YOU TO IMAGINE. IF YOU WILL, THE 425 ACRES AND IT'S IT'S EXPANDED OVER THE YEARS. IT STARTED OUT AT ABOUT 406 ACRES THERE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT GOES FROM 6700 WEST TO 56 AND THEN UP. TO THE NORTH. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE SOUTH IS UP THERE, BUT THEY ESTABLISHED 8200 AND IT'S REALLY A VERY, VERY WELL DONE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY AS THE OF COURSE, SMITH'S HOME DEPOT. AND I THINK IT REALLY HAS ENERGIZED THAT WHOLE COMMERCIAL CORNER OF 5600 WEST, YOU KNOW, CROSSING SMITH, OF COURSE, THE TRADER JOE'S, WHICH I NOTICED TODAY, IS STOCKED. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO OPEN, BUT.

AND SO WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS, THIS WORK IS THERE'S TWO PIECES LEFT. IN THE HIGHLANDS. ONE IS LEWIS LEWIS EMPLOYEES HERE. AND THEN THE REST OF COLDSTREAM COMMONS. AND WE ARE BURYING. COLDSTREAM COMMONS IS JUST SOUTH OF THE NEW HOLIDAY. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS THIS NEED TO RETURN. IT'S WORKING. OH YEAH. OH THERE WE GO. SO THERE WE GO.

SO THESE ARE THE TWO. KEEP GOING. AND THIS ADVANCE TO THE NEXT ONE. I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. AND SO THE WAY THE HIGHLANDS IS DONE IS THE DENSITY OF THE HIGHLANDS IS BASED UPON. DENSITY BY UP AS WE CALL IT, OR AS IT'S MORE OF A PERFORMANCE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE HFR, WHICH LEWIS PLACE IS IN, IT SENDS A MINIMUM ACREAGE, YOUR DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE OF NINE UNITS PER ACRE, A MAXIMUM OF 18. AND THAT'S IN THE ZONE. AND IF THEY WANT TO GET IT UP TO THE MAXIMUM, THEN THERE'S A LIST OF AMENITIES THAT THEY CAN PUT IN TO INCREASE THAT. AND THAT REALLY HAS RESULTED IN, I THINK, A VERY NICE DEVELOPMENT IN THE HIGHLANDS. IT'S AS YOU NOTICED OUT THERE, THERE'S A DIFFERENT FEEL IN THE STREETS. THE WAY THE STREETS LOOK, BECAUSE IT THE STREET TREE DENSITY, BY THE WAY, THE THE HOMES ARE SITUATION SITUATED GARAGES, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND SO THE HIGHLANDS IS NEAR AND DEAR TO

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AND TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND, THE HIGHLANDS IS ALL OF THIS THAT YOU SEE UP HERE. IT HAS A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AREA THAT WAS ENACTED TEN, 15 YEARS AGO, AND THE WHOLE IDEA WAS, HEY, WE PUT IN A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AND TRAILS, AND THE RESIDENTS PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE TO MAINTAIN THAT. AND THE CITY PAYS LIKE 20%. THE RESIDENTS PAY ABOUT 80%. THIS PIECE IS ALREADY IN THAT HIGHLANDS SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AREA, AND IT WILL STAY THAT WAY. SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PULL THAT OUT EVEN THOUGH WE WANT TO ENACT THE OVERLAY ZONE HERE. THESE FUTURE RESIDENTS, WHETHER THEY BE THROUGH OAKWOOD HOMES AND WHATEVER ENDS UP HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE, WILL BE PAYING A MONTHLY AMOUNT TO MAINTAIN OPEN SPACE AND AMENITIES IN THIS WHOLE AREA. AND THEY BENEFIT FROM THAT. THEY'LL HAVE SOME ON SITE AMENITIES, WHICH I KNOW LARRY'S WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH, AND THAT'S A FAIR POINT. BUT THERE'S ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, THIS MAP DOESN'T SHOW IT REAL WELL BECAUSE IT'S A ZONING MAP, BUT YOU HAVE PARKS ALL SPRINKLED THROUGH HERE. YOU HAVE A BIG OPEN SPACE DETENTION AREA OVER HERE, STONE CREEK. YOU HAVE A TON OF PARKS. AND WE AGAIN, WE'VE MASTER PLANNED AND DEVELOPED ALL THIS. I DON'T THINK THIS PIECE WILL BE SHORT OF OPEN SPACE IN THE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE BUYING INTO. THEY'D KNOW IT ON THE FRONT END. SO I KNOW I'M TALKING KIND OF A MILLION MILES AN HOUR, BUT I WANT TO GIVE A CHANCE FOR JEFF AND PETERSON TO SAY A COUPLE WORDS AND THEN OAKWOOD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? KIND OF ABOUT WHAT THE WHY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THIS. THAT'S OKAY. IF NOT, WE HAVE THE

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AND SO YEAH, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY. JEFF, DO YOU WANT TO SAY A QUICK WORD OR TWO BEFORE WE OPEN UP HERE? YEAH. IF YOU'LL JUST LEAVE THIS MAP UP. LIKE BARRETT SAID, THIS INTERSECTION IS KIND OF OUR BABY. WE WE WANT TO MAKE THIS. WE TRIED TO MAKE THIS AN AMAZING INTERSECTION. AND I THINK WE HAVE. IN FACT, THE OTHER WHAT BARRETT TALKED ABOUT IS FOR SALE IN THIS AREA. WE WANT FOR SALE PRODUCT IN THIS AREA TONIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR REZONE ON ON THIS THIS PROPERTY UP HERE WE WANT FOR SALE. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS GUY AND THAT GUY IS THE PRODUCT TYPE. THIS IS A FIT THAT WORKS WITH THE MULTIFAMILY USE UP HERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY USE. AND THAT'S WHAT OUR INTENTION IS. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW COME WE'RE NOT DOING IT OURSELVES? WELL, OAKWOOD IS A NATIONAL BUILDER, HAS A GREAT REPUTATION. THEY HAVE A GREAT PRODUCT THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO BUILD IN MANY DIFFERENT SITES. THE AVENUES AT FARMINGTON STATION IS ONE. AND THEN WANDER DOWN IN SARATOGA SPRINGS, JUST OUTSIDE OF THE LDS TEMPLE. THE LDS CHURCH BROUGHT HIM IN, AND THOSE ARE TWO OF THEIR THEIR PRODUCTS THAT WOULD FIT ON THIS SITE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE PARTNERING WITH OAKWOOD TO BRING THIS PRODUCT. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OAKWOOD AND THEY CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. I'M BRIAN FRANK FROM OAKWOOD HOMES. EXCUSE ME. AS HE MENTIONED WE'RE PART OF THE BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY GROUP. WE DO A LOT OF BUILDING HERE IN UTAH. AND AS A COMPANY, WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT UTAH AND BENT ON BEING HERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. WE'VE BEEN BUILDING HERE FOR. ABOUT 15 YEARS IN VARIOUS COMMUNITIES. WE'VE BEEN ACTIVE WITH THE 55 PLUS PORTION OF DAYBREAK SPRING HOUSE VILLAGE.

OUR BIG DEVELOPMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON DOWN IN SARATOGA, THE WATER PROJECT, IT'S ABOUT 2000 HOMES THAT WE'RE ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY THROUGH NOW. AS A COMPANY, OUR MANDATE IS TO BUILD ATTAINABLE HOUSING FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO BE BUILDING PRODUCT THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD. I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM KNOWS THAT UTAH'S GOT A LITTLE A LITTLE OUT OF SHAPE WHEN IT COMES TO AFFORDABILITY. I'M NOT TALKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE OF THAT. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT PRODUCT IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT GOOD QUALITY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT PEOPLE CAN BE PROUD TO OWN AND LIVE IN. AND WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AT THAT. WE LIKE THIS SITE. IT BRINGS ALL THE BELLS, AND IT'S CLOSE TO TRADER JOE'S. WHO DOESN'T WANT TO LIVE HERE AT TRADER JOE'S? APPARENTLY IT'S CLOSE TO TRADER JOE'S. WE SHOULD GET CREDITS FOR AMENITIES JUST FOR THAT. TRADER JOE'S. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT ONE. THIS ONE, THIS IS THE UGLIEST SITE PLAN I'VE I'VE I'VE SEEN IT. IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF PIZZAZZ TO IT. THE MAIN IDEA FOR THAT IS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING 196 HOMES ON THIS.

THEY WILL BE TOWNHOMES, THEY WILL HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES. THE THING THAT REALLY DOESN'T SHOW ON THIS, AND WE CAN GO TO THE PICTURES OF SOME OF THE PRODUCTS. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE A, AN IDEA OF THE LIVABILITY OF IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY ROADS, WHICH WE TRY AND OFFER AS BEST WE CAN SO THEY DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC NOISE IN YOUR KITCHEN TABLE.

EVERYTHING DRAINS TO ONE END. SO WE HAVE TO RETAIN WATER. SO THAT AFFECTS HOW MUCH COVERAGE WE CAN GET ON IT AS WELL. AND YOU GOT TO GET PEOPLE TO AND FROM THE HOMES. SO THAT'S WHY IT APPEARS DENSE. THAT'S NOT HOW IT LOOKS. YEAH. I CAN READ THE RETENTION POND, BUT THE OTHER THREE UP ABOVE, EVEN WHEN I ZOOM INTO IT, I CAN'T READ IT. WHAT DOES WHAT DO THEY SAY? SO SO THEY'LL BE PICKLEBALL COURTS, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF AMENITY ALONG THOSE LINES. WELL, WHAT

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SO YOU'VE GOT SIDEWALKS. THIS IS ALL SIDEWALK. THESE ARE ALL SIDEWALKS. OKAY. SO YEAH, IT, IT DOES KIND OF HAVE THAT ROW HOUSING APPEARANCE. SO THEY, THEY FACE EACH AT THEIR FRONT DOORS, FACE EACH OTHER. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE SOME PICTURES THAT'LL KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE AFTER THEY BUILD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SITE PLAN? SO THIS IS WHAT WE ENVISION THE OUTSIDES OF THE UNITS LOOKING. SO IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE BIG FLAT FRONTAGES. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ARCHITECTURAL RELIEF MULTIPLE MATERIALS TO BREAK IT UP. I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD LOOKING PRODUCT TYPE THAT THAT WILL ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S ONE PLACE. AGAIN, COLOR BREAKDOWNS. WE TRY NOT TO DO, YOU KNOW, BIG, BIG MAST.

EVERYTHING LOOKS THE SAME SO THAT YOU DO HAVE SOME IDENTITY FOR EACH HOME. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PERSONALLY, I FEEL WHEN YOU'RE LIVING IN A, IN A TOWNHOME, YOU STILL WANT IDENTITY. YOU WANT TO SAY, YEAH, I LIVE IN THE ORANGE ONE. SO DOES THE BUYER CHOOSE THE COLOR? SO OBVIOUSLY, YES, BUT YOU HAVE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS, SO YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SAME COLOR SIDE BY SIDE OR DIRECTLY ACROSS. THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN HANDLED IN PREVIOUS COMMUNITIES SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE. EVERYBODY LOVES THE RED AND GRAY ONE. SO YOU GET THIS MASSIVE RED GRAY HOME.

SO WE DO BREAK IT UP. SO YOU WANT TO GET IN THE FIRST COLOR, THE RED ONE, THE RED ONE. WHAT A BLUE ONE. OKAY. THE BLUE ONES OVER THERE. WELL, IF YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE IN THE POOL AND YOU SAY, I WANT THE RED ONE AND I WANT AN END UNIT, THEN THE RED END UNIT WILL ASK HOW YOU TAKE WHAT YOU GET. YEAH. SO THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. THIS IS A SIMILAR PRODUCT DOWN IN THE WATER PROJECT. SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW ABOUT BEING A WALKABLE COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE FRONT DOORS FACING EACH OTHER. SO BUILDINGS ON THE SIDES, SIDEWALKS AND LANDSCAPING UP THE MIDDLE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST SIDEWALK AND ROCK. YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY COMFORTABLE, APPEALING. JOURNEY, IF YOU WILL, TO, TO YOUR FRONT DOOR AND THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. HERE'S ANOTHER, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OLDER. THIS HAS BEEN THIS IS ONE OF THE POCKETS. IT'S THIS IS ABOUT FOUR YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT. SO THE LANDSCAPING IS STARTING TO MATURE A LITTLE PARTIAL TO THIS ONE BECAUSE MY, MY NIECE LIVES IN THIS UNIT RIGHT HERE. AND SO I SEE, SEE MY GREAT NIECE AND NEPHEW UP THERE PLAYING AROUND.

AND I'M A BIG FAN OF SIDEWALK CHALK. SO I LIKE WHEN I'M OVER HERE CHECKING WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND I SEE THAT ALL OVER THE SIDEWALKS. I LIKE IT. YEAH, IT'S HERS RIGHT HERE.

YEAH. MY WIFE THINKS I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT SIDEWALK CHALK, BUT. AND WHERE IS THIS ONE? THIS ONE IS IN SARATOGA SPRINGS. IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH SARATOGA SPRINGS, THIS IS THE HOLIDAY GAS STATION RIGHT THERE. EXCELLENT. FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE LOOKING.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS THE EARLY STAGES OF THE PROJECT. WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO, TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN SUPPORT. SO WILL THE CITY SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT, CHANGING THE ZONING? ZONING MAP? WE TALKED ABOUT THE AMENDING THE MASTER PLAN. WE DON'T WANT TO PULL IT OUT. WE WANT IT TO BE A PART OF IT. WE'RE ADDING TO IT, NOT TAKING AWAY FROM IT.

DENSITY, I KNOW, IS A CONCERN, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN. BUT OBVIOUSLY, TO BUILD

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OVERALL DESIGN. WE'VE SHOWN PROPOSED ELEVATIONS, COLOR SCHEMES, THINGS LIKE THAT. IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN ADDITION TO THAT THAT YOU WANT TO SEE, PLEASE LET US KNOW. STONE IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE. THIS FORGET IT HERE. THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

YEAH. WE HAVE MORE PICTURES IF YOU WANT US TO SHOW PICTURES REAL QUICK OR JUST CLICK THROUGH THOSE. THOSE ARE THE LAST ONES. OH, OKAY. OKAY. THE TRUSTY TABLET. I HAVE MORE PICTURES IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE THEM. BUT IT'S A QUALITY PRODUCT AND WE'RE JUST HERE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK. WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. AND SO THAT WE CAN PUT THAT INTO OUR FUTURE SUBMITTALS. THANK YOU. WE HAVE THE TWO CAR GARAGES ARE THERE.

DO YOU HAVE OUR STANDARD DRIVEWAYS TO THAT AS WELL? YES. WE HAVE A 22 FOOT DRIVEWAY ON EACH OF THOSE 22 FOOT IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL. THAT IS OUR THAT IS WHAT WE REQUIRE. OKAY.

AND THAT'S REQUIRED BY COUNCIL. CODE, CITY CODE, CITY CODE. OKAY. PERFECT. JUST BY COUNCIL.

COUNCIL. COUNCIL. YES. GOOD TO KNOW. AND WITH YOUR WANTING TO SELL THESE, THAT'S GREAT. BUT AMERICAN HOMES FOR RENT COULD COME AND BUY ALL OF THEM. SO HOW WILL YOU PREVENT THEM TO BE HOME OWNER OCCUPIED? WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A RENTAL COMMUNITY.

IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING YET, YOU VERY WELL COULD BECOME VERY WELL. COULD BE. SO IN TERMS OF DEED RESTRICTIONS OR. CODE REQUIREMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. I STRUGGLE WITH THE NEGATIVE CONNOTATION THAT THAT GOES WITH RENTAL PROPERTIES. YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU TAKE THAT POSITION, THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE APARTMENTS AND THINGS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA ARE FOR SOME REASON HE DIDN'T BRING IT UP. MR. PETERSON BROUGHT IT UP THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE. YEAH, WE WANT THAT. I JUST I RUN INTO THIS IN OTHER CITIES AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RENT.

AT ONE TIME WE ALL HAD TO RENT. EXACTLY. SO I JUST JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE'RE BUILDING A FOR SALE PRODUCT. DO WE WANT IT TO BE A RENTAL COMMUNITY? NO, WE IF THERE ARE STEPS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN TO MAKE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, PLEASE MAKE SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE WE WE'RE DEFINITELY WILLING TO PUT THAT IN. CAN YOU DO THAT THROUGH SOME OF THE.

YOU MUST BE OCCUPIED OWNER OCCUPIED FOR SO MANY YEARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THAT IS A VERY POPULAR METHOD. I MEAN, THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST ONE. I THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE SAID THAT FIVE, FIVE YEAR HOLD BEFORE YOU CAN MATURE AND SELL, YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE WHOLE MAP OF WHAT THE AREA LOOKS LIKE. GO BACK TO THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU BRING UP THE DRIVEWAYS, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS A DRIVEWAY. THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE OF A BACK ALLEY. GO THROUGH THAT. THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. SO BUT SO MY QUESTION IS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE CAN GET THIS. I KNOW WE GOT THESE IN WEST JORDAN WHERE THEY'RE THE NO DRIVEWAY, JUST GARAGES. YEAH. SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS NOT A DRIVEWAY. THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I COULDN'T TELL FROM THE REAR LOAD. YEAH. I CALL THEM BACK ALLEY TOWNHOMES. YEAH. SOUND BAD. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. I MEAN, I GET WHAT THE CONCEPT OF THIS WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, OH, YOU GET TO FACE YOUR HOMES AND EVERYBODY GETS TO SEE EACH OTHER. REALITY IS THESE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO GO IN THERE AT ALL. THEY'RE GOING TO JUST GET IN THEIR CARS AND LEAVE. SO SOMEONE ELSE THAT LIVES IN THAT KIND OF COMMUNITY.

QUITE TRUE. I SEE YOURS IS DIFFERENT. I SEE MY NEIGHBORS. YOURS IS DIFFERENT THOUGH. YOU HAVE DRIVEWAYS. YEAH, I HAVE A I HAVE A BACK ALLEY. WE GO UP TO ALL SORTS OF SECRET STUFF BACK THERE, MOSTLY HAVING TO DO WITH SIDEWALK CHALK. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. DO YOU SEE LIKE THIS WOULD BE GREAT FOR LIKE HALLOWEEN. WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING THIS DESIGN IS NOT BUILT FOR SO TRUE. RIGHT? THAT'S THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT. NO, THAT DESIGN DOES NOT FACTOR INTO 22. SO WE ALREADY HAVE APARTMENT DWELLERS THAT PARK ON THE ROAD.

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WE ALREADY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT'S VERY TIGHT LIKE THIS. AND THEY PARK ON A SMALL LITTLE ROAD CALLED 7800 SOUTH AND IT'S A PROBLEM AND IT'S NOT SAFE. AND PART OF OUR JOB IS SAFETY. SO IF THAT CONCERNS ME WITH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, THAT AND YOU HAVE 80 IRKS AND YOU'RE WANTING 196, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO MAGICALLY GET ALL THIS WATER FROM. EVEN IF PEOPLE DON'T WATER. I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT WATER. AND I'M GOING TO KEEP SAYING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WATER. YEAH. SO I GUESS FOR ME, MOST OF YOUR ANSWERS IS ARE YOU CAN ALREADY BUILD 18 UNITS PER ACRE. I'M OKAY IF THEY DON'T HAVE HIGH END FINISHES. IF YOUR JOB, IF WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS TO BUILD A PRODUCT THAT SOMEONE CAN ATTAIN, NOT AFFORD, I GUESS I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO DO THAT. AND I, FOR ME, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH AMENITIES IN THERE FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE IN THERE. AND WHILE IT IS PART OF THE HIGHLANDS GROUP, REALLY WHAT'S CLOSE TO THEM FOR THE HIGHLANDS GROUP IS SHOPPING, NOT RECREATION. AND IN ORDER TO GET TO THE RECREATION, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO ON SOME PRETTY BUSY STREETS AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WALK THERE. FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE BECAUSE 78 IS KIND OF SCARY IN OUR CITY TO CROSS ANOTHER ROUNDABOUT. MY CONCERN, NOT ESPECIALLY THE ROUNDABOUT. ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS PARKING. IT'S JUST LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER WHITELOCK SAID. THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO END UP PARKING OUTSIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, IF THEIR GARAGE FILLS UP, MAYBE IT'S EVEN JUST TEMPORARY, BUT THE GARAGE FILLS UP AND THEN IT'S TEMPORARY. BUT THEN FIVE YEARS LATER, THEY'RE STILL PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT OF HOME DEPOT. SOMETHING HAPPENS AT YOUR HOUSE. IT'S TEMPORARY. YES. MY, I CANNOT I LITERALLY CANNOT PARK IN MY GARAGE RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST THAT'S I FEEL STUPID TO ADMIT THAT, BUT IT'S TRUE. MINE EVERY NIGHT. SO PROUD OF YOU. YOU'RE AWESOME. I'M NOT I'M NOT AS GOOD AS CHAD. SO KEY QUESTION ABOUT THE OVERLAY. I AM NOT CONVINCED OF THAT. IT'S ALREADY ZONED HIGH DENSITY. I JUST I WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION, MAYBE STAFF WHY THEY'RE RECOMMENDING. I CAN I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN THAT IT'S WITHIN THE INTERCHANGE ZONE. BUT I FROM WHERE I'M SITTING NOW, I WOULD RATHER JUST KEEP IT IN THE ZONING THAT IT IS. AND THAT WILL GIVE US MORE ROOM FOR PARKING ETC. IN THE SPACE. ANYWAYS, OUR INITIAL STAB AT THIS WAS TRYING TO KEEP BECAUSE PERSONALLY IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO A ZONE CHANGE. YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL FOUR PLUS MONTHS. YOU ADD IT TO A NORMAL SETTLEMENT PROCESS. BUT IN TRYING TO KEEP IT IN THE EXISTING ZONING AND GET COVERAGE, WE END UP BEING SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 55 TO 60 HOMES LESS. SO I MEAN, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. AND JUST TO GET TO THAT VIA FOR THE DENSITY, IT IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET HOME COVERAGE. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT TERM. SO SO EACH, EACH HOME, YOU KNOW, OCCUPIES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LAND. AND SO WE EITHER HAVE LANDSCAPING, STREETS, HOMES, AMENITIES, THEY ALL OCCUPY 100% OF THE SITE, IF YOU WILL. SO IT'S HOW DO YOU

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BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THERE TO BACKING UP OUT OF THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT. I THINK THE DENSITY IS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE. THE WEEDS LOOK LIKE BECAUSE YOU'RE BETWEEN HIGH DENSITY APARTMENTS AND A BUSY COMMERCIAL CORNER. IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT DENSITY ANYWHERE, THIS IS WHERE YOU PUT DENSITY. YOU'RE ALSO RIGHT NEXT TO MAJOR ARTERIAL STREET, MAJOR ARTERIAL STREET AND FREEWAY ISH. AND THIS IS THIS IS WHERE DENSITY BELONGS. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD 21 UNITS AN ACRE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, THIS IS WHERE YOU DO IT. NOW, IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK, GREAT, THERE'S PLENTY OF WEEDS BEING THROWN ABOUT. I WAS JUST ELEVATING OUT OF THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT. LOOKING DOWN AT YOUR DENSITY IS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE. DENSITY OF 196 UNITS. JUST HIGH DENSITY IN GENERAL, RIGHT? IT COULD BE THIS COULD BE AN APARTMENT CONTINUATION OF WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET. AND IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, RIGHT? SURE. YEAH. SO THIS IS EVEN, THIS IS EVEN A LITTLE BIT LESS DENSITY THAN WHAT MAKES SENSE. LARRY HAS A QUESTION. EXACTLY. SO HE'S GOT SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS. JUST GET THOSE UP THERE. SO THIS WAS THE AVENUES PROJECT UP NORTH A LITTLE BIT. IS THAT BY THE OLD PRIMARY. IS THAT IS THAT IN FARMINGTON OR IS THAT ON THE AVENUE IN FARMINGTON IN WEST SIDE? OKAY. WAY JUST YEAH, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE THAT LOOKS LIKE A THREE STORY BUILDING. YEAH. THOSE ARE THREE. SO YEAH. YEAH, I DIDN'T REALIZE. OKAY. I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL TWO STORY. YEAH. LARRY, HAVE YOU GOT A COMMENT? YEAH. LET'S LET'S LARRY SPEAK. SO I TALKED A LOT ON THE HIGHLANDS AT THE BEGINNING. AND I WAS ALSO PART OF THE INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE. I THINK COUNCILMAN JACOB WAS COUNCILMAN LAMB. I DON'T WANT THE COUNCIL TO GO WITH PERCEPTION THAT THE INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE DOES NOT HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND AMENITIES THAT ARE REQUIRED. IT'S FAIRLY ROBUST. THERE ARE JUST DIFFERENT IS WHAT THEY ARE. AND SO. I THINK THAT A PROJECT ON THIS SITE DESIGN MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE. THE DENSITY IS NOT TERRIFYING, BUT IT HAS TO BE DESIGNED VERY WELL. YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING AND IT'S IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYWHERE ON THIS IS PARKING. EVERYONE HAS TWO PEOPLE IN SIX CARS. BUT. AND SO THAT'S JUST WHERE I WANT TO LEAVE OFF IS THAT IT DOES HAVE ITS OWN SET OF STANDARDS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW IF IT WAS RESULT. I WAS THAT GUY. I HAD FIVE, FIVE KIDS IN MY HOUSEHOLD. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN THE FROGS WERE HOME BECAUSE IT IT LOOKED LIKE A USED CAR PARKING LOT. BUT THE LOOP ROAD, THE HIGHLANDS LOOP ROAD, WHICH IS NOT CALLED THAT HERE, IT'S CALLED WINDOW RANCH. YEAH, YEAH. ALREADY HAS NO PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. YEAH. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. THERE'S THERE'S ALREADY SIGNS, BOTH SIDES. I WOULD THINK THAT YOU DON'T YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE HERE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO FILL UP YOUR GARAGE AND BE PARKING SOMEWHERE ELSE, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WALK. THERE'S NOWHERE CLOSE BY WHERE YOU CAN PARK AND WALK IN EASILY. YOU CAN PARK AT HOME DEPOT UNTIL IT GETS DARK AND HOME DEPOT CLOSES, AND THEN THEY START PATROLLING THEIR LOT AND HANDING OUT PARKING TICKETS. I HAVE A QUESTION, AND THIS IS MORE LIKE, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT WHY THE INCREASE? THE 20 FROM 171 AND 196 TO GET THE PROJECT TO PENCIL, TO BE TOTALLY HONEST, AT THE 150 RANGE, THE COST OF THE AMENITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU CAN'T BUILD A FOR SALE PRODUCT. SO YOU GOT TO GET MORE HOMES ON SITE TO OFFSET THOSE COSTS. AND DO YOU KNOW, ON AVERAGE, IN THE SAME PROJECT YOU SAID IS IN FARMINGTON, HOW MANY PEOPLE ON AVERAGE? AND IF YOU DON'T, THAT'S OKAY. IN EACH ONE OF THE UNITS, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE PROJECT? WE'VE GOT YOUNG COUPLES. SO SO TWO AND I'VE SEEN MULTIPLE UNITS THAT HAVE KIDS, TWO, THREE KIDS. SO I'D SAY BETWEEN 2 AND 5 OR SIX WOULD BE THERE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS. AND SO. MY, MY PART IN GOING ALONG WITH, WITH THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS,

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AT FIRST I WAS LIKE, OH, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO LIVE THERE BECAUSE THEIR NEXT DAY I'M LIKE GOING, HOLY CRAP, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LITERALLY FIVE FEET AWAY FROM PEOPLE SCREAMING AT THEIR PARTNER FOR NOT HITTING THE BALL. YEAH. AMENITIES ARE A MIXED BAG. I MEAN, I DON'T PLAY PICKLEBALL WITH BOB. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS, YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS I HEAR OVER AND OVER, WE WANT A PARK. BARK, BARK, BARK, BARK, DOG DOG, DOG, DOG SAYS EVERYBODY UNLESS THEY LIVE NEXT TO IT. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, SO YOU GET THAT WE'VE DONE COMMUNITY GARDENS, YOU KNOW, BOB BOX GARDEN PLOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE BASICALLY BOX WEED PATCHES. SO WE, WE LOOK TO THE COMMUNITIES FOR INPUT ON WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN A COMMUNITY. EVERYBODY LOVES PICKLEBALL. DOGS BECAUSE THEY MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OFF OF IT. OH YEAH. ANYWAY, THAT JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP THERE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT HOW YOU'VE GOT TO PAY A LOT FOR AMENITIES. AND THEN I'M HEARING YOU CAN GET THAT MORE, MORE CENTRALLY. WELL, MAYBE THAT MIGHT HELP. BUT YOU KNOW, I, I JUST TO ME, I DON'T SEE THOSE AS AMENITIES. BUT, BUT EVERYONE'S DIFFERENT, BUT I'M STILL EVEN LOOKING AT IT GOING, WELL, PICKLEBALL COURT IS YOU PUT SOMETHING ON THE GROUND AND YOU HAVEN'T DONE MUCH WITH IT IN SEVERAL YEARS. MAYBE YOU REPLACE THE NET. SO I'M NOT HEARING THAT TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS MEAN THAT WE'VE GOT TO ADD 20 MORE HOUSES TO MAKE THAT WORK. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU BROUGHT UP THAT AMENITIES ARE THE REASON WHY IT'S NOT PENCILING. I'M LOOKING AT IT GOING, THOSE AMENITIES DON'T APPLY TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, 3 MILLION IN HOMES THAT YOU'VE ADDED. THAT'S AND I COULD BE WRONG. I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, BUT I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING EITHER.

AMENITIES MOVED TOWARD THE MIDDLE SO THAT THEY'RE MORE SHAREABLE OR PUT SOMETHING ON THAT OTHER SIDE. SO I SEE THAT I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB THAT THIS IS A GOOD SPOT FOR HIGHER DENSITY, BUT THAT'S I WAS I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO SAY THAT. EXACTLY. AND THAT'S WHY WE SAID THAT. YEAH. BUT NOW TO COME BACK AND SAY HIGHER, I NEED TO SEE WHY AND HOW THAT LOOKS. BUT PARKING BECOMES JUST SUCH A BIG ISSUE. AND I, WE ALL KNOW THAT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE TRY TO GO, WELL, WE'VE MET THE CODE BY SAYING TWO CAR GARAGE AND WE'VE ADDED 18 SPOTS AROUND. SO WE'RE ABOVE WHEN WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK OUT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING IN CODE TO, TO MAKE THAT POINT MORE CLEAR. THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I, LIKE I SAID, I'M WITH THE IDEA THAT THE, THE HIGHER DENSITY, THE HIGH DENSITY THAT WE'VE APPROVED, THAT THIS IS A PERFECT PLACE FOR IT. I, I LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS. I'VE SEEN I'VE SEEN YOUR WORK IN, IN OTHER PLACES AND IT IS GOOD WORK. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION FOR ME. I JUST WANT TO SEE MORE OF HOW THIS ALL WORKS INTO AND HOW WE'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PARKING ISSUES. AND BY YOUR WORDS, IT'S A LOT OF YOUNG FAMILIES AND GOING WITH WHAT COUNCILMEMBER WHITELOCK SAID, THERE ARE PARKS ALL AROUND, BUT IT'S IT'S LIKE THERE'S A MOAT IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE PARKS AND WHERE THEY ARE BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN EASY GET TO AREA. SO THAT'S JUST THE THOUGHTS IN THERE. BUT LIKE I SAID, I, I THINK I THINK YOU'RE CLOSE. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND THIS IS THE KIND OF FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE WANT TO BE AWARE OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS ARE. AND THIS IS THIS IS A STAFF PRELIMINARY. YEAH. AND I GOT THAT. THAT'S JUST THE WAY I WANTED TO PUT IT OUT, WHAT MY THOUGHTS WERE AT THE CONCEPT

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YEAH. AND TO ADDRESS THE CABLE LINE, TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENT, WE DON'T WANT YEAH, WE COULD CUT BACK ON THE MATERIALS WE USE AND CERTAINLY SAVE MONEY ON THAT END. BUT THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF DEVELOPER WE ARE. WE WANT QUALITY HOMES. WE WANT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE PROUD OF. AND I HAD A BASIC HOME. I'M VERY PROUD OF THE HOME THAT I BOUGHT. AND YEAH, AND I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO BE IN A HOME THAT THEY CAN AFFORD THAT HAS SPACE AROUND THEM. SO I THINK THAT ZONE YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVES YOU UP TO 18. AND I'M JUST SUGGESTING MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS YOU CAN PENCIL IT OUT. FORMICA COUNTERTOP, ALTHOUGH NOW THEY'RE REALLY EXPENSIVE. WE HAVE A COUNTERTOP RIGHT HERE. NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. SO ANYWAY, WHY DOES HE GET ALL THE SO FUNNY? SIDE NOTE ON THAT. MY MY STEPDAD IS FORMICA.

NOT NOT THAT FORMICA, BUT IT'S AN OLD ITALIAN FAMILY NAME. OH, SO WHENEVER I HEAR IT, I KIND OF CHUCKLE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER, DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE PICTURES REAL QUICK? AGAIN, THESE AREN'T NECESSARILY PICTURES, BUT THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE PRODUCT THAT'S BEEN BUILT. THIS IS DOWN JUST NORTH OF 2100 DOWN THERE TODAY. THAT THAT'S ONE OF YOUR, YOUR ALLEYS WITH WITH DRIVE. THAT'S NOT A 22 FOOT DRIVEWAY, BUT THERE'S YOUR HOW LONG ARE THOSE DRIVEWAYS? THOSE ARE ABOUT 20 IS WOULD YOU HAVE THOSE THAT IS THIS SITE PLAN IS DRAWN. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S AT LEAST THAT'S BETTER. THAT'S BETTER THAN WHAT I WAS THINKING. IT WAS GOING TO BE SIX FEET. NO DRIVEWAY AT ALL. YEAH, YEAH. TONY AGAIN, THERE'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW. BRIAN. WHAT, WHAT DO WE CALL THAT, THAT THAT IT'S THE FRONT ALLEY. WE CALL IT THE RACETRACK AT MY HOUSE. THE RACETRACK. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT'S CALLED THE FRONT YARD. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO THERE'S KIND OF A STREET. SOMEBODY MENTIONED HALLOWEEN. YOU CAN'T REALLY LOOK AND READ THIS, BUT SPOOKTACULAR BLOCK SOMEBODY.

YEAH, I LIKE THAT TEMPORARY ARBOR UP OVER IT AND IT'S CUTE. GREAT PLACE TO. DO THAT KIND OF ALLEYWAY IN THE MIDDLE, I THINK DOES ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO START TO BECOME A LITTLE MORE NEIGHBORLY. YEAH, IT PROVIDES MORE COMMUNITY. IT DOES OPEN IT UP, YOU KNOW, SO THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID, YOU KNOW, IN AND OUT ON YOUR WAY. SO BRIAN COUNCIL, CAN I MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT? PETERSON DEVELOPMENT HERE? I THINK ONE ARGUMENT WE'RE KIND OF INHERENTLY MAKING IS THE DEVELOPER OF THIS IS EVERY INCREMENTAL UNIT YOU ADD OF FOR SALE HOUSING HELPS THE STATEWIDE PROBLEM, WHETHER IT'S 25, THAT YOU SEEM A LITTLE RESISTANT TO 25 MORE. IT ALL HELPS IN EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING RENTALS HERE. WE'RE PROPOSING FOR SALE, WHICH I THINK YOU PUT DOWN ROOTS AND THEY SHOP AT THE HIGHLANDS. BUT EVERY LITTLE THING HELPS. WE HAVE UNDERBUILT FOR YEARS, AND I DON'T THINK IF PEOPLE GO IN THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE OPEN SPACE IS MODEST HERE, BUT WE'VE GOT PARKS ALL AROUND. SURE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MOAT, BUT THERE ARE PARKS AND TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE HIGHLANDS. MAYBE YOU STAY OFF CROSSING 78 SOUTH TO YOUR POINT, BUT EVERYTHING HELPS AND WE'RE IN A HOUSING DEFICIT AND IT WILL HELP ATTAINABILITY OVER TIME.

THAT'S KIND OF THE MACRO ARGUMENT. ALMOST 10,000 UNITS ENTITLED RIGHT NOW. SO WE ARE HEALTHY. SURE. AND YOU'RE PART OF THE HELP. SURE. THESE ARE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT, JORDAN AS WELL. NOT JUST TODAY, IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SURE. BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? I'M THE END OF THE BABY BOOMERS AND WE'RE DYING. SURE. AND WE'RE NOT BEING REPLACED AT THE SAME LEVEL. AND SO THERE'S GOING TO COME A POINT WHERE MAYBE WE DON'T NEED QUITE AS MUCH, BUT MAYBE WE DO NEED A LITTLE MORE SPACE. SO I THINK THERE'S BOTH SIDES TO IT FOR SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE FOR THAT ARE OKAY WITH THEM MOVING FORWARD? IF WE COULD GO THROUGH THESE THESE QUESTIONS A IS IF THERE'S COUNCIL SUPPORT TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY AS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, IT'S TIED IN WITH D, WHICH IS

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BUT I THINK A IS SILLY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY HIGH DENSITY. A IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING IN THAT ZONE. IN THE FUTURE. LAND USE MAP ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. A IS ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. YEAH. SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO MARK, DO YOU WANT TO GO UP THERE? SURE.

SO THE REASON FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF A MIX OF MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE. AS FAR AS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP GOES. SO WITH THE ZONE CHANGE.

THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO A HIGHER DENSITY BEYOND WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN IS CALLING FOR. SO TO GET TO ALIGN THE GENERAL PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITH THE ZONE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING FOR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS A RANGE OF TEN DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE UP TO 75. SO THEY WOULD BE KIND OF ON THE LOWER END OF THAT SPECTRUM. BUT AGAIN, AND THAT TIES IN WITH IRKS AND BRINGING THAT UP TO DATE AS WELL. HOW MANY UNITS WOULD FIT ON THAT PROPERTY IF IT WERE ZONED SIMPLE HIGH DENSITY. SIMPLE HIGH DENSITY. SO ARE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AN HDR ZONE OR. ZONE? I THINK LIKE THE CURRENT ZONE IS THE H FR ZONE, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. AND THAT ALLOWS FOR 18 UNITS PER ACRE, CORRECT. YEAH. I'M DOING GOOD WITH. ALL RIGHT. YOU DO THE MATH. I HOPE THAT WAS NINE ACRES TIMES 171. OKAY. 25 HOUSES IF YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK THAT YOU NOTICE A DIFFERENCE DRIVING THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD. IF IT'S 171 OR 196, I THINK IT LOOKS ABOUT THE SAME. I'M NOT GOING TO LOSE ANY SLEEP OVER 25 YEARS. 25 THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. 25 OVER THERE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 25 HERE. I KNOW, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE CITY. I THINK THAT, BUT I CAN ONLY DRIVE PAST A PIECE OF IT AT A TIME. I'M TELLING YOU, WHEN I DRIVE PAST THIS PIECE, IF IT'S 171 OR 196, IT'S GOING TO LOOK ABOUT THE SAME. BUT THAT THAT LOGIC WORKS BOTH WAYS. YES. I DON'T KNOW THAT I NOTICE IT WAS 171 AND NOT 196 EITHER. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I THINK THE DIFFERENCE YOU'LL NOTICE IS THE PARKING AND WHERE CARS END UP OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE NOTICED. JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS NO PARKING DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T PARK THERE. PEOPLE STILL PARK WHERE IT SAYS NO PARKING.

AND YES, THEY SOMETIMES GET A TICKET. OKAY, BUT. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. SO WE'LL. SO WITH A WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS AMONG COUNCIL? I'M FINE WITH IT. YEAH. I'M OKAY WITH A. YES. YEAH. AND THEN BE ADDING THE IOC. HOLD ON CINDY DID YOU GET EVERYONE. SO IT WAS IT'S NOT A VOTE. IT'S JUST IT'S NOT DOESN'T SHE KEEPS TRACK. THEY LIKE TO TRY TO DO IT IN THE MINUTES. OKAY.

BECAUSE YOU REALLY AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBERS JACOB HARRIS SHELTON AND LAURA. THANK YOU. THAT'S A DONE YOU ALL THE CITY COUNCIL SUPPORT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING MAP. ADDING INTERCHANGE OVERLAY ZONE TO THE CURRENT. NO ON THAT. AGAINST THAT AS WELL. YEAH. I HAVEN'T SEEN ENOUGH YET TO MAKE ME CHANGE THAT YET. JUST THREE SIX 6 TO 1. WHERE ARE YOU AT. I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT. I WANT TO KEEP IT. SO THAT'S SEVEN. NO THAT'S OKAY. CHANGE CHANGE. SO SIX AND ONE IS ONE. ALL RIGHT. AND. IS THE POINT RIGHT. OKAY. ANY SUPPORT GROUP OR APPROVAL OF THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THEY GAVE THE CHANGES WE'D LIKE

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FLESHED OUT CONCEPT PLAN. WITH NO BACK ALLEYS AND PARKING KIND OF BACK. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT COMING BACK MIGHT CHANGE THE B AND D TO THE REAR. LOADED. NO, I THINK I WAS NICE. YEAH. I THINK I THINK THE WORK WAS GOOD. CAN I ASK JUST A LITTLE CLARITY ON B? IT SOUNDED LIKE MAYBE IF THEY MAKE SOME CHANGES OR ADJUSTMENTS, IF THE DEVELOPER MAKES SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU WOULD. AT LEAST THAT'S HOW IT SOUNDED TO ME THAT IF THEY COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN MAYBE YOU WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IOZ, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

OR IS THAT SUPPORTIVE OF OKAY, SO I OH Z DOT OKAY. I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB. IT IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR HIGH DENSITY, BUT IT'S ALREADY. THAT HIGH IDENTITY, BUT NOT THAT HIGH. EXACTLY. OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S. MARK. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE STAFF NEEDED FROM US COUNCIL? OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. OUR NEXT TOPIC OF DISCUSSION IS OF THE 111 PHASE

[b. Discussion of Oneleven Phase 2 Rezone, Future Land Use Map Amendment, and Master Development Plan/Agreement]

SO THE INTEGRATED HOUSING ZONE, THAT'S WHAT EXISTS CURRENTLY ON PHASE ONE. AGAIN, BECAUSE THESE ARE KIND OF CONTIGUOUS PARCELS AS YOU LOOK OUT AT THEM FROM GRADE AND AND JUST ACCESS, WE THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO JUST KEEP THAT GOING. SO THAT'S THE HISTORY OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN.

WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY IS A LOT OF THIS AT THE LAST MEETING WAS NOT AS INTEGRATED AS YOU MIGHT SEE TODAY. THERE WAS MORE SINGLE FAMILY OVER HERE, HEAVIER WEIGHTED ON MULTIFAMILY ON THE SOUTH END. AND WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF, MET WITH A FEW OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS

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WE'VE BEEN GOING AWAY FROM THESE WEST SIDE PLANNING ORDINANCES. THE COUNCIL EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THE PAST OF NOT UTILIZING THOSE ANYMORE. SO PHYSICALLY GOING TO THE INTEGRATED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING, THE ONE EXISTING PROJECT HAS, AS WELL AS WHAT IS CAUSING YOUR HEARTBURN, IS PROPOSING. IF I MAY, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANT HD. IF YOU NOTICE DOWN BELOW, THE KIND OF PINK COLOR IS ACTUALLY COMMERCIAL. WE'RE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF HD. THAT PART OF THAT RAIL SPUR THERE. AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF HARPER'S HARPER'S PROPERTY THERE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE WENT WITH H EIGHT HD. AND THEN IT KIND OF FOLLOWS WHERE YOU HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL COMPONENT WITH RESIDENTIAL. JUST ONE LAST THING I WANTED TO TOUCH ON IS THE EXISTING 111 DENSITY, ABOUT 5.8 UNITS PER ACRE. HD ALLOWS UP TO 6.5. WITH THIS ADDITION, THE OVERALL. FOR PHASE ONE AND TWO DECREASES SLIGHTLY TO 5.78 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. SO THIS IS FIRMLY AT THE LOW END OF MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS BETWEEN 5 AND 10. SO THE RED AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT DENSITY RANGE AS WELL. A QUESTION FOR YOU IS, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS CHANGE IS POSITIVE NET POSITIVE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE THINGS BETTER, BECOME BETTER? I FEEL LIKE HD IS THE RIGHT ZONE HERE. I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND ALSO SOMETHING ELSE THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT. BUT THESE BLUE UNITS WHICH ARE IN HERE THAT ARE NOT ATTAINABLE HOUSING, THEY'RE ACTUALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGHOUT BY GOING TO HD, THAT'S GOING TO GET FIVE ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MODERATE INCOME, MODERATE INCOME. SO FROM 10 TO 15, THAT HELPS US MEET OUR MODERATE INCOME HOUSING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE STATE AS WELL. MODERATE INCOME HOUSING PLAN. SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT. SO THE HOUSES THAT ARE BLUE THERE WILL HAVE FORMICA COUNTERTOPS RIGHT.

THE GOOD THING IS, IS THEY'RE THE SAME LAYOUT AS EVERYTHING ELSE. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND BE LIKE, OH, THESE ARE THE MODERATE INCOME HOUSING ONES.

THESE ARE THE REGULAR ONES, RIGHT? THEY'RE GOING TO ALL LOOK THE SAME. SO AND COUNCIL MEMBER MODERATE INCOME HOUSING WILL BE ACTUAL UNITS, NOT ADUS SNUCK INTO THE BASEMENT. RIGHT.

VERY GOOD. I LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT. LOOKS GOOD. PROCEDURALLY, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THERE'S ALREADY A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE. WE WOULD PROPOSE AMENDING THOSE, UPDATING THE EXHIBITS TO CAPTURE THIS, UPDATING WHATEVER NUMBERS WE NEED TO. REALLY, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, A HEAD NOD ON THE LAND USE AND KIND OF HOW IT'S LAID OUT. AND THEN IT WOULD JUST GET INCORPORATED TO WHAT ALREADY EXISTS FOR THE PHASE ONE. I'M SORRY, BECAUSE MY DEVICE ISN'T WORKING, BUT ONE OF THESE, ONE OF THESE THINGS HAD A DETERMINANT OF A, OF A MANSION.

THAT'S IS THAT YOUR WISH? IT'S THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHERE'S THE THE RETAIL COMMERCIALS DOWN HERE. SO THIS IS ONE THAT I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT ALL THE LITTLE HOME THINGS. OKAY. NOW. YEAH. SO YOU'LL SEE THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL COMMERCIAL SITE. IT THERE'S THE OLD RAIL SPUR THAT CAME DOWN HERE. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACQUIRE SOME OF THAT. AND

[01:00:04]

SO YOU TOOK THIS WEIRD PIECE AND ADDED DOWN TO IT SOME ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL ALONG 7400 AND OFF OF U111. NOW YOU CAN SELL IT AT THE CANDY KITS. YES. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT IS.

YEAH. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO WITH THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S THERE. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU PUT THE PAPER TAG OFF THE TOP OF THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I LIKE IT. SO THIS ONE IS CALLED I. IHZH HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IHL WHICH IS INTEGRATED HOUSING. SOMETHING ELSE. IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT AGENCY FOR HOUSING.

SO SHE ALL THIS TIME I STILL. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? THEY GET WHAT THEY NEEDED. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. WELL, IT WAS JUST A GENERAL HEAD NOD. CAN YOU GO FORWARD JUST A COUPLE MORE. THIS IS WHY I STICK WITH. THOSE ARE TWO QUESTIONS, EXCEPT THE COUNCIL SUPPORT THE CHANGE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HERE TO MEDIUM DENSITY. AND YOU SUPPORT I, H, D AND THE CONCEPT PLAN PRESENTED. COOL. THANKS. THAT'S THE COUNCIL SUPPORT THE CHANGE. SEVEN ZERO. YEAH. ALL OF US ARE. AND DOES THE COUNCIL SUPPORT THE IDEA AND CONCEPT PLAN PRESENTED? YES. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER JACOB. YES, SIR. I SAID YES. DID YOU NEED HIS NAME? I GOT IT. OKAY. THANKS. WELL, FIRST NAME. I KNOW. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. YEAH.

THANK YOU. IT'S HARD TO COME UP. YEAH, THAT'S FOR THOSE. ALL RIGHT, SO MOVING ON TO THE

[c. Discussion of Harper Master Planned Community, Rezone, Future Land Use Map Amendment, and Master Development Plan/Agreement]

THEY'RE ALSO SHOWING 2.4, 2.14 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS THE OVERALL DENSITY IS JUST UNDER SIX UNITS PER ACRE. SO WHAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT IS 111 RIGHT UP HERE. SO HERE IS 70TH 74TH SHOWING THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT HERE PARKING 111 HERE. SO THAT KIND OF CONTINUES DOWN THROUGH HERE. AND WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO SATAR AND LET HIM KIND OF TALK WITH THE PROJECT AND FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND TALK TO PARIS AND THE ENGINEER AND PLANNER FOR THIS PROJECT. MR. HARPER HIMSELF IS HERE. HE'S THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, AND DOUG HANSEN IS THE CEO OF HARPER. SO WE ARE ALSO ASKING FOR IHD ZONE FOR THE SAME REASON THAT I WAS ANSWERED EARLIER. IT FITS THE SITE BETTER. OUR NEIGHBOR IS I.T. SO WE WANT TO BE IHD. AND IT APPEARS THAT THE PROJECT CAN FLOW TOGETHER. WE WERE IN THIS MEETING IN JULY AND THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT OUR SHORTCOMINGS OF THE PREVIOUS PLAN. WE HAD SOME OF THOSE ARE 22FT DRIVEWAYS. WE MEET THAT NOW. 22FT AND MODERATE HOUSING.

YES, WE PROVIDE THOSE THERE. SO WITH THE ACCESS THROUGHOUT, WE MIX THEM IN SO THEY ARE NOT ALL IN ONE SPOT. AND WE WOULD TOLD THAT WE HAD TOO MANY CONDOS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM. WE HAD ABOUT 216 STACKED CONDOS. WE NOW HAVE PULLED BACK. WE HAVE 108 STACKED CONDOS WITH PARKING ON THE ON THE FIRST LEVEL AND MORE INTEGRATED HOUSING, INCLUDING THE MANSION THAT YOU MENTIONED. WHEN YOU SAY CONDOS, DO YOU ACTUALLY MEAN CONDOS, NOT APARTMENTS? WELL, AT THIS

[01:05:04]

YES. WE'VE TRIED TO ALSO INTRODUCE VARIETY OF USES WITH THE SAME HOUSING FOOTPRINT, FOR EXAMPLE. AND YOU KNOW, THE SINGLE FAMILY, YOU SEE DIFFERENT COLORS FOR SINGLE FAMILIES AND THEY ARE LIKE DIFFERENT LEVELS. YOU TALK ON THE SLOPES. WE ARE USING THE TUCK UNDER GARAGES WITH THE SECOND LEVEL BACKYARD. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A A TYPE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT BOTH SIDE OF THE THE LOT FACES THE PUBLIC FACILITY, WHETHER IT'S A LINEAR PARK OR A STREET. SO OR BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND THE ALLEY AND THE STREET. SO BOTH SIDE NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHAT PRESENTABLE. AND WE ARE INTRODUCING TWO COTTAGE LOTS.

ONE OF THEM IS MORE PRIVATE BACKYARD AND, AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THROW YOUR STUFF IN THE BACKYARD. NOBODY WILL SEE IT. BUT THE OTHER ONE IS MORE PRESENTABLE. IT'S OPEN MORE, YOU KNOW, ON BOTH SIDES. AND IT'S MORE PERHAPS ADULT VERSUS FAMILIES WITH THE KIDS AND TOWNHOMES. ALI LOADED TOWNHOMES THROUGHOUT. WE'VE TRIED TO MIX THEM UP AS MUCH AS WE CAN. AND, AND STAFF HAS BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND HELPED US TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT CAME UP IN THE LAST MEETING WAS HOW WE COMMUNICATE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS IN TERMS OF CONNECTIVITY, PEDESTRIAN PARKS, AND AND WE DO. IF YOU COULD TAKE ONE OF THESE, MAYBE AN OVERALL EXHIBIT NUMBER ONE IN OUR PACKAGE WOULD BE PERFECT. THAT'S. NO. IT'S COOL.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT GOT PUT INTO THE. THAT'S OKAY. AND JUST PUT BACK THIS. WE ALL KNOW, AND I KNOW 111 HAS THEIR PARK FACILITIES HERE AND OPEN SPACE DETENTION POND. WE HAVE A SLOPE GOING UP. THIS IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY MONUMENTAL STEP. AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE 40 STEPS GOING UP THERE. A PLACE TO WORK OUT FOR SURE. AND LINEAR PARK THAT WILL CONNECT. 111 TO OUR PARK FACILITIES HERE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SIERRA HILL HAS A PARK FACILITY HERE. WE ARE USING THIS PARKING LOT AS A TRAILHEAD OR A PARKING TO GET INTO THESE PARK FACILITIES. WE WANT TO HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF USING THEIR FACILITIES. ALSO HAVE THEM USE OURS AND CONNECTIVITY WAS IMPORTANT AND WE HAVE. CITY PARK IN HERE. WE ARE CONNECTED TO THAT THROUGH TRAILS, AND ONE OF OUR EXHIBITS SHOW THAT. AND WE HAVE WIDENED SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE NORTH SIDE OF 74, SOUTH SIDE OF 70TH. WE ARE PLANNING ON EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK NOW. IF OUR NEIGHBORS DON'T, WE MAY PULL BACK TO FIVE FOOT. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. WE HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK AND CIRCULAR PARK AND IT TAKES UP FROM HERE TO A TRAIL TO THE PARK FACILITY. AND ALSO, OBVIOUSLY TWO EIGHT FOOT TRAILS, SIDEWALK GOING INTO A 111 AND ALSO SIERRA WEST. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE LINEAR PARK? YES. IS IT OUR HOMES GOING TO BE FACING THE LINEAR PARK? ARE THEY REAR LOADED OR. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S WHAT OUR TYPE TWO HOMES THAT YOU SEE HERE AND HERE. THE GARAGE IS GOING TO BE BACK HERE FROM THE STREET OF COURSE. AND BUT THERE WILL BE A NICE ENTRY FROM THE LINEAR PARK ALSO. WE HAVE EIGHT FOOT TRAIL SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE LINEAR PARK. AND. AND THAT'S ALSO GOING TO SERVE AS A WAY TO ENTER TO THESE PARKS. SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING SIX FOOT FENCES ON THE EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A REAR YARD, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF A ENTRY FROM THE PARK. WILL THERE BE STREET PARKING ON EITHER END OF THAT LINEAR PARK? IT WOULD BE. WHAT STREET PARKING? WELL, NO STREET PARKING. NO, NO. AS

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YEAH, 22 FOOT DRIVEWAYS THROUGHOUT. YEAH. THERE'S THIS LINEAR PARK IS NOT JUST THE LINEAR PARK FOR BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO HAVE A LINEAR PARK. THERE'S A FLOODWAY. THERE IS ULTIMATELY A, THERE'S A BIT, YOU KNOW, NOT A FEMA FLOODWAY, BUT IT'S AN EMERGENCY PASSAGE OF FLOOD WATER. WE OBVIOUSLY DESIGN EVERYTHING FOR 100 YEAR FLOWS, RAINFALL EVENTS, BUT THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT. IF THERE'S A ONE OF THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS AND THIS LINEAR PARK IS GOING TO FACILITATE THE FLOWS FROM OUR WEST SIDE INTO THE PARK AND OUT. SO WILL THE PARK BE RECESSED A LITTLE BIT? YES, YES, ABOUT 18IN. TWO FEET. THIS IS IMPORTANT HERE WITH HOW MUCH SLOPE WE HAVE IN THIS AREA COMING DOWN FROM 111, THAT WITH A CRAZY DAY EVENT WE DO NEED HAVE SOME WAY THAT I WE JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE A TRAPPED AREA. AND EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT SEE ANY FLOWS IN THAT, WE JUST LIKE THAT. SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT OPPORTUNITY AND MADE SOME PARK OUT OF IT. IT'S PRETTY WIDE. IT'S 8200FT WIDE. TAYLOR ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL. WHAT'S OVER THERE? ACROSS THE STREET. YEAH. THIS IS THOSE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN THE COUNTY THAT WE'LL BE ANNEXING. AND WE WENT AND VISITED. AND THAT'S AN OCCURRENCE CURRENTLY IT'LL BE IN WEST JORDAN IN HERE. SO. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER, WHY DO YOU REMEMBER SINCE WE WERE OUT THERE. IT SLOPED SIGNIFICANTLY OFF TO THE SOUTH FROM FROM THAT POINT. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY TOM I JUST WANTED TO BE A COMMERCIAL. IT'S SO ISOLATED FROM THE REST OF OUR DEVELOPMENT THAT. I LIKE COMMERCIAL. YES. I THINK THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL SITE PLAN. I LIKE, I LIKE, I KEEP THINKING THAT THAT'S A LAZY, LAZY RIVER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BIG PARK. WELL, I WANT TO MOVE A 100 YEAR FLOOD. YEAH. LESS LAZY. YEAH.

IT WAS ONE QUESTION THAT WE HAD AS STAFF. OH, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE MAP, ACTUALLY WE REALLY LIKE THIS. WE'VE WORKED A LOT WITH THEM, AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF INCORPORATING FEEDBACK WE'VE HAD. ONE THING IS THE ZONE HAS A PROVISION THAT THERE'S A MINIMUM SIZE FOR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. SOME OF THESE COTTAGE LOTS ARE SLIGHTLY UNDER THAT, SO THEY'RE LIKE 4300FT■!S WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIE FOR SINGLE FAMILY. LOT IS 4500FT■!S. SO WE JUST WANTED TO GET THE COUNCILS KIND OF TEMPERATURE ON THAT. IS THAT OKAY. OR DO THEY NEED TO MAKE THESE SLIGHTLY LARGER? IF THEY MAKE THEM SLIGHTLY LARGER THEY MIGHT LOSE 1 OR 2 LOTS. THEY'VE BEEN REALLY TRYING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST 50% OF THEIR UNITS ARE SINGLE FAMILY. IF THEY LOSE A COUPLE LOTS THERE, THEY MIGHT BE LIKE 49.999% SINGLE FAMILY. IS THAT SOMETHING THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH, OR IS IT A SLIGHTLY SMALLER COTTAGE LOT? SOMETHING THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH. WE WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK.

THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT YOU SAID WOULD HAVE A PRIVATE BACKYARD? YES. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I AM TRYING TO COUNT TO 12 THOUGH STARS AND I'M MISSING TWO STARS. THESE STARS. YEAH.

THOSE ARE. IT SAYS 12 MODERATE. YEAH. THOSE ARE 3%. 3% OF 400 IS 12. BUT I'M MISSING TWO.

WHERE ARE THEY? I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY. THEY'RE HIDDEN. OH, THEY'RE RIGHT HERE. YEAH, THEY'RE HIDDEN THERE. OH. AND THEN YOU GOT 23456. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. I DID THE SAME THING. IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO FIND THOSE TWO. AND THERE'S A REASON WHY THIS ROAD

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STATUE OF COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ AND ALL THE ROUNDUPS. HOW ABOUT SOME RAISED SIDEWALKS ALONG THE LINEAR PARK? RAISED. SORRY. RAISED CROSSWALKS WHERE IT'S CROSSING THE ROADS. EXPEDIENT CROSSWALKS. YEAH. RIGHT THERE. YEAH. AND THEN DOWN BY THE PARK. YEAH. JUST FOR TRAFFIC CALMING.

IS THAT WHAT? YEAH, IT'S RIGHT HERE. AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR TRAFFIC CALMING. IT'S FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S WHY YOU CALL TRAFFIC. YEAH. YOU ALSO ADDED SOME FEATURES HERE. SUBMITTED. LARRY WANTED US TO DO A CONNECTIVITY HERE. WE HAVE YOU KNOW WE'VE ADDED THAT IN NOW SIDEWALK NOT A. YEAH. WE CAN HAVE THOSE RAISED PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.

YEAH THAT'D BE NICE. YEAH. IT'S FUNNY YOU SAID THAT. AND I WAS THINKING SKYBRIDGES TO GOING BACK TO THE COTTAGE HOMES. DID WE GET A CONSENSUS ON BEING OKAY WITH THE 49.99? I THINK I THINK IT WAS A SLIGHTLY SMALLER. EITHER WAY, HOWEVER, THEY WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. I'D RATHER HAVE THAT. SO WE ARE NOT. SLIGHTLY SMALLER. LOTS. YES. YEAH. IT WAS ABOUT 200FT. WE THOUGHT ABOUT BEING CREATIVE AND DOING THIS OPEN SPACE IN THE LOT WITH THIS OPEN SPACE IS REALLY STEEP. AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY JUST BE, YOU KNOW, LINES LIKE, OH, THESE LOTS ARE BIG AND IT'S NOT USABLE. SO THEY JUST TOLD THE TRUTH ON WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE USABLE. YEAH. THANK YOU. DID YOU GET THE NAMES. I THINK I THINK WE GOT MORE THAN FOUR ON THE LOT SIZE BEING A LITTLE SMALLER. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF OR. IS A VERY, VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT I THINK IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. I THINK YOU'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB, LIKE FOR FUTURE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO US AND SAYS WE WANT INTEGRATED HOUSING, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT REALLY INTEGRATED. THIS IS YOUR. IS THERE A SLIDE FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE. YEAH.

EXCUSE ME, I'VE GOT A LITTLE PLUM. DOES COUNCIL FEEL THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT IS APPROPRIATE HERE? YES, YES. COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS. OH, YEAH. OKAY. SO SORRY. SORRY. YEP.

I'LL BE EASIER TO ASK IF ANYBODY'S OPPOSED. I THINK I WILL. OKAY. IS ANYONE OPPOSED TO THE HD? EXCUSE ME. HD ZONE. DOES IS THERE ANYONE OPPOSED TO THE LAYOUT PROPOSAL THAT'S BEING PRESENTED? AND ARE THERE ANY CHANGES THAT YOU'D RECOMMEND? I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER ROUNDABOUT WANTS RAISE. YES. RAISED PEDESTRIAN WALKS. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST RAISE CHAIRS. ROUNDABOUT. YEAH. YES. WELL, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN CALLED THAT. I LIKE IT. WERE THERE ANY WAS THERE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK THAT WE NEEDED TO GIVE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? AND WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT NUMBER FOUR FOR E D. B IS IRRELEVANT. OKAY. AND DOESN'T MATTER AT THIS POINT. OKAY. OKAY. NO THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. IS THERE ROOM FOR A COSTCO? THERE IS A VERY TALL, SKINNY ONE. YES. JUST. I KNOW THIS IS REALLY A CITY THING, BUT I DID HAVE A RESIDENT REACH OUT TO ME IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS.

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I KNOW THERE'S A CHURCH PLOT. I THINK IN WEST AND IN TERRAIN. SO THERE ARE THOSE PLANS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SCHOOLS. THAT'S NOT OUR DEPARTMENT. THE THIRD AND FINAL SITE PLAN REVIEW. IT WILL BE. THERE'S A THERE IS A SCHOOL SITE IN TERRAIN AS WELL. I THOUGHT THERE WAS OVER THERE. THANK YOU. WE WILL ALSO, WHEN THIS COMES BACK, ONE OF THE ENTITIES THAT WE NOTIFY. SO THEY MAKE THEIR PLANS BASED ON WHAT WE SEND TO THEM. SO THEY NEED TO ADJUST.

THEY'LL HAVE. THIS MIGHT BE SCHOOL DISTRICT AREA AND ACTUALLY. WE WE DID CHECK IT IS IT'S STILL JORDAN. IT'S NORTH OF 66 SOUTH JORDAN. YEAH. WE DOUBLE CHECKED THAT VERY SOUTH

[d. Discussion of Transition Plan for New Solid Waste Service Contract]

NEW CONTRACT CHANGES, SEASONAL CANS. GO YEAR ROUND RESTARTS. APRIL 1ST 27. THEN WEEKLY YEAR ROUND PICKUP STARTING JULY 1ST. WE'LL HAVE AN OPT OUT PROGRAM BECAUSE THE. THE GREEN CAN WILL BECOME A ADDITIONAL CAN. AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THE HAULER UNTIL AFTER JUNE 30TH. RIGHT. JUNE 30TH. YES. YEAH. IT'LL BE THE WEEKEND ALL MY YEARS FOR TEN IN THE SPRING. WE'VE HAD A YEAR ROUND. I WANT A YEAR ROUND. IT WILL BE YOU. YOU CAN HAVE IT YEAR ROUND. THURSDAY. SHE'S GOING TO GET IT DONE IN THE SPRING. WE'RE TAKING AWAY. OH WELL SHE. YOU HAVE TO CALL IN TO GET IT TAKEN AWAY ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT. NEW HAULER WILL BEGIN JULY 1ST, 2027. WASTE MANAGEMENT WILL TAKE OVER. IN SPEAKING WITH THEM, THEY PLAN ON KEEPING THE SAME ROUTES. UNLESS THEY SEE INEFFICIENCIES, THEN THEY MIGHT CHANGE. BUT THEIR PLAN IS JUST TO KEEP MAINTAINING. DON'T CHANGE MY DAY, MAN. THEY JUST WANT TO BE CHANGING. SO WE'RE DOING A PHASED APPROACH. WE LET THE RESIDENTS CHOOSE. SO THERE'S NO RATE SHOCK GETTING THE RFP BACK. AND THEN BEST AND FINAL. WE GOT SOME GOOD BIDS BACK THAT YOU GUYS WILL LIKE IT I THINK SO. NO HOUSEHOLDS WILL PAY MORE UNTIL OCTOBER 2027. THIS CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SAVINGS IF HOUSEHOLDS CHOOSE TO REDUCE THEIR NUMBER OF CANS, BASIC SERVICE IS GOING TO BE TWO CANS FROM HERE ON OUT. ALL RIGHT. DECEMBER 1ST. STARTING DECEMBER 1ST. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THIS IS UP TO COUNCIL ON HOW YOU WANT TO SET THIS UP. THIS IS JUST OUR PROPOSAL. RIGHT NOW, OUR BASE SERVICE COVERS THREE CANS. A BLACK CAN, A GREEN CAN AND A BLUE CAN. 2472 STARTING DECEMBER 1ST OF 26, WE'RE GOING TO START THE OPT OUT PROGRAM. AND THE BASE, THE BASE SERVICE WILL BE TWO CANS, WHICH WILL BE A BLUE CAN AND A BLACK CAN AT $20. AND THEN THE SEASONAL CAN, IF YOU CHOOSE TO KEEP YOUR SEASONAL CAN, ADDITIONAL CAN OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT HAD LIKE EIGHT NAMES NOW. SO IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT, IT'LL BE FOR 72. SO THE RATES AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? BUT WE'RE

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BUT NOW. BUT NOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SEEING THAT RIGHT WHEN THEY'RE NOT GETTING IT PICKED UP. SO NOW I SEE THAT I'M ACTUALLY BEEN PAYING THIS WHOLE TIME FOR A CAT THAT'S ONLY PICKED UP SEVEN MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, WHATEVER IT IS, EIGHT MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.

AND NOW I, AND NOW I KNOW THAT I'M PAYING X AMOUNT MORE, RIGHT. BUT I ALREADY HAVE BEEN. BUT NOW I KNOW THAT I'M PAYING MORE FOR SOMETHING THAT NOW I'M NOT GETTING. AND I'M BEING TOLD THAT RIGHT WHEN I'M NOT GETTING IT. AND THEN. AND THEN I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET IT AND PAY FOR IT THE SAME AMOUNT, ONLY I'LL GET IT ALL YEAR. I THINK I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO LEAVE IT AT THE SAME RATE THAT WE'RE PAYING ANYWAY, UNTIL THE END OF OUR CONTRACT, AND START EDUCATING PEOPLE AND THEN LET THEM KNOW. THE GOOD NEWS IS, IF THEY DON'T WANT A SEASONAL CAN, THEY CAN JUMP DOWN TO 21. BUT IF WE DO THAT ON A BILL, THAT'S GOING TO JUST BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT IS IF THIS STARTS IN DECEMBER AND THEY DON'T WANT THE SEASONAL CAN, THEY CAN TURN IT IN STARTING IN DECEMBER. WHY WOULD I TURN IT IN IF IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE ME THE SAME AND YOU GET A DISCOUNT JUNE 30TH. NO, NO, NO, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS STARTING IN DECEMBER, IF YOU DON'T WANT THE SEASONAL CAN, YOU CAN TURN IT IN AND YOUR BILL WOULD DROP TO $20 A MONTH. OKAY. SO WHY WOULD ANYBODY NOT DO THAT AND JUST ORDER IT BACK UP COME JULY OR WHENEVER THEY CAN, IF THEY RE-ORDER, RE-ORDER IT FOR A YEAR, THAT'S THE MINIMUM REQUIRED, RIGHT? BUT WHEN YOU'RE TURNING IT OFF, ARE YOU UNOBLIGATED FOR A YEAR? NO, YOU CAN TURN IT BACK ON. SO YOU COULD SAY, I'M TURNING IT IN IN DECEMBER AND THEN NEXT JULY ASK FOR IT AGAIN. EVERYBODY IN THEIR DOG IS, WELL, NOT EVERYBODY. THEIR DOG, SMART PEOPLE AND THEIR DOGS ARE GOING TO OPT OUT ON DECEMBER 1ST. AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PICK UP ALL THE CANS. OR THEY JUST CAN'T PUT IT OUT AND THEY'RE GONNA LET THEM KEEP IT AND THEY JUST CAN'T PUT IT OUT, WHICH THEY CAN'T PUT IT OUT ANYWAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO PICK THEM ALL UP AND THEN GO DROP THEM ALL BACK OFF FOR THOSE THAT WANT THEM START BACK UP. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE SAYING THAT I DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE SEASONAL CAN IN DECEMBER, LET'S JUST SAY IN JANUARY, WHICH IT CAN'T BE PICKED UP ANYWAY. WHY WOULD ANYBODY CHOOSE TO PAY FOR IT AND NOT EVER HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE IT? BECAUSE IF YOU HAVEN'T PICKED UP AND YOU WANT IT REDELIVERED, IT WILL BE 650 A MONTH INSTEAD OF 472.

LIKE THE RATE WILL CHANGE WHEN IT'S AN ADDITIONAL CAN AFTER IT'S PICKED UP FOR 72 IS A DISCOUNTED RATE. IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR CAN. RIGHT. BUT IS EVERYBODY GOING TO THE 650 THOUGH? YEAH. JUST KEEP GOING AND WE'LL SHOW YOU. BUT THE IDEA WAS TO GIVE EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE DISCOUNT STARTING IN DECEMBER. IF THEY CHOOSE. IT WOULD ALSO BE NOT PROLIFERATING THREE CANS OF BASE SERVICE FOR EVERYBODY THAT GETS SERVICED BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE. SO WE'RE MAKING THE PROBLEM BIGGER FOR SEVEN MONTHS, LIKE FOR NEW ACCOUNTS. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO LET YOU KEEP GOING. BUT SO YOU CAN SEE TODAY 2472 YOU GET THREE CANS SEASONAL CANS. GARBAGE IS 1519 AND RECYCLING IS 761, 24, 72ND DECEMBER FIRST OF 2026. $20 IS THE BASE RATE FOR TWO CANS OF BLACK, TAN AND A BLUE CAN. THE SEASONAL CAN WILL BE $4.72 IF THEY CHOOSE TO OPT OUT AND THEN WANT IT BACK, IT'LL BE 650. THE FLAT RATE IS GOING TO BE 650 REGARDLESS OF THE COLOR OF THE TAN, AND THAT STARTS ON DECEMBER 1ST. CORRECT. WHICH IS STILL 2472. BUT ON DECEMBER 1ST, WOULD THAT ADDITIONAL CAN BE ABLE TO BE PICKED UP? NO, NO.

SO WHO WOULD DO THAT. THE GREEN BECAUSE THE GREEN CANS GO OUT OF SERVICE. HOLD ON THE EXTRA COUNT. OKAY. SO IF SOMEBODY HAS 472 ON A BILL, THE GREEN CAN YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S NO SERVICE BETWEEN DECEMBER 1ST AND APRIL. BUT IF THEY HAVE A CAN DELIVERED TO THEIR HOUSE,

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STARTING DECEMBER 1ST, I CAN OPT TO NOT HAVE THE GREEN CAN, WHICH I DON'T HAVE ANYWAY BECAUSE I CAN'T USE IT. SO I CAN SAY, TAKE IT BACK AND I'LL SAY MY. 472 RIGHT. AND THEN WHEN I NEED THIS, THE SECOND CAN COME APRIL, I CAN CALL UP AND ORDER IT BACK UP. AND NOW IT'LL BE 650. YES. BUT IN JULY IT'S GOING TO BE 650 ANYWAY. FOR OCTOBER 1ST. NEXT YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE 650 ANYWAY. SO. SO WHY WOULD I NOT WANT TO TURN IT IN? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING.

WE'RE HOPING FOR THEM TO TURN THEM IN. BUT WAIT, ARE THEY GOING TO BE NEXT APRIL? THEIR RATE WILL IT'LL STAY AT 472. IF THEY KEPT THE IF THEY KEPT THE GREEN CAN, IT WILL STAY AT 472 UNTIL JULY 1ST. PAY THEM $1.80 FOR CAN STORAGE, AND THEN IN JULY 1ST IT WILL GO UP TO 650.

BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING WEEKLY SERVICE. YOU MEAN OCTOBER 1ST OR JULY 1ST? JUST SAYS OCTOBER 1ST, NOVEMBER 1ST. CHANGING ON JULY 1ST. IS NOT MAKING SENSE TO ME. WILL GET PICKED UP FROM APRIL THROUGH JULY, RIGHT FOR 472. YES, AS LONG AS YOU KEPT IT AND PAID 472 FROM DECEMBER TO APRIL. CORRECT. IT'LL ACTUALLY STAY FOR 72 MORE IN 2024, 72 FOR FOUR MONTHS.

THAT'S MORE THAN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 472 AND $652.78 THAT I THEN SAVED FROM APRIL TO OCTOBER. PROBABLY KIND OF WORKS OUT IN THE WASH. I GOTCHA WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS INCENTIVIZE SLOW PICKUP OF THE GREEN CANS. THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S THE THAT SLOW. WELL, IT'S JULY 1ST. IT'S IT WOULD BE IT WAS ALL JULY 1ST. INSTEAD OF SAYING IN DECEMBER 1ST, WHEN PEOPLE AREN'T USING THEM ALREADY, WE COULD START PICKING THEM UP BECAUSE THEY WANT A DISCOUNT ON THEIR ON THEIR GARBAGE SERVICE. AND THEN IF THEY DECIDE THEY WANT EXTRA, AN EXTRA CAN, THEN THEY'RE PAYING. WHY WOULDN'T THEY ALL DECIDE IN DECEMBER? I MEAN, IF I'M GOING TO HAVE IT PICKED UP, I'M GOING TO HAVE IT PICKED UP IN DECEMBER. I'M NOT GOING TO WAIT TILL FEBRUARY. THEY COULD.

THEY COULD IF I COULD SAVE. SO IF SOMEONE ON DECEMBER 1ST CANCELED THAT $4.72 SEASONAL CAMP, RATHER THAN KEEPING IT ALL THE WAY TO OCTOBER 1ST AT 472 RATE. BUT THEN IN APRIL, LIKE APRIL 1ST, THEY CALLED IN AND SAID, HEY, I WANT AN ADDITIONAL CAN AND CHARGED THEM $6.50. THAT WOULD BE $39 FROM THEN UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST. THEY KEPT A SEASONAL CAN FROM DECEMBER 1ST TO OCTOBER 1ST WOULD BE $47 AND CHANGE. SO IT'S ONLY A DIFFERENCE OF $8.

IF YOU DID, IF YOU CALLED IN AND SAID ON DECEMBER 1ST, I DON'T WANT MY SEASONAL CAN ANYMORE, YOU CEASE TO CHARGE YOU. BUT ON APRIL 1ST THEY CALLED IN AND SAID, HEY, I WANT ANOTHER. ANOTHER CAN. NOW IT WOULD BE $39 FOR THAT CAN THROUGH OCTOBER 1ST. SO YOU'RE REALLY ONLY SAVED BY CALLING IN ON DECEMBER 1ST, 650 PER MONTH. YEAH, IT ONLY SAVED YOU 89%. I WAS TRYING TO GET IN MY HEAD, BUT IT'S $8. YOU RAISE PROPERTY TAX BY $3 AND PEOPLE FREAK OUT.

SO YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT IT ONLY SAVES $8 OVER THAT TIME PERIOD THROUGH OCTOBER 1ST, I'LL SAVE YOU $8 AND COST THE CITY A LOT. SHOULD WE? WELL, WE'LL KEEP GOING. AND THEN I WANT TO ASK I WANT TO ASK THE COUNCIL A QUESTION. DO WE HAVE DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH. SO OCTOBER 1ST, 2027. YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT GOES. 20 ADDITIONAL IS GOING TO BE 650, WHICH IS 7.2%.

THAT GOES UP A BUCK EVERY YEAR UNTIL 2029. AND YEAH, I'M THE SEASONAL CAP. YEAH. HOUSEHOLD.

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THAT'S THE PROPOSAL. THE THIRD THING WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS FEE STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF MINIMIZING THE IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS, IS NOT CREATE A TIDAL WAVE OF CAN TURN INS TO PUBLIC WORKS TO HAVE A A CERTAIN PERCENT OF THE RESIDENTS, YOU WANT TO GO FROM THREE CANS. TWO CANS. CHOOSE THAT, BUT NOT HAVE IT BE ALL AT ONCE AND OVERWHELM. AND SO THE SAVINGS RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT AN INCREASE. WE FEEL LIKE THE CONSUMER IS A LITTLE MORE PRICE PRICE SENSITIVE TO INCREASES THAN THEY ARE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF DECREASES. AND SO THEREFORE THE TURN IN RATE. WELL, WE THINK THERE WILL BE SOME BECAUSE YOU'LL SAVE FOR 72 RIGHT AT THE START. AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO TURN IN LATER, YOU WOULD SAVE 650. THAT YOU HAVE TO OPT IN TO TURNING IN A CAN, BUT THERE'LL BE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE HOUSEHOLDS THAT SAY, MY BILL IS NOT GOING UP. I'LL JUST KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS FOR NOW, BUT BE ON YOUR LIST. JUST COME GET IT. I KNEW YOU'D SAY THAT OUT RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW. FIRST ONE PICKUP.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ONE LESS CAM IN MY YARD. I DIDN'T SEE YOU WRITE THAT DOWN. I HAVE.

ALRIGHT, SO THIS THIS WILL LAY IT OUT DEPENDING ON HOW WE ADJUST THE RATE. THIS IS WE WE SET THE KNOB AT 24, 72. THERE'S OPTIONS HERE. AND IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS HOW YOU WANT TO HAVE IT LAID OUT. THE LOWER THE BASE RATE INCREASES, THE SEASONAL CAN RATE, RIGHT. AND THE RAISE THE BASE RATE DECREASE. THE SEASONAL CAN RATE. IF YOU LOWER THE BASE RATE, LARGER SAVINGS FOR HOUSEHOLDS THAT TURN INTO SEASONAL CAN PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE RETURN CANS TO STORE AND RECYCLE. THE BASE RATE WOULD NEED TO INCREASE ON OCTOBER 1ST TO 27. AND THEN WHEN THE SEASONAL CAP TRANSITIONS INTO ADDITIONAL CAN, THE PRICE CHANGE WOULD BE SMALLER ON YOUR KNOBS. YOU'RE SAYING IF WE TURNED 1 TO $21, THEN THE OTHER ONE GOES TO THE LEFT? YEAH. YES, THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT. THAT IS NOT REALLY PUT IN THERE ONE ONE WAY. YOU MOVE THE OTHER, THE OTHER. YEAH. THEY DON'T MOVE. THEY DON'T MOVE THE SAME.

THEY HAD PATRICK. YEAH, I KNOW PATRICK SCOTT'S GOOD AT THAT. YEAH. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER DOOR SAYING YOU TURN IT TO THE LEFT, IT'S GOING TO LESS SAVINGS FOR HOUSEHOLDS THAT TURN INTO SEASONAL CAN FEWER RETURN CANS. TO STORE AND RECYCLE YOUR BASE RATE WOULD STAY CONSISTENT THROUGH OCTOBER 1ST OF 2029. SEASONAL CAN TRANSITIONS TO AN ADDITIONAL CAN. THE PRICE CHANGE WOULD BE LARGER FROM THE ADDITIONAL. FOR EVERY TWO FAMILY HOME WOULD RATHER MOVE TO THE LEFT AND NOT CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE HAVING TO MOVE TO THE RIGHT. SO I MET TWO PEOPLE AT HOME AND I THINK JUST KEEPING THEM HEALTHY GOT THEM.

YEAH, AND I AGREE. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO LEAVE THEM. YEAH, YEAH. TO KEEP IT WHERE IT IS NOW AND CHANGE COUNCIL. YEAH. ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE PRIME QUESTIONS AND BASE ASSUMPTIONS WE WERE MAKING IN THIS IS WE WANT TO JUST MIGRATE FROM OUR CURRENT SUM OF 2472 TO A COMBINED SUM. THAT'S STILL 2472. SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING RAISING OR LOWERING THE TOTAL RIGHT NOW,

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BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD WAS YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BLACK CAN REGARDLESS. NO, IF YOU'RE IF YOU CALL FOR AN ADDITIONAL GARBAGE CAN, IT'LL BE BLACK. OKAY. BUT YOU CAN'T SAY I WANT AN ADDITIONAL, YOU CAN STILL GET AN ADDITIONAL. AND THAT'LL BE 650. YEAH. PERFECT. OKAY.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BREAK YOUR OWN. I STILL BREAK IT DOWN. YOU LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS SCREEN FOR A MOMENT. PIGGYBACK. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT BEYOND 2029 AND WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY OR WILL HAPPEN? THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP GOING UP BECAUSE THE DUMP IS MOVING. YEAH THAT'S IT RIGHT.

2030 2031 TAX INCREASE. IS IT JUST GOING TO FOLLOW THAT SAME PATTERN EACH YEAR? WELL, THE CONTRACT HAS 5% CPI MAXIMUM. YEAH. THEY CAN ONLY THEY CAN ONLY GO UP TO 5% BASED ON CPI ON THEIR CONTRACT. AND WE BUDGET 5% EACH YEAR. YEAH. WELL SO THE TWO MAIN DRIVERS OF THE COST FOR SOLID WASTE IS THE CARRIER CONTRACT, WHICH IS LIMITED TO 5% INCREASES. BUT WE'LL GO UP 5%. AND THEN THE COSTS OF THE TIPPING FEES AT THE AT THE TRANSFER STATION OR THE LANDFILL. AND THAT ONE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNKNOWN TIPPING. SO THE 7.2% AND THE 7.5%, THOSE ARE TO RECOUP INCREASED COSTS THAT WE ARE DEFERRING. OKAY. AVOID STICKER SHOCK. YES. YEP. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND YOU SEE THAT GOING UP A DOLLAR AND THEN GOING UP $0.50. ARE YOU ON THE LANDFILL. YOU'RE ON. YEAH. PAUL. ARE THEY WHAT ARE THEY PREDICTING NOW FOR END OF LIFE 2032. THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO START COMPILING THE RFP TO GO OUT TO DESIGN FOR THIS TRANSFER STATION THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT AT. THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT DIFFERENT, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT TOO MUCH, BECAUSE THIS ONE WORKS REALLY WELL. IF THEY. MIGHT BE SOME TWEAKS. BUT. ALL RIGHT. IT DOES WORK WELL.

YES, YES. COUNCIL, I WANT TO POINT OUT ONE OTHER THING. CAN YOU GO TO THE THE DIALS. YEAH.

THE DIALS. THANK YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE MORE WE KEEP THE BASE RATE HIGH. HERE, IF WE KEEP THE BASE RATE HIGHER TO $21, WE CAN HOLD THAT STEADIER FOR LONGER.

IF WE LOWER IT DOWN, WE WOULD NEED TO CHANGE IT MORE QUICKLY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR. WE TRIED TO STRIKE THE BALANCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO AT $20 FOR THE BASE RATE, WHICH GIVES US CONSISTENCY ON THAT BASE RATE THROUGH ALL THE WAY THROUGH UNTIL OCTOBER. BUT IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY. IT DOESN'T GO DOWN. IF WE GO TO $21, WE COULD GO EVEN LONGER WITHOUT RAISING THAT BASE RATE. WE WENT TO 21. NOW WE COULD PROBABLY KEEP IT AT 21 AND ALL THE WAY TILL THE END OF 2029. OCTOBER. YEAH, YEAH. SO THIS IS REALLY ONE OF YOUR ONE OF THE POLICY QUESTIONS WE HAVE FOR YOU IS WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO. OR WOULD YOU PREFER, WOULD YOU PREFER TO ADJUST THOSE DIALS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? I LIKE THE WAY THE DIALS ARE NOW. I FEEL LIKE IT IT, IT GIVES PEOPLE THE OPTION AND SHOWS THEM WHAT WHAT THE SEASONAL CAN. AND, AND WE KNOW WE HAVE TO CONTINUALLY INCREASE BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE AT OUR CURRENT LANDFILL. SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE. WE ALL KNOW THAT. BUT THEN THEY COMPLAIN AS SOON AS

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SO YEAH, WHERE WHERE'S THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL LAND? I LIKE 20, I LIKE 20, I'M GOOD WITH 20. I MEAN, I, I SEE THE GREAT SENSE OF. 21 I'M GOOD WITH 2100 GREAT SENSE. I LIKE.

21 I LIKE 26 HE STILL WANTS HIS. THREE OH MY GREEN CANDY. HE'S STILL MAD. HE CAN KEEP IT. ALL THIS CONFUSION OF RATES AND STUFF. AND WE COULD HAVE JUST KEPT ALL THREE, BUT OKAY, SO SEE, I JUST, I JUST PUT IN FAKE FAKE GRASS SO I DON'T NEED A THIRD ONE ANYMORE EVER AGAIN.

AND I NEED THAT $4 TO PAY FOR. SOME PEOPLE DON'T NEED RECYCLING AND RECYCLING. SO IT GOES BOTH WAYS. COUNCIL, CAN I ASK I, I HESITATE TO DO THIS, IT'S KIND OF ON THE FLY, BUT BASED ON THIS HERE, NO, BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION, ZACH RAISES A GOOD POINT. RIGHT. WHAT'S TO STOP A RESIDENT FROM TURNING THE THIRD CAN INTO A SEASONAL USE? I'M GOING TO TURN IT IN IN THE WINTER, AND I'M GOING TO CALL FOR IT IN THE SUMMER. AND THAT'S A LOT OF STAFF BACK AND FORTH. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN THEY ARE. YES, THIS IS ON YOU. SHOULD WE WOULD YOU SUPPORT A DELIVERY FEE? YOU CAN YOU CAN HAVE THE THIRD CAN COST US 10 OR $20 TO DELIVER IT. AND THEN THE MONTHLY RATE STARTS SO THAT WE DISINCENTIVIZE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT. THE BACK AND FORTH OF A THIRD CAN KIND OF MAKING IT A DEFAULT SEASONAL CAN PICK UP FEE. WHEN THEY ASKED FOR ACCOUNT, THEY REQUIRED TO KEEP IT FOR A YEAR. WE WON'T PICK IT UP OR THEY'LL GET CHARGED FOR THE YEAR. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A ONE YEAR, KIND OF A ONE YEAR MINIMUM. WHEN YOU GET THE CAN YOU GET IT FOR A DO THE ONE YEAR MINIMUM AND THE PICKUP FEE.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK. PICKUP FEE OR DELIVERY FEE. DELIVERY FEE. DELIVERY FEE. YEAH. YES. WOULD YOU JUST LIKE A $10 DELIVERY FEE. WOULD YOU SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? COULD WE DO IT ONLY AFTER THE FIRST TIME? IS IT REALLY $10 TO DELIVER A CAMP? PROBABLY. PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT WITH STAFF TIME AND YEAH. AND ON THE TRUCK DELIVERY ON TWO CANS AT THE SAME CHARGE.

THE ORIGINAL CONDITION. OKAY. BUT IF WE'RE CHARGING THAT, CAN THEY COME PICK IT UP? IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY THE DELIVERY FEE? THERE'S STILL ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS WITH CHANGING THE ACCOUNTS AND SO ON. SO NO, AND I THINK WE WOULD PREFER TO DELIVER THE CAN TO THE SITE TO KNOW IT'S ENDING UP AT THE SITE WHERE THE BILL IS TO KEEP THE GREEN CAN. IT'S GOING TO STAY GREEN, BUT IT'LL BECOME A BLACK CAN IN A YEAR. YEAH. AND THEY'LL KEEP PICKING UP THE GREEN CAN LIKE IT'S A BLACK CAN. YES. IT CAN IDENTIFY. IT'S ALREADY BEEN A BLACK CAN.

THEY ALREADY KNOW IT GOES WITH IDENTIFYING AS A BLACK CAN FOR TWO YEARS NOW. YEAH. OKAY. SO DELIVERY FEE OR NO DELIVERY FEE. YES. SMALL DELIVERY SMALL DELIVERY FEE. I THINK THE MAJORITY OF YOU ARE GETTING THE THUMBS UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. $20. ALL RIGHT. HERE'S OUR

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SO. OKAY THEN. SO TEN, TEN, TEN NUMBER AVERAGING JUST CORBYN THREW OUT A HIGHER NUMBER AT ONE POINT. SO I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO BRING HIS NUMBER BACK. AND I KNOW HE CAN BE INFLUENTIAL IN THIS BUILDING. CORBYN. YES. LARRY ASKED A QUESTION WHICH I THINK IS GOOD FOR THE COUNCIL LIKE THIS AS WELL. SO FOR THE ADDITIONAL TEN AND $6 FOR EACH ADDITIONAL CAN, IS IT $6? SO IF THEY'VE GOT 26, 56, SIX TIMES, UNLESS THEY'RE ON BLACK SOMETHING OR OTHER, AND THEN IT'S 26. AND SO THE QUESTION IS THE THIRD CAN IT IS THE SECOND, FOURTH, FIFTH, SIXTH. YEAH.

THAT'S A $10 CHARGE. THERE'S SOMEBODY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I GET QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE CITY I WORK, THEY WANT SIX COUNTS, SIX. SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT BECAUSE THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PROPERTIES. AND SO WE HAVE A LIMIT PER HOUSEHOLD. BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE. MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A LIMIT. HOW DO YOU FEEL, COUNCIL? LIKE, WOULD YOU RATHER SEE THAT ADDITIONAL. CAN. AN ADDITIONAL RECYCLING CAN BE GROW AFTER THE THIRD ONE. IF SOMEONE HAS A FOURTH OR FIFTH. I'M WONDERING IF WE LIMIT OURSELVES TO TWO CANS. DOES DOES OUR COST GO UP IF THERE'S MORE. BECAUSE TIPPING FEES. ONE CAN. AND IF THEY'RE PUTTING OUT TEN CANS FOR ONE HOME, WE DON'T DO ANY HOMES GET ONE THREE ADDITIONAL HOMES. REALLY? YEAH. AND WE PAY THE TIPPING FEES. AND THE 650 ONLY COVERS THE TWO EXTRA CANS.

GARBAGE. VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. YEAH, BUT I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IT ESCALATE? AFTER THE 650 IS ABOUT A COST COVERING FEE. COST RECOVERY AMOUNT. THAT'S IT.

SO WE CAN RECOVERY ACCOUNT TO HAVE IT PICKED UP OR INCLUDING THE TIPPING FEE AND TIPPING FEE.

OKAY. IT'S THE MARGINAL ADDED COST OF THE TIPPING FEE AND HAULING FEE. RIGHT. IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO AS FAR AS WHAT, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL CANS, LIKE 5 OR 6 COUNTS? I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT. THERE ARE NOT PEOPLE THAT HAVE FIVE, SIX, SEVEN CANS.

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AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK ON THE OCTOBER 27TH MEETING TO AMEND THE FEE SCHEDULE AND GET YOUR PAPERWORK DISCUSSED, DISCUSSED TODAY. GOT IT. ALL DONE. I JUST GOTTA HIT THE BUTTON. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? AS THE PRICE OF ASPHALT THESE DAYS. WE'RE DOING GOOD SO FAR. COUNCIL, WE WANT TO BRING THIS BACK AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. TO AMEND THE FEE SCHEDULE SO THAT ONCE IT'S OFFICIAL, MARIE CAN START COMMUNICATING. WHEN IT WILL TAKE EFFECT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE MARIE A RUN A COMMUNICATIONS RUNWAY IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER 11TH. OKAY. I WON'T BE HERE ON DECEMBER 1ST. I DON'T WANT THAT. I'LL HAVE IT PUT OUT TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE. YOU'LL BE THE FIRST ONE WE PICKED UP. BRIAN WILL BE AT YOUR DOOR. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE OPPOSED TO. AND I'M NOT CLEANING UP FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU WANT US TO VOTE ON IT IN THE MEETING ON THE 22ND. IS THERE ANYONE OPPOSED? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THAT CAN BE ADDED. CHAD. ARE YOU? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR FEELINGS ON THIS. AND FOR 472, YOU CAN KEEP IT. COUNCILMEMBER. YOU'RE WELCOME. IT'S THE SAME PRICE YOU PAID FOR THE LAST YEAR. CHAD, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS? BUT IT'S ALL IN HALLOWEEN COSTUMES. OKAY.

TAKE CARE. WELL. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. OKAY. OUR NEXT DISCUSSION IS REGARDING

[e. Discussion of Proposed Amendments to Title 6, Chapter 3B, Section 5 – Revocation of Dog License]

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JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT ALWAYS AT THE BOTTOM, I DON'T KNOW. THAT MUST BE THE TICKET.

LIKE LETTING THE DEVELOPERS GO HOME. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, DAN, THIS IS DAN, ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER DAN, AND I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SOME ISSUES THAT THEY'VE HAD WITH SOME PROBLEM DOGS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE CODE THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO USE, FOUND IT CUMBERSOME, FOUND IT PROBABLY JUST DOESN'T FIT WHAT OUR CURRENT PROCESSES ARE. SO WE'VE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU TODAY. BUT THIS ONE, IT'S NOT WORKING.

COULD YOU SAY, OH, THIS ISN'T WORKING? OH, WALTER GIVE ME A CLICK. THERE WE GO. DOG OWNERSHIP LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT, RIGHT? NOT ALL DOG OWNERSHIP IS THE SAME. WE. WE HAVE. I LOST CONTACT. NO, WE HAVE GOOD OWNERS. WE HAVE BAD OWNERS. IT RESULTS IN IN GOOD DOG EXPERIENCES. BAD DOG EXPERIENCES FOR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. WALTER. THERE'S BEEN DIFFERENT SITUATIONS THAT ANIMAL CONTROL'S ENCOUNTERED THAT HAS KIND OF BROUGHT THIS ABOUT DOGS RUNNING LOOSE, NEIGHBORHOOD CHASING KIDS, DOGS BITING AND ATTACKING OTHER DOGS, DOGS LEFT IN UNSANITARY OR UNSAFE CONDITIONS. ONE PARTICULAR HOME THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH RECENTLY, ALMOST 15 DIFFERENT INSTANCES OF ANIMAL CONTROL INVOLVEMENT, SOMETIMES LIKE SUCCESSIVE DAYS, WHERE THEY'RE HAVING TO COME OUT AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HANDLE THE SITUATION. SO FAR, NO DOGS AND AIRPLANES CAUSING HAVOC. BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. RECOGNIZE THE DOG ANYWAY. WE WE HAVE SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKET. GOOD. THE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS REALLY TRY TO DO THESE THREE THINGS. CLARIFY REALLY CLEARLY FOR THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS AND OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. WHAT TYPES OF ACTS MIGHT RESULT IN A REVOCATION OF THE DOG LICENSE. THE OTHER. HAVE A STUPID QUESTION, PROBABLY, BUT I DON'T CARE IF YOU TAKE MY DOG'S LICENSE AWAY. DOES THAT TAKE MY DOG AWAY? IT DOES. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO OWN A DOG. YOU YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LICENSE YOUR DOG FOR A FEW REASONS, WHICH WE ACTUALLY WERE TALKING ABOUT. BUT DAN CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT BECAUSE HE'S THE EXPERT HERE. YEAH. I MEAN, CURRENTLY THE THERE'S A REQUIREMENT IN MOST JURISDICTIONS TO LICENSE YOUR YOUR DOG REGISTRATION THROUGH THE CITY MONITORS, RABIES VACCINATIONS FOR PUBLIC HEALTH OVERALL DOES PROVIDE SOME REVENUE TO THE CITY ALONG THE WAY. SO THIS ORDINANCE IS IS WORDED THIS WAY HAS BEEN FOR DECADES. IT IS PRETTY SIMILAR TO MOST ORDINANCES. MOST CITIES. IT'S CALLED REVOCATION LICENSE, BUT IT REALLY COULD BE TERMED REVOCATION OF OWNERSHIP. FOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF THIS DISCUSSION HERE TODAY, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THIS IS A SNEAKY QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW THE ANSWER. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF DOGS IN THE CITY DO YOU THINK ARE LICENSED? RIGHT. IT'S A LOW PERCENTAGE THAT WE. AND IT'S HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY DOGS ARE IN THE CITY, RIGHT? AND SO IT RANGES ANYWHERE. IT COULD BE SEVEN UP TO 11%. SO IT IS LOW. BUT OF COURSE HOW MANY OF THE BAD DOGS ARE LICENSED.

AND TYPICALLY IT'S CLOSE TO IT'S CLOSE TO ZERO WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THESE PROBLEMATIC HOUSES. SO SO I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES WITH THAT. AND IT THAT WORD DROPS INTO THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT'S HERE, BUT IT REALLY IS TALKING ABOUT JUST OWNERSHIP OF DOGS AND TRYING TO REMEDY REMOVING DOGS FROM HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC. SO SOME OF THE ACTS OR ISSUES THAT MIGHT RESULT IN THIS REVOCATION, IF THERE'S A DOG AT LARGE ON THREE OR MORE OCCASIONS WITHIN A 12 MONTH PERIOD, ANY ACT OF ANIMAL CRUELTY, FALSIFICATION OF INFORMATION IN A LICENSE APPLICATION, UNPROVOKED ATTACK BY A DOG AT LARGE INVOLVING SERIOUS BODILY INJURY. THESE ARE. THESE ARE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF. I THINK, THE MORE COMMON INSTANCES AND ISSUES THAT ARE ENCOUNTERED. AGAIN, WE. WE DO GIVE A SHOT FOR THAT.

SLIDE, SLIDE, SLIDE. WALTER. SLIDE. IS THERE AN ELECTRIC SLIDE? YEAH. THERE YOU GO.

THERE WE GO. THAT'S NOT OKAY. NOPE. SHORT ANSWER. NOPE, I DON'T KNOW. I DID HAVE A

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AND ALSO I THINK FOR THE ALJ, IT HELPS HIM OR HER APPLY, YOU KNOW, THE EXPECTATIONS OF OF THE LAW CONSISTENTLY AND THEN JUST ANY CONSEQUENCES OR RAMIFICATIONS FOR THE REVOCATION OF LICENSE. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE LAWS, WHAT WE'RE JUST HOPING TO KEEP, WHICH IS THAT YOU DON'T POSSESS A DOG FOR A YEAR. THEN, AND THEN ANY DOG THAT WAS IN YOUR POSSESSION IS FORFEITED, WHICH OBVIOUSLY, IF THE DOG IS BEING TREATED CRUELLY, WE WOULDN'T WANT THE DOG TO GO BACK THERE ANYWAYS. IF THERE'S FALSIFICATION OF INFORMATION, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A PERIOD WHERE WE CAN VERIFY THINGS. THE DOG'S BEEN ATTACKING OR RUNNING AT LARGE. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PERSON HAS THE CAPACITY AND CAPABILITIES TO ADEQUATELY CONTROL THEM. SO. IT'S KIND OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THIS ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. WHERE'S MY QUESTIONS PAGE? WALTER, WHAT IS THE COST OF A LICENSE? SO IF ANIMAL SPAYED OR NEUTERED, IT'S $8 OR $10 AND IT'S 35. IF THEY ARE NOT SPAYED NEUTERED. AND THE BENEFIT IS IF YOUR DOG IS LICENSED, THEN ANIMAL CONTROL CAN RETURN YOUR DOG TO YOU. OH. THAT'S I WANT TO ADDRESS THAT IN A SECOND. BUT IF IF THESE DOGS ARE BEING BAD DOGS, THEY'RE NOT LICENSED. I THINK THE DOGS MAY NOT BE BAD PEOPLE. IT MIGHT JUST BE A BAD DOG. GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. OKAY, GOOD PEOPLE CAN HAVE BAD DOGS, I HAVE ONE. IS A LICENSED. THERE'S SOME OTHER.

QUESTION. BUT IF YOU GO TO IF YOU RESPOND TO ONE OF THESE CALLS AND IT'S A BAD DOG THAT'S NOT LICENSED, DO YOU IMPOUND IT THEN LIKE EVERY TIME? NO, NO I'M NOT. SO IF YOU REVOKED A LICENSE, YOU WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY IMPOUND IT EITHER NECESSARILY, OR WOULD YOU? IT WOULD BE A VERY SERIOUS CASE OR REPETITIVE INCIDENTS WHERE THERE WOULD BE A COURT ORDER AND PROCESS TO IMPOUND THAT ANIMAL. SO THIS ISN'T JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DONE ON ITS OWN ON A DAILY BASIS. THE PAPERWORK PROCESS, I THINK, I THINK THIS IS NECESSARY FOR THOSE RARE OCCASIONS WHERE THE DOG IS LICENSED. YOU KNOW, THAT 1% OR 10% OF THE TIME OR LESS, OR WHATEVER IT IS WHERE THE BAD DOG IS LICENSED. I THINK YOU NEED THIS STEP FOR IN ORDER TO DO THAT. I THINK YOU'RE I THINK YOU'RE BIGGER. I THINK WE MIGHT BE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE.

OH, BECAUSE I THINK YOUR BIGGER ISSUE IS, IS THE STANDARDS OR THE TIME SETTING A CLEAR STANDARD WHEN YOU DO IT. SO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ALLOWS US TO FOLLOW THIS PROCEDURE. IF THERE ARE THREE OR MORE VIOLATIONS IN A 12 MONTH PERIOD. SO REALLY THIS IS TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE. THAT'S THE FOCUS HERE TO SAY, LOOK, BEFORE WE HAD SOME PEOPLE IN THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SAY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THREE CONVICTIONS IN ORDER TO PROCEED. BUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF SOMEONE WOULDN'T SHOW UP TO COURT? THEY WOULDN'T HAVE CONVICTIONS. SO BY BYPASSING THE SYSTEM, WE COULDN'T PROCEED. IT'S TRYING TO CLEAN THE LANGUAGE TO SAY IF THE OFFICER

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THAT'S REALLY THE BIG GOAL HERE. SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS WERE ADDED TO HELP IN THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITH PROBLEMATIC SITUATIONS TO HELP NEIGHBORS.

IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE HELPED BY IF YOU HAVE A FIRST VIOLATION? THE DOG IS NOT LICENSED. THAT THAT PART OF THAT FIRST VIOLATION IS YOU HAVE TO LICENSE YOUR DOG NOW SO THAT WE HAVE IT NOW IN THE SYSTEM. YES. WOULD THAT HELP? OH YES. WE I MEAN, WE DO THAT ROUTINELY. OH, OKAY. WE'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS DAILY. YES. OKAY. YOU ALREADY HAVE TO. SO SAYING NOW THAT YOU NOW THAT YOU ALSO HAVE TO KNOW. BUT THAT'S MAYBE THAT'S THAT'S THE KIND OF THING. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE YOU ALREADY HAVE TO. BUT I'M SAYING IF YOU FIND ONE THAT ISN'T. IT'S. WE NOW HAVE A, YOU KNOW, WE NOW KNOW YOU OWN A DOG. YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THIS. GO GET THE DOG LICENSED IMMEDIATELY. YES. AND PART OF IT IS. AND THEN THAT IF THEY DON'T, THAT BECOMES THE SECOND VIOLATION INSTANTLY. CORRECT. EDUCATION. RIGHT. YEAH. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALLY KNOW THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO. SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE. SOCIAL MEDIA WORKS HARD ON THAT. EVERYBODY'S. WELL, SURE HE DOES, BUT HE'S ONLY SEEING THE BAD ACTORS. RIGHT. AND THE DOGS THAT ARE LOOSE, HE'S NOT SEEING THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE I THINK I FORGET. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK JESSICA BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT TOO. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I ASKED HOW MANY DOGS ARE LICENSED AND IT'S LESS THAN 10%, RIGHT? JUST AS A ROUND NUMBER. YEAH, IT'S A ROUND NUMBER. WHEN I RESEARCHED THIS A FEW YEARS AGO, IT WAS 7%, SO I DIDN'T THINK IT HAD CHANGED, BUT. RIGHT. SO MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS INCENTIVIZE AND STREAMLINE THE PROCESS FOR LICENSING DOGS. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP AND GO DOWN TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND PAY THE MONEY AND, YOU KNOW, AND DO ALL THIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND THIS IS I BROUGHT THIS UP DURING BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT FOR A SECOND. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MAKING LICENSING THE DOG FREE? LICENSING. YOUR ANIMALS ARE SPAYED OR NEUTERED, ANIMALS FREE, MAYBE A SLIGHT A LITTLE FEE IF THEY'RE NOT, MAKE IT DOABLE ONLINE AND THEN INCREASE THE FINES FOR THOSE THAT GET IMPOUNDED AND THOSE WHO ARE TAXING THE SYSTEM, THOSE WHO ARE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, FULL DISCLOSURE, MY DOGS AREN'T LICENSED EITHER. NEVER HAVE BEEN. RIGHT? THEY ALSO NEVER GET OUT OF MY HOUSE. AND WHEN THEY DO, THEY SIT ON THE PORCH AND WAIT FOR ME TO LET THEM BACK IN. THEY DON'T COME AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE THIS BIG, AND THEY'VE NEVER BEEN ANYTHING BUT FOOD. SO I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT WORRIED. IF THEY GOT OUT AND GOT AWAY AND GOT RAN OVER BY A CAR, THAT'S ON ME, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. THEY ARE MICROCHIPPED, BUT THERE'S NO INFORMATION ON THE MICROCHIP. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING. I'M A VERY IRRESPONSIBLE DOG OWNER, BUT I'M VERY RESPONSIBLE. DOGS FOR MICROCHIPPING. AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING OFF TOPIC HERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU STARTED IT. YEAH. I'M BLAMING YOU FOR MY ACTIONS.

BRING IT ON. I'D LOVE TO SEE THE MICROCHIP REGISTRATION INCLUDED IN THE LICENSE FEE. SO IT'S ACTUALLY A USEFUL MICROCHIP. IS THAT IS THAT ONE THING KEEP IN MIND IS WE OFFER FREE MICROCHIPS, ALL RESIDENTS. RIGHT. BUT THERE'S NO INFORMATION ON IT UNLESS YOU REGISTER IT, WHICH IS CAN BE COST PROHIBITIVE. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A GRANT THAT COMES THROUGH SALT LAKE COUNTY TO DO MICROCHIPPING FOR FREE, AND THEY'RE REGISTERED CHIP. SO IF YOU DO IT THROUGH THE SHELTER, IT AUTOMATICALLY UPLOADS THE COMPANY. THEY'RE THERE WHETHER THE OWNER DOES ANYTHING OR NOT, IT'S REGISTERED. OH, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY DONE THROUGH THIS THROUGH US. THERE'S NO INFORMATION. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT TRUE. IT'S PROBABLY THE PREVIOUS OWNER'S INFORMATION. AND THAT THAT HAPPENS A LOT. YEAH. SO AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE IS. SO THAT DO WE WANT TO BRING THAT BACK TO A MEETING? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO ASK IS IF THERE'S SUPPORT, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING LICENSING, BE LICENSING, BE FREE, AND THEN CHARGE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IT TO MAKE UP THAT REVENUE. YEAH, I WOULD WANT TO TALK TO OFFICER ABOUT THAT. SO WE WOULD I MEAN, THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO ONLY WE KNEW WHERE HE WAS. IT ISN'T ON OUR ON OUR AGENDA, NOT ON THE AGENDA. I THINK REALLY WE SHOULD JUST BRING UP I THINK IT'S YOU THINK WELL WHAT DOES THE ATTORNEY THINK? DO YOU THINK IT'S GERMANE? WELL, I'D SAY TWO THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, HAPPY TO BRING IT BACK. AND OBVIOUSLY YOU AND I CAN CAN TALK ABOUT THAT MORE AND WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. THE OTHER THING WHILE I'VE GOT YOU IS IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE TO TAKE A TOUR OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY, GO DO IT. IT'S ONE OF THE BEST TOURS IN THE CITY. IT'S FANTASTIC. THE ANIMALS ARE GREAT, THE FACILITIES ARE GREAT, STAFF IS EXCEPTIONAL. YOU SHOULD. YOU'RE HIRING. THEY'RE HIRING SOMEONE GOOD. YEAH, THEY'RE. IT REALLY IS A FANTASTIC SPOT ELIGIBLE TO TO

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YOU'LL. IT'S ABSOLUTELY TIME WELL SPENT, BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO BRING BACK THE LICENSING QUESTIONS. SO ARE THEREFORE IN FAVOR OF BRINGING THEM ON. DO YOU NOT LICENSE YOUR DOGS BECAUSE OF THE COST? BECAUSE YOU'RE. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TAKE. IF IT WAS ONLINE, I'D DO IT. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? IT IS. HOW DO YOU. I MEAN, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO PROVIDE IMMUNIZATION RECORDS, BUT THEN HOW DO YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE PROOF THAT THEY'RE SPAYED OR NEUTERED? I MEAN, YOU GET THAT FROM THE VET, I ASSUME.

I KNOW YOU SEND A PHOTO, BUT I CAN'T BRING BACK THE DISCUSSION. OKAY, OKAY. WELL, THOSE ARE JUST QUESTIONS TO CONSIDER. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. COOL. SO WE'LL DID YOU NEED TO MY POINT WAS YOU TALKED ABOUT SEEMS LIKE COST WAS YOUR ISSUE. LIKE WE SHOULD DO COST FREE PART OF IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE EVEN THOUGH IT COSTS SOMETHING, YOU STILL DID IT ANYWAY. SO NO, I WHAT I'M, WHAT I WAS SAYING WHEN I BROUGHT UP COST, IT WASN'T ABOUT ME. IT'S ABOUT INCENTIVIZING MORE PEOPLE TO DO IT. YEAH. BUT IF IT WAS $0, WOULD YOU HAVE DONE IT IF IT WAS ONLINE? DOES IT SOUND LIKE IT? IF IT WAS ONLINE, I DIDN'T SOUND LIKE IT. BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD MANY YEARS TO LICENSE YOUR DOG. NEVER HAVE IT. IS IT ONLINE? IT'S BEEN ONLINE FOR YEARS. YEAH YOU CAN. IT'S VERY EASY ON THE CITY WEBSITE. I'M JUST SAYING TAKE IT, TAKE IT IT FROM $8 TO ZERO. IT'S NOT GOING TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T DO IT EITHER. I THINK IT WILL, I WOULD, I THINK. JOSH SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT COST $8. ASK MR. BOYCE IF THERE'S ANY MERIT TO PROCEEDING WITH THE REVOCATION PIECE AND THEN COMING BACK WITH JUST THIS. CAN WE ADVANCE THAT THERE ARE PENDING CASES, OR AT LEAST, I MEAN, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW WHERE WE HAVE SERIAL OFFENDERS IN THE CITY AND OUR HANDS ARE TIED IN BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. SO IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSAL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US. YES, YES, YES, YES. AND THEN IF THERE'S INTEREST IN US BRINGING BACK THE FEE ISSUE SEPARATELY.

SEPARATELY. YEAH. THEN SEPARATE THAT AS WELL. COUNCIL MEMBER, ARE YOU OKAY? YEAH. MAYBE JUST BECAUSE I JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE WHOLE HE'S REGISTERING ZACH'S DOGS RIGHT NOW. MAYBE, I MEAN, MAYBE WITH THE WITH THE PROVISIONS THAT ARE IN THE CHAT. ARE YOU GOOD WITH. YES. OKAY. I KNOW I'M HEARING THAT THEY NEED THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO WOULD IT BE ABLE TO BE OCTOBER 27TH AS WELL? YES. I'LL WORK WITH MR. ANDERSON AND STAFF TO GET THE FEES WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THIS. OKAY. ANYWAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. RIGHT. AND GET IT ON TONIGHT. THERE'S NO BUSINESS ITEMS ON. I HAVE ONE MORE. ONE MORE ITEM FOR YOU. I PROMISE TO MAKE IT QUICK. YES, WELL, I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. OKAY. WELL, I PROMISE TO MAKE IT QUICK. YOU CAN TAKE IT MUCH TIME. THANK YOU, OFFICER AND MR. HUDSON, MR. HUDSON WANTS TO. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE YOU LIVE. IS THAT EACH OR AT. OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. I'M LIKE, SORRY, IT LOOKS LIKE. SO IT'S OKAY. YOU PRONOUNCE. DON'T GET OFFENDED BY IT, BUT IT'S ACTUAL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH. WELL, I'M LIKE, I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS

[f. Discussion of Proposed Amendment to Title 4, Chapter 2, Articles N, P, and Q – Secondhand Stores, Numismatic Dealers, and Employment Agencies]

NUMISMATIC. I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. RELATING TO OR CONSISTING OF COINS, PAPER CURRENCY AND METALS. ORIGIN, LATE 18TH CENTURY. FEEL FREE TO GOOGLE THE ROOM NOT TO BE COIN COLLECTORS. COIN COLLECTORS. AS A PERSON WITH NERDY, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IN GENERAL, A LOT OF THESE SPECIAL LICENSING PROVISIONS ORIGINATE BECAUSE WEST JORDAN IS A CITY OF TRAILBLAZERS. WALTER, WHO LEAD THE WAY. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S ALWAYS GOT TO BE SOMEBODY HOT ON OUR HEELS, THOUGH, WALTER. OH, STATE OF UTAH. ALWAYS RIDING OUR COATTAILS. SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THIS. THE CITY STARTED REGULATING THE SECOND HAND STORES, BULLION DEALERS, EMPLOYMENT AGENCIES. AND THEN WHAT DOES THE STATE DO? THEY

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LET'S LET'S RESERVE THEM. LET'S DELETE THEM. LET'S RESERVE THEM. LET'S DEAL WITH THE ISSUES AS THEY COME UP. I THINK FIREWORKS WAS, WAS KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. RIGHT. THE COUNCIL SAW A NEED. IT MADE SENSE TO INCLUDE IT IN HERE, BUT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER ISSUES THAT COME UP IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. RIGHT? VERTIPORT MANUFACTURING TECHNOLOGY, THINGS THAT THAT THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO AGAIN, BE ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF LICENSING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE ON IN THE FUTURE. SO I SAY RESERVE THESE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY TIME RELEVANT. WE DON'T WE CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH WITH THEM ANYWAY BECAUSE THE STATE. AND AGAIN, JUST REDUCING THAT DUPLICATIVE STATE LICENSURE. BUT OKAY, GO TO FOUR, TWO AND SIX GARAGE SALES. IF THIS ISN'T COVERED SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE NEED TO HAVE THIS STILL IN OUR CODE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE AND I'VE HAD CALLS. YES, I WANT TO I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE MR. HUDSON AND I HAD THIS DISCUSSION RECENTLY, THE THE ISSUE, THE ISSUE ON THIS ONE AS IT'S WRITTEN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTENT WAS. I WASN'T HERE. IT'S NOT MINE MAY NOT EVEN BE YOURS.

I DON'T KNOW WHOSE IT WAS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTENT WAS WHEN IT WAS PASSED, BUT THE WAY THAT THE WORDING READS IN THE CODE CURRENTLY IS THAT IT IS TWO YARD SALES A YEAR FOR SECOND HAND STORE DEALERS. IT DOESN'T LIMIT A PRIVATE CITIZEN FROM SELLING THEIR OLD RECORDS IN THEIR DRIVEWAY MORE THAN TWO TIMES A YEAR. SATURDAY. SECOND, EVERY DAY, EVEN TECHNICALLY HAVE TWO A YEAR. ACCORDING TO OUR. SIDEWALK SALES YARD SALES. BUT DO WE? I THOUGHT THAT READING IT AGAIN, I SEE THAT, BUT WE NEED SOMETHING FOR GARAGE SALES. YOU COULD. YOU COULD PUT THAT IN THERE. AND I THINK WHERE IT MIGHT BE USEFUL, I DON'T SEE HIM IN HERE, BUT LARRY GARDNER WOULD LOVE TO PUT THAT IN TITLE 13 UNDER SOME SORT OF ZONING RESTRICTION I THINK. NO TAYLOR, DEFINITELY NOT. DEFINITELY NOT. HE SAYS. I, I THINK I THINK THE AVERAGE RESIDENT CAN FIND IT EASILY AND THAT BROCK'S TEAM CAN UPHOLD IT BECAUSE WE HAVE. RESIDENTS COMPLAIN FREQUENTLY THAT MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR IS HAVING A GARAGE SALE EVERY SATURDAY.

THEY DON'T EVEN PUT THE CRAP BACK IN. WHAT ONE POTENTIAL OPTION WOULD BE TO MAKE IT ITS OWN SPECIAL LICENSING PROVISION. AND INSTEAD OF. INSTEAD OF HAVING SECOND HAND DEALERS AND ANTIQUE AND JUNK DEALERS, WE CAN HAVE IT BE SOMETHING MAYBE THAT WE LUMP IN WITH TEMPORARY VENDORS AS WELL. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT. WE REALLY WANT TO GET INTO HAVING THE LICENSE. NO, BUT SOMEWHERE IN CODE, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT RESTRICTION SO THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT ISN'T. THAT ISN'T THE PURPOSE OF A HOME IS NOT TO HAVE A PERMANENT SALE ON YOUR DRIVEWAY. ONE OF YOU COULD COMBINE IT WITH OUR OUR TRASH PICKUP FEES WITH WITH TRASH PICKUP. THE OTHER, THE OTHER ISSUE, JUST TO KIND OF CONSIDER IS THAT THOSE YARD SALES MAY TAKE PLACE ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY WHEN WE GENERALLY DON'T HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT OUT WANDERING, BUT THAT'S STUFF ON THE DRIVEWAY IS STILL THERE ON MONDAY WHEN BROCK COMES AND GETS THE CALL AND. AND IF IT IF IT IS, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR HIM BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING. OR LEAVE IT ON THE DRIVEWAY MONDAY, THEY'D SAY, I JUST LEFT IT OUT THERE. IT'S NOT. SOMETHING. IS THERE A

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DO WE REALLY NOT NEED THAT OR IS IT IN STATE? LET ME LET ME SAY THIS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT.

WE'RE NOT TOUCHING PAWN BROKERS AND DEALERS. AND SO THERE ARE PAWN REQUIREMENTS AS WELL WITH THINGS. THIS IS JUST WITH OUR SECOND HAND JUNK. BUT I MEAN MAINLY THAT'S GOING TO BE PAWNS ON JUNK. SOME OF THAT STUFF JUNK IS ANOTHER MAN'S JUNK WITH A SERIAL NUMBER. IT'S NOT JUNK.

YEAH. OR IT SHOULD HAVE SOME, SOME VALUE OF SOME SORT. SO I DON'T KNOW CHIEF. OKAY. NOT HAVING IT HERE. YEAH IT IS. IT IS REGULATED FOR PAWN SHOPS, WHICH AS WELL. YOU KNOW THAT THAT STORE THAT I. GOODWILL. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. IF YOU'RE OKAY I'M OKAY. SOMEBODY DROPS OFF. STOLEN GUN USED IN A MURDER HERE. SO THIS IS D I TAKE GUNS ANOTHER WORK SESSION, THEN I WOULD PREFER TO. I WOULD HAVE TO BE A DIFFERENT. SOMEHOW SOMEONE HAS TO BRING THAT UP.

OKAY. IS THERE SOMEONE BESIDES ME THAT IS INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT AVAILABLE FOR BROCK TO HAVE THAT YARD SALES OR NONE OF YOU GOT THE COMPLAINTS? OH NO, I'VE GOT THE COMPLAINTS TOO. SO ARE YOU OKAY TO HAVE IT OVER HERE? I'VE NOT GOT THOSE COMPLAINTS. COMPLAINTS? FOR REALLY THE ENTIRE TIME. YEAH. THERE ARE FOUR OF US AND WE HAVE. OKAY, WE'LL SCHEDULE THAT.

WOULD YOU WOULD YOU LIKE WOULD YOU LIKE N TO COME BACK OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REMOVING N AND CREATE SOMETHING NEW? YES. OKAY. THAT WAY WE CAN. THAT WAY WE CAN PUT IT IN LIKE GOLD ON THE LIST AS LIKE A NEW CREATION, MAYBE A FUN OCCUPATION. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL PUT THESE THREE ON A FUTURE COUNCIL AGENDA FOR ACTION, AND THEN BRING BACK A GARAGE SALE, TYPE SOMETHING FOR A WORK SESSION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY

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